Pillsbury dough boy than a chain saw killer guy. We think that hes the first serial killer on the internet. John robinson had a schtick that he used. Im a wealthy ill take c you. U have a trip of a lifetime, when the reality was she was in a barrel on his farm. Dead. 19yearold lisa stacey and her 5monthold daughter have been missing for 15 years now. Where is she . Where is lisa stacy . Then theres the baby. What happened to the baby . Miraculously, shes alive. For the first time, were hearing from baby tiffany. She has never spoken out until now. Its highly likely you were right there in that room when john murdered your mother. The devil has come the carry me home lay me at the bottom of the river kansas city, right here in the midwest, is right in the middle between kansas and missouri. Theres kansas city, kansas, kansas city, missouri. Kansas citys kind of a formerly wild town during the prohibition era. It was kind of the beginning of the west. People maybe have an image in their head of cowboys and cattle rustling, but its a big city. The home of harry truman. Barbecue and jazz. The first inkling i had of it was id heard that theyd found some bodies in Johnson County, kansas. I just sat straight up in bed. I got goose bumps. And somebody said, well, weve got a body or two in linn county. The energy in the newsroom suddenly jumped. Its one of the biggest stories of the year. It could not have been bigger in kansas city. It was shocking. Pretty soon they said, well, theyre in barrels. Police pulled about three 55gallon drums out a couple hours ago. We do not know where they were murdered. We do not know when they were murdered. And we do not know how long they have been in the barrels. It was like a stephen king novel in real life. The bodies were scattered between the two states, and they were in barrels. There was such horror and grotesqueness. My gosh, thats pretty evil. Pretty evil. The suspect is being held in the Johnson County jail. Hes identified as john e. Robinson. And i said, okay, put that puppy on page one. Robinson is a suspected serial killer who investigators believe may have victims dating back to 1984. This was like the nightmare that kansas city didnt know they had. There were bodies, but no one knew they were there. He had hidden them. Robinsons connected to all these missing women. Including 19yearold lisa stasi. So, all these women start disappearing that are involved with John Robinson. But then theres lisa stasi, and its a whole different story because she has this 4monthold baby that vanishes. Lisa stasi and her baby, tiffany. Tiffany and her mother lisa disappeared in 1985 shortly after meeting john e. Robinson. 19yearold lisa stasi and her 5monthold daughter tiffany have been missing for more than 15 years now. You think every day, where is lisa stasi . Then theres the baby. What happened to the baby . I think everyone thats associated with this investigation wants to know if Tiffany Stasi is still out there, if shes still alive, and if so, where . We had several tips that came in after the arrest. As far as number of leads, im sure were well over 300. The big tip about tiffany was a huge tip. Few people dared hope that either mother or child was still alive until this summer when police made a staggering discovery. Now there are indications tiffany could be alive and nearly 16 years old. Stasis daughter was still alive. I thought i was stunned when i heard about the bodies in the barrels, but, i mean, my head spun. This is primetime thursday. Chris cuomo tells a tale full of twists, turns, and tantalizing clues. No case is more haunting than the mother and baby who vanished together long ago. Good afternoon. Well go ahead and get started that it has been confirmed, and re very comfortable with the fact that this girl is Tiffany Stasi. My sister called me. She always says, kat, get ready. Thats what she said. She goes, ive got some news for you. They think they found tiffany. Its in the paper. What would you like to say . That im very, very happy today that i know finally that my niece, tiffany as we know her, is alive. We prayed to god and god showed us. Our prayers made it possible for them to find tiffany. And i remember the day that it began to ripple through the newsroom at the star that this kid, this child was still alive, and it was like you could see the shockwave going through the newsroom. And all this death and blood and everything. And then, suddenly, miraculously, this girl exists. Shes alive. It was very hopeful. There was a survivor and it was a child. The body of lisa stasi has never been found, as most of you probably know. Tiffany stasi was purportedly adopted by a midwestern family in january of 1985, where she remains today. The infant the stasi family knew as tiffany is now almost 16 years old, living somewhere in the midwest with her adoptive family. The family has asked us to read a short statement for it. And its as follows. Our deepest sympathy goes out to the other families victimized by the events unfolding in the case involving John Robinson. We, too, have been betrayed by this man. You mentioned the body of lisa stasi has never been found. Do you have any expectation that it ever will be . Who knows . Do you know how she is doing, this young woman whos 15 right now . Our understanding is that, as youd probably expect, shes having a difficult time with this and is struggling with the horror of this whole thing. Theres enough drama in teenage girls lives to begin with, but to face Something Like that must have been incredible. Some of the Media Outlets have already shown some age progression photos of what she may look like now. Can you tell us if those are accurate depictions . Thats an easy one for me to answer because ive never seen the girl. In 20 years since this incredible story first broke, this baby tiffany that was found alive has never spoken until now. We are now hearing for the First Time Ever from baby tiffany. Her name is heather, and she is telling us her story. I was assigned this story in 2014, and i reached out to heather. She said she wasnt ready. And i told her to hang on to my number. So four years after i initially reached out to heather, my phone rang, and i picked up, and she said, this is heather. And im ready to tell my story. All right, were going . Were rolling . Tell me about your childhood. It never bothered me. Until i found out what it actually was. Dust mite droppings . Ewww. Dead skin cells . Gross so now, i grab my swiffer sweeper and heavy duty dusters. Dusters has three layers that grab, trap and lock away gross dust. Gotcha and, for dust on my floors, i switch to my sweeper. 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What do you want to find out about your biological mom . I want to find out where she is. I want to know who she was. I just i know nothing of my mother. Thats haunted me my entire life. Do you believe you will find out . Yeah. I know i will. Ill find her. Todays itinerary is, right now, im awake and conscious and getting some caffeine in me. We are then proceeding to ohare, where were going to land in kansas city. The first step on heathers ury was going ba to where the story began, kansas city. Where her mother was born, where her mother was killed, and where a lot of these answers hopefully were for her. I really hope that we can find, at least, the location of lisa, where he put her. At least, i think for heather to be able to say goodbye. Thanks again for flying with us. Hope you enjoy your stay in kansas city. We are here to meet Paul Morrison, who was the District Attorney who tried against john here in kansas. Hey. Hey. Its very nice to meet you finally. Nice to meet you. Do you think, in your experience, ill find where she is if i keep pursuing it . Maybe. Stranger things have happened. Oh, absolutely. And especially nowadays with advances in technology. Yeah, i think you should. Yeah. This is a picture of heather just a few months after she was born, but shes not heather here. She was tiffany. Her name and the entire course of her life changes all because of a man named John Robinson. John robinson was a very interesting man. Originally from chicago area. John robinson was born in 1943 in cicero, illinois, and grew up in a somewhat working class neighborhood there. From everything we know about John Robinsons youth, it was ordinary. He was an eagle scout, he loved animals and got along great with everybody. In fact, when he was a young man, made a trip to england, where he sang for the queen of england. A command performance for Queen Elizabeth at the palladium in london when he was about 13. Backstage at the palladium, he ran into judy garland. She kissed him on the cheek and this made a big story in the chicago papers. In 1964, he was 21 years old, and he met a woman named nancy jo lynch, and they would be married for decades and decades. He got a job at a chicago hospital being a kpa xray technician, but instead of doing a lot of xrays, he started having affairs and stealing money from the hospital. John robinson got a job in the late 60s, i believe, with a dr. Graham, who happened to be Harry Trumans personal physician. He was a very good people person. Smiled a lot. He gave an Excellent First impression. But he had another side to him as well. It was found out that he had embezzled 25,000 from dr. Graham. But we werent the only ones. He went on to have many, many years of embezzlement and other White Collar Crimes. He had this long, long career as this con man. If there was a way to con somebody, Johnny Robinson had already thought it through. Hes always doing a con. Hes always stealing from someone. Time after time, robinson is caught and convicted for these White Collar Crimes, but every time he manages to escape any real significant prison time. 1977, theres a banquet in downto ksacity at one of the holsand they announced that the man of the year was John Robinson for all his great work that hed done. And it turned out that it was his own invention. Nominated himself. Ordered the plaque himself. The whole thing. He made it all up. With a lot of serial killers, you hear the cliche about them living double lives. This guy had five lives. You kind of have to think about his wife and family. They have four children by now, and hes trying to present himself in a very favorable light. Hes the referee of his kids soccer games, hes an elder at the church. I think part of the reason that he was able to get away with it so long was because he didnt look dangerous. He looks more like the pillsbury doughboy than he does, you know, the chainsaw massacre guy. You know, hes very congenial. He smiles. He laughs. He tells stories. He slaps you on the back. Steve haymes was robinsons probation officer. He had his eye on robinson for a long time, knowing that something beyond White Collar Crime was involved here. There was no doubt in my mind that robinson was up to no good. Open an Olathe North High School from the early 1980s, youll see a darkhaired girl with a very bright future. It gets to be 1984, he hires Paula Godfrey. Paula answered an ad in the newspaper for a job. Thats where she met robinson. And she disappears. Her father confronted John Robinson, who totally said, i dont know what youre talking about. All of a sudden, these letters started appearing signed by his daughter saying, oh, im okay, you know, im fine. I just you know, you dont need to worry about me. Youre a parent or a sibling, and youve lost contact, and then out of the blue you get a letter from them, it probably made you feel good at least initially that, well, theyre okay. But en o closer examination, theyd often say, well, this doesnt sound like her. John robinson was a very good predator. Ell. They were looking for some way out of their poverty and their problems. John robinson gave it to them. Hugger . I am. Heather also met with steve haymes. That was a really powerful meeting for her. We ready . All right. Do you want to start out . I would go with how did you come across john . Whether you call it wanderlust, cabin fever, or the travel itch, chances are youve been daydreaming about a getaway for months now. So weve got fares oneway as low as 49. And at southwest, were looking out for you with our enhanced cleaning procedures and by keeping our middle seats open. With fares oneway as low as 49 and no change or cancel fees, you can give in to your wanderlust whenever youre ready. Big heart and low fares. Book now at southwest. Com. [clap, clap, ding] and your friend says they dont want fries. Get them the fries. Or else, your fries. 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He had a hunch back then that John Robinson was guilty of something very serious. And he pursued that. Hugger . I am. So good to finally meet you. Heather, this is a meeting 35 years in the making. Yes, it is. Ive watched my own kids grow up. Ive always yeah, what became of this girl . What happened to her . I was haunted, you know, by that picture. Picture of you and your mom, you know . That ima md. I mean, i had searched high and low through this city, but it all went it all went nowhere. I dont think anyone cared more about lisa than he did, and the fact that all those years he never gave up, which has always motivated me, because i refuse to give up. Lisa stasi was a young woman in a difficult marriage. I met lisa in 1984. She was from alabama. She was a southern girl, you know . And she was beautiful. She got pregnant, and they decided they wanted to get married. This is tiffanys baby book. This is all lisas writing, how she felt about tiffany. When you are old enough to read this, i hope you will still be feeling the love i have for you, because its a love stronger than life itself. And then it ends. After four months theres nothing. Its just blank pages. So, how did it change when the baby was born . I was struggling finding work, and we were having problems. It wasnt working out, you know . She said that shed had a fight with carl and she didnt know what to do or where to go. And so i took her to the hope house. We had a residential facility and housed about 25 women and children at a time. And at that same kansas city outreach program, which was purportedly a program to help downtrodden women. Through this phony philanthropic effort, robinson was introduced to lisa stasi. He ends up putting her up at the rodeway inn. Lisa had left the rodeway inn. She had taken the baby. Robinson was frantic to find her. She was at my house. And what was she saying . She was just telling me about this person, and i felt uneasy about it. Theres this blinding snowstorm. The city is paralyzed. Robinson shows up at kathy klinginsmiths house. Weve got to leave right now. Weve got to get out of here. I was very scared. He loads lisa and tiffany up in his car, leaving behind lisas car, her clothing, baby food, diapers. She went back to the rodeway inn, and thats when my mom got the phone call. She said, they want me to sign these papers, four of them. And i said dont sign nothing. And she was just crying, and then she finally settled down and she says, here they come now. And that was the last time i heard from her. And then what happens . And then she disappears. She disappeared. Forever. Then they get a letter from her. Members of the family all of a sudden receive typewritten letters supposedly from lisa. Here we go again. More letters from a missing woman, just like Paula Godfrey from a year earlier. This is a copy of the letter that was one of the four blank sheets of paper that your mom said she signed. That she had to sign . Can i see that real quick . Absolutely. I want to thank you for all your help. Ive decided to get away from this area and try to make a good life for me and tiffany. Was lisa a big letter writer . No. Typewritten letters . No. She couldnt type enough to type a letter. Did he hurt her . Did he take her baby . The more that time went by, the more worried we got. The more we began to realize that she might not be alive. The rodeway inn was one of the most important stops in heathers journey for sure. Heather was at the rodeway inn with her mother lisa. She was just 4 months old. She was a baby. And the Police Believe that heather may have been there when her mother was killed. When we took heather to the site of where the rodeway inn was, unfortunately it was no longer there. She had everything taken away from her her life, her child. But ive never forgotten this motel. It lingers with me. S so what you doing there, heather . Getting some dirt and grass from the area so i have something. Just something solid, something tangible, something from here. Justice and closure for me is finding her remains and giving her a proper burial. And peace is finally being able to definitively say lisa was a person, this is what they did to her, this is where she is. Ill find you. I promise. Theres this emerging thing in our culture called the internet. If you thought John Robinson was dangerous before, John Robinson and the internet was lethal. He fires up his five computers, and he surfs and sees what he can find. Join tscore savings andet pdeals in store and online. E. Plus, help target support your community. Enjoy exclusives just for you, at no cost to you. Join target circle for free today. Ahonooooo ha noooooo quick, the quicker picker upper bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent, so you can use less. Bounty, the quicker picker upper. burke neigjust an app. Whatcha working on. 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Over such a long period and never really coming back to him. I think police had suspicions. Robinson was investigated as a suspect back then, but charges were never filed. There are people that just want to be gone or disappear from their families, and when Family Members are getting letters, i mean, whos to say that these arent legitimate . Its easy to try and pin some of this on the criminal justice system. John e. Robinson was a charming, practiced liar. He fooled a lot of people in his life. John robinson finally does go to prison, but its not for murder. Its for fraud. He gets a job working in the Prison Library. And the woman who worked there as a librarian was Beverly Bonner, who was married to the prison doctor. Starts an affair with her while hes an inmate. And after he was released, we know that beverly left the prison and divorced her husband. Bonner leaves her family to basically become robinsons girlfriend. Through the divorce arrangement, shes getting about 1,000 bucks a month. And somewhere along the lines, she dropped out of the picture. Long period of time. Later, members of the family started receiving christmas letters from Beverly Bonner, who was traveling the world, having the grandest time. Police say 56yearold john e. Robinson made many contacts over the years, most recently over the internet, in sadomasochistic sex chat rooms. The internet changed everything for us. But the internet also changed a lot for John Robinson. It gave him a new weapon. He will have five computers set up in his home. Now he had the whole world of the online and the bdsm subculture to be his hunting ground. We think that he is the first serial killer to transfer those skills onto the internet. He fires up his five computers, and he surfs and sees what he can find. Polish immigrant Izabela Lewicka also has ties to robinson. They hook up through the internet, and he wants her to come to kansas essentially to be his submissive, and she suddenly disappears as well. Theres a woman in michigan named Suzette Trouten. Suzette trouten picked up and came to the kansas city area in early 2000, and ultimately her case was the one that sort of the whole house of cards came tumbling down on robinson at that point. John robinson was easily able to scam her into coming down here to be the caretaker for his supposedly elderly father, who had been dead for many, many years. Part of what also attracted suzette to come down to kansas city was this alternative lifestyle. Im a wealthy businessman. Im going to take care of you. You can be my slave. And by the way, were going to travel all the time, and go to exotic places and just have a wonderful life. She went down there three times and he took her to the airport in a limousine. She stayed in a guest house. Trouten came here in february, and very soon her mother sensed something was wrong, telling a detroit reporter her emails were strange. Things werent worded the way she would word them. Everything was spelled right. [ laughs ] and that wasnt like her either, huh . No, no. As carolyn did not hear from suzette, she became worried. And worried enough to the point where she decided to make a phone call to the police department. Literally within three or four days, we had a task group up and running. Suzette trouten has two pekingese dogs, peeka and harry, who shes very, very close to. She doesnt go anywhere without these two dogs. Carolyn had told us, if you find peka and harry and suzettes not around, something very serious has happened to suzette. Suzette would never have gone anywhere not sailing, not across town, nowhere without those dogs. We needed to find those dogs. The day suzette goes missing, there is a discovery at the trailer park where John Robinson lives. Two pekingese dogs, abandoned. Animal control is called, so they come and take the dogs. Once the investigation gets under way, a detective goes to visit one of the families who adopted one of those pekingese dogs to find out if it could be suzettes dog. He calls peeka by name. And says, peeka, come. His ears perking up, his tail starts wagging. And the dog runs immediately to this investigator. Its suzettes dog. And suzettes probably dead. Two detectives from kansas come to my office, and they says, do you remember the name John Robinson . I leaned over and opened the bottom drawer of my desk, and i took out a file about this thick, and i laid it on my desk, and i said, yeah, i remember John Robinson. Carolyn trouten and the investigators are pretty confident that John Robinson had a lot to do with the disappearance of her daughter suzette. So, what does she do . She decides to get John Robinson on the phone himself. Who is this . This is john. 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Suzette was very close to her mother, and when she disappeared, within a few days, her mother became worried and she contacted John Robinson, whose number suzette had left uh, all i got was a little note, like a postcard thing saying they were off on off on their adventure. They are trying to communicate with him. To get him to sort of admit wheres suzette . What happened to suzette . Is she still around . I brought along a tape recorder and showed her how to use it. And we were hoping to, you know, orchestrate with her some sort of phone conversation where carolyn could get some information that would help us understand what happened to suzette, help us understand what else may be going on. We havent heard anything in a couple of weeks, and im really getting nervous. Oh, hon, dont, dont you know, i wouldnt get nervous. John robinson told her that suzette had actually left with someone else, that she didnt take the job, and she was going to go away with someone else and travel the world. Im nervous. Suzie always calls me, so well, i, from what i understand theyre on a boat somewhere and she couldnt kind of hard to call. And in that conversation youre able to hear, almost even see, johns wheels turning. Moms calling about her missing daughter. How do i cover for this . Im really getting very nervous about this. I dont know if i should maybe call the police or something. Why . Well, because i havent heard from her, and thats hon, shes a big girl. And you can hear him skip a few beats and be a little bit stressed about this conversation that hes having. And then very quickly get his game on and kind of turn into the smooth as silk. I wouldnt worry. Im sure theyre fine. I hope so. I think theyre probably having a wonderful time. And you dont think that i should, like, notify somebody or something . Why . Hon, i wouldnt you know, i really wouldnt worry about it too much. Im sure that when they hit the next place, theyll send us a card or call us or email us or something. It was chilling, because he had answers for everything. He didnt skip a beat. He called her hon and warmed her up and made her believe that her daughter was on the trip of a lifetime. Soon in the investigation of Suzette Troutens disappearance, Family Members began receiving letters. Some of these letters came from kansas city. Then other letters came from california. Relatives would actually get birthday cards from from suzette. You know, i remember your birthday. Blah, blah, blah. But all along they said, this is not the way suzette writes. In fact, in one of the letters that they received, one of the dogs name was misspelled. And they knew suzette would not misspell the name of her dogs. John robinson had a shtick that he used with these women. Im going to be taking you traveling. Were going to be sailing yacht. Or were going to fly to europe. When robinson told one of his employees or mistresses, youre going on a trip, that was, was not a good thing. Youre gonna be so busy on this trip. I want you to write some letters right now. Heres some blank pieces of paper. Sign your signature to them so well have those ready. And he would actually get these women to write these letters, sign blank pieces of paper with their signatures. As part of the investigation, we decided we were going to pull his trash at his home. We would get the trash, switch out trash bags, and bring it back to the station. First time we pulled his trash, we had one sack of nothing but shredded documents. We actually had tables where people were putting shredded pieces of paper together, taping them together. And it was a bonanza, because one of the documents we put together was a storage locker in raymore, missouri. They started surveilling this storage unit very closely. They wanted to see him going in or out. Why did he have this . What was going on there . What was in this storage unit . He was bringing in women from all over the country. And he would put them up in these hotels. It was nerveracking when these women would come to town. Wed have people following John Robinson. Investigators would rent the adjoining room in a hotel when he was having one of his trysts with one of these women. And wed have this little fear that something might go wrong. We had a contingency plan for if he drove one up and down to his farm in la cygne. We didnt want him taking somebody down there and killing them while we were developing this case. Towards the end of the investigation, we learn that there was a young female that he was trying to lure down to the farm, and thats when we decided that we have enough and were not gonna let it go any further. And we thought, its time to pull the plug. Robinson was taken into custody at the Santa Barbara estates Mobile Home Park in olathe, where he lives with his wife. Two detectives went up, knocked on his door, and was invited in and talked to him. Z they escorted him out in handcuffs. 56yearold john e. Robinson is accused of aggravated Sexual Battery of two outoftown women he met on the internet and taking more than 500 worth of sex toys from one of them. Further charges are anticipated in this matter within the next few days. They arrested him. They were escorting him out and he said, well, you are guys are making a big deal out of this. They then took him to the police station, showed him some of the pictures and stuff we already had on him. He lost a little color. Turned a little white. The weight of his history was coming to bear on him right then i think in that moment. Like, oh, my gosh, they know. He called a lawyer and said, we need to talk. Investigators know that John Robinson has killed many women at this point. But they dont have enough to convict him. The clock is ticking to build a case, and fast. Because this is a man whos gotten himself out of a lot of difficult situations. And they know if they dont find these bodies that hes going to get away with it again. And hes going to kill again. We had a lot of information that led towards it, but to the actual murders, no, we didnt have anything. Heathers birth mother was killed by a serial killer. But it gets even worse. Because were about to discover the secret connection between he thinker and her mothers killer, and its all in the family. What was the adoptive familys relationship to robinson . Were not releasing that. What is the accurate way to refer to these people . I mean, obviously they knew him. Theyve known him for a long time. When we found out that, who it was that was raising our niece, its just an unbelievable story, isnt it . 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The bodies were scattered between the two states and they were in barrels. The devil has come to carry me home these were completely innocent people and he beat them to death with a hammer. The devil, pure and simple. It was like a stephen king novel in real life. Robinson is a suspected serial killer who may have victims dating back to 1984. John robinson kills lisa stasi, then takes her 4monthold baby, and gives her to his own brother to adopt. You were that missing baby they had been searching for, and you find out this uncle is being called a serial killer. The devil has come to carry me home had he not been caught . I would be dead. I would be in that barrel. Heather was prepared to get some bad news as she was digging into her mothers story, but i dont think she was prepared for this twist. In the middle of the night i received this letter that completely changed everything. The devil has come saying that she was still alive. Meet me at the bottom, the bottom of the river john owned 16 acres or so down in linn county. And our surveillance, through some of the phone records, we were able to see that on march 1st, he had been down there. March 1st is the day that suzette went missing. I can remember in the briefing saying, look, theres a very real possibility that this is going to be a capital murder case. Nice to meet you. Im heather. Heather, im dave. Nice to meet you, dave. Rick roth. Wow. You ready for this . Yes. Heather met with rick roth and dave brown, who were two of the detectives that handled the John Robinson investigation, and the two of them took her around to several different places in kansas city, including the farm. Looking at that farm, we were down there looking for evidence of suzette or suzettes belongings. We hoped that wed found something thatd help us find suzette. We searched all morning long. We had the dogs out here searching. Its a very rural area, kind of out in the middle of nowhere. Which i suspect was just what he wanted. This was all farm country back then. Back there is the pond. I was going to ask. That was the pond. A dam was broken to empty the pond as part of a hunt for human remains. At approximately noon, after a break and finding absolutely nothing, i was contacted by one of the handlers of the cadaver dogs who wanted us to go move some trash where the dog kind of gave a hint. And this was outside of the trailer. Theres a little house there and some barrels. As Sergeant Roth was rolling the barrel out, it fell. Then when it fell, a thin line came down the side. You know, it was just a thin red line. This fly went boop and landed on that red line, and we knew right then and there that thats thats blood. Once we looked in there, we saw who we believed was Suzette Trouten. Then the second barrel was all of a sudden very interesting. Opened that up. There was a second body in that one. We immediately thought Izabela Lewicka. Being on the farm was actually one of the most emotional moments for me. Because it was like a Burial Ground that wasnt ever acknowledged. Evil lived there. People died there, people were brutally murdered there. And you could feel that. Tell me what it feels like to be here. Its offputting. Its sad. Its just sad that it took one mom nonstop persistence to finally get something to come. Does it make you sad for your mom . Oh, absolutely. Just kind of the part of history, part of my own. Just being here, the dreaming of it, thinking about it, seeing it and all the images, wondering if maybe she was buried here somewhere. The farm was a place in time in johns crimes that didnt include her mother. Unfortunately, there were no answers there about her mother. Why would you commit these murders and then save basically the evidence and incriminate yourself . Most people would commit a horrible crime, you want to get rid of the evidence. He had that mobile home on that acreage of land out there, and these two barrels. Thats taking a risk. But, see, to psychologically relive his crimes. Vehicles leaving the scene, an indication the search is winding down. We loaded the barrels into a truck and then transported them to be autopsied on sunday. Monday morning, they went into the storage locker in raymore. Searching eight hours through a storage locker owned by John Robinson proved the linn county murder case gets more interesting by the day. They get inside and there are three barrels. Someone has put down kitty litter to try and kill the smell. And the barrels are in a somewhat state of disintegration. These barrels were different. They had been there a while. Inside the three barrels, they found three more bodies. We wondered if they might be the missing women from the 1980s. It turns out the three bodies were beverley bonners, the Prison Library that john had met and sheila and debbie faith. These were different women we didnt know of at the time. John robinson sending letters and emails to the different Family Members of all of his victims were to put off the families, to delay them and, in fact, in the faith and bonner cases, they never contacted the police department. Police identify them as mother and daughter, sheila and debbie faith. They havent been seen or heard from since 1994. Debbie was 15 then and confined to a wheelchair with cerebral palsy. They have a little over 1,000 from the government to live on, plus food stamps. Theyre in pretty desperate straits. John says, come on out here. Ill take care of you. Ill take care of debbie. They pack up, they drive out to the kansas city area, and he connects her to a post office box in olathe where her subsidies will come. And suddenly theyre gone. And nobody really knows where they are, but the checks keep coming in. He will pull 80,000 plus out of that mailbox over the next few years. We realized, my gosh, who is this John Robinson, and who else might there be . We executed a flurry of search warrants at John Robinsons house and office. In his office in his home, we found a photocopy of that rodeway inn receipt from 1985 with the name lisa stasi and the room number on it. We were able to find blank letters with suze signed at the bottom of it. Exactly what the letters looked like that the families had received. We found photocopies of the letters he had already sent to family. Everything fell into place. It put everything together at that point. John robinson began murdering these women for money, but he eventually just started killing for killings sake. So, why did he murder all these women . Only John Robinson knows the answer. For two months, all we thought about was convicting John Robinson of his crimes. Our goal is to prove that he had done it, and we knew we had him. We began to look into these missing women from the 80s. 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Im doing okay. Heather is doing a podcast, and her first interview and her adopted father, who tells her about the night when both of their lives changed forever. Got a phone call in the middle of the night. Saying that theres problems, that it might have something to do with heather. The phone rang once, picked it up. I heard my dad so immediately i hit the mute button. Thats when i heard that john had been arrested, and the only part i remember hearing was they believe that he may be connected to heathers mother. And then i got off the phone and then they freaked out. I remember freida running up and down the stairs, panicking. How could he do this to us . Were gonna go to jail. This is horrible. Our lives are over. And that was the first time i ever saw my dad cry. The chicago fbi went to the home, talked to them, received the timeframe and everything else, recovered some adoption papers and information like that, that we would eventually look into. And so the fbi knocked at our door, and we talked to them, we agreed to go to the fbi office when they needed us to, submit dna samples and fingerprints, got your finger prints, your footprint. We got all inked up. Yep. Officially, we didnt know until they compared her footprint with a footprint from the hospital records. We had a tentative i. D. After that, and then, of course, later on through dna they were able to confirm that this was tiffany. After that, heather starts reading all she can online about the arrest of John Robinson. So incredibly, at the age of 15, he think you heather learns that her mother was killed by a serial killer and that serial killer was her uncle john who took her and gave her to her own brother, don. The idea of tiffany being adopted out to robinsons brother came as a bombshell to us. What kind of individual would kill a woman and then adopt her baby to a brother . You were just 15, and you find out this uncle is being called a serial killer. Whats going through your mind . Whats going through your heart . It was kind of confirmation. It was reassurance that i wasnt crazy, that that offputting feeling, that horrible vibe and Energy Around him was very real, and i wasnt making it up in my head. When i was 14, 15, i know it was prior to him being arrested we had gone to florida for one of his kids weddings and then when we were there, we were both on the dance floor. It started fine. Thats when he pulled me against me started grinding on me, body flush, then asked me if i had sex, if it hurt. If it hurt, if i liked it. And then hes like, i know things are really rough between your mom and dad, ill tell you what, you message me, dont tell anyone, ill send you a plane ticket. You come out here. Well get things situated and settles for you, and well go from there. So you were considering going down to live with your uncle john . Im pretty sure it was month before he got caught that i was going to start asking, can you just get me the plane ticket, ill come down. Had he not been caught and you had moved down to kansas to be with him id be dead. I would be in that barrel. Shes a teenager, and then she learns for the first time that basically her whole life was a lie. En why, must have just been tremendously hard for her to deal with. John actually created an entirely different history for you. You had a different name. You had a different birthday. Yeah. He had said i was born october 12, 1984. I was actually born september 3rd. Just more punches to the gut. Mmhmm. The october birthday really hurt. I love halloween and i loved having my birthday in october. My first time celebrating the september birthday would have been my sweet 16. I celebrated that locked in my room, crying in bed, wishing i was dead and that i had never been born. That was my sweet 16. Knowing what john did to lisa and knowing that he adopted tiffany out to his brother, i dont know how anyone would be able to understand johns mind. What satisfaction, what emotional response he might have to seeing heather, year after year. As heather grows up, john knowing, knowing full well what had happened, what he had done. I certainly cant fathom it. Are they legally the parents . Well, its our position obviously that there was no legal adoption. In their mind they believe they legally adopted this little girl, but it was not a legal adoption. On the day he brought you there, i still remember that picture. Yeah. Every time i look at that picture im thinking, was it an hour before he killed your mom . Was it four hours before . Was it the day before . Sweetnsour, spicy buffalo, tangy bbq. Each mcnugget, a chance to diversify your sauce portfolio. Ba da ba ba ba is it our 80year heritage . Or is it the fresh taste, born of farmgrown ingredients . Actually, its both. 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Its like walking down a dark alley in the middle of the night while you know someone is behind you, approaching you closer and closer. So you felt like there was evil there, even when you didnt know that word. Mmhmm. You just felt that dread drop into your stomach. Johnson county prosecutor Paul Morrison says the midwest family who thought they legally adopted this little girl Tiffany Stasi was duped, allegedly by john e. Robinson. So how long had you been trying to have kids . Wed been trying for at least five years. It just didnt work out. So we started looking at adoptions. They kind of let it known in their family that hey, you know, were looking to adopt a child. Robinson basically told them, you know, hey, i know a lawyer that does adoption work. I think i can help you out with that. This is where robinson brought you. Your mom made a couple of phone calls from here. And made mention that she was signing papers. And that was the last that anybody ever heard about your mother or you. The last time that Police Believe lisa stasi was alive was going to the rodeway inn. And at that time, heather was tiffany and she was just 4 months old. She was a baby. And the Police Believe that heather may have been there when her mother was killed. No one knows exactly what happened, obviously, in that hotel room, but its highly likely that you were right there in that room when john murdered your mother. If not murdered, at least taken from her. No one seems to know the details of what actually happened. I probably witnessed her murder. Mom was probably bludgeoned to death literally the day that kids handed over to don. He contacts his brother and says he knows of a woman who had killed herself in a hotel room as part of his connections. This babys available, so come down. Literally that next day, his brother and wife come into town. And theres John Robinson, without lisa stasi of course, with that baby. Theres a family picture, in fact, of him taken that day of women a big grin on his face, bouncing that baby on his knee, with all the other Family Members. I still remember that picture on the day he brought you there with your folks in it, and youre bouncing on his knee. Mmhmm. You know, every time i look at that picture im thinking, whats he thinking . Was it an hour before he killed your mom . Was it four hours before . Was it the day before . And there he is, grinning like a cheshire cat for that picture, you know . Yep. Of course they never met the lawyer. But he had the paperwork, and they signed it. As far as the actual adoption papers, that looked, as far as we knew, perfectly legal. He told his brother that it would be several thousand dollars in quoteunquote adoption fees and provided a bunch of phoniedup paperwork to him, including a certificate of adoption from the probate court, the Johnson County court. So for 5,500, he has just made the mother disappear and handed the child off to his brother, who has no concept of whats going on or anything john has done. My brother was an excellent forger. He was an artist when he was young. He still is an artist. We were all really a little skeptical and wondering about, whats the brothers role in this . And we looked at him more. And i think that became pretty obvious that his brother was just another victim of all this. Its our belief that this adoptive family had no knowledge of any criminal activity relating to the adoption of baby tiffany. They believed they were the legally adoptive parents of this little girl, but it was not a legal adoption. The infant the stasi family knew as tiffany is now almost 16 years old, living somewhere in the midwest with her adoptive family. After its revealed that heather is alive and that the adoption was a complete fraud, the question becomes, should she remain with the robinsons, her adoptive family . 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We first reported on this story in 2000, and chris cuomo was the correspondent that had been assigned the story. Does my daughter know that im alive . I heard they told me yes, but i dont believe th rht now, you know. And i believe if she knows im alive, shell want to meet me. I feel that. Can you just tell me what kind of house she grew up in . Can you tell me did she have a good life . Was she abused . What does she look like . Anything, can you tell me anything . Whats worse 15 years of having to deal with a loss or now knowing that your daughters out there . You know, its probably worse now. At least the 15 years i didnt know, i held that in. Now shes alive, and im not seeing her. Carl stasi is angry. He wants to see his daughter and he feels he has every right to see her and be in her life. Lisa stasis family really strongly believes that they need to do whats best for heather. If our granddaughter is safe and happy and these people had nothing to do with lisas disappearance, and theyve taken care of this child, we dont want to take her away. But we want her to know that were her family and we love her. The robinsons are now being very protective over heather, understandably. And theyre trying to do everything they can to keep her safe, including not allowing her initially to have any meetings with lisa stasis family or carl stasi. I was still worried that theyd be taking you away from us. Youre my daughter. I love you. Do you feel for them . Maybe the familys so petrified of losing their daughter, they dont want to let you in because you hold the key to taking her away. Well, i dont i dont care about all that. I care about, its my daughter. I just want to meet my daughter. You know, my daughters alive. I have a right to see her, and i want to see her. If were going to avoid creating a further tragedy in this incident, were going to have to let Heather Robinson come into this situation and meet these people on her terms. I want to ask you specifically about you connecting with your biological family. The stasis the only biological family ive had anything to do with is lisas, and that would be her mother. Heather was thrilled at that point. Apparently a very joyous reunion. I did love her. She taught me to not have hate in my heart and to forgive john. Because she did. And i never could understand, and unfortunately i didnt understand it until after she died, so i never got to have that conversation with her. Did you ever have any kind of relationship with your biological father . I had been openly asked, well, dont you want to know who your buy logical father is . I said absolutely not. Why . I just inside in my heart have a dad. I dont need another one. Don robinson writes this incredibly touching letter to heathers biological father, carl stasi, saying that he really wants to do whats best for his daughter and he hopes that they can all understand that and respect that. He asked, you know, heather really wants to know why was her mother in a shelter . Why werent you with her . This is really upsetting her. Did he ever answer . No. The stasi family, you know, apparently didnt make any moves to you know, to pull her out of the home that she had grown up in. The best interest of the child was for her to stay with the family shed always known. 18 years after the murder of lisa stasi, John Robinson goes to trial for the murder of three of his victims. Hes facing the Death Penalty. One of the most horrifying things that happened, the moment when prosecutors played a tape of john and one of his victims. He sat up, and he was straining to get a better look. Is now a good time for a flareup . Enough, crohns. 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I mean, he came in in his suits every day, and he just, he looked like somebodys father and grandfather, which he was. He looked like a mildmannered, unassuming looking guy. It just goes to show you, looks can be deceiving. The case is just massive. It was over 23,000 pages of police reports. I think we ended up calling well over 100 witnesses. A lot of lab stuff. A lot of science in that case. As far as the way John Robinson killed his we could tell that from all the autopsies. During the trial, there was a lot of things that were difficult to hear about or to watch. One of the things that stood out to me was a videotape of John Robinson and Suzette Trouten in a sexual encounter, and they played that for the jury. We thought it was important for the jury to see his m. O. And what kind of control he had over these women. The 39minute tape was very graphic and very explicit. Suzette was playing the role of the submissive person to her master. And he was very cold and flat in his commands to her of what to do next. He was a control freak. He kept saying to Suzette Trouten, youre mine. It was obvious that he really liked being in control of women. There were a lot of jurors, myself included, who, you know, kind of turned our heads from time to time when we felt like wed seen enough. John robinson, during the whole trial, acted like a businessman at a meeting. But when that tape was played, he sat up. And he was straining to get a better look at it. It was the only time i saw him show any kind of interest in what was happening. I dont know if he was getting some kind of pleasure in reliving that. But that was really disturbing. His wife and his daughter christy apparently stood by him. They sat right behind him, and they sat there and listened to people talk about these sexual encounters, explicit sexual details. I couldnt believe what i was hearing. And she sat there so stoically and listened to this. He fooled them the same way he fooled everybody. And thats why he was so fundamentally dangerous. After the prosecution was finished with their case, i cant remember how many weeks that took the defense took, i believe, half a day. The defense was more, i thought, about saving him from the Death Penalty rather than saying that he was innocent. It takes jurors less than a day to hand down the verdict, guilty. And a few weeks later, that same jury delivers a death sentence. He was such a con man. He had conned Beverly Bonner when he was in prison in missouri. We were really afraid if he was just given life that the same thing would happen. John robinson committed crimes in both kansas and missouri. So he had to Face Criminal Charges in both states. After his trial wrapped up in kansas, the case then had to be handled in missouri. And they actually offered him a deal where if he pled guilty to the five murders, that he would avoid a death sentence. I know some people felt like they should have gone ahead in missouri and tried to get him convicted of and sentenced to death as well. Kansas hasnt executed anybody since 1965, whereas missouri pretty routinely carried out executions. So theres some thought that, if he actually got convicted of and sentenced to death in missouri, he likely would have gotten put to death. Would have been executed. Whereas in kansas his appeals are still slowly moving along. I tend to think that justice was served because this had to be one of the busiest criminals with more fingers in more criminal activity than anybody ive written or read about. So the idea of him in an eight by ten cell for 23 hours a day, locked up on death row with nothing to do has to be a form of torture. I would like to think that hes experienced some suffering himself, because he imposed an enormous amount of suffering on fellow people. As part of heathers journey to learn more about her mother, lisa, some of her extended biological family came to kansas city to meet her. Hi, baby. We all came here to meet heather, and we havent seen her for, like, 18 years. Hi. We want her to feel the love of our family. Thats why were here. Good to meet you finally. You too. Heather didnt even know that her mother had a stepmom. And she met her for the first time. Do i resemble lisa at all . Some, yes. Mmhmm. You do. Lisa smiled a lot. She was like this a lot, you know . Your mother was awesome. She loved me to death. Im sure she would have loved you. I know it. I learned a lot about lisa. Ive never felt more like my mothers daughter than i have recently. She was like my best friend, i guess. For a long time. Your mom and i always talked about that we were going to marry twin brothers. Didnt get to do that. Thats not your fault after the cameras stopped rolling, one of heathers Family Members dropped a bombshell. 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This is a 42page typed letter from lisa stasi, the girl who didnt type. Heather gets this letter and she is shaking and she immediately picks up the phone and calls steve haymes. Thank you for coming out. Come on in. Were other letters sent to the family that were this elaborate and pages long . No, im not aware of anything like that. This is the last page. It starts like this. Steve haymes, who probably knows robinson better than anybody, took one look at the letter and said, this is John Robinsons work. This is his m. O. I just without reading the whole thing, i just see here, you know, and her last paragraph that, robinson helped me. He helped my daughter and he helped his brother. Thats the type of selfserving things that, you know, he would to try in his other letters. In the supposed letter from lisa, she writes a very convoluted story where she says she is still alive, but she begs her Family Member not to tell anyone she is because she says her life would be put in jeopardy. So this Family Member keeps this letter secret for ten years because she really believes that lisa is alive and she doesnt want to be responsible for lisa getting hurt. I could understand how if someone else got that letter, it would be very easy to believe, and i can see why they took that almost at face value, because he was very good at taking the truth and then manipulating it in a way that you would believe. That if you turned that in or gave to it anyone else, you are jeopardizing lisas life. Were in Johnson County. Were about to meet with the District Attorney. And to take the new evidence that we discovered to them and see if theres anything they can do with it. Incredibly, there is one more big twist to this. Those letters were written when John Robinson was behind bars and on death row for years, so how would he have written them . How would he have mailed them . Did he have help . This is what the District Attorney is trying to find out. But in the meantime, heather is left with even more Unanswered Questions about her mother. I traveled with heather and roberto to the border of alabama and tennessee to a graveyard where her grandmother patricia was buried. Lisas remains are not in that cemetery. Theres a headstone that was placed there in honor of lisa. Everyone needs a final resting place. Everyone needs to be known where they lie, and if we are able to find lisas remains, we want to have her laid to rest with her mother to bring the family whole again. What does it feel like to be here . Empty, numb, defeated. Because i though by the time i came back here id be burying my mothers remains. Heather is painfully aware that underneath that beautiful headstone, her mother is not there. I think she cried tears that she needed to cry from her past 20 years. She finally let those walls come down, and she allowed herself to feel. I had hoped that not only was this journey to help me find answers about lisa, i wanted to try to heal and give closure to everyone else that was involved. I want to openly speak about my mother. I want everyone to know lisa existed. I will never stop trying to find her. I will never stop. Hopefully one day we can fill it. One day. Another viral video over a black lives matter sign. This time a bay area man catching heat. Why President Trump said