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Favoring the wealthy . My guest this morning, republican senator Susan Collins and democratic senator Dianne Feinstein. And well talk about that russia connection with former Trump Campaign manager Corey Lewandowski and david bossy. Finally, after another week of Sexual Harassment stories, were going to look at the generation gap over what is considered unacceptable behavior. Joining me for insight and analysis are doris, mike murphy, and Danielle Pletka and eddie glove of princeton university. Welcome to sunday, its meet the press. Announcer from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. We have two huge stories were dealing with this morning, one is the tax plan passed by Senate Republicans over night friday into saturday, a bill that democrats point out favors the wealthy at the expense of parts of the middle class, while republicans insist the bill will pay for itself with Economic Growth. The other big story is former National Security adviser Michael Flynn pleading guilty to lying to the fbi about conversations with russias ambassador to the United States during the president ial transition. Yesterday, President Trump tweeted that he had to fire flynn in february because he lied to Vice President pence and the fbi. That tweet suggests the president knew he lied to the fbi when he asked james comey to drop the flynn investigation. So in an attempt to clean this up, mr. Trumps personal law john dowd has taken the fall and said he wrote the tweet. We have asked him how many times he tweeted for the president and he has told us just once and said it will be the last time he does it. Nevertheless, what flynns guilty plea tells us definitively is what the Trump Campaign and administration having saying about a russia connection for the last year plus doesnt appear to be true. Why would there be any contacts between the campaign . I cant think of bigger lies. There is no connection. We have no dealings in russia. We have no projects in russia. We have nothing to do with russia. This conversation has never happened. I have nothing to do with russia, folks. Okay . Flynns cooperation deal suggests that mr. Trumps Transition Team was running a rogue Foreign Policy operation and it brings muellers russia investigation straight inside the white house. What has been shown is no collusion, no collusion. Michael flynn was a top surrogate for mr. Trump on the campaign trail, introducing him at rallies nearly two dozen times, even floated briefly as a possible Vice President ial running mate. A great general. Great guy. Great man. How good is general flynn . You see that . As National Security adviser, one of the president s key confidants. General flynn is a wonderfulman. Flynns guilty plea was part of a deal to avoid more severe charges for himself and his son signaling he has valuable information about the president s inner circle and mr. Trumps family members that he is willing to share. He is pleading to a really very minor charge considering the scope of all of the exposure that has been reported. Flynn admitted to lying about two separate contacts he had in december with then Russian Ambassador to the United States sergey kislyak. The first on december 22nd, when prosecutors say flynn was directed by a very Senior Member of the president ial Transition Team to urge foreign governments to oppose a u. N. Security Council Resolution against israel. Sources tell anybody news that the senior official was the president s soninlaw Jared Kushner. A week later after president obama announced new sanctions against russia for interfering in the u. S. Election, flynn discussed what, if anything, to communicate to the Russian Ambassador about sanctions with another senior transition official at maralago. We learned that official is k. T. Mcfarland. Flynn requested that russia not escalate the situation and Vladimir Putin said he would not retaliate prompting mr. Trump to tweet, great move by putin. I always knew he was very smart. Top officials later said no sanctions conversation had ever taken place. They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States decision to expel diplomats or impose a censure against russia. The subject matter of sanctions actions did not come up in the conversation. In february, the president said flynn was fired for misleading the white house about those contacts. But the plea deal suggests that members of the president s inner circle did know about the conversations at the time. Whats unclear, is if pence and priebus were a part of that inner circle. Last week after mr. Flynns legal team stopped cooperating with his own lawyers, the president made a not so subtle jab at his former confident. You never know about an ally. An ally can turn. Youll find that out. And on saturday, we saw more evidence that the goodwill is over. Well see what happens. Joining me now is republican senator Susan Collins of maine sits on the Intelligence Committee. Senator collins, welcome to meet the press. Thank you, chuck. I want to get to two stories and start with russia. I have to put up taken at face value, theres two sort of alarming quotes over the weekend. One comes from the president s twitter feed we referenced it earlier in the leadin, that he said he lied the reason he fired flynn. Lied to the Vice President and fbi. And then let me show you this k. T. Mcfarland quote, the deputy National Security adviser for a short period of time. Theres an email she sent around during the transition that apparently said this if there is a tit for tat escalation, trump will have difficulty improving relations with russia, which is just thrown usa election to him. Now we have the white house trying to backtrack, clarify those things. How alarming are those two quotes to you . Well, they are the reason why we have two investigations rnd way right now, the special councils investigation clearly is baring fruit as weve seen with the guilty plea with general flynn. And we have the Senate Intelligence committee investigation, which is a different kind of investigation, a counterintelligence investigation. And were also making progress. Its interesting you said bearing fruit. Do you believe that there was collusion . Do you believe that this is where this is headed, that mueller is slowly by surely proving his case there was collusion between the Trump Campaign and the russians . We dont know that yet, but what we do know is that there were conversations during the transition period. During the transition period there is still only one president and that was president obama, so those conversations should not have confirmed been taking place, but that does not confirm collusion. This deal for flynn to work with mueller now, how much does that slow down the Intelligence Committee investigation . Well, thats a great question because we had already asked general flynn to come before us and to also produce his personal papers and his attorney asserted his fifth amendment right against selfincrimination. So now, really, the special counsel is in the drivers seat as far as general flynn is. I still want to hear from him because i believe that he could contribute a great deal to our investigation. Do you think at this point you guys have some cooperation between the special Prosecutors Office and what you guys are doing. Does that include your ability to get read all the Interview Transcripts for instance of Michael Flynn . Well, ive been reading the Interview Transcripts that our staff is doing do you get access to muellers . We do not get access to muellers. And i understand that because only he can pursue criminal wrong doing. Right. Ours has different mission, but also a very important one. Im curious the scope, does it include the transition . I know the scope is about the campaign, does that include the transition . Yes. You believe the scope of Intel Committee does include the transition. Everything up to january 20th or even more . It not only includes the transition period, it includes the campaign period. Right. And thats why were looking at the conversations that occurred during that period as well. Do you have a sense of where mueller is in his probe . Do you feel as if this is the end of the beginning, beginning of the end . Do you guys have a sense of the length of this probe right now . Although were in touch or the chairman is in touch with the special counsel, its very difficult to say, but clearly he is making progress. Hes had guilty pleas from two individuals. Hes had two other indictments. So he is making progress. The chairman of the Intelligence Committee, fellow republican richard burr, acknowledged in an interview to the New York Times that the president has talked to various republican members of the Intel Committee, encouraging them to move the probe along, end this probe. Senator burr wrote it off to inexperience in government. He didnt view it as an attempt to obstruct justice. Two questions. One, has the president called you . No, he has not. That doesnt surprise me, frankly. But second, do you think richard burr do you agree with his take, oh, this is just inexperience in government by the president . He doesnt realize hes violating some protocol here. Well, even if its inexperience, that doesnt make it right. The president should have no comment whatsoever on either of these investigations and the only thing he should be doing is directing all of his staff and associates to fully cooperate. All right. Let me move to the tax bill. I want to move to the debt part first. Let me play a little mashup of what youve said about the debt in the past. Take a listen. And senator collins, you supported president obama on the stimulus package. Can you support his budget . No. Why not . Because it brings our debt levels to an unprecedented level. Our current debt is unsustainable. Its 14. 3 trillion. And it is a threat to the future prosperity of this nation. All right. If the debt is unsustainable at 14 trillion, how do you how did you make yourself comfortable voting for something that is going to increase the deficit, this tax bill . Were at 20. 6 trillion now and the best estimates say its going to, even the best estimates of dynamic scoring that we could find still add half a trillion to the deficit. Economic growth produces more revenue and that will help to offset this tax cut and actually lower the debt. I where is the evidence . Can i explain to me find a find a study that actually says what youre claiming. It doesnt exist. Let me do that. First of all, if you take the cbos formula and apply it, just. 4 increase in the gdp generates revenues of a trillion dollars. A trillion dollars. Even the joint committee on taxation has projected that the tax bill would stimulate the economy to produce hundreds of billions of additional revenue. Ive talked to four economists, including the dean of the Columbia School of business and former chairs of the councils of economic advisers, and they believe that it will have this impact. So i think if we can stimulate the economy, create more jobs, that that does generate more revenue. But why isnt there a single study im going to show you three studies that we have. Sort of a liberal one, a conservative one. The most pro Economic Growth argument still has 516 billion to the deficit over ten years. Well, talk to economists like Glenn Hubbard and Larry Lindsey and Douglas Eaton who used to be head of the cbo. They will tell you otherwise. So i think you will find that economists just dont agree on this. Youre comfortable with your vote on this tax bill is it there really no gnatter what comes out of conference . No. I mean, obviously i want to see what comes out. I believe that the amendments that i added on medical expense deductions, on property tax reductions, on helping Retirement Security for Public Employees improve the bill. I got a commitment that were going to pass two bills including the Alexander Murray bill and one that i fought for that will help offset the individual mandate repeal by lowering premiums. And i also got an ironclad commitment that were not going to see cuts in the Medicaid Medicare Program as a result of this bill. All right. We will be watching that commitment that was made to you. Im curious to see if they keep their deal with you, senator collins. Thanks for coming on. Im out of time. I appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. Thank you, chuck. All right. President trump has controversially denied that russia interfered with the 2016 election, an issue that the lead democrat on the senate Intel Committee mark warner took issue with on friday. We see Senior Intelligence officials appointed by this president acknowledging the massive russian intervention. Weve seen the social Media Companies that at first resisted but now acknowledge massive russian intervention. Frankly, virtually every one of my republican colleagues acknowledges russian intervention. The one individual that still seems to deny that this is not a major issue is donald trump. Well, joining me now is democratic senator Dianne Feinstein of california, who like senator collins also sits on the Intel Committee. She herself was a longtime chair and vice chair of the Intel Committee. Senator feinstein, welcome back to the show. Thank you very much, chuck. Same question to you as i started off with senator collins. As a member of the Intel Committee. Ill reference those graphics in a minute. Just at face value, and we know that the white house has tried to walk back both the kt mcfarland email that seemed to imply that they are as fact that the russians did this, and, of course, the president apparently admitting to potentially obstructing justice. Theyve walked all of those back. But do you look at that what does that say to you these two, even call them mistakes, is it sort of accidental admissions in your mind . Well, i would begin by saying this, as you know, im ranking on judiciary, and the Judiciary Committee has an investigation going as well. It involves obstruction of justice. I think what were beginning to see is the putting together of case of obstruction of justice. I think we see this in the indictments, the four indictments and pleas that have just taken place and some of the comments that are being made. I see it in the the hyperfrenetic attitude of the white house, the comments everyday, the continual tweets. And i see it most importantly in what happened with the firing of director comey. And it is my belief that that is directly because he did not agree to lift the cloud of the russia investigation. Thats obstruction of justice. You know, the president a few times has insisted hes not under investigation. Is the president everything youve seen now, the deal with flynn, does that indicate to you that actually the president may now be you just laid out the obstruction of justice case. That would mean or imply that the president is now under investigation, hes a target. Well, i would assume that many in the white house are under investigation in this. I would assume, you know, i do not believe that general flynn was a rogue agent. I dont believe that on his own conclusion he would go out and try to tell the russians in two instances, once to stop a National Security resolution going through the United Nations regarding israel, and on the sanctions that president obama had just put in urged that they not be tampered with by the transition committee. And that he would go in on his own and attempt to tamper with them with russia. I just dont believe that. I think he had to have been directed. Now whether the special counsel can find that evidence or not, whether we can, i dont know yet, but i see that thats where this is going. All right. We have kt mcfarland who was for a short time deputy National Security adviser. Shes now i believe nominated to be the ambassador of singapore. She has not been a person who has been publicly connected with this investigation. Has the Intel Committee interviewed her . You have no, the Intel Committee i cant tell you. The staff has done more than 100 interviews. Asked to have her come before the committee . No, but the democratic side i can assure you will and i hope that the republican side would join in it. How much does this flynn cooperation deal senator collins noted you wanted flynn to come before the Intel Committee, his lawyer asserted the fifth amendment rights. Now obviously you want to ask him to come back. Mueller has priority over him at this point. Absolutely. Obviously it slows down the Intel Committees investigation. How much does it . Well, i dont really believe it does. I think the investigation that really has the clout is bob muellers investigation. Hes got all the tools he needs, investigative and legal, to do what he needs to do. I think what were seeing is some of the fallout from that and i think increasingly, hopefully, people are going to be more willing without subpoena to come and be interviewed and provide information. For example, Jared Kushner. Both senator grassley, our chairman, and myself, we have sent a letter asking for information. He has agreed to give it. Think thats very important. And we will see what happened. I think there is no question but that he is a principal in this. I dont make any allegations because i dont know, but i think his testimony would be very important. There is a campaign ad thats running a lot in california and some on cable by somebody who may be an opponent of yours in a senate race, a man by the name of tom steyer. Let me play the ad. People in congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger who is mentally unstable and armed with Nuclear Weapons and they do nothing. Theres been some implication here that hes that the ads are directed at you because you took a more cautionary note when asked about the idea of impeachment. Where are you on that . Is the obstruction of justice case that you laid out pretty succinctly earlier with me, is that an Impeachable Offense . Well, in the first place, i just told you i happen to be ranking on judiciary, which means im the lead democrat on this. Im trying to be very careful as to what i say and what i do. We have to put together facts that are solid, that are very close to evidence, if not evidence, and also draw some conclusions and possibly do some legislation. So this is a process thats ongoing. Now, im not without the powers of observation right. Or seeing whats going on around me or watching the day by day episodes go by. The concern rises with the day. The concern about this white house the concern about the president . Your concern about this president s ability to do the job rises by the day . Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Ive been here for 25 years now. There is a kind of instability, unpredictability. Its one issue after the other. Weve got major problems in the world with our allies now. In the middle east, with north korea, it goes on and on. And i think that this president is just precipitating more and more angst thats going to lead to serious discord. When do you hit your enough is enough moment . Well, it happened about a month ago, and i cant give you any particular event, but it happens you know, those of us that are here so you think you need to get him out of office . Understand how the white house functions. And as you begin to see one day its one story, the next day its another story, the third day its another story. Its very concerning to get at the truth. So, i mean, you just said youve hit your point. Do you believe its time to think about getting him out of office . I believe its time for us to finish our investigation. Okay. And i dont want to bias any part of the investigation with premature thinking. All right. I think thats very important. Okay. Senator feinstein, im going to have to leave it there. As always, i never have enough time when ever i get you. Thank you. Good to see you. Well be back in a moment with much more on where this russia probe may go next. And later, im going to talk to two Trump Campaign insiders about life with candidate trump and about the current russia situation as well. Corey lewandowski and david boss music plays throughout i no longer live with the uncertainties of hep c. Wondering, what if . I let go of all those feelings. Because i am cured with harvoni. Harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. Its been prescribed to more than a quarter Million People. And is proven to cure up to 99 of patients who have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. Certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. Before starting harvoni, your doctor will test to see if youve ever had hepatitis b, which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after harvoni treatment. 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Sh is not somebody who is a bombthrower, doris concerns goconcerns something happened a month ago and obviously i think, oh, my god, tell us what it is that happened, but clearly the people inside the administration, inside the congress are feeling a sense of enormous concern right now. I dont understand how President Trump could say the other day no collusion, were very happy. How could be be happy . The administration has been under a shadow from the gipg. Time and resources have been lost. As long as it hits him he says were happy. Dont the people around you youve chosen to show themselves to be untrustworthy, thats at he says we are very happy. There is such a disconnect between whats happening and what hes feeling. Well, she caught a primary a month ago, too, and that helps you find your inner bombthrower when youre up for reelection for a democratic primary in california. This flynn thing is oh big. Its not big out in the voter world yet, but think about this, every day general flynn wakes up with one thought now, what can i do to please bob mueller because he controls the future of my son and my life . He is an insider. No doubt about it he was in the middle of the russia stuff. Now they smell blood. Think the wheels are going to start turning and democrats will get tougher and tougher and run on impeachment as their Midterm Election message. You know, eddie, don mcgahn, the white House Counsel has been culled before Robert Muellers special counsel. Now youve got staffers in the white house being brought over. Frankly how can he be the lawyer for the office of the president right now and somebody who bob mueller is interviewing as a witness . I dont either. Were going to run about against a whole bunch of contradictions, whether its in the executive branch or we might be on the path to a constitutional crisis depending on how this thing works out. What i do know is this, is that general flynns flipping as it were makes everyone nervous. And i think there are two things, particularly with senator fine stein just laid out. One is the obstruction case, and the collusion tied to quid pro quo. That is to say what was it, what drove general flynn to contact kislyak . What drove him to say that we will deliver on these sanctions, we will ease them up . Did they receive something during the campaign which allowed them or forced them to deliver something once they were elected . So all of this stuff is happening and i think senator feinstein sees it. Its a cumulative effect. I think she sees a collection of data that leads her to believe that something really is afoot here. Look, danielle, weve had a lot of off the record concern from those from senators for quite some time. Democrats are giving voice to it. Republicans havent. Will they . I think republicans are going to keep talking privately about the president , but i think it serves nobody to stand up and say i think the president s crazy. Hes the president of the United States. And that kind of thing is just there is no political upside for republicans because then the next question is, okay, you think hes crazy, you think hes on drugs, you think there is something wrong with him . These are all the whispers we hear in washington, so the next question is, so what are you going to do about it . The answer from them is we dont want to do anything about it. You know what makes me sad . We already lost. Were living in a time where the young people are seeing their government not working, worrying in the president s health, an investigation where people lie. What do people think of politics as an honorable profession . I hate to shatter your illusions here but there have been many, many previous investigations of governments that werent Donald Trumps in which president s and those next to him lied. Im not saying that. I wouldnt have had to live through watergate. I dont think its fun to be through one of these cliffhanger things. Wouldnt you rather be living through a time where something is positive. Ive lived in washington too long to think that. Dont be so cynical. It is bigger than that. Were living through the first screw ball presidency. There is screening from one side to the other. You dont know who is really in charge. The internal politics are crazy. The people i talk to privately are terrified. They see the Midterm Election and trying to get the election back and there is a chaos factor. Underneath it all is the erosion of basic norms in some ways provided the rudder, the stability. The basic democratic norms. Decency, honesty, integrity, credibility. All right. Horrible 48 hours for the president with this investigation, but he was handed one helpful pr moment. An fbi agent was just removed from bob muellers team for antitrump text. When you read the details of this, danielle, i have to say, part of me thought, wait a minute, are we bordering into thought police territory . Numb one. We can set that aside here, but it does give the president a pr tool here to throw to his supporters saying, aha, bias in the mueller probe. He just tweeted about it this morning. Shocking. Im shocked. Im not sure who tweeted it. You know, look, this is a problem because you want the perception, just as Dianne Feinstein was extraordinarily careful to preserve that impartiality, im waiting for the evidence. When you have an investigator who obviously has an ax to grind against the president , you want to get rid of him. Mueller is being very careful and applaud him for doing that. If he made one error here, doris, it seems they didnt let everybody know immediately they had done this. After the fact. It was after the fact that the public learned. The president is a genius at taking Something Like this and blowing it up to titanic size. We are going to hear so much about this. It will eclipse the investigation now, at least on the conservative side of the media. Its always designed to undermine the truth value of the press, the truth value of the investigation, to leave doubt once the conclusions are gone. All right. Im going to pause it here. When we come back, im going to ask two key players from the trump is campaign what they knew about contacts with russia [ keyboard clacking ] [ click ] [ keyboard clacking ] [ clacking continues ] good questions lead to good answers. Our advisors can help you find both. Talk to one today and see why were bullish on the future. Yours. Talk to one today and see why were bullish on the future. 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He referred to senator Elizabeth Warren again as pocahontas at an event honoring native americans. He called north koreas leader little rocket man and a sick puppy in a speech in missouri. You might say it was just the president being himself. And thats more or less the point of a new book let trump be trump. Its the First Campaign book from the president s perspective. Its written by mr. Trumps one time Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski and david bossie. Both of them join me now. Gentlemen, welcome. Thanks for having us. I want to start with an omission that we thought was interesting in the book. You might not be surprised. We were looked for some mike flynn references in your book. There are exactly two. It seems to me, did you scrub them out . This was a man who made 22 introductions for the president. You probably travelled with him on Trump Force One dozens of times. How is it if youre writing about the campaign you didnt have any flynn anecdotes . This book and what we talk about is the Trump Campaign and the trump rise and what the president saw, what the candidate saw, what the reaction was of the American People. What we dont talk about, chuck, look, this isnt a book about Corey Lewandowski or dave bossie, this is about what the president tapped into so all the ancillary players arent mentioned. The person who was the most important factor in the president ial election is the president of the United States and thats what we write about. I understand that, but he didnt even make acknowledgements and you listed every other person in the campaign in the acknowledgement. We mentioned mike flynn, and this book went to bed months ago, so, you know the book industry. This book went to bed. We didnt think about that in the slightest. You were on the transition. What can you say about kt mcfarlands role at maralago, were you there at maralago at the time . What insight can you give to how this worked . Its very simple. The National Security team was really segregated away. People without National Security clearances, once the campaign ended and it was a transition, it really became you saw mike flynn and kt mcfarland around the office. They were in their own space, they had their own staff, so the everyday staff, the Political Team really had little interaction with them and i never saw either of them at maralago. I was there early. Can you definitively say that there were no russian contacts between the campaign . Ive talked to Corey Lewandowski about this 100 times at this point. Ive not interviewed you. Was there a single russian interaction that you ever witnessed . Not even one. And this investigations been going on for a long time. I just dont put out there that there is a bit of evidence that shows russian collusion. This president , then the candidate, that was not part of the campaign. I never saw a russian, i never saw a russian at trump tower, i never interacted with one, i was never on an email about one. Corey, let me ask you this, is it possible that donald trump jr. And Jared Kushner would do things and not tell you about it . Of course, chuck. That happens on every campaign. What i learned when i went on the campaign trail and left the campaign id go to an event and say donald trump said you need to do this. Or dave bossie said the event has to be run this way. I call dave and say, did you say that . He said of course not. People take liberties all the time and do things that arent told to the Campaign Manager or think its in the best interests of themselves or the campaign. That happens in every orang organization. You paint a pretty rough picture of the president , that its tough to work for him. Sooner or later, everybody who works for donald trump will see a side of him that makes you wonder why you took a job with him in the first place. His wrath is neff intended as personal offense, but sometimes it can be hard not to take it that way. The mode he switches into when things arent going his way could feel like an allout assault. It would break most hardened men and women into little pieces. Corey how many times did you think about quitting . I never thought about quitting, but when you give the sacrifice of time with your family and what is important to you and he demands such perfection. Thats right. We wanted that campaign to be perfect from the time the music was cued and the time he walked off. The Little Details that thats what i thats what we were referring to whats the hell tear your face off. Believe me, its happened to me multiple time. Whats your advice to white house staffers who didnt get on the campaign when they feel the wrath of the president . Do your job to the best of your ability. He expects and demands perfection. That is not a knock on our president. It is not. It is just simply a reflection of what we tried to do for him and what he demanded. Ive got to be honest with you, when i failed, i owned up to it. I think corey would say the same thing. We tried very hard every day. So the staff really needs to be on top of their game. All right. Earlier this week, there have been reports that somehow the president now thinks the access Hollywood Tape was fabricated. You write about the access hollywood you both obviously write about it. You werent there, but obviously you were there, and you had to play it for him. Well, it was hope who got it. I played it on the ipad. He did acknowledge to you, did he not, that the voice was his . Look, you know, i dont even know why thats of interest today. The president s put out his apology video that weekend its only of interest because hes changing the story. I dont believe its a change. Is it his voice . Was that him in the access Hollywood Tape . Oh, think its clear thats it is. So there is no disputing this. No, and i dont think he does either. Well then, corey, explain this. Youve been with him frankly longer than david did. Why does he have this penchant to change a bad story. When he owns up to something, literally six months later he wants to rewrite history. Chuck, whats amazing is we havent talked about once this significant tax reform. Were talking about this story lets talk about the access Hollywood Tape. The American People had a month before election day when the access Hollywood Tape came out and you know what they said . We have a choice between a candidate who wants to change the direction of the country and a doubledigit wcandidate who w the status quo. 60 Million People stepped forward and said we want donald trump as our president. We can talk about access hollywood or the fact that the American People looked at this and its important to move america in a different direction. Its a line i used to hear from clinton all the time, david. Its been litigated and the American People chose. Is that where were in in these issues now, both sides say its been litigated . You know, unfortunately, there has been a host of problems, recent problems with highprofile people and i think thats why its back up in the public eye today. If that hadnt happened, it wouldnt be talked about. All right. The book is let trump be trump. Let corey and bossie be corey and bossie. Good luck with the book. When we come back, there is a generational divide in how we view the issue of sexual view the issue of Sexual Harassment. I accept i dont bie as far as i used to. I even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. But no matter where i ride, i go for my best. So if theres Something Better than warfarin, ill go for that too. Eliquis. Eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus had less major bleeding than warfarin. Eliquis had both. 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Data download time. Another week with more Sexual Harassment stories in the news with new names and old names. Matt lower, garrison keillor, john conyers and al franken, among others, but according to a recent nbc news wall street journal poll how you feel about Sexual Harassment made depend on who you are and how old you are. 71 of women say Sexual Harassment happens in all or most workplaces, while 62 of men say the same thing. Large majorities for both, though, still a ninepoint gender gap. But generational differences were great. 78 of women age 18 to 49 say Sexual Harassment happens in all or most workplaces, while 64 of women 50 or over agree with that statement. A 14point difference. There is a generational divide when women asked if theyre personally experienced Sexual Harassment in the workplace. 51 of women 18 to 49 say they have, while 41 of women 50 ore over say the same. Look, its very possible that Sexual Harassment means Different Things to women of different generations. Accounting for this difference. So what does this all mean for how we respond to these issues Going Forward . Well, according to our poll, men, particularly younger men, are rethinking the way they interact with women in workplace. In fact, 54 of men between the ages of 18 and 49 say recent stories have caused them to think about their own behavior and how they interact with women. Among men 50 or older, the impact was smaller, 42 . Finally, younger women are more likely to share their own past experiences than older women. This suggests we may be looking at a Lasting Impact on the Workplace Environment because its this Younger Generation that is reacting most ins tensely to this call it revolution of sorts. When we come back, will republicans be rewarding for passing a tax bill or punished by voters for favoring the wealthy . 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Continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. Back now with endgame. This revolution i guess we should call off of sorts of women now speaking out against a slew of men behaving badly, whether here, frankly at home here at nbc news or in politics and all of this stuff. But give me an i want some Historical Context here, doris, because i was thinking at what point is this movement going to be so strong that we start reevaluating the lbjs, the jfks, the fdrs. Dwight eisenhower. Any one of these powerful men you would hear stories but we wouldnt see. Look, i think its a mistake when people say standards have changed. You cant rational behavior in the past that was wrong. It is wrong now, it was wrong 50, 100 years ago. Victims are speaking up the way they didnt speak up 50 years ago. Theyre speaking not just by themselves, but as a chorus, its become a movement. Young women now are making this a movement. This is a watershed moment. I keep thinking about Bobby Kennedys talk. He said in south africa, from numberless action courage and belief that Human History has shaped. Each time a man or a woman stands up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and those ripples eventually build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression. Thats whats happening now. Its going to change how men feel about women. Its not going to go away. Politically though, mike, we are watching every other industry move quickly, except the world of politics. Right. You live out in hollywood. Uhhuh. Did you ever think hollywood would reform itself this fast . No and its not over yet either. I wear a straight jacket around town just to be safe. Its going to get bigger. The difference is. Hands off, doris. What are you doing here . Wheres my lawyer. The difference is that politicians have indirect bosses. Who can fire them . The voters can at intervals. In western european democracies, there is such a thing called shame. People resign when they screw up. Our politics, weve given up on the resigning thing. You have to wait for the election. In the real world there is a boss and a team of lawyers who can say, youre out. Its interesting, democrats really changed. Eddie, nancy pelosi with me last week wasnt ready to call for john conyers to resign. For days. Then suddenly a freshman member in nevada who many people hadnt heard of until this first accusation of a unwanted advance comes out and within hours she and half the Democratic Caucus are calling for resignation. Thinks democra i think democrats are seeing they cant be slow on this, or even deliberate. Its understand we understand this issue not as a partisan issue. The issue of Sexual Harassment cuts across party lines, whether youre a republican or a democrat. The reaction hasnt been cutting across party lines. There is a presumption of innocence that democrat whos are supposed to be these principled people live up to their principles, and when they dont, it confirms the belief that see, these limousine liberals arent really what they how we get out of this individual litigation of each individual case because its going to happen over and over and over again and buck this up to a broader discussion of patriarchy and its benefits. The cultural revolution is going to happen not just in homeland with big producers or at nbc, it is going to have to happen with the woman who cleans the hotel room, its going to have to happen with the restaurant worker who is experiencing assault. So were going to have to figure out, how do we get this discussion to talk about male privilege and the way it saturates our society . Danielle, there is an uncomfortable reality that david bossie brought up when he was trying to defend the access Hollywood Tape. He used almost the exact same phrase i remember in the 90s when democrats would defend 9 clintons, well, the voters have spoken. So the voters give permission slips on this . Well, i dont think the voters give permission slips to anyone to behave in a fashion that is immoral or illegal. If thats going to be the defense, all i can tell you is its a bloody awful defense. I will say as somebody who as often worried, in fact here on air has worried about the abuse of these kinds of accusations, that over the last few weeks the kind of revelations there have been, not just not guilty congress but frankly in the news media have truly shocked me changed your mind a little bit . It has shocked me enormously. There is something about a pattern of behavior here that is unacceptable but unbelievable. Its unbelievable. A person you knew could do Something Like that to somebody. Not to talk over you, doris you can talk over me. Lets not forget whats going on in alabama. Theyre running neck and neck. Roy moore. Is the voter going to expunge the record of roy moore or is congress go to do something about it . The president is going to campaign for roy moore in the mobile, alabama, media market, theyre trying to do this ridiculous thing. Look, i spent a lot of time in pensacola, its an Alabama Media market. If you want us to claim victory if roy moore wins this all came out a week ago when roy moore moved up in the polling. Now its tightening again so the president might come up with laryngitis. I think its the president looking at how he can engineer something. The real drama, there will be more drama they dont know washington thinks for expulsion if moore comes in. We know its a litmus test its also the war of politics. I think jones is going to edge it out. If not, its going to be a real test for the party. Historical data tells me joins wins, but the president is appearing in ads. Laura trump is doing robocalls to get folks there. Theyre allin. This is the question, does the president not have decency to go for this man to get a vote to prove himself when whats been proven and shown about him doris, what . Its inexplicable. Im sorry, are you actually asking that question in went . 2017. Yes, im asking that question. The answer is no, no, no. Thats the last word. Thats all we have for today. Well be back next week, i promise. Because if its sunday, its meet the press. You can see more endgame and postgame on the mtp facebook page. The reuben is back for a limited time at subway. So much reuben. I am a First Responder tor and iemergencies 24 hours a day, everyday of the year. My children and my family are on my mind when im working all the time. My neighbors are here, my friends and family live here, so its important for me to respond as quickly as possible and get the power back on. Its an amazing feeling turning those lights back on. Be informed about outages in your area. Sign up for outage alerts at pge. Com outagealerts. Together, were building a better california. Hot on the heels of the flynn legal gymnastics, a powerful member of the u. S. Senate says she sees the makings of an obstruction of justice case against President Trump. With the u. S. On the verge of recognizing jerusalem as the capital, an emergency meeting of the arab league has been called. Found alive, a 17yearold High School Soccer player who ran away with her 27yearold coach is reunited with her parents as the coach will face a judge later today. Saturday night live lights up youtube with the hottest video of the ages plus an anthem on Sexual Harassment. Welcome to hell. Early today starts right now. Good morning. Im phillip mena. Im frances rivera. It has been 217 days since donald trump became the ti