Roberts. Roberts. Jacob, thanks very much and good evening from the gb newsroom. Well, as weve just been hearing, the house of commons has sent the rwanda bill back to the lords after voting to reject its most recent amendments. Yes. Well, if youre amendments. Yes. Well, if youre watching on television, this is the scene live inside the house of lords. Peers have begun debating in what could be a night of political ping pong back and forth between the two houses. It comes after the Prime Minister declared earlier that enoughis minister declared earlier that enough is enough and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed, no matter how late it goes. Downing matter how late it goes. Downing street says flights taking some Asylum Seekers to rwanda will get off the ground in 10 to 12 weeks. However, airlines are now being warned they could be held responsible for violations of International Human rights if they help fly Asylum Seekers to rwanda. Well, in the us, rwanda. Well, in the us, prosecutors have told a court that Donald Trumps alleged cover up of a hush money payment to a porn star did break the law. Tsitsipas crowds greeted trump at the new york courthouse despite his call for peaceful nationwide protests. Its the nationwide protests. Its the first ever criminal trial of a former us president and comes amid trumps election rematch with joe biden. Prosecutors argue his 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels deceived voters dunng Stormy Daniels deceived voters during the president ial campaign in 2016, donald trump denies any wrongdoing, which had no idea what was happening. And this is the same judge that two months ago made a ruling that shook the world. It shook the world because everyone knows going to that trial, i did nothing wrong. And over here i did nothing wrong. Also, this is a biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. A biden witch hunt to keep me off the campaign trail. So far, off the campaign trail. 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Can people come in willy nilly and then be welcomed in and claim benefits that you pay for and human rights claims of a facetious and false kind that then allow them to stay when the law says theyve come here illegally . The house of lords has a clear constitutional role. It is a revising chamber. Its there to say to the house of commons, think again. It is not a Political Chamber , and its a Political Chamber, and its not a Political Chamber for very good reason. Its because it has no democratic mandate. You dont vote for it. I dont vote for it. The only people who do vote are a few hereditary peers who vote for one another. Oddly the most democratic part of the house of lords and 90 of the 92 hereditary peers who vote for each other. Thats why it revises rather than forming policy. But in this instance , policy. But in this instance, its pushing things beyond the normal limits. Its its pushing things beyond the normal limits. Its normally the normal limits. Its normally the house of lords will ask the house of lords will ask the house of lords will ask the house of commons to think again once, very rarely, twice , but once, very rarely, twice, but three or possibly even four times is not what is supposed to happen. And the lords should be wary of behaving in this way, because in the past, historically, when they have been dogs in the manger , they been dogs in the manger, they have found that the vet has come round to deal with the dog. And im thinking, of course, of 1832 and 1909, when the lords powers were effectively limited. In 1832, the reform bill went through. The lords backed down, and in 1911 they didnt die in the ditch as they had threatened to, and the Parliament Act was passed. The lords must respect the democratic mandate of the commons, and if they dont, we will have a constitutional crisis upon our hands. Now i was listening to the lords earlier on today, and there are some of them who are beginning to be reasonable. So there is hope that we will avert this crisis. And then the issue will be, does rwanda work . Weve heard in the news that some airlines are being threatened with human rights claims. Well, if the airlines wont do it, weve got airlines wont do it, weve got a Royal Air Force which has a plane or two if necessary. The Prime Minister has a plane which could be used to take 1 or 2 of these Illegal Migrants to rwanda. And we need to make sure that it works as a deterrent, because as long as people who come here end up living here for years and years, more will come. And why does this matter . Well, its unfair on those who try to come legally , but also it is come legally, but also it is supporting. It is paying for it is funding the people traffickers , the snakeheads, who traffickers, the snakeheads, who make a lot of money out of human misery and are bringing people into this country , across the into this country, across the channelin into this country, across the channel in dangerous boats, so dangerous that the home office doesnt think theyre fit to send to the ukrainians to help them in their fight against russia, apparently because they can only possibly send safe boats. The dangerous journeys made funding and helping organised crime. Im breaking organised crime. Im breaking our law. Rwanda needs to act as a deterrent and that means getting numbers going quickly. The Prime Ministers determination expressed today is exactly what we need to hear. We will not be told what to do by a foreign court. Parliament has legislated and parliament is the highest form of law in this country. The sovereignty of parliament is a fundamental of our constitution. And if the lords let it pass, that will be the state of affairs, and it must be implemented as ever. Let me know your thoughts. Male morgue gbnews. Com but now i have my splendiferous panel with me, the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner, and the former brexit party mep and current sister anunciata rees mogg. Amy, your friends in rees mogg. Amy, your friends in the house of lords, your friends are blocking this bill, arent they . Well, majority of the peers in the house of lords, the tories, they dont like democracy. But its not just the house of lords, is it . Its 250 human rights charities. Its the military experts saying that the latest amendment needed to be included. Its the Supreme Court. Its saying that this is illegal. Its the un saying this cant go on. So why, why, why are the un being hypocritical, defiant . Why are they like spoilt children . What a bunch of hypocrites the un is, are because the un hcr sends people to rwanda and then it says we shouldnt. It sendsit then it says we shouldnt. It sends it sent some girls to rwanda. Okay. Okay. What about girls to rwanda . What about all the other people . What about lgbt people . What about lgbt people . What about the right to send girls . Rwanda that this is just 200, andifs rwanda that this is just 200, and its a reciprocal scheme. What about the other 99 of people are saying its all right to send girls to rwanda, but not that scheme. Its pretty sexist, very, very different. And it didnt include lgbt numbers and it was a very specific scheme. So you cant claw your way to go through that scheme. If girls are safe to go there , why are grown men not the un cant answer it and im afraid , cant answer it and im afraid, amy, nor can you, even if it is quite clearly in there judgement. Perfectly safe to send people there. We have send people there. We have changed this bill so that it ensures it is legal in our law, and im afraid to say we should have left the echr already, and now we might have to, but they are an undemocratic, unanswerable set of elites who try and tell countries to what do. You only have to look at poor switzerland, where they have had a referendum on whether to speed up their goal of net zero, and the people all said no. The zero, and the people all said no. The ec sr has overextended its reach and it has said you must because otherwise you are failing to meet their right to family life in switzerland. This is absolute nonsense where they break in. I think the echr i think the echr this was a great example that you raised of exactly why the echr is needed to protect citizens from their state, and if their state is acting illegally , if they take away illegally, if they take away human rights, thats not their state. For one, good was a referendum. Human rights. The swiss people who has rights , the swiss people who has rights, the people of this country or anybody who feels like coming here, human rights, surely about the rights of the british people to live peacefully under the law and not tolerate people breaking the law, who come here illegally . Ive always admired that. Tony benn quote that goes along the lines of, you can judge a government by the way it treats its most vulnerable. And the way this government is planning to treat its most vulnerable. These arent the most vulnerable. These are kromi. This is nonsense. These are people who have managed to get together enough money to pay the people smugglers and leave their wives and children at home. I think the spirit of france going that dangerous, one of those treacherous boats that many people have died as a result of, takes a certain amount of desperation that we cant deny. These people have got to france. Now, we may like to tease the french , but france is tease the french, but france is not a fundamentally dangerous country for you or i, but for a refugee, perhaps its different. Refugee, perhaps its different. Its not dangerous. They just dont give the benefits. We do know what i find really frustrating is if, for whatever reason , we ended up in the reason, we ended up in the position of these refugees, we speak english, wed want to go to an English Speaking country. So surely we can have some empathy for these people. Even jacob would learn french if his life was on the line. Lets take away the cruelty element because were not going to agree on that. Lets go to the practicality of this plan 200 people reciprocal. 70 of the properties have already been sold off. How does this work . Once we start getting them going . It is a real deterrent because lo and behold, people dont actually want to go to rwanda. But but the boats are up 25 from this time last year. Theyre the highest at this time of year. We havent record because we havent got the deterrent in place. Thats because of the house of lords and the labour party, particularly in the house of lords, obstructing it because theyre worried it will work and itll be a success for the government. I dont know how how you can think that that house of Commons Chamber knows better than all because theyre elected by the british people whose number one priority is to secure our borders. There are plenty of borders. There are plenty of ways to secure our borders without penalising , because the without penalising, because the labour party havent told us how they do the work they have. They theyve commented on the resettlement schemes that we just dont have anymore. We dont have the most Vulnerable People in the world because the most Vulnerable People in the world are trapped in places like syria and afghanistan. They are women and children who cant get out. Its why David Camerons scheme to give him credit was so good. When he took 20,000 refugees from the camps around syria, who were primarily women and children. These are people who actually are able to get together the money, able to make the journey, and very often arent telling the truth when they get here that they are pretending to be lgbt so that they get pretending. Any evidence of that . Any evidence of that . Any evidence of that . Well, there is, there is not. Well, there is, there is not. And theres plenty. Theyre pretending to be church of england. When Suella Braverman was pushed on that she could give examples of four people that gave evidence, isnt it . Thats evidence. But its by no means the majority. And im glad you agreed that a resettlement scheme is whats needed. And David Cameron did. Well, it was a good moment. How many . We offered 400,000 places and watsonians and 20,000 to afghans. What is going on there . Afghans. What is going on there . We took people from afghanistan who served the british nation, quite rightly , british nation, quite rightly, and that still exists, and thats possible for them to come in. What was voted today. What was voted today. Weve got its wonderful to see a couple of bishops sitting there in the house of lords looking like a couple of magpies in there. You cant agree with that amendment about the ignore the fact that their church has been allowing people to come in and pretend theyre christian when theyre not. But if an afghan who served with the British Military arrives on a small boat, as of tomorrow, they will be sent to rwanda. He shouldnt come on. He shouldnt come on. He shouldnt come on. He has broken the law before. Hes entered our country. I mean, for goodness sake. I mean, for goodness sake. What . Straight to prison. If he goes stay in afghanistan, if he goes stay in afghanistan, if he is, somebody whos worked for the british government, he will be able to come here. The governments made that absolutely clear. There are legal routes for people. Yes, there are finished the resettlement scheme has finished. The government has made absolutely clear i was listening to both Andrew Mitchell on the radio this morning and the government minister in the house of lords have said there is a safe and legal route for people whove worked for us in afghanistan to come in the same Andrew Mitchell who said it was immoral and impractical last yean immoral and impractical last year, but this year is saying, oh, its brilliant, send them away. I dont really think hes got much consistency. He knows that there is a route and thats the key. The amendment on afghanistan is purely to undermine the whole operation of the bill by making it legally questionable, so that it legally questionable, so that it will get the courts back involved. And the Supreme Court judges , and the Supreme Court judges, five five Supreme Court judges who decided to back the unhcr, which sends people to rwanda rather than the british government. I thought that was a pretty shameful judgement of the Supreme Court. This is a political decision. Political decision. Bunch of people who actually agree with it, just a political decision, so stubborn. And so we see a credible cynicism by the house of lords that they are pretending to be holier than thou, no offence to the bishops. Thou, no offence to the bishops. Perhaps they potentially are, but they are sitting on their high horses, so theyre not just in order to frustrate the will of the democratically elected house. Would they gain from that . These are your conservative peers. Youve got theyre not not the only conservative peer. Its like trying to legislate conservative peer who voted against us in the last round was lord hailsham , no, its not the lord hailsham, no, its not the conservative peers. Its the labour party and some the crossbenches and notably baroness hale of richmond, the supposedly independent judge whos actually always on the side of lefties but never voted in support of the government. Very nice spider brooch, she may do, but i dont think shes ever voted on the side of the government. She always votes against in support of left wing causes. So all i thought that tells you all you need to know about ourjudiciary. They said rishi sunakis ourjudiciary. They said rishi sunak is hosting a drinks party for the period in which the ministers wait to go back into the chamber, and i juxtaposed that with the thought of those women, children and men getting on to those. How many women, how many children . There was a child that died in january last year to say how many, i havent got the figures immediately to hand, but its over 90 are male. But why would those there are virtually no children. And the ones that there have been supposedly turn out to be in their 30s in some occasions, but very, very few. What you and but very, very few. What you and i would call children, you know, we have the Family Reunion scheme. So if a man does make it across and was granted asylum , across and was granted asylum, then his family here, of course you wouldnt put a child and a woman on a comes in illegally. He shouldnt bring his family here. He. Should be sent to rwanda. Thank you very much to my panel. Coming up, as the my panel. Coming up, as the United States house of representatives finally passes a divisive 95 billion aid package, including 61 billion for ukraine. How will this affect Vladimir Putins war mongering . Does the package go far enough in support of israel . Plus, as the row over anti semitism continues in a prison, governor is forced to apologise to a trans rapist for misgendering. Is the british pubuc misgendering. Is the British Public losing faith in the forces of law and order . Well, we were talking about rwanda , and youve been sending rwanda, and youve been sending in your views, which im glad to say broadly reflect mine. Peter says the lords are not elected, but they feed on our money. I say no more. And duncan says the lord should be more concerned about the safety of british people from unidentifiable gatecrashers and about the unlikely possibility of some of these people being relocated or living in less than luxury. The contentious and long delayed 61 billion aid package for ukraine from the United States was finally passed through the house of representatives yesterday, after months of partisan divisions. The package , which divisions. The package, which will fund weaponry for ukraine, including air defence systems, missiles and artillery shells, has been warmly welcomed by president volodymyr zelenskyy, who has pressed the crucial nature of ukraines air defence in the conflict, declaring every day as important now as the Nations Armed forces run critically low on ammunition. The bill should be passed by the senate and signed by President Biden in the next few days , as biden in the next few days, as well as the 61 billion for ukraine. The package also includes 26 billion in aid for israel, along with money for taiwan, haiti and sudan. The passage of this aid package poses two major questions what does this mean for the Russia Ukraine war . And is the west doing enough to support israel in its war against Hamas Terrorists . Well, im joined now terrorists . Well, im joined now in the studio by the extremely distinguished defence editor of the evening standard, robert fox. Robert, thank you for coming back in again. Can you tell me, first of all, how important this 61 billion is to ukraine and what it will be spent on . Its vital, if it hadnt gone through, we were facing real trouble for zelenskyy knew it, too. And they were talking about possibly, you know, having to come to terms by the mid summer, say, august and the terms would have been very, very unfavourable indeed , as you unfavourable indeed, as you rightly say, that this will go on shelves. So theyre consuming on shelves. So theyre consuming far too many shells. I dont know why that. Theyve got stuck know why that. Theyve got stuck on very heavy artillery. 155, 152mm shells, and they need millions of them. And the whole that package cost billions. The that package cost billions. The really critical thing is you say is air defence and its not only the patriot, which we hear a lot about, which is really rather expensive, but there will be more patriot batteries going to protect the towns and the infrastructure. Thats where the real war, the main point of the war is at the moment. Thats where russia truly is trying to break the ukrainians by breaking a utility supplies, water, sewage as well as electricity and theyve been making gains there. There is one weapon i dont want to be go too nerdy on you. The dont want to be go too nerdy on you. The atacms atacms that is a depth weapon that the americans have and theyve withheld till now. That is going to go forward. So you will see space and they need it now within the next fortnight because russia is expected to do a major ground offensive. And what does the depth weapon actually do. Well it fires up to 90km away, gets behind the front line. So russia is firing well into ukraine at the moment. And this will allow ukraine to fight back. It allows ukraine to fire back behind the troops that are doing all the work at the moment, are fighting round avdiivka. Theyve broken out of avdiivka. Theyve broken out of a of bakhmut, as we know, and theyre pushing forward on about 5 or 6 different, different, different places. But by the way, i dont think that thats where the thing will be decided. If kharkiv towards the border can hold out. I think Decision Point may well be reached around the black sea and odesa, because if by a combination of american and european efforts and britain is very important in this, in the maritime perspective, if they can hold on to odesa, keep they can hold on to odesa, keep the black sea open, then theyve got a breathing space. And then the initiative passes from russia , where it is at the russia, where it is at the moment back to ukraine, because does russia want another very, very exhausting 18 months, thats where the game is. The answer is probably not. And thats very important because russia has in the recent months been seen to be making some advances. Ukraine as youve been saying, has got very tired and has suffered quite heavy losses. But if russia now faces 18 months, rather than thinking the package wasnt going through and that ukraine wasnt getting support, does that change the thinking in moscow . Yes, it does, because from all that we can discern that moscow really didnt think this package was going to go through. Package was going to go through. They thought that it would be upheld. Theyre fascinated by congressional politics, and they thought that that would give them a breather , them them a breather, them a breathing space to start their own summer air offensive. And i was talking to a friend of mine who had been at a conference in istanbul about the caucasus, where there were russian representatives, and she talks to russian representatives in moscow and petersburg, really, on a daily basis , and was saying on a daily basis, and was saying what is noticeable with people from moscow now is how weary they are that they hate the war. They its not that theyre against putin and for zelenskyy far from it, but they just hate the war, somebody was saying apparently this is another third hand thing, but the mother had gone out shopping. But all the shops, all the good shops have gone. Theyve closed. And its very interesting to discern. Apparently the difference between the old enlightenment caphal between the old enlightenment capital, which is petersburg, you know, looking out towards the baltic , where things are the baltic, where things are still pretty good because theyre in touch with scandinavia. But the mood is scandinavia. But the mood is very, very different in moscow. Very, very different in moscow. And the other thing that weve got to factor in thinking , think got to factor in thinking, think of the, of the concert hall, terrorist action. Moscow. Putin is very worried about security on its southern borders and from extremists coming up from the asiatic steppe. And this type of domestic mood is very important in war, isnt it, that if the home front isnt it, that if the home front is undermined, thats when people start wanting to fight. And there seem to have been very high casualties. Figures are not easy to come by, but a large number of russians have been killed. Obviously large number of ukrainians too. And there must be a lot of families in russia who are bereaved and very upset and dont want this war to continue. Well, it is pretty well confirmed that in about the first 18 months, something just over 50,000 russians were killed. So therefore you have to double them. You have double the number injured and were getting all killed missing in action, prisoners of war getting towards the court of a million. This has an effect. Oh, you look at the colossal numbers involved in the in the Second World War. This isnt the Second World War because russia is more diminished. In some ways it is more alone. And it has a declining population and it is totally geared now to this war, 40 of the public, the government budget goes to this. Now its beginning to have an effect. And my understanding is effect. And my understanding is that people are getting worried. Last year, of course, we had prigozhin and he said, i didnt think this war was very good and it wasnt a good idea. It was very badly run. He appears to have had more traction than appeared at the time. Now theres one other thing i want to ask you about, because some of this money has gone to israel, and the israeli head of idf intelligence, Major General ahron haliva, has resigned and taken responsibility for the failures of intelligence around the 7th of october. How important is this . How important is this . How important is this . Thats very important. Its the first that will have to be some inquiry. And you see right across the piece in the Israeli Press that there will have to be a political reckoning to that is postponed, the former leader of the opposition, still technically leader of the opposition, but in the war cabinet, benny gantz, said maybe we should have elections in september. I doubt that that was happening. Im not going to happening. Im not going to waffle on ball with you. What is going to happen with this american aid . I think what biden and more to the point, what Antony Blinken is saying, come on, dont go mad. Get this wrapped up and theyve done some sort of deal about whether they can winkle the hard command of yahya sinwar of some hamas out of rafah , and then we want it of rafah, and then we want it done. Then of rafah, and then we want it done. Then weve got to get the aid going. And this does seem to be a quid pro quo. My evidence be a quid pro quo. My evidence is circumstantial, which is hopeless. Hopeless. Your sources are very good. Your sources are very good. But the fact is that when israel struck back against iran, it struck back, if i can put it like that, with extreme restraint. Yes. And that is the restraint. Yes. And that is the symptom that the americans and they are talking and relationships strong again. Its relationships strong again. Its strong again. Robert, thank you so much. I always feel so much better informed when robert comes on. So thank you , coming up, as the so thank you, coming up, as the row over anti semitism continues and a prison gardener is forced to apologise to a trans rapist for misgendering , is the british for misgendering, is the british pubuc for misgendering, is the British Public losing faith in our forces of law and order . Plus, as keir starmer declares his party as the true party of patriotism, a new poll reveals 1 in 8 labour voters think Saint Georges flag is racist and divisive. Is starmer a steady divisive. Is starmer a steady patriot of the world alone, a friend of every country but his own . The role of the police is to uphold law and order. With all of us being equal under the law. However, recent events have undermined the trust of the people, particularly that of british jews. On saturday, a Police Sergeant prevented a man from crossing a road near a pro palestinian march in london because he was, quote, openly jewish. Not only does the phrase openly jewish automatically imply that his religion is something to be kept hidden, but if the jewish mans presence did cause a stir, it is the Police Officers role to ensure that he feels safe and protected. As a new poll in the times shows, only 37 of people think the police is doing a good job. This is not confined to anti semitic incidents, but there is a broader malaise amongst the forces of law and order. Another example is that a prisoner prison governor apologised to the double rapist isla bryson, who is trans, after complaining about being called son. If our forces of law and order do not stop pandering to the woke brigade, trust and respect will be further eroded. How do we be further eroded. How do we rebuild confidence in them . Well im joined now by by former metropolitan Police Detective peter bleksley, peter, thank you very much for joining peter bleksley, peter, thank you very much forjoining me. How do the police restore trust with regards to the police . I think its an uphill task and i dont think theyre ever going to achieve it. I think the modern model of policing that one built on policing by consent is in its death throes. And ten within or maybe 15 years, the policing model, as we know it will be replaced largely by private security firms who are already getting a firm taiwan toehold in terms of policing communities and neighbourhoods. And quite frankly, if we broaden it out, including the Prison Service, now , where we have a service, now, where we have a majority of prisoners who are under the influence of drugs and a prison estate that is incapable of imposing discipline because it doesnt have the numbers of trained staff. If we then look at the policing of pro palestinian protests , pro palestinian protests, whereby, again, the police dont have the numbers , so they have the numbers, so they appease and they allow the mob elements to rule, and then if we look to our high streets where shoplifting is at epidemic proportions, the matter of the fact is mob rules britain these days and our Public Services are ill equipped , incapable, and ill equipped, incapable, and dont have the moral fibre to do what the majority of the public want them to do. But why dont we have the numbers . Because i think weve got more police than weve ever had before. Why cant they be deployed to arrest people who are breaking the law, and to arrest shoplifters and other people who are committing crimes . 7 a . A marvellous question, 7 a marvellous question, and the answer to that largely is because of pathetic standards of vetting and discipline and training and management in recent years, there are hundreds of Police Officers suspended or on restricted duties who cant have dealings with the public. There are hundreds of Police Officers on desk jobs because they dont fancy the rough and tumble of frontline policing , tumble of frontline policing, and theyve been able to grow and theyve been able to grow and fill roles that could otherwise be performed by civilians. And with regards to civilians. And with regards to the Prison Service, yes, they will complain about a lack of numbers. But if you join the pfison numbers. But if you join the Prison Service at 18 and are faced with 50 years on the landings in a front facing role, thats very unappetising for anybody. Anybody. Well, thank you very much, peter, as always, for joining well, thank you very much, peter, as always, forjoining us with me is my panel and indeed the queen of woke. Amy, is this all . Call me that before. That before. Is this all the fault of the woke brigade . In terms of the trans prisoner and why did the metropolitan police get it so wrong . I dont think isla bryson is a trans prisoner. I think hes a man fraudulently posing as a trans prisoner to get special treatment, i said at the time, when the story came out that this was a failing of the Prison Service, and rather than anything broader because the idea of self id and that trans prisoners can go in the correct prisons is , is, is perfectly prisons is, is, is perfectly appropriate and important because there have been cases where real trans women have been placed in the mens estate and have been attacked, have been raped, and have had to be moved after great suffering, and it still remains the case that youre statistically more likely to be attacked by another prisoner or a guard. As a female in a prison. I also think most females in prison shouldnt be there at all. And actually its just hes normalising. But basically , youre saying hes basically, youre saying hes not a woman in this country, which is why we have the numbers. But youre saying hes not a woman. Hes a man who is pretending to be a woman to get special treatment. Adam graham, isnt it . So adam graham has an ex wife who has said very clearly that he neven has said very clearly that he never, ever lived or was a trans woman. And he also doesnt have a gender recognition certificate. He also doesnt have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. I think its really obvious now that hes not a trans woman. So we shouldnt really. Why you shouldnt allow self identification. Well, you need to have a proper process. Proper process. No, because self identification, when you apply for the gender recognition certificate, you have to do so with supporting documents. And in every country where they have gender recognition certificates, such as ireland , portugal. I such as ireland, portugal. I cant think of the other ones, if you access one and you arent actually a trans person, thats fraud. So if anything, he should be locked up for longer for fraud. Okay, well thats pretty robust response. But i want to talk to you about, the metropolitan police because i feel some sympathy for the commissioner that his job seems absolutely impossible, that he is in charge of, i dont know, 25,000 people. And every single day there is one of them who does something really eye wateringly stupid, and he is held personally responsible. Oh, it ultimately , the person oh, it ultimately, the person at the top is responsible for how their organisation runs. There is clearly a systemic problem within the metropolitan police that they do not police equally, equality before the law is one of the oldest tenets of our country, and we should absolutely enforce that and insist that it is enforced. That can you imagine if, instead of it being a jewish man with a kippah on, it was a black female crossing the a march of fascists . Of course , the police fascists . Of course, the police would have protected her as they should , but the same should should, but the same should apply. Whoever you are, and under all circumstances. And we do too, desperately need policing by consent. And at the moment i dont think many people believe in the metropolitan police and i do think its different outside the capital. When you have a march this weekend and whatever your views on drug legalisation, but when you have thousands of people sitting down openly smoking Illegal Drugs in london and the Police Watching rac nothing, there is no no respect for the police anymore. They may as well not be there. And thats very sad because i think genuinely on drugs or anyway the vast majority are there to do the right thing, to do the best they can. Thats right. They are not having the leadership they need to be able to do their jobs to empower them to do their job. I probably talk to more policemen than most people outside the police force, because the house of commons has a lot of police rounded who are excellent individuals who go to trouble with people, who are very helpful to passer by, who are the absolute model of polite policing. So is it leadership thats wrong . Or is it, as nunziata saying that they have a bad culture . I think the police culture, the systemic failings in the police, such as with racism, sexism , that is a whole sexism, that is a whole different kettle of fish to what were talking about when were talking about policing these marches, because that, video of gideon, its the 13 minute long video, and when you see it in full, as opposed to the eight seconds that he gleefully shared, lets be honest, its very different story. Its a very different story. Its a very different story. Very different story. Im sorry. Im. Im all right, amy. Ive got to stop you. Because he didnt gleefully share. He couldnt have gleefully, in your words, share it. If it hadnt been said it was, he should be perfectly able to be openly jewish as he likes. People can watch the full 30 minutes if they want to, but weve got a statement from the chief commissioner of the metropolitan police, sir mark rowley, who said we absolutely understand how vulnerable jewish and muslim londoners feel since the terrorist attacks on israel, some of our actions have increased this concern. Our increased this concern. Our officers will continue to police with courage, empathy and impartiality, and its not really for me to comment on his statement, which means read it out. But actually, i think thats a pretty reasonable thing for him to say. And i think hes got a really, really difficult job to do, thanks to my panel coming up next to sir keir starmer declares his party as the true party of patriotism, a new poll reveals 1 in 8 labour voters think Saint Georges flag is racist and divisive. Does this add up . Plus, our will get into the meaty subject of a University Student being threatened with expulsion by University Officials after being overheard saying veganism is wrong. The stakes are high on this one. Well, thank you again for your mail. Moggs. Dave says when the police faced the miners, they had hard hats and riot shields to protect them. Now they have to protect them. Now they have soft hats and a defenceless and sybil. Sybil, you are my new sybil. Sybil, you are my new heroine. She says i love your company and wish you were my mp. Sadly, i have to accept that hampshire is very unlikely to tempt you away from the admittedly superior and wonderful somerset sybil. I think thats so kind of you , think thats so kind of you, though. You have upset my wonderful producer from yorkshire who thinks that yorkshire who thinks that yorkshire is as good as somerset, but as alfred did when he read out a mail mog, my number five child. Certainly not. Ahead of Saint Georges day tomorrow. Today is Saint Georges eve, a new poll has shown that 1 in 8 labour voters believe that the england flag is racist, divisive and shouldnt be flown. However, sir keir starmer has labelled his party as the party of patriotism. But how can the leader of the labour party keep everyone united ahead of the election, when his own supporters contradict what the party stands for . And if you thought the woke narrative could not get any worse, think again. A philosophy student at the university of exeter, robert evenson, has apparently been disciplined and threatened with expulsion of a student next door to him. Overheard robert say that veganism is wrong and gender fluidity is stupid. If you thought free speech was at least safe in the confines of your own bedroom, this rings untrue. At exeter university, where back to my panel. Current where back to my panel. Current sister nunziata, veganism is wrong. Yes. Okay. Youre going wrong. Yes. Okay. Youre going to be cancelled by exeter university. People are cancelled all the time for saying that veganism is wrong. I think its deeply unhealthy. I think it is cruel to children and i think that it kills dogs. Okay, well that kills dogs. Okay, well that kills dogs. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Because theyre oh, if you make the dog behave well, people. People do people do. People do people do. And obsessive vegans actually do make their dogs and cats vegan. Do make their dogs and cats vegan. And it does often have vegan. And it does often have very major health impact, including death. I did not realise that was happening. Carnivore was a happening. Carnivore was a carnivore. No carnivores. So you cant have it. So you cant have it. You cant not go off on this tangent. Vegan dogs. But what about what he said about, the trans hormone . No, no, no. Well, i feel like hes been watching state of the nation maybe, and shouting gender fluidity is stupid. He says, so would you punish him for that . Im in the amy regime. Anthony segaert are not regime. Anthony segaert are not going to be locked up or sent to bed with no supper. I would i would punish him for it if he said it repeatedly, very loudly, through the wall at midnight, which it kind of is looking like it was something a bit more to this story. It must be something more to this story. So it must be something more to this story. So i it must be something more to this story. So i watched the this story. So i watched the interview with him, but theres no interview with the recipient of the verbal. If you shouted at the top of his voice or sang the anti veganism song at midnight, i just, i just think theres more to this then then fair enough. He has claimed that he is six foot five, from from his image. He is not a small chap in any definition of that, and he has a booming voice. Well, thats booming voice. Well, thats hardly something that is his fault. Either youre like that fault. Either youre like that or youre not. Whatever you say in private is nothing to do with anyone else. You cant take anyone else. You cant take offence at something that wasnt directed at you. This is what this is what im thinking. Because if the neighbour was in the halls of residence and, you know, theres a tiny and the walls are very thin, you pretty much hear everything thats going on. And if the neighbour was a gender fluid vegan , then that perhaps fluid vegan, then that perhaps changes the situation a little bit. Oh, i think if its bullying, thats a different question altogether. And you shouldnt go up to somebody who is a vegan and say being vegan is wrong. Gender fluid. Vegans are stupid. No that would be unkind. So i think there might. The two have a high correlation in im not sure. Or is it just bad luck . But i mean, i think it gender fluidity is, perfectly open to question that. I think their common insult is rubbish. Well, yes. Yes. Come on amy, i dont know who you are often defending trans people, but do you defend it . But do you defend it . Isnt it . Yes. Its eddie izzard, susie izzard, eddie izzard, susie izzard, eddie izzard, susie izzard that backwards and forwards. I wouldnt want to dismiss it, but l, wouldnt want to dismiss it, but i, i find it hard to believe, harder to get. Youre a very generous person. I find it absolutely understandable and that there are some kind of deeply confused person, and that one should therefore, you know, take care of them and be kind and courteous to everybody. But if you accidentally misgender them, that is not an act of evil that is an accident. Particularly not if they change every morning, every day. You cant possibly always get it right , but it you cant possibly always get it right, but it was saying you cant possibly always get it right , but it was saying that right, but it was saying that veganism is a bad thing i think is completely acceptable. Saying is completely acceptable. Saying that gender fluidity is not any kind of proven diagnosis, i think is perfectly acceptable. Saying its stupid isnt the most careful of language, but its probably accurate and we reported last week on veganism being less healthy than a meat based dance. There had been a study and you had lower Blood Pressure and so on. If you ate a little bit of red meat, you know you can get a study to say pretty much anything. There is some there is some truth in that actually. I will allow amy, the last point on this occasion, if you watch this program regularly, which i hope you all do, youll know that one of our regular features is wet wipe of the week, given to me by my son thomas, actually, where we expose it, particularly drippy and woke individual from the weeks news. Perhaps this will jog your memory. And we included that man, mi6, who resigned from the garrick club for being a wet wipe. Well, in the states never ending war on convenience, his majestys government has announced a ban on the sale of wet wipes containing plastic in a bid to protect our waterways and beaches. Fortunately, state of the nation will not be complying. Wet wipe of the week complying. Wet wipe of the week is here to stay, so keep tuning in for more of our wet wipes and send them in to me via mail. Mog you know the email by now because youre extremely well informed. Its mailmogg gbnews. Uk and thats all from me. Up next is ben leo in for the inimitable patrick christys. Ben, what is on your bill of fare this evening . I hope its not vegan. Jacob not sure we can crack gender fluid vegans. I mean, thats a bit. Youve set the bar thats a bit. Youve set the bar there, but, look, were going to keep an eye on the rwanda vote. The lords are expected to vote at 10 pm. Huw edwards from the bbc should we have access to the internal investigation that the beeb has concluded or will approve . And also a child rapist has appealed his deportation from the uk back to africa because it might hurt his feelings. All that and more, including the nspccs whistleblower who says that trans ideology has taken over the charity. The charity. Well, thats all very interesting. Thank you for telling me. The lords is voting at ten, because i now know when i may need it back in the house of commons to vote, to pong it back towards them. They do gas on their lordships. I could have thought they could have done a much faster than that, but they cant be kept from their opinions. Anyway, ill be back tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rees mogg. This has been state of the nation and sybil, im glad to tell you that the weather in somerset, as always, is going to be absolutely beautiful tomorrow. Fine sunshine in cloudless sky and the final tulips will be visible i a a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello. Good evening. Welcome to your latest gb. News, weather update. Looking ahead to tomorrow, its going to be a much drier and sunnier day for many of us, but there will be some rain, particularly across the southeast. Thats due to this weather front thats still making its way southwards. Much of the rain will tend to fade away throughout this evening, but therell be a real legacy of cloud left behind. So quite a murky evening for central areas of england, parts of wales , the of england, parts of wales, the south coast as well. We can see some drizzly rain for a time this evening. Theres also a risk of some fog developing across parts of northeastern england through tonight. Further north and west, though , it will north and west, though, it will be much drier and clearer tonight. Its going to be quite a cold start tomorrow, but frost will be fairly limited to just some scottish glens and perhaps the far south east of england as well. So a chilly start to the day, but definitely a brighter start to the day for northern ireland, much of scotland, Northern England as well across many Western Areas of wales and southwest england as well. It should be a fairly dry and bright day, but sunshine will be a little bit more limited across the south coast, where therell be some drizzly rain on and off through the day across the south east, but it wont feel too bad in the sunshine if youre sheltered from that northerly wind. Its going to be a cold start on wednesday, though theres a greater risk of seeing a frost. Generally, though still in rural areas, weve got more of a north easterly wind developing on wednesday that will bring in a few showers across the east coast, but in the west its going to be another fairly dry, bright and warm feeling day in the sunshine. Looking ahead to the sunshine. Looking ahead to the sunshine. Looking ahead to the rest of the week, while still some chilly nights to come and it looks like it will turn a little bit more unsettled from fri day. Friday. Looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Hello. Youre watching and listening to gb news. Im tamsin roberts. Here are the headlines at 11. Well first to the latest developments from westminster, where mps have again voted to reject the latest lords amendment to the rwanda bill. The final change the lords added to the bill would have required that rwanda couldnt be treated as safe until ministers consulted with an independent Monitoring Group and made a statement to parliament. The bills now been sent back to the house of lords again. But tonights political ping pong wasnt without its mishaps. This wasnt without its mishaps. This was the moment the lights went out in the house of lords. Are i must said something very controversial , but ive very controversial, but ive still ive still got a light. So if yes , thank you. If yes, thank you. Well, tonights showdown between the two houses comes after the Prime Minister declared earlier that. Enough is enough, and said mps and peers will sit through the night to get the bill passed. Well, weve get the bill passed. Well, weve just learned the Prime Minister is set to announce the uks largest ever package of aid for ukraine during visits to warsaw and berlin tomorrow. The £500 and berlin tomorrow. The £500 million pledge comes as the Prime Minister warns that Vladimir Putin will not stop at the polish border if his assault on ukraine is not stopped. The on ukraine is not stopped. The funding includes ammunition, air defence, drones and engineering support. It means the uk commitment to ukraine so far since the 2022 invasion totalled £7. 6 billion to the us now, and prosecutors have told a court that Donald Trumps alleged cover up of a hush money payment to a porn star did break the law. Sparse crowd greeted trump at the new york courthouse , at the new york courthouse, despite his call for nationwide yet peaceful protests. Is the first