Changed . Certainly, the infection is spreading through our state. Most have made all of us stand up and wonder, if were going to say its not safe to be inside of a restaurants dining, why would we think it will be safe inside of a classroom with the kids and with a teacher . And so i think the spread of the virus caught our state laet leaders by surprise, there is a reevaluation at every level including if our kids are safe to go back to. It is a political batlet. President trump says he wants schools opened and number, kids being able to attend each and every day. The science should not stand in the way of this. That was her quote. Although later on she says the science is on our side here. What are the 69 signs you are looking at. We have heard from them as welted and the tests should not be because i want one thing or another to happen. It should be is it safe for our kids and our community. Tat should be the standard. None of us want to see political dictates from any direction, left, right. When want to make choices based on science and data and automatic data point to the fact the virus is spreading throughout california. We have not flattened any curve. The trajectory is only unas we see it today. So why would we want to put anybody in jeopardy in those circumstances. So i was happy to see the superintendent of schools clear about it. He recognizes the virus spread. Would you put your kids to school under these circumstances or teach in a classroom full of kids and feel you would be safe. When you look at it from that basic level, i think are you questioning whether its the right thing to do now the fact of the matter is the governor up until now has said all the School Districts get to decide for themselves. Its quite a quandary, they are not Public Health experts. They are trying to do what is right. They know a teacher in front of the room working with kids is the best and i think they recognize it. We do as well that Distance Learning is not the best education. You do make a good point, right, the School Board Members are not medical doctors, yesterday they have to make these choices district by district, leaving the teachers and parents to argue over fighting painful battles, in some cases parents tearing each other apart, infrastructure. You start with distance. If you move into the next phase, these are the numbers have you to have. So do we expect that to come out tomorrow . Because we do know Governor Newsome is going to offer i dont know if we should call them guidelines, maybe theyre mandates. We know he will Say Something how they reopen schools. What do you know . Well, i am hoping they are going to be standards, not guidelines. Hes used the guidelines routine the last few months. It hasnt worked. We seen where you have given it to counties, i am hoping its going to be a clear standard for what will be unsafe for our kids. Well wait and see tomorrow how important is it to have rules to say they want to do hybrid and in person. Doesnt that leave the districts liable to safety that they werent watching out for safety, things like that . I think it does. We want standards because we want them to be based on health and safety. Thats why i hope the governor does do. Heres something else, its really important, is that we are fighting this covid19. Its going to be an unand down fight for many months ahead. What we really need is for the public to have trust in the decisions that are made, the standards that are set and know that if you are on one side its good, the other side is bad so when decisions are changed, people understand why theyre changing. That means they will have trust in that next decision that comes and the next one after that when its broader than the schools decision it goes to the broader question of how we are fighting this virus. Credibility is very important for Building Public trust. Well, do you think wendys recommendations or mandates are hoping veer more to the mandates that do come out tomorrow should be specific, like age specific, right, for example, looking at the data and the science, if it shows that, for example, younger kids under 10 are less likely to be sick or be transmitters, then maybe they can be taught in a different way. Maybe a little more in person for them. Right now it seems like its an either or, in person or remote you know we dont seem to be looking at that time nuances or breaking them down. Well, i think are you right that different age groups are able to deal with different circumstances. Heres the thing, fundamentally it is about safety and health. Im not so sure there is any age differential. By the way, even though gung people may not die based on what we know today, they can get awfully sick and affect older people at much greater risk of death. So i hope the standard may be based on age for the type of Remote Learning that goes on or is allowed. I hope there is not an age break for what is considered safe. Obviously, you care a lot about schools, also about the businesses especially the Small Businesses in your district. I got to ask you. You have been saying and im reading in your opeds that there has been too much local control. How has that been impacting the businesses in your district . Well, we have here in the bay area, standards that are devated by county lines. Postpeople dont know where that line begins and ends. A lot of what we did right in the bay area was our Public Health officers from the six counties in our area, plus the town of berkeley that has their own Public Health office, coordinating together, the decisions to shelter in place, the standards to establish for whats an essential business and the rest. They did all that together but as soon as the state stepped in with variance and guidelines that allowed countys to reopen. They divernlgd and all went in their own direction so stats why we have the session of neighborhoods, one next to the other with different rules and requirementles. Its created a lot of confusion and inability to spread. If you have a spread in konta costa and someone can drive a half a mile in alameda to go to an outdoor restaurant, what have you done to create a safer circumstance . Were all in this together. I think the decisions from the state are important. I think they be done on a regional basis so you dont get these conflicting standards. Mote people dont know where their School Districts start and end. Theyre in their own bubble, it didnt mean it stays in that bubble. They hang out in neighborhoods, with friends around the corner. There is a cross pollenization that occurs. It means that what seems like a good choice for one entity breaks down completely. I think we have seen that in the bay area. No, you are not shy about saying californias covid strategy failed in your oped july 3rd in the Sacramento Bee you said newsome said his authority to the county was necessary to save the states economy n. Doing so, he accepted the false premise we must choose between Public Health and commerce. In fact, there is no choice. Explain that. Well here it goes to the cool issue as welt. If we cant contain this virus. Nothing else can go forward. Your business cant reopen. Your kids cant go back to school. Really, we have to stay focused on the fundamental issue before us. We have to contain this virus people who lost their jobs because a business is closed. Listen, we care about you. This is a very difficult circumstance for you. But we have to contain this virus, otherwise wlerks have the de ja vu all over again. We will shut down and then were going to open up and it will spread. No one wants that back and north, which is also creating enormous destruction for this virus. We only have 30 second, i have to ask you, based on what i am hearing from you, are you saying we should shut down now the way we did in midmarch . The virus is out of control. We have more infections today than we had in march. Our hospitals are filling up. Overflowing in certain parts of the state. No one likes the idea of sheltering in place. Great hardship comes from it. But it is the only path forward that i can see to killing this virus. Unless our testing, our track and tracing can be dramatically improved, our only choice is closing down and actually trying to flatten the curve which has never been done in california yet. Senator glazer, i have as to point out to our viewers. You are democrat. Few have gone this far in criticizing Governor Newsoms approach thus far. No trepidation in saying what you are saying . Well, i think hes done a very good job in a lot of the choices hes made. In the case of reopening too quickly, we have a difference. Its not meant to be personal. His staff works tirelessly and have done a number of great things. Its a life and death choice. I want to hopefully guide him constructively to a better path. We will see what that path looks like, hopefully more on the mandate side regarding the opening of schools. Thank you so much for your time. Take good care. Thank you very much. All right. Folks, well take a short break on the air. When we come back w talk questions for dr. Patel. Ill try to keep an eye on it and see if i can ask a couple of them. Hi there, we are back with the state rolling back reopenings for businesses cases and hospitalizations surging in california. Some vaccines as well. So joining me now is our special correspondent, dr. Patel. Good to see you again. Good to be here. I want to start with schools. We had a conversation with senator Steve Glazier hoping for mandates, so specific metrics that Governor Newsom may release tomorrow how schools should be opened. What they should be looking at, deciding, oh, this is where we are in our county in our area so we can go ahead and do this. What is your thought with regard to how schools should reopen within they look at the covid in their county in their district . I think the first thing is it is not an all or nothing solution. It is not a one size fits all. Which i think is where the National Conversation was a couple weeks ago. So i actually do think counties should be looking at their specific numbers, their cases, their specific infrastructure, faculty, the teachers, the age, do you have a backup plan. Then you can get your student population. There are so many variables to take into account. Within those variables, you cant have the same types of guidelines or distancing for a senior in high school as you would for a 1st grader or 2nd grader. So there is a lot of things you need to take into account. I think that the a good approach to take metrix. So different School Districts can say this is what works for us. Right. If you have a school in a district that is not on the watch list. All right. Around they have you know lots of space where they can spread out and keep to under 12 kids in each class and hold a lot of them outdoors and if theyre under tenyearsold and the teacher is young and healthy, would you say, i feel comfortable with that . I say if theory, i would want to know the specific measure, how they design their classroom, do they have interdirectional hallway what are they doing about ventilation in the windows. I want to know the parents are also a population that has had testing and there arent any risk factors associated with the fact sult. There are things i want to know from the school itself as well, even then, its possible to have saturday classes. Maybe you have some classes with teachers and others at a distance or some type of a hybrid model. I want to move on to businesses. Specifically, i dont know if you heard today, salons are making a push to ask the governor, can we please operate, hair, nails, if we take our services outdoors. What is your thought on that . Are you comfortble, obviously,o, with close to your manicurists or masks and during this outdoors is that an option to allow this whole sector of Small Business providers, vendors and a lot of people women, quite frankly, in these jobs to start working again . I feel the frustration for everybody. Especially for businesses doing everything right now. Going back to your question where you said it was feasible, if they are outdoors following a feasible glievenlt yes, here is a problem. There are things these businesses cant account for. For example, if you open up your hair salon and you are doing nails or a gym whatever it may be, you may be following all the rules. The problem is we have cases going up in every single county around San Francisco county and we have to look at what tub lick is what the public is doing, one slipup may affect your business. Its fought fair. I cut my own hair. I offered my wife i will cut your hair, too. Things are shut down right now. Did she say no . She said, god no i say that in gest in relate, they need to hold people accountable not following the guidelies. These are jeopardizing the entire economy. Your hair doesnt look that bad. Give it a shot. You know, a lot of people ive seen commends e comments like hey, why with we keeping these closed, especially schools, when the mortality rate doesnt seem to be that high. I dont know what that persons definition of high is. Tell us what the mortality rate seems to be. Also i know you keep telling us to think about the morbidity, too. Thats right. So, again, i said this a thousand times. I think reopening schools is a priority. I dont think when it comes in the argument of for or against, people can focus solely on mortality. We seen right now the mortality to coronavirus, meaning the percentage of people that die are under 5 . That on some sounds like great news. It can be lower as we find more cases. But the morbidity is still up there. People are being hospitalized for weeks at a time. There are people who have had strokes, longterm breathing problems. If they have other chronic illnesses, theyre have different results. Just because you win doesnt mean hospitals arent getting to max capacity so we need to look at both of those features, longterm illness for coronavirus in addition to the death. Yu cant say its black and white. You dont either die or get coronavirus and you are feign. Got it. There are a lot of sick people. Vernon wants to know, can a virus be transmitted on clothing . It could be transmitted on the clothing depending on how much of the respiratory droplets you got on your clothing or live in a high risk scenario. For example, when i come home from the hospital on certain shifts, i change my clothes in the hallway in an apartment building. I dont know what droplets are on that clothing. When in doubt its best to take your clothes off, wash them before coming in contact with anyone else. When i say respiratory droplets, we dont know how much is trance missible, contagious. When in doubt, dont thet let your clothes come in contact with anyone. Good advice, i want to ask you about vaccines. There is one out of the university of oxford, in particular theyre saying they could be through human trials in september and as tra zenica lined up people to produce 2 billion doses. Is this the one we have been waiting for you think . One of the ones we have been waiting for. I think what is exciting is not what you mentioned with the astrazeneca vaccine. We have to realize there are 155 vaccines in some stage of production. A few headed to oakley later in july or september and what i am think secretary there is multiple shots on goal. With we need one. We may not see an earlier vaccine until early next year. The data in september will say okay we know these vaccines have created in phase 2 trials. In phase 3 trials, we want to know if that can protect people from coronavirus or lessen the severity of an infection compared to placebo, people who dont get the vaccine. So i think it will be an exciting time this fall, so look at those results. See where were at. That vaccine is what we need for phase 4 to get back to some sandstorm of normal. Covid19 is. Hold on one second, im coming back on air. All right. We are back with our special correspondent dr. Patel. Patel. P. We were chath duri we were chatting during break. I want to go through rapid fire, would you do this or that, more people being conscience, they want to know are these activities . Eatingio ut doors . Depending on the restaurant. Yes or no. If you prefer, we can go with low risk, medium, high risk. Low risk. Exercise without a mask. Where are you exercising . On the beach. Low risk. On a popular trail that a lot of people visit . Medium risk. Swim in a pool. I would say medium to low depending on how many people are with you. There are all these scenarios. I know, gathering with six friends out in your back yard . Medium risk depending on how crazy your friends are. Playing golf or tennis . That i would say is low risk especially because of how isolated you could b. I dont know if you will be playing golf or tennis with a crowd of people on that golf course. All right having dinner at somebodys house in the dining room. High risk, depending on how many people there are. We have actually seen outbreaks traced to dinner parties or people that dont live in the same household. Spending an hour at a playground. Probably low risk. Hugging or shaking hand when greeting a friend . You can guess this one. I will say high risk. Who is this friend . Someone is super careful. Traveling by airplane. That still has to be high rafk right now because different airplanes, different guidelnes and remember you cant control for what your passenger may or may not be doing. We have about 40 second left. I got to ask you, what do you think is the impact of hospitals now being directed to direct their data to the hhs basically the Trump Administration as opposed to the cdc . What does that mean for us . What can we no longer find out or can we still find out and it doesnt make an impact on us . So im hoping for us it doesnt make an impact. From what i understand, the cdc can still access the data. What im worried about is we may see a down stream, the white house is not fully utilizing the cdcs expertise. They use this data, they need to give the public Daily Press Briefings on what they are learning and doing. Part of the frustration right now is people are left in the dark. People dont undersand where the decisions are coming from, whats true, the cdc experts are really for. Thank you, dr. Thanks for letting me rant. No problem. Thats what were here for. All right. Welcome back. Thank you so much for joining us on this interactive show. Getting answers. We heard from senator grazer who represents contra costa and alameda counties. We hope to hear from tonight the breaking news as we come on the air, florida and texas marking their deadliest days yet in the coronavirus. Hospitals at or near capacity. The tearful nurse who held her patients hand until the end and 72 nfl players testing positive for covid. Deaths climbing in 27 states. In florida that grim new record, 156 lives lost in 24 hours. More than 50 hospitals there without any icu beds available. Record deaths in texas too tonight where refrigerated trucks have now been brought in. In houston tonight the army setting up a new covid ward. The mother of triplets who thought she beat covid, her husband says her kidneys and liver never recovered. He says she died after failing to receive a