What can we expect on a trial in the senate . Our experts weigh in and Amy Klobuchar joins us live. Plus, bloomberg launches hes taking on him. Im Mike Bloomberg and i approve this message. With the biggest ad buyin. Chris christie and donna brazil join our round table. Well break down the politics, smoke out the spin. The facts that matter this week. Announcer heres chief anchor george stephanopoulos. Good morning and welcome to this week. After two weeks, 12 witnesses more than 30 hours of testimony, the public hearings into the impeachment of President Trump appear to be over. What did we learn . The evidence established a series of facts. Did President Trump launch a campaign with ukraine into joe biden . And that trumps Key National Security players knew about it. Ambassador Gordon Sondland put it starkly. Everyone was in the loop. That included secretary pompeo, right . Many people. Secretary pompeo . Yes. Acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney . Yes. Shadow diplomacy outside normal channels. He was being involved in a domestic political errand. So much still in the shadows. Central figures refusing to testify. Secretary of state mike pompeo, former National Security adviser john bolton, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and trumps personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. You understood that mr. Giuliani spoke for the president , correct . Thats correct. As the hearings came to a close, the partisan divide wide as ever. Republicans firm in defense of trump. Ive not heard evidence proving the president committed bribery or extortion. Democrats emphatic. The president deserves impeachment. In my view theres nothing more dangerous than an ethical president who believes hes above the law. In the words of my great colleague, we are better than that. Adjourned. Lets dig into where things stand with our panel of impeachment experts. Melissa murray professor of constitutional law, chief legal analyst dan abrams, Barbara Comstock and kate shaw who served as Legal Counsel in the Obama White House now a profess have of constitutional law. Welcome to all of you. Dan, let me begin with you. Did the democrats make their case . Did they prove an Impeachable Offense . It depends what their case is. Did they show there was a quid pro quo, that aid was withheld in exchange for an investigation . Yeah. Theyve got those facts on the table. Its hard to dispute that. Thats only the first question. Question two is was it wrong . I think they did a good job of demonstrating it was wrong. Most americans believe that. Question three is the most important. Anything is impeachable. The question is is this enough to remove him from office . Thats yet to be seen. One of the important questions moving forward when the democrats think about articles of impeachment is how broad do they go . Up to this point we talked about they want to go narrow, stay focussed, et cetera. Now you have to wonder if theyll go a little broader when they write up these articles of impeachment. Will they include some of the information about mueller and obstruction . As a legal matter, you would say of course. Why not include additional charges if you believe theyre valid . As a political matter they have to decide if it helps or hurts. So much of it is politics. Barbara, did they make the case . It depends on what the case is. On obstruction they had a lot of witnesses who pointed out, like sondland, they didnt have access to the documents. Theyve been repeating that over. The bribery, given thats an ffl pridngguntf youve bn ying to h its like the clinton impeachment where a lot of people will say its wrong, but will herd said it was inappropriate, the conversation, but i dont think it was impeachable. Thats where some most of the republicans are saying, no, its not wrong. Nothing wrong with the call. The president is driving that line. I think youll see other republicans take the line that will herd did, the clinton line of its wrong but lets not impeach. One of the arguments you hear from some democrats even if the outcome is ordained in the senate, you have to go forward with an impeachment as a deterrent to prevent this kind of action from future president s. Its a strong argument for the democrats. The idea we cant have a chief executive who believes that he or she is above the law and a Strong Congress thats willing to deploy impeachment to deter that. Barbara is right. Its not just a legal proceeding. Its a political proceeding. Whether youre a democrat, republican or convincible. In the house those lines hardened over the two weeks. Thats right. I think that one defense you could imagine is the one barbara described. This was wrong. This should not be done. Maybe it warrants Something Like censure. It doesnt justify the first removal of an american president in our history. Its not quite serious enough. But youve seen the opposite. The president insisting he did nothing wrong and his party coalescing around it. A little bit inconsistent with public opinion. Most people think this is wrong. Wrong is not the constitutional standard. High crimes and misdemeanors, bribery, theyve been understood as something thats a threat to political order. Its intolerable to keep a president in office who engages in conduct like this. In some ways thats why i think the democrats made a or the witnesses made a case the investigations that the president wanted were political. The president was willing to use the white house meeting and military aid as leverage. Theres some open question as to the military aid, how and when and through what channels the directive to hold the aid was issued and the lifting of the hold. Thats important. Thats where you get into the double bind. The person who can answer the questions of how the military aid was withheld, Mick Mulvaney, the white house chief of staff who said it was withheld in part because of these investigation. Lets thats whats going to be interesting about the senate trial. In the senate is it possible these people are forced to testify. I dont think so. I dont see how they go about doing that. You can count on the fact that the democrats are going to try if there are going to be witnesses. In the clinton trial there were no live witnesses who testified. It was arguments. Thats the question here as you talk about a senate trial. Will there be witnesses will you have Rudy Giuliani the president s attorney . I cant imagine hell be arguing the case. He was on tv. Hes on tv right now. You say you cant imagine. Some constitutional scholars have raised ways it might happen. One argument made is that the house could try to compel by setting a deadline for impeachment. They could go to the courts. Because they have a deadline, coming into an election year, the courts could expedite any proceeding. Its happened in 2000 during the recount with george bush. Its a standard feature in election law. Theres a great piece by nick foley. Thats one way. Weve seen the court fast track when its had to. The political optics of this are really important. The idea that were fast tracking, its a witch hunt, its all in the bag, democrats want to stay as far away from that lien line of inquiry as possible. One of the strongest articles of impeachment is obstruction. If they get the witnesses, thats going to undermine that article of impeachment. Not getting those firsthand witnesses is a problem and youre not taking the case seriously enough and you are making it political. That is precisely the dilemma. The democrats are saying its proof of obstruction the witnesses arent coming forward. Why not take the time to see if they would come forward . There are echos of strategic calls made by robert mueller. He decided not to force the president to sit for an inperson interview. Ai iwould t and work with the material we have. In some ways the democrats seem to likely be moving in that direction. We have the universe of testimony and were not going to try to force more. If theres Material Information that some of these witnesses still hold, theres a real question whether they should exhaust all legal avenues to try to access it. Melissa is right. Courts can move quickly if the democrats are focussed on what they need. Theres a chance they could get a ruling. I dont think that removes any obstruction article. There are other articles of the obstruction case including witness intimidation. I think theres an argument they should try to run the process through quicker. Something is happening tomorrow, dan, that could play into obstruction. The court is expected to rule on whether don mcgahn, President Trumps former counsel who played a role in the mueller report, whether he should be compelled to testify. You could see him called as an impeachment witness by the house judiciary committee. Potentially. Thats a court ruling. The question is where do you go from here. You would have other witnesses saying ill wait to see the resolution. Theres always a way to delay these until it gets to the Supreme Court. You can keep pushing it off waiting for a final ruling. Lets take a step back. One thing we talked about when we were talking about broadly about impeachment and what if founders thought. Think about the standards. Its high and low. Misdemeanors and high crimes. Theres bribery and treason. There was a reason they put that in there. They wanted it to be vague. They wanted to talk about wrong doing generally. When we talk about bribery, it doesnt necessarily have to adhere to the statute. The statute didnt exist when bribery was put into the constitution. Its going to be interesting as the articles move forward and the word bribery is there, are they talking about the bribery as the founders thought about it which is just kind of payoffs and improper activity, not if federal statute. They were particularly worried about improper activity with foreign nations. Yes. This is completely on point in this case. It was definitely the case they were worried about foreign intervention in the domestic operations of the United States. Its clearly implicated here. Its also in the emoluments case. That seems like 500 million years ago. Dan is right, they didnt anticipate 18usc201. They dont have the opportunity to take that off the table trying to understand what bribery means in terms of impeachment. They have to look at the modern model to understand what were working with today. Impeachment was meant to be a broad consensus and bipartisan. In a 50 50 country youll get a 50 50 divide. The house will vote impeachment and the senate most likely will acquit and the public will decide in november. There is a new player thats involved and thats chief justice john roberts. Theres some question about whether he would have the power to compel new witnesses. If it goes to trial, right, chief Justice Roberts will preside over the trial. Its a role he can define as he sees fit. He may take the position that William Rehnquist took its a largely ceremonial role and he wont do lot that affects the course of the senate trial, ordering witnesses to appear, things of that nature. I think its likely hell urge the senate to work out those determinations internally. Maybe with guidance from roberts, but not him making the decision. That could lead to an interesting situation. Lets say the democrats say we want to hear from Mick Mulvaney or mike pompeo. Roberts gives it over to the senate. Its not certain you would have a majority against seeing Mick Mulvaney come forward. You have a few senators on the fence that could vote for that. It could. It would be viewed as heresy within the party. Maybe theyll be able to peel off a view. I think were looking at it the right way. I think kate is right. The idea that chief Justice Roberts is going to be a hero for the left and hes going to force witnesses to testify and the senate will have to overturn him, thats a pipe dream. Its going to be based on senate votes. The best they can hope for is peeling off a few of the moderates. I dont see it happening because i think theyll want to stay out of being the focus. Thats the question. Theres so many different moving parts to this. The Supreme Court considering two tax cases about President Trumps tax returns, both the one from the d. A. Here in new york and Congress Also seeking them. Theres been some suggestion that if the Supreme Court took these cases then he would be asked to recuse himself from a senate trial. You guys are shaking your heads. Its in the constitution. They cant do that. The court has been at great pains to stay out of the political fray. They had the opportunity to take controversial cases. They punted on those. Now theyre before the court in this year os docket. Its going to be an explosive year for the court. Chief Justice Roberts has taken great pains to keep the court of the political fray. Chief justice William Rehnquist was quoted as saying regarding his role in the clinton impeachment trial, i did nothing in particular and i did nothing wrong. If the Supreme Court takes this, theyll be deciding it right in the middle of the president ial campaign. Probably in june. Does that put a thumb on it for the court saying well stay out of this . It may. It may mean if they take the cases, they expedite them so theyre decided in february or march rather than june. On recusal theres been speculation that if he takes the trial he may have to recuse from the cases. Potentially. In the clinton impeachment you had executive privilege cases that were going up. Theres precedent. Its not constitution he presides. He presides. No question. No question hell preside. Barbara you have experience with the clinton impeachment. The fundamental lesson is strategy. As you look at the republicans in the senate, is the strategy edges towards the president s strategy which nothing was done wrong or perhaps it was inappropriate, but not impeachable. I think it may be the latter for quite a few of the senators. The president is talking about wanting witnesses on the floor like hunter biden. He also wants adam schiff. He will witness. Mitch a tight reign on this. He wants a short trial. He doesnt want a circus. The white house would like to have a senate trial like the th. I think the reason you had Lindsey Graham come out and say hes going to do the investigation of hunter biden and those matters is so they dont have to deal with those issues on the senate floor. Before we go, do any of you think its possible that the house doesnt follow through and vote on impeachment . I think its possible. For the first time this morning im like would they consider a censure. Thats more for the senate. Some sort of statement. Its hard to think of how they could not i dont think you unring this bell. This bell is gonna get rung. Thank you very much. Fascinating discussion. When we come back one of the likely jurors for President Trump democratic president ial candidate Amy Klobuchar. Up next nate silver looks at whether a moderate like klobuchar is the best bet for democrats. And ultrafast speeds. Almost 2 gigs here in minneapolis. Thats 25 times faster than todays network in new york city. 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Hopefully well work our way through and finish it and not too lengthy a process. There is senator Mitch Mcconnell on a possible senate trial for the impeachment of President Trump. Were joined by one of those senators he was talking about running for democratic president. Amy klobuchar joins us this morning. Thanks, george. That sounded like a little bit of a threat there. Im sure they want to sit in their chairs and be quiet . Does that make you think the republicans will move towards the idea of a long trial for political reasons . I dont know. The latest word is they wanted a shorter one. Whats important to the nation is that we hear the evidence and its a fair trial. I will say when you were talking earlier with the panel, im struck by the fact you go back to the basics which is the founding fathers, james madison, at that Constitutional Convention who said the impeachment articles should be included in the constitution because he feared that an american president could betray the trust of the American People to a foreign power. Thats what it is about. Thats what you heard in the moving testimony of the career diplomats, these career military people who served under republican and democratic president s who are making it clear they thought this was fundamentally wrong. That was the witness testimony this week. Have you seen enough evidence to date for this to go to trial . Yes. I made this very clear that i think this is an Impeachable Offense. All of the senators including our republican colleagues will have to make this decision. One of the really good points made earlier was the point you cant close your eyes to this. You think back to watergate they didnt close their eyes when a paranoid president who was up for election and looking for dirt on a political opponent got involved in having people break into an office and steal information on their opponents from a filing cabinet. This is a Global Version of watergate where a president is trying to get dirt on a political opponent from a world leader. Thats basically what happened here. Thats the case well be making. One of the questions Going Forward is what witnesses youll hear from. Your republican colleague on the Senate Judiciary committee, Lindsey Graham, has made it a point he wants to hear from the whistleblower. I will not allow a trial in the senate to go forward unless the whistleblower goes forward. Even though theyre offering hearsay, theyre the one that started this. I want to know if there was any relationship between the whistleblower, the cia and biden or anyone else to make him come forward. Do you think they should force the whistleblower to come forward . No. I think Senate Grassley has been clear on this. The provision in the law is for the whistleblower to come forward with information and you dont want to mess with that. The whistleblower had limited secondhand information. Now in front of the nation people testified under oath who had firsthand information about the fact that the president made the call and very specifically tied it with dirt on a political opponent. I think that would be a serious mistake. As for other witnesses, that will be determined after we see what is brought over from the house. I think the bigger issue is the American People see this right now. Theyre listening to it. Im sure theyll be talking about it at thanksgiving. They want a check on this president. They want an economic check. People are dealing with pharmaceutical prices out of control, college prices. They also want a patriotism check and a value check. Look at the voters in kentucky and virginia. They said enough is enough. They switched the house and senate, state house in virginia and elected a new governor in kentucky. As democrats, as we go into the president ial race, george, we better not screw this up. We right now have with us a fired up base, but also independents and moderate republicans. Any danger Going Forward this could help trump . Theres some National Poling showing support for impeachment has ticked down. Theres conflicting evidence among National Polls that the Republican Base is hardening. Might be getting some independents on the question of impeachment. Are you concerned you go forward, theres impeachment and theres a senate trial, hes acquitted and it helps the president . No. You had those elections taking place in the shadow of the impeachment hearings. We have a constitutional duty. Thats why those young new house members came forward with their military background and said enough is enough. We cant have a president using his position to advance his interest. The third reason, this is part of a pattern. Put the impeachment aside. This is a president who is constantly, george, putting his political interests, his partisan interests, his private interests in front of the country. He went down to maralago and after he signed his tax bill said to his friends i just made you a lot richer. Theres a much bigger argument and the American People understand this. You had a couple strong debate performances. We heard nate silver say theres an opening for a candidate like you. I remember what dan nagle says about the iowa caucus. Organize, organize and get hot late. If youre sitting as a juror in a senate trial for six days a week, is it possible for you to do what you need to do in iowa . Yes. Again, i have a constitutional duty. That has to come first. Were moving up in iowa. Were doubling our offices. Were adding staff, the same in New Hampshire, South Carolina and nevada. People are starting to get to know me. Theyre starting to understand what i said from the beginning. Im not running for chair of the Democratic National committee. Im running for president of the United States. Im someone that always looks people in the eye. Im blunt. I tell them the truth. I think thats what we need. We need someone who has bold ideas. One of the things weve learned in the debates theres no monopoly on bold ideas. My argument from the beginning that we dont want to kick 149 million americans off their health care and their current insurance in four years and most people agree with me. We dont want to give free college to rich kids. Most people agree with me. That being said, i think we can bring premiums way down. We can take on pharmaceutical prices. Thats the case im making. Thats why were moving up right now. Theres one other american in the United States that agrees with you and hes entering the race it looks like today. Michael bloomberg. In the ad were going to show he talks about not taking away Peoples Health insurance as well. What do you make of this candidacy . We learned he spent 38 million in the first week, probably a lot more than that. We welcome everyone to the race. People keep coming and going. I keep steadily going up. I dont have that money. That is true. I am the granddaughter of a miner who worked 1,500 feet, the daughter of a Union Teacher and a newspaper man. I have actually got things done in the gridlock in washington, d. C. Heres my difference with the mayor. I have won major rural districts, major suburban districts time and time again. Thats going to matter to our votes. Thats the case i will make. I also go out there. I had four town haul meetings in New Hampshire the last two days. I dont think people are going to buy it, that you put a bunch of money. Maybe the argument is ive got more money than the guy in the white house. I dont think theyll buy that. I think they want someone different. Theyre not necessarily looking for the loudest voice in the room. Theyve got that in the white house. Theyre not necessarily looking for the richest person. They got a guy who is constantly talking about how much money he has. Theyre looking for someone different. Senator klobuchar, thanks for your time. Thank you. Great to be on, george. Round table up next. Well be right back. Well be right back. Danafarber Cancer Institute discovered the pdl1 pathway. Pdl1. They changed how the world fights cancer. Blocking the pdl1 protein, lets the immune system attack, attack, attack cancer. Pdl1 transformed, revolutionized, immunotherapy. Pdl1 saved my life. Saved my life. Saved my life. What we do here at danafaber, changes lives everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. He could have been the middle class kid who became good. Mike bloomberg became the guy who did good. After creating a business that grew thousands of jobs, he took charge of a city still reeling from 9 11. 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You better not jump in. Its bad enough we need a wide screen tv to see all the candidates. This is a race for delegates. How do you get delegates . How do you get on the ballot . He has to get on the ballot in virginia. This is not writing a check. He can write a lot of checks. A lot of check. Can he find 5,000 people . Yes, hell be able to pay canvassers to get them. He needs to get on the ballot. Then he has to commit democrats in order to get 1,885 delegates to secure the nomination. Its an uphill battle. I think this shows that Many Democrats are concerned about this field. The very fact that at this stage of the game hes entertaining the idea of running tells something about the field. As wide and big as it is, the fear among elite democrats and donors that donald trump is going to be reelected is so great you had an important word. Elite democrats. Most democrats are satisfied with the field. Heidi, one of the things driving this is hes worried Elizabeth Warren will lose to donald trump. Most voters are banking electability is the most important thing. He believes he has that. Second, this is a brand new experiment. Hes going to create a National Primary with all this money. One of the things hes banking on is if he gets in now he could lead a brokered convention. We shouldnt discount the possibility that we may not know our nominee for a long time. Nobody seems to be breaking out. Its interesting he thinks hes going to get the hearts and minds in an antielite, antibillionaire democratic primary. Look at the power of Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax. I dont agree with it, but its a powerful message for her. The fact that none of these people are taking contributions from wealthy packs and corporate business interests, yet he thinks theres space for that. Thats problematic. He made a point of saying taxes on the wealthy are going to go up. Yeah, great. Two things. Hes a man without an island. Hes not a democrat or a republican. You dont win a democratic or republican primary by not being of either party. He has no path philosophically to get there. I cant wait for him to get out behind the commercials and answer questions about his attitude towards the me too movement. Thats not going to be very popular in any as pebt of the democratic elect rate. Secondly for him is he cant for the life of me i cant figure out how he turns this into a brokered convention. If i had a dime for every time somebody was going to be the beneficiary of a broker convention, i wouldnt have to work. It doesnt happen anymore. Its not the time of abraham lincoln. It does go back to the rules. Anyone who gets more than 15 is likely to earn a delegate. Part of the issue is democrats have created i agree with the governor. Its a very narrow path. Rr p thated thibecae of this mega super tuesday they have where nearly half of their delegates will be decided. California, texas, massachusetts, virginia, north carolina. Very large states on the same day. In a scenario where he has a bank shot. In a scenario where three different candidates win these states before super tuesday, theres chaos in the party and he looks like the person the real bank shot is he bets joe biden doesnt perform and mayor pete doesnt do well enough so he owns the moderate lane against Elizabeth Warren or bernie sanders. I want to respond to sarah. Sarah, we have to respect what the states decide in terms of their dates. The republicans and democrats hold their primaries and caucuses on the same day. Thats number one. Number two, its a race for delegates. How do you accrue delegates when you know the road to the white house goes through major american cities. Cities that know about Mike Bloombergs policy on stop and frisk. He gave somewhat of an apology he gave an apology. Come on. I was reporting he gave an apology. Come on. He did. Nobody believes that. Mike bloomberg is proud of that record. Now hes doing what people dont want in todays politics which is being in authentic. Goodness forbid i would defend Mike Bloomberg. But if you look at what got trump where trump is was that message im a selfmade man. I know how to get things done. Im a businessman. Elect me because ill run the country like a business. Hes got a great contrast with a president who is all phony. He did the real thing. He built up this empire. Theres a lot of attractiveness about his person story that is getting lost in this discussion. Sarah, one of the other things happening, one of the ways the mayor is undercutting candidates is hes undercutting trump with Television Ads. I think Television Ads arent that significant. This is digital too. All activity is net positive. It accrues to the person spending typically. If theyre done smart and Mike Bloomberg has smart people working for him. You have a scenario where warren the exciting the base and bernie is exciting the base. Those voters will decide in the end if beating donald trump is more important, theyll elect a biden. Theyll elect a buttigieg. Theres a small chance theyll elect a mayor bloomberg. Tlo theres a warning sign this weekend for democrats. This Marquette University poll shows President Trump in that key state of wisconsin beating every single major democrat. Marquette is the real deal. They better start paying attention. It goes back to how broad is your message. How much are you reaching out . One of the problems we have is were now in impeachment land and theres very little discussion about whats going to change for people in the real world and impeachment itself is not a discussion about what does this mean for me. It seems more of washington dysfunction. More of what the the rancor that people absolutely hate. You heard what Senate Klobuchar said. It may be but the democrats have a duty and they have to go forward. The problem they have is they failed to make it about the people. They keep making it about donald trump. People know. Theyve made the judgment that this person is probably not a very moral person or competent person. Quit making it about trump. Start making it about people. George, the two major themes of the Democratic Campaign so far are impeachment and theyre going to go into every one of those Wisconsin Building trade households, which are a lot of swing voters, and theyre going to they were taking away your health care too. Those are the two major messages. Thats Elizabeth Warren. Those are the headlines. Name me the big biden initiative. Theres not a big biden initiative. Name me a big buttigieg initiative. There isnt one. The only Big Initiative is medicare for all. Here is what Donald Trumps going to do. Ce . Eyakitwa from you. Its deadly for them. Governor, with all due respect, if the Second Circuit comes out and invalidates obamacare, the Affordable Care act, then donald trump is going to have to explain how hes going to provide health care to millions of americans that will lose their coverage. Whats coming out of the democratic primary is concerning to Many Democrats because we dont have a unified party. Were debating big issues. The race is fluid and thats why people like Deval Patrick and Michael Bloomberg believe they can come in. This is going to be an interesting race, george, because the folks in iowa are going to decide. Thats going to get the ball rolling. The problem is can bloomberg keep momentum going when the press attention is going to be on the winner of iowa and New Hampshire and whatever else comes after. You raised the impeachment issue earlier which to me has be gra by democrats. Yeah, theres some mixed poling. At a minimum trump hasnt lost any ground during this trial. Theres a lot of evidence to suggest hes gained a few points. We saw it on that wisconsin poll. Its reflective where i agree people have priced in what theyve priced in about donald trump. None of this is new information. Democrats think he should be impeached. Republicans dont think it. Independents appear to think he should not be impeached. Moving it to the senate is going to be more favorable terrain toward the president. Inside the senate. Theres the possibility of wild cards, new information coming out. We saw yesterday, again, Rudy Giuliani coming back out and giving interviews. Have you talked to President Trump in the last week or two . Have you met with him . Are you his counsel . I dont discuss i do not discuss my conversations with my client. You can assume i talk to him early and often and have a very Good Relationship with him. All these comments which are totally insulting ive seen things written like hes going to throw me under the bus. E hes made that insurance reference. Later he said he was just being sarcastic. Even though a lot of attitudes are baked in, theres the possibility the longer it goes on more information comes out against the president. Two of Rudy Giulianis associates have been indicted. Theres always that possibility, george. I think sarah is right. This conduct laid out in the impeachment hearings is consistent with the brand donald trump has been selling for 35 years. He will leverage to get the deal he wants to get. Hes the deal maker. Hes strong enough, tough enough and mean enough people dont care if he break the rules. People priced that in. He didnt act differently during the campaign. I was there. He was doing the same stuff then. People said we want that. Were voting for that. Thats the problem. Impeachment is a constitutional process. I understand the politics of it. Its a constitutional process. If the president can get away with violating not just breaking the law and using american tax payers money then were in new territory. Its not just a constitutional process. Its a political process. The framers made it a political process. Not a legal process. Thats all true. Sarah, you and heidi were saying hes in more favorable terrain. How does this play out over time, the brand of impeachment with an acquittal, what does this mean to those swing voters on the fence in places like wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania . I think in the world we live in its going to be old news by the time the general election gets around unless theres bombshell testimony in the senator or something new comes out. I dont think thats going to happen. Were going to have Supreme Court cases that are going to be contentious decided next year. Youre going to have a democratic nominee even if theyre not for medicare for all, they own it. Thats going to be a major focus of this debate. I think impeachment is going to be in the most advertising against the president. Everybody knows it and everybody has moved on. I totally disagree with sarah that we own medicare for all. The major candidate biden is not saying medicare for all. Were having a debate about health care. The debate we ought to be having is what happens if you repeal the Affordable Care act. The president has refused to present any plan that could pass. Lets say you remove daca protections. That seems likely in the court. What happens when in middle of the election youre talking about health care, what are you going to do with the daca kids, what are you going to do with an economy hes torn apart with his trade policies . This president is in weaker positions on things that dont involve his personality, dont involve his corruption and those will be the issues that drive this. T izetwa back. After she saw the poling numbers and get what buttigieg. Those videos of her doing that are going to be everywhere. Only one for medicare for all is bernie sanders. Elizabeth warren saw the poling and she doesnt get a pass. You dont get a pass saying everybodys for it. Its not just medicare for all. Its free college education. Its a green new deal. Its trillions and trillions of Government Spending with no plan to pay for it. Ten seconds. Welcome to the republican party. Your criticism is fair but these are much bigger programs. On the deficit. Sarah i believe as an incumbent president , its going to be hard to take an incumbent out. Happy thanksgiving. Thanks for sharing your sunday with us. Incumbent president , its going to be hard to take an incumbent. Happy thanksgiving. What are you searching a version of myself who doesnt make decisions based on fear . No, what streaming apps are you searching for . Oh. Because you have xfinity flex. It puts your apps in one place, and it comes with your internet. Try it kung fu panda. Ah. You have kids . Nope. 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