Furn t fiorentino. And joining me today, susan page, and former adviser to president george w. Bush, george aguilar, and if it is sunday, it is meet the press. This is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning and what a week in politics. This is the week that republicans are accepting the e reality that donald trump is not going anywhere and the week that democrats are kcontemplating th possibility that Hillary Clintons emails might derail her nomination. And we learn that joe biden is sitting down with a not so subtle message of what his dream ticket could look like. And now, looking at donald trump, 20,000 sure did show up to a football stadium in mobile, alabama to hear him and cheer him. So we decided to send our own meet the press producer to embed him to go with the Trump Supporters to find out what is behind the trump surge. He is real. He is a real person, and he is not politically correct, and im glad. I never have voted republican in my life. I have been a democrat. And you could vote republican for donald trump . There is a possibility. A possibility. He is not exactly programmed. I think that he believe nas what he says. He is a little bit gruff, and i think that people like it. And one thing is that we have such sensitive skin, and he is showing what is it like to be republican. Sweet home alabama where the skies are blue in hillarys case, she has done pretty well, but i dont know if she is going to make it. But what if, just assume somebody else is going to be president , wouldnt that be horrible . We have 28,000 troops over there, and what if we fight and protect, and we get nothing. Nothing. What was your favorite part of the speech . Well, just the way he was not a politician. He would say what was on his mind, and i got the gut feeling, and i think that im right about it that he is going to do what he says he is going to do. What i like about trump is that he is taking everything and turning it upside down, and making people think again. And at this time, we dont know how its going to turn out, and we are going to ride the wave the whole way. And interesting comment there at the end. Enthusiasm for donald trump is real, and the question is, is will it last and how long . Alex castellanos has worked on some of the biggest names, and including president bush, and charley black has worked for reagan and bush 41 and this is Donald Trumps worst nightmare, because you are the guys who he is running against, the establishment. Yes. And charley black, you heard the voices in the crowd, and that is what we are trying to get a handle on, who are these people who are gravitating toward trump, and what does that tell you . Well, there is a lot of frustration and anger in the country about the federal government, and politicians in both parties, and donald is a vehicle for that kind of frustration. So i do based on your theme believe that he is here to stay for a while, and maybe through a few primaries, but he is is not going be the nominee. What he is doing is to be a more likable pat buchanan with a protectionist platform that is not going to sell for the majority of the republicans. He wont go when the field narrows very far. And alex, what has clearly happened this week, all of the campaigns are saying, okay, now we have to deal with this for a long term, and we have to adjust. We know what jeb bush is doing, fine, we will make it about us and trump, and he sees trump as a way to black out the other candidates, but what about if you are the other candidates scott walker or marco rubio . Well, he is sucking up all of the oxygen and pray for rain. He is sucking up all of the oxygen of the republican wing, and i think that is good news, but a i am not a fan of ted cruz, and i believe that charley is right, because the average winner of the primary caucus will get 40, 41 . So donald trump is not going to be growing to that. In all likelihood, and now he has surprised us, but i dont believe he is going to be the nominee in that sense. And charlie, wall street journal did a piece where they categorized the field, and some are attacking the trump, and a that is lindsey graham, and scott walker, and i am still trying to figure out the scott walker birthright citizenship position, but others are trying to fig for the him, but does it depend what to do and all of them need to change the strategies . No, it depends who you are and where you are in the race. For some people to attack trump right now, it is a good way to get attention. For jeb, jeb in some ways is the frontrunner, although not really in the polls right now, and so the two of them are the two frontrunners in the moment and for them to get into it makes good sense, but the other thing about trumps candidacy, the folks who are angry and frustrate and coming out to see him are conservative. Wait until they learn that guy has been a democrat longer than a republican, and he has advocated for things like partial birth abortion, and universal health care for the government and you cant trust what he says on the issues. I hear that, but why do i have a feeling that it does not impact the conservatives, because i think of mobile, alabama. They dont know yet. But they are also former democrats, alex. Well, it impacts a hunk of the republican party, but only about 25 or maybe a little bit more than that percent. What a real appeal for trump is that he is a manly candidate. It is not alpha. And we know that these are the gladiatorial contests and who is Strong Enough to bring order to a country that is spinning apart. And Kathleen Parker once wrote that barack obama is the first female president , and he is about soft speak and cross iing the lines, and donald trump is the reaction to that, and at the end of the day, he is a Big Government republican, and he does not fit the party. And it is interesting that you brought it up, because David Axelrod brought it up, charlie, and this quote this morning, tr trump is the proverbial strongman, and nobody more opposite to obama, and the vo voters wanted somebody thoughtful and deliberative and now they have had enough gray and they want to go back the black and white, and that is trump. Should the other republican candidates embrace this, charlie . Well, no, you have 70 of the republican primary voter saying they would not vote for trump, and those who are will shrink as they find out about his positions. And ignore them . Well, no, not ignore them, but you dont go into the other guys base to get his vote. I am a friend and admirer of donald trump, but he is not going to be president. And he is making the other guys look small. And you want to cast a big vote and not a small one. It is an interesting challenge for them, and want to thank you both. And now i want to turn to what rand paul had to say about him. And my colleague Chris Jansing caught up with him in haiti, and he did not hold back. People have to decide if they want somebody who is a, oh, she is fat, and im so good looking, and she is stupid and im smart, because i am rich, and we have to deside if we want empty platitudes or if we are going to be look at the substance, and for donald trump, conservatives have to decide if he is a fake conservative, and he is truly a fake kon ser conservative, beca has been on every side of every issue in the last five years. And chriss extensive interview with rand paul is going to be coming up, and so, hello to the panel. John ralston may be the smartest political reporter out west in nevada, and amy walter, and susan page here, and americas newspaper, usa today, and Alphonso Aguilar is running a conservative hispanic outreach group, and i have to say that i will start with you, because one thing that donald trump did is that he threw the issue of birthright citizenship front and center and made the entire campaign have to react. You are right. We knew that immigration would be a top issue in the campaign and it was in the last cycle, but candidates did not expect it so early on they would have to detail the position on immigration. And by trump coming out and calling for an end to birthright citizenship, and mass deportation, they have to express their views. And now, this is an opportunity for some to show that they disagree with trump, and they want to be constructive on the immigration issue, and in that way, get some pull from the latino voters if they become the republican nominee or take the path to say nothing or worse, i agree with trump. If that happens, they are doom ed in the general reelection. And point out to scott walker, because i pointed it out earlier, he didnt know what to say. Well, we dont know, because scott walker, he was for it and then against and then for birthright citizenship, trump came out to say he was for it, and then he came out, and said, well, i am against it, and then they said, he is viable, but after that comment, he is not viable with the latino voters, a and he is done. Susan, i did an entire segment with the assumption that trump is not going to be the nominee, and we are all of the nominee that trump is going to b be the nominee, and we should stop that assumption . Well, i think that it is unlikely that he is the nominee, but it is no longer inconceivable that he is the no, maam knee. And looking at the the reuters poll, and online poll and not a Traditional Television poll, that is what is to be undermining it when it is winnowed to carson and bush, and he got 44 , and that is not only going to win in iowa and new hampshire, and that can carry you quite a ways. What did you get from alex and charlie, and do you feel that you made more sense of it . Well, do i make sense of any of this, no. Susan is right that all of the assumptions have been blown up in our face, but we still have to go back to the political physics, and there are laws of gravity that still kick in at some point. When . And that is the point that we have to remember and apparently, it is mars and not earth, and the gravity is not as strong on the planet we are on. And what you are hearing from the piece and hearing from the voters is that they want to send a message, and at some point they have to cast a vote. And as a message more important to them than winning the election . Because that is the choice. Is donald trump worth losing an election, a general election over as a candidate, if the field narrows, which it are will, it is going to be a tougher debate for him, and it is also the summer. Nobody is thinking about electable, and nobody is thinking about november except for us. Washington, washington, washington, amy. And let me go to nevada, and a guy in america. And finally a real person. Let me talk to a guy who is in america, and actually, nevada is not there, or nevaduh. Well, they were so definitive that trump is the fom e knenekn nominee, and nobody in our business wants to say, i dont know, because he has defied gravity, and the gravitational pull, he is pulling the other republican candidates to say things that are going to be costing them in the general election, and walker example is the best. He is for or gaiagainst, and th best quote, chuck, i dont know if i am for or against, and lets secure the border, and everything is drawn to him, and people dont know where it is going, and as susan is pointing out, many of the assumptions is wrong, and he wont run, it wont last long, and performance art, and we dont know where it is going, and look at that, chuck, i dont nt know. And we dont know. Look at you, reality. We dont know. And the other big story of the week, could Hillary Clintons emails derail her candidacy . Here is what donald trump says hillary. I think shes the worst secretary of state in the [ male announcer ] some come here to build something smarter. Some come here to build something stronger. Others come to build something faster. Something safer. Something greener. Something the whole world can share. People comto boeing to do many different things. But its always about the very thing we do best. Dad yeah, 20 something years now. Thinking about what you want to do with your money . Daughter looking at options. What do you guys pay in fees . Dad i dont know exactly. Daughter if youre not happy do they have to pay you back . Dad it doesnt really work that way. Daughter you sure . Vo are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed . Wealth management at Charles Schwab. Welcome back. As you know, donald trump is happy to share his opinions about his opponents, really about anything. I asked him about criticism from conservatives, that he had been too close to bill and hillary. First of all, nobodys been tough other Hillary Clinton than me. And when bill clinton called me, hi already made up my decision, i understand. He called me long after i made a decision and everyone knew i was running. So, it wasnt like that. I think hes very disappointed im running because im the one person who can beat her. I dont think shell be able to run because this email thing is a horrible thing. General petraeus life has been destroyed and he did 5 of what she did. Assuming she would be able to run, which to me would be an absolute miracle at this point, i will beat her. And i dont see the other people running against me currently you regularly call her the worst secretary of state. I think shes the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. Look what happened well, it begs the queshtion, who was the worst whos the worst after her, kerry. Whos the worst before i insult so many people. I dont want to insult people. I understand. Everything with you is the best or the worst. Theres no nuance. Chuck, during her reign, the entire world fell apart. It fell apart. Du during her reign, look what happened, the entire world the arab spring it on her . I mean, you could sort of say maybe, a little bit. Sort of, right . Thats a big charge. Look at kerry. Now, kerry may top her. That was donald trump on our last two secretaries of state. When we come back, the Hillary Clinton email that wont go away and the growing possibility from joe biden is itching for rationale to jump into the race. Announcer mn meet the press is here is a simple math problem. Two trains leave st. Louis for albuquerque at the same time. Same cargo, same size, same power. Which one arrives first . Hint its not the one on the left. The speedy guy on the right is part of an intelligent system that creates the optimal trip profile for all trains on the line. And the one on the left . Uh, looks like itll be counting cows for awhile. 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I am confident that i never sent nor received any information that was classified at the time it was sent and received. Just yesterday the state Department Said 305 emails have been flagged for further review to see if they contained classified information. I did not send classified material and i did not receive any material that was marked or designated classified. I opted for convenience to use my personal ema account, which was allowed by the state department. In retrospect, this didnt turn out to be convenient at all. I regret this has become such a cause celebre, but that does not change the facts. The server contains personal communications from my husband and me and i believe i have met all of my responsibilities. And the server will remain prevent private. I just provided my server to the justice department. Did you wipt server . With a cloth or something . This is the usual partisanization, which i may have just made up a word, of what goes on. Nobody talks to me about it other than you guys. So to discuss the state of Hillary Clintons campaign and the chances of joe biden jumping in, im joined by howard dean, who ran for the democratic nomination in 2004. He is publicly backing Hillary Clinton right now. Peter hart, a hugely influential pollster, and hes onehalf of the nbc wall street journal polling team we use. Good morning to both of you. Governor dean, let me start with you. The evolving answers here. I dont think the answers are steady. I think theyre steady as she goes. This is manufactured partly by a press thats bored and partly by republicans. She did not break any rules. She may have sent classified that wasnt labeled and the state department is trying to get stuff classified after the fact. She cant be blamed for this. I look at this as the usual press frenzy, the pack journalism, and i think it will go away because theres no substance to it. Youll hear a quoted from jerry brown where he says, this thing is like a vampire, the story wont go away and she has to figure out essentially a way to just stab it and get rid of it. What could she be doing better . Shes . A hide and seek, period. Thats a terrible place to be because its going to continue to evolve, evolve and evolve until she essentially ends it. Shes a terrible frontrunner but shes a marvelous candidate when she gets to the middle of the race. You see her toughness. At this sfaj its all fumbles. Its interesting you say that because that would make an argument that says, joe biden getting into the race may be the best thing to happen to Hillary Clinton. Its not impossible. As i was watching that tape, i was thinking, this is a lawyerly answer. Hillary clinton is an incredible lawyer. More lawyer and not politician. I do work with people that are in trouble and one thing i try to do is have the lawyers not have everything to say about what you present. You have to think about this in plain language. Maybe thats what she needs to do. If joe gets in the race, joe gets in the race. Thats a tough one for him. Hes a great guy, a terrific Vice President but 100 name recognition and hes already behind Hillary Clinton and bernie sanders, so where is his space. Peter, youve been involved in campaigns. What it comes down to, hes the happy warrior. He reaches the reagan democrats. He reaches across more than anybody else. The difficulty is, where is the opening on the field . I think thats his real challenge. You know, 80 said they might vote for him. Only 45 want him to run. And the difficulty is, how do you find that space on the track . And thats what i think challenges you know, he has to get the dough or its no go. You think its money its interesting he did the Elizabeth Warren meeting. What does that significantle i thought for a long time Elizabeth Warren makes more sense in the main stream media. I think shes right about the banks and i think joe is right to touch base with her. Hillary clearly has talked to her because her view are not that different from warren on these Major Economic issues about the top 20 getting all the raises and the rest not getting much. What did the warren message say to you . Obviously, it says theres a constituency there he wants to reach across. What were forgetting are the voters. This election is one part anger and two parts anxiety. And you look at the stock market, theres a drop there. People are anxious. Nobodys talked to anxieties. Everybodys talked to anger. Thats a great point. And i think thats why hillary wins in the end, wins the whole thing in the end because shes a steady person. Theres nobody more qualified in the country to be president of the United States than Hillary Clinton. That is something thats going to be a huge advantage for her as time goes on. Im going to leave the conversation will. We will watch and see. For more on the clinton campaign, a bit in crisis this week, i was joined by a man who knows a thing or two about running for president himself, california governor, jerry brown. You were here in watch washington in march, right when the kerfuffle with Hillary Clinton and the emails was happening. Somebody asked you if this was going to an issue that would just go away. You cautioned, i dont know that. With these things, what makes a difference . You often dont know until it unfolds because nothing is just what it is. Its also in part of a larger context. Things unfold, things happen. Jerry brown, march 2015, august 2015, shes still dealing with it. You were right. What should she be doing better . Well, i dont know. This email thing, it has kind of a mystique to it. An email is an utterance in digital form but it has some kind of dark energy that gets everybody excited. So, i dont know how its almost like a vampire. She has to find a stake and put it through the heart of these emails in some way. But i dont think a leading candidate for president needs the advice of another politician. Generally, they dont follow it. And i think they know everything i can figure out on their own. As a democrat, as somebody who you said you expect Hillary Clinton to be the nominee, do you think she needs to handle this better . Well, i mean, just the facts are out there. How do you handle im telling you, this email business has a certain buzz that keeps buzzing. And i have a hard time figuring out, why is it such a big deal . But it is. And shell have to use her best imagination to deal with it. So, these are things that happen. Its still very early. And i hope she can get beyond this because i think as a matter of fact and laws and ethics, these emails are not what the pundits are thinking they are. Lets go to the other candidates potentially in this race. Would you like to see Vice President biden jump in . Again, youre asking me president ial advice. Fifs hillary, i would say, dont jump in. If i were biden, i was really think of it. Bernie sanders, reminds me of jerry brown 1992. Do you see the similarity . I see the similarity that hes running as the critic of the status quo. Given the general discontent, if you look at surveys, less than 20 have confidence in congress, and only a third thinks the country is going in the right direction. That means theres always an open for the criticings, the outsider and thats what sanders is doing. Do you fully expect Hillary Clinton to be the nominee . I dont make these expectations. Ive been around politics long enough to know things are uncertainpy dont know. I think shes a good person. Shes got a lot of experience but the vaguers of politics are such, i think expectations are worth about that. Okay. Why wouldnt you jump into this race . Because ive got a lot to do in california. Weve got is fires that are burning. We have this budget still to be kept in check. This is the seventh or eighth largest economy in the world. And i find it completely absorbing and challenging. And ive given myself to this job and im going to be fully engaged in it. A lot more from jerry brown. You can see the entire interview on our website, meetthepre meetthepress. Com. Let me bring in the panel. Jon ralston, the lawyerly answer there from dean. Thats what every defense theyve sounded off on. Sounds like a lawyer, not a political consultant. I thought that was terrible from her that governor dean said that, but, chuck, it depends on what the definition of classified is what people in real america are thinking. Even if it wasnt classified, why did she have to do this . Was there Sensitive Information on there . Why did she have that on an insecure server . This is not as governor dean said, a media manufactured story. Its her handling of this. Someone should have given her this advice before that appearance. Nevada, where shes at. Heres the first thing you shouldnt do, hillary, joke about it. Dont joke about it. People, even if they dont understand the nuances, say wipe it with a cloth. You know its going to go viral right away and it did. Is there a competency thing email me saying, its a big deal, but if she cant handle this mess, what does it say about her managerial expertise as 39. It goes to the heart of what her Campaign Message is. Im one of you. Im going to fight for you. The reality is, and this is where the Campaign Still has its biggest problem s explaining why on earth she set up a separate server in the first place. Normal people dont do that. Normal people that work in the government know what she have to do. That distanced her even more and it sets up this sense that she is special, elite. Shes special, elite, shes not going to plays by her own rules. And that to me is a bigger problem. Lets switch to joe biden. Where is this going . On behalf of political reporters everywhere, i would like to ask joe biden and Elizabeth Warren to run as a ticket. I think that would be fantastic to cover. Im 100 you and the rnc. Im totally for that. Peter hart made he didnt make this point but you picked up on it. I think it would be good for Hillary Clinton if joe biden ran because it would give her a really serious pope and at the end of the day, she would prevail. That would be good for her. When was the one time she was a good candidate . When she was under the gun in 2008 against barack obama. So, i do think this would be while some sortterm costs i think the long termite be the best thing to happen to Hillary Clinton. Im looking at this race and its like donald trump is doing everything he can to hurt the republican nominee and the hillary is doing everything she can to hurt herself. The republicans love to talk emails. The democrats love to talk immigration. Well, i dont know. In terms of hillary, jerry brown says this is like a vampire. I think its starting to feel like the entire twilight saga. Look, and i think the point that jon and amy have made is very important. Regardless of if theres a criminal investigation, regardless if criminal charges are filed, the reality is, why was she using an unsecure server in managing sensitive communities . When youre at the state department, every single state Department Official is told, dont use the a nosecure server for official communications. Why did she do it . The other problem she has is she hasnt been forthcoming in providing all the emails and finally the server. So, they look and sound like theyre lying. Let me do short response real quick. Biden or clinton, tougher party for the clinton. Can joe biden put together a competitive campaign if he jumps in tomorrow . Its going to be tough. Hillary have people who have experience with her and the obama campaign. Theyve been smart playing up the hispanic votes. Hispanic vote is going to be huge. Maybe 20 of the elector ralt. I see no chance he could set up a comparable infrastructure in nevada. Amy, thats the thing suspect theres there a path natural constituency. Is he younger than Hillary Clinton . No. Does he have a constituency that looks different you look like ryan lizzy, he says, is it youth . No. Lefty credentials . Maybe. One thing you would put on that list, does he want to run . We know joe biden wants to run. And that means although those calculations may not be i think susan makes a very good point. This is true about trump and biden. We are trying to be logical about all of this. This is emotional. Voting is emotional and campaigns are emotional. That makes this all very, very different. Which is why we all love topics. Thats a passion and hes to it that helps create an illogical way. My sitdown with Carly Fiorina. 80 of the poor in africa are rural farmers. 96 of them are doing rainfed agriculture. 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If youre in iowa and you want to enjoy all the fun of the state fair, you better be quick because today is your last chance. One of the most important people at the fair though these day is not a candidate for president. Shes joni ernst, who may very well may be the iowa kingmaker. I caught up with her last week when i was at the fair. Heres a quick excerpt of where i asked her if she thought the government would be shut down in the fall over funding planned parenthood. I think its very, very important. What do american taxpayers to want see their dollars going toward . The video weve seen have raised very serious issues. There are other ways to avoid a showdown like that in. I think so. I think we can all Work Together to move toward a common goal. An optimistic nonshutdown republican there. You can see more of my interview on meetthepress. Com. Up next, its republican Carly Fiorina. And a little later, check out this Campaign Photo of jeb bush. How exactly did that happen . 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Not being on this phone call sounds good. Its not muted. Was that you jason . It was geoffrey it was jason. It couldve been brenda. We are back. Donald trump is not the only sort of oner from republicans debate night, former hewlettpackard ceo Carly Fiorina was called the winner of the happy hour. Fiorina is hoping to join the big table at next months second debate. I, meanwhile, sat down with her for a middle east the candidates interview yesterday in new hampshire. Let me start with the news of the week in the markets. Youre obviously, as a former ceo, whats going on . Well, frankly, i think its inevitable. I was expecting this a bit sooner. Its inevitable because you have a huge economy like china slowing down, the chinese economy sleerly is struggling now in a serious way. That has a big impact. The Federal Reserve has to stop printing money eventually and people see that coming. Youre running as a political outsideser. I am a political outsider. No, i say that the last seven years, adviser to john mccain, you worked at a fundraising arm for the republican party. That doesnt sound like that sounds like someone who wanted to be a member of the professional class. No, its someone who believes this is a citizen government. Citizens have to be engaged in the process of governance and politics. We need more citizens in politics. We have too many professional politicians. The vast majority of American People say, were delighted you havent been on the inside in washington. Were delighted you havent Held Elected Office before. What all those experiences say is i understand how the process works. Thats important. I have relevant experience. This weekend a column in the new york times, and hes pretty tough on you saying experience can be a badge of honor or a badge of shame. And he said he compared your tenure to the captain who cause the ship wreck of carnival. Captains must also be held accountable. Well, i was held accountable, absolutely and stand by my record. Jeffrey sonnenfeld has been critical since i arrived at hp. Hes a close adviser of bill clinton. Im not at surprised. Hes been saying that for 15 years. The conventional wisdom is frequently wrong. The issue of birth right citizenship came up. Can you i dont agree we should be trying to amend the constitution. You would not amend it. I would not amend it. No, absolutely not. By the way, this has been talked about for 20 years as well. You see, i think donald trump may not be a politician but hes sure acting like a politician in this regard. There are two fundamental things that must be done and they have never been done. We must secure our border. Its not rocket science. Its our job to do it. It takes money, man power and technology. It hasnt been done in 25 years. We must fix the Legal Immigration system which is contributing to this problem. Every single one of the problems i just mentioned has been festering for 25 years but what do politicians do . Every election hykel they hold up a bright shiny object. Lets talk about birth right citizenship. Even if you like that idea, the chance of getting a constitutional amendment passed, the 14th amendment overturned by the Supreme Court are extremely small. What do you do with the 11 million . My own view f you have come here illegally and stayed illegally, you do not have a right to pathway. I think there should be consequence. Do you have admiration for Hillary Clinton . Absolutely i do. Shes dedicated herself to public service. It is also true, however, shes not trustworthy. Shes lied about certain things, benghazi, her email server do you know why do you know shes lying ie ing oying o . Well, for heavens sake. The night of the benghazi attacks we now know that the state department and the white house knew this was a purple, preplanned terrorist attack. Nevertheless, the next morning she went into the state department and she addressed the American People and talked about a video that did not represent the values of this nation. Several days later she said the same thing over the bodies of the fallen. What she should have said was this was a purple terrorist attack and we will secret bugs. You belief she purposely lied . Absolutely i do. In the home state of california, brought, wildfires. More is coming out from the Scientific Community saying Climate Change has made it worse. Whats made it worse is politicians, liberal politicians who stood up for 40 years as the population of california doubled saying, you cannot build a New Reservoir and you cannot build a water conveyance system. So 70 of the rainfall has washed out to sea. Thats pretty dumb if you know you have droughts every three years. The other day i asked jerry brown to responsibility to that exact criticism you made. I said, do you blame liberal environmentalist on dams and reser voirs. Ive never heard of such utter ignorance. Building i dam wont do a damn thing about fires or Climate Change or the absence of moisture in the ground and vegetation in california. I think these people f they want to run for president , better do kind of eighth grade science before they make any more utterances. Thats a lot of insults but it makes no sense what he just said. It would be helpful if you were fighting fires to have more water. Firefighters in california have difficulty getting enough water now, so theyre using other means. It would be helpful to agriculture and Everything Else to have water saved in the good years so that you could use it in the bad years. Im not denying that californias air is dry. Thats obvious. Im not denying there is a drought. But there is no denying that politicians have made this problem immeasurably worst. You at hp made a made it a policy that any job opening that senior job opening you had to swer view a woman. We had to have diverse candidate. Is that a pledge as a president . Yes, thats how you get ameritocricy. Facebook question. Ms. Fiorina, having experience in the Technology Field what would you do to implement true Cyber Security for our nations Core Infrastructure and would you put our nation on a cyber offensive . Yes. So, yes, i would, by the way. First of all, theres a level of collaboration required between the private sector and Public Sector to repel and detect attacks. Theres a bill languishing, frankly, in congress for several years now. We need to get that bill pass sod that level of collaboration is possible. Second, its important to recognize that these Cyber Attacks that have been going on against the federal government system, none of those are a surprise. I chaired the Advisory Board of the cia for several years. Weve known for over a decade the chinese were coming after our most important russians too, i think. Absolutely. We need to make it very painful for the chinese to be aggressive in cyber warfare so, yes. For my full sitdown with Carly Fiorina, including her take on iran, isis and a whole host of other issues, its available at meetthepressnbc. Com. If you cant catch us live on sunday mornings, no problem, were always available on demand. Season pass, you name it or make sure theres no blinking 12 00 light on your cvr. Here it is, even if its not sunday, its meet the press. Coming up, our end game segment. Again, whats wrong with this picture . Heres a hint. Check out jeb bushs left hand. How exactly does that happen . Announcer stay tuned end you can collect rainwater to shower with, but there are easier ways to go green. Like taking shorter showers, which conserves water and lowers your bill. Youll sing long ballads in the rain and short ditties in the shower. The more you know announcer time for end game brought to you by bowing, where the drive to build something inspires us every day. End game time. Reaction to Carly Fiorina, top tier candidate . I dont know about top tier. She definitely belongs in the next debate of top ten candidates. I think shes getting a lot of support from the conservative base, social conservatives. And i think while i dont think shes going to make it all the way, i think she seriously is going to be considered for vp. You think thats what shes running for . Yes. The cynics out there think thats what shes doing. Its hard to believe her as a president ial candidate. Trump has been a surprise. Shes been the most surprising dark horse that has come out and forced us to take her seriously. Look at her answer to birth right citizenship. She gave you an answer. I dont think thats a good idea, gave you three reasons. Straightforward. Trump, carson, carly. Thats the problem. Shes in that field of those other two trying to be the outsider but she has to overtake a donald trump, when shes never going to outbombbast him or trying to be shes trying to be a little outsider but she also says, i also have experience. To be a citizen legislator, i know how this works, donald trump sounds like a rel politician. Although the end of the day, the one Silver Bullet for her, to take her down as a candidate, you run these hp stories. The headlines are terrible. Shes trying to deal with it and she owns up to it. She says, yes, it was ugly. Thats a tough thing for her to overcome. Yes, especially in the paid media. She pivoted off the professor no, no. Kill the messenger. Firing 30,000 people, the disaster that was the copaq deal. She can say it was the dotcom bust, i was in the boardroom with a bunch of guys, thats in the short term. In the long term thats a devastating for someone who says shes not a politician, boy, she was very good in that interview acting like a politician. Youve seen her out in nevada. How is she doing . He was at a forum last weekend and she did very well, i thought. It was just talking to the faithf faithful. One good nugget, she met with Sheldon Adelson who said hes trying to save her candidacy because shes not doing well through the super pac mechanism and c4s. Thats fascinating. This has gotten lost in the president ial politics. Jimmy carter with that heartwrenching press conference he held to describe his cancer. Somebody threw out a question, do you have any regrets. Listen to what he said. And anything you wish, im sorry, that you had not done or that you had done differently . I wish i had sent one more helicopter to get the hostages and we would have rescued and i would have been reelected. I would have been reelected. Every sincele losing president ial nominee, they never get over it. They never get over. Hes 91. This is 30 years later. One more helicopter. I interviewed senator warren hatch and he alluded to his president ial candidate. He had a difficult path there when he ran for president , when was that, 19 dont even know. 2000, i think. You never get over it. Look at mitt romney f there was a path for him this time, he would run again. You get close, its so close. If you only did this, you might get there. Amy walter, theres that famous story that supposedly Walter Mondale calls up George Mcgovern and says, when do you get over it . And mcgovern says, ill let you know. Thats when it came out. You realize, theyre all wired the same way. This is a personality type. This is the person that decides to run for office. These are the things that draif them and the things that drive them crazy which is, they cant get beyond some of those things. We were talking about this earlier, the first person who believed in you, the first person who wrote you a check, theyll also remember the person who denied you 30 years ago. Wrote you off early, said you will never go anywhere. Will never forget that. Fascinating. Carter, that was a tremendous thing. 91, here is he standing in front, unbelievable, president carter, please, please, please, beat this and fight it. Before we go, a Little Something fun. Lets put this up. It created a little viral meme here. Heres jeb bush. Clearly photoshop got the best of the jeb bush superpc. Hes standing with two hands. One appears to be jeb bushs hand, the other appears to be the hand of an africanamerican. We went to right to rise guys who admitted its photo shopped. Heres the real photo they clip arted there. Jeb bush who appears to be at the state fair. You can see, there are shadows there and thats what happened. Alfonso, is it just a funny problem or is it at all say to geez, these super pac guys have to be a little more careful . Look, its certainly shoddy work, bad artwork. But i think some are going to take advantage of it, certainly democrats to make a few cute jokes about republicans and jebs relations with minority communities. But the reality is that, look, theyre afraid of jeb because they know that he has good relations with the latino community. That if he is the candidate, he will be very competitive. Mike murphy said to me, maybe more people actually read it now. At least he didnt hit a kid in the head with a football. There you go. Take that, marco rubio. Thats all for today. Well be back next week because if its sunday, its meet the press. Good Food Delivery Services land millions in new funding as san franciscoens feed themselves on everything. Plus, paying bounties as hacker one and Online Travel sites hit turbulence. Our reporters this week on press here