Criticise. Which is it . Your thoughts . And if there was ever to be another pandemic , who to be another pandemic, who should decide the way that your life is impacted as a result . Should it be us, our government here in the uk, or an unelected bodyin here in the uk, or an unelected body in geneva . The World Health Organisation . There are plans for it to be the latter and i can tell you as a result, there are very loud demands that its time for us to take back control also as well. Do you think that there should be a published list of how much crime migrants are are committing, broken down by their asylum status and their country . That is what some mps are calling. For. Indeed, ive are calling. For. Indeed, ive got all of that and more coming up. But before we get stuck in, lets cross live for tonights latest news headlines. Latest news headlines. Michelle. Thank you. Im Tamsin Roberts in the gb newsroom. Here are the top stories. Rishi sunak has warned that giving sir keir starmer the keys to number 10 would leave the country less safe. The labour leader rejected the Prime Ministers claim, saying that as a former director of public prosecutions, he knows the importance of Security First hand. But rishi sunak says only the conservatives have bold ideas for the future. Despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future , labour have almost the future, labour have almost nothing to say about it. No nothing to say about it. No plans for our border, no plans for our energy security, no plans for our economy either. And no principles either. Keir starmer has gone from embracing Jeremy Corbyn to Natalie Elphicke all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. So labour have no ideas what they did have. Theyve u turned on. The Health Secretary has defended the governments record on Maternity Care after a major new report revealed endemic failures at hospitals. It found mums to be are often treated as an inconvenience, with some women mocked or shouted at and denied basic needs such as pain relief. The birth trauma inquiry is calling for a National Plan to improve services, led by a new maternity commissioner, who would report directly to the Prime Minister. But Health Secretary victoria atkins says the government is moving to ensure Vulnerable Women are supported. And we know that there are some parts of the country that are doing this really well, but there are other parts that need to catch up and so what we are doing now through our maternity programmes is ensuring that, for example, the most Vulnerable Women who perhaps are living with Mental Health conditions at the moment, who then become pregnant, that we are building a network of support around them to support them through pregnancy and indeed beyond pregnancy and indeed beyond pregnancy when they have their newborn baby, because we know that that can be a factor, for example, that has such an impact on their wellbeing and the wellbeing of their babies. Wellbeing of their babies. To the us now. And Donald Trumps former lawyer Michael Cohen , has taken the witness cohen, has taken the witness stand at his criminal trial. He told jurors today he secretly colluded with mr trump and a tabloid publisher to suppress negative stories that could damage trumps 2016 campaign. Mr cohen used to be one of the former president s most trusted colleagues , but hes now the colleagues, but hes now the prosecutions star witness as the so called hush money trial enters its fifth week and a new poll is giving donald trump a lead in five key states the cost of living and the war in gaza are said to have driven down support for President Biden in key states, including michigan, nevada and pennsylvania. The nevada and pennsylvania. The survey by the new york times, Siena College and the Philadelphia Inquirer found the president now leads in just one battleground state wisconsin. A battleground state wisconsin. A teacher accused of having intimate relationships with teenage boys says she craved attention after a break up, but denies the allegations against her. Rebecca jones told a court she struggled following the breakdown of a nine year relationship and during the covid lockdowns. The 30 year old covid lockdowns. The 30 year old was already suspended from her high school job and on bail when shes alleged to have engaged in sexual contact with another boy. She pleaded not guilty to six charges. Her trial at Manchester Crown court is continuing. A man crown court is continuing. A man is facing life in prison for murdering a woman during a series of Violent Attacks in south london, 34 year old mohamed nur was armed with a makeshift blade when he attacked johannetta cote divoire dogbe in broad daylight last may. He admitted her murder and to having a blade made from scissors, but denied carrying out similar attacks. In the days before her death. Three men have before her death. Three men have appeared in court accused of assisting the hong kong intelligence service. It follows intelligence service. It follows an investigation led by officers from the Counter Terrorism command, where 11 people were detained. The men, aged 37, 38 and 63, will appear at the old bailey on the 24th of may. The king has officially handed over the role of colonel in chief of the role of colonel in chief of the Army Air Corps to the prince of wales, in a rare engagement involving both the current monarch and his heir, his majesty formally handed over the title hes held for the past 32 years. The king said it was a great joy to meet servicemen dunng great joy to meet servicemen during todays visit to Middle Wallop in hampshire. Prince william will now represent the armies air wing, which includes the unit once served in by his brother. Those are the top stories, and for all the latest, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. Or you can go to gb news common herts. Now its back to. Michelle. Thanks very much for that. Thanks very much for that. Im Michelle Dewberry and im keeping you company till 7 00 tonight alongside me ive got the tory life peer in the house of lords, Daniel Moylan and the political commentator joe phillips. Good evening to both of you. Good evening. Im going to start a new campaign to always try and feature at least one positive news story in this programme. Great. Yeah. Where is programme. Great. Yeah. Where is it . Well, ive only just, conceived this idea when i was listening to those headlines and thinking through my list for tonight. So, has anyone got any good news stories . Have you got anything you want to share with the nation . I think id have needed a bit more notice. Well, continuity. Come on. Well, continuity. Come on. Lovely. Have you got any good news stories . No not really. Not really. The weather just says they go. Thats joes nomination. The weathers been very good. Ive been out. Trying to find caterpillars to care for, to help move them into butterflies. That, sir, is the extent of my social life these days. No, theyre not in a jar. Theyre in like, like a bigger container. Like an old margarine tub. Oh, like an old margarine tub. Oh, lovely. If you know what i mean. Does anyone know what i mean . Yeah. Old margarine dont have leaves and things. Theyve got it all going on. Oh, we dont hold back in my household, i could tell you, but there you go. I want positivity, everybody. If youve seen anything, if you come across anything, if you come across anything, get in touch with me. Because theres so much doom and gloom going on in society at the moment, isnt there . Im fed up with it. Get in touch with me all the usual ways. There you lot cheer me up. No end gb views gbnews. Com is how you email me. Of course you can go on to the website gbnews. Com slash your sale, or you can talk to me and yourselves and each other, as many of you are currently doing right now. And of course, you can tweet or text me, but the good news doesnt start yet, though, because rishi sunak gave another speech earlier today. Did you see it, many people saying actually that it was the start of his election campaign, that thats how it felt. To many, ive got to say, the overwhelm , calming kind of topic overwhelm, calming kind of topic of conversation was all about defence. And it was a lot along the lines of daniel that he was saying things like, the next five years is going to be kind of more change defining, etc. Than the past 30 years. He was speaking a lot about the fact that youve seen the likes of china and russia joining up to potentially, pose a threat. He talked a lot about the need for defence and nuclear and all the rest of it. Is defence and nuclear and all the rest of it. Is he trying to terrify us into voting tory, do you think . You think . Well, i think hed like us to vote conservative, obviously. And thats what the leader of the conservative party does. But i dont think hes unduly terrifying people. I think things have changed dramatically early in the last few years, and the aggressive states , the ones the aggressive states, the ones that look to invade their neighbours and take territory simply through warfare, are ganging up together, and they are not on our side. And i think we have to be aware of that. Thats a big change from where things were, as he says, 20 or 30 years ago, after the fall of the iron curtain and so forth, we looked like we were set for a penod we looked like we were set for a period of peace and calm, bolstered by trade and mutual prosperity. Things have gone badly wrong in the last few years, and theyve gone against us. And i think the consequence of that is that we will have to end up spending more money on defence, and we will have to be more alert and work closely, more alert and work closely, more closely with our allies and actually try to make sure that we come through this two point spending more 2. 5 of gdp by 2030, of course, is one of the tories core pledges. He reckons its going to make savings and cuts to the Civil Service to try and fund that. But he was also rishi sunak today, talking quite tough about , keir starmer and about how he would approach things. Listen despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future, labour have almost nothing to say about it. No plans for our border, no plans for our energy security, no plans for our economy either, and no principles either. Keir starmer has gone from embracing Jeremy Corbyn to Natalie Elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. Pursuit of power at any price. So labour have no ideas what they did have. They view turned on . Is that fair, joe . Is that fair, joe . No. I think its is that fair, joe . No. I think its a is that fair, joe . No. I think its a real no. I think its a real shame, actually, that a topic thatis shame, actually, that a topic that is very serious and i completely agree with daniel and i agree with some of the things that the Prime Minister said. You know, we are living in a world that is changing very quickly. And, you know, weve got china, weve got iran, weve got china, weve got iran, weve got north korea, weve got all sorts of things going on. And i think old alliances have gone. Weve also got one of the biggest threats that is not traditional warfare. Its the traditional warfare. Its the warfare of fake news and misinformation, which is being manipulated by, less friendly nafion manipulated by, less friendly nation states, shall we say. But i think its a real shame that rishi sunak, in trying to look like a statesman and a world leader, then ended up turning it into a rather silly sniping, at at keir starmer and the labour party. And when he says there theyve had 14 years to think about it and theyve come up with something. Well, the obvious answer to that is, well, hes had 14 years or the tories have had 14 years and hes coming up with a bold plan. Hes in danger of sounding like baldrick from blackadder, is he . Well, no, i think its a fair, fair challenge to the labour party. Were now within, a few months , very few months of a few months, very few months of an election. In fact, it was possible we could be in an election period now because there was talk of having a spnng there was talk of having a spring or summer early summer election. And the labour party election. And the labour party has told us almost nothing about what their policies are. If they come into government and theyre going to have to do this at some point, they and they cant keep running away and not telling us what theyre going to do. There what theyre going to do. There are a few small policies that have come out, like putting vat on private schools, which is just purely vindictive, and you know, is virtue signalling in a way. Its not going to make any difference to the vast majority of people, except that theyll have more people, more pupils trying to crowd into their schools, but , but but we trying to crowd into their schools, but, but but we just dont know what theyre going to do. And thats a deliberate policy by the labour party. Its what they call their ming vase policy of walking, you know, without without dropping across a polished floor, without dropping the ming vase by actually having any policies. Actually having any policies. But theyre going to have to have some policies. And the point about keir starmer, remember keir starmer, the leader of the campaign for a second referendum, the great, the great support of Jeremy Corbyn and now Natalie Elphicke i think is a point very well made. Well, natalie al fayed, principal , well, natalie al fayed, principal, it hasnt well, natalie al fayed, principal , it hasnt really gone principal, it hasnt really gone down very well, has it . I cannot for the life of me think what keir starmer was thinking of. I mean, on so many levels it is so inconceivably stupid. Why . Because, well , stupid. Why . Because, well, several things really. I mean, first of all, the announcement on wednesday , just before prime on wednesday, just before Prime Ministers questions actually took away the gloss and the shine that labour could have had from their new mp for blackpool , from their new mp for blackpool, elected during the by election. Their success in the local and mayoral elections, apart from teesside, and i think if i had been a labour activist working really hard to get those people elected, id have felt jolly. Cross Natalie Pinnell organisation was putting out leaflets on tuesday saying labour are rubbish, theyre dreadful, theyre just going to have open borders. On wednesday shes joined the labour party. She doesnt bring anything to the labour party apart from a lot of questions and a lot of baggage, and i think lots of people will be questioning his political judgement on this. Well, lets have a look how starmer responded to some of what sunak was saying earlier on. The first duty of any government, particularly an incoming labour government, is national security. The security of the country. And that would be my first priority. Now the Prime Minister today has made a speech. I Prime Minister today has made a speech. I think its his seventh reset in 18 months. And i think that really shows you that the choice as we go into this election is now pretty clear. Election is now pretty clear. Do you think it is pretty clear, because this is one of the things i mean, you just alluded to it there when youre saying, what do labour actually stand for . What are their policies . Because we do know various different things. Like they had that new deal for the workers where they were going to basically like rip up everything and rewrite it and start again. We know that thats been kind of pared back. We know about that. The whole new green deal that to some extent has been pared back as well, but is this just basic politicking . Are they keeping their cards close to their chest, or do you think that they just dont really know, policy wise, what they stand for, really . Really . Well, i cant give an insight into what their internal thinking is, but it seems to me that what theyre actually doing is theyre trying to move in the publics mind as far to the right as they possibly can, and because they think thats going to help them win the election, theyd say move towards the centre, but as far to the right as they possibly can in labour party terms. So theyve ditched. Hes crushed a lot of left wing people. And diane abbott isnt even a member of the party anymore, as far as i understand, and so on. And corbyn and those people have been kicked out, lots of the candidates whove been chosen are keir starmer lookalikes. Theyre all identikit keir starmers, wholl be standing as mps. Is moving to the right. What we dont know, though, is if he gets power, how much hes going to stay on the right and how much hell start drifting back to his roots. On the corbynite left, where he used to be so active. Thats the point. We dont know until we see the details of policies. See the details of policies. What are you actually going to do about some of the big issues facing the country . And on that, hes told us very little indeed , hes told us very little indeed, steve, one of my viewers says, michelle rishi sunak is the reason that for the first time in my life, i will not be voting conservative at the next general election. He says theres two things, that the tories could do to get my votes. One would be, he says, number one for rishi sunak to resign and number two for rishi sunak to disappear into oblivion forever. He says into oblivion forever. He says indeed, there have been some rumours. I mean, im not suggesting that theres any fact to these, but just suggestions of rumours and thoughts that David Cameron might somehow be angung David Cameron might somehow be angling for a repositioning of himself for a potential tory leader. What himself for a potential tory leader. What do you think to that . I dont see why he would. I mean, hes come back, hes doing a good job as far as we can tell. As foreign secretary, hes a you know, hes got doors opening for him because of his previous time as Prime Minister. Hes known hes recognised , you hes known hes recognised, you know, there was a very good piece in the sunday times at the weekend by Christina Lamb there, you know, extremely respected Foreign Correspondent whod spent time with him in, kazakhstan. I think it was, you know, hes on top of his brief. Hes got energy, hes got a certain charisma. I mean, im not a particularly a fan of David Cameron, but i think hes doing a good job. And, you know, if you want to do a compare and contrast, you know, youve got David Cameron, youve got david lammy who may or may not be a labour foreign secretary. If they win. I think the other thing about this, this speech that rishi sunaks made and to a certain extent to address what daniel was talking about, policy. In the end, its what people feel. And i think people have by and large had enough of the conservative party. It doesnt mean to say they want, keir starmer or the labour party. I think they just want change, and what do you think to this, cameron, do you think David Cameron would ever want to be the tory leader again . Well, i think its wild speculation, but i will say this, and you watching him in the house of lords or seeing him do his job and being on the telly. David cameron is undoubtedly a class act. Now, undoubtedly a class act. Now, i dont agree with him about all his policies and everything. Hes done, but he is a conservative and he is a class act. But i dont think the future of the conservative party lies necessarily in going back, and i think hed see that as well. The future of the conservative party, whether in government or in opposition after the next general election, lies in going forward. But he was if you asked me, he was neglectful in his role because, of course, he gave us that brexit referendum. But that brexit referendum. But there seemed to be no planning whatsoever as to what wed actually do as a country if people voted to leave the European Union, then everyone will remember at the morning of that result, he just packed his bag and ran away. Bag and ran away. Well, i think thats a little unfair. I think. I think whats unfair. I think. I think whats unfair about that, because i think actually, if you are the Prime Minister and you have a policy and that policy is rejected , major policy. Yeah. Rejected, major policy. Yeah. And that policy is rejected , and that policy is rejected, then our tradition is that the Prime Minister would say, well, i dont have the confidence of the house of commons if it was rejected in the commons , or at rejected in the commons, or at least in this case, i dont have the confidence of the country. How can i carry on and just i cant do a turn on a sixpence and say, i didnt believe everything i said. So i think it was perfectly honourable for him to resign. I do agree with you, however, on this question. I think the government should have prepared for both outcomes and had a plan as to what they were going to do, and it was a deliberate decision by the government not to do that. And i think that was that was a very bad step, and, and i know they did it because they thought if they start planning for it, it would give people, you know, encourage people somehow to vote for brexit, but they decided not to do that. That was a mistake. But i think it was very onorable of him actually to resign. And it does him great credit that he that he recognised that you cant be as dishonest as that. Well well do well do you well do you give well do you give David Cameron credit. Do you think he would make a good future leader of the tory party again, one of my views is quite in touch, said the man. For the job. If it was ever to be again would be Boris Johnson. Yeah. I was just about johnson. Yeah. I was just about to say i can. I knew that thered be some wincing coming from Jeff Phillips when i suggested that i got to say, let me know your thoughts. Nigel worried by boris being such a winner. You see, thats the trouble. The opposition want him out because hes such a good, such a winner. Dreadful is. He is such a winner. Is he . Everyone whats your thoughts on that . She says is a dreadful man, what do you make of Boris Johnson . Youll tell me anyway, because i know lots of you actually rather quite like him, coming up after the break, you guys have sent me some good news stories. I appreciate that. Ill share them, also as well, though, i want to talk about do you think there is, how do i wear this delicately . A religion in town that you seem to be able to criticise when perhaps you cant any other. Im talking about the lib dems and the fact that they have been accused of deselecting a candidate based on his religion. What religion do you think that was . See you in hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry, and im with you till 7 00 tonight alongside my lord Daniel Moylan and joe phillips remain, craig has been in touch saying. Michelle, why are you dressed as the blockbuster , the dressed as the blockbuster, the blockbusters table today. Hed like a pea. Please i think youre showing your age, quite frankly. There, craig. Whos this . I like this one, james said my grandson , has been said my grandson, has been helping help for heroes , hes helping help for heroes, hes only 16 years old. He says hes grown his for hair three years. Hes had his head shaved, and then hes donated the hair to then hes donated the hair to the Little Princess trust, thats really nice. He says they are two fantastic charities that need that plug. His name is matthew. Well, good on you. We like that. And janet says, ive like that. And janet says, ive got great news. Michelle, im leaving the uk on june the 30th to go and start a new life with our daughter in spain. She said the even better news, though , is the even better news, though, is worry not because shes going to continue watching gb news and dewbs co, i appreciate it, can dewbs co, i appreciate it, can i come and move with you . Sometimes i think ive had enough of the uk, look , speaking enough of the uk, look, speaking of the uk and weve just been talking about politics there, and we touched on brexit. Theres been a court ruling today which will frustrate many people because basically what it was suggesting is that the rwanda plan, daniel, shouldnt apply to Northern Ireland because it breaches post brexit arrangements and specifically the echr. What do you make of that . That . Well, i think there are two things at the root of this. The first is that when we had the good friday agreement, we put in place a commitment that the European Convention on human rights would be something that would be entrenched in Northern Ireland with a view to protecting the rights of people from both main, both major communities. Yeah. And i dont think anyone sort of objects to that. And shortly afterwards we had our own human rights act, which applies to Northern Ireland, which , which took the ireland, which, which took the European Convention and put it into uk law. So the first problem is that this was this was all done with a view to protecting the rights of the communities in Northern Ireland, andifs communities in Northern Ireland, and its now being used and i would say abused in a sense , to would say abused in a sense, to make it more difficult to remove illegal refugees , which was illegal refugees, which was never the intention in the first place. The second part is that, however, that while in the rest of the uk we can override, we can change the human rights act because its parliament, can change an act of parliament and the human rights act is an act of parliament. So it can be changed, it can be overridden in, theyre now arguing that in Northern Ireland that cant be the case because the post brexit arrangements mean that its embedded in Northern Ireland law under because eu law applies there, because we havent actually completed brexit, because Northern Ireland is still partly governed by European Union law. The irony of all of this, funnily enough, is that the European Union has resolutely refused to sign the European Convention on human rights so theyre actually, you know, its being imposed on us by the European Union, which wont sign it in the first place. Do you know why . Why it would infringe on their sovereignty and the European Court of justice has stopped them from signing up to it because it would infringe on European Union sovereignty. There you go. You can tell all your mates that story down the pub will quiz you on how much of that you paid attention to. What do i tell you . All the stuff. Rerun. It is very interesting stuff. This world is going mad, isnt it . I tell you that all the time. The liberal democrats there, they have been accused of deselecting a candidate based on his religion. Yes, many of you guessed that religion rights is of course christian, this is apparently a breach of equality law. Theyre going to complain to the echr about this. You used to the echr about this. You used to be an adviser for the lib dems. I once had the audacity a couple of weeks ago to call you an adviser to labour, and im very quickly corrected myself. What do you make to this . Well, i dont know the ins and outs of this particular case, michelle and i would suspect that, as with a lot of these things, there may be more behind the scenes that we dont know about. I mean, behind the scenes that we dont know about. I mean, ed behind the scenes that we dont know about. I mean, ed davey, know about. I mean, ed davey, leader of the liberal democrats, tim farron , former leader of the tim farron, former leader of the liberal democrats. They are both practising christians. I mean, tim farron resigned because he couldnt , he he couldnt equate couldnt, he he couldnt equate his christianity and his faith with the partys policy on gay marriage or say, you know, same sex marriage , i think. But what sex marriage, i think. But what this shows, i think this is a really interesting thing that weve, i think in this country have got a very strange relationship with christianity. Relationship with christianity. How so . Because i think we feel slightly uncomfortable about it. Theres a theres a certain sort of snobbery. Theres a certain sort of like, i feel a bit uncomfortable about somebody who might be a god botherer or a bible basher or those sort of things, but we are perhaps find it easier to accommodate, people of faith where their faith is much more obvious. You know, maybe they are stricter. Maybe its because we know about rules on on kosher eating on on muslim food and practices and things like that. And maybe its because, to a certain extent, the church of england , is quite the church of england, is quite wishy washy. Its a Lovely Church to get married in. We all know the archbishop of canterbury , its a bit sort of canterbury, its a bit sort of midsomer murders. If you like, and im not sure that when it comes down to real, faith and commitment that we feel comfortable with it and we, you know, we do see this quite often cropping up. And tony blair or Alastair Campbell on behalf of tony blair, famously said , we tony blair, famously said, we dont do god, even though we know that tony blair was, you know, a devout christian. Daniel. Well, there are two separate things here, arent them . The first is there are certain policy issues which traditionally have been regarded as matters of conscience and not party policy. So they would include things like abortion, for example. So is the death penalty. Are others where mps and others have always been allowed to vote . According to their conscience and there hasnt been a party policy. Whats happened on the left . The liberal democrats in particular, explicitly now make some of these things part of their party policy. So if youre not happy policy. So if youre not happy with those things, david alton, who sits in the house of lords, was a liberal democrat mp. He left the liberal democrats years ago over his opposition to abortion because he wasnt allowed to carry on expressing his own conscientious view, while still remaining part of a party which now officially, supported it. So thats been happening on the left. It hasnt been happening on the theres no conservative party policy that tells you how to vote on abortion, for example. And there are other issues that come in the queue behind that, which might be to do with gay marriage and things like that. Thats got nothing necessarily to do with religion, because there are lots of people who are opposed to abortion who are not on on religious grounds. And of course, there are muslims who are opposed to abortion, just as there are, im sure, hindus and so on. Its not just christians who are opposed to practising christians who are opposed to abortion. The second question is how we treat christianity in the pubuc how we treat christianity in the public realm. And its absolutely true. I think you only have to watch television programmes, dramas and things like that , and that mostly you like that, and that mostly you see that there is a bias against christianity. Vie there is christianity. Vie there is a sort of sneering ness about christianity which is acceptable. I think you know where its coming from , ill where its coming from, ill come back to that which is acceptable in relation is accepted in relation to christianity. But which people would think very carefully about if they were taking the same attitude towards religious practices from , other religious practices from, other religious practices. Yeah. So i think there is an unfair bias in that sense against christianity, where is it coming from . I think theres a bunch of people who run our media and so on who who do who , who personally do sneer do who, who personally do sneer at at the practice of religion. They think its mildly. But do they sneer at religion or do they sneer at christianity . Because what youre saying is they wouldnt have the audacity. They probably take the mick out of islam or whatever, probably sneer at all religious practice and religious belief, and they think it antediluvian in some ways, even though its still the case that the vast majority of the worlds population actually believes in one religion or another , so they one religion or another, so they do sneer at it. The point is, they wouldnt dare Say Something that would offend muslims, not because theyre terrified of being. Im not saying muslims would murder them or theyd be fatwahs or things like that. Im not saying that because of the reaction, its just that they dont feel that they can go into that area yet. Im sure at some stage its not night, is it, daniel . I mean, i know its not new. It goes back at least 20 years. It goes back at least 20 years. I think its yes, exactly. I would say sort of 20, 30 years. And actually, you know, if you think about it, the most of the time when we as the general public, if youre not a churchgoer , are exposed to churchgoer, are exposed to christian vie, so think of the queens funeral , for instance. Queens funeral, for instance. Think of the coronation. Its those sort of event. Its those those sort of event. Its those big sort of set piece events where you see it and in a way it is the ceremonial that people are familiar with, rather than the teachings of the bible or the teachings of the bible or the questions that the bible raises. I mean, i think, i think its difficult. The town that i its difficult. The town that i live in, one of the schools there has just told a local vicar to thanks very much, but we dont need you coming to the school because were not having any religious speakers coming into the school now , see, i find into the school now, see, i find that quite astonishing because i think, you know, most of us probably grew up in the back of our minds. We know the stories our minds. We know the stories from the bible, you know, whether its the nativity or whether its the nativity or whether its the nativity or whether its , you know, pillars whether its, you know, pillars of salt or parting of the red sea and all of those sort of things. I mean, we use words and phrases in our everyday language that come from the bible and stories in the bible. And i think, you know, its a bit like shakespeare. We use phrases all the time that come from shakespeare without knowing which play they come from. And i think in a way , if you if you think in a way, if you if you dilute it, we its a little bit like we are with Saint Georges day. I think, that weve got this rather uncomfortable image harassment about it. I think the question to ask is this theres a theres a whole set of people who, if you announced, if you were one, a part of that set and you announced youd become a buddhist, people would say, oh, thats really cool. Thats really interesting, you know . Oh, i never, never thought about that in my you know, carry on. And if you said youd become an evangelical christian, they think you were completely weird and they wouldnt talk to you again, i dont know, because, whats it called, the alpha course or whatever its called. I think that seems to be, quite popular. So maybe its is there an issue with the branding, the pr if you would like, of the way that people are promoting that religion, perhaps i well, its interesting about that because, you know, the alpha course is popular and its popular, especially with young people , and, and they go to it people, and, and they go to it and then they go back to their jobs. And i wonder, i wonder how many of them, when they go back to their jobs, actually talk about it. I think they live in two separate worlds, the world of their religious community and the world of work and things like that, where they keep it to themselves, i suspect. I dont think they they , they, they mix think they they, they, they mix the two. But do you think that its because, as i said, that, you know, anglicanism in a way is a is its easy. You can go to a wedding, you can go to a funeral, but you dont have to go every week. But still call yourself a christian, well, you guys are having the conversation amongst yourselves at home. Les on the website says religion and the workplace are separate. We should keep it that way. But roger replies then, well, i work in a church, so id struggle with that. Quite frankly. So with that. Quite frankly. So there you go. The lib dems have responded. I must say as well, and said that this decision about this deselection is apparently undergoing an appeal, so they dont want to comment further at this stage, but they do, stress that they are home to people of all faiths and none, including many christians , there including many christians, there you go. You know what . Ill leave you guys to have your own thoughts on that after the break. The World Health Organisation should they be the ones that decide how your life is affected , with what you can is affected, with what you can and cant do . Should there ever be a new pandemic or should it be a new pandemic or should it be closer to home . The uk government making those decisions. Tell me your thoughts hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00. The conservative life peer in the house of lords , Daniel Moylan house of lords, Daniel Moylan and the political commentator joe phillips, alongside me. Norman says, michel. Christianity. And in fact, actually the average white male, he says, have been constantly under attack from the left and liberals for years. He says. Baker says religion, michel has caused far more war and death than anything else in his mind , than anything else in his mind, echo . Is that how you say your name . You say you cant believe that so many people are still wrapped up in religion in 2024. But i can tell you, theres lots of people getting in touch and defending christianity. A few of you saying, please , can you you saying, please, can you remind everyone that essentially this is still a Christian Country . Michel and sue says, please, can i say im proud to be church of england . And i wish others would feel the same and have the pride and passion that she has in our country now, if there was a pandemic , heaven there was a pandemic, heaven forbid, ever to happen again, who do you think should have the final say in terms of how your life is impacted as a response . Life is impacted as a response . Well, the World Health Organisation, they apparently vie think it should be them. Listen, i believe the time is right for an International Treaty or other legally binding instrument to provide the framework for a more coherent and coordinated response to future epidemics and pandemics. Future epidemics and pandemics. Whatever new structures or mechanisms are established, they must promote equity and galvanise the engagement and ownership of all countries. Ownership of all countries. So, i mean, theres been a lot of kind of toing and froing on the World Health Organisations pandemic, treaty. Bofis organisations pandemic, treaty. Boris johnson, actually, he was a signature to the article in the first place, back in 2021, that kind of brought us into these conversations. Theyre voting on, one of the final versions in may. Theres been quite a lot of pushback to this Daniel Moylan, and i think you put your name alongside that. Well, nigel farage is your colleague has started a sort of campaign, to reform the who. And ive signed up to that because i think its in desperate need of reform. And i dont think they can be heard credibly on pandemic issues until theyve actually dug into what the origins of the last pandemic was, because that, i think, is crucial. You cant understand how to handle a future pandemic if you dont know what started the last one. But i think the big important thing here is, and im fortunate, i was one of a number of peers and mps who, had a meeting with the relevant minister recently to talk about it. The important things to remember before we get too panicked is that, first of all, we havent actually seen the text of what this treaty says. Secondly, the minister assures us that a lot of the worst things in it have been taken out, and well be able to check that when we do see the text. And thirdly, he says that there wont be anything in it that will tie the governments hands in handling things in the best interests of the british people interests of the british people in the future. My only worry about that is that we often sign up to these things, like the Refugee Convention in the 1950s, and then discover that years later , theyre being applied in later, theyre being applied in a very different way, and the courts are saying they should be interpreted. And the belfast agreement and the European Court of human rights or convention on human rights, which we discussed earlier. So my worry is that there might be things in it that look fine now, but later might be interpreted some other way. But lets see the text before we get too excited about it. Joe phillips yeah, absolutely. I mean, its not happening right now. And this action on world health are the organiser of this campaign, which nigel farage and daniel have got behind to reform. I mean, i think the trouble is with all these huge bodies like World Health Organisation and the un to a certain extent and anything like that, they become, you know, these great big juggernauts that move very slowly, that theyre, you know, tied up in bureaucracy. I do tied up in bureaucracy. I do think its important that there is a Global Organisation that acts as a sort of a monitoring and reporting system, because otherwise you know how would we know whats happening, you know, whether its ebola, whether its avian flu, whether its something. Yeah. So you can have a standardised data set to catch that information, all of that sort of stuff. But i cant imagine that, you know, anybody of the 149 member countries are going to say, oh, yeah, thats fine. You just decide. I mean, i think daniels right. Lets see the text, but lets see what you know, what it says and what it proposes. I mean, i cant see any government signing up to it. Can you . Its like your way of saying you agree with nigel farage. No, not particularly, but i thought thats the territory we were going down there, joe. No, i mean, i do, you know, broadly speaking , i think i mean, i do, you know, broadly speaking, i think nigel is probably using this as a bit of a publicity stunt, but i agree with daniel, more importantly, that lets see the text before we start debating it in the house. Well, many people, of course, will be familiar with donald trump. Do you remember his attitude to the way he was having . Absolutely none of it at all. Was he get out . Was his approach until biden, of course, then came along and did that , then came along and did that, linda says michelle, given the amount of deaths during covid, it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world to have a pandemic treaty , well, anthony, you have treaty, well, anthony, you have a completely different view. You say, i would go as far as suggesting that the who should be completely dissolved. Stephen says absolutely, categorically, no. And hes asking for a referendum on this one before it got enforced, richard says we should leave the who. We do not want to be controlled by an unelected body. Theres a theme there, isnt it . Because that, of course, was one of the driving factors to brexit. I mean, many people and we should point out that donald trump, of course, you know, that well known Health Expert who suggested that people should try drinking bleach. Drinking bleach. Well, no, one of the problems there, though, joe, its been serious. Of course, drinking bleach is a stupid idea, but one of the problems is that the people who were experts in the United States ended up, you know, being exposed as telling us a load of porkies and not just in the United States. And thats thats really the problem. Trust has been destroyed on the part of the experts. And the who. Just peddled the chinese line because because the chinese appear to be funding them. Indeed, an awful lot of people got very drunk on power indeed during the last pandemic, didnt they . Libby, your didnt they . Libby, your thoughts on all the usual ways . Email, twitter or on our website coming up after the break, do you think they should be what people are calling a league table , which publicly shows table, which publicly shows which kind of asylum seekers, from which country or which status are committing the crimes 7 status are committing the crimes . Tell me your thoughts. See you in two. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till seven. Conservative live here in the house of lords. Daniel moylan and the political commentator Jeff Phillips alongside me. Simons been in touch saying, ive really enjoyed this debate tonight. Michelle, there is no shouting, just decent conversation and debate on the issues that are important. Thank you very much for that, one of my viewers, you just got in touch about christianity. Let me find you, because i thought it was quite interesting what you said, you were saying basically that we are a Christian Country thats forgotten how to be christian. I thought that was quite interesting. Oh, that was quite interesting. Oh, that was mark, actually. He says were a christian based society that does not practice christianity anymore. They go, thats marks comment. I think its quite an interesting one. Anyway, it look, theres a lot of people quite upset today. When is there. Not this time because theres a proposal for what some people are calling a league table, this is basically about migrant nationalities looking at the crime committed by those people. And then it would be kind of broken down into their asylum status, their claims, etc, and then published. Thats a key part. Published. Where would you stand on doing this, lord moylan i dont see that thered be a huge benefit in doing what you describe , but i doing what you describe, but i doing what you describe, but i do think that there is something going on that the police and the television dont tell us about particular crimes. Some of the things we want to know, and we do want to know in some cases, what is the nationality of this person. And nationality of this person. And we do want to know if they are first time migrants, even if theyre legal migrants, if theyre legal migrants, if theyre first time migrants into this country, because otherwise we dont actually get a sense. And we a lot of people are suspicious that theres something going on that theyre not being told. And i think you can trust people and tell them the truth about these cases, joe, i think i think its a rather dangerous area. And i think the way its being reported is ghastly. This sort of league table, you might remember , you know, a few years remember, you know, a few years ago, there were a lot of romanians coming to this country. And, you know, they were all labelled beggars. And there were, you know, sleeping in tents along park lane in london and that sort of thing , london and that sort of thing, actually, you know, they turned out to be an awful lot of extremely good builders and electricians and craftspeople and care workers and that thing. So i think anything that, starts ticking labels on a particular race or nationality, i think is dangerous. Its not sticking labels, is it . Data doesnt lie. Data is not racist, and data isnt used to , kind of categorise falsely. To, kind of categorise falsely. If the data is there and its transparent, then everyone will know what the picture is. Its absolutely fine. But i think there are there are ways of doing it. And i am absolutely sure that certainly one could find out on crime statistics. I find out on crime statistics. I mean, you can certainly look at areas where crime is committed. You would certainly be able to look at the age of , look at the age of, perpetrators. You would certainly be able to look at the gender of perpetrators. I would have thought, because all of those things will be in police records, well, not the sex, because they would be assessed under current practice. The police would say that a man who identified as a woman would be down in their records as a woman. You get my drift . You get my drift . You get my drift . So even start me on that one. No, ill spontaneously combust. And ive only got about two minutes to go. I think we might spontaneously combust anyway because its so hot in here. But air conditioning is not working. This is what you havent told your audience. But i know, i know because i try and i try and present a professional image or any teething issues i know. Hidden. Look, hes not even broken into a sweat and his ties done up. Yes, it is quite warm here. But you know what . Wed all be whingeing, wouldnt we . If its freezing cold, the sun has come out. It is warming things up a little bit, which i, for one, quite frankly do appreciate. I can tell you now, you know, i do feel a little bit whenever a crime is committed and they always say, i remember that the chemical attacker in clapham and they were saying like they were asking for the Publics Health help to track down a man. There was no description whatsoever, just a man. And you sit there and you go, come on now. Whereas when it does seem to be a white person that has committed a crime, you do seem to get access to those kind of descriptions, including the skin colour, etc, etc. Rather quickly. Is it just etc. Rather quickly. Is it just me thats noticed that anyone else noticed that or not, lots of people. I can tell you now do think we should be knowing who is doing what wilkinson says. What on earth would the government be scared of when it comes to publishing this information . Julie says absolutely. A report should be made to be and to be published because we, as citizens of this country are indeed entitled to know that information. With that information, i mean, you know , if you then end mean, you know, if you then end up with lynch mobs, well, you know, julie is probably not going to do a lot with it. But if youre someone that works in the, in the field of law and order, then you probably know where to direct your resources and your attention, and then you can have proper conversations, lie ins based on facts. And then when people start crying that shes a racist or whatever, but thats you can pull out the facts thats using it for, you know, law and order. Thats not for the public. Thats not for the public. Well, there you go. You can look at all the detail in your spare time because thats all ive got time for. Up next is nigel farage. I suspect he might have something to say on the w. H. O. Dont have something to say on the who. Dont go anywhere. W. H. O. Dont go anywhere. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Time for a look at the weather with the met office for gb news cloud and rain moves east very slowly over the next 24 hours. Showers follow the main band of rain that weve seen across western parts during the day, and its going to turn cooler across the country as we lose the warm sunshine that weve seen so much of during the last few days. We do keep some clear spells in the east on monday night, but otherwise there is this cloud and rain progressing its way very slowly eastwards , followed by showers eastwards, followed by showers into the southwest, interspersed by clear spells where we do get some clear spells in the west. Temperatures will dip into the single figures, but otherwise its 12 to 15 celsius first thing tuesday and a damp, dreary start for central and southern scotland. Northern and eastern england. That rain really persists throughout much of the day. It does become more fragmented into the afternoon, so on and off rain and nothing particularly heavy but a marked contrast compared with recent days, with temperatures back to 16 to 18 celsius. A little bit cooler than that, where weve got the persistent rain and where weve got the low cloud hugging the coast further west, we keep some clear spells on tuesday and into wednesday clear spells, some sunshine in between, any showers but those showers will be quite lively across southwest england in particular, a few rumbles of thunder around driest and brightest for northeast scotland. But otherwise weve got the cloud and some damp weather to contend with in the east. Thursday and friday. Further sunny spells and showers. Sunny spells and showers. Temperatures not far from average. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening. A big speech today by rishi sunak saying hes the man you can trust to keep the man you can trust to keep the country safe. While unsurprised, keir starmer disagrees. Were going to be asking you. Who do you think asking you. Who do you think would be the best leader given the situation in the world . This morning i launched a campaign about the World Health Organisation who want in two weeks time for us to sign a treaty that would give them huge powers. Im dead against it. Ill debate this with an American Academic who thinks the whole thing is a good idea. American academic who thinks the whole thing is a good idea. The whole thing is a good idea. The and religion in politics ought to be specific. Christianity in to be specific. Christianity in politics. Is there any place for practising christians in todays