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Hes been arrested and attacked, but hes still attracting crowds of russians all over the country. Why are you still alive . Navalny this is the favorite question of my wife. Stahl is it, in your mind, worth your life . Navalny i think im ready to sacrifice everything. Year of the hunger games. Cooper Donald Sutherland has been descried as one of the greatest actors never to have been nominated for an oscar. Sutherland always with the negative waves. Cooper hes been in more than 150 movies and tv shows, but still agonizes over each character he plays, and is still plagued by selfconsciousness about how he looks. Sutherland its not easy, anderson. Its not easy to know that youre an ugly man, in a business like im in. Im steve kroft. Im lesley stahl. Im scott pelley. Im anderson cooper. Im bill whitaker. Those stories tonight on 60 minutes. Its a lot easier to make decisions when you know what comes next. 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Brown has been governor of california twice. The first time, 40 years ago. He criticizes the president on taxes. California is suing the Trump Administration over health care, immigration, and air quality. But nothing raises more righteous passion in jerry brown than the issue of Climate Change. He castigates the president for denying the science and aggravating a problem Governor Brown says is causing california to burn. This is the most destructive fire season on record in california. Governor jerry brown declared a state of emergency this past week as raging wildfires, whipped by fierce santa ana winds and fueled by bonedry brush, laid waste to tens of thousands of acres in Southern California. The smoke plume that shrouded the Los Angeles Area could be seen from space. The fires that ravaged californias famed wine country in october were the deadliest the state has ever seen. Whole neighborhoods were incinerated. Dozens of people were killed. Jerry brown the fire season used to be a few months in the summer. Now its almost yearlong. These fires are unprecedented. Weve never seen anything like it. Scientists are telling us, this is the kind of stuff thats going to happe and weve got to deal with it. Whitaker its going to happen, he says, based on science that predicts extreme swings in weather patterns. This year, Southern California experienced record heat in october and november, creating the perfect conditions for this. Jerry brown nature is not a political game. Nature is the ground on which we stand, its the air which we breathe. And the truth of the case is that theres too much carbon being emitted, that heat trapping gasses are building up, the planet is warming and all hell is breaking loose. Whitaker President Trump has famously called Climate Change a hoax. When he pulled out of the paris climate accord, he said this wasnt a good deal for the united states. Jerry brown thats a preposterous idea, not even a shred of truth in that statement. So id say to mr. Trump, take a deeper look. Now is not the time to undo what every country in the world is committed to. Whitaker are you fearful . Jerry brown oh, yeah, you should. Anyone who isnt is not not looking at the facts. I dont think President Trump has a fear of the lord. The fear of the wrath of god, which leads one to more humility. And this is such a reckless disregard for the truth and for the existential consequences that can be unleashed. Whitaker if he sounds like a jesuit seminarian, its because he was one, years ago. Now, hes a climate missionary, traveling the world, preaching the gospel of renewable energy. At the vatican; in china, where president xi jinping discussed collaborating with california on cutting greenhouse gases. Brown went to the Global Climate summit in bonn, germany last month. He and former new york mayor, michael bloomberg, led a delegation of mayors and legislators representing 40 of the u. S. Economy. While the official u. S. Delegation, sent by the white house, showed up to promote coal, brown went to tell the world President Trump doesnt speak for all americans. Jerry brown california is not waiting for trump. Were not waiting for all the deniers. Whitaker hes already weaning california off fossil fuels. To give us a glimpse of the future, brown took us to this 62acre solar farm near sacramento on the site of a decommissioned Nuclear Power plant. You said that you want to have 50 of californias electricity generated by renewable sources by jerry brown by 2030. Whitaker 2030. And you wtaker think youre going to beat that . Jerry brown yes, no question about it. Whitaker with the federal government standing down on climate action, california is blazing its own trail. What can you, the governor of one state in the united states, do to fill in the void . Jerry brown as governor of california, we have a cap and trade system, which is a very efficient way to reducing greenhouse gases. We have zero Emission Vehicle mandate. We have efficiency standards for our buildings, for our appliances. So california is showing that dealing with climate is good for the economy, not bad. Whitaker california is booming. Under brown, it has grown from the 9th largest economy in the world, to the 6th. Its now bigger than france, with a Budget Surplus of more than 7 billion. When you first came into office this time, california faced more than 50 billion in debt and deficits. There were headlines that california was going to be the first failed state. Jerry brown the fact is we cut the budget, we raised taxes and the economy roared back. Whitaker you cut the budget. You raised taxes. These days, that sounds like a prescription for political suicide . Jerry brown youve got to pay some taxes. You have to invest. We need to invest in the technology of tomorrow or somebody else will. And that somebody is china, india and other countries. Youre not going to poormouth yourself to the future. And roads cost money, thats called taxes. R. D. Cost money, colleges cost money schools, childcare, all of that. Were a rich country and we can handle it. Whitaker but californias economic success has come at a cost. Housing prices are through the roof. So are the ranks of the homeless. A quarter of the countrys homeless live in california. Jerry brown this is not paradise. We have lots of problems. But california is the engine of america, and i like to remind my fellow citizens, when you kind of look askance at this state, youre looking at one of the not the only one, but a major contributor to the wellbeing of the whole country. Whitaker california is vital to the national economy. Thats why brown is so angered by the new tax overhaul legislation being pushed by house and senate republicans. They call it a tax cut, but brown says by eliminating deductions for state and local taxes, it would actually increase the tax burden on high tax blue states like california. He and other blue state governors say the bill is retaliation against trumps opponents. Brown called it evil and divisive. Do you think the republicans are intentionally trying to punish the blue states that didnt vote for President Trump . Jerry brown i know this the republicans have this cult. Just like they believe theres no climate problem, they believe that cutting corporate taxes without any money to pay for it, they think its magic. Itll make everything wonderful. Very irresponsible. Very dangerous. Whitaker but California Republicans say browns tax hikes are irresponsible. In trumps america, jerry browns california seems far out on the frontier. California doesnt look like the rest of the country. Minorities now are the majority of the population. It doesnt act like the rest of the country. The state voted to legalize Recreational Marijuana starting in january, will soon offer a third gender choice on drivers licenses. Hillary clinton trounced President Trump here by more than four million votes. It seems that california is way out of step with the rest of the country. Jerry brown but id say were more in tune with the future than many parts of the rest of the country. Whitaker you think the country is going to look more like california in the future . Jerry brown i think it will. I was asking myself, why did democrats in ohio and wisconsin and michigan, pennsylvania, whyd they vote for trump . Not a lot of them did, but enough to give him those states electoral votes. Whitaker and your answer . Jerry brown theres more confidence here; theres less fear. People are looking to the future. Theyre not scared, theyre not going inward, theyre not scapegoating, theyre not blaming mexican immigrants. Theyre not blaming the stranger. Just the opposite. Its is a place thats alive. Its dynamic. Its a culture thats on the move. Not pulling up the draw bridge out of fear and and economic insecurity. Whitaker jerry brown is californias 39th and oldest governor. When he first held the office in 1975, he had a full head of hair. His father, pat brown, had been governor eight years before. When you look at all the staid portraits of his predecessors in the capitol rotunda, its obvious jerry brown is not like the others. Not many politicians spent four years in the seminary, as brown did in the 1950s. Or dated a rock star. He went out with Linda Rondstadt in the 70s. Jerry brown ive seen a lot of different things. Ive worked with mother theresa. Ive spent six months doing zen meditation in kamakura, japan, and ive run for president three times. Ive done very incompatible things. Whitaker people who like you will say that thats evidence of intellectual flexibility. People who dont like you, say that thats evidence of your being flighty. Jerry brown well, im not going to thats that psychobabble. Whitaker whatever you call it, his farout politics his first time in office earned him the moniker, governor moonbeam. We found him to be down to earth. Hes california casual at the office. His dog colusa has the run of the place. Are you better at being governor this time . Jerry brown yeah, its a different experience. 79 is not 36. Different ball game in every way. So i would say i know more, i understand more. Whitaker what have you learned about yourself in those intervening years . Jerry brown theres something you lose with age, your physical prowess, but mental acuity and just, Life Experience is very important. So, i enjoy the job a lot more. Whitaker its hard to see why. His liberal policies make him a punching bag for conservatives, and hes not universally loved by liberals. Hes a political maverick. Hes rolling back state union pensions. He refuses to curb Oil Production until theres a viable alternative. A majority of californians like what hes doing, but hes been doing this for almost 50 years, and he says its time to hang up his political spurs. When he leaves office in january 2019, he swears hes going to leave elective politics behind. I think youre going to miss this. Jerry brown no, i wont. Whitaker you dont think so . Jerry brown next year, ill be 80, okay . And what do i want to do with my life . Thats thats my question. Whitaker what do you want to do . Jerry brown well, i want to spend time with my wife. Whitaker a goitalone bachelor nearly all of his adult life, jerry brown now has a partner to share his life anne gust brown, a former executive at the gap. They married in 2005. Their plan is to retire here, to this ranch, in a Golden Valley north of sacramento. Theyre building their dream ranch house with solar panels, of course. Its off the grid, and way off the beaten path. The governor, and colusa, showed us around. This is beautiful, governor. This is pretty steep. Jerry brown oh, you havent seen nothing yet. Whitaker he told us hes going out at his peak, stepping away from the fray, on land his great grandfather settled in the 1860s. He said he intends to be a modest rancher. Hes going to unplug and unwind. Do you think this man sitting next to you is going to be content puttering around jerry brown wouldnt whitaker the ranch . Jerry brown it puttering. I dont putter. Anne gust brown he sure doesnt putter. No. Whitaker running as he said, running a modest ranch. Anne gust brown we both wonder about it. Because weve been running a hundred miles an hour, and now were going to be in a place thats almost the opposite of that, and well see. Jerry brown yeah, were out on the frontier, as ere. Whitaker and youre going to like that . Jerry brown well, i like being on the frontier. Thats for sure. Type 2 diabetes. Here to test peoples knowledge about so you have type 2 diabetes . Yes i do. True or false. 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Because, unexpectedly, Vladimir Putin has a genuine challenger a handsome, 41yearold lawyer, alexei navalny, who has chosen one of the most dangerous occupations in the world, running against the man who controls the kremlin. The election process in russia is tightly managed by the government, but navalnys been drawing big crowds to his protests and rallies all over the country, where he laces into putin with no holds barred. Alexei navalny translated putin is a thief and the head of the entire corrupt system stahl this is one brave man. Not only because he has taken on the allpowerful Vladimir Putin head on, but because hes been holding rallies many of them without official permits, which has had its consequences one arrest after another. Navalny during my campaign, i spent every fifth day in the jail. So now im kind of, you know, used to it. Its became a routine of my life. Stahl you got out of prison just a couple of days ago. Navalny right. Stahl you held a rally right away. Youre goading them. Youre begging them to arrest you again. Navalny these are people who are trying to steal my country. And im strongly disagree with it. Im not going to be you know, a kind of speechless person right now. Im not going to keep silent. Stahl youre not allowed to run. Navalny im not allowed to run. And they put enormous pressure on our headquarters and on our volunteers. My chief of campaign get out of jail just yesterday. So all these facts show us that hes really afraid. Not of me, but this people who are standing behind me. We have now 170,000 volunteers. Stahl mr. Putin remains highly popular. Its all but a foregone conclusion that hell be reelected. And yet, the kremlin is doing everything it can to make it difficult for navalny to gain traction. For instance, the government says he cant be on the ballot because he was found guilty of embezzlement, in what navalny insists was a trumpedup charge. And hes barred from national television. But hes managed to get around that by reaching an ever widening audience on social Media Channels and youtube, where he has millions of followers and says hes raised almost 4 million from ordinary russians. What do you think the Biggest Issue is for most people here in russia . Navalny poverty. And inequality, huge in russia, even compared to the united states, the european country. No opportunities at all, no future for the people. Putin is stealing their future. And mr. Putin puts his relatives, his closest friends, his colleagues from the k. G. B. The chiefs of these companies. And thats why theyre controlling the whole economy. Stahl navalny began his public life ten years ago in a shrewd way he bought small shares of stateowned companies. As a shareholder, he was able to get his hands on internal financial documents, investigated evidence of misconduct, and posted it all on a blog. Did these documents that you got prove corruption . Navalny absolutely. I work as a whistle blower. And im not afraid to announce the names. Stahl he says he found that the kremlins inner circle was accumulating vast amounts of wealth and published pictures of multiple homes and yachts. He moved on to airing documentaries on youtube, with video of the officials lavish lifestyle. How did you get the footage . Navalny we have our air force. Were just using drones. Stahl you sent drones up . Navalny yes. We do a lot of work with the drones because, for us, its best way to show this way of life. When you publish this footage of the yachts, of these palaces, of this real estate, and you you can show documents look, this guy have a relatively modest salary but look at this house. Stahl his most watched documentary, with over 25 million views, focused on Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and his estates navalny says, all five of them. The video enflamed so much outrage that, in march, tens of thousands of russians took to the streets. When navalny called for a second round of protests three months later, he was arrested before he even left his apartment building. But his supporters came out in droves all across the country and, like navalny, close to 1,700 were arrested. These were the first protests of this magnitude in russia in six years. Back then, in 2011, roughly 60,000 went to the streets in a burst of antiputin dissent. Thats when navalny debuted in moscow as an opposition leader. Navalny as we were watching, in the united states, i think there was the impression that Public Opinion was going to force change here. It looked that way on television. But that is not what happened. Navalny mr. Putin realized that hes its not affordable for his system to give people more democracy. Thats why in the 2012 he completely change his strategy and start to arrest people, start to fabricate criminal cases. Look, and the start of the 2011, i was a respectful lawyer. At the end of 2012, i was several times convict. Stahl but now hes seen as the last man standing, since most of the other opposition leaders either fled the country or were found dead under mysterious circumstances. Why are you still alive . Navalny this is the favorite question of my wife. I dont know. Maybe they missed the good timing for it when i was less famous . Stahl do you feel that your visibility, with so many people knowing who you are, that thats protecting you . Navalny actually, im trying not to thinking about it a lot. Because if you start to think what kind of risks i have, you cannot do anything. Stahl navalnys platform includes more spending on education and health, restoring a free press, and taxing the oligarchs. In the west, hes assumed to be a russian liberal, but there was a time when he marched with nationalists, some of them fascists something hes tried to downplay lately. You have attended nationalist, what we would call rightwing rallies, i believe, in support of ethnic purity russian ethnic purity. Have you supported that . Navalny of course not. I was part of these rallies, because i support the freedom of rallies, because i support freedom for meetings. Stahl theyre supporters of yours. Theyre part of your following. Navalny a lot of them support me. And they recognize me as a leader. Stahl when he was growing up, he came from a committed communist family in a small town, south of moscow. What was your childhood like . Navalny im 41 years old. It means that actually im a guy from the soviet union. I was a young pioneer. I had my red tie. My father was military and i was very proud that my father is guarding mother russia from evil americans with their bombs and missiles. Actually, my biggest memory that im as a child standing in line, standing in line maybe sometimes for hours, to just buy milk. Stahl he was close to his brother, oleg, seven years younger. So it was painful for him when, three years ago, the government to get him to stop his activism, he believes convicted him and oleg of embezzlement, a ruling the European Court of human rights called arbitrary and unfair. To make matters worse, he got a suspended sentence, but oleg is still behind bars. Navalny hes still in prison. And he spent two years in the solitary confinement, which is actually, in russian condition, is torturing. Stahl do you think hes in jail to get you to get you to stop . Navalny yes, absolutely. Stahl but he hasnt stopped, even though hes been physically attacked. While campaigning in siberia, he was splashed in the face with green dye. Navalny it was painful. But i could stahl it hurt . Navalny it hurt. Stahl but, he handled it with humor, saying he was shrek. His followers dyed their own faces green and posted photos to instagram and twitter in solidarity. Then he was splashed again. Navalny the second time it was much more painful. Stahl there was acid, as i understand it. Navalny my doctor in the hospital said, well, alexei, you should be prepared that you will be blind for one eye. And so i even start to think about, kind of, you know, i will be such, kind of pirate with stahl with a patch. Navalny with a patch. Stahl the kremlin did allow him to travel to spain for specialized surgery. But immediately after the treatment, he returned to moscow, and went right out campaigning again. But lately hes been concentrating on rural areas, holding rallies far from the big cities, in places like siberia and the urals. Navalny im travelling every weekend to spend friday, saturday, and sunday in the regions, to have these rallies. Stahl on our last day there, we went with him to the midsized, Industrial City of ivanovo, four hours outside moscow starting with a train ride. Mr. Putin never ever mentions your name. May criticize you, but never your name. What do you make of that . Navalny i have no idea why they dont. Maybe its a kind of something superstitious for them. Like, you know, you cannot name the animal bear, because if you name it in the night, it will come and eat you or Something Like this. They have a lot of nicknames and euphemisms for me. Like, this gentleman, or this guy, this convict, and this stahl this convict . Navalny this convict. But they are thinking about me. And believe me, they are afraid of me afraid of us. So its that is much more important for us than mentioning my name. Stahl it was snowing and dark out when we got to a wooded lot on the edge of town, where a big crowd of mostly Young Russians was waiting. No one thinks he has much of a chance of beating putin in the election, but still, putin fears him, navalny says, because of his ability to draw crowds at rallies and into the streets. He perseveres, knowing what hes doing is dangerous. His supporters have been roughed up by police and prokremlin activists who navalny calls thugs. 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Hes appeared in more than 150 films and tv shows mash, klute, ordinary people, the hunger games, just to name a few. You may recognize his name. Youve definitely seen his face. But you probably dont know much about Donald Sutherland, the man. At 82, hes still one of the hardestworking actors around. Hes still agonizing over each character he plays, and still plagued by selfconsciousness about how he looks. Hes never forgotten what happened after his very first film audition more than 50 years ago, when the writer, director, and producer of the movie he tried out for called him on the phone. Donald sutherland the writer said, you did such a terrific job. And the producer said, we thought you were really wonderful, and we all wanted to call you together, to explain to you why we werent casting you. And he said, no, no, no. I mean, we have to the reason why were not casting you is because weve always thought of this fellow as a kind of a guy next door sort of guy. And to be absolutely truthful, we dont think you look like you ever lived next door to anybody. laughs no. But its the story of my life, you know. Cooper thats the story of your life . Sutherland yeah. Jane fonda who is it . Cooper Donald Sutherland may not look like the guy next door. Sutherland im an investigator; id like to ask you some questions. Cooper . But that hasnt stopped him from carving out one of the longestlasting and most unconventional careers in the film business. Hes played leading men. Sutherland i guess the whole of lifes nothing but an accident, is it . What happens to you. Cooper and all manner of misfits. Sutherland yelling . Cooper hes turned up in army field hospitals. Sutherland scratch my nose, there. A little harder, please. Cooper english country estates. Sutherland i could not have parted with you, my lizzy, to anyone less worthy. Cooper and the toniest corners of upper manhattan. Sutherland money this is the 75th year of the hunger games. Cooper hes had a particular soft spot for bad guys. Sutherland did your mother make these . Cooper and over the years, hes played a lot of them. Sutherland dont lie you promised. Cooper a lot of the roles you take on though are not always sympathetic. Sutherland theyre not sympathetic to you. But theyre sympathetic to me. Cooper they are . Sutherland yeah. Sometimes they dont feel very good about what theyve done. Cooper even if its a pyromaniac in backdraft . laughs your eyes light up like a pyromaniac, right now. Sutherland im sorry, but i mean, he was so excited, you know . Got the whole place going like hell. My hair was on fire, my hands. Everything. I was dead. Cooper to prepare for these roles, he spends months immersing himself in the script, poring over the parts as he conjures the characters to life. You try to find something in the role, that sutherland i dont find it. It finds me. I mean, i will read it, and suddenly, it starts churning around inside me. And then, it gets violent. And then, it gets loving. And the the the its its an extraordinary thing. It gets more and more and more exciting. Its delicious. Its laughs but, it is. It is. Cooper when we first met sutherland, he was shooting a scene in italy for an upcoming fx series called trust about oil magnate j. Paul getty. When hes filming, sutherland says he needs, more than anything else, an intimate, creative relationship with his director. He describes his experience working with the legendary italian director Federico Fellini as a love affair. Cooper why do you see it in romantic terms . Sutherland because it is. Cooper theres that intimacy . Sutherland yeah. And sometimes its rejected. And sometimes its accepted and embraced. Cooper and when the film is done, the affair is over . Sutherland its gone. Cooper do you have a cigarette after . Sutherland laughs no, but you have regret. Cooper if theres a slight sadness about sutherland, it may be because his childhood in canada wasnt easy. He survived polio as a toddler and spent all of fourth grade at home with rheumatic fever. He was an awkward kid. Tall, with big ears. At school they called him dumbo. When he was 16, he had a question for his mother. Sutherland and i went to her and i said, mother, am i good looking . And my mother looked at me and went. Your face has character, donald. And i went and hid in my room for at least a day. Cooper did what she say stayed with you . Sutherland not really. Just just for 65, 66 years. laughter its not easy, anderson. Its not easy to know that youre an an ugly man, in the business like im in. Cooper do you think of yourself as an ugly man . Sutherland unattractive is a gentler way of putting it. Cooper his insecurities didnt stop him from acting in plays in college. In the early 1960s, he started picking up work in television and bmovies, like castle of the living dead. Youd be forgiven if youve never heard of it. Thats sutherland playing the part of a soldier and a witch in the same scene. Sutherland you all right . Cooper the early years were a struggle. Sutherland had twins, including his son kiefer, then three more children with his wife of 45 years, the actress francine racette. His big break came in the dirty dozen, and it happened entirely by chance. Sutherland only had a bit part, until one of the lead actors told the films director, bob aldrich, he didnt want to appear in this scene. Sutherland and bob aldrich looked at him, like that. Then, he went, you with the big ears, you do it. laughs i dont think he knew my name. But i, you know, it changed my life. Where are you from, son . Soldier madison city, missouri, sir sutherland never heard of it. Cooper hollywood producers saw star power in that brief role. He was offered a lead in mash, then played a hippy tank commander in kellys heroes, earning a place in hollywood as an oddball icon of the early 70s counterculture. Sutherland there you go, more negative waves. Have a little faith, baby cooper as his career took off, something happened that sutherland still doesnt quite believe. The guy who grew up thinking he was ugly, became a sex symbol. Sutherland now tell me about frank ligourin. Cooper in 1971, he played the enigmatic private detective in the hit klute, alongside his thengirlfriend, jane fonda. Sutherland would you mind not doing that, please . Cooper fonda won an oscar for her performance. Sutherland wasnt nominated. We were surprised to learn, sutherlands never watched klute all the way through, and he says he rarely sees any of the movies he stars in. His main interest, he says, is his performance. How the film ends up being put together is out of his hands. One of the nice things about the job im doing is i have a fair amount of control over the finished product. Sutherland you do . Cooper yeah, and thats not something, as an actor, you have much control over. Sutherland excuse me. You used the wrong word. You used the word much. The operative word is any. Cooper you have no control over it . Sutherland none. None, except in performance. Cooper that may be a polite way of saying, if the film is a clunker, dont blame sutherland. One critic about a Television Show you were in said, the question is not just what a class actor like sutherland is doing in trash like this, but whether sutherland is actually in a different show entirely. Sutherland what was the show . Cooper dirty, sexy money. Sutherland oh, excuse me. Thats not trash. That was a really, really good show. Oh, im offended. Its such an extravagant accusation to make. Cooper is that something you ended up watching . Sutherland huh . Cooper did you watch it . Sutherland ah, no. laughs but but cooper what do you mean, you didnt you didnt see it . Sutherland no. Cooper so how do you know it was good . Sutherland because i was in it. I dont mean it was good because i was in it. I mean, i because because doing it, you knew it was good. And you knew from the response of people on the street. Cooper we were speaking with sutherland at his Lakeside Estate in southern quebec, where he steals time between film shoots. In an old pumphouse by the water. Sutherland i had vertigo, and im climbing that goddamn thing. Cooper . We set up a makeshift Screening Room to watch some of his most iconic performances. It quickly became clear to us that, decades after hes finished a film, the character hes created stays with him. In this scene from the 1973 thriller dont look now, his character discovers his daughters body in a pond. Sutherland oh, this is going to be a hard day for me. Cooper so even now, the character comes back to you. The characters still there . Sutherland yeah. Yeah. Its interesting, i i never thought of that. They must all have their little niche somewhere in my in my person or in my soul or something, yeah. Yeah. Cooper sutherland insists hes never given much thought to the trajectory of his own career, or viewed it as a climb to stardom. Cooper a lot of actors, they want to take on roles where theyre sutherland because theyre vertically organized. Cooper what does that mean . Sutherland its actors who say, okay, ive done this. Is a correct character to play to do this, to do this, to do this. Cooper to kind of a career ladder. Sutherland yeah. Cooper ive done a dramatic role. Now, im going to do a comedic role, this or a romantic lead. Sutherland yeah. And mine is, like, a great, big wooden platter of fruits and pasta and Chicken Salad and a soup and a banana, you know. Its a whole bunch of different things. You might not like everything on the thing, but you can go and grab something and peel it and eat it and like it. Cooper that may explain in part why sutherland has never gotten an oscar nomination. That, and his style of acting, which is subtle and restrained, never showy. The 1980 film ordinary people, won best picture, best director and an oscar for the screenplay. Sutherland because i dont know if i love you anymore. And i dont know what im going to do without that. Mary tyler moore come on, give me the camera. Timothy hutton dad, give her the camera. Sutherland i want a really good picture of the two of you, okay . Cooper Mary Tyler Moore was nominated for an oscar for her role in ordinary people. Sutherland not until i get a picture. Cooper Timothy Hutton won one. Hutton give her the goddamn camera Cooper Sutherland was ignored. Now, at a stage in life when peers half his age are slowing down, sutherland seems to be speeding up. After shooting one week in italy, we met him again on a soundstage in los angeles where he was filming scenes for an upcoming Science Fiction movie. Next month, he has a new film coming out, the leisure seeker. Sutherland let me make you a cup of coffee. Cooper . In which he plays an aging professor alongside helen mirren, who embarks on a road trip as he grapples with old age and dementia. Helen mirren john, whats happening . Sutherland where are we . He may be the nicest man ive ever played. Who was losing his mind. And totally and utterly in love with his wife. Cooper its very bittersweet about, things slipping away, about love and aging and did did it resonate . Sutherland what do you think, anderson . laughs just look at me. Sure, you know, all of it. Every bit of it. Are we there yet . Mirren almost. Cooper we wont know until january if Donald Sutherland will get an oscar nomination for the leisure seeker, but last month, he finally got that little golden statue which has eluded him so long. A Lifetime Achievement award, presented to him by his hunger games costar Jennifer Lawrence in a special ceremony in hollywood. His family, almost all of whom are in the film business, was there to cheer him on. Sutherland i finally found peace in the words of the great benjamin kubelsky, who is also known as jack benny, when he said, as i say to you now i dont deserve this, but i have arthritis and i dont deserve that either. laughter thank you. Donald southerland said he viewed this interview with an utter sense of failure. I dont view this as a failure. I view me as a failure in it. Go to 60minutesovertime. Com, sponsored by prevnar 13. You may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumoniacc1 that can take you out of the game for weeks, even if youre healthy. 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