Transcripts For GBN Martin 20240704

Trooper she is. And thats all coming up in your next hour. So coming up in your next hour. So welcome to the show. Its always a pleasure to have your company. Well, we are waiting a long time for this list of extremist organisations. Rishi sunak the other friday gave that emergency address. He talked about the menace of the far right of fascism , of neo nazis and fascism, of neo nazis and britain. And many of us said, well, who are these groups . What size do they represent . Whats their threat and who are they a threat to . Well that list came out today. Michael gove gave us a taster of five groups. More are expected to come in a few weeks time when the full list is published. Two of those groups were far right groups, one of them was disbanded in 1968. Imagine my surprise. The British National socialist movement hasnt existed for my entire life. What does that tell us about the state of the threat on our streets . Get in touch all the usual ways. Email me gb the usual ways. Email me gb views at gb news. Com but now, before all of that, its time for your latest News Headlines with sam francis. With sam francis. Martin, thanks very much. Good afternoon. From the gb newsroom. Itsjust good afternoon. From the gb newsroom. Its just gone 3 00. And as martin was mentioning there, michael gove has named some of the groups that are to be investigated under a new definition of extremism announced today, which he says will mean the government can express more clearly than ever who poses risk to britain. The who poses a risk to britain. The groups include the Muslim Association of britain , cage and association of britain, cage and mend, which are alleged to have islamist views , and the british islamist views, and the British National movement and patriotic alternative , which are described alternative, which are described as neo nazi. Todays extremism definition will be used to assess which groups should be blocked from public funding. But michael gove insists its not about silencing those with private or peaceful beliefs. Private or peaceful beliefs. We have to be clear eyed about the threat we face, precise about where that threat comes from and rigorous in defending our democracy. That means upholding freedom of expression, religion and belief when they are threatened, facing down harassment and hate, supporting the communities facing the greatest challenge from extremist activity, and ensuring this house and this country are safe, free and united. In response to Michael Goves statement this afternoon, some conservative backbenchers have suggested the new definition lands in no mans land, neither Strong Enough to tackle true extremists or protect opposing views. Labour leader sir keir starmer says there are new threats which must be tackled together. The debate about extremism has to be taken very, very seriously , because there hasnt seriously, because there hasnt really been a review of extremism now for a number of years. There are new threats and it is important, therefore, that we all come together to look at the question of extremism and what action is now needed. What i would say is that this will only work if it is truly cross party and not divisive. Cross party and not divisive. And thats the spirit in which i want to enter this discussion in relation to extremism. Relation to extremism. Some more political news thats come into us today. Mps salaries are set to rise to £91,000 a year, with a 5 just over 5 pay rise in april. The over 5 pay rise in april. The westminster watchdog that sets mps salaries confirmed that parliamentarians will get a boost of more than £4,700 to their basic salary. The their basic salary. The inflation busting 5. 5 hike footed by the taxpayer is above inflation, which is currently running at 4. Scotlands former Health Secretary has been found to have breached the code of conduct after an investigation into the almost £11,000 bill he racked up on a parliamentary ipad. Michael matheson quit his ipad. Michael matheson quit his role in the wake of the scandal over his data roaming charges, which he racked up while holidaying in morocco over christmas in 2022. He did later admit that his teenage sons had used the parliamentary device as a hotspot to watch football. Well, a full report into that spending is expected to be released in the coming months. A released in the coming months. A boy has admitted to killing 15 year old Elianne Andam near a school in croydon. She was school in croydon. She was stabbed to death after meeting friends on her way to school in september of last year. The 17 year old suspect, who cant be identified because of his age , identified because of his age, has pleaded guilty to manslaughter but denies murdering her. Hell face trial later this year. Russia has been accused of disrupting the gps signal on the defence secretarys plane en route to poland. The incident occurred as the raf jet flew close to the edge of kaliningrad. Gps navigation at the internet and the Internet Access was lost for around 30 minutes on that flight, but pilots have confirmed the aircraft was never at risk. The incident happened as grant shapps visited british troops participating in nato exercises in poland. Chinas exercises in poland. Chinas Foreign Ministry has criticised a plan in the us to force the owner of tiktok to sell the social media app. The bill, which was passed in bipartisan support yesterday, aims to address concerns over the chinese governments influence on the algorithm. Thats behind the video app, which is used by 170 Million People in the us. A spokesperson for chinas Foreign Ministry has described that plan, though, as unfair. Now, a British Airways concorde jet is returning to its home in new york today, though its travelling at a much slower pace than during its heyday. If youre watching on tv, you should be able to see here live pictures showing that its seen in new york, where the jet is being lifted off a barge just in that bottom left hand corner. There you can see the concorde jet hiding away as the camera turns for us. Its already made its journey up the hudson river, andifs its journey up the hudson river, and its now returning to the Intrepid Museum in manhattan. This afternoon , after a months this afternoon, after a months long restoration at the Brooklyn Navy yard. Well, the Supersonic Navy yard. Well, the supersonic flights were retired in 2003, andifs flights were retired in 2003, and its one of 17 planes that once flew from to london new york in just under two hours and 52 minutes, and something much slower now than that, as gardeners are grappling with slugs and snails, theyre being urged to make peace with the slippery garden grubs. The Royal Horticultural Society is partnering with the wildlife trusts to change the perception of the creepy crawlies. Theyve long been seen as gardeners, worst enemies , due to their worst enemies, due to their appetite for chomping through the leaves of prized blooms. But out of only around 150 species, just a few apparently pose threats to gardens. Experts say theyre actually an essential part of our ecosystem, feeding on rotting plants and recycling your nutrients back into the soil. Those are the latest soil. Those are the latest headlines. For more, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. But now its back to. Martin. Grace of now lets get stuck in. Weve got an action packed show ahead and we start with the governments long awaited clamp down on extremism and today, michael gove has named five groups, including three muslim organisations, that would be investigated over extremism fears. Well im joined now in the studio to chat over this by gb news Political Editor Christopher Hope and donna jones, whos the chairwoman of the association of police and crime commissioners. And she crime commissioners. And she really knows her onions. Chris, lets start with you. We have lets start with you. We have been waiting for this since rishi sunak did that emergency address you were you were there at downing street. Was broken on air. It was broken on air. It was broken on air. Then two broke during this show. What struck the show. And what struck me at the time this conflation of time was this conflation of a tangible, provable, very real islamist growing threat, booming anti semitism on streets of britain and then this far right threat. And we said at the time, okay, so what is the far right threat . What quantity is it . Who are the groups . Today we found out, and its fair to say it was a bit underwhelming. One of the organisations hasnt existed since 1968. Thats a British National movement, which was known as the British National socialist movement. They were socialist movement. They were dnven socialist movement. They were driven out of town by communist riots in london in the 1960s. The other one, patriotic alternative. But one of their alternative. But one of their mob was jailed for racist stickers last friday. So what im putting to you, chris, is how far did we get today in as far as identifying a tangible, provable threat to the public . Well, weve we have heard and afternoon, martin, we have heard havent we. The they have named five different groups, two from the far right, three from the left, the Muslim Association of britain, cage and mend, along with the alternative, along with the national British National socialist movement, which hasnt existed since the 60s. Theyll look at all those five, they will tell us and weigh up whether these are extremist or not, this is an attempt, i think , by the government to get ahead of what is a burgeoning problem since october the 7th. It may be that the issue with islamism has risen because of the crisis is dnven risen because of the crisis is driven the middle east at the driven by the middle east at the moment. And you have the moment. And you have got the issue palestinian issue with the palestinian marches. The issue marches. You have got the issue of and thats of hamas and jews. And thats what the centre of hamas and jews. And thats what is the centre of hamas and jews. And thats what is , the centre of hamas and jews. And thats what is , and the centre of hamas and jews. And thats what is , and lessthe centre of hamas and jews. And thats what is , and less sayingitre of hamas and jews. And thats what is , and less saying less point is, and less saying less about the far right at the moment. That may be on the moment. And that may be on the rise. We dont know the things that the mi5 rise. We dont know the things that the m15 and police know. We cant right now. But cant always know right now. But the is they trying to the point is they are trying to build this issue that that build on this issue that that this dividing britain this is dividing britain and tearing and theyre tearing us apart, and theyre trying and trying to get ahead of it, and i can why theyre can understand why theyre doing it. Its risky to name this this short 2 or 3 time. Short list in 2 or 3 weeks time. Well see the full list. I think by then you can whether by then you can judge whether youre right in saying its really it is a problem, a really it is a problem, not a far donald jones, im so okay, donald jones, im so happy you know happy youre in because you know what about. Youre what this is all about. Youre operationally ground. Operationally on the ground. Youre this. The youre across this. All the police in britain. Police forces in britain. Can i ask you , when we look at the ask you, when we look at the relative threats of the far right , the far left, islamism, right, the far left, islamism, wheres the hierarchy . Wheres the hierarchy . Okay, so in terms of the volume of crimes at the moment, we are seeing, you know, protesters and organisations who might be considered to be of the left of centre definitely are the ones who are committing more of the crimes and obviously the protests that are happening. I think what michael gove has done today is hes speaking out on behalf of the everyday man and woman country, the woman in this country, the moderate of britain, and moderate people of britain, and hes enoughs hes saying, you know, enoughs enough. Government need enough. The government need to have some of these have a stance on some of these extremes are happening in extremes that are happening in society. I think the society. And i think the reference to the far right, there has been a small increase in right behaviour. But in the far right behaviour. But let quantify this for let me just quantify this for you. The last 2 to 3 years, you. Over the last 2 to 3 years, in my own force, for example, i would there has been would say that there has been probably, around ten, ten incidents on the far right in my patch in hampshire in the isle of wight, around ten over the kind of what kind of things were they . Do you mind me asking, most lately, protests, in counteracting a pro palestinian protests, example, protests, for example, when they know going be know that theres going to be some perhaps, some people, perhaps, of an extreme there. Some people, perhaps, of an ext|so e there. Some people, perhaps, of an ext|so it there. Some people, perhaps, of an ext|so it wasnt there. Some people, perhaps, of an ext|so it wasnt likez. Some people, perhaps, of an ext|so it wasnt like attacks on so it wasnt like attacks on mosques or physical attacks in response to another protest. Okay. And theyve been largely peaceful and they havent been a huge problem, the volume of the protests that have happened, perhaps in the more moderate centre and to the left, clearly were seeing those happening much more frequently. I think the key thing here is that people have a right to freedom of speech. You even are. Its not to illegal have thoughts an extreme nature. Thoughts of an extreme nature. What government what the government are trying to here, not to say here, theyre not bringing legislation bringing in new legislation today. Gove today. What michael gove is clearly saying is that if you try insinuate or you try and try and insinuate or you try and encourage, i should say any kind of division , any kind of break of division, any kind of break up of community cohesion, if you are promoting or you are an organisation thats promoting hate crimes in britain today, its not right. Its got to stop. And clearly the government are concerned about extremes in society growing. Society growing. Okay, well lets have a quick listen to what michael gove said earlier at that announcement. Parliament, united in parliament, the United Kingdom is a Success Story. A multinational, multi ethnic, multi faith democracy stronger multi faith democracy stronger because multi faith democracy stronger because of our diversity , but because of our diversity, but our democracy and our values of inclusivity and tolerance are under challenged. Under challenged. So we hear that phrase a lot. Were stronger through our diversity, but we are becoming very divided and along lines of religion. Ostensibly but thats what this is about since october 7th, isnt it . This is an issue ostensibly correct. If im wrong, between , those who are wrong, between, those who are pro palestine and the jewish people, and then we have the hard left coming in, and as you said, the whole the far right, whatever you want to call them, counter protesting. And thats why were seeing an uplift generally. But on balance of generally. But on the balance of probabilities, the threat, the greatest threat is from where, i would say in terms of the volume of the of the two extremes, its coming from the left in terms of the volume , but what you tend to the volume, but what you tend to find, whilst they are much more infrequent in terms of the far right, they actually, can often be slightly more violent. But actually the volume of things that are going on are coming more from, from, i would say from left of centre and from the far left. But what we do have to remember lets just take, for remember is lets just take, for example, protests example, these protests in london weeks. These london every two weeks. These pro palestinian protests, okay, the , 99 of the the vast majority, 99 of the people that are there are lawful. They turn up with lawful intentions. Theyre exercising their right to freedom of speech , however, and its always the minority cause the problem minority that cause the problem and the minority who are from the on those protests. The far left on those protests. Every two weeks in london. They are the ones are are the ones that are potentially damaging this. For are the ones that are potoftially damaging this. For are the ones that are potof thoseiamaging this. For are the ones that are potof those lawfulng this. For are the ones that are potof those lawful people for are the ones that are potof those lawful people that are the ones that are potoit0|ose lawful people that are the ones that are potoito be lawful people that are the ones that are potoito be there ul people that are the ones that are potoito be there exercisingthat want to be there exercising their right ceasefire in their right to a ceasefire in gaza, lets say, just to be absolutely clear. Young british muslim so if a young british muslim lad on a wall memorial, lad clambers on a wall memorial, is that classified as a left wing crime, or is that something different, i mean, it depends on the context of it, but i would say no, i think that if you are chanting a hate slogan on a protest outside a mosque or, you know, youre saying from the river to the sea and you are chanting that when you know that there are jewish people around or in a way or its chanted in a way that is, you know, cause is, you know, due to cause youre intending to cause offence, of course, thats a hate crime, whether that would be deemed far left or youd be deemed far left or not, youd have speak to the police have to speak to the police about a and about that. Im a police and crime commissioner. Oversee crime commissioner. I oversee the policing the governance of policing and set strategy the policy set the strategy and the policy for but obviously, for my force. But obviously, thatis for my force. But obviously, that is an Operational Police officers call on whether or not that deemed to be a far that would be deemed to be a far left or not. Im extremely grateful for you setting this out because i just want some clarity, just think we want some clarity, though. People though. I think people just want clarity. W me how hard it is it shows to me how hard it is to the because to enforce the law, because weve had people air, havent weve had people on air, havent we, saying, why cant we, here saying, why cant the government take control of the policing . Police policing . Or why were the Police Standing those words were policing . Or why were the police staron|g those words were policing . Or why were the police staron on those words were policing . Or why were the police staron on the those words were policing . Or why were the police staron on the bigiose words were policing . Or why were the police staron on the big ben words were policing . Or why were the police staron on the big ben column . Re put on on the big ben column . You saw you saw the actual , you saw you saw the actual, projector martin were on projector martin and you were on twitter. Saying, why twitter. You were saying, why is it there . It there . Why the police not why is the police not throwing minutes on on throwing 14 minutes on on parliament on the green . Parliament square on the green . And to the and i actually went to the meeting 10 on the meeting at number 10 on the wednesday , chaired by wednesday afterwards, chaired by the of the Prime Minister. And of course, up in course, that came up in conversation. Why from conversation. Why was from the well, it. We dont know. Well, why was it. We dont know. Well, mean, it was there was well, i mean, it was there was no one manning it. It was up no one manning it. It was put up the grass. It the projector on the grass. It was projected for 14 was there. It projected for 14 minutes. Was removed . Minutes. Why was that removed . I went over said to the i went over and said to the coppers, theres the projector, go yeah. Go and go and nick them. Yeah. Had but. Had no interest, but. Wouldnt. Yeah. Why but why wouldnt. Yeah. Why didnt them. Didnt they nick them. Dont i think the well i dont i think the, the investigation is ongoing to investigation is ongoing as to who who pushed who put it there, who pushed the button, responsible button, who was responsible all button, who was responsible all but sorts. But of course those sorts. Well they could have found that theyd come that out if theyd come over with me because showed them with me because i showed them the had no interest the video. They had no interest on before we move on, we on it. Before we move on, we have to have a quick look at what about what sir keir starmer said about thislt what sir keir starmer said about thisit was right about extremism it was right about extremism has very, very has to be taken very, very seriously, because there hasnt really review of really been a review of extremism of extremism now for a number of years. Threats and years. There are new threats and it is important, therefore, that we all come together to look at the question of extremism and what action is now needed. What i would say is that this will only work if it is truly cross party and not divisive. Cross party and not divisive. And thats the spirit in which i want to enter this discussion in relation to extremism. Relation to extremism. And donald jones, you are nodding vociferously there at what sir keir starmer saying this only works if everybody buys into it. Well, look, i dont very often agree with sir keir starmer. A conservative. But starmer. Im a conservative. But actually on point hes actually on this point hes absolutely the money. It absolutely bang on the money. It has to be cross party. Any division not helpful. Division here is not helpful. And actually we saw amber rudd, sajid javid and priti patel. Three our four previous home three of our four previous home secretaries, joint secretaries, put out a joint statement yesterday saying just what starmer has said statement yesterday saying just thas starmer has said statement yesterday saying just thas to starmer has said statement yesterday saying just thas to be starmer has said statement yesterday saying just thas to be together. Has said statement yesterday saying just thas to be together. No; said it has to be together. No Political Division here. Lets get behind it. Hes absolutely right. We need for the safety right. We need it for the safety of britain. What fantastic hallelujah what a fantastic first guest been. Donald first guest youve been. Donald jones, please come back jones, please, please come back i will, do you reckon . That was just brilliant. Clarity. What well, clarity. Because what a lot of have been worrying lot of people have been worrying our and listeners is why our viewers and listeners is why cant the police enforce law cant the police enforce the law and describing trying cant the police enforce the law an describe describing trying cant the police enforce the law an describe descrhard trying cant the police enforce the law an describe descr hard that rying cant the police enforce the law an describe descrhard that can] to describe how hard that can be . Thats really be . And thats a really fascinating hearing from be . And thats a really fasci donald. Hearing from be . And thats a really fasci donald. Donald ring from be . And thats a really fasci donald. Donald greatom be . And thats a really fasci donald. Donald great stuff, you, donald. Donald great stuff, great stuff. Thank you very much. Love it. Thank you very much. Please in again. Please come in again. Great start the now spring is start to the show. Now spring is in and so is your chance in the air and so is your chance to win garden gadgets package, to win a garden gadgets package, a spree and an a shopping spree and an incredible £12,345 12345 tax free in moolah. Now heres how you could get your hands on all of that lot. Of that lot. Weve got cash, treats and a spnng weve got cash, treats and a spring shopping spree to be won in a Great British giveaway. You could win an amazing £12,345 in tax free cash. Plus theres a further £500 of shopping vouchers to spend at your favourite store. Well also give favourite store. Well also give you a gadget package to use in your garden this spring that includes a games console, a pizza and a portable, smart pizza oven and a portable, Smart Speaker listen to gb speaker so you can listen to gb news the go for another news on the go for another chance to win the vouchers. The treats and £12,345 in tax free cash. Treats and £12,345 in tax free cash. Text gb win to 84 902. Cash. Text gb win to 84 902. Text cost £2 plus one Standard Network rate message or post your name and number two gb gb03, p. O. Box 8690, your name and number two gb gb03, po. Box 8690, derby de19, double tee, uk only entrants must be 18 or over. Blinds close at 5 pm. On friday the 29th of march. Full terms and privacy nofice march. Full terms and Privacy Notice at gb news. Com forward slash win please check the closing time if watching or listening on demand. Good luck listening on demand. Good luck brazier of guests look in now grant shapps has given gb news an exclusive tv interview in which he said were living in more dangerous times, so why is our army now less than half the size it was in 1990. In fact, the Smallest Army since the napoleonic times. You couldnt make it up by Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel welcome back. Its 323. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. A cracking start to the show so far. And a little later this hour, ill discuss rishi sunak acas call to boost gas capacity and ill ask if the Prime Minister wants to do that. Then why are we hitting energy firms with massive windfall taxes and banging on about net zero . Now, in a moment well bring you tv exclusive with grant shapps. But first to with grant shapps. But first to the incredible story that russia has been accused of disrupting the satellite gps on the defence secretarys plane as he flew to poland yesterday and the plane was also carrying gb News Reporter ray addison. Now, its understood that gps signal was blocked for around 30 minutes as the raf jet flew close to the edge of kaliningrad, a russian enclave between lithuania and poland. Well, the flight lost gps navigation and Internet Access on the outbound bound, and the return journey well. Mr shapps was assured by pilots that the safety of the aircraft was never at risk. Well im now also joined by former labour defence minister bill rammell. Bill, welcome to the show. Bill, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show, bill. So is this, an act of hostility jamming the signals on raf jets carrying the Defence Sector . Its hardly cricket. Its hardly cricket. I mean, its very concerning. And, i think immediately we need to get to the bottom of exactly what happened and how it happened. Now, from the reports, it seems that the defence secretary and the journal journalist accompanying him were not at risk. But it is really, really concerning and underlines the degree of challenge and threat we face from russias military ambitions. Threat we face from russias military ambitions. And i think military ambitions. And i think there needs to be an investigation and identify why, you know, was it a mistake . Was it because the plane was flying close to the russian border or was it a deliberate attack . And if it is, then , then we need to if it is, then, then we need to respond very robustly. It might it been the case, bill, that this was like a blanket jamming device that they put out to any craft of unknown origin in the area, or something more nefarious , a more targeted, more nefarious, a more targeted, impacted, attack, if you like, upon a british raf jet carrying, as we just said, the defence minister. Well, the benign interpretation is that its a general jamming device that would hit all aircraft flying close to the russian border, but, you know, given the actions of the russians, you know, in a range of areas , you know, given range of areas, you know, given that theyve actually assassinated people, you go back to the salisbury poisoning, assassinated people in the uk. You really have to be concerned. You really have to be concerned. And thats why i think there needs to be a thorough going investigation to get to the bottom of it. And if it was a deliberate attack on the defence secretarys plane, we need secretarys plane, then we need to robustly. To respond very robustly. And, bill, in the days before the ukraine war, this may have been a huge diplomatic incident, but now putin is already, the kind of persona non grata of the western world. So will it make much difference between russian and british relationships . And british relationships . Well, i think the, the state of russia , its ambitions and the of russia, its ambitions and the threat that it presents is one of the most deeply concerning things, in the world in which we live at the moment. You know, when i was a defence minister, when i was a defence minister, when i was a defence minister, when i was a foreign minister, we had a dialogue, we had a relationship with the russians. But, know , over the but, you know, over the particularly the last 4 or 5 years, russia has moved in a really dangerous, direction. And you know, were talking on the day of the fraudulent russian president ial election, where, you know, putin is going to be a re elected, with probably 70 of the vote, and it is a fraud that, you know, theres no real candidates against him. You know, the governments , know, the governments, gerrymanders, the media ecosystem , and its really ecosystem, and its really worrying. And there needs to be a robust response from the whole international community, you know, one of the things im very worried about is Donald Trumps statements where he said that, you know , if nato countries you know, if nato countries arent committing to a certain level of defence expenditure and i want them to commit to those levels that hed say to the russians, well, go and get them. You know that kind of leadership in the within nato , would in the west within nato, would be really, really concerning. Okay. Thanks for your time. Always a pleasure. Former labour defence minister bill rammell on gb news there now, as promised to that interview now with grant shapps. And hes urged also donald trump not to abandon ukraine if he becomes us president again. And mr shapps president again. And mr shapps has also told our reporter, ray anderson, that we should increase spending on defence to 3. Well, look, i think its undeniably a more dangerous world. Weve got a war in europe, weve got a conflict in the middle east. Youve seen, the middle east. Youve seen, the uk, involved in the middle east with the houthis. So i think its important that we up our spending. We are committed to 2. 5. I note that labour, say theyre committed to the 2 figure thats already a £7 billion cut from where were up to now , so they are not the to now, so they are not the answer. And as you say, ive, ive rightly, i think, called for more money. I should just say that this budget actually has added 1. 8 in real terms to our defence budgets. Our defence budgets. And obviously putin has been gaining ground in ukraine. How much of a threat currently is russia and could you see the uk and other nato countries being forced into some kind of Armed Conflict . So i was over in ukraine last week. I met president zelenskyy. When i was there, i said, this is a wake up call for the world. Youve got some russian advances, as you say. Theyre not dramatic in truth, but nonetheless theyre consistent at the moment. It is very important and will cost us a lot less money if we understand that defeating russia and putin in, in ukraine is a lot less expensive than him moving further to the west, either to the rest of ukraine or worse still, to places like poland. So weve recently , announced so weve recently, announced the purchase of 14 new Chinook Helicopters , why do we need them helicopters, why do we need them there . Obviously, we know that theyve got extra features that theyve got extra features that the previous, fleet did not have. So what makes them different . What makes them better . Well, first of all, weve got a very good deal on them. I should say. Weve saved about £300 million on these. And, also got some other reforms in the purchasing system which will save lot of money in the save a lot of money in the future. So these have become future. So these have now become much better value. These 14 are extended range, Chinook Helicopters. Theyre the most capable heavy lift helicopters in the world. This particular version of it will enable us to do some very important work, not all of which im afraid i can talk about publicly. But it is important that we carry on modernising our armed forces. Just going looking in america now, obviously, president ial election is underway and donald trump is the republican presumptive nominee for that. Its possible he could be in the white house by 2025, and weve just heard from hungarian Prime Minister viktor orban, he met donald trump. He said that mr donald trump. He said that mr trump would not fund ukraine if he became president of the united states. Does concern united states. Does that concern you . What message would you send to donald trump . Well i think its actually really very straightforward. Theres one thing that donald trump definitely doesnt want to see its other leaders looking at the west coming to the conclusion in an america that it wont step up when it comes to it. And perhaps in 2 or 3 years, youll get sort of bored and disaffected and leave that battle behind and i think when it comes to things that trump himself says he really cares about, taiwan being an obvious example, clearest single example, the clearest single message send anyone message to send to anyone who thought the way thought that force was the way to reunify would be to abandon ukraine. We do currently have a real world crisis in the red sea people will understandably, perhaps, question why we havent seen an Aircraft Carrier there to conduct strikes on the houthis, rather than flying typhoons on 3000 mile bombing round trips from cyprus. What would you say to them . If i needed the Aircraft Carrier there, i would have sent it there. There was actually no it there. There was actually no logistical advantage in doing that, and the reality of the situation is that even when america went and bombed the iran augned america went and bombed the iran aligned militias the other week in syria and iraq, you know, where they flew those from, not from the Aircraft Carrier, which they did actually have in the red sea, but all the way from the united states, which is a heck of lot further than heck of a lot further than flying the typhoons from its base targets. Base to those targets. Now, theres lots more still to. Between 4 00, to come. Between now and 4 00, william both william and harry will both appear at an event paying tribute to their late mother, Princess Diana, tonight. But get this harry will only be involved once his brother has left. But first, its time for your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Wenzler. Martin. Thank you. Good afternoon. Your top story at 332, michael gove has named some of the groups to be investigated under a new definition of extremism , which she says will extremism, which she says will mean the government can express more than ever who poses more clearly than ever who poses a risk to britain. The groups include the Muslim Association of britain, cage and mend, which were alleged to have islamist views, and the British National movement and patriotic alternative, which are described as neo nazi. Todays new extremism definition will be used to assess which groups should be blocked from public funding, but the Community Secretary insists its not about silencing those with private and peaceful beliefs. Scotlands peaceful beliefs. Scotlands former Health Secretary has been found to have breached the code of conduct after an investigation into the £11,000 bill on a parliamentary ipad , bill on a parliamentary ipad, Michael Matheson quit his role in the wake of a scandal over his data roaming charges, which he racked up while holidaying in morocco over christmas in 2022. He later admitted that his teenage sons used the device as a hotspot to watch football. A full report into his spending is expected to be released in the coming months. Mps are getting a coming months. Mps are getting a pay coming months. Mps are getting a pay rise with an inflation busting 5. 5 boost pushing salaries to around £91,000. It means pay will increase by more than £4,700 next year, or almost £400 extra each month , the £400 extra each month, the westminster watchdog says. In line with an award for senior Civil Servants. But its above inflation, which is just 4. Russia has been accused of disrupting the gps signals on a defence secretarys raf jet. The incident occurred as the plane flew close to the edge of kaliningrad, en route to poland to visit troops. The gps. To visit nato troops. The gps. Navigation and Internet Access was lost for around 30 minutes dunng was lost for around 30 minutes during the flight, but the pilots have confirmed the aircraft was never at risk. And aircraft was never at risk. And for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Common alerts. Gb news. Common alerts. For stunning gold and silver coins , youll always value coins, youll always value rosalind gold. Proud sponsors the gb news Financial Report. The gb news Financial Report. And heres a quick snapshot of todays markets. The pound will buy you 1. 2744 and ,1. 1699. The price of gold is £1,695. 80 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 7728 points. Rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report. Report. Thank you sophia. Now, Prime Minister rishi sunak says weve got to boost our gas capacity to give us Energy Security. But at the same time , why on earth is the same time, why on earth is a government hitting firms with massive 75 windfall taxes . It simply doesnt add up. I Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel 2024 a battleground year. 2024 a battleground year. The year the nation decides. The year the nation decides. As the parties gear up their campaigns for the next general election. Who will be left standing when the british people make one of the biggest decisions of their lives . Who will rise and who will fall . Lets find out together for every moment. The highs, the lows, the twists and turns. Well be with you for every step of this journey in 2024. Gb news is britains election. Channel. Welcome back. The time is 339 and youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. Now, later in the show, i discuss the controversial decision that saw the labour mp who used the phrase between the river and the sea at a pro Palestine Rally have the whip restored. But before that, rishi sunak says its not possible to protect National Security without delivering Energy Security. Following the complications the ukraine war has caused. The Prime Minister stresses the governments mission for the uk to stand on its own feet, having halted Russian Energy imports, boosting Domestic Production and continuing to hit those net zero targets. Well, joining me now to discuss this in the studio is the peerless gb news economics and business editor, captain liam halligan. Liam, youve been liam halligan. Liam, youve been saying this for absolutely. Saying this for absolutely. Captain. Captain. Youve been youve been promoted. Youve youve been promoted. Youve been saying this forever and a day , to be dependent on on day, to be dependent on on National Security. See, you need National Security. See, you need to be dependent on Energy Security , and yet at the same security, and yet at the same time, we seem to have these draconian net zero targets allied to punishing windfall taxes on gas production. Never the twain shall meet, rishi finally saying we need more gas. Well, before russia invaded ukraine in february 2022. Martin, i must say, Energy Security, Energy Policy. It was one of the nerdiest subjects in terms of the sort of things i talk about on television. Energy policy is very complicated. Our energy mix is very complicated. Whats important, though, is that at the turn of the century, 30 odd percent of our electricity came from coal fired power stations. Now its less power stations. Now its less than 2. Renewables are much, much more. But those renewables are expensive because you have to have gas fired power stations on standby for when the wind doesnt blow in, the sun doesnt shine. Thats really expensive. Shine. Thats really expensive. To have those gas fired power stations on standby doing nothing. Of the time nothing. Most of the time theyve got to be manned, theyve got to be manned, theyve maintained. Theyve got to be maintained. And cost of all that is and then the cost of all that is spread over all other energy. So spread over all other energy. So our electricity the uk, our electricity in the uk, because we have lots of renewables is very, very expensive. Its much, much more expensive. Its much, much more expensive than the eu average and far, far more expensive than in the united states. So the terms cheap renewables, it doesnt really stack up when you havent got other baseload suppues havent got other baseload supplies to replace renewables when you need them, or until you can store Renewable Energy effectively. Now, the prime effectively. Now, the Prime Minister, this is his second intervention in this area so far this week. He said earlier this week weve got 32 gas fired power stations in the uk. And he said were going to need more. A lot of them are being retired over the next 5 to 10 years. He says a tory government will build lot build many, many more. A lot of environmentalists oh my environmentalists said, oh my god, thats terrible, thats terrible, labour were quite terrible, but labour were quite ambivalent because they are now understanding that the public wants us or a lot of members of the public, they want a cleaner planet, they want less pollution. Think a lot pollution. I think a lot of people that we need people understand that we need to move away from fossil fuels, but of doing that in but the cost of doing that in terms pounds, shillings terms of pounds, shillings and pence ordinary people and the pence to ordinary people and the cost in terms of our Energy Security are big. And finally, finally, finally mainstream politicians are starting to recognise this. And finally we can talk about it without being called climate deniers or barbaric. Just because we barbaric. Just because we understand a little bit about Energy Policy in this country and the realities and in the telegraph article today, rishi sunak made the statement that you said at the beginning of this item, you cant protect National Security without delivering Energy Security. And he sort of doubled down on this pledge, trying to put more pressure on labour to say we do need more gas fired power stations. And yet the missing equation from this, again, we talk about this so often, liam, as it were. Import thing. Most of this gas from around the world 19 billion quids worth. Last year we did a whopping trade deal yesterday with texas. Of course , its with texas. Of course, its biggest exports being Petroleum Products and gas. Why dont we just drill, baby drill and do it ourselves . Ourselves . Well, of course we have got the north sea oil and gas complex in aberdeen in scotland is probably the Energy Production capital of europe, but a lot of those north sea fields are now spent or theyre too difficult to access with current technology. Having said that, there still is a lot of production in the north sea. We are a net oil and gas importer , are a net oil and gas importer, as you rightly say, martin, but there still is a lot of production going on in the north sea, why the message sea, and thats why the message from rishi sunak today slightly jars with what we saw in the budget and what weve seen since russia invaded ukraine. You know, before that invasion in february 22nd, before energy pnces february 22nd, before Energy Prices really spiked , the oil prices really spiked, the oil and gas industry would pay 40. Corporation tax. So 40 tax on its profits compared to it was 19. And its 25 for all other companies that went up to 65 and then to 75 with the so called windfall tax. And in in the budget earlier this month, jeremy hunt extended that windfall tax from from 2027. Its now going to last until 2028. So thats piling pressure on often Small Businesses that are drilling in the north sea for oil and gas. Theyre often british companies. Theyre not the massive Global Energy companies anymore in the north sea. Not really. Theyre often small british companies, heavily indebted. And they need every indebted. And they need every you know, they need those profits in order to plough the back into the business and grow their way out of their debt burden. But look, this is the reality. We currently rely on oil and gas for 75 of our energy needs in this country. When you include transportation as well as electricity and even the Climate Change commission, the Climate Change commission, the government sort of in house conscience , a sort of green conscience, a sort of green Campaigning Group within government, even they acknowledge that 2030 on the best estimates of how good renewables are going to be is still going to be 50 oil and gas. And even by 2050, 25 of our energy needs will be oil and gas. So we need oil and gas as its just axiomatically true, under the most environmentally friendly scenarios. So i guess what the Prime Ministers finally getting his head around is what quite a lot of us have been saying for many, many years. We do need and gas to years. We do need oil and gas to some degree, even if were going to so were going to use less. So if were going to use less. So if were going to use less. So if were going to use oil and gas, lets use our own. Yeah, because we then get tax revenue its get the tax revenue on it. Its more energy secure. Foreign governments cant take it away from for geopolitical reasons from us for geopolitical reasons. And it employs tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people in this country. You know, ask the gmb, the second Biggest Union in this country, what of labours what they think of labours plans to increase windfall plans to increase the windfall tax oil and gas, tax on north sea oil and gas, even more. You know, their unofficial view is not fit for family viewing. Yeah. Liam halligan channelling common sense. Itll never catch on. Superb as ever. Now still to come, ill have news of an event this evening where william and harry will both appear, but find out why theres no thawing in relations between the two princes. But first, in a gb news series innovation britain, we are looking at the successes of british manufacturing around the country. Weve come to the oldest borough in england. Its malmesbury. Borough in england. Its malmesbury. Yeah. Thats correct. King athelstans gaffe, if we would have had the thames, i think we would have been london. But unfortunately were not. Unfortunately, not but unfortunately were not. London. ortunately, not in london. Were malmesbury and no, were in malmesbury and might one oldest might be one of the oldest places in uk. But yeah, places in the uk. But yeah, weve got actually a really brand new product here. Chris. Yeah. 9 have guys 9 guys designed . Yeah. Absolutely. Guys designed . Yeah. Absolutely. Sweet. Iesigned . Absolutely. So sweet. Bradley. Subcontract bradley. So we are a subcontract sheet but were sheet metal company, but were actually making actually looking into making our own now. This is own products now. This is a manhole guardian. So its an arrest device to fit inside the manhole cover when youre working so it will working on it. So it will literally clamp inside the chamber the manhole and chamber of the manhole and enable people to still access, but importantly, fall but more importantly, not fall into manhole , which does into the manhole, which does happen, we actually develop this because we work on defib tablets. We manufacture deep cabinets, we manufacture bleed kits, so it was a natural step for us to look into the safety industry, the problem arose , we industry, the problem arose, we took a concept, so we took a very rudimentary concept, which was some mild steel, rusty old mild steel box section. And then we actually used, radco. And all of our software to be able to develop. I think its quite a sexy product, but maybe, you know, sexy to me is not sexy to others, but its a great looking product. Its lightweight. Its safe. You know . I mean, it will safe. You know . I mean, it will stop lots of accidents and huge potential for the utilities industry. Water boards , industry. Water boards, construction anywhere theres a manhole. Uk is, you know, we should be making more as the uk. Im a huge advocate for uk engineering. I think i explained to you earlier on, ive seen uk engineering go away offshore times. It back times. Im seeing it come back now. So its important that now. So its important that Companies Like and Companies Like sweetnam and bradley, them bradley, theres lots of them out can actually do their out there, can actually do their own well. Welcome back. Its 352. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney by me on gb news now, Prince William and prince harry will both appear at an event honouring their late mother tonight. But if you were hoping that it could be the start of a thawing in relations between the two brothers, well, im afraid going to be im afraid youre going to be sorely to sorely disappointed. And to discuss now joined by discuss this, im now joined by gb news royal correspondent Cameron Cameron so the cameron walker. Cameron so the two brothers, the same event, but not even in each others company. Whats william been up to today . To today . Yeah, well, Prince William obviously has this, diana award tonight, which well talk about in a minute, but hes actually been at a youth zone in west london where hes expressed concern about the amount of time people their people are spending on their mobile phones , both children and mobile phones, both children and adults. Now, the reason this is significant is because a lot of people across the country, and indeed the world over the last 2 or 3 weeks have been looking at conspire unfounded conspiracy theories about the princess of waless health. Now, theres no suggestion that Prince William was directly referring to those kind of conspiracy theories online, but nonetheless, the fact he is voicing concerns about mobile phones , could about mobile phones, could perhaps speak volumes, particularly since hes got three Young Children himself, who clearly are going to in the next few years, get to the age where they themselves will probably have mobile phones and their and im sure prince their peers. And im sure Prince William is very concerned about how they will be portrayed or filmed on social media at some point. When it comes to point. But when it comes to whats happening tonight, him and his brother prince harry will be attending the diana legacy awards. It was awards set up to honour the memory of Princess Diana and her views that young people have the power to change the world. But theres a rift, isnt there, between william and harry. Prince william and harry. Prince william will be there in person at Science Museum in london at the Science Museum in london later evening. But prince later this evening. But prince harry isnt appearing until Prince Williams left and he will be appearing virtually, understandably, because hes in california. But nonetheless, california. But nonetheless, this 25th anniversary year of this 25th anniversary year of this awards, honouring the legacy of Princess Diana and the two brothers, their rift . No sign of it getting any better. Yeah, and its all very sad, isnt it, really, cameron . You isnt it, really, cameron . You know, the what their mother would think looking down upon them. Cameron walker, thank you very joining us on the very much for joining us on the show. Now, government minister show. Now, government minister michael has named five michael gove has named five groups, including three muslim organisations, could be organisations, which could be checked against the governments new definition of extremism. Well have the full detail on that after this. Those those two groups from the far right, though, three groups from the islamist end of the spectrum, will drill into the details. Whos behind them, what size is the threat . Should we be concerned . And all the full concerned . And all the full political reaction, including from sir keir starmer and london mayor sadiq khan, who says its dividing communities . Im Martin Daubney on gb news. Britains news channel. But first time for your weather with alex deakin. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good afternoon. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. More heavy downpours to come tomorrow. It wont rain all day. There will be some brighter spells and another pretty mild day in the south, but you know its not going to be completely dry when low pressure is dominating. This one sitting right weather dominating. This one sitting right have weather dominating. This one sitting right have been weather dominating. This one sitting right have been providinger fronts have been providing persistent rain through the day, it stays very soggy overnight across central and southern scotland, and scotland, showers elsewhere and some decent, drier spells developing over the midlands and Eastern England before more heavy showers come into wales and southwest england through the early could be the the early hours. Could be the odd of thunder mixed odd rumble of thunder mixed in with winds gusting with that, and the winds gusting up a very mild night up as well. A very mild night for most, a chilly for most, but a bit chilly in northern where touch for most, but a bit chilly in nofrost1 where touch for most, but a bit chilly in nofrost is where touch for most, but a bit chilly in nofrost is just where touch for most, but a bit chilly in nofrost is just abouthere touch for most, but a bit chilly in nofrost is just about possible. Jch of frost is just about possible. A cold start then, with the rain over part of scotland, over a good part of scotland, although not heavy today, although not as heavy as today, it dull and damp it stays pretty dull and damp through southeast scotland for it stays pretty dull and damp throu of southeast scotland for it stays pretty dull and damp throu of the theast scotland for it stays pretty dull and damp throu of the day. ;t scotland for it stays pretty dull and damp throu of the day. Elsewhere for it stays pretty dull and damp throu of the day. Elsewhere itll most of the day. Elsewhere itll be bright spells and be a case of bright spells and some showers, some heavy showers, particularly early on and then later on through the afternoon. Of course, Eastern England. Some brightness, though england. Some brightness, though for west for northern ireland. West coast of chilly side of scotland on the chilly side here, whereas in the south again into teens of into the teens a bit of brightness in Eastern England could 15 or 16 could see highs of 15 or 16 temperature dropping there on friday night. So saturday starts with for i suspect with a frost for many. I suspect much england, much of Eastern England, Northern England , scotland will Northern England, scotland will stay dry on saturday. Further west, cloud thickening all west, the cloud thickening all the while with outbreaks of rain at trickling in again reasonably mild in the south, although dont forget it will be bit of dont forget it will be a bit of a start. A chilly start. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. A very good afternoon to you all out there. Its 4 pm. And welcome to the Martin Daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. All across the uk. Coming up in your next hour. The governments announced its long awaited crackdown on extremism and michael gove has named five groups, including three muslim organisations, which he said could and should be investigated next. Teens online make a shock revelation, with groups admitting to doing their relatives nursing degree coursework. Could coursework. Could under qualified medics be putting british peoples lives in jeopardy . Well have a full report on that. Ill also report on that. Ill also discuss the controversial decision by to labour restore the whip to andy macdonald, the mp for middlesbrough , after he mp for middlesbrough, after he referenced an anti semitic hate chant. And theres the 101 year old woman whos leading the fight to get whats been branded the most potholed road in england fixed. What an absolute trouper she is. And thats all coming up between now and 6 00. Welcome to the show. Its always an absolute pleasure to have your company. Well, since rishi sunak gave that emergency address to the nation on the steps of downing street a couple of weeks ago on a friday, weve been waiting to see who the threats to britain were in terms of the extremist groups. We found out a little more detail today from michael gove. Five groups were identified , three groups were identified, three from the muslim end of the spectrum as it were, and two from the far right. Well be delving into the detail of the actual threat thats represented by those relative groups. Do you think that the far right threat is being revved up . Were still waiting for details on one of the groups, the British National socialist movement, that was quoted by michael gove today in parliament as a threat, was actually disbanded in 1968. Its two leaders are long dead. Let me know what you think about all of this. Email me gbviews gbnews. Com. But first, its gbviews gbnews. Com. But first, wsfime gbviews gbnews. Com. But first, its time for your latest news headunes its time for your latest News Headlines with sofia wenzel. Headlines with sofia wenzel. Martin. Thank you. Good afternoon. Its 4 02. Im sophia afternoon. Its 4 02. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Im wenzler in the gb newsroom. Im michael gove has named some of the groups to be investigated under a new definition of extremism, which she says will mean the government can express more clearly than who poses more clearly than ever who poses a risk to britain. The groups include the Muslim Association of britain, cage and mend, which are alleged to have islamist views, and the British National movement and patriotic alternative, which are described as neo nazi. Today is new extremism definition will be used to assess which groups should be blocked from public funding, but michael gove insists its not about silencing those with private and peaceful beliefs. We have to be clear eyed about the threat we face, precise about where that threat comes from and rigorous in defending our democracy. That means holding freedom of expression, religion and belief when they are threatened , facing when they are threatened, facing down harassment and hate, supporting the communities facing the greatest challenge from extremist activity, and ensuring this house and this country are safe, free and united. Some conservative backbenchers have suggested the new definition lands in no mans land, neither Strong Enough to tackle true extremists nor to protect opposing views. Labour protect opposing views. Labour leader sir keir starmer says there are new threats which must be tackled together with the debate about extremism has to be taken very, very seriously because there hasnt really been a review of extremism now for a number of years. There are new threats and it is important, therefore, that we all come together to look at the question of extremism and what action is now needed. What i would say is that this will only work if it is truly cross party and not divisive. And thats the and not divisive. And thats the spirit in which i want to enter this discussion in relation to extremism. Extremism. Now mps are getting a pay rise with an inflation busting 5. 5 boost, pushing salaries to around £91,000. It means pay will increase by more than £4,700 next year, or almost £400 extra each month. The westminster watchdog says its in line with an award for senior Civil Servants , but its above Civil Servants, but its above inflation, which is just 4. Scotlands former Health Secretary has been found to have breached the code of conduct after an investigation into the £11,000 bill he racked up on a parliamentary ipad. Michael matheson quit his role in the wake of the scandal over his data roaming charges, which he racked up while holidaying in morocco over christmas in 2022. He later admitted that his teenage sons used the parliamentary device as a hotspot to watch football. A full report into his spending is expected to be released in the coming months. A boy has coming months. A boy has admitted killing 15 year old euanne admitted killing 15 year old Elianne Andam near a school in croydon. She was stabbed to death after meeting friends on her way to school in september. The 17 year old suspect, who cant be identified because of his age, has pleaded guilty to manslaughter but denies murdering her. Hell face trial later this year. Russia has been accused of disrupting the gps signal on the defence secretarys plane en route to poland. The incident occurred as poland. The incident occurred as the raf jet flew close to the edge of kaliningrad. Gps navigation and Internet Access was lost for around 30 minutes dunng was lost for around 30 minutes during the flight, but the pilots have confirmed the aircraft was never at risk. The incident happened as grant shapps visited british troops participating in nato exercises in poland. The prince of wales has expressed concerns about the amount of time children spend on phones, as hes visited a youth club today. He was visiting a new £12 Million Centre called west , which new £12 Million Centre called west, which stands for when everyone sticks together. The prince asked some of the children how long they spend on their phones, with one girl saying she spends up to 15 hours a day. The future king said grown ups also guilty of grown ups were also guilty of excessive time and said excessive screen time and said weve to better at weve all got to get better at managing it. And a British Airways concorde jet is returning to its home in new york today, though its travelling at a much slower pace than during its heyday. If than during its heyday. If youre watching on tv, you can see these live pictures now coming to us from new york. The jet was lifted off a barge just moments ago after its journey up the hudson river. Its returning to the Intrepid Museum in manhattan this afternoon after a months long restoration at the Brooklyn Navy yard. The supersonic flights were retired in 2003, and its one of 17 planes that once flew from london to new york in just two hours and 52 minutes. And for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com alerts. Now its back to. Martin. Back to. Martin. Now we start this hour with the governments long awaited clampdown on extremism , and clampdown on extremism, and michael gove has named five groups, including three muslim organisations, that would be investigated over extremism fears. And im joined in our westminster studio by our Political Editor, chris hope, and also by tom wilson, whos the director of policy at the counter extremism group. Good afternoon to both of you gents. Afternoon to both of you gents. Lets start with you, chris. So since rishi sunak gave that emergency address on the steps of downing street, you were there of course, it broke during my show, the far right was thrown out there as something we should be concerned about at that time. We were saying, okay, so lets quantify how big so lets quantify that. How big is the threat . Who is the threat at . Likewise with the at . And likewise with the islamist threat. We got a bit more detail today. Five groups more detail today. Five groups were named, not the full shebang that would come in a few weeks time. The full shebang is where i think youll find the controversy. So he named two far right groups in the house of commons today , patriotic commons today, patriotic alternative and the British National socialist movement. Three others named on the islamist side or the or the left of the side. He would describe it the Muslim Association of britain, cage and men. Now he was none of those was saying none of those done not not extremist not being not called extremist at stage are being looked at this stage are being looked at this stage are being looked at this stage are being looked at this new under this new at by this new under this new guidelines the michael gove guidelines from the michael gove to set out today in house of commons and it may be they are called extremists in the future. In three weeks and other groups may into that. What what may be tied into that. What what the idea here is theyre trying to strangle the funding for groups that they feel should, shouldnt money. So shouldnt get public money. So once youre called an extremist and one of those groups, you cant get central cant then get Central Government money. And may government money. And that may then bearing on whether government money. And that may therget bearing on whether government money. And that may therget charityaring on whether government money. And that may therget charity money, whether government money. And that may therget charity money, because you get charity money, because any look that. Any trustees will look at that. Well, they the government well, if they say the government says extremists, we cant says youre extremists, we cant give money. Will give you money. So trustees will govern themselves some these govern themselves. Some of these groups charitable govern themselves. Some of these groupzin charitable govern themselves. Some of these groupzin the charitable govern themselves. Some of these groupzin the past. Charitable govern themselves. Some of these groupzin the past. Its haritable govern themselves. Some of these groupzin the past. Its anritable funds in the past. Its an attempt to build on what, as you say, rishi sunak said say, the pm, rishi sunak said about this extremism is about this, this extremism is tearing country apart and tearing this country apart and theyre trying to say its from both sides. But recently we have seen more issues with the islamist side because of the issues on october the issues on october 7th, the attack israel. Issues on october 7th, the attiokay. Israel. Issues on october 7th, the attiokay. Well,. Issues on october 7th, the attiokay. Well, lets go now to okay. Well, lets go now to tom, tom wilson. Five groups are tom, tom wilson. Five groups are thrown out there today and i was surprised by the fact the British National socialist movement hasnt even existed since the 1960s. It was disbanded and patriotic alternative, i think the biggest crime theyve been guilty of is one of their members was jailed for racist stickers a couple of weeks ago. On the other end of weeks ago. On the other end of the spectrum, some real serious stuff from cage, the Muslim Association of britain , and also association of britain, and also muslim engagement and discipline. What can you tell us about those three groups . Well, i think that the groups that were being talked about today and the whole subject of this new definition , what they this new definition, what they want to focus on, is to do with much more people who are in the non violent space. And theres clearly this country clearly a threat to this country and our democracy from a couple of angles. Theres the of different angles. Theres the terrorist , and then terrorist threat, and then theres threat of people theres the threat of people intimidating mps, intimidating journalists, turning up outside schools and demonstrating because they dont agree with what a teacher is teaching. And that clearly infringes on peoples Civil Liberties and their free speech. So this new initiative is primarily trying to deal with that. Something like prevent would deal more with the threat from terrorism and violence. Okay. I think its clear its really important that were trying to establish a relative threat or a hierarchy, at least if we can, in terms of this , if we can, in terms of this, weve seen a huge boom in anti semitic crime since october the 7th. Thats clearly linked to the islamist spectrum. The end of thats fair to say, isnt it, in terms of the far right, how big a threat is it . I mean, and what about the far left . What about anarchist groups . Its a complex group of people who pose a threat. Threat. Absolutely. So if youre talking about terrorism and we actually look at the number of attacks that have happened from the or number the far right or the number of people whove been killed in far right threat is right attacks, the threat is comparatively quite small comparatively really quite small compared the islamist threat, compared to the islamist threat, which terrorist which is the main terrorist threat facing this country. Also a very small and theres also a very small far left terrorist threat. But if were talking about extremist , as i think extremist groups, as i think were looking today, were now looking at today, particularly , you do particularly then yes, you do need to broaden out, particularly the far left. Particularly to the far left. You october 7. It is you mentioned october 7. It is islamist very Islamist Groups who are very prominent in much of the activities. And weve seen extremist mosques, extremist preaching in mosques, for. But the left for instance. But the far left has also a part in this as has also had a part in this as well, intimidating mps and making mps unsafe, gb news making mps feel unsafe, gb News Reporters, i believe down at some of the protests were being intimidated. Katherine forster got it. Katherine forster got it. Yeah. Groups that cause yeah. So groups that cause vandalism and mass disruption are much closer to the anarchist end of the spectrum. And hopefully a definition like this would also look at those groups too. And when we cant chris, i say its worth worth hearing what michael gove had to say about that very point earlier. Precisely. Precisely. Precisely. The United Kingdom is a Success Story a multinational, multi ethnic, multi faith democracy stronger because of our diversity. But our democracy and our values of inclusivity and our values of inclusivity and tolerance are under challenged. Challenged. And why dont we quickly look at what sir keir starmer had to say . His reaction to todays announcements earlier . Announcements earlier . I think the debate about extremism has to be taken very, very seriously because there hasnt really been a review of extremism now for a number of years. There are new threats and it is important, therefore, that we all come together to look at the question of extremism and what action is now needed. What i would say is that this will only work if it is truly cross party and not divisive. Cross party and not divisive. And thats the spirit in which i want to enter this discussion in relation to extremism. Relation to extremism. And tom wilson, whats been extraordinary about the intimidation towards the Political Class since october is that the hard left have also been going for the labour party. Weve seen Angela Rayner harass sir keir starmer himself, chase off train in scotland. Off a train in scotland. Rachel reeves dodds you know reeves Anneliese Dodds you know theyve been barracks outside of Labour Party Mps in london from the hard left, so its not just a simple case of left wing and right wing. Everybody seems to right wing. Everybody seems to be getting caught in the crossfire. Well, i think that the far left hoped that it was going to have control of the labour party. Theres been a party. And theres been a significant to wrestle the significant push to wrestle the extreme elements, extreme far left elements, particularly issue particularly around the issue of anti semitism, labour and anti semitism, out of labour and so clearly theyre targeting the party i what party once again. I think what i would pick up on, on what was said there by leader of the said there by the leader of the opposition whether thered opposition about whether thered been looking been anyone looking into extremism we did been anyone looking into extre|william we did been anyone looking into extre|william shawcrosss we did been anyone looking into extre|william shawcrosss review have william shawcrosss review into and although that have william shawcrosss review into about and although that have william shawcrosss review into about counteralthough that have william shawcrosss review into about Counter Terrorism,1at have william shawcrosss review into about Counter Terrorism, he was about Counter Terrorism, he found that government money was going extremist groups, and going to extremist groups, and he looked at the extremist threat part of that threat as well as part of that money that was supposed to help counter extremism was actually going people who were going to people who were extremists. Were extremists. And the police were found to be consulting with extremists which extremists as well, which underlines importance of underlines the importance of having better understanding having a better understanding within you within government of how you define who is an extremist and who define who is an extremist and wh and in terms those and in terms of those problematic groups, which part of were of the political spectrum were they from that was being engaged with . Thats very well, thats very interesting. They were exclusively, knowledge, exclusively, to my knowledge, islamist. Really islamist. And whats really interesting is that on the question of engagement and funding, although are hearing funding, although we are hearing about the right, to my about the far right, to my knowledge, government and knowledge, the government and the Public Sector, the police, the Public Sector, schools, engage the police, the Public Sector, sch01the engage the police, the Public Sector, sch01the far engage the police, the Public Sector, sch01the far right, engage the police, the Public Sector, sch01the far right, rightlyengage the police, the Public Sector, sch01the far right, rightly so. |ge with the far right, rightly so. They dont the right. They dont fund the far right. They dont fund the far right. The engagement the problem around engagement is usually with interfaith usually starting with interfaith and attempts at Community Policing extremism policing or counter extremism when they end up engaging with the people because whereas the wrong people because whereas people on the far right and far right symbolism, swastikas are very to people, very recognisable to people, i think ignorance and think theres a ignorance and lack understanding about the lack of understanding about the nature of the islamist terrorist threat. And whats really fascinating about have been about the groups that have been identified today from the islamist end of the spectrum, tom, that muslim tom, is that the muslim engagement and discipline mend. Theyve been called henry theyve been called by the Henry Jackson foundation islamists masquerading as civil libertarians start off by trying to shine a light on islamophobia and ended up actually hosting hate preachers, incitement to violence and sympathy for convicted terrorists. Cage started out as a sympathy group for prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, and ended up hosting al qaeda recruiters at conferences in britain. So this issue of islamophobia that you pick up on is one that was also in the shawcross review of prevent, because he clearly took a very strong stand against anti muslim hatred. He anti muslim hatred. But he warned fear of people warned that the fear of people being labelled islamophobic by campaign that they Campaign Groups meant that they were nervous around looking at the issue of islamist extremism. And i think that raises a question about whether of question about whether some of the that been made the mistakes that have been made in, in schemes like prevent and in, in schemes like prevent and in pubuc in, in schemes like prevent and in public is because in the Public Sector is because people are nervous about making a mistake. We know that the Security Guard in the Manchester Arena case was nervous about approaching the bomber, because he saw him praying with a large bag, and he was concerned about how that might look. So this is something that a concern has been raised about, whether been raised about, about whether its timidity its creating a certain timidity about with this issue. About dealing with this issue. Do you hope and, tom, do you hope that todays intervention by michael gove and the body of work were about to see coming forward will end this fear of grasping the nettle and just calling these organisations out for what they are. Theyre activists masquerading as good guys in many senses. But weve already heard that several of them might contest this in the courts and deny the fact that theyre extremists. This could drag on and on. Well, what the government has provided as well as a definition, is a set of clear behaviours that demonstrates what people actually do, that crosses that threshold into extremism. So its not just a theoretical or philosophical argument about how to define a word. This is going to provide, hopefully, in government , hopefully, people in government, people in police, in people in schools, in police, in local councils who have to make decisions about who they engage with and they fund , a clear with and who they fund, a clear set of criteria by how they can decide or not people decide whether or not people shouldnt public shouldnt be getting public money, think the money, because i dont think the taxpayer to see money taxpayer expects to see money that towards countering that goes towards countering extremism, extremists. Extremism, going to extremists. Precisely. And that that is a huge, huge point. You know, we are a very divided, very nervous society at the moment. Post october 7th, the very fact that pubuc october 7th, the very fact that public money might be going into the coffers of those who are actually trying to divide us, tom, as grotesque. The government for a long time has said its going to make sure that that doesnt happen any longer. I think also the question about who is consulted with who advises with and who advises the Government Police government and the police is key. We when there were key. We saw when there were calls jihad at one of these calls for jihad at one of these rallies following october the 7th, were sort 7th, that the police were sort of ambiguous, about of ambiguous, really, about whether a problem, whether this was a problem, whether this was a problem, whether they were going to crack down in any way, and down on this in any way, and that goes to how the that goes to show how the influence sometimes of people who extremist can who are themselves extremist can make Public Sector confused make the Public Sector confused and issue. And nervous about this issue. Just one question, tom. Do you that a future you worry that a future government could use new government could use this new definition crack down definition to try and crack down on critical voices who arent who arent really extremists . I mean, thats a concern from some campaigners today. Nature of whats being so the nature of whats being proposed, as i understand it, would only stop funding and engagement. This doesnt criminalise anyone. It shouldnt infringe on free speech, my concern would be that its extremists actually shut extremists who actually shut down and if the down free speech. And if the government purely government takes a purely libertarian on this, libertarian perspective on this, then essentially absent then we essentially absent ourselves intervening in ourselves from intervening in this really quite serious threat. Absolutely. Excellent guest, absolutely. Excellent guest, tom wilson, director of policy at the counter extremism group. Fantastic. Thanks for coming in. Chris oberhaus always superb. Now well have lots more on that story later this hour. And ill be joined by a muslim journalist whos a member of the anti racist organisation dont divide us. Anti racist organisation dont divide us. That will be fascinating. And theres plenty of coverage on our website gb news. Com youve helped to make it the Fastest Growing National News website in the country. So thank you very much. Now its thank you very much. Now its time for our spring Great British giveaway and your chance to win gadgets a shopping spree and a £12,345 12345 tax free spnng and a £12,345 12345 tax free spring cash boost. Youve got to spring cash boost. Youve got to be in it to win it. And heres how you could be our next big winner. Want to be a winner . Want to be a winner . Youve won £18,000, nick i dont know what to say. Enter our massive spring giveaway with three big seasonal pnzes giveaway with three big seasonal prizes to be won. Theres £12,345 in tax free cash to give your finances a spnng cash to give your finances a spring boost. Well also send you on a shopping spree with £500 worth of vouchers to spend in the store of your choice. In the store of your choice. Youll also get a garden gadget package for another chance to win the vouchers. The treats and £12,345 in tax free cash. Text £12,345 in tax free cash. Text gb win to 84 £12,345 in tax free cash. Text gb win to 84 9000. £12,345 in tax free cash. Text gb win to 84 9000. Two texts cost £2 plus one Standard Network rate message or post your name and number two gb gb03, p. O. Box 8690, your name and number two gb gb03, po. Box 8690, derby de19, double tee, uk only entrants must be 18 or over. Lines close at 5 pm. On friday the 29th march. Full terms and privacy nofice march. Full terms and Privacy Notice at gbnews. Com. Forward slash win. Please check the slash win. Please check the closing time if watching or listening on demand. Good luck. Now fill your boots. Now weve got a very worrying story for any of you whose loved ones are in hospital because dozens of young brits are boasting about helping relatives pass nursing degrees and other health care qualifications. Are their qualifications bogus . Well look qualifications bogus . Well look into that after this. Im Martin Daubney on gb news, earlier on breakfast. Earlier on breakfast. Do you think most people watching this morning really care about funding for the arts . Care about funding for the arts . It means a lot in different parts of the country. Its to expensive to separate and get divorced. Especially if youve got children. Probably a lot easierjust to probably a lot easier just to stay in that unhappy marriage. And play away. And play away. Yeah. Yeah. Tv news is the home of free speech exemplifies, an approach towards that. You invite on people to your shows who you may and your viewers may violently disagree with, but you think its important to hear every side of the argument six. Side of the argument from six. Its breakfast gb news. Its breakfast on gb news. Welcome back. Its approaching 425. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. Now, later in the show, ill tell you why. Theres no sign of the huge rift between william and harry coming to an end any time soon. But first to a very worrying story for any of you whose loved ones are in hospital. And thats because dozens of young brits are boasting about helping relatives pass nursing degrees and other health care qualifications. Well, im now joined in our westminster studio by g News Reporter charlie peters, whos got a superb exclusive on this. Charlie, always a pleasure to have you in the studio. Its bad enough at your time of need when your family members are in hospital, but the revelation that those treating them might have bogus qualifications , then have bogus qualifications, then that chills you to the bone. And thats only the dozens that have been foolish enough to admit have admit it online, that they have been supporting their parents in getting that qualification. Getting that qualification. Given what we saw this week earlier, it didnt take much digging. People were posting on digging. People were posting on social media and boasting about the that theyd been doing the fact that theyd been doing coursework, essays and supporting multiple family members in their processes for getting degrees or qualifications , particularly qualifications, particularly surrounding nursing and other health care qualifications. Some said that theyd been paid by other relatives in the family, not just their mother or their father , but but aunties. We saw father, but but aunties. We saw one person who i replied to who swiftly deleted their entire social presence, say that social media presence, say that theyd even been paid by up to five family members to do this sort of work. They said their names should be on that certificate and as that discussion went on and also moved on to other social media platforms, we also saw a discussion on tiktok. Just discussion on tiktok. And just to our viewers and our to give our viewers and our listeners a flavour of what that is, got clip we can play is, weve got a clip we can play now. How. fl fl g a tiktok of the man in i saw a tiktok of the man in question doing mums uni question doing his mums uni work. Are out here work. You guys are out here doing and you guys, because i read through the comments, you guys are out here doing your parents work. Someone yeah, i was someone said, yeah, i was a Mental Health nurse by 16. He must really just think were just robot. Just some sort of robot. When they heard us, they thought, got thought, yep, now ive just got help i get favours. Help for life, i get favours. Parents doing your parents have you doing degrees them. Your parents have you doing dega es them. Your parents have you doing dega mental1em. Your parents have you doing dega Mental Health nurse at 16. A Mental Health nurse at 16. Its quite an extraordinary admission. And so when i shared some of this information with doctors working in the nhs now, they had some pretty stern words to say. One said that they had some pretty stern words to say. One said that this they had some pretty stern words to say. One said that this could to say. One said that this could be jeopardising lives in the system. They were stunned to see the open boasting an admission of the process. They also said what kind of processes could these people be faking . How are they having their qualifications supported by their children . They also asked, you know, could it be a sepsis process . Could they be focusing more on the application of drugs by intravenous means . They didnt know what on earth was going on. They didnt know how to make sense of it. One doctor also told me that there are some confusing scenarios theyd witnessed working wards witnessed while working on wards in virtue of in london, but by virtue of seeing this widespread conversation online about kids supporting their parents nursing degrees , they said, suddenly degrees, they said, suddenly those errors and those strange scenarios started to make more sense. When i raised this with the nursing and midwifery council, they said they they werent formally aware of any process like the one that wed raised. But with so many complaints, it seems almost certain that this is a widespread issue. So to be absolutely clear, this is people within britain doing qualifications within britain for relatives who would have no qualifications or no chance of passing those qualifications. Is it also happening in countries abroad . People faking it to get in . Because i saw an alarming thread from a ghanaian expert i contacted who said this is actually happening within ghana and other african nations itself. So the qualifications there being sacked by other people, getting visas to come into britain from abroad without even having a qualification at all. Well, the health and social care visa has come under pretty significant criticism in the last year with that record net migration that we saw migration figure that we saw last the department of last year, the department of Health Social care health and social care reportedly only expected a handful of people to come in on that scheme, and the numbers really exploded. Beyond their really exploded. Beyond their predictions, there has also been some analysis now which has led to the government reducing the ability of dependents arriving on that scheme to arrive in britain. Thats expected to reduce it. But at the same time, reduce it. But at the same time, the nursing and midwifery council, theyre currently investigating some 700 nurses already in the system on allegations that they fraudulently acquired their qualifications in nigeria and they had proxies sitting and taking that test. A former head of that college told of the Royal College of nurses did say that this could also be putting lives at risk. And you couldnt have nurses under investigation working on hospital wards. So clearly a big discussion at the moment will more widely about the issue of qualifications , how the issue of qualifications, how theyre acquired and also, crucially, how they are linked to immigration. And charlie, we also hear about care visas being given out to people from abroad coming to care homes that dont exist, or care homes that dont exist, or care homes that dont exist, or care homes giving out many thousands of visas when they clearly lack the capacity to employ anywhere near that number. And this has generated, as we, as we reported last week on the gb news website, quite an extra ordinary explosion in the number of people advertising overseas, particularly in bangladesh and in northern india. As we found advertising that as a route into britain. That as a route into britain. Easy, they say, and your entire family can come with you. Family can come with you. Superb stuff. A cracking exclusive charlie peters. Great stuff. Keep exclusive charlie peters. Great stuff. Keep digging exclusive charlie peters. Great stuff. Keep digging now. Lots stuff. Keep digging now. Lots more still to come between now and 5 00, and ill discuss the controversial decision that saw the labour mp who used the phrase between the river and the sea at a pro police rally. Well, hes had the whip restored. But hes had the whip restored. But first, its time for your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Thanks, martin. Its 430. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your headlines. Michael gove has named some of the groups to be investigated under a new definition of extremism, which she says will mean the government can express more clearly than ever who poses a risk to britain. The groups include the Muslim Association of britain, cage and mend, which are alleged to have islamist views and the British National movement and patriotic alternative, which are described as neo nazi. Todays new extremism definition will be used to assess which groups should be blocked from public funding, but the Community Secretary insists its not about silencing those with private and peaceful beliefs. Scotlands peaceful beliefs. Scotlands former Health Secretary has been found to have breached the code of conduct after an investigation into the £11,000 bill on a parliamentary ipad. Bill on a parliamentary ipad. Michael matheson quit his role in the wake of the scandal over his data roaming charges, which he racked up while holidaying in morocco over christmas in 2022. He later admitted that his teenage sons used the device as a hotspot to watch football. A full report into his spending is expected to be released in the coming months. Mps are getting a coming months. Mps are getting a pay coming months. Mps are getting a pay rise with an inflation busting 5. 5 boost, pushing salaries to around £91,000. It means pay will increase by more than £4,700 next year, or almost £400 extra each month. The westminster watchdog says its in line with an award for senior Civil Servants, but its above inflation, which is just 4, and the prince of wales has expressed concerns about the amount of time children spend on phones as he visited a youth club in london today. The prince asked some of the children how long they spend on their phones with one girl saying she spends up to 15 hours a day. The future king said grown ups were also guilty of excessive screen time and said weve got to get and said weve all got to get better managing it. And said weve all got to get better managing it. And for better at managing it. And for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb com slash alerts gb news. Com slash alerts. Thank you sophia. Now im about to have more on our top story. And that, of course, is the governments new definition of extremism. Ill be joined by a muslim journalist whos a member of the anti racist organisation dont divide us. You will not want to miss that. Im Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel join me. Camilla tominey every sunday at 930. When ill be interviewing the key players in british politics and taking them to task in this report basically says that hes not fit to stand trial with an upcoming election looming over westminster, now the time for westminster, now is the time for clear, honest answers. I agree, and thats precisely what ill get. Is he indecisive . Incompetent thats the Camilla Tominey show at 930 every sunday on gb news, the peoples channel on gb news, the peoples channel, britains election. Channel. Welcome back. Its 437. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. I sent so many emails about todays big announcement on extremism, and also the criticism that the princess of wales has been getting recently. Ill read the best of them out a little later in this hour. Get them in if you havent yet. Vaiews gbnews. Com now lets get more on our top story today. And thats the governments long awaited clampdown on extremism. Awaited clampdown on extremism. And michael gove has named five groups, including three muslim organisations, that will be investigated over extremism fears. Well, joining us now to discuss this is a spokesperson for dont divide us , ira khan, for dont divide us, ira khan, welcome to the show. Gita always a pleasure. What do you make of Michael Goves announcement today . Singled out three. Groups from the muslim end of the spectrum, as it were, and two from the far right. But one of the far right groups hasnt existed since the 1960s. What was your take on it . Thank you so much for having me, i would like to expand this argument, just to put it into a context, just recently, the chancellor , jeremy hunt, he, chancellor, jeremy hunt, he, announced a budget and in the very beginning, hes talked about, the a foreign conflict, and then he talked about tackling extremism, and then he, talked about healing divisions, and then he jumped on to, the memorial for, for muslims, you know, war memorial for muslims. So he talked about all these things in a row, and he conflated so many issues. Right conflated so many issues. Right now, we are facing a threat that is an islamist threat. But he instead of just dealing right away with this threat, he started, you know, like playing around the word, the semantics and the real third and the discussion that should be focussed on this one thing was just nowhere to be seen or to be, taken place in social and political discourse. And now come to this announcement about the definition of extremism, the previous definition of extremism, extremism was given under the prevent , strategy in under the prevent, strategy in 2011. And that was according to that, that time and frame. It was quite comprehensive definition, but it didnt work out because people they were not, very much convinced , about not, very much convinced, about that definition of extremism and the same thing is happening at the same thing is happening at the moment, the people there is a backlash, you know, against this definition of extremism , this definition of extremism, because its never worked out in the past. And its not going to work now because we dont have a problem of defining extremism at the moment. We have extremism , the moment. We have extremism, but we have a problem with deaung but we have a problem with dealing with extremism. I mean, there are problem , with the law there are problem, with the law enforcers who have been unable, incompetent in dealing with this threat on the streets of london. And this is the problem that should we should be talking about. We know what is extremism. There are existing laws regarding hate speech, regarding tackling extremism. So regarding tackling extremism. So we dont need further definition of it. And as you said about those three groups, muslim organisations that has that have been singled out, in Michael Goves speech, i would say that these groups have been, you know, reported in Mainstream Media outlets about their activities, about their association. And yet, there was no action, that could be, taken against them and try to prevent that. Those activities or associations i mean, this is the problem where the laws are not being enforced or implemented. Being enforced or implemented. This is not the problem about what can i interject . Can i please interject that point, khadija, because strikes me from this me that, missing from this debate so often are muslim voices such as your own. To put a degree of balance on this conversation , because of course conversation, because of course all muslims are not the same. And do not share the same values. And in fact, one of the groups identified today, muslim engagement and discipline mend specifically in their islamophobia Awareness Month in 2017, as well as supporting Corporal Punishment against jews, homosexuals, they also singled out non believers, muslims as they call them, minority muslim sects. Clearly, minority muslim sects. Clearly, taking umbrage with people within the Muslim Community who dont agree with their extremist views. And in that sense, it needs people such as yourself to call them out. The problem is that there have been moderate voices dissenting voices within the muslim communities, but there were silenced. They were muzzled. They were brushed aside. And people like these organisations who run these organisations who run these organisations , we see these organisations, we see these people being, presented , on, on people being, presented, on, on a Media Outlets as, as the representative of muslim communities. I mean, Anjum Chaudhry was represented, presented as, as , as presented as, as, as a spokesperson for muslim communities. Then mohamed hijab was presented as a spokesperson for muslim communities. Now we see shakeel afsar, who led, you know, intimidating mobs outside the schools and cinemas and who heckled a british mp. I mean, he heckled a british mp. I mean, he is being, featured in sky news today. I just saw that and it was so shocking for me as he was, presented as, as a spokesperson for muslim communities. I mean, this is the governments, the successor governments, the successor governments who have been given, giving these people so much importance and treating them as this so called, you know, Community Leaders and then the Media Outlets who give these people , you know, the oxygen of people, you know, the oxygen of pubuchy people, you know, the oxygen of publicity and then, somehow now these people, they managed to get a position where they , bully get a position where they, bully the whole communities into compliance, really. And people, they just dont want to get into trouble for that reason , trouble for that reason, because, i mean, just imagine that. Can i can i also interject again because obviously that that individual, you know, hes not defend himself. Not here to defend himself. Lets to side. Lets put that to one side. But can you a question can i can i ask you a question about the idea that a lot of the time the politicians, the they dont seem to understand the nature and by trying to do the right thing, by trying to give muslim communities a voice, we are seeing, they are indeed forcing these organisations that often funding them. We had a Counter Terrorism expert on earlier, tom wilson , who said earlier, tom wilson, who said often money is changing hands because they dont. Theyre not aware of the fact they think that these groups are doing good. But actually, in actual fact, in terms of certainly the ones that are named today turn out opportunists are out to be opportunists who are actually dividing us. The problem , that is the problem, actually. I mean, there are fringes, extreme fringes within the muslim communities. These fringes have to be singled out and dealt with. But the problem is that with instead of dealing with these fringes head on, the government and the m. P. S and the media, they are just like tiptoeing around these issues. I mean, they are bringing in, into the discussion, things like, such as, building war memorial and then, you know, healing divisions. I mean, there is a threat. There are people who are, promoting intolerant views and beliefs and they are basing the foundation of these views on religion , on religious religion, on religious teachings. You need to tackle these issues head on. And when they say that they cannot understand the moderate voices coming from from the muslim communities, i mean, i dont buy this into this argument because , this into this argument because, there are many muslim, british muslims who are living a peaceful life who love britain, who who espouse democratic , who who espouse democratic, secular values, free freedom of speech that that we all espouse. And we take pride in. But then those people, where do you see those people, where do you see those people . I mean, if they want to talk to some someone from Muslim Community, they would go for the radical for the rigid interpretation of, of the religion. And those people who espouse those rigid and intolerant views and intolerant, you know, interpretation of religion, of course they would choose them to represent the muslim communities. And these people , these so called people, these so called Community Leaders. They have become a face of Muslim Community, and they present them in such bad light for the rest of the society. I mean , people, of the society. I mean, people, people like, thank, thank you very much for speaking out and having the bravery to be one of those moderate muslim voices calling out this bad behaviour. An excellent interview. Thank an excellent interview. Thank you so much forjoining us and our spokesperson from dont dividers, khadija khan. Thank you very much indeed. What you very, very much indeed. What a superb, balanced interview that was. Love it. Now labour that was. Love it. Now labour has restored the whip to the mp who used the phrase between the river and the sea at a pro Palestine Rally. Are they pro Palestine Rally. Are they saying that that comment is now allowed and its not anti semitic . Well have more on that in a moment. Im Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news welcome back. Its 450. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. Now to labours controversial decision to restore the whip to the mp who used the phrase between the river and the sea in a speech at a pro Palestine Rally. Andy macdonald, whos the mp for middlesbrough , lost the whip middlesbrough, lost the whip last october but a labour spokesman has said their investigation concluded that he had not engaged in conduct that was against the partys rule book. Well, there we go. So to react to this, were joined by former labour mp stephen pound. Stephen always a pleasure to have you on the show. This will come as quite a shock to a lot of people who saw, for example, that phrase projected onto big ben, an anti semitic phrase that sort of shamed our nation. Now its okay for labour mp to say it. Its back in the fold. Whats your take on this . Im sorry, martin, you know, lets lets follow the excellent example of your previous interviewee and try get a bit interviewee and try to get a bit of in on this. First of of balance in on this. First of all, andy, wasnt he didnt all, andy, he wasnt he didnt lose the whip. It was what they call an administrative suspension. Suspended suspension. He was suspended while he used while they investigated. He used that october that expression in october last yeah that expression in october last year. Also said in that very year. He also said in that very same that very same same speech, in that very same sentence, called, there must sentence, he called, there must be palestinians be peace for the palestinians and israelis to live and the israelis to live together in peace. And he was actually attacked at that time for contemplating idea for even contemplating the idea of solution. Now of a twin state solution. Now anyone who uses that expression since october last year, quite rightly, would be hauled over the coals and accused of fanning the coals and accused of fanning the flames. And he used that the flames. And he used that expression the in expression back in the in october, and anybody october, and hardly anybody outside, you know, a few people like, you know, maybe yourself and are and a few people are particularly on this particularly up to speed on this even expression. What even knew that expression. What the thing, a key thing is, the other thing, a key thing is, unlike abbott, youll unlike diane abbott, who youll doubtless mentioning, doubtless be mentioning, whos been a bucket been sort of dumping a bucket over the labour party in todays guardian, and been quietly guardian, and hes been quietly getting on working with this awful the horror of the tees valley nonsense up valley freeport nonsense up there in his constituency. So hes apologised. Hes hes apologised. He said hes deeply sorry. He said it at the time, but he also said israelis and palestinians have to in and palestinians have to live in peace. Hes a decent bloke peace. So hes a decent bloke and i think its quite right that hes actually had the suspension lifted. Okay, steve, im glad you mentioned diane abbott because as reports just come in that angela , of course, as Angela Rayner, of course, as deputy leader of the labour party, is saying she would like to see diane abbott back as a labour mp. And of course, this is following on from the, the allegations means that the tory donor made about miss abbott. Lets remind ourselves of why diane abbott lost the labour party whip. She said that jews, irish and travellers are not subject to racism all their lives. She was thrown out of the party for racism and now Angela Rayner appears to want her back in the party because. Because diane abbott experienced racism some of their own, it seems that the labour party are quite happy to forgive racism when its one of their own. But if its somebody else, theyre calling for their heads. Well, hang on a second, diane abbott said a bit than abbott said a bit more than that. Actually referred to that. She actually referred to the situation in which jews and irish excluded, irish travellers were excluded, people red she people having red hair. She actually association actually made a association of people suffering from red hair. It may be difficult for you to believe, but once upon a time i had hair and never had red hair and id never remotely the remotely compare. You know, the sort hassle i used to get. Sort of hassle i used to get. You know, all all the nonsense used to get being used to get from being called a ginger horrors of the ginger to the horrors of the jews many people jews and so many other people have so thats i think have suffered so thats i think thats issue. As thats a different issue. As for, rayners comment and for, Angela Rayners comment and Harriet Harman the same Harriet Harman said the same thing, know, you know, thing, you know, you know, were damned if and were damned damned if we do and were damned if we dont. In the old if we dont. In the poor old labour party, they used to say that all on that were actually all on message were by message and were driven by these pages, and we never departed and we departed from the script, and we always thing. Always said the same thing. Nowadays, of us express an nowadays, a few of us express an individual opinion and suddenly, you getting you know, we were getting buckets tipped over buckets of ordure tipped over us. Of people, us. So i think a lot of people, steven would, say with steven would, would say with some justification that Diane Abbotts comments were blatantly racist. Racist. And now it appears that shes shes forgiven. Shes served some time as an independent, same as mr mcdonald. And they same as mr mcdonald. And they got told off slap on the wrist. And now come on, youre welcome back into the fold. Dont think that sends out concerning message. No, its totally different. Andy mcdonald has Andy Andy Mcdonald has apologised day one. Hes apologised from day one. Hes actually on with job actually got on with his job being damn up in being a damn good mp up in middlesbrough. Hasnt written middlesbrough. He hasnt written articles has articles like diane abbott has in has in todays guardian, which has made those made it very difficult for those of like to have of us who would like to have more in the labour party. More people in the labour party. Id rather have in than id rather have people in than out labour party. Its out of the labour party. Its made very difficult. Made it very, very difficult. Its cant its also you cant compare apples what andy apples and oranges. What andy said he said it was apples and oranges. What andy said much he said it was apples and oranges. What andy said much off he said it was apples and oranges. What andy said much off the 1e said it was apples and oranges. What andy said much off the cuff. D it was apples and oranges. What andy said much off the cuff. Att was very much off the cuff. At a meeting, Diane Abbotts letter, she wrote to one of the sunday newspapers, think the newspapers, i think it was the observer newspaper was calculated, observer newspaper was cal< stephen, observer newspaper was cal news. Good afternoon. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. More heavy downpours to come tomorrow. It wont rain all day. There will be some brighter spells and another pretty mild day in the south, but you know its not going to be completely dry when low pressure is dominating this one sitting right as these weather right over. As these weather fronts been providing fronts have been providing persistent through the day, persistent rain through the day, it overnight it stays very soggy overnight across and southern across central and southern scotland, showers elsewhere and some decent, drier spells developing over the midlands and Eastern England before more heavy showers come into wales and southwest england through the hours. Could be the the early hours. Could be the odd thunder mixed in odd rumble of thunder mixed in with the winds gusting with that and the winds gusting up a very mild night with that and the winds gusting up most, a very mild night with that and the winds gusting up most, a aary mild night with that and the winds gusting up most, a a bitmild night with that and the winds gusting up most, a a bit chilly1ight with that and the winds gusting up most, a a bit chilly inht for most, but a bit chilly in northern where touch northern scotland, where a touch of is about possible. Of frost is just about possible. A start then, with the rain a cold start then, with the rain over of scotland, over a good part of scotland, although not as heavy as today, it stays pretty and damp it stays pretty dull and damp through scotland for through southeast scotland for most the day. Elsewhere itll most of the day. Elsewhere itll be a of spells and be a case of bright spells and some showers, some heavy showers, early on showers, particularly early on and then later on through the afternoon. Of course, Eastern England, some brightness, though for ireland. West for northern ireland. West coast of chilly side of scotland on the chilly side here, whereas in the south again into bit of into the teens a bit of brightness in Eastern England could 15 or 16 could see highs of 15 or 16 temperature dropping there on friday night. Saturday friday night. So saturday starts with many. I suspect with a frost for many. I suspect much Eastern England, much of Eastern England, Northern England and scotland will on saturday. Will stay dry on saturday. Further west, the cloud thickening all the while with outbreaks of rain at trickling in again reasonably mild in the south, forget in again reasonably mild in the sout be forget in again reasonably mild in the sout be bit forget in again reasonably mild in the sout be bit of forget in again reasonably mild in the sout be bit of a forget in again reasonably mild in the sout be bit of a chilly rget in again reasonably mild in the sout be bit of a chilly start. Will be a bit of a chilly start. Looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news. A very good afternoon to you. Its 5 pm. And welcome to the Martin Daubney show on gb news. Broadcasting live from the heart of westminster all across the uk. And todays show. Government minister michael gove has announced long awaited announced that long awaited crackdown on extremism and hes named five groups, including three muslim organisations , three muslim organisations, which he said could be investigated next. William and harry will appear at the same event tonight, but theres no sign of the royal rift coming to an end. Any time soon. And nigel farage is next political move is keeping everyone on their toes , keeping everyone on their toes, with some saying a comeback could be a fatal blow for the floundering conservative party. Will our very own gb news presenter mock the end for the tories . And theres the 101 year old woman whos leading the fight to get whats been branded the most potholed road in england fixed. Shes an absolute trouper. Will have the full details on that and all of those other cracking stories coming up in your next hour. Other cracking stories coming up in your next hour. Thank the in your next hour. Thank the show and thanks for joining in your next hour. Thank the show and thanks forjoining us. Show and thanks for joining us. Weve had a cracking show so far. So much to go at. Michael goves announcement today about clamping down on extremism , five clamping down on extremism, five groups named three of them muslim groups with a shady past, two on the right wing we looked into one of them hasnt even existed since the 1960s, and the other one, the biggest crime we could unearth , was somebody was could unearth, was somebody was arrested for and jailed for racist stickers. Well be diving into the true threats we had a police and crime commissioner on earlier who said the threat is far over on the left and the islamist side of things, and the Counter Terror expert shedding some further light on it. Were having a full, balanced conversation here. Let me know what you think about this topic thats dividing the nation. Vaiews gbnews. Com. But first, its vaiews gbnews. Com. But first, wsfime vaiews gbnews. Com. But first, its time for your latest news headunes its time for your latest News Headlines wenzler. Headlines with sophia wenzler. Thanks, martin. Good afternoon. Its 5 02. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story this hour. Michael gove has named some of the groups to be investigated under a new definition of extremism, which she says will mean the government can express more clearly than ever who poses a risk to britain. The groups include some alleged to have islamist views, as well as others which are described as neo nazi. Todays new extremism definition will be used to assess which groups should be blocked from public funding. But michael gove insists its not about silencing those with private and peaceful beliefs. Private and peaceful beliefs. We have to be clear eyed about the threat we face, precise about where that threat comes from and rigorous in defending our democracy. That means holding freedom of expression, religion and belief when they are threatened, facing down harassment and hate, supporting the communities facing the greatest challenge from extremist activity and ensuring this house and this country are safe, free and united. Some conservative backbenchers have suggested the new definition lands in no mans land, neither Strong Enough to tackle true extremism nor protect opposing views. Labour leader sir keir starmer says there are new threats which must be tackled together. Be tackled together. The debate about extremism has to be taken very, very seriously because there hasnt really been a review of extremism now for a number of years. There are new threats and years. There are new threats and it is important, therefore, that we all come together to look at the question of extremism and what action is now needed. What i would say is that this will only work if it is truly cross party and not divisive, and thats the spirit in which i want to enter this discussion in relation to extremism. Relation to extremism. Sir keir starmer speaking there. Now mps are getting a pay rise with an inflation busting 5. 5 boost, pushing salaries to around £91,000. It means pay will increase by more than £4,700 next year, or almost £400 extra each month. The westminster watchdog says its in line with an award for senior Civil Servants , but its above Civil Servants, but its above inflation, which is just 4. Russia has been accused of disrupting the gps signal on the defence secretarys plane en route to poland. The incident occurred as the raf jet flew close to the edge of kaliningrad. Gps navigation and Internet Access was lost for around 30 minutes during the flight, but the pilots have confirmed the aircraft was never at risk. The incident happened as grant shapps visited british troops participating in nato exercises in poland. A review into air Traffic Control issues that caused widespread chaos dunng that caused widespread chaos during last august Bank Holiday Weekend has found some engineers were working from home. Nearly 750,000 passengers were disrupted when flights were grounded at uk airports on the 28th of august. It was after National Air Traffic services suffered a technical glitch. An suffered a technical glitch. An interim report found a lack of rehearsal for an incident of its nature and scale, and a significant lack of pre planning by the chief of deliveroo, says the effects of high inflation on food are starting to recede after rising costs, or customers paying after rising costs, or customers paying more money for fewer orders. Will shu says cost of orders. Will shu says cost of living increases saw many consumers tightening their budget and forgoing takeaway dinners. He said food inflation was outpacing wages by about 2 to 1, putting a squeeze on spending power. Economists expect inflation to fall over the coming months , helped in the coming months, helped in part by Lower Energy Costs , and part by Lower Energy Costs, and scotlands former Health Secretary has been found to have breached the code of conduct after an investigation into the £11,000 bill he racked up on a parliamentary ipad. Michael matheson quit his role in the wake of the scandal over his data roaming charges, which he racked up while on holiday in morocco over christmas 2022. He later admitted that his teenage sons use a parliamentary device as a hotspot to watch football. A full report into his spending is expected to be released in the coming months. And prince the coming months. And Prince William has expressed concern about the amount of time children spend on phones as he visited a youth club today. He was visiting new £12 Million Centre called west, which stands for when everyone sticks together. The prince asked some of the children how long they spend on their phones, with one girl saying she spends up to 15 hours a day. The future king said grown ups were also guilty of excessive screen time and said weve all got to be better at managing it. Said weve all got to be better at managing it. And for the at managing it. And for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news common alerts. Now its back to. Martin. Thank you sofia. Now we start with the governments long awaited clampdown down on extremism, and michael gove has named five groups, including three muslim organisations , that three muslim organisations, that will be investigated over extremism fears. And im joined extremism fears. And im joined in the studio by our political edhon in the studio by our Political Editor, Christopher Hope. Chris an astonishing day. Finally, michael gove vowing to clamp down on extremism, named three muslim groups two by his definition from the far right. And, will it have proper teeth . Will we actually clamp down, or is it yet more lip service . This is an attempt, i think, to squeeze the money going into these different, these extremist groups as a government would describe them. 2011 they just they worked out what they thought extremism was, with this prevent is run prevent strategy, which is run by the communities part of the government, the communities department, not the home office, its the soft they its kind of the soft way they try and people becoming, try and stop people becoming, radicalised. They realise radicalised. But they realise that not going that well. That its not going that well. Some of the groups named in parliament today, five groups, two on the far right, three on the, the, on the muslim side the, on the, on the muslim side of the argument, some have received charitable money and thatis received charitable money and that is frustrating, i think, for ministers. Think when they for ministers. I think when they can when you can can be caught, when you can prescribe of as prescribe some of them as extremist groups , that i mean, extremist groups, that i mean, the trustees these charities the trustees of these charities cant money. And cant give them money. And thats start squeezing thats how you start squeezing and pressure on to and put pressure on them to try and put pressure on them to try and bring their reign and bring bring in their reign in their activities. Interesting at its interesting looking at the the muslim the groups name, the muslim engagement and discipline, mend the foundation the Henry Jackson foundation said islamists said that that is islamists masquerading civil masquerading as civil libertarians. In 2017, islamophobia awareness week, they hosted hate preachers, incitement to violence. They call for Corporal Punishment against jewish people , against jewish people, homosexuals and minority muslims. Cage they were sympathetic with those in Guantanamo Bay , but then invited Guantanamo Bay, but then invited a release. Al qaeda terrorist to speak at a conference in britain and the Muslim Association of britain today. And the Muslim Association of britain today. And michael gove britain today. And michael gove himself said that the palestinian version of that is hamas. He said everything in parliament, of course, but he was able to in terms of being protected by privilege and many of those things happened many years ago, by the way, and its some might say, why is the government taking so long to look at this definition and try and funding on, and squeeze the funding on, on groups which, which are groups which, which, which are saying these kinds of things . Of course, of the five mentioned, theyll be looked at by the government, the home government, by the home secretary, cleverly, and secretary, james cleverly, and Michael Community michael gove, the Community Secretary. Theyll weigh up whether should dubbed whether there should be dubbed extremists. More will be added to list. When that list to that list. And when that list emerges 2 or 3 weeks time, emerges in 2 or 3 weeks time, therell be a big row. Some of therell be a big row. Some of the the high the groups will go to the high court. Way they can court. The only way they can appeal getting appeal it is by getting a judicial review of the decision made. Made by the ministers. So i were at the start of i think were at the start of what will be a big row. And also there are concerns denied, denied mr today on gb denied by mr gove today on gb news some groups may may news that some groups may be may be hooked this extremism be hooked in by this extremism definition they shouldnt definition and they shouldnt be such as anti abortion groups, faith groups , to Christian Faith groups, to christian groups, this kind of thing. Theyre concerned they could be hooked in sitting on the right of the tory party. Now do we think that weve had a police and crime commissioner on the show earlier on weve had a Counter Terrorism experts , an attempt to quantify experts, an attempt to quantify the tangible, the actual threat. The tangible, the actual threat. And do we think that weve left out some groups here. I mean the police and crime commissioner there are a lot of the violence is from the far left. But they werent even mentioned today. They today. They werent today. The future. They might be in the future. So is the so i think this is the beginning. Think there beginning. I think there are concerns that how far do these will definition of will this definition of definition it definition be stretched. And it could be stretched too by could be stretched too far by future governments. I mean, anyone future governments. I mean, anyorshould be controlled or in state should be controlled or in some least kept watch some way, or at least kept watch on by parliament, might be alarmed certainly the alarmed by this. Certainly the free speech it may be Free Speech Union is it may be used future governments to used by future governments to crack down speech. And crack down on free speech. And thats a worry. And we this will and do we think this will have any teeth . Mean, what have any teeth . I mean, what will happen because will actually happen because weve already heard that some of these organisations may well contest and courts. Contest this and courts. Well, the only teeth will well, the only teeth it will have in the civil have is really in the civil courts. Not a criminal courts. Its not a criminal thing. Its trying to trying to for government these for the government to say these groups think groups are, we think are extremists. Will stop extremists. And that will stop Central Government giving them money. Governments money. And the governments hoping down to hoping that will cascade down to the maybe to ngos and voluntary sector think twice sector to say, think twice before donating to them. Thanks for okay. Super. Thanks for joining us chris. Hope loads to talk there and joining us talk about there and joining us now is the director at the International Organisation to preserve human rights, mattie heaven, what a name. Mattie, heaven, what a name. Mattie, thanks for joining us. Heaven, what a name. Mattie, thanks forjoining us. So a lot of tough talk today in parliament. How confident are you that this will actually translate into action to stamping out these groups , good stamping out these groups, good afternoon, martin, and thank you for having me. And hello to all the viewers in gb news, i really welcome this new definition. It was time we needed. Its been a long time, i can tell you, as a director of International Organisation to preserve human rights, weve been for 15 years trying to highlight the rise of extremism, especially focusing on islamist extremism, where they hijacked the religion of islam and continue to recruit using the religion of islam , and using the religion of islam, and radicalise people. And this has grown significantly. And we witnessed it more and more in the last 12 months. So i think it is so critical for us to have that definition , and i believe that definition, and i believe that definition, and i believe that those people who say this will divide us, it will not. It will divide us, it will not. It will actually unite the right people together , because people together, because currently what were seeing is the rise of islamist extremism growing as a result. What they will do, they feed off the far right extremism. And its not right extremism. And its not helping the situation. But what we need to understand and distinguish and what weve been trying to say for the last 15 years, is that these people who use the name of religion, they use the name of religion, they use mosques, they use charity organisations, they are hiding on the name of islam. And thats the problem has been and thats the problem has been and thats the way they can recruit people and they radicalising our youth. Thatis and they radicalising our youth. That is a real serious problem. And, you know, funding, stop funding them is one step. But i will go one step further and say those people because they could get funding from outside of uk too. And there are times we know that Iranian Regime is one of those funders. I mean, my husband being , was on hunger husband being, was on Hunger Strike because of this reason for, you know, back in 12, 12 months ago, vahid beheshti. So, months ago, vahid beheshti. So, i just think that its important that we need to tackle it. We have a serious issue , and this have a serious issue, and this is not going to go away. Its become its growing and growing. Its dangerous, and its taking actually freedom of speech away. Because what ive noticed is that these extremists, they use again using the islam and anyone who condemns their action, they constantly hide on the name of islamophobia. And i believe that islamophobia. And i believe that this will tackle even islamophobia , because it will islamophobia, because it will distinguish with people who are practising islam. Those people who are moderate, they want to get on with their life. They dont want to preach hate. Those people who are using the islam to brainwash people and recruit people. And that is the distinction that is so important that for our society to understand and stop giving them a platform, that is people are afraid to speak out. Mattie, can i interject and ask you a question . Do you think that a lot of these groups initially, were masquerading as being a helpful force . For example, muslim engagement and discipline mend, who were name checked by michael gove. Today, the Henry Jackson foundation said that they are islamists masquerading as civil libertarians , and a lot of these libertarians, and a lot of these groups are getting funding , groups are getting funding, maybe from politicians who think theyre doing the right thing, who think theyre trying to address islam phobia, but in actual fact, perhaps opportunists are in there getting government money to press, perhaps a more nefarious agenda. Very much so. Thats whats been happening. The opportunists know that. And thats their platform. Theyve been growing, using politicians or using again, i think is a wrong way to say diversity because theyre actually divide adding people by why we never hear about this organisation talking about bringing people together , bringing people together, bringing people together, bringing different faiths together. Its about anti semitism. Its about hate anti semitism. Its about hate speech. I anti semitism. Its about hate speech. I mean, what i believe that in a Tolerant Society we cannot tolerate intolerance. If cannot tolerate intolerance. If we tolerate intolerance, thats appeasing to them. And we need to take a very, very firm stand and stand strong against these rises of extremism that that now were witnessing in, in our society. Okay. Thank you very much for joining us. Mattie haven, who is the director of the International Organisation to preserve human rights. Thank you very forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show. Fascinating stuff. Now you get that story on get lots more on that story on our website. And thanks to you. Gbnews. Com the fastest gbnews. Com is the Fastest Growing National News website in the its breaking the country. Its got breaking news and all of the brilliant analysis that come to analysis that youve come to expect now spring expect from gb news. Now spring is in the air and so is your chance to win a garden gadget package, a shopping spree, and an incredible £12,345 12345 in tax free cash. And heres how tax free cash. And heres how you can make those prizes yours. Weve got cash, treats and a spnng weve got cash, treats and a spring shopping spree to be won in a Great British giveaway. You could win an amazing £12,345 in tax free cash. Plus theres a further £500 of shopping vouchers to spend at your favourite store. Well also give favourite store. Well also give you a gadget package to use in your garden this spring. That includes a games console, a pizza and portable, smart pizza oven and a portable, Smart Speaker so can listen to gb speaker so you can listen to gb news the go for another news on the go for another chance to win the vouchers. The treats and £12,345 in tax free cash. Treats and £12,345 in tax free cash. Text gb win to 84 902. Cash. Text gb win to 84 902. Text cost £2 plus one Standard Network rate message or post your name and number two gb gb03, p. O. Box 8690, your name and number two gb gb03, po. Box 8690, derby dh1 nine, double t, uk. Only entrants must be 18 or over. Blinds close at 5 pm. On friday. The 29th of march. Full terms and Privacy Notice at gbnews. Com forward slash win. Please check the closing time if watching or listening on demand. Good luck. Good luck. Now labours deputy leader Angela Rayner has said shed like to see diane abbott back as a party mp in the labour party. A party mp in the labour party. Seriously, i Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel welcome back. Its 521. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news now, later this hour , ill hear from the this hour, ill hear from the 101 year old woman whos campaigning for her local council to repair whats been called the most potholed road in britain. What an absolute legend she is. Now, lets get more on the story. I broke in the last hour and its deputy leader of the labour party. Angela rayner has said that she would like to see diane abbott back as a labour party mp. Former shadow home secretary mr abbott has sat as an independent mp since last april, of course, and the labour whip was withdrawn following a letter she sent to the observer newspaper suggesting jewish, irish and traveller people are not subject to racism quotes all their lives. Well, our Political Correspondent Katherine Forster joins me in the studio and she heard Angela Rayner make those remarks earlier today. Catherine, its an astonishing thing to say dynamic has been the news this week. Of course, the news this week. Of course, the news this week. Of course, the tory donor said allegedly racist things about her. Now it seems that that means that diane abbott should be allowed back into the party with a free pass. Like what she said has been scratched off card because scratched off the card because somebody racist to her. Somebody was racist to her. Please and help make please try and help me make sense of this. You were there. Yes. I was this lunch oh yes. I was at this lunch with with Angela Rayner, deputy labour , and yes, labour leader, earlier, and yes, she did say she would like to see diana abbott readmitted to the party. Lets just refresh our memories of the reason why she had the whip removed last april. She wrote a comment piece in which she basically said that, irish people, travellers, jewish people didnt experience racism in the same way as , as racism in the same way as, as black people because they didnt experience it all their lives. Now, obviously, when millions of jews died in the holocaust, when there were anti semitic attacks, still going on, this was seen by many keir starmer to as being anti semitic. It caused outrage. Anti semitic. It caused outrage. She apologised, but she had the whip taken away and what this conservative row over race and Frank Hesters comments has done is put the spotlight back onto diane abbott, because, of course, frank hester reported , course, frank hester reported, ridley said she should be shot. Ridley said she should be shot. So nearly a year on, she still been cast out of the labour party. And there is an investigation ongoing. But really, how long does it take to decide what to do now . We pressed, sir Keir Starmers spokesman yesterday on this, and all he would say is i cant comment this is an ongoing independent investigation , ian, independent investigation, ian, nothing to see here. Basically but of course there is a general election coming, a decision will have to be made sooner or later on what to do. And a lot of people will suspect that theyre deliberately dragging their heels because if they readmit her, as Angela Rayner has said, shed like to see, a lot of people will say, this was anti semitic. Youve readmitted somebody whos made anti semitic comments. You havent driven an anti semitism from the party, as youve claimed that you have. Youve claimed that you have. And on the other hand, if they say no , no, were not going to say no, no, were not going to give you back the whip, youre out of labour for good. What sort of message does that send . Because she was, of course, the first female black mp female mp to be elected to parliament. You know, shes been a trailblazer in many ways. So i think both options, whichever way they go, are difficult. And theres this process going on. Its very opaque. But, whatever the outcome, theres trouble for laboun but a lot of people will be saying, you know what . What Angela Rayner is endorsing here is what diane abbott said , and is what diane abbott said, and it offended a huge amount of people. Were in a time where anti semitism is worse than weve ever seen it in the country. Is this politics all about timing . Is this really the right time to be to be dangling a carrot just to be like diane abbott . Yeah but by the same token, you know, they can say, well, diana but apologised. Realised shed messed up. She realised shed messed up. She apologised. She deserves to be forgiven in exactly the same way that the conservative party is currently going. Frank hester made offensive comments. They were wrong. They were racist. Were wrong. They were racist. Hes apologised. Lets move on. So you know it works both ways. But i suspect and i was talking earlier to somebody whos been through the experience that diane abbott is going through now. Its all very opaque. Its very unpleasant for the person concerned, but you know, diane abbott yesterday in, in pmqs, standing up again and again and again trying to get the eye of the speaker, trying to get a question now, he said it was because he didnt have time. And the way it works didnt the way that it works didnt allow do that. And sir allow him to do that. And sir keir starmer went spoke to keir starmer went and spoke to diane abbott at the end and reportedly weve heard this second hand, she said that shed like the whip back because, you know, theyre making supportive noises to her. But at the moment they that support does not extend to letting her back in the labour party. Another hoo ha on the labour party. Katherine forster, fabulous stuff. Thank you very much for joining fabulous stuff. Thank you very much forjoining us. Now, Prince William prince harry will much forjoining us. Now, prince willi appear prince harry will much forjoining us. Now, prince willi appear atince harry will much forjoining us. Now, prince willi appear at an; harry will much forjoining us. Now, prince willi appear at an event will both appear at an event honounng both appear at an event honouring their late mother, princess if Princess Diana, tonight. But if you thought if youre hoping this the start of a this could be the start of a thawing in relations between the two afraid two brothers, well, im afraid youre to be very youre going to be very disappointed. And im joined now by former bbc royal by the former bbc royal correspondent, the legend that is michael, what is michael cole. Michael, what on earth would Princess Diana think of this hoo ha looking down upon the pair of them, you absolutely summed it up. That is the nub of the question , ian. These are the question, ian. These are the diana awards. Diana loved her diana awards. Diana loved her sons to the nth degree. I sons to the nth degree. I remember not very long before she was so tragically killed. I said to her, the boys were getting teenagers. And i said to her, youve really bred some height back into the royal family because the royal family tended to be short and she said, and good looks, michael, and good looks and she really loved those boys. And she always those boys. And she always believed that they would be there for each other, forever covering each others backs, supporting each other. Strangely enough , she was believed that enough, she was believed that that prince harry, good king harry, as she called him, would be make the better king. Well i think she was wrong there, because Prince William is showing every sign of being an excellent king when his turn comes , so she would be comes, so she would be distraught to think that they are at daggers drawn as they are. Martin, it wasnt always like that. There, you see them as children. They couldnt have been closer. Their later in life with her, on a happy occasion and at their home together in a beautiful springtime , scene, she beautiful springtime, scene, she would be terribly upset. And the would be terribly upset. And the fact that they havent reconciled and have no prospect of it would be upsetting her. In fact, it may be a mercy she cant see it, but it should be remembered that, after the. The what . The prince and princess of wales, as they are now, william and catherine married in 2011. Harry almost lived with them. He was in their their their apartments at Kensington Palace all the time , he was very close all the time, he was very close with catherine. They got on terribly well. It was a wonderful relationship. I think maybe Prince William might have been a little bit jealous every now and then. And all that, of course. Tragically changed post. Meghan thats whats happened. And im sure were diana looking down as im sure she will be on tonights proceedings. If she could have a wish, if she could have an award, if she could get something from this evenings proceedings, it would be some reconciliation between her two sons. But i fear, martin, i fear that thats going to be a long way off. Michael cole. Beautifully put, emotive and wonderful words. Thank you. Its wonderful words. Thank you. Its always a pleasure to have you on the show. Michael cole, bbc royal correspondent. Yeah, i just wonder what you think watching this happening. Watching all this happening. Well, theres lots more to well, theres lots more still to come between now and if come between now and 6 00 if nigel farage returns to frontline politics, would that mean oblivion for the tories in the general election . Well, the next general election . Well, first, its your latest news headunes first, its your latest News Headlines wenzler. Headlines with sophia wenzler. Thanks, martin. Its 530. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your headlines. Michael gove has named some of the groups to be investigated under a new definition of extremism, which she says will mean the government can express more clearly than ever who poses a risk to britain. The groups a risk to britain. The groups include some with alleged islamist views and others which are described as neo nazi. Todays new extremism definition will be used to assess which groups should be blocked from pubuc groups should be blocked from public funding. But the communities secretary insists its not about silencing those with private and peaceful beliefs. Mps are getting a pay beliefs. Mps are getting a pay rise with an inflation busting 5. 5 boost, pushing salaries up to around £91,000. It means pay will increase by more than £4,700 next year, or almost £400 extra each month. The westminster watchdog says its in line with an award for senior Civil Servants, but its above inflation, which is just 4. A review into air Traffic Control issues that caused widespread chaos during last august bank houday chaos during last august Bank Holiday Weekend has found some engineers were working from home. Nearly 750,000 passengers were disrupted when flights were grounded at uk airports on the 28th of august. It was after National Air Traffic services suffered a technical glitch. A report found a lack of rehearsal for an incident of its nature and scale, and a significant lack of pre planning , and the lack of pre planning, and the prince of wales has expressed concerns about the amount of time children spend on phones as he visited a youth club in london today. The prince asked some of the children how long they spend on their phones, with one girl saying she spends up to 15 hours a day. The future king said grown ups will also guilty of excessive screen time and said weve all got to better said weve all got to get better at managing it. And for the latest sorry, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews. Com alerts. Gbnews. Com alerts. For a valuable legacy your family can own , gold coins will family can own, gold coins will always shine bright. Rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report , and news Financial Report, and heres a quick snapshot of todays markets. The pound will buy you 1. 2752 and ,1. 1715. The price of gold is £1,696. 23 per ounce, and the ftse 100 closed the day at 7743 points. Rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report. Report. Thank you sophia. Now throughout the show, ive been asking for your emails. Absolutely hundreds and hundreds have in the top topic today have come in the top topic today is this clamp down on extremism. Karen an excellent point. Karen makes an excellent point. I want to read this one out. She said here the threat isnt coming from right. Its coming from the far right. Its coming from the far right. Its coming from the far right. Its coming from the far left. As your police and crime commissioner earlier, commissioner guest said earlier, only gb news is speaking the truth on this topic. What we try our best, karen. Now for some more common sense. Im joined by michelle juby, the queen of prime time politics. Michelle, welcome to the show. Hello, maam. Always a pleasure. What maam. Always a pleasure. What do you got for us tonight . Well, of course well be picking the extremism picking up on the extremism conversation picking up on the extremism con but ation picking up on the extremism conbut ition want look at a but i also want to look at a few things tonight as few other things tonight as well. For example, well. So for example, halifax. Now going to cap their now theyre going to cap their mortgage, age rates at 70 years of age. So should you be able to. Dont forget martin. Right. Lets talk about increasing the retirement age this country. Retirement age in this country. So shouldnt you be to so why shouldnt you be able to push mortgage past the age push your mortgage past the age of to help make life a little of 70 to help make life a little bit easier this moment in bit easier at this moment in time . Also want to ask as time . I also want to ask as well, postmasters , scandal. Well, the postmasters, scandal. We all know about that now. The children though of these subpostmasters, they are saying as that they want as well that they want compensation for the impact its all on their lives. So all had on their lives. So i want to look at that. Of course mps salaries as well, £91,000. Ive Kelvin Mackenzie mps salaries as well, £91,000. Ive melin mackenzie mps salaries as well, £91,000. Ive me companynzie mps salaries as well, £91,000. Ive me company tonight and keeping me company tonight and ella whelan one of them says that that 91 grand is an absolute pittance. They should be lot more. The other be paid a lot more. The other one says that they were paid way too money already. Im too much money already. Im looking forward that debate. Looking forward to that debate. Superb dewbs co always has both sides of the balance. Excellent 6 or 7. Thats going to be a corker as usual. Now coming up, ill be to your views on ill be getting to your views on the big the day. The big news of the day. Vaiews gbnews. Com is the email. So get those in asap. So please get those in asap. Ill read out the best. Im Martin Daubney on gb welcome back 538. Were on the final furlongs. Lets get galloping. Furlongs. Lets get galloping. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news now , Martin Daubney on gb news now, could the potential return of nigel farage spell curtains for the tory party . Well, if you didnt think the conservative party were already finished, and the editor of the sunday telegraph , alastair heath, says telegraph, alastair heath, says the final could dealt by the final blow could be dealt by my fellow gb news presenter if he dusts off his electioneering togs. Well, joining us now is the political commentator Stephen Carlton woods. Welcome to the show, stephen. It must be the conservative partys worst nightmare. The polls are already nightmare. The polls are already sinking. Lee anderson has crossed the floor to the reform party. Could nigel farage coming back in, spell disaster . Back in, spell disaster . Well, this is pure speculation. Weve been speculating since christmas, but nigel farage joined the conservative party, and evidently thats not the case anymore, nigels view last october, when i spoke to him about this, he said he couldnt join a party thats not a conservative party. And if he even conservative party. And if he ever, ever did become a conservative party again, he may think it. So i think think about it. So i think thats the end of the story. With regards to nigel farage joining the conservative party, i do think a number of i do think theres a number of people , though, that dont care people, though, that dont care what happens with the conservative party as long as their agenda reaches through. And im talking about the left of the conservative party, because there is clear left because there is a clear left within the conservative party, and they anyone from and they dont want anyone from the to have any influence the right to have any influence within the party. And weve seen people over history thats been slightly to the right, and theyve ousted them out in one way another. So dont think way or another. So i dont think having people from the right is the death of the conservative party i think the lack of having people the right would the people on the right would be the death of conservative party. Death of the conservative party. Stephen, lets, but stephen, lets, hypothesise a stage further and its nigel farage not joining the conservative party, but coming back as the rabble rouser , the Campaign Manager on those open top buses across the red wall, alongside people like lee anderson and perhaps as many as nine others crossing the floor. If all of those runes line up, stephen and people are going to start thinking, well, where is the real conservative party . It might be the reform party with nigel farage and lee anderson at the or is that just going the helm. Or is that just going to let sir keir starmer straight into 10 . Into number 10 . Well, know. I think well, i dont know. I think were missing out another organisation the organisation here called the conservative democratic organisation, David Campbell bannerman currently Campbell Bannerman is currently the chairman of that. And thats, another branch of the conservative that seem to think that, they need to be doing things in a different way. And they were in talks of trying to, get their own way some time ago. Get their own way some time ago. And, they didnt quite get the numbers of support from the right of the party. So you might have little bands of people. Weve seen it in history before with other people doing it like the gang of four that made that. Weve got the liberal democrats from that i dont from that today, so i dont think its really going to have a long term impact on politics. But i do think the conservative party need to have a rethink of what direction going , what direction theyre going, because they seem to be haemorrhaging, haemorrhaging support at the moment. Yeah, thats absolutely one way of looking at it. Thank you very much for joining way of looking at it. Thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show. Political commentator Stephen Carlton woods. And, of course, is course, you know, nigel is keeping his cards very close to his chest will be none the wiser, no doubt. And hes been in the studio pretty soon. Well, coming up, theres the 101 year old whos leading the old woman whos leading the fight to get whats been branded the potholed the worst, the most potholed road in england shes an road in england fixed. Shes an absolute , and well find absolute trouper, and well find out about this in just a moment. I Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel earlier on breakfast. Earlier on breakfast. What do you think . Most people watching this morning really care about funding for the arts . It means a lot in different parts of the country. Parts of the country. Its too expensive to separate and get divorced. Especially if youve got children. Its probably a lot easier just to stay in that unhappy marriage and play away. Yeah. Yeah. News is the home of free tv news is the home of free speech, exemplifies, an approach towards that. You invite on people to your shows who you may and your viewers may violently disagree with, but you think its important to hear every side of the argument from six. Its breakfast on gb news. Welcome back. 545 is your time. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news now , the latest research gb news now, the latest research by facts for eu has revealed that nearly half of nhs staff are not even clinically qualified, further adding to the Health Services bloated bureaucracy. Meanwhile, doctor numbers are up by 19 despite brexit and the claims that doctors from the eu would flood out of the country if we voted to leave. Another bit of project fear that never materialised. Well, i can now speak with nhs doctor bashir mukherjee, who joins us on the show. Welcome to the show bashir. Its always an absolute pleasure. So the first part of this report is, rather concerning and that is almost half of nhs staff now arent medically qualified, clearly meaning that theyre bureaucrats pen pushers. Is that really the way that we should be going . Should be going . I think by the state of the nhs currently , that is a number nhs currently, that is a number that we should be pulling into question, and i think therefore the, you know, if the patients are the core audience that were treating, we really need to look at the number of clinical recruits that were making. Recruits that were making. And we often hear about the massive salaries basher of some of the bureaucrats, the nhs trust chiefs. And again, it begs the question, have we lost priorities . Should we be spending that money on much needed frontline staff rather than pen pushers in the back room . Room . As a frontliner, myself as a clinical, clinical, clinical staff, myself , i would 100 back staff, myself, i would 100 back that definitely just because, we are ultimately treating patients. So considering the waiting list that we have currently considering the state of our a e, i would 100 think that the priority needs to be put on the frontline. In fact, i would push for the priority to be on prevention where the budget is moved more towards primary care. Currently theres 8 of the whole nhs budget that is put towards primary care, whereas we look after so many patients and basher, the part one of this report yesterday revealed that we have had a 42. 6 increase in the number of nhs Staff Members over the past decade, and yet were still seeing, despite record investment going in £182 billion last year, an extra £6 billion in the spring budget. Were still seeing record waiting lists of 7. 7 million. Does that not suggest that the system is broken, that it needs an overhaul . Overhaul . I think we also have to think about that just because we have recruited more does not necessarily mean that the quality of the recruits can be spoken for or were not even taking into consideration the number of people who are leaving the nhs who are on sick leave, which has significantly gone up since pre pandemic to post pandemic. Its almost doubled. And actually, you know , we are and actually, you know, we are seeing those those factors make make a big part of the problem. And do you think that , we and do you think that, we might approach a time where were allowed to have a conversation about restructuring the nhs rather than treating it as something which is sacred, which cannot be looked upon . What about looking at a more progressive system, such as the type we see in germany, where those who can afford to go private should be perhaps encouraged to do relieving encouraged to do so, relieving the burden for those who are unable to afford down the unable to afford that down the food chain 100. The nhs 100 needs reform. And you know we should never be scared of change. But unfortunately we are very much living in the short tum even with the government. They only with the government. They only last five years at a time and no government wants to potentially make rejig the whole system and potentially deal with the consequences of that. The short tum consequences are all we can think about at the moment, but actually we really need to really restructure the whole thing. Think that thing. And i really think that the way the budgeting is done at the way the budgeting is done at the the of waste the minute, the amount of waste thatis the minute, the amount of waste that is there, we need to look at those factors rather than thinking about how much more money we can in, how many money we can put in, how many more of staff we can more recruits of staff we can do. We have to think about working with have and working with what we have and using resources better. Using the resources better. Well, youre speaking absolute common sense there. Its always a pleasure to speak to you. And thats nhs doctor bashir mukherjee. Thank you so much for joining bashir mukherjee. Thank you so much forjoining us on gb news. Excellent now to the story of the 101 year old woman whos leading the fight to get whats been branded the most potholed road in england fixed. Sheila nicholls, whos an absolute legend, lives in the small town of watchet in somerset and the local council has told her in a fellow campaigners its not their responsibility to mend these holes. Our south west of england reporterjeff moody these holes. Our south west of england reporter jeff moody has this report. They call it the most potholed road in england. There are 21 of these holes just on this tiny stretch of road alone, and some of them are really quite deep , a hazard for really quite deep, a hazard for many. A serious danger to the elderly. Sheila nicholls is 101. Shes one of somersets oldest residents, and she lives on the street with her husband, bill. I do feel frightened if its too difficult for the people on the to job do anything about it, we know we cant do anything about it, so its almost as if youre youre at a point. Its hopeless. But yes, completely hopeless. But yes, completely hopeless. But yes, completely hopeless. Someones hopeless. But yes, completely hopeless. Someones going to hopeless. But yes, completely hopeless. Someones going to get hopeless. Someones going to get really hurt. Someones going to get some damage to their car. And then we will appear as a state. We wont be able to use the road. Its serious. Thats all very serious. Very serious. Bill and sheila have been campaigning for months, writing to the council, raising awareness of the state of the road outside their front door along with their neighbours. I mean, we got up a petition, last june, everyone signed it, and we sent it off to the council. We didnt hear a word. So, you didnt hear a word. So, you know, not even a no, were not doing anything or yes, we are doing anything or yes, we are doing anything. Just nothing. As youre awful. And i think that you can say that about potholes, but these are extra special deluxe potholes. A special deluxe potholes. A spokesman for Somerset Council says whilst there are some potholes, the lane carries a pubuc potholes, the lane carries a public footpath which is still accessible for walkers. This lane is a public right of way, not a public road. Therefore the responsibility for the upkeep of this lane is complex and there will need to be a shared approach to maintenance going forward. Residents claim six people have already been injured as a result of the potholes. Of the potholes. The hope is something can be done before anybody else gets hurt. But with no one quite knowing responsible for knowing whos responsible for maintaining the road, its unlikely anything will be done any time soon. Jeff moody, gb news news. What an absolute legend. What an absolute legend. Sheila nicholls is 101 years old. I dont know what shes drinking in her tea. She looks younger than me. My, thats not saying much. And bill. Superb. The whole Community Coming together enough is together and saying enough is enough to the council. How dare they its not their they say its not their responsibility and theyre putting on pensioners to lead putting it on pensioners to lead the charge. Good on them. Excellent. Thats what we need. The very best of british now. Got a quick time to blast through some emails. Youve been sending them in throughout the show. Connor says this on extremism and excellent email. We cant solve the housing crisis. We cant fix the nhs. We cant get people off benefits. We cant stop the boats. We cant stop the disgraceful waste in public spendings, and we cant even fix the potholes. But cant even fix the potholes. But we can spend our precious time arguing over what does or doesnt count as extremism. Connon doesnt count as extremism. Connor, youve hit the nail on the head. Brilliant point on the same topic, keith simply says we want our country back, echoing the words there of a certain lee anderson and sally says this whats our far right extremists . Whats our far right extremists . Because thats what weve been called all along. Simply for voting brexit. Got a quick email here on, mps getting a 5 pay rise thats been announced dunng rise thats been announced during this show. Graeme says this i cannot believe theyre getting an above inflation rise when i cant even afford food on my plate. I thought they were supposed to be there for us. The tax paying public, not for themselves. And i think that is a great point. Theyre raking it in while were having thin gruel. Look, im gonna knock off at this point. Ive been here three till six after this is Michelle Dewberry , six till Michelle Dewberry, six till 7 pm. But first, its time for p. M. But first, its time for your latest weather with alex deegan. Have a fantastic evening i a a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good afternoon. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. More heavy downpours to come tomorrow. It wont rain all day. There will be some brighter spells and another pretty mild day in the south, but you know its not going to be completely dry when low pressure is dominating this one sitting right over. As these weather fronts providing fronts have been providing persistent day, persistent rain through the day, it soggy overnight it stays very soggy overnight across central and southern scotland. Elsewhere , and scotland. Showers elsewhere, and some decent dry spells developing over the midlands and Eastern England before more heavy showers come into wales and southwest england through the early hours. Could be the odd rumble thunder mixed in odd rumble of thunder mixed in with the winds gusting with that, and the winds gusting up as well. A very mild night for bit in for most, but a bit chilly in northern scotland, where a touch of about possible. Northern scotland, where a touch ofcold about possible. Northern scotland, where a touch ofcold then, ut possible. Northern scotland, where a touch ofcold then, with ossible. Northern scotland, where a touch ofcold then, with the le. Northern scotland, where a touch ofcold then, with the rain a cold start then, with the rain over a good part of scotland, although not heavy today, although not as heavy as today, it damp it stays pretty dull and damp through scotland for through southeast scotland for most elsewhere itll most of the day. Elsewhere itll be of bright spells and be a case of bright spells and some showers, some heavy showers, particularly early on and then later on through the afternoon. Of course, Eastern England, some brightness, though for coast for northern ireland. West coast of chilly side of scotland on the chilly side here, whereas in the south again into teens of into the teens a bit of brightness Eastern England brightness in Eastern England could of 15 or 16 could see highs of 15 or 16 temperature dropping there on friday night. Saturday starts friday night. So saturday starts with many. I suspect with a frost for many. I suspect much Eastern England, much of Eastern England, Northern England and scotland will stay dry on saturday for the west, the cloud thickening all the while with outbreaks of rain at trickling again rain at trickling in again reasonably south, reasonably mild in the south, although forget will be a although dont forget will be a bit a chilly start. Bit of a chilly start. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on opinion is divided and many are absolutely furious. So im asking you, is all of this a step in the right direction or not . And mps will be getting a pay not . And mps will be getting a pay rise, taking their salary to a whopping £91,000 a year . Not bad work if you can get it, is it . One of my panellists says this is way too low. The other one says its way too high. What says you . And halifax is going to impose 70 years old as an age limit on many of their mortgages. What do you think to this . Is it a good move . The right one or not . And weve all followed the post Office Horizon scandal, havent we . All the subpostmasters for subpostmasters fighting for compensation now, though many of their children seeking their children are seeking compensation for the impact it all had on their childhood. Do you support that fight or not . Yes, indeed. I look forward to some very robust debates. I can tell you my