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Youre a damn liar, man. Growing pains for michael bloomberg. I endorsed cory booker many times. Hes very well spoken. Its not up to me to be his teacher on this issue. This morning the latest on the democratic race. Cory booker joins us live plus rahm emanuel and Chris Christie on our powerhouse roundtable. Well break down the politics, smoke out the spin. The facts that matter this week. Announcer from abc news, its this week. Here now, chief anchor, George Stephanopoulos. Good morning, and welcome to this week. The witnesses have been heard. The reports written. Constitutional scholars have weighed in. The party lines harder by the week and now that nancy pelosi has declared democrats have no choice, there is no turning back. President trump on track to become the third american president in history to be impeached likely by christmas. Next steary committee will draft debate and vote on articles of impeachment this week. They convene first thing monday morning and were joined by two members of that committee, democrat zoe lofgren. Republicanga, congressman lofgren, let me begin with you. Youve played a role in every moderate impeachment. Some of that evidence there. You were on the staff of the House Judiciary Committee during the nixon impeachment back in 1973. A member of that committee for bill clintons impeachment in 1998 and the impeachment of President Trump today. But it appears at least half of the country is unconvinced by your contention that the allegations against President Trump are more serious than the charges against nixon and clinton. Make the concise version of that case. Well, the nixon case, he used president ial powers to influence improperly the election. He covered it up using the fbi, the cia. He abused his power and was voted articles of impeachment as a consequence. In tresidentru not only has he abused his power to improperly put his thumb on the scale for the election, he used a foreign power to do it and that really hits all of the buttons that the Founding Fathers were concerned about. But as you know, the republicans have made the case that the president didnt get what he want. He didnt get the investigation, the aid went through. Well, the aid was suspended. As a matter of fact people died while it was suspended, but he did use that power to get that end and its not over. I mean, he is using agents to get improper things done to try and tar his opponent and Rudy Giuliani, his agent, is in ukraine meeting with kgb trained people today. This is an ongoing threat to the national security. The president said yesterday that he is going to take a report from Rudy Giuliani. Rudy giuliani is going to report tohe attor well, thareg. But the fact that mr. Giuliani, mr. Sondland have acted to try and pervert the National Interests to the personal interests is of tremendous concern. Its an ongoing threat to the national security, and its abuse of power that is needs to be dealt with really. Its depressing, honestly. I wish the president s behavior had been better. You dont think they should move to impeach based on the Mueller Report. Does that mean youre against including evidence laid out by mueller on possible obstruction of justice in these articles of impeachment . My personal view is we should proceed only on those items where we have direct evidence and there is a lot of direct evidence relative to the abuse of power in ukraine and the russians relative to the biden investigation. The Mueller Report is a report. We dont have direct witness testimony for most of that. So i think wed be on firmest ground to move forward where we have direct evidence as with the report we will see tomorrow morning at 9 00 a. M. From the intelligence committee. And were going to be covering that but that gets to the other question raised about the speed with which the democrats are Going Forward. Youre not going to have the evidence as you said from the Mueller Report, don mcgahn hasnt testified yet. You dont have the evidence of Mick Mulvaney or secretary of state mike pompeo or Rudy Giuliani, you just called an agent of the president right there. And the Washington Post had an editorial this weekend. Heres what they had to say about that. They said the Judiciary Committee may well have enough evidence to draw up articles of impeachment, but the witnesses and documents that mr. Trump is improperly blocking might well provide a fuller and to Many Americans more persuasive picture of his guilt and american democracy cannot afford for congress to fail to establish its right to obtain them. The fight for them must not be giveup whnot presint h os witnesses. The idea that theres absolute immunity is preposterous. Iso ba the constitution for that. Im mindful that the last time we fully litigated that claim, it took 18 months, so to allow the president to engage in frivolous appeals so that the appeals extend beyond his term of office really is not what the constitution provides. The constitution says, the Congress Shall have the Sole Authority when it comes to impeachment, and so the question is, with the evidence we have, can we make a sound conclusion . I think we can, but when we get our presentation tomorrow from the intelligence committee, i think all of us will have a chance to say all of this direct evidence, can we reach a conclusion and move forward as our responsibility under the constitution provides, and i think the answer is likely yes. Back in 1998 you warned republicans against undoing that was your word a free election expressing the will of the people. Heres what you had to say. You will set the dangerous precedent that the certainty of president ial terms which is so benefited our wonderful america will be replaced by the partisan use of impeachment, future president s will face election, then litigation, then impeachment. Republicans are echoing that argument today and saying thats exactly what has happened. Well, what i should have said and i think i did say throughout the clinton impeachment was, first you need a high crime and misdemeanor. Lying about sex is not an abuse of president ial power. Maybe husband power and certainly trump has done the same thing when it comes to Stormy Daniels and karen mcdougal. Were not proceeding on his lies about his affairs. That has nothing to do with the abuse of president ial power any more than it did in the clinton administration. Here we have an instance as we did with nixon of abuse of the power that is vested in the president and the founders were very concerned that the president that they had created in the constitution had enormous powers and if unchecked, if use of that power was made to subvert the Constitutional Order there had to be a remedy and that remedy was impeachment. Finally i do want to ask you about this shooting in pensacola. The Pensacola Naval base on friday by that saudi national. Fbi still investigating whether or not it was a preplanned terrorist attack. Whether or not there were accomplices but in the wake of this shooting, does the United States need to be rethinking our relationship with saudi arabia . Well, i have a lot of concerns. We have, you know they murdered a u. S. Person who was a reporter for the Washington Post. Murdered and dismembered that reporter, and weve never gotten accounting for that. So, yes, there are a lot of questions about saudi arabia. Congressman lofgren, thanks for joining us this morning. Thank you. We are joined now by the congressman from florida, matt gaetz. Congressman gaetz, first, our condolences to your entire community in the wake of this shooting. Let me ask you the same question i just asked congresswoman lofgren. Do you think its time to rethink the United States relationship with saudi arabia . Well, george, thank you for your condolences. The military is not a feature of my community. It is the defining characteristic of my community and ive dealt with killed in action down range active duty suicide but there is a special kind of grief when the bravest most patriotic americans are putting themselves in harms way to train people from other countries to be able to protect and defend their own country and then they kill us for it. This isnt the first time my community has experienced that type of grief and it is deeply, deeply painful. Of course, what happened in pensacola has to inform on our ongoing relationship with saudi arabia. That is the message i directly delivered to the saudi ambassador when she called to offer her condolences. There are saudis that are currently with us that are being investigated and i made the point as clearly as i possibly could that we want no interference from the kingdom as it relates to saudis that we have and if there are saudis that we do not have that may have been involved in any way in the planning, inspiration, financing or execution of this, that we expect saudi intelligence to work with our government to find the people accountable and hold them responsible and i was given every assurance from the ambassador that would occur. Do you think the president has been tough enough with saudi arabia, has delivered the message in the same way you have . Im grateful for the president for being so on top of this. Weve been communicating regularly, and i can tell you that what you saw from secretary esper in terms of ordering a review of this program is a consequence of the president s leadership. We need to have a review of this program, and its my belief that as secretary esper is looking at the record keeping, the accounting for these saudi nationals in our country, the continuous observance and monitoring of their activities to ensure theres not radicalization. While thats going on we should pause this program. We should not be taking new incoming saudi students unless were absolutely confident in our vetting process. Lets move on to impeachment. You just heard congresswoman lofgren discussing Rudy Giulianis trip to ukraine this week, a trip that you said was weird. Youre not the only one. Dan eberhart, a strong supporter of President Trump, donor to President Trump said the fact that giulianis back in ukraine is like a murder suspect returning to the crime scene to live stream themselves moon dancing. Its brazen on a galactic level. You heard congressman lofgren saying it could be more examples of abuse of power by the president. I would never compare mayor giuliani to a murder suspect. Lets remember this is the guy who took down the mob in the 90s and who was out there leading a lot of the city of new york during the terrible events of 9 11. I think he gets the benefit of the doubt that hes not akin to a murder suspect but its weird hes over there and grateful very soon after i made those comments on cnn, the president put out a statement that said that Rudy Giuliani does want to come into congress and explain his role, explain what hes been up to and i believe that the president urging mayor giuliani to provide that clarity to the congress will be helpful in resolving what seems to be odd having him over there at this time. Well, mayor giuliani said hes actually representing the president while hes over there and, of course, its the president whos blocked his top witnesses with direct evidence from coming to the congress. You believe that Rudy Giuliani, Mick Mulvaney, mike pompeo should all come testify now. I believe that Rudy Giuliani is indicated that he wants to so i think thats a moot point. As it relates to the other members of the executive branch the president has to make decisions not only for him but for the presidency. I think it would be to the president s advantage to have people testify who could exculpate him but we want to preserve an executive branch where there are out of the box strategy sessions where people come up with crazy ideas and reject those ideas and hone them and if everyone is always worried from now Going Forward that if you suggest something to the president or youre engaging in conversations about an upcoming challenge, that thats going to be read out to the public verbatim. So i know its a tough balance. Theyll say the president abused his power by soliciting foreign interference in the election and so that the investigation of joe biden even your witness this week, even professor turley said that the president s phone call was not appropriate. It was not perfect. Can you explain to the American People why you think its okay for the president of the United States to ask a foreign nation to investigate a political opponent and withhold a white house meeting at the same time . I reject the premise of the question and thats what the president was doing. I think the president was acting on a sincere longly held view and skepticism of foreign aid and acting on concern about ukraine being the third most corrupt country in the world and reflecting concern about this biden connection to burisma and remember it was george kent, a witness called by the democrats who came forward and said we were so worried about burisma that our own embassy had to pull out of a Public Private partnership they were engaged in. But what is so dizzying, george, is the evolving standard for impeachment from democrats. Through most of 2019 nancy pelosi said she opposed impeachment not because the mueller facts werent Strong Enough in her view but because it wasnt bipartisan. She set the standard of bipartisanship for impeachment. The only thing thats changed now is that were moving into an Election Year and shes willing to pursue a partisan impeachment and you look back to 1998, jerry nadler, our chairman, was saying it was ripping votes asunder to pursue a partisan impeachment and no impeachment would be legitimate if it was primarily supported by one party and opposed by another. This impeachment is exclusively supported by democrats in congress. Its not just democrats cant persuade people like me who support the president. They cant even persuade republicans like will herd who are critics tmo the goalpost and zoe lofgren who is one of the nicest in congress compared the impeachment in 1998 as fascism, george, fascism. I dont think history looks kindly on the 98 impeachment and i dont think it will look kindly on the inevitable impeachment of the president today. Congressman gaetz, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you. 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All against big odds you can beat him. Im Mike Bloomberg and i approve this message. Do you hate the president , madam speaker . I dont hate anybody. Representative collins. I dont hate anybody. Im a catholic and we dont hate anybody. Not anybody in the world. So dont accuse me. I did not accuse you. You did. You did. I asked the question. You did. Representative collins yesterday suggested that the democrats are that has nothing to do with it. Let me just say this. This is about the constitution of the United States and the facts that lead to the president s violation of his oath of office. I dont hate anyone so dont mess with me when it comes to words like that. Angry House Speaker nancy pelosi after she declared the democrats have no choice but to impeach President Trump and move forward on that. Lets talk about it with our roundtable and our contributors Chris Christie and rahm emanuel, Yvette Simpson and republican st raknow the speak well. She would not have come out and made that declaration if she didnt have the votes which one, the one about hate or the first one about impeachment. She has the most [ laughter ] but have democrats made the case to the country, what needs to happen now. In the beginning of the process, yes, for the end of the process thats going to be an evolving piece of that. Look, you have a situation which i actually think knowing the speaker shes weighing and i think theres a bit of a torture here. She knows that theres two guardrails. One is you dont want to normalize impeachment and make it a way to solve political problems. On the other hand, you have a case where the president of the United States has subverted our National Interests for his personal nations and this lesson that comes out of the supreme court, a process that keeps evolving of a mutual assured destruction and for nancy this was an act that if you dont do this, you normalize something for the president of the United States to be acting as itheye above thw. Ts whats happening. She knows the consequence of what this may trigger for other president s and other congresss down the road and that is the two guardrails guiding her actions at this point and i do believe theyve made the case that a president of the United States is acting in subverting the National Interest for personal interest, that means he is acting above the law and therefore congress has a constitutional responsibility and she does take it seriously. Very seriously and is which is why she was reluctant for an entire year and a half. She had to move, meanwhile, what were seeing from the president , he says, get it over with quickly, not participating in the house. Is that a smart move . Yeah, it is. He cant gain anything through a process thats been determined in its conclusion as you said in your initial question to rahm. She wouldnt do it if she didnt have the votes. Ive been saying this, as you know, for weeks. Shes got the votes. Take the vote. Get to 218. Move on to the senate where they dont have the votes and get to the election. The fact is every democrat who speaks about this, you find the clip of them in 1998 decrying this very process and talking about how wrong that was. And i love to her comparison was that that was not an abuse of power by bill clinton. I find it interesting that someone who is the president of the United States preying upon a 22yearold intern and using the power of the presidency and the aura of the oval office to do it is not an abuse of power. Lets look at Lindsey Graham who was probably one of the most outspoken people in the clinton impeachment theres clips on both sides. Oh, yeah, he sounds like a different person. Two wrongs make a right. No, look, be consistent. Right, so if you could reason to impeach a president , clinton for the things that he did, why can you not find that same thing. The very same people are saying opposite things. Zoe is saying in 1998 this is the wrong. But in 2019 its right. Thats not consistent two different situations. Apples and oranges. Nancy pelosi herself said back during the clinton impeachment this was motivated by republicans hatred of biclsg from dfere sides of the to rahms int about is mpeachen drin largear due to the democrats hatred of donald trump. That cant be further from the truth. It lowers the standard for impeachment which is a dangerous present. You have a president first of all, you can have my time back. Name me five president s that asked a Foreign Government to come in and do op research on a political rival. Name five. Name all five. Its never happened. There arent any. This is a totally different situation. Right. Youre inviting a foreign power and it goes to the very words of the three constitutional lawyers and the 500 who signed the letter. Outlined the fact that youve president of the United States inverses two things here, one he has said that a foreign power can get themselves involved in an American Election. He said it in china, russia and he said it about ukraine. The second thing that i think is really crazy here, hes saying my personal lawyer could testify but the secretary of state who is a confirmed position, the attorney general who is a confirmed position and secretary of energy who is a confirmed position cannot testify. That is an inversion of the way the process works. Clear evidence of obstruction of congress three key points on that. 46 in the phone call, the july 25th phone call, zelensky and trump both have said there didnt feel any pressure there. Zelensky himself did not know that aid was being withheld and third and most important point, the aid was released without condition so that is a key it was released because the story got broke. Not because the president had a change of heart. Democrats say the request is the problem. Requesting interference is the problem. Exactly. And its still going on today, george. Thg k ug the democrats vep e arcles are going to be written and talking about a pattern and th psident on attor be dog ight cin just wi ihink thatwhat the presidt nts. He wants to create even greater sense of chaos, george, and wants to normalize that behavior and he wants to say, listen, there was nothing wrong with what i did then and nothing wrong with him doing what hes doing. Thats his strategy. His strategy is to call this a hoax, to defy exactly what congress is saying because he says its wrong and its untrue. Thats his play and i think anybody who has watched him for all these years would not expect him to have any other play. What do you think hes going to do . Go and sit in the oval office and have a contemplative moment and say, like, oh, boy, maybe i was wrong . The key word there contemplative. By the way, thats not who he is. He is a fighter. This is what the stanford professor said, can you imagine president obama after sandy, the storm in new jersey saying to Chris Christie who greets him at the airport, id like to give you this aid for your emergency building, but before i give it to you, id like a little help, though. Such an illustration ukraine is fit d until he cracks them to get involved in the American Election researching a political rival of the opposite party. Well, on this that is whats happening. And if Chris Christie said put him up against a wall in a moment that the state of new jersey relies on him too secure the billions of dollars to rebuild, that would have been wrong and an Impeachable Offense and it would never happen because nobody would have done that in the sense of people from new jersey and what the governor needed. Yvette, how do democrats deal with the and there can be a lot of reasons for this, the fact there are no republican, maybe justin amash who will vote for impeachment. We knew that. What do the republicans have to lose by stonewalling . Theyre not going to step out the ones who have have been vilified. As soon as mitt romney made his comments trump came after him. They gain nothing by doing the right thing and believe they work for the president which i think nancy pelosi has said rather than working for the American People and to protect the constitution. What we have heard and im curious about and would love to ask the governor if its true there might be Senate Republicans if they were able to take a private vote that would vote for impeachment so the question is, would can that process happen . Let me take a version of that question to alice. Lets say chris is right about the president s strategy. Nothing to see here, didnt do anything wrong. Going to do it again. Is that something that republicans in the senate can stand behind or do they need what has happened in every other scandal and every other impeachment, whether irancontra, bill clinton, some kind of apology, some concession from the president , dont think thats going to happen. Do some republican senators need it . Senate republicans are lockstep with this president. They dont see that he did anything wrong. While a lot will agree like i do it was inappropriate but they didnt see a quid pro quo. They didnt see high crimes and misdemeanor, treason or bribery and theyre going to stand firm with their position on this and its not going to change. The question is, what are the 31 democrats in the house going to do in districts that President Trump won, how are they going to go and vote for this . Thats going to be difficult. Its one thing to go out and vote for articles of impeachment inquiry, completely different to vote for an impeachment and theyre going to face some challenges in 2020. Tough vote. In the house or senate . In the house for these members. No, not a tough vote because the politics have moved. When you have 53 of the people saying it shut be an impeachment. I will say this, if you think lockstep is a good message for Susan Collins or gardner in colorado, im more than willing to join your ticket up there absolutely. Not going to be a good vote and thats why theyre going to look for room here. Heres the thing for the republicans. In 98 they overshot the runway on impeachment. Their danger here theyll undershoot the consequences. Well, Jeff Van Drew in blue new jersey has already said hes not voting for impeachment. And maybe peterson in minnesota as well to say it will be an easy vote for some of those swing district democrats is has already proven to be wrong, one in the bluest states in the country, my state has but, rahm, he has plenty of support from wait a second. From the governor from all the other members of his congressional delegation and from the two democratic United States senators, Jeff Van Drew could raise enough to he decided not to do this and in terms of overshooting the runway, nancy pelosi knows shes overshooting it here but has no choice but the popularity how about a higher rate than it was in the nixon impeachment. How about in the senate. Can the president afford to lose one, two or three senators i think he could afford to lose two. I think he can afford to lose two. That gets him to 49 so you dont have a majority of the United States Senate Voting for removal and i think that can be a good place where he lands and that allows someone like Susan Collins and cory gardner to take a walk. That that assumes romney holds firm. Listen, i saw mitt romney at the vaping meeting in the white house sitting right next to the president at that vaping meeting agreeing with him ande urging him to do certain things. I dont think this question to you. Chris raised an important standard right there. If on any article of impeachment, a majority of the senate votes to convict, how serious a problem for the president. It would be extremely serious but you have to look at this from the standpoint of, that doesnt look like its going to happen. Certainly the house is going to move forward. I dont see the senate if a few republicans decide to go that route, there will be a few democrats, i say, that will vote with the republicans and with the support of the president. The thing that is important to keep in mind from the Public Opinion standpoint, were virtually where we were at the very beginning. The needle has not moved significantly. If there does need to be consequences for this action, which i dont think is appropriate, i dont impeachment let the voters and le voters sothing wrong. Pridents act workinhe house for the modeenate e going normalizing the idea that you can go around overseas and have countries and governments and players influence american politics is going to upend and going to be the problem that haunts this president because hes normalized International Involvement in american politics. Lets see what doug jones does. Alabama. In alabama. Joe manchin. And lets see what joe manchin does in West Virginia. Joe is further away from an election. He just had one. He might have a little more wiggle room in West Virginia but doug jones has no wiggle room. Well have to take a quick break. 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We wanted to be agents of change. For the better. Over the last few days, i have come to one of the hardest decisions of my life. So heres the deal, guys. My campaign for president simply does not have the Financial Resources to continue. Im not a billionaire. I cant fund my own campaign and as the campaign has gone on, it has become harder and harder to raise the money we need to compete. In good faith i cannot tell you my supporters and volunteers that i have a path forward if i dont believe i do. Kamala harris now the 13th democrat to drop out of the president ial race. 15 remain. Still the largest field in memory, so what does her withdrawal mean for the other candidates . Does joe biden benefit the most . We asked fivethirtyeights nate silver do you buy that . A whole bunch of democrat has nice things to say about Kamala Harris after she suspended her campaign and, of course, its at least in part because they want to pick up some of her support. According to polling by yougov, it says most consider Elizabeth Warren their second choice but a lot are considering joe biden also. Lets think about the picture. Harris is polling at only 4 in the Fivethirtyeight National polling average and 4 only gets you so far. But there are other ways in which she was a bigger factor in the race. Number one for me, she removes a rival to biden among africanamericans. The black vote is his fire wall in South Carolina where biden is still up by more than 20 points in the fivethirtyeight polling average. To be fair, harris herself had still with her out of the race, and cory booker and Deval Patrick not yet having qualified for the remaining debates bidens lead looks bigger and harris removes a threat to biden among the Party Establishment based on endorsement, the best way we found to track what theyre thinking and doing harris had been a clear number two after biden. With her out, biden has more than twice as many endorsements as the next remaining rival, Elizabeth Warren and he got a pretty big endorsement in john kerry this week. Finally harris and biden were fishing in a little bit of the same pond as far as fundraising goes. Unlike warren and Bernie Sanders, biden and harris have both raised most of their money from big donors. And after a mediocre fundraising haul this summer, biden has reportedly seen an uptick in fundraising this quarter, so i do buy it. This is pretty clearly good news for biden. All year long weve seen that when harris steps to rise biden tend to fall and vice versa. With her surprisingly to me anyway early exit biden is in a position to benefit. Thanks to nate for that. Now lets bring in senator cory booker from iowa this morning. Senator, i heart you listen to nate. You had analysis this week of senator harris dropping out. You said the fact she had to drop out shows that something about the system is not fair. Unpack that for me a little bit. She started out with a bang. Had 20,000 at her rally at first and raised a lot of money early on and performed pretty well in the early debates and only fell back when she stumbled in the campaign. What is it about the system that caused her campaign to fail . Lets compare it to candidates. John kerry polling like her at 4 , john kerry pulled out all of his other campaign places and folded it all into iowa like Kamala Harris. John kerry had problems in his campaign. I think he fired staff just like people reported there was campaign but john kerry made it to iowa because he loaned himself 5 million. Kamala harris cannot loan herself 5 million and so the Democratic Party which makes a right critique that this we should be stopping the influence of big money in politics, that Kamala Harris stopped her campaign because of the Campaign Finance rules and the fact that she couldnt do what we see billionaires doing in this race which is flooding ads to jack up their poll numbers and get in, so there are a lot of people hurt this week including members of my family and friends who are supporting me who just saw this incredibly talented africanamerican woman who has done things that broken glass ceilings at every point of her career and now somehow the iowa voters cant make the decision i will remind you john kerry let me push back. Let me just remind you john kerry polling at 4 goes back, comes into iowa and finishes number one in the iowa caucus. Right, but let me push back on that a little bit. Joe biden is not a wealthy man. Pete buttigieg is not wealthy. Bernie sanders is not that wealthy. Senator warren is not that wealthy. Theyre all staying in and doing better. So that doesnt explain it and the billionaires in the race, the billionaires competing in iowa, tom steyer is pretty far back right now. Thats not really determining whats happening in iowa right now. But, george, its not just billionaire, its the fact that iowa voters should have the right to choose and thats the issue because iowa belies with a lot of respect for nate silver, belies polls in just about every time. There is never in the Democrat Party someone a frontrunner at this point thats ever gone on to the white house. Bill clinton, jimmy carter, barack obama around this time was 20 points behind hillary clinton. But iowa voters where you have to come out here and actually meet folk, you see people polling at low numbers end up finishing first. It wasnt just john kerry ha year. John edwards was polling at 2 and number 7 and finished number in iowa so im just at a point at this campaign in iowa, let voters decide. The debate stage, were running a campaign where in iowa and New Hampshire were in the top in endorsements. We have literally one of the top net favorabilities in the race. Were called by local media as one of the top field organizations and theyve even you had press people coming out in iowa and saying this is ridiculous. If the pollsters call you choose cory booker because he should be on that debate stage. We have been excited. Since the last debate weve been experiencing our biggest surge in online donations and have sums of people coming out just yesterday more elected officials in the state are endorsing my campaign and are frustrated that we are putting artificial barriers which often can be overcome by people with money determining who iowa gets to choose from. Something is wrong with the system. Whats your strategy Going Forward . It looks like and unless you get four polls iouda like youre not going takhe nt dete stage iow just go camp there for the next several weeks and does the fact that you have to serve as a likely juror in the senate trial of President Trump make that strategy almost impossible for you . No, look, this country is a testimony to the constant achievement of the impossible, so were doing like a lot of candidates have done in the past that were discounted by National Media and press, were running our campaign and were having a great result, and ive been so grateful to the American People because folks are going to corybooker. Com and making contributions to our campaign and helping us overcome these artificial barrierses. This is one of the best trips to iowa ive had. Our crowds so big were having overflow rooms and well keep running our campaign. As far as being a United States senator i take my oath very seriously even if the president is going to violate his. Imam going to be in the senate and do my job and trust that here in iowa well continue to build on this momentum were feeling right now and im really grateful thatt is momeour caai were king ror in s ra and wreoi to docan to keep y there because our online small dollar contributions are going up and i hope that americans will continue to support us in this last in that role in the senate youll be voting on witnesses. Do you think Rudy Giuliani especially in the wake of his trip to ukraine this week should appear before the senate and what was your reaction to the president saying he expects Rudy Giuliani to send a report on that trip to the attorney general . Look, this is just a disappointing chapter in American History that a president s private lawyer should also be engaging in with the president s consent in Foreign Policy interference. At the end of the day we are one nation and we have real threats and russia, we know, i read the intelligence reports is a real threat to our country, and whats going on right now is just unacceptable to anybody who is going to be a fair observer of fact and the fact that we cant get to the truth of this matter because giuliani is not willing to testify and the president of the United States is holding back witnesses that can give the American People insights into the true breadth and depth of this corruption is just should be frustrating to everyone. Finally let me ask you the question i asked the other members earlier. In the wake of the shooting in pensacola on friday, what should be done with the United States relationship with saudi arabia . How should it be reviewed . Reviewed, i mean, this is a relationship we have thats unacceptable from our military planes refueling their military planes to drop American Made bombs on yemen when weve given no authorization for the use of military force and the tragedies its causing with tens of thousands of children dying to what was mentioned earlier in your show, the murder of the outrageous killing of khashoggi. This is a relationship that has serious problems. And the fact that this president seems in a very transactional way doubling down on the relationship and telling us its because of financial interests is unacceptable. America is best when we lead with our values in a resolute manner, and this is a relationship that needs more than just an examination. In the senate we came together in a bipartisan way to rebuke what some of the things weve been doing with the saudis like the engagement in yemen. Its unacceptable and as president of the United States, i will change it. We will lead with our values again. Senator booker, thanks for joining us this morning. Thank you for having me. The roundtable weighs in on the democrats next. Well be right back. Well be right back. Danafarber Cancer Institute discovered the pdl1 pathway. Pdl1. They changed how the world fights cancer. Blocking the pdl1 protein, lets the immune system attack, attack, attack cancer. Pdl1 transformed, revolutionized, immunotherapy. Pdl1 saved my life. Saved my life. Saved my life. What we do here at danafaber, changes lives everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. We we all know trump has been messing around in ukraine over there, but you on the other hand sent your son over there to get a job and work for a gas company that he had no experience with gas or nothing, so youre selling access to the president just like he was so youre a damn liar, man. Thats not true and no one has ever said that. I didnt say you were doing anything wrong. You said i set up my son to work in an oil company. Isnt that what you said . Get your words straight, jack. Anger all over the place. In politics this week, that was joe biden in iowa this week. Trying to campaign for those caucuses coming up in just a couple months right now. Yvette, i saw you ski your head as you saw that but you heard a lot of supporters, former Vice President biden saying it shows he was strong and tough. W lehese questions . Better than that. I mean i think hes running for president , right. People want to seeing is a little different. I think than what theyre seeing. He needs to go with his prepared statement that the allegations have been investigated. There was no wrongdoing. Keep it moving. Thats the challenge with the Vice President is, one, he has these events out in public. You want your best moment and i dont think that was his best moment. As were looking at this, alice, now Going Forward on the democratic side, ill have you weigh in on this first. It looks like it is turning into something of a muddle. Biden kind of hanging on there nationally atop. Pete coming to the top taking more fire now in iowa. Elizabeth warren a little bit stalled and Bernie Sanders not going anywhere. What does that tell you . I look at the individual states and what we continue to see is the trend of buttigieg continuing to gain ground in the different states. And we have really four at the top thaw mentioned. We have biden and relief the more moderate candidates then warren and sanders, the more progressive to the left. Thats how i view this continuing to move forward. The key whomo tt group will continue their upward trajectory and be authentic, be consistent with their message and also connect. Right now it appears buttigieg is doing so but it just despends on how this moves forward. Look, Kamala Harris dropping out because she didnt have money, you dont need a lot of money. You can be a lean, mean political machine going through iowa. My camp had no money but still won the iowa caucus because it was about connecting with the voters. Thats what cory booker is hoping for, but can anyone outside that top four and set aside mayor bloomberg with a different strategy break out. Sure. I would not discount right now senator amy klobuchar. I think theres a little bit of a movement there in iowa and given let me say this, a couple things. One is i slightly disagree slightly it was a plus and minor for joe biden. His basic call on campaign, hes authentic. Anybody would attack any one of our kids as a father he reacted. And that does go to the strength. What the weakness was, he a great ad. He had a great endorsement and he stepped all over it. And so its both a plus and a minus in this sense. I do think whats important here is you line up the race, you still have this basically revolutionaries versus reformers and hasnt really been decided. I think what if you were honest, the president ial looks like an interlude in the impeachment. Thats kind of the main show and this look its not going to get real until the first of the year. They will learn something really born for the democrats and that comes in england. If corbin goes down in england with a very unpopular incumbent prime minister, thats going to tell and its as left as you can get. Its going to tell democrats something about the general election and i think that you look at Thatcher Reagan and looked at tony blair, bill clinton, you go through all this dash cam ron and bush. Its going to be a telling piece and the first primary that Boris Johnson hurts i think im hearing rahm say Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. I want to go back to Pete Buttigieg because i dont think theres anything authentic about Pete Buttigieg. Nothing. I would agree with you on based on . Hes all over the place. Now he is the moderate candidate. In south bend his record at best is a mixed bag. What youre seeing now because biden hasnt performed, because a lot of people disagree with warren philosophically they moved to buttigieg because hes the only one whos had some decent political performing and he has done that on the stage. Hes been a good campaigner. Listen, but, george, you know, thats not enough as you know when youre running for president. You also have people have to believe youre authentic. I think one of the problems cory booker has this is people havent noted him to be as authentic as they hoped he would be. Buttigieg has problems. This is a biden warren race in my view, and this is where it will come down to thats what it will come down. The rest of the people are pretenders. You got to give mayor pete credit. He had a rough start and weathered them and strengthened. To say hes not authentic, i actually i wouldnt go there. He has other vulnerabilities. That is not one of them and i think one of the problems is hes all head, no heart. What does he believe in . What does buttigieg believe in . There is no theme to the buttigieg campaign. You know what Elizabeth Warren believes in. You know what joe biden believes in. I have not a clue what Pete Buttigieg believes in other than Pete Buttigieg and his own ambition. Those are the two things he believes in the most. Its a weird day in the world when im agreeing with Chris Christie about this. Kumbaya. I have to check my temperature. I must have a fever. I agree and what were hearing out on the trail is hisfre af shifting at an opportunistic moment when biden is falling. This most recent press conference where he refuses to disclose who his donors are, keeps putting his foot in his mouth around black and brown voters hold on a second. I think weve seen is something weve seen throughout this primary process so far. Whenever somebody starts to rise, they take a whole bunch of incoming. That comes with the process. But theres Something Different when he literally theres Something Different when you literally shift your policy position so dramatically and people are literally showing the videos of how he was a huge supporter of these progressive ideals and now hes been a phony from the beginning. People are alice, go ahead. Buttigieg is suffering from the whackamole of president ial politics. Now that hes up consistently in several of these early state people are tearing him down, and thats how the process works. But the good thing or the thing in his favor for his campaign, this has been a slow and steady increase in the key states and what exemplifies is more people meet him facetoface, the more they tend to gravitate toward him, which goes to show he is authentic and that is a big factor. Rahm, let me bring you a different question because one of the things were seeing is a kind of a jumbled field and i asked people to Pay Attention Going Forward to two numbers, 3 and 15. You need 15 of vote in any Congressional District to get a delegate. If three people, candidates have that coming out of super tuesday, the chance that democrats are going to be able to have a majority on a first ballot is way down there right now and the fact that Mike Bloomberg is spending all that money on super tuesday complicates it even more. I they have thought id say this. I believe in the spring well have a number of frontrunners without having a nominee and i think thats thats increasingly more likely. I want to say one other thing, look, mayor pete is not about a policy issue so much as about a theme of unity which is what president obama ran on. To say he has other issues but authenticity is not one of them, et cetera, that said, theres four and maybe five seats coming s going to have one of them. I think what we should remember about the early process, only 150 delegates, but iowa, all retail politics, New Hampshire, independent voters get to vote. Nevada is going to be machine politics between harry reid and culinary voters a first time minority voters, humanitarian voters get a voice and South Carolina he does not survive South Carolina. That may be view but my point you cant make the last point because were out of time. You guys can all vote. Thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. Ill see you tomorrow on gma followed by our live coverage of the house impeachment hearing starting at 9 00 eastern. Have a good day. Eastern. Have a good day. Doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacistrecommendeding . Memory support brand. You can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. Prevagen. Healthier brain. 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