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Thats a brutal fact we have to face. Rose the republican establishment . Bannon the republican establishment is trying rose wants to nullify the 2016 election . Bannon trying to nullify the 2016 election, absolutely. Rose who . Bannon i think Mitch Mcconnell, and to a degree, paul ryan. They do not want Donald Trumps populist, economic nationalist agenda to be implemented. Its very obvious. Its obvious as its obvious as the its obvious as night follows day, is what theyre trying to do rose give me a story that illustrates that. Bannon oh, Mitch Mcconnell, when we first met him, i mean, he was he was he he said, i think in one of the first meetings in trump tower with the president as were wrapping up, he basically says, i dont want to hear any more of this drain the swamp talk. He says, i cant i cant hire any smart people, because everybodys all over him for reporting requirements and and the pay, et cetera, and the scrutiny. You know, you got to back off that. The drain the swamp thing was is Mitch Mcconnell was, day one, did not want to did not want to go there. Wanted us to back off. Rose you are attacking on many fronts, people who you need to help you, to get things done. Bannon theyre not going to help you unless theyre put on notice. Theyre going to be held accountable if they do not support the president of the United States. Right now, theres no accountability. They have totally they do not support the president s program. Its an open secret on capitol hill. Everybody in this city knows it. Rose and so therefore, now that youre out of the white house, youre going to war with them . Bannon absolutely. Rose have you cleaned the swamp . Bannon well, first off okay, the swamp is 50 years in the making. Lets talk about the swamp. The swamp is a business model. Its a successful business model. Its a donorconsultant, k. Street lobbyistpolitician seven of the nine biggest ca most wealthiest counties in america ring washington, d. C. Rose what are you talking about when you talk about the swamp . Youre talking aboutthe lobbyists and the people bannon the permanent political class, as represented by both parties. Youre not going to youre not going to drain that in eight months. Youre not going to drain it in two terms. This is going to take ten, 15, 20 years of relentlessly going after it. Rose so you win the election. You go through a transition. Lot of people thought might join the cabinet, didnt rudy, newt, christie. Bannon in the 48 hours after we won, theres a fundamental decision that was made. You might call it the original sin of the administration. We embraced the establishment. I mean, we totally embraced the establishment. I think in President Trumps mind, or president elect trumps mind, in in jareds mind, in the familys mind, i actually agreed with the decision. Because you had to staff a government. And and, and to be brutally frank, you know, the the the campaign look, id never been on a campaign in my entire life, right . You know, im im a former investment banker whos a media guy, running a little website. We were our whole campaign was a little bit, the island of misfit toys. So he looks around and im wearing my combat jacket, i havent shaved, i got you know, my hairs down to here, and he says hes hes thinking. Hey, ive got to put together a government. Ive got to really staff up something. I need to embrace the establishment. Rose i need to govern. Bannon i need to govern. Rose lets go down the list of the things that donald trump wanted. He wanted to do away with obamacare. Repeal and replace. It didnt happen. Bannon the very first meetings we had with the republican establishment, here was the plan that was laid out. The plan was to do obamacare because, remember, paul ryan and these guys come in and said, weve done this for seven years. Weve voted on this 50 times. We understand this issue better than anybody. We know how to repeal and we know how to replace, and this is ours. Thats what were going to start with, day one, and we will have something on your desk by easter. By the easter break, well do repeal and replace. Come back from easter, and all the way up to the august break, taxes. Come back from the summer break, on labor day, and we drive home to the end of the year on infrastructure. We accomplish all three big legislative goals in the first year. They would take reporter this is what the leadership in the house and senate told you . Bannon and we agreed to. That was the deal. Rose so youre now blaming them for all of this . Bannon im not blaming this im not blaming them for all this. What im what im saying is that, when left to even repeal it in june in the senate, they put it up for a vote, they only had 41 votes. There is wide discrepancy in the Republican Party, as we know today, now that were in it. But i will tell you, leadership didnt know it at the time. They didnt know it till the very end. And let me tell you about obamacare. There is something thats being worked on right now to fix obamacare. And that came up rose to fix obamacare . Bannon it does totally re rose to fix obamacare . Bannon it does not hang on. It does not rose well, hang on bannon actually, it does not totally repeal obamacare rose have we come to that, where the choice is simply to fix obamacare . Bannon i think their choice is going to be, youre not going to be able to totally repeal it. Rose and you accept no responsibility for the failures of this administration . Bannon when you say failures, its eight months in, give me a failure. Obama didnt have obamacare for the first 18 months. Youre holding him to an unfair standard. Rose we interviewed steve bannon wednesday at his home in washington, which doubles as the headquarters of breitbart news. The interview was a day after the Trump Administration announced it would end daca, the program that provides Legal Protections for undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. President trump Gave Congress six months to sort it out, but bannon believes the program should be abolished. Bannon im worried about losing the house now because of this of because of daca. And my fear is that with this six months down range, if we have another huge if this goes all the way down to its logical conclusion, in february and march, it will be a civil war inside the Republican Party that will be every bit as vitriolic as 2013. And to me, doing that in the springboard of primary season for 2018 is extremely unwise. Rose president made the wrong decision . Bannon i think that the rose the president made the wrong decision . Bannon i i think rose you wanted him to bannon i think rose go full bore. Bannon i think what we have to do is focus on the american citizens. I think we have to focus on american citizens rose so what would you do to people who came here bannon i think that rose as children bannon you saw the memo rose it it bannon you saw the memo. Rose but just tell me what you would do, thats all im asking bannon with the work permits as the work permits run out, they self deport. Rose they self deport . Bannon yes. I am absolutely bannon theres no path to citizenship, no path to a green card and no amnesty. Amnesty is nonnegotiable. Rose america was, in the eyes of so many people, and its what people respect america for, it is people have been able to come here, find a place, contribute to the economy. Thats what immigration has been in america. And you seem to want to turn it around and stop it. Bannon you couldnt be more dead wrong. America was built on her citizens. Rose were all immigrants. Bannon america was built on her rose except the native americans bannon dont dont g dont dont rose who were here. Bannon dont dont give me this is the thing of the leftists. Charlie, thats beneath you. Americas built on our sys on our citizens. Look at the 19th century. What built americas called the american system, from hamilton to polk to henry clay to lincoln to the roosevelts. A system of protection of our manufacturing, Financial System that lends to manufacturers, okay, and the control of our borders. Economic nationalism is what this country was built on. The american system, right . We go back to that. We look after our own. We look after our citizens, we look after our manufacturing base, and guess what . This countrys going to be greater, more united, more powerful than its ever been. And its not this is not astrophysics, okay . And by the way, thats every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference. As long as youre a citizen of our country, as long as youre an american citizen, youre part of this populous economic nationalist movement. Rose can i remind you, a good catholic, that Cardinal Dolan is opposed to whats happened with daca. Cardinal dolan. Bannon the Catholic Church has been terrible about this. Rose okay. Bannon the bishops have been terrible about this. By the way, you know why . You know why . Because unable to really to come to grips with the problems in the church, they need illegal aliens, they need illegal aliens to fill the churches. Its obvious, on the face of it. Thats what the entire catholic bishops condemning. They have they have an economic interest. They have an economic interest in unlimited immigration, unlimited illegal immigration. And as much as rose boy, thats a tough thing to say about your church. Bannon as much as i respect Cardinal Dolan and the bishops on doctrine, this is not doctrine. This is not doctrine at all. I totally respect the pope and i totally respect the catholic bishops and cardinals on doctrine. This is not about doctrine. This is about the sovereignty of a nation. And in that regard, theyre just another guy with an opinion. Rose so how do you want to be perceived, you today . Because you have a media image. Bannon the media image, i think is pretty accurate. Im a street fighter. Thats what i am. Rose youre more than that. Bannon no, i think im a street fighter. And by the way, i think thats why donald trump and i get along so well. Donald trumps a fighter. Great counter puncher. Great counter puncher. Hes a fighter. Im going to be his wing man outside for the entire time, to protect. Rose you will not be attacking donald trump . Bannon no, our our purpose is to support donald trump. By the way rose and destroy his enemies . Bannon to make sure his enemies know that theres no free shot on goal. By the way, after the charlottesville situation, thats what i told general kelly, i was the only guy that came out and tried to defend him. I was the only guy that said, hes talking about something, taking it up to a higher level. Where does it all go . Where does this end . Does it end does it end in taking down the Washington Monument . Does it end in taking down rose i tell you where many people suggest it should have gone. It should have gone, in terms of denouncing specifically from the very beginning, neonazis and White Supremacists and people of that political view. And it should have gone there because those were people that americans in world war ii went to fight against and should have instantly have denounced them. And you didnt, at first instinct. In fact, you seemed to be doubling down in terms of a moral equivalency. Bannon what he was trying to say is that people that support the monument staying there peacefully and people that oppose that, thats the normal course of first amendment. When hes talking about the neo nazis and neoconfederates and the klan, who, by the way, are absolutely awful theres no room in american politics for that. Theres no room in American Society for that. My problem my problem, and i told general kelly this, when you side with a man, you side with him. I was proud to come out and try to defend President Trump in the media that day. Rose and no exceptions in terms of siding with someone . Bannon you can tell him, hey, maybe you can do it a better way. But if youre going to break, then resign. If youre going to break with him, resign. The stuff that was leaked out that week by certain members of the white house, i thought was unacceptable. If you find it unacceptable, you should resign. Rose so who are you talking about . Bannon im talking about obviously, about gary cohn and some other people. That if you dont like what hes doing and you dont agree with it, you have an obligation to resign. Rose gary cohn should have resigned . Bannon absolutely. Rose were you upset about it . Bannon i was of the opinion that you should condemn both the racist and the neonazis because theyre getting a free ride on rose you said to me bannon hang on, theyre getting off, a free ride off donald trump. Theyre getting a free ride. Because its a small group, its a vicious group. They add no value. And all they do is show up in the and the Mainstream Media and the leftwing media makes them up as some huge part of Donald Trumps coalition. Rose david duke bannon david duke shows up for every Media Opportunity because you guys put the c the cameras rose but you did say no no, well, but the media bannon charlie, charlie rose the media does not make david duke say what he says. They applauded what the president did. Thats what david duke did. Bannon david duke the president has condemned david duke and what david duke stands for. Rose everybody listening to you talks about one of the great issues in American Life today, which is the plight of the middle class. But they also believe that there is, on your part and the president s part, not enough appreciation for some of the values also that made america great. And you dont appreciate that. You dont appreciate the diversity, you dont appreciate the respect for civil rights bannon i was raised in in a desegregated neighborhood. It it the north side of richmond is predominantly black, okay . I went to i went to an integrated school, a catholic school. I served in the military. I dont need to be i dont need to be lecturedby a bunch of by a bunch of limousine liberals, okay, from the Upper East Side of new york and from the hamptons, okay, about any of this. My lived experience is that. Rose new yorks Cardinal Timothy dolan, citing both hebrew scripture and the new testament, called Steve Bannons criticism of the churchs support for immigrants preposterous, and so ridiculous that it doesnt merit a comment. 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Im from all nations. I would look at forms now and wonder what do i mark . Because im everything. And i marked other. Discover the story only your dna can tell. Order your kit now at ancestrydna. Com. Rose Steve Bannons strategy, during his time as c. E. O. Of the trump campaign, helped turn conventional politics on its head. But before the Administration Even began, President Trumps upset victory faced investigations into whether it was won under a shadow of russian interference in the 2016 election. Bannon theres nothing to the russia investigation. Its a waste of time. Rose what do you believe . You know what the National Security institution believes. What do you believe . Bannon what do you mean, what they believe . We we dont, really. I mean, that there may have been i i think look, i was there rose no, no, no, you were you bannon its a total and complete farce. Russian collusion is a farce. Rose okay, i didnt say collusion. Did the russians try to influence the election . Bannon if you consider maybe something they did that at the d. N. C. Who who rose maybe something they did bannon maybe someone that did rose thats not what the c. I. A. Believes. Thats not what the f. B. I. Believes bannon maybe maybe what they have you seen have you seen the intelligence reports . Rose no. Bannon okay, fine. So you dont know rose have you seen intelligence reports bannon i have seen the intelligence reports rose and are you saying to me those intelligence reports do not suggest that the russians tried to influence the election . Bannon i dont i would never devolve classified information on this show. But let me tell you, i think its far from conclusive that the russians had any impact on this election. Rose well, thats not the question. Did they try to influence the American Election . Thats what the investigation is about. Bannon well have to wait till the investigation is finished. Rose why does the president find it so hard to criticize russia . Bannon charlie, let this is what stuns me. I dont think the president goes out of his way what his point is, why pick another fight . Weve got enough problems around the world. Rose so dont criticize the russians because we dont need another fight . Bannon he criticizes the russians all the time. He knows the russians are not good guys. We should be focused on how we bring the cold war to an end, so we dont have to and i think it was president obamas program, 1 trillion to upgrade the nuclear arsenal. Is that what you want to do . Is that where you want to spend your money . Would you rather spend 1 trillion in cleveland, in baltimore, in the inner cities of this country where we need to spend it, in the heartland of this nation . And i think what hes trying to say, in a world of anarchy, do you need another enemy . Rose i dont know of a higher priority for you than going to economic war with china. Bannon donald trump, for 30 years, has singled out china as the biggest single problem we have on the world stage. The elites in this country have got us in a situation, were at, not economic war with china, china is at economic war with us. Rose you want a trade war with china . Bannon i want china to stop appropriating our technology. China is, through forced Technology Transfer and through stealing our technology, but really forced Technology Transfer, is cutting out the beating heart of american innovation. Rose we asked steve bannon how he responds to criticisms of President Trump on National Security, that have been made by members of his own party. Bannon on the campaign, what did the Mainstream Media say all the time about donald trump and National Security . Hes a madman. Hes crazy. The republican establishment came out, all the bush guys came out in the all those ads, okay . Hes irresponsible. He should not be allowed around the nuclear trigger. In going after the establishment, just like in National Security, hes done it in a prudent method. Hes rose its not just those guys. Its the former National Director of intelligence bannon absolutely. Rose James Clapper bannon exactly. Rose said he might not be trusted. Bannon this is once again where the narrative is dead wrong. And by the way, the head all the stuff in the wall street journal, the sign advertisements, from all the geniuses in the Bush Administration that got us here. The geniuses in the Bush Administration that let china in the w. T. O. And genius in the Bush Administration told us, hey, theyre going to be a liberal democracy. Theyre going to be freemarket capitalism, okay . The same geniuses that got us into iraq, thats the geniuses of the Bush Administration. I hold these people in contempt, total and complete contempt. I dont want to hear it. I dont want to hear it. Theyre theyre theyre its its it it gets all over me like like nothing else. And you know why . Theyre idiots, and theyve gotten us in this situation, and they question a good man like donald trump. Rose who are we talking about . Bannon i wont name names. Rose well, you have to name names because, i mean, youre painting with a broad brush and thats not fair. Bannon you know, the condi rice, the george w. Bush, his entire National Security apparatus. Rose brent scowcroft, colin powell bannon yes. Rose condi rice . Bannon absolutely. All of them. Rose dick cheney . Bannon all of it. All of it. By the way, the obama crowd, almost the same. Clinton crowd, almost the same. Its three administrations. Rose President Trump made steve bannon c. E. O. Of his Campaign Just three months before election day. The campaigns biggest crisis was an october surprise, when a 2005 video surfaced of mr. Trump using vulgar language to describe his encounters with women. He made those remarks to tv host billy bush. The trump family and senior advisers held emergency weekend meetings. Those meetings included new Jersey Governor Chris Christie and Republican Party chairman reince priebus. Bannon and trump went around the room and asked people the percentages he thought of still winning and what the recommendation. And reince started off, and reince said, you have you have two choices. You either drop out right now, or you lose by the biggest landslide in american political history. And trump, with his humor goes, thats a great way thats a great way to start our start our conversation. We went around the room. And you could tell i could tell from the incoming of politicians and i could tell from some of the politicians that were there, is that the Natural Inclination of politicians are are are to be so overwhelmingly stunned and shocked by how the media comes on you. But trump wasnt that. And i told him as he went around, i was the last guy to speak, and i said, its 100 . You have 100 probability of winning. Rose but you seem to have done that at every point in the campaign. When he was in trouble, asking him to double down on his rhetoric, double down in terms of appealing to his base. Bannon appealing to the American People and to the working class people in this country, absolutely. You know why . Because e. C. It was a winner. Thats why i told him, double down, every time. And on that day, thats the first time and only time he ever got upset with me. He goes, come on, its not 100 . I go, its absolutely 100 . And i told him why. They dont care. They dont care about rose but they do care about respect for women. And its not just locker room talk. Bannon they do, but thats just locker room talk. Rose did you lose confidence of anybody because they came to you at that point and said, look, he ought to get out of the race, other than Reince Preibus . Did your attitude toward those people who said that youre just wrong . Bannon the billy bush saturday to me is a litmus test. Its a litmus test. And i said it the other day to general kelly during the charlottesville thing, afterwards. Its a line i remember from the movie the wild bunch. William holden uses it right before that huge gunfight at the end. When you side with a man, you side with him, okay . The good and the bad. You can criticize him behind, but when you side with him, you have to side with him. And thats what billy bush weekend showed me. Rose boy, you took names on billy bush sunday, didnt you . Bannon i did. I got to i got to you know, im irish. Ive got to get my black book, and i got them. Thatll believe christie, because of billy bush weekend and was was not looked at for a cabinet position. Rose he wasnt there for you on billy bush weekend so therefore he doesnt get a cabinet position . Bannon i told him, the plane leaves at 11 00 in the morning. If youre on the plane, youre on the team. Didnt make the plane. Rose in all the conversations about you, theres this saturday night live image. Yes, of course, mr. President , i will go sit at my desk. Rose it basically shows you as some svengali. Bannon actually, the grim reaper. Rose the grim reaper. Bannon i dont need the affirmation of the Mainstream Media. I dont care what they say. They can call me an antisemite. They can call me racist. They call me nativist. You can call me anything you want, okay . As long as were driving this agenda for the working men and women of this country, im happy. Rose to be this strong a defender, why arent you there . Why, and would the president of the United States, who you applaud so loudly, have allowed you to leave if he didnt want you out . Bannon no, its the exact opposite. I i was the i was a st look, im not cut out to be a staffer. Rose no, but you bannon and the whi and the whi and the white house and the whi no, no rose your title was not staffer. Bannon i was rose your title was chief strategist. Bannon you are a staffer. I was a federal government employee. There are certain things you cant do. I cannot take the fight to who we have to take the fight to, when im an advisor to the president as a federal government employee. You cant do it. Rose you know that this White House Leaks like nobodys ever seen a white house leak. And thats where the reporters are getting the story. And theyre getting the story about conflict between you and h. R. Mcmaster. Theyre getting stories about conflict between you and jared kushner, and you and ivanka trump. Theyre getting all these stories because people in the white house, including you, are leaking. You know that. And you have in fact said, no administration in history has been so divided among itself about the direction about where it should go. So i want to know from you, whats the divide . Bannon the divide is, first off, President Trump and the way President Trump has always run his organizations. He will always take diverging views, i think thats healthy. Because i think for an idea, a darwinian environment for idea is positive. Now, the one thing i disagree with is that i think there has been a divide in this administration from the beginning. Its quite obvious. Theres one group of people that, on the campaign, that said, all you have to do is do what you said you were going to do in these major areas. Lets punch out one thing after the other. Youre going to keep your coalition together, and were going to add to it over time as youre successful. Theres another group that has said, lets compromise, and lets try to reach out to democrats, and lets try to work on things that we can do together. Rose did general kelly say to you, youve got to go . Bannon absolutely not. What general i went to general kelly on august 7th saying, my oneyear anniversarys coming up. And in fact, when i went to him on the 7th and said, hey, im im going to put in my letter of resignation, and im going to be out of here on the 14th. Itll be one year to the date. Rose but by that time, and you know this, you were isolated inside the white house. Bannon thats not absolutely not true. I still i was still i had the same influence on the president i had on day one. Rose this is the First Television interview youve done. Bannon yes. Ever. Rose what i have received from you in this conversation is, donald trump you believe is a historic figure. You believe that donald trump i mean, you has been without criticism, and i dont believe youre the kind of person that doesnt give him bannon its not rose the same kind of criticism. Bannon its not without criticism. I think if theres one criticism or one observation, is that the president , in coming here, right, has still thought at least in the beginning of his administration that its about personalities, and, if i can change this personality, or, if i can get this guy on my side, i can do that. And its not what the institutional logic is. I think some of that was with the f. B. I. And others in the state department and how his Foreign Policy is playing out. But i believe youre going to see, over time, hes going to have a greater appreciation that this is a city of institutions, and you must engage them as institutions, not just as personalities. Rose does that mean hell be more president ial . Bannon i think by the way, i think when you say president ial, i think hes very president ial. Rose okay. Bannon okay okay, i think hes very president ial. This is one of the things he uses okay, he uses twitter and not they used to call me, oh, youre the youre the enabler of the twitter. I think what he does on twitter is extraordinary. He disintermediates the media. He goes above their head and talks directly to the American People. Rose its not a question of going over the head of the american of over the head of the media. Its what he says. Bannon its what he says. No, its what he says that the Mainstream Media, the pearl clutching Mainstream Media. The pearlclutching Mainstream Media. What they deem is not correct, what they deem is not right. Rose no, its not a question bannon if you ask rose about right or not right. Bannon what you deem rose its not a question of appropriateness. Its bannon its what you deem is rose its a question of whether its in his interest. Thats the point. Not the appropriateness of it. Bannon okay, i dont think he needs the washington post, and the new york times, and cbs news. And i dont believe he thinks that theyre looking out whats in his best interest, okay . Hes not going to believe that, i dont believe that, and you dont believe that, okay . This is another just standard in judgment that you rain upon him in the effort to destroy donald trump. He knows hes speaking directly to the people who put him in office, when he uses twitter. And it sometimes is not in the custom and tradition of what the Opposition Party deems is appropriate. Youre youre absolutely correct, its not. And hes not going to stop. And by the way, general kelly, i have the most tremendous respect for and has put in very tight processes. Hes not going to be able to control it either, because its donald trump. Its donald trump talking directly to the American People. And to Say Something else, youre going to get some good there. And every now and again, youre going to get some less good, okay . But youre just going to have to live with it. Thats a winner. Steve bannon is not done. You got they worked up. I know. He has lots more to say at 60minutesovertime. Com. Andre is an air traffic controller. When it comes to planning the best routes, nobody does it better. Hes also a championshipwinning football coach. Look at that formation. But when it comes to mortgages, hes less confident. Fortunately for andre, theres Rocket Mortgage by quicken loans. Its simple, so he can understand the details and be sure hes getting the right mortgage. Apply simply. Understand fully. Mortgage confidently. 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Scientists and naval personnel, learning to tough it out in the harshness of this still ice covered frontier. We discovered just how harsh, on a trip to the arctic. The arctic ocean sits on top of the globe, encircled by russia, which encompasses about half of its coastline; norway; greenland; canada; and the United States, thanks to alaska. We flew, as guests of the navy, from prudhoe bay, alaska, 200 miles in the direction of the north pole, over fractured, thinning ice, to a spot where the ice was still thick enough to support this base camp. It was a small temporary village, disrupting the peace and purity of the ice, white as far as the eye can see. The camp was built for a scientific and military exercise, called icex 2016. Hi, everyone. How do you do . Nice to meet you. Dewalt welcome, welcome. Stahl for five weeks, this no mans land of ice was home to an Expeditionary Team of sailors, scientists and engineers, Whose Mission was to understand how to survive in maybe the most hostile conditions on earth. The navy says those taking part in this exercise are the first humans ever to set foot on this part of the planet. Its actually beautiful beyond belief, isnt it . Chuck mcguire it really is. Stahl Chuck Mcguire was one of the first to arrive. Hes an engineer with the university of washingtons applied physics lab, that was brought in to build this camp from scratch. So you get off the plane. Theres nothing. Mcguire yeah. Stahl theres no shelter, theres no indoors. Mcguire no. Stahl there was just ice . Mcguire ice everywhere. Thats right. Stahl and you say, how am i going to survive . Mcguire you pick up a hammer and start building. Stahl they built a makeshift city called sargo for roughly 60 people, consisting of a command post, tight living quarters, a mess hall stocked with food airlifted in weekly, and some very primitive toilet facilities. Mcguire that outhouse is really cold. laughter stahl that outhouse is awful oh, my god what about water . You cant just eat the ice, right . Mcguire you can if you know what youre looking for. Stahl this ice mining team knows what to look for old sea ice thats been baking in the sun long enough that the salt has leached out. Ice mining team, ice mining team. We are returning back to camp. Stahl they bring back chunks to melt down into the camps only drinking water. Mcguire all the things that you take for granted in normal civilization, right, shelter, food, the ease of going to the bathroom, right . That is all different out here. laughs stahl what qualities do you think it takes to stay here and survive out here for weeks . Mcguire i think maybe you have to be a little off, initially. And really understand that everything outside that door is trying to kill you here. Stahl theres a Daily Briefing in the command post, to coordinate the various researchers who are studying and trying to understand this part of the world as they plan for a more sustained presence here. Theyre analyzing, among other things commander scott parker the ice floes moved about nine miles to the west northwest today. Stahl how Climate Change is affecting the way the ice here drifts and migrates. It feels like youre on land. You get the sense that youre on land its very firm, you know. A plane could land. But were moving, which is kind of astonishing. Luers i think every day, its interesting to wake up and recognize youre eight or nine miles from where you were the day before. It looks the same, but its pretty interesting to try and figure that out. Stahl the ice moves that much every day, in unpredictable directions, because of the currents underwater and the wind above. Forecaster down here, were 23 degrees celsius. Stahl also unpredictable is the weather. We met a team of meteorologists using balloons to help with forecasting, which is key for any military operation. Parker so, these balloons measure your temperature, your dew point, the wind speed. Stahl commander scott parker, a meteorologist with the navys Atlantic Submarine force, says theres virtually no weather Data Collected up here. In other parts of the world, meterologists rely on satellites for forecasting, but up here near the north pole, satellite coverage is minimal. How cold does it get up here . Because its right now, i dont parker it is freezing, right . Stahl people can see, its terribly parker the lowest weve had is is 26 degrees below fahrenheit, and todays actually our warmest day stahl come on . Parker and right now, its 6 degrees below. Stahl and with this wind chill factor . Because the wind is really blowing. Parker it is. And its terrible. Its about 25 degrees below zero with the wind chill. Stahl and youre telling me this is the warmest day youve had . Parker this is the warmest day weve had so far. Stahl do you want to go inside . Parker i do. Lets go. Stahl the temperature can drop to as low as 50 below, and that can wreak havoc on just about everything, including these navy divers who were here to test their latest cold weather gear, and their endurance, in the frigid water. These robotics engineers are conducting underwater experiments in a temperature controlled tent. When we were there, doug horner and his team were fieldtesting these underwater drones for the first time in the arctic. Doug horner when we first put it in, we check the ballast. Stahl the drones are collecting Scientific Data about the arctic, where the water gets warmer the deeper you go. Theyre also getting a picture of what it looks like, down below. Horner my primary emphasis here is the ability to map the underice. So we have sensors, sonar specifically, which is sound, which is focused upwards. And what we hope to do with continually putting sound upwards is to make a map. Stahl youre mapping the bottom of the ice . Horner yes, the underneath portion of the ice. Stahl uhhuh. And why is that important . Horner i want to be able to navigate relative to that. So this is the idea of being able to navigate an underwater robot accurately without g. P. S. , because in the ice you dont have the opportunity to come up to the surface for a g. P. S. Fix. Stahl he says these drones could also be used to patrol the waters of the arctic, looking for enemy subs, for instance, the way drones hover in the sky over a battlefield. The navy is testing this technology, and amassing all of this research, to prepare for an expanded presence in the arctic, as the ice continues to melt. The russians are already there in force. In 2015, they staged a military exercise in the arctic as seen in this Russian Ministry of defense footage. It involved about 40,000 troops, 15 submarines, 41 warships and multiple aircraft. No one disputes their right to do that on their own territory. Its just that it wasnt announced. Philip breedlove we pre announce ours. No one is surprised by them. Whereas the exercise that russia did was a snap exercise, which is a bit destabilizing. Stahl until last year, retired fourstar general Philip Breedlove was the supreme allied commander of nato, with responsibility for the arctic. What else is destabilizing, he says, is russias military buildup along something called the northern sea route, skirting the Russian Arctic coastline. The route could become an alternative to the suez canal, saving huge amounts of time and money for the commercial shipping industry. Breedlove i have heard as much as 28 days decrease in some of the transit, from the Northern European markets to the asian markets. That is an incredible economic opportunity. And it could be a very boon big boon to business around the world. Stahl what would it mean if the russians did gain control over the northern sea route . Breedlove if the russians had the ability to militarily hold that at ransom, that is a big lever over the world economy. Stahl so tell us in a nutshell whats happening. Breedlove along that route, what we see is russia upgrading over 50 airfields and ports, 14 of them to be done this year; increasing the number of ground troops; putting in surfaceto air missiles; putting in sensors that could be used to guide weapons, that could be used to deny access. Stahl in 2007, russia went so far as to plant its flag on the sea floor under the north pole. Breedlove i think its important to understand what the deputy Prime Minister said, that the arctic is a part of russia, that that they will provide the defense for the arctic and that they will make money in the arctic. And that the western world may, therefore, bring sanctions on them, but thats okay, because tanks dont need visas. I think it sends a pretty clear message. Stahl the u. S. Has not tried to match the russian buildup, the navy relying on its fleet of nuclear and attack submarines, the most powerful in the world. When we were there, the navy was conducting a submarine warfare exercise, something it does in the arctic every two years. When a sub surfaces in the arctic, they use shovels to carve a visual landmark in the ice that the sub can see. X literally marks the spot. But that x is a moving target, because of the drifting ice. Luers there we go. Stahl which makes maneuvering a windowless steel cylinder the size of a football field to such a pinpoint location seem impossible. But on this day, the skipper and his crew, punching up through thick ice, nailed it on their first try. It took a few minutes for the sail, the shark fin on top, to completely emerge. Luers there they are. Stahl when they popped the hatch, a special guest climbed out the secretary of the navy, ray mabus, whod been on board for five days, taking part in the naval exercise. What does it mean that the secretary of the navy has come up to the arctic . Is there a special significance to you being here . Ray mabus our responsibilities are increasing as the arctic ice melts, as the Climate Changes. And so the navy has got to be here, weve got to provide that presence and i hope that my presence emphasizes what we do. Stahl as he flew off to alaska, we climbed down the ladder into the fastattack, nuclearpowered u. S. S. Hampton. You feel claustrophobic . Theron davis oh no. Not at all. You get used to it. Stahl commander of the hampton, theron davis, took us to the control room as the crew prepared to submerge. Davis stationary dive the ship. Stationary dive the ship, aye, sir. Dive. Stationary dive the ship. Make your depth onefivezero feet. Stahl what he and his crew of 20somethings are practicing is something subs only do in the arctic. horn sounding diving down through new ice that had formed around the sub. Were listing. Im tilting this way. Once they get to a cruising level, they practice hide and seek with another sub. In some of the exercises, they also testfire blank torpedoes. Davis so, im going to show you a torpedo tube. Stahl one of their challenges is ice keels, huge chunks of ice that jut down from the surface, and confuse sonar guided torpedoes that cant distinguish them from enemy submarines. Davis so what were working on is saying, hey, how can we fix that . Stahl we returned to the surface. Davis were coming up right now. Onetwotwo feet. Stahl one american sub, in a region with a growing Russian Military presence. During our last day at the camp, something dramatic happened. A crack in the ice along the perimeter became a giant lake. New fissures formed right through the heart of the camp, up to the doorstep of the command post. Everything was packed up quickly for an emergency evacuation, a reminder that the most formidable adversary here may not be russian forces, but the forces of nature. Since our story was first broadcast, russia has continued to expand its military presence in the arctic, unveiling its newest base in the region. The sprawling complex can house 150 troops for up to 18 months. Four more bases like it are planned. This cbs sports update is breakthrough the you by ford division. Im james brown. Defense was the theme for bullet and jacksonville today. The ravens handed the bengals their first home shutout since 01. 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