The iranian coach, sharaf iran, the highest. The telegram channel is playing with the whole country, why is it that you are pricing this month . Your question is an interesting question. You are the manager of the football player. In the name of god , greetings, politeness, respect, to serve you, a dear and respected viewer , we are at your service with another debate, in the past few days, the addition or removal of the im in a hurry option in internet taxis it has become a place of discussion between supporters and opponents. The head of the Penal Organization had announced that this work is illegal and should be removed. On the other hand, before that , the head of the development center, the head of the center, i would like to invite you to improve and monitor the Business Environment of the ministry of economy. Which basically has no legal prohibition , internet Taxi Companies can have this option, it is a bargaining tool for their prices, but in any case, the supporters and opponents have different opinions, which we will discuss in this part of the debate, please follow us until the end. Please, before entering the discussion lets have a conversation with the guests of the program. We are in a hurry , i agree with him, yes, yes, why, because the car will be found sooner, i can come to it just so that i can connect quickly, thats why we are in a hurry, uncle, because i say , if not, it should be just for them , there is a rush option, well, look, this is the whole story. About our dishonesty, is the amount really correct or false , the snap fare is so low that when the driver comes to collect the fare, he is left with nothing at all. At least he is in a hurry, at least he takes the drivers commission. Well, you mean, as a passenger , i agree. I agree. Some routes, for example, the price he charges is generally very low because of this when the party is in a hurry, so the price goes up a little bit for the driver as well. There is no need for a person to do this. Well, for them , this is their job. It is an organization, a company that should not be needed because they are in a hurry to charge a lot of money from people. The price is higher than what they ask for from people because i am in a hurry. But, well, it shouldnt be like this, its injustice let them be moderate, i agree. Because im really embarrassed at this price , if a guy comes to my door and takes it from here , hassan khan peak is 190 tomans, no, if i want it, im in a hurry, ill take it, there should be two options that im free to choose, sir, the price is affordable. I will choose him. Well, we saw mohammad elharis report together, we asked peoples opinions, and we found out that mr. Esfanani, the spokesperson of the state penitentiary organization , and mr. Hadi, the former Vice President of the center, are present here in the upper studio. I am present as an Ecommerce Development and Economic Expert and they will have the debate together. Greetings and strength to both the guests of the program. I want to start with mr. Hadi and this question, basically , i am in a hurry. Alrahman alrahim , my servant, greetings and good time. I am at the service of his highness, the honorable guest of the program and the dear viewers. It is the last days of the month of shaban , god willing, all of us with a summary of purity and cleanliness. Enter the blessed month of ramadan and the month of gods hospitality. I think i need to give an explanation first. We actually have a concept in recent years in discussions we have an economy called a platform economy. The fact of the matter is that this issue has been discussed in detail, the scientific basis and in fact research, and this debate is going on every day, but unfortunately, at the current level, both the authorities and the government, as well as the general public, are a bit confused about this issue. Money has become real, and i actually think one of the reasons for hashem is that the speed of growth in the field of Digital Economy and in fact in the field of ecommerce and in general the platform economy has been in a way that has actually caused that because of now it the success and achievement he has had is good he has set the pace for himself, practically everywhere, and in a way, both at the level of managers and officials, and at the level of the general public , he has fallen behind a bit. If i want to explain very briefly, i will say that in fact we had the concept of a platform in the past in a traditional way, which for example, with a simple example, actually doctors instead of that they call each office and the cost of rent and office and in fact fixed costs, such as a system, telephone, fax, printer, etc. , these came in the form a series of clinics or, for example, a doctors building, and in fact a collection of up to 20 with a few secretaries, the whole work was done, in fact, scheduling and managing their affairs, but the fact of the matter is that the Digital Economy and in fact Digital Technology and the internet this whole discussion changed the platform and actually led us to numbers and figures that we could never have imagined in the past and actually led us to those new installations, which is really a serious development. It was exactly right now, i believe that we actually have three aspects in the platform economy in the traditional economy, we have a supplier of goods and services that supplies its own goods and services, but in the platform economy, the basis of the specialization of subjects is that an it company and a series of Information Technology experts are a platform. Or they create a platform and a series of suppliers of goods and services that we now call suppliers on this platform actually supply their own goods and services , which fortunately we are talking about in the field of ecommerce platforms. We are really very successful, advanced and mature platforms we have found that just to get attention, we sometimes pass by the blessings and things that we have very normally , and we dont Pay Attention to what our situation would be like if we didnt have these things. I will give an example that in the field of ecommerce, we now have platforms in the field of posting ads that are very successful and we are completely free from the need of foreign and completely native platforms. Work is being done in the field of tourism, hotels, lodgings, and inns. In the field, in fact , and the image of learning now, whether it is mediaoriented or useroriented the focus is on the fields of plane and bus tickets and so on, and in the field of Intelligent Transportation , which is clearly the subject of our discussion, here we have to Pay Attention, we have three aspects, one aspect is actually the platform that we in fact , we see child labor on the one hand, in fact, for example, in this field of Intelligent Transportation, in fact, we have nearly 4,5,5,6 million drivers. Those who are actually providing this service on these platforms are transport Service Providers , and on the other hand, we actually have several million passengers who are actually users. In the analysis of the issues, we should Pay Attention to the point that our proposal from the traditional economy, which is often based on the state and order economy, to the platform economy , has a series of requirements, and these are exactly the points of success, which means that we the traditional economy in this area of transportation, despite all the subsidies we gave, we followed the orders, the regulations of various laws , if you wanted to answer, it was given , and now we see the situation of public transportation, the situation of buses, the situation of line taxis, and that a new area is coming and in a field, for example, the time period of 5 to 6 years is close to, for example, two or three times the method of finding he does it and meets with peoples luck and peoples satisfaction and increases Public Welfare. This is not exactly shown that he was able to solve the problem. Now, how was he able to solve the problem . There is technology, technology, and Specialized Knowledge that exists behind this issue, and in fact , it has brought our relations from that traditional, commanding, and often governmental state to this point. I ask, mr. Esfanani, why did the Punishment Organization have the option to hurry and delete it, and why do you agree . This is yes, in the name of allah , the merciful, the merciful. I offer greetings, politeness and respect to his highness , dear guests and dear viewers, and i wish success to all dear ones. You see, we are in the organization of governmental punishments, considering that we are obliged to act in accordance with the law and legal regulations. It has allowed that where there is a violation, the violation can be prevented by the government Education Organization with the investigations it has done. I have an additional benefit compared to nonejala there are no people, it means that the distance that a taxi has to travel is the same distance that it would travel if it is not in a hurry, and the time that is considered is the same time, but the person who wants to use this collection actually chooses whether i am in a hurry. And in fact, if he uses it , he is paying an additional amount between 20 and sometimes 40 compared to the real price. I told him that he does not receive an extra socalled Service Charge for this fee that he pays , because there is a time when the party, for example , is in a hurry to choose an option and pay a higher amount for that route. If he wants to go, he will travel in a different style and direction , which can reach the destination earlier than the date set in that platform. It does not make any difference in terms of the route, in our opinion, this is a type of additional charge, in return, no service is provided, and this is an example of highselling in the penal code and the law, which is a trade issue, and for this reason, the penal code announced that this option should be be deleted and make a recommendation first and fortunately we heard that one of these taxis he has removed the internet and although he has now given a statement that we are looking to be able to return this option again , there is another case that he has not removed yet, we hope that he will also obey the law and remove this option. I would like to say that now , we do not deny any of the issues that mr. Hadi said, of course, yes, the progress of the science of the Digital Economy, i should say that we also accept the platform economy. It is natural that when the advancement of science in the world is up to this is the limit. It is natural that we cannot act in a traditional way we must make the Economy International , we must digitize the economy , i must say that we must make a platform and move forward on that basis, but we must move this space to the direction that, in fact, while people are benefiting from this even if they suffer , we accept the part of peoples benefit and the part of their loss that they suffer unnecessarily. We are criticizing that there is a violation and it should be dealt with, mr. Hadi. Look, in fact, the explanation that i gave first was precisely because of this point that mr. Esfanani also reached in this matter. Esfanani, we are faced with two children of the people, apart from the fact that now this company itself is a private sector and there is no Government Institution or affiliated to any place , so we can think that it was formed with government rent, etc. See, these platforms that we have now are actually all the youth of this country, who are often the elite of education. Based on knowledge and technology and forming a specialized area and really being able to provide the best service to the people and raise the quality of Public Welfare in the various areas that i have just given examples of, again, my request is that we should not underestimate the blessings that we have. Now we have these scythians, which are really created with the blood of the liver. Now , this view that we want to have should really be a view that those who shape and regulate these. Regulating, and that too , the only area that has been continuously growing in the past 10 years has been the field of ecommerce and Digital Economy. We did not have any other areas in the economy, so what was the reason for this . The reason is that, in fact, a knowledge and specialty that all the youth of this country are elite educated youth to be inside it, to develop it. Now , i want to get to the point that you said , please see, now we are facing two sides here. Lets take a look at the wheel, we have a drivers side, that is, the company that has an internet taxi, which actually provides a platform , is a driver. Suppose you and i are drivers and we are going to take a passenger to an origin and a destination. Lets do it, and from him, the traveler, what should be done here is the mechanism of supply and demand and the market unfortunately, from the traditional point of view, the government economy is completely distorted, and the reason why we did not move forward with other Economic Reforms is exactly the same issue. Now , this is the transformation that has created. Tell me about this. The senate is also intellectually older than us, and mashallah, you also have a history in the government. He said that in short, we have eaten the blood of our hearts to get here, and that we should sit down at once with a look from top to bottom and a guardian. Sir, yes, we have to delete it, if youll excuse me its true that this area is not an area that has tariff pricing and approved pricing , sir, this is my product, this glass is mine, i want to put a price of 1 million, this is against sharia , it is against the law. It works, and now i apologize for saying that this field is a specialized and knowledgebased field. It is true that all the companies are knowledgebased companies, all of which are actually regularly ordered by his highness and the legal vicechancellor, which was formed with the direct opinion of his holiness, this was the only area in which we had success and people now they are really using it. Now , what is the way we enter . Look at this mechanism and mechanism that exists in this. It is a set of factors that now, if necessary, i will explain in detail that this is working together. The experts in that field should consult with the experts in this field. Sir , its nothing. Its not insignificant. Lets have another 100 experts for four meetings. Lets say, sir, what does this option do . Tell me , dad, what kind of world are they living in . Where is the country they are considering, your opinion , you should see this option, i will give an example, it will be like this, we have a system that is complicated, it is not a traditional mechanism , once we have a traditional mechanism like a bicycle. We understand, sir, this has a pedal and at some point a system sees a series of requests, sir, from this source, for example , to tehran, pars, from this source to. From this source to the tohed field with different prices of that driver with the knowledge he has, from this time of day with the traffic with the origin and destination and the prices he sees, make a decision now when you and i are in a hurry and it has happened to all of us many times, now the viewers i am watching, it has happened to everyone , we are in a hurry, someone is bored, a wife, a child, or we have to get somewhere, time is important to us , it is a flight. The meeting is correct. 40 , which is not a number at all, how many times our own, sir, we are willing to pay 5 times the price, just to get there , so excuse me, i apologize for the time. I said, sir, what kind of discussion is this . Why do we seem like many of us dont really understand . He said, sir, in the old days, they used to say that time is golden. Now , time is not worth as much as the dirt on the ground. Are you in traffic . Pay attention to peoples time in offices, banks, and screens. This is what sir, instead of having to wait 5 minutes to 10 minutes for a driver in this area , he will save that time for me. They speak good words, they speak wisely , they say about the few years, sir, time is gold, you are time it saves for you and how does this not create lost value . Yes, look, let me tell you that god forbid it should not be confused by thinking that we are against progress, success, science, technology, etc. No, by the way, we are also slaves our organization strongly agrees with the progress. We also use different platforms in order to serve our people. Our 135 system was designed and implemented based on the socalled expertise, and naturally we all agree. Those orders that you said in the discussion of our science in the discussion of Service Delivery are now wide i would like you to observe their services, see that i will only give an example of one of these internet taxis at a distance. A very short route that i wanted to see how much it costs today. The approximate travel time is 18 minutes. I would like to say that i am in a hurry. 15 thousand tomans. Just like normal. 81 thousand tomans. I am not in a hurry. 73 thousand tomans and your line is 56 thousand tomans. If someone chooses one of these options , for example, im not in a hurry. 73 was deleted from the beginning of 1401. I mean, if you compare, mr. Stanani, you can see that we are speaking the truth. See, i dare you. I am your little one, the fact is that we, in the last decades, 40 years, 50 years, the words we said in the name of supporting the people were all in the name of supporting the people. Inflation , we wrote all the rules in order to reduce the inflation of soandso , what was the result, see the output, dear mr. Esfanani , thats all, i saw many taxis on the internet. And your people are the drivers of the platform. There are other people, my people are other people, well , i would like to ask you to see the platform and the driver this option is in a hurry, they will get their benefits, because instead of you, in this example that i gave, instead of the party paying 73 tomans, if the option is in a hurry , he has to pay 15 thousand tomans. Who is the driver who is harming the people in the middle of this . I dont think we can talk. Now i have to cancel about 10 of the trips because i m in a hurry. A part of the mechanism of this economic field it is a Smart Transportation that has been experienced in the world and it is good. Now, of course, i have devotion to the service of his highness and his highness. In my opinion, your excellency or other friends , that is normal, that is, i do not dare to specialize in the field of law, etc. The title of an expert is good ask him, sir, what is the need for this, see , take care of this option, i am in a hurry to do it, and what happened is about 10 of the trips and those trips that have been realized by using this option, what does it mean . That means 90 , about 90 of the table was the same as normal. How are these 10 now . It is exactly like a valve, suppose one has a Pressure Cooker and another has steam. You may say, for example, i apologize with a look , im eating my hand, i say, what is this soup, putting something extra here, let it go, screwing these soups tightly , it causes under certain circumstances and that the algorithm that is calculating because it leads to the minimum price, unlike the prices that we put on the lines on the taxis or in the telephone taxis, please do this. I am asking you to really see the buoyancy. Economic relations were simple in the past , we also have a takeitclose attitude. We say mr. Reza khan used to do good things, take new things and throw them away. We only think of the economy of 1423 or the 21st century. Now economic relations are very complicated and mr. Esfanani dear servant and his excellency, both as i, in fact, your sympathy, mr. Dr. Esan lu honorable people, we have no doubts, but what is the problem if we really want to do what we say. Its that we dont Pay Attention to its requirements. Now the economy is in the current state of the 21st century, its relationships are complex, its factors are numerous, its equations are intertwined. And another proof that you are a scientist , lets talk about evidence biz, is that people show such interest and attention. Despite the fact that these platforms happen to not only use Government Support what i am documenting is that with the stonings in different ways, that is, one day with naja district, one day with the municipal district, one day with their windows. It was the founders , one of them, in fact, an internet taxi, just about a month ago, the foundation that he founded 7 years ago bought his shares in an Industrial Complex , the largest production Industrial Complex in the country. It was the private sector with me, now i am based on knowledge i will explain, that is, if you ask me as a specialized field of law and penal field and finally as a quasifood organization, say that mr. Hadi, as an expert, should be separated at all. Although we are a small distance away from me. And we dont Pay Attention to this, we dont remember that just 5 years ago, you and i were standing in the rain with a woman and a child on the side of the street, helping a couple of cars, and now the water is pouring. We do not deny that the service is provided to the people. We are very grateful to them we are very grateful to them. We are very grateful to each and every young person who has contributed to the countrys economy, whether Digital Economy or platform. Now whatever we call them, they are taking steps. I would like to say that if we expect anything other than this in all the progress in the country. If it is possible , we will not have this, which is a disaster. Another point is that you said that they are allowed to set their own prices. This is an illegal area. In fact, look at the law now. I would like to ask you to see that the law does not allow anyone to provide any service in any style or assume any production to price any product that they supply. In the form of a framework, i would like to say that they have a system according to which they have to set prices, and this should definitely be done. Another point is that , unfortunately, like bank contracts, 99 of it is in favor of the bank