Original switch. Youre out of your mind. I wouldnt care if they traced her heritage to cabbage patch, usa. Im her father, i always have been and i always will be. Barbara i cant imagine what it would have been like. Was it deliberate . This was no accident. I asked her on her deathbed. Her daughter said, who made you god . And why . Why was i switched . Having grown up in florida, i knew a bit about wauchula. I knew this is a place where probably only a few thousand people lived in the whole county, and were talking sort of backwoods florida. This is a very rural country town. There were two stoplights in the city of wauchula in 1978. Two of em. One of em was right not far from the courthouse, and the other was about a mile to the south. Its a small town. Neighbors trust each other. People dont lock their doors. Its a place where generations generations have lived in the same county. It was the only hospital. And only one obstetrician. Two women came to hardee memorial to have their babies. They were a beautiful couple. He was handsome and charming and she was tall and lovely. They were the perfect florida couple. We had a nice place to live on a lake a boat and ski. Just really enjoyed life. It was wonderful. Barbara and i knew we wanted to have a family, she just didnt get pregnant. We wanted to have a child very badly, and we just kept trying. She came home one day and just had a real peculiar grin on her face and whispered in my ear, what do i think about being a dad . We were very jubilant. She was pregnant and it looked like everything was going to come together for us. Approximately three hours into her labor, he monitored fetal distress. It became severe enough i ordered a emergency cesarean section for delivery. I was unable to determine very much about the babys condition due to the fact that the caesarean required my attention to the mother. And so this seemed to be a very hard delivery, and they were looking forward to bringing the new baby home. They decide to call the baby kimberly. About the same time, dr. Black had a patient, regina twigg. She also was about to have a baby. My parents were always bringing a baby home. [ laughter ] it seems like mom was always pregnant, you know, with eight children. She would sit us down. Hey, kids, guess what . [ laughter ] the rumors at the time were barbara mays, whose maiden name was coker, the cokers were of some prominence in the town. They have been here as long as i can remember. Contrast that to the twiggs family who were said to be quite poor. Ernest was employed by amtrak, and he worked at the station here. He was heavily involved in helping people get on and off the trains and making reservations and all that. Regina had a teaching degree, but with all the children, she didnt work that much. [ so barbara mays gives birth on november 29th. And three days later, regina twigg goes into labor. At midnight, just around 12 00 midnight, the contractions started, and i told my husband, ernest, come on, ernest. We need to get down there. The babys going to be coming. So we take off down the road to wauchula, which is a country setting. I mean, its like nothing is around except the animals that hide in the scrub brush. Im saying, oh, ern. Hurry, ern. But he says, just be calm, dear. I cant go through the stop signs, dear. Now, just breathe, dear. We drove around to where the emergency room was. And they called dr. Black right away. Meanwhile im saying, oh, you will give me some gas, wont you . You will give me some gas, wont you . Because i was the biggest coward on this earth. And people are astounded that i had that many children and was that big of a coward at my deliveries. She had a spontaneous easy delivery of what appeared at the time to be a perfectly healthy infant. Oh, i had my heart set on a girl. We had lost a baby girl in 1975. She was our last little girl. Regina had lost a daughter, a baby girl, to a heart defect at the age of 6 weeks. We were on the road and vivia actually passed away. She was on the backseat with me, and i noticed that she was choking and her eyes were rolling in her head. My father took vivia from me and did cpr on her. By the time we got to the hospital, all i remember is them running her in really quick, and i remember being in the back part of the car. And my parents come out and let us know that she had passed away. So regina twigg is in the hospital. Shes a little bit nervous hoping her next child is healthy. When shes told initially the child is healthy, shes very relieved. I said, oh wow, gee, oh oh oh im so happy its a baby girl. We have a little girl again. Regina told me that when she was in the hospital, she was walking down the hall. You know, after having a baby, you get up and walk around the hall. And she looked into the room. There was only one other patient in the whole maternity section. And she saw that the mother seemed very sad and distressed. And she stopped and she lingered and said, what did you have . And the woman said, a girl. But looked down and looked away. Then a nurse came along and hurried regina away, and said, this is a very sad story. When she came home, she told me about that. That that was she wonders what was going on with the situation there. Regina had been breastfeeding her baby every four hours. And on the third day, the nurse handed her a baby that just didnt seem like the same baby. She noticed that the baby didnt want to nurse and the baby looked kind of blue. She said, i dont think this is my baby. This baby is darker in color. And the nurse said, no, mrs. Twigg, this is your baby. Youre a little nervous about everything. And they said, look at the band on the wrist that said, twigg. When youre a nervous new mother, what are you going to say . Sounds crazy. And i never dreamed, not for a second on this earth, that they had given me somebody elses baby. And later i mentioned it to my husband what i had said to her. And my husband said, youre crazy. Youre absolutely crazy. This is crazy. Dont talk like that. Its stupid. That sounds like something that my dad would say. That thats pretty much how our household ran, you know, was, hey, everythings okay. En why, lets not upset anybody here, because this is what theyre telling you. The next day, a doctor who regina didnt know, who was not her doctor, came in said, im dr. Palmer. We understand that you had a baby who died from heart disease. This baby has a heart problem too. And i just began to wail through the whole hospital floor. And ernest said, in his laid back way, oh, calm down, dear. Calm down. And he tried to comfort me, but my heart was broken. Oh, my god, just like vivia. Oh, god no. That kind of thing. The baby had a very severe heart condition, and they didnt expect the baby to live over a week. Regina left the hospital later that morning, along with ernest and the sick baby. The mays left the hospital carrying the well baby. It would be almost ten years before anyone learned for sure the babies had been switched. When that happened 100 million in damages. All hell broke loose. music playing too early. Good music playing anncr ready or not the holidays are here, so warm up your holiday spirit with donut sticks new chocolate dipping sauce and a cinnamon cookie latte, from mccafe. Well, maybe not forever. Doors are open so hurry to save on boots. Keurig. Diamond jewelry. Plus 40 off levis® jeans for him and her sale ends saturday jcpenney the best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside. The ninja foodi Pressure Cooker, the Pressure Cooker that crisps. 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When the twiggs were discharged from the hospital, the doctor in wauchula told them they needed to take arlena to a Specialty Hospital that dealt in pediatric cardiac illnesses. Arlena only had one working valve out of four, and the doctors told regina that if they had waited one more day, the baby would have been dead. She had pneumonia. They put her on antibiotics, and this saved her life, and she rallied. She was very, very spunky, just a precious, precious baby girl. She had to give arlena heart medicine three times a day. And they actually said, whether this child lives or dies will depend on how carefully you monitor the condition and medicate her. She was very fragile. When you put your hand on arlenas back, you could feel her heart beating. It was very scary, because we didnt know from one day to the next, are we gonna lose her too . Meanwhile, the mays family is flourishing. They had a beautiful baby and they were doing well. We just had a wonderful time with kim. We took her everywhere we went and dressed her and showed her off. We were just as proud as we could be of her. 18 months after giving birth, barbara mays was diagnosed with advanced stage 4 ovarian cancer, which was a death sentence. Soon after regina received a phone call. A woman said, mrs. Twigg, you may not remember me, but i had a baby at the same time you had a baby in hardee Memorial Hospital. Regina called me and she said, i had a really strange phone call. This woman called me and said we were in the hospital together. And she said, i was thinking, wouldnt it be nice if our babies could get together and play together . She said that would be fine. She gave her her address. She said well, well try to get over there to see you. And i said, well, thats strange. I cant imagine somebody calling you and asking you that. Then regina calls me some time later, and she said there was an odd car out in front of our house. It was white. They had a little screened porch on the front of the house, and arlena was out there in a little playpen playing with some toys. And they were just sitting there watching the house. And she said she looked out a couple times, they were still there. Maybe this is the woman that called me. Maybe theyd like to come in. So she went out to talk to them, and they drove away. This is not things she told me later. She called me and told me right after that happened. Regina doesnt know it then, but that phone call, years later, will be the key to unlocking the mystery. Barbara mays died in march of 1981. Kimberly was just over 2 years old, and of course so was arlena. She couldnt run and play like everybody else. If she overexerted herself her finger tips would turn purple and her heart would turn purple because the heart wasnt Strong Enough to support the activity. My mom would her skate a little bit. She loved to skip, but that was about all that she could do. I remember mom telling her, you need to settle down. You need to calm down. You need to go sit down. I remember we had this large tree on the side of the house. It was huge. And we all climbed it. She was like, im going to climb that tree. And im like, sweetheart, you cant climb that tree. She turned around and looked at me and was like, why not . I said, well, youre special. She would cry and say, i dont want to be special. I want to be normal like everybody else. All she wanted was to be normal. She begged, begged for that. Thats all she ever begged for. Just let me be a normal little girl. She started to gradually go downhill. Her heart was struggling. She was tired. Her lips seemed more purple. She was struggling with schoolwork because of the lack of oxygen. It was starting to affect her memory. She was 9 years old and she was becoming weaker and weaker. The doctor had told us that after a certain point in time, they wouldnt operate. So we decided on the surgery on our own heart. And we set the date. In preparation for surgery, arlenas blood was typed. They learned that arlena had a b blood type. It is impossible for otype parents to have a natural btype child. I didnt know what to think. I just could not understand why is she a b positive when my husbands an o positive, and im an o negative . The record said o positive on the baby wed given birth to. What theyve just found out has already rocked their world, but it is nothing compared to what theyre gonna learn with the genetics test. They took the genetics test at Johns Hopkins. Dr. Wilma vas, the head geneticist at Johns Hopkins told us of the results. She said mr. And mrs. Twigg, im sorry to have to tell you this, but the test results have proven that arlena is not linked genetically to either one of you. I went into total shock. And my husband turned white. He almost passed out. And mrs. Wilma vas is going on and on about the results of the tests, and im trying to listen to her and im going back into this shock. Just struggling through all this horror. You know, oh, my god, no, no, no. The whole gamut of thoughts went through my head. She has to be mine. She has to be mine. In the hospital on the little card in the bassinet it said baby twigg. Where is baby twigg . Then i had to accept it. And then i had to accept it. We said that she would always be our daughter, and that we would always love her. They were facing a life of or death operation. How do we make a scented oil plugin that doesnt smell fake . Start with the essence of nature air wick scented oils are infused. With essential oils that are 100 natural. To fill every corner with the fragrance of nature. 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The twiggs had been completely shocked when they found out that arlena was not their child. But they were not going to burden arlena with that. Arlena was getting ready for surgery, so we couldnt tell her. We felt like, well, we would relate everything once the surgery was over and she was doing well, and we would work through it. The night before she went in for her surgery, i was optimistic, but i was also scared a little bit. But i didnt want that to show. She and i, we slept on the pull out couch and talked and talked and talked and talked for hours. Arlena was very afraid of the surgery. She told me that she was afraid to die. And i said, youll be fine. You will come out of this beautiful, healthy. Youll be able to run and skip and jump and do everything that all the other children do. She got excited for that. The next morning, she went to the hospital. They took her into surgery. And regina visited her right after. When she came out of surgery, she was so beautiful. She was pink and looked healthy and normal. And i walked in the room, and i was like, oh, my gosh. Look at you. You look so good. She just beamed. You could see it in her eyes. And her smile that she was like, i did this. Im okay. I stood there and watched her start to struggle. And i got a nurse and asked them to please help her. Nobody knew what was going on. She couldnt speak because she was intubated. And arlena just looked over at me, like, help me. What do i do . And i i felt so helpless. The twiggs were sent out of the room so they could work on arlena, but then she went into a coma, and they called them back. I remember watching the monitor and the heart rate just dropped and dropped and dropped until she was gone. I felt like i had died with her. The surgery itself was a success, but because her kidneys failed, she just didnt make it. And i laid my head on her chest and told her i was sorry that i couldnt help her. I stayed at my best friends house. I remember my mom showed up. And she just told me that she passed away. I couldnt believe it. She wasnt supposed to die. Everybody said she would be okay. When she went down that hallway, i wanted to say, no, stop, stop. You know, i was so afraid wed lose her, but i couldnt because it had to be done, because if she didnt have the surgery done, she would die anyway. My older brother and i were out at uncle sam and aunt marges. I was watching a tv program or something, and it came over me that she was gone. She was my best friend. She was my sidekick. I was the one pulling her around in the little red wagon in the front yard after church on sundays. We always did everything together. I visited her grave a lot. I put flowers, and i would buy the huge wreaths, and i went above and beyond because i wanted her to know that i was still there and that i loved her and missed her. And that she was worth that big display of gorgeous flowers. She died on august 23rd, 13 years to the day from the day her baby sister died. They both died august 23rd, 13 years apart. My mom was very griefstricken. There was a void in her. Regina had been so passionate for so many years trying to save arlena and now all of that emotion she was turning it to determination to find her missing child. I thought, where is baby twigg . What happened to here . Where she was . Was she happy . We had to find the baby. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. Chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, youll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. When you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. 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It was one of the biggest stories we had when the story first came to light. Your respoe rorter nt be true you hear about a baby swapped in a hospital. It just sounds unbelievable. I think what they were hoping to do is this publicity could maybe help lead them to their missing child. What we want most to happen right now is to find our biological daughter. Before i knew very much about the case, i thought maybe you can prove this isnt your child genetically, but its gonna be hard to find where the real baby is. In the metropolitan section or the metro florida i think its called, i looked down and i see, couple suing wauchula hospital. Well, naturally, being from wauchula i read it. They said this little girl was born on november the 29th and one on the 3rd and they were switched at birth. I said no way and shoved the paper across to my husband. I said, kimberly is the little girl that was born the 29th. He said how do you know that . I said, too many times that barbara and bob and other people told us they were the only three. There were only three children in the hospital. It turned out the twiggs hired a private investigator that was able to find there was only one other white child born in that time period at that hospital. In fact, they knew exactly who it was. One day an investigator showed up on my doorstep. This is a man working for the twiggs attorney. He told me that the twiggs were present in his office, that he was calling to put me at rest, to let me know that they were just wanting to find where their child was and that she was happy and cared for. And that was their main concern. I said, well, thats fine. But what does that have to do with me . He said, well, we take a vial of blood to be analyzed by your daughter. I said, youre out of your mine. Its not going to happen. He said, well, well get it one way or the other. We will get it or we will take you to court for it. And i said, well, you just said the magic words. I said, this conversation is over, and if you hear from me again it will be from my attorney. I got a phone call in my office from a fella that i knew kind of well. He was a salesmen named bob mays. When he showed up, he was completely shaken, and he says, i dont know if this is some kind of a prank. I dont know what theyre doing this for. But the last thing he imagined was that it was true. He could not imagine that Kimberly Mays was not actually his daughter. So the fbi came to him and said, will you take a Lie Detector Test . He says, ill take any kind of a test. This is my baby. He took a Lie Detector Test and passed it with flying i am her father. I always have been and always will be. At this point the twiggs hasnt taken custody. But it looms over the hearings. Any chance its not your daughter . I dont think so. Why not take the test . I dont feel lack why . Why should i . The twigg files. Not because they want custody, but they want to get to know kimberly. The way you lose this case is incrementally. First they come in and want blood typing and then they want dna. As each thing goes you are slowly allowing this camel to get its nose under your tent and pretty soon the camel is under the tent and youre outside. The only way to begin that is at the beginning, so you got put up a wall. You got protect that and stop them at that first step. While at its heart this case is very emotional about a child, its completely surrounding by legal maneuverings for months. The florida courts consistently ruled that biological parents are you had the twiggs lawyer, sober, soft spoken. John was a really good choice for them. John was very professional, very smooth, very intelligent. When i saw that john showed up, i went,s this taking a different turn now. I knew i wasnt going to be able to bark him down or run him off or lecture him about the nuances after florida law. I had to get somebody who knew more than i did. Mays hired a divorce la you are in that town. Im going in the mens room. You want to go in there with me . Arret ginsburg was known to everybody in the legal community. I say im very friendly. The mays lawyer argued getting kimberly tested would make her suffer. The legal team hired several psychologyists as i recall who voiced the opinion it would not be in the best interest of kimberly to get the testing. Important not to diminish and weaken the bond between kimmerly mays and her father, bob. There are six significant experts that say this will destabilize this child. Yet here we still were. Mr. Mays i gather you finally had to sit down with kimberly and explain this whole thing to her. What did she say . How do she take it. She only showed a great deal of concern at one point in the presentation. That was whaen she became aware that i was maybe indicating she was somebody elses girl. She may have to leave me. He was able to present himself as a sympathetic figure and say, i love kimberly. This is the only family shes ever had. Why should anybody snatch her away and take her to a family she knows nothing about. I remember for the twiggs, them being villainized, she was cruel. Hocked they be wanting to get the child back it had been raised by somebody else. If they really cared about their child they would let her go. The only priority here is kim we a berly. That has got to come to an end. Bob wanted regina to give up. If you knew her you knew she was never going stop. She was not going to go away. Probably never. Like 4 lines for 25 per line per month plus unlimited gigs, so the music never stops. Switch and get 4 lines for 25 per line per month, plus 4 free Samsung Galaxy phones, all on our super reliable, super fast network. A lot will happen in your life. Wrinkles just wont. 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Yes, she was a mother, but there was something more than that. When stories of the swap were in the headlines there would be a sentence or two about reginas background but only touched on what her childhood been like. If you talk to her today, the story of her childhood is as mind boggling as the one about the swap. Regina grew up in a town by the river in ohio, and she was poor. My name is John David Carr jr. Im regina twiggs brother. There was four of us. Two older sisters, regina and myself. My mother used to sing to us. And she loved us very much. She was a good, good mother. What happened to her she did not deserve. Homer gibbons was my biological dad. And he was a chronic alcoholic. My father was a big brute. 66, 68, 300, 350 pounds. He was a heavy drinker. And my mother was very small and skinny. And he just he abused her. He didnt want the responsibility of us, so he accused my mother of being mentally ill, and he just dragged her off to a mental institution. And she was not mentally ill. I just remember us sitting in the back seat, and they took her out of the car, screaming and crying for her children. That is forever etched in my memory. Regina and her siblings were placed in a childrens home. I remember laying in a criblike bed, looking up at the ceiling. Er. Ust like we were kind of just there. This was a brick building. I remember looking out the window at the river, wondering what was out on the other side. When you looked out the window of the childrens home, you could see the barges on the ohio river. And i would sing my heart longs for you, you know, because i missed my mother. My heart longs for you, cries for you, sighs for you the people in charge in the orphanage were mostly teenagers themselves, so the children were left pretty much on their own and had to kind of supervise themselves. The girls that watched us wanted to fondle the little kids. And another little girl told me, look out for them. If they come around you start to scream. So thats what i did. And they left me alone. We had one that was just absolutely the meanest thing that ever walked the face of the earth. If you peed your bed, she would take and stick your head in the toilet and flush it. And we had a closet, so if you got out of line, theyd stick you in that closet and leave you. Today, they would be all charged with child abuse. In the orphanage, the boys and the girls were kept separate, but they would see each other at play time. And they would run to the edge of the fence and touch each other through the links of the fence. Regina and i used to talk through the fence together. And that was our time together. She was feisty, and she didnt let any of the kids pick on me. As long as she was there, i felt safe. So if i told her what was happening, she would make a stink about it. After a few years, a little sister, a half sibling of reginas, came to live at the orphanage. Regina watches her siblings disappear as they were taken off for adoption, and her biological family became smaller and smaller. At one point, regina watched as her younger sister was being taken. A man held one of her hands and a woman held her other hand and they walked away toward a car. I was 9 years old when i was ado adopted. They said, hes adopted. Thats kind of hard. I didnt have anyone anymore. They changed my name from mary lee to regina iris. My adopted mother said about my family, just forget about them. Theyre not a part of your life anymore and never will be. When we gina was 12, her father came from behind and began to molest her. I was saying daddy, daddy, let me go. The adopted mother heard me saying that and let him have it between his eyeballs. That just wasnt going to happen. I was in middle school, and they put me in the gifted class. That was not easy for me, because i had a hard time with math, so i would come home every six weeks with my report card, and i would have a d on my report card in math. So my adopted mother would have my adopted dad take me down to the cellar. I had to remove my clothes except my bra and my panties. And i got beat with a belt from my waist down to my back of my legs. As soon as regina graduated from college, she left home and started an independent life. I moved to akron, ohio, and got an apartment. And i wanted to find my brother. And i was able to secure his phone number. He only lived five miles away i was just walking ten feet off the ground. Regina was contacted by her twin sisters. They had also found her mother. And they had taken her mother out of the mental institution. We hugged each other, and she understood that my name had been changed to regina. But i told her, i said, ill always be your marylee. Ill always be your little marylee, mom. It was good that i could reconnect with people that i had shared my Early Childhood with. And i still have a relationship with my sisters. When i was 26 years old, i married ernest lee twigg. We met and ended up getting married three months later. Having lost my brothers and sisters, having lost my moth i feel like when i met my husband, he was my knight in shining armor and this was my happiness and so i have lived for my family. This is my reason for living. She was determined that she was gonna be the best mom she could be. And when she was going through this business with finding her child and all those battles, thats what gave her her backbone and spine was her background there at that orphanage and having to stand up for ourselves. Regina wasnt going to be stopped. Bob mays wasnt going to be stopped either, so now what . We didnt know where this would go. There had been no other case like this. It was almost like the perfect storm. 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It exploded on the National Stage in a way nobody would have thought. The trial was nothing less than sensational. The huge story, wall to wall coverage. Im her father, i always have been and always will be. Dads like, yeah, these people are saying that youre their little girl. Im just like, daddy, dont let them take me away. At the moment i said that its like survival mode. There was another side to robert mays. My father would call me stupid, an idiot, dumb. I will go to my grave convinced it was not an accident. We cannot get enough of this mays story when i was at people magazine. A story everybody has a feel og or opinion about. Is there a way to pix this tragedy that occurred in this hospital 40 years ago . The twiggs say whether intentionally or by accident, somebody at the hospital switched their healthy infant for a sick one. I just feel like this kind of thing just cant happen and we cant let this go. We asked for genetic testing so under the law we could prove she was our daughter. I said youre out of your mind. Its not going happen. The mays position is getting a genetics test would hurt Kimberly Kimberly will probably suffer from this for the rest of her life. The public assumed this was a custody fight and the twiggs were trying to get custody. They werent. Bob mace underlined the idea the twiggs were trying to break up his family. There was a p. R. War going on with each side, understandably, their lawyers seeking the public sympathy and the sympathy of the press. Our relationship is not like many father daughter relationships. We have ea lot of turmoil in o lives but the consistency in it all is when the smoke cleared and the tragedy was over, kim and i were still together. He lost the first love of his life. He falls in love again. It ends in a divorce. What he had left was his daughter. His daughter was his world. Bob was a great guy. He was smart. He loved children. And loved kimberly. The only thing im worry about is my daughter. Bob was a salesman. He had the good looks and quick wit of a salesman and everybody loved him. Shes truly with one thats got to be considered. When i heard him talk i felt sorry for him and i liked him. It was just he and kim against the world. But there was another side to robert mays. I think i first became aware of the other dimension when i was able to convince his second wife, Cindy Tanner Mays to speak with me for my book. Cindy worked at the hospital where barbara was getting treatment for her ovarian cancer. And thats how bob mays and cindy met. She would look after the kimberly while barbara was getting radiation treatment. So while barbara mays was dying of cancer, she made the decision that she wanted to leave robert mays and she filed for divorce. Just five weeks before her death. And shortly after that, cindy moved into the apartment. Then bob told kimberly that cindy was her mother. Kimberly was only around 2 years old at the time. She was so young she lost her memory of barbara. Kimberly called cindy mommy. And kimberly believed that cindy was her real and only mother. And it came out that bob mays had kept barbaras parents from having any visitation with kimberly for five years. They had to get a court ord for bob mays to allow them to see their own granddaughter. Ddaught. That meant these grandparents had to be explained somehow. That cindy was her mommy now, but when she was a baby she had a different biological mother who died. When bob divorced cynthia, he would not allow her to see kim we areally anymore. While publicly bob mays is seen as the perfect dad, behind closed doors there are shocking allegations raised by his second wife cindy that she was an abusive father. The attorneys were taking depositions for the suit against the hospital. When we deposed cindy it was tuning to find out that bob may was as abusive as he was to kimberly. He thought the way to correct a child was to spank a child. Not just a pat, but very strong, a lot of his strength. His temper just exploded and the next thing i know, kimberly, like, sailed across the room. He even whipped her with a book and there was bruises left on her bottom. He would berate her. He would call her stupid. He would call her lazy. After bob mays and cindy got a divorce, to be took kimberly away from the mother that she knew, and very soon there after started dating another woman who is now his third wife. From day went it was just like we clicked. And we had been together for a year when we found out about the switch. There was a standoff over the genetics testing for over a year. The twiggs are anxious to meet her. A year is a long time, especially in the life of a child. Robert mays who raised her agreed to the genetic testing but the twiggs had to promise not to seek custody. They have to right to visit her. We had to agree we will not seek custody if you give us visitation and let us see the medical records and get the testing done. And we find out exactly who kimberly is. Genetic tests prove that Kimberly Mays is really the daughter of ernest and regina twigg. It wasnt until the day the children knew they had another living sibling. He called us and said, shes a twigg. I go, oh my god the twiggs finally think life is going to get better now. We are going to be able to have access to the child. Little did they know,s this really just the beginning of a new and terrible chapter for them. Music playing right now there is more private information on your phone than in your home. Your location. Your messages. Your heart rate after a run. These are private things. And they should belong. To you. [lock clicking] skip to the good part with alkaseltzer plus. Now with 25 more concentrated power. Nothing works faster for powerful cold relief. 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They have known about kimberly for two years and now theyre finally going to meet her at a miniature golf course. I remember our first visit with kimberly. It was exciting. She got off the car and come running up to us. I felt an immediate connection with her. Theres a picnic table and all the children sitting around the picnic table. This little girl in a green tshirt was looking up at us as we were walking. It seemed like slow motion. Like tv. One foot in front of the other. My eyes were glued to this little girl. She came around and was proper and sweet and said how do you do . For an instant i thought she had the inclination to hug me so i reached out my arms and said, can i have a great big hug . She says, yes. She gave me this hug. I was at a total loss of words. It was like, duh. I said, been a long time. She said, all my life and back. We went and played a game of golf with her. She picked up a golf ball and said, here mom, and handed me the golf ball. The children were in shock. Iris says, did you hear her . She called you maam. I didnt want to confuse her. I said, honey, i know you have a new step mom, if you feel more comfortable, it would be all right if you can call us mom and dad twigg. Thats all right with us. Initially the visits were going great. They were going different places. They were all getting along. Regina and i were in touch very frequently and she would talk to me about how the visits went. Hi we went to the Bowling Alley hi. Hi how are you . Fine. We laughed at silly things. We just clicked. This is little kimberly. Were a lot alike, so thats i believe it was just easy to have so much fun together, even though i was so many years older than her. Im your sister. I know you are. And im her sister. Yep. If you think about kimberly during those visits, its quite possible that this was a great relief to her. If you recall that for years now, she was being kicked, beaten, told she was stupid, punished. Then just think, suddenly she was in a place with someone who she understood to be the true mother surrounded by siblings who were interested in her, who looked like her. A big family rather than just her alone with robert mays. You can see why shed be dancing joyfully. There was no one to stop her. There was no one to punish her. There was no one to call her names or abuse her. She could tell me anything. I could talk to her easily. She talked a lot about she didnt know what to say when she would go back. Home. Because she didnt know what would trigger him, what would get him upset. I think what happened was that the visits were going so well that robert mays was sensing that he difference in kimberlys attitude at home. I want to be probably a doctor. I had a sixth sense that something was going to happen. We just wouldnt be allowed to see her anymore. I said, kim, it may work out where you cant see us anymore, but we want you to know we love and we would never give up on you. All right. Look over here and she said, i love you too. And sure enough, that was the last time that they were together. After a half a dozen or so visits, kim began to show some negative things. Grades began to fall. Attitude in class. All sorts of things were happening. And i called to cancel a visit. What it seems to be is that he was starting to feel that he was losing control of the situation, that kimberly was drawn to the new family, that she was not as obedient and felt she had another place to go. We knew then we were dealing with a bad big character here and he never intended to let us continue with the visitations. Theres no reason to talk to him anymore about it because hes not going to change, so thats when we went back to court. So they just filed another motion in court. They want every other weekend, every other holiday, weans in the summer. This was ridiculous. They were total strangers. Until we could get this under control in some way, it was my opinion we shouldnt have any visitations. The twiggs and mays dont agree on much, but they agree on the idea the hospital was at fault. Both sued the hospital where their children were switched at birth and both families received settlements in excess of 6 million. Even though we settled to case against the hospital, we shouldnt be here today. Certainly if she could establish an of loing relationship with them, why didnt i . The next time regina sees kimberly its going to be no court and its going to be kimberly suing to twiggs. To get them out of my life, ill do everything i can. Seems like some are going at the speed of yesteryear. But not here. This is capital one. Where banking moves at the speed of right now. You can open a new savings account in about 5 minutes and earn five times the national average. From here or here in our cafes. Plus, there are no fees or minimums on savings or checking accounts. 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Its a child custody saga thats played out in the media. Tonight on turning point, switched at birth. He had interviews with everyone in the trial, including the exclusivive the one everybody wanted, with one with kimberly. Gosh. I feel to nervous. You just look at me. Forget about the cameras. And well take our time. Done . All right kimberly, your dad thinks youre a very remarkable young woman and you have been through an awful lot. Do you just kind of take each day . Yeah, i just say to myself thank the lord that youve got him at least. Daddy, you mean . Yeah, dad. What he like . Hes really fun. Hes loving, caring. The tests prove that this child you had raised was not yours but was the child of another family. Correct. Howd you feel . Empty. Totally wiped out. What did you i still cant talk about it. Its just drained me completely. You had to tell kimberly. Oh, yes. And she began to cry, and i began to cry. Just trying to reassure her that it didnt mean anything, that we she was was my child. The twiggs are convinced it was you who made well, theyre wrong. I just cant imagine what it must be like to be nine years old and to be told that maybe you were switched. To put her on tv and talking to Barbara Walters is expressing her desires is going to be the most effective tool bob mays has of winning the case. Can you take me back to that time . It was terrifying. I was just shocked. I was like, what . And dads like, yeah. These people are saying that youre their little girl, and, yeah, i was like, daddy, dont let them take me away. Dont let me take them away. But if you were having a nice time with your biological prosecut brothers and sisters and the twiggs were nice to you, why didnt you say oh, well . They were saying stuff, really bad things about my mom well, miss twigg. She said my deceased mother, barbara, is the one that switched us babies. So you got angry because your parents were being attacked . Yes, maam. When did you decide you wanted to terminate all the rights and that you just didnt want to do this anymore . I saw gregory cay on the news. Todayyeldoy hasou fr his nat. Gregory, youre the son of mr. And mrs. Russ at this moment. I was like, well, if this little kid could do it, i can do it. I would have loved at the very beginning just to have shared a relationship. Our family would have been friends with robert mays if he would have allowed it. Why do you think the visits were ended . Robert mays had no intentions of ever, ever allowing us any part of kimberlys life. All rise. This court is in 12th condition care cut. Everything we learned about this case was all coming to a head here in this courtroom and all eyes were going on on kimberly. Your honor, we are going to call Kimberly Mays. Okay. Get started. Kimberly, could you state your full name for the record . Kimberly mays. Im 14 1 2 years old. Who are your parents . Robert mays and darlene mays. Have you ever told mrs. Twigg that you love her . Yes, sir. Can you indicate to the court how that came about . When we left i would say i love you. I say i love to you everybody i know. When regina testified she was trying to be as in control as possible. Did you attend all of the visitations with your kimberly . Yes, i did. Tell us what you remember about the first visit . Kimberly picked up a golf ball and handed it to me, and said, here, mom, and i was in total shock. Did you ask her to call you mom . I did not. Kimberlys lawyers put a psychologyist on the stand to show regina was unfit to be a parent. They appeared to be features. I found she did not trust others easily. Do you love the twiggs . No, sir, i do not. Do you love ernest twigg . No, sir, i do not . Do you love their children . No, sir, i do not. Whats your biggest fear . Being taken away from my father. If you could be granted one wish, what would that be . Terminating their parental rights and getting my life back. Thank you. What if the judge decides its not in kimberlys best interest to have visitations . If the courts tell us to walk away, down the road if she wants to see us, were here and we love her. Kimberly, what if the courts decides you should have visitation rights with mr. And mrs. Twigg . I wouldnt i wouldnt wed probably i would want an appeal. You dont want to see them under any circumstances. Right. None whatsoever. The judge ruled today in the case of Kimberly Mays. Kimberly mays has won her case. She never has to see her biological parents again. Do you think there might ever be a time in your life when youre older where you would want to see mr. Or mrs. Twigg and our brother os sisters . As far as youre concerned youre over it. Do you think youll ever get over it . Never. I think we all expected kimberly would go back to her life the way it was before. Quietly with her father. 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I wish i can turn back the hands of time on a lot of things, and i cant. Did kimberly seek out this idea for Divorce Proceedings or did you help her with it . She came to, i believe first, my wife darlena and then came to me. And my first reaction to kim was that i think you really better think about this. We had heard for many, many months that kim wanted to divorce her biological parents. At the time it was very much portrayed that this was all kimberlys idea. At the time, the lawyer dealing with our case was like, well, you know, there is a kid. His names gregory k. Hes divorcing his biological mother. Thats an option, for you to divorce the twiggs. And egs i was like, oh, okay. I said you must understand you dont just divorce ernest and regina. You divorce the entire family. She told me right then that first sitting, daddy, theyre all part of it. I wanted to know about them. I wanted to know about the twiggs. I wanted to know what my biological family was like. I made a mistake. I regret divorcing the twiggs. At this point in kimberlys life it was she, her father, and darlena and they were viewed as a tight knit unit. What about darlena . Do you feel close to her . Yes, very. Shes like well, she is a mother to me. She treats me like a best, best friend and she treats me like a daughter. And i love her very much. And i dont know what id do without her. Darlena and i didnt get along too well. There were moments where we got along at times, but for the most part she was we always butted heads. Well, i love darlena very much. And even though we have our rough spots, i still love her very much. At the moment that i said that, its, like, survival mode. Had i said, no, shes not that great of a mom. We dont get along, then the courts are gonna be like, hmm, why is that . Why is that . Whats going on . In a high profile custody case, the kids did your dad have a temper . Did he oh, no, never abusive. He had a very short fuse. I would bring home an f and hed whip me with the belt. Or hed take an Encyclopedia Britannica and hed whip me with a thick book. Kimberly did say that you had whipped her once with a belt. Do you remember doing that . I remember an instance, i think when my hand was injured, and i used belt rather than to whip my hand. If it was, it was one time, one occasion that i would have done that, and it was not it was a spanking. I dont even look at it as a whipping. Mrs. Twigg said that my father beat me, that he called me names, and none of thats true. He never beat me. He never called him names. He says, oh, hi, pumpkin pie. He called me, pumpkin pie, kimbo, kimberlina. And stuff like that, but but not stupid or or idiot or dumb. He never called me that. So my father would call me stupid, he would call me an idiot, he would call me dumb. It made me feel low. That was my father figure. I looked up to him. As a child, looking through my eyes, i thought that was normal. He could have treated me different and loved me an litt different. I think we all expected that kimberly would go back to her life the way it was before, but then in a surprise move, just a few months later, she moved in with the twiggs. After spending several days in a shelter for troubled teens, kimberly has moved in with her biological parents. I stayed there a year and a half to two years almost. I think regina tried hard for there to be some kind of a connection with kim. But i think kim resisted that. I was never close with regina. I felt that she was smothering and overbearing. I dont really feel like ive had a mother growing up. Thats where the confusion comes from. But i do know she has a good heart. Its shes been through a lot. I really wasnt prepared for, like, life. I was 17 when i left. It was two weeks before my 18th birthday. I had a kid, and i married. I was young, i didnt know how to mother. Kimberly lost custody. Divorced. Went on to have five more children. It was reported in the tabloids that she was stripping to support her growing family bob mays died in 2012. He was 65. And shes estranged from the entire family. She doesnt talk to anyone. Kimberly has had a lot of challenges in her life. Shes been through one trauma after another and you just cant help but think, who would she have been if she had not gotten switched . I wish i had my life back. I dont have anyone. Its the past, and its made me who i am today. But how did i get switched and why . Why was i switched . I wanted to know what happened. I will go to my grave convinced it was not an accident. I asked her point blank, did you switch those babies . I turned my iphone 6s into the trulnew iphone 11. Me. Its true, switch and trade in an iphone 6s or newer in any condition and get the powerful new iphone 11 for just 0 a month. Magic only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. They release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. Tylenol®. 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Holiday gifts everyones sure to love at 20 to 60 percent off Department Store prices. At ross. Yes for less. Kimberly mays, a 14yearold girl who was mysteriously switched at birth with another infant. An apparent Maternity Ward baby mixup in florida. By accident, someone at hardee Memorial Hospital in wauchula, florida, switched their healthy infant for a sick one. It was characterized as, this could have been an accident. The twiggs Attorney Says we didnt have any idea. I will go to my grave convinced it was not an accident. You have two babies. You have a wrist bracelet and an ankle bracelet on each child. The bands are supposed to be put on tight enough so they wont slip off. And i mean the odds of both bands coming off at the same time and somehow being put on the other child by a mistake is incredulous. No, this was not something that happened by chance. It was not something that happened by accident. This had to have been intentional. Otherwise it would not have happened. The switch almost certainly happened the morning of december 4th. According to hospital records the nurse who shows up for the overnight shift on december 3rd is actually told to go home, and then the nurse who replaces her happens to be a friend of barbara mays mother. The hospital records show that regina got her baby at 5 00 a. M. And the baby nursed normally. But then at 7 30 in the morning the nurse weighed both babies. And based on the medical records it shows that the twigg baby had lost five and a half ounces overnight, a lot of weight for a small baby. All of a sudden, the twigg child had the weight of the mays child, and vice versa. So now regina is nursing the baby at 9 00 a. M. , and she notices that the baby is not nursing as well and looks different. The baby doesnt seem able to nurse, and the medical records show that. So we can conclude between 5 00 a. M. And 7 30 a. M. Somebody swapped those babies. When the babies weights were reversed, the babies were switched. The question was always, who did order this . Who oversaw it . And who actually accomplished the switch . The nest next day is december 5th, and both the mays and twiggs were due to be discharged. So on december 5th, the day she was scheduled to go home, a new doctor examines reginas baby and discovers her baby has a heart murmur. So the new Doctor Orders three tests. One of those three tests was a blood gas test, which would have typed the blood and made it perfectly clear that this baby was not reginas baby. But then another doctor, dr. Palmer canceled one of those tests. Dr. Palmer canceled the one test that wouldve revealed this was not their biological baby. I became chief of staff at hardee Memorial Hospital, ivenhe staof in 1989. Drpalmerat time, he was the chief of this hospital for many, many years. He has a fiercely loyal group of followers. I think that he could do this and be able to make the whole thing work. Dr. Palmer was intimately involved with some of the family down there. Its a very closeknit community. That was definitely a rumor that somehow doctors in town or the doctor would have wanted a favor and connected to somebody who want add favor for barbara ihi felt sorry for barbara and robert mays because they had wanted a baby for ten years. She finally gets pregnant, she has this baby. I think they just felt so sorry for the family. They all knew that this child wasnt expected to live. But they had no way to fix it. Along comes regina twigg. She doesnt live in the community. Nobody has any special feeling for her. And she gives birth to a beautiful, healthy, normal baby girl. And the family had a lot of kids, and this was just another to the litter, and so there was that element of year heres a family that has plenty and heres a family struggling to have just one, and maybe we could help them. They gave regina this child because they never expected it to live. And she had already lost one to the same sort of thing, and nobody would ever know the difference. The question is, why wouldnt barbara have noticed that they brought her the wrong baby too . She nursed or fed the baby every four hours for four days. Itd be more plausible that a day later, but five days later, you dont know what your child looks like . Suddenly, your blue babys healthy . So your contention is that barbara mays knew these babies were switched. Yes, maam. There was a call, a phone call to my house one day. When we started talking about switching and going back to some of the conversations that we shared, then we started putting two and two together. The fact that this woman had called and wanted to meet with her gave me some indication that she knew that her baby had been switched. And then realizing that this car was barbara mays. A dying woman suddenly wanting to have a play date with a woman that she doesnt know and hasnt heard a word about in two years . If nothing else told us that she knew, that would be proof enough. She wanted to see her biological child before she died. And in her own way she wanted to say goodbye. It may have stayed a mystery forever but then a nurses aide comes forward and says she knows for sure how the babies got swapped. My mother was patsy webb. When this story came about i was a young attorney at the time. I still am young, but i was younger at the time. I had a billing on main street. Thats how i met patsy. She was in a wheelchair. Hooked up to oxygen. She needed her daughter to get around. She told her story. Patsy told me that somebody had approached her about swapping the babies and she said no, im not going to do that. But if its done, i wont say anything about it. And its my honest belief that this is the first time that her daughter had heard that, because when patsy told me the story, her daughter just it was, how can you do this, mom . Who s this what she said who made you god . How could you be a part of this . Well, when karl pansler first talked to me, he said that he had this client, and that she had a big story to tell. I had just become a correspondent at cbs news in new york. I remember editing the piece and like, rushing to get it on the evening news that night. She was literally on her deathbed, as you can see, pretty much, in the video. She was gasping for breath. Dr. Palmer asked me to switch the bands on the baby and mother. Her doctors had told her she had very little time to live. And she wanted to make sure that, before she met god, she had settled things here on earth so that she could go with a clear conscience. She said they swapped the identity bands. Thats how actually the whole thing happened. They swapped the bands themselves. I asked her point blank, patsy, did you switch those babies . And she said, no. She was concerned that if she did not go along with their plan, that she would be terminated and she would lose her Health Insurance. Because she needed the Health Insurance for a family member. Yeah, she felt guilty. You know, it bothered her every minute of the day. She had this planned out, to tell the truth. After the story broke, the hospital wanted to push back. And they said, well, patsy wasnt the best employee. Shes a little bit, you know, out there, little bit eccentric. Little bit this or that. My mother knew exactly what happened. There was no confusion. My judgment of her as a journalist was that she was telling the truth. It was something she really just wanted to clear from her conscience before she died. She never asked for money. She wasnt seeking any type of notoriety. Didnt want it. Really did not want it. But she wanted to just tell her story quietly and go off, move on into the sunset. I think patsy webbs story probably didnt get more traction in the news because she didnt do other interviews. So there was patsy webbs story, as incredible as it was, that kind of hung out there for a day or two, and then floated away. There are questions that pull at your heart, such as who would kimberly have been if she were never switched . You can barely take care if yof a plant. Me, so, youre probably not ready to get pregnant now. You can prevent pregnancy for up to five years with mirena® or kyleena, lowmaintenance iuds. Your doctor can place an iud in just a few minutes, and remove it at any time. Filling prescriptions could take longer. An iud is more reliable than this. And requires less attention than a toddler. Dont use mirena or kyleena if you have a pelvic infection, get infections easily, or have certain cancers. Less than 1 of users get a serious infection called pid. If you have pelvic or stomach pain, or if your iud comes out, talk to your doctor. Your iud may attach to or go through the uterus. 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While im not perfect at all, and i regret a lot of stuff, i cant dwell in the past. I have to move forward. I would say to kim that i hope life will be positive for her and good for her. I will always love her. In spite of the pain of what happened in the past, like it is said, you put one foot ahead of the other and just carry on. My mother has that strength in her thats no like other woman that ive ever, ever met. When i was a little girl, i remember mom writing songs. She was always singing. Its been a really big passion. Tonight, shes going to be performing one of her songs that she wrote. Its called precious child. Its in memory of my two precious little ones that i lost. From the pain come on eases theres in relief she wants the world to understand her more through her music, and i hope she gets that. That would mean a lot to her. Precious child i loved you all along. There has been so much pain in this. We should point out that kimberly and her biolaj cal mother have not had contact if more than 15 years but both say they are open the reconciliation sometime in the future. Thats our program for tonight. From all of us here at twenty 20 20 and abc news, thanks for watching. Good night