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Children. Mb wsomebody was dumping the victims. Youre not going believe this. Were dealing with a serial killer. I was like, oh, my god. This is it. This is it. We knew that this man went by four different names. The chameleon. My father, hes a serial killer. Thats the first time ive said that. Test, test. Check check check. In the middle of New Hampshire, theres this state park, bear brook state park. Its huge. Its covered in thick forests. Its full of nooks and crannies to get lost in. Its the type of place where you can find some of the last remaining rattlesnakes in new england. Where kids play hide and seek on four wheelers. And where, in 1985, a horrible discovery was made. 10,000 acres means we do have over 40 miles of trails. Its a very large park, and theres parts of the park that people do not explore or get out to. I would think that anyone without a familiarity with the park wouldnt want to go wandering very far into the woods. Theres just a lot of undeveloped area out there. Theres just nothing but woods. If someone wanted to hide a body, that would unfortunately be the place to do it. If you tried to write this as a fictional story, i dont i think people would say its too unbelievable. What began as one story for me turned into like four that spanned the country, spanned 30 or 40 years, and all connected in a way that couldnt be believed at first. W gardens in allenstown, New Hampshire. Its a small trailer park of maybe a hundred trailers, which is surrounded by bear brook state park. When we were kids, we created a game that was basically hide and seek with a four wheeler. You would just ride the four wheeler around looking for the kids that were hiding in the woods. We did it pretty much all summer long. Once i was approached by one of the kids in the group that he had come upon a barrel out in the middle of the woods, which was off the trail. We drove up that trail, off the trail a little bit. We found a barrel standing up. It was just odd that the barrel was out there. It was a slightly rusted, dark blue barrel. Its a blue 55gallon steel drum. Its just kind of sitting out in the woods. The brother that found the barrel went over to it and tried to lift the top of the barrel. And when he did that, we were hit with a smell that was absolutely putrid. One of the brothers just pushed the barrel over. And we watched the barrel fall on its side. I do recall seeing a little bit of, like, gray whitish fluid ooze out of the bottom of the barrel, which i thought at the time at 11 years old was rotting milk. The guys jumped on my fourwheeler and we booted out of there, and that was the last time that we saw the barrel. Several months after the kids have kicked it over, a Police Officer gets a call about a hunter. I was working the day shift. It was overcast, cold. And i received a call from dispatch to meet a hunter in the bear brook gardens mobile home park. He was very, very white, very pale. And he said to me, theres a barrel up in the woods, and i think theres some bones in there. So i told him to stay by my pa patrol car. And he heads into the woods, pretty skeptical that there is anything amiss. And i walked approximately 300 yards. I could see the barrel. It was laying on its side, and as i got closer, i saw that something was had fallen out of the barrel. It looked like a plastic rug, and it was all rolled up. I kneeled down, and i opened up the plastic. As i open the bag, the face is looking right at me. I said to myself, this is not good. So i said to dispatch, 51. Be advised i have a 1050. And she said, could you are a pete that . They alerted the state authorities, the attorney generals office, state police, and it sort of set in motion an investigation. The bodies were found not far from this sandpit just behind the bear brook gardens mobile home park. Two decomposed bodies were found inside, what appeared to be an adult female and then a younger female child. They have been able to determine that both victims were female, one an adult in her early 20s to early 30s. The other a young girl between the ages of 8 and 10. There is no identification, theres no purse. Theres nothing inside the barrel. And the victims had been wrapped in material, principally garbage bags, and there was some electrical wire that had been wrapped around the remains. Both of those victims died from a blunt object striking their heads and crushing their skulls. Usually means that the killer is up close and right next to the victims. If i knew who the victim was, because everybody knew everybody in town, i could Start Connecting the dots. When you dont know who the person is, when you dont know who the victim is, it makes it a hell of a lot harder to solve the crime. In New Hampshire, we have very few murders that involve complete strangers. Most of the murders occur amongst people who know each other. A close family member, maybe a friend, maybe a coworker. The next day i cold canvassed the town. I went to approximately 200 residences, asking, notice anything different . Anybody missing . Maybe a mother, child. Nobody knew nothing, and that was odd, because the population was 5,000. Everybody knew everything in that town. The hope was that there would be a missing persons case from somewhere that matched the description of a family unit. It is going to take a great deal of time for them to be identified. We have run them through all of the computers, both at the state level and from washington d. C. , andl they are simply not in that computer. Who are these victims . Are they local people, or are they from a distance away . Maybe a truck driver from canada came down and was looking for a spot to dump his victims. Was it somebody who was passing through . A tourist, Something Like that . Somewhere, somehow, somebody must know, you know, who these people are. We have a mother and a young child. Its like, just didnt disappear off the face of the earth without a name or an identity. Two years after the barrel was discovered, authorities released their remains so that they could be buried. These victims deserved the dignity of having a proper burial. Were gonna give them a proper burial. Chief connor arranged for the church to give him a plot in the cemetery. A local gravestone company donated a headstone. The headstone did not have names. Theres an inscription to the fact that they were found in 1985. It reads, here lies the mortal remains known only to god of a woman aged 23 to 33 and a girl child aged 8 to 10. Their slain bodies were found on november 10th, 1985, in bear brook state park. May their souls find peace in gods loving care. And with the burial of the two victims, that was kind of it. 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She was about 5 years old. He was living as the kind of fixitup guy, handyman guy at this park. And he had a camper on a pickup truck that he was living in with lisa. She was little, so she was like always running around the campground, playing with other kids, you know, bike riding. He ends up befriending a couple, katherine and richard decker. The deckers are there temporarily for a few months. They begin to talk to Gordon Jensen a little bit more, get to know him a bit more, and he starts to sort of confide in them. He says that hes having a really hard time raising lisa on his own. The deckers sensed something was wrong. They heard lisa crying at night. Her clothes werent in the best shape. She looks a little thin. She looks a little dirty. He tells various stories about what happened to her mother. I think maybe she died of cancer, he said. Another story was they were in a restaurant, it was robbed, she panicked, ran out in the street and got run over in the traffic. He actually broke down and cried, and he was incredibly convincing about his grief and about him wanting lisa to have a better life. And mrs. Decker told him, youre so lucky. Shes so beautiful, and cutie pie. And the couple starts thinking, well, we have a daughter who has wanted a little girl for a really long time, maybe something could happen. Gordon jenson eventually presented the idea of them taking lisa on a trial adoption basis. And so they take lisa down with them down to Southern California where their daughter lives and have a twoweek trial period. An attorney basically told them, have him sign here, here, here, have that notarized. And well file it in the court. And then she could be yours. Your daughter can adopt her. Once the deckers take lisa with them down to Southern California, she starts to show signs that shes been a victim of abuse. And the deckers contacted the authorities and she was interviewed. She was just an innocent child. She was just an innocent child. It breaks your heart to see a child like that be traumatized by an adult. And they reach out to try to contact Gordon Jenson back at this rv park, presumably, in the hopes that they cod t this adoption legalized so that they could keep her away from him. But when they call back to the rv park, he is gone. Hes vanished. When they went back up to have him sign the papers, hed quit his job and left, was gone. He was nowhere to be found. The next day, i started meeting folks at the mobile home park, trying to find out where he was. Theres no Gordon Jenson. You know, theres nothing. We just knew that we had a guy and he abandoned the kid. Thats all we had. The San Bernardino detectives talked to the owner and proprietor of the business and actually asked him, is there anything in here that only that guy touched . And he goes, yeah, he went out to the store. I gave him money and he bought that you know, the vcr Surveillance System for the campground. We went in the game room. He said, he installed all this stuff in here. I said, i wonder if hes got some prints on that panel. We took the first plate off. And sure enough it was wiped clean. You could see where he had taken a cloth and wiped on the inside. We took the second plate off, and lo and behold, on the inside of that second plate, there were eight fingers. We hit the jackpot. Once we got those fingerprints back, it came back to another name Curtis Kimball. Curtis kimball. Curtis kimball. Gordon jenson is Curtis Kimball. It turned out that he had been in a drunk driving accident with lisa in the car in Orange County in the mid80s. Once he made bail, he immediately absconded. And then two years after he flees the rv park, Curtis Kimball is pulled over driving a stolen vehicle. When hes arrested, he gives the name Gerald Mockerman along with a matching Social Security number and date of birth. Fingerprinting confirms that he is the same guy Curtis Kimball, Gerald Mockerman, Gordon Jenson. And at that point hes taken into custody for the charges of child abandonment. He served a year and a half in prison and was released on parole. The day he was released on parole, he fled and became a fugitive. And its going to be almost ten years before police see him again. And because her father had absconded and purportedly the mother was deceased, the deckers couldnt keep her, and she went into child protective services. It was heartbreaking for the deckers. Shed really become a part of their family. Theyd become close. Very close. I think it mustve been hard for the deckers to rescue lisa from this horrible situation only to then have to turn around and give her away again. I went to her home, picked the child up, and took her into protective custody. No one realizes it yet, but the story of lisa is going to be the beginning of so many things. Its going to be the beginning of forensic genealogy as a technique. 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Police had a few initial theories, but they really didnt pan out. No one in the community seemed to know anything about who these people might have been. No one seemed to be missing. Who are you . Who are the victims . And whos responsible for this . Tips would come in or people would have ideas. Youd exploit those until they just simply ended, and then the case would essentially go back on the shelf again. No one has been able to identify the bodies. The mystery bothers residents today. Its cold. This is the definition of a cold case. That changes in the year 2000. A state trooper by the name of john cody is sort of informally assigned the allenstown case to look into. The first thing that i did was actually go to the evidence repository to see exactly what the barrel looked like. The barrel was dark in color on the inside and rusted on the outside. It was very surreal that a mother and daughter were actually inside the barrel itself, disposed of like common trash. Those things dont happen in New Hampshire. I made the decision to go out and try to locate the actual area that this barrel was found in bear brook state park. Youre torn between the beauty that youre seeing as youre walking and the knowledge that this area is actually where two victims were disposed of. In 1985, this is the area that the hunter found the first barrel. As i came back out, i noticed just a terrain difference here off to the left, and it kind of drew my attention, so i started to walk out towards that area. I was just about to wrap it up for the day, and there was like a hump in the terrain. It wasnt something that was natural. As im walking towards it, youre trying to talk yourself out of it. Its probably nothing. I saw the black plastic, and thats when my heart started to race a little bit. I peeled back a little of the plastic and there was a bright white substance inside. And i lit it up with my flashlight, and i remember distinctly seeing the outline of a bone. I started to think, this doesnt look good. And then, when i peeled back the plastic a little more and illuminated it with my flashlight, it was very evident that this was a human bone. There was a million things going through my mind. Was this an area that somebody was dumping their victims . Did we have a serial killer . So, what john cody finds in a second barrel are two more victims. Two more children were found in another barrel, all were victims of homicide. Two little girls. One is estimated to be between the anyones of 1 and 3. The other between the ages of 2 and 4. Like the other victims, they were killed with bluntforce trauma to the head, and they were stuffed in these barrels and wrapped in plastic. So what was an adult female and a little girl is now and adult female and three little children. And the obvious place that that takes investigators is to imagine that this was a family. It certainly was a big turning point in the case. There had to be a missing persons report out there somewhere. Unfortunately they quickly ran out of leads, and somewhat surprisingly were not finding any missing persons case that matched. How can you have a mother and three daughters, a whole family, just disappear . Who out there is looking for them, and where are they . There is a neighbor, there is a sibling, there is an aunt, theres a pediatrician. Somebody knows who these kids are. If this could happen to these people, it could happen to somebody else around here. Theres something so wicked going on right now in this small town. To understand how this case is going to get solved, we have to go back to california. There, a woman named eunsoon jun is introducing her new boyfriend to her family. Eunsoons probably the closest friend ive maybe ever had. We met in a ceramics class in a Community Center in richmond, california. Eunsoon was in her mid 40s. She worked as a chemist. She was an immigrant from korea. Eunsoon was a free spirit. We always said she was like a bohemian. She loved to explore religions, explore people, different cultures. This woman went around the whole world by herself, but she was, like, full of almost opposite contrasts. She was real uneasy about trying to meet guys. She was lonely. She didnt find the love of her life. And i think that opened her up to be vulnerable to people who would take advantage of her. When there was this new boyfriend, a guy by the name of larry vanner. She wants to introduce him to her family, but right away it doesnt go well. I opened the door and saw his face. I had a chill run down by back that ive never in my life ever had before. And he stuck out his hand to shake my hand, and i saw the long dirty fingernails that just creeped me out. Larry would just grab and gobble up everything on the table. And belch and eat more. And then hed go sit on the couch, and id just shake my head. Just a few months later, eunsoon was becoming more and more estranged from her family and also her friends. [ phone ringing ] rose would call the house, and larry would make a different excuse each time for why eunsoon wasnt there. He would say, well shes busy taking care of her mother. Or she was going to get some therapeutic help. He would say, she decided she didnt like me anymore and didnt want me in her life. Who could believe him for one second . Rose ultimately grew quite suspicious of that. That she issued an ultimatum to larry. I want eunsoon, not you. I want eunsoon to tell me that shes done with our relationship, or im going to get the sheriff involved. Ultimately what she did was call the police. What the detectives dont realize is that this is just the tip of the iceberg. All right, larry. Discover new worlds discover whats good pantene nutrient blends cool . Drop the taco. Get in the car. Does this sentra feel like a compromise to you . Wait, what. . 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She was leaving on a vacation for ten days, and she said she wanted to hear eunsoons voice on her answering machine when she got back. If she didnt, she would call the police. In the end, thats what she did. Roxane gruenheid, she is working in Contra Costa County when this call about a missing person comes in. And i was a homicide detective for the Contra Costa County office of the sheriff. Someone who earlier in her career was told by superiors that her reports were too detailed. Occasionally, i did write a little bit too much. I think just loves a mystery. Who really thrives on searching for the smallest details that can unlock the biggest mysteries. The case originally came in as a missing persons report. Where is eunsoon jun . The obvious first place to start is with the livein boyfriend larry vanner. So police bring larry vanner in for questioning. Now, i havent talked to anymore about eunsoons or my problems, because frankly youre not my priest and youre not my doctor. I watched from this special room where the video link is. He was polite and soft spoken and very smart. And with his twinkly blue eyes he could, you know, get somebody to maybe trust him. Ive always tried to live by the model that theres no defense against the truth, but sometimes its hard to find out what the truth is. All we were really trying to do was to determine where eunsoon was and if she was okay. And he wasnt being cooperative with that at all. Now, when that southern fire was roaring last month i dont know if you ever lived in a rural area before, but most people are signed up for the firefighting crew. Hes just telling stories. Hes just trying to bide his time and not anything about, like, eunsoon and where she is and why youre here in this police station. You know, gossip has its place in society sometimes, but im just not going to say anymore about eunsoon or myself right now. Larry is offering a whole slew of Different Reasons for why eunsoon is unavailable. At first he said she was up in oregon. Taking care of one of my properties. Then at some point he changed his story to she had a nervous breakdown. If she were to get a call from authorities, that might trigger an anxiety attack. When somebodys story keeps changing, it means that theyre either made something up, cant remember what they told you the first time, or that theyre lying to you. They decide they want to fingerprint larry vanner to learn more about him, and he agrees. He walked into the Records Bureau and allowed us to fingerprint him. We very quickly got a phone call from the Records Bureau that they had identified him as a parolee at large by the name of curtis mayo kimball. Curtis kimball. Curtis kimball. Hes a man who had been convicted of child abandonment. All right, larry. Your prints came back. You know your other name, right . Curtis kimball. Curtis kimball. Ring a bell . No. Yeah, thats who you are man. So, whats the deal . Who really are you . And more importantly, where is eunsoon . Right away hes under arrest. He was read his miranda rights, and he declined to make any additional statements. What the detectives dont realize is how much of a monster this guy is. So roxane and a colleague go over to the house to try to find eunsoon, to see where she is. As myself and my partner approached the front door, we didnt know what we were walking into. I mean, you always hope that the person is okay and that theyre alive and well. It was kind of dirty and just messy, but not anything particular that was out of place. Theres no obvious sense of foul play, of struggle of any kind. We did note that there was an apparent lack of Womens Clothing in the property. Like, there were no purses, there were no womens shoes. There was only his stuff in the house. It was odd. One of the interesting things i noted was that there were actually some photographs of eunsoon on the refrigerator. She was smiling and she looked like she was happy. And they work their way around the house and around to the garage, and they open up the garage door from the outside. It was packed with stuff. Eunsoon was a avid potter, and she had pottery in various stages of being fired and glazed. And then my partner walked into a smallish door at the very back. And he said something to the effect like, youre not going the believe this. Like, youve got to come see this. Roxane takes a few steps down to the crawl space and what she sees is an enormous pile of cat litter. Big. Like four, five feet around, probably two or three feet high. And i stood there for just a few seconds. There was no odor. I remember seeing an ax leaned up there. There was a lot of blood splatter in the room. They bring in the crime scene investigators to look into that pile, and they start brushing it away. First thing that was revealed was a human foot. And its wearing a flip flop. But it was completely mummified. Body was positively identified as eunsoon jun. The cause of death was bluntforce trauma to the head. It seemed obvious that she was either killed there or he was trying to dismember her there, and then just bought the kitty litter to buy himself some time until he could dispose of her. So, that night, i dont think i slept a wink, and it was like the world had turned dark and gray. When i got up in the morning, i pulled my shades back. There was clouds and a beautiful blue sky. And there was seagulls circling in the sky. They were beautiful. And i went, this cant be. Os t. How could it be bright and sunny when eunsoons dead . Within the couple weeks after the discovery of the body, larry vanner, a. K. A. Curtis mayo kimball, was charged with murder of eunsoon jun. Investigators have not yet proven that any of the tools found at the residence were used by vanner to kill eunsoon. The prosecutor in the case, he wanted to find some piece of evidence that somehow tied larry vanner to the act of murdering eunsoon jun. 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I remembered that where that bank was, in that little shopping center, there was this really cool little pet store. And based on nothing more than that, she takes a ride out to the pet store. I walked in and i said, did this happen maybe that somebody came in and bought a significant quantity of cat litter out of the blue . And he goes, yeah, there was this guy that came in and he bought ten of them. And they described him to a t. Theyre like, yeah, older guy, gray hair, mustache, beard, scruffy beard, bright blue eyes. And he goes, and he paid cash. Ultimately, the cat litter was the key. The pretrial hearings for larrys murder trial begin. And he pleads guilty. He doesnt fight it at all. He just says, im done. Send me to jail. I dont want to talk about anything anymore. It was a huge shock to everyone. The judge, the prosecutor, vanners own lawyer. Rox that larry vanner was hiding something. That he had this little girl that he said was his daughter, and he gave her away. Like what was his charge of abandonment about . I think he believed if he pled guilty, i would stop investigating that aspect of his past. He goes to jail thinking its done. But the case haunts roxane, and she keeps digging and keeps digging. I was really centered on the little girl, on lisa. There were little fingerprint cards, with these little tiny little hands, and they had their little footprints on the back of them and little tiny fingerprints. And it just made me angry and curious. Like, was this really his daughter . If its not his daughter, where did he get her . Who did he get her from . I put in a request to do a definitive paternity test. She got the blood sample from vanner, who is now in prison, and she tested it against the sample they took from 5yearold lisa. He was not b related to lisa. Larry vanner is not lisas father. Curtis kimball was not lisas father. Gordon jenson, Gerald Mockerman. It wasnt her father. Maybe lisa is not lisa. Once roxane saw the results of the paternity test, she called the San Bernardino sheriffs office. They had handled lisas case 17 years ago. And she was about to drop shocking news on them. Here i am, years and years later, showing up and going, hey. You have a found jane doe, i believe. Initially they were like, we dont have a case like that. And im like, yeah, you do. Roxane basically tells them you have a missing person, an unidentified victim, who is alive, who still has a family out there to meet. It just made me determined to do everything that i could possibly do to try to find out who she was. In 2003, when the San Bernardino Sheriffs Department opened a new investigation aimed at finding her true identity, lisa was 22 years old. I called lisa and talked to her. She really wanted to know who she was. By this time, lisas an adult. She had grown up. So this rocks her world even more. Lisa learns that her father is not her father. She still has no idea where her mother is. She didnt even know what her given birth name may have been. With the realization that he was not lisas father, we started investigating who she was, where he took her from. So, then the mystery becomes whose daughter is she . And whos her mother and where is her mother . Because we know this guy kills people. We might be dealing not just with someone that killed one person, but were dealing with a serial killer. That was the genesis of the investigation that would ultimately lead back to New Hampshire and to bear brook state park. Police have still not identified the bodies of one woman and three young girls found in 1985 and 2000 in metal drums. In my judeochristian heritage, theres this sentiment around murder that the blood of the innocent will call out from the ground to god. And its going find justice because its dna is going point at perpetrators. And how amazing is it that it was blood of the innocent, it was blood of little lisa, that would go on to solve this mystery. 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These were people he lived with. And at the end of the story, the guy that did all that is your father. My father is a serial killer. Could have been me. Whenever people ask me who the worst serial killer is, i have one answer. Its been more than 30 years since the discovery of the first barrel in allenstown, New Hampshire. State police begin to work with the National Center for missing and exploited children to revive the case. And they come up with new composite images of the victims, composite images of the victims, more hightech reconstructions of what the victims might have looked like in life. This is the skull, the ct scan brought into our software of the oldest child. You can see the blunt force trauma, the fracture lines here. You sculpt the muscles back on the skill, and then slowly start to work on each individual feature to come up with a final rendering of the face. Investigators reveal the new images of the woman and three children, whose identities remain a mystery. They gave some measure of humanity to the victims and just helped to remind everybody that these were real people. So, in addition to constructing facial recognition of the victims, they also did dna testing to determine, are they possibly related . Forensics show the woman is related to two of the children, most likely a mother and two daughters, but one girl is from a different family. So who was the middle child . Became even more of a question. The goal was to not only report what we found but to engender interest in the case, because it was constant discussion about the fact, how can an entire family be wiped out and no one come forward . We hope that maybe somebody would remember something out there and make a phone call but that didnt happen. So as the New Hampshire investigators are falling flat in their case, lisa in california is still trying to figure out her identity. Around 2015, more than a decade after lisa found out that the guy that had abandoned her wasnt her real father, she comes up with an idea. She hears that there are people using dna websites to find long lost relatives. Why couldnt that work for her . The databases had grown tremendously. So we signed lisa up on ancestry initially, and we started getting some distant cousin hits. They are fourth cousins and fifth cousins. And its not simple to find out someones identity based on the identity of a relative whos that distantly related. I emailed dna adoption and i asked if the techniques they use for finding the bio families of adoptees could also work for lisa. It was dr. Barbara raeventer that responded. So, genealogy itself is doing Family History research. Genetic genealogy is when you then couple that with dna. The lisa case was actually kind of difficult, because normally when youre working with adoptees, you have some information you know where theyre born, you have a birth date. And in lisas case, we had no idea where she was from. All we had was her dna. We had from her dental development from when she was first recovered back in 1986. It had been estimated that she was probably born about 1981. At the time that i started working on this case, lisa was about 35 years old. Barbara spends thousands and thousands of hours trying to figure out who lisa is related to. She builds a family tree, and ultimately it leads to a man in New Hampshire, who is lisas grandfather. I was contacted one day by my nephew, and he was working with the Sheriffs Department out in california. And they ruest f m to do a dna. And they discovered that i was the actual grandfather. And barbara raeventer learns from him that he had a daughter named Denise Beaudin, and denise is lisas mother. I called lisa up to let her know that we knew who she was. She got very quiet. I asked her, do you want to know your name . Then she just very quietly said yes. It turns out that in fact lisas birth name had been dawn beaudin. Dawn was born in 1981. She was only 5 months old when they left manchester. The last time lisas grandfather had seen lisa and her mother was in 1981 around hs boyfriend, a guy by the name of bob evans. Bob evans had apparently told family members at thanksgiving that they were going to be leaving town. That they owed people money and so they would be leaving. A week later on the 1st of december i went over there to invite them here for christmas and found out that they were already gone. The neighbors told me that they had packed and just left. And i never saw her since after that. We had no idea what to do or where to go or which way to turn. The presumption was that they were just going off to make a new start elsewhere, so when they left the area, her family did not file any type of missing persons report. And no real inquires or followups or communications beyond that were had with her family. One of the first questions for investigators is, who is this bob evans guy . Hes a guy who was a plumber, electrician. He would do trade work. Kind of like a tall, heavyset man. Kind of rough looking, you know . I didnt really take to him too much. He looked kind of shady. So, here you have the last person whos seen with lisa in New Hampshire, bob evans. Forniagoon json. See her is in maybe its the same person. I sent manchester p. D. Pi knew as Curtis Kimball and Gordon Jenson. Authorities go to lisas grandfather, they bring a mugshot of Gordon Jenson, the guy that had abandoned lisa in california, and they show it to him. And right away he recognizes him and confirms what investigators had feared that Gordon Jenson was also bob evans. Detective peter ahead hedley called him a con man. The prosecutor had another name for him, the chameleon. He clearly had the ability to ingratiate himself to other people, to mold himself to the situation to get what he wanted. By this point investigators had connected three of the four mysteries with each other eunsoon juns murder, the identity of lisa, and the disappearance and presumed murder of Denise Beaudin. After 30 years, in 2016 police open a missing persons case on Denise Beaudin. She had not been reported missing before then. Then a case manager at the National Center for missinand exploited children looked at a map. Manchester, where Denise Beaudin was last seen, was only about 25 minutes from bear brook state park. Denise went missing in 1981. The first barrel was discovered in 1985. We started to look at the timeframe and the proximity and were like, wow. Theres a potential that these two cases could be related. So, investigators wondered, is denise the adult victim from . Super emma just about sleeps in her cape. But when we realized she was battling sensitive skin, we switched to tide pods free gentle. Its gentle on her skin, and dermatologist recommended. Tide free gentle. 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Circumstantially, we were able to connect the man that abandoned lisa, that left with denise, also had connections to the crime scene up in allenstown where the four bodies were found. As far as investigators can tell, bob evans showed up in New Hampshire in the late 70s. He found work as an electrician, as a handyman. We knew that bob evans actually spent a good amount of time on that property where the barrels were found, because he used to fix up and do some Electrical Work at a camp store that was right there on the property. We started trying to look for any kind of linkage that we could between him and the allenstown case, because it was clear he was associated with the denise beain disappearance. The detectives are wondering, is Denise Beaudin the woman found in the barrel . The victims from the first barrel that was discovered in 1985 were buried, and eventually they were exhumed, meaning dug up again, so that canry to do additional dna testing on them. They take lisas dna sample, denises daughter, and test it against that victim to see if its her mother. Shes not the adult victim. Its a big letdown. This is a big setback for the police. They thought that this mystery was going to finally be over, and it was just beginning. It certainly seems highly likely that Denise Beaudin was murdered by bob evans. I think the questions are, when, where and how . Between New Hampshire and california, that doesnt really narrow it down. I dont think theyre ever going to find her. Theres always that hope, but nothings definite. We knew that bob evans was the same man that abandoned lisa. We wanted to see how, if at all, may he be related to the four allenstown victims. Remember, they know bob evans is Gordon Jenson larry vanner. They have his dna. So they test the dna from the bodies in the barrels in New Hampshire against the dna that he left in california. And what they got back from that result was something nobody expected. It turned out that the middle child victim, the child who was not related to the other three victims, she was actually the daughter of bob evans. This now ties bob evans to the crime scene in bear brook state park. A man with multiple aliases who was known as Robert Bob Evans during his time in New Hampshire they say dna shows one of the girl victims was evans daughter. And there was just a moment of, wow, we got it. This is definitely him. We got a lot of work to do from here to try to figure out who this guy is and what the rest of the story is. It conjures up all sorts of questions as to who is the mother . Is she alive . Is she dead . Because, lets face it, theres a lot of dead people in this case tied to evans. And we do fear that his daughters mot other ct sew to kn who the killer is but not know who the victims are. Usually when that happens, thats serial killer territory. The whole idea that he actually would kill and dismember his own child i think is beyond comprehension. But the important thing to understand with serial killers is they have no empathy or feeling or caring about anyone. So, now we knew that this man went by four different names. But we still didnt know what his true identity was. Several months after we learn about bob evans connection to the bear brook murders, barbara raeventer, the genealogist who had identified lisa, is called upon to do the same thing. Law enforcement suspected that there were probably other victims. And so they really wanted to know who this guy really was and where he was from. So, she begins to build out a family tree of this mystery killer. And then using exactly the same technique that i used to identify lisas parents, i determined that he in fact was Terry Rasmussen from colorado. Finally, investigators have this guys actual identity. Its Terry Rasmussen. By finding out his real name, Terry Rasmussen, now we had something to go on to track him further back and try to find more victims. And what we learn about this guy is that he had what seems to be a pretty conventional life up until a point. He was born out in colorado. He got married, had four kids. So, in identifying Terry Rasmussen, barbara raeventer has also of course identified his whole family and his immediate family. Doesnt have any idea what kind of news theyre about to get. My mother calls me, and shes, like, the New Hampshire state Police Cold Case unit wants to come and talk to me. Just imagine that state police from a different state give you a call and say they want to talk to you about something that pertains to your father. Remember, the last time they saw him was decades ago. His children were very young when he left. Im at work plugging away, and i see these two people from the New Hampshire cold case unit come into the lobby. They laid the story out for me that was what had happened to my father. If my mother wouldnt have left my father, it could have been me. Could have be would have been me. 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His original identity was thought to be Curtis Kimball, because thats what his identity was when he was arrested back in 1985. Then in 1986, we had Gordon Jenson. He would either commit a crime or had committed a murder, and hed change his name, and off hed go again. We have all these aliases, but whats his actual identity . So the man that we know as bob evans in New Hampshire started off life as Terry Rasmussen. That was his real name. In putting together a timeline and a life story of who Terry Rasmussen was, we les hus point and a father of four children. My name is diane kloepfer, and Terry Rasmussen is my father. My fathers real full name is terry peder rasmussen, and he was born december 23rd of 1943. He actually got married. He had children, but unlike these victims from bear brook, he hadnt killed them. A family now coming to terms with the fact that the man theyve been looking for for decades is a convicted killer. One of terrys children, diane, gets a call with this news from New Hampshire state police. They had all these other pictures from all the times that hed been arrested under all these different names. And the state troopers just unfurl this sprawling tale. And at the end of the story, the guy at the center of it who did all of that is your father. It was him. The last time they saw him was decades ago. My fathers been out of my life since i was like, 6 or 7. My mother and my father got married in 1968 in hawaii. She just told me that he was the most handsome man that she had ever seen, and he was charming and he swept her off her feet. We have his eyes. I do, my sister does, and my brother does. They feel that they are responsible, that theyre embarrassed about Terry Rasmussen being their father. My father has, um killed many people repeatedly, so he does fall into the definition of a serial killer. So hes a serial killer. Oh, my god. Do you thats the first time ive said that. Really . I do know that my mother tells me my father burned my brother with cigarettes. Normal people dont do that. Its very hard on diane. As it would be on anybody to learn Something Like this. I dont know if my mother knew his capacity for violence, but i dont believe that she knew about this. And when you say this, what . Uh, his ability to kill women and children. If my mother wouldnt have left my father it would have been you want evil to look evil, and when i saw his face, he didnt look evil at all. He just looked, in that picture, like any other bearded New Hampshire woodsman. Authorities say they now know rasmussen was born in denver in 1943, went to high school in arizona. He dropped out of high school after his sophomore year and joined the navy in 1961. He was trained as an electrician served for six years at bases around the west coast and at okinawa. Terry rasmussen got the titl. He certainly does have different looks. The way that he repeatedly changed his name, moved on to the next town or state. When he showed up in a new location, he was usually clean shaven, and then hed grow a beard. Chameleon is a word that fits. He didnt even look healthy. His face was gray. He smoked constantly. Heres the type of serial killer Terry Rasmussen was he would go after Vulnerable Women with young children. He would separate them from their family. He was able to insert himself into families, tear those families apart, kill the members that came with him, and then do it all over again in a couple years with a different name and a different family. These werent just random strangers he crossed paths with at a truck stop and picked up and killed. These are people he lived with. This is his own child in one case. Rasmussens victims were intimately known to him, and he spent months or years with them at times before murdering them. My guess is they never realized who he was or what he was capable of until it was far too late. So, now we have the identity of the killer. We still dont know the identities of the four victims. It was around midoctober that i received information that we had a credible tip that may be able to identify at least three of the victims of the barrels. We are tmobile the first to go unlimited. First with no annual service contracts. First with taxes and fees included. Now tmobile has the first and only nationwide 5g network. Reaching over 5,000 cities and towns and over 200 million americans. And tmobile is not charging extra for 5g access. Because this isnt our network. Its yours. Slain bodies were found on november 10, 1985 in bear brook state park. Police say the hunter discovered the bodies wrapped in plastic in a barrel. The barrel on the left was found on november 10, 1985. This is the barrel found by the hunter in the woods. And then to the right of that is the barrel that we found in 2000. No one has been able to identify the bodies. The mystery bothers residents today. The one thing in this case that that will always stick in my mind till the day i die is that we dont have Terry Rasmussen around today to talk to. Rasmussen die in the prison in 2010 where he was serving time for killing his commonlaw wife in california. I guess dying serves him right. I wished hed lived longer, so in prison. A lot of people ask that request, why are you still working on the case . We knew who he was. His name was Terry Rasmussen, but then its also like, but who are these victims . We still, first and foremost, do not know the identities of the four bear brook victims. Sometimes when people go missing, its obvious. Theres another way that people go missing where they fade slowly from the lives of the people around them. One of the interesting dynamics of this case as we went along was private citizens taking an intense interest in this one case. When citizens get involved in a Law Enforcement investigation, it can often hinder the case. In this case, the outside influences here made the difference in this case. Becky heath is a librarian. Shes also someone who loves to investigate things. Each night, i would get home and go onto these Message Boards and just go through them. Looking for my brothers, curtis and dale. Looking for my brother jason. Shes poring through searching for anybody that has been looking for a missing woman and two children. And she stumbles upon something. Becky thinks it could potentially be the bear brook victims. There was a bunch of different family members that were all looking for this woman and her two children. The ages fitting and then the locations also fitting, im like, oh, my goodness, you know what . I think that this could be them. Becky sends a text message. Ive been trying to track down this post. Could this but be you . And she responded back to me, yes. You have my heart pounding. And she starts to ask them, whens the last time you saw this person . And who was she last with . And the message she gets back is chilling. She just throws in, oh, by the way she married a guy with the last name rasmussen. I stopped, and my response was, oh, my god. This is real. Meanwhile, barbara genetic genealogist, had also been honing in on the identities of the victims. She reads an article about a new forensic technique thats able to extract autosomal dna from rootless hair. The light bulb goes on. I had the folks in New Hampshire send hair from the victims to dr. Green. Im ed green. Im associate professor of biomolecular engineering here at ucsanta cruz. And we do Dna Technology development. Theyre using a new technique to extract dna from a strand of hair that no longer has the dnarich root attached. And he was then able to extract autosomal dna from the hair shaft. She was able to get a profile to put into the databases and actually helped confirm through genealogy research. All of a sudden, you have two people are solving the bear brook its hnbhas appened. After decades of silence and mystery, officials announced today that theyve identified three murder victims found in metal barrels in the woods of allenstown. Good afternoon. In 1207, we knew the identity of the allenstown killer, but his victims identities remain a mystery. Were here to report that, for three of the four allenstown victims, thats now changed. Specifically, weve identified the victims weve referred to over the years as the mother, the oldest child, and the youngest child. And here they are. We learn that the adult victims name is marlyse honeychurch. That the oldest child who was found in the first barrel with her, her name is marie vaughn. D learn that the name of the youngest child victim, her name was sara mcwaters. At the time this woman and her two children went missing, she had a boyfriend named Terry Rasmussen. The same man we eventually learned was in fact a killer. Today, weve returned the identities and the dignity to marlyse honeychurch, marie vaughn and sarah mcwaters. Questions remain who is the fourth victim . Who was her mother . The fourth victim found in those barrels, remains unidentified, but rasmussen is that childs biological father. You know, people ask me why i do these interviews. Um theres still one victim out there. There is one girl who we dont know who she is. Thats why i do these. To get her identified an that theres closure for the families involved here. Thats the only reason. Can you introduce who you are . How you are part of this story . I am paula, marlyses sister. Im the brother of marlyse and the uncle of sarah and marie. Through the years my mother always said, somethings not right. 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Here at abbvie, were inventing medicines of the future to create tomorrows that will be healthier. And happier, while making medicines that help people right now. Because thats the present we wanted to live in. And thats the future we all want to see. Abbvie. Here. Now. Authorities have named three of the four people found in those allenstown barrels in 1985 and 2000 as a mother and her two children. Based on information from the womans family and the work of a researcher, as well as dna testing and genealogical research, weve identified three of the allenstown murder victims. The woman was marlyse honeychurch. Two of the three girls were identified as her daughters, marie and sarah, last seen in california in 1978. Investigators say they may have moved to New Hampshire with serial killer Terry Rasmussen who went by the name bob evans here. She was bubbly and quirky. Yeah, she had a good sense of humor. Marlyse was born in stamford, connecticut, in 1954. She later married and gave birth to her daughter marie in 1971. After marlyse married her second husband, she gave birth to her daughter sarah in 1977. We were at the hospital when she had sarah. She was excited because she had another baby. Marlyse was excited to be a mom. She loved her kids dearly. Marlyse and her second husband separated in 1978 and ultimately divorced. Marlyse honeychurch is in her early 20s in the late 70s when she meets Terry Rasmussen. The most chilling aspect is that her boyfriend at the time was Terry Rasmussen, the person we learned was bob evans. The person we know is a serial killer. Marlyse was last seen around thanksgiving in 1978 and she was last seen with terry. She came to our mothers in la puente, she came with this man and introduced him as terry. Yeah, Terry Rasmussen. I dont remember exactly what happened. I just heard that they had an argument, marlyse and my mom. There was a fight, and marlyse just said, im leaving with terry. Ill see you guys later. And we dont know what the argument was about. No. My mom might have said something to her as, hes too old for you. Why are you with him . Or Something Like that. Made her mad. Our mom was very outspoken. We dont know. She went with terry. And they left. Never called. Never contacted nobody. Just disappeared. You almost know whats going to happen, you almost expect it, because that is what rasmussen was doing in all these cases was finding a way to wedge himself in between a single mom, in many cases, and her family. I had always said, one day theyre going to come walking through the door. Or my nieces will come looking for their grandmother or something. And that never happened. But it was hard been mom. She took the blame for her leaving. Just hurts that she doesnt know. That it wasnt her fault. That she left with somebody that was going to be horrible. We know that marlyse and the girls left california during this time and somehow, some way, at some time made their way up to New Hampshire. We dont know why he killed her. One of the theories is that hed been sexually assaulting the children. Its possible their mother found out about it and confronted him. One of the just troubling and lingering questions of the case is how did the victims absence go unreported for so long. How did they just fall off the rada wd d it wasust atn every time we searched, it came to a dead end. Came to a dead end. Came to a dead end. I remember seeing a photograph. A birthday photograph of marie vaughn blowing out some birthday candles. We believe it could be just a few months before marlyse went missing with her two children. One of the sad things about that photograph is it possibly could have been the last birthday that marie vaughn had. To finally put a human face and a human story to see, the real people behind that story was very moving. Together weve been able to uncover the identity of the allenstown killer, a murderer who tried to erase his victims and hide in the process. We know what he was, we know what he did, and now we know who his victims were. Felt good to be a part of giving them that measure of justice, and giving the family some answers. Luckily this case was big enough that a lot of people never gave up on them either. The Community Just never gave up hope. If they would have gave up and not followed the case and not pursued it, we would still not know where my sister and nieces were. So thats who we truly need to thank, is those people. Its kind of bittersweet. You know, they do have their names back. Everybody knows who they are now. First thought is that we can finally put the names on the gravestone. The dignity of providing these victims with a name and have them rest in peace. So in november of 2019, we finally get an actual funeral. They are laying marlyse and marie to rest. And i feel its my responsibility to be here. Here you have the family members of the murder victims, and the daughter of the murd murderer. Its just a really powerful moment. My father killed your sister and your nieces. Why on earth would you want to talk to me . Diane . You must be diane. [s x ding] i dont know about you ot ut i dont know how soon [sfx] i dont know about you how much . Cinco pesos vale. Oh ok, thanks. [sfx ding] but if we die, i want to bring the whole thing too ooooooh just another world that i gotta get a grip of and hold onto [sfx chime] thanks. Ooooooh [sfx chime] [sfx ding] [sfx chime] [sfx ding] and 24hour relief of nonfrom symptomstin caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. Like those from buddy. For one week only, save up to 26 on select claritin products. Check this sundays newspaper for details. This is my body of proof. Proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. Proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis. Proof of less joint pain. 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I dont know that i ever could make up for my fathers sins. How do you ever make up for Something Like that . My father killed your sister and your nieces. Why on earth would you want to talk to me . You must be diane . Im diane. Hi, im michelle. Hi. They all said the same thing, that it wasnt my fault. But because of my father, they lost their sister and their nieces. Im so sorry about your sister. Thank you. It has to be rough on her and her brother, to know that their dad did such brutal things. With you but you also got to be thankful that it wasnt them. Theyre still alive. All the people that had seen this thing through were able to have this moment of i dont know if closures the right word, but something close to it. Its a day of sorrow, yes, and sadness. It is also a day of great joy, for what was lost has now been found. The fact that you have sitting around the gravesite the members of the honeychurch family sitting next to the daughter of the man who murdered them, i think its a powerful moment. The thing that binds us together is this horrible thing that has happened here. But they treated me just like just like i was their sister. We as a family would like to thank the community for caring and loving our sister marlyse and our nieces, marie, sarah, they can rest in peace. Thank you all from the bottom of our hearts. There are still of course loose ends with this case. Not every question has been answered yet. Theres still one victim out there. There is one girl who we dont know who she is. Im hopeful that well be able to identify who the fourth victim is fairly soon, but with these kind of cases, its difficult to predict how long its going to take. Today was very hard. I hope the next time that i come here its because my sister has her name. I cannot let that just be okay to never find out what her name is and wheres the rest of her family. We call that other little child we named her angel. And the focus from this day forward should be to find the family of that little girl. Diane, the honeychurches, theyre all victims of Terry Rasmussen in one way or another. The fact that they could share that moment in allenstown back where it began, it was a special moment. The funeral was held so close to bear brook state park. It really did feel like we were back at the beginning. And the search continues for the identity of that middle child theyre calling angel. If you have any information please go to our website, abcnews. Com and youll be directed to the right resources. Thats our program for tonight. Im amy robach. For david and all of us here at 2020, good night. N this frightening time helping those in the community cowho live off the we made usaa insurance for members like martin. 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