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Ill get reaction from a top westminster insider. Election. Ill get reaction from a top westminster insider. Yet a top westminster insider. Yet another free speech row in higher education, as its revealed an Exeter University student was threatened with expulsion after being overheard through his bedroom wall saying that veganism is wrong and gender fluidity is stupid. One exeter professor who wants to push back on this madness joins me live tonight. We will me live tonight. We will remember the late, great Queen Elizabeth the second on what would have been her 98th birthday. In the company of my mark meets guest, the queens favourite royal photographer, ian , and in my take a ten. Ian lloyd, and in my take a ten. Looking forward to this. Following his lurid confessions of drug use, the duke of sussex is praying that joe biden is re elected in november because if donald trump returns to the white house, prince harry could be deported to britain. Reacting be deported to britain. Reacting to the big stories of the day, Michael Crick linda jubilee and yes, a member of the house of lords that has some common sense. Lord kulveer, ranger. Plus the most important part of the show your views. They come straight to my laptop. Gbnews. Com forward slash your say. This show has a golden rule. We dont do boring. Not on my watch. I just wont have it a big two hours to come. Dont miss a second of the action. And we start with my big opinion. Like a stubborn case of chlamydia , the Angela Rayner chlamydia, the Angela Rayner story just wont go away. And story just wont go away. And im itching to tell you more in what feels like day 377 of this political drama, i fear that well still be talking about this in decades to come. Well still be speculating long after the conclusion of world war iii. It will still be a hot topic after the nuclear apocalypse, and when the aliens finally land on planet earth, even they will be wondering whether Angela Rayner lived on vicarage road or launders road in 2015. Now, many people say that the sum involved Capital Gains tax of just over £1,000 is trivial. They are right. Many people say there are right. Many people say there are bigger problems facing the country. The cost of living bloated and inefficient Public Services , sky high rents, energy services, sky high rents, energy bills, debt, crime they are right. Many say it is a political witch hunt against a prominent left wing politician, a working class woman who has worked hard herself and made something of her life. Well, something of her life. Well, maybe they are right. So why does this matter . Why wont the story go away . Because of the story go away . Because of the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the woman who would be our next deputy Prime Minister is hiding something and not being straight with the public. And this is surely a qualification thats required for high office. Rayner herself has been enthusiastic in her hounding down of public figures like bofis down of public figures like Boris Johnson. She said he couldnt possibly remain Prime Minister whilst under investigation. The story wont go away because Angela Rayner wont kill it, so how could she kill it . Well, she just has to pubush kill it . Well, she just has to publish the legal advice that she was given, which labour say confirms she did nothing wrong. But she wont publish. Why . If it exonerates her, why not . And her boss, sir keir starmer hasnt seen this legal advice. Now hes a top lawyer and the leader of the opposition. He says he doesnt want to see the advice, he doesnt need to see it. He hasnt seen it. Perhaps keir starmer is not a big reader. Im more than happy for Angela Rayner to send me that legal advice, and maybe i can sit down, perhaps at bedtime , sit down, perhaps at bedtime, and the legal advice to sir and read the legal advice to sir keir starmer over a cup of cocoa. Do you see the problem . Well, the mail on sunday definitely do, because they have not let this story go in recent weeks , theyve reported weeks, theyve reported a testimony from a former neighbour called sylvia hampson, who will swear on the bible that rayner lived at one address, not the other. The paper have trawled through social media posts and reported that rayners former top adviser has contradicted his former bosss account. And today the mail on sunday. Like a dog with a bone and more xl bully than chihuahua, reports that the aforementioned ex neighbour sylvia hampson, who has previously called the labour deputy leader an effing liar about this, has confirmed that she was a legal witness to the sale of rayners home. The mail on sunday report that rayner asked mrs. Hampson to sign the document, unearthed by the paper for what she claimed was her principal property, even though her neighbour lived a mile away next door to the labour number. Twos then husband , where she twos then husband, where she says she wasnt living confused. You should be now, the Police Investigation is ongoing and we must have due process. Rayner has said she will step down if a crime has been committed. Some of the accusations are hearsay and they may be politically motivated. Many prominent tories have gone up to far worse in the past. Angela rayner has always protested her innocence, explaining that she has legal advice exonerating her. And as far as anyone is concerned, she has acted properly and has no case to answer. Angela rayner could well be as innocent as a night out with mary berry, but until this normally very up front politician is up front. About the story , the whole about the story, the whole story, its not going to go away. Yes, folks, there are more Unanswered Questions than wayne rooney on mastermind, which is why this is an unwelcome distraction for Angela Rayner and her boss sir keir starmer, who has unequivocally backed his deputy, Angela Rayner, could so easily kill this story. But she wont. Why . Any alleged wrongdoing is minor, but thats not the point. This is about being straight, its about honesty. Its about the truth. We need to know which property really was Angela Rayners home sweet home. But all weve been given is sweet. Far. Your reaction . Gb news com forward slash your say. But first, my top pundits this evening we have journalist and author Michael Crick, no less, a member of the house of lords, former adviser to Boris Johnson, lord kulveer, ranger and a very old friend of mine, journalist and Communications Adviser, the one and the only linda jubilee. Can i tell you its taking me longer and longer to get across that studio. Michael crick im starting to show my age. Id call it metal fatigue. Not like call it metal fatigue. Not like you. Youre like a brand new boeing. Michael, your reaction to this story . It wont go away. And reason. And for good reason. It wont go away, the things Angela Rayner is accused of are relatively trivial. If shed had any sense, she would have sent a check to the hmrc for £3,000 or something, and that probably would have killed it, you know, people, the electoral register thing. I mean, i did a story thing. I mean, i did a story about john major years ago doing worse than that. I did a story about paul nuttall, the ukip leader, worse that. Leader, doing worse than that. But shows the but what it shows is the inadequacies of both rayner and starmer. And when starmer says it would be inappropriate to look at the legal advice. What complete rubbish. Find me a decent lawyer in the kingdom who agrees with that. Why is it inappropriate if i was the boss of a of a company and one of my Senior Executives had got into trouble like this and said they had legal advice, the first thing id say is, well, bring me the advice, and it makes the legal advice, and it makes everybody that legal everybody think that the legal advice than 100 advice is less than 100 supportive. Important supportive. Its also important for three other reasons, and im sorry if im stealing all my colleagues points. First, enjoy the spotlight. First, enjoy the spotlight. First, enjoy the spotlight. First, starmer Michael Crick tonight for first time, one of starmers selling points is that here we have a man of integrity. Former dpp , his chief of staff, former dpp, his chief of staff, former cabinet ethics adviser. Former cabinet ethics adviser. And yet they cannot handle this story properly. Second housing major issue for a party like laboun major issue for a party like labour, a party that has struggled over the years to decide what it thinks about the right to buy council houses. And third, one of the few ways in which labour planned to make money for the treasury. Although im pretty sceptical about it, is by cracking down further on tax tax evasion. Tax avoidance and tax evasion. So this story is going to come up again and again and again until they sort out. Until they sort it out. Shes , i think, foolish. I shes, i think, foolish. I think its a mistake how labour are handling this because as you say, indiscretion is going say, any indiscretion is going to she said shell to be minor. She said shell stand down if shes done anything thats anything criminal. Thats unlikely the case. Is this unlikely to be the case. Is this partly a political witch hunt, though . Woman being though . Is this woman being picked because shes left picked on because shes left wing . Working class. Wing . Shes working class. There an element of, there is an element of, clearly, course , theres an clearly, of course, theres an element of witch hunt about it. And the conservatives have gone big on but, i mean, im not big on it. But, i mean, im not a conservative, but can a conservative, but one can hardly blame given how hardly blame them, given how much went big on much Angela Rayner went big on them over all the things that bofis them over all the things that Boris Johnson did. And thats the problem with our modern politics. Famous and are famous for your guerilla journalism at newsnight channel news. If newsnight and channel 4 news. If you currently at one of you were currently at one of those would you those networks, would you be doorstepping . Angela rayner in regard to this story . Id be doorstepping angela raynen id be doorstepping Angela Rayner, also be rayner, but id also be doorstepping starmer. In doorstepping keir starmer. In fact, be fact, id probably be doorstepping than her. Doorstepping him more than her. Listen, kulveer okay, well, listen, kulveer rangen okay, well, listen, Kulveer Ranger, that ranger, the bottom line is that Angela Rayner has made clear shes wrong. Shes done nothing wrong. Theres investigation theres a Police Investigation on the boss. Keir starmer is happy legal advice is sound, happy the legal advice is sound, she said. You know shell stand down if anything criminal has happened. Nothing to see here. Well, it doesnt feel that way because we know theres an investigation at the investigation going on at the moment there moment and there appear there are questions be are more questions to be answered hear this drip answered and we hear this drip feed information coming feed of information coming through about neighbours and others and the formidable sylvia hampson. Who will become hampson. Yes. Who will become a household name . No doubt, by the time this is no shrinking violet at the age of 83. It sounds that way from her colourful language as but i think the issue as well. But i think the issue also here for Angela Rayner as a politician is before this issue we were hitting peak angela raynen we were hitting peak Angela Rayner. She had really built up a lot of Political Capital to the point where, you know, sir keir starmer has to hold her quite close. She is the equivalent two jags. Prescott equivalent of two jags. Prescott for blair was for him. She for tony blair was for him. She is two houses rayner now but she bnngs is two houses rayner now but she brings out working class credibility to a leader who slightly lacks it. She gives that breadth to the labour party. Needs Angela Rayner party. He needs Angela Rayner politically, so whether he wants to see the legal advice once he wants to see her damaged through this issue, which it could be relatively in scale of relatively minor in scale of things , but its beginning things, but its beginning to fester havent fester because they havent deau fester because they havent dealt with it. Because she was at peak rayner and they thought maybe they could just move on. And thats going to be and i think thats going to be a fundamental learning for this labour get into labour party. If they get into power and theres a big if there there is a general election, we havent. This is the kind of thing you have to deal with. Well, and something that well, and its something that the conservatives havent been deaung the conservatives havent been dealing government dealing with well in government in of years, in the latter couple of years, or jubilee. Or linda jubilee. A sort of classic is this a sort of classic sort witch and also sort of tory witch hunt and also witch the part of the witch hunt on the part of the right wing press . Witch hunt on the part of the rigiwell,g press . Witch hunt on the part of the rigiwell, what;s . Witch hunt on the part of the rigiwell, what i . Witch hunt on the part of the rigiwell, what i do know, and well, what i do know, and i was a Staff Reporter on the mail on sunday, is now that they started down path , they started down this path, they wont up. They absolutely wont. But isnt that because they dont have anything . Theyre grasping straws. Theyre grasping at straws. And problem might and the problem is they might not anything can draw not find anything. So i can draw a parallel the story a parallel between the story i covered for atv with on covered actually for atv with on tony and whether not tony blair, and whether or not he his son leo blair he had his son leo blair inoculated against mmr. Right. I stuck with that day in, day out, literally day in, day out for weeks, and i could never copper bottom it now and this this morning the programme was running every morning day one no answer on leo. Day two no answer on leo. Day three. It went on for hundreds of days, and no one ever found out whether that child was inoculated. Now i child was inoculated. Now i doubt that he was inoculated at 13 months. I think it was probably near a four years old by the time he had the injection. Direct injection. But theres a direct parallel once you know parallel here that once you know youre position you youre in a position that you can hold not say can hold on and not Say Something like blairs and Something Like the blairs and like starmer, whatever you like keir starmer, whatever you think handling hes think of his handling it, hes hes not saying anything and hes not saying anything and hes keep his mouth hes going to keep his mouth shut. Hes going to keep his mouth shut. And other hand of shut. And on the other hand of that youve got the mail that axis, youve got the mail on sunday. Who will give up. On sunday. Who will not give up. Well look, does this okay. Well look, does this story matter . Is it important . Let me know your thoughts. Gb news. Com forward slash your say , coming up next in the big story another crisis for rishi sunak as disgraced tory mp mark menzies resigns from the party and stands down at the next election. Ill get reaction from a top westminster insider thats next. With more Unanswered Questions for Angela Rayner, i think it matters. That was the topic of my big opinion. Matters. That was the topic of my big opinion. Well, a strong my big opinion. Well, a strong reaction gbnews. Com forward slash. Your essay coming in thick and fast. How about this . Yes, this issue 100 matters, says jenny. This is about honesty and integrity and its about rayner. Hypocrisy its an offence to register to vote at an address that you do not live at. Of course i should say, jenny, that, Angela Rayner denies that allegation, megan says, mark, the point is that labour wants to raise taxes for all sorts of social projects , all sorts of social projects, yet rayner cant even pay for her own earpods. And last but her own earpods. And last but not least, at this stage, simon. Good evening simon. Simon says, hi mark. Of course, the rayner story is important. It goes to the heart of hers and sir flip flop integrity, both of which are in serious doubt. Well, keep are in serious doubt. Well, keep those opinions coming. Gbnews. Com forward slash your say and its time now for the big story and another major headache for rishi sunak as mark menzies, the mp facing allegations of misusing campaign funds, has quit the conservative party today and says he wont stand at the next general election. This announcement follows claims reported by the Times Newspaper earlier this week that menzies had used political donations to cover significant medical expenses and to pay off so called bad people who had reportedly locked him in a flat and demanded thousands of pounds for his release. The backbench mp for fylde in lancashire disputes the allegations, but was suspended from the tory party in parliament, whilst an investigation took place. Well, its a massive story. Lets get reaction from the Political Editor of the daily express online, david maddox. David rishi sunak must be sat there in his office in number 10, thinking why do i bother . Thinking why do i bother . Youve got to feel sorry for him sometimes. Actually, i have to say hes really been dealt a bad hand. So in some respects i mean this on the on the hot on the heels of a William Wragg scandal as well another lancashire mp, where actually the conservative party are facing a real, real fight to hold on to the seats. Theyve got up there in the nonh theyve got up there in the north west, its a, its an under underplayed story. But, you know, i wrote about mark on, on friday, not long after the times allegations broke. And, you know, its a sad story for me. I remember mark back in 2010, i was in new journalist in the lobby working for the scotsman at the time. He was, scotsman at the time. He was, elected in that may election. He was on their a list. He was seen as a future star. He was one of the, only seven, the newly elected ones immediately put onto the kind of junior ministerial rung of pps whos going to be, you know , seem to going to be, you know, seem to be kind of flying high. I knew very well, in fact, the funny thing was that the scottish labour guys were getting quite wound up about this working class scot from the west of scotland and, you know, trying to get him to, join them at some point, you know, saying , you point, you know, saying, you know, youve got to come back to me, come back to the fold. But you know, clearly its all gone wrong. Hes never done more than pbs. This is not the first set of allegations hes faced , of allegations hes faced, ehhen of allegations hes faced, either. And, you know, you just wonder in the back of his mind, you know, he gave up a very, very successful career in retail to switch into politics all those years back. He must be he must be wondering if really it was worth it in the end. But, this is this is a big problem, though, for sunak. And its not just about mark menzies. Its not just about William Wragg. It really goes way back to the, problems of selection in the conservative party, which continue to this day. And im, you know, im kind of interested what Michael Cricks going to think about this as well, because doing some because hes been doing some great the party great work on the party selections, and, you know, theres something badly wrong with the selection process, especially in the conservative party. Most definitely. Well, Michael Crick is chomping at the bit to attack that story, and well be doing so at 1030 with tomorrows papers. David, are tomorrows papers. David, are these scandals a uniquely concern problem . Are the tories institutionally sleazy . Institutionally sleazy . No theyre not. I mean , no theyre not. I mean, theres plenty of really good mps, some really good people there. And, you know, i deal with them every day , and there with them every day, and there are, you know, there are labour mp , there have been snp mps and mp, there have been snp mps and there have been liberal democrats in my time in parliament caught up in these sorts of issues. The problem is its a dual problem. It comes down to the, faulty selection process, which i think richard tice funny enough, has been really put his finger on it, earlier today i saw him say, you know, theyre going after mediocre people who are not going to challenge them, and theyre not really, properly testing these people. Theyre testing these people. Theyre not really going for the best people at all. And its, you know, but but theres a problem as well with parliament itself, i think. And when these individuals go off the rails, theres no support network. Theres no way really to kind of keep them on, on track. And it goes very badly wrong. And its not a conservative problem alone. Its it affects all the main parties. There are wronguns of all political colours in the house of commons. And as you said, many good mps too, from all parties. In fact, the vast majority , i think, work very majority, i think, work very hard and do a good job. Im sure youd bear that out, david, listen, clocks against us. I want to power through a couple of other quick questions whilst ive got you, first all, can ive got you, first of all, can we about dowden, we talk about oliver dowden, the deputy Prime Minister, who . Its been reported , wants the pm to been reported, wants the pm to go to the country in the summer. Whats your reading of the situation . Situation . I think i think theres some truth in it , i think i think theres some truth in it, im not sure if its oliver or or just other people in downing street who is listening to this argument came up earlier in the year when he was being pressured to go for may the 2nd. Now, again, i ran a story a while back saying that they were going to press the button on that and go for may the 2nd, have a general election on the same day as the local elections, and it was only a last minute threat from a whole load of tory mps saying, well put in letters and have a leadership contest if you try this, but stopped it now, that may well happen again. If i try a summer election , because a summer election, because frankly, the same problem is going to happen. They are miles behind in the polls. Theyre going to get less than 100 seats unless something dramatically changes and we put that in context. Thats one, you know , context. Thats one, you know, that is, half of their very worst, historic result in 1906 or 1997. Theyve had two. And when they got 150 odd and its going to be much, much worse than that. If they go early, theyve got to hope something comes along and they need to buy themselves time. And, i suspect if goes for a summer if it goes for a summer election, its going to cause him all sorts of problems. Him all sorts of problems. It is. Finally, david. Kitchen time for the tories kitchen sink time for the tories. So is the political equivalent of the kitchen sink. Those flights to rwanda . Flights to rwanda . I think it is, i think its a flights to rwanda. I have to get back to work , if i dont, it back to work, if i dont, it will be an enormous political failure. And i think thats why failure. And i think thats why the lords are trying to stop it from the bill, from going through. I think theres a definite political game being played there , but he also needs played there, but he also needs one more. In my view, it says you need one more kind of fiscal event, we say, which is basically a version of the budget, and he needs to go and cut some taxes because otherwise theres literally nothing for theres literally nothing for the tory mps to knock the doors on, about, in whenever the election is. David, before we go, youre in the news and actually, youre about to have your own fiscal event because youve just been headhunted by one of the great brands in fleet street. Youre brands in fleet street. Youre leaving the daily express, where youve been a brilliant Political Editor online. Whats your news . Where are you going . Your news . Where are you going . So im going to be independent, as a 1st of may. Its, the day before the local elections. Its, nicely timed, elections. Its, nicely timed, its going to be a bit of a change, a change of scene, change, a change of scene, change of politics. But it was time for me to move on. Ive had eight and a half fantastic years at the express , and ive express at the express, and ive express as the original brexit paper. We got brexit done in my time. We made sure it happened and now its made sure it happened and now wsfime made sure it happened and now its time for a change. And, kind of fresh perspective, well, listen, i love reading the express , but ive got to say, i express, but ive got to say, i cant wait to see your stuff in the independent as well. The independent is a great paper, very balanced. And youll be starting the beginning of starting at the beginning of march. So really good with march. So really good luck with the next time we the new job. And next time we speak, will be political speak, you will be the Political Editor independent editor of the independent newspaper. Congratulations, david. Another free david. Next up, yet another free speech row in higher education. As you wont as its revealed you wont believe this story. An Exeter University student , just a Young University student, just a young boy doing his degree, was threatened with expulsion after being overheard through his bedroom wall saying that veganism is wrong and gender fluidity is stupid. By the way, i agree with both of those things. Well, one exeter professor who wants to push back on this madness joins me live. Thats right. Were going to Exeter University next to hear ill be dealing with prince harry at 10 00. In no Uncertain Terms. You wont want to miss it. He is very worried about donald trump becoming president. Find out why at ten, the mail on sunday newspaper have today revealed that a philosophy student overheard through the wall of his bedroom saying veganism is wrong and gender fluidity is stupid , was fluidity is stupid, was threatened with expulsion by his university , Robert Ivinson said university, Robert Ivinson said he was disciplined after a student next door in his halls of residence at Exeter University heard the comments and then complained that hed been offensive and transphobic. Mr ivinson, who expressed the views in a phone call to a friend, was hauled before University Officials and put on a behavioural contract for the rest of his studies. He was warned he could be expelled if the university thought hed done anything else and told by anything else wrong, and told by letter he had been found guilty of harassment. Let me just repeat those two things, he said that veganism is wrong and that gender fluidity is nonsense or silly. Lets get reaction from someone at Exeter University, senior lecturer in philosophy and free speech campaigner doctor edward skidelsky. Doctor doctor edward skidelsky. Doctor skidelsky, thank you so much for joining us on the show. This has happened on your campus. Its a brilliant university. Exeter brilliant university. Exeter uni. What is your reaction . Uni. What is your reaction . Well, i was, a tutor of robs, in 2018 and he actually came to me with this story not long after it happened. And i long after it happened. And i was i was shocked, i had thought that Something Like this couldnt happen in england, a supposedly free, democratic country. And it was really this incident more than anything else, that prompted me to set up what later became the committee for Academic Freedom to campaign for Academic Freedom to campaign for free speech on british universities. Well indeed, let me reiterate that Exeter University is a venerable Academic Institution with a long history, an incredible campus. Its massive, its hugely oversubscribed. Youve got to oversubscribed. Youve got to get a star. Star times 100 to get a star. Star times 100 to get in, but what about this idea that these comments were overheard from this young mans private bedroom and then reported to the authorities . Whats your appraisal of the student that did that . I think its extraordinary , i think its extraordinary, you know, when i was growing up, eavesdropping was considered a bad thing to do. And then snitching on someone was considered to be even worse. But i think its now seen as part of being a good citizen, a good ally, theres been a real shift in the culture, and so i think its , its awful that she did its, its awful that she did it, but its even worse that the university took the complaint seriously and pursued it. Seriously and pursued it. Do you have any idea then, as you said, you know this chap, but what hes been through personally. Personally. Yeah, he, it was extremely distressing for him. I urged him at the time to challenge it, to go public with it. He said no, he just wanted to lie low and forget all about it. And its only now, five years later, that hes finally, you know, to his credit, decided to go public with it. To go public with it. Now, weve approached Exeter University for comment. We await a response , as i said, its a a response, as i said, its a good university, but are you concerned about the culture at exeter . I mean, do you think this kind of witch hunt is ongoing . Ongoing . I think things have got better actually, since then , i better actually, since then, i mean, by the way, this is an exceptional case. Things like this dont happen all the time, but they do happen and they shouldnt really happen at all. I think whats happened is that weve become very oversensitive to , causing offence, you know, to, causing offence, you know, we think that students need to be protected against views that might possibly cause them distress or mental harm , where distress or mental harm, where of course, thats not the point of course, thats not the point of being at university at all. You should be exposed to views that strongly disagree with, you should be exposed to views that that strongly disagree with, you should be exposed to views that that may gly disagree with, you should be exposed to views that that may upsetsagree with, you should be exposed to views that that may upset you. E with, and that may upset you. Well, indeed, universities should be a place where you debate ideas. You go in with an open mind. But its a concern, open mind. But its a concern, isnt it . A lot of universities in the grip of this so called woke culture, or extreme political correctness, where you have to subscribe to a set of often controversial beliefs like gender ideology or critical race theory. Now these ideas may be valid, but they shouldnt be obligatory , should they . Obligatory, should they . No. Absolutely not. There should be no obligatory views in a university or anywhere else , a university or anywhere else, everything should be up for debate. Of course. I do think universities have a right to regulate offensive speech. I regulate offensive speech. I mean, people insulting each other, but nothing that rob did in his room was remotely offensive. The fact that someone chose to be offended by it is a completely different matter. Completely different matter. Anyone can be offended by anything if theyre sensitive enough. Well, i doubt the enough. Yeah well, i doubt the vegans complained. Barely got the theyve barely got the energy. Bring in my top energy. Lets bring in my top pundits. Us if you pundits. Do stay with us if you can. Edward. Im delighted to have tv news legend Michael Crick , the brilliant journalist crick, the brilliant journalist and, fantastic Communications Adviser, linda jubilee and lord Kulveer Ranger kulveer your reaction to this . Did you go to university . Kulveer i did go to university . Kulveer i did go to university and im glad the walls of the halls i were in, which were built probably in the 40s or 50s. Well, the thing is, im wondering what we would have heard through the walls of your dormitory. Its words, dormitory. I doubt its words, but mainly but just sounds kulveer mainly of probably. But just sounds kulveer mainly of probably. Mark, but just sounds kulveer mainly of probably. Mark, i was but just sounds kulveer mainly of probably. Mark, i was spent probably. Mark, i was spent time sleeping in my room and a bit of time in the library, but i think the issue here is the culture. What kind of culture says that people can dob on people by listening at their private conversation, not in the same room as them not being addressed directly, so they could take specific offence by whatever was being said. But overhearing. And i think that is overhearing. And i think that is something to be quite concerned about , is a something to be quite concerned about, is a light way of putting it. And then also the university reinforce that behaviour behaviour by punishing the individual involved. And i think individual involved. And i think that also set a tone that that is acceptable. The acceptability is acceptable. The acceptability of saying, yes, you can listen to someones private conversation through a wall, dobbed them in and they will get take the rap for it. So i hear that Exeter University may have changed its position on this, or maybe we look to hear what their comment will be, but that is concerning in any environment. If thats happening, people listening at doors and looking to find things that people might or might not be saying, and then basically holding them to account to it in the court of pubuc account to it in the court of Public Opinion, linda, ive got no doubt that a course on edwards philosophy degree is worth every penny. But you have to wonder why young people are getting themselves in debt in order to live under 3 or 4 years of intellectual tyranny. Of intellectual tyranny. Its extraordinary. Its like something out of a franz kafka novel. This whole idea of people being spied upon this way during a time of life when i think everyones saying they should be, they exposed to views. Our guest was saying we should be exposed to different views, exposed to different views, exposed to different cultures, and we should be able to take these in the spirit of which theyre intended. We shouldnt be clamping down on things. Its be clamping down on things. Its almost irrelevant that its veganism or whatever. Yeah, veganism or whatever. Yeah, youre coming out with a view. Youre underpinning it, presumably, and you should be allowed to say it. The second issue is that no one should be listening at walls and listening at doors so that they can snitch on you to the authorities. Im really, really surprised that Exeter University, you know, its a Russell Group university really highly thought of handled the whole matter in this way. The whole matter in this way. Its extraordinary that this young man was put through this. Young man was put through this. And the University Authorities did not think to handle it in a, in a better, more appropriate way. Way. Okay. I mean, Michael Crick, youve probably got 3 or 4 degrees, perhaps this student was deeply offended. We dont know the full details of the case. Other remarks may have been overheard, which were profoundly disturbing. Why profoundly disturbing. Why shouldnt she complain . Her safety is a factor too. Safety is a factor too. Well, she shes got shes entitled to complain, i suppose, but the university were utterly stupid in the response as described that they delivered. Fortunately, theres a new vice chancellor now, so its. And chancellor now, so its. And its all five years ago. But, you know, universities are in deep, deep trouble right now. Deep financial trouble. Its i think its only going to be a matter of months before some universities start going bankrupt, because the student fee hasnt gone up for nearly ten years. Theyre increasingly dependent on foreign students. The universities need a Public Opinion on their side to persuade whoever is the next party in government that the universities need help from that government. And if they do stupid things like this, and weve seen other cases like at sussex university, they are not going to win over Public Opinion. It may well be that the students at exeter, because they are of a different generation , are of a different generation, feel this was perfectly justified. Its justified. I dont know, its quite possible, but i think the general public will be horrified how. Now. Absolutely. Look, were absolutely. Look, were waiting to hear back from the university exeter. I do know university of exeter. I do know that their Pastoral Care is second to and ive got no second to none. And ive got no doubt that when they heard this complaint, their complaint, they were doing their very best address the very best to address the complaint to follow due complaint made and to follow due process. Im sure they tried their best to handle the situation , although it appears situation, although it appears to have backfired, at on to have backfired, at least on the it. Doctor the face of it. Doctor skidelsky, you the closing skidelsky, you get the closing thoughts. Can you tell me a bit thoughts. Can you tell me a bit about your campaign and how people can find more . More people can find out more . More about goals . About your aims and goals . Yes. Were so were the committee for Academic Freedom , committee for Academic Freedom, we set up last year. We aim to highlight, abuses and threats to freedom in uk universities, we run a regular , blog, we make run a regular, blog, we make regular podcasts, including one with rob evenson , the student in with rob evenson, the student in this particular case, do look us up , sign our principles. If up, sign our principles. If youre a uk academic , were youre a uk academic, were completely non partisan. We report on threats from both the right and the left, this needs emphasis now, when, you know, everyone thinks that, free speech is an evil right wing plot, were not, so please support us. Thats right. Just google the committee for Academic Freedom , and all of Academic Freedom, and all of that treasure trove of excellent work will appear on your laptop. Doctor skidelsky, thank you so much for your time. I look forward to catching up in the near future. More power to you. Thank you. Mark. Okay folks , thank you. Mark. Okay folks, lots more to get through. Dont forget, ill be dealing with prince harry in no Uncertain Terms at 10 00 and its a lively one, let me tell you. But next up, my mark meets guest. Its a very special guy, too. He is the very special guy, too. He is the late, great Queen Elizabeth ii favourite royal photographer. Favourite royal photographer. Elizabeth would have been 98 today and will celebrate the great lady next. Plus, let me tell you, weve been conducting an exclusive mark dolan tonight peoples poll. Weve been asking if he wins the us president ial election. Should donald election. Should donald trump deport back to deport prince harry back to britain . The results are in. Britain . The results are in. I britain . The results are in. Next. Mark dolan tonight is all about your feedback. Weve been running an exclusive peoples poll. Weve been asking if he wins the us president ial election. Should donald trump deport prince harry back to britain . The results are britain . While the results are in. And 55. 7 say no , but a in. And 55. 7 say no, but a whacking 44. 3 say yes, send him home. Well, let me tell you, trump versus harry is the topic of my take at ten. At 10 00, its lively. You wont want to miss it. First, mark meets. Today is april the 21st, which sees the birthday of the late great Queen Elizabeth the second, who would have turned 98 today if she were still with us today if she were still with us to remember a truly remarkable monarch and a remarkable lady. Im delighted to welcome royal photographer and writer ian lloyd, who covered more than 500 of the queens engagements. Having written a best seller about Prince Philip called the duke his latest offering is simply entitled the queen, says 70 chapters in the life of elizabeth the second by ian lloyd. Welcome to mark dolan lloyd. Welcome to mark dolan tonight. Any excuse to talk to you. Its great to have you any excuse to talk about that amazing lady. Your reflections on the queens birthday. What on the queens birthday. What are your lingering memories of elizabeth . Elizabeth . Well, so many, i mean, for a start, if she was around, she wouldnt be celebrating. She hated her birthday. She was unlike her mum. The queen mother absolutely milked it. She had a great, fantastic birthday every august when the whole country seemed to descend on london, and she made an appearance several appearances over the day. She absolutely adored it. The queen absolutely adored it. The queen hated that kind of thing. She tried to avoid it, and when she had an 80th and a 90th birthday at windsor, they had to sort of encourage her to sort of make it larger. She just said, oh, ill just an appearance. They just make an appearance. They said, just go said, well, cant you just go around streets a bit sort of around the streets a bit sort of thing, she was very, very reluctant to celebrate she reluctant to celebrate it. She was person, and was a very modest person, and i think she was a very i always thought she was a very ordinary person an extraordinary person in an extraordinary situation, not situation, you know, but not like a mother. Course, she like a mother. Of course, she was an in your book, you write about fact that, yes, she about the fact that, yes, she was amazingly frugal and quite a mimic well. Mimic as well. Tell me more. Tell me more. Well, she could yeah, mimic a lot of people. I mean, the sad thing is, i mean, she was she was such a private person. There was such a private person. There was two sides to the public side and then the private side. And was two sides to the public side and great the private side. And was two sides to the public side and great thingivate side. And was two sides to the public side and great thingivate dont and was two sides to the public side and great thingivate dont know the great thing is we dont know anything about the anything really about the private we have to rely private side. So we have to rely on a few sources. But she on a few sources. Yeah, but she was a apparently very good was a apparently a very good mimic. Mimic mimic or mimic. She could mimic mimic or she known to mimic boris she was known to mimic boris yeltsin. Kinnock , concord. Yeltsin. Neil kinnock, concord. Concord. Taking off the dean of windsor said she did a good job because she was on concord. Ian paisley. She did. And, oddly , paisley. She did. And, oddly, her own sister, princess margaret. Because the funny thing is, the queen, as she got older, went a bit more estuary. She went less, you know, sort of formal. Princess went formal. Princess margaret went a bit plummy as she got bit more plummy as she got older. Queen would older. So the queen would imitate sister. Then, imitate her sister. And then, famously, the famously, she imitated the cockney woman the queen was cockney woman who the queen was driving gates of driving into the gates of buckingham this buckingham palace. And this woman aint like woman said, oh, she aint like her pictures, she . The her pictures, is she . And the queen heard and thought queen heard that and thought that know, that was really funny, you know, listen, written about her listen, youve written about her in new book. In this lovely new book. A royal writer, but you are a royal writer, but you were a photographer of the royals some have said royals as well. Some have said that you were her favourite snappen that you were her favourite snapper. No. Is that not true . Absolute rubbish. I mean, she the great thing with the queen is she was totally inscrutable. She never said who was her, you know, favourite artist . Favourite biographer, whatever it was, this is a story of her, going to see a documentary. One of a royal documentary, and she had to see a preview to sort of. Okay it. And then afterwards they said, you like to they said, would you like to stay mom said, oh, yes, stay for tea . Mom said, oh, yes, i think have a cup of tea. I think ill have a cup of tea. Thatll lovely. And, thatll be lovely. And, they afterwards the director said to her secretary, do her private secretary, what do you liked it. And he you think she liked it. And he said, well, she must done, said, well, she must have done, because stayed me. Because she stayed for me. I mean, would never say she mean, she would never say she liked but very she liked it, but the very fact she stayed away stayed and didnt rush away suggested and stayed and didnt rush away sugge how and stayed and didnt rush away sugge how she and stayed and didnt rush away sugge how she was. And stayed and didnt rush away sugge how she was. I and stayed and didnt rush away sugge how she was. I mean, if thats how she was. I mean, if when she ever she unveiled a painting herself, she never painting of herself, she never said, a wonderful said, oh, what a wonderful painting. Left the painting. She always left the artist hanging thinking, you know, done a good job . Artist hanging thinking, you knotknow, done a good job . Artist hanging thinking, you knotknow, one one a good job . Artist hanging thinking, you knotknow, one artist good job . Artist hanging thinking, you knotknow, one artist toldi job . Artist hanging thinking, you knotknow, one artist told me . You know, one artist told me that he her and she just that he painted her and she just looked and said, that looked at it and said, that would make stamp. And, would make a good stamp. And, you was the best he you know, that was the best he could get out her. Could get out of her. Damning faint praise, damning with faint praise, she counsel very wise. She kept her counsel very wise. Did like having her did she like having her photograph taken . She photograph taken . Was she a comfortable , i wouldnt comfortable subject, i wouldnt say so. A mother ive again noted queen mum, but, the queen, she enjoyed it. She, she didnt really, like, feel at ease with the press. She once, stopped me in windsor. Shows that the royal windsor horse show and i had this massive camera with big lens , and it was lying on the lens, and it was lying on the grass, and she pulled up in this , land rover in front of me, and she youd better move that she said, youd better move that lens, because to run lens, because id hate to run over which seemed to imply lens, because id hate to run over shed1ich seemed to imply lens, because id hate to run over shed quite eemed to imply lens, because id hate to run over shed quite liked to imply lens, because id hate to run over shed quite like to to imply lens, because id hate to run over shed quite like to runnply that shed quite like to run over it. But, you know , she just over it. But, you know, she just endured the press, you know, and particularly in the 80s and 90s, it got very silly with all the diana things. And every time, you they were at you know, they were at sandringham balmoral, sandringham and balmoral, thered hanging around sandringham and balmoral, th into a room. What did she mean by that . What did she mean by that . What did she mean by that . She said, i get enormously impressed when she walked into a room , because the thing is, with room, because the thing is, with the queen, she she had impact. I mean, you never got tired of seeing her. She was one of those people that could, you know, generate an atmosphere, back in the 80s, the photographers of the 80s, the photographers of the day all had to think of an adjective to sum up each member of the royal family, and you know, queen mother was a darling and that. The the and all that. But the queen, the word awesome. And she really word was awesome. And she really was awesome. You got full awe was awesome. You got full of awe when walked a room. Was awesome. You got full of awe whe|her walked a room. Was awesome. You got full of awe whe|her at alked a room. Was awesome. You got full of awe whe|her at a. Ked a room. Was awesome. You got full of awe whe|her at a press a room. Was awesome. You got full of awe whe|her at a press receptionl. Met her at a press reception when she went russia and, all when she went to russia and, all the fleet street the legendary fleet street reporters and photographers of the day covered that trip, and we got to meet her at this reception. And i remember we were told to line up outside , were told to line up outside, and looked my shoulder and i looked over my shoulder and i looked over my shoulder and people like, know, and these people like, you know, anne leslie the mail anne leslie from the daily mail and that, there was and people like that, there was and people like that, there was a about 50 of them. And a queue of about 50 of them. And i looked over and everybody had a queue of about 50 of them. And i locmorphed and everybody had a queue of about 50 of them. And i locmorphed backeverybody had a queue of about 50 of them. And i locmorphed back into body had a queue of about 50 of them. And i locmorphed back into being|ad had morphed back into being little kids school, know, little kids at school, you know, can imagine little kids at school, you know, canlet imagine little kids at school, you know, canlet meiagine little kids at school, you know, canlet me let ne little kids at school, you know, canlet me let me the book let me let me plug the book in. Is called the queen 70 in. It is called the queen 70 chapters the of chapters in the life of elizabeth ii. Its out now. Ian, do come back and talk royal stuff with us in the future. Next up in my take at ten, prince harry. See you in two. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good evening. Welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. So after a drier end to the weekend for many of us today, it looks like change is on the way. An area of low pressure out to the pressure situated out to the north the uk, brings some north of the uk, brings some weak systems will weak frontal systems that will slowly sink way slowly sink their way southwards, particularly into the working the start of the new working week. Of high week. And that area of High Pressure pushes pressure weve seen pushes away towards. So towards the northwest. So a cloudy to day much cloudy end to the day for much of eastern and northern of eastern scotland and Northern England that rain continues england as that rain continues to its way southwards to sink its way southwards overnight. A cloudy overnight. So quite a cloudy picture, the board picture, quite across the board into of monday into the early hours of monday morning. South eastern parts morning. But south eastern parts of holding to of england Still Holding on to some skies. 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Following his lurid confessions of drug use , the confessions of drug use, the duke of sussex is praying that joe biden is re elected in november. Because if donald trump returns to the white house, prince harry could be deported to britain. Is sir keir starmer right to say that labour are now the party of patriotism . And why are universities turning their backs on Saint Georges day . Ill be asking. Tonights newsmaker, Ann Widdecombe. Plus, newsmaker, Ann Widdecombe. Plus, in a mark dolan tonight exclusive , give the leading exclusive, give the leading travel firm who have gone against the advice of the government, to offer british muslims Package Holidays in iraq, iran and afghanistan. Ill be unearthing that scandal in the last word before 11. So a packed show. Lots to get through. Prince harry versus donald trump. Thats in two minutes time. But first, the News Headlines and sophia wenzler. Wenzler. Thanks, mark. Good evening. Im sophia wenzler in the gb news room. Your top story mark menzies has announced his resignation from the tory party, saying he wont be standing at the next election. The fylde mp was suspended following claims he used political donations to cover medical expenses and pay off bad people who had locked him in a flat. He disputes the allegations following an investigation, the conservative party says it cant conclude there was a misuse of funds, but said there was a pattern of behaviour that falls below the standards expected of mps. Now standards expected of mps. Now the mayor of london, sadiq khan, will meet met commissioner sir mark rowley tomorrow to discuss community relations. It comes as sir mark rowley is facing calls to quit over his handling of pro palestinian protests , with pro palestinian protests, with the former home secretary, Suella Braverman suggesting hes emboldened anti semites. The campaign against anti semitism is also calling for sir mark to resign or be sacked, after its chief executive was described as openly jewish by an officer. The met police have now responded in a statement, saying the assistant commissioner has written to gideon falter to offer a private meeting to apologise. A decision by the us apologise. A decision by the us to approve £49 billion of aid for ukraine has been welcomed by the uk, with the foreign secretary describing it as a vital step forwards after months of wrangling, american politicians ended a deadlock, agreeing to provide a package which will also help replenish weapons and munitions. Us weapons and munitions. Us president zelenskyy says the move will keep the war from expanding and will save thousands of lives. It now heads thousands of lives. It now heads to the senate, which is expected to the senate, which is expected to pass the bill in the next few days and a record 50,000 people ran the London Marathon today. Complete the 26. 2 mile route they started just after 10 am. This morning, the event raising millions of pounds for charities. Our very own gb news Political Editor, chris hope, was one of the many who crossed the finishing line today. Well, ive done it. I got round 26. 2 miles, five hours, eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. Eight minutes, but slower than normal for me. I had a very sore left hip at some point that was really hard. But heres the proof. Heres the medal. Thats why you do this. These kind of things raise, i think, over £7,000 for scope. Ill check on it online later. Its a great cause. Its moving. Its exhausting and its well worth the effort. And if youre mad, like me, want to try and run it . And for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its back to. Mark. Well done. Chopper barely broke a sweat. And thank you to broke a sweat. And thank you to sophia wenzler, who returns in an hours time. Welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight is sir keir starmer right to say that labour are now the party of patriotism . And why are universities turning their backs on Saint Georges day . Ill be asking. Tonights newsmaker, Ann Widdecombe. Plus, in a mark dolan tonight exclusive, you wont believe this story. The wont believe this story. The leading travel firm who have gone against government advice to offer british muslims Package Holidays in iraq, iran and afghanistan. Plus, reacting to afghanistan. Plus, reacting to the big stories of the day, my top pundits this evening talk about pedigree linda jubilee call var ranger and Michael Crick. Plus, theyll be reacting crick. Plus, theyll be reacting to tomorrows front pages are packed. Our Ann Widdecombe is waiting in the wings. Shes not waiting in the wings. Shes not happy. But first, my take at ten. There are lots of people praying for a joe Biden Victory in november. Champagne socialist hollywood celebrities, a sizeable portion of the us media and most notably , King Charless and most notably, King Charless youngest son, prince harry. Why why . Well, because if the establishment nemesis donald trump prevails in november, prince harry could be thrown out of the country. The sussexes business model, which is to make their lives a commodity, to sell their lives a commodity, to sell their privacy to the highest bidder and to make oversharing an industry is coming back to bite them on the royal bottom there was the outrageous Oprah Winfrey interview, in which they effectively accused harrys family of racism. There was the podcast in which harry criticised his fathers parenting skills and even the peerless princess catherine has been characterised as a less than Perfect Sister in law by sources close to the sussexes. Sources close to the sussexes. And, most egregiously, there was that rotten book spare 300 pages of self indulgence, self aggrandisement and self pity. In the book, Queen Camilla was described figuratively as dangerous and a villain. The details of a fight between harry and his brother william, which should have stayed in those four walls, became a global story. Harry he risked the safety of former military colleagues and his own family by boasting that he killed several taliban fighters. The book may have been called spare, but could easily have been called tmi. Too much information, as every detail of his life, every innermost thought, every private conversation was handed to the publishers in exchange for a bag of gold. Just like that. Like i curtsied as though i was like. Pleasure to meet you, your majesty. Like, was that okay . Majesty. Like, was that okay . Do you remember that debacle . Harry has made millions from shows like that. That, of course, was the Netflix Series in which Meghan Markle mocked Queen Elizabeth. This guy has made a fortune. From chat, show appearances, podcasts and that best selling book. But it has come, come at a huge price. Once the most popular royal in the country, hes now jostling with his uncle andrew at the bottom of the Windsor League table. He has saddened his father , enraged has saddened his father, enraged his brother and doubtless gave his brother and doubtless gave his late grandmother sleepless nights as she wondered what might be in that book and whether it would damage the family and the monarchy to which she devoted her life. Its a hell of a thing to sell your family down the river. Your blood relatives, their bloody angry. And who could blame them . In his latest insult to king charles, harry appears to have deliberately set the date at which he became a us resident. As the same day he was turfed out of Frogmore Cottage and with his status as an american resident now confirmed , his resident now confirmed, his divorce from his country of birth is complete. So the birth is complete. So the charming prince and the beautiful princess harry and meghan live happily ever after in their 16 bedroom ivory tower in their 16 bedroom ivory tower in montecito , california. Or do in montecito, california. Or do they . Because it is one of the less controversial revelations in the book spare that could ultimately do for the young prince in full oversharing mode. Prince in full oversharing mode. Perhaps keen to give his publishers some bang for their buck, he needlessly revealed his significant drug use. But were significant drug use. But were such revelations of drug use given when he applied for a visa to live in the united states, being someone who has used drugs in the past is enough to see a us visa application swiftly cancelled. So annoying and cancelled. So annoying and upsetting his family and his country of birth could be the least of harrys worries. Donald least of harrys worries. Donald trump has said that if he wins the white house in november, prince harry is on his own and wont get any help on trumps. Trumps watch. Prince harry trumps watch. Prince harry could see his visa revoked, which would likely see him return to the United Kingdom with his tail between his legs, which is why the outcome of the us elections is critical for the prodigal prince. This quote from my pal tony parsons, writing in his excellent column in todays sun on sunday, puts it brilliantly. Tony parsons writes a joe biden adviser asserted that under no circumstances would his administration ever deport the prince, no matter what fibs or omissions may have been on that visa application. Been on that visa application. Then he goes on to write trump makes no such promise, so harry must hope it is sleepy joe and not demented don who wins in november. Oh too not demented don who wins in november. Oh too right. Donald trump has made it a key election pledge to tackle the illegal border crossings in america. Well, if he wins later this yean well, if he wins later this year, he might be sending one particularly well heeled and famous migrants back to his country of origin. In. Forget country of origin. In. Forget about. Stop the boats, stop harry and meghan. Could they be returning to the uk with their royal tails between their legs . Or get to your thoughts shortly . Gbnews. Com forward slash your say. But first tonights top pundits. Im delighted to welcome journalist and author Michael Crick, Communications Advisor and broadcaster linda jubilee and conservative peer in the house of lords. Kulveer rangen the house of lords. Kulveer ranger. Well there you go, linda jubilee. Prince harry is feeling the heat and hes brought this on himself. Yeah , i think he does bring yeah, i think he does bring things upon himself. I just dont think he exercises enough judgement in most matters, and certainly not this matter. Ive read the book spare , i must say, read the book spare, i must say, for i mean, im a former royal correspondent many years ago on today newspaper. And when you read the book, its almost like theres a kind of little story on every page, because royal correspondents exist on tiny crumbs in order to make a story. So i think the books really, really interesting , but i so i think the books really, really interesting, but i think thats where it stops. He and meghan cannot continue forever to make something out of their , to make something out of their, their, their, their past history, their lives. They need to get into the real world and start doing a real job and producing real documentaries. And i dont think meghans latest set up in her sort of riviera la orchard or whatever its called, is going to really cut the mustard once they get down to some real work. I think well be starting to make some progress on how the public views them. Them. Michael crick much ado about nothing. I think it is, actually. Its what i call a candyfloss story , what i call a candyfloss story, a lot of ifs in it. It would be astonishing hypocrisy for donald trump, whos facing how many different kinds of criminal charges right now, to, expel, prince harry for a confession to something he did many years ago and, you know, effectively expel his wife , who is american on all his wife, who is american on all counts. So this isnt going to happen. And if it does, please dont come back to britain. Why dont come back to britain. Why dont they go and live , in dont they go and live, in a remote part of new zealand, along with liz truss . Along with liz truss . Michael, can i say one thing, though . You are. I think youll agree, an egalitarian. So why should they be different rules for royals than ordinary members of the public . Because if youve found to have misled the authorities in a visa application and youre an ordinary person , youre out on ordinary person, youre out on your ear. Well, is that true . I mean, i cannot believe that everybody, who has ever taken drugs is always automatically expelled from the united states. And im sure there are. Well paid and very expensive lawyers in america who would successfully argue the contrary case. Im all for treating everybody equally. And if it is the case that everybody who ever confesses to any, taking any drugs in the past is automatically expelled from the united states, which i say i find surprising. If that is the case, then i suppose logic dictates that harry should be but i. I just dont be expelled. But i. I just dont believe itll ever happen. Kulveer ranger in the podcasts, in the Netflix Series and in the books , prince harry and in the books, prince harry is entitled to give his side of the story, and many would argue he was very courageous in revealing his issues with drugs, and he certainly doesnt make the case for being a drug user in spare. No, he doesnt. Look, i used to be and still have a bit of a soft spot for harry. As a nation, we used to have a. Obviously everything thats happenedin obviously everything thats happened in the last few years is has dented that damage that that of this that view of we had of this cheeky chappy, that halo of red hair slipped. It absolutely hair has slipped. It absolutely has. Become , is has. But what hes become, is a content producer in this modern parlance of, you know, what we need to have . And ive got this strange feeling that if donald trump looks at prince harry, he might see something familiar, because almost everything donald trump now does becomes content. It becomes blockbuster. You it becomes blockbuster. You know, whether its a court case, whether its wrongdoings, whether its wrongdoings, whether its wrongdoings, whether its you know, cases against him, allegations. Theres doesnt theres nothing that doesnt become content for the trump machine. And its sort of the machine. And its sort of the model that meghan and harry are pursuing. Their everything in pursuing. Their everything in their life becomes content production. So maybe there would be a meeting of minds here. What hollywood is all about now is content. And if that makes dollar bills and everything else, then maybe theyll be on the same page. The same page. Oh well, speaking of content, coming is sir keir starmer coming up, is sir keir starmer right to say that labour are now the party of patriotism . And why are universities and a lot of institutions turning their backs on Saint Georges day, which is this week . Ill be asking tonights newsmaker , ann tonights newsmaker, Ann Widdecombe. And let me tell you, anns not happy. Plus, the papers are on way. See welcome back to the show. Its a very busy on the feedback front. Let me tell you the way you communicate with the show is very different now. It is called gbnews. Com forward slash. Your say heaven help us if harry returns to britain says basel. Returns to britain says basel. Especially if hes expelled from america. I hope he chooses to go to new zealand. That is as far away as possible. Okay. Brilliant stuff, keep that , keep brilliant stuff, keep that, keep that, email feedback coming. But lets talk about the leader of the opposition now are likely next Prime Minister sir keir starmer, who has been writing in todays sunday telegraph, he said that the conservatives have lost any right to call themselves a Patriotic Party by writing in the paper, he said the tories dont care if division weakens our nation, if it strengthens their grip on power. They have denigrated some of our proudest national institutions. Well. He goes on institutions. Well. He goes on to argue that labour are now the party of patriotism. Is he right . Lets ask the vigorously patriotic former government minister and broadcaster Ann Widdecombe, an hour labour, now the party of patriotism . No. And if you read that article, i mean, any sane person would just laugh out loud. I mean, one of the criteria that he applies is he says that its unpatriotic. Its unpatriotic. If you denigrate the big national institutions, then he quotes to, the bbc and the national trust. Now, you know, and apparently if you criticise those, youre being unpatriotic. Now that is the most incredible nonsense. And then he goes to on say, that everybody cries, woken that this is undermining free speech. I that this is undermining free speech. I mean, the reason that people oppose woke is because it Undermines Free speech. I mean, it is the most ludicrous article. It looks as if it wasnt even written by an intern, because no intern would turn out to rubbish as that. And if that is Keir Starmers own work, i mean, heaven help , and work, i mean, heaven help, and keir starmer is clearly trying to lovebomb disgrace old tory voters by writing about patriotism in the telegraph. Will it work . Will it work . No. Theres only one truly Patriotic Party in this country at the moment, and thats reform. And reform isnt afraid to say that its patriotic and that theres nothing wrong with patriotism , and reform is the patriotism, and reform is the only one and is still really trying seriously to save the union, so and i noticed one of the things that keir starmer said was, oh, you know, the tories have weakened the union. Well, what exactly is his contribution be . And where does the patriotism come into it, if, as he did, he wanted to stay with europe, he wanted us to be continued to be dominated and dictated to by a foreign power. The mans absolutely loony. If he thinks thats patriotism. He thinks thats patriotism. Well, of course, keir starmer will argue that he will protect the union by destroying the snp at the next election. But of course, and youre entitled to your view. Course, and youre entitled to your view. Id like to course, and youre entitled to your view. Id like to move on, your view. Id like to move on, to go on, go on. Ann, not just scotland, is it . Mark . Have you ever heard of Northern Ireland . Most definitely in a very, very fair point indeed. Many, many viewers and listeners in Northern Ireland that watch the show emails all the show and i get emails all the time now the telegraph and time now an the telegraph and the mail are reporting that a traditional Saint Georges Day Celebration has been axed at Magdalen College, oxford, for the second year in a row. You attended Lady Margaret hall college in oxford yourself. Why does the world of academia seem so ashamed of being english . Well, i mean, on this, in this, on this occasion , its this, on this occasion, its Magdalen College. Its not the whole of oxford university, but i rather suspect that if you did a survey, you would find there were more maldons than there were more maldons than there were others. Quite honestly. And i when you ask me why , it is i when you ask me why, it is exactly the same answer as , you exactly the same answer as, you know, the long march through the institutions and the institutional leftism that now dominates our Academic Institutions. And it does. It institutions. And it does. It does. I institutions. And it does. It does. I mean, they are almost automatically left wing, you try being a normal patriotic person saying , you know, that you like saying, you know, that you like saint george, you want to celebrate saint george , you want celebrate saint george, you want to sing the national anthem, and theyll you being far theyll accuse you of being far right now. Well, its a shocking, shocking state of affairs, isnt it . And the whole point is that we love the United Kingdom, but its important if youre in england to love england, too , england to love england, too, because it is patriotism and a love of your country that binds our communities together. Yes. I mean, i have to say, i always think of myself as a uk citizen. If somebody says , where citizen. If somebody says, where are you from . I say, the uk, and i do, you know, the union jack, after all, is, you know , a unity after all, is, you know, a unity of nations. So i think its important that we dont lose sight of that. But yes, of course. Oh, no. I mean, look at how the irish celebrate Saint Patricks day. And im talking aboutin patricks day. And im talking about in the north as well as in the south, you know, you the south, and, you know, you wear leeks on saint davids day in wales. Whats the matter with it . You know, theres nothing wrong with that. And theres it . You know, theres nothing wrong v1wrong. T. And theres it . You know, theres nothing wrong viwrong. Similarly, res it . You know, theres nothing wrong viwrong. Similarly, with nothing wrong. Similarly, with waving a Saint Georges flag. And why doesnt england love itself . England is one of the greatest nations in history. Itself . England is one of the greatest nations in history. And greatest nations in history. And i say that as the son of irish immigrants , as i think britain immigrants, as i think britain has for many decades now, theres nothing new about this , theres nothing new about this, just talked itself down. Always always talked itself down. Look at the way were apologising for empire. When you think of some of the things that empire actually achieved, we never hear about that. Only about about that. We only hear about what perceive as the what people perceive as the downside, and so we talk ourselves down and we should actually talk ourselves up. And i was rather hoping that post brexit, thats exactly what we would start to do. And its worth pointing out that in one of the most Successful Schools in this country , the michaela in in this country, the michaela in london, which is by london, which is run by Katharine Birbalsingh , they sing Katharine Birbalsingh, they sing the national anthem. There worth remembering that most definitely. Youve got to love your country. That is how you bring people together. That is how you have a successful nation. Look at the people of ukraine an examples are legion of communities that stick together and prevail. Now ann, lets oh, by the way, can i just a quick note on Magdalen College in cambridge, ive got no doubt they would say that they are fiercely patriotic themselves. It Great College and it is a Great College and a great english university. And they will be waving saint they will be waving the Saint Georges flag. Theyll be flying the georges on their the Saint Georges flag on their beautiful buildings on tuesday, so theres no issues there. And can i finish with a shocking story in scotland and a prison governor . Thats right. An a prison governor has apologised to a double rapist called isla bryson after the trans sex offender complained about being misgendered. Now, bryson was misgendered. Now, bryson was originally named adam graham and was convicted of raping two women. But prior to his transitioning , and youre transitioning, and youre furious about this . What do you have to say . Have to say . Well, if you actually remember, there was originally there was a proposal that she should actually go to a womens prison. Yeah, whereas i think prison. Yeah, whereas i think its still a he , and hes its still a he, and hes a rapist. Most definitely. If you were still at the home office and pfisons still at the home office and prisons minister , we can but prisons minister, we can but dream, how would you handle this . How would you handle this case if it was presented to you at your desk . At your desk . Well, as far as im concerned, you know, you dont put rapists in a womens prison, so thats the first thing. So it would never have been any question in my mind about putting isla bryson, in a womens prison , and secondly, womens prison, and secondly, there are two genders. There are not 142 genders, and im afraid i probably would say to the governor, look, you know, you are dealing here with a rapist. Dont apologise for tripping. Dont apologise for tripping. And thank you so much. Of course, the prisons management would argue that they have to follow certain rules and regulations in regard to how people identify what their pronouns might be, which would explain the apology, they simply want to acknowledge that the world is a changing place. But i think, of course, its a place thats losing its mind. And i think we agree on that one. I look forward to catching up in a weeks time. Have a good one. My thanks former government thanks to former government minister widdecombe. Thanks to former government mintomorrowsiddecombe. Thanks to former government mintomorrows papers nbe. Full up, tomorrows papers and full pundh. Up, tomorrows papers and full pundit. Weve been pundit reaction. But weve been asking special mark asking you in a special mark dolan tonight peoples poll is sir keir starmer right that labouris sir keir starmer right that labour is now the party of patriotism. The results are in i shall reveal all next. Well, in another mark dolan tonight peoples poll, weve been asking, is sir keir starmer right to say that labour is now the party of patriotism . Well, its a landslide, but not the right kind. 5. 9 say yes, whilst 94. 1 say no. The people have spoken. 94. 1 say no. The people have spoken. Well, its 1030. So spoken. Well, its 1030. So harry, lets do that thing. Let me tell you, the team have been over delivering today. Weve got harry, weve got mezhgan, weve got, greg, and im got, the brilliant greg, and im delighted to say jack as well. Dream team, the Sun Newspaper is the first front page exclusive of ladd waugh. Russia hacks brit of ladd waugh. Russia hacks brit hole jets. British holiday flights are being deliberately jammed by russia, with aviation sources branding the tactic extremely dangerous. The electronic attacks force planes to swerve and dive to avoid bogus obstacles. Vladimir putins forces are suspected of being behind thousands of recent incidents involving ba and ryanair jets. Okay, next up, where should we go . Harry . Weve got the guardian now. Pm faces calls to put afghan concession in rwanda. Bill rishi sunak is under pressure to make last minute concessions today to secure the passage of his rwanda deportation bill by allowing exemptions for afghans who served alongside uk forces. Menzies quits tories after internal inquiry and us aid vote shows the west will not abandon kyiv. Okay, next up, weve got kyiv. Okay, next up, weve got the daily mail. Kyiv. Okay, next up, weve got the daily mail. 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Youll get a shock if you go out tomorrow , a shock if you go out tomorrow, as chances are it wont be raining for a change. And some forecasters reckon it will stay that way. Way i should say, for a few days at least. So enjoy that dry weather. Okay, lets get full pundit reaction to the big stories of the day. Im delighted to have tv legend Michael Crick king of bbc newsnight, latterly channel 4 news and now gb news and many other platforms. Michael crick. Other platforms. Michael crick. We also have Communications Adviser and broadcaster fleet street veteran no less linda jubilee and conservative peer, former top adviser to Boris Johnson when he was popular and effective. Lord Kulveer Ranger. Okay folks , lots of stories to okay folks, lots of stories to sink our teeth into, and look, i want to have a look at this story in the sun. Linda jubilee story in the sun. Linda jubilee russia hacks british coal jets. Okay, now this would sound like a pretty trivial story. The idea is that, youve got a Ryanair Flight , easyjet, and the pilot flight, easyjet, and the pilot is swerving to avoid an imaginary threat. But this is a demonstration of just what a bad actor russia is, and what a threat to western interests. Great. And what could happen . I mean, the worst could happen. It could a jet could go down. Well, we there are suspicions that that has already happened in the past. Past. So theres nothing to say that it cant happen in the future. And its of the future. And its one of the things that i think is incredibly that we pay incredibly important that we Pay Attention itll attention to this, so itll be interesting to watch how this rolls out in the next few months. Kulveer is this an affirmation of what the americans have done in washington, which is to further support financially , or support ukraine financially, or is this a reminder that russia are a bad actor internationally and a threat to all western interests . Interests . Well, firstly, id want to say is i wouldnt want the general public to get too worried about this. If youre catching a flight tomorrow, you dont start worrying dont want to start worrying about could happen to your about what could happen to your plane. Yeah, we have been acutely aware russia acutely aware of russia and other other actors like that. Nonh other other actors like that. North koreas involvement in Cyber Espionage for quite a long time. We have some fantastic services. The National Cyber Security Centre in the uk and others internationally, working together to make sure we are protected from acts like this. But this is, as you say, mark, a sign of those actors upping their game, looking for further vulnerabilities, whether it be in aviation, whether it be in our energy systems, whether it be in other parts, that we could be in other parts, that we could be technically vulnerable to backdoors into our system. So we do have to be conscious of it. We do have to be aware of it. But governments are working and focused on this, on this activity. Indeed. Michael crick i viruses and computer hacking drones as and now this sort of assault on an aircraft. This is the new warfare, isnt it . It is cyber warfare. And you know, the threat has been around for a long time. I mean, what astonishes me actually is that there havent been more successful attacks this by now. And my great fear is there will come a point where everything goes down and we cant get money out, we cant get cash out, we cant pay for anything, and the russians and the chinese are developing all of this, and ive no doubt were developing it so that we can do it back to them. And, you know, lots of lots of chinese, lots of work. Lots chinese, lots of work. Yes. Lots of work on at gchq, on of work going on at gchq, on this front. Yeah. But its there is to come a, a really is going to come a, a really nasty attack one of these days and were to suddenly wake and were going to suddenly wake up that. It is new form of up to that. It is a new form of warfare that affects us all as citizens. I understand what youre saying, michael, but im not getting frightened. Yeah, getting too frightened. Yeah, because constant thing. Getting too frightened. Yeah, becaupanic. Constant thing. Getting too frightened. Yeah, becaupanic. Captainant thing. Getting too frightened. Yeah, becaupanic. Captain dont ng. Dont panic. Captain dont panic, this is panic, because this is a constant theme. And i constant theme. And look, i worked for business that, worked for a business that, helped protect Olympic Games helped protect the Olympic Games for the last 30 odd years, and its most attack sporting , its the most attack sporting, cyber attack sporting event in the you can see where the world. And you can see where the world. And you can see where the attacks from. You the attacks are coming from. You know, theyre doing. And know, what theyre doing. And so its trading of its a constant trading of tactical it wont happen tactical blows. It wont happen overnight. You know, we wont overnight. So you know, we wont wake up and suddenly everything theres gradual feed and theres a gradual drip feed and its a game of chess being its like a game of chess being played cyber world. Played out in the cyber world. And were always trying to stay one ahead. We must keep trying. Well, im glad of your confidence, but, know, confidence, but, you know, people confident, expressed people were confident, expressed similar about, you similar confidence about, you know, pandemic that know, the next pandemic that there wouldnt be. And suddenly there wouldnt be. And suddenly there was one which debilitated us in a huge way. Yeah. And this potentially could debilitate this much worse because would this much worse because we would end the Food Supplies not not end up the Food Supplies not not turning up. No. And if, if everything goes down, which would the kind of cyber would be the worst kind of cyber attack, just think of how reliant we are , on absolutely reliant we are, on absolutely Digital Technology and everything and how we are now a long way from the days when we all existed happily, with none of this stuff. Of this stuff. Michael crick after a long political wrangle , the us house political wrangle, the us house of representatives has passed a long delayed bill £49 billion in military aid to ukraine. Is this the right thing to do . Not everyone in washington agrees. I think its absolutely the right thing to do. I think its right thing to do. I think its wonderful news because the ukrainians were in deep trouble, because they didnt have the, the ammunition or the, the military hardware, and, you know, there were signs that the russians were, making progress. And the ukrainians were on the defensive. Its going to take a while for this to feed through, but we have to as the west, we cant just say, okay, well, well support you for 18 months, and now youre on your own. We have to by them. Have to stand by them. But this prolong the but does this prolong the agony . People think this agony . Many people think this war the size war is unwinnable given the size of russias military and its size country in relation to size as a country in relation to ukraine, we have to hold them off in ukraine, we as the west, indefinitely. Whats the timeline, if necessary, indefinitely. Because necessary, indefinitely. Because if they win in ukraine, then the next threat will be to the baltics, to poland and to the rest of europe. And what, of course, really worries me is, is if we have a Trump Presidency and hes made it clear that his commitment to ukraine is a lot less than bidens has been, and indeed his commitment to nato. I would agree with all of that and add that the foreign secretary , lord cameron, has secretary, lord cameron, has been doing a decent job as well, making sure that people and in the us recognise the damage that is being done to, to the Russian Forces , the amount of the forces, the amount of the russian fleet that is currently sitting at the bottom of the black sea. I think ten, 20 has been damaged, cost ratio, been damaged, the cost ratio, the cost to the russian economy of this war is of continuing this war is significant. Russia has has had to turn into a war economy. Nato has not. We are still in very single low figure digits of the percentage of the budgets that were using to fight this war. But as mike says, we are in this war for the long tum. We have to stand shoulder to shoulder with ukraine. This is an existential crisis for the west. If russia thinks can succeed for all thinks it can succeed for all the things michael said and where they next, most where they might go next, most definitely. Definitely. Yvette cooper. Writing in the telegraph evening , Yvette Cooper. Writing in the telegraph evening, linda telegraph this evening, linda jubilee says labour will stop the small boats. Do you think anyone could take that sentiment seriously . Do you think that laboun seriously . Do you think that labour, who are likely going to be our next government, will do more to tackle illegal immigration . Thats laughable, isnt it, really, when you actually think about it . I mean, if the conservative government is having a great deal of having such a great deal of trouble stopping the boats, why would labour be able to do a more effective job . Why would Michael Crick do you think labour could do a betterjob . Is that a convincing headline from Yvette Cooper . From Yvette Cooper . Labour will stop the boats totally unconvincing unless labour theyve labour got some policy theyve not that not announced yet. That is somehow going to somehow miraculously going to make difficult to make a difference. Difficult to know two know what that is. The two things theyve is things theyve said so far is theyre to stop criminal theyre going to stop criminal gangs. Yeah. Likely story. Good luck how exactly . And luck with that. How exactly . And second, they argue they will my street. They they argue that a more more european cooperation. Now you know labour traditionally more sympathetic to the eu. Anti brexit on the whole, so maybe our European Partners will be more sympathetic to a labour government, but i doubt whether that will make a huge amount of two phrases. Two phrases are just those two phrases are just that. Theyre phrases. That. Theyre just phrases. Theres nothing underpinning that. Theyre just phrases. There ivething underpinning that. Theyre just phrases. There ive spoken|derpinning that. Theyre just phrases. There ive spoken to rpinning that. Theyre just phrases. There ive spoken to seniorg them. Ive spoken to Senior Police tell me it Police Officers who tell me it is almost impossible to tackle these at source, these these guns at source, these gangs at source. So how is anyone, how in the Labour Party Going to stop these boats . The going to stop these boats . The only chance weve got is if this bill goes through, which i assume it will early this coming week. We could go down that week. Then we could go down that path. But even that might take kulveer. Kulveer. Rwanda is expensive. Its flawed. Its riddled with legal flawed. Its riddled with legal issues. But if those flights take off, does that move the dial politically for the pm . Yes it does. And were all heanng yes it does. And were all hearing the arguments that labour are and have been putting against the rwanda bill and all the other issues that the government is trying to crack down on legal immigration. But we arent hearing any solutions. And i think thats where, as michael said, unless Yvette Cooper starmer have cooper or sir keir starmer have something sleeve that something up their sleeve that they really should have shared with government and the with the government and the British Public. Now, because we have to deal with this. But they argue this has happened tories watch, happened on the tories watch, and tories have made and that the tories have made a horlicks of this they will horlicks of this and they will stop boats. Stop the boats. Think the issue has well, i think the issue has been more political than has been more political than it has been more political than it has been about the tories been about process the tories have been putting, the government has been putting a process saying what we process saying this is what we want been the want to do, and its been the politics has been holding politics that has been holding this i know hear this up. And i know you hear this up. And i know you hear this that the of this line that the house of lords is stopping. Its not the house its the house of lords, its the opposition and the crossbenchers house of lords, its the opthe tion and the crossbenchers house of lords, its the opthe house|d the crossbenchers house of lords, its the opthe house|d 1lords, ssbenchers house of lords, its the opthe house|d 1lords, theenchers in the house of lords, the government benches. Theyre raising well, theyre raising very, very. Very valid concerns. Owens. Yeah, go on. Owens. Yeah, go on. I think that if there and if i think that if there is some amendment that accommodates the Afghan People who supported the army and the British Embassy officials, if something was done to actually support those people and to support those people and to support that amendment, i think the bill just goes straight. I hear that, i hear that comment. But the other one, which about having an which is about having an independent panel or body that could whether could eventually ratify whether your rwanda is a safe country, this is just this is against the diffusion of political to diffusion of political power to unelected, people unelected, unaccountable people to make a decision that the British Public wants those two. But even if the flights take off in june or july , the numbers off in june or july, the numbers off in june or july, the numbers of people on those flights will be tiny. When youve got 40,000 people a year roughly coming across in boats, you need a to deport a significant , probably deport a significant, probably at least a third or even a half. And for that to act as a deterrent, the estimate is that it it is a estimate is that it will take 25 years. Its only 100. How is that a deterrent . But its a deterrent that says that starts that process says that it starts that process of busting the, the marketing that these illegal because they say people, if you get across say to people, if you get across this border legally, youll be youll be britain. Youll be in britain. Wait a minute. Ive worked ive with ive worked ive worked with ive worked with , ive worked with with afghans, ive worked with asylum worked asylum seekers, ive worked with evacuees, ive worked with refugees. I will tell you now refugees. I will tell you now conclusively these people conclusively that these people have told me this will not be a deterrent. The numbers are too deterrent. The numbers are too small. Thats me listening to them. Not me repeating brit school. The only thing ill say is that the home office have done many reports and looked at other countries have applied this countries that have applied this exact worked. Exact process and it has worked. Michael, last word. Exact process and it has worked. Micwell, last word. Exact process and it has worked. Micwell, it last word. Exact process and it has worked. Micwell, it seems last word. Exact process and it has worked. Micwell, it seems to last word. Exact process and it has worked. Micwell, it seems to me word. Exact process and it has worked. Micwell, it seems to me ifrord. Well, it seems to me if youre only doing it to deport 1 or most, most potential or 2, most, most potential migrants across the migrants coming across the channel ill take that channel say, ill take that chance. Is it wild . Does the keir starmer to say that ask rwanda plan . That hell ask the rwanda plan . Even it works, it is rather even if it works, it is rather if the rwanda plan was to work and we could be confident that rwanda was a safe country. Why would you i would i would endorse im not endorse it, but im not confident a safe country endorse it, but im not coanm|t a safe country endorse it, but im not coanm not a safe country endorse it, but im not coanm not confident untry endorse it, but im not coanm not confident itlly and im not confident itll work. Okay, here you go. Listen , nothing to unpick listen, nothing to unpick there. We dont sit the there. We dont sit on the fence. Do we . Not on mark dolan tonight. Well, listen, lots more to let me tell you. Weve to come. Let me tell you. Weve got pages, including got more front pages, including the times in the express plus in a mark dolan tonight exclusive, the leading travel firm who have gone against the governments advice to offer british muslims Package Holidays in iraq, iran and afghanistan. Ill be exposing that scandal. Next. A quick look at tomorrows front pages before a mark dolan tonight exclusive. And weve got the Times Newspaper. Tonight exclusive. And weve got the Times Newspaper. Voters put the Times Newspaper. Voters put police in the dock. Majority of brits dont trust officers to solve crimes. Brits dont trust officers to solve crimes. Daily brits dont trust officers to solve crimes. Daily express. Solve crimes. Daily express. Now, i think. And stop meddling. Now, i think. And stop meddling. Pm warns labour it must pass the rwanda bill. Next up, weve got the mirror and exclusive labour leaders vow to gather for stephen. Keir starmer has vowed to honour Stephen Lawrences legacy by ensuring all children get a chance to reach their full potential in life. Telegraph now pm, refuses to back under fire met chief and mod hands out free cigarettes to ukrainian troops training in the uk and Foreign Office went against the rwanda plan as the other headline. Okay plan as the other headline. Okay folks, lots of front pages there, but we need to get to a mark dolan exclusive. We can reveal that a travel company is advertising to british muslims for holidays in places like iraq, iran and taliban governed afghanistan. The tours are offered despite the uk government warning of all travel to these destinations is a bad idea for afghanistan. Foreign Office Advice reads as follows. Office advice reads as follows. You should not travel to afghanistan. The security situation is volatile. Travel through afghanistan is extremely dangerous and border crossings may not be open. There is a heightened risk of British Nationals being detained in afghanistan. If youre british afghanistan. If youre a British National detained in national and youre detained in afghanistan, you could be facing months imprisonment. Months or years of imprisonment. And the chos ability to help you extremely limited, and you is extremely limited, and support in person is not possible in afghanistan. Now, weve approached the travel agency for comment several times since thursday, but as yet, no response. Now fiyaz mughal, who was the governments anti Muslim Hatred tsar appointed by michael gove last month but withdrawing after being targeted by extremist s, has expressed concerns about the advertisements of this travel firm. He told my producers that travellers could potentially be kidnapped, threatened or exposed to extreme rhetoric. Well, im delighted to say that fiyaz mughal joins me now. Mr mughal, thank you very much for appearing on mark dolan tonight. This is not a package tour to tenerife or torremolinos, is it . No, it certainly isnt, and how bizarre is this, package set of package tours . I mean, taking individuals into the heart of areas where there are extremist groups and extremist rhetoric as if its a little tour around torremolinos is, frankly , a joke. Is, frankly, a joke. How did you unearth this , how did you unearth this, actually, its interesting because i had, subscribed to this very firm around andalusian tours. So a lovely little andalusian history tour. And then suddenly i got this little pinging saying, you know, we have package tours to afghanistan. At which point i thought, my god , is this a joke . Thought, my god, is this a joke . And it clearly wasnt a joke, but really quite perverse, but its really quite perverse, given the nature extremism given the nature of extremism and some of the issues clearly around the taliban and its extremist rhetoric. Its a very troubling indeed. And there is no evidence that the travel agency involved has a sinister motive. They do trips to europe as well. So what is the problem . Well, i think the problem is probably the fact that, there because there is some kind of heritage and cultural background, clearly in afghanistan, that they think its now is the time to take british muslims over. Well, clearly theyve got that and judged this very wrongly. Now is not the time until the taliban are in power. Nobody vie, no british muslim, no british individual should enter afghanistan. Mark, you know, lets not forget the taliban killed our soldiers. The taliban were the people we were fighting for two decades. The taliban, take islam, which is a im a muslim myself , a take islam take islam, which is a im a muslim myself, a take islam and make it the most brutal form of repression for women, minorities and any other people in their country. They who dont country. They who dont subscribe to their view of their religious fundamentalism , these religious fundamentalism, these are brutal individuals. Mr mugabe , lets bring in my mr mugabe, lets bring in my top pundits tonight. Lord kulveer, ranger linda jubilee and Michael Crick. And the issue, my concern, mr mughal , is issue, my concern, mr mughal, is that its not only the safety of brits abroad possible kidnapping, brainwashing, you name it. Its also an issue of National Security at home. Thats right. It absolutely is an issue of National Security. Just imagine somebody who has sympathies to the taliban going over and making connections. Lets also say just imagine they go in that environment and become influenced by individuals or told to carry money back for certain things. This is a National Issue around our safety, sovereignty and security. And nobody should be entering afghanistan. Only a few seconds left. Only a few seconds left. Michael, cricket is very lucky that fiyaz mughal has unearthed this. This. Yeah, it would be interesting to see what the travel agency say, and it may be, i suppose, that there might be parts of some of the countries that theyre doing these tours that are more safe than others. But on the, on the other side, the cost to to the us as a state is potentially great. Not only is if something goes wrong, people in the Foreign Office have got to get them out. That could then involve political deals. Maybe us having to make concessions of one kind or another. All sorts of problems. Of problems. A couple of seconds left kulveer briefly if you can. Hugely challenging yeah, hugely challenging issue, this has to addressed. Issue, this has to be addressed. I think we have to look at the guidance is clear. Its dangerous to go there. You shouldnt there. So shouldnt be going there. So really see whats really weve got to see whats this travel agency. Mad that allowed briefly. Absolutely. As far as i know, there are diplomatic there are no real diplomatic relationships being built with the with taliban to start the with the taliban to start with. Lets not forget, with. And lets not forget, this is country than is a country where less than three years people three years ago, people were selling kidneys to raise selling their kidneys to raise money to feed their children. Extraordinary. Thats where were. Were going. Fiyaz mughal. Please join fiyaz mughal. Do please join us the future. And us again in the future. And thank much unearthing thank you so much for unearthing this thanks thank you so much for unearthing this to thanks thank you so much for unearthing this to the thanks thank you so much for unearthing this to the governmentsanks thank you so much for unearthing this to the governments former there to the governments former anti muslim hate tsar fiyaz mughal thanks to my brilliant punst mughal thanks to my brilliant pundits tonight, always Great Company and most importantly for you at home, watching on telly, listening on radio. Im back listening on the radio. Im back on eight. Headliners on friday at eight. Headliners is next. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good evening. Welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. So after a drier end to the weekend for many of us today, it looks like change is on the way. An area of low pressure out to the pressure situated out to the north uk, brings north of the uk, brings some weak systems that weak frontal systems that will slowly way slowly sink their way southwards, particularly slowly sink their way sou� startds, particularly slowly sink their way sou� start of particularly slowly sink their way sou� start of the ticularly slowly sink their way sou� start of the new arly slowly sink their way sou� start of the new working the start of the new working week. Area of high week. And that area of High Pressure weve pushes away pressure weve seen pushes away towards so a towards the northwest. So a cloudy to the much cloudy end to the day for much of eastern scotland northern of eastern scotland and Northern England, of eastern scotland and northern en sinkd, of eastern scotland and northern en sink its way southwards to sink its way southwards overnight. So quite a cloudy picture, quite the board picture, quite across the board into early hours of monday into the early hours of monday morning. Eastern parts morning. But south eastern parts of holding on to of england Still Holding on to some clearer skies. And could some clearer skies. And we could even here, even see some frost here, although not as cold under although not quite as cold under all cloud and rain, all that cloud and rain, and particularly parts particularly across parts of scotland, up into scotland, holding up into the high single so cloudier high single figures. So cloudier start us on monday, start for many of us on monday, particularly compared to we particularly compared to what we saw weekend. And saw over the weekend. And this rain to spread rain continues to spread its way southwards monday. Southwards through monday. Daytime turning particularly southwards through monday. Daytimbut turning particularly southwards through monday. Daytim but definitely particularly southwards through monday. Daytim but definitely pagreylarly southwards through monday. Daytim but definitely pagrey and heavy, but definitely a grey and damp compared to the recent damp day compared to the recent couple days. Northern parts couple of days. Northern parts of probably seeing the of scotland probably seeing the best of the sunshine through the afternoon warm here afternoon and feeling warm here with or 15 degrees, with highs of 14 or 15 degrees, but feeling but definitely feeling much chillier much england chillier across much of england and under that cloud and wales, under all that cloud and wales, under all that cloud and that cloud and rain and rain that cloud and rain does eventually way does eventually clear its way towards southeast start towards the southeast to start on tuesday. There will be on tuesday. So there will be some spells, some brighter spells, particularly for the northern half. Plenty of half of the uk. Plenty of sunshine around through the morning, showers bubbling morning, 1 or 2 showers bubbling up afternoon, up through the afternoon, particularly north particularly along some north sea and staying sea coastal regions and staying quite the southeast quite cloudy in the southeast through afternoon. Further through the afternoon. Further showers way through showers on their way through wednesday but wednesday and thursday, but hints returning hints of low pressure returning as head towards the second as we head towards the second half week. Half of the week. Looks like things are heating up boilers as sponsors of up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story this hour. Mark menzies has announced his resignation from the tory party saying he wont be standing at the next election. The fylde mp was suspended following claims he used political donations to cover medical expenses and pay off bad people who had locked him in a flat. He disputes the allegation is following an investigation. The conservative party says it cant conclude there was a misuse of funds, but said there was a pattern of behaviour that fell below the standards expected of mps. The standards expected of mps. 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