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And. Well, what happens next . But before we get started, lets get your latest news with tatiana sanchez. Gnaana. Thank you. The top stories this hour. Up to 50 migrants were rescued in a dramatic race against the tide after their boat ran aground on after their boat ran aground on a sandbank off the kent coast. Gb news captured this exclusive video of the migrant arrivals. The small boat ran aground this morning on goodwin sands. No one is believed to have been injured. The incident comes as gb news can reveal the numbers crossing illegally from france have now passed 7000 for the yeah have now passed 7000 for the year. So far, at least five small boats have made it to uk waters so far today , carrying waters so far today, carrying more than 250 migrants. Humza yousaf is said to be asking leaders of other parties to find Common Ground with him, as he ianes Common Ground with him, as he invites them to talks at his official residence to see how they can work with his minority government. The Scottish First government. The Scottish First minister says he will not resign as leader ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week, and is now reportedly attempting to build bridges with other political leaders at holyrood. Mr yousaf has told reporters it would be a poor choice for the scottish greens to back the motion of no confidence in him. He hopes to hold separate meetings with each group at bute house in edinburgh to discuss how they can contribute constructively. Letters were reportedly sent to the scottish conservatives, scottish labour, the scottish greens and the alba party last night. This all comes after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens on thursday. Thousands of thursday. Thousands of pro Palestinian Protesters are marching in Central London, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. The pro palestine protest group Palestine Solidarity Campaign says the event is in response to israels brutal attack on gaza. Israels brutal attack on gaza. Former labour leader Jeremy Corbyn was among those holding banners at the front of the crowd. The march passed a fixed pro israeli demonstration on pall mall peacefully. Meanwhile a Demonstration Organised by the campaign against anti semitism was also due to take place today, but that was cancelled yesterday as organisers said the safety of jews was at risk following threats made. More following threats made. More than 20 sexual predators have been jailed for exploiting young girls in West Yorkshire involving abuse described as abhorrent in the extreme. The 24 men have been jailed for a total of 346 years, following prosecutions by operation tor, which is West Yorkshire polices investigation into the rape, sexual abuse and trafficking of eight girls between 1999 and 2012. Four of the men convicted in the series of trials received sentences of more than 20 years. A british tourist is in intensive care after being attacked by a shark on a canbbean attacked by a shark on a caribbean island. The 64 year old is receiving Critical Care after serious injuries to his left arm , his left leg and left arm, his left leg and stomach, according to a local official. He is said to be stable and doing well. The attack happened at turtle beach along great colwyn bay in trinidad and tobago yesterday morning. Several beaches along the northwestern coast of the island have now been closed. The Foreign Office says its supporting the victims family. And a gold pocket watch that was recovered from the body of the richest man on the titanic will be auctioned today in wiltshire. It could fetch £150,000. Businessman John Jacob Astor, who was 47, went down with the ship in 1912 after seeing his wife madeline onto a lifeboat. Rather than try his own luck with another lifeboat. The impeccably dressed businessman, a prominent member of the wealthy astor family, was last seen smoking a cigarette and chatting with a fellow passenger. For the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. Or you can go to gb news. Common alerts. Now its news. Common alerts. Now its back to. Nana. Back to. Nana. Thank you tatiana. Its just coming up to six minutes after 3 00 and its time to mock the week. And what a busy one its been. Humza. Useless i want to laugh. Hes actually worse than everything in westminster. We should have known that we were in for a rough ride. Thats him falling off a scooter. Thats just as embarrassing as the time when i was jumping up and down for a photo shoot. And my big curly wig that i was wearing got caughtin curly wig that i was wearing got caught in one of the spokes and the lighting umbrella. Remember this . The white speech. This . The white speech. The 99 of the meetings i go to, im the only non white person in the room. The lord president white, the lord justice clerk white, every High Court Judge white, the lord advocate white, the solicitor general, white, the chief constable white, every deputy chief constable white, every assistant chief constable white, the head of the law society. The head of the law society. White. The head of the faculty of advocates. White every prison governor white. That is. Well, what did he expect in a 95 white country . Hes had a utany 95 white country . Hes had a litany of failures, starting with deciding to continue with nicola sturgeons gender recognition reform bill, which was the catalyst for her departure under it, anyone from age 16 can legally change their sex without any medical supervision. No one would possibly take advantage of that. Surely not. Oh, it will never happen. Double rapist isla bryson, aka adam graham in a womens prison. Ridiculous. Humza hate crime bill has been a disaster that saw him being reported as dishing out the most hate. And this wonderful woman, morag, a 75 year old, being arrested, took me to Kilmarnock Police station, which is about 25 minutes away and. Sorry nana. Sorry nana. Thats all right, moray. There must have been so traumatising. And now hes ditched the relationship with the greens. Ditched the relationship with the greens. His ditched the relationship with the greens. His political career the greens. His political career literally rests in the balance of alex salmond. And with of alex salmond. And with scotlands drug deaths being worst in europe alongside problems with education, housing and poverty, useless just rolls off the tongue where humza is concerned in other news, rwanda is in everyones is on everyones lips. It seems the everyones lips. It seems the french are stepping up after five people died. One of whom was a seven year old girl, when the people smugglers boat that she was travelling in was effectively hijacked by other migrants , the french can no migrants, the french can no longer sit by and just allow people to leave the uk, leave for the uk and this bbc question time clip went viral. No i think theres an exclusion on people from rwanda being sent to from rwanda. Theyre from congo, theyre from congo, and theyre supposedly from congo. Theyre supposedly from congo. Theyre supposedly war in these people from rwanda are they then going to be sent to rwanda if they came here on a crossing from from congo . Yeah. Yeah. Would people be sent from. Well, miranda is a different country, congo, isnt it . Its a different country. It is. Yes, definitely. Youre saying if they come from a war zone in congo, would they then be sent to rwanda . They then be sent to rwanda . Its quite simple. Stay in the safety of france, then i wrote a piece about it in the daily mail. The objection to rwanda , in my view, was rwanda, in my view, was bordering on racism. Plus, this week horses bolted and no one could shut the door as these most beautiful creatures went on a rampage through london after being spooked by a loud bang. It actually highlighted the plight of these poor animals who, it would appear, are not housed in the best of condition. Why do we the best of condition. Why do we even need to keep them for this . Weve got tanks and i, weve got a gorgeous picture of prince louis as well. He turned six this week. Its such a wonderful age. I know because i have a six year old. Theyre very , very year old. Theyre very, very cute. And meanwhile, the princess of wales, catherine, became the first member of the royal family appointed to the order of the companions of honoun order of the companions of honour. She was honoured by the king for her outstanding public service. I think meghan is still fumbling around with some jam somewhere and the king has announced two dates which will see him back in action. His doctors appear pleased with his progress. Its been a mucky old week. So coming up, well be making light of this weeks top stories in mock the week. Then at 320, its the round table discussion. Are the lords racist for insisting that rwanda isnt a safe country . Obviously not all of them, but they were saying that it wasnt. Then at 335, imagine having a vaccine for cancer. Doctor Renee Hoenderkamp will be live to discuss the latest medical breakthrough, which is could be a real hope for cancer, for a cure, for cancer. Then joining me to shine a light in the political hot seat today is a brave woman turned campaigner who went viral for going public about her sexual abuse as a child. Emma jane taylor is my political spotlight at 345 now. Thats all coming up in the next houn thats all coming up in the next hour. Tell me what you think on everything were discussing. Go to gbnews. Com forward, slash your say or tweet me gbnews as. Your say or tweet me gbnews as. Welcome aboard. If you just tuned in, just coming up to ten minutes after 3 00, im nana akua. Were live on tv , online akua. Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. Still loads more to come here in this houn loads more to come here in this hour. But joining me to mock the week. God, theyre very high up. Week. God, theyre very high up. Put your chairs down. Im just tall. Its Diane Spencer and ben leo. Look at that. Do them. So hang on. So should we try and do a synchronised lower one and do a synchronised lower one and lower weight and lower. Oh, this is not good. Right. So listen, i talked about humza yousaf. Humza yousaf. He fell off that scooter , hes just off that scooter, hes just making a mess of everything, isnt he . Isnt he . Hes my favourite clown in the Scottish Parliament. I mean, considering all the scottish comedy acts we have, like frankie boyle, hes up there with the top of them right how. Now. Youve got to admit, its quite funny. Its a good achievement. But the. There was a great piece in the. There was a great piece in the times this morning saying, look, the word on the street in holyrood is humza yousaf. Hes a perfectly nice guy, but its just intellectually not there and he hasnt got the gravitas or the presence to be, you know, a decent Scottish First minister. And its not just this situation with the greens thats failed him. This goes back to his, gender recognition act. It goes back to which westminster torpedo. By the way. Then we had torpedo. By the way. Then we had the hate crime act, another one of his, you know, flag flying policies, which, you know, jk rowling absolutely destroyed within hours of it, going live by listing off all those trans , by listing off all those trans, sexual offenders and saying, come on then , police come and come on then, police come and get me. They didnt do it, which rendered the whole thing , you rendered the whole thing, you know, a laughing stock. And then, of course, this road back with the, net zero. And you know what humza yousaf did in the days after rishi sunak announcing the uk would be, watering down its net zero policies, he did a video. The virtuous man. He is looked down the barrel of the camera and said, this is unforgivable. You said, this is unforgivable. You are sentencing, you are sentencing the earth to climate doom. And he does the same thing. Hes just a massive hypocrite and hes useless, i mean, you know, make sure that you get off the fence at some point, i think its really funny that hes written like secret letters. Well, theyre not letters. Well, theyre not secret because we know about them to all the other parties, and theyre saying, so, guys, i guess youre all going to agree with me now, right . Look, ive ditched the greens. Its like you cant pin all of the snps failings on the coalition with the greens. And i feel like hes the greens. And i feel like hes trying to do that, which is why i feel hes drawn together, this secret cabal where hes going to sort of try and bribe them, but i think they can see him coming a mile away. Hes just not very good, is he . I mean, i think hes just not very clever, which is quite sad, but he has exposed himself to be a bit daft, what about chris philp . Now, i dont know whether you saw it, diane, but the. Yes. What do you think . Look, i actually feel that he was he was kind of he was slightly trapped because the question was worded in a very tncky question was worded in a very tricky way. So. And i could see how he slightly misunderstood and couldnt see what was going on. I could see how he misunderstood it. I think he did put his like, foot in his own face when he did say out loud on television, they are two separate countries, right . I was like, no sweetie, you keep that thought to your inside voice. You dont say that one out loud, no. I felt like that was rhetorical, though. I thought you were saying that they. Yeah, it clearly it was a bit of a gaffe, but i think he was just thinking out loud in his head, and hes kind of. I dont think he was asking a genuine question. Theyre two separate countries, right . I think hes just its kind of how you do in conversation. I cant give an conversation. I cant give an example, but i know what you mean. Its like a filler in a conversation where youre saying its two, two different countries, right . And of course, people on the left will jump on that and make out some sort of thicker, as if youve got a government minister of his standard who doesnt know the congo and rwanda and who different countries, i mean. Well, it was the way they were attacking him, i think that he was confused because sometimes when people do that, you then second guess yourself. Now, listen, im not defending him. I thought that his performance wasnt great. I could have done we had all done a betterjob could have done we had all done a better job than that. Could have done we had all done a betterjob than that. But could have done we had all done a better job than that. But the point was, i just dont really like the way they jumped on top of it, because there should be more concerned about people dying crossing the channel, which was part of the story the guy was telling, but nobody was outraged at that at all. Well, its interesting. I think theyve taken his gaffe to sort of pull focus away from the argument and instead of sort of looking at the arguments that were being put forward, theyre saying, look at this guy. Hes really thick. The rest of the policy cant possibly work. Like you say. Its maybe a bit of a smokescreen. I still think that smokescreen. I still think that it was. I still think you are being very generous. No, no, no, he gave he gave them an open goal. Yeah. He. Yeah. Yeah. He. Yeah. He made a he made an error. He gave them an open goal and they blasted it in, and yeah, i mean they scored the hat trick. Why not . And what about the horses on the rampage . I felt horses on the rampage . I felt sorry for them. They were so beautiful. And the little black one and the white one. Stunning. Oh, my gosh. I mean, it would have been a beautiful, epic scene had not the white horse had hit a bus. That was that. I mean, like all the footage that weve had, weve had to kind of piece it together from all the different people witnessing it. I mean, if we could put some epic music to it, id kind of enjoy the footage until the white horse got injured. Weve not had an update, have we . On the horses situation . We . On the horses situation . Yeah, the white ones in a bit of trouble and. Oh, really . Whats the latest . Well, as far as i hear, hes not doing too well. The others are okay, by the looks of it, i love horses. Some people online were saying it was like, apparently theres some biblical reference to it about the last days of the, the start of the apocalypse or something. What . Yeah. Funny that if you did, nick something in london and went run around, they still wouldnt be as much footage as there was of that. Do you know what i mean . Theres cameras everywhere. Theres cameras everywhere. Over there, over there, over there. Literally the whole thing is covered up, and we dont really need horses in that way. I think its unfair. No, they they enjoy it. I love horses, im a big horse racing fan. Well, those horses apparently. Yes they are. Yes they are. Theyre putting little small Little Things and not. No, no, of course people are talking about. Ive been listening. About. Ive been listening. Youre not listening. They have to go to the horse gym. They have to work out, like, way more than you do so that they can be big. Butch police , army horses. Police, army horses. We dont need them to do that. Weve got ai and drones. Why do we need horses . And weve got a couple of things left. Royal news, prince louis, his picture. Very cute, wasnt he . Yeah, hes a hes a hes a little sweetheart. And it was interesting to say to see why, why, why wouldnt he be a sweetheart . I mean, because hes royal. I mean, because hes royal. You got to admit, that kid is. I mean, is. I mean, hes not is. I mean, hes not going to be necessarily the easiest kid to get on with. Is he . Why is he . Why you dont know him. You dont know him. He might be quite cantankerous. I dont know him. I dont know him. Im just. Im just making a little guess from his cheeky little guess from his cheeky little face that he looks handful. Oh, he looks gorgeous. Oh, he looks gorgeous. And then im not sure princess kate finally was awarded the. Was it the order of the garter . No, no. Yeah. That was a nice nod from king charles to basically say thank you to kate, the queen consort, camilla and Prince William for sort of stepping in whilst he was dealing with his health troubles. The interesting thing about that picture of louis was, of course, it was unedited, no reference. He only had five fingers. Oh, isnt that amazing . Isnt that amazing . Listen, dan, when are you back . Are you back on tonight . Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Ill probably be on that wonderful youre wonderful programme, the saturday five. I love that programme. And they let me bring props nuts. Wonderful. And also ben are wonderful. And also ben are you doing saturday five today saturday five tonight. Yeah. Its going to be a really good show. Its albies really good show. Its albies off. So the lib dem in disguise has gone for tonight. So its has gone for tonight. So its me, hes a conservative in disguise. Me . Benjamin charlie rowley, Darren Grimes of course. And chloe dobbs. Wonderful. Oh, exciting. Well, listen, stay tuned for the saturday five after my show. Thats at 6 00. This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Coming up Game Changing vaccines, instilling hope that could be. Could we have found a cure for cancer . Next . Do i smell a whiff of racism coming from the house of gb news. Good afternoon. Its fast approaching. 21 minutes after 3 00. If youve just joined me, im nana. Akua, this is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Its. Time now for this weeks its. Time now for this weeks hot topic. And my round table discussion. We dont have a round table, as you know, but thats fine. Its just a suspend the air of disbelief. But this week the lords have been patronising and bordering on racism. Now those are the words of Deputy Foreign secretary andrew mitchell, not mine. And andrew mitchell, not mine. And parliament had been in a deadlock for weeks over the rwanda bill, with peers deeming the country unsafe. The rwanda bill has now become law, but this doesnt mean that we cant reflect on the fact that if rwanda were a british white nafion rwanda were a british white nation or british overseas territory, the government intended to send to small boats to. Would the peers have spoken about rwanda in such a derogatory way . Well, im pleased to say that im joined now by former mp for rochdale, Simon Danczuk and his wife coco danczuk. So thank you very much for joining me. Danczuk. So thank you very much for joining me. Really good to forjoining me. Really good to talk to you both. Thank you for coming in. Coco, you are from rwanda . Yes, im from rwanda. Yes, im from rwanda. Youre listening to a lot of the stuff thats been said about it. Yes, a lot. What are your thoughts on it . I think they are just racist. I think they are just racist. They are just being prejudiced because. Because its just an african country. And then they think they believe what they believe. They want us to run the country as they want us to run, you know, not just like have, you know, not just like have, you know, not just like have, you know, be able as a country to set up the rules and then run the country up, you know. Yeah. Because simon, if you look at the state of london, for example , and youve got mayor example, and youve got mayor khan saying all sorts of things, you cant really walk around london with, with a really expensive watch. People have been warned about it. And this is something that the International Community are talking about. In many respects, rwanda is safer than london. Yeah, absolutely. So it is ironic that people on the left in british politics are, as coco says, are being racist about , are, as coco says, are being racist about, rwanda. Are, as coco says, are being racist about , rwanda. Theyre racist about, rwanda. Theyre running things in Central London and making a mess of it. Its very dangerous in Central London. And comparisons between kigali, the capital of rwanda, and Central London, show that its much safer in kigali. So people on the left being prejudice, criticising rwanda. Prejudice, criticising rwanda. The vast majority have never been there, have no understanding of the country. Thats the reality, its just political point scoring. Thats the reality of it. Thats the reality of it. And they dont want this. They dont want this policy to work because the reality is they support open borders. Thats the reality. Do you thats the reality. Do you think of the political situation . Yeah, absolutely. Labour have said that they will even if this policy is successful, they will repeal it. Whats the logic in that . We have far too many Illegal Immigrants coming into britain. And yet labour would repeal a policy if its found to be working. Why would they do that unless they supported open borders or unless theyve got an alternative, which im not heanng alternative, which im not hearing much from . And also , a third country and also, a third country will always need to be part of the equation anyway. Right . Because we dont have room in this country. And also if people dont have anywhere to go or we dont have anywhere to go or we dont know where they are from , dont know where they are from, then and they want to claim asylum and their asylum claim fails , then theyll need to go fails, then theyll need to go somewhere. Now. Coco in terms of rwanda and, you know, talk to me about what it was like when you were living there, because i know youre back in the uk now. What was it like when you were living there . I mean, was there lots of Violent Crime and was it . And how has the country recovered since the genocide . Recovered since the genocide . Many, three decades ago . I mean, thats the other thing that, like its 30 years ago now, like the rwanda is completely changed. Its economic developing and i think the country is like the, the, the country is like the, the, the way the country is now is it speaks itself. And then i grew up there. My family is still there. I have my business there. And the whole country is very beautiful. Its very safe , no beautiful. Its very safe, no crime. They take zero tolerance on crime. There is no corruption there. Theres gender balance. So what else people do they want . Well, exactly. Because i mean, if you take its very beautiful country. I mean, its famous for its gorillas and its the they say its the jewel of africa and its a very progressive moving forward country. And im wondering what the actual legal aspects of it were and why the lords felt that they should continue to sort of disrupt it. So id like to bring in specialist immigration lawyer ivan samson. Hi, in specialist immigration lawyer ivan samson. Hi, nana. In specialist immigration lawyer ivan samson. Hi, nana. Ivan, ivan samson. Hi, nana. Ivan, thank you so much for joining me. Now now, ivan, this the rwanda bill is finally passed , rwanda bill is finally passed, my question is, wont we end up with the same legal challenges as we did before it anyway . And as we did before it anyway . And so well be back to square one. Is there any chance , is it is there any chance, is it likely to ever actually happen . Will people ever be sent there . Well, look, the bill itself, it actually removes the section two, Section Three of the human rights act. Thats the first thing. So it applies the sections of the human rights act in which we have to , in which in which we have to, in which european law and the case law of the European Court of human rights is directly effective into our domestic legislation. Into our domestic legislation. So what the government has done is through the back door, got rid of the echr rules, but can i just come back on the issue about israel under a safe country . Its irrelevant, the issue of whether iran is a safe country is not what the Supreme Court judgement said , i bet ill Court Judgement said, i bet ill be surprised. I mean, maybe im wrong, but as simon read the Supreme Court judgement. Supreme Court Judgement. Simon. Simon. No, i havent read it in detail. No, but it doesnt apply detail. No, but it doesnt apply now because the new legislation dismisses that they have a partnership between rwanda and britain that says we will not pass, refugees to on a third country so that that sorts out the Supreme Court ruling in actual fact. Well, let me tell you about the Supreme Court ruling about is rwanda safe country . Its irrelevant. Its not whether you can have a nice holiday in rwanda. What the crime rate in rwanda. What the crime rate in rwanda is. We dont, frankly, not interested in that. What the Supreme Court said in paragraph 149 was the policy of sending people to rwanda is unlawful. Thats what the Supreme Court said. And the reason it said there was twofold. One was the principle of non refoulement. Principle of non refoulement. Thats the first thing that they cant take guarantees. From a cant take guarantees. From a dictator like paul kagame and his dictator government, or whether theyre going to refer people to elsewhere. Thats the first point. The second point was that rwanda doesnt have the administration, the systems in place to even consider asylum applications. Place to even consider asylum applications. Id love to do a test on the rwandan civil service, on the refugee convention, and see how they get on with that, because how come the un then rid of people . But over here you have to consider their asylum applications properly in accordance with the law. Now, Supreme Court said theyre not ready to do that yet i yeah, but but ivan, the thing that the lords keep coming back on, first of all, is the thing about the afghan refugees , they about the afghan refugees, they were worried that there wasnt any provision for them , but any provision for them, but there already is anyway. But they were concerned about that because they didnt want the afghan refugees to be sent to rwanda. But the other point that they came back to was definitely about rwanda being a safe country. That was definitely those were the two issues that they had with this. Im trying to say people dont really understand the judgements of the courts, and this is a problem. Its not this is a problem. Its not a question of is it a safe country 7 question of is it a safe country . What the Supreme Court said the policy of sending people to rwanda, thats unlawful because the principle of non refoulement , thats whats unlawful. Now, can i just say about the interim ruling, youre going to get applications in the European Courts , injunction applications, courts, injunction applications, interim rulings, rule. 39. Interim rulings, rule. 39. Applications are going to theyre no doubt going to go in now. Theyve disapplied section now. Theyve disapplied section two and three of the human rights act the bill amend. Ive never seen a government ever do that before. Theyve even said it doesnt comply with the obugafions it doesnt comply with the obligations under the european convention. And then youre going to get the secular states going to get the secular states going to get the secular states going to have to make a decision to overrule the interim 39 judgements. I mean, youre basically preaching international law. Well, can i get a simon, simon, ivan keeps going on about the Supreme Court decision thats been overruled now by parliament. And its parliament that determines the law in this country, not lawyers and judges. And thats why ivan and other lawyers are now crying into their tea, because the power that they once had has been taken away from them. And its taken away from them. And its government politicians, quite rightly, people in parliament who are making the final decision on this issue and we will now see Illegal Immigrants sent to rwanda once and finally. And lawyers can stop interfering in our legal in our parliamentary system. Thats the reality. And thats why hes upset about it. Upset about it. No, im not upset. But sunak saying black is white and white is black. So as a human being, ive got to accept that because hes got a majority in the house of commons, no human rights laws. Parliament does not have a will to override fundamental human rights laws, but it doesnt. Doesnt. And that would be that would be fine. But universality in them you cannot but lets be honest, override human rights law. But lets be honest, ivan, the un used rwanda as a as a as a safe place for people to be sent there. So will they do, dont they . So on that point, they do on that point they they do. Yes. The un sent people from libya. Libya. Do you know who they sent . Well, people who voluntarily go there. Yeah. You see, if you voluntarily go to rwanda. Well, yeah. But the fact is they do still. But but, ivan, they do still. But but, ivan, sorry, were running out of time. Its been really good to talk to you, but the bottom line is they do still go there, though. And so rwanda, in my view, is, is just as good as anywhere else. Im legal. Thank you very much. And simon you very much. And Simon Danczuk, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Right. So what do you think . Crikey, youre with me. Im nana akua. This is gb news on tv, onune akua. This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Coming up, well be discussing whether rwanda is in fact a safe country. And ive got my monologue on the way on this. Well, i mean, random is a different country, congo, isnt it . Its a different country. It is. Yeah ill be telling you why. I think mp chris philp was misunderstood in many ways. But first, here are your latest news headunes first, here are your latest News Headlines with radisson. Thanks. Nana 331. Our top stories up to 50 migrants have been rescued in a dramatic race against the tide after their boat ran aground on a sand bank off the kent coast. Gb news captured this exclusive footage of the migrant arrivals. The of the migrant arrivals. The incident happened this morning on goodwin sands. No one is thought to be injured. At least five small boats have made it to uk waters so far today, carrying more than 250 migrants. Gb news can reveal the number of people crossing illegally from france this year has now passed 7000. Humza yousaf is asking leaders of rival parties to find Common Ground with the snp, as his leadership hangs in the balance. Hes inviting them to talks at his official residence to see how they can work with his minority government. Letters were reportedly sent to the scottish conservatives, scottish labour and scottish greens and the alba party last night. The Scottish First minister says he will not resign ahead of a crunch vote on his leadership next week. Thousands of next week. Thousands of pro Palestinian Protesters. Have pro Palestinian Protesters. Have been marching in Central London calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. The pro palestine protest group Palestine Solidarity Campaign says the event is in response to israels brutal attack. The march past a fixed pro israeli demonstration on pall mall peacefully. Meanwhile, peacefully. Meanwhile, a Demonstration Organised by the campaign against anti semitism was cancelled as organisers said the safety of jews was at risk and a british tourist is in intensive care after being attacked by a shark in the canbbean attacked by a shark in the caribbean yesterday morning. The caribbean yesterday morning. The 64 year old is said to be stable despite serious injuries to his left arm, his left leg and his stomach. The attack happened at stomach. The attack happened at turtle beach along Great Courland Bay in trinidad, trinidad and tobago. The Foreign Office says its supporting the victims family. Office says its supporting the victims family. Well, for the victims family. Well, for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common shirts, back now to. Nana. Thank you ray. Still to come, emily Emma Jane Taylor will be in the political hot seat to shine a light on sexual abuse in my political spotlight. But next, doctor Renee Hoenderkamp with the latest medical breakthrough. A potential cancer vaccine. Dont go anywhere good afternoon. Its just coming up to 38 minutes after 3 00. Im nana akua. Were live on tv, nana akua. Were live on tv, onune nana akua. Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. This is gb news. Dont forget, you can also download the gb news app. Its completely free. But now the worlds first personalised mrna cancer jab for melanoma, which also has the potential to stop lung , bladder potential to stop lung, bladder and kidney cancer. Its being tested in british patients and melanoma, which is a type of skin cancer that can spread to other parts of the body, and it affects around about 132,000 people a year globally. Now, experts have reportedly held its Game Changing potential to permanently cure certain types of cancer. So joining me now to discuss this exciting news is the world renowned doctor and tv presenter, doctor Renee Hoenderkamp. Do you like that . Hoenderkamp. Do you like that . Thats a very grand now. Exactly. Exactly. Are you . I think people would are you . I think people would argue with that. Well, if youre in more than one country, you can say, well, yeah, absolutely. So what is this . As big as it sounds, i think it potentially is. I mean, its very early days. So basically theyve discovered that if they use the same technology that they use for covid and they use some mrna, which is a messenger part of dna , they take your particular cancer , they biopsy it, they cancer, they biopsy it, they take some of the protein on your cancen take some of the protein on your cancer, and they put it back into your cells , and they tell into your cells, and they tell your cells to make that protein. Your cells to make that protein. Theidea your cells to make that protein. The idea is, is that your body then makes antibodies against it. It gets the memory cells, the t cells, the ones we heard about lots in covid. And so then after youve been treated for your cancer , for if any of those cancer, for if any of those cells are still floating around or if any of them start to come back and multiply your own immune system will recognise them from that vaccine, kill it and kill it. Them from that vaccine, kill it and kill it. Now, melanoma is a hideous cancer, and if you get recurrence from any cancer, really, but especially for melanoma, youre going to die. You know its going to kill you. You know its going to kill you. Its not nice. So to have something that might stop that happening, i think is Game Changing. I think, you know, it will change the way that we develop many, many cancer treatments. Its very early treatments. Its very early days. Were years away from seeing this in practice. Theyve seeing this in practice. Theyve not even recruited patients yet onto the trial. But in mice it stops the cancer recurring in 50 of cases. Now 50 is better than 0 or 1. So you know, i think thats really, really encouraging. I think there are a couple of things that were going to need to know as time goes forward. I want to know goes forward. I want to know that the mrna technology is completely safe. And i think that we need some more long term data , which will obviously come data, which will obviously come with these studies, to know that interfering with the dna and rna interfering with the dna and rna in our cells is actually potentially. But we did it with covid. But we did it with covid. We did. And there are oncologists now calling for it to be stopped. The mrna technology. So there is still debate around that. And its i think its good. We need debate , think its good. We need debate, but we need open debate where we really can look. The other thing is going to be cost nana. So were looking with this particular vaccine at £400,000 per patient, but surely the treatment of somebody who has melanoma and all the things that go with it is far more expensive than that, and then the cancer can return. So then youre going to be paying so then youre going to be paying again. Yeah. So this isnt going to stop the cancer in the first place. But this is after but once youve had it then you can use this technology to stop it. So youll still have to have all the treatments to get rid of it. Initially. You will. And then this will hopefully stop recurrence because otherwise youd have to inject it everybody in case they ever got it. And you wouldnt have any sample proteins. You wouldnt have initial dna from you need to do so. Youve got to have the cancer to start with, but, you know, nice guidance which guides our money and how much she spends puts about £30,000 on every life quality , quality of life year quality, quality of life year saved. So whether or not this will fall into it, whether the price will come down as the Research Goes ahead. But certainly i said to you in the break, we are going to have to have some very open and honest conversations with people and say, look, this is your nhs, this is the pot of money. Do you want to do this or do you want to do that . To do that . And the examples you gave were, do you want to do ivf or do you want to stop people from dying from cancer . I think most people know the answer to that. But its a its an individual thing, isnt it . If youre if youre trying for children, then perhaps you might think it is motive. And in an ideal world with a money pot that was there forever, we do everything because wed want everyone to have everything. But i dont think we can. And i think as Technology Advances and we get things like this , its time to things like this, its time to have those debates and time wise. If this were to be successful in terms of human trials, because i presume theyre going to recruit people for trials. Yeah. How long do you think it could be before theyve got to do something . Two years of recruiting and testing and then i think weve got probably about another five years. So youre looking at 7 to 10 years before we see it. But as you and i know those years go by quickly, dont they . I feel like im 25. Im not. Its double that. And some awful isnt it . Renee is when your neck goes, you know its going. Neck goes, you know its going. You just start wearing dresses like this. Well, no, yours look good. Mines got, ive got a thing going on with it. Doctor Renee Hoenderkamp. Thank you very much. Pleasure. Thank you so much. Pleasure. Thank you so much. So there we go. So there is hope. So, you know, i the trials will be coming. Well try and keep you informed if theres any information about those on the way. But coming up, my monologue on humza yousaf useless. Useless. Sort of tricycle that he falls off. But next campaigner Emma Jane Taylor will be in the political hot seat seat to shine a light on sexual abuse in my good afternoon. If youre just tuned in. Where have you been . Im nana akua. This is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. And its time now for my political spotlight. Now, my next guest, Emma Jane Taylor, went viral with her courageous campaign. Not my shame. And last yean campaign. Not my shame. And last year, her campaign really took off when she posted a photo of herself on social media, along with the caption as a 50 year old woman, i finally feel Strong Enough to stand up without shame, fear or embarrassment stuck to me like leeches. Ive turned the tables and can confidently say being violated, mistreated as a child is not my shame. Well, here to discuss her campaign and her story with me is the founder and campaigner for not my shame. Emma jane taylor. Emma, thank you so much for joining me. Thanks, nana. Forjoining me. Thanks, nana. Now we spoke about a year ago. Yes, you were on we had a difficult conversation about it. Yes. Some people may not know your story so briefly. Can you sort of update people on your story . Story . Yeah. So nine year old child is sexually assaulted , that was is sexually assaulted, that was just once. And then around 11 or 12 years old, my father, abandoned me. And that shattered my world, actually. And i think after that loss, i became very vulnerable. All the memory of vulnerable. All the memory of what happened at nine sort of really hit home, and then i was a vulnerable, insecure child looking for any attention, anything to make me feel better. And then a friend of the family turned up and there was a gap, and he became my friend. And it was so nice to have a friend. And, you know, he bought me lovely things. He treated me lovely things. He treated me like a princess. But of course i was being groomed, and that then led to me being physically abused for about the next 3 or 4 years. So there was a chunk of my life there that really was taken from me. And you know, as i went into my late teens, early 20s, it the penny dropped nana, you know, i was really like, okay, this isnt right. Ive been abused, but i didnt know that back then because i was a child. You know, were not developed. And of course, when developed. And of course, when you have Something Like that happen to you, you have a delayed onset of maturity. Anyway, and so , so i went into anyway, and so, so i went into my 20s, i started to seek some help to get me through difficulties because i was suffering with dissociation, maladaptive daydreaming. What maladaptive daydreaming. What does that mean . Maladaptive . Maladaptive . I was just dropping out. I was just not able to focus. I wasnt focusing anywhere. And ocd. I became addicted to drinking. I was taking drugs. I had ocd , i was having night had ocd, i was having night terrors. I was being triggered left, right and centre. And you get to the point you just think icannot get to the point you just think i cannot exist like this. And i didnt at that point think, oh, one day i want to be a campaigner. I actually thought, i just want to feel better than this. I just, this isnt, this isnt a healthy way to exist. I was in the. Im a im a dancer by trade, i work, i was working as a dancer , and, fitness was my as a dancer, and, fitness was my business still is. And i was like, okay, i cannot be doing this to my body. So i went on this to my body. So i went on this journey of therapy. No one knew. I just ran my businesses. Knew. I just ran my businesses. And then i came out the other side and i thought, actually , i side and i thought, actually, i feel a bit of an imposter. Here i am, you know, in my 40s, you know, everyone looks on and i and ive built up my businesses, and ive built up my businesses, and on the outside it looks like im doing really well. But in the inside, i felt like an imposter , and i just wanted to imposter, and i just wanted to do something that could help someone else. So i wrote a book, someone else. So i wrote a book, got my book published, and then lots of things started happening from there. Started speaking more and more, and then suddenly i was like, right, okay, im going to take this seriously. I want to do something good. So i launched my charity, which is got its first Year Anniversary this week and next weekend, and thats project 9010. And thats all about, giving education and safeguard training for children, and i stepped forward and i thought, do you know what . Im going to do something that i need, which is to recognise that this wasnt my shame. So i put on this t shirt and as you said, it went viral. And here we are. And also, well , you caught and also, well, you caught the attention of a great advocate of yours, charlie lawson, who also joins us now. Charlie, thank you so much for joining us here on gb news. So, so you got involved with this campaign, talk to me about why and what youre doing to help emma. Emma. Well, i think first of all, and you will know if you ever put this t shirt on as i did, i escaped by the skin of my teeth. Abuse many, many moons ago. But when i saw aj in in thist shirt, i was very moved with her. Courage. Courage is a big thing for me. And it takes immense courage to put that on, and to talk about it, and it meant an awful lot to me because my wife, debbie, was seriously sexually abused as a child. And so ive been through a journey without an end, actually , with without an end, actually, with debbie, who is now sort of a 90 control of her emotions. She wasnt when i first met her. And it knocked me sideways, but i we had to learn to deal with it together. So, although i have not been sexually abused, it was very close, and i got away with it by the skin of my teeth, my darling wife was us, and i have every respect for her. Of course , but especially for aj as well, because, you know, shes battled an awful long way to get where she is. And so im very proud. Never mind , you know, pleased to never mind, you know, pleased to be helping. Im very, very proud to be associated with, emma jane. I mean that most sincerely. Yeah. Well, thats , of yeah. Well, thats, of course, one of the great advocates, charlie lawson, whos been supporting emma throughout. So, emma, talk to me about what youre doing now because its a year since you set this up. So year since you set this up. So talk to me because its going from strength to strength. As more people are hearing about it. Weve got this awareness day next week. So we started putting this message out, not my shame. And a lady called lynn. She wont mind me saying that she put on a t shirt. She went pubuc put on a t shirt. She went public and she stood by me. And then someone saw lynn and they were like, oh, we want to get involved. And the lady called. Jo came forward and suddenly all these survivors came forward, and i felt like we needed to do something to recognise the impact of this conversation, because it is a widespread, hidden horror. Charles sexual abuse takes childhoods and then it affects adults for their life. And so we need to recognise that we need to understand , we need to support understand, we need to support survivors, get this message out, help lead others, understand that this is a serious happening that this is a serious happening thatis that this is a serious happening that is ruining lives. And if you can start supporting survivors, then you see a much more flourishing society. Therefore, then we can protect children, which is my start and finish to all of this. Children, which is my start and finish to all of this. So weve finish to all of this. So weve got a ribbon day next week. Youve got a ribbon as well. Youve got a ribbon as well. Ive got a ribbon. Yes, ive got my ribbon. And this is going to be worn on the 1st of may. This is going to observe the day and it is going to be a minute silence on the day at 12 00. And thatis silence on the day at 12 00. And that is to observe the conversation of child childhood sexual abuse and also the childhoods that have been taken from this horrific abuse. We from this horrific abuse. We have coffee mornings. Were going to be on various radio shows next week. Weve got a rock drop day. I also want to give a shout out to Henley Town Council and chester town council, who are lighting up their town halls white to support the not my shame movement. Theyre also the movement. Theyre also the newgate arch and eastgate clock in chester are going to do that, and thats supported by Samantha Dixon mp emma. If people want to find out more about this, where can they go . Because were running out of time. Okay, not my shame dot global. Everything you need to know is there and everyones welcome to come and join us. Well, listen, emma jane, its really good to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming in and sharing your story. Also to thank you to charlie lawson, whos been fantastic in his support towards you. And stay tuned for us because weve got loads still coming up here on gb news. Coming up, ill be joined by my amazing panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also former labour Party Adviser matthew laza and disability advocate, adventurer and speaker nick wilson joins me in the studio for my difficult conversation. Stay tuned. My monologue is on the way. Why . I think that the outrage at this is completely faux. Well, miranda is a different country, congo, isnt it . Its a different country. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of whether on gb news. Hello. Heres your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. We hold on to mixed weather conditions across the uk over the next few days, all of us seeing some rain at times , often breezy and at times, often breezy and temperatures though starting to recover. Actually becoming fairly warm in places during the middle to second stage of the coming week. Low pressure sitting towards the south of the uk at the moment, thats starting to throw outbreaks of quite persistent rain in across the south and east of the uk as we head through the evening into the overnight period, some of that rain turning quite heavy dunng that rain turning quite heavy during the early hours of sunday, especially ones towards the north and northwest. Its a clearer picture. Showers here starting to ease. Well see a clear spells at times and here will turn quite chilly by sunday morning. Could see a touch of frost in places in rural spots. Temperatures here locally down below freezing, whereas towards the south and east with the wind, cloud and rain around , wind, cloud and rain around, temperatures hold safely above zero into tomorrow. A bit of an east west split developing some heavy outbreaks of rain across eastern parts of the uk. It eastern parts of the uk. 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Youre watching and listening to gb news on tv , online and on to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. More to come in the next hour. My monologue on why i think chris philps comments on newsnight have been gravely vie. But it wasnt newsnight, it was question time, gravely misconstrued hello. Good afternoon, and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua. And on digital radio. Im nana akua. Over the next two hours, akua. Over the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. This show is all about opinion. Its mine, its theirs. And of course its yours. Well be course its yours. Well be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. But no one will be cancelled. So joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour Party Adviser matthew lazar. Still to come. Matthew lazar. Still to come. Yusuf has fallen off his scooter. Is he the match in the powder barrel for the snp and Scottish Independence . Later . Ill speak to a brave, wheelchair bound veteran looking to climb Mount Snowdon this year. And. Well, what happens next . Before we get started , lets get before we get started, lets get your latest news with ray addison. Addison. Thanks, nana. Its 4 00. Our top stories at the top of the houn top stories at the top of the hour. Two men have been arrested at a pro palestine protest in london. Police say one of them was holding a placard with a swastika , and the other made swastika, and the other made a racist remark towards counter protesters. The event, counter protesters. The event, which was organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, was calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. Part of the ceasefire in gaza. Part of the march took it past a fixed pro israeli demonstration on pall mall. Earlier, a counter Demonstration Organised by the campaign against anti semitism was cancelled as organisers said that the safety of jews was at risk. Up to 50 migrants have been rescued in a dramatic race. Been rescued in a dramatic race. Against the tide after their boat ran aground on a sandbank off the kent coast. Gb news captured exclusive footage of the migrant arrivals. The incident happened this morning on goodwin sands. No one is thought to be injured. At least five small boats have made it to uk waters so far today , carrying uk waters so far today, carrying more than 250 migrants. Gb news can reveal that the number of people who have crossed illegally from france into the uk so far this year has now passed 7000 humza yousaf is asking leaders of rival parties to find so called Common Ground with the snp, as his leadership hangsin with the snp, as his leadership hangs in the balance , hes hangs in the balance, hes inviting them to talks at his official residence to see how they can work with his minority government. The Scottish First minister says he will not resign ahead of a crunch vote on his leadership. Next week comes after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens last thursday. More than greens last thursday. More than 20 sexual predators have been jailed for exploiting young girls in West Yorkshire involving abuse described as abhorrent in the extreme. Some abhorrent in the extreme. Some 24 men have been sent down for a total of 346 years as part of operation torbay. West yorkshire polices investigation into the rape, sexual abuse and trafficking of eight girls between 1999 and 2012. Four of the men received sentences of more than 20 years. A british tourist is in intensive care after being attacked by a shark in the caribbean yesterday morning. The 64 year old is said to be stable despite serious injuries to his left arm, left leg and stomach. The attack happened at turtle beach along great Cleveland Bay in trinidad and tobago. The Foreign Office says its supporting the victims family and a gold pocket watch recovered from the body of the richest man on the titanic is being auctioned today in wiltshire. Its expected to fetch as much as £150,000. Businessman John Jacob Astor was 47 when he went down with the ship in 1912. After making sure that his wife, madeleine, was on a lifeboat rather than attempt to get on one himself. The impeccably dressed businessman man was last seen smoking a cigarette and chatting with a fellow passenger. Well, for the fellow passenger. Well, for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts back now to. Nana. To. Nana. Thank you. Ray, youre with me. Im nana akua. This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Its just coming up to five minutes after 4 00. Oh, the faux outrage over this. I come from a neighbouring country called congo. If you know, geographically, thatis if you know, geographically, that is located right next door to rwanda. And right now in goma, theres a genocide going on, and theres such a big conflict going on with people from rwanda. So had my family members come from goma on on the crossing right now, would they then be sent back to the country that theyre supposedly wore in rwanda . Does that make any sense rwanda . Does that make any sense to you . No, i think theres an exclusion on people from rwanda being sent to from rwanda. Being sent to from rwanda. Theyre from congo, from congo, and theyre supposedly from congo. Theyre supposedly war in these people from rwanda. Are they then going to be sent to rwanda if they came here on a crossing from from congo . Yeah. Would people be sent from. Would people be sent from. Would people be sent from. Well, miranda is a different country, congo, isnt it . Its a different country. It is. Yes, definitely. Youre saying if they come from a war zone in congo, would they then be sent to rwanda . They then be sent to rwanda . Seriously . Seriously honestly, a loaded studio audience, horrified at the prospect that an Asylum Seeker from the democratic republic of congo, the drc, flees the safety of france on a dinghy, only to find that he could be sent to rwanda, who were apparently in conflict with his country. Well conflict with his country. Well stay in the safety of france, then , instead of taking a then, instead of taking a perilous crossing which youve needlessly risked your life to take, and only now, when you learn, you could be sent to rwanda, are you worried about losing it so youre not bothered about the dinghy capsizing in the channel where you could die . The channel where you could die . The fate of five migrants this week. 11a7 year old girl. Youre week. 11a7 year old girl. Youre worried about harm in rwanda because she knows that you could end up there if you cross illegally via small boat under this new legislation from the safety of france , stay in safety of france, stay in france, then its a no brainer. Why would you risk your life on an unnecessary, dangerous journey where you could die . If you are genuinely looking for safety, youre already safe in france. Im sorry, but im not france. Im sorry, but im not buying any of this. I suspect the real reason is this the for only me to claim asylum was crossing the channel. You did have other options. You did have other options. No. No. You you you could have. You you you could have. You you you could have. You had asylum in greece. You had asylum in greece. I had asylum in greece. But as i mentioned, nobody wants to live in a tense. Sure exactly. He doesnt want to stay in the tent. So hes leaving greece. The truth is, most cross via dinghy. Most of them are economic migrants. Thats what i suspect. After all, theyve paid over the odds to get here. Frankly, they dont want to live in tents that get this are provided by other European Countries who can blame them . Hotel in the uk or tent in greece. Let me see. Whilst chris philp did not handle that exchange well, hes right. When he said rwanda is a different country and i think he was confused as to why hed received such a harsh response and started to question his own answer. Yes, he should be aware and he should have been aware of any conflict in neighbouring countries. If he wasnt. But as countries. If he wasnt. But as chris phelps said, there is provision for that clause in the legislation that says if somebody would suffer, i think, i think the phrase is serious and irreversible harm by being sent somewhere they wouldnt be sent. So there is that there is that safety mechanism built into the legislation. Exactly. Question answered. Nobodys mentioning that bit, though. Honestly, you cant please all the people all of the time. This only proves one thing that the rwanda deterrent would deter people from the drc. Paying people traffickers to come to the uk from the safety of france via dangerous dinghies. And in fact, i think judging by the overall response to shut this down, rwanda may well have the all round desired effect of making people think twice before they risk their lives to cross the channel from an already safe country, france. Surely nobody wants people to carry on taking this deadly route, which has proven most are economic migrants, and that its an industry which is packed with dodgy lawyers, people traffickers and questionable charities. Andrew mitchell, the Deputy Foreign secretary criticised the lords for their objections to the rwanda bill this week. He said some of the discussions that have gone on in the lords about the traditional arrangements to legal arrangements to legal arrangements with rwanda have been patronising and in my view, border on racism. He called the people smugglers the modern day equivalent of slave traders. But where is the outrage and the bbc audience about the people traffickers who are pocketing billions and risking lives . As far as i could see, nobody batted an eyelid at the prospect of somebody risking their life after paying a trafficker who couldnt care whether they lived or died to come to this country. They were more bothered about whether chris philp knows where the congo is. Where is the outrage for the people in this country waiting months, even years to get treatment because our services are so overstretched , people dying as a overstretched, people dying as a result. What about those deaths . Result. What about those deaths . Many on nhs waiting lists have been on or are tax payers who have contributed to the welfare system of this country for decades, so it would be available to them in their hour of need. Where is the outrage of need. Where is the outrage for the millions that were spending to foot the bill to house channel migrants, which is eating into the foreign aid budget meant to assist poor nations, but instead housing people, many of whom shouldnt be here at all and are economic migrants. Where indeed next migrants. Where indeed next therell be a wave of migrants claiming that theyve come from the drc to avoid being sent to rwanda. It sounds to me like rwanda. It sounds to me like a lot of people are worried about rwanda. It seems there are rwanda. It seems there are people in this country hell bent on finding any way to stop the rwanda scheme from working with no valid alternative. We cannot carry on like this. It is completely unsustainable unless you have a better idea. You have a better idea. I suggest you step back and give rwanda a chance. But before we get stuck into the debate, heres what else is coming up today for the Great British debate this hour. Im asking after the chaotic few days for humza yousaf, is this the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence . Then, at 450, its royal roundup time. Angela levin will be here with the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. Yesterday, Buckingham Palace announced the king will return to public facing duties next week. Then at five, its my difficult conversation. Disability. Advocate, adventurer disability. Advocate, adventurer and speaker nick wilson will be telling us his story of defying physical disability, Mental Illness and suicidal thoughts to climb Mount Snowdon. Now thats coming up in the next hour as even coming up in the next hour as ever. Tell me what you think on everything were discussing. Get in touch gbnews. Com forward slash your say. Cast your vote now. Right. Slash your say. Cast your vote now. Right. Well give you slash your say. Cast your vote now. Right. Well give you the now. Right. Well give you the question in a minute. But right. Lets get started. Welcome again to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour Party Adviser matthew laza. Hello. I didnt do the lala. I didnt do you didnt you know what happened to the lala . I know i was being kind. Youll get one in later. Ill do it in the next hour. Lizzie cundy, what do you think about this . Indeed. Well, chris. Indeed. Well, chris. Philip, what a what a gaffe. It was a bit toe curlingly embarrassing. It was a little bit. It was a little bit. And, it will keep him awake at night there, i have to say. And while hes awake , he could and while hes awake, he could very well sort of squat up on his geography. Very well sort of squat up on his geography. And i think he his geography. And i think he should buy a book from amazon called, geography for dummies, because he should know that. Oh, you can send it to him. Lizzie. Lizzie. No. Do you not think, though, that what he was saying was a rhetorical question because everyone was sort of looking at him going, oh, and so he started saying, and then hes actually telling you that rwanda is a separate country. You couldnt quite understand what was going on. It was he was kind of like thinking aloud. And, look, not every minister can be as sort of sharp and smart, like nigel farage when youre live. But you should know and do your homework and be ready. I think it was a bad gaffe, and we dont want to be looking like were being , you be looking like were being, you know, governed by idiots. Listen, i think his behaviour, i think it was terribly handled, but i think in fairness , the way the question fairness, the way the question was worded was actually a little bit tricky. And he had to rethink it. He should be able to think faster on his feet. But the bottom line is, i think is a rhetorical question. I dont think he was asking a question. I think he was telling the question and confused as to the response he was getting. Well, i mean, its impossible to know because when youre in a situation like that, a bit like, you know, we do here, but at least were not, in front of the question time audience. Question time audience. It can be difficult even to be given the benefit of the doubt. He isnt the sharpest tool in the box. He had to. He was the chief secretary of the treasury, and he made a few gaffes then. And he got he got he got pushed out and hes been demoted. So hes now not in the cabinet level. So, you know, i mean, i think people are making a little bit too much of it, but you know, but we do need a slightly better class of ministers. And to be fair to the tories, there are better people in government than him. But its a testament to their sort of dug a testament to their sort of dug a dug in days that were having that, that hes had to come back having had to be pushed out once for not being too great. I suspect he at least knows what a woman is, though. Yes, so does keir starmer. Yes, so does keir starmer. Now, finally, ive told him that i know he worked it out on his own. Nana youve made really important points. What . The most important points. What . The most important thing is that we stop this criminal activity. We do need of these smugglers who are actually making 183 million a yeah actually making 183 million a year. Weve had 7000 boats up to date this year and 14 deaths. It is disgraceful and disgusting and appalling. And this is what everyone should be in arms about and shouting from. Exactly. See how much , how exactly. See how much, how much has garnered theyve garnered this particular situation. Oh, he looks really situation. Oh, he looks really silly what he said. Yeah, but what about the situation hes talking. Yeah. I mean, thats if they put that much energy into they put that much energy into the situation. Because you nofice the situation. Because you notice when that guy was telling the story about if what his if somebody in his family came to the drc, it was just as a matter of fact, that theyre coming by small boats, as if it was just something you breezed over. And i was like, hold on a minute, because i think the key thing is you say because theyve to get from the drc to the uk, you have to cross through an awful lot of safe countries, and you know, the eu, you know , the eu has the eu, you know, the eu has a perfectly sensible way of doing it. One of the reasons, of course, that people come in small boats is because we have a much higher acceptance rate of people in other countries. We have up to 60. At the moment its about 60. Is the acceptance rate , when in france its about rate, when in france its about 20 something early 20s. And in germany its in the late teens. Well, did you see that guy . Well, did you see that guy . The third layer, do you not see the guy on newsnight though . He said that hes going to hes come from greece, hes going to stay. Hes not going to stay in greece. Hes going to come to uk because he didnt want to be in a tent. I quite fancy a tent in greece actually, in the spring. But not not, i mean, not in a migrant camp, not. But what i say is, what i think is wrong is that the left dont focus enough on stopping the small boats. Now they may say its a perfectly reasonable argument to say you dont think rwanda is going to dont think rwanda is going to do it, but we should all be unhed do it, but we should all be united about wanting to do it. And i think youre right. Sometimes people on the left, the twitter warriors, dont realise that there are people, you know, there are people dying in the channel because theyre getting boats and getting on the small boats and we do that. Im going to we need to do that. Im going to say smash the gangs. Thats labours plan. And to use Anti Terrorism legislation to have a new police force. It wont magic wand, but it wont be a magic wand, but it will announce shame on france. Weve given them, you know, half a billion. What have they done . Absolutely nothing. Its travesty. And gb news revealed this week theyre going to pull people off the beaches. The few people off the beaches. The few people off the beaches. The few people that are on the beaches are going to be going to the paris olympics. Well, i was going to say that if they carry on a difficult couple of months, sorry, im just going to say, look, rwanda has got to happen. It has to happen for rishi. I mean, on my way there, i saw him with a roller tarmacking the floor, the runway for those flights to get off. And it has to happen for his credibility as well, because we want to know what labours going to do. I what labours going to do. I mean, theyll be on the back foot. What are labour. Well, they said theyre going to cancel rwanda. We would cancel it. Well the truth of the matter is the timetable means it will be impossible to tell if its working by then. But the problem is its just its only a couple of hundred people at a time are going to go. Its an expensive going to go. Its an expensive waste, you know. It wont work as a deterrent. Its very disappointing. Its very disappointing. Its very disappointing. It wont work. It wont work. Thats you dont know that and thats not the point. The and thats not the point. The point is that we will need third countries anyway because there will be people who come here who fail asylum and we dont know where theyre from, so theyll need to go somewhere. So rwanda is only one element, just like the policing of smuggling gangs is one element, and it seems to be working for some people. Well, i want to do what i think the what labours focus is and what my personal, what i would do if i was maybe home secretary is to focus on stopping people, even getting to our shores , which is why the our shores, which is why the offshore processing centres, which europe is starting in tunisia and elsewhere in north africa, are actually the long the long term solution. But if we if we can break these criminal gangs, if we can use anti terror legislation, if we can actually do a proper deal in europe to do that final word, and we have to have a deterrent for them not to come over in the first place. And processing this incident today in kent, 250 people have come over once again. This has got to stop. Its got to stop. Yeah, absolutely. I think we disagree over how to do it, but it has got to be on the back foot if we werent on that plane takes off. I mean, what i mean, i think that people think that the public dont think that rwanda is going to work. They think its a colossal waste of money. They would like to see something happen and theyd like to see to give it a chance. If it does or it doesnt work. Rather than people, i think theyd like you to see the claims process, because one of labours key things is to get the claims process. So were not having so were not having at the moment. What happens is people stay here so long, then they get the 60 acceptance rate. You need to get people to turn around. So people who shouldnt be here are sent home. Youre just saying what we know. Youre not saying. The solution. Listen i am no youre not. Youre just literally saying what we all know. Well were not because the government isnt using Anti Terrorism legislation against the gangs. It refuses to do it. It refuses to do it. Listen, the bottom line is this we need to stop those boats. We need to stop people coming. Yes. And that is the bottom line. So back off. Were underwent work. Were underwent work. Back off, chris philp. And if laboun back off, chris philp. And if labour, youve got an option then let us know what your plans are. Right. Youre with me. Im nana akua this is gb news on tv, onune nana akua this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Coming up , online and on digital radio. Coming up, well round up time with angela levin. Shell be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls. But next, the Great British debate this hour. And im asking are after a chaotic few days for humza, useless. Is this the end humza, useless. Is this the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence . Ive got to pull up right now on x asking you that very question. Is this the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence . Tell and Scottish Independence . Tell me what you think. Gbnews. Com yoursay cast your vote now good afternoon. If youre just tuned in. Welcome on board. This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Its just coming up to 22 minutes after 4 00. Im nana akua. Right. So before the nana akua. Right. So before the break, we were discussing the harsh response to chris philps appearance on on on tv. Lets have a quick look at what youve been saying about my monologue. Stacey says if youre being persecuted in congo, surely you would go and stay in the first country. You get to , which would country. You get to, which would not be the uk geographically. Exactly ashley says it is not just about the so called rwanda deterrent. We need a deterrent to stop the economic migrants from coming here. It is obscene that british veterans are homeless and on the streets. Yet we put up channel migrants in four star hotels. Exactly, robert says. We desperately need to get out of the echr and create our own uk bill of rights. I think we have got Something Like that already, but sadly it seems we want to supersede and let others take oven supersede and let others take over. And yet other European Countries will probably ignore certain rulings. But anyway, any hall will carry on with this and ill keep your thoughts coming. Its time now for the Great British debate this hour. After british debate this hour. After a chaotic few days for humza yousaf useless just kind of rolls off the tongue, doesnt it . Is this the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence . Now scotlands first minister has faced crisis, a crisis after one after the other. This was his , loads of other. This was his, loads of things going on with his alliance with the scottish greens falling apart, the conservatives in holyrood tabling a vote of no confidence , tabling a vote of no confidence, and snp revelations with fellow Pro Independence parties in tatters, Humza Yousafs political future is looking very bleak indeed. But despite this, mr yousaf yesterday said that he would not resign and vowed to fight on. I dont think hell have much choice. But today he refused to rule out an early election in scotland. Now the snp have had months of setbacks, with nicola sturgeons absurd gender gender agenda putting a biological male convicted rapist in a female prison being the catalyst for her demise and her successor failed to fix the wounds. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking, is this the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence . Well, to discuss this im joined by former snp councillor austin sheridan, the alba mp neale hanvey, political reporter for the scottish sun , Lewis Mckenzie the scottish sun, Lewis Mckenzie and also the leader of the scottish conservatives on glasgow city council. Thomas kerr, right. So glasgow city council. Thomas kerr, right. So im going to start with, im just going to start with, im just going to start with, im just going to start with you actually austin sheridan, what are your thoughts . Is humza is he toast. Thoughts . Is humza is he toast. Well, i certainly dont think that his political judgement has been the best, over the past few days, i believe hes left the snp in a very difficult position in terms of ending the bute house agreement. I dont necessarily think the problem here, if im being completely honest and, you know, in is less political as possible, i dont think i dont think ending the bute house agreement was necessarily the big problem here. Think it was big problem here. I think it was the that he executed , the the way that he executed, the ending of the bute house agreement. And the reason i mentioned that is because of the arithmetic of the Scottish Parliament and also the, you know, the nature of how the parties engage, engage with each other and the conservatives certainly wont be assisting the snp government in passing budgets and passing legislation. The labour party are fighting for the same ground as the snp in electoral terms, and at the moment theyre feeling a bit more confident because of poland. So they are certainly not going to help the snp pass budgets and pass legislation under alex cole hamilton, the leader of the of the liberal democrats, hes very much anti snp so we cant really look towards the liberal Democrat Group to and seek support in parliament. So really, the only other option that is viable for snp members would be the scottish green party, because Alex Salmonds alba party and as a party that many snp members would find intolerable to work with. So even if humza yousaf managed to survive a vote of no confidence with the support of ashlee good, and if he managed to do a deal with the alba party, what i can assure you of is, as many progressive members within the snp that would find that intolerable and his leadership under question, from membership. So hes left himself in a very difficult position. I do not think it was necessary. And the way that hes handled it and i would really question who has been advising him, yeah, id question a lot of stuff. Neale hanvey, political reporter for the scottish sun. Your thoughts the scottish sun. Your thoughts on humza yousaf . Well, i think , well, the well, i think, well, the first point i would make really nanais first point i would make really nana is that, you have to separate the snp from the cause of Scottish Independence whilst the snp have , been regarded as the snp have, been regarded as the snp have, been regarded as the main vehicle for Scottish Independence over the last 90 years, that moniker is , years, that moniker is, disappearing from their grasp for a number of reasons. Their mismanagement of, Scottish Government more generally, but certainly their, continue the abandonment of the cause of independence in favour of identity politics, which the vast majority of the Scottish Population do not support , the population do not support, the other thing thats been very clear this week is that the green party have made it clear that their commitment to independence is a mirage, their commitment to the environment and climate is a mirage. And again, the only red line theyre prepared to draw is on identity politics. So i think comes the use of started the day , the day use of started the day, the day off, thinking that he was going to stamp his authority back on the, Scottish Government and take back control to borrow a phrase from elsewhere. And actually, what he ended up doing was making himself a much diminished figure in the eyes of scotland and the eyes of the pubuc scotland and the eyes of the public and hes completely lost control of the whole series of events since then. Well, the greens would argue that they are. They are supporting net zero, though, are they . So they are sticking with that. But Lewis Mackenzie , that. But Lewis Mackenzie, political reporter for the sun. Political reporter for the sun. Yeah, i think sort of the points raised there, theres sort of a difference between the support for the snp, which has been falling for quite a while now, and support for independence, which is sort of remained fairly stable. So people are actually separating the two, causes. So theyre separating their support for snps a party and how they feel about independence, so thats sort of an interesting sort of point, i think, for, you know, the position that he was in with the party, and obviously ashlee good finds herself in a very interesting position that holyrood, and i imagine humza might regret having said that she was no loss to the snp when she, quit the snp back in october of last year, interesting. Well what about councillor thomas kerr . Councillor thomas kerr . Well, i think theres two separate questions here. Nana, to be honest with you, id like to think its the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence movement. I dont think it is though, and until we can try and make sure that we beat them at the ballot box, ill keep fighting hard to make sure that that that does happen. But the issue is arrived from humza yousaf is a completely different one. He has been completely incapable and useless when it comes to governance scotland, and weve seen that his complete lack of judgement in how hes managed to handle the situation has been a disaster. The people of scotland weve seen in poland have already lost trust in him and i think what weve seen last week is that the parliament looks likely to have lost trust in him as well. And so i dont see a way back for humza whatsoever. But the snp is not, you know, theyre down but theyre not out. And as a conservative and a unionist, ill make sure i fight hard to make sure that we fight those separatist policies as much as possible. The ballot box. Yeah. Because it does feel like so. So final word then to each of you. Yes or no. Then so neale hanvey do you think that this is the end of the snp and Scottish Independence. You can answer one yes and one no. Because as you said, there are two questions. Neil okay. Well no i dont think its the end of the snp. Theres a lot of good people still in the party and its absolutely not the end of the Independence Movement. The Independence Movement. The Independence Movement is strong with support north of 50. Okay. Lewis mackenzie , same okay. Lewis mackenzie, same same to you . Yeah, i would say so. No to yeah, i would say so. No to both of those as well. But i think the days of humza yousaf as first minister and snp leader are looking increasingly numbered. Yeah, exactly. Numbered. Yeah, exactly. I wonder what i should be doing is asking you actually take bets on what day . Actually, councillor thomas kerr, your thoughts again . I dont think they are dead, but i will keep fighting to make sure that they lose at the ballot box. I think comes as days are numbered, and i think they were going to head towards another first minister. That will be imposed on holyrood. How that works out . I have no idea because itll be up to neils party, i suspect, on who thats going to be and how that works out. And austin sheridan, same to you. Yeah, i mean the snp, the Independence Movement are very separate things. I think as very separate things. I think as important and, you know, to maintain that as a much broader opfion maintain that as a much broader option , rather, you know, option, rather, you know, Political Parties agree with each other or not. I think fundamentally, you know, that we all agree, you know, that our constituents. Yeah. So just yes or no then so is it the end of the snp. Youre of course its not the end of the snp. No, but but yes end of the snp. No, but but yes or no to snp members and Big Questions to ask themselves about the future of the party. I think its healthy that , you think its healthy that, you know, we actually start to speak up and actually start to question the direction of the party that were going. Party that were going. All right. Well, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. Really good to talk to you all, neale hanvey, Lewis Mckenzie. Councillor thomas kerr and also austin sheridan. Thank you so much for taking the time out to talk to me. All right. Well, this is gb news on tv, onune well, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Coming up, well continue with the Great British debate. Im asking after a chaotic few days for humza yousaf, is this the end of the road for the snp . Youll hear the thoughts of my panel youll hear the thoughts of my panel. Lizzie cundy and Matthew Lazor and todays difficult conversation. Difficult to say. Well hear the story of a remarkable man who is defying physical disability, Mental Illness and suicidal thoughts to climb Mount Snowdon. But first, lets get your latest news with ray addison. Ray addison. Thanks, nana for 31 our top stories. Two men have been arrested at a propane cystine protest in london. Police say one of them was holding a placard with a swastika , and the placard with a swastika, and the other made a racist remark towards counter protests. 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This is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Im nana akua and its time for the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour. And im asking, im asking, whats the question . Ive forgotten it now, with all this alliance with the scottish greens falling apart, the conservatives in hollywood debate tabling a vote of no confidence and snp revelations with fellow Pro Independence parties in tatters, Humza Yousafs political future is looking very bleak indeed. So despite vowing yesterday to fight on the on the snps leader, the courier , its leader, the courier, its looking bad. So for the Great British debate this im asking is this the end of the road for the for the snp and Scottish Independence . Right. So lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour Party Adviser matthew laza matthew laza. Yes, i can go home now. No, i mean, i think, i mean, i think its certainly the end for humza yousaf if i must try and be polite and not call him useless, tempting though it is, yeah. I mean, hell be gone in the next few days because the very least, the way the maths works is the only way the snp can survive in government is if ashlee good, who stood for the snp leadership, which was an snp msp, shes gone over to Alex Salmonds alba. If she gives them their vote and even then its going to be very tough and i suspect theyre secretly behind the scenes. One of the pnzes behind the scenes. One of the prizes will be the head of humza yousaf. So its the end of the yousaf. So its the end of the road for him. And its very much, even if it isnt the end of the road in the next few days. For him, its clearly the beginning of the end, and theyve got, because theyre going to get a hammering at the westminster election. So, you know, its just all the, all the, all the, the wheels are falling off and, you know, the, the vehicle is going to come to a stationary halt very soon. Lizzie cundy, talking of vehicles, i wonder if that camper van is available for the summer because, yusuf might need it if its free for some holiday. Yes. Use aint safe. And hes. And hes hes not and hes. And hes hes not going quietly , is he . You think going quietly, is he . You think he would wave that white handkerchief and go . But hes not going to. But i will give him by wednesday. I think that will be the end, look , the thing will be the end, look, the thing is for him, hes hes not popular. His policies are ludicrous. And, i mean, look at the statistics. 90, 29 are the statistics. 90, 29 are favourable , 45 are favourable, 45 are unfavourable. And the rest dont really care. Or not sure hes hes not popular. Hes hes after his white rant speech was absolutely appalling. He uses minorities and the Trans Community as a political football to score political points, hes he hasnt had the welfare of the safety of women and children ever. And he doesnt Pay Attention to what scotland really needs, like living standards, education, crime, hes just absolutely , as crime, hes just absolutely, as you said, useless. I think its the end for the snp. It is it is tough for him. Snp. It is it is tough for him. I mean, and the problem is he does speak all the time like hes a Primary School teacher. So hes quite sort of coherent , so hes quite sort of coherent, but its sort of so patronising. And when people realise that they, realise that, you know, he can, he can claim the sun is shining as much as he likes when they go outside and find its raining, you know, theyre going to do want to do something about it. Well, keir starmer is having a whale of a time, isnt he . He could sit back again. Hes like the cat thats got the cream. Hes like, bagpuss did you ever watch . I love Bagpuss Emily Bagpuss Bagpuss was one of my absolute favourite bagpuss did you really irritating. Oh, lives like a cat. The thing is, its not just Keir Anas Sarwar whos scottish labour leader is, hes hes done a really brilliant job because the party was absolutely destroyed in scotland. It was completely hollowed out. It was completely hollowed out. It was kind haemorrhaging members kind of haemorrhaging members and support. Anna has done a and support. And anna has done a brilliant job of leadership in getting it together. Hes got i mean, anna has got a little twinkle in his eye, and hes good fun. And i think the scottish people can see that because theyre very po faced, the snp, they just think , you the snp, they just think, you know, everything is always somebody elses fault and people are finding out that its their fault. But i think the snp are struggling. I think the independence isnt going to go totally away because theres a hard core of about 40. Well, theres the alba and theres albinism and i think we could call him the new lettuce on the block, actually, because hes only just done a year hasnt he. And hes there are things in my fridge older than his, first minister, i think with this vote of no confidence is the final nail in the coffin for the snp. Yeah. Thats it. So, pets, on what day do you think hes toast . Well ive actually put a bet on its wednesday. Im a tuesday man. Im a tuesday man. Im a tuesday man. I think its actually it may even be sunday. Tomorrow. Yeah, i think it could be in my show. That would be excellent. If that happens, wed love that. But what do you think . Is this the end of the road for the snp and Scottish Independence . Yes. Get Scottish Independence . Yes. Get in touch. But this shows nothing without you and your views. Lets welcome our great views. Lets welcome our Great British voices, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics were discussing. Where should we go . Oh oh. Should we go to bristol . Define city. Its a fine city. Yeah. Very nice. Got a great zoo. And one of the animals there, lee harris. Right lee, what do you think . Is this the end of the Scottish Independence and humza yousaf. And humza yousaf. Oh, sadly, i dont think its the end of the snp and Scottish Independence, you know , but independence, you know, but theyre both seriously wounded and they wont be back on their feet for some time. But the other good news is when a leader says theyre not resigning , this says theyre not resigning, this normally means theyll be gone very soon. And i really do agree with, lizzie and matthew. There is a wonderfully high chance that humza. Useless. Sorry. Yousuf will be gone very soon. Very 500. Very soon. The man is a walking disaster. Hilariously slow and polling from the great Professor John curtice shows that hes a deeply and increasingly unpopular politician in scotland. Even among snp voters. You know, its very unlikely he will survive these two no confidence votes especially. Hes relying on support from the, you know, loopy greens, who he just dumped , and ash regan, he just dumped, and ash regan, who he said there was no great loss when she quit the snp. But loss when she quit the snp. But i will say this. I wonder what matthew thinks of this. And lizzie, he is a desperate man in a position of weakness who also happens to be useless at politics. So i think theres a good chance he will make huge, very appealing concessions to get the support he needs. But evenif get the support he needs. But even if, you know, even if he survives this no confidence vote, its still not looking really good for the snp, especially if hes in place before the election. Its been scandal after disaster after these are disasters. And hes a disaster. Lee harris, thank you so much. Really good to talk to you. Thank much. Really good to talk to you. Thank you. That is our Great British voice, lee harris, always so succinct but still to come in todays difficult conversation, well hear the story of a remarkable man whos defying physical disability, Mental Illness and suicidal thoughts to climb Mount Snowdon. But next, angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace good afternoon, and welcome is just coming up to 47 minutes after 4 00. Im nana akua, and its after 4 00. Im nana akua, and wsfime after 4 00. Im nana akua, and its time for my royal roundup. Because theres always something going on in the royal household. And who better to delve into it then . The fabulous angela levin, royal biographer, angela levin. Hello right. So lets talk about it. Whats been going on with the royals . Well the most important thing is that king charles, it was announced yesterday at 6 pm. That he can now go out and mix with people outside in the daytime and actually satisfy himself because hes been going mad just sitting in his palace and not being able to reach out to the people. Hes used to it. Hes he works incredibly hard hours and hours. And so this means that the doctors are pleased with him. So far. The doctors are pleased with him. So far. He will carry on being looked after and having tests and all sorts of things, but he can now get out and meet the people, i heard that it was going to be on, at 6 pm. In the morning, and i felt so anxious that it was going to be negative. I thought, i cant bear it. I was distressed, i was wreck, and then they came through and i said, hooray you know, there was i was so pleased they did. It. You know, pleased they did. It. You know, i think he wants very much to get on with people, and so he, he, he, he wanted to let them know that he was now much better. Thats great. Thats wonderful. And i think we have wonderful. And i think we have to thank camilla. You know, i did my biography of her, and you can see that the personality that shes got, she coped with being called the most wicked woman in the world. When diana was still alive, but shes shes done everything she can to support charles. Whatever hes needed. Support charles. Whatever hes needed. Shes done that. Weve needed. Shes done that. Weve seen that going out, encouraging him. And we saw the picture of the two of them together to celebrate their 19th anniversary earlier this month. And you can earlier this month. And you can see how happy they are and how they look after each other. So its very good. And the first engagement that the king has is on tuesday. They going to see a on tuesday. They going to see a cancer , a cancer place where cancer, a cancer place where people and medics are there so that he can talk to them. And i think he will give them all hope. I think he will give them all hope. I mean, you know, if the king can do it, although hell obviously get the best doctors, but he can show you and help you. And also, i think its been very helpful for catherine that hes done very well as, as well. So didnt he give her an honour as well . Hes given her a huge honour, yes, but hes also said very formally that, he will be seeing the japanese, a president s and they will come in june and he will be there and he wants to carry on and do all these things as much as he can. So its marvellous. But what was annoying yesterday was that for me was that prince harry was due to give an award to the best army person, and he chose this person. And he was wearing, first of all, they had to do it twice because meghan was shouting in the background, which was rather funny, but he did with four medals. Three were from the jubilees, one was for his going to afghanistan. He was his going to afghanistan. He was only there for ten weeks, but that just about entitled him to get one. And but the one for his fathers coronation, he didnt wear. And i thought that was wear. And i thought that was such a nasty, spiteful thing to do. I mean, if you look at that, its really shocking. However, hes probably very cross because mike tindall, who is married to zara and the kings granddaughter, hes taking over as being president of Invictus Games, which sounds to me like like hes stepping back, hes stepping away from it. I dont think he wants to, but hes obviously going to be away. Well, they havent moved him away, but theyve put mike in the position. Yes. Very interesting. And hes not even though he kind of may have was the face of it doesnt necessarily mean that hes the person that will carry it through, especially with what theyre doing as well. Maybe its because hes said that hes now wanted to become an american sort of thing. No. I think its because that a lot of the Invictus Games people have been wounded physically and psychologically. We feel that psychologically. We feel that its now turned into a royal family sort of thing, which they dont want, that its gone completely away from trying to encourage them to relive in the world, and as meghan coming and making lots of speeches and walking in front of some of the Award Winners where she knows nothing about it at all, and i think 2000 people have stepped down from , going this year down from, going this year because theyre very annoyed. And i think that that shows you that harry cant keep having his own way, that people dont want that and they dont want it to be all about meghan and harry. And its all a bit silly, particularly meghan, because she leads the way, she takes over, she goes to speeches, he makes one short one at the end , so one short one at the end, so thats, very, very difficult. Yeah. For them, and william , yeah. For them, and william, whos done his first visit since hes the announcement of his wifes cancer and he went by surprise to birmingham, to a school where a young boy of 12 was wrote him a very nice letter, and he wanted to reply to him, which i thought was incredibly nice. But what was so sweet is that he said to all the children there, its a place where people have Mental Health issues, and hes very keen on men to look after men who have Mental Health, illness and he was saying to them, you must talk to the sheep , and you must talk to the sheep, and you must ask them how they are and how they , you know, theyre doing. They, you know, theyre doing. And i thought to myself, hey, this is just like king charles because he spoke to all the plants and everybody laughed at him. I thought, thats ridiculous. But actually it shows father and son are closer than you would have thought. But i think, it was a very positive thing. It must be very happy that his fathers back at work. And so should we be. Yeah. Miss catherine though. Hopefully shes coming back soon, we dont know. We dont know anything about her, but we are doing what she wanted was to leave her on her own, to get well without people asking rude questions and, nosy questions. Questions and, nosy questions. And i think thats the best way with her. And briefly , meghan and her and briefly, meghan and her jam, meghan and her jam. Its jam, meghan and herjam. Its very. Oh, yes, its a, this is very. Oh, yes, its a, this is very interesting because the row of family are making masses and masses of money and they sell it for £3. 99. Shes selling it for 30. Is she. Is she. So weve got a cross. Theyve got a price. And whos going to got a price. And whos going to buy that . I dont think many people. And she hasnt got a ceo, so its all stopped. Its ceo, so its all stopped. Its not a big business. Its a its a junction. Well have to see a junction. Well have to see what happens. Well have to see. Maybe itll come to a sort of sticky end. Thank itll come to a sort of sticky end. Thank you so much. That is end. Thank you so much. That is royal biographer angela levin. This is gb news on tv , online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Still to come, my difficult conversation. Come, my difficult conversation. Youll hear a remarkable story about a remarkable man. A brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello. Heres your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. We hold on to mixed weather conditions across the uk over the next few days, all of us seeing some rain at times, often breezy and temperatures though starting to recover. Actually becoming fairly warm in places during the middle to second stage of the coming week. 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Hes a veteran who has overcome adversity and become an advocate for others. Just a warning for this conversation. It might this conversation. It might contain some content thats distressing for some people. Nick served in the british army for 14 years before leaving to set up his own business. After his time in the forces , he his time in the forces, he struggled with post Traumatic Stress disorder and depression , stress disorder and depression, as well as physical health problems, including chronic spinal pain. Now, nick ultimately suffered a Mental Health breakdown and attempted to commit suicide once hed recovered , nick decided that he recovered, nick decided that he wanted to help other people suffering with Mental Health issues, and has dedicated his life to raising awareness around Mental Health and reducing stigma, especially among men. And most recently, he completed a 385 miles on his specialised Recumbent Trike to pay his respects to the 385 men that commit suicide every month in the uk. And im pleased to say that im joined in the studio by disability advocate and adventurer and speaker nick wilson. Nick, thank you very wilson. Nick, thank you very much for joining wilson. Nick, thank you very much forjoining me. Wow. So youve done a lot, havent you . Yeah, its been a bit busy. Yeah, its been a bit busy. Yeah, its been a bit busy. All right. Well, talk to me. Talk to me about you, about your disability and of course, your time in the forces. Yes. Yes. So, like you say, i spent 14 years in the army. During that time, i deployed on multiple operations around the globe, from to Northern Ireland kosovo, iraq and afghanistan, and then i came out a decade ago, with a spinal condition, degenerative disease , disorder of the spine. Disease, disorder of the spine. And basically ive got seven prolapsed discs in my spine , at prolapsed discs in my spine, at my neck and at my lumbar. Okay. Okay. And the result of that is they rub against my spinal nerve. So i experienced chronic pain every minute of every day. Wow. Basically wow. Basically and thats just got worse over the years. So is it kind of like bone on bone rubbing . And what about the cause in between each of the spinal , the vertebrae. Youve spinal, the vertebrae. Youve got discs, havent you. Yeah. So, so they all squashed or suppressed or. Yeah. Yeah. So some of them are, some of them are worse than others. So my neck is the worst point where, theres three discs where they have no fat in between at all, and their prolapse, theyre basically bulging out and they pinch and rub against my spinal nerve , which is where the nerve, which is where the massive pain comes from, and then in 2021, i was then diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Oh, goodness, which is there thought due to the mental trauma that id experienced, and fibro within me is comes out as chronic pain again, so yeah, its every day is experiencing chronic levels of pain and trying to manage that, and im what is known as an ambulatory chair user so i can still stand and i have limited walking capability, which many of you probably wouldnt even realise when youre in a wheelchair. But its about five, ten minutes, before the pain just gets too much. So talk to me. Is there . What did any of this . Was any of this caused by you being in the forces or. Yeah, absolutely. Forces or. Yeah, absolutely. So i have a war pension now. A medical pension. And the army a medical pension. And the army accept responsibility for both my knees, my spine and complex post Traumatic Stress. How did that happen then . Whilst you were serving, there was no exciting long impact event or anything. You know, it was, creating damage to my spine. And the mentality is , for and the mentality is, for example, pain is weakness. Leaving your body is one of the many things. So you just push through your pain and pain. For me, was my spine telling me that theres something wrong . But because the mentality was always be toxic masculinity, always be toxic masculinity, always be toxic masculinity, always be strong, push through it. And that is after 14 years destroyed my spine. That must be very difficult to come from such an active place to then find yourself in a wheelchair and now i understand you attempted to take your life. Yeah. Yeah. So , i mean, when i actually so, i mean, when i actually made the attempt, it was in 2016 and that was the start of my whole Mental Health journey of trying to provide training and helping other people. But i really experienced over the past 18 months ive been battling suicidal ideation. So thoughts of suicide, which has been brought on from when i was in this chair from 2021. Right. So middle of covid, and i moved to a new place literally two months before covid started , so before covid started, so isolation and loneliness , yeah, isolation and loneliness, yeah, has has really gripped me. And when you are lying in pain in absolute agony by yourself on your profile, in bed 18 hours a day, staring at the same four walls, you just question why. Whats the point . Whats the point . Yeah. And was there anybody around you . So you have a partner. Do you have any children . No. No. I was engaged at and again that finished just before covid. So it was literally everything. I havent seen my daughter for over eight and a half years. So yeah, its been a lot. Its tough. But you are working really hard and trying to build awareness , of to build awareness, of difficulties and Mental Health in particular. Men suffer. Talk to me about your your challenge that youre, youre about to embark on. Yeah. So wheelchair. Yeah, everyone who follows me and knows i love a gadget, but when i ended up relying on a powerchair for, the lack of accessibility in this country was a real smack in the face, i didnt fully appreciate how bad it is, and i was still, even though ive been out of the army ten years, theres still a part of me. Theres that cheeky Little Soldier is in there wanting to push the boundaries and do more, and so i wanted to go and do more, and so i wanted to 9 up and do more, and so i wanted to go up snowdon, and id seen some spinal charities do like a chair pull. So its not new for pull. So its not new for a wheelchair to go up snowdon. Right. Its nothing new, but usually its teams of 16 to 20 people. And im like, well, thats rubbish. Why, why, why is thats rubbish. Why, why, why is thats rubbish. Why, why, why is that the case . We should be able to do that at least with just a few people. So i went to my local Engineering Firm and i said, look, i just want to have something with four wheels, electric motor to try and do snowdon in and the firm, could i mention them . Yeah. So, rock mention them . Yeah. So, Rock Engineering apps. The guys. Absolutely amazing. Theyve only beenin absolutely amazing. Theyve only been in business a year when i rocked up and they said, yeah, well do it, well take it on and what they have, what theyve created, its called rock climber. Created, its called rock climber. Does created, its called rock climber. Does everyone created, its called rock climber. Does everyone use created, its called rock climber. Does everyone use the climber. Does everyone use the hashtag rock climber . Youll see the immense videos. And this the immense videos. And this thing actually has a video of me driving up a wall, and it is absolutely insane, and this thing will literally weve fidden thing will literally weve ridden over a half metre high obstacle. So the plan is for ill have a small safety team, but the plan is for me to go up there completely unaided. No ramps , nothing like that. Just ramps, nothing like that. Just man and machine and demonstrating how Inclusive Design and modern day engineering can help to overcome accessibility. You know, obstacles and barriers and if i if this machine can get me up to the top of snowdon by myself, why dont we have a power chair that can safely get up and down a pavement kerb , which is part a pavement kerb, which is part of the biggest problem . Yeah, well , of the biggest problem . Yeah, well, i think we are heading towards that and there are some great minds coming up with great innovations that make life a lot easier. Is there no treatment for your condition that could potentially help you . No. It was left for so long. Yeah, and you know, when it was declining throughout covid, you know, all primary secondary care stopped. Yeah and then because of that, all my muscles have, kind of gone out of alignment. Yeah, and im inactive as well if they dont work. Exactly. Exactly. So i now work with an amazing osteopath, bob. Hes a great friend of mine as well, and hes trying to adjust and help me to manage, but at our level, if i was a sportsman. Yeah, therell probably be some money that could fix me. But for me, as an everyday guy, which actually i say i own that i love being an everyday guy, no. So at some point i could end up paralysed, and so you, you focus on something that gives you purpose. You focus on helping others, you give back to your community and give back to other people. And you use that, you know, and you and you use that to keep yourself going. You create those yourself going. You create those memories. You know, i remember the show last year speaking with mark dolan, when i overtook her, the f1 red bull car in a powerchair. And that was last powerchair. And that was last year that wasnt on to my, do list. You know, it wasnt on my bucket list. I never thought id be disabled, and now, a year later , im now about on the later, im now about on the verge of taking this in sane machine up a mountain. And if id actually acted on my thoughts , and gave in to them thoughts, and gave in to them last year, or any of the points i wouldnt have experienced any of those things. And i say to people now, whatever youve got going on, you just youve got to keep on keeping on. Youve got to keep on going because you just dont know whats around the corner. Right . And the corner. Right . And youre doing incredible things. Look, if people want to support you and when is it youre planning to go on this journey . So were being a bit, a bit hazy about it, just because we dont want loads of people rocking up, and then destroying snowdonia, so itll be end of may. End of may ish, but im all over social media, tiktok, instagram, linkedin, facebook , instagram, linkedin, facebook, whatever, and, or disabled adventure. Com. Okay. And you are raising money, i presume on this or not yet. Youre not not yet. I didnt just i didnt want it. I know you should do i got a go fund me page or something going on. And can you are doing so much for all of it. You might well say so, because ive got this brand new spanking chair by quantum now, which is amazing, so my old power chair, im going to give it away , so theyre servicing it it away, so theyre servicing it and were going to give it away for free to someone to help someone else. I wanted it to be about the mission. I didnt want it to become another fundraiser. Yeah, i know what you mean. Yeah, i know what you mean. Yeah, i know what you mean. You know, trust me, weve got plans for next year as well, though, because, you know, i know youre doing a lot of advocacy for Mental Health. Yeah, and theres a lot you could do alongside that. But, you know, our viewers would support you and our listeners would support you in your. And they absolutely did last yeah and they absolutely did last year. And thank you for every single one of you, for all your support, all your donations and all your help is honestly, its kept me here. So thank you. Well, listen, its such a pleasure to talk to you, nick. Really it is. And good luck with it all. And you know, when you are doing these videos and stuff, you know, maybe you can get some stuff on my show and well get you telling us where you are and what were obviously not in too much detail, otherwise you will have that mad rush to snowdonia. But yeah , rush to snowdonia. But yeah, just keep us posted on what youre doing. Absolutely. Well, thank you ever so much. Its a pleasure to meet you. Thatis its a pleasure to meet you. That is the fabulous nick wilson. Hes a disability advocate, adventurer and a speaker. One of this speaker. 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Were live on tv, online and on digital radio. Its time for the Great British debate this out. And im asking, do you believe that rwanda is unsafe for Asylum Seekers . Now, after a tremendous amount of toing and froing, they call it ping toing and froing, they call it ping pong between the house of commons and the house of lords, rishi sunak flagship rwanda bill finally became law this week as the Prime Minister overcame another hurdle to getting flights to the east african country off the ground. Now after the bill was passed, home secretary James Cleverly and number 10 both hit back at critics of the rwanda scheme, saying that it would act as a sufficient deterrent and insisting that it did comply with Britains International obligations. However, human rights and Refugee Charities here they go again have continued to raise their concerns, claiming that over 115,000 Asylum Seekers will be left in permanent limbo by the end of the year. So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking do you believe rwanda is unsafe for Asylum Seekers . Is unsafe for Asylum Seekers . Well, to debate this, im joined by political commentators chloe dobbs and also kai willshaw. Okay, chloe dobbs , what do you okay, chloe dobbs, what do you think . Rwanda . I think the rwanda is a safe country. I think the only grounds on which you should be criticising the rwanda bill is simply just the rwanda bill is simply just the cost of it. Is it worth it . Rwanda they have, it looks like perhaps even better law and order than we have here in the uk. We had koko and Simon Danczuk talking to Patrick Christys the other day , saying that if you other day, saying that if you muck around in rwanda, there is no tolerance of it. The Police Actually turn up in rwanda, unlike here. So and theyre actually considering even bringing up their kids there if they have them, because it is so much safer in their eyes than some places like london in the uk. The fears about safety rafe rwanda from the Supreme Court were about rwanda potentially having the ability to send the migrants somewhere else that could be unsafe, not rwanda itself being unsafe. Itself being unsafe. This is just all hot air, this fuss about the safety of rwanda , hot air fuss about rwanda, hot air fuss about safety of rwanda. Safety of rwanda. Im not quite sure thats completely accurate, because what the Supreme Court did is they looked at three different areas, right . Where rwanda could potentially be seen as unsafe. One of them was around the human rights record. So extra judicial killings, detainment, torture , those are detainment, torture, those are obviously serious, serious issues. There are also Asylum Seeker specific issues. The Processing Capacity of the Rwandan Government at the minute isnt sufficient to be able to process enough migrants that we would be sending them. Also, in terms of the lack of legal representation, the political, the politicisation of the courts in rwanda, those are also big issues for Asylum Seekers. Specifically, you mean that they wont be able to make the numerous appeals and we pay for it . Well constantly. Thats part of it. But also, it shouldnt be everybody but everybody should have the right to legal representation. Well, i think everybody should have the right to appeal. You should pay for it, surely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And i think but but i think those, those issues are different to the non refoulement issue that chloe brings up. Right. The fact that you can i mean, what were doing right is sending Asylum Seekers to a third country. Yes rwanda has a history of doing exactly the same. So that is an issue. But that was really one of three of the issues that the Supreme Court decided on when saying that rwanda is an unsafe country to send Asylum Seekers to. Do. You know, i think they keep putting obstacles in the way to just stop this thing from happening. The amount of people ive heard saying, oh, its not going to work, its not going to work. Its like, well, lets give it a try. Give it a try. Yeah. The question is, is it worth giving a try . Giving it a try, given that a Labour Government is, it would seem incoming. Are labour actually going to continue with the rwanda plan if we start getting the flights off the ground before the end of rishi sunaks premiership . So is it worth the immense cost . As i say, cost is the only sort of qualm that i have with it. Is it worth the immense cost and all these legal battles that weve been having that are actually distracting the government . Were focusing on other issues in the country, of which i could list for hours and hours. Is it worth it . So that is definitely a bit of a question mark. I dont think that keir starmer would have the guts to continue on with the rwanda plan. I dont think hed dare not do it because, i mean, it only needs to show a modicum of working , and he doesnt have to working, and he doesnt have to be amazingly working and already there seems to be a little bit of there seems to be a in the armour actually, of the supposed people smugglers. And people seem concerned that there may be some people that something might actually happen. Yeah. So it could be the case that theres all of this scaremongering about rwanda. But rishi sunak manages to start getting some flights off the ground, and soon enough we see actually theyre doing quite well there. This is actually starting to work as a deterrent, and hence the fear about it will die down. And keir starmer then has the ability to carry it on. If people see that its actually working , then maybe actually working, then maybe therell be demand. You know, keir starmer will do whatever is popular. He doesnt. Yeah. He doesnt. Yeah. He doesnt have any particular opinion. Thats true. Its true. Hell thats true. Its true. Hell do whatever it takes. Hes a, hes hes playing a very careful game isnt he. Hes not anything. Everyones getting it wrong and hes just sitting around. Yeah exactly. Exactly. I think they are resting on their laurels a bit. Right. They do need to make a decision about which way they want to go. And i think the rwanda policy is an example where hundreds of millions have already been spent and been committed to the london government and president kagame. Thats not going to go away. And thats not going to go away. And so what do you do with that . Do you continue with this trial . I think it was a trial of five years that was planned and then review it at some gateway point. I mean, i think thats probably what will end up happening, as well as having this suite of policies, you know, the work with france, for instance, and, and maybe therell be other ones in the works. But it does speak in the works. But it does speak to a wider problem, doesnt it . What kind of country do we want to be . What do we mean we should be . We think were better than that. Sending people whove come here illegally via dinghy back somewhere else because they wont tell us where theyre from. But how do we want to treat Asylum Seekers and refugees when were the country who accepted 70,000 jewish refugees from german occupied europe in world war ii . That was weve done that for ukraine and other places where weve set up these settlement type schemes. That was kinda transport. Yes, weve done lots of that and were always doing things like that. But when people take the mickey by getting on a dinghy and a lot of them are economic migrants getting in the way of people who are actually genuine Asylum Seekers, thats no good, is it . When you look at the top five countries of origin for small boat crossings , number one, 20 boat crossings, number one, 20 of the people in those crossings are from afghanistan, which is the country the second in the world according to the womens peace and Security Index for their treatment of women. So thats the kind of yes, were bringing here. But but but do you not agree that theyre fleeing a war zone, that theyre fleeing a war zone, that we that we are partially responsible for . Number two. Number one, number two is iran. Number one, number two is iran. Number four is iraq. I mean, were talking about seriously war torn countries where were quite partially responsible for how what a terrible state theyre in women. And i am fed up of seeing story after story of Illegal Migrants having come here, raping women, sexually assaulting women, murdering people. Weve just had the moroccan Asylum Seeker who came here illegally stabbed to death someone in rebellion to the war between israel and hamas. Thats disgusting. Thats disgusting. Thats disgusting. That didnt need to happen. If we didnt allow people to come to this country illegally. Yes, that is obviously disgusting. Weve had 6000 boat disgusting. Weve had 6000 boat crossings, small boat crossings this year so far. Obviously in that 6000 there are going to be bad apples. Theres going to be a small proportion who break the law. Thats not acceptable. Getting on the boat. Thats getting on the boat. Thats first place. Yes, of course, but the single one of them, im not tarnishing every single one of them with the same brush, but i think it is fair to say that if you import people from a country which has a very, very different culture, where crime is much more common and poor treatment of women is much more common, they are more likely than your average brit to commit crimes. Average brit to commit crimes. Is that not a fair comment . And so your answer is to send them to , well, any other country them to, well, any other country than the uk. Is that fair . Than the uk. Is that fair . Theyve come. This is a safe place. Theyve come here illegally. I think people seem to forget that these people have come here illegally. Theyve risked their lives from the safety of france. And actually we had one of the migrants who we had on, not on here, but i played a clip and he was saying that, well, who wants to stay in a tent . Which is why he left greece after fleeing wherever he was to come to greece. He said all going to be in a tent. So then he got on a dinghy to come to the uk. Yeah well, well give them a five star hotel. Exactly right. Exactly. But who wouldnt . In desperate, desperate search. Cumstances come to another country illegally, wouldnt we . But youve left. But youve left. I certainly would not with france is not a scary country. Well, to stay in a refugee camp. Oh, right. I mean , you camp. Oh, right. I mean, you could be picky about. Oh, i see, so youve just literally made the point , the literally made the point, the reason why these people are coming here to this country specifically is because of the treatment we are giving people Hotel Accommodation , were Hotel Accommodation, were giving food, money, everything more than the people who live in this country, many of whom are in poverty. And they get to the top of the nhs waiting list. Theres a problem with anyone whos come from another country. Whos come from another country. Well treat them first and straight away. Im not saying dont treat people, but im saying get your own house in order. Job vacancies in this country are almost an all time high, though. We need people to be immigrating into this country and you need someone specifically. Then we change our legal migration. Migration. But thats thats easier said than done, is it not . Well, thats the easiest way to do it. Well, exactly. And clearly legal migration is very high. We saw 745,000 in 1 year. If we keep going on that track, we wont be struggling with enough people for jobs. Britain wont be struggling with enough people forjobs. Britain is at breaking point. You know how terrible the nhs waiting lists are. You know how difficult it is to get a house without being a millionaire these days the schools dont have enough spaces and so on and so on. Britain, we do want to set a good example to the world and show that we are a good country that wants to help people, but you have to look after yourself before you can help others. You cant break britain at the expense of the british people, and thats what it is. Its an expense and were paying its an expense and were paying for it. Its an expense and were paying for it. But if youre paying for it. But if youre just tuned in 31 minutes after 5 00, ive nana akua. This is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. Thank you very much to chloe dobbs and kai willshaw for their thoughts. What are yours , now, listen, what are yours, now, listen, there was just were just heanng there was just were just hearing the conservative mp Daniel Poulter is defecting to labouh Daniel Poulter is defecting to labour. Well bring you the latest on this story. Well hear the thoughts of my panel. Lizzie cundy and matthew laza. But first, lets get an update on that with your latest news with ray addison. Ray addison. Thanks, nana. Its 531 and we start with that breaking story. Start with that breaking story. Conservative mp doctor dan poulter has defected to labour. The Guardian Newspaper has published an image of the former Health Minister signing his Labour Party Membership form. The paper quotes him as saying that the conservatives have become a nationalist party of the right thats abandoned compassion and no longer prioritises the nhs. Doctor prioritises the nhs. Doctor poulter will be resigning as a tory mp and taking the labour whip until the next election. Well, obviously this is a developing story and well bring you more on that as we get it to the rest of our news. And the Prime Minister says a recent influx of migrants into ireland shows the deterrent effect of his rwanda plan is working. The comment comes after deputy irish premier Micheal Martin said the uks asylum policy is driving migrants from Northern Ireland into the republic. The into the republic. The government wants to send Asylum Seekers on a one way flight to the east african nation. Rishi the east african nation. Rishi sunak says the scheme is having an impact because people are worried about coming here. Well, up to 50 migrants have been rescued in a dramatic race against the tide after their boat ran aground on a sandbar off the kent coast. Gb news captured this exclusive footage of the migrant arrivals. The incident happened this morning on goodwin sands. No one is thought to have been injured. At least five small boats have made it to uk waters so far today , it to uk waters so far today, carrying more than 350 migrants. In fact , thats seven small in fact, thats seven small boats now to seven. Two men have been arrested at a pro palestine protest in london. Police say one of them was holding a placard with a swastika and the other made a racist remark towards counter protesters. The event, which was organised by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, is calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. Part of the march route took it past a fixed pro israeli demonstration on pall mall , past a fixed pro israeli demonstration on pall mall, and more than 20 sexual predators have been jailed for exploiting young girls in West Yorkshire involving abuse. Described as abhorrent in the extreme. 24 men have been sent down for a total of 346 years as part of operation towhey. West yorkshire operation towhey. West yorkshire polices investigation into the rape , sexual abuse and rape, sexual abuse and trafficking of eight girls between 1999 and 2012. Well, for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts now back to. Nana. Back to. Nana. Coming up, Jacob Rees Mogg is aggressively harassed by angry pro Palestine Protesters after making a speech at cardiff university. Then next were just hearing, though, that the conservative mp Daniel Poulter is defecting to labour. Well bnng is defecting to labour. Well bring you the latest on good afternoon. 37 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. Some breaking news. Its been reported that the mp for central suffolk and North Ipswich doctor dan poulter, has defected from the conservatives to labour, claiming that he could no longer look his nhs colleagues in the eye. Now doctor poulter has served as a conservative mp since 2010, serving as parliamentary under secretary of state for Health Services under David Cameron. The Guardian David cameron. The Guardian Newspaper quotes him as saying that the conservatives have become a nationalist party of the right. They also put in their headline top conservative mp really that a band that has abandoned compassion and no longer prioritises the nhs. He has said that he will sit as a labour mp until the general election and then stand down from parliament. He also says that britain needs a general election as soon as possible. Election as soon as possible. Well, lets bring my panel in on this. Lizzie cundy and also matthew laza matthew laza. Ive come to you straight away. Hes gone to labour. Absolutely. I was on a train through his constituency yesterday, but i wasnt responsible for the defection, so i think this is great news for labour. This will be a real, boost for keir starmer , hes not boost for keir starmer, hes not from a sort of the last labour mp who defected was the mp for a very marginal labour tory seat. Very marginal labour tory seat. And therefore cynics would say that he was trying to save his own skin. I that he was trying to save his own skin. I think that he was trying to save his own skin. I think doctor dan is own skin. I think doctor dan is a is an nhs doctor. I think he still does actually nhs shifts if im right. Yeah. And he, so he said hes not going to restand. Its not a labour seat, you know, so hes just done it because he cares about his country. And i think, look, whatever your politics, whether you think agree with him or not about his defection, hes absolutely right that we need an election. But as soon as he says hes not going to stand anyway, whats the point of defecting . I dont get it. Youre just doing making a gesture. Yeah. I mean, its absolutely because hes not going to carry on, but hes just done that because he feels hes i mean, because, look, if somebody like dan porter thinks he simply cant carry on, hes not one of, you know, sometimes its mavericks. You know, the sort of characters you get in parliament who defect. Hes not hes an absolutely mainstream tory mp. I mean, he look hes not the biggest no, im not. The guardians got it over the top by calling him a top tory. But hes an absolutely mainstream tory. He was an he was a Health Minister, as you said. And if he feels he cant carry on in the tory party, that means that that just reflects that millions of tory voters feel they cant carry on supporting the tories. I dont know lizzie cundy. I dont know lizzie cundy. I dont know lizzie cundy. Yeah, ive actually met doctor dan poulter, and my ex husband. We opened a ipswich hospital, a cancer unit where he was, and he is , i thought, was, and he is, i thought, a fantastic politician, actually, and i think it will be a loss to the tories and again to labour, sadly. But for him to say he cant look at the nhs the way it is, i mean it needs to have a total reform nana it. Yeah, its all the conservative party is it not tony blair . Exactly what tony blair did and the former government. It it needs a total transformation reform and the money is going into the wrong pay money is going into the wrong pay. You know, places in the nhs, the middle management, youve got the diversity managers that are getting more, the nurses in net zero. And thats what the problem is. And i think hes just making a gesture and hes leaving a sinking ship, which is the tory party. Do you not think, matt, that hes perhaps using this as a way of getting out of this without looking bad because, you know, i there are lots of mps. I try looking bad because, you know, i there are lots of mps. I try and keep myself genned up with all the mps, but some of them arrive and im thinking, i dont know, this one, so this is this, this guy is a new face to me, but i do my best to know more people know him after his defection than before. Yeah, but the bottom line is this. Theyre all bottom line is this. Theyre all defecting. Leaving the conservative party is i would say that its sort of a dereliction of duty, actually, especially when theres an election coming up. Why . Well, i think i mean, cynics might say that its because he wants to be in with the party. Thats if the polls are to be believed. He can move into government. Even even greater cynics would say, does he want a peerage out of this . Because its likely that labour will have to create quite a few peers if it gains government, because that tends to happen when a new government comes in, so thats what a cynic would say. But on the other hand, he is somebody who still doesnt does shifts at the sharp end. Hes not a politician who sits just on the green benches. As lizzie says, hes still very involved in the nhs. I agree with you about reform. Cant just blame the tories. No i think i think what hes doing is blaming the tories for not having done that reform. Lets all be honest here. Hes jumped ship because he knows labour are going to. Theyre thinking, of course, i mean you know there is honest and he doesnt want to be have any link with them and thats what hes done. And to say the tories have become a nationalist party of the right. The reason why a lot of people are not voting conservative is because theyre not being conservative. So i find thats a little bit i think thats the danger of a stretch. The problem is hes trying to keep the Tory Coalition together, which gives you everybody from the kind of Chipping Norton set and David Cameron right the way through to obviously Lee Andersons left to go to reform. Maybe others will follow him. The kind of some of the red wall people who are more socially conservative. And he obviously feels he doesnt feel comfortable in the party and pity comfortable in the party and pity party. Yeah, absolutely. And you may well find that when were in government that you have, that it becomes more difficult. It tends to be that difficult. It tends to be that parties are on the run up to an election kind of paper. You can paper over some of those cracks, but weve seen a lot of the left i the reason why the tories are in so much trouble is that they are like liberals now. They arent real conservative, he thinks theyre not liberal enoughis thinks theyre not liberal enough is total rubbish. Because, you know, thats why conservatives are now longer wanting to vote conservatives. They arent conservatives. Well listen well listen. Wishy washing. Lets find out. Wishy washing. Lets find out. This show is nothing without you and your views. So lets welcome some of our Great British voices onto the show. Their opportunity to be on. Tell us what they think about the topics were discussing. Ive got four. Three of you even. Im going to start with you, julie in bedfordshire. Your reaction to this news . Dan poulter mp , defects to labour. Poulter mp, defects to labour. Had you ever heard of him , i had you ever heard of him, i hadnt had you ever heard of him, i hadnt heard of him, to be honest with you. And like you , i do try and and like you, i do try and keep up with, all the politicians and their comings and goings, but i think this really says more about him voting with his feet. I think this is dan trying to make a statement without saying a word, almost, if hes not going to then stand after the next election, hes going to step down, hes obviously explaining to the public in the best way that he knows how that the conservatives arent doing what he wants them to do. He no longer believes in them. Longer believes in them. Hes moving across to labour, and then well step away. So maybe he doesnt have faith in either party, well, its difficult to have faith in any of them, isnt it . Lets go to gareth wyn jones. Hes there in snowdonia. Gareth yeah. Do you know what . Yeah. Do you know what . I respect the guy because you know, hes a working man. He understands the problems weve got in the country, nobody likes to see anybody leave a sinking ship. But weve got major problems in the nhs and this man knows it. And we have to respect his decision. Lets. Lets not his decision. Lets. Lets not kick him. Lets be really honest with everybody. It doesnt matter whos running the country. We need a good health service. And we need people to understand that. We need to get behind our doctors, our nurses and everybody. So it doesnt matter if its labour, if its conservative, or if its a liberal government. We have to liberal government. We have to get behind the people that are at the coalface. And thats the doctors, the nurses and the people that are trying to save lives at a very difficult situation that were in, not all, lets get behind these people. Lets not kick him for what hes done. Well, yeah. You know, i just wonder what his motives are. David in watford, obviously hes going before he gets. Hes going to be kicked out by the voters of ipswich. And but if he was that concerned about the nhs, why didnt he resign months ago . A year ago, nothing has changed. And hes doing hes not doing a Great Service to the voters of ipswich, who voted him to in represent them. If hes leaving parliament next election , then just say i am resigning. I will not be renewing becoming an mp stand again at the next election and i hope exactly that i will represent the constituency better than i could. Yeah. You know, thats thats what i would have thought. But thank you so much to julian bedford, gareth and snowdonia and david in watford. Thank you for your thoughts. Those are our Great British voices. Coming up. My quick quiz when i test the panel on some of the stories that have caught their eye this week, this is the clip. Have a look. Caught their eye this week, this is the clip. Have a look. What is the clip. Have a look. What on earth is happening there . Dont go anywhere. Stay tuned to dont go anywhere. Stay tuned to find out good afternoon. 49 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Its time for click bait. Just take a look at this. Well, that is gb news own Jacob Rees Mogg being chased and harassed by pro palestine demonstrators after speaking at an event at cardiff university. Now its been revealed that the demonstrators were organised by marxist leninist organisations calling jacob every abusive name under the sun and accusing him of being a zionist. I mean, this is just ridiculous. Lets go to my panel , is just ridiculous. Lets go to my panel, lizzie and matthew laza lizzie, very briefly to you. Absolutely appalling. Disgraceful and unacceptable. And im just thankful. Jacob is okay. And he kept his calm there. Remarkable but weve got to think back to the loss of david amess. You know, we cannot have this happen in. And its the Police Though the weakness of the police. Well, this is why i was going to say i think rowley has to go. Its too much of this is going on. Matthew lawson. Yeah. I mean, look, i think its absolutely awful that it happened. People. I dont, you know, agree with jacob on many things, but i enjoy debating him. And thats what University Life is all about. Its not about trying to stop people speaking so disgraceful scenes. None of them were from the labour party. It was all from far, far left groups who also know that though, you know, i think you dont know that thats the communist flag. Its not our flag. Labour. Somebody would argue labouh oh, but theyd be wrong. Oh, but theyd be wrong. Well, listen, Jacob Rees Mogg said this. It wasnt a legitimate and peaceful if not if noisy protests. The kind of University Security team was exemplary as both the protesters and i were able to give our views without fear or intimidation. The proper traditions of adversarial debate were upheld. Was that inside or outside . Crikey, hes such a gentleman. Yeah. No, he is a gentleman , yeah. No, he is a gentleman, a gentleman. He is a gentleman. Well, hes okay, but its time now for the quick fire quiz. Its the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting the headlines. Right now im joined by lizzie cundy. Your buzzer please. Lizzie and matthew loudly. Your buzzer please. Loudly. Your buzzer please. Fabulous. Right. And please play along at home. Question one peter kay was set to perform at the uks biggest concert arena, but has had to push back the dates from for a second time. But which arena was it . Was it a wembley, b manchester or c birmingham , i think that was the birmingham, i think that was the manchesters new co op arena. Manchesters new co op arena. It is amazing is b but well go see. No youre wrong. It is Manchester Arena. Yes. Peter was supposed to perform at the manchester on the 23rd and 24th, but then it was pushed back and then it was the 29th and 30th of may, so thats the thing. Like the rwanda flights, when will it take off . They keep getting pushed back i closest answer wins to the nearest thousand. What is the capacity of the Manchester Arena . Oh i think thats lizzie cundy 60,000, 3230 2000. The answer is 23,500. The answer is 23,500. Overexcited there wasnt i ive only i got the right figures but the wrong way round. Figures but the wrong way round. You did. Yes. You did. Yes. Well they were the wrong way round. But i still win because you do win one one. All right. No, no, two. All right. No, no, two. One two. No 2020220. One two. No 2020220. Who else . You missed the who else . You missed the heckling. The right. Question heckling. The right. Question three. The king has at last returned to work. His medical team are understood to be pleased with the progress hes made so far to mark the news, how many events has the king announced hell attend . Announced hell attend . Matthew laza two that i know of lizzie cundy one. The answer is in fact two. Oh, i do three no i dont. Oh my god, you cant , you oh my god, you cant, you cant win that throw away. Thats what you think. True or false a new blood a new blood has been developed , a new blood has been developed, a new blood test thats been developed that could detect osteoarthritis in the knees up to eight years before the x rays can develop, can have, can discover it. Lizzie cundy. True, its true. Matthew le false. She passed before the question. Its okay. I was stumbling with the question. Youre absolutely right. Yes. The blood test could lead to preventative treatment for this. And for a throwaway point, how many hundred thousand knee operations are performed each year . Matthew are performed each year . Matthew laza, 220,000. Lizzie cundy id say 300. Lizzie cundy id say 300. You had a chance to win that, man. Youve thrown it away. 120,000. Oh youre getting carried away. Listen, im getting overexcited. Finally, question five. More than 1000. Salman rushdie has just released his new memoir, giving a vivid and harrowing a story about the knife attack where he lost his eye, but the question is this in what year did Salman Rushdie publish the satanic verses . Was it a 1986 b satanic verses . Was it a 1986 b 1987 or c 1988 lizzie cundy a 90 c and youre saying c he was in fact c 1988. Could you get a single point this week . I got one she got no, this week . I got one she got no, no, no i got that, i got the throw away. I think she mightve got the one before you got one. You got 11. 1. Well done. Disaster. The winner is matthew laza on todays quiz. Well done at home. Well, listen, on todays show, ive been asking. What did i ask in the Great British debate is rwanda, safe, thats the question. Do you believe its question. Do you believe its unsafe for Asylum Seekers . And according to our twitter poll , according to our twitter poll, 14 of you say yes. And a whopping 86 of you say no. Is it unsafe . 86 of them say it is not unsafe. Its perfectly safe. Not unsafe. Its perfectly safe. Exactly, exactly. Well, thank you so much to my panel. Broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy. Thank you so much, lizzie. And also thank you to you matthew laza. Thank you as always to your advisor. Thank you very much. And aslef a thank you very much. And aslef a thank you to you at home for your company up next its time for the saturday five. Ill be back tomorrow 3 00, same time, same place with danny kelly and the fabulous christine hamilton. But ill leave you with the weather. Enjoy it. Enjoy it. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello. Heres your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. We hold on to mixed weather conditions across the uk over the next few days, all of us seeing some rain at times, often breezy and temperatures though starting to recover, actually becoming fairly warm in places during the middle to second stage of the coming week. Low pressure coming week. Low pressure sitting towards the south of the uk at the moment thats starting to throw outbreaks of quite persistent rain in across the south and east of the uk as we head through the evening into the overnight period. Some of that rain turning quite heavy dunng that rain turning quite heavy during the early hours of sunday, especially once towards the north and northwest. Its a clearer picture. Showers here starting to ease. Well see a clear spells at times and here will turn quite chilly by sunday morning. Could see a touch of frost in places in rural spots, temperatures here locally down below freezing, whereas towards the south and east with the wind, cloud and rain around, temperatures hold safely above zero into tomorrow. A bit of an east west split developing some heavy outbreaks of rain across eastern parts of the uk. It could brighten up for a time across east anglia, setting off across east anglia, setting off a few heavy showers but feeling chilly with a cloud, wind and rain here. Quite a blustery day out towards the east, whereas out towards the east, whereas out towards the west and northwest brighter skies, a mixture of sunshine and scattered showers. But wherever you are , temperatures are you are, temperatures are staying. Pretty disappointing for the time of year. Highs of 12 to 13 celsius 13 in the southeast is 55 in fahrenheit. As for monday , well an east west as for monday, well an east west split once again, but this time a reversal of fortunes with the east and southeast seeing the better conditions, brighter skies , whereas out towards the skies, whereas out towards the west some rain at times, all of us seeing rain at times during the week ahead. But notice those temperatures picking up too into the high teens or low 20s in places that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on a conservative mp, defects to labouh a conservative mp, defects to labour, but the tories can still win. The scottish greens are more interested in trans and kids than the supposed climate emergency. Our asylum system is nuttier than any mental asylum. Nuttier than any mental asylum. Are we expecting too much of our cancer stricken king . And as a mega poll puts donald trump behind joe biden, is maga going down . Its 6 pm. And this is the saturday five. A very good evening, folks. To you at home. Now, if you like calm, considered and reflective debate where mature and responsible adults discuss the issues of the day, im afraid question time is having the night off. If you prefer watching five egotistic know it alls hurling abuse at each other. Welcome along to the saturday five. Delighted to have your company know ill be this week, unfortunately. But ben leo and Benjamin Butterworth are