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One ukrainian received the aid and two, there was no investigation into the bidens. There defense is they released the aid, yes, after he got caught. Where does the impeachment go from here . House Committee Chairman democrat adam schiff and republican senator roger wicker of mississippi. Plus the infamous steele dossier. Steele dossier. Christopher steelee. Ill talk to the men that hired steele about the dossier and fallout. I have more people supporting me in the black community that have announced for me because they know me. How sturd just joe bidens africanamerican support . Joining me for analysis are nbc correspondent nealkatyar. m eliana johie]z and michael eric dysone. t george town professo. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. From nbc news in washington. The longest running show inr  television history, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. Dee all the evidence they need. 12 witness in two weeksa a picture of the president and his]ie Administration Allies working behind the scenes against the nations interests to benefit the president g politically. We heard President Trump pressured zelensky to investigate his political enemies. Ukraine officials began to ask questions where the aid was as early as that july phone call that President Trump doesnt give a quote blank about ukraine, only about the bk9h investigations. Most impof,di1n we heard from n insider who flipped that there was yes a quid pro officials were following President Trumps orders and that the top echelon of the Trump Administration was all in the loop. Its a political one, with few signs, republicans fought back nearly, arguing the testimony was fiercely inferred or unreliable and the witnesses were more discredited than damming. Democrats fist face an uncompromising calendar, do they face accusations theyre more interests in dm5q q feels business or do they rest their case and risk loo losing the chance to hear from possible key witnesses, like mike pompeo, 0n Nick Mulvaney and make pence who might change public opinion. s er words, after all we have absorbed these last two weeks, what now . The president has used his office for his own personal gain. For two weeks a dozen current and former official versus laid out a clear case testifying that President Trump used the promise of a white house meeting and a freeze on hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid to pressure ukraines new president to announce an investigation into a 2020 opponent joe biden and bidens son. Running the shadow Foreign Policy through the president s personal attorney Rudy Guiliani. Mr. Guiliani demanded that ukraine make a Public Statement announcing the investigations. Mr. Guiliani was expressing the desires of the president of the United States. President trump making that quid pro quo explicit in a july 25th phone call with ukraines president zelensky. I was concerned by the call. It is improper for the president of the United States demand a foreperson government investigate a foreign citizen and political opponent. That same day. The Ukrainian Embassy stap staff askedj9cc what is going o with Ukrainian Security assistance. A day later, the president was on the phone with u. S. Ambassador to the eu gordon sondland. You heard President Trump ask ambassador sondland is he going to do the investigation . Yes, sir. What was ambassador sondlands response . He said, oh yeah, hes going to do it. Hell do anything you ask. He was being involved in a domestic political errand and we were being involved in National Security Foreign Policy and those two things had judy verged. Mr. Trump also pressed zelensky to look into a Conspiracy Theory shifting blame for 2016 election interference under yosu÷ukraine a Disinformation Campaign that russia had person rated for years. You know the fbis never got an yxsserver. Thats a big part of that thing. Why did they give it to the ukrainians . Are you sure it went to the ukrainians . Thats what they say it is. Now House Democrats are moving forward on an impeachment 0 i lc been reserveing out to republicans ahead of a senate trial. n plaik makers for hundreds at the white house. A few weeks republicans appeared divide about whether to target hunter biden. Ive tried to resisto the senate into aasc÷circus. I dont want to go after joe and hunter biden because people are mad trump is not getting a fair deal in the house. Now they are asking for documents and more. The Vice President s son was serving on a board that was run by the dirtiest guy in the ukraine. I am disappointed. Quite frankly, im angered by the fact. He knows me, he knows my son. He knows there is nothing to this. Joining me is the the housemao intelligence comme congressman adam chicago welcome you said you can continue to investigate while also compiling your report. Up, how what does that look like and is that more for show or is there a do you have some evidence of more investigation is going to happeg next weey wm certainly not for show. Theres more work to be done. But at the same time weve already accumulated quite overwhelming evidence that the president once again sought foreign interference in an election conditioned official  to do. You have one now, leave n lev parnas, he was withiu Rudy Guiliani ono a finance scheme being now. He says he has some things to talk to congress about. Are you going to hear from a;f c c nwell, we have already suspended him for documents6 .  were in discussions with the Southern District of new york. We are pursuing it. ; . nhn at the same time, wed like to know what the document versus to say beforey about witnesses. This is why weve suspend pompeo for documents and others for documents as we saw during the hearings that we had. Those documents have been awfully important toff1id knowie right questions to ask. You got some documents, a foya request by an outside group ended up getting some that raise more questions, that tie guilianiing phone calls between rouge rouge and the secretary of state and confirm and youve gotten those articles that guiliani was spreading around from the state departments ig. So theres more document more evidence. c you have all these open lead. It just seems odd that youre strong. Look at all these open leads, the energy deal. Its important to know were not stopping. Its important to know this, chuck, youd acknowledge this i find thisahz remarkable. The evidence is already overwhelming. The everyday is already overwhelming. But you are not in a courtroom. You know that. You have a political bar you have to meet. Thats true. The fact that republicans may be derelict in their responsibility doesnt relieve us of our obligation to do our constitutional duty and we feel an urgency about that so even as we compile this report we submit everyday to the judiciary committee, we will contv but we are not going to let the administration stonewalling us stop us and if people are acknowledgeing and i think theyre quite right that the evidence is overwhelming, then you have to ask, what more would becfq republicans, indeed, is there anything that could move republicans . Let me hope they will do their duty. Pled me give one example. Its one that a lot of republicans are hanging their hat on, if there is one piece of everyday have you not been able to surface, it is this idea that the president , when did he order thatpk n aid, itself, was to b withheld as a quid pro quo, you only have gordon it was a meeting and he assumed it. You dont have the. Usn this how theyre hanging their hat on. I realize. You can say it is a thin read, but it is a read. Lets look at this, the first thing they hung their hat 7dnon there is no evidence of quid pro quo. There was overwhelming everyday of quid pro quo. Some are hanging their hatb v3 1 whats your presence that the president withheld the military aid, the owik  chief of admitted they withheld the aid to get this information, this crazy dnc server investigation, which is a part of a russia Disinformation Campaign. The president s own chief of staff. I mean, they seem to be saying, unless donald trump writes out, i bribed ukraine, the evidence will be insufficient. What every juror is told and i dont think that the senate is different than a jury here, at least it shouldnt be, is they dont leave their common sense at the pdnldoor. There was no plus ar plausible plausible information but one that the president gy wanted ukraine to do his dirty work. Are you going to be the house manageer . Thats up to the speaker. Would you like to be one of the prosecutors . I dont want to get ahead of where we are. Which is we havent brought upy articles, made a decision about articles. Is that possible that articles are not filed this year . I dont want to prejudge the outcome here. I do think the evidence, the facts of what the president did are not contested. Theyre harmly not contested. Thats the remarkable thing. Zk so the question is knowing the president sought foreign0. B3n interference in an election. Knowing it conditioned political acts that get political favors, are we prepared to say thats okay. That consistent with the duties of the office and i will say this, members are going to have to think hard about two undezu. One, with the knowledge that if we do nothing, it is very likely the president will do this again, but second, are republicans prepared to say that they will allow this president and any future president to simply stonewall the congress and refuse to provide everyday. If they do, itjw impeachment clause is anullity, more than that, it means our oversight is anullity. I know where you are with the whisingy1un blower and the leaft you dont need to hear from the whistle blower before. You did pledge the Intelligence Committee would hear from the whistle blower in some form or another . We had a deep interest in having them testify. Two things happened. One we were able to prove it with witnesses that had first hand information and second the president and his allies whistleblowers life in danger. The president instead the whistleblower and other should be treated as a traitor and a spy and we ought to use the penalty and thats the Death Penalty so heres the thing, chuck, we dont need the whistln broeers secondhand blowers secondhand evidence. It would gratify the president s desire for retribution. That is not a good enough will be reason to bring in the whistleblower. On the senate trial, one of the reasons you are not going to fight in the courts for bolt isnt you believe there is this theory on a talking points memo, a liberal organization, josh marshall. There is a legal theory running around that its a get the chieftuous tis to compel john bolton to testify at a senate trial than it would be waiting around to get him to congress. Do you buy into that . I think that may very well be true. Now, people like john bolton, whose deputies had the courage to come in and testify, are going to have to answer onen n why they saved what they knew for a book rather than tell the country when the country needed to know. P nt c but i do think that when it comes to documents and witnesses, that if it comes to a trial and again were getting far down the road here, that the chief justicerbbwn will have to a decision on request for witnesses and documents. And so i dont envy thati he may say that you should be a witness. They may want to call you. Are you ready . Look,uiue if the senate wan call ne as a witness, then they pretty much made the decision not to take this process seriously. Im notc fact witness. I was a chairman of one of the committees doing an investigation. Im not in the shoes of a special counsel, i dont work for the justice department. All i can relate is what the witnesses in the open hearings and thats no reason to call me as a witness. Adam schiff i will leave it there. Right now no, public hearings scheduled for any time in the rest of this year. We dont foreclose the possibility of others. Adam schiff, democrat from california. Thank you for coming on sharing your views. Thank you. Joining me now is Republican Senate roger wicker, he commissions the securityvpbx a commission in university. U thank you. Glad to be here. I want to start two a report erltier this week it has to do with supposedly an intelligent briefing senators have received. First let me play what fiona hill said about russia and his week. Take a liss zpln right now, Russia Security Service and their proxies are repeating their interference in the 2020 election. We are running out of time to stop them. In the course of this can you confirm you guys have been given gel jens o ez some member versus. I have not. Im not at all surprised that russia is gearing up and also surprised shes correct that russia tried to interfere in 2016. Also, ukrainians, themselves, tried to interfere also. Chuck there is a big difference between the two. Look, i understand there is individual ukrainians that were upset that candidate donald trump wanted crimea to stay with russia s. That the same as the russian government and putin im concerned about both. Im concerned about both. Let me say this, chuck. I just have to start. I totally disagree we your leadin to this whole show today. I think that the washington punditry is somewhat in a bubble on this. I think the democrats had a bad week last week. Why is that . Okay. For one thing, the polls are turning in the president s favor, you got the marquette poll in wisconsin, which is the Gold Standard of wisconsin polls. You got the emerson poll, which is a nationwide poll, which actually shows trumps favorability going up. And i just think the people out there dont think this investigation is fair. They know that only democrat witnesses werezbfon allowed to called. None of the witnesses. Some of them were in deep calls. There were some witnesses. As a matter of fact, heres what happened. There were three witnesses that democrats asked for and republicans asked for. Those three witnesses. Fair enough. Got called. None of the witness that were exclusively called by the republicans were asked and you know you asked a question about the whistleblower and so chairman schiff has decided that it wouldnt be beneficial to his case. Well, it might be beneficial if some of the republicans were allowed to cross examination this person. So, its totally inadequate. I understand you disagree with my premise. Let me put up what peggy noonan said. Shes no . Q  liberal. Heres her take on this impeachment process. As to impeachment, itself, the case has been so made. Who exactly will be the president s witnesses . Those who testified that he didnt do what he appears to have done and would never do it. Respond to peggy noonan. I totally disagree we peggy on that and hofk she writes a column every week in the wall street journal and its not the first time ive disagreed. Fair enough. But you know, again, let me go back to what the public is seeing. I do thinkop arq public is kinf tuning out, kind of bored with this. I thinksfq argument and a legal 8vwc argum. Lets set aside thfvh politica argument. Mge you at all troubledzw by th behavior of the president , Rudy Guiliani, what was done here, the fact that he mentioned bidens, never talked about corruption on the phone call . Any of this stuff trouble you . I think the transcript, i read it last night in preparation for this. I think it was legitimately about corruption in ukraine like president biden. Let me pause there, heres what the president said, he wanted to see president zelensky do in response to his phone call. This is the president s own word. What is your reaction to [ inaudible ] zelensky with the bidens after the phone call . Well, i would think that if they were honest about it, theyd start a Major Investigation into the bidens. More confirmation he was asking about the bidens. Senator. He didnt mention corruption. I heard what the president said. A2rs heres what zelensky said. Zelensky said he was under no pressure to do anything. He didnt know the aid held up. You dont think he feels pressure in public in fairness . Do you think that would be a good of him if hes a agreed with the president s take . I think hes telling the wjp truth. If you are going to try to remove the president of the United States from office, you need concrete evidence and the other person on the part of this socalled quid pro quo denies that there was a quid pro quo. And also let me i have toer ject this, everything that you1a f was so compelling in your leadup was guesswork, was qh. There was no direct evidence of pressure on the Ukrainian Government to do a certain act in order for the aid to go forward. And i just really dont see what you and your producers see in the leadup there. I think it was a bad week. I think the American People are moving away from the democratic position. Let me ask you this. An exc your suppozt impeachment and let me play that. The rule of law means that the commanderinchief of our armed force could not be held to a lower standard than are his subordinates. The rule of law is more important than the tenure in office of any elected official. If you see proof in the senate trial that this president of the United States violated the rule of law, would that be enough for you . I havent i am nowhere close to seeing that proof. Let me say this, we learned some political lessons in the impeachment of bill clinton. But give us this. There were democrats who voted for impeachment also in the house of representatives. And a judge in arkansas had found, as a matter of fact, that president bill clinton committed perjury, a felony in almost every state. So the evidence was pretty overwhelming not to mention taking advantage of a young employee. You sponsor a lot of military bases, military constituentles. Im curious. We may have a large debate abouo this. Who should decide who is a seal . The president of the United States or fellow seals . Are you probably aware of the controversy involving this chief gallagher here. Should the president short circuit this or not . Would you like the seals to make this decision . I think the president as commanderinchief can make this decision. He can legally make it. Should he . I feel very comfortable with him making it. I feel very comfortable with what hes done on the other two cases. So im more than there. Okay. No, just asking. Dont apologize to me. Senator rogering wither, republican, thanks for coming on, sharing your views, i appreciate it. Thank y as a Small Business owner, the one thing you learn pretty quickly, is that theres a lot to learn. 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Neal, were having you for one block here. I will start with a quote, your the essential case youre making we call it the monopoly quote. d asking us to wait until the election to remove President Trump from office is likeh askg to resolve a dispute based on who wins a game of monopoly when the very crime you are accused of is cheating atrxu monopoly. I heard adam schiff starts to try to make that case better. That has not been the lead way the democrats have made their case. Has thatw been a mistake . I dont think its been a mistake. I think there is a lot of complexity around the whole this and the like. Now is the time to simplify it. Thats what ann the book is abo. Its a definitive guide why the president needs impeached. It begins what is impeachment about . In 6n1787, it was put in there. Founders put it in for a simple reason, i said we are worried about a president who self deals, cheats and gets help from a Foreign Government, fast forward 200 years, boy, thats exactly where we are. Pat mlaaeoccorey, are you on side of they havent made their legal architect or political argument . ÷ opinions on the jury of the people or the jury of the senate. So you believe its only a political aucase . Work on immigration, work on healthcare. Work on Foreign Policy, work on the deficit. Theyve heard everything and you cant go nowb it wasnt a quid pro kwochlt you have presume the ukraine got the aid, there was no quid pro quo and there was no investigation into the bidens. And katy tur this teams to be among the safest harbors that republicans hang their head on lee stefanik said in that last comment. At thats the argument the democrats are making. 3 linie and saying this is a suspicious time line. Oh, if you try toy rob7 p bank, you did something wrong, you have to almost suspend disbelief in order to make the argument that the president wasnt involveddpysy in anyway or that ukrainians didnt know about this when witness after witness testified over and over again testified overe working at the direction ofg3 Rudy Guiliani o they had conversations w ;kqat president or were talking to the ukrainians and the ukrainians felt pressure or the president wanted these investigations done. Also the president , himself, said it. U v guys, it feels, guys, the two sides are talkingnwy÷g past eac other. Republicans are making a political argument. Democrats are ce making a legal argument and theyre going, how do you, the other side, not see what we see . h lc jz theyre choosing to emphasize different things. Republicans areemqqyi÷n trying the president tried to do something but it never happened. The democrats are saying you know there was a quid pro quo or even if you tried it was still very bad. Ultimately, its a politicalnf question. I think this was a gamble for democrats and i think what the senator tried to say and maybe didnt do political question. Americans tend not to care a whole lot about Foreign Policy. I think it was risky for democrats to pursue impeachment on a question of Foreign Policy. Over the past week alone support for impeachment amongr]y independentings has dropped 7 points independents has dropped 7 points in a political poll im referring to. Independents ranked impeachment lowest among things they care about below the deficit i vsez trump care and trumps border wall. So if pursuing it, it was ricky. Its looking like a losing betic at this point in that it drops an enormous amount during the public hearings. Well, you know at least this raised our iq when it comes to latin, quid pro quo. I dont know if its quid pro quo, it is arguing in a circle. And so you do begin with the pre is up situation that you want to con supposition. That you want to confirm and see it through youru own prism. Well, my god, there are some things as incommenceable vocabularys, you say one thing, im saying one thing, never the twain hal meet. The senate is the elect tractortrailer. He lost the popular vote and won the senatorial college. Now we have incontrovertible evidence that this man has committed a huge wrong,q]z bri and whatever else has been reasonably put forth and been supported byfs law you know hearsay evidence and secondhand everyday, all of those things are exceptions and asterisks that are allowed when have you an overwhelming case. Heres the thing, no matter what donald trump does, he admitted from the very beginning. He said, if i go out here in the middle of the street and kill somebody, then america will stand with me. His base has8 right. I think the unfortunate loser here is the american public. But i think the democrats must not give in and capitulate and if we engage if theater here, if its not their ter, it is whats a senate trial . Democrats might not win the verdict they want in the senate trial. But can their trial be effective . Absolutely. So, first of all, i totally disagree that the jurors are baked and we know whats going ohappen. As a lawyer. As a lawyer,tnoau dont count votes until its over. That vote occurs in the senate. Its a long time from now. We are at chapter 1. Chapter 2a5 is that senate tr. How does it look, chuck . I think its a lot of evidence were not able to see, testimony of bolton and other people. You think we will see . The chief justice that suddenly changes a a lot of dynamic. Absolutely so were at the very start of this. Were not at the end and ia4zz not think this is about polls. This is about our constitution and what our duties are and to get the truth out about what this president did. We heard this same argument during the mueller, wait until the next argument. Its not going to happen. I will say this, i think what we learn here, is that if both sides are convinced that their angle of the argument, i think you put it well, a winning hand. We shall see when we come back. The men behind the man behind the infamous dossier. The infamous dossier. These are the this is a story about. The infamous dossier. These are the doin more. With less. Doers need energy. And demand for it is expected to grow. So chevrons finding more homegrown energy, more precisely. Digitizing the way we work with advanced Data Analytics helping us develop more productive wells. And were exploring ways to use Renewable Energy in our operations. Doin more. With less. More data and precision. To help meet growing demand. Thats going to get a lot of likes. Chevron. Innovating to meet the energy demands of today and tomorrow. The magic moment. Congress really democratized wall street. 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Few things are cited than the socalled steele dossier, the author Christopher Steelee and fusion gps were mentioned 32 times by House Republicans the dossier said russia had dirt on mr. Trump that could be used to black mail him. The Clinton Campaign paid fusion gps and republicans argued the dos yes and memos means that democrats were working to smear mr. Trump. Now they wrote a book. Crime and progress inside the feele dossier and the fusion of donald trump and the founders of the company join me now. Gentleman. Good morning. Welcome to meet the press. Nice to be here. Peter, why did you feel the need to write this book . And i say this because it also means revealing a lot of secrets. Thanks for having us on. We wrote the book to tell the real story of the steele dossier, which is arguably youd agree the most important document in recent political history. You know, its important to remember, we started this work on donald trump in the fall of 2015,gujn looking for republicao look at the business dealings of donald trump and his business records. Republican donor and another Republican Organization that was looking for Background Information for what, reporting . Opposition research . Thats correct. They were looking for look, they were trying to stress test his suitability for president. I dont know if they were pro trump, antitrump. Thats to be decide. But you know, it started out as an ordinary business investigation. It wasnt really about russia. As time went on we realized he had branched out his Business Empire around the world. H9ln n looking at other countries, it wasnt just russia. This is all recounted in great detail in the book. gf it was a fairly typical investigation for the first seven months or so. But it eventually did lead us tp russia. But it doesnt make logical sense for it to be a democratic conspiracy that the first half of the republicans. Let me ask this about the steele dossier. Some of the larger findings, some could argue have been proven true. Trump is vulnerable to black mail. There was a clear cooperation between trumps team and russia. He knew indn providing those t wikileaks. None of those allegation has been proven. Do you still stand by them . First its important to understand who Christopher Steelee is, a british officer who rose to run mi6 russia desk. This is someone of the most capable and knowledgeable experts on russia in thezax wor today and he, he spent a lot of time going through the dossier to sort out information from disinformation, credible facts from noncredible facts. Let me ask this, though, you are one of the odder coincidences is the russia lawyer. Vessel lit skyia. Yous book you did not know it at the1 time. But you even write in the book that, oh, now you are starting to wonder, were you sort of drawn in and worked in a way so if you might have been drawn in and workedh,  in a way, how do know Christopher Steele was . Because chris is a true pro at this im an exjournalist. He spent his area. This is his single focus of expertise, russia counterintelligen information. We talk about that at length in the book. We talk very candidly about you know lets be honest, we have to, there are certain things we wonder about. Yeah. Wed like to learn more. Like what . Its important to remember, by the way, pass is prologue. Sitting here today at the end of 2019, does anyone doubt thatfn5 donald trump would be capable of inciting or working with a Foreign Government to affect the political process in this zmunt thats exactly what the house is looking at right now. Let me get you to respond to fion na hill, heres what she said. Dr. Hymn, during your deposition i asked you was Christopher Steeles dossier a rabbit hole . Do you remember the answer you gave . Yes, i thought it was a rabbit hole. And you also said a couple pages later in the deposition or in the transcript that i have here of your deposition that you thought he got played. Is that fair . That is fair, yes. Fiona hill is an expert. Chris. Shes not a disinformation specialist. And so she is a russia specialist in general. Shes vfan entitled to her opin. I know she knows chris and has worked with him for a long time. So, im not sure that that is very well understood that one remark. I was puzzled by her comment, i dont really know what the rabbit hole means in that context. I will say beg you cant catch rabbits without going down rabbit holes. You need to follow leads where they take you. We have full confidence in chriss ability to do that. i y her broader statements of ÷russians are doing. Not just in our country but aroundb0 the world that match u exactly with our work. 6 one of the things people not realize is you are actively doing an investigation of donald trump. Explain what that is. Were not investigating donald trump. What were doing is investigating russias efforts to affect and disrupt western democracies. So thats france, britain, hungary, any number of countries. Who isn its a nonprofit. Is this rob reiner thing he is a part of an independent consortium group. Its called a democracy and independent project. Its run by daniel jones which is obviously public record. He is the former staffer whoc wrote the Intelligence Report on the torture program and what is going to happen to these findings . Is it going to be made public . Are you turning it over to law enfoursment, for a Political Campaign . Itsh l for the nonprofit decide. It depends on what the information is. We have tried. The charter is public education. In one form or asg÷another, we attempting to educate the public about undermine western democracies, not just in the United States. Before i do, what kind of toll is this taking on you guys personally . I would assume quite a bit. You have beenupgtargeting personally, harassed personally online. Talk about it. It was very unpleasant for a long imtoo. We were forced by various covenants we had wi Rudy Guiliani attacking you this week making claims. And you confronted him. Thats right. c wanted to put him on notice that were just not going to let him deliberately lie about qewu. Lets be clear. Hes not confused. Hes deliberately lying. Were going to respond when people deliberately lie about it. Especially when its the president of the United States lawyer. 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Heres buttigieg and Kamela Harris backtoback here on this issue of buttigiegs arguably inability so far to woo africanamerican voters. While i do not have the experience of ever having been discriminated against because of the color of my skin, i do have the experience of sometimes feeling like a stranger in my own country. So were going to now say my pain is worse than your pain . These are all injustices. But to start comparing one groups pain to the other is misguided. What was interesting about Kamela Harriss criticism there postdebate is she had an opportunity to say that right directly back at Pete Buttigieg and she backed off. Yeah. When he gave his answer and there was mor b to it, i thinkt some point he threw out the caveat, i know, im not going to compare struggles, but and she decided not to do it, but of. What does that tell you . Well, first of all, shes reenforcing al; point many peop can make. You cant engage in an oppression jer by, the jews, the blacks, the gays, if you live if kentucky, its bad so whats interesting is that she also had to deal with the gauntlet being thrown down is black people are more gay, more homophobic, now i think if i come at him, it reenforces black people being more homophobic. I think its unfortunate. James brolen said the problem many had in the 60s is that they were jews, its they were white. Its not that Pete Buttigieg is gay his politics have been whitewashed they have undermained his capacity to forge a connection with the africanAmerican People. Thats not to say there is homophobia in black communities as in every community. To single out black people is especially ironic. In one sense, the reason black people are sensitive to homosexuality is their heterosexuality has been queered. When you get your testicles look at on an auction block, that aint normal. Now we are hyper sensitive to that realm. Quick, can Pete Buttigieg become the nominee . Its not too big of a problem. He is willing to be self critical and acknowledge most black people are conservative morally and conservative socially even if not politically. If many republicans hadnt been5 caught in a quagmire of bigotry, they could exploit the inherent you know whats kind of interesting also is that joe biden when he was Vice President was the one who converted barack obama in the supporting gay marriage, which he didnt support in his second term when he was rung for reelection. At left he outed him. He outed obama. And his supporter. Supporter. Yeah. So its kindofa triangle here we have in the Democratic Party. The only other thing you cant outcool barack bam. Thats what democrats are lacking, anyone that had command of the stage like barack obama did. I was on the campaign trail against barack obama. Hes cool. Personal in the africanamerican community. Kamela harris is trying to be cool. She cant, it doesnt happen. So whats interesting is that i think the black response to kamela and corey tremendous individuals with extraordinary talent is a delayed response of disappointment invbi2n barack o that black people cannot explicitly articulate. They love obama the man, politically, they see there were problematic situations and they want their cake and eat it too. My question for the Democratic Party is who is the candidate that both sides at the end of the day, both sides of the Democratic Party, progressives, and or moderates, conservatives and liberals can agree on in the general election . Is that going to be somebody like Pete Buttigieg . Is biden going to inspire thef progressive base . The supporters of donald trump move over to biden . Is that a good bet in 2016 . You will talk about who can present a Diverse Coalition and, yes, biden certainly has the black vote locked down, at least as of now. Who can lock down that vote and who can lock down the progressive vote . Who can convention bernie supporters to support them along with those moderates . I think democrats are in an interesting position right now. They basically have four front runners. None of those really has the momentum and the race question for pete was basically a subtext of that debate. Nobody really came at him. Even though qa nharris criticized him afterwards, they also dont have the support of africanamerican voters. Joe biden is really the only candidate who has strong africanamerican support right now, which is fascinating. Michael, you will kill me here. I only have a second. Let me just ask this, does jay zee at all feel the nfl is using him with this kaepernick stuff . Of course not. Heres the thing, you talk about racism on a racial lens, why is it that a black guy sits at the table the white guy is using you as opposed guess this it was jay zees presence that forced the nfl to do something, give colin capering in a shot. Capeay g in a shot. Jay 1. 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