Intelligence community or the country well. Brennan congress than gowdy said they now have concern about the state department, you surfed there until recently, you know what he is talking about . I lock forward to hear hang he is talking about. I will tell you that during the cries in 201415 chris steele had a number of commercial clients who were asking him for reports on what was going on in russia, what was going on in ukraine and between them. Chris had a prepared at the state department and he offered us that reporting free so that we could also benefit from it. It was one of hundred of sources that we were using to try to understand what was going on. Then in the middle of july when he was doing this other work and became concerned brennan the dossier. The dossier, he passed to the four pages of short points of what he was finding and our Immediate Reaction to that was, this is not in our purview. This need to go to the fbi if theres any concern here that one candidate or the election as a whole might be influenced by the russian federation, thats something for the fbi to investigate. That was our reaction when we saw this. Its not we cant evaluate this. Frankly, if every member of the campaign who the russians tried to approach and tried to influence had gone to the fbi as well, might not be in the mess were in today. Brennan when it comes to this memo, senator john mccain said it only vert Vladimir Putins purposes, is he right . Hes absolutely right. Whats most important is that we investigate what happened in the past, but even more importantly that we work together, the house, the Senate Intelligence committees, the executive branch, our technology companies, to deter future russian efforts to influence u. S. Politics and election. We should be working on the strategy that will blunt this, expose it. Some of our European Partners have done better already than we have at this. In the french election, immediately expose had russia was doing to their public to, their medium and that sunshine served as a disinfectant. And blunted the russians ability to influence that election. Thats what we should be doing here and when we fight with each other, when we question our fundamental institution, that is great day for vladimir putin. Just add one point, victoria is absolutely right. We have not deterred putin, one of the consequence is other countries are getting into the business of womenizing social media, the turks are now doing this, theyre trying to influence this is going to spread because we have failed to deter put. Brennan why i asked you should americans be concern of undermining u. S. Institution. Lack of trust now for the fbi. How do you reassure people . These are career Public Servants, you may disagree as trey gowdy says with a particular decision like rosenstein made. But these are thousands of people devoted decades to Public Service to protecting us from this sort of influence. And in multiple legal checks including lets remember, these packages for the fisa surveillance went to independent article iii judges. Not one. This went to the court four times and the judges do ask questions, it is secret because proceedings are classified as mike points out. The judges also ask for additional information, especially in the case where the dossier was foot noted, it would have been drawn to the judges attention. These Public Servants care about getting to the bottom and the facts without fear or favor of politics, oftentimes, legally prohibit from political activity and none of them engage in it. It really is about the facts of the investigation to protect the American People. Brennan from your perspective the fact that carter page has been surveyed going back to 2013, was enough to justify use of this dossier . You can take the dossier, based on what we know, i disagree, they probably had enough to establish probable cause without it. If you were going to include it did did the right thing by caveating it in the footnote even if he disagrees with how details it was. Brennan bigger picture, when you look at the Trump Administration policy on russia, its been harder line in terms of promising weapons to ukraine, perhaps more Nuclear Development in the latest gesture towards countering russias Nuclear Development and breaking some of our treaties, have you been surprised by their policies so far . Are you seeing any deterrence . I think in the first instance our democracy is working with regard to russia, you remember that there were at the beginning of 2017 lots of noise out of the administration about lifting are the ukraine sanction before we got into a negotiation and without any leverage. It was the congress that insisted that they stay in place and be used to try to negotiate the russians out of ukraine which is what they were put on to begin with. Yes, i think its very important that we now have the National Security advisor, the secretary of state, the head of the cia the secretary of defense all saying that russia is a real problem and that we need to contain and deter, thats what the National Security strategy says. But its going to take president ial leadership for us to unite this government and create a real strategy, carrots and sticks to get back on a better path with russia. We ought to be looking at doing that as soon as the Russian Election are over in march. Brennan victoria, thank you very much. Mike, fran, good to talk to you. Well be right back with our political panel. So, that goal youve been saving for, you can do it. We can do this. At fidelity, our online planning tools are clear and straightforward while saving for the things you want to do today. Whoo prep were back. Julie pace is Washington Bureau chief of the associated press. Jamelle bouie chief Political Correspondent for slate. Molly Ball National correspondent and ben domenech founder and publisher of the federal list. Molly, start off with you. Does anyone remember that because it seems like this memo has just dominated everything in washington. It does feel like a lifetime ago. Its been a real shame for president and his supporters because the reviews of the state of the union were quite positive. In fact theres been a lot of good news for the president outside of this investigation. But i think we have seen that the president in particular message discipline is not his strong suit. Being quiet about things for him not to talk about is not his strong suit. It was republicans that made the memo thing. So theyre the ones who put this out there that ended up being really over had doughing everything else. I do think the state of the union was important and it matters that it was generally seen as a good performance by the president. But this herkyjerky news cycle in the last flee years just means that nothing makes lasting impression. Brennan ben, can republicans get the message back . I think in this case there are two different messages going on. One i think country is paying a lot of attention to the Economic News that they have add over the coast of the past couple of months, seen republicans advantage in the election improve compared to what it was in december. Similarly president s Approval Rating picked up in number of different measures thats what the American People were focused on. I view this memo story as inside washington story for the most part. I do want to circle back to your prior panel because you had couple of people on there who are willing to defend the Intelligence Community, hook line and zipper. I think that is actually some of the story that is just beginning in terms of the consequence of this memos release. Youre going to see additional transparency on a number of things, going to see additional leaks on number of fronts. I think that this is only the beginning of back and forth that is going to result in lot of questions being raised about fisa process that has been frankly controversial for quite some time. Brennan just reauthorized. That is going to come up again in terms of questions that people have about that process. And what people knew about what was going on. Fact is that were talking about not the whole of the fbi or Intelligence Community obviously, but ten years ago it was fun to see peter who has been patriot act number one fan raking james comey over the coals and and adam schiff was calling for dramatic increase in transparency on the part of fisa on the opposite side saying the release of this memo was irresponsible. Brennan you see that kind of criticism within Republican Party . I think things have flipped just so many things. They flipped on their head. You see lot of people criticizing fbi who have been defenders, i dont think thats going to stop any time soon. Brennan theres a lot to dig in on that. Weve got news to continue to tune in to. But i wouldnt ask you, julie, we have a deadline again. Are we going to see a government funding shut down februaryth . It doesnt feel like theres an appetite for a shut down this week. That being said, congress can move fast when it wants to particularly slow when they get into these gridlock moments. I think that youre seeing democrats who really look to the last shut down deadline as an opportunity to push forward on immigration to, try to make a deal on daca, recognizing that even though the base is energized by that, strategically they dont have a lot of leverage on capitol hill right now to tie these issues together. Where were going to see them split apart this he can week if possible just get another shortterm spending bill, take this town margin, this is part of the frustration that you hear from americans but also lot of members right now. They cant even do basic things. We could be heading into another shortterm, that is have lot of people frustrate but thats where we are this week. During your interview with congressman gowdy you asked why he was leaving congress. Just as viewer, it feels like a terrible job. For the past year and a half it has been difficult to move forward on anything in congress, been difficult to legislate, difficult to accomplish anything. This is a result of lot of moving factors, but the overall conclusion you have to draw from whats happened in coming guess over the last year or so is that who wouldnt want to be there, who would want to spend years of their life working through the smog. Brennan what does that mean for the dreamers that the president has now said hed be willing to give some sort of protection to in a future immigration deal. My hunch, too, if you go back to administrations immigration policy less about mass deportation, just isnt feasible more about creating fear of deportation for newer and larger groups of undocumented immigrants. Pulling back daca does that, pulling back temporary protection status does that, in the absence of any sort of deal on immigration, my hunch is that the administration will continue forward with this approach. Allowing Daca Recipients to remain in this limbo state where they are. And given that the sort of immigration policy drivers within the Administration Want this, have no problem with, i find it hard to imagine that the president will be that broken up if congress cant tomorrow to a deal. Brennan it is creating tremendous uncertainty to have a march 35th deadline but that about whether that deadline is hard because there have been some court action. You have hundred of thousands of people right now who are in this system who have received these protection who have come forward hundreds of thousands more who chose not to come forward but could if congress acted. Part of the reason that this debate is so fraught because were talking about real peoples lives. Even though it gets tied up in politics, real people who lived here for quite some time who dont know if they will be able to stay. Brennan one thing we have seen on the part of congress, were sanctions on russia the president didnt act on this this week, should we stay tuned . Or are they not coming . Its unclear whether theyre coming or not. There is a lot of pressure on this administration to take some tough action on russia. They have continuously chosen to balk when some of these deadlines have come up. And thats what lead to a lot of the questions around this investigation, when the president often has a chance to look tough on russia, take some tough action, he doesnt. Brennan i wouldnt ask you, molly, about some of the come out of the Vice President s office, he was unusually aggressive, picking a fight with joe man chen, senator that has tried to work with in the past, they need them oop what is he trying to do . I dont know. There was quite a bit of befuddlement why he chose to take that particular shot. Mnanchin will run for reelection to the great relief of the democratic caucus, because he is seen as basically only democrat who stands any kind of chance of keeping the senate seat in west virginia. And pences strategy for the most part as Vice President has been to act president ial. To do the kinds of very message controlled and ceremonial things that the president often doesnt do, and to send the signals of calm and normalality that the empty often doesnt do, it was interesting to see him go out on a limb like this. Normally the Vice President s office is sort of the eye of the storm. Brennan ben, when you come and look at the numbers right now as were saying, they need a few friendly democrats. But short of that theyre seeing lot of republicans right now leave, trey gowdy just the latest to announce that hes departing. What is going on and should democrats actually be heartened by this or what . I think that jamelle is correct when he says that the simplest explanation is that congress isnt a fun place to work these days. Youre seeing number of different factors going on there. Part of it is feeling like we finely gotten into this majority position, finally have the white house, were uncapable of delivering on any of the things that we promise to our constituents. Part of it, too, is just that political upheaval that weve gone through in the past couple of years is challenging a number of figures who dont know how to have gait the new scenarios. Frankly are worried about primary challenges, more populous republicans. One of the more interesting developments this past week was the sort of stories thrown out by those close to Mitch Mcconnell that one reply juan who is coming back it seems, mitt romney, would be potentially candidate to run the nrsc this sets up scenario where mcconnell is being smart by putting him in that position, recognizing that romney is one of the few republicans perhaps the only one who could challenge him for leadership should that sort of situation arise. But its also kind of a story about what were going to see in the coming years, which s a continued amount of tension between this congress and the white house on a number of different fronts because of the differences between the political constituencies that back these different figures. Brennan jamelle, are we getting ahead of ourselves trying to read ahead to what is happening in 201 . I dont think so. Brennan who wants the job you say . Whats clear is that some of the meme who want the job are energized democrats, are women, who are come forward to run in place where democrats have not been running competitively in order to strike a blow against the Trump Administration. I think that story which is developing and ongoing is one reason to be have an eye on this november beyond all the other imagination. If those candidates succeed, a change in the competition of congress and change in the way the energy and Democratic Party is coming from. Brennan thanks to all of you. Helping us to handicap what is ahead well be back in a moment. Prep joke us now is steve coll staff writer at the new yorker and deep of the club graduate school of journalism. The cia and america secret wars in afghanistan and pakistan. What with. Covert action arm of pakistani intelligence, main Service Called interservice intelligence, rhode island cia worked with them during the 19 0s to smuggle guns and money to the afghan rebels who were fighting in the soviet occupation. After 2001 as we tried to restore constitutional democracy to afghanistan, isi fostered the revival of the taliban ended up creating the mess that were in now. Brennan theres a rope you picked that theme for the rest of the book. Whats happening right now youve seen some terrible terrorist attacks over the mast two weeks in afghanistan. What is driving the violence right now . Its been a rough couple of years, there are groups based in pakistan that have continually carried out mass casualty attacks inca bull in order to unsettle the government. The Trump Administration has changed policy toward pakistan, us suspended aid, some speculation that maybe terrible attacks are retaliation for that, a symboling prep is that real . Its possible. Isi has record of carrying out mass casualty attacks in order to send a signal about where the war is going and their interest. Also possible that these are just terrorist attacks of the type weve been seeing too often. Brennan now the president tweeted that he was going to be doing something about the aid you just mentioned, they sent 900,000 million, pakistan has given us nothing but lies and deceit. Does he have clear eyes than past president s who have been more careful in their language. I can understand the frustration about pakistans conduct. They have been a partner over the last ten years has carried out arrest of important al qaeda leaders, even while suckering the talibans revival, its a complicated picture. In the history of imposing sanctions to try to change conduct not very happy one, doesnt stepped to work and reaction to the latest pressure has just been another kind of response of deep nationalism and defines of the united states. Problem is our leverage in pakistan not what it used to be. May never have been enough to change where their interests lie in afghanistan but right now, park stans most important ally by far is china, china has had pakistans back through many episodes of this type of war. Brennan perhaps can offset whatever the u. S. May be pulling back. And then some, yeah. Brennan president s bush, obama now trump have all wanted to draw down then realize they needed to recommit to this war in afghanistan. I was just there in december with the Vice President said were going to stay until the last terrorist. Is this a forever war . Its looking like it. We keep doing the same things and expecting different results. Our war aims to muddle since the fall of the call ban we havent been able to align our resource and capabilities with the goals that were trying to achieve. And so we, for example, we often say of the general, is that lead the war, we cant find a military solution against the taliban i think it was David Petraeus who said you cant capture and kill your way out of industrial strength insurgency. Brennan the president said, too early to talk. We keep prioritizing military action even as we acknowledge that its not likely to end the war. I do fear that the latest turn in policy is really not much of a departure from what the Bush Administration and Obama Administration struggled with. Brennan is it over simplifying to compare this to vietnam . Not really. That ken burns documentary came out in fall after spending five to ten years on this would be, it was sad. So much repetition of the pattern in vietnam fighting for honor and failing to let the facts guide where the war is really going. Of course theyre very different countries, very different times in history and American People have supported this war more than they did in vietnam. So thats allowed governments one after another to continue it. From are parallels. Brennan steve coll thank you very much. Well worth a read. Thank you for coming. We will be right back [ click, keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ click, keyboard clacking ] good questions lead to good answers. Our advisors can help you find both. Talk to one today and see why were bullish on the future. Yours. Dr. Stanley remember this cannot change the laws of god. When he has visited you in some form of adversity and he brings you through that, thats like he has increased the strength of the foundation of your life and your faith in him. [music] brennan thats it for us today. Thanks for watching face the nation. Im margaret brennan. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org [announcer] the following is a sponsored presentation for the yancey way to real estate success free lunch and dinner events. 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