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And weve brought out the lettuce , yes, we have here he is. Humza yousaf leaf. The question is, will the Scottish First minister last longer than our friend here . Than our leafy lettuce friend . Lettuce friend . Has his career hit an iceberg . Lets us. I dont know, the average lifetime of a lettuce after. After you pick it off the shelf. I mean , is it a week . Is it a i mean, is it a week . Is it a bit less than a week . Well, it outlasted liz truss, did it not . So that must have been at least. What is it, 49 days. Well, no, but that that was always not quite true though, because the daily star only got out the lettuce a good way into her premiership, so it didnt really outlast. Anyway, were getting into specifics. So pedantic. Yeah so pedantic. The question is, from this point on, i say, id say this lettuce will sort of be able to live pretty happily, maybe for the next week before it starts getting really, really grim and we sort of want to get it out of the office. We should say if last that long. Yeah. Will he last that long . We should say that humza yousaf is going to be doing giving a speech. We dont know what hes going to say. Maybe hell come out strongly saying he can continue to run scotland with a minority government. But it does seem like everything is crumbling around him, doesnt it . First lesson in politics is learn to count. 64 first lesson in politics is learn to count. 64 members of the Scottish Parliament, currently are saying he should go. 63 currently say he should stay and one hasnt made her mind up yet. Yes, if i was a betting woman i probably wouldnt put much on him lasting very long. But we shall see. See what hes got to say this afternoon. But yes. Will he leaf or remain . Very good, very good. Well, gbnews. Com forward slash. Your say is the way to get involved orindeed say is the way to get involved or indeed to just tell me off for being quite so silly with arts and crafts. Please do, please do teach him a lesson. Teach him a lesson. Should we get your headlines . Good afternoon. Its 12 03. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Im scotlands first newsroom. Im scotlands first minister, has cancelled a planned speech on independence as he faces a leadership contest next week. Its after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens yesterday, leaving humza yousaf in charge of a minority government. The greens are said to have been angered by scotlands nhs pausing puberty blockers for those under 18 and the abandonment of the countrys emissions target. A vote against mr yousaf wouldnt automatically end his term as first minister, but it would throw doubt over his ability to govern a former parliamentary researcher has been ordered not to contact mps after he was charged with spying for china. Christopher cash , for china. Christopher cash, whos 29, and 32 year old Christopher Berry are accused of offences under the official secrets act. The pair appeared secrets act. The pair appeared at Westminster Magistrates Court this morning but were not required to enter any pleas. Two required to enter any pleas. Two men have been charged with immigration offences after the deaths of five migrants, including a young girl who were trying to cross the english channel. Yiyin both whos 22, and from south sudan, and tajudeen abdulaziz umma, whos also 22, and from sudan, were both charged with offences related to the deadly incident in 18 year old sudanese man was bailed pending further enquiries. The five migrants were on one of several packed boats that pushed off from the beach of wimereux in france on Tuesday Morning in the us, the Actress Ashley Judd says the overturning of Harvey Weinsteins rape conviction is an Institute National betrayal. Her allegation of Sexual Assault by the hollywood producer helped spark the metoo movement. A major film star in the 1990s, she sued weinstein in 2018, claiming he damaged her career after she rejected his advances. His 2020 rape conviction was overturned yesterday after a new york court ruled that he didnt receive a fair trial. The receive a fair trial. The District Attorney will now determine whether to seek a retrial, though he remains in prison for other crimes. Retrial, though he remains in prison for other crimes. Ashley prison for other crimes. Ashley judd says the courts havent served the needs of victims. Served the needs of victims. Is this today is an act of institution betrayal and our institutions betray survivors of male Sexual Violence. I stand shoulder to shoulder with women who have bloody knees because male Sexual Violence may knock us down, but we get right back up and together we are in this struggle for freedom from male entitlement to our bodies. Entitlement to our bodies. The worlds first personalised vaccine for skin cancer has begun testing on british patients. It works by telling the body to hunt down cancer cells and prevent the deadly disease from coming back, and also has the potential to stop lung, bladder and kidney cancers. The jab uses the same technology as the covid vaccines and is designed to trigger the bodys immune system. Teacher steve young was the first person to take part in the groundbreaking clinical trial. I had any fear because, i just by doing the trial, i feel like im actively doing something to give it a kicking. Basically labour says that any benefits from recent changes to tax have been wiped out by rising inflation. The partys Analysis Shows costs for working households are nearly £8,000 higher each year. The government says its economic plan is working and inflation is coming down. It comes as the shadow chancellor has warned rishi sunak to scrap what she calls his unfunded £46 billion commitment to abolish National Insurance contributions. Rachel reeves said she would never make a spending commitment without saying where the money is coming from. Ive been very clear that i want taxes on working people to be lower during the course of this parliament and the plans that the government have got in place, the average family is going to be £870 worse off just because of tax increases. By the end of the forecast period. But you also know that im never going to make any promise where i cant say whether money is going to come from. Thats what the conservatives did in the mini budget. In fact, that is also what rishi sunak and jeremy hunt did in their budget just a few weeks ago. And m15 is warning foreign states are targeting uk universities to undermine national security. Vice chancellors from 24 leading universities have been alerted to the threat. The government and Security Services are worried that Cutting Edge Research could be targeted by foreign states to boost their own militaries and economies, the deputy Prime Minister has announced a consultation on measures to protect britains universities , and for the latest universities, and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts now its back to tom and. Emily. Good afternoon britain. Its 12 08 now. Can the first minister of scotland hang on . Yes, his future is pretty much hanging by a thread after the snps power sharing deal with the greens collapsed yesterday. Well following the scottish conservatives decision to lodge a motion of no confidence in the first minister, scottish labour have now upped the ante by tabling a new no confidence motion in the entire Scottish Government. Yes, so its not just him now , the so its not just him now, the entire Scottish Government. Interesting the news came as terms of use of abruptly cancelled a planned speech at Strathclyde University, as speculation intensified about whether he will remain in his post. Well, lets go to edinburgh now and speak to gb news scotland reporter tony maguire, because, tony, this has been an accelerating story. Clearly frantic conversations going on behind the scenes today. But were expecting to hear from humza yousaf a little bit later. Humza yousaf a little bit later. Yeah, thats correct tom. Certainly humza yousaf was expected to be speaking at Strathclyde University today on the merits of the labour force in an independent scotland, that, of course , was scrapped that, of course, was scrapped give or take around 9 00 this morning , right after westminster morning, right after westminster snp leader Stephen Flynn said that humza yousaf would come out swinging. Well coming out swinging, hes going to have another opportunity to do that in around an hour or so from now. Hes going to be speaking at a social Housing Development in his native dundee, and its expected that well perhaps hear a bit more when the press finally gets to ask their questions of him. Then quite a whirlwind of an occasion, really, not just up here, but i think its safe to say felt right around the country , humza right around the country, humza yousaf went into that extraordinary Cabinet Meeting yesterday morning fully expecting to come out feeling this was going to be a move of strength for the snp , to move strength for the snp, to move away from those almost , those away from those almost, those progressive green policies which have sown something of a rift within his own party, i think if we look at tuesday in parliament, there was a, a vote on, the new justice act and how they were looking at that. Now that justice act, believe it or not, passed with or that motion passed with with 60 votes, but there was also 62 abstentions. And i think the feeling from humza yousaf was definitely, well, if the greens were part of the bute house agreement, part of this government, in order to provide stability in terms of voting , then you know, he would voting, then you know, he would much rather have his own msps. Now, of course, this vote of no confidence, lets talk about the first one weve got, Douglas Rosss vote of no confidence in humza yousaf. It certainly seems like even if , ash humza yousaf. It certainly seems like even if, ash regan is to vote on side with humza yousaf and the snp, then certainly the vote will. Final vote will fall on alison johnson. Shes the on alison johnson. Shes the presiding officer of the Scottish Parliament and a former green msp now voting Convention States that she would probably vote with the government , but vote with the government, but certainly that would also mean against her old former party, but now almost superseding that is scottish labours vote of no confidence in the government that supersedes it. Because if the snp so snp government lose that vote, then theyre legally bound to basically dissolve parliament and dissolve government. And we would be heading towards a scottish election. Can you believe that that might happen before the next westminster election . Absolutely. Fascinating thank you very much indeed. Tony mcguire, our scotland reporter there in edinburgh, were now joined by freelance columnist Alastair Stewart for some further analysis, alastair, thank you very much indeed for joining us. How much trouble is humza yousuf in and do you think hell last the day. Hell last the day. I think hell last a day but i think he is in more trouble than perhaps even he knows that he is. Yesterday it feels a whirlwind ago now, but he started that day thinking he was in a powerful position and reasserting his authority by chucking the scottish greens out of his own government. Now they are two ministers, but it seems that the snp is now very much collapsing under the weight of 17 years of distraction and policies that are now coming back to haunt them. There is only so much damage that the greens leaving government could do. Clearly the pile on is taking place, led by the scottish conservatives and now the Scottish Labour Party is double downing on blood in the water. And as anyone will tell you that once blood is in the water its very hard to get it out. So even if mr yousaf survives the no confidence vote in him as first minister, theres now a vote of no confidence in his government and thats going to be incredibly hard to shake. Even if he managed to scrape through, hypothetically, both of those challenges to his authority as a former Prime Minister once said, when the herd moves, it moves. It certainly feels like the herd is moving in holyrood today. But were expecting these two. No confidence motions. One, as tony explained in humza yousaf as first minister and one in the Scottish Government as a whole , Scottish Government as a whole, frankly, humza yousaf has got to do some dealing with someone that he once seemed pretty glad to be rid of from his party. The former leadership contender ash regan. Theres a great deal of irony associated with this situation twofold, in fact. One is that ash regan is now a member of the alba party, which is led by alex salmond, which mr yousaf has been extremely critical of in recent months and years. And now recent months and years. And now mr regan finds herself in a position where she actually needs to cast what is effectively one of the final votes on it. Now. She was laughed out of the leadership election that mr yousaf subsequently won. Shes not been taken seriously since, and now she finds herself very much as a kingmaker for his entire future in politics, irony does occasionally come about, but this is a particularly hurtful bout of karma for anyone in the snp who is laughing at alex salmond and laughing at ash regan and not taking their chances of a comeback seriously , chances of a comeback seriously, because they are very much now here and they have something to say. Say. And if humza yousaf does resign, if hes forced out with these no confidence votes , whos these no confidence votes, whos there to replace him . Oh, we are joined now by Katherine Forster. Oh no were not. Im asking essentially what happens next is alistair still with us . Im hoping he is. Alistair what happens . What happens next . Whos in the running . Potentially to take over the top job there . I, truth be told, at this stage, i think its impossible to speculate on. But i think the people who most need to reflect on that question are the snp themselves. Speaking with friends in the party, speaking with associates in the party, you do get a feeling that theyve never quite comfortably sat with mr yousaf over the last yeah sat with mr yousaf over the last year. So i have a sneaking suspicion that a few of them already have in the back of their minds candidates to put forward. This, inevitably, was going to happen. Hes never cemented his position, certainly not stronger as his two predecessors. But the partys itself has a lot of soul searching to do. The candidate that does come forward is someone who is ultimately going to have to work with opposition parties. In a to have to work with opposition parties. In a way thats not happened recently. Independence is unlikely to overtake serious policy issues in scottish politics again for a long time. So you need a serious candidate to come forward with serious solutions. Whos happy to work with opposition parties. It was a surprise , i think, it was a surprise, i think, to many people that humza yousaf didnt win the leadership election by the degree, by which people were expecting he would win a year ago. It was much, much closer than people would have thought against kate forbes , someone who was painted in the media as a sort of christian extremist. But i wonder if extremist. But i wonder if actually none of those candidates will now be the people sort of leading the snp forward. The name that seems to be doing the rounds is neil grey. Someone from much more sort of central casting of the snp, perhaps quite a boring man, but maybe someone who can keep this fractious ship together. I think theres definitely an argument to be made there that someone whos worked on the back benches, perhaps someone whos been strong within committees in the Scottish Parliament, is the stable pair of hands that you need to guide the ship as it goes forward. Certainly, if the party hopes to survive until the next scottish election. Kfir bibas was a very interesting candidate at the last election. The last snp leadership election, certainly because she was put forward as someone who was put forward as someone who was economically literate , who was economically literate, who was economically literate, who was competent and had less of a focus. It was still on her, on her agenda, of course, but less of a focus on independence. If of a focus on independence. If you listen to her speak, then her emphasis was much more on solving problems within scottish pubuc solving problems within scottish public life. Whoever comes forward if someone has to come forward, is going to have to be someone whos prepared to put those policy priorities front and centre and independent. Second, absolutely. Second, absolutely. Thank you very much indeed. Alistair stewart, freelance columnist. To great speak to you, thank you very much. I remember the leadership contest. Kate forbes was unfairly maligned , was she not . Well, maligned, was she not . Well, shes a christian, a christian views. And they were very normal christian views. It seems, though, that she think they were shes sort of mainstream of i dont think they were the most normal. What does she say that was so extreme . She took a view on abortion that i think most christians in the uk wouldnt take the particular church she was a member of is seen as being a bit more hard line than many churches that people are members of in the uk in general, i think. I think she wasnt bang slap in the middle of bog standard christian theology. I think she was perhaps a little bit more evangelical than many people might be interested. People might be interested. She seems to be keeping backing kumsa yousuf through all this turmoil, which is very interesting indeed. But should we move on to Something Else . Sneak peek of this already on the programme, but its none other than Katherine Forster, who will be joining us to say is the rwanda bill already working . Now thats a bit of a curious question, but with the plan to send Asylum Seekers to rwanda being legalised or becoming, an act rather than a bill earlier this week, deputy Prime Minister of ireland is now claiming that actually its rwanda. Is this legislations fault that so many people are coming to ireland. Very odd. Very odd. Yes, of course, this comes against a backdrop of increasing tension. Weve seen riots, weve seen arson attacks in in ireland all over rising immigration, housing shortages, all sorts of things kicking off in ireland. But joining us now is our Political Correspondent Katherine Forster this is quite an interesting row, isnt it, catherine, the irish deputy Prime Minister, essentially saying people are so fearful of this rwanda deportation plan that theyre flooding into into ireland. Is there truth to this . Well, yes, there is apparently, because micheal martin, the deputy irish premier, has been saying that 80 of, people seeking asylum coming in to ireland now are in fact coming, from Northern Ireland. So theyve come in, across the channel, presumably on small boats. Lots of people still come in on lorries as well. Of course. And then of course, because there is effectively no border between Northern Ireland and ireland, of course , still in the eu, they course, still in the eu, they are free to cross the United Kingdom, Northern Ireland into ireland, from which, of course they cannot then be deported from rwanda. So yes, he is saying that the rwanda bill that only passed into law in the early hours of Tuesday Morning only got royal assent. Im sorry, voted through on the early hours of Tuesday Morning and he passed into law yesterday with royal assent, is already having an effect, he said. Its already impacting on ireland because people are fearful of staying in the United Kingdom. So this is clearly a bad news for ireland. Its already got plenty of its own problems as youve mentioned, but good news for the government. Now, of course, the government ultimately wants the rwanda plan to work as a deterrent to stop people crossing the channel. People crossing the channel. Rishi sunak pledged to stop the boats. No evidence of that at the moment. Of course, the numbers are up this year on where they were a year ago , and where they were a year ago, and we had those tragic deaths. Five people died in the channel on Tuesday Morning, but the government is saying that theyre going to get rishi sunak has said , a regular drumbeat of has said, a regular drumbeat of flights taking off to rwanda throughout the summer, i was with the Prime Minister on his trip to poland and to germany this week, he was talking to us. He was very upbeat indeed, theyve had a good week. Number 10. This week. Theyve had plenty of terrible weeks. Mark menzies william wragg, all sorts of scandals. But this week the announcement on defence spending, getting the rwanda plan into law, and then last weeks big announcements on welfare, they feel that they are back on the front foot, so, you know, weve waited two years since this plan was announced to see people on flights to rwanda. It hasnt happened yet, but the government is confident that we dont have too much longer to wait. Thank you very much indeed. Katherine forster, our Political Correspondent, live in westminster. Correspondent, live in westminster. I do wonder if correspondent, live in westminster. I do wonder if the westminster. I do wonder if the deputy Prime Minister and the irish leadership are simply trying to deflect from their failures. They have been for a while very liberal about immigration. Theyre progressive in the way that they view Asylum Seekers and the like. But the irish public in large part are pretty furious. Its a bit of a tinderbox in parts of ireland. Lets not, you know, its not hard to overstate, really. How much. So pretty hard to argue that theres been loads of immigration from the uk to ireland in the last few months because of rwanda. Meanwhile while the number of people coming across on boats seems higher this year than it was last year, despite rwanda, those two things dont quite work, i think. I think, yeah, Michael Martin might be, might be trying to stretch, stretch the truth there. Yes, indeed. 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Well, this comes as the Security Service warns Sensitive Research at british universities is being targeted by hostile foreign states. And this comes as two former parliamentary researchers accused of spying for china have now been released on bail. Now been released on bail. Well, its a concerning security picture, but lets get abreast of it now with the conservative member of parliament for chingford and woodford green, syria, and duncan smith, sir ian , thank you duncan smith, sir ian, thank you for making the time for us, where to start with all of this . It seems that china is becoming more assertive , of more more assertive, of more aggressive and wider reaching in its espionage operations. Its espionage operations. Yeah, thats been apparent for some time. Im one of, seven, members of parliament thats, lords and, mps who are sanctioned by the chinese government, directly, which includes our families as well. And thats all because weve been part of an organisation called the inter Parliamentary Alliance on china, and weve called them to account on a whole series of issues that theyve been doing, such as genocide, in china , theyve genocide, in china, theyve broken all the trade rules and they spy the whole time on us. And universities are very, very , and universities are very, very, heavily loaded into chinese dependency. And they are very dependency. And they are very vulnerable at the moment. And we have to tread carefully, of course, because this is an ongoing live case. But there have been these two men, theyre now out on bail, but theyve been accused of spying for china for is this a very real problem that people inside of our institutions, acting in parliament, out in our universities are not necessarily chinese themselves, but theyre spying on behalf of china. Its a mix of both. There are definitely, people who are chinese, chinese passport holders who have been in the uk and have, been spying , no and have, been spying, no question about that. There being cases of postgrad students, being involved in defence contracts. So our vetting of contracts. So our vetting of many people have been very poor indeed. Many people have been very poor indeed. But theres also what indeed. But theres also what i always call the fellow travellers, those people that have been out to china and have become, imbued with the idea that china is right, and they rather like the idea of intolerance , regimes like the intolerance, regimes like the chinese who tell people what to do. And if they dont do what they do, then they get arrested and dealt with. And this sort of communities are sometimes quite inviting to those who have been out there studying. So there are 1 or 2 of those around , there 1 or 2 of those around, there are two people that are accused now of spying, one who was working for an organisation called the Chinese Research group, which is a very small group of people , includes the group of people, includes the existing chairman of the foreign secretary, the Foreign Affairs select committee, and then theres another individual ive never heard of who has turned up to have been spying as well. Thats where the accusation is. So they wouldnt be making those accusations if they werent very certain that they had the right element of data. This is a war going on. Its a cyber war and china is spending its time attacking and trying to find ways through our systems , ways through our systems, throughout all of the western world, what i call the free world. Those who believe in democracy, human rights and the rule of law. So and they are the important thing that people should understand is that china isnt alone in this. Theres what i call a new axis of totalitarian states, which the heart of which is china, the second most powerful economic nafion second most powerful economic nation on the planet and probably the second most powerful military. Country after the United States. And it includes north korea , russia and includes north korea, russia and iran, very carefully involving and coordinating their actions at the moment. So it is a very threatening affair. And its going to get worse. Thats a its a stark warning there, sir. And i suppose we should say at this point, those that have been accused have not been proven to have done anything wrong. Being accused doesnt necessarily, of course, mean that there is guilt implied there. But, but, sir ian, this feels like a new cold war in many ways. I can sort of read about the spies that existed in the 1960s and 70s at cambridge university. You read about sort of how in many ways, its usually the sort of intelligentsia that gets involved in this sort of network of, of espionage. Are we seeing a mirror image of what the soviet union was sort of spreading out in this country, half a century ago now with china today . China today . Yeah, in some cases, i think this is even worse. Remember, the soviet union was a deemed as a military superpower, but it it ran its military on the back of an economy probably smaller than new york state, it was tiny. And they spent huge proportions of their income, on defence. I mean, i always say to people, can you remember a single thing that you ever bought that had the label on it marked a made in in the soviet union . And the answer was no, because if you did were and so stupid to have bought it, it would have broken down. It wouldnt work. Its different now. China has become incredibly wealthy on the back of western Companies Running to china to do their business with them, because they were able to get cheaper deals, cheaper, cheaper labour costs. Now all of that has made china an absolute economic superpower, and we are dependent now on china for so many things. You dont even realise how many things are made. I mean, i was having an argument with amazon the other day because they dont tell you where things are made and they should do so. All of this, im afraid , is part of the afraid, is part of the undermining of the resolve of the free world. And if you look right now, everything all the way, the links between them and iran, what iran is doing in the uk with the irgc, the, the, getting people in different muslim communities to be much more angry about life and about everything else. And. Absolutely, sir ian, im terribly sorry. Were going to have to leave it there, but its been fantastic to talk to you, and id love to hear more about your battle with amazon as well. Really great to speak to you, sir. Iain duncan smith, conservative mp for chingford and woodford green. Lots to say on that. But coming up is our asylum system , broken . Were asylum system, broken . Were discussing this, this is related to the case of a moroccan Asylum Seeker who brutally murdered a pensioner. But first, your afternoon headlines. Afternoon headlines. Its 1234. Afternoon headlines. Its1234. Im afternoon headlines. Its 1234. Im sofia wenzler in the gp newsroom. First are in the gp newsroom. First are some news. Justin, a 20 year old man has been charged with conducting hostile activity in the uk to benefit russia. Dylan earl is accused of masterminding an arson plot on london businesses after allegedly being recruited as a russian spy. Four other men were also charged in connection with the same investigation. Ian, well bring investigation. Ian, well bring you more information as we get it. To other news now, it. To other news now, scotlands first minister is due to speak soon ahead of a crucial test of his leadership contest next week. Its after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens yesterday , leaving humza yousaf yesterday, leaving humza yousaf in charge of a minority government. Shadow chancellor government. Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves says its time for a fresh start in scotland. We will back the motion of no confidence in humza yousaf, but weve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish Government. And whole Scottish Government. And if anas sarwar and scottish labour are successful with that amendment, the government will fall and therell be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in scotland. The chaos and division at the heart of the snp is having a real impact on Public Services and the lives and communities across scotland, and we now have two broken governments the snp in scotland and the conservatives in westminster. It is time for fresh elections in scotland and across the uk , and two men have across the uk, and two men have been charged with immigration offences after the deaths of five migrants, including a young girl who were trying to cross the english channel. The five migrants were on one of several packed boats that pushed off from the beach of wimereux in france on Tuesday Morning. And for the latest morning. And for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen , or go to gb news. Com screen, or go to gb news. Com alerts i good afternoon. Britain. Its coming up to 20 to 1. Now is our broken asylum system putting british lives at risk . The moroccan born killer ahmed khalid was allowed to stay in the uk after being arrested and having his application rejected in italy and germany. He travelled around 13 different European Countries before ending up here now. Yesterday he was found guilty of murdering 70 year old Terence Carney after being inspired , apparently to being inspired, apparently to take revenge for the israel hamas conflict. How on israel hamas conflict. How on earth was he in this country and allowed to stay here . Well, joining us now is immigration lawyer ivan sampson. Immigration lawyer ivan sampson. Ivan, thank you for joining us. This is just the most extraordinary case, but i suppose it speaks to more than anything else just how slow our system is here in the uk. Yes, absolutely. So theres serious questions raised by the delay in deciding, a leeds, asylum application. Thats the first thing. And secondly, you might want to know whats going to happen to lead. How will the pubuc to happen to lead. How will the public be protected when hes released . I think thats an important issue because this individual should not be in this country. He shouldnt be deported and removed for to protect the public, hes a dangerous person and the public needs to be protected and be assured. Ivan. Ivan, we do. See, i take your point completely about the slow processes of the home office. But time and time again we see foreign criminals being allowed to stay in this country because of their human rights. What rights will this man have if he does serve a sentence in this country . Finishes it, then what . What rights will he have . Will he be able to make a claim that he should be able to stay in this country . No, he cant. And the law was changed back in april last year and essentially theres two exceptions to the rule. There will be automatic deported. Deported. One is that he has strong links to the uk. And you have to have a lawful residence and b, resident here for most of your life, first of all. And therell be, very difficult for him to reintegrate it back in his home country. So those are the two the other exceptions. The two the other exceptions. One is if hes in a relationship with someone settled here who has a child here, and there will be unduly harsh for them to relocate back to the island. Why would we . Why would we . Why would having finished. Okay, go on. Finished . It doesnt apply to him. It wont apply. None of that will apply to him because hes been sentenced to more than four years. So those exceptions will not apply to him. He will be deported and quite rightly, the secretary of state will make that deportation order. I wonder this question of not being able to reintegrate in your own country. Thats curious. Why should the British Public or the British Home Office care about about that necessarily . Well, ill tell you why. Look, i did a case where someone had been living in for 40 years, had been living in for 40 years, had never, you know, he hed come here as a as a baby , had come here as a as a baby, had indefinite leave to remain but never got a british passport, so hed committed an offence. Did his time was rehabilitated. Did. His time was rehabilitated. Did. Came back out again. Got british wife and children. Its the wife and children. Its the article eight is decided on its individual facts. But what the law says the more serious the crime. Thats more than four years. The balance shifts in favour of the state to protect the public. So those really serious crimes. Its quite right that the public should be protected. But the less serious crimes, especially ones that not concern , offences against concern, offences against persons, the Violent Crimes , persons, the Violent Crimes, well, its a balancing exercise. So someone whos lived here, lets say, 99 of their life in the uk and have a family here, is it right to deport them . Im not sure about that, but in but in this case, there should be no hiccups. Hiccups. It should go, fairly smoothly and he should be shown the door after his sentence. Well, lets lets hope that that the right to appeal, though, wont he, ivan . Hell have a right to appeal. Hell have a right to appeal. As i said , he can challenge as i said, he can challenge it. He has a right under article eight, but it will fail because the exceptions dont apply to him. Okay . Hes going to get sentenced to for more than four years for murder. Its a statutory life imprisonment. So im afraid those exceptions will not apply. And thats quite right. And you see, over the last ten years the law has been in flux. Various case laws. Youve heard heard about people avoiding deportation for the most, you know, strange reasons, but now the home office in april last year, through a statement of change, have clarified all of that simplified it. And so its much easier for the courts to interpret what the law is. Thats very good news. Well, ivan samson, thank you for joining us and talking through that case. Really really interesting stuff. And an interesting stuff. And an interesting that its now all been clarified. And lets hope been clarified. And lets hope so. If only it would be a travesty of happened. You know, quite a bit earlier than just last april. I dont know how many deportation flights get stopped on the tarmac, anyway, is having children going out of fashion . The mp miriam cates warns that it is says it could become culturally unusual for couples to have children. Well speak to her. Next. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 12 minutes to one. Now. A few months ago, conservative mp miriam cates spoke to demographers at the alliance for responsible citizenship about what she called the elephant in the room when it comes to britains economic prospects. Yes. And in the discussion, published in a podcast this week, miriam cates, who is known for speaking out on issues related to children and families, claimed that the decline in child birth rates could lead to economic stagnation as regardless of whether you stand on the left or the right, a good workforce is needed for a strong economy. Well, britains fertility rate is just half half of what it was 60 years ago. And with immigration at record levels now, should the British Public be making more of an effort to have more babies , making more of. Oh, thats funny question, isnt it, were joined now by miriam cates herself. Miriam i like the way we put that. It made me laugh, miriam , its very made me laugh, miriam, its very sad, actually, because ive heard you speak about this issue quite a lot. And youve said in this , in this podcast that now this, in this podcast that now a podcast saying that it could become culturally unusual for couples to have babies. And couples to have babies. And there are a lot of women out there are a lot of women out there who desperately want babies , but they cant have them babies, but they cant have them for whatever reason. For whatever reason. So i think we are waking up to the fact that that this is a problem. And of course, i should absolutely say at the outset, some people dont want to have children. Thats absolutely legitimate. Thats absolutely legitimate. Its always been the case. Nobody least of all me, has got any interest in trying to encourage people who dont want to have children to have children. Thats not necessary at all. But what the polling suggests is that the vast, vast majority of young women do want to have children 92, in fact , and on children 92, in fact, and on average, they want 2. 3 children. So 2 or 3 children, in other words. But sadly, we know that up to about 30 of the current cohort of young women. So 18 to 35 year olds probably wont end up with children. Now, thats a up with children. Now, thats a serious social problem. Thats a lot of young women and obviously men as well. Of course, ending up childless when actually they always planned to have children. Thatis always planned to have children. That is a big source of grief for many people, and thats why we should be trying hard to fix the barriers. But also its a serious economic problem because i think we have been told for so long the world is overpopulated , long the world is overpopulated, there are too many people, its causing climate change, etc. Now , thats not to say there arent problems with fast growing populations. There can be, but actually its the opposite of that. Thats happening now. And when i was born, there was about four working age people to every pensioner in this country. So for people working, paying taxes , doing jobs to support one person whos retired, its now 3 to 1. And by the end of my life, it will be 2 to 1. Now you think of the impact that has on the amount of tax that people have to pay, the amount of care work that needs to be done, its economically unsustainable. And thats why so many western economies, including ours, are now creaking at the seams with Health Care Bills and social care work and tax bills that theyre almost unable to pay because the demographics are kind of upside down. So this is a serious problem, both socially but also economically. Theres such a stark statistic moving from for working age people to a pensioner to two. I mean, just simple maths there. Youd have to double taxes just to keep pensions level. I mean, thats extraordinary. Extraordinary. Exactly. And this is why both left and right get hung up with the kind of ideology of tax rates. You know, the left want more spending, the right want lower taxes. But you can neither have lower taxes or more spending. If you dont have enough young people coming into the workforce to work and pay tax. Thats just the workforce to work and pay tax. Thats just basic the workforce to work and pay tax. Thats just basic maths. Tax. Thats just basic maths. Its not ideology, its not politics. And i think thats what weve got to weve got to realise and Start Talking about and miriam, do we know the breakdown of this . Because obviously not all women are the same. Which types of women, if i can say that are not having children . Is it university educated women who have gone on to careers and they may leave it a little too late, is it People Living in cities . Is it People Living in cities . Do we have a breakdown . I think theres quite a lot of different strands to this, andifs of different strands to this, and its actually really interesting to look at how the data kind of adds up. So the headune data kind of adds up. So the headline figures are that you need 2. 1 babies per woman to have this stable demographic where you have enough people coming into the workforce to replace those who are leaving it, and were now down to about 1. 5 babies per woman. But its not as simple as that. Whats happening is that women who do become mothers tend to have the same number of children as they might have done in the 70s. So two, three or maybe four children. What has changed is the number of women who never become mothers at all. And i think there are a number of factors in that. Firstly, people are leaving it later. Thats partly a function of education. Its definitely a function of house prices, people seem to finding it harder to find partners in cities. So that seems to be a big a big factor because obviously you do leave it later. Sadly, there is a greater chance that you wont be successful in becoming pregnant , successful in becoming pregnant, so that thats definitely one factor, but there are a whole load of other issues, and thats why i think culture is quite important here as well, because of course, having a child is partly dependent on finding a partner, having enough money. But also you look at what other people are doing too, dont you . And youre unlikely to want to have a child if theres nobody else in your community with a baby. No parent and baby groups, you know, no safe place to take your child to play. And i think your child to play. And i think its partly a cultural thing that the fewer children we have, the fewer children people will want to have. And that is something that government can surely get absolutely. Well, miriam cates, thank you very much for joining well, miriam cates, thank you very much forjoining us. I think weve just cut out at the end there, but we got all of that interview there. Its terribly sad, isnt it . Lots of women want wanting to have children either. Not meeting the right partner, not being able to afford it, pursuing their career and not thinking about it until its too late, and the difficulties of the costs . Of course, one of the harshest things i think that came to light this week. The economist did a piece on it the size of houses in the uk compared to france or america, or even the netherlands. The size of houses is small. People dont have a spare room. Are you going to . Are you going to have a child if they have to live in in your one room flat with you . I mean, but then some people would say, maybe young people these days arent willing to make the sacrifices necessary. Thats another school of thought. But anyway , still to thought. But anyway, still to come, homes usas future hanging in the balance. Its got in the balance. 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Were expecting some words from humza yousaf this afternoon. Could he resign and should life in prison actually mean life . A teenage murderer who tortured her grandmother before dumping her body in a canal is back on the streets . Well have the debate. The debate. Is our asylum system working . Morocco born killer ahmed al fayed was allowed to stay in the uk after being arrested and having his application rejected in italy and germany yesterday. He was found guilty of murdering 70 year old Terence Carney. Now we are expecting humza yousaf to Say Something today. One speech was cancelled but theres all rumours swirling about some words, something that he might say and its got a lot of people guessing. It has got a lot of people guessing and wondering whether hes going to come out swinging, saying hes the leader for scotland, saying, of course he can work towards a better towards independence for scotland. No worries about the fact hes now got a minority government. If only everyone will work with him. Get on board with his agenda, it would all be all right or will he buckle under the pressure and perhaps resign . Resign . Could he last, could he last for a lesser amount of time than our dear friend humza youssif will be, will be green for will. Will this, will humza yousaf be fresh for longer than humza yousaf . Hes got a little. Its yousaf . Hes got a little. Its starting to go off a little bit actually. Already which i, im surprised hes only bought a cheapo lettuce. Didnt you. Didnt you. I bought, i bought a lettuce this morning and now hes already going off. I mean, we wont say where he got it from. Of course you can get your lettuce from wherever you fancy. Supermarkets from all good supermarkets. But this is the question of the day, really . Will humza yousaf last the day . Will humza yousaf last the day . Will humza yousaf last the day . Will he be gone very shortly indeed, or will he struggle on . Will he be able to spin this all in his favour . In his favour . And is it really in his gift . Could ash regan be the person who actually becomes perhaps the most powerful woman in scotland . Two no confidence votes to take place next week. But might it all collapsed before then . Gbnews. Com yoursay will be across. It all will be north of the border and well be looking out for those words from humza yousaf all after your latest headunes. Headlines. Good afternoon. Its 1 02. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story this houn newsroom. Your top story this hour. Scots first minister is due to speak soon ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week. Its after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens yesterday , leaving humza yousaf yesterday, leaving humza yousaf in charge of a minority government. Shadow chancellor government. Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves says its time for a fresh start in scotland. We will back the motion of no confidence in humza yousaf, but weve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish Government. And if anas sarwar and scottish labour are successful with that amendment, the government will fall and therell be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in scotland. The chaos and division at the heart of the snp is having a real impact on Public Services and the lives and communities across scotland , and we now have two scotland, and we now have two broken governments the snp in scotland and the conservatives in westminster. It is time for fresh elections in scotland and across the uk. Across the uk. In other news, a 20 year old man has been charged with conducting hostile activity in the uk to benefit russia. Dylan ail is accused of masterminding an arson plot on london businesses after allegedly being recruited as a russian for spy other men, were also charged in connection with the same investigation. 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The deputy Prime Minister has announced a consultation on measures to protect britains universities , and for the latest universities, and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Common shirts. Now its back to tom and. Emily. Thanks, sophia, well, welcome back to good afternoon britain. Back to good afternoon britain. Were on gb news. Can humza yousaf save his political career . Is it hanging by thread . Well, were expecting, of course, him to speak this very afternoon , so were going to afternoon, so were going to keep abreast of that. But of course, the snp power sharing deal with the greens collapsed yesterday. Yesterday. Yes. And following the scottish conservatives decision to lodge a motion of no confidence in the first minister, scottish labour have now upped the ante by tabling a now upped the ante by tabling a no confidence motion in the entire Scottish Government, with their leader, anas sarwar , their leader, anas sarwar, saying it is now a question of if not when. Humza yousaf resigns or when, if not, if indeed. But lets go back to edinburgh and speak to gb news scotland reporter tony maguire. Because i suppose, tony, there are a number of things on the table here. Those, those two motions of no confidence next week, but also a cancelled speech from humza yousaf today. Some words were expecting from him this afternoon. It could all happen here. Indeed. Certainly we know that humza yousaf, he cancelled that humza yousaf, he cancelled that independence, Labour Market speech at Strathclyde University and instead staying in his nafive and instead staying in his native dundee to speak about social housing. Now we got a sense from the Scottish Government just before you came to me there to say that what the plan is that the Scottish Government is going to invest 600 million by 2425, including an £80 million uplift, to basically procure houses and to minimise the scottish homelessness problem. Now, this isindeed homelessness problem. Now, this is indeed quite a left turn to what we were expecting , but it what we were expecting, but it seems to be that humza yousaf is, at least for now, wanting to project a business as usual approach. However, he will be talking to press afterwards and i can guarantee that they will not want to talk about social housing one second longer than they have to. There are much bigger questions in scottish politics right now, and i will say im quite a fan of this latest chat. And certainly humza yousaf, for example. Well, someone in his inner circle should surely be seeing iceberg dead ahead because he has far too many and far too many problems to , i would argue, be problems to, i would argue, be be dealing with business as usual tasks right now. But there is an idea here that perhaps this is a motion to extend an olive branch to people who he hopes will vote with him next week. But certainly the numbers dont lie. He is really up against it. And those votes of no confidence, whether or not the government do and the government vote of no confidence will go through, is another question. But indeed quite, quite a lot to take in and absorb at this moment, certainly absorb at this moment, certainly a huge amount to absorb. And tony, it just reminds me of when Boris Johnson saw his government collapsing around him. What did he do . He went off to the Liaison Committee started answering questions on Foreign Policy and all the rest of it. And while everyone sort of sat there, sort of slightly bewildered, going, why arent you talking about the political issue of your government collapsing . Youre trying to project an image that just doesnt match reality. Perhaps thats what humza yousaf will face this afternoon. But tony mcguire, thank you so much for joining us there. Live from edinburgh. Yes, indeed. Thank you tony. Good stuff. Keeping the iceberg lettuce afloat. We can now also get the thoughts of the former snp mp angus mcneil. Angus, thank you very much indeed for joining us on the show. Im interested about how much power ash regan has in all this. Interested about how much power ash regan has in all this. Now. Ash regan has in all this. Now. She quit the snp, didnt she . Over the self id issue. She thought it was becoming far too easy for people to legally change their gender in scotland. Could humza yousaf have to u turn on those issues in order to keep her support or to keep her on board to, well , decide her on board to, well, decide his fate . Yeah, the greens forgot about the environment and the snp forgot about independence and, fending for themselves in this, sorry mess , in some ways, ash sorry mess, in some ways, ash reganis sorry mess, in some ways, ash regan is now the kingmaker, which brings on another problem for factions within the snp, because, of course , ash regan is because, of course, ash regan is augned because, of course, ash regan is aligned to alex salmond. And there are some in the snp that would rather not have independence because alex salmond probably wants it. And theres some, visceral, nonsense going on there. So it might be a problem that humza has is not with ash, regan or anybody else. But as you get some of the snp guys who, who might not turn up at a vote of no confidence and of course, he needs every vote and theyve all got to be there. And ash then decides, so its very much up in the air at the moment. Therell probably be some bluffing going on within the snp to try and get humza to resign before then. So that they dont, so that theyre not smoked out as not attending in an act of disloyalty to their leader, would have no confidence. So the soap opera will continue. You raise such an important point there. Its been completely underdiscussed by everyone whos been talking about this. Weve all been going on about how there are 63 scottish nationalist msps in the in the Scottish Parliament who are members of the snp and 64 who belong to parties, who are who are now saying that theyll vote against. But but theres nothing to say that all 63 snp msps will all unite behind humza yousaf. Now until recently, angus, these were your colleagues. Youre now an independent mp. But do you think theres a genuine prospect there of some of these people perhaps stabbing him in the back, his own party, saying , perhaps stabbing him in the back, his own party, saying, mr yousaf, its time to go . Yousaf, its time to go . Well, firstly, with the recent debacle over the last few months of the snp , theres months of the snp, theres hardly a day goes past that. I dont thank my lucky stars that ive, that ive parted ways with the snp. I mean , unless they the snp. I mean, unless they refocus on independence, theres no real point. But do you . But no real point. But do you . But your question about, you know, will will everybody turn up, will will everybody turn up, will ever be back . Humza yousaf i think there are some at the moment who would like to stab him in the back, but dont want to be seen doing that, and humza could help them, from making a courageous stance by resigning beforehand. So i think the pressure is on him. So humza is probably got a battle at the moment between those who want him to stay and those who want him to stay and those who want him to stay and those who want him to go, he got rid of the greens in a very clumsy manner. The greens. Greens might have flounced out anyway, and he probably should have let them flounce out, to be absolutely honest, that would have seen him leave with the greens not feeling wounded and hurt and vengeful as they are now, and would have seen him move to a sort of a softer landing place. But i think he wanted to be man of action, in charge of his own destiny, for whatever purpose, and has found himself in this, point of not of his own thinking anyway, but certainly of his own making. Now, the question , making. Now, the question, another question then arises did anybody advise him to do this . And if they advised him, why did they advise him . You know what . Somebody was somebody else in his ear gaming it a bit further than than humza gamed it, but angus, you say that he would do well to focus on independence , well to focus on independence, but surely one of the issues why humza yousaf is not so popular in scotland is because hes not focusing enough on the bread and butter issues that matter to people day to day. In scotland weve had a lot of scottish people getting in touch who are fed up with the government seemingly not focusing on things like the cost of living, the nhs, homeless , anas nhs, homeless, anas worklessness, drug deaths etc. Etc. So is that not the most important thing for the vast majority of people in scotland . You make a good list there and a list of failures that apply and a list of failures that apply across the United Kingdom. And we look at a United Kingdom at the moment in the state. It is with a very unpopular conservative party thats about to be booted out of office with a huge loss. And we look across the water to ireland, the independent part of ireland with its 8 billion surplus that can do all those things. You list if it chooses. With the 8 billion. We look at the part of ireland, that remained within. Wheres the evidence to suggest angus . Wheres the evidence to suggest that independence would grant scotland the ability to do all these things . Surely, according to most economic analysis, it would cost the scottish economy. Youd have less money to spend on Public Services. Weve seen how hikes in taxes, for example, have pushed the wealthiest out of scotland. Well, i mean, rather than the theoretical, we can look at the practical, practically ireland left the United Kingdom. Ireland is a far better place if ireland had remained in the United Kingdom, it would be a bigger basket case than wales or or Northern Ireland. So independence definitely works. Independence definitely works. Thatis independence definitely works. That is there for people to see well in the uk certainly doesnt work. People do. Studied the history of ireland would raise the question of whether it was this panacea of Economic Opportunity for 50 years after it left the United Kingdom. For it left the United Kingdom. For 50 years it was a it was known to be a bit of an economic backwater, huge problem for Northern Ireland. Low low life expectancy, all the rest. It wasnt until they deregulated their economy, cut corporation tax, they became this sort of tiger economy. But im not sure tiger economy. But im not sure thats what the snp vision of scotland is. The uk. The uk. The uk. Oh well, im afraid we do. Im being told we have to move on, but angus mcneil will have to get you back. And thank you so much for your spirited conversation. Very welcome. Really appreciate it. Former snp mp, now independent member of the house of commons. Yes, i do wonder if the vast majority of scottish people probably would prefer the focus being on, you know, the economy, the nhs, etc. Etc. Anyway, let us know what you make of that. Looking at the polls in ireland, i mean theres a reason that sinn fein are ahead and that sinn fein are ahead and that theres a housing crisis and a migration crisis. I mean, ireland is in crisis as well in many ways. Well, if you want to escape all these crises, there is still time to grab your chance to win a greek cruise. Travel goodies and a £10,000 tax free Cash Bank Balance boost. Heres all the details you need. Details you need. Dont miss your chance to win our biggest prize so far. Theres an incredible £10,000 in tax free cash to spend however you like. Plus, courtesy of you like. Plus, courtesy of variety cruises, a bespoke seven night small boat cruise for two worth £10,000 with flights, meals, excursions and drinks included , your next holiday included, your next holiday could be on us. 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Yeah, well, coming up next, one of britains most notorious killers has been released from prison after she was locked up at 14. Now well be debating whether life in prison should mean life , even for kids who mean life, even for kids who kill. Well, this is good afternoon. Britain on. Gb news. Its 123 in the afternoon. Youre watching. Good afternoon. Britain. Now a woman who, 25 years ago, at the age of just 14, tortured , shot and killed 14, tortured, shot and killed her 71 year old grandmother, was last month released from prison on licence. But this isnt the first time shes been let out. Sarah davey has been bailed and re incarcerated no less than seven times since march 2013 for breach of bail conditions. Now, the decision to release her has caused outrage, with many arguing she should be locked up for the rest of her life. So should life in prison really mean life, especially, perhaps for child killers . Well, to debate this, were joined by former detective chief inspector colin sutton, famed for catching the notorious killer of milly dowler. Levi bellfield and gb news owen. Patrick christys. Well start patrick christys. Well start with you, well start with you. Colin, great to have you on on the show. This case is absolutely vile. Reading the detail of what happened those years ago, its shocking to anyone. Years ago, its shocking to anyone. How could such a person anyone. How could such a person ever be let out of jail . Ever be let out of jail . Well, i mean, i think as a general rule, that life should mean life. And youd probably expect me to think that given that i spent so much time trying to put people there, i think we have to qualify that where the killer is a child , and we have killer is a child, and we have to accept that, to consign somebody to be in prison for 60 or 70 or 80 years is probably something that that we ought to think twice about, so i understand why this happens , i understand why this happens, i think the fact that sarah davey was let out seven times as an aduu was let out seven times as an adult , was let out seven times as an adult, perhaps tends to show that she hasnt made that journey to rehabilitation in quite the way wed expect , its quite the way wed expect, its a matter for the parole board, and i think there are a number of cases recently, where perhaps the views of the parole board dont actually chime with the views of the general public, you know, we think of john warboys, we can think of Colin Pitchfork and venables as well. And so, you know, its something im i understand the outrage. I really understand the outrage. I really understand the outrage. I really understand the outrage, i think do i think that 14 year olds who kill should be given a chance to rehabilitate . Yes, i do , do rehabilitate . Yes, i do, do i think that somebody who has had seven such chances and blown them away, deserves an eighth chance, and probably i think thats a lot more doubtful. I would have thought that by chance, sort of 3 or 4, theyd have got the picture, but clearly not, patrick, what do you make of it all . Well, some people are born evil, arent they . And why should we have to suffer to have them back out on the streets . There are some crimes that are so serious that you should pay for it, either with your life or for it, either with your life or for the rest of your life. This was a sadistic murder , the was a sadistic murder, the details of which absolutely cannot be read out on air at this particular time of day. There are three issues here. Is this for justice the families of victims . When someone like this is allowed out, victims . When someone like this is allowed out , maybe victims . When someone like this is allowed out, maybe in their 30s, they can start a family of their own. They can go on holiday, they can do all of these nice things in life that that person can never do because theyve been killed and the families have a life sentence, has she been punished . This individual, sarah davey, theres pictures of her in full makeup and dresses in prison. I would argue there are also reports of her being allowed on nights out and things like that. I dont think thats punishment. Has she been rehabilitated . Youve mentioned shes been allowed out on licence seven times. She was recalled to prison once for, as well, having drugs in her system for goodness sake, as shes breached her bail conditions. I just think a release like this is a slap in the face, really, to us all. Its another example of soft justice. And just because shes a child, while she was old enough to commit the heinous crimes she committed. Heinous crimes she committed. Well, colin, i are. People are some people fundamentally born evil , irredeemable . Should born evil, irredeemable . Should we just not let some people ever back into society . Oh yeah. Absolutely absolutely agree with that entirely. You know, i, i understand the, the need for punishment. And i think thats a thing that the general public demand and desire, and i agree with. I agree with that. This, this, this, this woman, girl, whatever she was when she committed this, its just so horrible. She does deserve punishing for it. Theres no doubt about that , im ive doubt about that, im ive always been really more concerned with protection and with safeguarding going forward. And i think in some ways, you know, theres a parallel thing with imprisonment. One is the punishment which society deserves. But equally important, or perhaps even more important, is the fact that we need to protect other people from these evil, wicked people going forward. And, you know, if she is in the position now, shes an aduu is in the position now, shes an adult in her late 30s, i understand, and shes still not taking these chances for her rehabilitation. Then i would rehabilitation. Then i would question the decision to let her out. Absolutely. I would , it out. Absolutely. I would, it seems shes shes been out for about a year and we didnt know about a year and we didnt know about it, that might indicate that this time shes playing the game. But, you know, to give somebody eight chances in those circumstances, i think is , it circumstances, i think is, it seems a lot of chances for someone who committed such a horrific crime , but, patrick, horrific crime, but, patrick, surely there is a rehabilitation route for some killers, especially those who are children. Can people not change their lives around . Their lives around . I mean, i would have a look at some of the evidence. Youve got people like one of the bulger killers whos been recalled, to prison for some absolutely disgusting crimes , absolutely disgusting crimes, child pornography, images and drugs offences as well. There, i question whether or not that individual is as being rehabilitated. I think if rehabilitated. I think if somebody is a complete and utter murderous psychopath , i murderous psychopath, i personally think there is a responsibility. The responsibility. The responsibility should always be to the wider public. There are people who are just deranged. There is an argument as well to say yes, fine. If somebody is say yes, fine. If somebody is a child, then maybe do give them a chance, not seven chances though. Certainly not. Theres other crimes though, as well that i just do not think you can be rehabilitated from. You know, theres a story in the times, yesterday as well about, you know, a guy who was a major player in al qaeda, for example, apparently going to let him back out onto the streets. How many more chances do we have to give these people . You look at usman khan, the fishmongers hall attacker. He conned people into thinking hed been rehabilitated. People died. And rehabilitated. People died. And what i would like to ask the parole board is when it comes to sir davey, would you live next door to her . Because someone is going to have to. So would you allow these people to come out of prison and live next door to you . And if the answer to that is no, then they should spend the rest of their lives behind bars. If were not going to introduce the death penalty, which i understand may be not for someone whos a child that commits a crime, colin, you mentioned before how very often it seems the parole board is out of step with the views of the public. Why do you think it is so often the case that the parole board seems to be in such a different place to perhaps the modal morality of the United Kingdom . Well, i mean, theyre just another limb, really, of the sort of establishment that we now have. And theres this group think that is so out of step in so many ways with the vast majority of the people in this country. And theyre just another, another facet of it, sadly , they dont have a very sadly, they dont have a very good track record. It has to be said in spotting the people that ought to be released. I think thats fair to say. And a fair criticism of them, you know, and thats the issue. Of course there will be there will be scores of people that are paroled that we dont hear about because they do go on, i suppose, to lead a useful life. Suppose, to lead a useful life. And, and we dont hear about that, but these high profile cases where the, the act itself was of such devastating evilness, i dont think we ought to trust the record of the parole board in spotting them when theyre fit for release. When theyre fit for release. Well, colin sutton, former detective chief inspector and of course, our very own patrick christys. Thank you very much for both joining us and talking through that issue. Really, really, really fascinating. Really, really fascinating. And indeed concerning case, that detail of being let out seven times already being brought back into prison. It does kind of show, does it not . That perhaps hasnt been rehabilitated. At what point to live outside of the prison . I live outside of the prison . I mean, i dont know, but the details of that crime are absolutely horrendous. Let us know what you make of it. Gbnews. Com yoursay should life really mean life . Even if you are a child when you commit the crime . 14 in this case, well, coming up next, more crime and justice news. An Asylum Seeker has been found guilty of murdering a 70 year old pensioner. Is our broken asylum system putting british lives at risk . That next on good afternoon britain. On good afternoon britain. Its 131. On good afternoon britain. Its131. Im sophia wenzler and the gb news room. Your headlines. A 20 year old man has been charged with conducting hostile activity in the uk to benefit russia. Dylan earl is accused of masterminding an arson plot on london businesses after allegedly being recruited as a russian spy. Four other men were also charged in connection with the same investigation. On with the same investigation. On to other news. Scotlands first minister is due to speak at an eventin minister is due to speak at an event in dundee ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week. Its after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens yesterday, leaving humza yousaf in charge of a minority government. Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves says its time for a fresh start in scotland. Well back the motion of no confidence in humza yousaf, but weve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish Government. And if anas sarwar and scottish labour are successful with that amendment, the government will fall and therell be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in scotland. The chaos and division at the heart of the snp is having a real impact on Public Services and the lives and communities across scotland , and we now have two scotland, and we now have two broken governments the snp in scotland and the conservatives in westminster. 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Britain. Now is our asylum system. Our broken asylum system. Our broken asylum system. Putting british lives at risk. Well, morocco born killer ahmed al fayed was allowed to stay in the uk after being arrested. And despite having his application rejected in italy and in germany. And now, yesterday, he was found guilty of murdering 70 year old Terence Carney after being inspired to take revenge for the israel hamas conflict. Well, joining us now is human rights lawyer fadi farhat. And, fadi, this is just an incomprehensible case to so many people. Shouldnt it have been an open and shut case that this man was rejected in italy . Rejected in germany . And yet for three years, his application was languishing in the uk system. Languishing in the uk system. Good afternoon. Yes well, thats, thats a very thats a concern that everybody has is the sort of the backlog, the, the sort of the backlog, the, the time it takes for the home office to consider applications , office to consider applications, this on, on the face of it was a claim which could have been assessed, much more promptly than it was. It didnt need to take the best part of 3 to 4 years. I think the claim was still technically pending when the offence was committed last october, i think when the gentleman was arrested by the police, he said that he hadnt actually received a decision even even until that point. So its been pending for three years. And thats a concern that we have, is that there doesnt seem to be a mechanism to identify or , assess cases in a identify or, assess cases in a preliminary fashion and determine which ones may require more further inquiries and which ones could be the subject of prompt, determination that doesnt seem to exist. It just seems to be all lumped into one. And then everything goes through the pipeline almost at once, without any mechanism to distinguish the type of case. The nature of case, and that thatis the nature of case, and that that is the problem, in this, in this matter. And what reasonable claim could a man from morocco have to seek asylum in this country to begin with . Well, all the asylum claims are confidential by their very nature. From what we know in the pubuc nature. From what we know in the public domain, he had indicated that he had a problem with moroccos Intelligence Service in two thousand and seven. So that could that could encapsulate a variety of reasons where he may have come to the, adverse attention of moroccos Intelligence Service, of course, the credibility of that needs to be assessed , on its face, if it be assessed, on its face, if it was dismissed in other European Countries , and therefore the countries, and therefore the decisions of other countries could have been used as a platform for the uk to determine the claim here and to dismiss it, on, on, on that basis, because it had been decided and it could have used the, the material already decided and known, and that and that didnt happen. And that led to a long penod happen. And that led to a long period of delay , but morocco is period of delay, but morocco is a country which is , its a country which is, its a tourist destination. Its, a developing country, but it also has its problems. So its very difficult to speculate as to what he may have encountered in morocco , but thats the official morocco, but thats the official reason provided, its interesting , i suppose there are interesting, i suppose there are so many different points of failure in this case that the speed of the uk system overall , speed of the uk system overall, the intelligence sharing that we could and perhaps should have with other countries. But but how do we fix it . How do we speed up this system . It used to not be this slow. Not be this slow. Yes. And its , its when we yes. And its, its when we say how do we fix it . Its just going back to basics because evenin going back to basics because even in this case, two days before the commission of the offence , his own roommate, who offence, his own roommate, who he stabbed first before going on to stab the retiree in the morning as the retiree was walking his dog. But two days before, his roommate had made a complaint to police that he was watching extremist material on his on his phone , and that just his on his phone, and that just wasnt acted upon. So yeah. And apparently, apparently hes been ringing there and apparently his housemate, who is an iranian Asylum Seeker, he reported him to the police and he told home Office Housing managers that he would sit in the kitchen brandishing a knife and apparently reportedly , he and apparently reportedly, he was told, we cant do anything unless hes Walking Around with the knife and threatening. So essentially you have to wait for the crime to actually happen before anyone does anything. So its a failure on the police , a failure on the the police, a failure on the home office, housing managers, failure on the home office. But also if he serves his sentence in this country and is eventually let out , could he eventually let out, could he potentially have the right still to stay in this country . I mean, to stay in this country . I mean, theres always lawyers who are willing to find loopholes, arent there , thats correct, arent there, thats correct, however , the Refugee Convention, however, the Refugee Convention, for all its perceived ills , does for all its perceived ills, does actually contain inbuilt provisions for the exclusion or denial of refugee status. Thats inbuilt in article 33, two of the 1951 convention. And indeed , the 1951 convention. And indeed, thats in our law in section 72 of the nationality, immigration and asylum act. And what section 72 provides is that you will be excluded from protection if you are deemed to constitute a danger to the community and you are deemed to constitute a danger to the community. If you have been convicted of an offence with a custodial sentence of at least one year. So on the face of it , for all so on the face of it, for all the conventions perceived ills , the conventions perceived ills, its not a system of law where the other cheek is always, turned away. So he should. I expect the, the section 72, provision should be invoked by the home secretary, and his asylum claim will be dismissed. Asylum claim will be dismissed. Well, fadi farhat, thank you so much for talking through that situation, particularly the grounds under that, that that 1951 Refugee Convention whereby he could actually be removed. Really interesting stuff. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Yeah yes, indeed. And the failures, the multiple failures. But after the break, were going to get all the latest details on Humza Yousafs future with our scotland reporter humza yousaf. Scotland reporter humza yousaf. He fights on. He says he will not resign ahead of that no confidence vote, but is it his choice . This is good afternoon britain on. Gb news. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 13 minutes to two. But now humza yousaf has said he will not resign as first minister. Well, he was speaking to broadcasters and he was really quite insistent. Despite the pressure around him. He said that he wont stand down and will fight on. Do you know who once said i fight on and i fight on to win . Go on and tell us, is Margaret Thatcher in 1990 . She resigned two days later but couldnt follow the same trend. Two days, very different. Two days, very different. Very different political characters, very different. Well, one was successful and one wasnt, but, lets cross to edinburgh now and speak to gb news scotland reporter tony maguire. Tony humza is insisting maguire. Tony humza is insisting he fights on, but, its really not him that makes the final choice. Choice. I think that is it exactly , i think that is it exactly, tom. You know he is coming out with the fighting spirit , just with the fighting spirit, just as Stephen Flynn said earlier today. He will come out swinging and swinging. He did. He spoke to the press just in the last hour up in dundee, and he said he has no intentions of stepping down. He is going to fight this vote of no confidence next week, and hes also going to round to the other parties and ask them to help make this minority government work. Now, minority governments , just for the governments, just for the uninitiated, the first essentially 12 years of the scottish was run by a minority government first labour and then Alex Salmonds snp party during its first term. And so its nothing really new, essentially has been going for about half of the parliaments life up here. But as you say, this is essentially not really Humza Yousafs decision, because if that vote of no confidence comes down against him, then , you down against him, then, you know, he doesnt really have a mandate to continue to lead the country. Or, you know, arguably the party. So what then happens is really up to the snp as a political party, but then the Scottish Government will need to. You know, consider whether it, you know, wants to push forward with an election or indeed whether it then has to go into this second, potentially vote of no confidence this time in the government. And now that would legally mean that we would be heading into an election footing. And, tony, i understand he was asked whether he would work with the alba party leader, ash regan, who is, you know, critical in his future, potentially in his survival. And he said , ill write to all he said, ill write to all leaders and hes invited them all to attempt to make minority government work. Work. I mean, government work. Work. I mean, what are the chances of that in your mind, tony . What are the chances of humza yousaf of being able to see this out, being able to get enough people on board to make his government work . Make his government work . I think, you know, certainly some of the political analysts up here, theyve spent the last, i guess, 12 hours, you know, really coming to the agreement that i think humza yousaf would prefer to have actually gone through, weathered this storm with the green party. I will remind you, though, of, you know, last year when ash regan, when she defected to alba , humza when she defected to alba, Humza Yousafs comment was no great loss. Well, he will very much be loss. Well, he will very much be eating those words now. You know the levels and layers of irony around this situation because of course , you know, if ash regan course, you know, if ash regan votes even with the snp government, that will give them 64 votes and a vote of no confidence. So he votes with humza yousaf, against all of the opposition parties. Now that opposition parties. Now that would mean that the presiding officer, of course, she would get the casting vote convention says that she would vote with the government, but then that would also be against her own party, her her former party, the scottish greens. So he can kind of see the layers of complexity. Of see the layers of complexity. And actually it can still go absolutely any which way at this point. Its interesting that humza yousaf uses this language of fighting. He says hell fight on. I was just remembering liz truss on her final Prime Ministers questions as Prime Minister, she said. Ministers questions as Prime Minister, she said. Im a fighter, nana akua. She used those words on the 19th of october. She resigned on the 20th. Certainly it seems like humza yousaf, you know, it seems like theres almost been a memo going around all snp offices that, you know, this is something to fight. And certainly Stephen Flynn, i dont think its any surprise that he also used those words earlier. But i mean, what better word for it . Humza yousaf and arguably the snp, they are fighting for their future leading this country. And certainly, you know , over the certainly, you know, over the last five years weve seen an even further step away from westminster. I dont remember a time , you know, in my 15 years time, you know, in my 15 years as a journalist ever remained , as a journalist ever remained, you know, a time where westminster and holyrood felt further apart. But, you know, irrespective of how they feel about independence , we are about independence, we are a family of nations and that has really worked against him, as after he took over from nicola sturgeon. Absolutely. And tony, lets be frank, the scottish public, the scottish people arent going to be impressed with this amount of chaos at the top of their their government. Are they is his popularity, i imagine, is going to take a huge hit even more of a hit . More of a hit . Well, yeah, even more of a hit. And thats quite important because of course, his popularity has gone right down, you know, and i think in his first year there was a lot of talk of, well, you know, how much of Humza Yousafs problems are actually Humza Yousafs, how much did he inherit from his predecessor . But, you know, as weve moved into his second yeanl weve moved into his second year, i think its quite clear now that some of his problems, you know, most recently yesterday , have very much been yesterday, have very much been on of his own making. Now he on of his own making. Now he could use this break away from the bute house agreement, which he succinctly described as 19. Liz trusss and its 969 days. Of procession. But, you know, he could use this split to redefine the snp. But the snp have put so much effort into becoming this broad tent, this broad church of ideas, that it seems if he needs to get all of his msps to back him next week, then its difficult to really see a way how he can make everybody happy. Somebody is always going to feel like, you know, their views are not getting heard here. Well, tony mcguire, thank you very much for all of that. Live from edinburgh. What a moment. It has turned out to be today. And i suppose all the pressure now ramps up for those two. No confidence motions next week, tony. Thank you. Remember, was it tony yesterday who was asking the pubuc yesterday who was asking the public and he was actually delivering the news. Yes. Yes. Delivering the news first. Delivering the news first. Reactions are always very very interesting. But, weve very interesting. But, weve just got time to ask our friend down here, humza yousaf. It looks like humza yousaf will now last the weekend to remove the strap here. Oh, there he is. Oh, there he is. He is, there he is, but but i think i think humza yousaf might last the weekend as well. The question is will he. Last monday. Will he last tuesday. Could he make it all the way to wednesday. He says hes hes fighting. He says hes hes fighting. Hes fighting. He says hes hes fighting. Hes fighting. But as you hes fighting. But as you mentioned a lot of political leaders have said that before, havent they. They have indeed. They have indeed. And theyve gone down well, its going to be an absolutely fascinating time in holyrood. Lots of twists and turns to come and much more here on good afternoon britain. Dont go anywhere. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Good afternoon. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update should stay dry for many of us through the rest of today, but there will be some heavy rain starting to arrive into the south. Thats as this area of low pressure is arriving with these weather fronts. Thats bringing the heavier rain weve seen across parts of cornwall so far today, and that will continue to push northwards throughout this evening. So throughout this evening. So parts of devon, dorset, cornwall, possibly south wales will see some heavy outbreaks of rain through this evening. And then by tomorrow morning a further batch will arrive into the south east ahead of that, its going to be quite a cloudy night for much of wales and central areas of england, but to the north of this area across Northern Ireland and scotland. Another clear and cold night. So were likely to see a frost again in similar areas to where we saw the morning by saturday morning. But there will be a lot of sunshine around once again across Northern Ireland and northwest scotland. Parts of Northern England as well. The best of sunshine will be in the morning on saturday. Cloud will bubble up just as it has done today, and there is a risk of a few showers breaking out here and there, particularly at the coast. For parts of wales and central areas will be quite cloudy and a cold feeling day. And into the southeast we start to see some showery outbreaks of rain by the afternoon, and well start to feel a bit warmer now. Those showery outbreaks of rain become a large swathe of rain for sunday, so more areas are going to see a wetter day on sunday, particularly across eastern areas and across southern areas of england. Now that rain will move out into the nonh that rain will move out into the north sea through monday and its going to turn considerably milder with highs of 19 degrees on tuesday. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather gb news. Way. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 2 pm. On friday, the 26th of april. And humza yousaf vows to fight on. The Scottish First minister says he will not resign and intends to fight the votes of no confidence in him. But is of no confidence in him. But is his political future still hanging by a thread . Hanging by a thread . He fights on. He fights on to win. Well, the french president , emmanuel macron, slams the uks rwanda act as betrayal of values whilst berating britain for brexit. But this from a man whose own values allowed a ban on the burqa and tear gas at pro palestine rallies. Indeed, banning many of those pro palestine rallies is macron a world class hypocrite and keir starmer and Rachel Reeves visited the north east today to discuss the cost of living. The shadow chancellor sat down with gb news own political edhon down with gb news own Political Editor, Christopher Hope, to talk about their plans for cracking down on benefits, cheats and whether a Labour Government would scrap the rwanda act. Humza yousaf says hell fight on. Im just thinking of all of the times that Prime Ministers and political leaders have said theyll fight on. Liz truss said it on the 19th of october in 2022. The next day she resigned. That was originally a quote from Peter Mandelson just before he resigned as a cabinet minister im a fighter, nana akua. Margaret thatcher said it in 1990. I Margaret Thatcher said it in 1990. | fight Margaret Thatcher said it in 1990. I fight on, i fight on to win , of course, she then didnt win, of course, she then didnt stand in the next round of that election , losing her job in the piocess. Process. Like theyve all got a script, but you know what . It just does also show just how brutal and vicious politics can be, doesnt it . You can believe that you can fight on. I mean, if he does genuinely believe it, we dont know whats in his heart, but you can say you want a fight on, you can believe you will fight on, and then the next day, off you go. Well, i mean, the question is, will our friend humza yousaf leaf last, as long or even longer than humza yousaf . Thats our big question. Entirely. An original idea , of course. Here original idea, of course. Here gbnews, we, completely invented it ourselves and are not shamelessly riding on the pig on the on the coattails of, of the daily star. But i do apologise. But i do apologise. I do apologise , apologise. I do apologise, apologise. I do apologise, apologise. You came dressed as the lettuce. I know i did, but that was, that was a mistake, a perfect coincidence, a perfect think. I do think it is very interesting, though, to to see see back at Boris Johnsons demise as Prime Minister, he said when the herd moves, it moves and it certainly feels like that sense that the greens have now left humza yousaf that there is a certain element of inevitability, a when not an if about his demise as first minister of scotland. The knives are out, the knives are out. Well, let us know what you make of it all. Gbnews. Com forward slash your say. Do you think humza yousaf will cling on . Do you believe hell cling on or will he go in a matter of days . Let us know a matter of days . Let us know gbnews. Com yoursay should we get the headlines . The headlines . Good afternoon. Its 2 02. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Humza yousaf says he newsroom. Humza yousaf says he will not resign as scotlands first minister ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week. Its after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens yesterday, leaving him in charge of a minority government. The liberal democrats are among those calling for a change of leader. Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves says its time for a fresh start in scotland. Fresh start in scotland. He will back the motion of no confidence in humza yousaf , but confidence in humza yousaf, but weve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish Government and if anas sarwar and scottish labour are successful with that amendment , the government will amendment, the government will fall and therell be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in scotland. The chaos and division at the heart of the snp is having a real impact on Public Services and the lives and communities across scotland, and we now have two broken governments, the snp in scotland and the conservatives in westminster. It is time for fresh elections in scotland and across the uk. Across the uk. In other news, students in paris have occupied the Prestigious Science Po University to demand the institution condemns israels actions in gaza, chanting their support for the palestinians and waving flags. Many of the protests can also be seen wearing headscarves and face coverings in solidarity with the people of gaza. It comes after similar protests at universities in the United States and australia, a 20 year old man has been charged with conducting hostile activity in the uk to benefit russia. Dylan earl is accused of masterminding an arson plot on london businesses after allegedly being recruited as a russian spy. Four other men were also charged in connection connection with the same investigation and in a separate case, a former parliamentary researcher has been ordered not to contact mps after he was charged with spying for russia. Christopher cash, whos 29 and 32 years old. Christopher berry , 32 years old. Christopher berry, are accused of offences under the official secrets act. The pair appeared at Westminster Magistrates Court this morning but were not required to enter any pleas in the us. The Actress Ashley Judd says the overturning of Harvey Weinsteins rape conviction is an Institutional Betrayal. Her allegation. Of betrayal. Her allegation. Of Sexual Assault by the hollywood producer helped spark the metoo movement. A major film star in the 1990s, she sued weinstein in 2018, claiming he damaged her career after she rejected his advances. His 2020 rape conviction was overturned yesterday after a new york court ruled that he didnt receive a fair trial. The district fair trial. The District Attorney will now determine whether to seek a retrial , whether to seek a retrial, though he remains in prison for other crimes. Ashley judd says the court hasnt served the needs of the victims. Needs of the victims. This today is an act of Institutional Betrayal and our institutions betray survivors of male Sexual Violence. I stand male Sexual Violence. I stand shoulder to shoulder with women who have bloody knees because male Sexual Violence may knock us down, but we get right back up and together we are in this struggle for freedom from male entitlement to our bodies. Two men have been charged with immigration offences after the deaths of five migrants, including a young girl who were trying to cross the english channel. Yiyin, both whos 22, and from south sudan , and and from south sudan, and tajudeen adbul. Aziz juma, whos also 22, and from sudan, were both charged with offences related to the deadly incident. An 18 year old sudanese man was bailed pending further enquiries as the five migrants were on one of several packed boats that pushed off from the beach at wimereux in france on Tuesday Morning. The worlds first personalised vaccine for skin cancer is being tested on british patients. It works by telling the body to hunt down cancer cells, and also has the potential to stop lung, bladder and kidney cancers. The jab uses the same technology as the covid vaccines and is designed to trigger the bodys immune system. Teacher steve young was the first person to take part in the first person to take part in the groundbreaking trial fear because, i just by doing the trial, i feel like im actively doing something to give it a kicking. Basically and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts. Now its back to tom and. Emily. Good afternoon britain. Its 2 08 and humza yousaf has said hell not resign as first minister. It reminds me of when liz truss said she wouldnt resign as Prime Minister when bofis resign as Prime Minister when Boris Johnson said he wouldnt resign as Prime Minister. And when Margaret Thatcher said she wouldnt resign as Prime Minister. You never know. You never know. He might cling on, tom. You might eat your words, you might eat your words. But yes, we may have seen this before, but speaking to broadcasters, he said he will not stand down and intends to fight the vote of no confidence in him lodged by the conservatives well, the first minister said he would be writing to all leaders , begging them sorry, leaders, begging them sorry, inviting them to a meeting in an attempt to make minority government work. Yes, hes been under pressure and say that again since his partys power sharing agreement with the green party collapsed suddenly yesterday. So is he a suddenly yesterday. So is he a man in denial or could he cling on . Could he continue . Were joined once again by gb news scotland reporter tony maguire, tony, were hearing a lot of what he said to the broadcasters. Can you recap what his position is as it stands . His position is as it stands . Indeed. Well, he very much has spoken to the press over in dundee announcing £80 million for social housing. But indeed, broadcasters, as you might expect, i am moved on from that topic all too quickly and asked him about the Current Situation and whether his position is tenable, and he says that he will come out fighting, you know, matching the words, matching the energy very much of Stephen Flynn, the westminster leader of the snp. Earlier today, who said that humza yousaf, scotlands first minister, is looking to fight. Now the first minister says that he is going to fight both of these votes of no confidence next week. We already know that the scottish tory vote from douglas ross, he that has the votes that will go to a vote in parliament next week, we expect the same to happen from the labour vote of no confidence from anas sarwar. But certainly the question is how much does he have left in the tank for this now . He was asked repeatedly to had he considered his position, to which he vehemently said no , to which he vehemently said no, he had not at all thought about his position and aware that it was still tenable as first minister. But it begs the question of with all of this attention on him , with all of attention on him, with all of this, and should he lose that vote of no confidence . And why vote of no confidence . And why has he not considered the possibility that he might not make it into the end of next week . Now, of course, a vote in no confidence in the first minister does not mean that he has to resign. But it sure does look bad if he tries to continue in spite of what has parliament around him thinks. Its interesting looking at all of the instances where people have said, im not going to resign, theres no way ill resign. I was just looking at some of the historical and just just about every single Prime Minister who has resigned in the history of this country has , all history of this country has, all too frequently before they have resigned , said theyre not going resigned, said theyre not going to resign. I wonder, tony, these this this call to meet with all the Party Leaders in scotland. This is this is seeming a bit desperate, perhaps from humza yousaf sort of scrapping around and scraping for any sort of ally he can find. Ally he can find. Well, its worth saying that theres only one person whos really, when they come out and say theyre not going to give up and theyre going to fight, its worth listening to. And thats rocky balboa. Humza yousaf has not rocky. And certainly if he is looking for a scrap next week, there is no shortage of opponents looking to take him up on that. Now, this invitation , on that. Now, this invitation, if you like to make minority government work , as we spoke government work, as we spoke about a little earlier, minority government is nothing new in scotland. Indeed, the first 12 years of the Scottish Parliament was very much led by a minority government. Things have progressed though, and i think that we shouldnt really take that we shouldnt really take that in a vacuum. We have to look at this, you know, cascade of events which have happened quite unbelievably in a little over 24 hours and just how fast every time that i get a chance to speak to the two of you, theres new developments, theres new developments, theres new developments, theres new things are moving so fast, and humza yousaf is going to have to try and keep up. Now, it is worth also saying that a weekend is a well established cure to a lot of gripes and grievances. Well have to see grievances. Well have to see whether the scottish greens and indeed scottish labours are going to stick to their position come monday morning. Come monday morning. Thats a very good point indeed. Actually, it is friday afternoon. Could things cool off over the weekend . Could he be given a little bit of leeway to try and manage things, manage the narrative, manage the media hype and so on . Or could it be game over this weekend . We dont game over this weekend . We dont know. We await to see. Thank you very much indeed. Tony mcguire gb news scotland reporter. It is true a lot can change over a weekend, a lot can change. But the question is with people not in parliament, might there be snp msps who sort of gather together, do some plotting . Thats true. Could it be actually internal moves within the snp that dislodge him before we get to those votes of no confidence . Thats what angus mcneil, the former, snp mp, now independent mp, was saying. But one of his colleagues in the house of commons is the alba party mp neale hanvey, also first elected as an snp member , first elected as an snp member, neil, im fascinated about the internal dynamics within the snp. Surely there will be moves from some, who just want to see their leader go well, that may be that may be true, you know, theres been lots of, talk of back, backroom briefings against the first minister even before this happened. And i think, you know, that underscores, the position of the first minister. I think his top line briefing needs updated, he entered , the, the debate entered, the, the debate yesterday with his press conference saying that he was a leader and a fighter , and so on. Leader and a fighter, and so on. But that decision that he took yesterday to, blow up the, bute house agreement, has , delivered house agreement, has, delivered a cascade of events that he has no control over now, and he really is at the mercy of so many others. And whats really important to remember with the opposition parties. Humza opposition parties. Humza yousaf. And his yousaf. And indeed, his predecessor , nicola sturgeon, predecessor, nicola sturgeon, have made no secret of their hostility towards, any of the other parties in scottish politics other than the scottish green party. So its a bit rich , green party. So its a bit rich, for the first minister to now be reaching out and asking for cooperation from everybody that hes been insulting for the last number of years. But, of course, you know, events are quite interesting and our leader in the Scottish Parliament, ash regan , has written to the first regan, has written to the first minister this morning setting out , our minister this morning setting out, our partys position, in terms of what wed like to hear back from the first minister, what ash regan has asked to hear back from the first minister, and those are really important points. Independence, a complete reversal on the policies that threaten women , children and threaten women, children and lgbt peoples rights. And a focus on the proper business of government on Public Services and saving important industrial, apparatus like , Grangemouth Oil apparatus like, Grangemouth Oil refinery from closure. Shes trying to set the agenda, isnt she . Now, this statement was released at least on twitter, at about 9 00 this morning. Her position hasnt morning. Her position hasnt changed. She remains open to any discussion where we progress the priorities of the people of scotland. As you outlined, that remains the position of the alba party. Well, you know, i mean, we in ash regan, we have a very competent, capable and principled, politician, someone who has made no secret of her concerns , particularly over the concerns, particularly over the queer theory policies that the green party so favoured and that the snp have found so deeply wounding for their own popularity. So thats a thats popularity. So thats a thats an immovable issue, certainly for, for myself, on a personal level and certainly for our membership. But neil, youre basically holding, the, the sword of damocles over the, first ministers neck here. Its ash regan whos basically saying, make me first minister in all but name and ill let you stay in the job. Make me your make you my puppet. I mean, humza you my puppet. I mean, Humza Yousafs in her pocket. Now well, i mean, that may be one interpretation that that you want to place on it, tom. Its not. Its not where were coming from. You know, we want were very earnest and very clear in the position that we set out as a party, were willing to engage in dialogue. Its now up to the first minister to respond to that very , clear letter from ash that very, clear letter from ash regan , you know, and shes made regan, you know, and shes made her position, very clear. Her position, very clear. She does say the opportunity to write a new chapter for scotland is in our hands. In our hands promotes herself. Well, i dont necessarily think that that you should read too much into specific words in the letter like that. You know, ash is not i know ash is not come to a conclusion. Ispent ash is not come to a conclusion. I spent yesterday afternoon with her in holyrood , this is a huge her in holyrood, this is a huge decision to rest on her shoulders , but shes not a shoulders, but shes not a person who has been able to be pushed around and bullied in the past. And i certainly dont, anticipate that she will be letting anyone push her around her, bully her again. But what also became very clear yesterday was that the green party, their support for Scottish Independence is a mirage. Their support for the climate is also a mirage. The only issue that they are prepared to draw a line overis they are prepared to draw a line over is the insinuation of queer theory policies into every part of public life, and that must be resisted, just finally, neil, doesit resisted, just finally, neil, does it matter that when ash regan quit the snp, humza yousaf said shes no great loss . Does that personal history between ash regan and humza yousaf make that relationship up just very, very difficult to work . Very difficult to work . Well, i mean, i think thats just a really clear example of the points i made at the beginning of this, this, this segment , beginning of this, this, this segment, which is that humza has managed to insult everyone around him and yet here he finds himself now with the begging bowl, looking for support, ash is a mature human, adult human, female, and, you know , she will female, and, you know, she will put the interests of the people of Scotland First and foremost. And reckoning. You know, shes not going to play the vindictive games that others have played over the last number of years. She will do whats absolutely right. And in the middle, she certainly got the support of, jk rowling , jk rowling coming out rowling, jk rowling coming out very strongly, talking about the irony of, humza yousaf now needing her after she left his government over this issue of gender self id. Thank you very much indeed. Neale hanvey, alba party mp , great to speak to you. Party mp, great to speak to you. Im sure that neil will be having conversations with ash this weekend. This is where its all happening. Its all the sort of dealings and sort of conversations that are going to determining the fate of the Scottish Government. Absolutely fascinating time. And do people take insults actually seriously in politics . Water under the bridge. Anyway, after the break, were going to be speaking to Political Editor Christopher Hope, whos been speaking to the shadow chancellor, Rachel Reeves, about lots of things. Well find out what he had to say and what she had to say this. Good afternoon britain. Were on gb news, britains news channel right. Well, its 223. Youre watching. Well, its 223. Youre watching. Good afternoon. Britain. Now, the labour leader, sir keir starmer. And his shadow chancellor have been visiting the north east today to discuss lots of things, including the cost of living. But our very own Christopher Hope has been with the shadow chancellor and joins us now. Us now. Us now. Christopher, youve been speaking about all sorts of things with the shadow chancellor, and i hear she has , chancellor, and i hear she has, revealed quite a bit about labours plans. Yes. Hi, tom. Hi emily. I mean, im here in darlington. We spoke earlier to Rachel Reeves. She told us about how she talks to tony blair regularly, that she will crack down on benefit cheats if she gets into power. Not just on tax avoidance and tax evaders. Spoke twice. Tax evaders. Spoke twice. Wouldnt say if shed abandon the rwanda plan. If it works , if the rwanda plan. If it works, if it deters small boats crossings and also spoke tom, just for you really about about these new towns and where the where the new Labour Government, if it is formed, might put them . Well im afraid say keep waiting on that until after the consultation, after a Labour Government. But heres a, heres a feeling, heres a, heres a feeling, heres a, heres a feeling, heres a is an indication of what she had to say. Rachel reeves, thank you for speaking to gb news here in darlington. The now head Gareth Davies said in january that fraud and errors costing taxpayers 5. 5 billion a yearin costing taxpayers 5. 5 billion a year in universal credit. But youre going after tax avoiders, people who might be legally avoiding tax. Why not go after benefit cheats too . Ive got no time for anybody thatis ive got no time for anybody that is cheating the system. Whether that is benefit fraud or tax evasion and indeed want to toughen the rules. For example, on non doms to make sure that everyone is paying their fair share of tax. But i their fair share of tax. But i think that there is something particularly abhorrent about taking money from the taxpayer because what youre doing then is depriving our Public Services of the money they need. And so we will crack down on that fraud wherever it exists. Will the government bring down debt of the five first five years of a Labour Government . Yes. Ive set out a tough set of fiscal rules that an incoming Labour Government will abide by, to bring debt down as a share of our economy, and to pay for day to day spending through tax receipts, and only subject to that will be able to make the investments in the things to grow our economy and improve productivity. Productivity. The tories will cut the Civil Service to pay for defence spending to keep us all safe, and hit 2. 5 of gdp by 2030, will you . Well, weve already said that weve committed to spend 2. 5 of gdp on defence. The problem about the governments figures is they havent set out how they will achieve it, and defence is too important to make promises like this without being able to say where the money is going to come from. So we want to get to 2. 5. We want to do that as quickly as possible, but well have to do a review of defence spending and understand the state of the public finances. They say theyll get rid of tens of thousands of Civil Servants and pay for it, but you wont say that, will you . Cant cost your plan. Its an ambition, not a not a realistic possibility yet. Well, when labour left office in 2010, defence spending was at 2. 5 of gdp. Since then, this government has made cuts that are army is now the smallest since napoleonic times. Its since napoleonic times. Its them that have reduced spending on defence. We are committed to get back to 2. 5 of gdp. Vie independent experts have said that the government have not put forward the level of detail that is needed, and i think defence is needed, and i think defence is too important to make promises without being able to say how you can pay for them. Say how you can pay for them. So yes or no. Will you hit 2. 5 by 2030. 7 well, we will hit 2. 5 and we will set out the details of how well achieve that. So beau biden. So beau biden. Well, nor can the government because their plans are not fully costed and they havent set those out. Well, immigration gb news polling this week shows our viewers really care about illegal migration. If 10,000 migrants are flown to rwanda and it starts to deter the small boats crossings, will you still cancel that project . Well, not a single flight. Its just taken off to rwanda so far. In fact, the only people who have gone to rwanda are conservative home secretaries are. We want to stop the boats. Thatis are. We want to stop the boats. That is absolutely essential to get control again of our borders. After the conservatives have lost control. But im not willing to spend money on expensive gimmicks, and this has cost tens of millions of pounds of taxpayers money. That money should be put into cracking down on the criminal gangs and deporting people have got no right to be in this country. If its shown to work, though, by the time you get into office, if you do, will you still scrap it . Well, its an awful lot of ifs there, chris, because at the moment, not a single Asylum Seeker has been sent to rwanda. The only people. Who have gone the only people. Who have gone there are, press teams with conservative home secretaries. This is an expensive gimmick. And its a distraction from the real work that needs to take place to get control of our borders again. And that is what a Labour Government is determined to do. The tories say that the fact that Illegal Migrants are flooding into ireland shows its working by deterring people from staying here. Is that a good thing . I mean, the idea that this governments immigration policy and asylum policy is working is for the birds. Weve got Asylum Seekers in hotels up and down the country, in the hotels that were once used for local functions for weddings , for graduations. And weddings, for graduations. And it is not acceptable that the government have lost control of the borders in the way that they have. Labour has got a plan to crack down on the criminal gangs at the heart of this, and also to ensure that we properly process the claims and then people who have got no right to be in this country are quickly deported. The government have not been able to deliver that, and incoming Labour Government is determined to do so. Towns are planning to get more homes built. You say your party will take a bulldozer to the Planning System. You want the Planning System. You want more planning officers redefine what greenbelt is as a grey belt. Is that enough to take on the nimbys . Well, our approach is a brownfield first approach and i was in the West Midlands yesterday in birmingham and birmingham and in walsall looking at two fantastic housing projects on brownfield sites. But the developers there say that whats holding them back from more development is a bureaucratic, bureaucratic and sclerotic Planning System that makes it so slow and more expensive to build the housing that we desperately need. But there are also parts of what we call the grey belt, which is a car park, perhaps, or a petrol station on what is designated as green belt. And its harder to green belt. And its harder to build on that, than it is, for example, on a field in a town thatis example, on a field in a town that is wrong. We need to protect those green spaces in urban areas and have a brownfield first approach. And thatis brownfield first approach. And that is a challenge, you wont announce where your new towns are until after the election. Why not . Because well have a consultation on that in government. But weve got some fantastic new towns in britain, from Milton Keynes to Welwyn Garden City with their very old ones, arent they . Yes. And those are a new towns that were pioneered by past Labour Governments that are beautiful places to live, aspirational places to live, aspirational places to live , and will consult places to live, and will consult in government about when the new towns of the future, so that families and young people have a chance of getting on the housing ladden do older people with with a paid for house, maybe paid off their mortgage, have a moral duty not to fight new development . Well, people who have paid off their mortgage have often got children and grandchildren who are desperate to get on the housing ladder. Thats why weve committed to 1. 5 million new homes in the first term of a Labour Government, but Home Ownership under the conservatives has fallen by half a million. The conservatives were once the party of Home Ownership. Its clear today that only the labour party is the party of Home Ownership. In britain, its Rosie Duffield, your colleague in the labour party. She says. Your party has a problem with women. Is she right . Well, im really proud to be shadow chancellor in the labour party. And if labour win the next election, i will be the first ever female chancellor of the exchequer. But what about her criticism of the leadership . She says that keir starmer wont speak to her rishi sunak. He is nicer to her than keir starmer. Well, ive been with keir this morning and hes out on the campaign trail, right now, Rosie Duffield is an important member of the parliamentary labour party. Ive known her a long time , all of us over the next time, all of us over the next seven days are going to be hitting the streets and the doorsteps, as part of these local elections. But after that, were back in parliament and ill certainly be seeing rosie then. Apologies due to her. Apologies due to her. Well, im not sure what the allegations are, but rosie is an important member of the parliamentary labour party. And as a woman in the labour party and along with Angela Rayner , and along with Angela Rayner, you know, in a senior position in the labour party, im really proud of the role that labour women are playing in this local Election Campaign and the general election. Whenever the conservatives have the guts to call it. But they worry about your employment reforms, arent they, about the issue for those on short contracts , and whether short contracts, and whether they can get rights that will normally go to work for a while . The new deal for working people is an important part of our growth agenda, because we need to get more people back into the workplace , and we need into the workplace, and we need to ensure that once again, the work offers the security with a wage that you can afford to live on and the guarantee of hours. But this is a pro business policy, and were consulting with business on all of our policies, including on employment rights. Rachel reeves finally told today that the gb news are here in darlington. Thank you. Thank you. Interesting stuff there, chris. You sort of extracted out a bit of a u turn then from the labour party. Initially they labour party. Initially they said they wouldnt u turn on rwanda and now they might they might keep it. Yeah. Weve heard a bit about that from baroness chapman, Jenny Chapman of darlington, shes a key ally of keir starmer. If you give him a number, say, 10,000 migrants might be sent back to rwanda, they cant sell or scrap that as Rachel Reeves. No, this money is sunk. Money the money is invested. If it started to work even a bit, its hard to get rid of it. Thank you very much indeed. Great interview. Really insightful. Christopher hope there. Our Political Editor live from darlington. Hes got to from darlington. Hes got to catch the train now i think, still to come, well digest that interview a little bit more. But a scientists about to discover that we are not alone. The new space telescope is set to turn its gaze towards a distant, distant planet to investigate one of the most tantalising hints of alien life ever discovered. Have we found aliens . That is the question after your headlines. After your headlines. Its 234. Im sofia wenzer in the gb newsroom. Your headlines humza yousaf says he will not resign as scotlands first minister ahead of a crucial test of his leadership next week. Its after the collapse of the snps power sharing deal with the greens yesterday , leaving the greens yesterday, leaving him in charge of a minority government. The liberal democrats are among those calling for a change of leader. Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves says its time for a fresh start in scotland. He will back the motion of no confidence in humza yousaf, but weve gone further and tabled a motion of no confidence in the whole Scottish Government. And whole Scottish Government. And if anas sarwar and scottish labour are successful with that amendment, the government will fall and therell be fresh elections and it is time for a fresh start in scotland. The chaos and division at the heart of the snp is having a real impact on Public Services and the lives and communities across scotland, and we now have two broken governments the snp in scotland and the conservatives in westminster. It is time for fresh elections in scotland and across the uk , students in paris across the uk, students in paris have occupied the Prestigious Science Po University to demand the institution condemns israels actions in gaza, chanting their support for the palestinians and waving flags. Many of the protesters can also be seen wearing headscarves and face coverings in solidarity with the people of gaza. It comes after similar protests at universities in the United States and australia. A 20 year old man has been charged with conducting hostile activity in the uk to benefit russia. Dylan earl is accused of masterminding an arson plot on london businesses after allegedly being recruited as a russian spy. Four other men were also charged in connection with the same investigation. In and. For the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Common alerts. Common alerts. Yes, interesting what you were pointed out about. Rachel reeves. Theyre not to committing to, scrap the rwanda act in its entirety if, say 10,000 people were sent to rwanda. But, i mean, what could she say . I mean, would she genuinely say, come out and say, yeah, wed scrap it even if 10,000, even if it was working . Well, even if it was really mean. That had been the labour party position. It had been. Yes it had been. Yes but it seems like the labour party now is doing a lot of non committal, where theyre saying were not going to commit to doing one thing or another on rwanda if its working. But also rwanda if its working. But also really interestingly, theyre again, Rachel Reeves saying, oh, wed like to build these new towns, which is not going to tell you where theyll be. And if anyone knows anything about the struggles that Boris Johnson had trying to pass planning reform and, and liz truss and all the rest of it, unless you have an electoral mandate for something, its really hard to get it through the house of commons. Its going to be a huge scrap under the next Labour Government. If they win, if they dont say where these towns are going to be, how do people know what theyre voting on if they dont know where the new towns are going to go . Yes. Yes. If they win, it might be a slow start, a slow and juddering start to governing. Lets see. But coming up at 3 00 and it wont be a slow juddering start. It is. Martin daubney, martin, what have you got on your show for us today . For us today . Weve got a corker of a show today. Ireland on the brink. Ireland on the brink. As immigration soars into ireland, the government there blames the uk, blames the rwanda deal. Blames the uk, blames the rwanda deal. But as blames the uk, blames the rwanda deal. But as an blames the uk, blames the rwanda deal. But as an asylum hotel was deal. But as an asylum hotel was firebombed last night, we speak to a political leader who says the only people to blame are the woke politicians in ireland and the police, who are turning on the police, who are turning on the people. Plus, will we have a second referendum by 2040 . Ill be joined by legendary pollster sir john curtice, who says that yes, we will because of changing demographics. Yes, we will because of changing demographics. And guess what . Demographics. And guess what . The labour party cosying up to brussels. Talking of which, we spoke to Rachel Reeves earlier and we asked her how involved is tony blair in sir Keir Starmers party . The answer might give you sleepless nights. And finally, tomorrow theres a counter protest by a pro Israeli Group who are crying enough is enough. Are we joined in the studio by the leader whos telling me why he is risking his safety going out there and fighting back . Its all on my show. 3 to 6 sounds fantastic. Sounds fantastic. It will be interesting to see how that, protest is policed , how that, protest is policed, but, very interesting indeed. Thanks to you, martin downey. Stay tuned for his show at 3 00, as always. Well, still to come, the president of france, emmanuel macron, hes slammed the uks rwanda plan. Everyones slamming it. But is mr macron a first class hypocrite . After all, he, as french president , has presided over a ban on the burqa and increased deportations. They deport more people from france than we do in the uk. Next. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 2 42 now. Rwanda style plans are betraying European Values. Well, betraying European Values. Well, thats according to the french president , emmanuel macron, who hit out at countries considering sending immigrants to countries in the third world, as its sometimes called. Less developed countries in africa. He went on to take aim at britain, saying brexit has led to an explosion of negative effects , yes. Of negative effects, yes. Well joining us from paris is telegraph journalist Anne Elisabeth moutet. And thank you very much indeed for joining us, macrons having a little moment here, isnt he, fighting, fighting. Talk from monsieur fighting. Talk from monsieur macron. Why do you think hes saying all this . Saying all this . Well, you say a little moment, but it was a two hour long speech. Long speech. But then that speech, i mean, the beginning was very structured, and that was what hed written with his aides. And then he went basically off piste, and he sort of rambled about many things. And one of about many things. And one of the things he rambled about, but by no means the other one, hes also insulted germans and other people. Was was, his view as he people. Was was, his view as he would describe it, of, frances relationship to europe and other nafions relationship to europe and other nations part in europe. Nations part in europe. And because he at the same time was talking about strategic autonomy and bringing together the french and the british in a military alliance and sort of reworking the lancaster house, lancaster gate, treaty, lancaster gate, treaty, lancaster house treaty , the lancaster house treaty, the result was a kind of mish mash in which he couldnt help himself from sort of mentioning, you know, very clearly the rwanda policies of rishi sunak and also mentioning brexit as being an own goal and that sort of thing. But it was basically it was unfiltered macron and to a large extent, this is the kind of jokes that he will make. And this is the sort of thing that you, you know, you recognise from remainers, but it was not especially aimed at at belittling britain. It was just part of the massive sort of rambling speech that he gave. But to me it just smacked of huge hypocrisy. He was talking about betraying European Values of sort of tolerance and all, all the rest of it. This is a guy whos presided over a burqa ban, an anti israel demonstration ban , a public servant, and school huab , a public servant, and school hijab ban requiring mosques to sign up to some sort of values charter , and the prospect of charter, and the prospect of deporting individuals from france while ignoring echr appeals. Thats the macron manifesto, i would say. The last one is a very good point. Id say the other point , point. Id say the other point, especially the hijab ban and the its not just a ban on hijab and, and the headscarf. It is a ban on all religious signs in the schools and the Civil Service of the country and not, not not in the streets , because not not in the streets, because in effect, this is an offence to the neutrality of the state, which is guaranteed by the french constitution. So that was perfectly valid, and, and the anti many anti palestine demonstrations have not been forgiven. The ones that called forgiven. The ones that called forgiven. The ones that called for murder, then again, were breaking french law and he forbade them. Its very different. But you can certainly make the argument that when france wants to flout the echr court, theres no way hes got absolutely no problem doing that. Its the idea that people who come from Different Countries than, rwanda itself, could be deported to a country which is not theirs. But, i mean, this is quibbling. This is also the general attitude that, we know that the voters would like actually, less immigration, illegal immigration, and, and that was a kind of, of a sop to those voters. The reason i give that list of , of the reason i give that list of, of policies, the reason i give that list of , of policies, not the reason i give that list of, of policies, not all regarding immigration, of course, is if a british politician were to institute any one of them, theyd be theyd be called i mean, theyre well, hell say hell write of nigel farage, say laicite, laicite , farage, say laicite, laicite, well, we are a different country from from britain. Weve always been. From from britain. Weve always been. Were also different from been. Were also different from germany, where they have a church tax which is levied by the state. We are Different Countries and the idea that different nations have got different nations have got different traditions within the European Union and within the European Union and within the european continent is actually not such a bad thing. Well, there you go. Well, there you go. Thank you so much forjoining us on the show. Anne elisabeth moutet, thank you very much indeed. Very interesting. Yes. He would argue that a lot of those policies are protecting french values, protecting all about European Values, secularism, that that is integral to to the the post revolutionary french mindset. Yes. But hes, he he manages to ignore the echr. He manages to ignore the echr. He manages to ignore the echr. He manages to deport people he doesnt want in the country, doesnt want in the country, doesnt he . But oh, no, britains so bad for having a rwanda scheme. Hang on a minute. How many countries in the European Union are currently looking at these types of agreements . They want to see if agreements . They want to see if it works in this country, dont they . And then theyll follow suit, because a lot of people are saying that their new immigration pact isnt going to make the blindest bit of difference to the migration crisis in europe. But there you 90, crisis in europe. But there you go, monsieur macron telling us how he feels. Coming up, scientists are questioning the answer to that old age question whether human beings are alone in the universe. Well, a new space telescope is about to point its lens to a distant planet. Why . Well, well tell you all about it after this. Good afternoon. Britain, its friday, so were talking about auens friday, so were talking about aliens , could scientists be on aliens, could scientists be on the brink of discovering that we are indeed not alone in the universe . Were joined now by spacex and planetary scientist andy lound. Now, andy, i must say im always a little bit sceptical about the idea of alien life. I imagine those sort of et style aliens, but are we actually on to something here. Good afternoon. Well, yes. I mean, afternoon. Well, yes. I mean, youre right to be sceptical, because thats good science. Youve got to be sceptical about it. If this is all due to observations that were made of a planet, which goes by a very exciting k 218 b, which is going around a red dwarf star, which is quite a small star. It only takes 33 days to go around it. And as it passed in front of the star, the Webb Telescope was able to take some spectroscopic analysis of the atmosphere. And then you find out whats in that atmosphere. Atmosphere. Now, what was interesting, of all the things that were there, there was methane , carbon there was methane, carbon dioxide, but it also seemed to detect , cereal called dimethyl sulphide. Now, what the exciting thing about that is dimethyl sulphide, as far as we know, can only be produced by living organisms, phytoplankton on the earth. We have no other way, naturally, of forming this material. So that got people excited. The scientists who discovered it said he couldnt sleep because he was very excited about it. But it is a snapshot. And although im looking, im looking at the, the graph of it now having a look at it, it is a trace and a possibility of it. And people got so excited about it. Theyve got time on the Webb Telescope to now have a good eight hour look at this planet to do very, very fine analysis of this planets atmosphere , to of this planets atmosphere, to see indeed, if dimethyl sulphide is actually present in its atmosphere, because a lot of arguments going on as to whether this planet could harbour life or not, because of the nature of it, they think its whats called a mini neptune, because its actually much larger than the earth. Its 2. 6 times the radius of the earth. Its a lot more denser. And that suggests theres a Hydrogen Atmosphere there. But the argument is, is whether theres an ocean at the bottom there or not. And theres a lot of scientists arguing about it. If its gravitationally tied , which gravitationally tied, which means that as the planet goes around its parent star, it shows only one side to it that will change significantly the temperature variation on the planet. If it is rotating, then planet. If it is rotating, then theres a different argument comes into play. So this experiment is to have a real close look at this planet and try to solve some of these mysterious questions , and to mysterious questions, and to find out whether indeed dimethyl sulphide is there. Sulphide is there. The next question, all of these, andy, all of these conversations about sort of which which planets are where, how far away from their respective stars they are if theyre rotating or not, how big theyre rotating or not, how big they are, what they are. It just makes me think how remarkably , makes me think how remarkably, very unlikely earth was. We just so happen to be in the correct distance from the sun. I thought you were going to say it makes me feel small and insignificant. No no, of course someone special. It just so incredibly special that the earth just ticks every single one of these boxes. And so far we havent been able to find a single planet. Really, that fits the bill. Its just very. Youve made a very important point there because from a scientific point of view to, to get life to start , it needs a lot of things. For instance, if we didnt have a moon that may have been significant in the formation of life on the earth, if there was no moon, that may not have happened to get carbon chemistry to start, you need the right temperature to start with and you need the bipolar medium, which is liquid water. And this planet is in the right position for those temperatures to happen for those temperatures to happen for that. So its in for that. So its in a physically the right position, but you still need that material to be there in the first place. And thats going to be the big question on whether that is the case or not. This is a very, very going to be a very, very exciting eight hours today as the Webb Telescope gets the data, then it has to be processed and probably in six months time when people have analysed it carefully, the debate will begin. Has to go to peer group review and people have to analyse it. But it is quite fantastic. And if it turns out that it is right. Andy. Andy, thank you so much for joining us. Were going to have to end it there because it is the end of the show. Andy lound planetary scientist youve been watching good afternoon britain. Were on tv news. Thats it from us. Have a fabulous weekend whatever youre up to. But its Martin Daubney next, right after your weather. A brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Hello. Good afternoon. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update should stay dry for many of us through the rest of today, but there will be some heavy rain starting to arrive into the south. Thats as this area of low pressure is arriving with these weather fronts. Thats bringing the heavier rain weve seen across parts of cornwall so far today, and that will continue to push northwards throughout the evening. So parts of devon , dorset, cornwall, of devon, dorset, cornwall, possibly south wales will see some heavy outbreaks of rain through this evening. And then by tomorrow morning a further batch will arrive into the south east. Ahead of that, its going to be quite a cloudy night for much of wales and central areas of england, but to the north of this area, across Northern Ireland and scotland. Another clear and cold night, so were likely to see a frost again in similar areas to where we saw this morning. By saturday morning. But there will be a lot morning. But there will be a lot of sunshine around once again across Northern Ireland and northwest scotland, parts of Northern England as well. The best of sunshine will be in the morning on saturday. Cloud will bubble up just as it has done today, and there is a risk of a few showers breaking out here and there, particularly at the coast for parts of wales and central areas will be quite cloudy and a cold feeling day. And into the southeast we start to see some showery outbreaks of rain by the afternoon , and well rain by the afternoon, and well start to feel a bit warmer now. Those showery outbreaks of rain become a large swathe of rain for sunday, so more areas are going to see a wetter day on sunday, particularly across gb news. Way. A very good afternoon to you. A very good afternoon to you. And a happy friday. Its 3 pm. Welcome to the Martin Daubney show on gb news. And were broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. On todays show , under fire uk. On todays show, under fire humza yousaf has been called a dead man walking after a no confidence vote leaves his future hanging by a thread. After his first year from hell. Can the snp leader survive this nightmare week . Next up, as immigration to ireland soars there, deputy Prime Minister has bizarrely blamed the uk and even the rwanda bill. But after another arson attack on an asylum hotel last night, around about an hour from dublin, an irish political leader will tell gb news why the blame lies solely with irelands out of touch politicians. And tomorrow, touch politicians. And tomorrow, a group of pro israeli protesters calling themselves enoughis protesters calling themselves enough is enough will stage a counter demo against the latest pro palestine march and the groups leader will join me in the studio to tell us why. And the studio to tell us why. And gb news Political Editor