In the name of god, greetings, courtesy, respect, service to you, dear and respected viewers of the Higher Program , we are at your service with another debate on the issue of whether the transfer of mines is transparent or not. I dont know about the various permits that are issued and the events that have been discussed, challenged, and criticized a lot. Some critics of this process are a transparent process. They didnt know about the strictness , they knew too much from the other side of the poison ministry he was doing it because of technical reasons , he is cutting the hands of the middlemen, he is doing the right thing , we want to discuss the same issue in the debate of this part of the program, lets review the process together and see how much this transparency that was given to the ministry of poison he is announcing that there is and how many reasons the critics are right. Stay with us until the bottom before we go and start the conversation and i invite the debate. Lets go and see together, lets do an overview and see the rest of the experts on the topic that i told you. What do you think, lets go back and start the program, reza mohtashmipour, deputy minister of mines and materials processing of the ministry of Mining Industry and trade entrusted the mines to me. Our main plans are in the Mining Sector. A large part of the mines and mining licenses in the country were in the hands of people who did not have the ability to operate mines. Now, with the implementation of legal approvals and the holding of auctions, mining standards are increasing. Mehdi hamidi, the general manager of the mine exploitation office of the ministry of industry, mines and trade, mines without an operator, which are under the authority of the ministry, were put up for auction on two occasions last year. And this process will continue this year had unfortunately, part of the range and equivalent. Inactive refers to the entry of people without technical and financial qualifications into the field of mining, which causes illegal buying and selling and deactivation of mines. Seyyed reza fatemi amin, the former minister of industry, mining and trade, is the principle policy of the ministry of mines in handing over mines through auction. In the auction process, in addition to removing suspicion, rent and golden signature, government rights. The policy of handing over mines through auctions is not correct and leads to the abuse of brokers, and this process will be detrimental to qualified people in the Mining Sector. Sajjad gharooghi, vice chairman of Mining Commission and Mineral Industry of iran chamber of commerce. There are some challenges in the auction process of mines , which are the first. There is a lack of sufficient information about the areas under dispute, which means that the Identity Card of the mines that will be auctioned, in terms of the type of reserve and exploration reports, complete information is not provided to the participants in the auction. Hossamuddin farhadi nesab, vice chairman of the mining and Mineral Industry commission of the Isfahan Chamber of commerce. More about my opposition to holding mining auctions. It is the way of handing over and the field of mining auction handing over has not been addressed as it should be and yet they could not provide infrastructure related to auctions. Also , there are flaws in the headquarters system in the discussion of technical and financial qualification of applicants. Yes, we saw the report together. Here in our studio, mr. Hamidi, the general manager of the ministry of mines, is also present, as well as mr. Meshkani , an expert and activist in the field of mining. In addition to greetings and blessings to both guests of the program, i would like to start with mr. Meshkani and the question of why the process of handing over mines is not clear in the opinion of some experts. Greetings to you mr. Mendes hamidi and his colleagues and dear viewers in connection with my people, let me give a background that maybe this can help us to continue the conversation. See that the Mining Sector is a sector that is organized in the whole of iran, that is , we do not have a centralized place, so the whole of iran is involved in the Mining Sector because it is part of impala. Allowing anyone to enter the Mining Sector means that an ordinary person, who is not specialized in mining at all, can enter the Mining Industry if he brings the technical and financial privileges. Now these points should be based on the past years, not before this was not the case. If you want me to explain in advance , i myself in 1972 had a range. I registered a range that should be exploratory. I got a 3month exploration permit. At that time , he wanted nine technical and financial points , he didnt want anything. You would specify the area , you would register the area, then you would go and get the permit, but the permit was not that much, that is, it was not that strict, and they were not strict. I got it now, maybe it will take 2 or 3 years that we have a onepiece system, in that system, it says that all your inquiries must come out in 3 months, only Natural Resources sometimes take years. From the point of view of work, lets take a hand and put it together, a new system was created called the cadastre in that other cadastre. Now , there are various programs that mr. Hamidi must have explained that in order for our friends to be able to register the boundaries again in the cadastre, they will bring a series of technical and financial concessions. Now , i have a little problem with these technical and financial concessions. For example, i will give an example. Later, now that the debate has started, we can explain more. See what im saying. For example , you go to a doctor, you get a license to practice medicine, you get a lawyer, that is. He only got a bachelors degree in medicine, now he has a doctorate, we are the highest ranked in the Mining Sector, if we go to the engineering system, it is a masters degree. Higher ranks, for example, a doctorate geology is even inexperienced. Well, is the person who mined and previously, for example, arbab qomber, who was the king of irans stone in one period , was he an expert at all, so if we want to respect , we must achieve all this in a strict format , because our first discussion and the main question and our main proposition is whether the process is transparent or not. If it is, it is transparent on the whole, but it has flaws. For example, i am told that mr. Your body is unhealthy now, but for example, i have a thyroid now , so if it is treated, if it is not treated, what is the problem in your opinion, which is the clarity in your question. Ask the following questions, one by one, they will be opened. You can ask headline questions. Yes, for example, one of them is that, for example, to register the exploratory limits of the internet speed, there are a number of things that have nothing to do with technology and knowledge. I have a solution for this solution , for example, this is one of those, if you see that the system itself is working properly, it will be done correctly, but for example, they say that at 10 45 this area that will be freed is under, for example, it is blocked, whatever it is, it will be freed. When there is liberation, it is not because you are superior in science or is there Something Better . You can win it. Whoever wins first , whoever wins first, its like this , well, it shouldnt be like this. Of course, ill say my solution, but now if theres time, ill say its too much. Very well, mr. Hamidi. Please, lets make a change like this. That is actually the state of the entire range. And he hands over the mines that he has in the form of an auction. The way of handing over is that all the permits issued by the government and actually under his control, from exploration areas and licenses issued to abandoned mines through the headquarters system will do it is in this way that with the date and schedule already determined and specifying the boundaries that are supposed to be carried out in the next months inspection in the mine cadastral system or the boundary map with a specific color for the applicants with a prior notice, all the applicants and those interested who have the conditions to participate in the auction, i will explain these conditions in advance. They know what area is going to be tendered in which province, they can do their basic work , including identification and search, in fact, they can know if this capacity is compatible with what they want. Receive the documents in the headquarters system and within a legal period determined in advance in the governments electronic procurement system. In fact, all these steps are done through this system and it is done through glass and no one can see the offered prices or, for example, on the assumption that he spoke for a few seconds. Is that it takes place outside of the bidding process, in fact, at that specified time , the applicants can they should register their requests in the system and in the time of opening the envelopes, which is also electronic, which is done in three hands, they can even be physically present at the Transaction Commission of that province and monitor and see all the steps and win the auction without knowing what other peoples numbers are like. Yes, it is only confirmed and registered electronically, and electronically all applicants can see the percentage of the winner. It is very transparent and we had a lot of concessions eaten look, in the last two years , according to the technical and financial qualification that was discussed, in the past there was no technical and financial qualification at all, but the technical and financial qualification which is a combination of grants is part of the requirements of the law , which means that the applicant who enters the mining field must also have the qualification. If he has technical skills, he must also have financial qualifications, which is specified in this table based on this table of applicants. Legally and legally, individuals can allocate their technical and Financial Resources in any province in any province for one year in the whole country and all the tenders organized by the ministry of mines are valid. A lot of good things happened in the past. Well, at one stage , about 6,000 ranges and mines were auctioned. In another stage, 6,000 were auctioned, but these 6,000 does not mean 12,000. A separate mine and area, but 12 thousand times, that is, some of these areas and mines were repeatedly auctioned twice in two auctions. He identified about a thousand ranges and mines , the next step was the handing over. It was from this celebration that in 1402 for the first time , you implemented and complied with article 83 of the executive regulations of the mining law, which is the stage. 299 areas and mines were also given to the applicants , this was one of the good things that happened last year. Well, the ministry of politics, the ministry of position, in addition to organizing investment packages , we are at your service in detail. Mr. Meshkani, please give all the explanations. What mr. Engineer said is correct, but i would like to introduce a few objections. First of all, it is the system that is better to give a solution. Well, no , i want to address the challenges first. You say that it is not clear. Someone said that it is not clear. We have to see where this method that he said is correct is being held, but can this method be replaced . If it becomes a problem, the third reason is that, for example, in the auctions, whoever bids the most, well , my name is zaideh, this should be a definition for it , because we have received many auctions. Well, this issue has changed, but i am saying that why should it be much more, see if someone knows or heard something or information. It is not enough, he comes to the odds, hits a number and wins we are currently having an auction in a provincial town. If you want , its all mine. We were canceled. Its been 6 years now , and the guy hasnt worked yet. In the auction, he bid the highest amount , which means the second place is me again. More than that, it means that we hold the auction, the method is correct, everything is correct, but the thing is, sir, we give it to his family, so when it comes to the auction, the item with the highest number becomes the criterion for action , so this is not clear anymore. They are related to us, and the ministry of home affairs has taken it out of its mind and says that you should go and do something yourself, for example, you and i i won an auction. Now , i havent participated in auctions for 3 years, but i won my 3yearold work with Natural Resources and environment. Transparency has a definition. My investment must be in the right direction. This transparency is well. I am getting my money. In the Mining Sector, i have a type. I say that i must be transparent and be able to carry out all my steps. When a dispute is raised and the environment and Natural Resources do not know, you should not allow it at all. Because i brought my money, i paid some money, but this is not clear to you, dont you know that, for example , you want to enter here, no, no, no, not at all. No, mr. Hamidi himself cannot make this claim. The environment and Natural Resources have their own behavior in the auctions, that is, they are doing their work in the best way, but in the shower phase, a series of obstacles are created and they are not transparent. Lets talk more clearly, lets talk more easily, maybe this ambiguity is from them. It should be resolved. Well, in your orders , they confirmed their orders in two or three issues. Now their confirmation was that the process in the ministry of position is being done efficiently, which means that it is doing its job correctly. Well, what the ministry of position has done in this government is that the first total he collected the data and collected the information needed for all the mines to see whether they are active or inactive. It goes without saying that all the mines that were denied being inactive, because in fact the stoppage of this reserve and potential was godgiven, and these are handed over through auctions, so that the investor is properly identified and comes to enter this field, so investing in the mining field is a risky investment. This problem was there before, that without technical and financial qualifications, mines and areas were actually handed over, now or through auctions and the high coefficients that they say, thats fine. Saying that they have not participated for 3 years now, the big flaw was that this technical and Financial Capability was not part of the conditions for entering the bidding, with the creation of this technical and financial qualification , in fact, those who mostly accept this risk in the field of mining and know the need for security. The Raw Materials of the industries below them felt pressured to participate in this process. Most of the thousands who won this auction last year were mostly factory owners who needed these Raw Materials. This was one of the shortcomings that caused the middlemen do not create on your weapon , lack of technical and financial competence, endangering the property people who know their hopes and dreams in owning a mine. This and the culture of mining and this risk were not acceptable to them. This happened in the process of the headquarters system. Until now, i have not had any complaints that i can investigate. During this time, when it was through the headquarters system, everyone accepted this system and protested about it. It was not a matter that, in fact, if there is a disturbance in the professors system, or if there are problems, or if they feel that their rights have been violated, it should be done. The infrastructure of the headquarters system is now designed in such a way that the conditions are very optimized. Your excellencies can log in with any license that i have presented to you and the conditions of each. It is completely transparent in this system. In any case , all the mines and mines that we put in the auction is not that we come and put them all together like before. It is definitely that, according to article 24 of the mining law, it will be inquired once if the license is positive. Or the license will be issued and the license that has been approved and is in the memory of the ministry is again in this case. Some provinces have done this with such sensitivity before, but we dont allow it now, and we dont allow it now. To participate in the auction, those who have no inquiries , lets put this in the auction of mines. I said, look , no, the point here is that they say why , before all the areas and mines that are now under dispute, article 24 of the mining law, that is, the inquiry at the time of registration, was observed and done. Now there is no problem anymore. We do not have any problems. The environment to be improved if we see the problem , we will put it in the query before arguing and then we will put it inside. No, its not like this at all, the environment is behaving in its own way , its not listening to me at all, even in slavery, mr. Engineer, we have a problem now. It is legal that if you have the scope of the exploitation license and you want to develop the breast, you can give that development , you just have to apply and pay the money. Lets make another movie, for example the auction allows us to take that film, for example , my children want to sit behind the machine and enter the auction to make documents. Mr. Engineer should see that baga, or if he comes now, he should go to work in one of my areas, and see how the Natural Resources, environment, and local opponents deal with it. It is not like this. I hope for this goal that he says we will get there, but i firmly say that this is not the case. Now, my case may be that no one has anything to do with it. But the policy of the ministry of position in addition to assigning the scope and in fact , he has come to see the technical and financial qualification of the mines of the investment packages, but he said that the people should not be deprived of these mines. At the end of the year 141 , there were 46 packages. In 1402 , he implemented 27 investment packages in 22 provinces, of which there were approximately 23 winning packages. What is the investment in one of our provinces . Well, most of our mines are smallscale mines. Well, these smallscale mines may reduce the investors desire to participate in this auction , or the creation of a lowtest industry with the fear that the Raw Materials of the processing unit if it is not provided , if it is not implemented, we have come, that is the policy of the ministry the government has defined the area and mines with the same type of mineral as a package , and the investor enters this package and takes the risk of exploration. After taking the risk and the mineral is registered, he is required the creation of a manufacturing unit and the people of the region up to 30 in the shares of that mine and factory, my partner, mr. Meshkani, do you think this package is attractive . I have nothing to say about this package now. Is it right or wrong in connection with the auctions again . Look i am above, i am a person because i work in mining , i also have the highest scientific rank, i have 250 points. Now, it does not mean that i cannot participate in the auction. The civil reserve has some points that are valuable to mention, or you can see here, not all of them are good ranges, not because the experts have not clarified them at all. Some people say that there are 6 modes, one of them is registration of the range , one is discovery, one is a certificate of discovery, even our exploitations are good. It is not clear what their condition is its like, because it has to be explored again, does this exist in the world . The exploitation license is used again