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In the uk. In terms of my human rights, to freely express myself and stand in solidarity with those who are oppressed, in gaza and beyond. But it came to me as a shocking realisation that, no, there is systemic discrimination here in the uk and this country that takes pride in itself for being a beacon of human rights, for being a beacon of democracy, does not act in that manner towards ethnic minorities and towards ethnic minorities and towards people of colour like myself. Myself. Yeah, yeah, thats right. Its freedom of speech. But its freedom of speech. But there are consequences for your words, my love. Also on the show, my outside guests will join me. Ill give you a clue. She was the first, elected as a london based councillor in 2006, i cant give you any more than that, because actually, youll work out who she is, but shes the. Shes a conservative councillor. For the london area right now. Before we get started, though, lets get your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Nana. Thank you. Good afternoon. Its 3 02. Im sophia afternoon. Its 3 02. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Wenzler in the gb newsroom. First to some developments on that breaking news coming to us from iran this afternoon where state tv are reporting the iranian president has been involved in an accident while travelling in a helicopter. There are limited details at this stage , but one media outlet this stage, but one media outlet suggests the aircraft made whats being described as a hard landing. President Ebrahim Raisi was a passenger in one helicopter, which was travelling in a group of three earlier. He met azerbaijans president aliyev at the countrys shared border to inaugurate a new dam. The Iranian Foreign minister is also reported to be a passenger, the interior minister has told iranian tv that rescue teams are being hampered by difficult weather conditions. In other news, chancellor jeremy hunt has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. Hunt claimed it was part of a filling, a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. The scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever Public Inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with the contaminated blood and blood products. One of the victims of infected blood, joan eddington, discussed the effect its had on her. All have different and various physical, but its the mental thats the anguish, of what were going through. And what were going through. And that in itself is the support. If you have a, you know , the if you have a, you know, the friends support, but also as mentioned that the red cross are there at the hearings and we can now go for counselling. And a lot of people i know, go for counselling and just, its the uncertainty of your future, and what its done to you, and it gives stability of your mind in a way. Now, nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labour plans to slash waiting lists. Hospitals will be asked to share staff and pool waiting lists as part of a £1. 1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments a week. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and cut the nhss reliance on Migrant Workers , £1. 1 billion paid for workers, £1. 1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance and also closing non dom loopholes as well. And that will enable us to put £1. 1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments. The evenings and weekends, using an approach thats been tried and tested at the london hospital. I can literally see out of my Office Window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london and that does come with a cost. And thats why weve made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists. Waiting lists. A 14 year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy is in a Critical Condition after getting into difficulty in the river tyne at ovingham, Northumbria Police were called on saturday after concerns for the welfare of two teenage boys who were in the river. The younger boy was rescued by Emergency Services and taken to hospital , but the and taken to hospital, but the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water following a search, and he was pronounced dead at the scene. An pronounced dead at the scene. An israeli war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu doesnt adopt a new plan for gaza. Benny gantz has set an 8th of june deadline for a plan to achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule including the end of hamas rule in gaza. It comes after the Israeli Military says its recovered another body yesterday after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. Israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. Defence secretary grant shapps told gb news hes pleased benny gantz has spoken out. Has spoken out. It is vital, vital that for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which are not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them. Who can properly represent them. And israel needs to set that out, because there could be if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia, for example, a Better Future for that region , Better Future for that region, including for israel. So, yes, i do think its time to set that out. And we have been urging this step to take place. This step to take place. And history was made in saudi arabia last night as Oleksandr Usyk became boxings undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury. The defeating tyson fury. The ukrainian won a split decision following the fight in riyadh. Fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to suggest usyk only won a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. In response, usyk said he was ready for a rematch and for the latest stories , sign up for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts. Now to gb news. Common alerts. Now lets return to. Nana. Lets return to. Nana. Thank you very much, sophia. Thank you very much, sophia. Right before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashers joining me today, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and also businessman and activist adam brooks. Right. Lets see what else is coming up today. Labour they announced their plans to slash waiting lists this week by saying that theyll ask the nhs staff to work evenings and weekends like the rest of us, and by creating 40,000 gp appointments, well ask whether their plans are realistic. Also, this hour , realistic. Also, this hour, ex chancellor Nadhim Zahawi. He says that his party were wrong to oust boris. Really now you realise, saying if his colleagues had realised yes, twitter was not the country, wed have probably made a different decision. Exactly. Which goes to show the lack of connection with the british public. Well ask what the tories are right to get rid of bofis tories are right to get rid of Boris Johnson and would you wear a pronoun badge at work . Almost half a half of the people in a recent survey have said that theyd be less likely to keep working for their company if it made them wear a badge displaying their pronouns. So would you. What do you think . Would you tell your employer where to go . Some of your where to go . Some of your thoughts as ever gbnews. Com forward slash your say. Right. Forward slash your say. Right. So its just coming up to eight minutes. Nine minutes even after 3 00. And under labours plans, nhs staff will be told to work weekends and evenings in an effort to slash the waiting list. Now, neighbouring hospitals will be asked to share their staff and pool resources as part of the £1. 1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments at the weekend. Over time, rates will be offered to staff if they agree to pick up any extra shifts. But will this actually work . Well im asking are labour plans for the nhs realistic . Well first though, lets speak to gb news Political Correspondent olivia utley. So, olivia, lets lay out utley. So, olivia, lets lay out some more of those plans that the labour party are planning, putting forward to put forward for the nhs. Well, wes streeting wants to spend £1. 1 billion on adding an extra 40,000 appointments to the nhs schedule. Now to do that, he plans to get staff, nurses, nurses and doctors working evenings and weekends and he plans to pool that staff over sort of five different hospitals. And he says that if he does that, then therell be the same amount of appointments done over a weekend and as is done in a whole week dunng and as is done in a whole week during normal hospital time. I mean, obviously its a noble goal mean, obviously its a noble goal. Nhs waiting lists are huge and just getting longer. Its the one of rishi sunaks five pledges, which he really cant claim to have made any progress on at all. But the question, of course, is can labour actually afford to do what theyre saying theyre going to do . Wes theyre going to do . Wes streeting says that he will pay for it with the tax on non doms removing that special status for non doms. Well the conservatives have already done that. Thats coming in this september. So there isnt going to be a huge windfall of cash for the labour party from this policy if they come into government later in the year. And its thought that actually the non dom loophole close wont wont raise as much money as labour had previously calculated because so many non doms will end up just leaving the country. Labour also talks about cutting down on tax evasion. Well, of course every government would love to cut down on tax evasion. It is more difficult logistically than it might sound, although of course no reason to give up on it. Again, a noble goal. We will have to wait for the detail to come in on exactly how this is going to be budgeted, to work out whether labour is really, really serious about this. But wes streeting rhetoric is certainly in the right direction. Yes, that makes a change after the comments on twitter. What about this all sounds very laudable and im wondering why the nhs dont work evenings or weekends. Could it be something to do with staff . Wheres he going to get the staff as he mentioned anything about that . Well, hes talked about getting staff who were already working to work more evenings and weekends. Now it should be said that obviously nhs staff do work evenings and weekends. We dont have empty hospitals at the weekends, but there arent routine operations at the weekends and previously doctors have pushed back against that. So it could well be that there is another push back. Now the thing is, it might actually be easier for labour to implement some of these policies than it has been for the conservative cause over the past 14 years. The conservatives, whenever they try to do anything along the lines of reforming the nhs, eyebrows raised and there are murmurings that sort of started with the Jeremy Corbyn era , that with the Jeremy Corbyn era, that the conservatives simply want to privatise the nhs. Labour is privatise the nhs. Labour is more trusted by the public on the nhs and actually is more trusted by nhs staff too. So it could be that wes streeting receives a friendlier reception than his conservative predecessors have done when trying to persuade staff to work evenings and weekends. Of course, one difficulty is if you pull that that weekend staff across sort of five different hospitals, you end up with people having to make very long journeys, particularly in rural areas where five hospitals could be really quite far apart. Will that be part of the scheme . Has that be part of the scheme . Has that all been priced into the budget . Its not yet clear from the figures. Olivia utley thank you very much sir. Gb news Political Correspondent olivia , thank you correspondent olivia, thank you very much. Interesting. Well so thats what their plans are. The labour are planning. Labour party are planning to do that. Lets welcome again to my clashes. Gb news political commentator nigel nelson and also businessman and activist adam brooks. Im going to start with you, nigel nelson, because. Yes, sir. Wes streeting hes talking about this. How talking about this. How realistic are these plans sound to you . I think theyre realistic. I i think theyre realistic. I think olivia hit the nail on the head. What we need is a bit more detail about exactly how theyll be paid for. I detail about exactly how theyll be paid for. I mean, if nhs staff want to make extra money and they can do it with extra shifts on the evenings and weekends, thats fine. Youve got to get waiting lists down there at over 7 million at the moment, so that needs to be deau moment, so that needs to be dealt with. The question is paying dealt with. The question is paying for it. So at the moment, as olivia just said, youre talking about a crackdown on tax dodgers. How many wheres the money coming from. From there. Have they is there any way of costing where these tax dodges are and of course the tories nicked to the non dom tax policy , which was meant to fund this whole thing and a load of other things in the last budget. So it really it comes down to a question of how you pay for it, but as a as a plan, yes. Its realistic. Do you think , adam realistic. Do you think, adam brooks i think its utter nonsense. Ive got to say, for the last two years weve been told by the labour party and by the unions that the nhs workers are tired , that the nhs workers are tired, you know, theyre underpaid, and that theyre struggling and they need a rest. And, you know, its not just about pay these strikes, its about the conditions. And now suddenly the Labour Party Want them to work longer. Its Labour Party Want them to work longer. Its just Labour Party Want them to work longer. Its just absolute Labour Party Want them to work longer. Its just absolute pie in the sky. Its absolute nonsense. Is this voluntary , though . Is this voluntary, though . Bearin is this voluntary, though . Bear in mind were not actually telling them to work longer. They can volunteer for less. Also remember that the nhs waiting lists are in such a bad position because during covid the nhs basically become the National Covid service. And lets not forget that labour wanted harsher, longer lockdowns and restrictions that would have made that even worse. No one made that even worse. No one would have been able to have been seen under a Labour Government. So it frightens me that weve got people that mindset suddenly coming into government, and they will be in government. And, you know, this is pie in the sky pr exercises. Yes, i think theyre going to throw money at the nhs. Yes, throw money at the nhs. Yes, i think theres going to be a short term bounce, but i think they will bankrupt the nhs and possibly bankrupt the country. So i dont know where this money is going to come from. Weve also got to also the credibility of wes streeting. Credibility of wes streeting. Lets be honest, some of the things that he said have been somewhat extreme. I mean, this morning emily carver spoke to him about the terrible tweet that he said with sir to suzanne hall, basically referring to people who support her as White Supremacists and far right. I mean, have a listen to this. Mean, have a listen to this. Wheres your guilty of your guilty of throwing mud just as much as the conservatives are . I mean, last time we spoke it was about that tweet. It was about that tweet to susan hall supporters, wasnt it . Wheres saying that a vote for susan hall at the labour mayoral elections was a vote for, you know, racists and islamophobes and all of this that was potentially tarnishing millions of voters in london who are just fed up of sadiq khans record on some things. No, absolutely not. No, absolutely not. Politics. Isnt it really big enough . Enough . No. Sadiq is big enough and ugly enough to take criticism. Ugly enough to take criticism. If people dont like him or dont like his policies, weve not, you know , well disagree on not, you know, well disagree on that. But thats totally legit. In a in a democracy , what sadiq in a in a democracy, what sadiq has faced, i think, is an unprecedented barrage of racism and prejudice. As the mayor of london, thats what i was calling out. And i dont think susan hall is racist. I dont think shes a white supremacist. I dont think shes an islamophobe. Islamophobe. So, i mean, wes streeting seems to think thats fair game. I mean, that hes literally saying that what he said was, okay, hes doubling down. I mean, it was an awful tweet, even people on the left that i know within the media have called him out on it. It was a terrible tweet. You know, i support susan hall because i believe she would do a lot better for london than sadiq khan. Does that make me racist, islamophobic and whatever else . Supremacist . Supremacist . No it doesnt, but lets just remember about wes streeting. Hes got a history of violent tweets going back. 1015 years. The media are of put them out there for people to google it. Its not hard. You know some of the tweets that hes put out there were, quite frankly, shocking. And if i had tweeted shocking. And if i had tweeted those ten, 15 years ago, i probably wouldnt be sat here in the media. Yet. Were were streeting is probably going to be a high level government minister within the next six months. Itsjust minister within the next six months. Its just unbelievable that this man could be in government. Nigel. Nigel. Well, i mean, i dont think that it was a very wise tweet by by west. Wes streeting. Either, by west. Wes streeting. Either, politicians should not get involved in things like racism, islamophobia, throw those kind of allegations around. It always ends badly. I mean, look what happened to lee anderson when he did it, however, susan hall hasnt is has got form in this area too. So i mean, shes on twitter that she liked a tweet about enoch powell, she put an emoji up , but about enoch powell, she put an emoji up, but thats hardly the same as actually buy your own fair hand writing those words. I agree. I mean, i dont think theyre comparable , that think theyre comparable, that theres a question of degree. Im just saying that i dont think politicians getting on twitter, but do get into a time i dont think she was actually a high level, top level politician ready for government in that respect. They should i mean, i mean, but adams referred to old tweets from from wes streeting when he wasnt either. Tweets from from wes streeting when he wasnt either. Yeah, but this one, this specific this one, i do not think he should have put that tweet out. Having put it out, he should have apologised and removed it, because we all agree susan hall isnt a white supremacist. No, shes not, im on the islamophobia. Theres been an element of that. But i mean, i dont think i would call her an islamophobe , but i mean, you islamophobe, but i mean, you know, weve everyones made comments and its to easy interpret these ones as islamophobic. I mean, you saw what happened to lee anderson when he made a comment, literally, he then, you know , lost the whip and is no know, lost the whip and is no longer in the conservative party, is it . What he actually said not to be in the conservative party, but but but they took the whip away from him. So win for racists and White Supremacists and islamophobic the world over. Thats what he said. Lets just remember sadiq khan labelled anti ulez supporters as far. Right now im one of those as well. Im an anti ulez. Qatar campaigner. So again, in sadiq khans mind, im far right. This labelling it. They throw it out there to deflect and to try and silence people like me and others by putting horrible labels on us. And its a real cheap move from the left. I cheap move from the left. I mean, do you think anti ulez campaigners are far right . No. And i dont think again that that phrases like far right should be thrown about. I mean, far right to me is the English Defence league or Tommy Robinson or no far right to me is like adolf hitler. Thats what were very, very extreme people, far right. And theres very few of them in this country. I you know, i agree with you totally that you shouldnt fling these things around , but that these things around, but that appues these things around, but that applies to both sides. I mean, both sides should stop, should stop actually making this kind of allegation. But this one in particular, im just hes supposed to be holding high office soon. Hes coming out with proposals for the health service. How on earth does he expect us to take him seriously . I cant take him seriously. I dont take him seriously. And quite frankly, i am absolutely petrified of what this Labour Government is going to do to this country in the next five years. This conservative government have been a failure for many reasons , but these are on reasons, but these are on a whole new level, you know, and its scary. All right. Well, what are your thoughts . Thank you for that, 3 20. This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Coming up, well be discussing starmers plans to stop the boats where he wants to set a Border Security command will be asking will starmers Border Security command stop them next, will the tories right to get rid of Boris Johnson . Good afternoon. If youve just tuned in. Welcome on board. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua and its time for the clash. So, you know, stay with me, because up next, ex chancellor. Nadhim zahawi has said that the tory party were wrong to oust Boris Johnson whilst calling him the most consequential leader since thatcher. Well, who knew . Who knew . In an interview with the sunday times, zahawi said that he wished colleagues had held their nerve and said many colleagues got spooked if colleagues got spooked if colleagues stepped back and just realise twitter was not the country, wed have probably made a very different decision. Exactly. You would have done if youd listened to the country, but sadly you didnt, which is why youre in the mess that youre in. So with the tories right to get rid of Boris Johnson. Joining me now, nigel nelson and adam brooks, adam brooks. Well i was on this channel all those months and years ago saying its better the devil you know , boris did many good know, boris did many good things. He did many things that infuriated me and wanted, you know, i wanted to punch the tv, you know, in anger, especially dunng you know, in anger, especially during covid. But he was an elected official that got 80 seat majority. Exactly. So the electorate supported him. What the conservative party did was combust from within. They listened to left wing activist journalists, journalists and twitter, which isnt the electorate, isnt the people that supported the conservative party. They didnt listen. And its their own fault, you know, and were in this position now, even when they was going for rishi sunak, many of us on here and on twitter were saying, what are you doing . Hes unelectable. Are you doing . Hes unelectable. They didnt listen. They you know, they go to their coffee mornings with, you know, their their electorate and they think that that represents most most of the people in this country. It doesnt their own echo chamber. They just got it wrong. Chamber. They just got it wrong. They didnt listen to it. They didnt listen to it. They didnt listen. They didnt listen. He they didnt listen. He got they didnt listen. He got an 80 seat majority. Those are the words of the public and were the ones that elect. So even after they got rid of him, they then lost the confidence of the public, which they should have known would happen. Nigel nelson yeah, but its what happened after that 80 seat majority thats important that by the time Boris Johnson went that it was quite clear his whole government had made a load of mistakes. Mistakes. This was in chaos and confusion and there was no way that you can run in the country. So we start off with partygate. We then have that rather bizarre peppa pig speech, which no one quite worked out what he was. He was on about then we i did ive been to peppa pig world. Have you been to peppa pig world . I have not been to peppa pig world, but i wasnt sure the Prime Minister should have been there discussing that at that particular time. That was a this was a speech to the cbi after all. No, i agree with you. And on top of that, you then you then get his mistakes over Owen Paterson trying to change the rules rather than allowing Owen Paterson to be suspended as the Standards Commission wanted. And then we get the catastrophe over chris pincher should have been suspended immediately. He wasnt. Thats when ministers began quitting and 50 of them quit , before boris began quitting and 50 of them quit, before boris had to resign. That is how stupid they were. Because what happens with the labour party when things happen, like partygate , beergate and like partygate, beergate and which i think was equivalent. And what happens with things like that wasnt i mean, thats my view. It was far worse in my opinion. In fact, it could have using as well, i think, because there were clear inconsistencies which i would call lie, i could, i couldnt for beergate. Yeah, but thats not the point. The Durham Police had a different ruling anyway, than the london force. So their raison detre was not to give people tickets or fines if they broke the rules. They actually tried to advocate against that. So they didnt do that. Which is why kie would have got away with that in london. I think he would. Well, downing street, i think. Do you not think its materially different for Something Like that to be happening at the absolute seat of government compared to what cake in an office . He was surprised with a cake in an office outside. Its the fact office outside. Its the fact its in number 10. But when, when you impose restrictions on the rest of the country , people the rest of the country, people cant go to funerals, they cant say goodbye to emotional argument, which you are using to actually hide the fact that what happened with beergate is that these people collected in an area when they shouldnt have been altogether. Been altogether. They claim that it was an impromptu gathering. It wasnt. So that wasnt true. Claimed Angela Rayner wasnt there, Angela Rayner wasnt. There was. She was. Ive met Angela Rayner. Shes a force of nature. You do not not notice Angela Rayner, let me tell you that. And her head was in the picture as well, you could see, but they couldnt work out who it was. And also he claimed that it was. And also he claimed that it was. And also he claimed that it was impromptu. It wasnt. Weve seen the memo. He said there were only about six people there. It turns out there were almost 19. Oh, come on, thats thats bad. Standing up drinking a peroni been there were no i know there were no there were no fines issued. At the end of it, the police decided nothing had had gone wrong. But even just accepting that, what im saying is you find that in number 10, if youre holding parties and breaking the restrictions, youve put down for the rest of the country, isnt that a problem . Yeah, but i suspect many of them thought that it was within the rules because it was in one bubble. To be honest, the rules were totally confusing. Oh thats different. Yeah, but thats different. And the rules could have been wrong , i accept. Exactly. Wrong, i accept. Exactly. So if, as i understood it, if you had your own bubble and you were in work with the people that you worked with, then that was okay. Lets remember, am i wrong . Most of the so called parties or gatherings in downing street were civil servants, and he wasnt there and he wasnt there. Lets just be honest. But do you think it would have happened if theresa may had been Prime Minister . It was a left wing attack on a government, and these conservative mps crumbled and started listening to the left wing press and twitter because of the anger in the country, because people had been restricted from doing things that that people in downing street didnt think apply to them. Well. Well. But thats because i think there was a woeful there was a lack of understanding of the rules. The rules were confusing. Most of us got it wrong. And theres not one of us here that did not break those rules. Correct. Come on, nigel, im just saying. Exactly. Lets remember Boris Johnson broke Boris Johnson youre trying to work out. Were trying to mention you can love him or hate him or both. Sometimes, you know, he he is or was the only superstar mp that we had in this country. Do you want a superstar being prime . Undeniable . Absolutely i do undeniable, okay. And again, he made some terrible mistakes and i was so angry with a lot. But what weve got now is far worse. And what were now worse. And what were now facing, which youll be happy with, is a Labour Government that i believe is going to bankrupt the country over the next 5 to 10 years. So these, these , the meddling by these these, the meddling by these conservative mps have caused a lot of damage to this country. Well, and you know what the there was at a time something called collective ministerial responsibility where parliamentarians within the cabinet they kept, they stayed tight together and they made sure that they kind of if there was a guidance, they would all try and follow it. These days, theyre all going rogue, doing their own thing , and it just their own thing, and it just does not work. It doesnt work. And that is a problem. Well i mean, it broke down there and thats why they all resigned because they said they couldnt carry on carrying out that collective responsibility. While Boris Johnson remained in charge. In charge. Well, it was a coup, nigel. Well, it was a coup, nigel. It was a coup. It was a coup. Well, i dont a coup is not a bad word for it, but i think that that the point im making is Boris Johnson brought it on himself. No. Do you think so . I would suspect just from watching everything that the conservative party brought this whole collapse on themselves, they thought that they would be safer by getting rid of him. So they were saving their own bacon and its, you know, its blown up in their faces. Its hugely backfired. What do you think . Come on, gbnews. Com yoursay, we love heanng gbnews. Com yoursay, we love hearing your views. Ill read some of those out in just a moments time. And just to let you know, spoiler alert the former. Well, the conservative mayoral candidate will be my outside guest. I cant tell you any more. Who do you think she is . Shell be with me in a couple of hours time. But this is gb news on tv, online, and on digital radio. Still to come, im asking whether labour leader sir Keir Starmers Border Security command gets your vote. But first, lets get your latest News Headlines with sam francis. Gnaana, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. Its just after a 3 30, and i will start with some of the latest developments coming to us from iran this afternoon, where the entire premier minister there has now confirmed that the iranian president has been involved in an accident while travelling in a helicopter this afternoon. There are no details at this stage on whether the president , ibrahim rac, was hurt in that crash or accident, but it is being reported that the aircraft made whats being described as a hard landing. State tv also reporting that his foreign minister and other local officials were also on board with the president. Rescue teams now on the way to the site of the accident, however, we are heanng the accident, however, we are hearing that it appears bad weather conditions are complicating rescue efforts. You complicating rescue efforts. You can see there if youre watching on tv, the latest pictures that have just come to us from the scene of that incident, and we will of course, keep across the latest for you from iran throughout the rest of the afternoon. Meanwhile, here in afternoon. Meanwhile, here in the uk, the chancellor has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. Jeremy hunt claimed it was part of fulfilling a promise he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. The scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever Public Inquiry in the uk , after tens of in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood. Nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labours plans to slash waiting lists. Hospitals would be asked lists. Hospitals would be asked to share staff and pool waiting lists as part of a £1. 1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting has also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhs s reliance on Migrant Workers. A 14 year old boy has workers. A 14 year old boy has died and another boy, whos 13, died and another boy, whos13, is in a Critical Condition after they got into difficulty in the river tyne in northumberland, a huge search involving police, ambulance, fire crews and mountain rescue teams was launched on saturday afternoon. The younger boy was rescued by Emergency Services and taken to hospital, but the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water and he was pronounced dead at the scene. And history was at the scene. And history was made in saudi arabia last night as Oleksandr Usyk became boxings undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury. The ukrainian won on a split decision following the fight in riyadh, fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed the loss afterwards, seeming to suggest that his opponent only won a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. In response, though, usyk said that he was ready for a rematch thats the latest. Another update in the next half houn another update in the next half hour. Until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common. Thats. To gb news. Common. Thats. Thank you. Sam. Just coming up to 36 minutes after 3 00. This is gb news. Dont forget, you can download the show live. You can stream it live on youtube. But now its time for the Great British giveaway and thats your chance to win £20,000 in cash in time for the summer. A dream holiday could be summer. A dream holiday could be yours. You could spend it on all of that as well. Get your garden done. Or perhaps maybe treat the family. 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Good luck yeah, so good luck with that one. Next, though, well debate whether starmers Border Security command will stop the boats welcome back. If youve just tuned in. Where have you been . This is gb news. Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua, and this is the clash. Now, this week, sir keir clash. Now, this week, sir keir starmer announced a part six part pledge that he would create a border force or Border Security command to help stop people. The people smugglers sending migrants across the channel. The so called elite unit would be led by former intelligence, military or police chief, and he granted new powers under the Counter Terrorism act. Under the Counter Terrorism act. But will this work, im asking. Well, is the Keir Starmers Border Security command stop the boats . I thought , forgive me if boats . I thought, forgive me if im wrong, that we had all those things , but hey, it sounds like things, but hey, it sounds like marketing to me, nigel. Oh, well , its turbocharging. Oh, well, its turbocharging. What weve already got basically. So the actual question, will it stop the boats . No nor will rwanda, nor will no , it will not rwanda, nor will no, it will not stop the boats. What it should do if it works is to reduce the number which which are crossing. The gangs have taken even more control over the last year. So, for instance, some figures came out today whereby by the average number of migrants on a boat is about 49. Now, last year it was 20. So the boats are bigger. That means the smuggling gangs are operating pretty much with impunity. So the idea of smashing the gangs is a sensible way of reducing it. But the idea were going to be able to stop it, which is why it was a ridiculous pledge by rishi sunak. It aint going to stop. Sunak. It aint going to stop. Okay. And im adam brooks, i find it laughable that anyone could think that labour are going to reduce this illegal immigration problem that weve got. Theres only a few things that stop the boats, and thats if we start turning them around like greece did. Nothing happened to greece. Nothing happened to greece. Now we cant do that. Now we cant do that. Why not . Why not . Hold on, why cant we . Nothing Nothing Happened to greece when they did that, Nothing Happened to australia when they did that. Australia is different because the boats are bigger and theres 150 because the boats are bigger and theres150 miles of international water. But theyre still we could, we could have, we could have huge vessels that take them on and take them back to, to certain waters, in which case then weve got to weve got to get the agreement of france. So if were following that model, hundreds of will you be happy for us to take, take any migrants that have gone from here to ireland , take them back here to ireland, take them back here. Its the same principle we are taking them back from ireland. Were taking were taking some. But we havent. So why cant we send them back to france . We cant. We cant send. Send them back to france without agreement. And the same thing appues agreement. And the same thing applies to the number who are in ireland. A few have come back for special reasons, but weve actually actually said were not taking migrants who go from here. To, to ireland. We will not take those back. The only way we stop this will just sink them. The only way we end up with loads of people drowning, nigel, because they get on your boat. The only way we stop this is by being hard and by reducing what these people get. Their illegal migrants. Dont tell me theyre Asylum Seekers. Because we. Weve got our eyes. Weve got our ears. We listen to weve got our ears. We listen to their interviews on certain broadcasts. Theyre not. Theyre broadcasts. Theyre not. Theyre Illegal Immigrants that are here. Theres nothing illegal about housing. Theyre here because they think its el dorado. They think think its el dorado. They think theyre going to get lots of free stuff. They say in interviews in the camps in calais. We know why theyre coming. We know why theyre coming. At the end of the day, if we reduce the benefits , the free reduce the benefits, the free housing, the free food, the free healthcare that they get , they healthcare that they get, they get, they get all of those things. They dont get those things. They dont get those things. They dont get those things. They get housed, they get fed, they get looked after. We dont let them die. Absolutely. Absolutely. But hold on. If we give them an allowance and thats about £8, its not its not a huge allowance , just enough to keep allowance, just enough to keep them. One section is were weak. Once youre mortgage or rent or whatever it is, is paid. Then £8 is actually a beginning of a profit. Some people , and i know profit. Some people, and i know a lot of people live in overdraft in this country anyway and dont actually have any money to speak of. These people have come here and given accommodation, which is fine. I give them food. Ive given wi fi, are given money, a given transport to Different Things as they need to get somewhere. I mean that is a fact. Its already a cushy life for them. Yes, but its maybe to not you, but to many people, cushy life to them either. Its better than some brits have got nigel but in a tent, which is why theyre not staying in greece. And greece is an eu country, and greece provides them with a tent. Yeah, i mean greece, thats why they thats why they obviously too many people have gone from greece because its much easier to get over there from turkey. So greece has a problem in a sense that shows what a global problem migration is. Slightly fixed it havent they by first of all offering just tents which people dont want, and also by turning the boats. Well its not fixed. Well its not fixed. Well its not fixed. Well theyve done a lot better though. Now remember remember the 11,000 that landed on lampedusa. They all landed on a Larger Population than the island itself. Yeah. I mean, theyre trying to cope with it the same way that italy is. Italy have a have a plan to process Asylum Seekers in albania rather than process them in italy, a bit like our rwanda plan, where we not really because were not processing in rwanda , were sending them to rwanda, were sending them to rwanda, were sending them to rwanda to stay. What what is happening with italy is that if they get through the processing , they get through the processing, system, they would come back. And if they were granted asylum, go back to italy. So there is a huge difference, the worry is with labour and a lot of people ispeak with labour and a lot of people i speak to is that theyre going to do a mass amnesty with the people that are already here. So thats more homes and thats more benefits. The taxpayer is going to have to pay over their lifetime. Can we just answer the amnesty question quickly then . Because ive got to go, okay. Because ive got to go, okay. Very, very quickly. Its not very, very quickly. Its not an amnesty. What you will do is you will process the ones who are here, because the illegal migration act means that people, people cant stay in this country, but they cant leave. So theyre stuck here and we have to get rid of that backlog. This is why we need a rwanda or somewhere you can send them if they fail. Asylum. That was the point of the illegal migration act. But but were not sending them to rwanda. Yeah. So keir starmer has a bit of a problem on his hands. Where will the people who have nowhere to go go . But anyway, keep your thoughts coming. Coming up, my nanas niggle on anti semitism. Weve imported foreign conflicts and we need to get a handle on it next. What would you be told . Would you be happy if your employer told you to wear a pronoun badge . Would you stay . Good afternoon. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Were live on tv , nana akua. Were live on tv, onune nana akua. Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. Dont forget as well, you can stream the show live on youtube. The question is, though, now in the clash, would you wear a pronoun badge at work . Well, 4 in 10 people say that they would be less likely to keep working for a company if it made them wear a badge displaying their pronouns. Now, these findings are from think tank policy exchange, which found that 43, that magic number, 43, nigerian 43. Its all there, isnt it . Of people stated that they would be less likely to continue working for a company which asked them to wear a pronoun badge , with to wear a pronoun badge, with only 7 saying that theyd be more likely to want to work for the company. So would being told to wear a pronoun badge put you off working for your employer . Well joining me now in the clash, nigel nelson and adam brooks, adam brooks , would you brooks, adam brooks, would you like to wear a pronoun badge . Youre the boss. I wouldnt wear one. Yeah, i wouldnt wear one. Even if gb news asked me to wear a pronoun badge. Sorry bosses, but i wouldnt wear one. Its woke. Nonsense. You know, weve spent the last few years having lgbtq and a million letters rammed down our throats, and this is just another part of it. I mean, the they them one is the one that really got me, you know , that really got me, you know, these are proper lunatics. I mean, it is attention seeking of the highest order. As if im going to call you a they them. Going to call you a they them. Well, what does that even mean . It doesnt make sense. Well, its only one of me, adam. Its just its ridiculous. And you know, anyone that you see all these virtual signallers on on twitter . Oh, no. Ive got my ive got my pronouns in my bio. Im such a nice person. Im just helping out the Gay Community or or the lgbt. No, youre making yourself look idiots. And ive yourself look idiots. And ive got yourself look idiots. And ive 9t gay yourself look idiots. And ive got gay friends, gay colleagues that think the same. Its nonsense. And you know, im not playing that game. Nigel nelson i wouldnt wear it. Wear a badge either , it. Wear a badge either, however, there would be one exception. If it was offered by a company, i mean, no company should mandate it. If badges are offered. And i think thats the right thing for companies to do. So those who want to wear badges with their pronouns on can. I wouldnt do so unless a number of people, my colleagues , came of people, my colleagues, came to me and said, look, wed feel really much more comfortable if everybody did it, rather than just a few of us did it who were non binary say, thats saying no. And this non binary nonsense , and this non binary nonsense, you know, again, its it is a tension si king of the highest order. Youre either a man or a woman or you might be a man that thinks hes a woman or a woman that thinks hes a man. But this non binary, this is just a trend. Well, this on i was trying to show you this binary. No, im not non binary , but no, im not non binary, but if i was using using pronouns, im a he him. But the whole im a he him. But the whole thing is non binary does exist. And one should show respect. What is it again . What is it again . It just simply means that youre not. Youre neither. So thats fantasyland, a separate gender. But thats okay. Nigel. What . But thats okay. Nigel. What . Do you believe in it or not, is irrelevant. But it is okay. It is true whether you believe it or not is irrelevant. But it is a fantasy, isnt it . Because theres no such thing as somebody whos neither male nor female. Youre either one or the other to a different degree. So you might be more female or more male. Officially, either officially non binary is not recognised as a gender. Exactly. So its made up. So its made up. But people, people use it as a gender. And i think that in the workplace you would have to respect their Decision Just because theyve made it up. Well, listen , i can make up well, listen, i can make up a load of things im going to tell people at work now. I am to be referred to as hrh her royal highness. Can i do that . No. Or what about if i sat here and said i am now a giraffe and you must call me a giraffe . Nigel would you do that if you required that for me to respect you, i would be happy to call you, i would be happy to call you a giraffe. You would not call him a giraffe . Hes attention seeking. Its rubbish, isnt it . No, its not rubbish. If i said that to my son, who is complicated , my son, who is complicated, eight years old. It isnt rubbish. It isnt rubbish. He would laugh in my face. He would laugh in my face. Exactly that. And lets just remember, a man. It doesnt matter what surgery a man has. What drugs a man takes, what wig he wears, what . You know, fake boobs he has put on. He can never become a woman. And this is where society has broke down. We have got people like eddie izzard that, you know, in the media and celeb world. And people were calling eddie a she. People were calling eddie a she. Its ridiculous. It is ridiculous. Hes a man. Youre he. Eddie, im sorry to tell you that. This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Still to come, the Great British debate. Im asking, would you trust labour with the nhs . But next. Nanas nigel on anti semitism. Weve imported anti semitism. Weve imported foreign conflicts and we need to get a grip. But first, lets get an update with your. Get a grip. But first, lets get an update with your. Weather. An update with your. Weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today. Office for the rest of today. Weve still got some warm sunshine on offer. The risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler in the east. Weve got a ridge of High Pressure extending out towards the west thats bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds as indicated by the isobars. Otherwise plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. Any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the evening. Otherwise weve got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and pushing its way further towards the west. Clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud, mist and fog perhaps developing across Northern Ireland. Temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. So quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland , go so across scotland, northeastern coast as well, holding a lot of low cloud, mist and fog. But further the west, bright skies to start the day. Northern ireland like i said, some low cloud , mist and fog some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across a part of the southeast. Across a part of the southeast. Brighter skies further to the west you go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning, low cloud, mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what weve seen on tuesday for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. The risk of some heavy showers, especially across western parts of Northern Ireland. Elsewhere feeling perhaps a little bit cooler than what we saw on the weekend, but otherwise still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. Any cloud generally breaking away. Still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of Northern Ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain. Rain. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. Good afternoon. Hello and welcome to gb news. On tv, onune welcome to gb news. On tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua. And for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. This show is all about opinion. Its mine, its theirs. And of course its yours. Well be debating discussing it. At times. We will disagree , but no times. We will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. So joining me today is senior political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. That looks a bore. Danny my nigel on anti semitism. Its everywhere and we need to get a handle on it. And this individual who had their student visa revoked, having been full of joy after hamass october 7 attacks. This is her trying to squirm out of it. It. My words were taken out of context and they were framed as me supporting harm to innocent civilians, which is completely false and completely untrue. I think its an outrageous claim that the home office is making by deeming me a National Security threat. Im a 19 year old who has done nothing but go to school and advocate for social justice and try and be an asset to my community. So by saying that i pose a threat to pubuc saying that i pose a threat to Public Security and National Security is completely , a security is completely, a completely baseless claim. Yeah, thats the thing, isnt it . Freedom of speech. But then, of course, there are consequences for those words. Consequences for those words. Now coming up, my outside guest now, she is a dedicated Public Servant. For many years she started her journey as a councillor in harrow. Can you guess who she is . All will be revealed at 5 00. Ive given it away pretty much so. But before we get started, lets get your latest news with sam francis. Gnaana, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. Its just coming up to 4 02. Well start this hour with the latest news coming to us out of iran this afternoon , where president this afternoon, where president Ebrahim Raisi has been involved in an accident while he was crossing a mountainous area in a helicopter. Details at this stage are limited , but the stage are limited, but the iranian interior minister has told state tv in the last hour or so that the president s helicopter was one of a group of three that were returning from azerbaijan , and he says it had azerbaijan, and he says it had come down hard. Its also being reported that the foreign minister and other local officials were on board the president s Helicopter Rescue teams are now on their way to the site of that accident. But we have been hearing in the last few minutes that bad weather conditions have been complicating their rescue efforts in northern iran, and the latest details as well, from an iranian official. Speaking to reuters , the news agency, saying reuters, the news agency, saying that they are still hopeful. But that they are still hopeful. But that they are still hopeful. But that information coming from the crash site, they say, is very concerning and theyve also added the lives of the president and the foreign minister are, they say, at risk following that Helicopter Crash. We will bring you more on that as we get it. But as i say, the president of iran has been involved in a Helicopter Crash here in the uk. Helicopter crash here in the uk. The chancellor has vowed to compensate victims for the infected blood scandal with a £10 billion package. Jeremy hunt claimed it was part of fulfilling a promise that he made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. The scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever Public Inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood. One of the victims, Joan Edgington , discussed the effect edgington, discussed the effect that its had on her. All have different and various physical, but its the mental, the anguish, of what were going through. And that in itself is a support. If you have a, you know, the friends support, but also , as mentioned support, but also, as mentioned that the red cross are there at the hearings and we can now go for counselling. And a lot of people are no , go for people are no, go for counselling. Theyve just, its the uncertainty of your future, and what its done to you, and if its stability of your mind in a way nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labours plans to slash waiting lists, hospital would be asked to share staff and to pool waiting lists as part of a £1. 1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhss reliance on Migrant Workers £1. 1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance, and also closing non dom loopholes as well. And that will enable us to put £1. 1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments. The evenings and weekends, using an approach thats been tried and tested at the london hospital. I can literally see out of my Office Window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london and that does come with a cost. And thats why weve made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists. Waiting lists. Wes streeting theyre speaking to gb news this morning. Well, in northumberland, a 14 year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy has died and a 13 year old boy is in a Critical Condition after getting into difficulty in the river tyne. Police were called yesterday afternoon after concerns for the welfare of two teenagers were raised by the public. They were believed to be caught in the river. The younger boy was rescued by Emergency Services and taken to hospital, but sadly the body of the 14 year old was later found in the water. Following an extensive search, and he was pronounced dead at the scene. In israel, a war the scene. In israel, a war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu , doesnt Benjamin Netanyahu, doesnt adopt a new plan for gaza. Benny gantz has set a deadline for the 8th of june to get a plan in place that will achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule in gaza. It comes after the Israeli Military said it had recovered another body yesterday after the bodies of three israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. Israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. Defence secretary grant shapps told us this morning that he is pleased that benny gantz has spoken out. It is vital , vital that for it is vital, vital that for israel, of course , for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which is not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are, but people who can properly represent them. And israel needs to set that out, because there could be, if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia , for example, saudi arabia, for example, a Better Future for that region, including for israel. So, yes, i do think its time to set that out. And we have been urging this step to take place. This step to take place. And finally, some news from the sporting world, history was made in saudi arabia last night as Oleksandr Usyk became boxings undisputed world heavyweight champion after defeating tyson fury. The ukrainian won on a split decision following the fight in riyadh, fury was nearly knocked out in the ninth round but disputed his loss afterwards , disputed his loss afterwards, seeming to suggest that his opponent won only a sympathy vote because of the war in ukraine. In response , usyk said ukraine. In response, usyk said he is ready for a rematch. He is ready for a rematch. Thats the latest from the newsroom for now. For more, you newsroom for now. For more, you can newsroom for now. For more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts now, though more from. Nana. So thank you sir. This is gb news. Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. Its just coming up to eight minutes after 4 00. Im nana akua. Its 4 00. Im nana akua. Its everywhere. Anti semitism. Im shocked if i thought racism was bad against people like me in the 70s when this country saw an influx of people of colour, things have settled down. People have come to accept that humans come in all colours and that we are all equal. Yes, of course you get your occasional racist, but in general, i am not afraid to show my blackness, as it were, for fear of reproach by what would appear to be normal people. Weve moved on, or so i thought. So i people. Weve moved on, or so i thought. So i find this open anti semitism extremely unsettling, especially from people who should know better. Jewish people are literally being hounded out of our cities, our schools, and in particular our schools, and in particular our universities. The weekly pro palestine marches have made parts of the uk no go areas for jewish people, and brought a whole host of unsavoury characters out of the woodwork. Many of these protesters have become a sort of a kind of open season for racism. Remember the season for racism. Remember the teacher who had the racist placard of rishi and suella as coconuts and take dana abu quamar , a palestinian law quamar, a palestinian law student, and my words were taken out of context and they were framed as me supporting harm to innocent civilians , which is innocent civilians, which is completely false and completely untrue. I think its an outrageous claim that the home office is making by deeming me a National Security threat. Im a 19 year old who has done nothing but go to school and advocate for social justice and try and be an asset to my community. So by saying that i pose a threat to pubuc saying that i pose a threat to Public Security and National Security is completely , a security is completely, a completely baseless claim. Completely baseless claim. Yeah. So that was, dana abu karma , a palestinian law student karma, a palestinian law student and leader of friends of the Palestinian Society at the university of manchester. The following her speech in university, demonstrating where she said she was full of joy and pride that Palestinian Resistance had come to this point. She resistance had come to this point. She said that her visa was revoked on the grounds of National Security , with National Security, with authorities citing her as a risk to Public Safety and there she was trying to squirm out of it. Shes come from somewhere where there will be little freedom of speech, supposedly normal people carrying swastikas, calling for intifada and chanting from the river to the sea, showing support for hitler in some places is seen as cool. Remember the projection on big ben . People unashamedly projecting their virtues . Even in our politics, people standing for high office for leadership positions who are meant to have a sense of themselves and embroiled in all of this Green Party Candidate madison wheldon, standing at the next general election as the candidate for warrington north. She said that both israel and hamas are culpable for the october the 7th attack. Well thats rubbish, madison , the people culpable for madison, the people culpable for october the 7th are the planners and perpetrators of it. Thats hamas, not israel. Her comment suggests that a portion of blame for this horrendous attack should be attributed to israel. I mean, what is wrong with these people . Weve gone backwards. I people . Weve gone backwards. I blame this on fast paced, uncontrolled unvetted and in many cases illegal immigration. Ironically, ill probably be called a racist or far right for saying this. A very odd insult. By saying this. A very odd insult. By the way , to a person of by the way, to a person of colour, weve imported foreign conflicts and theyre fighting on the streets of this country. We need to get a grip before this becomes the norm. So before we get stuck into the debate , we get stuck into the debate, heres what else is coming up today for the Great British debate this hour. Im asking, would you trust labour with the nhs . Labours new plan revealed by shadow Health Secretary wes streeting, promises to slash waiting lists by having nhs staff working evenings and weekends. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking would you trust labour with the nhs . Then at 450, its worldview cross live to los angeles with host of the politics people podcast , paul politics people podcast, paul duddndge politics people podcast, Paul Duddridge to get the latest on trumps trial in trump watch as his new york fraud case turns into a political circus at five. Now my ice outside guest. She is an incredible woman. Shes a dedicated Public Servant. She has been responsible for investing millions in services for adults with learning difficulties and children in care. Can you guess who she is . Ill give you one more clue. She was the conservative mayoral candidate. Thats coming up in the next hour. Tell me what you think on everything were discussing. Email gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me gbnews. All right, lets get gbnews. All right, lets get started. Lets welcome again to my panel, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson wilson. Broadcasting journalist danny kelly. Right. Danny kelly, were going to start with you. Weve seen a lot of nigel already. Well thank you. Well thank you. Good afternoon to you both. Good afternoon to you both. Its a lovely day in the caphal its a lovely day in the capital. Very warm weather, talking about this woman, shes been deported. Is she . At some point . At some point . Well, shes apparently this is. These are her words that shes had her student visa revoked. Good deepwater. You cant just openly praise nearly a thousand. I think at the time, there were reports , it wasnt quite a thousand. I think 1300 people died here around about. You cant just you cant just openly say, were full of pride. Were full of joy. Its basically grateful that so many people are being slaughtered. Theyre not the type of people. Freedom of speech is one thing, but its a proscribed terror organisation. You cant be eulogising about them. In my opinion, if youre going to come over to this fabulous country, its a great country. Thats why so many people get on dinghies every year. We are one of the best countries in the world, and im not being jingoistic, im just being. Its an honest reflection. What a fabulous place we all live in. If youre going to come to this fabulous country, at least tolerate our sensitivities about certain things. You know, dont go around saying, great 1300 jews slaughtered, women raped, kids killed. Its not the sort of killed. Its not the sort of thing that we want in this country. Do you think . I mean, obviously those werent the exact words she used. No paraphrasing, but she did accelerate the occasion a day after in her words. But do you think, nigel, that sometimes theres a lot of these people come from places where freedom of speech isnt permitted, then they think that freedom of speech means you can say absolutely out you like, well, i mean, in this case, the freedom of speech is limited by the law. Exactly. So . So what . She denies that she broke the law. But if she did and what the home office have said is that shes a danger to Public Safety. If that danger to Public Safety. If that is the case, then of course her student visa should be revoked. She is saying its simply for having an opinion in which case it shouldnt. So its difficult to know what the what the rights and wrongs there. But certainly that that is the law that youre here under a visa. But you here a bit under sufferance. It means that if you break the laws of the land, you can be deported. And that should be absolutely right. But, but but this is, if i may just say, this is typifying a problem that a lot of people perceive that people are coming to this country who absolutely hate us. And this is the personification of this perception. Hang on, i dont i dont think shes talking about hating us, that she may be rather disappointed about about the country now shes being thrown out of it. What shes talking aboutis out of it. What shes talking about is the conflict in gaza. Nigel i get that. But what im saying is its typifying a perception that people in this country do not like what we stand for. Yes youre right, shes talking about the 1300 people who were murdered. But never talking about the palestine, the palestine conflict and weve got to understand that it really stirs up strong emotions. Its a perfect storm of human suffering , nigel. From the suffering, nigel. From the holocaust. Down to what . To what happened . The comments she made initially that got her in trouble were made about a day after october the 7th, you see. So that is the thing. So israel hadnt so that is the thing. So israel hadnt done retaliated in any way, shape or form. So, you know, so we understand that people are upset by the way israel have retaliated, that some people may want to speak out. And so, you know, nobody wants people to die. But this is a war now, this action on october the 7th by hamas has initiated a war. But the fact of the matter is, before israel had even retaliated, she was already saying these things. So she literally has no justification to say, oh, its because im worried about the people of palestine or anything like that. Theres none of that. Theres none of that. Well, the issue has got to be whether she she becomes she poses a risk to Public Safety as a result of that. I dont know the exact words that she used the exact words that she used the day after full of pride, full of joy, words to that effect. I mean, clearly that anybody who then sanctions mass murder , what happened or murder, what happened or terrorism and what happened on october 7 is not acceptable. Yeah. So but but why is she not realised that what she did was glorify terror . So by doing that you are supporting terrorists. And we dont allow that in this country. No we dont. And if that then constitutes a risk to Public Safety, then she shouldnt be in this country. I think it does. I mean, thats just my view. But but also the broader point , im but but also the broader point, im just going to rewind 30s my point is that there are so many. There is so, so much unhappiness in this country. And maybe its a perception. And perceptions arent always correct , but there is correct, but there is a perception that we are importing people who do not like us, and thats a perception. Now, this woman, youre right, she didnt say, i hate britain, i hate all of you. A lot of my point. Yeah. No. And of you. A lot of my point. Yeah. No. And youre right, we both agree with that. But nevertheless we have we have a student whos come over on a visa. Shes been welcomed and she is she is basically eulogising about a terrorist organisation. And that sort of organisation. And that sort of dialogue falls in neatly with the perception that people think theres lots of people coming over who dont like us. Its all on that side of things. Yeah, but i mean, the perception of reality are Different Things. So if people are coming here who who dont like this country or dont want to be here, you wonder why theyre coming here in the first place. What . This what she was talking about was purely what was going on in israel and palestine. Well, no, but but but as you said, you said its not about perception. Perception. Its about reality. Well, actually, about reality. Well, actually, it is about perception. We can perceive that perception is important. She she poses a risk. And from what she is saying in terms of, you know, is celebrating the fact that this has happened even before israel retaliated. Not that even those words would be justified, but you may have some understanding of why someone would feel upset for whats going on, but there wasnt even any of that. So the bottom line is this woman does pose a risk to us in this country. Yeah, but you cant make a decent she you cant make a decision based on a perception is what im saying. But thats what this whole thing is. It is a perception of whether she poses a risk. I mean, what she said on screen. Just a second ago didnt mention britain at all. So were not talking about her. Thats not really. Thats not really. But you see a judge or somebody at the home office through a perception has decided shes a threat. I mean, and a perception. No, i dont think thats true. Somebody decided from the evidence that she poses a risk to perceive the evidence. But that is a subjective decision. There is no evidence. She hasnt said, im going to plant a bomb in a train station, has she . We dont know exactly why they revoked on that interview. Revoked her, revoked her visa, if its simply if its simply based on an interview, where. Thats correct. Well, if it is simply based on that, i cant quite see how she poses a risk to Public Safety. Well, well, thats because you didnt decide it. But someone much above us on on a different pay level has decided which is why based on that, which is why based on that, which is why based on that, which is why, which is perception, which was why you would need more evidence to actually. Well, evidently not. Well, im not sure. Thats right, i think. Well well see. Shes a law student, so shes going to use everything she can in her power to stay. But i would suggest to her that whilst we do have freedom of speech, it comes with boundaries and that would be. And you. She may well have crossed one, but we shall follow that story and keep you posted. Itsjust follow that story and keep you posted. Its just 19 minutes after 4 00. This is gp news on tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua coming up. World view will cross live to los angeles to speak to the host of the politics people podcast. Paul duddridge, then the Great British debate. This hour im asking, would you trust labour with the nhs . Ive got to pull up right now on x asking you that very question. Would you trust labour with the nhs . Send me your thoughts. Gbnews. Com forward slash your say. Tell me what you think. Cast your vote now good afternoon. 22 minutes after 4 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua now. Earlier on in the show, we were talking about wearing a pronoun badge. Vincent got in touch and he said, nigel is non binary. Nigel is non politician. I think. You non politician. I think. You dont think hes a politician. Actually who says, oh, support me . Well, i love this one because just a girl said i identify as transparent. My identify as transparent. My pronouns are who and where. Hahaha. Thats brilliant, i love that. Brilliant. Keep your thoughts coming gbnews. Com yoursay id. Love to gbnews. Com yoursay id. Love to hear what you think on this topic in particular, but its time now for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking, would you trust labour with the nhs now . Labours new plan revealed by shadow Health Secretary wes streeting, promises to slash waiting lists by having having nhs staff working evenings and weekends. Now. This 1. 1 billion Initiative Aims to create an additional 40,000 appointments each week , 40,000 appointments each week, and that will mean that hospitals would share staff and resources to maximise efficiency, offering overtime pay efficiency, offering overtime pay for those willing to take on the extra shifts. So the Great British debate this. Hour im british debate this. Hour im asking would you trust labour with the nhs . Well, joining me now to discuss former editor of the labour is Peter Edwards, businessman and activist adam adam woods, Health Writer and commentator roy lily. Also nhs gp doctor david lloyd. Im going to start with you, roy. Lily, what are your thoughts on these plans . Well, the nhs is working over time now. I mean, part of nhs englands overspend was they. There are about 9 billion overspent last yean about 9 billion overspent last year, part of that was over time agency and bank working. And of course nhs staff have. Course nhs staff have. A contract of 37. 5 hours a week. Contract of 37. 5 hours a week. All overtime will be discretionary. So you cant make people work overtime. I mean, im sure some will welcome it and want to do it. Some it will push them into a higher tax band andifs push them into a higher tax band and its probably not worth doing it. Some will have family commitments and cant do it, so you cant. I mean, this doesnt strike me as a as a kind of a plan to actually fix something. Its just a, you know, some opportunistic ideas to say, well, if people work a bit more, well get a bit more done. Its, its, you know, it doesnt strike me as being a cohesive, Management Plan to sort out the problems. Management plan to sort out the problems. That Management Plan to sort out the problems. That there are Management Plan to sort out the problems. That there are in the nhs. The, the difficulties were outlined this week in a very good paper that was presented to nhs englands board, where they talked about productivity and throughput and getting more done. And the difficulties are simply that primarily people are a lot sicker than they were. Average length of stay has gone up, it was 3 to 5 and now were, were talking, you know, probably 4 to 7, 4 to 8. Theres a theres a big issue with social services once people are medically fit to go home, theyre still frail, need to be looked after and getting care plans for them is getting more and more difficult. So theres a huge backlog there. And finally, theres been a sort of a complete lack of investment in the nhs in the, you know, the years following the war banking crisis, flat line funding. We have fewer nurses, fewer doctors , fewer beds, fewer kit, fewer everything per head of population. I mean, if i just population. I mean, if i just said to you, the average and, number of beds per head of population, across europe is five. And here in the uk its two and a half. So these are the big problems that labour needs to fix, not whether or not, you know , nurses are going to want know, nurses are going to want to do overtime. Thank you for that, roy, doctor david lloyd. Well, i think thats a small part of what labour has pledged. I think the idea of having these , neighbour to Health Centres is a good idea. We used to have them back in the old days of labour party, where we all worked together 12 hours a day, seven days a week, and we provided a fantastic service. And so im all for bringing that back. And i know a lot of my colleagues would like to work in that sort of way, working alongside consultants and nurses, other specialities, all providing care locally, by people that patients know , peter people that patients know, Peter Edwards, wasnt it the labour party . Wasnt it tony blair who kind of broke up a lot of the nhs trusts, i mean, or created. Nhs trusts, i mean, or created. A lot of the trust because i remember tony blair had a big involvement in that. Gosh, that might be a question for medical historians rather than me. But the primary care trust system did change under under labour. So. Absolutely right. Lets go back to what your previous contributors were saying. Staffing. I think staffing is part of the answer and labour have been clear. Its not the only answer, but for the reasons described, you get through the backlog but also remember that Patient Outcomes are often a bit worse on a saturday on sunday. So apart from the backlog, theres a wider benefit in having more staff on call at the weekend. Nana i dont need to tell you as a journalist that that many of us in Different Industries work at weekends. Yeah. So it does seem like as though its some sort of oh, we dont get more people working on weekends. They do anyway. That feels a bit of a sort of a curveball. I dont think thats anything new. Adam brooks look, we cant skirt around the edges here. The nhs has got record, amounts of funding. Now, you could double that and wed still have massive issues in the nhs. Theres waste. I know of theres waste. I know of suppliers that have got different tariffs. One for normal companies, one for the nhs, the nhs, overpays for everything. Weve got corruption on a huge. Scale within the nhs, on a huge. Scale within the nhs, weve got middle managers, that middle manage. Other middle managers are meeting for a meeting is waste, complete waste. Theres so many jobs that could go and we could put them on the front line, you know, hire better nurses and doctors. Weve got, foreign interpreters, weve got Foreign Health tourists. You know, weve got tourists. You know, weve got diversity managers complete nonsense within the nhs that its just wasting money so you can throw as much money as you want at, at this problem. Labour is not going to going to solve this until they sort the core problems out. You know, as i say , you can throw as much money as you want at the nhs and it still wont improve. But all those diversity managers that you talk about at net zero, all those people came in under the tory government, didnt they. So and the question didnt they. So and the question is whether we can trust labour with the nhs and if all the things youve cited, they did come in under the tory government. Okay. So blair, a lot of questions asked whether tony blair privatised it. He was responsible for not just bringing the private sector in to provide additional capacity, but but also to use it for challenging the sort of nhs institutions. So in challenging the sort of nhs institutions. So in some challenging the sort of nhs institutions. So in some way, institutions. So in some way, tony blair did do you think, adam, that he did a good or bad job . Im really not a big fan of tony blair, so im not going to say he did a great job. I think he ruined this country in many instances. But under gordon brown, the funding structure that he put within the nhs, is it ppi or ppe . It was the this was the pfi, pfi, pfi contracts. A lot of the funding that nhs trusts get are spent still on these payments. Its still bankrupting the nhs. So a labour bankrupting the nhs. So a Labour Government help themselves short term and then theyve hurt the nhs long term. And i think they could do that again. They could bnngin could do that again. They could bring in something that makes them look. Good maybe improves them look. Good maybe improves it short term, but its going to bankrupt the country and bankrupt the country and bankrupt the country and bankrupt the nhs. But could they do a worse job . I but could they do a worse job . I mean, at least theyve not had. How many Health Secretaries is it in four years . I think it was eight Health Secretaries or something. In fact, in one year the tories, the tories in one year had four Health Secretaries. I mean, this is in 2022. So i dont know what you think. But final, final word. Roy lilley, do you think, that labour are on the right track with the nhs and if not, what would be the one thing that you would suggest that should be done to increase capacity and get it, get it working properly . Well, the one thing i would do is to sort out social care. I mean, borisjohnson stood i mean, Boris Johnson stood on the steps of downing street and said, we have an oven ready system to sort out social care. And he went missing. Weve had umpteen people kind of, you know, i cant remember so many of them. Theyve and theyve all ducked social care and labour are ducking social care. You have to fix social care for two reasons. One, about 900,000 people, frail people who used to get support from local government. So the care packages government. So the care packages and so on no longer get it because the Eligibility Criteria has been pushed up because local government doesnt have the money to provide them. So that means we got 900,000 refugees in our own system, where do they end up in a e . Thats part of the problem. The other end of the problem. The other end of that problem is once people are medically ready to go home, they cant go home without some kind of support, mainly domiciliary care. The domiciliary care care. The domiciliary care market is completely knackered because theyre not paying enough money for it. People dont want to work in it because they pay a minimum wage, and they pay a minimum wage, and they can go and work in a supermarket , they can go and work in a supermarket, and its a lot cheapen supermarket, and its a lot cheaper. So the one thing i would do is to fix the one thing that all of these politicians duck, and thats fix social care i social care. All right. Well yes or no then roy lilley. Yes or no. Do you trust labour with the nhs. The nhs. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah i think theyre going to do any worse than anybody else. Doctor david lloyd, do you trust labour. Yes. Or no. Lutely. Lutely. And look at the disasters that the dentistry systems got into under this government, its so easy to do that into general practice as well. So yes, labour is safe, labour is safe and the nhs and will do something about the appalling dentistry service. Addenbrookes. Addenbrookes. No, i think theyre going to bankrupt the nhs and Peter Edwards. Yes. Yes. Public satisfaction was a record high under the last Labour Government. Okay. Well thats their thoughts. Peter edwards, former editor of the labourlist. Adam brookes, businessman and activist. Rory littlehales, writer and commentator and doctor david lloyd, nhs gp doctor. Thank you so much. What doctor. Thank you so much. What do you think at home, gbnews. Com yoursay say youre with me. Im nana. Akua. This is gb news coming up. 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Its fast approaching 41 minutes after 4 00. If youve just tuned in. Where have you been . This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Were live on tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. Dont worry, i dont bite. Not without a good reason. Its time now to continue with the Great British debate this hour. And im asking, would you trust labour with the nhs now . Labour, their new plan was revealed by the shadow Health Secretary, wes streeting , and promises to slash streeting, and promises to slash waiting lists by having nhs staff working evenings and weekends. Now wheres criticised the nhs over reliance on Migrant Workers. He the nhs over reliance on Migrant Workers. He highlighted the nhs over reliance on Migrant Workers. He highlighted the need workers. He highlighted the need to train more uk based healthcare professionals. What healthcare professionals. What do you think . Is he right . So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking would you trust labour with the nhs . Well, lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. Danny kelly coming to you straight away, what do you think i would trust labour . I dont have an ideological issue with labour and the nhs. Issue with labour and the nhs. History tells us how difficult it is to fund the nhs. Its littered with. Well, again, going back to perception, its littered with what some people would say were were mistakes with pfi would say were were mistakes with pf and things like that. Dont forget pfi. The reason they introduced pfi dont forget pfi. The reason they introduced pe is because they introduced pe is because the government understood that mandarins couldnt organise things and couldnt run big, massive organisations like the nhs. But private people could. The consequences of that are that private need to make a few quid out of it . We get all of that, but i would, i would, i mean its rather straightforward. Ive never really understood why the nhs isnt a proper seven day a week outfit. Ive never really understood. Well it is. Well its not because consultants thats true are off at weekends. Generally speaking. Yes, generally speaking. Yes, therell be one and yes theyll be on call. I get all of that. But people have cardiac arrests on a saturday morning. Ive never really understood why its not a full time, seven day a week outfit. If labour can correct that, amend it then yes, of course thats the plan. So. So what . Wes streeting has got has got to go with goes a lot further than just simply paying a lot further than just simply paying overtime for doctors and nurses to work evenings and weekends. One of the things he would do, for instance, an answer to that is to stop surgeons clocking off at 5 00. His view is why should they . They should. They should keep going. They should do shift work like like anybody else, the reforms of the nhs will be about turning it into a Prevention Service rather than a sickness service. So for instance, 80 of serious illness is in the pre symptomatic stage where we dont know about it. If we went for enough screening, then the chancellor, you could pick these things up earlier. And one of the plans that hes got is to double the number of scanners that the nhs have at the moment. But the reason that were in this pickle is that there are quite simply, too many people in this country for the services. Its as simple as that. Were overwhelmed with people and people, no matter where they come from, they get sick and he says that we need to train more indigenous, more brits to help out the nhs. Well, the reason out the nhs. Well, the reason that were in this position and the reason that we need to we rely on migrants is because weve got so many migrants who are in the system. Well, thats are in the system. Well, thats its a never ending. Well, thats not quite i dont think thats quite right. The reason why were in this mess is because its been underfunded and in a, in a respect that the way its been built up and also i think its remit is actually impossible. You cannot literally give everybody something free at the point of need, even though its coming out of taxes. I just dont think its realistic. But lets see what my, lets welcome our Great British voice, because the show is nothing without you. And your views, your opportunity to be on the show and tell me what you think about what were discussing. Lets go to northamptonshire, shall we . Lets speak to Miranda Richardson. Wow. Not the Miranda Richardson, our Miranda Richardson, our Miranda Richardson, the gb news. Miranda richardson, the gb news. Miranda richardson. Miranda, what are richardson. Miranda, what are you saying . Nana . Look at us both. Pretty in pink. I know everyones in it. Yeah, everyones in it. So what do you think, miranda . Did you trust labour with the nhs . Trust labour with the nhs . Im kind of with danny on this one. You know , i dont this one. You know, i dont trust them. And i dont distrust them. As we all know , it doesnt them. As we all know, it doesnt matter whos in charge. The nhs is in a mess. Regardless of who it is, i think it is quite right. You know, i just my dads just beenin. You know, i just my dads just been in hospital, you know, a couple of months for, two Different Things. Long time , you Different Things. Long time, you know, we know that one friday rolls around. Well, youll just be in there for the weekend. Somebody will come back and see you on monday. You know, and that recovery and that being able to get that support through it doesnt happen at the weekends. You know, god forbid you get ill on a friday because you get ill on a friday because you wont see anybody until monday, and i think that thats one of the biggest issues, and. Yeah. Why, you know, why dont they work shifts like everybody else . You know, theyre just because, you know, thats why. Then the wait in a e becomes so long because guess what . The emergency rolls in at 4 00 in the morning. And anybody else thats been on there waits because theres one consultant, theres one surgeon, theres one doctor, but also, you know, again , we dont the system isnt again, we dont the system isnt big enough. Every day, no matter where you live in the country, there is new news about so many new houses going up, so many new fields have been bought for new houses bought for development. Where i am in northampton, our hospital hasnt got any bigger. Hospital hasnt got any bigger. Yeah, there are houses all around it. You know, thats thats the problem. Weve got a growing population and the infrastructures are simply not catching up. Miranda, thank you so much. Lovely. Lovely to talk so much. Lovely. Lovely to talk to you. Thats a brilliant Miranda Richardson in northamptonshire. Yeah, shes northamptonshire. Yeah, shes our Miranda Richardson. Right. Youre with me. Im nana akua. Youre with me. Im nana akua. This is gb news coming up to 47 minutes after 4 00 on the way. In the next hour, the Great British debate im asking, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . But next world view will go live to la and speak to the host of the politics people podcast with Paul Duddridge. Good afternoon, and welcome to gb news. Whats moving there . I thought, oh, well, im on tv, onune thought, oh, well, im on tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua. Welcome again to my nana akua. Welcome again to my panel nana akua. Welcome again to my panel, danny kelly. And also nigel nelson. And lots of you have been getting in touch gbnews. Com forward slash your say lets see what else have we got. So lots of you been saying stuff pete says no, i could never trust labour. I would sooner because earlier i was asking, would you trust labour with the nhs and pete says, no, i could never trust labour. I would sooner eat my own vomit than support them. Its not particularly nice. Okay. Okay. Bon appetit. If you just tuck it into. Yeah, well , you wont have to yeah, well, you wont have to go to hospital. Exactly. Lets hope you dont need a doctor, and then. What have you got here . Oh, somebodys telling how. How do i vote, they dont like, you know, some people are complaining about you. Simply. No labour couldnt run a tap. Its not fair on your party, is it not . Do you think. And then labour did. Did actually found the nhs andifs did actually found the nhs and its been under in better management when theyve been in power than when they havent been , james says we dont need been, james says we dont need any more pro Hamas Terrorists coming here from abroad masquerading as students. We have enough of our own home made ones already. So a lot of home made terror in this country. Thats probably quite true. Graham says we do not have to justify why a visa is being revoked. This is about the student who has said that shes having a visa revoked. A visa in this country is a privilege, not a right. Do you think thats fair enough, isnt it . Yeah, right. And, what else have we got here having been, stephen says, having been a lifelong tory voter, given the diabolical shambles of the country and having lived through the last Labour Government, i would not trust any of our current inept politicians to look after anything. They are all pathetic. Anything. They are all pathetic. On that bombshell. Lets flip over to los angeles and have a chat with host Paul Duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, and lets get a quick update on trump. Now, trump is update on trump. Now, trump is floating the idea of a three term presidency. See, thats a good idea. Well, i would like them to have only a two term mayoral thing in london or anywhere. I think somebody should only be mayor twice in a row, but, well , he wants to row, but, well, he wants to extend it one more term so he could he wouldnt. Well, it has could he wouldnt. Well, it has to be if he did for 12 years on from the eight years now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously he won the last two elections, but hes hes always floated this hes always floated the idea of having like three, even four terms because he just he knows it winds up the left. Itsjust knows it winds up the left. Its just its just a bait. He was addressing the National Rifle association yesterday and floated him i mean this will all be regurgitated. Like he said, hes going to be a dictator. So no, its just its just him playing with the, playing with the left, teasing them. The left, teasing them. But he does. But he does. On a serious note, he does feel cheated, i believe out of 2020 and should get an asterisk and a do over. And that will technically be another. Do you do you think the election was stolen from him . Election was stolen from him . Yes. You do. Yeah. And the thing is , with trump, theres many is, with trump, theres many things that he said. And people have sort of laughed at it. And a lot of them have turned out to be true in time. A lot of them have turned out to be true in time. So what about be true in time. So what about biden, though . Because biden says a lot of stuff as well. But finally, the Mainstream Media are Fact Checking him, a Fact Checking him. Can you imagine journalists are journalists are Fact Checking a president. Ive never seen the like. Ive never seen the like. Bidens been saying, amongst other things , bidens been other things, bidens been slurring that, inflation was at 9 when he came in. And for the very first time, were seeing people like cnn, even msnbc, pushing back on the white house narrative, saying, well, it was it was like at 1. 4, even though it was at like very, very low, historically low in some areas , levels. And but hes some areas, levels. And but hes saying at 9 when i came in, 9 when i came in and theyre all going back and saying, now it wasnt now, i think theres an underlying trend happening here in the establishment. When weve talked about this before, i think bidens gone by august, and i think that the establishment is beginning to push back and slightly withdraw their support and allowing a fresh candidate to come in and replace him, after the, after august and before the election , august and before the election, well, listen, paul was struggling a little bit with your audience, so well have to leave it there. But thank you very much. That is Paul Duddridge. Hes the host of the politics people podcast, giving us an update. Well, listen, stay tuned because coming up, my outside guest, whos a mystery. Who is she . Well, she led calls for the mayor to cut wasteful spending and increased Police Funding to make london a safe place. Im sure youve guessed who she is. Shell be live in the studio coming up, though. The Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour. Im asking, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . First, an update with your. Protests . First, an update with your. Weather. Your. Weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today. Weve still got some warm sunshine on offer. The risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler. In the east weve got a ridge of High Pressure extending out towards the west thats bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds, as indicated by the isobars. Otherwise, plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. Any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the evening. Otherwise weve got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and pushing its way further towards the west. Clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud, mist and fog perhaps developing across Northern Ireland. Temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. So quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland , that you go so across scotland, North Eastern coast as well, holding a lot of low cloud, mist and fog. But further the west, bright skies to start the day. Northern ireland like i said, some low cloud , mist and fog some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across parts of the southeast. Across parts of the southeast. Brighter skies further to the west. You go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning, low cloud, mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what weve seen on tuesday for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. The risk of some heavy showers, especially across western parts of Northern Ireland. Elsewhere feeling perhaps a little bit cooler than what we saw on the weekend, but otherwise still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. Any cloud generally breaking away. Still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of Northern Ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain. Rain. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. Away. Hello. Good afternoon. Welcome to gb news on tv , online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua. Its 5 00. And for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. Coming up, this weeks outside now im joined by a dedicated Public Servant. Well be discussing highs, lows and the lessons learnt about her. Extremely interesting career in the London Assembly. Of course, she is susan hall. She is doing her first interview since she lost that mayoral race. So do not go anywhere then for the Great British debate this hour, im asking is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . But first lets get your latest latest news headunes your latest latest News Headlines with sam francis. Headlines with sam francis. Very good evening to you. Its 5 00 exactly. Im sam francis. A look at the headlines this evening. Francis. A look at the headlines this evening. Bad francis. A look at the headlines this evening. Bad weather is this evening. Bad weather is continuing to complicate efforts to locate president Ebrahim Raisi after his Helicopter Crashed in the mountains of iran. The aircraft suffered whats been described as a hard landing while returning from a visit to neighbouring azerbaijan is being reported that the lives of both the president and the foreign minister, who was also on board that helicopter, are at risk with an iranian official describing the latest but limited information coming from the crash site as very concerning. Were also hearing from state tv in iran that the dispatched rescue team are due to reach the probable coordinates of the president s Helicopter Crash within the next half hour or so. Meanwhile, here in the uk, the families of those affected by the infected blood scandal are holding a vigil this evening ahead of an independent inquirys final report, due out tomorrow. The scandal has been the subject of the biggest ever pubuc the subject of the biggest ever Public Inquiry in the uk, after tens of thousands of people were infected with contaminated blood. The chancellor has vowed to compensate victims with a £10 billion package, with jeremy hunt claiming it was part of fulfilling a promise that hed made to a constituent who died after contracting hepatitis c. Well, one of the victims, Joan Edgington, has discussed the effect its had on her. All have different and various physical, but its the mental, the anguish, of what were going through. And that in were going through. And that in itself is a support. If you have a, you know , the friends a, you know, the friends support, but also as mentioned that the red cross are there at the hearings and we can now go for counselling. And a lot of people i know , go for people i know, go for counselling and just, its the uncertainty of your future, and what its done to you, and if, if stability of your mind in way. Joan edgington, theyre one of the victims of the infected blood scandal. Well in other news, nhs staff will be told to work evenings and weekends under labours plans to slash waiting lists. Hospitals would be asked lists. Hospitals would be asked to share staff and to pool their waiting lists as part of a £1. 1 billion drive to provide an extra 40,000 appointments each week. Shadow Health Secretary wes streeting has also promised to protect whistleblowers and to cut the nhs reliance on Migrant Workers , £1. 1 billion paid for workers, £1. 1 billion paid for by clamping down on tax avoidance and also closing non dom loopholes as well. And that will enable to us put £1. 1 billion directly into the pockets of nhs staff to deliver those extra appointments at evenings and weekends , using at evenings and weekends, using an approach thats been tried and tested at the london hospital. I can literally see out of my Office Window in westminster and therefore an approach we need to see available to patients right across the country, not just in london. And that does come with a cost. And thats why weve made this commitment as our first step on the journey to busting the tory backlog and cutting nhs waiting lists. Cutting nhs waiting lists. In israel, a war cabinet minister has threatened to resign if the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu , doesnt Benjamin Netanyahu, doesnt adopt a new plan for gaza. Benny gantz has set a deadline of the 8th of june to get a plan in place that will achieve six strategic goals, including the end of hamas rule in gaza. It comes after the Israeli Military says it has recovered another body after the bodies of three other israeli hostages were recovered from gaza on friday. Israel says it believes 100 hostages are still alive there. Defence secretary grant shapps told us this morning that he is pleased that benny gantz has spoken out. It is vital , vital that for it is vital, vital that for israel, of course, for palestinians that there is a route in which they end up with a government which is which are not a bunch of terrorists, which is what hamas are. But people who can properly represent them. And israel needs to set that out, because there could be, if you put all of those pieces into place and combine it with normalisation of relations with saudi arabia , for example, saudi arabia, for example, a Better Future for that region, including for israel. So, yes, i do think its time to set that out. And we have been urging this step to take place. This step to take place. And finally, in sport, Manchester City are heading for a premier League Record fourth title in a row. Theyre two one up currently on the final day of the season against west ham. If the season against west ham. If city win, arsenal wont be able to finish above them and they are currently being held one all by everton. For the latest by everton. For the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts now, though. More from. Nana. More from. Nana. Good afternoon. This is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. Itsjust news on tv online and on digital radio. Its just coming news on tv online and on digital radio. Itsjust coming up news on tv online and on digital radio. Its just coming up to five minutes after 5 00. And for the next hour , me and my panel the next hour, me and my panel will be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree. But no one will be cancelled. Now coming up, my incredible guest every sunday at five, im joined by a celebrity or former mp or someone who has had an extremely interesting career to talk about. Life after the job. We talk highs, lows and Lessons Learned and what comes next on the outside today im joined by a member of the London Assembly whos dedicated to improving the lives of londoners and standing up against policies such as ulez, which she believes makes them worse off. Of course youve worked out who she is. Shes just come off a gruelling head to head battle with labours london mayor, sadiq khan. Obviously you know who she is. Obviously you know who she is. All will be revealed in a matter of moments. Its her first interview after that race. Then for the Great British debate this hour, im asking, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . Its as the met Police Protests . Its as the met police are coming under increasing pressure to take action, with the home office set to give them new powers. So for the great new powers. So for the Great British debate this hour, what do you think im asking . Is it time to shut these marches down . After all, as suella said, a lot of people believe they are hate marchers. Get in touch gb news. Com forward. Slash yourself. Com forward. Slash yourself. Right. So every sunday at five, im joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone whos had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. We talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. And this week my guest has been a dedicated Public Servant for years now. She started her journey in harrow as a councillor since 2006. Known for her leadership, she served as the head of the conservative group in harrow and led the council where she made significant strides in Freezing Council tax and investing in vital services. Shes also been on the London Assembly since 2017, and challenged london mayor sadiq khan in the recent mayoral election. Of course, youve got it. You have, havent you . Ifs youve got it. You have, havent you . Its the fabulous former conservative london mayoral candidate, susan hall. Hello, hello, nana. Hello, hello, nana. Its so good to have you on board because i wanted to talk to you in particular about what it was like as you went through that Mayoral Campaign, because there was so much out there, and it must have been so pressured. What was it like . What was it like . Sukh. Well, it had lots of different moments. I mean , one different moments. I mean, one of the best things was listening to, londoners and i spent a lot of time doing that. I was with of time doing that. I was with a very small group of people that were helping me, but they are such lovely people. They made it much, much easier for me, and of course, the problems that, all politicians have is the abuse they get for doing the job, as best as they can. So it had its moments. It had good moments , moments. It had good moments, and it had more difficult moments. As a person , the toll that it as a person, the toll that it took on you must have been quite intense , because i was i thought intense, because i was i thought youd be out there a lot, but for some reason you didnt seem to be out as much as i was expecting to see. Was there a reason for that . Do you mean on the media . Yes. No, i wasnt, i was spending most of my time talking to londoners, listening to what they were saying. And when i realised i wasnt going to win, i really felt for the people that had begged me to do what i could because of the ulez expansion. No body should impose a tax that will hit the poorest and most. Thats exactly what and most. Thats exactly what sadiq khan has done with ulez expansion. Expansion. But he would argue that he is creating a clean air environment for the people in both inner and outer london. I mean, thats his argument. Well, i would urge him to go and talk to those people that simply cannot afford to replace their cars and just dont know what theyre going to do. And i feel that ive let them down and im very sorry, because if theres one thing he should do is to put a stop to the ulez expansion, but he wont. Now, your campaign , there now, your campaign, there were controversial moments in the campaign. People talked about tweets that you liked and all this sort of thing did. Did you find that was sort of a distracting from the actual focus of what you could bring to london . Well, of course, and what weve got to look at is that labour will always immediately unterm any of their opponents as far right. They love to call all of us racist , far right. They love to call all of us racist, right, islamophobic, white supremacist, and of course, on that we can look at that dreadful tweet from wes streeting, which he put out the day before the election, and if you dont know somebody and youre thinking about voting and youre thinking about voting and you suddenly think this person has been called all these things , thats going to frighten you, youre not going to want that person. And this is exactly what labour do all the time. And they use hope not hate. As an organisation. Its supposed to be a charity and it does nothing but smear and demonise people. But smear and demonise people. If anybody looked into it doesnt touch anything to do with labour. Its always the conservatives that it has a go at, or anybody thats centre or right leaning, and they, i think theyve been given public money, but they, their chairman, we dont have evidence of that though. Well, their chairman is, is somebody that is on the National Executive of the labour party. So so i hope somebody does delve into it and have a look because the literature they were putting out against me was nothing but a disgrace. Well, let me for those who dont know what wes streeting said in his, on his twitter , he said in his, on his twitter, he said in his, on his twitter, he said a win for susan hall and the conservatives is a win for racists, White Supremacists and islamophobe the world over. Now thatis islamophobe the world over. Now that is our potential health minister, emily carver did challenge him this morning on it. And lets have a listen to what his reasoning was and how he got out of why he said those things. Things. Braverman wheres wheres your guilty of youre guilty of throwing mud just as much as the conservatives are. I mean, last time we spoke it was about about tweet. It was about that tweet to susan halls supporters, wasnt it . Wheres saying that a vote for susan hall at the labour mayoral elections was a vote for, you know, racists and islamophobes and all of this that was potentially tarnishing millions of voters in london who are just fed up of sadiq khans record on something. No. No. Absolutely not. In politics. Isnt it really big enough . Isnt it really big enough . No. Sadiq is big enough and ugly enough to take criticism. If people dont like him or dont like his policies, weve not. You know, well disagree on that. But thats totally legit. In a in a democracy , what sadiq in a in a democracy, what sadiq has faced, i think, is an unprecedented barrage of racism and prejudice. As the mayor of and prejudice. As the mayor of london, thats what i was calling out. And i dont think susan hall is racist. I dont think shes a white supremacist. Think shes a white supremacist. I dont think shes an islamophobe. So he called it totally legit for a democracy. Thats what hes saying. Yeah, i bet they wouldnt like it if we did it to them. And quite frankly, we wouldnt because we dont think that way. Because we dont think that way. We dont think of our labour colleagues as being scum. We colleagues as being scum. We dont think that way. But unfortunately they do. And its unfortunately they do. And its all very well for him to say im very glad he has said that because i had ive come in contact with him and i did like him so clearly the day before an election to do that. Its done for a reason. Its done to frighten people into thinking, oh my goodness, we dont want somebody or people like that. Well, i think a lot of it probably had the reverse effect of some people thinking, well, whoa, if thats what the labour party thinks, that thats Good Acceptable to put out there, then it isnt acceptable. I mean, i looked at that and thought if i did that and did Something Like that, im sure i would be in trouble. And if any of the people who work here said things like that, we would be in trouble for that. Thats not something that you should be able to get away with. But what effect did it have on you personally . Because i know you wrote a piece in the paper about the effect that you were afraid to go out because, well, youve got to remember that 6. 1 Million People saw that tweet and if they actually believed it, and 6. 1 million is a hell of a lot of people that have seen it, if any of them believe it. And im out and about in london all the time, or im on the underground a lot, you know , the underground a lot, you know, it does put people in danger and we should we should be far more responsible. And im afraid labour are not responsible at all when they throw these accusations at conservatives in particular, because who knows what will happen. And its not good enough. Quite frankly. Has he apologised to you personally for that . No, of course not. I dont see well hes doubled down on it. But even there he said that its totally legit in a democracy. For him to say that. Democracy. For him to say that. Yeah, well, we can all take a view about that. I dont think it is. Well, you know, i would urge you as if you are listening, well, you know, i would urge you as if you are listening , to you as if you are listening, to apologise directly to susan because that thats not acceptable. And actually its an inqu acceptable. And actually its an insult to the people who voted for you. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, its calling us all White Supremacists and all that kind of thing, which what happened with lee anderson when he talked about sadiq khan, he was in trouble. He lost the whip and hes no longer representing the conservative party. So, suzanne, what happens now . Youve been through the mayoral race. You didnt win. There was race. You didnt win. There was a moment where we thought you might win. Yeah but you sadly didnt win. Obviously, a lot of londoners were disappointed by that. What happens now . Well , im a that. What happens now . Well, im a im a conservative through and through. I shall continue to fight for the conservatives in the general election. I think many people need to be a bit concerned because i think sadiq khan and, keir starmer are looking at london and looking at the way that sadiq khan is raising money in london. The ulez expansion has brought him in eye watering sums of money, clearly pay per mile was on his agenda. Theres no question about that. Thankfully. I hope my campaign has made him at least stall it. But keir starmer will be looking at that because i think theres Something Like £28 billion unaccounted for in his pledges. So hell be looking to how he can make more money from from people in the country, basically a tax in order to fund his pledges. And i would say be his pledges. And i would say be careful, hes war on the motorist. Will be coming next, and it will be coming for people that drive and when you look at the pay per mile, i suspect we will have to be looking at that. If labour win the next election, then look out all of you, because war on the motorists will continue. Will continue. Well, well, he said that hes not going to do pay per mile. He sort of turned, said, sort of reversed his decision and said hes not going to. And this was before the Mayoral Campaign, sadiq khan said during the Mayoral Campaign that he wasnt having spent over , 20, £20 having spent over, 20, £20 million. I think it was. On million. I think it was. On looking at the research into it, its in his it was in his strategy. Its all over the place and there are people working on it now. So you know, he says hes not going to do something he never said he was going to bring in the ulez expansion. In fact, he said he wasnt going to. And look what happened there. So i think we need to be careful. And i think the country needs to be careful because the war on the motorists will continue , because somebody will continue, because somebody has got to fund that great big hole , £28 billion hole in keir hole, £28 billion hole in Keir Starmers pledges, because im not seeing the development of development of what is needed if we are to go forward with electric cars because in london i dont see much infrastructure going in. Are there plans for infrastructure within london for this . If theyre trying to push us all into this direction, theres nowhere near enough infrastructure. I know so many people that were going to buy electric and arent now, and so and i believe the, the demand for electric cars is going down. Thats what i read somewhere, no , were just i read somewhere, no, were just not ready for it. Does seem a bit odd that theyd want to advocate for that, because that means they need places where you can park to charge the car. London is very short on space, so in order to charge a car, you need a cars length to sit in a charter. And london does not have that kind of infrastructure. Well thats right. And its worse than that because in sadiq khans london plan, which is what i was going to change, it actually stops car Parking Spaces where youve got flats and things like that. So people in flats, how on earth do they get their cars recharged . If it wont work at the moment . And also, once everybody has a car that no longer is no longer falls within the charge of ulez. So if your car is of ulez. So if your car is completely compliant, which in time every car will be, especially with the scrappage scheme, what will be the point of those cameras . And thats well, its pay per mile. Thats what its as obvious to all of us. But as i say, i think were the test bed in london. I think the test bed to see how these things work, so that if keir starmer does come into power, that everybody can expect that throughout the country. And finally, knife crime, a big a big problem in london. Oh, shocking. And the metropolitan shocking. And the metropolitan police, it doesnt feel, that anything is happening. What is happening with regard to knife crime . Crime . Well, we all see it most days. We said it is shocking, which is why people said, oh, the main thrust of your campaign was the ulez expansion. It wasnt because that would have been stopped on day one. The main thrust of my campaign was around policing. I am passionate about policing. We need to get more police on the streets. Therefore they need to be based back where the community theyre policing are. And thats why i was going to put in two more bases in each borough so that the police can be stationed near the police can be stationed near the communities that theyre serving. That would really help with stopping things like knife crime, because people get the Different Police officers get to know the community, and they know the community, and they know pretty quick where there are issues in different communities. And finally, that speech at the end, when i thought you were quite gracious towards sadiq khan, you said youre going to hold him to account when he he won that. Youve got a lot of flak for that. People saying that you were having a go at him , even though you should have been saying other things. What was your thoughts on the day . And then that handshake. There was the handshake. People were saying that you offered his hand and he ignored you. Was that what happened whilst you were there . Because thats what it looked like. Yep. To me, thats what it felt like. But youd have to ask him that. Yes. When . When he was announced. Yeah. I wanted to congratulate him. I was standing next to him and the speech was. Yes, i will be continuing to hold you to account because londoners deserve that. And thats what. And i asked him to do better because knife crime is absolutely shocking. Its going through the roof. You know, all those mothers that know their kids are involved in gangs are frightened of them going out. Of course they are. And we need to be dealing with it. And were not. Im afraid. But you will. You are still in the London Assembly. You are still working hard, holding him to account. And are you likely to account. And are you likely to go back again and try again to go back again and try again to be, oh gosh, you have to jump through so many hoops before youre selected. So it would not be my it would not might be my decision. All right. Well suzanne hall, thank you very much for giving me your first interview. After that mayoral race. Thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Thatis thank you, thank you very much. That is conservative london mayoral candidate susan hall. Shes also a councillor. Well, what do you think . Gbnews. Com win your say . Wed like to get all your thoughts on everything were talking about, coming up though. Lots still to come, the mini debate whether the tories were wrong to oust bons the tories were wrong to oust Boris Johnson, former chancellor and ezedi zahawi seems to think so. But next, the Great British debate this hour. Im asking, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests this is gb news. Hello. Good afternoon. If youre just tuned in. Where have you been . Its fine. Its 24 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua, and its time for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests 7 shut down pro palestine protests . After months of marches every weekend, shutting down our capital city and across the country as well , the country as well, the metropolitan police are now coming under increasing pressure to get a grip. Its as the home office is set to give them new powers to take back control of our streets. What do you think . Our streets. What do you think . Is this an assault on freedom of speech . So, for the great speech . So, for the Great British debate this hour, im asking, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . Well, joining me now, former editor of the labourlist, Peter Edwards, former London Police officer and director of law and order foundation, norman brennan, and also broadcaster Christine Hamilton and alongside her husband, former ukip leader neil hamilton. Hello, guys. Right, hamilton. Hello, guys. Right, lovely to see you, christine. Thank you for joining lovely to see you, christine. Thank you forjoining me. Shes thank you for joining me. Shes great, isnt she . Christine. Shes a bastion. Shes there working to make sure shes on with me. Lovely. Right. Lets start with you, norman brennan, weve had them every single weekend. Were sick and tired of weekend. Were sick and tired of them. Theyve been all over the country, and in particular, theyve. Every weekend in london, things are shutting down. Jewish people cant go out in the streets. Is it time to sort of ban or shut down some of these, these pro palestine protests . Protests . Absolutely, im sick and tired of it. The absolutely, im sick and tired of it. The public are sick and tired. It victims of crime are sick and tired of it, thousands of Police Officers, every, every week, are leaving their police stations and divisions, to attend these protests that theyve made their point. Theyve said what they needed to say , and sadly, the public to say, and sadly, the public and the victims and the Retail Industry are not seeing Police Officers on the street. Police officers are sick and tired of being faced with angry, violent, horrible people abusing them. And theyre only theyre doing their job. And the reason why i want to see them back on their streets now is this is 2. 5 hours ago, i wasnt a bad looking guy here. Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Thats the eye there. Thats the eye there. Yeah. I went to buy some chicken at waitrose , there was a chicken at waitrose, there was a prolific shoplifter that last week put a bottle across the head of a security guard. Head of a security guard. Today, i happen to be in the store. I nicked him, he gave me a right hander. I was out on the deck, got up , and i nicked him. And the point im making is this is. Thats where the public want to see the Police Walking the streets, listening to their concerns , dealing with crime and concerns, dealing with crime and reassuring shoplifters. It shouldnt be down to people like me. Retired Police Officers , retired Police Officers, members of the public actually doing the job of the police. Doing the job of the police. And im still one of their family. So my point is, enoughs enough. Stop your shouting. Stop your shouting. Youre demonstrating your anger ness and allow the police to get out and do the jobs that they join the job to do, and they join the job to do, and they really want to do, rather than every week having their leave cancelled just to stand there to get abused, by often tens of thousands of these angry demonstrators. Okay. Im sorry to hear about your face, norman. Sorry about that. But well done in what you did. Like Peter Edwards. Is it time to shut down this woman . Look, i know freedom of speech and all, but its within the bounds. First of all, im very sorry to hear that, norman, was attacked while trying to apprehend a shoplifter. Very unpleasant. Well, the police were elsewhere, isnt it . Probably. Thats why, in terms of palestine process. Yeah peaceful process is a part of democracy. My concern is perhaps the police have been a bit slow to clamp down on anti semitic chanting. And im really, really worried, as im sure you are , about jews as im sure you are, about jews in london saying they feel parts of the capital have become no go areas. Im not an expert on the law about this. A proposal to have the law changed from the campaign against anti semitism. Campaign against anti semitism. But police are making very difficult, nuanced, operational decisions, and i think they could have been a bit tougher from the start for example, some of the slogans, particularly anti semitic slogans , are anti semitic slogans, are completely unacceptable. But weve got to be clear, thats not 100 of the protesters, but nothing is 100. I mean, if youre in association with something that is bad and vile, just because youre not one of the bad and vile people, youre the fact that youre associated with it means that you become one of the bad and vile people. I think its a bit more complex than that. I mean, i dont think so. Its a protest and there are some bad people on this protest. Several thousand people have taken part in these over many, many weekends, ranging from pacifistes to, left wing activists, people who arent politically aligned. I believe some quakers as well. We can all be anxious and horrified about anti semitism, but recognise that people protesting is not just one lump of people. They come from different walks of life with different. Well, they might do, but if you are joining a protest, this is not like saying, oh, black people, we dont all think the same thing and do this. This is people whove got together on one aim, which is within a protest, and they are showing their virtue there. Lets go to neil and Christine Hamilton, neil. Christine, what do you make of this . Is it time for them to shut down . Because people will go on about freedom of speech, freedom of speech. But we are within a democracy and it does have limits. Yeah, well, freedom of speech is all well and good, but what were seeing on our streets is actually now amounting, i think, to a public nuisance. And as you rightly said in your introduction, we cannot have the centre of our capital city week in and week out, brought to a standstill by the agitprop organisers of these marches. I dont think peter would like it if there was a demonstration outside his house every saturday, so that he couldnt go about his lawful business, going into and out of his house. And this is just Something Like that writ large over the whole of our capital city. So its got to be a question of proportion. Each thing can have their demonstrations, but not absolutely every week and not in such numbers. The numbers themselves, i think, are intimidating. And thats why lots of jewish people will not now go into the centre of london on a saturday. And i think thats disgraceful. State of affairs. Christine. Christine. Christine. Well, i would like i mean, of course they should be stopped , course they should be stopped, and any right has a concomitant responsibility and the responsibility and the responsibility to allow other londoners to do their business, etc. But i want to widen this slightly and take people back to how this all began on the 7th of october, when hamas raided that peace loving music festival, and in particular, and i posted this on twitter a couple of hours ago. There is a horrendous video of a young girl called naama levy, who was grabbed by hamas. She was raped. She had her heels slashed so that she couldnt run away. She was handcuffed and the video shows her being bundled into a truck and driven away. She has now been a hostage for 225 days. She may be dead. That is how it all started. That is how it all started. Why arent these people in london shouting free the hostages, free the hostages . Lets go back to the beginning and lets start at the beginning and lets start at the beginning and free the hostages. Yes, of course, weve all had enough of these marches. It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous. And its cocking a snook at normal, decent londoners. Yes, some of the people on the marches are normal, decent londoners. But by joining that march , but by joining that march, they join the other side. Exactly. Yeah. Please. Exactly. Yeah. Please. Norman. Yeah. Norman norman. No no. Yeah. No no no no no i have absolutely no problems with people protesting for what they want. Want. Im britains leading knife campaigner, and i see the devastation of knife day in and day out. Parents planning funerals instead of futures. I cannot go on the streets of london and break the law and abuse the police and deface, the caphal abuse the police and deface, the capital. Establishments such as churches and banks. What i have churches and banks. What i have to do is do it the legal way and the right way. And what i want is these Police Officers to get back on the beat, get away from these demonstrations, and do the job that you and i and the pubuc job that you and i and the public expect and pay them to do. And let me tell you this, thats exactly what they want to do. So the longer theyre there, theyre accused of two tier policing, not caring enough, not going in strong enough. But what the public just want is they want their police back on the streets. And if the police get back on their streets, nana, theyll start falling back in love with the police. Theyll start supporting them and being reassured. Thats what the pubuc reassured. Thats what the public want. These demonstrations. Youve said your piece now get back to where you are and let the police get back to where they were. Okay, so, so then one word answer. Then. Is it time then to stop these pro palestine protests . Neil hamilton yes or no . Absolutely yes. Christine hamilton yes or no . Yes and the police want to get back to serving all londoners, not just these protesters. No. No. Norman brennan, yes or no . Norman brennan, yes or no . Yes. Three words. Yes. Enough is enough. Yeah. Enough is enough. Yeah. And, Peter Edwards is it time to stop these pro palestine . In a word. But i want to see tougher policing and i want to see tougher action on anti semitism. And i certainly dont want to see people salting. Is that yes or no . Is it time to stop them . Yes or no . Id rather see them policed in a stronger way. So no is the answer. An outright ban is not the answer. So no is the answer. Is that yeah, but ill choose to use my word. You just said yes. No. Well, im asking you yes or no . Im asking for a decision. Yes or no . An outright ban is not the answer. So that would be a no. Ill choose to use my own words. That would be a no. Ill choose to use my own words. So thats a no. All right. Thank you very much Peter Edwards norman brennan, also the lovely Christine Hamilton. And also her husband, neil hamilton. Thank you for joining husband, neil hamilton. Thank you forjoining me. Right. So what do you think is it time to ban pro palestine protests . Yes or no . Its as simple as that. Right. Well continue with the Great British debate this hour. Youll hear the thoughts of my panel youll hear the thoughts of my panel, nigel nelson and danny kelly. But first, lets get your latest News Headlines with sam francis. Very good evening to you. Very good evening to you. Its just after 530. The headunes its just after 530. The headlines this hour , a headlines this hour, a helicopter carrying the iranian president and his foreign minister has crashed as it was crossing a mountainous region in the north of the country. The aircraft suffered whats been described as a hard landing while returning from a visit to neighbouring azerbaijan. 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Welcome its 41 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Were live on tv, onune channel. Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. And its online and on digital radio. And wsfime online and on digital radio. And its time for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking , is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . After pro palestine protests . After months of marches, theyve been shutting down the capital and other cities across the country. The metropolitan police in particular in london, are now coming under increasing pressure to get a grip and its all of this as the home office is set to give them a new powers to take back control of our streets, which i suspect these rules will cover the rest of the country as well. So for the Great British debate, this out, im asking, is it now time to shut down these pro palestine protests . Well, joining me now, gb news political commentator nigel nelson, also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. Theyre back. Nigel nelson, is theyre back. Nigel nelson, is it time to shut these things down, for gods sake . Down, for gods sake . And i think you only shut down a protest if there is a threat to Public Safety. So this isnt a threat to pubuc so this isnt a threat to Public Safety . No, its not really. Theyre not rioting. Well, youre not jewish, are you, no. I mean, i appreciate you, no. I mean, i appreciate that that jews have found it difficult to be in Central London when these protests have been going on. Well, weve seen what happens when some of them do go there. Well, weve seen weve seen one, one incident. No, ive seen a lot more than that. No. Okay. The whole thing is that if somebody is behaving anti semitic or supporting terrorism, they should be arrested. And as far as i can arrested. And as far as i can see, the police are arresting them. What these things are not turning into is what you would call. Well, not a riot. A riot would be a threat to the public, and they havent actually turned into that. So this is the right to free speech. Not now. Not now. Youre denying and im going to speak generally, but these protests are denying everyday londoners the opportunity just to go about their lives as they normally would do on a saturday. That was the strikers or any protesters, doesnt it . Yeah, but its been going on and on and on. It shows the war. It shows the war. Yeah, but its the futility of it as well. Do you honestly think that protesting every saturday is going to change any government policy that israel dishes out . Its the futility of dishes out . Its the futility of it, and its the fact that its disrupting londoners lives. Now, i agree with you. Everyone should be allowed to protest. I think just bang them in regents park. Have you protest in the park . Do what the hell you want. Park . Do what the hell you want. Youre not going to disrupt thousands and thousands of people. And also it is a hostile environment for jews. And the pro Palestinian People will say, hang on, weve got weve got a load of jews with placards ourselves , you know, theyre on ourselves, you know, theyre on ourselves, you know, theyre on our side. And to them theyre just useful jews. Just useful jews. Yeah. Well, i mean, all i can say, say is that people must have a right to protest. What about the right just to go about your daily routine on june the 1st, Tommy Robinson has been given a permission by the metropolitan police to hold a protest that will start in victoria and end for one day in parliament for one day. Its not every weekend, not recurring saturday. Listen, whats the problem . I actually like your suggestion that if they want to carry on recurring these protests, they can go to somewhere like a park, which is not fair for the people who would like to enjoy the park. But at least theyre contained and businesses can get on with things. And then i think they should be charged. There should be a fee for them to be doing that. They should maybe have wristbands or something. They should all be charged at least £5 or something to even be there , because otherwise charge people. I think you can. I think you can. Thats ridiculous. No, i think you can. This is a democracy and people must have the right to protest. Youve got the right to protest. But the bottom line is, whoever they are, youve got the right to protest because you do pay right to protest because you do pay for it. Youre going to have to pay for the Police Protection for your protest. And thats what this would be about, because we cannot continue to stunt what is it, 20 million or whatever it is every weekend for this thing to go on . Yeah, but but the but you didnt have to do that for every protest, wouldnt you . Yeah. Whats the problem . Yeah. Whats the problem . The problem is we live in democracy. Youre youre getting confused with living in a democracy and being charged for the policing that you will require. Policing is part of that democracy. Yes. If there is a demonstration going on the police have a duty then to police have a duty then to police it at public expense. Well, yes, at public expense. The Public People who are at the protest, because they also have a job to look after people all across the country every saturday. So can you tell me of another protest that is a recurring feature . Its recurring. You need to start paying for protection. My point there is that the war has been going on. I mean, in the event the war had ended, can these protests would stop . No, danny, but can i just remind you that in football . Yeah, yeah, the clubs pay for it. Exactly. Yeah. Thats right. Theyre paid for by the club. Yeah, exactly. Exactly so thats not a ridiculous idea at all. No, but thats not to pay fiver. Ipsis. Ipsis. No, no, im saying they should pay for the protest. This shows nothing without you and your views. Lets welcome some of our Great British voices. Their opportunity to be on the show. Tell us what they really think about the topics were discussing. Ive got four of you, so i need to be swift, right . Lee webb in bedfordshire, what do you think . Is it time to put an end to these protests . I totally disagree with, why theyre protesting, but i think youve got to have that right to protest. I think thats very important basis. I protested before i was protesting four years ago against lockdowns, so what protest would you like to keep . What protests do you want to ban . So thats why weve got to ban . So thats why weve got to ban . So thats why weve got to protect the right to protest. Well, doesnt it depend if its every single week and youre costing the taxpayer a lot of money . I mean, for goodness sake, theres got to be a line. You cant just protest forever. Brian dougans. Well, i mean, as someone has said, the war is still going on. Its your chief correspondent , i believe, whosjust its your chief correspondent , i believe, whos just pointed that out. Thats why people are protesting. Nana so its not like theyre, that this is just in a vacuum, and theyre just protesting for the sake of the war is still going on. Thats what theyre protesting against. Yeah, yeah, we get it. Yeah, yeah, we get it. And we cant get into a point of, pick and choose whereby some, some marches are allowed to protest and some, some arent , to protest and some, some arent i , to protest and some, some arent , i mean, this is we do have the right to protest and theyre exercising that. Right. Right. And i dont see anything wrong with it. Unless, of course, unless of course, youre jewish and you happen to want to. Well, you happen to want to. Well, you happen to want to. Well, you happen to live in that area that there are jews taking part in there are jews taking part in the march. And dannys comment about useless, useful jews was out of order. Do you think so , maybe i do. Do you think so, maybe i do. You think thats out of order . Okay, danny, youve been. Youve been told off. Dan. Brian. I disagree with him. I disagree with him. Dan. Brian in hull. Dan. Brian in hull. Hello. I think the government would like Nothing Better than to be able to shut down protests in this country. Any protests, its what theyre aiming for. They also want to digital id everybody so they can see track. Everybodys movements. Theyre using this kind of thing. They will use this kind of thing to bnng will use this kind of thing to bring this in because well all want it. But i agree with the sentiment that no protests should be shut down, really, even though i disagree with them completely , its only when it completely, its only when it starts to threaten violence. Starts to threaten violence. Like if theyre threatening jihad or something, then thats when the police should really step in and control it. But i like your idea of them having a separate area for them to go to do it. Thats a good idea. Separate area, and potentially the people who are organising it should pay for it. Somebody should pay for this and it shouldnt be the taxpayer. Finally, to you, john, read briefly. Yes. Nana briefly. Read briefly. Yes. Nana briefly. Im with nigel on this. I think you and danny are bullying him a bit. We live in a democracy. The democracy allows people to have free speech. And thats what ive had all my life. So im 100 with allowing it to continue with the one proviso thatis to continue with the one proviso that is done legally. Thats all. Okay thats all. Okay well, thank you very much. Lee webb, brian dugan, dan, bnan lee webb, brian dugan, dan, brian and john reid and yes, of course, apologies to anyone who was offended by dannys comment regarding the i think, you know, ihear regarding the i think, you know, i hear what he means by that. But coming up with the debate, ex chancellor Nadhim Zahawi said that the tory party were wrong to oust Boris Johnson. Dont go good afternoon. This is gb news. Its time now for supplements sunday, where i asked my panel some of the other stories that caught their eye. But before i do that, what Nadhim Zahawi said that it was a mistake to get boris. Get rid of boris. Was he right. I think he was wrong that bons right. I think he was wrong that boris was his history. Now, theres no question about in coming back and he made so many mistakes towards the end of his premiership. He had to go. Danny kelly a massive mistake. Of course it was. Yeah. Mistake. Of course it was. Yeah. I mean i said that at the start, like turkeys voting for christmas. You know, all of the conservative mps ganging up on him because they were corralled into a corner, backed into a corner saying, how can you morally support this guy . Oh, i see what you mean. I cant get him out. I know it was silly. All right, danny, your supplement time supplement. Right then. Wish you were here. The taliban no less. I may have to just nip off to the high street in birmingham and get a burka for mrs. Kelly. Wish you were here. The taliban have launched afghanistan as a houday launched afghanistan as a holiday destination. Do you fancy . You fancy a trip to kabul . I think well take the wives. Ive been to kabul, and i dont think i want to go back there again. No. Do you fancy a getaway . Do you fancy a getaway . No. No. Thank you. In kabul, we can go along anyway. The taliban have launched it, with men getting trained up in hospitality. Not women, of course. Theyre not going to course. Theyre not going to allow the women to get involved with it anyway. Its a its a fun little story. Go to kabul for a fortnight. Nigel nelson. Nigel nelson. Its the full english, are making a comeback. So this is making a comeback. So this is from the english breakfast society. And what theyre saying is that the traditional full engush is that the traditional full english breakfast is now very popular abroad. Their website now gets a third of hits from from other countries. So fry up. What we need now is for america to get decent british bacon. And my one here was this interesting story about barista wigs. And apparently theyre culturally insensitive. Theyre culturally insensitive. Theyre going to get rid of that. I think theres some because, you know, people with afro hair, you know, people with afro hair, you know, would struggle to get the wig on. And its a white wig, isnt it. Its a white wig as well. Horse hair. I was going to say horse. Yeah. Old nag hair. Yeah. Old nag hair. Its an old tradition and i rather, i rather like some of my traditions. I think you should keep them anyway. Well, lets see what you thought of that. Get in touch. But on todays show, ive been asking, would you trust labour with the nhs . And according to our twitter poll, 13 of you say yes. 87 of you say no. And also i asked you, is it time to shut down pro palestine protests . 91 of you are with me. Say yes, 9 of you are with me. Say yes, 9 of you are with me. Say yes, 9 of you say no. Exactly. My sentiments. Right. Well, listen, sentiments. Right. Well, listen, thank you so much to my guests. Senior gb news political commentator nigel nelson. Nigel, thank you very much. And also thank you very much. And also broadcaster and journalist, danny kelly. Danny kelly, thank you so much as well. Thank you very much. And a huge thank you to you at home for your company for joining me. Next up its forjoining me. Next up its neil oliver. Ill see you next week. Same time same place. Dont forget you can download the gb news app or why not stream the show live on youtube . Ill leave you with the weather. Have a fabulous week. Take care glory. Glory. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers. Sponsors of weather on gb news news. Hello welcome to your gb news weather update from the met office for the rest of today. Weve still got some warm sunshine on offer. The risk of the odd shower but feeling cooler. In the east weve got a ridge of High Pressure extending out towards the west thats bringing in the settled conditions through much of today with light winds, as indicated by the isobars. Otherwise, plenty of late evening sunshine on offer today. Any showers across southwestern parts of scotland and cumbria fading away into the evening. Otherwise weve got a return of low cloud coming in from the north sea and pushing its way further towards the west. Clearer skies are further the west you go, but low cloud, mist and fog perhaps developing across Northern Ireland. Temperatures around 10 or 11 but feeling cooler underneath the clearer skies. So quite a murky start on monday morning, especially further east that you go so across scotland , that you go so across scotland, northeastern coast as well, holding a lot of low cloud, mist and fog. But further the west, bright skies to start the day. Northern ireland like i said, some low cloud , mist and fog some low cloud, mist and fog should lift and break and then low cloud really lingering across a part of the southeast. Across a part of the southeast. Brighter skies further to the west you go and dry to so through the rest of monday morning, low cloud, mist and fog should start lifting, breaking and burning its way back to coastline might be a little bit slower than what weve seen on tuesday for today, but otherwise plenty of sunny spells on offer. The risk of some heavy showers, especially across western parts of Northern Ireland. Elsewhere feeling perhaps a little bit cooler than what we saw on the weekend. But otherwise its still feeling warm in the sunshine as we go through the rest of monday evening. Any cloud generally breaking away. Still, with the risk of some heavy showers across western parts of Northern Ireland and perhaps developing across the south two otherwise tuesday, wednesday and thursday turning unsettled, showers or perhaps some longer spells of rain. Some longer spells of rain. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Sponsors of boxt boilers. Sponsors of weather on good evening, fellow travellers. Welcome to the neil oliver show on gb news tv online and on your radio sets. This week ill be taking a look at the scottish covid 19 inquiry and asking what is actually being revealed there. Ill also be talking to a lady whose brother died during the pandemic, and who has given evidence as part of the inquiry. On monday , a final high court on monday, a final High Court Judgement takes place regarding juuan judgement takes place regarding Julian Assanges appeal. Will he be extradited to the us . All of that, plus plenty of discussion and opinion from my panellist, journalist and presenter jasmine birtles. But first of all, an update on the News Headlines. Update on the News Headlines. Very good evening to you. Very good evening to you. Its just after 6 00. Im sam francis, the latest from the newsroom this hour