Voting. Youre going to have a catastrophic situation. With universal mailin votes. He doesnt want an election. Our Convention Coverage starts this morning with senator Bernie Sanders, top Trump Campaign strategist jason miller. Nate silver. And insight and analysis from our powerhouse roundtable. Announcer from abc news, its this week. Here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. Good morning, and welcome to this week. Four years ago, on the eve of the democratic convention, we were in philadelphia as the delegates gathered. All set to broadcast from the Convention Hall as all networks have done since the dawn of the tv era. Not this year. The pandemic thats upended so much of our lives has essentially cancelled the convention, the delegates wont beeakers will be taking a virtual stage. Beaming in from all over the country. In an epic display of social distancing. One thing that wont change from four years ago, the kickoff speaker will be the runnerup of did nomination, Bernie Sanders. He joins us now. Thank you for joining us this morning. Youre in the same position you were in four years ago, runnerup to the candidate who wanted reform not revolution, but your party has been moving your way on many of the big issues. Will you declare victory tomorrow night . One of the points that ill make is that Progressive Movement has been making enormous progress, not only in electing candidates to congress and to state legislatures, but also electing candidates who running for district attorney, who are transforming justice. And also, george, as youve indicated on all of the ideas that we have been campaigning, the right to understanding that health care is a human right, the need to raise the minimum wage to at least 15 an hour, the understanding that Climate Change is an existential threat and that we can create millions of jobs transforming our energy system. You know what, weve made enormous progress in bringing the American People in our direction, especially the younger direction. Not quite all of your issues. Not medicare for all, several of your supporters areup set about that. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib put out a tweet, shes voting against the platform for that reason and actually nominating you for president. Whats your message to them . My message is, were going to continue the fight for medicare for all. We have a Healthcare System today thats dysfunctional, too many are uninsured, too many people are underinsured. Too many people are going banks rupt because of insurance. Function of health care is to guarantee health care to all, not make our profits for the Drug Companies and the insurance companies, that fight continues the day after joe biden is elected president. Kamala harris endorsed medicare for all. Do you believe shes an ally in this fight for medicare for all . Well, i believe kamala is somebody whos incredibly smart, incredibly tough, and i would not like to be Vice President pence in a debate with her. I think shes an asset for the biden campaign. I think shell do great on the campaign trail. Not all of your supporters agree, including your former press secretary, put out a tweet saying, were in the midst of the largest protest movement in the american history, the subject of which is excessive policing, and the Democratic Party chose as a top cop, the author of. I would say that the overwhelming majority of progressives understand that its absolutely imperative that donald trump be defeated, that we have a president whos trying to undermine american democracy, a president whos turned his back on the working families of this country, a president who has done a horrible job in terms of the pandemic, does not believe in science, is not dealing with the existential threat of Climate Change. So, obviously, there may be disagreements. Lot of my supporters arent enthusiastic about joe biden. You know why . I ran against joe biden. But i think theres overwhelming understanding that donald trump must be defeated, biden must be elected. And that the day after hes elected well do everything we can to create a government that works for all of us and not 1 . Last night you called on the postmaster general louis dejoy to resign. Alt his press conference yesterday, the president defended dejoy and said, he pinned the blame, the funding problems on democrats, lets take a look. The democrats arent willing to provide other things and therefore theyre not going to get the funding for that. But you are going to have a catastrophic situation. With universal mailin votes and on top of it, the democrats arent willing to give people the money and the post office the money. Your response . Look, youve got a pathological liar in the white house, which is one of many reasons why he has to be defeated. Three months ago, the Democratic House of representatives passed a heroes bill which would fund the post office, make sure that workers in this country continue to get 600 supplement to their unemployment insurance, if theyre unemployed get at least 1200 and provide massive help to cities and states. To say that the democrats arent working on behalf of working people is another lie from donald trump. But theres a stalemate now in the talks theres not a stalemate. Theres not a stalemate. Democrats sat down, Mitch Mcconnell did not participate in the negotiations. You had donald trump any day could invite democrats and republicans to the white house, he didnt. Their job was to stymie and make sure there were no agreements because half of the republicans in the United States senate do not want to contribute another nickel to American Workers during this crisis. Thats the reality. Whoever is to blame its still a stalemate. Do you have to come back, cancel the recess right now and put more pressure on this issue on the president and his team . Well, number one, im deeply, deeply concerned about trumps effort to undermine american democracy by defunding the Postal Service, and thats not me talking, thats what donald trump said himself a few days ago. He said i dont want millions of people to be casting mailin ballots. Were in a pandemic now, mr. President , people shouldnt have to put their lives on the line to get sick, maybe die, in order to cast a vote. Of course, we need mailin ballots. Here in vermont, on tuesday, we had a primary, recordbreaking turnout. Most of the people voted by mailin ballots. It went perfectly well. What trump parentally believes a low turnout will work for him. He wants to discourage people from voting, from mailin ballots because he think its will work to his favor. Thats pathetic. Thats not what a president of the United States should be doing. So what do you do about it . I think nancy pelosi has a good idea, i think the house should come back and make sure that the u. S. Postal service is fully funded. We got to do everything we can to get rid of this new postmaster general, whos clearly a Campaign Contributor for President Trump trying to undermine the Postal Service and make it clear to the American People, whether youre a progressive, a moderate or a conservative, this goes beyond political ideological. This goes to the fact of whether or not were a democracy. Or well continue to have a president making it impossible for millions of people to vote. I hope the American People say, sorry, mr. President , people fought and day for american democracy, youre not going to destroy it. Lets get a response from the Trump Campaign. Were joined by seniored a viedzer, jason miller. Jason, thank you for joining us this morning. Before we get into the meat of the interview, we extend our condolences to President Trump and his family for the death of his younger Brother Robert last night. Thank you. Appreciate that very much. Its a very solemn here at trump headquarters. I know the president would very much appreciate those words, george. And do you have any idea i know the president was planning on campaigning every day this week, including going to wisconsin, will those plans have to be changed at this point . I havent spoken with the president at this morning. Well probably be putting some more information out there later this afternoon, possibly first day tomorrow morning. No changes at the moment. Lets talk about Bernie Sanders, right now, he said that the president was undermining democracy by defunding the Postal Service, how do you respond . I think, george, you hit the nail on the head, when you asked Bernie Sanders what was his plan to fix this, and he punted to nancy pelosi whos on vacation, the entire house has taken an august recess. Theyre not even here dealing with it. I think its a little disingenuous for the democrats to be making noise on this. Not in february, march, april, may, popping up now. I think whats really going on here is, theyre trying to change the rules and try to institute something that normally takes five, ten years to take place. The fact of the matter is, weve seen universal mailin voting has been a disaster and to rush this everyone remembers the hanging chads in florida in 2000, imagine that in ten, 15 states across the country. In fact, jason, the democrats did take action early in the spring. They passed an emergency funding bill for the Postal Service. Its not just the democrats raising concerns about this right now, mitt romney the nominee for the Republican Party in 2012 has responded to these claims of possible widespread voter fraud. Lets take a look. I dont know of any evidence that voting by mail would increase voter fraud. The good news is that, if there were some allegation of impropriety, get signatures matched with the voters. In fact, thats whats been happening in states where they have had elections. No, not at all. Mitt romney is wrong. Mitt romney was wrong in 2012 and blew the election to barack obama. Which we should have won. Mitt romney should take a look at patterson, new jersey, a quarter of the votes were thrown out. Take a look at Carolyn Maloney, is the winner of that. Look at nevada but let me stop right there, because when the votes are thrown out, that shows that the system are working, the votes that could have been fraudulent, get taken out. If indeed they dont meet the requirements. But to carry on for six weeks afterward, did Carolyn Maloney really win that race . Her opponent doesnt think so. You take a look at patterson, new jersey, a quarter of the vote george, even when your marketplace competitor, cbs did a test run, mailed out cards, a return rate, they had 3 . A state where you have 10,000 votes separating the two candidates like we did in wisconsin last time, youre going to throw a 3 error rate potentially into that. The fact of the matter is, it takes time. It takes upwards of five, ten years to safely and responsibly get this in place. Democrats are now trying to rush this through. And have wholesale changes in five, ten weeks. Even worse, george, take a look at nevada, a bill they passed in the dead of night where theyre trying to allow ballot harvesting, trying to allow people to send in applications after the election date, everyone should have one vote. Safe and secure in how thats done. You cant have ballots coming in up to a week later. This is like tip oneill back in the day holding up the vote until he gets enough votes to win. Thats the goal here for the democrats. In pennsylvania, your campaign has sued the state over the plans for mailin ballots, the judge ordered you to produce evidence that it leads to widespread voter fraud, did you turn that evidence in and what was it . Yes, so for the public examples that have been out there, earlier this year, it went to the mailin voting in philadelphia, you still had a number of people, a large number of people who voted in person in addition to doing the mailin, we also had the example of the philadelphia elections judge who indicted and sentenced earlier this year. Someone who had been scamming the polls earlier this year and making money off of it. What does that have to do with mailin voting . Additional aspects of fraud indicated that in the case. The president , the Vice President , many of his top advisers voted by mail all the time. Your campaign is also encouraging voters in states like North Carolina to vote by mail, doesnt that undercut the president s case . No, not at all. What the president is calling about universal vote by mail. To be clear on this, despite the avalanche of news coverage, this is where we literally have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of live ballots being sent out to people. Look, it could be going to someone who no longer lives at that location, dead people, where dogs and cats have received official communications from registrars, from secretaries of states, it takes a long time for states to put this together safely and securely, and to rush this through its a disaster. They could be doing it better if the president would agree to more funding for the Postal Service. Why arent they back in washington trying to come up with solution. This is all about politics. Respectively speaking i think the media is being taken for a ride by the Democratic Party. They dont want to talk about joe biden heading into the democratic convention. The fact that joe biden doesnt have anyone on the sunday shows talking about his candidacy is because its a complete disaster. 30 years ago, you had a great slogan, its the economy, stupid, one of the greatest in the alltime history. Bernie sanders and Kamala Harris are trying to say, hey, stupid, i want to raise your taxes. The wrong message to be sending coming out of this covid recovery. Right now, the National Polling has him up about eight points over President Trump right now. Actually were in a better place than we were four years ago. Going into, all the trend lines are looking positive. In the Battle Grounds either leading or margin of error. Weve seen a lot of progress. I like where we are in minnesota, michigan, definitely moving in the right direction. Id also point out that joe biden knows that he has real problems with his own base, that he has problems with his candidacy. Thats why hes running advertisements reaching out to africanamericans in the general election. Not something you normally see from democrats in a general election. He knows his base is weak. He had to pick a radical progressive like Kamala Harris to come on his ticket. We feel good about where things are going. The democrats will get a bump this week in the polls for sure, this is something historically democrats get a nice bump from the convention, i wouldnt be surprised if its upwards of eight to ten points, i think it will be a pretty sizable bump. This convention might play well in brooklyn, new york, not so much in brooklyn, iowa. With all the glitz and trimmings. What are you seeing that were not seeing, the polling has biden up in michigan, hes up in pennsylvania. Hes up in wisconsin. Hes up in minnesota where you just talked about as well. By two points. By two points in minnesota. Thats part of the reason well be back in minnesota tomorrow with the president. We think this is a state that we can flip. We lost by 45,000, 50,000 votes last goround. We think this is our crosshairs. The stage is shifting quite a bit. With the terrible leadership coming from the governor weve seen in the state. George, the media pollsters havent corrected their models since 2016. The same way they undercounted trump voters and missed so much nothing fundamentally has changed. Take a look go to the most recent Washington Post abc poll where you undercounted republicans by 27 . The exit polls from cnn and other folks had it at 36 democrat, 33 republican in 2016. And the most recent National Survey that we saw from abc and Washington Post only had 24 republican sampling. Theres no scenario where 27 of republicans have all republicans have all just magically gone pouf and disappeared. Were looking at models that were corrected in 2016, correct in 2020. We feel good about where we are. Finally, before we go, the president was asked yesterday whether he thinks Kamala Harris for the second time is eligible for running for president. Heres what he said. Will you say now that Kamala Harris is eligible to run and be Vice President or president based on being born in oakland, california . I have nothing to do with that. I read something about it. The lawyer happens to be the lawyer happens to be a brilliant lawyer. He wrote an article saying there could be a problem. Its not something that im going to pursuing. During the 2016 primaries, the president raised similar questions about ted cruz, you were working for ted cruz at the time. You responded to those allegations then forcefully. Even Lindsey Graham said that kamala is unequivocally an american citizen. Why cant the president say clear slily, he sees eligible to run for president. He said last night at his press conference its not something thats not what he said. Im telling you exactly what he said. Not something that the campaign is pursuing, not something that we brought up. He did not say shes eligible to run for president. George, he made very clear not something he brought up. Something that the media brings up to him in his press conferences or interview formats. Its not something that anyone in our campaign is talking about. The president said that its not something hes pursuing and not something were interested in it. In our opinion, its case closed. End of story. Its good to hear you, case closed. Your campaign, a lawyer on the campaign did retweet the article that raised the questions about whether or not Kamala Harris was eligible. She wasnt speaking for the campaign, i am. Okay, jason miller, thanks very much. Roundtable is coming up next. Up next, a six for the win series. A closer look at the Battle Ground state of wisconsin. To ke. At walmart, despite everything thats changed, one thing hasnt, and thats our dedication to you and our communities. Were working together, instore and online, through pi delivery, to safely get you the essentials you need. Find a stock basedtech. 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Reporter over socially distant french toast and eggs, voters tell us the issues that matter the most. Unemployment. National debt. Race relations. Reporter in 2016, trump too. But not all voters are standing by their previous decisions. The ballot wasnt even cold in the box and i already regretted it. Reporter she tells us in 2016 she was drawn to trumps hardliner stance on immigration. I feel that hes chipping away at our democracy and hes doing it in plain sight. You said that in hindsight, you wish you had just left your ballot blank four years ago, is that your intention in november or will you be voting for joe biden . Ill be voting for joe biden. I have voted republican for most of my adult life. I dont know if i will ever vote republican again. Reporter trump is also having to defend his stronghold with rural voters. Lynn has a small family farm in wisconsin. Im just a small guy. You dont feel Like Washington is listening. Im not a huge farm, im not a huge business, im not a huge anything, but yet im here day in and day out and right now, i dont feel that thats necessary appreciated. Reporter she tells us come november she may sit out entirely, though shes a fan of president s tough talk. Hes not going to take any crap, hes going to say this is the way it is. Do you think joe biden is capable of that tough talk . I dont nosily know. Reporter biden up in wisconsin by five points. But experts say the state could go either way. My sense is that wisconsin will continue to be very, very close. Reporter prominent wisconsin commentator Charlie Sykes says this could come down to the democrats about to bring out the vote. In aprils primary, inperson voters were met with long lines ballots were delivered to voters, nearly 90 returned and counted. Is there a danger that the president s concerns about mailin voting may actually backfire on him . Im hearing that from republicans that his attack may supress his own bass because republicans in wisconsin have been using mailin voting for many years. Reporter one trump supporter whos been voting by mail, the gop chair in kenosha county. Are you concerned at all that the way the president s talking about mailin voting it may discourage some people from voting by mail. There are people out there they want they want to stick that ballot in that machine and make sure that they hear it beep. Reporter with 79 days left, democrats are trying to defend bidens lead without directly connecting with voters on the ground, a challenge now that the Democrats Convention has gone virtual. Were disappointed that joe biden isnt going to be in milwaukee next week to accept the nomination. Ive heard nobody upset or angry about it. Weve got some time before the election, so were hoping that, you know, joe biden and Kamala Harris are going to be able to come to wisconsin. Thanks to mary for that. 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[ doorbell rings ] paper and packaging. How life unfolds. Concentration in we suppohectic times. Oments, and focus to win the day. Unlike ordinary memory supplements. Neurivas clinically proven ingredients fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. Take the neuriva challenge with our moneyback guarantee nate silver, your forecast coming into the night like so many others, you were more cautious on Hillary Clintons a Hillary Clinton victory but you still had it above 70 , dramatic changes as a result coming overnight. Well, we were scenarios unfolding now. Shell have plenty of votes, shell get a lot of votes, maybe more votes than donald trump, but that leads to her not winning the white house. That was nate silver on Election Night in 2016 when first time it emerged that donald trump was about to score an upset win in the Electoral College. Nates forecast gave Donald Trumps 29 chance of winning in 2020. With National Polling showing the president about eight points behind joe biden, what are his odds this jeer . Fivethirtyeight came out with our president ial forecast model this week. To answer this very question. Please go check it out. Im going to spill you by giving you the answer right up front yes, trump definitely still has a shot at reelection. More specifically, he has a 27 chance, according to our model, which is actually pretty decent. Its like a poker player making a flush draw, or to give a similar to the 29 that the fivethirtyeight model gave to him on election day. At the time, lot of people complained that our forecast was too high on trump. It turned out they were wrong. At the same time, this is not quite the same situation as 2016 were the polls were actually pretty close. This year, trump is not very close to joe biden. He still has a lot of time to catch up. Biden currently leads by 8. 5 and his polling average has been good in swing states in florida and wisconsin. But again, all of that change. At this point in 2004 john kerry led in polls over george w. Bush. In 1988, Michael Dukakis held a lead into early august, but lost it after the Gop Convention and never gained it back. If the election tightens a 10 chance that 2016 repeat where trump wins the Electoral College and not the popular vote. Partly because democrats have a lot of wasted votes in california and new york, where biden is projected to win 25 points or 30 points. Finally, some uncertainties because of covid19. Were not sure what the economy will look like by november for example. The bottom line its simply too soon for a model or anybody else to be confident about whats going to happen. Fair caution. Lets bring in our roundtable, chris christie, yvette simpson, sara fagen and rahm emanuel. Joe biden is the favorite heading into the convention. What does he need to do this week, can the democrats do what they need to do this in virtual format . First of all weve all said hopefully this will be the last convention. Hard to have a convention if you dont convene. The core question, is to continue to do what hes done with the excitement with Kamala Harris. Ba, e, sheeahes moderawing v riles up trump, five, shes drawing trumps fire away from biden toward her. Donald trump isnt going to win by attacking Kamala Harris. He has to hurt in some way joe biden. He hasnt accomplished that. Shes drawing all his fire. In elections when you run for reelection hes trying to repeat in 2016 2020. Successful reelections run a new campaign. Sara, you talked about Kamala Harris. Wide approval for Kamala Harris, 54 . It seemed like she did what she needed to do on the announcement. Its a historic moment for the country. All americans should take pride in that. Having said that she was also painted as a moderate in the rollout, shes anything but,tic joe bidens age, senator harris one heart beat away for the presidency is not the moderate shes been portrayed to be. Yvette, this is the case youre hearing now from the Trump Campaign, that Kamala Harris is not a moderate. You represent the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Lot of progressives werent thrilled by the choice at first. She was not our first choice, she was not our second choice, but we are excited that this is a historic moment because progressives care about Representative Democracy and so, you know, joe biden wasnt our first choice, wasnt our second choice, we do know that Kamala Harris first, democracy for america endorsed her for senate when she ran and we believe that shes someone we can talk to, shell listen. Of all the likely choices she was probably the best one we could ask for. Of course, we would have prefer a Stacey Abrams or Elizabeth Warren to a Kamala Harris. But were excited about her nomination. As an africanamerican women leader im excited that joe biden made the choice to put an africanamerican, Indian American woman on his ticket. To the point that rahm had earlier, that trump is training his fire on Kamala Harris and havent yet landen a strategy for joe biden. Really, george, i think thats just a this week phenomena. Obviously, shes the news of the week this week, so the president is aiming his fire at the news of the week. I think that will change very quickly this week when joe biden is really put front and center for first the first time. Well see him front and center this week. And i think youll see the campaign and the president and, you know, folks like the Vice President training fire on joe biden starting this week and, believe me, joe biden will im sure look upon this week as the good old days when he was shooting at Kamala Harris. I dont think that will continue for a long time. Sara, lets talk more about this, because well see what kind of case is made against joe biden this week. But one of the things that weve seen from the president is, this assault on mailin voting, is that a smart strategy . It has the potential of making a lot of Republican Voters who would vote by mail stay home. Well, i think that theres been some real challenge in distinguishing between absentee voting and mailin voting a challenge because of differences the difference issiificant,l if you think about states like oregon and washington, they have Dynamic Systems in place that, if you move, if you die, youre more likely to get the voter rolls updated quickly. In a state thats not electronic like that, youre trying to jam this in five weeks. Youre going to be mailing out ballots to people in Nursing Homes that may have passed away, people who may have moved. Dent and the cotry is ndy for universal mailin voting, but most states do have absentee voting. And i think republicans should champion nofault absentee voting. We should champion absentee voting in the era of a pandemic, but universal mailin balloting voting is an entirely different animal. Yvette simpson. You know, i think the comments, im still thinking about the president s chief of staff all deflection, all distraction. The reality is, the efforts that postmaster general are taking right now has to do with sabotaging and stealing the election. Help me understand how shutting down sorting machines, cutting overtime, taking, you know, actual taking mailboxes off the streets, are going to help make this election more fair. Donald trump gave his directive, he does not universal mailin voting because he believes it will compromise his ability to win. Hes appointed someone who not only wants to undermine the post office but help him fulfill that objective. Hes been very direct. Its not been complicated or covert. Its been very clear. He should be stopped. I hope that nancy pelosi gets the house together, i hope that the senate goes back and can get a couple of Reasonable Republicans who understand that undermining the Postal Service does a lot of damage to a lot of americans and will compromise this election and will call into question republicans commitment to our democracy. Chris christie, one republican has come forward, we saw mitt romney, in your state a democratic congressman has filed a criminal referral against the campaign saying theyre trying to suppress the vote. Hes probably the most partisan democrat in our congressional delegation. So thats no great surprise. Listen, heres the difference, george, and i think sara put it very well. The difference between absentee ballot voting, where you affirmatively ask for a ballot because you want to vote by mail, versus sending out millions of ballots unsolicited by folks is a huge difference, not only in terms of processing all that mail and then the county clerks processing all those votes in a timely fashion, its a different way to do it. And i think saras right, washington and oregon have put systems in place. I can tell you in new jersey, we had to wait nearly four weeks to find out who our republican nominee for the United States senate was for this election when in fact there was a fraction of the votes cast that in that primary cast in general election in the fall. Also tell you this, the idea of using the pandemic as an excuse for this, in my home state of new jersey we still have people waiting in lines six, seven, eight hours at Motor Vehicle to get licenses, registrations and license plates, our governors permitting that. But however, somehow standing in line to vote is much too dangerous. Standing in line at the Motor Vehicle is okay . Seems to me we have our priorities backward at least here in new jersey and other states trying to do the same thing. George, i think this is all true, but i think the democrats need to redirect their message. You havent gotten your medicine through the mail . Donald trump, thats the problem. You havent gotten your Social Security and youre going miss yourortge paynt or somebe nefit for your healthcare cost . Donald trumps the problem and republicans. Voting is about us in the election. Its about peoples rights. Exactly. Right now this is tied up in the entire package in congress. You want to put pressure on republicans to negotiate, refusing to do now until labor day, change the message to something thats relevant to the American People today not three months, 100 i agree with this. I never knew that the post office was going to become a partisan issue. That democrats are only for checks getting to people or voting ballots getting to seniors. Joe biden is now up the first democrat in 20 years among older people. Lets make this relevant to a very important constiuency. Donald trump and the republicans are stopping you from doing that. Youre not getting your Social Security check . Donald trump and the republicans en youit relevant. Is that a danger for republicans . Thats great political messaging. I appreciate the compliment, sara. But its false. The problems with the post office have been brewing for decades. Theyave 77 billion lost in the last 12 years. Their Unfunded Mandates for their healthcare and pensions are twice their income. This is a system that has been brewing and needs to be fixed, needs to be altered, democrats have fought it. They have fought it tooth and nail for decades because they cant stand up to their unions. Thats a fact. The reality is, i think the timing was bad on this. Louis dejoy who i know, whos a good guy, whos a Smart Business person came in and he came in guns ablazing to fix a broken system and the timing was off, hes being charged as political. If he were political, he wouldnt be going and trying to fix tit. Hell have to wait until after the election to do that. Chris christie, press you on one of the points. Isnt the point even if the post Office Needs Reform that its difficult to do this in the middle of a pandemic and you cant be instituting, you know, no overtime, a ban on overtime, getting rid of sorting machines at a time when people need their mail more than ever . Well, listen, george, we can debate back and forth on whether or not this is the right time to fix the post office, it seems that debate has been going on for 20, 30 years, never seems to be the right time to do it. Listen, people have been in Elective Office that whats going on here is that this is the fight of the Public Sector unions against reform that will make the system more efficient but have less people working for it. Listen the more important issue here again is, to understand the rationale for this, in states all over the country, state governments are failing to have Motor Vehicles open, having other agencies open where people are waiting in line, waiting in line to get their unemployment checks, waiting in line to get their Motor Vehicles registered or their licenses. They allow that to occur. But somehow waiting in line to exercise the most precious vote you have every four years for president of the United States, somehow it cant be done and we have to try to do a universal mailin system when the post office isnt ready for it. But more importantly, george, the county clerks arent ready for this across this country to process all of these ballots. In a timely fashion. If we do this, well be waiting weeks to find out who the president of the United States is. We did see that during the primaries george. Including in georgia, where elections were run by democrats at the county level. Which is ridiculous. When you think about the fact that we are a democracy, its the most fundamental right that we have as americans, the fact that republicans are trying to infringe on that, to limit that, to make it more difficult to people to do that and lets be clear, we know the motivation donald trump said it he wants to stop universal mailin voting, so limiting sourcing sorting machines, taking mailboxes off the streets, limiting overtime, making sure we cant use states cant use the bulk rate for sending out ballots are all attempts to sabotage and steal this election. And no, we should havent people standing in line risk their lives for democracy when we can avoid it. We can fund the post office and make sure we have someone in there not trying to dismantle, but improve it. Yvette didnt answer the question about county clerks. This isnt about the post office. Im assuming that the post office will get it to a county clerk on time. In new york, in new jersey, in georgia, run by republicans and democrats at the county level, they dont have the capacity to do this. They dont have the machines to process it fast enough. In oregon and washington they do because theyve taken years to put a universal mailin system in place. This is not the right thing to do for our democracy, and if shes really concerned about our democracy, if shes an act lat of al gore era, we shouldnt do this on a fly. Whats wrong with every vote being counted . Every vote should be counted, george, but it wont be counted at least until december or january if we go to universal mailin voting, because the county clerks in counties across this country dont have the equipment to be able to get this done and they cant get that equipment between now and november 3rd. George. One thing that i find interesting saras right mo a. Aroemixstitutional problem. First time that shes mentioned. If this was a crisis, he would have put something together much earlier. The only reason hes doing this is to throw a wet blanket on the legitimacy of this election. I would think everybody that, regardless of party or partsanship, would understand the importance of a credible election. The only reason donald trump is doing this today and the only reason for dejoy to hold hostage of resources to the post office is to throw legitimacy on this election. Two points here, the first guest Bernie Sanders said that we were trying to republicans defund the post office. The post office hasnt been defunded. Its democrats want to send more money to it, which is something thats been a pattern in congress for decades. They cant meet their send me ney. Elves . You send more money. The second thing worth pointing out, somehow in the narrative around this election its becoming written and described as people cant vote without universal mailin voting. There are lots of way to vote in this country. Poll workers are going to show up and people who feel comfortable can go stand in line. Most states have an absentee ballot program, people can vote by mail with an absentee ballot and a few states that have been implementing universal voting like utah and oregon and washington theyll do that. There are many systems in place, anybody who wants to vote is going to be able to vote. Yvette, one easy solution is to make sure everyone votes early, the first day you become eligible for voting. Well, lets remember, this absentee process that are encouraging requires two transactions with the Postal Service, many times you have to send in something to say you want to vote and then something has to come back to you. That was the challenge we had in ohio, 14,000 people in my county sent their request on time. Didnt get their ballots back on time, because thats a lot of transactions between the person and the post office. Were going to encourage people to vote as early as we can. There are a lot of people who have challenges. We know that asking someone to put a stamp on something, send it in a mail, put a stamp on Something Else and send it back is equivalent to a poll tax. I dont understand that in an industrialized country like america, where democracy is our fundamental principle, we cant make it easier for people to vote. We dont individuals who are high risk to get exposed. The ability for us to be able to send a ballot out to someone who has said they want to vote, i say i want to vote because im registered. And those who are able to vote will return those ballots. There are people who are equipped and ready to check every single one of those ballots. Now theyre undermining the Postal Service. Where vote by mail in a way where most people are goin their checks in the mail. People arent going to get their prescriptions. To saras point, republicans can find money for the military when they need it. When they doesnt need it. They can find money for ppp for major businesses. Who dont need it. We cant fund the most fundamental office that serves every single american. Chris. Whether youre in corps or rural american. Chris, you get the last word. Saving peoples lives george, yvette should run with the United States senate. First of all, i dont know what theyre doing in ohio. In new jersey, you dont have to put a stamp on anything, its prepaid postage. George, with all due respect the reason why your point is wrong, you can vote on the first day, but you cant count those votes until election day. It doesnt matter what day you vote by mail. I wish i had time. I wish i had time to answer that. Were completely out of time. Thank you all for a great conversation. Conversation. Thats all for us today. Thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. Tune in all week long for the gavel to gavel coverage of the democratic convention. Ill see you tomorrow on gma. Up next, a rare bay area thunderstorm. Lightning seen across the region this morning after another day of record hot temperatures. And good morning to you. Check it out here, live look outside with the clouds. Still some rain, lightning coming down across the bay area, and gusty winds. Its in the forecast for your sunday. And were still going to be talking about heat for the next several days. Join us next weve always put safety first. And we always will. For people. 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