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And many people took up the offer. They took the money, they went to rwanda. But what went to rwanda. But what happened as soon as they were in rwanda , they left rwanda and rwanda, they left rwanda and with their £3,000, many of them used that money or not, £3,000, but equivalent in israeli currency use that money to return to europe. Return to europe. Right. So this is actually been tried and tested. This scheme almost. So its been tried in a similar way. But scheme almost. So its been tried in a similar way. But do tried in a similar way. But do you know what were going to be talking later in the show to a man who is in kigali in rwanda. And were going to ask him what exactly can £3,000 get you there . Whats the cost of living like . And do you need to be bnbed like . And do you need to be bribed to move to rwanda . Can you set up a business . Can you . You know, achieve a lot there . Why not . Its there for the taking. Yeah. Big big options, but big, Big Questions to come and frankly, does this get to a bigger question at heart of bigger question at the heart of our system, at the our migration system, at the heart how we control our heart of how we control our borders, which is, frankly, do we . Well, yes , you need to well, yes, you need to control your borders in order to stop people from just trying again. Anyway, let us know what you think. Do you think its a load of rubbish, or do you think theres actually something in it . Work. Gb views at it . It might work. Gb views at gb news. But first your gb news. Com but first your headlines. Tom. Emily, thanks very much. Good afternoon. From the good afternoon. From the newsroom, a look at the headunes newsroom, a look at the headlines at just after 1 00 and first to the commons, where sir keir starmer confronted the Prime Minister earlier over a conservative donors alleged racist comments pressing rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. Frank hester is alleged to have said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot well. In todays Prime Ministers questions, the labour leader asked whether rishi sunak is proud to be supported by someone making such offensive statements. Two weeks ago he marched them out like foals to defend islamophobia. And now the member for ashfield is warming up the opposition benches for them. He wont hand the money back. He wont hand the money back. He wont comment on how convenient it is that a man handed huge nhs contracts by his government is now his partys biggest donor. You have to wonder what the point is of a Prime Minister who cant lead, and a party that cant lead, and a party that cant govern. Cant govern. In response, the Prime Minister did acknowledge that Frank Hesters comments were wrong and he called them racist, but also said that there were double standards in the labour party. Im absolutely not going to take any lectures from somebody, from somebody , from somebody who from somebody, from somebody who chose to represent an anti semitic terrorist group, hizb ut tahrir, who chose to serve a leader who let anti semitism run rife in this labour party. Those are his actions. Those are his values. And thats how he should be judged. Be judged. In other news today, a new law aimed at quashing the wrongful convictions of subpostmasters will be introduced by the government. More than 700 post office staff were found guilty of crimes , were found guilty of crimes, including theft and fraud, because of a faulty. It system. Rishi sunak says the legislation is a crucial step forward towards resolving the largest miscarriage of justice in british history. Labour have welcomed the progress but says it wont be enough to deliver full justice. More than 21,000 households have now been freed from problems leaseholds after some saw their ground rent double. The competition watchdog says the home owners will now see their ground rent returned to where it was when they first purchased their properties. Many purchased their properties. Many leasehold contracts trap people in they find difficult in houses. They find difficult to then sell. The government has banned ground rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune for homes purchased after june 2022, and there were also plans to ban leaseholds for new houses. However, the system would remain for flats. Migrants would remain for flats. Migrants whove been refused asylum in britain could be offered thousands of pounds to move to rwanda. The voluntary scheme would separate, be separate to the safety of rwanda bill, which is facing delays due to a series of amendments. It would extend current returns policies which already see some migrants offered £3,000 to return to their country of origin. Labour their country of origin. Labour says its evidence the governments rwanda plan has no chance of succeeding. However, the home office has defended the scheme , saying voluntary returns scheme, saying voluntary returns are an important part of tackling illegal migration. And Vladimir Putin says hes ready for nuclear war, warning that any us troops who may venture into ukraine will, he says, be treated as interventionists. Speaking on state television, the russian president also said that if the us were to carry out any nuclear tests, russia may do the same. In response, he added that while moscow is technically prepared, the country is not rushing into it. The European Union has today set out the worlds First Comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. The new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector, with the Technology Already used in areas such as everyday banking in cars, smart speakers and even in tvs. The legislation is specific to the use of ai, but is lacking in other regions , and its expected other regions, and its expected the eus new rules will help set the eus new rules will help set the tone for how the world regulates the new technology. Regulates the new technology. And finally, have you ever wanted to be a spy . Well, the uks Intelligence Agency has just the trick with a new online puzzle. If youre watching on tv, you can see here this challenging crack the code puzzle, where you have to identify letters within the image to reveal a hidden message. Its designed to attract people with a unique problem solving skill. The gchq problem solving skill. The gchq says its published the brainteaser to recruit a broader mix of minds who can tackle complex threats from hostile powers. Those are the latest powers. Those are the latest headlines. More in the next half houn headlines. More in the next half hour. But in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Slash alerts. Good afternoon britain rishi sunakis good afternoon britain rishi sunak is under increasing pressure to return £10 million to the conservative party donor, frank hester , who allegedly said frank hester, who allegedly said diane abbott made him want to hate all black women. Yes. The latest row engulfing the conservative party was sir Keir Starmers main attack line dunng Keir Starmers main attack line during todays Prime Ministers questions , with rishi sunak questions, with rishi sunak reiterating his that mr reiterating his line that mr hesters comments were racist and but that remorse and wrong, but that his remorse should be accepted. However, that has not stopped Opposition Mps and even some figures within the conservative party saying the donation to the party should be returned as the money is now tainted. Well, lets discuss this further with gb news Political Editor christopher hope, christopher , thank you very much christopher, thank you very much for joining us. So rishi sunak forjoining us. So rishi sunak is saying that frank hester, the tory donor, has apologised. Therefore, his apologies should be accepted. Hes shown remorse, etcetera, etcetera. Will that etcetera, etcetera. Will that put an end to this . Put an end to this . I think it wont. We havent heard yet from diane abbott. I was surprised she wasnt called , was surprised she wasnt called, in pmqs by the speaker, the pms line is quite clear, mr hester. His remorse should be accepted. Time to move on. But £10 million is an awful lot of money. Clearly, to give to a charity or back to mr hester, and thats allowed , you know, correctly, allowed, you know, correctly, i think other Party Leaders to pile in stephen flynn, the snp leader with the sharpest line, i think, saying the pm was putting money before morals. It got quite, quite mucky there. I think at some point with mr sunak trying to throw back attacks on the labour frontbenchers , andrew rhiannon frontbenchers, andrew rhiannon calling the tory party tories scum in the past, david lammy used the word nazis. In the past. A former shadow chancellor, john mcdonnell, calling for lynching. I think of esther mcvey a few more years ago beyond that. So i think it was a pretty unedifying experience at pmqs there, with lots of language and the tory party trying to obfuscate from the language overnight from mr hester, of course, dating back from 2019. Yes, a sort of plague on all your houses approach, throw mud everywhere. But it did seem to everywhere. But it did seem to me that the line from starmer was really quite peculiar, which is youve taken £10 million from this person. We say this person is racist. This person. We say this person is racist. Now this person. We say this person is racist. Now give this person. We say this person is racist. Now give this this person. We say this person is racist. Now give this racist is racist. Now give this racist £10 million. I mean, its a very odd sort of demand, isnt it . Give this awful person in £10 million. What . I mean, surely he could have come up with a better line than that , or. Line than that, or. Well, he knows it wont happen. Well, he knows it wont happen. I mean, we remember, happen. I mean, we remember, dont we . The liberal democrats took some money, a long time ago. They were under pressure to handit ago. They were under pressure to hand it back from from a billion a billionaire at the time. And they never did. I mean, money will not be handed back £10 million. I think is around half maybe or a quarter of their annual income in central office. Its highly unlikely that money will be handed back. Its probably gone right into the coffers to print leaflets for this years election. I mean, theres no way its going back. So this will be a problem, i think, for the for tory think, for the for the tory party a few more, more party for a few a few more, more weeks and yet. Yes. But, weeks and months yet. Yes. But, clearly, keir starmer used clearly, sir keir starmer used that certainty go after that pmqs certainty to go after this this unfunded this idea, this unfunded National Insurance, tax cut. Now, what hes referring to there is the confusion from last wednesdays budget to the tories want to get rid of National Insurance now at 8 have been cut from 12 since january or not. And if so, where will you find the £46 billion a year to do it that was clearly a bone of contention, which i think the labour party will try and beat up the tories all year now, he seemed to suggest that National Insurance, because theres this widespread understanding amongst the public, a misunderstanding, a that national a misapprehension that National Insurance is whats known as a hypothecated tax, a tax whereby it all goes to pensions or the nhs. Of course, thats not true at all. All taxes go in the same pot. But mr starmer almost was leading. Sunak up a garden path here when he said National Insurance specifically funds the nhs and pensions. Its not true. Nhs and pensions. Its not true. No, its not true. And it used to be when it was brought in originally, that was the idea. It was the state pension and it was funded. We all put money into into our National Insurance and that funded our state pension. But of course, as you say, there are no not not really many hypothecated taxes in this way. And thats why i think he a bit mistaken think he was a bit mistaken there. But we think that labour party will vote for this tax cut, National Insurance, tax cut. There was a vote on the budget last night. More votes expected today , the idea to get expected today, the idea to get rid of it, though we do know the direction of travel is to get rid of the of ni and what that means maybe for pensioners Going Forward they dont pay ni of course, the amendments, but they some pay income and it some do pay income tax and it could problem for them could be a problem for them going i think going into the election. I think the must probably the tory party must probably make before the election make clear before the election what to do with ni, what they want to do with ni, because will be, i think, because this will be, i think, a stick. Which label used to beat the Tory Party Labour got the tory party with labour got their problems, yet they their own problems, yet they havent how fill havent worked out to how fill the their plans the the hole in their plans from the axing non dom tax status. Axing of the non dom tax status. Thats £3 billion a year rachel reeves. Find somewhere. And christopher, just lastly, this £3,000, for failed Asylum Seekers to go off to rwanda voluntarily. Is seekers to go off to rwanda voluntarily. Is this seekers to go off to rwanda voluntarily. Is this the first voluntarily. Is this the first weve heard of this idea . And do weve heard of this idea . And do you get the idea that this is something that the government will definitely do . Will definitely do . Yeah, it is a first. Weve heard of it. £3,000 to fly to rwanda, its people who have lost their asylum cases. And were trying to almost as a country, give people the money to go to rwanda. If you want to go there and you cant go back to the country youve come from because too dangerous, because its too dangerous, clearly the timing is interesting. On ahead interesting. It comes on ahead of when see mps in of monday, when well see mps in parliament to overturn Parliament Voting to overturn changes in the house of lords made to the rwanda bill. And it is a way of getting off is a way of getting flights off the rwanda early, the ground to rwanda early, whether it works, i dont know. It certainly is a novel idea. It certainly is a novel idea. Well, christopher hope, thank you very much for joining us well, christopher hope, thank you very much forjoining us and you very much for joining us and talking through what was a pretty fiery Prime Ministers questions. But lets get more now on the issue over the tory donor and that £10 million and specifically the comments that were made to diane abbott about diane abbott. Because joining us now is Weyman Bennett from stand up now is Weyman Bennett from stand up to racism, a charity that diane abbott is involved with, weyman, first of all, i suppose the biggest question here is what rishi sunak was trying to say, which was the donor has apologised. We need to sometimes be able to move on and forgive people when they have done wrong. Is it possible to forgive someone if theyve said something racist in the past . But its possible if they actually show any form of forgiveness. But what weve had is subterfuge and cover up, you know, to the to her credit, badenoch from the conservative party said it was an open racist, statement, i dont believe that racist should get the chance to self define if theyre not racist , its not up theyre not racist, its not up to them to decide after theyve made their racist statement whether its acceptable for the for the rest of people to accept that large amounts of the black community and many communities in this country are appalled by the level of gutter politics thatis the level of gutter politics that is coming out at the moment in terms of scapegoating and misdirection, in order in order for people not to deal with real politics, i think it was misogyny. I think it was racism. And to be honest with you, im not surprised that theyre not going to give back the money. I think that most of the parties have jumped into the gutter over the question racism, asylum the question of racism, asylum and refugees in terms of its easier to blame those people than deal with the problems that have existed for the last 14 years, blame a minority. Its an old policy. Well, and those are i mean, you cant necessarily conflate, getting tough on asylum and illegal migration with racist comments. Weyman, but do you have you spoken to diane abbott about how shes feeling . Ive sent messages of solidarity to diane, but i do. |, solidarity to diane, but i do. I, you know, one of our meetings which we plan to do in hackney, unfortunately had to be cancelled because the level of threats its not just that people, there are words these words are carried up with their threat of racist attacks, and im sorry. We live still in a country in which a minority of people take it upon themselves to racially abuse people simply because of the melanin content of their skin, and the level of denial that exists at the highest points of government about dealing with these problems and being honest about it. I think it could be if people set themselves some standards of rejecting racism and not using it as a political football in order to gather the racist vote , which is important racist vote, which is important for some Political Parties. Im sure, but i do think its something that we have to reject, and i dont believe that its really been seriously tackled. I dont believe the racism inside the conservative party is being tackled. I dont believe its being tackled by other fringe parties like reform or anything like that. I think that, racism, particularly anti black racism and islamophobia has become , a islamophobia has become, a staple diet of british politics. And its something which we intend to challenge. I believe the overwhelming majority of people in this country reject racism , and they the attempt to racism, and they the attempt to try and galvanise it as a political machine shows the bankruptcy of Political Parties because they cant gather people together unless they use forms of reaction. Wayman, i think its so important that you mentioned how some people want to downplay or deny racism in society. Its something that pervades all parties, not least , of course, parties, not least, of course, the labour party, because it was diane abbott herself who was suspended as a labour mp when she said that jewish people dont face racism. She said that jewish people face discrimination in the same way that ginger people face discrimination. Shes still suspended as a labour mp for that comment, so i suppose this cuts all sorts of ways. Well were very clear as an organisation and that includes, diane, that we oppose anti semitism , islamophobia and anti racism. For anti racism. For us, its not an olympics of which group is more oppressed than the other. We reject all of than the other. We reject all of them. And what i would what i would expect is that if anybody made an anti semitic statement , made an anti semitic statement, made an anti semitic statement, made an anti semitic statement, made a racist statement and islamophobic statement that theyre challenged equally. But what were having is an unequal status given to people dependent upon what people believe will be the political outcome. If they use those different forms of racism. I guess the problem is a lot of people thought reject that. A lot of people did think it was anti semitic, of diane abbott to downplay anti semitism as a, you know, a discrimination against redheads. I mean, that that was a ridiculous comment that was a ridiculous comment that lots of people found deeply offensive. Offensive. And i think if people have listened to dianes apology , we listened to dianes apology, we write what diane said was that when you into a room as a when you walk into a room as a black person, you immediately identify died as a black person, but you might be able to walk into a room if youre white. My white jewish friends tell me this. Yeah, they come back and tell me that persons racist. Theyve said something racist about you, waylon. Right and but they have not been identified. They have not been identified. They dont realise that that persons jewish and would find anti black racism as well as anti semitism offensive. And so what i think is one of the things which were trying to develop is an understanding about how racism works in British Society , and we want to British Society, and we want to reject all forms of racism, anti semitism , islamophobia and anti semitism, islamophobia and anti black racism. Okay were making that clear. Yeah, were going to have to leave it there. But thank you very much indeed for your time. Weyman bennett, who is from stand up to racism. Great to speak to you. Thank you, thank you. Interesting to get womens perspective because of course, diane abbott, very involved with with that charity in that organisation, it is now organisation, although it is now 200, 326 days since diane abbott was suspended from the labour party for her comments about jewish people, i do find it extraordinary. Theres supposedly this investigation into her comments , into her into her comments, into her letter to a newspaper, to the guardian , we havent seen the guardian, we havent seen the conclusion of that investigation. Its been almost a year that shes been suspended. Have the labour party actually been investigating . And if they have been, why has it taken the best part of a year with still no answer . Well, thats a very good question. But still to come, failed question. But still to come, watching. Good afternoon britain, were on gb news. Right. Its 123. And is rishi right. Its123. And is rishi sunaks latest desperate throw of the dice to try and tackle the migrant crisis. What is it . Well, failed Asylum Seekers will be offered £3,000 to encourage them to move to rwanda voluntarily. Under this new scheme , drawn up by ministers. Scheme, drawn up by ministers. Yes. So the aim is to remove tens of thousands of migrants who have no right to remain in the uk but cant be returned to their country of origin. So will they go if theyre given £3,000 . And what . What exactly can you buy with £3,000 in rwanda . Is it enough a new life . Enough to start a new life . Well, lets cross over to rwanda now and speak to adam bradford, a british resident in rwanda , in kigali, if im not rwanda, in kigali, if im not mistaken, adam, first of all, lets lets ask that that big question. How far does £3,000 question. How far does £3,000 go . Where you are , very good question. I mean, i think it really does depend on who you are, what kind of life you want to live. Kind of life you want to live. And, you know, kind of a bit like the uk kigali is a capital. Its like london. Things are more expensive here, than, say, in other parts of the country where its very rural, and much poorer , so it depends on you poorer, so it depends on you really, in terms of what you want to do with that money. I mean, i would say comparative , mean, i would say comparative, lovely. Rwanda is a cheaper place to live than the uk for sure, but probably, you know, if were talking about Asylum Seekers here, that, that kind of money is, you know, probably its not over the top in terms of the amounts of money theyd be spending in their own countries. So, i mean, its it countries. So, i mean, its it depends what kind of life you want to have. But i mean, for instance, i saw some of the figures in the papers today. Theyre not quite correct, but, you know, things are cheaper. You can get a beer for a couple of dollars and things like that, you know , in terms of bread. You know, in terms of bread. Adam, adam, i read that, a pint is 91 pe in kigali. Is that correct , or pint is 91 pe in kigali. Is that correct, or is that an underestimation . Its a bit of an underestimation. It depends where you are. Like if you if you go to a certain place, it might be that if you go somewhere else, it might be 2 or 3 times that, what i would say is it is comparatively cheaper though what were getting at really here is, is £3,000 enough to encourage, someone whos crossed the channel to get to britain, and has failed in their asylum claim to up sticks and head off voluntarily to rwanda to start a new life. Do you think £3,000 is enough . I enough . I think considering the heartache and the turmoil that theyve been through, to have to want to get on a boat or cross the other side of the world to get to britain , be it legally or get to britain, be it legally or illegally, £3,000 is immaterial, i dont get why the government thinks its doing it. I dont understand what they think theyre going to gain from it, you know, i dont think its enough, to go it alone , and enough, to go it alone, and start a new life at all. I think theres a lot more you need than just that cash, and no , i mean, just that cash, and no, i mean, i just to me, wherever you go, be it kigali , be it anywhere be it kigali, be it anywhere else in the world, i think i just, dont understand why were paying just, dont understand why were paying people to not come to our country now. It just seems like a last ditch attempt , of course, a last ditch attempt, of course, you voluntarily chose without a bribe to go across to rwanda. Bribe to go across to rwanda. Clearly, you think its a marvellous place to live. I marvellous place to live. I wonder what will be the considerations that people weighing up this option take into account is rwanda, for example. More or less safe than you found the United Kingdom . We you found the United Kingdom . We often hear about how many stabbings there are in london, for instance, how safe do you feel in kigali, very for instance, how safe do you feel in kigali , very safe, and feel in kigali, very safe, and i would say that, for, for the continent, i mean, rwanda is one of the safest places. Completely. I mean , i think they completely. I mean, i think they said that, like, kigali is one of the safest cities for women to walk through at night, the security and safety here is very good, and thats contrary to what you hear in a lot of the mainstream media. I mean, i saw one particular broadcaster talking about gangs and the thugs walking around, and ive never seen a single one, and thats the truth. Theres nobody making say this like you said, i voluntarily moved here, to pursue different Business Ventures two years ago, and have found a good lifestyle here. And i think, i found a good lifestyle here. And ithink, i dont found a good lifestyle here. And i think, i dont hear of very much crime at all. So well. Yeah. Well, thank you very much for joining us. Really great to speak to you. Adam bradford there, who is a british resident in rwanda. Have a good day. Thank you very much. A very sunny day. I mean, thats the other thing. I mean, i feel like the outfit sort of i goodness me, i love britain. Britain is a fantastic country. But thing could but if theres one thing i could change than maybe dragging change other than maybe dragging us in the us somewhere in the mid atlantic, want to sort mid atlantic, id want to sort of us a bit further of take us a little bit further south make the weather a south just to make the weather a little brighter, a little little bit brighter, a little bit and i noticed there bit sunnier, and i noticed there was sitting, in the was adam sitting, sitting in the blazing rwandan sunshine, and i thought, a jealous. Thought, a bit jealous. Yes. Well, let us know what yes. Well, let us know what you think. Do you think its a good idea, this £3,000, i guess you know, all the Accommodation Costs far more costs here are far more expensive. Costs here are far more exp itisive. Costs here are far more exp it would be saving the it would be saving the taxpayer that is true. If taxpayer money. That is true. If it worked. But it worked. If it worked. But then. The thing is, then. But then the thing is, israel tried it. It wasnt exactly the same, but they did encourage people to move to rwanda, giving them some money. And they said thank you for the money. They went to rwanda and as soon as they got there, they many of them up sticks, left and returned more developed returned to more developed countries. So its not its not perhaps a foolproof mechanism. I mean, i think the problem is at this point, the public dont really trust that any of these schemes will have the desired effect. But anyway, still to come, the brother of disgraced british socialite Ghislaine Maxwell will join us on why shes appealing her conviction for sex trafficking in the United States. But first, heres your News Headlines with sam. Sam. Tom. Emily, thanks very much. Good afternoon. From the newsroom. 130 exactly. A recap of the headlines this hour. Sir keir starmer has confronted the Prime Minister over a conservative donors alleged racist comments, pressing rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. Frank hesters alleged comments dominated Prime Ministers questions this afternoon after he reportedly said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot. The labour she should be shot. The labour leader asked rishi sunak whether he was proud to be supported by someone making such offensive statements. Well, the prime statements. Well, the Prime Minister acknowledged that Frank Hesters comments were wrong and racist, but declined to say whether donations would be whether his donations would be returned. Instead, he called out what he said were double standards in the labour party. A standards in the labour party. A new law aimed at quashing the wrongful convictions of subpostmasters will be introduced by the government. Introduced by the government. More than 700 post office staff were found guilty of crimes, including theft and fraud, because of a faulty it system. Rishi sunak says the legislation is a crucial step towards resolving the largest miscarriage of justice in britains history. Labour have welcomed the progress but says it wont be enough to deliver full justice. More than 21,000 households have now been freed from problematic leaseholds after some saw their ground rent double the competition watchdog says the home owners will now see their ground rent return to where it was when they first purchased their properties. As purchased their properties. As many leasehold contracts trap people in houses, they find difficult to then sell, the government has banned ground rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune rent on new leases for homes purchased after june 2022, rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune 2022, and there are also plans to ban leaseholds for new houses. However, the system would remain for flats and the European Union has set out the worlds First Comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. The new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector, with the Technology Already used in areas such as everyday banking, in cars, smart speakers and even in tvs. Speakers and even in tvs. Legislation specific to the use of ai is lacking in other regions, and its expected the eus rules will help set the tone for how the world regulates the new and emerging technology. The new and emerging technology. Those are the headlines for now. For more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code there on your screen. Or, if youre listening on radio, go to gb news. Com alerts. For a valuable legacy your family can own, gold coins will always shine bright. Rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report , and news Financial Report, and heres a look at the markets this afternoon. The pound will buy you 1. 2802 and ,1. 1701. The price of gold is £1,756. 91 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 7756 points. Rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial i its 136. Its136. Youre watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. Now, the disgraced british socialite Julian Maxwell is set to appear in a new york court to appeal her sex trafficking conviction. Yes. The 62 year round year old was found guilty in 2021 of luring young girls to massage rooms for the convicted paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein to molest between 1994 and 2004. Now. Elaine maxwells lawyer yesterday argued that a previous agreement in two thousand and seven had promised that epsteins Co Conspirators would not be prosecuted. But joining us now is the brother of Ghislaine Maxwell ian maxwell. And ian, thank you for maxwell. And ian, thank you for making the time for us. I suppose looking at this whole affair , it does seem pretty affair, it does seem pretty eyebrow raising that your sister is appealing her conviction. We is appealing her conviction. We know how close she was to Jeffrey Epstein. Shes not even Jeffrey Epstein. Shes not even appealing on the grounds that she didnt work to help him procure young individuals minors for his lurid desires. Shes appealing on the grounds of some plea deal. From two thousand and seven and 2008. Its all just a bit dodgy, isnt it . No, not at all. The only way that this appeal can be mounted is on the basis that there have been errors made by the judge and the court in the law. This is not an appeal because it could not be on innocence and guilt for the time being. Thats been decided in the earlier trial. What this is about is the simple fact that the law has not been followed , and there has been followed, and there has been followed, and there has been a significant abuse of process , of which this process, of which this non prosecution agreement is just one of the limbs of gillians appeal. There are 4 or gillians appeal. There are 4 or 5 others making up a very substantial and serious, set of claims by her, which the appeal court has to consider. And the npa or non prosecution agreement, as you say, is fundamental. If a government makes an arrangement with a citizen, in this case, the United States government and says , put up your hands, go to says, put up your hands, go to jail , you says, put up your hands, go to jail, you cant have a trial, and we will agree not to prosecute anybody else and that you accept that you are alone, responsible for the actions that you did, and they then abrogate that agreement. At what point does a Citizen Trust its government . This is absolutely. Government . This is absolutely. Lets just lets just take a step back here, because this agreement was that Jeffrey Epstein in 2008, went to prison for 13 months. And as a condition of that imprisonment, in the last decade, the Us Government agreed that anyone soliciting and procuring a minor for. Oh, sorry, that prosecutors agreed to not pursue alleged Co Conspirators. Now, the defence in this case is that that was an agreement limited to florida. Your sister is being tried in new york. Surely thats rather a large hole in that defence. Yes. Well, i dont know what youre considering is of the usa, but in my book, its one you cannot have an agreement signed by usa in florida and have it not apply in california or pennsylvania or new york. They have just simply chosen to say its not going to apply in this case. Thats not correct. So is the idea essentially to get her off this conviction on this legal technicality . Its nothing technical about it at all. She should not have been prosecuted. She has maintained her innocence of the charges ever since they were raised during trial post trial. This is nothing about a technicality. She should not be have been charged, let alone convicted. I support my sister convicted. I support my sister and her assertion of her innocence, and by the way , innocence, and by the way, before this whole thing kicked off in, with the second arrest off in, with the second arrest of epstein in 2019, and guillen had any thought that, the us Justice System would decide to, seek to, charge her or let alone put her on trial. She had the perfect right to go to france, which she is a citizen , and from which she is a citizen, and from which she is a citizen, and from which they dont extradite to anywhere in the world. Now, she chose not to do that because there was no reason for her to go anywhere from her perspective. So i have to say, i just dispute your interpretation of it. Thats it. And, ian, when was the last time you spoke to your sister . Time you spoke to your sister . Do you speak to her regularly . How confident is she on this, as it turns out, and completely fortuitously, i spoke to her yesterday morning , because the, yesterday morning, because the, prison are able to set up calls. Video calls, which are, of course, observed by the authorities for a half hour each time takes a bit of time to set them up. And this one happened to fall yesterday morning, her time. I found her in good shape. I found her looking. Okay today, she is hopeful. She was hopeful, obviously, but shes also realistic , the, you know, shes realistic, the, you know, shes lost a trial. Shes lost many bail applications. So shes not expecting that. This is not some, pie in the sky. Hope its a very serious appeal that shes mounted. And i found her in in mounted. And i found her in in really decent shape. The thing that interested me in what she had to say about how shes using her time is that shes, in fact , her time is that shes, in fact, teaching, inmates. Perhaps, 20 at a time, once a week on how to appeal or how to appeal internally in the prison against conditions. Conditions. Doesnt this get to the nub of it, though . Therell be many people who say that you come from a family of means is a well connected family, a family of socialites and very wealthy people, and indeed are connected to high society and therefore your ghislaine, and, and many others in this entire sorry saga have been able to afford the very best lawyers find these tiny technicalities and throw as much stuff at the wall to see what sticks and try and prise open the american legal system to make sure that people like your sister never face the same justice as people, perhaps without the same connections and without the same connections and without the same wealth. Without the same wealth. Well, thats one of the reasons that a gillan is quite interested to help other prisoners try and assert their own rights. This is a very powerful Justice System in america. There are 500,000 people this morning awaiting pre trial , some of them banged pre trial, some of them banged up for years at a time. Yes. Gillan can afford, a good lawyers, but then shes got facing the United States with all of its might and we know whats happened here has been a trump s, action by the authorities to show her of the victims as well. Thats another question youre asking me about victims. We can talk about victims, but you ask me something else, i just think it is, perhaps a little bit suspicious to say this is all the behemoth of the state against this poor, individual people while forgetting the victims in the whole process. The people who appealed to the Justice System in order to try and seek some justice. Ian, i could talk to you for so much longer, but im afraid we have run up to the end of our time, really appreciate you putting your case across, and it will be fascinating to see how far this goes. Ian fascinating to see how far this goes. Ian maxwell, the brother of Ghislaine Maxwell. Thank you very much indeed. Of Ghislaine Maxwell. Thank you venwell,h indeed. Of Ghislaine Maxwell. Thank you venwell, movingi. Of Ghislaine Maxwell. Thank you venwell, moving on, puberty well, moving on, puberty blockers will no longer be available for children on the nhs in england. There will be a ban. Well be speaking to a former gender clinic nurse, the biggest whistleblower on the use of suppressants for of hormone suppressants for children. Youre watching. Good afternoon britain. Were on gb news. Its 149 now. Puberty blockers will no longer be available for children on the nhs in england. The puberty suppressing hormones are used to pause the onset of physical changes, such as Breast Development or facial hair, in children who have gender dysphoria. Now, the nhs england has banned the prescription of such drugs for children at gender identity clinics. The move has been welcomed by the government. Well, our guest this afternoon previously worked at a leading uk centre for gender dysphoria. Thanks for joining us, sue, sue, very interested to speak to you about this because you worked at the tavistock clinic, which has become notorious among many who are very deeply concerned about how gender dysphoria is being treated in this country. And you chose to whistleblow because there were you had concerns that , clinicians there were jumping to the drugs before giving talking therapy. Can you explain what exactly was going on in that process . Yes. Thanks very much for having me on. And the first thing id say is, im not sure i chose to whistle blow. It didnt feel like much of a choice. It felt really like a clinical obligation. And the reason being is ive worked in Mental Health all of my adult life, really in the nhs , and im now a the nhs, and im now a psychotherapist. But the approach that the rest of the tavistock clinic took to mental illness, emotional disturbance and symptoms that were a result of that was to holistically work therapeutically with the mind. But when i went to work in the gids, the childrens service, i very quickly became aware that there were some children who had only been seen approximately four times and were being recommended for puberty blockers, and i raised concerns within the team initially, obviously, with my clinical managers , but i didnt feel that managers, but i didnt feel that was very comfortable or possible to be heard. So then i went outside the team to the tavistock clinical director and david taylor did a report about it. But but the truth of it was really the report sank without trace whether it was buried or just lost, i dont know. And so just lost, i dont know. And so the clinical model has continued despite. Right, the very similar despite. Right, the very similar concerns that were raised back in 2006 by David Taylors report. And they have continued until this announcement yesterday by nhs england, as this announcement has been made, i understand that there are fewer than 100 children in the whole country of 67, 68 million, fewer than 100 who are currently on nhs puberty blockers, just just how big is this issue . It seems like its a very, very small percentage of people being treated who are actually given this treatment. Given this treatment. So the first thing to say about that is we really dont know how many children are receiving this treatment, partly because many of them have gone privately. But the other thing privately. But the other thing is this is a worldwide problem. You know, over in the states, there are thousands of children receiving hormones and surgeries. And the difficulty has been that all along throughout the world, i think in most of the western world, its become a politicised area, which should be about Clinical Care and evidence base. But because of that politicisation and the ideology around people have become very wary of being prepared to research and study what the effects of this experimental treatment are , are. Experimental treatment are, are. And so there are many claims made, by w path, for example, and by some of the charities is that, you know, theres only 1 regret. Thats absolutely impossible to say. You know, i myself know personally several people who have chosen to detransition, but we are also unable to say how many detransitioners there might be or regret us because the Tavistock Gids did not follow up their children, and that was proven when we went to the judicial review and finally the judges asked the tavistock to answer some of these questions that they kept avoiding answering. And it was at that answering. And it was at that point that they had to confess. They didnt know what happened to their patients, sue, just lastly, because were running out of time, do you fully support then this ban on puberty blockers for children . Varne blockers for children . Varne and, well, just ask just that question. Really . Do you fully support this . Okay so look, its a really complex answer and ill try and be really quick. The thing is this is a complex presentation. Gender dysphoria is like a symptom. And its presented in the physical body in the same way that other psychological illnesses can be the difficulty we have is as yet we do not know. We dont know the answers. Know. We dont know the answers. And so at the moment, the caution of saying , you know, do caution of saying, you know, do no harm seems firstly, a sensible one. But my plea would be that we absolutely need for child and adolescent Mental Health services to be better funded, better resourced. Funded, better resourced. Because the problem is, although everyones saying, oh, lets give these children support and therapy, there are very few people like me , a who are people like me, a who are prepared to work in this area because they fear the threat of a conversion therapy. And secondly, it is challenging. Secondly, it is challenging. Terribly sorry. Were going to have to leave it there because weve run out of time. But fantastic to speak to you coming up, are you proud to be british . Well be hosting that debate this break. Debate after this break. A brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on. Solar, sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a three way split with the weather today. Many places dry, but fairly soggy over parts of wales and northwest england. Very mild, especially so in the south. Its across the far north where weve got low pressure dominating. This weather front is generating way is generating that three way split, it very soggy split, stuck under it very soggy conditions over cumbria, parts of north wales in particular, a few showers in mid and south wales and at times maybe over Eastern England and in the far north west. But a good part of scotland, Northern Ireland, dry and bright, and much of the south and of england dry. South and east of england dry. Fairly cloudy, sunshine fairly cloudy, but some sunshine could see temperatures jump right 15 c. Generally right up to 1415 c. Generally it is pretty mild but colder air in across scotland and Northern Ireland. But we will have some sunshine here this afternoon. The rain is going to persist overnight over north wales and northwest england. The rain really over the really building up over the hills here before hills and mountains here before slowly pushing back towards northern southern Northern Ireland and southern scotland hours scotland through the early hours. 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Britain its 2 00 on wednesday, the 13th of march. The tory race row. The Prime Minister this afternoon refuses to give £10 million back to the conservative donor. Who said. Conservative donor. Who said. Diane abbott makes you want to heat all black women and should be shot for failed Asylum Seekers, will be offered thousands of pounds to move to rwanda. One minister says the plan is a good use of public money, but will the bribe work . The post Office Scandal wrongly convicted subpostmasters and mistresses are a step closer to getting justice, as a new law is introduced today to clear all of their names. Its a shame we ran out of time with sue evans just before the break there, about the nhs banning puberty blockers, because one thing i did want to get at is if the nhs is banning them. Okay. In my view, thats a positive step. And massively needed. But will that have any impact on private clinics who are willing to give out puberty blockers for those under the age of 18 . Will it possibly not . Will it change . Best practice in private clinics . As far as i understand it, the law currently in the uk is you cant give them below to someone below the age of 16, thats what i read earlier today. So if private practices are doing that for people between the ages of 16 and 17, is that such a big issue . One of the biggest things that i think is a factor in this debate, that muddies the water is that different sides say different things. Some people say that these will make children infertile. Others say that they wont. Others say that they wont. Others say that they wont. People say that these are irreversible. Others say that theyre irreversible. What is clearly needed here is rigorous, scientific study. Well, to be honest, what i think is shocking is that clearly from the tavistock as one example, ideology took precedent over clinical advice. Proper investigation. So, for example, the issue that sue has highlighted and has highlighted for a long time is that the clinicians had moved towards oh yeah, lets go down the treatment path with medical intervention and drugs and so on and so forth, without actually investigating, fully talking therapy. Now, there may be many kids who are suffering from lots of different conditions. We know that lots of autistic children , that lots of autistic children, for example, can feel gender dysphoria, or at least disproportionately their affected. And clinics are affected. And if clinics are saying children no , the only saying to children no, the only way for you to feel comfortable in your body is to go on puberty blockers is to go down that route of medical intervention. Then are a massive then they are doing a massive disservice children disservice to children who may go on to regret things. I think you make a very good point, but has to be holistic, i think. I think you make a very, very good point that if everyone is down medical path, is put down a medical path, theres something wrong. Theres something going wrong. Quite though, you quite similarly, though, you could take the exact same logic and apply it the other way. If no one is being offered any sort of medication, any sort of treatment. But then perhaps treatment. But then perhaps theres something going wrong theres something going wrong there well i think perhaps there too. Well i think perhaps in this case there is someones puberty is an absolutely massive intervention. And think its absolutely and i think its absolutely right that the nhs has blocked this, banned this. But we shall see what happens. Let us know what you think gbviews gbnews. Com. But lets get headlines. Get your headlines. Tom. Emily, thank you very much. Good afternoon. From the much. Good afternoon. From the newsroom. 2 03. We start with a look at what happened in the commons this afternoon, where sir keir starmer confronted the Prime Minister over a conservative donors alleged racist comments. He pressed rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. Frank hester is alleged to have said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot well in todays Prime Ministers questions, the labour leader asked whether rishi sunak is proud to supported by is proud to be supported by someone making what keir starmer called offensive statements two weeks ago, he marched them out like foals to defend islamophobia, and now the member for ashfield is warming up the opposition benches for them. Opposition benches for them. He wont hand the money back. He wont comment on how convenient it is that a man handed huge nhs contracts by his government is now his partys biggest donor. You have to wonder what the point is of a Prime Minister who cant lead, and a party that cant govern well, the Prime Minister in response, did acknowledge that Frank Hesters comments were wrong and he said racist, but declined to say whether his donations would be returned. Instead, he called out what he said were double standards in the party. The labour party. Im absolutely not going to take any lectures from somebody , take any lectures from somebody, from somebody, from somebody who chose to represent an anti semitic terrorist group, hizb ut tahrir, who chose to serve a leader who let anti semitism run rife in this labour party. Those are his actions. Those are his values. And thats how he should be judged. Judged. This afternoon, former cabinet minister Nadine Dorries has been speaking to us here at gb news and she said that the governments response to the whole situation has been a car crash. But she said there are still bigger questions to be answered. Who is the person who fixed it for him to give the party £10 million . And what was he promised in return for that £10 million . I think are million . I think there are questions that need to be asked , questions that need to be asked, because just gives £10 because no one just gives £10 million a Political Party million to a Political Party whos just new on the scene and doesnt expect back doesnt expect Something Back for of money. And in for that kind of money. And in order to remove all of those questions and all of those suspicions, it needs paying back today. In other news, weve learned today a major people today that a major people smuggling operation has been intercepted here in the uk with the arrest of a suspected high level figure in a kurdish organised crime group. Authorities believe hes significantly involved in smuggling people to britain in boats and in the back of lorries. Officers from the National Crime agency were supported by Hampshire Police as they detained the 45 year old at a property in the kingston area of portsmouth this morning. He was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to facilitate illegal immigration and money laundering. Laundering. He is now in custody. More than 21,000 now in custody. More than 21,000 households have now been freed from problematic leaseholds. Thats after some saw their ground rents double. The competition watchdog says the home owners will now see their ground rents return to where they were when they first purchased their properties. Many leaseholds trap people in houses they find difficult to sell. The they find difficult to sell. The government has banned ground rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune rent on new leases for homes purchased after june of 2022, and there are also plans to ban leaseholds for new houses. However, the system would remain for flats. Vladimir putin says for flats. Vladimir putin says that he is ready for nuclear war, warning that any us troops to venture into ukraine will be treated as interventionists. Speaking on state television, the russian president also said that if the us were to carry out any nuclear tests, russia may do the same. In response, he added that while moscow is technically prepared, the country is not rushing into it. The European Union has today set out the worlds First Comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. The new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector , with the technology sector, with the Technology Already used in areas such as banking , cars, smart speakers banking, cars, smart speakers and even in tvs. Legislation in specific to the use of ai is lacking in other regions , and lacking in other regions, and its expected the eus rules will help set the tone for how the world regulates the new technology. And finally, have technology. And finally, have you ever wanted to be a spy . Well, the uks Intelligence Agency has just the trick with this new online puzzle. If this new online puzzle. If youre watching on tv, you can see here this picture where the challenge has been set to see if you can crack the code by identifying the letters within the image to reveal a hidden message. Its designed to message. Its designed to attract people with a unique problem solving skill. Gchq says that its been published to recruit a broader mix of minds who can tackle complex threats from hostile powers. Those are from hostile powers. Those are the headlines. Plenty more to come with tom and emily throughout the afternoon. In the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Carmelites. News. Carmelites. Good afternoon britain. Its 2 08. And of course, the Prime Minister and keir starmer engagedin minister and keir starmer engaged in a pretty fiery clash earlier at Prime Ministers questions , mainly over these questions, mainly over these comments by that conservative party donor who allegedly said diane abbott made him want to hate all black women. Yes. All made. You want to hate all black women. The labour leader pushed the Prime Minister on whether he will be returning the £10 million gifted to the party the £10 million gifted to the party by the £10 million gifted to the party by frank hester, with the Prime Minister that Prime Minister saying that whilst comments were whilst mr hesters comments were racist remorse racist and wrong, his remorse should be accepted. But cross now to but lets cross now to downing street and speak with gb news Political Correspondent Katherine Forster whos spent the afternoon after Prime Ministers questions talking to the prime spokesman, the Prime Ministers spokesman, but starmer but also to keir starmer spokesman. And catherine, i want to ask you specifically on what the labour party has been saying about diane abbott. Shes been suspended from the labour party for 326 days. Whats on with that investigation . That investigation . Yes, thats right, tom, in all the huge row thats going on about the racist comments and the tory donor, and when will the tory donor, and when will the £10 million be handed back . And spoiler, i really dont think it will, though. Theyre not explicitly saying that rishi sunak did say that he wouldnt return the 15,000 personal donation to the helicopter , and donation to the helicopter, and stressed the most ethnically diverse cabinet, ever. But what has got a little bit lost in all of this is, of course, the fact that diane abbott, of this is, of course, the fact that diane abbott , the first that diane abbott, the first black female mp ever elected to parliament, was suspended from the labour party almost a year ago over comments which were perceived to be anti semitic. So she wrote an opinion piece in the paper saying that people like, jews , irish people, like, jews, irish people, travellers didnt experience racism in the same way as black people. They didnt experience it all their lives. Now that it all their lives. Now that caused absolute uproar that she should equate jewish people, millions of whom of course died in the holocaust, with travellers , with irish people. Travellers, with irish people. She was suspended. There is an investigation ongoing and it has been ongoing for nearly a year. So, as you might expect, been ongoing for nearly a year. So, as you might expect , the so, as you might expect, the labour spokesman was pressed quite hard by a lot of journalists. And after Prime Ministers questions to find out what is in fact going on with this investigation and probably wont be too surprised to learn, he basically said its an independent investigation. Its ongoing. It wouldnt be right ongoing. It wouldnt be right for me to comment, etc. Etc. So try to give us next to no. Information. And he was asked if it would all be done and dusted before the next election. He said, well, yes, of course it has to be. But some in labour believe theres going to be an election in may. Not very long away at all. Which then begs the question , well, is this question, well, is this investigation going to wrap in the next couple of weeks . They then went on to say that if there was a may election that there was a may election that there will be some special procedures could be put in place to override investigation, to override the investigation, etc, can see really etc, etc. But you can see really why this is awkward for labour if they kick her out of the party. How does that look to kick out the first female black mp . If they keep her, people will say, youve still got a problem with anti semitism. She made these offensive remarks and youve let her get away with it. So you can see why. In some ways it suits labour to keep this ticking over. I mean, it sounds it sounds very much like its stalled and the labour party dont really know what to do on this one at all. I mean, it was one letter, i believe the investigation was about one letter. Everyone saw it printed in the guardian newspaper. I mean, how many days doesit newspaper. I mean, how many days does it take to investigate such a thing . This is stalling tactics, surely . Tactics, surely . Well, certainly many people would see it that way. And they were also asked whether they would be looking at conduct of diane abbott. Since that was published. Somebody was pointing out that shed been writing frequently in the morning star and that shed basically been saying that this was all a conspiracy against her. Which then begs the question , of then begs the question, of course, keir starmer says hes changed his party. He has rooted anti semitism out now , they anti semitism out now, they generally appear to be able to put on a fairly united front. Gaza has made big, big problems, but some people will be wondering whether the change really is as big as sir keir starmer claims. I really, really significant questions there. But just finally, catherine, of course, the Prime Minister is under pressure as well. What was the defence of the Prime Ministers official spokesman when you were questioning him about all of this stuff . Did he give a clear answer on if hes keeping the money . No, not really, but i think reading between the lines, they are going to keep this money. I would be beyond astonished that in an election year, if they gave £10 million back, he was their biggest donor. Last year they had about 40 million given. Are they really going to give a quarter of that away . Id be very surprised. The way they are defending it is because he is supporting the most diverse, ethnically diverse cabinet ever. Rishi sunak of course , many, rishi sunak of course, many, many others within the cabinet and they take that as as proof that therefore , that this man that therefore, that this man cannot be racist. They didnt explicitly say that, but that is the indication. Yes, he made comments which were racist, but look at what hes doing and just very quickly and labour are making quite a big deal of the fact that this man received nhs contracts to. Contracts to. Was that brought up , yes it was that brought up, yes it was. And the answer to that was if his company would potentially be given contracts in the future and the answer was , you know, and the answer was, you know, thats a matter for the cabinet office. All these things are deau office. All these things are dealt with in the usual way. Thats not something that the Prime Minister would interfere in, that there are processes in place. So they didnt shut the place. So they didnt shut the door that, not at all. Door on that, not at all. Well, Katherine Forster, live from downing street. Thank you very much for that, report on both parties. Both parties. Theyre very interesting to hear what the spokespeople say, because sometimes they dont say exactly word for word. What the, the labour leader. And also, you get that opportunity to really dig down and ask many, many questions in and ask many, many questions in a way you only get limited access to the principal players. But, interesting. The but, its interesting. The website , yes, has website guido fawkes, yes, has just up with a quote just come up with, with a quote from one of labours biggest donors, man named dale vince, donors, a man named dale vince, whos given, the labour party at least £2. 5 million. He referred to hamas as freedom fighters, saying one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. The question becomes, will the labour party give £2. 5 million back to dale vince . Yes, that could be a question one might ask. I was just going to say keir starmer did say in pmqs, what was it about the hundreds of millions of nhs contracts given to hesta that attracted him to giving £10 million the party the million to the party in the first place . So i think thats something hes can continue something that hes can continue to that hes gonna to bang that drum. Hes gonna bang drum anyway. Bang that drum anyway. Yes, wrongfully convicted subpostmasters and postmistresses are step closer postmistresses are a step closer to justice today, with a to getting justice today, with a new being introduced new law being introduced to clear their names. New law being introduced to cle. Yes,eir names. New law being introduced to cle. Yes, its1ames. New law being introduced to cle. Yes, its ames. New law being introduced to cle. Yes, its a landmark move yes, its a landmark move because thats normally the job of courts. It means people of the courts. It means people could their convictions could see their convictions quashed of months. Quashed in a matter of months. Well, joining us now to tell us more is gb news presenter pip tomson pip, is this a clear cut victory for the victims . Well, it is certainly progress, tom and emily, i dont know if either of you are watching the brit awards the other night, but the former, subpostmistress. Jo hamilton , subpostmistress. Jo hamilton, she was presenting an award there, and she actually said, in front of millions of us who are watching on the television, despite what the government says , they are not paying the postmasters. Well, the government today hopes to have changed that by introducing this bill. The post office minister, Kevin Hollinrake , announced it in the hollinrake, announced it in the house of commons within the last hour, house of commons within the last hour , and it is going to hour, and it is going to overturn the convictions of hundreds of subpostmasters and mistresses. Its not likely, though, to get royal assent till july, and so theyre not going to start seeing the compensation till august. So whats that . April, may, june . Thats still five months away isnt it. These lives, thousands of peoples lives, thousands of peoples lives have been destroyed. They lives have been destroyed. They have lost their livelihoods. This compensation process, it is quite complicated, but theres different schemes. And the way its going to work is that those with overturned convictions, they will receive an interim payment with the chance of getting a fixed and final offer of £600,000. Is that enough . You might ask for the for those livelihoods that have been ruined. And theres this other scheme where people can be entitled to a fixed £75,000 through the horizon shortfall scheme. And for those who want scheme. And for those who want to pursue more compensation and want to have their claims assessed as part of the scheme overall, and not just settle for less, they can go ahead and do that now. One of the people that campaigned for years for justice is the former tory mp , lord is the former tory mp, lord arbuthnot. He, of course, has welcomed this bill but says there is still plenty more needed to be done to make sure such a scandal does not happen again. Again. For example, still in the system , a legal presumption that system, a legal presumption that computer records are reliable , computer records are reliable, thatis computer records are reliable, that is something that weve got to overturn. But how we overturn to overturn. But how we overturn it hasnt yet been ironed out. But that is something that weve got to deal with. And until that is dealt with, we cant be sure that everythings been ironed out. But equally, the culture in the post Office Remains deeply suspect as we heard from some of the select Committee Hearings that have gone on in the last couple of months. And so theres a lot still to be done. So that was lord arbuthnot speaking a little earlier here on gb news. And what you said there. It is a landmark announcement tonight because it could effectively set a precedent letting politicians and parliament overturn the decisions of the courts and inevitably , there will be people inevitably, there will be people who actually are guilty of fraud who actually are guilty of fraud who will be getting this compensation. But the government does believe, if you excuse the pun, that it is a price worth paying. And lets not forget, there will be many people or some people whove past who havent had the chance to see justice done. And there are the justice done. And there are the cynics out there who say, well, if it wasnt for that itv dramatisation, we wouldnt be where we are. And also were in where we are. And also were in an election year. Yes, indeed. Well, thank you very much indeed. Pip tomson gb news presenter. Thank you for bringing us that update. Well still to come, are you proud to be british . Will be debating whether were too scared to say it. Certainly wont be a debate to miss. Youre watching good afternoon britain on gb news right. Well, its 224. Youre watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. Now, when you see the union jack , how does you see the union jack, how does it make you feel . Does it make you feel proud of britains heritage and its history . Or doesit heritage and its history . Or does it make you shudder because of colonial history and of our colonial history and links . Well, one columnist in a leading says there is leading newspaper says there is unspoken grief across the nation and people feel scared to and that people feel scared to be proud to be british. Well of course, this comes after lee anderson, who recently defected to the reform party, says that he wants his country back. But this hour were debating. Are you proud to british . Are you proud to be british . Well, there you go. Joining us now is political commentator Femi Nylander, who thinks necessarily thinks we should not necessarily be be british and the be proud to be british and the founding chairman of the Global Britain centre, aman bogle, who thinks we be very proud thinks we should be very proud to british. Okay. Well lets to be british. Okay. Well lets let aman have his pitch. Why should we be proud to be british . Lots of things are going wrong, arent they . Going wrong, arent they . Well, look, thank you for having me on gb news again. Well, look, im proud to be british, and i the vast british, and i think the vast majority of people in this country proud to british. Country are proud to be british. Very simple reasons, but for very simple reasons, democracy, freedom , liberty of democracy, freedom, liberty of the individual and the rule of law. Thats exactly why, we have half a million net people wanting from around the world to be here, because we are one of the very small handful of nafions the very small handful of nations who value those british ideals and values. And that is what makes britain great. Well, femi, its a fair point. Lots of people want to come and make their lives in the uk. They surely that should make uk. They surely that should make us proud to be british. Us pretty proud to be british. Well, ill get to that migration point in a second, but am i proud to be british . You know, its an interesting question, and if youll indulge me, a me, i think its rooted in a fundamental fallacy, because what you mean when you say, am i proud to be british is youre talking not talking talking youre not talking about pride. Youre talking about blind youre saying, blind patriotism. Youre saying, am patriotic brit . And am i a good patriotic brit . And i dont believe in patriotism in that way. If i believe in patriotism, a patriotism patriotism, its a patriotism of resistance not the resistance and struggle, not the patriotism of the uk, of germany, United States, germany, of the United States, of patriotism kind of israel, a patriotism of kind of israel, a patriotism of kind of domination conquest. But of domination and conquest. But the of the i am proud, for the idea of the i am proud, for example , if get a d in my gcse example, if i get a d in my gcse physics exam, didnt. But if physics exam, i didnt. But if i did get a d in my gcse physics exam, should i be proud of isaac newton and what he did . No, i should be ashamed that i personally did bad and british people at applying people are very good at applying this to the idea of shame. Theyre very saying theyre very good at saying why should shameful for should i feel shameful for something my ancestors something that my ancestors did . Because but then because i didnt do it . But then why i feel proud of why should i feel proud of something that other people have done didnt do it . Done if i didnt do it . Do you believe in nation do you believe in the nation state . Think a good state . Do you think its a good way organising the idea of. Way of organising the idea of. Think nation state is a i think the nation state is a good way of obscuring the connections. You have with other connections. You have with other people in other places and saying you have connections, people, youve got no connections with the viewer at home. This more in home. Watching this has more in common working class common with a working class person spain than they person in spain than they do with nepo eton with the nepo baby. Eton educated hedge manager, educated hedge fund manager, millionaire rees mogg. Millionaire Jacob Rees Mogg. Right. Theyre right. But the idea that theyre both british to connect them. Right. The that jacob right. So the idea that Jacob Rees Mogg anything in common rees mogg has anything in common with at watching with you sat at home watching this idea this is ludicrous. But the idea that both british helps that youre both british helps to connect you in to helps to connect you in some, in in some way. You in some, in some false way. You have nothing in common with Jacob Rees Mogg. Have Jacob Rees Mogg. You have nothing common this guy nothing in common with this guy who £10 million to give to who has £10 million to give to the conservative party whilst hes talking shooting, hes talking about shooting, shooting, abbott, you have shooting, diane abbott, you have nothing in common with him. Hang on. Hang on. Lets let amanda come eat in the places. You dont you the same places. You dont you dont. To the dont. You dont go to the same places. You you dont you . Places. You dont you dont you . Lets honest about. Lets be honest about. Look, i respect the other panellist for his having his views. Look im a free speech absolutist, but i must make clear that, you know, even for me, its pushing my boundaries to be having to share a platform. Or today with someone who denies hes on record, on denying the horrors of october the 7th massacre in israel, of israelis by the hamas terrorists. Im absolutely appalled to be sharing a platform with this gentleman who compared, king charles, i think, with stalin, if im not wrong. Look, lets be honest. What this has to gather as a nation is a shared common belief and pluralism that we are all british and were proud to be. This is a civilisational nation. This is a civilisational nation. This country has given the world so many good things , and that is so many good things, and that is something to be incredibly proud of. Point to. Something to be incredibly proud of. Point to. We have something to be incredibly proud of. Point to. We have other civilisations. When have i denied october the 7th, i think youre on record saying that , you know, record saying that, you know, israeli women were not raped by hamas terrorists. Is that not correct . Do you want to correct that opinion being peddled by other channels . The point the point im saying. And the point i made at the time is that no israeli women, no israeli women have come and we we come forward. And we have we have no actual israeli women who have no actual israeli women who have forward to have come forward to substantiate claims. And substantiate those claims. And so really, well, think i well so really, well, i think i well well let you make point. Well let you make that point. But as as being a patriot but as far as being a patriot is concerned, can give me is concerned, can you give me one name . I can give 30,000 names i can give you 30,000 names of that have been of children that have been massacred. You give me one massacred. Can you give me one name of someone whos come forward to substantiate those claims . Otherwise, claims . But obviously otherwise, lets what doing lets lets what youre doing is youre well lets lets what youre doing is ylets well lets lets what youre doing is ylets go well lets lets what youre doing is ylets go see well lets lets what youre doing is ylets go see for well lets lets what youre doing is ylets go see for yourself. Well , lets go see for yourself. Lets get back to the idea. Lets get back to the idea. Give me one name. Please. Give me one name. Give me one name. Well, look, we let name. Well, look, i think we let people their own minds people make up their own minds for you have to. Coming for what you have to. Coming back of you, any of the back to any of you, any of the three you. Hang on, hang on, three of you. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. What about the 40 beheaded babies . Can me the name of can you give me the name of a beheaded so please, lets beheaded baby . So please, lets not, lets not, lets not, lets not, lets not, lets not, lets not get into point. Not get into the point. The point is that we can we can we can move to the 13,000 people, which is towards the middle which not middle east, which is not what this that this conversation is about. That is he is what he is. The fundamental point is the point is that i shouldnt i shouldnt feel a shame, i shouldnt, i feel okay, can we put you on the question of put to you on the question of proud british . Proud to be british . The whole point of surely the whole point of being your flag , your being proud of your flag, your nation, to be unifying. What nation, is to be unifying. What else can you be proud of . What else can you be proud of . What else can you proud of . Of else can you be proud of . Of being in a if youre not being in a nation . If youre not proud of being british, what else there unify us . Else is there to unify us . So. So do you think you personally should feel ashamed so. So do you think you petheially should feel ashamed so. So do you think you pethe british ould feel ashamed so. So do you think you pethe british slave eel ashamed so. So do you think you pethe british slave trade . Amed of the british slave trade . Were not. You were not. Probably not. You probably would. You probably say. The thing. So say. But thats the thing. So the is shame pride are the idea is shame and pride are two of the same coin. Two faces of the same coin. Please dont interrupt me. Please dont interrupt me. Please dont interrupt not please dont interrupt me. Not at youre talking. At all. Because youre talking. Please please stop. Please stop. Please stop. Interrupt please dont interrupt me. Please dont interrupt please dont interrupt me. Please dont interrupt me. Please dont interrupt me. Please dont interrupt go. Its let this discussion go. Its been to speak to you, but been great to speak to you, but its just incomprehensible with the back forth. The going back and forth. But thank very much for your thank you very much for your time. Amanda and femi time. Amanda bogle and Femi Nylander that was just nylander sorry, that was just impossible. Think impossible. I do think that became impossible the became impossible towards the end. There it was. Very odd to it all yeah, very odd to drag it all to whether or not i mean, there have been i mean, iman has every right to bring something up like that. Absolutely. But but it that. No, absolutely. But but it has that has been widely reported that there were rapes that happened on i i find on october the 7th. I i find actually what femi said about slavery to be a fair point. If you to look at the history of your country, you take it all in the round. You dont say, oh, im going to ignore the bad bits and look at the good bits. But i think what you do do is you sort of make a table in your mind, what are the good bits, what are the bad bits, and does the good outweigh the bad . No. And i think perhaps in case think perhaps in the case of britain, perhaps uniquely amongst many, many major countries, good does countries, the good does outweigh bad. Outweigh the bad. I think what he said no, i think what he said about, youve got more about, about how youve got more in with a in common with if youre a working class person here, youve got in common with youve got more in common with a working class person spain youve got more in common with a workyou lass person spain youve got more in common with a work you do is person spain youve got more in common with a work you do with,;on spain youve got more in common with a work you do with, jacob spain than you do with, Jacob Rees Mogg other rich rees mogg or some other rich character that completely that shows no shows absolutely no understanding of how pride in your country works. Yes, for your country works. Yes, for a lot of people, it is what unifies a working class person with someone wealthy or the royal family. How much of the working class in this country love the royal family . You know, its a complete misunderstand of National Pride and of things that bind us all together. What else binds us together apart from i think there are there are things that do bind us together as a nation more than picking any random person of any socioeconomic background elsewhere in the world. Yes. But, still to come, workers of the world unite a right , precisely, anyway, still right, precisely, anyway, still to come, if you might have missed it. But the united economy, the United Kingdom economy, the United Kingdom economy has returned to growth this month. But what does that mean for the pound in your pocket and Interest Rates . Well have the latest after this. Good afternoon from the gb newsroom im sam francis. The newsroom im sam francis. The headunes newsroom im sam francis. The headlines just after 2 30. Sir keir starmer has confronted the Prime Minister today over a conservative donors alleged racist comments. He pressed rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. Frank hester is alleged to have said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women, and said that she should be shot. In todays Prime Ministers questions, the labour leader asked whether rishi sunak is proud to be supported by someone making what he called such offensive statements a new law aimed at quashing the wrongful convictions of subpostmasters will be introduced by the government. More than 700 post office staff were found guilty of crimes, including theft and fraud, because of a faulty it system. Because of a faulty it system. Rishi sunak says the legislation is a crucial step forward towards resolving the largest miscarriage of justice in britains history. Labour have welcomed the progress but says it wont be enough to deliver full justice. A man suspected of leading a major smuggling operation here in the uk and bringing hundreds of people into the country in boats and lorries, has been arrested in hampshire. The 45 year old suspect, who is thought to be a key figure in a kurdish organised crime group, was detained at a property in the kingston area of portsmouth this morning. He was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to facilitate illegal immigration and money laundering. He is now in custody and being questioned by investigators , and the by investigators, and the European Union has set out the worlds First Comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. The new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector, with the Technology Already used in areas such as everyday banking in cars, smart speakers and tvs. Legislation specific to the use of ai is lacking in other regions , and lacking in other regions, and its expected the eus rules will help to set the tone for how the world regulates the new technology. Those are the latest technology. Those are the latest headunesin technology. Those are the latest headlines in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews. Com alerts. Good afternoon. Britain. Its 2 38. And the trade secretary Kemi Badenoch has signed whats being called a landmark deal with the governor of texas, greg abbott. Abbott. Yes. The texas trade agreement is designed to unlock huge markets for both economies, with the Texas Governor saying strengthening the bond between texas and the United Kingdom is crucial for our shared economies to prosper. Well, joining us now is Liam Halligan gb news, economics and Business Editor with on the money and liam, this is just one in a number of successive agreements with individual us states, i suppose because joe biden doesnt want to sign a whole federal deal. Whole federal deal. Well, the us very, very rarely signs trade deals with anyone. The European Union as a whole has been trying to sign a trade deal with the us, basically since the European Union began decades ago, and theyve never managed to pull it off the uk now its outside. The European Union can negotiate its own trade deals. Of course, that was seen as a major upside of leaving the European Union. But what trade . As trade minister, business secretary Kemi Badenoch, following on from liz truss before her, theyve been signing trade deals with individual american states or memorandums of understanding, which is like a sort of junior trade deal. But the numbers are still very, very big. Texas has an economy of £1. 9 billion. Its only slightly smaller than the whole uk economy. And of course, its just one american state. The uk economy is 2. 2 trillion. Thats 2200 billion. This is big money. The uk does. It already does about £20 billion worth of trade with texas each year. And Kemi Badenoch met today with greg abbott, the governor of texas is the. This is the first of the eight us state level trade deals that the uk has signed, where the actual governor of the state has travelled to the uk in order to sign the deal. Theres greg abbott there with business secretary Kemi Badenoch signing the deal. This is going to be good for various aspects of the uk economy, Financial Services , uk economy, Financial Services, legal services, cooperation on manufacturing , pharmaceuticals. Manufacturing, pharmaceuticals. The business secretary made particular mention of hydrogen, a fuel that is seen by many to be one of the major fuels of the future. And texas already has future. And texas already has a burgeoning hydrogen economy, and thats an area of energy , thats an area of energy, expertise and commerce where the uk is trying to forge ahead, pretty much held back by various regulations at this point, but im sure that will be remedied. Im sure that will be remedied. Look, this is a bit of a victory for the business secretary and for the business secretary and for the business secretary and for the government. Theyve been few and far between. There will be naysayers. People will say it doesnt really matter , but it doesnt really matter, but it doesnt really matter, but it does matter. Yes. Liam, crucially, is this can i just finish the sentence . Emily, if you dont mind, please. Go on. Thank you. Go on then. Go on. Thank you. Go on then. Thank you. The us is american. The us is britains biggest single Country Trading partner. And that special partner. And that special relationship, the real special relationship, the real special relationship, which is about commerce, likely to continue. Commerce, is likely to continue. Well, lets talk about growth because this month weve seen a tick up back to growth 0. 2. What does that mean. Does that mean. This is interesting. We discussed , didnt we, at the end discussed, didnt we, at the end of february, the fact that the uk had gone into recession in december, we learnt that in february when the office for National Statistics released data a recession. Its a kind of ominous word in politics. It it kind of conveys the idea of economic doom and gloom. What it really means is that the economy, gdp, gross domestic product, all transactions in the economy, all production in the economy, all production in the economy, if the size of that contracts year on year for two successive quarters, that is two successive quarters, that is two successive three month periods. Let me just explain a little bit more what that actually means. More what that actually means. If i think weve got a graphic here, we see that in july to september 2023, compared to the same period in 2022, the us, the uk economy contracted by 0. 1, a tiny contraction, and then it contracted again october october to december by 0. 3. But today, january figure came out from the ons and we grew vundabar hey presto by 0. 2. Now the Interest Rate decision, the next Interest Rate decision, the next Interest Rate decision, the next Interest Rate decision will be made by the bank of england, the Monetary Policy committee on thursday, the 21st of march. Thats next thursday and id say on balance, theres a lot i could say here, but id say on balance, the fact the uk balance, the fact that the uk economy started growing economy has started growing again , were not technically out again, were not technically out of because we need a of recession because we need a whole where dont whole quarter where we dont contract. March contract. The february and march numbers contract out. They numbers may contract out. They if they outweigh the january number, well still be in recession. But the fact that the recession. But the fact that the economy now started growing economy has now started growing means the Monetary Policy committee, is less committee, on balance, is less likely to feel that it needs quickly to lower Interest Rates. So it makes an Interest Rate cut from 5. 25 ever so slightly less likely. On thursday. But theres likely. On thursday. But theres a lot more evidence to come between now and then. All the twists and the turns. Liam halligan, thank you very much for bringing us that economic update with on the money well, Queen Camilla has arrived at cheltenham racecourse for the second day of cheltenham. Its one of the uks biggest horse racing festivals. Of course, theres been a bit of a break. Well, its 247. Youre watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. Now, Queen Camilla has arrived at cheltenham racecourse for the second day of the races. Its one of the uks biggest horse racing festivals, but under a gender neutral rebrand of centuries old racing tradition, ladies day, which traditionally was the second day of cheltenham, has been replaced by style wednesday. What on earth is this about . Lets speak with gb news reporterjack carson, whos in cheltenham for us. Jack carson, whos in cheltenham for us. Jack how is this, rebrand, this woke rebrand . How has it this woke rebrand . How has it been going . Hows it been received . Received . Well, i think a lot of the punters that have been attending the races today dont seem to be too bothered by the rebrand. A lot of them maybe havent even heard of it because of course, it necessarily publicised it wasnt necessarily publicised that going to be that this change was going to be made. Lot of people only made. A lot of people only finding from the programs finding out from the programs today, its not been called today, but its not been called ladies cheltenham ladies day here at cheltenham since 2018. Come under since 2018. Its come under different names over the years. Different names over the years. Last year it was festival wednesday. Today its called style wednesday. Encouraging people this year, more particularly the racecourse says to wear more sustainable items of clothing rewear clothing, clothing which they say can be worn time and time again. And then well have these Fashion Awards later on where of course, the best dressed is going to be announced. And well see, of course, who who that . But course, who who wins that . But Queen Camilla, also in attendance watching of attendance today watching of course its the mother course its the queen mother champion steeplechase little champion steeplechase a little bit on this afternoon bit later on this afternoon shes going to present the winner of that race with the trophy. And shes here with with family as also other royals as well. Eugenie, Princess Eugenie , well. Eugenie, Princess Eugenie, in attendance with with some of her family as well. Queen camilla wearing a green coat and a and a faux hat. Camilla wearing a green coat and a and a faux hat. Today to take a and a faux hat. Today to take part. Lots of other very, very good hats and very exciting, bright and colourful hats as well , also bright and colourful hats as well, also being worn. But of course, this to , change from course, this to, change from ladies day to start wednesday, Nadine Dorries has been pretty vocal about that. So of course, heres what Nadine Dorries told us when we asked her what about what she makes about that change . Its outrageous. Its just its outrageous. Its just outrageous. What is what is particularly galling about it . Is it done so quietly . There was no fanfare, no announcements. It no fanfare, no announcements. It was just slipped under. The first i knew was when it arrived in my program. I thought i was coming to ladies day. So when my program i was program arrived, i thought i was at i was was at sty, discovered i was i was style day. You know, some people have to me, well, you know, have said to me, well, you know, the put a lot of effort into the men put a lot of effort into its all about style nonsense. Its all about style nonsense. You its at every turn, you know, its at every turn, you that anything to do with you see that anything to do with the raising the status of womanhood or women . Ladies day motherhood , its this constant motherhood, its this constant erosion. And whats happened is the jockey club has just buckled under pressure from the trans lobby. Thats whats happened. Lobby. Thats whats happened. And what they really need to think about is and i said this in my column in the daily mail yesterday, who here . Who are yesterday, who is here . Who are the who are here . You the people who are here . You know whats happening. Ladies day are lots of ladies day is there are lots of ladies around dressed for ladies around who dressed up for ladies day this is our day. Day because this is our day. I mean, what are they going to do next . Say mothering sunday is no longer person sunday its. Longer is person sunday its. And following so on and following so quick on mothering it just seems mothering sunday, it just seems utterly mothering sunday, it just seems utt did you hear there Nadine Dorries upset by this dorries pretty upset by this change in how sudden that was. But horses, fashion but fast horses, slow fashion really is a slogan across the board, really. With jockey board, really. With the jockey club scaling back from club they are scaling back from the formal dress codes. The such formal dress codes. They changed their advice in the last couple of years, saying it was outdated and that they wanted to give people a choice of what to wear, making them feel comfortable. As youve probably heard around me though, spirits pretty high here spirits still pretty high here on day cheltenham. On day two of cheltenham. Oh, nadine , brilliant and oh, nadine, brilliant and jack, you dealt with noise jack, you dealt with that noise marvellously as well. Everyone, in the spirit of things, thank you very much for bringing us live bringing us that live from cheltenham racecourses, shes so funny. Goes for it. Not funny. She goes for it. Not having any of it, not having any of it. I mean, is it, is it definitely a woke rebrand, do you think. Think likely youthink. Think likely yeah. I think it likely is. Yeah. But i say, whats wrong but i mean i say, whats wrong with ladies day . Whats wrong with ladies day . Whats wrong with lady . With saying, lady . Ladies day. Not that i like ladies day. Not that i go to the races very often, but ladies day is when would go. Yeah. No, i mean, i to be honest, ive never been to the races. Have never. Ive never, have you . Never. Ive never, ever the races. Oh, ever been to the races. Oh, there you go. To take you out. To take you out. Maybe i maybe i need to get a spectacular hat. Yes. Perhaps a floral and turn for floral dress. And turn up for ladies day. The men dont tend to now, the men dont tend to wear hats with the flowers. Wear the hats with the flowers. This where im going wrong. Perhaps we can make an exception for you. It is going gender neutral, know. Gender neutral, so you know. My me. No, oh my goodness me. No, i have, ive gone to henley before and gone a spectacular sort and gone to a spectacular sort of stripy blazer because thats. Oh well thats, thats oh yes. Well thats, thats what were for that isnt what they were for that isnt it. Yeah. The little stripy blazers. I dont understand whats wrong. Was wrong. Youd think if this was bowing to trans lobby, bowing to the trans lobby, right . Surely calling it ladies day not a problem. Day is not a problem. Know what i think . Do do you know what i think . Do you know what i think it is . I think club and the think the jockey club and the other in other organisations involved in racing that the racing are worried that with the younger generation, theyre all a all think a bit woke. They all think racing is cruelty, so theyve got get them in and maybe by got to get them in and maybe by being bit more up to date with being a bit more up to date with all of this gender neutral stuff, attract stuff, they can, its attract a younger audience. Although when ive theres been ive been to races, theres been lots of people. But hey, lots of young people. But hey, maybe, people arent going maybe, maybe people arent going as its self preservation its a self preservation issue. Like the ships that issue. Its like the ships that attach metal to the attach a block of metal to the underside the hull to underside of the hull to sacrifice for corrosion. Sacrifice that for corrosion. So the doesnt the hull of the ship doesnt corrode. A ridiculous corrode. Thats a ridiculous metaphor, its like the its like the buildings that have sort of extra buttresses on the side of them. So if exactly people or cars scuff them, that sacrificed rather than the integral structure of the building. I mean, i must say jack carson looked very smart there. He looks good at the races. He does. Im enjoying. Im enjoying the waistcoat. Im enjoying the waistcoat. Im enjoying the waistcoat. Im enjoying the hat, the flat cap. People to wear hats. People need to wear more hats. Yeah, its dont this yeah, its i dont know why this fell in. What was fell out of fashion in. What was it, the 1950s, fell out of fashion in. What was it, the 19505, 1960s . Fell out of fashion in. What was it, the 1950s, 1960s . People used to wear hats out and about everywhere. It in everywhere. You see it in photographs, you it. It was photographs, you see it. It was a thing to do, to wear a proper thing to do, to wear hats. And now now its just George Galloway well. George galloway doing well. Expect top hat at the i expect a top hat at the wedding. Anyway, thats for wedding. Anyway, thats it for today. Its martin. Today. Up next, its martin. Martin, is coming on martin, what is coming up on your this afternoon . Your show this afternoon . About hats. Its all about hats. Its all about hats. Its all about hats. I thought nadine doris had George Galloways hat on there. I certainly think i certainly think shed been at the old laughing juice. That was fantastic. Thoroughly enjoyed that. I got . What have i got . What have i got . Okay. Todays Prime Ministers time roused ministers question time roused about. Rows about gaza about racism. Rows about gaza and ramadan. Have our and happy ramadan. Have our Political Class ever been more out of touch . They seem to be so obsessed with minority issues while totally ignoring the majority ive already had over a thousand comments on this. Ill read out the best on the show. Are you proud to be british . Do you want your country back . Well, that man lee anderson set this ball rolling, so ill have him in the studio this afternoon to tell us about his his amazing week since he crossed the floor and leading this debate. Now hes off the this debate. Now hes off the hes off the noose. Hes hes not being whipped by the tories. He is going to give it full. Both barrels. And we have a staggering nhs report which shows a 43 increase in nhs staff, 185,000 extra nhs staff. This is nose data and yet we have record waiting lists. What is going wrong with the nhs . Is it even fit for purpose . Get in it even fit for purpose . Get in touch all the usual ways. Gb views at gb news. Com well have three hours of very, very lively politics here right from the heart of westminster. But first its heart of westminster. But first wsfime heart of westminster. But first its time for your latest weather forecast. Weather forecast. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. A bit of a three way split with the weather today. Many places dry but fairly soggy over parts of wales and northwest england. Very mild , especially so in the south. Its across the far north where weve got low pressure dominating. This front dominating. This weather front is generating way is generating that three way split, under it very soggy split, stuck under it very soggy conditions over cumbria, parts of north wales in particular, a few showers in mid and south wales and at times maybe over Eastern England and in the far northwest, but a good part of scotland, Northern Ireland, dry and and much of the and bright, and much of the south and east england dry. South and east of england dry. Fairly cloudy, but some sunshine could temperatures jump could see temperatures jump right generally right up to 1415 c. Generally it is pretty mild but colder air in across scotland and Northern Ireland. But we will have some sunshine here this afternoon. The rain is going to persist overnight over north wales and northwest england. Their only really building the really building up over the hills mountains before hills and mountains here before slowly pushing towards slowly pushing back towards northern southern Northern Ireland and southern scotland hours scotland through the early hours. Well see more rain then come. Well see more rain then come into wales later. Much of into west wales later. Much of the south and east dry overnight and very mild. 9 or 10. The low and very mild. 9 or 10. The low a little colder though in northern scotland, with northern parts of scotland, with some here as the some clearer skies here as the wet weather pushes north tomorrow. Fairly soggy morning through central belt and through the central belt and across Northern Ireland. Eventually well see some snow on tops the mountains. On the tops of the mountains. Further south there will be some more showery rain coming into wales of southwest wales and parts of southwest england again, of Eastern England again, much of Eastern England again, much of Eastern England and here england dry, and here temperatures could temperatures tomorrow could reach 16 celsius. Goodbye. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. A very good afternoon to you. Its 3 pm. And welcome to the Martin Daubney show on gb news. Broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. All across the uk today. The big question is this has the Political Class ever been more out of touch . And ever been more out of touch . And are they too obsessed with minority interests . A pmqs minority interests . A pmqs today, the main political event of the week saw the two main parties squabble over who is the most racist. Happy ramadan and talking yet again about ceasefires in gaza. When will ceasefires in gaza. When will they stop ignoring the majority and tackle the real issues facing this great country . Of facing this great country . Of course, this comes as lee anderson, during his defection to reform, said that he wanted his country back. Well be asking throughout the show, do you feel proud to be british . If not, why not . And do you blame the Political Class . Lee anderson will be joining us later in the show to pick up on that feisty debate. And youre not going to believe this last one. Failed Asylum Seekers are to be offered thousands of pounds to encourage them to move to rwanda