Bringing migrants across the engush bringing migrants across the English Channel. Dover mp natalie elphicke, who has just switched from the conservatives to the labour party, has welcomed sir keirs approach, claiming rishi sunaks failed to keep the borders safe. However, the Prime Minister insists his rwanda plan is still the deterrent the uk needs. The question for keir starmer, then, is if he cares so much about that, why did he vote against the new laws that we passed to give our Law Enforcement officers new powers. 7 enforcement officers new powers . Theyve now used those to arrest almost a thousand people connected with illegal migration, sentenced them to hundreds of years in prison. And if it was up to him, all those people will be out on our streets. So i just think its a rank hypocrisy of this position. Scotlands new first minister, john swinney, has admitted today that its legally impossible to implement controversial gender recognition reforms. In 2020, two msps voted to pass a bill that would make it simpler for people to change their gender without having to obtain a medical diagnosis. The legislation would have also reduced the minimum age and the time required for someone to live in their chosen gender, but campaigners argue the move is the wrong one and said it could affect protections for women and girls. Two elderly climate girls. Two elderly Climate Change protesters have taken a hammer and a chisel to a glass case protecting the magna carta at the British Library this afternoon, 82 year old sue parfitt and 85 year old judy bruce also held up a banner which read the government is breaking the law before gluing themselves to the display. Scotland yard says that two people have been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage. Suspicion of criminal damage. The uk is officially out of recession, with the latest figures showing the economy has grown by more than expected. The office for National Statistics estimates gdp rose by 0. 6 in the first three months of this yeah the first three months of this year. Predictions were suggesting 0. 4. Rishi sunak says people will now start to feel better off. But the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves , says chancellor, Rachel Reeves, says the conservatives are out of touch. If you look at this Prime Ministers record since rishi sunak became Prime Minister, the economy is still £300 worse off per person in the country. So per person in the country. So this these numbers today are not deserving of the victory lap that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt seem to want to go on. And finally, some good news for stargazers. Theres a chance you may see the Northern Lights across the uk tonight , thanks to across the uk tonight, thanks to clear skies and a huge and rare solar storm. Forecasters suggest theyre likely to be seen across parts of northern ireland, scotland, Northern England and wales. Experts say it could be the most powerful geomagnetic storm in almost two decades. Thats the latest from the newsroom for now. Another update at 8 00. Until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Welcome to the andersons real world and tonight on the show, were going to discuss what impact donald trump will have on uk politics and on the world stage. If he is elected this yeah stage. If he is elected this year. Im delighted to be joined by Alex Armstrong , a political by Alex Armstrong, a political commentator, and back on the show, Denis Macshane , former show, Denis Macshane, former labour mp and minister of state for europe, i believe. Welcome dennis. Welcome back. Look, hes, hes got his haters as donald trump and hes got his lovers as well. Hes never out the news. He always seems to be. Hes in more court. That is in court more times than some mps over there, at the moment. So, dennis, is he going to get elected and is he going to be good for the world . I personally think not. Im afraid of joe biden. Long talks afraid of joe biden. Long talks to him about politics, trump, donald trump has had his moment in the sun. Hes a bit like our own beloved nigel farage, who won tons of votes in European Parliament elections. But when he went to the british people to go into the house of commons, they said, no thanks, nigel. I think everything trumps doing, particularly now, this Court Case Problem for him, you know, as a common criminal, i think the American People will just say, nah, nah, i mean, weve got problems. He told us hed build a wall between mexico and america. Not six inches of it was built. I mean, america. Not six inches of it was built. I mean, hes hes hes a mouth musician, isnt he . Hes a mouth musician, isnt he . Hes very impressive. Hes very fluid. But hes also a bit doddery. Now, i know joe isnt exactly a sprightliest man on the world, but, i mean, donald makes incredible mistakes, alex. I mean, not very flattering there from dennis is doddery. Hes a is a mouth. What was it, a mouth . What . Well, he was in politics. We call them mouth musicians. Covertly, you must know. And a convict. Yeah. I mean, and a convict. Yeah. I mean, what what do you say to that . Well, look, every time theres a new court case brought against trump, he goes up in the polls. I mean, this he is really a man of the people. And just look at what he did while he was in office. Hes the first president in god knows. I cant remember who didnt start a new war. And now hes got all these criminal convictions on him. And people see this as injustice. They see these small, petty crimes put against trump that seem to a lot of people manufactured to bring him down. Weaponizing the justice department. And every time they do it, like the famous mug shot, trump just just rallies his troops and he goes up and up and up in the polls. I mean, youve only got to see the way that the two of them speak in rallies and the amount of people that show up to see trump to show how popular he is with ordinary people. And thats the difference between biden and trump. Ordinary people love trump. Ordinary people love trump. People who love the status quo like sleepy joe. But then you cant really argue with that because we see the polls in the us and trump is up there. So its sort of goes against what you said previously. Lee, i look at a lot of polls in america, not just the bits and pieces that appear in the daily mail, the Daily Telegraph. The polls are the key swing states. If you remember, in america, youve got to get the electoral college. You know that. Our viewers know that in the key swing states, the democrats have won nearly every single local election, the ones that are far too unimportant to be reported in britain. And thats one of the biggest reason, is because he stuffed the Supreme Court with very right wing judges who hate women and have removed the right of women to control their own bodies. And this is producing a backlash amongst women voters that has already cost the republicans control of the senate. And so my american friends tell me, im not an expert any more than you are, but the polls are all saying, but the polls are all saying, but when youre voting, not opinion polls, do you like trump . Yeah. Okay hes exciting quy trump . Yeah. Okay hes exciting guy. Its. But are you going to actually go out tomorrow to vote republican . Then the answer is well, no. Because what theyre well, no. Because what theyre doing to us women in particular is just unacceptable. Is just unacceptable. So what is he doing to women, alex . Donald trump . Well, you know, he literally came out last week i think it was and had a very strong statement that when he if he becomes president that he if he becomes president that he will support womens reproductive rights. And that includes, you know, abortion. And he said that he abortion. And he said that he would like to see that challenged in those states, which he thinks have gone too far. So i think hes actually had quite a robust response to it. And hes not in charge of the Supreme Court. He can put people in there that you know, back his values, but hes not in charge of the Supreme Court. Thats the way it works in america. But then hes sort of suggested that the courts are full of women haters. Oh, i, i look there are women on the Supreme Court and, you know, whether or not i dont know, whether or not i dont know what the vote was or dont know what the vote was or dont know how many women voted for and against the abortion, the abortion acts in the Supreme Courts, locally, in those states. But those those states have a right to choose how they govern their people. And if they want to, people want that overturned, then surely it will be overturned by policy at some point. But they keep voting for people that dont want to change that policy. And thats down to the american states. Genesis is just sour grapes from people on the left like you. I stop, particularly people on the left. Its women. And women have got the right to too, vote you know. And its not just accident. Trump knew perfectly well when he was putting on to the Supreme Court, not respected middle of the road judges, but men, particularly men who taken a line on denying women the right to control their own bodies. And i, im not a woman. Youre not a woman. Alex isnt a woman. But this is how its been read in america. But going to other issues, too. He makes other issues, too. He makes flamboyant, absurd statements. Flamboyant, absurd statements. We dont know where hes standing on, on on putin. There are plenty of other president s since 1945 who havent started wars. And we probably american, has been drawn into wars, rightly or wrongly, iraq or vietnam or other places intervening in west balkans to stop up the mess up of europe. Stop up the mess up of europe. But the putin question, i mean, the putin thing that you raised there, then is i mean, im im convinced that had trump been the president of the us, that this wouldnt have happened. You know, theres no way putin would have invaded ukraine. What do you think, alex . It never would have happened. It never would have happened while i was president. I mean, its, you know, hes a tough man. And you know what . What really frustrates foreign leaders is not knowing how to predict somebody. And hes unpredictable. I mean, look, he was the first president , i think, for ever that stepped, stepped foot in north korea. He made massive swathes to actually bnng made massive swathes to actually bring peace around the world. I think he was fostering deals between israel and saudi arabia. Between israel and saudi arabia. He was actually the most peaceful president weve had in decades. Peaceful president weve had in decades. And you cant take that decades. And you cant take that away from him. Look at dennis. Look at dennis. Take that away from dennis. Dennis, its a fact. You cant take that away. You cant take that away. I love the most peaceful president in decades. I love i love the idea that under trump he was i cant do the accent. Ill leave it to you as four years of peace. You know, nobody everinvaded years of peace. You know, nobody ever invaded or attacked anybody. Give us all a break. I mean, i was in georgia in 2008 when putin invaded. Trump wasnt he wasnt even doing, you know, the apprentice in those days. And you cant blame that on trump, can you . Putin putin doesnt give a damn about who hes us president. He is obsessed with restoring russian grandeur and regaining what he considers the territories that have voted to become independent states. And i think the whole world will be very disappointed if a President Trump enters into office and starts working for putin. I dont think he will. Thats a bit unfair, saying the whole world will be, you know, upset if donald trump, sorry, the whole democratic world. All right. So everybody in the uk will be a little bit fed up. Oh, i think itll be i think a nightmare whether its a tory government or a labour government, i think it will be difficult to handle and we will just enter unchartered territory. Donald trumps not here to defend himself. Or is he . No, im here to defend donald trump. Right. And id say this, id say, look, donald trump made some really important points when he was president , particularly around nato, which there were plenty of countries not contributing. And why should we constantly ask america to keep funding nato . If we really believe in it, we should pay for it. And frankly, the globalist sort of cabal of people whove got a very similar set of agenda, you see that in policy all across the west. Dont like it because he came in upset, upset the status quo. You saw that from his actions in policy in america, when he ordered thousands of independent experts to go into the pentagon and say, we want transparency in what youre spending your money on. And they didnt like it and they failed. I think what some of the so called democrats didnt like at the time, because when he was signing off these executive orders. Thats right. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. Why not . Why not dennis b because very simply, america was founded on the idea of rule of law. And its never accepted the idea that a strong president has some very strong president s over their 200 plus years of history could override that. Now, if you want to give up on that. And a want to give up on that. And a lot of people in this country are very keen to ignore rule of law, then were entering a new world. Better world. Im not sure, he claimed in before he was elected, he would build a wall and stop immigration. Thats far more important to every american than ill tell you whats far more important, dennis. Its the yes no quiz. Okay, guys, yes or no quiz . Dennis you know the rules. Youve done this before, i think. Alex, its a yes or a no. You cant say anything else. And it proves rather difficult for certain mps or ex mps like Stephen Pound is not on the show this week, so , not on the show this week, so, dennis, will donald trump win the us election . The us election . No. No. Alex. Yes, alex. Will biden be the democratic candidate . No yes. Yes. Yes. Dennis wolf ferraris returned to frontline politics. No alex. No. No. There was, there. Yeah there was, there. Yeah no, sorry. No, sorry. I cant give you that. You know , the rules are quite know, the rules are quite simple. Alex, is there a under plan working . Yes. Dennis. No dennis. No finally. Number five. Alex should the uk accept Illegal Migrants back from ireland . No oh. Oh. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry, dennis. There was a grunt. There was a groan and a giggle. So hes trying to think through the law of it all. Well, look, theres no thinking required in this game. Thinking required in this game. Yes. Itsjust thinking required in this game. Yes. Its just its politics. Thats certainly true in the cabinet at the moment. So i want to come back to you first, alex, for your pathetic score, by the way. Okay. Right. Okay. Right. I mean, its just yes or no. What is difficult about that . But number two, will biden be the democratic candidate in the us elections . Donald, over to you. Yeah. I mean, hes its donald, you know, hes sleepy. Joe, you know, like at the end of the day, he cant even get a speech out. I mean, the other day he was speaking to people in his rallies and he went four more years. Pause. Yep, yep. And its like this sort of stuff. People must look at it and go, hes not running the show here. Clearly its a group of people looking after the presidency. So i think people will the democrats will get to a point where theyll say, no, weve got to replace him. Yep, yep. Disagree. Hes just won a huge victory in in the senate, on the house, on a huge package to, ukraine, which trump opposed. And all the right wing nasty republicans opposed. And everybody in the democratic world is breathing more easily. Hes making powerful statements and speeches on the campaign trail. Speeches . Yeah, on the campaign trail. Listen to him. Come on, dennis. Well, i tried dennis. You know, i mean, look, look, gladstone was doing it at 84. Churchill was doing it well into his 80s. You cant compare biden to winston churchill. Im surely saying that the idea and trump stumbles far more. But trump stumbles far more. But look, bidens as i say, ive known him. I talked to him. Hes older than me, but it was slightly the same background. He believes in three things do right by american middle classes. We would call it maybe more. The working class here, which actually both labour and the tories have ignored. As you know, lee. Secondly, his economic guidance is not right wing austerity make the poor poorer but middle class keynesian, sensible politics of the state has to do something. Dont deny i dont have to give the final word to donald trump because hes got an opinion on this. Thirdly joe is opposed every one of americas enemies. Every one of americas enemies. Trump hasnt seen one of americas enemies. He hasnt wanted to get closer to donald. Final word. I mean, come on, lets lets just lets just get real here. He biden cant even get a speech out. Hes hes weak on foreign policy. Speech out. Hes hes weak on foreign policy. Hes allowed russia to take advantage. China to take advantage of weak American Foreign policy. And the economy is dwindling in america. Unemployments rising at a rapid rate. So i mean, by all intents and purposes, Donald Trumps presidency was far more prosperous , safer and a better world. Well thanks, guys. Great. Just one quiz. I think youre the first pair weve had on. Ill have to check back on previous episodes to not get at least one of you. Not to get a five so you can go away knowing that it was pretty pathetic. Coming up next is back in the day with vanessa frake. Day with vanessa frake. 2024 a battleground year, the year the nation decides as the parties gear up their campaigns for the next general election, who will be left standing when the british people make one of the british people make one of the biggest decisions of their lives . Lives . Who will rise and who will fall . Lets find out together for every moment. The highs, the lows, the twists and turns. Well be with you for every step of this journey in 2024. Gb news is britains election channel. Gb news is the home of free speech. We were created to champion it, and we deliver it day in, day out. Free speech allows us all to explore and debate openly the issues most important to us. Our families. And of course, the british people having challenging conversations to enlighten each other. Which is why we hear all sides of the argument. We are the peoples channel. We are the peoples channel. We are the peoples channel. We will always stand by the freedom to express yourself on tv, radio and online. This is gb news. This is gb news. Britains news channel britains news channel so im joined now by vanessa frake, who was the governor of security at wormwood scrubs. Thats correct. And also so a top selling author selling thousands of books. Look, vanessa, as a young lady, what sort of drives you to be to be interested in a career in the Prison Service . Well, i kind of sort of fell into it really, by accident. I happened to see a poster on the tube when i was in london, when i was, what, 21 . And, it said Something Like your Prison Service needs you and you too can make a difference. And i, you know , i was a bit of a cocky you know, i was a bit of a cocky so and so at that age. And i thought, well, i can do that job. Okay. I applied and at the same time i applied to join the met police, and while i was halfway through my training for the Prison Service, i got a letter through from the met saying i could start at hendon college. But by that time, like i said, i was halfway through my training and i thought, well, lets see where this goes. And as they say, the rest was a little bit scary going into a prison for the first time. No, i dont apprehend ive. Yeah, ive never been scared people, quite a few people asked me that, you know. Were you ever scared . But no, i think if youre ever scared, you cant do the job. Okay, so youve come across a im looking at the list here, vanessa. A few unsavoury characters, to say the least. I mean, i know the prisons are full of prisoners and people thats done horrible things, but youve had a, a coming together with rose west , i believe. With rose west, i believe. Yeah. I mean, i was in charge of the segregation unit when rose west came to us before her trial in, in Winchester Crown court. And because winchester is a winchester jail is court. And because winchester is a winchesterjail is a male jail. We had to hold her at holloway and, so i looked after rose for about eight, eight, nine weeks before she went to winchester on trial , you know, winchester on trial, you know, people say, well, what was she like . Well, she was your typical like . Well, she was your typical psychopath. No emotion, very narcissist , very manipulative. Narcissist, very manipulative. But, you know, she caused no bother. Obviously, she couldnt be in the general population. So be in the general population. So we kept her down in the segregation unit for not only her protection, but the protection of others. And how do the other prisoners react when somebody like rose west is in the jail, well, i mean, you know, they only had to look at the news, read the newspapers and know that wed had somebody you know, notorious into the jail. And so, you know, thered be a lot of catcalling out of windows, etc, etc, and rose west, you know, she was convicted eventually of murdering ten women and the torture of and but she wasnt a baby killer, not like the likes of beverley allitt, who was convicted of murdering four babies and trying to murder nine others. The place was, you know, up in arms. We certainly had to keep her separated. So we do hear stories and i dont know how true they are, to be honest with you, vanessa, that sometimes when you get these evil people in your in your prisons, that the Prison Guards turn a blind eye sometimes and let the inmates get on with it. Is that true or is that just something we read in the papers . No, i think thats i think thats you know, i think thats pretty much, something that the media comes up with certainly, you know, in just shy of 30 years, ive never seen anything like that. If anything, you want to protect that person because you certainly dont want anything to happen to them on your watch. You know, the likes of fred west topping himself. Shipman doing the same. You know, if that was on your watch, you know, theres an awful lot of paperwork to fill out and lots and lots of questions and investigations go on. So, no, i dont believe that that sort of professional pride gets gets rid of that. Absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, ive had the pleasure to work with a great number of very professional prison officers. Okay. Another one ive got on my list. I mean, you mentioned, rose west, pete doherty , singer. Rose west, pete doherty, singer. Yeah, a strange character. Yeah. Well, pete came into yeah. Well, pete came into wormwood scrubs when i was at wormwood scrubs when i was at wormwood scrubs when i was at wormwood scrubs , and, he was wormwood scrubs, and, he was sentenced some ridiculous amount, Something Like three months by the by the judge, for breach of his previous conditions. And, you know , he conditions. And, you know, he was a prolific drug taker. We thought wed give him a chance, put him on the detox unit, try and help him. But it turned out to be an absolute nightmare. You know, outside every cell , know, outside every cell, theres a whats called a cell card. It has the prisoners name and number, and all these cell cards kept disappearing because they prisoners would take it off their doors. Go a piece. Oh, sign this for us, pete. And then and then pocket it. So, then i came in one sunday morning, and i think it was the news of the world had a front page picture of pete doherty taking crack or smoking a joint or something with his fellow prisoners on the detox wing. We then had no choice. So i went with another officer and took him down to the seg, and thats where he stayed for his entire time. So outside of prison life, youve got a passion for baking. Whats all that about . Did that start in prison, no, not really. No, up until i retired, i didnt really bake at all. But, you know, i think when, when people retire from a service like, you know , Prison Service, whatever, know, Prison Service, whatever, you kind of lose your way in society and you kind of think, well, where do i fit in society now . What do i do . You know, its all right for the first couple of weeks. Its like youre youre institutionalised. You think, oh, completely, i still am. You know, i count people on the tops of buses. I have my lunch at 12 00, you know. Absolutely institutionalised to within an inch of my life. And i think you know, i had to find something that, that i could put my passion into. So youve got another passion as well. You told me earlier about the, the hospice in evesham. Yeah. Yeah ive done a bit of work with, the people who run saint richards hospice up in worcestershire, fantastic people. Fantastic cause. And im really pleased that you mentioned it. Thanks. So if anybody wants to put a donation on their way, im sure theyd be delighted. And how did they put that donation in . Is there a link or is there a, no. I think if you go on to their website, you can it has a button says donate. Says donate. Okay. So youve got a, you know, a good career in the pfison know, a good career in the Prison Service. You served your country, youve done your bit for king and country and queen and country young people today looking for a career. Would you advise them to go into the into the Prison Service and whats the Prison Service and whats the dos or donts, i think youve got to understand that the Prison Service over the last sort of id say probably ten, 15 years has changed dramatically. You know, ever since 2010, its been bled dry of funding. Weve been bled dry of funding. Weve got crumbling buildings, weve got crumbling buildings, weve got overcrowding, weve got staff shortages, weve got rid of a lot of experienced staff. And now were sort of recruiting very young. When i joined the very young. When i joined the job, you had to be 21. Now you can apply at 71 and start training at 18. Well, to me thats very young. You know, thats very young. You know, thats no life experience, but you know, for me it was a fantastic career. I got got the opportunity to meet some amazing people. You know, i had a, i met the queen, i had a i was awarded an m. B. E. And, you know, i put my all into it. And if you want a long term career and you think you can make a difference, then yeah, absolutely. But youve got to have resilience. Youve got to have resilience. Youve got to have resilience. Youve got to have resilience. Youve got to have humour, albeit probably gallows humour. But you know, youve got to be able to, to be firm but fair. Can i just ask you one question . Because theres one thing that really , i dont know, thing that really, i dont know, it bewilders me how did the drugs get into prison . Oh, lee, if you know, i spent probably 20 years trying to fight drugs , coming into jail as fight drugs, coming into jail as soon as you shut one door, you know, another one opens. As soon as you catch like one dealer, another one slides into his shoes. You know, there are so many ways weve had bogus solicitors , weve had, solicitors, weve had, solicitors, weve had, solicitors, weve had Police Officers, weve had staff. Weve officers, weve had staff. Weve had coming over in dead pigeons sewn up. Weve had them over in tennis balls, we, you know, we threw receptions from the courts. You know, the list is absolutely endless. And to fight it, you know, the Prison Service never really kept up with technology. You know, mobile phones are so easy to get into prison these days. And, the prison these days. And, the Prison Service, you know, it says its helping with technology, but it can do so much more. And as soon as i say, as soon as you shut one door, another one flings open. Vanessa. That was brilliant conversation. Thanks for doing that. Look, coming up next, weve got right versus left with emma woolf and Denis Macshane i on friday night live with mark dolan. Can labour stop the boats . Have the anti vaxxers been proved right all along . Why . Im praying for an israel victory in eurovision. And as hes reduced to tears in nigeria. Is king charles right to give prince harry a bit of tough love . Your weekend starts here. Friday night live with me. Mark friday night live with me. Mark dolan from 8 pm. On gb news. Bnng dolan from 8 pm. On gb news. Bring a bottle. Bring a bottle. Okay, its time for right versus left. And i have author and political commentator emma woolf back on the show for about the third or fourth time, and likewise, dennis Denis Macshane. Likewise, dennis Denis Macshane. Hes a former labour mp, minister of state for europe. Look were going to get straight to it. Politics. Weve seen whats happened over the past week or so, people are a little bit i think, in this country, a bit i think, in this country, a bit fed up with politicians of all colours, really, but i dont think theyre switching off from politics. I think its almost become a form of entertainment. If i could say that in this country where people are looking on their phones, looking on the tv, looking at this great tv channel, so theyre actually engaging with politics, in my opinion, but theyre just fed up with, with politicians and, and the direction of travel in this country. What do you think . What do you think, dennis . I think its perfectly, perfectly fair. The trouble is, when you ignore politics, never forget politics doesnt ignore you. And the difficulty is that you. And the difficulty is that i follow social media. I follow lots of different stations and different magazines , news different magazines, news papers, but theyre all one tonal. Weve just lost the art. We used to have it at the Daily Telegraph and the news pages. We used to have it in the guardian of some balance, of some give and take. Now its all you know. Hello, heres my megaphone. And this is, are the good people. And those are the bad people. And those are the bad people. And those are the bad people. And we also dont have any really good strong personalities anymore. Well, thanks for that, dennis. What do you reckon . Im a no. A 110. A no. Strong leadership in leadership positions. No. Strong your day will come. Look, i dont think people are switching off from politics. I think theres a sense of exhaustion. I think theres a sense of disillusionment. I think outside the westminster bubble, theres a real sense that politics is not delivering real people for what they need in their real lives , the things in their real lives, the things they care about, the things that people we have all said that we are concerned about knife crime, immigration, things like that, poverty, you know, cost of living, all those things. I think there is a sense in the country of exhaustion and despair that that is not being delivered. I think people dont feel connected. I think its kind of micro level, feel connected. I think its kind of micro level , their local kind of micro level, their local lives and the macro. So the macro youve got, youve got taxes soaring, youve got the nhs literally on the verge of breakdown. Then at the local level youve got peoples lives, their real lives, youve got unemployment in their local areas, youve got the high streets that are closing down, youve got potholes on the streets, youve got a sense that you cant get an appointment at your local gp, that you cant get your kids into, into decent schools. So its kind of local and also on a larger scale. And also on a larger scale. So i was one of those people. Dennis, emma, back in 2015, 16, i was just a normal bloke watching the tv, looking at parliament, looking at the green benches and screaming at the screen. And then when we had the brexit vote and still they couldnt deliver on brexit. And im thinking theres a normal bloke, you know, just an everyday bloke looking, why cant you do the job that we implore you to do . And i know a lot of people and im gonna flip this back on the public as well a little bit, because a lot of the people saying i could do a better job than that. And then when you say, well, come and help, come and help deliver leaflets, get involved, join a political party, come and campaign, to stand be a councillor, whatever, or maybe an mp. They dont want to know because its a tough gig. It is a tough gig. Thats the thing. Lots of us want to be involved at that level, but its time consuming. People are actually struggling to work to look after their kids, to put food on the table, you know, to pay the bills. And i you know, its kind of is it apathy that they dont get involved . Well, dennis is shaking his headis well, dennis is shaking his head is looking a little bit confused. Only only in the sense that, well, before we were born, people were working 50 hour weeks. There are no weekends. Theyre working saturdays, but they still found time on all parties to go out because it was important for the country. And i think the constant sneering at politicians , you cite, for politicians, you cite, for example, brexit not being delivered well, prohibition was delivered well, prohibition was delivered in america. It was voted in 1917. They tried to deliver it. They couldnt. It turned into a disaster. And then america grew up. At some stage, well have to grow up and admit that cutting all trade links and banning everybody coming into britain from europe is not good for the politics. Dennis is about people. Its dennis is about people. Its about people getting involved. Its about people airing their opinions and maybe campaigning for Political Parties or even, you know, people. Sometimes you know, people. Sometimes people get on social media and get on twitter and instagram and they, you know, they fire all these opinions off. And then we say, well, you know, come and meet me, come and get involved. They dont want to know a lot of the time, but it is about people. And i think when you lose that trust in politicians, i mean, look, look at the last say four, three, four years. People feel that since the pandemic, we were lied to, we were controlled, we were restricted. Controlled, we were restricted. Theyve lost a lot of trust in our leaders. And thats really fundamental. You know, there isnt respect for leaders in the same way that there used to be. So harold wilson, winston churchill, i know they were difficult times. Of course they were. And i agree with you 100. It was much tougher back in the 50s. It was much tougher back in the 505. I it was much tougher back in the 50s. I dont buy this stuff about, oh, its harder for young people these days. Genuinely. I dont. But look at young people. Lets go to that. We have a generation of people who are unemployed, who are anxious, who are signed off work, who are depressed, who are becoming obese. All of that. And i think thatis obese. All of that. And i think that is also linked to this addiction to screens and smartphones and people just being inside signed off with anxiety disorders. I think anxiety disorders. I think theyre a really, really difficult problems in this country. Theres a problem, country. Theres a problem, young people, its really sad, but well, it isnt. It isnt, it isnt. I mean, if im say if they actually they put on the radio in the morning or in tv and they hear the guys in power in the cabinet saying, this is a world beating economy. Our education policy is the best in the world. Our health care policies. But we spend more on health care than anybody else in human history. And they say, why is this guy, this woman talking absolute bs . Yeah. And itll be labours fault too, before long. Dont get me wrong. What i would say though, is weve seen the biggest participation by people of all ages, especially young people in my lifetime in the last few months. On the question of gaza. But they say that if of gaza. But they say that if youre pro palestinian , there youre pro palestinian, there isnt a Single Person over there, as you put it. Whitehall or westminster. Speaking for me and my jewish friends will say theres not a Single Person pointing out hamas was a bunch of jew killers and an evil organisation , and so they come organisation, and so they come out. I was there last weekend, they come out weekend after weekend filling the streets, and nobody is responding to them. But lets go back to young people. Emma, you make but lets go back to young people. Emma, you make a but lets go back to young people. Emma, you make a good people. Emma, you make a good point, dennis. By the way, back in the day, the 50s or 60s, whenever more i think more young people were more interested in politics, especially in my neck of the woods, because of industry. The industry was a coal mine, was a steelworks, was textiles, whatever. These were large nationalised industries. Large nationalised industries. They had a large workforce and there was closed shop unions. So there was closed shop unions. So everybody who worked in in the pits where i worked had a stake in the labour party somewhere along the line, because they paid their union subs a bit, you know, a few pence of that subs went to the labour party to, you know, to, to train candidates to produce election materials, etc. So when it comes to election time , in my day, it was pretty, time, in my day, it was pretty, you know, nailed on which way you know, nailed on which way you was going to vote. But at least you was going to vote, because each week you paid your union subs that went to the labour party and hey presto, a bloke used to work down the pit was your local mp. Yeah, fine. But you had a sense of local community. You had a sense of community cohesion. You were part of something. You were talking to people. You were out in the streets. You were working with other people. We dont have that anymore. We live in completely isolated societies. I mean, i live in central london. I dont even know my neighbours. And ive, you know, lived where i live for 15 or so years. Many, many people are in that time to every woman was staying at home, waiting to sort of scrub her husband, mind her husbands back and preparing food. Theres been a revolution of putting, allowing women now to speak and be part of society, which wasnt the case then. But which wasnt the case then. But ill tell you one thing the tories had going for them in 19505. Tories had going for them in 1950s. Lee i think youre probably too young to appreciate it. Thanks for that. That was simply that the Young Conservatives were the biggest social group in britain without a million people. And you went there to meet people of the other sex there. Maybe politics has to get just a bit more down to earth, but i cant no, i come back to the well, i could i come back to the well, i could i come back to the internet. Nowadays, if you want to meet friends, if you want to meet your potential partner, all of that, its all online. And its not about male versus female. Its really, really not. Its about a general decline in standards. Its about general decline in behaviour, general decline in behaviour, general decline in behaviour, general decline in discipline. Bring back, you know, whats it called . The rope. The rope. No. No. Oh my god. Were talking oh my god. Were talking about public hanging now. Conscription. Conscription. Bring conscription. Bring back conscription. Give young people something to do for a couple of years. Get them trained and get them disciplined. Give young men and young women, but young men especially get get the you know, the conscription sergeants out on the high streets. Give them a sense of something to do. The old drill sergeants. The old drill sergeants. Why not . Why not young men at a salary give them a career . No, but i did do the school cadet force. It was a Company Sergeant major. I was a natural giver of orders even then, barking at other school children. And i made that point once in the house of commons, saying the house of commons should have a combined cadet force for all mps to get some discipline back into. Discipline back into. Absolutely, absolutely discipline, back in parliament, discipline, back in parliament, discipline back into parliament, discipline back into parliament, discipline back into our nurseries, in our schools and all of it. But i have a three year old and most days i say to him, pull your socks up, stop whining, you know. And does it get your socks up, its not working, is it . Its not working. Dennis. Emma. Thanks. That was brilliant. I will come back on the rope comment. Were not having a debate on, flogging and hanging. Flogging and hanging on this show. Well, not this week, anyway. Anyway, coming up after anyway. Anyway, coming up after the break, we have al nas gourami. Its last orders. And im on the paw with el nas gourami. El nas. You are a adult. Paw with el nas gourami. El nas. You are a adult. Whats it called . Im an adult. Platform expert. Thats what i would say in plain english. So im a bit thick. What does that mean . That means that i support aduu that means that i support adult platforms with all of their marketing requirements. So their marketing requirements. So generally speaking, a lot of these platforms cant take to mainstream forms of marketing. Weve learned how to do that so that they are a part of mainstream publications, and that they get the same kind of viewership that any mainstream platform would get. So this is sex were talking about. Is it talking about porn . Is it talking about porn . Youre talking about porn. So how do you get into that sort of industry by accident . Okay. It was a complete accidental thing, i had applied for a position and they were really good at hiding what it was without hiding what it was. So i got very curious. And what was the position . And what was the position . The position was head of marketing for a media company, and i was like, okay, lets read more. So i guess this, this sort of conversation is probably something that people will turn their noses up at a little bit. But, you know, in the real world this actually happens, dont it . And theres a big market for it. Its a huge market. Were talking billions and trillions. And outside of that, i think, you know, if you turn your nose to porn, you dont know enough of whats going on in the world to have enough opinions about things. So, yeah , well, weve things. So, yeah, well, weve seen in where i work across the road in parliament, has been people, actually caught watching porn on their, on their laptops in the house of commons. I would choose quite boring in there. Oh, speak for yourself. I quite enjoy it, to be honest with you. But yeah, i mean, but theres a time and a place i agree, i agree there is a time and place and i mean, its a little uncouth to do it whilst youre working, but it is what it is. Okay. So you, you came to this country from canada . I did, yeah. Three years ago. Yeah. But you didnt always live in canada . No i didnt, you lived in germany before then. Correct. And then you came from where did you come from . Iran. Iran . Yeah. So iranian born canadian. We lived in germany for five years as refugees and then found our way to settle to canada. Always wanted to be in the uk, london specifically. So for me it was really a life changing moment when i was able to do that. So tell me about why your parents decided to leave iran as refugees. What led to that . The 1979 revolution. So, at the time, my parents really were trying to figure out how to get out for both my sister and i. We were the only two then, and at the time that i was born, an opportunity came for my dad for us to flee. And they did. They took it at the first chance they could. Wow. Yeah. And so do you speak german . I dont, i speak fluent farsi and english. A little bit of french here and there, but german. I hated my time there. See, this is a thing, you know, at the moment, were having this debate in this country about the illegals crossing the, the English Channel every single day, which are which really riles me because we do have genuine people around the world that need our help, that we need help, you know, to look after genuine refugees, genuine asylum seekers. How do you feel about the people coming over the channel . You must see it on the tv. I do see it w. I do see it on tv. I do see it on the w. I do see it on the tv. I tv. I do see it on the tv. I know people whove helped them. I go on my genuine feeling is this imagine the desperation you must feel to put yourself through that kind of experience to get out of where you are. Yeah, i think france is safe. Yes. So i think france is safe. Yes. So i think france is safe. Yes. So i think there are instances where if you are in a position where youre coming across and its not dire, you should try the legal route. Yeah. Its fair to legal route. Yeah. Its fair to everybody involved. So did your family go through the legal 100 . 100 . Okay. You see, im all for that. Im all for going through the legal route. It took us a while, but, i mean, to get into. Ill be honest, im not sure how they did the germany iran thing. I was so young, but iran, germany to canada was legal. Okay, okay. So i guess, you know, growing up in iran under a different regime , going to germany, a regime, going to germany, a different culture, and then canada, a different culture again, and then coming to the best city in the world. Agreed . Agreed, agreed. Why london . Why not nottingham just said, you said its the best city in the world. You said it. You said it. There. Its just the best city. It is the best city in the world. There is nothing you cant have in london, nothing you cant do in london. I think everyone here represents something so different. Its the most unique place. And have you ever poured a pint before . I have. I have. Have you worked in a pub . Have you worked in a pub . Have you worked in a pub . Not in a pub. Not in a pub. Okay, so are we going to, were going to get vanessa back behind the bar because were going to go on the pool now. Its quite simple, ill give you a pint , pop. Its quite simple, ill give you a pint, pop. Elenas. Lets do it. And youve got to do that. Okay in 30s. You want to come around here . Vanessa this . Oh, its looking a bit frothy on us. Is it me or is it the froth . Is it me or is it the froth . Listen, a bad workman blames the tools. Thats always a case of that. Yeah. I mean, i think you need to tilt the glass a little bit more towards a little bit more. Okay. Towards me . Yeah. Trying but its all froth. No. What . We need it. We need to fill the glass. Please yeah, were gonna have to give it a second, so. No, no, theres no second chance. Thats it. And you can just plonk it on the bar. Utlu. Its all. Its all froth on the bar. And now youre gonna have to reveal something. Now elnaz. Okay . Youre gonna have to reveal your true height if you just step down. One minute down. All right . Okay. I mean, this isnt my true height. And here, vanessa, another pint pot. And bear in mind that elenas has got it. How high are your eels . They are seven inches tall, vanessa. Looks like yours is all froth too. Its the machine, isnt it . Its the. Its the end of the barrel, i think. Its not. Its not. I think youre scraping the barrel without comment, so come on. More froth. Thats it , thats it. And ill thats it, thats it. And ill have a go as well. Ill have a go. Okay. And if. All right, well see, well see, well see. So i mean its come on and its on the bar just to prove pathetic. That one is. Lets have a look. Lets have a go. Oops. Is this barrel i told you . Yeah. See yeah. See well, lets have a look thats quite drinkable. That is. I feel like mine. Thats the drinkable. Yeah. Thats yours. Yep thats yours. Yep when you want to mark that out of ten, well, its half full, so five, five. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Elenas. Thats. Thats mine. Do you want to mark mine one . Really . Yeah. And thats vanessa. Joanna. Mark. Joanna. Mark. Vanessa. Vanessa. Vanessa, im going to give you a solid three, so thatll do you. Absolutely look at that. Absolutely. Absolutely. We spoke earlier about your career in the Prison Service vanessa i suppose at one time there were some of these scoundrels that you were looking after that were brewing. This sort of stuff, werent they . Yeah. Yeah. And popularly known as hooch. Hooch . Yeah. Its, its like a home brew that they, they get bred, which theyre given at tea time, you mix it with sugar water, an orange or a anything sort of citrusy. Sort of citrusy. And, where did they put this stuff . Well, usually they get, like, squashed bottles, that sort of thing , fill it up with the thing, fill it up with the stuff, top it up with water, shakeit stuff, top it up with water, shake it up, leave it behind a radiator, to mature, its dreadful stuff, you know, it can make you go blind, can kill you, gives you the strength of ten men or ten women. Does it . Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Its makes jul in shops. No, for that very reason, you know, its really nasty stuff. And i was happy when , scrubs had and i was happy when, scrubs had the first ever hooch dog, trained at, called archie a to spaniel sniff out and search. Search for specifically for hooch. Like the signs of that. Are you a drinker . I am a drinker. I am a drinker. Yeah, yeah. You like the signs of a bit of hooch . Absolutely not. Okay so its been great, guys. What a fantastic show. Again fantastic story about where youve come from and where youve come from and where youve ended up. Are you going to stay in london . I am staying in london. This is home. Im vanessa. Any more books, never say never. Lee, what was your last one called . The guvnor, guvnor. The guvnor, guvnor. And army sales. Has that made around . Well, i dont know specifics. Well, i dont know specifics. I dont deal with that sort of side of it. Or a top selling author. Or a top selling author. Sunday times top five. Sunday times top five. I love to look at that. I love to look at that. Sunday times top five. Thats on the pool. Thats last orders with elenas and vanessa. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thank you, thank you for watching Lee Andersons real world. Its been another cracking show. And look, weve got a high alert with elenas true idea. The heels she was wearing earlier, a good seven inches. They are. But coming up next, weve got friday night live with mark dolan. Mark, whats occurring . Occurring . Good afternoon britain. Good afternoon britain. Good afternoon britain. Good afternoon britain. Good afternoon britain. Good afternoon britain. Weekdays from midday we bring you the most compelling stories from across the United Kingdom and why it matters to you. From your doorstep to our inbox. Thats right. We want to hear from you. Good afternoon, ona on a nice sunny evening. From the World Headquarters of gb news. This is friday night live with mark dolan. The weekend starts here, so bring your own drinks. The admission is free on tonights show. Can labour stop tonights show. Can labour stop the boats with yet another tory defection . Is the labour party now becoming too right wing . Also is piers morgan wrong to keep putting Vulnerable Women on tv as astrazeneca admits dangerous side effects and pull their product globally . Have the anti vax answers been proved right all along . And as as he is reduced to tears in nigeria, is king charles right to give prince harry a bit of tough. Love . To fall out over those topics and many more. Tonight, my friday team, the wisest young person in britain, political commentator reem ibrahim, ex bbc local radio icon. He was lucky to get out alex dyke and world renowned business guru. The dnnks renowned business guru. The drinks are on him. Doctor roger gewolb. So my friday feeling gewolb. So my friday feeling monologue is coming. Can labour monologue is coming. Can labour stop the boats . My verdict after the News Headlines with someone youll never stop. Youll never stop. Mark, thank you very much. And good evening from the newsroom just after 8 00. The top story tonight, a man who led an Armed Robbery during which a Police Officer was shot dead, has been sentenced today to a minimum of 40 years behind bars. 38 year old pc Sharon Beshenivsky was fatally shot when she interrupted the raid in bradford, nearly 20 years ago. 75 year old Piran Ditta Khan fled to pakistan three months after her death and spent 15 years on the run. Three other men are already in prison for beshenivsky murder. Murder beshenivsky murder. Murder retired detective chief superintendent andy brennan described ditta khan as a violent man. The reason why hes here at 75 years of age is on the basis that he decided to flee the country in order to try and make good his escape and avoid being held responsible and accountable for his part in what had taken place. And lets be absolutely place. And lets be absolutely clear, he is clearly