Interview, what would you want to say to her . Ooh. Announcer tonight, the david muir exclusive. The twohour 20 20 event begins now. The whole time payton was screaming in agony. Are you going to put me in prison and im going to rot and die . Reporter this is one of those stories that strikes at the heart of every parent. Especially the parents who take that extra effort to be aware of what their kids are doing when they go to their friends homes. Did you feel bad that you just stabbed one of your best friends . I thought about it, but then i decided that remorse would get me nowhere. Its easier to live without regrets. Now to that shocking story out of wisconsin. The brutal stabbing of a 12 yearold girl. The girl told police she was with two other girls she knew. The victims friends left her to die. Prosecutors asked for a Million Dollar cash bail for two middle schoolers they said plotted for months before they attacked their best friend. Right from the beginning, the Media Coverage was overwhelming. The suspects lured the victim into the woods. All three of the girls are 12 years old. Reporter and as full details of this case start to circulate people that i talk to literally have no words. It was just sort of a hard story for everyone to get their head around. Three 12yearold girls had a sleepover. Happens all over the country all the time, but this one ended a little different. Reporter here you have this typical 12yearold girl, Payton Leutner. Shes from waukesha, wisconsin, she likes what so many young girls like. And had she gone on sleepovers before . Oh, yeah. This was just her best friends birthday. It was just another friday night. But this was, you know, a party that was going to celebrate, you know, her best friend. And they were talking about it for weeks. Payton was so, so excited. Reporter go back five years ago to 12yearold payton. How would you describe her . Hopeful, positive, an animal lover. I saw the good in people. Reporter payton has a best friend, her name is morgan. And one of the extraordinary things about payton is that she was drawn to morgan because morgan was a bit of a loner. I made friends with her when i saw that she didnt have any friends at all. Reporter morgan . I didnt want her to be alone. She was my only friend for a long time. So why would you hurt your only friend . It was necessary. Reporter there was a third girl, anissa. Whats your name . Anissa weier. Reporter she was new to the school that year. She became friends, mostly with morgan. So the three of them had begun to spend time together. It was a friday night. Yeah, we went to skateland. Ive always been pretty good at roller skating, so i was going around doing my own thing. We were at skateland having a good time. Did you guys talk about the plan at all . Nope. Reporter payton had no idea that the other two girls had been planning, had been plotting. And what was supposed to be sort of a typical, joyful Slumber Party was instead really a dark plan to try to lure payton in. What were you expecting these young girls to be doing . Well, payton brought her American Girl doll. I think back to when i was 12, i played barbies at sleepovers. So thats what i expected to be happening, playing with dolls and spending some time on the internet. They played up in morgans bedroom, ran up and down the stairs giggling and laughing and, i mean, it was just a normal night. I wanted to give her at least one more morning. The next morning then they wake up, they have breakfast, they played games, they then go to the park. Were going to do it today at the park. Thats what morgan said. Reporter whose idea was it to go to the park . Do you remember . It was morgans idea. She normally was not allowed to go by herself. Normally there had to be an adult. But since it was her birthday, her mom let her go with just the three of us. Then we said that we were going to play hide and seek. It happened really fast. I was thinking, dear god, this is really happening . How in the heck can these two innocentlooking 12yearold girls commit such a heinous act . What caused all this . I didnt want to do this. Why did you do it then . Because i was afraid of what would happen if i didnt. Reporter and you never had any idea that there was any sort of mmmm. No. My names dan klein. Im a Police Officer for the city of Waukesha Police department. Waukesha is a suburb of milwaukee and its the biggest suburb around. Theres about 70,000 residents. A lot of families. We have a lot of parks out there. Good schools. Saturday, may 31st, 2014. It was one of our first nice weather days we had on a saturday. Sunny, 72 degrees. Gorgeous day out. I thought, well, the earlier i get in, the earlier i get out and put in my eight. My first call of the day it was a pretty easy call. The family video store is one of our local ma and pa shops. They rent videos. One of the only ones left in the area that im aware of. On their marquee they had a phrase that was supposed to say hot hit sale and someone had rearranged the letters overnight to a very inappropriate message. I was kind of chuckling about it. I was just about to take a photo to send to my wife so she could get a little chuckle out of it. Just as i was trying to take my phone out, over my radio i heard that a 12yearold girl had been stabbed about a mile and a half away from this location. Im transferring over a caller on big bend. He came upon a 12yearold female. She appears to be stabbed. She appears to be what . Stabbed. Stabbed . Correct. Initially, my thoughts were this isnt really what this is. Im thinking, this girl probably scratched herself. She fell down off her bike. This girl did not get stabbed. Greg steinberg was on his bicycle. Only on this saturday he chose to take a different route. And thats when he found payton. I quick got out my cellphone. I was shaking. And dialed 911. And i just stayed with 911. Reporter she was right here in the grass. Exactly. Reporter but you had no idea how many times shed actually been stabbed . No. Okay, sir, are you with her right now . Yeah. Is she awake . Shes awake. Is there any bleeding gng on . Her clothing has got blood on it. I offered her water because i had a water bottle on my bike. The other thing she said was shes having trouble breathing. Reporter he knew this was a little girl in trouble and when she began to tell him what had happened to her he was in disbelief. Okay, hes coming. Who did that to you . The road she was located on was big bend road. At the dead end of that. Participaton wasnt moving a whole lot. As i approached her i said hi, im officer dan, are you okay . And she said no. I helps on the way. Stay right where you are. As i got closer i started to see a little bit more blood and the closer i got the more blood i saw. Reporter somehow shed been able to pull herself out of those woods. And in another moment of strength, she was able to communicate with him. I asked her, who did this . And she told me her friend morgan. I then asked her where did this happen . And she told me that it happened in the woods. Reporter she was the first one to reveal that it was morgan, her best friend, who was behind this. Morgan is 12. Morgan didnt do this is whats going through my head. Reporter now police decide theyve got to go to Morgan Geysers house to figure out how this happened. Not only were there police in my living room, but they were wearing riot gear. I thought, what in the heck would make somebody do this . Reporter was it hard for you to wrap your head around what had been done to you . Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. A heart in my honey nut cheerios. I like that. And it can help lower cholesterol. Well now, now im in love. 50 off sale this weekend . Plus take an extra 20 off . 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They asked how long was the knife and she said that the knife was about like this. And she was talking about the blade, not the handle. I was waiting in the e. R. And payton was brought in by stretcher. The look on her face is something that i will never forget. She looked like she was in an extreme amount of pain. So you bring her in here. Reporter one of the first people to see her is the e. R. Doctor. He told me that her Blood Pressure was dangerously low, her heart was working in overdrive. I mean, this is a 12year0old girl really struggling to survive. And when you looked at her it was immediately apparent shed been stabbed multiple times . Yeah. To her chest and abdomen and arm and leg. My first thought is i need to get some sort of information from her in case that she does die. I confirmed with her that morgan did the stabbing. I confirmed that she was in the woods at the time. And that there was another girl there at the time when this happened. Reporter when detective trussoni hears this, that shes been stabbed by her friends, she knows she has got to get to paytons mom stacie, and right away. Its never fun making a notification to anybody, because when they see us they know its not good. The first thing that goes through my mind is something has happened to somebody that i love. Because thats the only reason a uniformed officer and a detective comes to your house on a saturday morning. She was very calm, very collected. She knew that something was going on. I dont think she knew exactly to what extent it was. They said, is payton home . And i said, no. And they said, was she at a sleepover last night . And i said, yeah, she was. I explained to her that shes alive but she has been stabbed. I said, well, are is it are the wounds superficial . And they said, well, we really dont know. But call your husband, find somebody to take care of your son. She just went right up there, and she made it in time before payton went into surgery. I walked into the trauma room that she was in. And she was pale as a ghost. She was terrified. She was crying. She couldnt breathe. And all i hear is theres five on her arm. Theres seven on her leg. And im thinking, what . Seven . What . And one of the nurses says, all right, i count 19. And then the second nurse said, i count 19 as well. What . 19 . What theres no way. Reporter there were so many of them that they were carefully going over paytons body to make sure they hadnt missed one. Stacie says she will never forget. I said, youre going to be okay. Its going to be fine. But i could see that she was covered. Her arms and her legs and her abdomen, they were covered in stab wounds. Does it seem surreal even to this day . Yeah, it does. I mean, there are definitely like moments from that day just theyre burned into my mind. Ill never forget them. Describe the moment you first see her. Reporter the surgeon who was there that day when he was looking at the wounds and in particular the stab wound to the chest, he told me that had it been the width of a human hair deeper, that stab wound, that she wouldnt be here today. The knife stopped at the wall of the artery. And had it not . Had it not, she would have had a major heart attack from the amount of bleeding and probably died within a minute or two. Reporter and now police decide theyve got to go to Morgan Geysers house to figure out how this happened, what was behind this. They asked me wheres morgan . I said, shes at the park with her friends. Angie geyser told us that there was three girls, a third girl named anissa, and the three girls left early in the morning for the park and they hadnt heard from them since. They searched the house, and i just kept asking what happened, whats going on. And they wouldnt tell me, other than to say there had been an incident at the park and one of the girls was hurt. The thing that really struck me is the way that she portrayed her daughter to be. That she was totally normal. She was a good kid. And she thought that this was totally out of character for morgan to be involved in anything like this. After we found out that there was this third girl, anissa, that was there, we were able to get in contact with anissas dad. Bill, my exhusband, called me and told me to get to the condo as soon as possible, the police are there looking for anissa. We searched the house. We didnt find either of the girls there. Reporter where are these other two girls . They know those two girls were in the woods, but they cannot be found. Where is my daughter . Thats the only thought i had in my head. I looked at her cell phone, checked all of her Text Messages trying to figure out the people that she called and contacted last. Kristi weier said that she had found anissas cell phone and found a particularly disturbing message that was on there. I found basically her goodbye notes. I thought that they were in grave danger and that we may find these girls dead. What was the meaning of this . We need to find these two girls. So whats going on with you . Why do you think youre here today . Reporter it is a scene you rarely see two 12yearold girls in separate interrogation rooms. And when she began explaining, i just remember going this is the most unbelievable story ive ever heard. Schools are having acrto cut sports. Y, im tony the tiger and im on a mission to fix that. Bring back the tigers. Your mighty, mighty tigers. [cheering sounds] buy a box and help all kids be tigers. Aleve it. With aleve pm. Pain happens. The only one to combine a safe sleep aid. And the 12hour pain relieving strength of aleve. So. Magic mornings happen. Theres a better choice. Aleve pm. Man no. No. No. No, no, no. Ere th is. A freshly prepared breakfast is at your fingertips. 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These are the woods where the stabbing actually happened. A massive search for two girls who were with the victim before she got hurt. We have absolutely no idea whats happened to my younger sister. My daughter was supposed to be at a Slumber Party. And now shes missing. It was one of those kinds of stories where newsrooms go crazy and everybody starts trying to find an angle. You just wonder what puts a 12yearold girl in this state of mind. Morgan was a very happy child. She was intensely creative. She was always making up songs and stories. Anissa did enjoy choir. She did enjoy singing. Bring back oh bring back my bonnie to me anissa was very imaginative. She would always imagine a bigger and better life for her barbie dolls. Looking back, anissa was never really invited to a lot of birthday parties or anything. I dont think she really made friends that easy. Morgan did endure a lot of bullying, especially in the sixth grade, by the other students. In the last year she started to become moodier and a little bit more reclusive. She never talked about any of the sadness or any of the bad things. They knew what each other had gone through, and they were going to be there for each other. Initially, when we were first on scene, kristi weier, anissas mom, had called me and said that she had found anissas cell phone. I looked at her cell phone, checked all of her Text Messages and i found, basically, her goodbye notes. The message said, this is my final wish to those who care. Do not grieve my absence, but remember me for who i was. I love and cherish you and wouldnt do you harm. It then changed my thoughts from abduction to running away. It was about 2 53 in the afternoon. I had gotten a message that the Sheriffs Department had located the girls on the side of i94. They have found those two girls, im told, around 12 years old. They were sitting on the side of the freeway. By the time we found them, they had walked about five hours and made it to the north end of our city. And they were transported back to our Police Department. The detective told us that they were taking them to the Police Station to ask them some questions. I remember talking on the way how we were going to punish morgan for this. I mean, we just had no idea how serious it was. When they brought the girls back, payton was actually still in surgery and we did not know if she was going to make it at this point. So we didnt know if this was going to be a Homicide Investigation or what this was going to turn out to be. They were kind of dirty, covered in some stains. Their demeanor was very calm. They seemed kind of meek, if you will. Reporter it is a scene you rarely see. In fact, i dont know the last time i have seen two 12yearold girls in separate interrogation rooms about to describe in excruciating detail what it is that played out in the woods. I could tell that they were somewhat scared. At least anissa was showing me that emotion. Your parents know that youre here talking to me, okay . And are they scared . Theyre glad theyre so glad that youre safe. I did notice that she had a blood stain on the front of her shirt, and she was wearing two shirts. And i asked her, are you okay . Can you just stand up and, kind of stand there you go. Just, like right there. Okay. Lets just and its on the white shirt underneath that. And its on the shirt underneath it, too . Uhhuh. Okay. And what is your name . Anissa weier. Anissa, okay. Okay, just get there you go. All right. Morgan seemed like she was very calm. Very relaxed. I mean, shes at a Police Department and shes covered in blood. And this is like a normal day for her like. Morgan, were going to take some photographs of you right now. Okay. Do you mind just standing up, maybe . All right. Just stand up like that. Perfect. What was your name again . Morgan. Okay, morgan. Do you know what happened to bella . Morgan called payton by the name of bella. She said it was a nickname because there was another girl named payton. Is she dead . I dont know. She was taken to the hospital. What . I was just wondering. She was very nonchalant. It didnt seem like it really concerned her too much if she was dead or alive. The first thing i needed to do in order to talk to anissa, and find out what happened, i needed to read to her her miranda rights. You have the right to remain silent. If you try to give up that right, anything you say may be used against you in court. Apart from the law, it is jarring to see 12yearolds being interrogated without their parents present. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided to you by the court. Understanding these rights, are you willing to sit down and talk to me a little today . Here in the state of wisconsin a child can be interrogated without the presence of their parent or guardian being in the room. At that time i did not know that. We find that people are more truthful when they dont have their parents present. I need to you initial right there and sign right there. I thought that she really did understand what her rights were and made a knowledgeable decision to waive those rights. Ive never gone into an interview so blind as i have in this one. I thought that maybe this was all about a boy, this was a fight about a boy. I still dont know what happened. And i dont know who did what. And i need to know that today. Okay . We didnt know what these girls were going to tell us. What were you trying to do with her when you stabbed her . Kill her. I might as well just say it. We were trying tkill her. So why did you pick payton . I didnt pick her. Who picked her . Whoever anissa was talking about. She made it seem necessary. My thought was why would she do this . Theres this website full of, like, Horror Stories. And there was one of them called slender man. 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In that moment, i thought, all right, i am talking to a 12yearold. Did you guys talk about doing this beforehand . Anissa told me we had to. Why . Because she said that hed kill our families. Whos he . A man. I didnt know him. But anissa knew him. She began explaining right away about something from the internet. Theres this website called the Creepypasta Wiki. Its full of, like, Horror Stories that are meant to purposely scare you. And there was one of them called slender man. Reporter we all remember growing up, there was always the folklore, the spooky stories that would be shared among kids of a certain age. And in this case, this is the story of slender man. It all started online with two paragraphs and two photographs. One of them showed a bunch of smiling kids sort of happily playing on playground with the slender man in the background, and the other one was a sort of a more pensive picture. The story that went with it sort of explained that these were photos that were taken right before a bunch of children had gone missing and that was it. Whos slender man . Hes hes this tall, faceless man who preys on children. He can be anywhere from six feet to 14 feet tall. Hes a tall guy who constantly wears a suit. He doesnt have a face. His skin is white. Anissa actually was the first one who had found slender man in the Creepypasta Wikis, the stories that were out there about slender man. At his own will, he can, like, explode these tendrils from his back and, like, strangle his victims. And from what the Creepypasta Wiki said, he targets children most. Who tells you about him . Hes everywhere. How do you know . Because ive read so many things about him. It sort of going down the rabbit hole of the internet. The idea became very crowdsourced and everybody loved it. And they all started jumping in. So this is a little concept art i drew of slender man. People were making new images, new photos. The first slender video game came out. Hes never played it before so hes going to play it for the first time. [ screaming ] go, go, go, go people would write different kinds of stories. The stories looked real. Articles that looked like real news articles. Today were going to be looking for slender man. Every little thing looks like him and im starting to see him everywhere and im dreaming about him. Wait, wait. No, no, no. Im actually so scared right now. Reporter it brings it to life in a way that is almost hard to contain. Especially for children who are of an age where they might struggle between what is fantasy and what is reality. At this stage of life theyre really searching. A lot of this stuff that may scare them or that may draw them in, there is no discussion around, theres no Critical Thinking around, and so they can get carried away. Reporter do you think looking back that they couldnt differentiate between what was fictional and what was real . Yeah. I think that all of those fake pictures that were going around, i think very strongly that they believed all of it was real. I actually thought that he was real. cause i saw him. We were like talking on the bus. I look out the window and i see this supposed thing standing like this, with tendrils, looks exactly like a tree. There and gone like that. The facelessness of the character makes him infinitely interpretable. There were a lot of different variations out there, and the girls found a version that complemented the things that they wanted to believe. Anissa explained to me that to prove yourself worthy to slender you would have to kill somebody. Morgan said, we have to kill bella. Then they were going to walk to the nicolet forest to try to find slender man. Morgan found out that slender has this big mansion in the middle of Nicolet National park. What needed to make this happen, that for them to live in this mansion was to kill somebody. And that idea came from morgan. And my thought was, is she doing this for morgan . Reporter what was morgan like when you met her . She seemed a little lonely. Controlling sometimes, but i just went with it. Reporter at the time did you consider her your best friend . Yeah. She was my only friend for a long time. So why would you hurt your only friend . It was necessary. It wasnt until sixth grade that anissa came into the picture. Anissa was moving to a new school, so she didnt know anybody. Their interests were similar with regards to what they like to read. They were into Horror Stories. Supernatural. Were so close, were like sisters. They were lonely girls. They didnt have a lot of friends. Came across i think to other students the best word i can think of is weird. Reporter were you ever really friends with anissa . No, not really. She was always cruel to me. I feel like she was jealous that morgan was friends with me and her. As morgan learned more about slender man, it came to dominate her thoughts. And she got closer to anissa and a little more distant from payton. I didnt really understand what we were doing, but i really didnt want to make anissa mad. Its hard enough to make friends. I dont want to lose someone over Something Like this. Do you understand what it means to kill somebody . I mean, ive seen stories on the news, but i never fully understood what it meant to kill somebody till now. As shes explaining it to me, im digesting it and im thinking, where is this going to lead . Morgan handed me the knife. And then i started to count again. When i was five feet away i said, now. Go ballistic, go crazy. Thats a stone cold thought. Tide purclean, they dont put phosphates in. No dyes or chlorine its gentle on my skin. Tide purclean, it has nothing to hide. Its made with plants and has the cleaning strength of tide. 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We had no idea how difficult it was not to tell anyone. We would all be together. It was a flawless plan, actually. I think they wanted to kill payton because they felt payton was accessible in that way. You know, they didnt have a lot of friends. She was somebody that they would be able to get to be alone with. Did you ever talk about killing bella in the bus, at the Birthday Party . We did sometimes, but we made sure we whispered. Granted, the bus was really loud, but people are eavesdroppers. We used code words like for knife, we meant we used cracker. Okay. And for the killing we would use words like itch. There were actually three plans that were devised to kill payton. Morgan said that at her Birthday Party while bella was sleeping we were going to like duct tape her mouth shut, stab her in the neck and then leave. Morgan was going to put on a set of headphones connected to her ipad and set an alarm to wake her up in the middle of the night, like 2 00 in the morning. She would wake up anissa. But we didnt stab her in bed. We were too sleepy and tired to maybe we were at skateland. That was the original plan . Yeah, until it changed. So 5 30 in the morning comes and they wake up and they get up, Start Playing with silly putty and playing with their ipad and playing dressup. And while payton is putting on a Pink Princess dress, the two Start Talking and they start devising plan number two. Morgan said, hey, we could go to the park and kill her in one of the bathroom stalls. Was bella around at that time . I yeah. Bella we were playing dressup. And bella was putting on a costume in the bathroom. Its mindboggling, how do you one minute want to play like a normal 12yearold and then switch back to oh wait, were going to kill her . We asked morgans mom if we could go down to the park cause we were gonna do it then in the bathroom stall and, like, sit her on the toilet. There was a drain for blood to go down. And when does she take the knife . She took it before we left. Where did she get it from . Her kitchen. So who left the house with it . I think anissa did. It was in the bag. To me she was trying to deflect the blame from herself back onto anissa. How did you know that she grabbed one . cause she showed it to me as we were walking to the park. Morgan lifts up her jacket and shows anissa that shes got this knife in her waistband. What were you thinking . I was thinking, dear god, is this really happening . She told us we had to kill her. Who did . Anissa. There was a lot of deception in morgans interview. It seems like anissa is saying this is what happened but when you listen to morgan she always says, well, i think that anissa did it. I think this happened. I think anissa told me too. Anissa might as well. Im sort of foggy because ive been trying to block it out. They then walk to the park. They go into the bathroom at the park. Theyre in the bathroom stall and theyre kind of passing the knife back and forth. From what i read on the computer, its easier to kill people when theyre either asleep or unconscious, and its also easier if you do not look them in the eyes. Anissa tells me that she actually tries to knock payton out. I kinda went like that to her forehead and banged her head up against the concrete. And you were doing this to knock her out so you guys could kill her in there . Yeah. They lose their nerve. They dont kill her at that point. They then go outside. They leave the bathroom and they start to walk through the park. And thats when plan three is devised. I say, hey guys, why dont we go take a walk around the block . And thats when i pointed out to morgan the trees and bushes and all that and say, we can take her in there and do the deed. We led her there and tricked her. How did you trick her to get down there . We said that we were going to go bird watching. People who trust you become very gullible. And it was sort of sad. And once they got closer to the woods, they had suggested that they play a game of hide and seek. They walked deeper and deeper into the woods and then morgan said that she would go off and count, and that payton and anissa should go hide. She was gonna hide one place, i was gonna hide another. And then morgan and i were gonna be like lionesses chasing down a zebra. I was gonna tackle her and then morgan was gonna do the stabbing. Anissa passes the knife back to morgan and morgans like, all right, ill do it only if you tell me when to do it. So i started walking away, and then like when i was five feet away i said, now. Im, like, im meant go ballistic, go crazy, make sure shes down. I couldnt believe these words were coming out of a 12yearolds mouth. Its awful. What did you do next . I already told you. What was that . Stab, stab, stab, stab, stab. In all my years of law enforcement, never heard anything like this. Its almost as if they are writing their own story. Theyre living their own creepypasta story. Youd look at that video and say, see . Shes bloodless. Shes just coldhearted. She was going to kill. And othepeopleaid oh, shes so clearly disturbed. Do you remember leaving the park to go to the woods . They just wanted to go on a walk. Who could ever see Something Like this coming . Like nobody. And you were 12 years old. Exactly. Oblivious. They made the wrong turn at each point to the point where it just was outcontrol. You just have to think about this locomotive that is just going down the tracks and theres no brakes on it. Is it possible that we have that extremely rare thing going on here which is we just have an evil 12yearold . Is that. . Quesadillas . Gordon ramsay . Handing out samples . Seems like just an ok use of your culinary talents, dude. Yeah it is smart guy. Almost like having a brand new iphone but not pairing it with at t. Thats true. Gordon ramsay. Oi, fingers, its not a buffet use the cocktail stick. 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Announcer tonight, the david muir exclusive. The twohour 20 20 event continues right now. It wasnt until we sat down and we started talking with the girls that we really knew what was going on, that it was two 12yearold girls that have planned for six months to kill their friend. You dont often see this with adults. And to have this happen between 12 year olds is absolutely horrifying. Can i ask a question . Yes. Where is bellas body now . Bellas at the hospital. Okay. I thought it was still out there in the crime scene. Did you think that she died . Yes. She is alive. Okay. Reporter have you ever watched any of those interrogations . I watched a little bit. Reporter what was your reaction . It was a little shocking to me to see that they had this big, huge plan that they had been working on for months. Less than a week after the attack i was asked to go to the hospital to interview payton. She was very, very quiet. We had to turn up the sound on the recording equipment really high just to get her voice. Reporter do you remember leaving the park to go to the woods . They just wanted to go on a walk. And i didnt think much of it. Its just a walk. Its in waukesha. Like what bad stuff happens in waukesha, wisconsin . After we go into the woods, we say were going to play hide and seek. Anissa told me to lie on the ground and like cover myself in sticks and leaves and stuff but it was really just a trick. It took a long time through the interview to finally get her to say morgans name or that morgan had even stabbed her. I give it back to her and say, you do it. Go ballistic. And she said, okay, ill go ballistic whenever when you say you want me to. Reporter when you hear them describe to investigators, anissa telling morgan just to do it. I think the word was, go ballistic. Oh, i remember that. I do remember them chatting right next to me while i was just laying there. Morgan said, dont be afraid. Im only a little kitty cat. And jumped on top of bella and stabbed her repeatedly. Reporter and do you remember when it started . Kind of. I didnt feel anything because my body was in shock. And the adrenaline i didnt feel a thing. So at one point during the interview with morgan i specifically asked her about who stabbed payton. Who stabbed her . Both of us. Who stabbed her first . How am i supposed to remember that . Well, this is just pretty important. So just gotta try to concentrate. Anissa or me. One of the two, of course. But i dont know. Morgan is the person that did all the stabbing. I asked payton how it stopped, and she simply said that morgan just stopped and stared at her. That both her and anissa for a while just stared at her with this blank stare. And then what happened . Are you trying to do this over and over again to see if i tell the story differently . No, im just trying to make sure that i get it right. I thought that she was very aware of what was going on. Actually, very sophisticated. After they stabbed her 19 times, they encourad her just to lay down in the woods and rest. But what they really wanted her to do was bleed out in the woods. Reporter and do you remember what you said to them . I trusted you. And they told me to lay down, youll lose blood slower. Were going to go get help. Did she try to get up . You said that payton yeah, she tried to get up. She said that she couldnt see, she couldnt walk and that she couldnt breathe. And they told her they were going to go get her help, but anissa flat out said we werent getting her help. We wanted her to die. Reporter do you remember the moment they left you . I think i remember them running away. But i kind of just laid there for a minute. Reporter you walked out of the woods . I got up, grabbed a couple trees for support, i think. And then just walked until i hit a patch of grass where i could lay down. Its amazing that she had the strength to do that with the injuries that she had. When i told her that the girls were in custody, it seemed to give her a sense of relief. The girls were ultimately arrested for firstdegree attempted homicide. Thats a very serious charge. We were permitted to come to the Police Station and see anissa. I remember her saying she was very, very scared. That day plays out almost every night in my nightmares. And morgan has never hurt a fly. It was just unthinkable that morgan would do anything to hurt someone else. It wasnt until the following day that we knew that she would be charged as an adult. The Current Situation in wisconsin is there are certain categories of offenses that if theyre committed by an individual over the age of 10 that that individual has to be prosecuted in adult court. Reporter these 12yearold girls could face decades behind bars. Questions about whether or not you know theyll ever be free. This law about juveniles being treated like adults for certain crimes was part of a get tough on crime initiative. And the goal was to say even if youre young, if you commit a horrible heinous crime, youre going to be treated as an adult. The flip side of that is when you see a 10 or 11 or 12yearold charged as an adult it suddenly makes you say, wait a sec. Does this make sense . Its unthinkable to try a 12year old child as an adult regardless of what theyve done. I mean, she was 12. It was weird. I felt no remorse. I thought i would. It was weird that you didnt feel remorse . Mmhmm. I actually felt nothing. Theres something thats not right with a 12yearold thats saying the things that she is. But i think she genuinely understood what she did was wrong. But how about stabbing your friend . You think thats right or wrong . Probably wrong. If it were right, i wouldnt be here. How should they be punished for this when theyre 12 years old . Do they know right from wrong . You can certainly know what is right from wrong but still have a problem controlling your behavior. You feel compelled. Theres a chance that these two girls did something just simply because they wanted to do it. They wanted to experience it. Ive wanted to hurt people before, but theyre not nice to me. So they deserve it. Reporter police now have to dig into their childhoods to see if there were warning signs missed. In her drawers, in the closet, there were numerous items that were disturbing in nature. They found all kinds of strange things going in there. Reporter how typical is it for a 12yearold to write i want to die . You would think that a parent would notice that something was going on. People wanted to blame the parents for somehow creating monsters. You could be looking at a sociopath. Definitely. [whimsical music] i love fairy tales. I love nature. I love pink. Indulgent, delicious, irresistible. , night; fancy feast makes delighting your cat delightfully easy. Every recipe, every last detail. Another fancy way to show your love. Fancy feast. Introducing savory centers. 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Between those who saw it as these are dangerous actors out in the community that need to be locked up forever and those who thought like somethings really wrong with these children, they needed help and should be in juvenile court. Reporter detectives now have this information that came from the girls themselves about this plot. The bad part of me wanted her to die. But the good part of me wanted her to live. Reporter but obviously, police now have to dig into their childhoods to see if there were warning signs missed. And they come upon some startling evidence. The middle School Called me and said, we want to go through these girls lockers. There was one picture found in anissas locker. Everything else was found in morgans locker. So she had tons of notebooks that had all kinds of writings and drawings related to slender man. Slender man was originally created as a fiction, as sort of fan fiction and an extension of the campfire horror story. These images that were unclear whether they were nurturing or threatening. One of the first things we did is we talked to morgans parents, told the parents dont go in the bedrooms. Keep the door closed. Were going to come over there, and im going to have my investigator process that scene. When i first entered morgans bedroom, it just looked like a normal room for a girl of her age. But in her drawers and in the closet there were numerous items that were disturbing in nature. They found all kinds of strange things going on there. Strange drawings, dolls that had been mutilated. Some of the dolls had their hands cut off, arms cut off, legs cut off. They found a lot of things that most people would say, jeez, that shouldve been a red flag to a parent. And yet no indication that a parent ever said, hey, wait a minute, what are you doing here . Maybe we should get you some help. I spoke with the mom and dad and they had no idea what was in her room. We started to look at some of the emails. We also looked at the computer that morgan had in her house, the ipad that anissa had. Whenever im really bored, i go on my ipad and i look go to the Creepypasta Wiki. I had no idea that besides the schoolissued email address that she had on her own made a hotmail address and falsified her age. A week before this happened, morgan sent anissa an email that said make sure to clean out your browser history. One of the things that shows whether you know right from wrong is saying clear your internet history because we dont want anybody to know that weve been searching for these things. In looking through the geyser home computer, there was literally thousands of internet searches that were done how to get away with murder. What kind of insane am i . She was searching these things ahead of time. The school had turned over to me a list of books that anissa and morgan had checked out of the school library. Morgan had checked out books on crime scene investigations, the prison system, Mental Health conditions. I look at it as, boy, how do i act after this happens . What role do i play . I definitely had a clear sense of who was the ringleader, who was driving this between the two girls. It was definitely morgan. During anissas interview, she was being truthful and hont. I could tell because she would say that morgan did a, b and c. But then she would take responsibility for some things herself. You think morgans completely to blame for it . No. I dont think any of this wouldve happened if i hadnt told her about creepypasta. Whereas morgan was just putting it all on anissa. Anissa told me we had to. She knew tactics that police use. She knew the criminal justice system. Shed done research on past cases. You cant get more intentional than that. Youre preparing, youre planning, youre thinking about this. If she wasnt 12 years old, i would think she was some type of sociopath or a seasoned criminal. I was hired by the defense to evaluate morgan. I dont think she was deviously planning. I think she was feeling controlled by slender man. What she would tell me is that she really had no choice but to listen to slender man. Was it hard for you to wrap your head around what had been done to you . No. Which i guess says a lot about our friendship. I kind of wasnt really too shocked about it. After i heard why she did it, i was like, well, this doesnt surprise me at all. Because she believed so hard in this thing that she would do anything for it. I was angry for a long time, especially with morgans parents. I thought that they were maybe just in denial. I dont think im insane. Were you surprised . No. I wasnt surprised simply because there is a Family History. Her father . Yes, her father has schizophrenia. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. 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Reporter we have been documenting this story for years, and part of this journey has been with the parents of the two girls who were accused of this horrible, horrible crime. We try to visit at least once a week. On a good week i can get out there two or three times. In 2014 anissa was actually sent to the Washington County juvenile detention facility. And thats typically a place kids spend maybe five days after theyre arrested. These girls just kept sitting there all these months while the case dragged on. The children have no access to the outdoors or even windows to look out of. In the last 35 months anissa has maybe had 40 hours of fresh air. There is no physical contact. I cant wipe away a tear. I cant give her a hug. I cant kiss her. Its indistinguishable from a jail. You go through a metal detector. You go through locked doors. There are not Mental Health treatment providers on staff to evaluate, provide services and medicate individuals. There are moments where my heart is so full of sadness. Thats when i put on a mask. I dont allow myself to break down in front of her and see how much this is this is hurting me. The first time i went to visit her she looked at me and she had sort of this flat expression on her face. And she said, why are you here . Reporter what did you think in that moment . Its heartbreaking. Reporter one of the things we knew people would want to know at home, were there warning signs . Did these parents look back at the childhoods of their daughters and see something now that perhaps they missed along the way . Angie told me the story about showing her daughter, morgan, bambi. Bambi, come here. We had been concerned to show morgan the movie. We were afraid when bambis mother died she would be devastated, that shed be very upset. Faster, bambi dont look back she, in fact, had quite the opposite reaction. After bambis mother was shot morgan just said, run, bambi, run, and had no reaction whatsoever to the mother dying. Reporter she wasnt at all concerned about the mom . No. No, not at all. Reporter did you know anything about morgans fascination with slender man . We did. We did. Reporter you talked about it with her . We did. And she would show us some of the pictures, and she would read us some of the stories. Reporter do you remember when she first started talking about slender man . That was in sixth grade. It was early sixth grade, when she had met anissa. I thought it was really weird and odd. I was never into it. I just kind of went along with it because she was my best friend. We had no idea that she believed slender man was real. Reporter did you ever think that this is a little too dark for my daughter . When i was morgans age, i was reading stephen king novels. I remember being 11 years old and riding home from the library on my bike with it under my arm. And thats a very scary and dark story. So i just thought it was normal. Reporter as this is playing out, this whole legal process, theyre holding a competency hearing for Morgan Geyser. And during that hearing, its suddenly revealed that shes been diagnosed with early onset schizophrenia. Im not a doctor, but all the doctors agreed that schizophrenia in a 12yearold is extremely uncommon. It develops later in life. Reporter were you surprised . No. I wasnt surprised simply because there is a Family History of schizophrenia. Reporter her father . Yes, her father has schizophrenia. Hbo came out with a documentary called beware the slender man, where morgans father talked about his own schizophrenia. Like you you can like see it and like you know its not real but it totally doesnt matter because youre still terrified of it. Like i know theres like i know the devils not in the back seat, but the devil is in the back seat. You know . Morgans behavior was directed by her psychotic symptoms. Morgan was being guided by voices that were ordering her to kill someone. Reporter when you look back, are there moments when you can see her suffering from that . Its difficult to say. She was always kind of a quirky kid, but not pathologically so. I expected to either get put in prison or in an insane asylum. I didnt know which to expect. I dont think im insane, though. Reporter do you feel responsible . I think on some level ill always feel responsible for not knowing that my daughter wasnt well. Your job as a mother is to protect your children and to keep them safe, and of course i felt as though i had failed. Even then, i think there were people who thought, well, they shouldve known. They shouldve had her in treatment earlier. Why didnt they see that she was schizophrenic . At 12 its very hard to identify psychosis. I dont think it would have been obvious to anyone unless morgan told them the symptoms she was experiencing. For the first 18 or 19 months after her arrest, she was not treated and she remained in a very acutely psychotic state. These fictional characters. Voldemort from the harry potter books, spock from star trek, slender man, she considered these people to be her friends. She had conversations with them, and she was concerned that if she took medications that would make them go away she wouldnt have anybody to talk to. Reporter what would you say to them if they were watching . The other parents . I was angry for a long time, that they especially morgans parents, knowing that morgans dad had schizophrenia. And for a long time i thought that they were maybe just in denial and ignoring her symptoms. But i recognize that theyre going through their own hell. Their lawyers are trying to get their case moved out of adult court and into the juvenile system. Its now summer of 2015. Judge bohren makes a ruling. A major ruling tonight from wisconsin. A judge deciding that the two 13yearold girls will now be tried as adults. Ill order that the defendants, ms. Geyser and ms. Weier, be retained in the adult jurisdiction. Each of the girls has pleaded not guilty by reason of mental defect or disease. Reporter no question in your mind where they needed to be . Adult crime is adult court. If they had stolen a candy bar, sure, thats a child. But you tried to kill somebody. So it seems the cases are going to trial. Theres immense risk going to trial because a jury could conclude that she is not only guilty, but legally responsible. We truly believe that anissa knew what she was doing was wrong. Reporter this huge question looms over all of this. Will these girls be locked up for decades . What will the court decide . [ applause ] a more rewarding target run. With deals surprises. Its free to join youll score more. And, help support your community. Youre invited to target circle. A more rewarding target run is waiting for you. 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Nearly three years have passed since the socalled slender man stabbing attack on a waukesha sixth grader by her two classmates. In 2017 the first of these cases goes to trial. Its anissas case. The courthouse had areas roped off for the media. There were so many people there we had to have security push the reporters away from us. By the time she shows up, she looks completely different. She looks grown up as opposed to just a few years earlier when we have the mugshot of her at 12 years old, and she seems to get it. Were all looking forward to the coverage. And then we hear that anissa has pled guilty and cut a deal. That means you participated in the events. I understand. Once she enters into this plea, theres then a separate trial in effect to determine what should be the punishment. They would go to trial simply on whether she suffered from a mental disease or defect and should not be held criminally responsible. So the jury now has to decide, should she have to go to prison or should she simply go to a Mental Institution . Were on the record in the state versus weier. Its basically both sides going for broke. On the day this happened she did it because she wanted something out of it. She wanted to be morgans friend. On the other side of the court they saw it just the opposite. The evidence will show that at the time this occurred anissas broken mind caused her to lose touch with reality. Anissas lawyers were arguing that she was delusional. The bulk of the defenses case was Mental Health experts. They called three of them to back up the defenses argument that anissa was mentally ill. I was hired specifically by the court to do an evaluation of anissa. Did you find, diagnose a disorder for anissa . Yes. I did diagnose her with a disorder. Anissa was diagnosed with shared psychotic disorder. Theres an old french word, folie a deux, which is madness shared by two. Three different doctors or experts all agreed that, as rare as it is, she happened to meet another 12yearold who was more ill than she was and kind of got caught up in her own delusions in what they call a shared delusion. You have a new girl that comes into school whos desperate for a friend being introduced to a girl whos having some Mental Health problems. And then they had this shared interest. And you couple that with the fact that theyre 12 years old and still retaining some of the magical thinking of childhood. And its this perfect storm. They believed they had to do it. I was really scared, knowing that slender man could easily kill my whole family in three seconds. Essentially, it was protecting their family. They needed to kill somebody to prove themselves to slender man and that their families would be safe. Prosecutors were saying she knew exactly what she was doing when they stabbed payton. And point to a very specific moment in the interrogation. The first line that she tells me in my interview was saying, the silly thing about this was i didnt know i was in danger until after morgan stabbed payton. That statement is to me the most powerful statement in the whole case. If she didnt know that slender man had made the threat till after she did it, that couldnt have been what motivated her to stab payton. If thats not what motivated her, what is . Is it possible that we have that extremely rare thing going on here, which is well, we just have an evil 12yearold . The case goes to the jury and they deliberate for 11 hours. It took quite a while. I think that the final verdict didnt come until like 10 30 or 11 00 p. M. Reporter the time had come. Anissa weir, sitting in that courtroom, shaking. Has the jury reached a verdict . Yes, we have, your honor. Reporter shes about to hear what the punishment will be and where shell be sent. Anissa weier was found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect. In the end, the jury decides she should be committed to a state Mental Institution rather than going to prison. With that, i will order that she be committed to the department of health services. A latenight verdict in the slender man trial. The decision, not to send anissa weier to prison. Their decision was humane. And the actions of a 12yearold didnt deserve the harshest punishment. Age was everything. If youre an adult, when you say you didnt understand right from wrong, thats an argument that almost never succeeds. But when you were 12 at the time it happened, youve got a much stronger argument. Reporter but its up to the judge now. The judge will decide how long shell be sent away. We argued strongly for 25 years. Miss weier, do you want to say anything . I know that nothing i say is going to make this right, your honor. And nothing i say is going to fix what i broke. Im never going to let this happen again. Im sorry. Ultimately, judge bohren committed anissa for the maximum period of time. With that, then, i commit anissa weier for a period of 25 years. After spending 25 years in a Mental Institution, my fear is that she will not really know how to interact with normal people at walmart, at the gas station, at pick n save. All of the focus now shifts to Morgan Geyser. And morgan is the one who actually stabbed payton. Im sorry. I never meant this to happen. Mornings were made for Better Things than Rheumatoid Arthritis or Psoriatic Arthritis. When considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis or active Psoriatic Arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. It can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. Xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; dont start xeljanz if you have an infection. 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One of the reasons we did that is, clearly, morgan was much more psychologically damaged. What did you make of what you heard . I remember feeling sad at morgans sentencing hearing because she was not the girl i remembered. So that was sad for me. Ms. Geyser, would you like to say anything . I just want to let bella and her family know im sorry. I never meant this to happen. Reporter what would you want to say to them . Im so sorry for what payton went through and for what they must have gone through, and i would take it back if i could. Reporter do you accept their apologies . I dont think im there yet. Were still healing, and were still trying to rebuild our lives. So its still a little hard. The length of the commitment i believe is appropriate at 40 years, and thatll be the order of the court. Reporter 15yearold Morgan Geyser sentenced in wisconsin today to 40 years in a Mental Institution. If morgan had never met anissa, i think morgan probably would have acted out in some other way. Would it have been as violent . I dont know. But morgan was ready to do something, and she found anissa. To put it all on morgan or say she led this i think underestimates the power of schizophrenia. It underestimates the power of the internet to influence people to behave in ways they wouldnt behave in real life. I really think it was them working as a team. Reporter youre convinced that it was a toxic combination . Yes. Reporter that one fed into the other . Mmhmm. Reporter for Payton Leutner it was months recovering from the physical wounds. But the lingering question was how long would it take for her to recover emotionally . How frightened were you still . I slept in my moms bed for a while. Just because i didnt want to be alone. I still sleep with like a broken pair of scissors underneath the pillow next to me just in case. Reporter to this day. It just makes me feel safer. Reporter do you think thatll ever go away . I hope so. But for now i dont think so. Reporter did you ever think you would get her to where she is today . She had so much determination to not be defined by this event and not be the girl who was stabbed that i really think that its her determination to live a different kind of life. Thats whats gotten us here. Ive come to accept all of the scars that i have. Reporter when you see them, do you see a survivor . I just see myself. What she has taught me is strength and will, just the sheer will to get through anything. Reporter there are so many moving, full circle moments to this story of Payton Leutner. After payton had gone back to school, the man who would be made School Resource officer would be dan klein. Up there is the school she goes to. And i thought thats really cool, i was the first officer on scene to see her and now im going to have the opportunity to protect her. Reporter he has said that he feels in a way sort of lucky that hes still able to watch over you. Yeah, i really like officer dan. Hes a great person. It didnt work this time, obviously, and were never gonna try again because i hope i never have to see anissa again. Morgan geyser, anissa weier. Theyre both 17 now. Theyre both being held at the winnebago Mental Health institute. And this was the picture that morgans mother posted of her not so long ago on facebook. Its not where you pictured your daughter. No. I see on social media my friends and family who have children morgans age, and theyll post pictures of them driving a car, going to homecoming. You know, its its hard. Reporter one of the things i asked angie. Would they still be able to live in waukesha . And she sat across from me and said, were going to move. Younow, i frequently drive by these places that hold horrible memories. And i just want to get us all away from that. Every six months under Wisconsin Law you can petition the court for release from a Mental Hospital. I know at some point well start seeing the petitions for release and well be back in waukesha county. I think morgan could rejoin the community, if not immediately, in the very near future. Waukesha is not a big city. And so if she was released, you can honestly run into each other at the Grocery Store or the park. Payton is in her senior year of high school. Shes going to move on to big, wonderful things. Shes going to go off to college. So i think right now, i think its too soon. All rise. But thats going to come back to judge bohren again and he can decide, you did this once, im not convinced, it takes ten more years and deny it, and she could go back to the hospital. So thats her uncertain future. Do you fear for the day that either one of them is back out in the community . No. Because if they ever come near me theyre going right back in, so. Reporter so you dont walk around with that . No. When they get out, i dont think its going to change my life at all. Reporter if she were released today, do you think she would be a danger to society . No. Morgans untreated Mental Illness is what made her a danger. And she is no longer a danger. Reporter you talked about morgans mother. Mmhmm. Reporter and you have thought about her . Yeah. Ive thought about what shes going through and how hard it must be for her, because im sure a lot of people are saying that it was her fault, she raised her wrong. And like it wasnt her fault. Morgans schizophrenic. Reporter shes written a letter . She did write a letter to payton, yes. Reporter would you read it to us . Dear bella, i wish i had words that could make everything better, but i dont. So all i can say is how sorry i am. And i can promise you not a day will go by that i dont regret what i did. Stay strong. Morgan. I mean, its a nice gesture. And i appreciate it. 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We will always do what we need to do for them, and well do it together because they are the most important thing to us. Have you all taken any time for yourselves to give yourself credit for how far the family has come since this happened . Yeah, i dont want to credit for it because truly it was stacie that did everything, and im truly thankful for that. Therell be people talking about this forever. There was just an endless fascination. We cant change whats on the internet, but we can change whether our kids access it and if they do access it how they process it. I think that the whole dangers of the internet thing, thats probably the simplest thing people will remember. But i think what we found out from the case was, if morgan werent schizophrenic, probably this doesnt happen. Reporter one of the things i will never forget from this interview with Payton Leutner all these years later is what she said to me when i asked, what would you say to Morgan Geyser if you saw her today . If she saw this interview, what would you want to say to her . Ooh, theres a lot that i would want to say to her. I would probably initially thank her, i would say. Because of what she did, i have the life i have now. Which i really, really like it. You do know that when people hear you say i would probably thank her that theyre going on surprised. Yeah, im surprised to hear myself say that. Why . Because i wouldnt think that someone who went through what i did would ever say that. But thats truly how i feel. Like without the whole situation, i wouldnt be who i am. Stronger . Mmhmm. What happened to me has made me who i am. And i love it. Payton is such a brave young woman. And david, i know youve spent time with her over the past five years before she eventually decided to talk. Yeah, and you know her mother and father and brother deserve so much credit here because they have been by her side from the very beginning on this. But theyre the first to tell you, and this is what they told me, that this is all payton and her strength that has carried them through. So payton, thank you for talking with us tonight. And amy, i know that you know we have a note about a member of our own family here tonight. Our beloved colleague lauren brennan, who lost her bat well Ovarian Cancer this week. Shed been with abc news for 16 years. She worked so tirelessly to get us on the air every week here, always with a smile, a laugh, always with her incredible warmth. You know, we celebrated the birth of her miracle twins not so long ago, and tonight we share our grief and our love with her husband jerry and those children and everyone who loved her, including her family, right here. Good night