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Primary wins overnight and in the sport. This morning, on a nervy night in north london, david rayais night in north london, david raya is the hero as arsenal scrape past porto on penalties. Scrape past porto on penalties. Novak djokovic loses to the world number 123, and the darts player banned for punching his opponent. Good morning. Theyll be very heavy rain across northWestern Areas through the next few days, but elsewhere it will be very mild. Find out all the details with me a little later. Mild. Find out all the details with me a little later. On. With me a little later. On. Right. Racist and wrong. Prime minister didnt say that, but a spokesperson did after hes branded the comments made by a Major Tory Party donor about the first woman black mp, diane abbott. Over night. The comments came from frank hester. Yeah, and he is one of the partys biggest donors. He gave £10 million to the conservatives, and he told a meeting that diane abbott should be shot and made him want to hate all black women. He has since apologised. Since apologised. However, its the lack of immediate condemnation of his remarks which are now causing the Prime Minister a political headache. The Prime Minister a political headache. Lets go to james headache. Lets go to james price, who joins us now. Hes former chief of staff to Nadhim Zahawi, james, this is the whole thing. What has taken the Prime Minister . What does he need a spokesperson to say this . Well i think that these stories come along and they blow out of the water. The kind of carefully crafted government grid, the kind of narrative, the things the government would like to be talking about on the day , and, talking about on the day, and, you know, he is the Prime Minister of a Major Nuclear World Economic power. And one would that hes got other would hope that hes got other things. On, on the things. He has to do on, on the set a week to, to get things set of a week to, to get things going again. Obviously everybody, its stupid everybody, you know, its stupid and to have said and unpleasant to have said these things. There was this, was or was it just was it racist or was it just unwise . Right . I think probably not. The best person not. Im not the best person place to i wouldnt have place to say i wouldnt have said these things. Sure this said these things. Im sure this chap , thinking back, wouldnt chap, thinking back, wouldnt have wanted to have said any of this stuff. Yeah, but wait a minute, well, doddie aid whatever. If i was minister, i would was the Prime Minister, i would immediately was immediately know if this was right wrong. Its obviously right or wrong. Its obviously wrong. I know why the man wrong. I dont know why the man isnt i need isnt saying it. Why i need someone say it him, someone else to say it for him, how much of its got to do with £10 million . You look like having back. Having to hand back. I think that thats. Yeah, i think that thats. That nub of it, doesnt that gets the nub of it, doesnt it . Although it seem a very it . Although it does seem a very odd for this guy to odd punishment for this guy to have said something stupid. And what get in return . He what does he get in return . He gets million back. Gets his £10 million back. True. But i mean, thats true. But i mean, look, me, this smells of look, to me, what this smells of is from the prime is weakness from the Prime Minister. He was quite minister. And he was quite clearly pushed a corner by clearly pushed into a corner by kemi who came out and Kemi Badenoch, who came out and called it said, this is called it and said, this is racist, call a spade racist, lets call a spade a spade. William hague, former conservative also conservative party leader, also saying and took the saying that. And it took the Prime Minister following on from what to what they were saying, to actually his position. Actually change his position. And good look. And thats not a good look. Yeah, i think it certainly speaks very of kemi speaks very well of Kemi Badenoch shes able badenoch that shes able just to come say, just come out and as you say, just just these things straight. Just set these things straight. And had these sorts of and shes had these sorts of issues in her previous brief, she to be the woman in she used to be the woman in equalities minister as well. So shes of quite well placed shes kind of quite well placed to these things. I like to work on these things. I like to work on these things. I like to that to think that perhaps that theres of theres just a level of reticence to into these reticence to wade into these sorts issues because people sorts of issues because people are so desperate not to say the wrong and trouble. Wrong thing and get in trouble. I think its just a i dont think that its just a case they want well, case that they want to. Well, you could hardly say the wrong thing. Theres only the right thing to say. No, you stand to say. no, you to say. No, you stand on the no, you cant stand on the steps of number 10 and say you want highest standards of want the highest standards of decency your cabinet, and decency within your cabinet, and then something wrong, then just call something wrong, but why. Youve got the but not say why. Youve got the time space say time and space to say somethings wrong, but cant somethings wrong, but you cant admit what its wrong, what the grievance its grievance is. Its just its unacceptable. He did that. He got in the end. But is it got there in the end. But is it too late for him . I mean, weve heard about this emergency meeting 1922 Committee Meeting with the 1922 committee behind closed doors. Hes in a very difficult position, rishi sunak. Ice, isnt sunak. Hes on thin ice, isnt he . I wouldnt envy him in this position right now. It just seems one more difficult seems its one more difficult thing after another. Thing after after another. I think that the problem think that maybe the problem hes particular case hes got in this particular case is you were so used is that, you know, were so used to culture now, to cancel culture now, right . Someone something someone says something from a long time i think these long time ago. I think these comments were five years ago. Well, the worlds quite well, the worlds changed quite a in five years. Stupid a lot even in five years. Stupid things whos things that this guy whos a super businessman super successful businessman employs his whole employs lots of people his whole life be ruined by this issue. Life to be ruined by this issue. Now, i think it was Kemi Badenoch should badenoch that said, there should be grace period now. Be a kind of grace period now. And is things like and you know, it is things like forgiveness that has made the modern world. And hope modern world. And lets hope that rishi can now get back to focusing on massive do list. So i cant h so i cant see what your grace period is saying. It makes you want hate all black women you want to hate all black women or this woman. I dont or shoot this woman. I dont really that was. It really see how that was. It wasnt bad that five wasnt so bad to say that five years ago. Dont get that mate. No, i think thats a fair point. But i think you point. But i think that, you know, what the context of know, what is the context of this . He trying be, this . Was he trying to be, i dont know, one of the lads in a meeting and sort of go on like that and try and think, oh, isnt this funny . Im trying to get a bit of banter, you know, hes Successful Software hes a Successful Software company engineer, maybe not known humour, known for their sense of humour, but know, how many people but you know, how many people from diverse backgrounds rishi sunak amongst them . Have you know, yesterday must have been if the been asking themselves if the government going call government are not going to call out racism, then what does that say my status in this say about my status in this country, in society, people have been in who serve been born in britain who serve like rishi sunak serving his country, people are afraid country, but people are afraid to call, you know, its just such a bad message to be sending out. Yeah, i think thats fair. You know, my old boss, you mentioned Nadhim Zahawi born in baghdad, came over here when he was years fleeing was nine years old, fleeing saddam husseins squads, saddam husseins death squads, subject kinds of subject of all kinds of horrendous but i think, horrendous abuse. But i think, you again, we sight you know, again, we lose sight of real problems of what are the real problems here is this guy here in society. Is it this guy saying stupid things . Its saying these stupid things . Its not most awful crime not the most awful race crime thats happened. When you thats ever happened. When you look at diane abbott, of look at diane abbott, some of the things shes come out the things that shes come out and you know, chairman and said, you know, chairman mao, more good mao, on balance, did more good than the man was than harm. The man was responsible for the deaths of more people in human more people than anyone in human history. Kind history. And his kind of communist shes communist ideology. Shes currently the labour currently not got the labour whip said that whip because she said that jewish roma people jewish people and roma people cant themselves. Cant suffer racism themselves. So, almost a way so, you know, its almost a way of of being able to of kind of her being able to dodge this now. Well know, dodge this now. Well you know, two have been killed in the two mps have been killed in the past five years, you know, murdered in past years. Murdered in the past five years. Still think its a so i just still think its a its a no go, completely taboo area. Me ask you area. But let me ask you Something Else, james, £10 million. Does the million. Where does the conservative party come up with £10 million . Its okay. People saying hand this money back. Could they do that . Could they actually do that . Would have their access to would they have their access to £10 million . Well, i think people always get this. The scale of money in british politics is always massively overestimated. Right . This is the biggest donation that the tories have ever had. The labour party, bankrolled by the trade unions. But the amount of money in british politics is really small fry, and ive been there on the inside. The amount of influence that it gets you is wonderfully, influence that it gets you is wonde|youre going to small. Youre going to talk about the American Election coming billions of coming up soon. Its billions of dollars they get spent on that. And they have real influence in these things. In britain, these things. But in britain, wonderfully, you only spend wonderfully, you can only spend what, in an election what, 12 grand in an Election Campaign per constituency. I think really lucky that we think were really lucky that we dont have that kind of, money influencing politics. Despite so you dont think despite the dont think sunak the calls, you dont think sunak or the tories would be able to put their hands in the till and say, look, okay, have this £10 million back . Well, i think that the Prime Minister personally could probably fill the stop gap should he need i think his should he need to. I think his wealth has been fairly widely reported, but i think, you reported, but i do think, you know, is money. At the end know, this is money. At the end of day, thats going to go of the day, thats going to go on just the salaries of on just paying the salaries of ordinary people inside the conservative who believe conservative party who believe in of tories in the missions of the tories and these of things and all these sorts of things coming the election. Coming into the election. So that back to line that money to go back to line the of a guy whos the pockets of a guy whos already quite rich at the expense of, frankly, of peoples jobs the election, jobs going into the election, you i that perhaps you know, i think that perhaps the punishment is the guy punishment enough is being by the being kind of castigated by the worlds and if he worlds media for now. And if he gets money back as well, he gets his money back as well, he could just take himself on a nice holiday rather it be spent on to fight the labour on trying to fight the labour party concerned, party as far as im concerned, lets about the post lets talk about the post office, we . Office, shall we . Government putting the government putting through emergency legislation to exonerate the wrongfully convicted hugely welcome news. Slight concern that a couple of people through people might slip through the net guilty of net who are actually guilty of crimes and could be exonerated, but on the balance, this is but on on the balance, this is this is a good move. Absolutely. Youre yeah, absolutely. If youre the subpostmaster the one, the one subpostmaster who things, youve who was stealing things, youve got thinking, oh, how did got to be thinking, oh, how did i get away with this now . But no, youre completely right. By and it shows as well and large. What it shows as well is enough is that when theres enough pressure that pressure on something that parliament act. Parliament can actually act. Weve you know, weve been seeing, you know, theres a huge amount of theres not a huge amount of legislation at the legislation being done at the moment. The of challenges moment. The scale of challenges that has. And, know, that britain has. And, you know, we dont see that the British State acting with the kind state is acting with the kind of speed and speed that it needs to, and it is upsetting that taken is upsetting that its taken a Television Drama for this kind of injustice to be righted. But least it has been, and but at least it has been, and theres going to a small theres going to be a small amount of compensation out theres going to be a small an all1t of compensation out theres going to be a small an all of f compensation out theres going to be a small an all of thoseipensation out theres going to be a small an all of those involved, out theres going to be a small anall of those involved, but out to all of those involved, but not what theyre not anything like what theyre owed. Know, thats not owed. You know, thats not likely happen in likely to happen in this parliament, it . Parliament, is it . I fear thats probably the case. But again, maybe this can set other set a precedent for when other scandals come along scandals like this come along again, people will actually scandals like this come along agilistened people will actually scandals like this come along agilistened to ople will actually scandals like this come along agilistened to and will actually scandals like this come along agilistened to and itill actually scandals like this come along agilistened to and it wontjally scandals like this come along agilistened to and it wont take be listened to and it wont take mr bates versus the post office to get these kind of things going. We cant have government being i think being done by this. And i think it another structural it just shows another structural weakness think is weakness with what i think is the real problem in the United Kingdom the moment, is kingdom at the moment, which is that Civil Service is so that the Civil Service is so stuck the mud and not able stuck in the mud and not able to get we get anything done. We cant build infrastructure. We build any infrastructure. We cant we cant cant build any houses, we cant do of these things. And it do any of these things. And it takes Television Drama for us takes a Television Drama for us even to get justice for these poor postmasters. Okay, james. Thank you. Interesting take on things, james, political james, as a political commentator, much commentator, thank you very much indeed. Speak again later. Thank you. Youve got a view you. If youve got a view gbviews gbnews. Com. News gbviews gbnews. Com. Other news coming into the newsroom this morning. This is what weve got for you. Keir starmer has promised a vote on assisted dying if he wins the next election. Speaking to dame election. Speaking to dame esther recently esther rantzen, who recently revealed joined the revealed shes joined the assisted dying clinic dignitas, and admitted hes personally and he admitted hes personally in favour of changing the law for the couple arrested in connection with an investigation into a funeral home in hull, have both been bailed , a total have both been bailed, a total now of 35 bodies and what police have called a quantity of suspected human ashes have now been moved to another mortuary after Police Received more than 1000 phone complaints from the public. We want to hear from you on this story. Have you been affected . Vaiews gbnews. Com a rematch between donald trump and joe biden is set as both passed the delegate threshold and secured the presumptive nominations for republicans and democrats overnight. The nominations will be made official come the summer at Party Conventions. The 81 at Party Conventions. The 81 year old president has said hes honoured voters backed his re election despite questions over his age in recent weeks. So over his age in recent weeks. So apparently what joe biden is doing or going to do is to joke about his age in almost everything. So theyve done a everything. So theyve done a number of little sketches and they they laugh at this and whatever it is, which i think is appalling. Yeah. Its not funny. Yeah. Its not funny. I dont think its funny. I dont think its funny. Not a laughing matter. Not a laughing matter. I think theres lots of people who are elderly and people who are very elderly and very and there are very sensible, and there are lots of people who arent, and youre either one or the other, and you cant just say, oh, deary i didnt press deary me, i didnt mean to press that just had that button because i just had a moment whatever it was, but moment or whatever it was, but it looks like, you know, hes going to get away with it. Think age is going to be i think age is going to be the big of this election. The big story of this election. Not only are both candidates in their i think their late 70s, i think one of thems going 80 by the thems going to be 80 by the time november comes around. But also the age of the electorate. I was reading weekend, i was reading over the weekend, Something Like 25 million americans since 2016, americans have died since 2016, when trump was first elected. And how has that shifted the demographic as a younger cohort of people have come through, who are they more likely support are they more likely to support of parties . And i do of the two parties . And i do think that age is going to be the big of 2024. The big story of 2024. Its so much age as its not so much age as capability. Thats thats the thing. The age doesnt worry me. Thing. The age doesnt worry me. Its how capable they are. And biden certainly does not look capable. Gb views the gbnews. Com. Were focusing on russia now. Were focusing on russia now. Theyve quelled an attempted attack from some rogue russian soldiers. Quite an interesting story. This, they were volunteers, and they are based in ukraine. And they drove tanks and armoured vehicles across the border. This is the biggest cross border incursion since the war began. Well, the raid comes as ukrainian drones struck key oil refineries, exacerbating a petrol crisis in russia that already exists. Already exists. Lets go to the defence editor of the Evening Standard, robert fox , to for him to cast robert fox, to for him to cast his his eye over all this. Robert very good to see you, my friend. And im just trying to work out who these rebels are. How do they how did they come about . Are they ukrainian . Are about . Are they ukrainian . Are they pro ukrainian . Are they just anti russian . Just anti russian . A bit of both. Some of them are russians , its very are russians, its very difficult in those border areas to know quite, you know, who they would have identified themselves as about ten years ago. But theyre led by an element that are really , they element that are really, they they claim to be russians, but very anti. What is going on in russia. I think that this is really more propaganda value than military value. But it is, it is, it is worrying for the russians. And the russians are casting around for a lot of disruptive activities. Theyre being quite disruptive again in the middle east and not helpful over the crisis with the houthis. Not helpful with the crisis over gaza as they extend their influence into russia, into the mediterranean. Theyre active in africa again. And theyre messing around, it seems, in moldova, which is a very close to, of course, just off, ukraine. And it brings them into conflict again with nato. Into conflict again with nato. Theyre messing around with a referendum in the transnistria region, which is which is ethnically russian , to, to ethnically russian, to, to a large extent, everybodys holding their breath and really because theyre wondering is now the Russian Spring offensive coming on its way . Is it just days or maximum weeks away . And can the ukrainians withstand that, i suppose in all of this , that, i suppose in all of this, we have to ask if the death of navalny recently , plays any part navalny recently, plays any part in this perhaps emboldening some of the anti putin feeling within russia or amongst russians, not least because there is an election, albeit not democratic, but another election which will see putin win. But there will be lots of talk at the moment about the future of the country. The future of the country. Youre quite right. It comes, towards the end of the week. Its between the 15th and the 17th. It will be a coronation, i think its the fifth or sixth. Election so called in inverted commas, that putin will have contested to lead the russian people , isabel, the really people, isabel, the really interesting thing about it is how nervous , putin has been how nervous, putin has been about it. Why did they need to deal with navalny at that point and to get all opposition, off the street . It is a big thing. He wants to make himself look good and not look strong. And i think by next week, after hes re coronated, i think we should put it as crudely as that. I think there will be a big a big statement because the big question is, yes, russia is getting ready for an offensive. But as , ukraine to an extent has but as, ukraine to an extent has been exhausted by its offensive of last year, which didnt work, its very difficult to see how repeatedly russia could do this. The economy is booming on oil and defence, but that doesnt go on forever. And there are cracks somewhere. So i think we are in for a decisive few weeks. Well, weve got an election this weekend or president putins got an election this this weekend. And how likely is it that, those voters in russia would know anything about this uprising, this rebellion that is going on . Absolutely right. Very little indeed. Very little indeed. It would, of course, been excluded. Would, of course, been excluded. And, i think that these elements will go on doing it. Theyre quite good at disruption. More important, i think, was the strike on the oil, petrol and oil refinery. They are getting drone attacks into russia. It is hitting, they say infrastructure actually its hitting things that need to supply those forces at the front. Theyve got about 300,000 plus, committed to this fight in and around ukraine. And it needs a lot of support. And the one place where russia is not winning is on the waves in the black sea, where the ukrainians , with no navy to ukrainians, with no navy to speak of at all, is doing very well in bottling up the Russian Black Sea fleet, which means they can get they, the ukrainians can get the grain and exports out. But the real point is actually relates to your previous story, where america is going to be over this in the next few months, because ukraine, as we have seen, is becoming quite a big agenda issue in the us. The europeans have to prepare. This includes britain to sustain ukraine over a long period, with less help. Not no help, but less help. Not no help, but less help. Lets be practical from the us. Robert. Appreciate your take robert. Appreciate your take on things. Weve got to leave it there. Robert fox, defence editor at the Evening Standard now , if i remember correctly, now, if i remember correctly, this time yesterday, were being told we might have a bit of a break in all of this drudgery and gloom and doom weather wise. You notice see if annie did you notice see if Annie Shuttleworth is sticking to her promises . Heres todays forecast. Forecast. A brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain will persist across nonh heavy rain will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday. In fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter and for everyone, its going to be feeling much milder through the rest of the week. But very heavy rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north wales, the lake district, southern as southern areas of scotland as well, dumfries well, particularly dumfries and galloway. Seeing the of galloway. Seeing the heaviest of the further north. It the rainfall further north. It should stay largely dry, apart from some very blustery showers. From some very blustery showers. It will be very windy across northern scotland. Gale force winds expected, but the winds are expected, but in the south east its going to be south and east its going to be a dry afternoon. But a dry afternoon. Breezy but still mild with highs of 15 still very mild with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. If we do see any breaks in the cloud through tonight, the rain is going to persist similar areas. So persist in similar areas. So today, very overcast today, very wet and overcast across north wales and many Northern Areas of england, particularly western particularly across western coasts here. And we will see some outbreaks of rain moving into southwest by thursday into the southwest by thursday morning. It should dry morning. It should stay dry though, the far north and in though, in the far north and in the southeast. And for everyone, its be another very its going to be another very mild tomorrow. Mild start to the day tomorrow. The continue to push the rain will continue to push into Northern Areas, but it will shift slowly but surely further north into the central belt. Some northern of some more Northern Areas of scotland, seeing some rain later on in the day, well continue to see showers breaking out across southern areas of the southern areas of wales, the southwest these could southwest as well. 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They did and arsenal are through and penalties is first time in 14 years that theyve managed to get through to this stage of the Champions League. And the darts and weve also got the darts player, got this darts player, weve got this darts player, weve got this darts player, eamonn who who punched someone really someone after a game really doesnt like to lose. Yesterday it was a headbutt. Today its a punch. Sport is getting very the sport is getting very violent, into politics. Violent, turning into politics. It. It to be it really is. It has to be a warning whenever i talk about the but well that just, you know, today, sports wise , the newspaper is full of wise, the newspaper is full of pictures, not of horses, but of, ladies in fashion. Ladies in fashion. Fomo. Fomo. Because it would have been very, very difficult. So it would have been yesterday. Weather the rain. We should dig out our pictures of outfits the pictures of our outfits in the rain the couple of years. Rain the last couple of years. Yeah, had some wetter. Yeah, weve had some wetter. Was trips. Rain, it was just trips. Rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, rain. Go to spain. Did you have one of those plastic on that plastic yellow top hat on that day, you . Was that when day, didnt you . Was that when you had the. No. It was the other one. Trilby style, right . Trilby style, right . Country of course, isnt there when rains. There when it rains. Ascot. They have like nappies. Plastic things go over the top. Have you seen those. Have seen this. Oh yeah, i have seen this. Theyre not like nappies. Theyre not like nappies. Theyre the granny. Granny theyre like the granny. Granny things. P w w yeah yeah. But it yeah yeah yeah yeah. But it just hat dry. Yeah. You know what i mean. Like the, you know how grannys put head over heads and head shawls over their heads and tie up. Tie them up. You get a plastic one of those. But actually, if youre wearing a proper headpiece, you cant one of those on. Cant put one of those on. Right. Theres a lovely well, theres a lovely picture the front of telegraph. Got a very russian oh, shes got a very russian style hat. Style sort of furry hat. All that. Thats one big furry hat. But you know what . If it rained, can you imagine how itd be how that would smell . Itd be like dog. Wouldnt it be like a wet dog. Wouldnt it be terrible . Do you do for it . Do what do you do for it . Do with it for year . With it for a year . I know you have to put it in front of you. Ever wear that again . But shes beautiful shes a very beautiful woman. Very, but very, very good. But interesting, about interesting, just just about the racing it and racing and whatever it is. And i know were going talk to our know were going to talk to our friend again. And 7 20, friend again. And at 7 20, ladies has a listen to this. Ladies day has a listen to this. Go on. Okay. Ladies day has a gender the gender neutral rebrand of the centuries old tradition to become wednesday are become style wednesday are a green focussed award has been launched to celebrate slow fashion. Slow fashion. Isabellas old outfits are ones put together from Charity Shops or online resellers on board with. But i dont see why you have to take the ladies out will also be judged on their attire. Be judged on their attire. Oh dear, now they all try too much. Let us have our moment. Let us have our moment. Yes, yes, let us have moment. Just dress up and look nice. If you want to fashion slow. Fashion is a good concept because we us tend because we all us girls do tend to things once and never to wear things once and never again. Thats a shame. Again. And thats a shame. Its style wednesday. Well, its style wednesday. But about you, but but i dont know about you, but i is every i find that every day is every day with you two. Frankly. Did arsenal do quite frankly. Did arsenal do it in style last night against porto, or did they do it in style . Yeah they were, they were certainly better than porto were. Porto, theyre were. But porto, theyre a wily old know, someone like old team, you know, someone like pepe, whos 40, whos still playing, whos still amazing , playing, whos still amazing, just, just they really frustrated the martin odegaard. Theyre scored in the in the second half. But that was one one on aggregate. Yeah yeah. But then one one and then he scored which was then disallowed. 14 which was then disallowed. 14 years since theres captain black there. 14 years since the black there. 14 years since the last Champions League qualification into the quarter final. They lost the last seven that theyve been at this stage. Asked and the last time they did win was strangely against porto. A funny old game. It is it is a funny old. And then they play porto again. It is and it was also first champion. Now also the first champion. Now this interesting the this is an interesting one. The first Champions League penalty shoot out for eight years in all of the Champions League theres been no penalty shoot outs at all. Well, you dont look amazed as i am. Well, ill tell you why. My friend. The Champions League, i said all time league, i said all the time until it gets to knockout stages, quite a dull stages, is quite a dull competition. I dont like competition. Yeah, i dont like watching. I dont, maybe watching it. I dont, maybe because man united dont feature in much as they used to, in it as much as they used to, but, im not im not keen. In it as much as they used to, but, im not im not keen. Im but, im not im not keen. Im not. Im not a huge fan. Well, were going to get on to that because theyre talking about the change for next year because know, its a 36 because, you know, its a 36 team league and its team Champions League and its going to be done like a league. So the whole point of it is that there wont be any dead rubbers. So were not going to get the so were not going to get to the end of because then youre end of it because then youre going get seeded. Teams going to get seeded. Teams will then go knockout stage. Then go into the knockout stage. Its you i could its also, you know, i could go through could see your through it, but i could see your eyes glaze over because eyes would glaze over because i know minutes. Know what its all two minutes. But idea is that its but the whole idea is that its not. Its to a bit more competitive. No, the whole idea is that more will get more for more teams will get more for money longer. Thats whole money longer. Thats the whole idea. The bottom thats usually the bottom line. Yes, its about the cash. Its about cash. Yeah, its about the cash. Yeah, its about the cash. But make it more but but to make it more interesting then when you get seeded teams, the top four teams, when it goes to the knockout cant meet until the semi final, which yes, would knockout cant meet until the semi ficash, hich yes, would knockout cant meet until the semi ficash, but] yes, would knockout cant meet until the semi ficash, but also, would knockout cant meet until the semi ficash, but also, vrwilll involve cash, but also it will make it more interesting for others as well. Are you with us . Are you with us . Just by the skin of my teeth . Yeah. Okay. Okay. But you know, its not my forte that was when i said the word arsenal. Thats i started losing you. Thats why the fa cup is still the best competition still the best cup competition there is. No. That is i from a that is true. I from a laymans perspective, ive got to with that. Laymans perspective, ive got to i with that. Laymans perspective, ive got to i witbutiat. Laymans perspective, ive got to i witbut friday is i agree, but friday is when the draw to be made. So the draw is going to be made. So already there along with arsenal. Things going arsenal. See things are going to get tricky. You got get tricky. Now you got barcelona real madrid, psg, bayern Manchester Bayern munich, manchester city, youve got atletico, inter milan, Borussia Dortmund and psv eindhoven. Tonight. Eindhoven. Play tonight. See im here for, to you see all im here for, to be paul is the punch up. Be honest, paul is the punch up. Oh i want hear about all you oh i want to hear about all you want hear. Want to hear. Well yeah ive got all the cheltenham you want cheltenham everything. You want to the punch. To go straight to the punch. Have to do that maybe well have to do that next weve got next time. Weve only got a minute youve teased us minute and youve teased us about punch up. So im about this punch up. So im dying to hear darts. Have a look this. This is, have a look at this. This is, this is a player is this is a player who is a professional smith. Neil. Professional adam smith. Neil. Now, throwing darts now, theres him throwing darts right . Right . Right . Right. No problem. Its an amateur. Its warming up here. Its warming up here. Amateur. This is a game amateur. No, this is a game amateur in nuneaton last amateur event in nuneaton last week. Right. Hes the week. Right, right. Hes the world 8 in theres world number 8 in 82. Theres his opponent. Going his opponent. Yeah hes going for his double. Everybodys just enjoying very enjoying it. It seems very friendly in the friendly football on in the background those background for those not interested. There are. Interested. Now there we are. Thanks no go and have thanks very much. No go and have a look. There should be a look. Look. So there should be warning. Watch him. And warning. Dont watch him. And hes whats that hes like gordon whats all that about . Hes like gordon whats all that abowhats all about . Whats that all about . Whats that all about . I have to say oh my well i have to say oh my goodness. And then it starts with else. Its all with someone else. Its all a bit argy bargy. Bit of argy bargy. The pro and he should be hes the pro and he should be like done. Shake his hand. Like well done. Shake his hand. But obviously but he was obviously very unhappy he but he was obviously very unh since he but he was obviously very unh since surprise, he but he was obviously very unh since surprise, surprise he has since surprise, surprise been suspended by the darts organisation. You cant. You notice the person he did you notice the person he punched went straight to get his darts . Very wise move. I dont know whether its thinking keep the pointy thinking ill keep the pointy darts with me. I mean, to get his self defence weapon. Self defence weapon. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Also the way the bouncer, and also the way the bouncer, who cut. Who was really quite cut. Yes. Yes. Managed to call a on all managed to call a day on all of but as you gasp there of that, but as you gasp there with the punch , theres nothing sexy. Lovely , smooth about lovely, smooth about fighting. Itsjust lovely, smooth about fighting. Its just horrible. Can we show it again just to see the punch . I cant even watch wrestling. Boxing i mean i can just about manage rugby, but thats because no one wrestling. Yeah its pantomime, but i dont. Yeah, i hate to see. Just watch this. But as you say, the actual punch theres nothing glamorous about it really. Oh, its awful funny how the guy doesnt retaliate. He just goes to get his darts, him i so there we are. So there we are. There he goes. There he goes. You win the double here is he i yeah. Thats it. There we are. Got his double shake hands the wallop for good. The shake wallop just for good. And his darts. And he gets his darts. Gets his darts out. Gets his darts out. Well he did well then here comes the bouncer and gives him a of what for. A bit of what for. Walks away from it. Walks away from it. Oh well. Nasty piece of work on radio. On the radio. Well do thats online well do that. Thats online for you can have a look for you. So you can have a look at that. Well next time round yeah. Well next time round were to talking horses were going to be talking horses and going to be talking and were going to be talking balls with Emma Raducanu. And if she enough to she hasnt got enough to worry about the talking about shes the one talking balls am i. Is. She is. She is. She is literally not you. She is literally not you. Is, she is this time 7 20. Look forward to that one. Still to come. Well be looking at pages and biggest at the front pages and biggest stories the day. Norman stories of the day. Norman baker and hoenderkamp. Here on and renee hoenderkamp. Here on breakfast with eamonn breakfast on gb news with eamonn and company. And isabel. Love your company. After the diane abbott controversy. The diane abbott controversy. Lets start with that as we talk through the papers with norman baker and doctor renee hoenderkamp, with this. Very good to see both of you, norman, what is there to say . My main concern about the. Well, theres so many concerns, but, what takes sunak so long to issue a. Hey, this is wrong, mr sponsor, shut your mouth or eat your words or whatever. And then he words or whatever. And then he says it through a spokesperson. Thats what gets me. If youre going to say it, why dont you just say i said that . Just say i said that . I think, like many issues, hes worried about upsetting his right wing. Thats what its about. So he wants be very about. So he wants to be very careful. He want in careful. He doesnt want hes in a position. Hes a very vulnerable position. Hes in position as a prime in a weak position as a Prime Minister hes warring Party Minister hes got warring party and to upset any and he doesnt want to upset any wing of it. Kemi badenoch wasnt afraid to the wing. To upset the wing. She wasnt, and good for no she wasnt, and good for her. And she was her. And what she said was right. And only she right. And it was only after she spoke, number 10 spoke, of course, that number 10 was line. But was pulled into line. But actually, point of view, actually, from my point of view, the issue has not been the other issue has not been focussed from quote, focussed on from that quote, is the diane the suggestion that diane abbott, shot abbott, quote, should be shot unquote, with her two members of parliament killed . Yeah, really parliament killed . Yeah, really quite shocking. Someone who really is going to be upset that that youre criticising , that youre saying criticising, that youre saying this is scandalous. I mean, you know, im hearing what youre saying. I understand what you say. Say that keep say. And you say that to keep the wing quiet. But so the right wing quiet. But so were wing going around were the right wing going around and mps, and saying, black mps, particularly the Diane Abbotts of this world, should shot. Of this world, should be shot. No i think i dont think theyre saying that, but i think that was a theyre not theyre not not saying theyre not not saying that theyre not coming saying this is coming out and saying this is bloom you cant out bloom and you cant call out racism because worried racism because youre worried about a part your party. What does that say about that part of party . Part of your party . Afraid thats right. But im afraid thats right. But if i think there is a if you. But i think there is a racist right racist element within the right wing party, wing and the conservative party, i that. I have to say that. What do you think, then . And what do you think, then . Renee . Thats a load of i think thats a load of rubbish, be honest you. Rubbish, to be honest with you. I mean, would be called on the i mean, i would be called on the right things im right of things and im certainly not racist. No. No, youre not. No. Man has everything that this man has said abhorrent. Said is absolutely abhorrent. All single bit. All of it. Every single bit. Why couldnt the prime so why couldnt the Prime Minister because minister say that . Because i think hes a weak man whos think hes just a weak man whos hiding just doesnt how hiding who just doesnt know how to be a conviction. To stand up and be a conviction. Prime find Prime Minister, i find it shocking well he is, you shocking as well that he is, you know, indian heritage, hindu know, of indian heritage, hindu surely has been a victim of racism himself during his life, and yet still cant find the gumption to call it out. I mean, he could have just shut this down, couldnt he . He could have just come out yesterday, said yesterday, you know, said everything say everything he needed to say about every perspective, about it from every perspective, from violence that dont from the violence that we dont need you know, need to hear, you know, suggested from anyone from the racism within it. I dont even think that sexist. I think it was that sexist. I think it was that sexist. I think it was racist and it was violent and it was abhorrent. So sexist. So sexist. Sexist, w e sexist, yes. But yeah, a bit sexist, yes. But that black men. That isnt black men. Was against black women. It was against black women. There was a sexist to there was a sexist element to it. Yeah oh, dear. Well, anyway, your views are very welcome on this one. Keep them in. Well deal with them coming in. Well deal with those gb views at gb news. Com renee. Youve chosen a story that eamonn and i really want talk about and highlight want to talk about and highlight this is this this morning. And this is this funeral these thousand funeral scandal, these thousand grieving , either grieving relatives, either directly involved or worried that they are in some way involved or the remains of their loved ones are really harrowing. And i cant think of another story ever really. Like it, tell us what the mail is saying. Its front page. I think of at least two of the newspapers this morning, and the sun. Morning, the times and the sun. And seems like it is, and it seems like these the people. There was a young woman and a man his 40s young woman and a man in his 40s who running these three who were running these three funeral parlours. And it seems funeral parlours. And it seems that knows how that over time, lord knows how long people have been burying coffins that didnt coffins that possibly didnt have there. Theyve have anyone in there. Theyve been handed ashes that are not of relative and some of of their relative and some of them have even had jewellery made ashes, because you made from the ashes, because you can yeah. Can have a diamond made. Yeah. And that person close to and to keep that person close to you is not of the person they believe. It is the most horrible crime. You have to question is it that these people have it money that these people have done this for . Probably some weird thing, but at the weird power thing, but at the same time, grieving is actually and seeing somebody off, whether you bury them or have their ashes, is part of the process, the process that gives you closure. So these wounds have just been reopened for people who no idea. And now who have no idea. And now i imagine even if theyre repatriated with the body of their loved one and go through it, theyll still live with the doubts about what they get. And i think this affects every undertaker in the land now, because the whole thing, norman is, its given, you know, when someone passes come to us, we understand, trust , trust in us. Understand, trust, trust in us. I was watching an advert for another funeral , undertakers another funeral, undertakers last night. This is nothing to do with them. But who knows if it has or not . Because has it just turned into some sort of Conveyor Belt business that it doesnt matter. It doesnt doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if its selling baked beans or disposing of bodies here. Just them in, get them here. Just get them in, get them processed and off we go. I think the issue here is this is i agree with renee. This is horrific. But the issue here is horrific. But the issue here is that if people now no longer can undertakers as a can trust undertakers as a consequence of this story, that is that really my relative . Is is that really my relative . Is that really my friend . Are these his or her ashes . If they are starting to ask those questions, thatis starting to ask those questions, that is pretty horrific. And actually this is a very sensitive issue. I know back in my time as an mp, we had a particular controversy in my constituency where the council was headstones in was was testing headstones in cemeteries to make sure they didnt fall over and they knocked a whole lot over. I mean, the outrage that came out from that was enormous. Was from that was enormous. It was the sensitive the the most sensitive issue for the council in years, i think council in 20 years, i think its interesting. I think we were talking about this yesterday that particularly in contrast to my culture in ireland , where death is much ireland, where death is much more revered or people are more sensitive to it, and they talk about it, they talk about it all the time and people die and are buned the time and people die and are buried within three days in ireland. So here it takes a month or so. There is renee and you will have seen this , you will have seen this, professionally as well. Theres, there seems to be a different attitude, in england in particular about how death is, is handled. And i think im not is handled. And i think im not sure if that contributes to the fact that nobody cares. Anyway, you stick the body in for here a month. Who cares what happens to it after a month . I think that in the uk we dont tend to celebrate when somebody dies so much we dont have excuse me . Where we have a week. Excuse me . Where we actually celebrate their life and we tend to be and their passing. We tend to be much more closed about talking about issue that about it. Its an issue that people difficult to people find difficult to traverse. So youre right, that also then brings a screen over it and allows Something Like this perhaps to happen. And it must never happen again. Norman, latest absolutely. Norman, latest twist in the rwanda story is now the governments going to be offering £3,000 sweeteners for people to leave voluntarily. People to leave voluntarily. Now, havent we had huge arguments about pull factors and, you know, not wanting to, allow women through because that could be a pull factor. Pregnant women and the like offering £3,000 is surely going to be a pull factor in this. Well, i think its a pull factor, but also its just a i have to say, its a bit of a joke in a sense. I mean, theyre so desperate to get flights off to rwanda. Theyre trying everything get everything they can do to get these flights the off the these flights on the off the ground. Now were to ground. And now were going to have where have voluntary flights where people they people are offered money they dont but if they dont have to go. But if they want go, theyll get some want to go, theyll get some money. So the government can say, a flight off say, hey, weve got a flight off to and they wont to rwanda. And what they wont say necessarily they wont say necessarily or they wont give to. Its the fact give attention to. Its the fact that a lot that theres a whole lot of pubuc that theres a whole lot of public paying public money gone into paying people the other issue is people to go. The other issue is slightly strange is that these are people who have been refused leave in this country, leave to stay in this country, but stay but shouldnt be allowed to stay regardless they regardless of whether they volunteer go. No, thats volunteer to go. No, thats true. But also they cant be returned their country returned to their own country because from places because they come from places like are war like afghanistan, which are war torn. A sense, dont torn. So in a sense, i dont know but know these particular cases, but it that theyre the it seems to me that theyre the sort who probably sort of people who probably would qualify to be given status here because genuinely refugees. Yeah. True. Its gosh, yeah. Its true. Its an point, isnt it . An interesting point, isnt it . That doesnt seem to make sense. I mean, we need more detail, but once its our money. You once again, its our money. You know, taxpayers money being thrown away hand over fist over a thats thrown away i you know, these people still have housed. Theyll still have to be housed. Theyll still have to be housed. Theyll still have still have to be jailed. They still have to be jailed. They still have to be fed, whatever, whatever. And theyre just saying, three grand whatever. And theyre just safive three grand whatever. And theyre just safive or three grand whatever. And theyre just safive or whatever grand whatever. And theyre just safive or whatever itand whatever. And theyre just safive or whatever it is,1 or five grand or whatever it is, take it and itll be cheap for us. Get take it. Us. Get out. Take it. Please go. Please go. Whats betting that whats the betting that people will take it . Go away and then back again. Then come back again. Yeah then come back again. Think yeah then come back again. Think there yeah then come back again. Think there are1 then come back again. Think there are people i think there are People Living the currently who living in the uk currently who would like £3,000 to go pay for a right. A nice holiday, right. Oh dear. Oh dear. Lets talk about lets, lets talk about puberty blockers children puberty blockers like children story who to change gender story who want to change gender will be prescribed will no longer be prescribed this on the nhs for the first time in at least five years since stonewall and mermaids infiltrated all of our care pathways, has since returned to the room, and we have put the safeguarding of children at the top of above ideology, because thats what was going on. All of the decent evidence thatis all of the decent evidence that is out there says that these children who have multiple things going on, theyre depressed, they have autism, they have anxiety, they have adhd. All of these children, if adhd. All of these children, if left to through puberty , left to go through puberty, between 73 and 93 of them will settle quite happily with their biological sex. Many of them will be gay, so they wont be convinced that actually theyre not gay. Theyre just in the not gay. Theyre just in the wrong body. And that is going on. Have watched it in my on. I have watched it in my practice, so this the best practice, so this is the best piece of news that you could get today. A as today. I think as a mother, as a doctor and as Society Leave our children alone. Children alone. So you dont think youre extending any suffering that children like this may be going through already . Through already . Well, all of the evidence shows eamonn that after transitioning and theres good data recently from sweden and denmark. So before transitioning, these children are already disturbed mentally with all of their angst. After transitioning, they are seven times more likely to commit suicide, helping them change sex isnt working. What we need to do is help them get to the bottom of their demons. Am i right thinking about am i right in thinking about 70 those who do change 70 of those who do change sex then it and to then regret it and want to change and the change back, and that the evidence is, you say, if they evidence is, as you say, if they can support and all help can get support and all the help they through those they need through those difficult teenage years, they they need through those diffi wellaenage years, they they need through those diffi well comee years, they they need through those diffi well come outars, they they need through those diffi well come outars, other side may well come out the other side and actually, well, most and think actually, well, most are my sex. Are happy with my sex. Of them will out most of them will come out the other whats worrying, the other side. Whats worrying, however, is what the however, and this is what the pressure activists pressure groups and activists know if you get them on know is if you do get them on puberty 98 puberty blockers, 98 of them will take cross sex will go on to take cross sex hormones , cross sex hormones hormones, cross sex hormones that cause infertility damage your bones, cause pain. Weve seen a seven point drop in iq in some studies when theyve gone to on these hormones. These are not benign and already mermaids are out this morning saying this is a travesty. We must help our is a travesty. We must help our children. They are not helping our children. This is helping our children. This is helping our children. This is helping our children. This is helping our children. And i applaud this. And long may it last. Norman. Table manners , norman. Table manners, whatever table manners mean , my whatever table manners mean, my wife is particularly obsessed with table manners because shes got this hearing disorder where she. Were hearing is sensitised. So she will hear slurping, chomping, any she shouldnt be slurping or chomping at the table. Eamonn. Eamonn. Maybe thats the problem. Maybe thats the problem. Believe i am. She hears. Believe i am. But she hears. She it. She hears it. And she hears it. She hears it. And but but table table manners in in general, for instance, i dont believe the americans have table manners at all. I was brought up watching cowboy films and whatever, and they only ever eat with one fork. Oh they do. Thats perfectly true. My. Dare say that my, my true. My. Dare i say that my, my father in law and mother in law were were americans. And the way they eat is quite different to how i was brought up to. It was one fork in the right hand. Yeah, yeah. When i first saw them, i actually genuinely said , them, i actually genuinely said, trying to be helpful. Oh. Is there an issue with your left hand and actually, no, there was an issue with the left hand. Thats the way eat. But thats the way they eat. But look, i table manners look, i mean, table manners generally, people to sit generally, if people were to sit in television in the sofa and watch television with takeaway, thats with a with a takeaway, thats fine. An issue about fine. Its not an issue about that. The issue, i think, that. But the issue, i think, is, of families is, first of all, families arent eating together much arent eating together as much as to. And i think the as they used to. And i think the idea a sitting around idea of a family sitting around at the same time having a meal is a thing do. Is quite a good thing to do. Its and secondly, its a unifying. And secondly, when the table when they do sit round the table together, ought to behave. Together, they ought to behave. I in a particular way, i think in a particular way, im quite in this, quite Old Fashioned in this, you know, think know, i dont think its appropriate to appropriate for someone to start eating meal everybody eating a meal before everybody else their food in front else has got their food in front of i couldnt agree more. Of them. I couldnt agree more. Example, especially for example, especially the person is still person whos cooking it is still on feet. On their feet. Say this as somebody whos i say this as somebody whos usually and usually dishing up anyway, and nor to use mobile nor is it right to use mobile phones at the table. Absolutely. Absolutely. But you were talking but norman, you were talking about a takeaway, about eating a takeaway, watching whatever. Watching tv and whatever. I absolutely agree with you. Its perfectly remember perfectly normal. But i remember in the 70s it was like a total sin. If any of in the 70s it was like a total sin. If any of us in the 70s it was like a total sin. If any of us were to take a sin. If any of us were to take a meal, you just wouldnt have done it. You wouldnt have taken food to watch the television with. That just wasnt done. Well, it depends what youre on. For my money, whether on. For my money, its whether youre on own or whether youre on your own or whether youre on your own or whether youre of family. Youre part of the family. Clearly, the families at the table you should table eating a meal, you should be family. But if be with the family. But if youre just come back from work and take away, then and you want to take away, then whats wrong that whats whats wrong with that second point . N second point . I just want to second point . I just want to say about this, you look at say about this, when you look at if house and you if you go to a new house and you look showhome or whatever if you go to a new house and you lois, showhome or whatever if you go to a new house and you lois, they showhome or whatever if you go to a new house and you lois, they dont ome or whatever if you go to a new house and you lois, they dont have or whatever if you go to a new house and you lois, they dont have dining ever it is, they dont have dining rooms anymore. Right is rooms anymore. Right that is regarded as superfluous, a luxury. People dont use. Rather people would rather have a boot room or utility than boot room or a big utility than yes, a bigger, bigger sitting yes, or a bigger, bigger sitting room whatever, whatever room or whatever, whatever it happens room or whatever, whatever it hapbuts room or whatever, whatever it hapbut dining rooms are like if but dining rooms are like if you if theres any eating area, its a bar in a kitchen. Its at a bar in a kitchen. But can i just make the point . Eating off point . I dont like eating off a tray, food. Or, you tray, balancing my food. Or, you know, was a takeaway know, if there was a takeaway andifs know, if there was a takeaway and its a night treat, and its a saturday night treat, im my cushions, my im thinking my cushions, my carpet. At carpet. Id much rather sit at a table theres a wooden table where theres a wooden floor and i can make a mess. Yeah. You know, i just dont. I dont get any pleasure from sitting tv. Sitting in front of the tv. And, i i do think that and, i mean, i do think that we need to teach our children table manners because they will be the wide be going out into the wide world. And i agree you, world. And i agree with you, norman. Start on norman. Nobody should start on a table until everybody has their meal, mobile so meal, but also mobile phones. So i think its difficult for parents when theyre all working. A night working. So when we have a night in week where were both in the week where were both home, like night, did home, like last night, we did this, prepare, my daughter this, i prepare, my daughter sets the because daddys sets the table because daddys home i cook, she helps home early. I cook, she helps me. We then sit down me. We then all sit down together. Nobody starts their meal all got our meal until weve all got our drinks. We each other drinks. And we cheers each other and a nice meal and and say, have a nice meal and mobile phones. What . My daughter doesnt have mobile phones anyway the anyway would never come near the table. Also shes only five. Table. But also shes only five. She gets and does a she sometimes gets up and does a handstand remind that handstand and we remind her that were having dinner you need were having dinner and you need to sit down, know . To come and sit down, you know . So its good parenting. So i think its good parenting. It enables people to go it also enables people to go over and over the day together, and thats children to thats good for children to connect parents. They connect with their parents. They actually to that. Actually want to do that. A child would be chatting child would rather be chatting with parents sitting with its parents than sitting glued to screen. But parents glued to a screen. But parents often dont think thats the case. But you , yes, i agree with but you, yes, i agree with you about a child may rather be doing one than the other. But the thing is, the child doesnt really know. It would rather be talking to the parent. So you have to it along. So you have to help it along. You know the right route. And our loves evenings our daughter loves our evenings where the table where we all set the table together. We up together. Together. We clear up together. Its of teamwork. And its just part of teamwork. And you have get back to you know, we have to get back to some parenting. I think we cant let screens children. Let screens parent children. How daughter getting how is your daughter getting on knife and fork . On with knife and fork . Because my six year old my recently six year old daughter still wants use her daughter still wants to use her fingers. Probably american fingers. Shes probably american. Driving crazy. Its driving me crazy. Actually would like us mine actually would like us to she thinks shes probably. Occasionally to occasionally well resort to mummy. Any more. Mummy. I dont want any more. And i shovel it in, it and then if i shovel it in, it goes in. Oh, dear. Well get there. What did you have for tea last night . So we had greek lemon chicken with potatoes and herbs, with roast potatoes and herbs, roasted courgettes and some broccoli. Lovely. Lovely. Lovely. Wouldnt mind coming to your house. Thats quite good, yeah. Organic. Very good. Organic. Very good. We are. We are waiting on the, the government minister, kevin hollinrake, and i believe he is ready. Postal Affairs Minister , not quite ready. Minister, not quite ready. So thats okay. Weve got time for another story. In the meantime, should we talk about unemployment . Well, lets lets go a story. Oh, no. Hang on. Go to a story. Oh, no. Hang on. Im trying of a story im trying to think of a story to get norman involved in. But you can join any of these, you can join in any of these, cant ill join in, cant you . Ill join in, well talk unemployment. These talk about unemployment. These figures this figures came out around this time yesterday, and actually, its to be its under 20 fives seem to be significantly affected by these latest job figures or jobs. Yes. According to ministers. Yes. According to ministers. Good to go. Good to go. Ministers also come back to that. Apologies. Apologies. Yeah, kevin hollinrake, lets go to kevin hollinrake. Big day for Affairs Minister for him. Postal Affairs Minister. And mr holloway, morning. And mr holloway, good morning to. Can you hear. Can you to you. Can you hear. Can you hear us . Okay. Good wrongful post office convictions. Post office convictions. Things coming out a little bit, but i can do. Okay. Well, you you put your foot, you keep your finger on that. Can you hear me . Okay. Can you hear me . Okay. Yeah, ill keep a finger, if you dont mind aiming. Good lad, so what good lad. Good lad, so what is going to happen today with the, postmasters . The, postmasters . Well, were introducing legislation today, so we will. It means well quash convictions of hundreds of postmasters by july of this year, which has been long overdue, of course, but that will open the door to compensation for those people we hope to be start paying compensation to those people by august of this year. So a very important moment. Its an unprecedented parliamentary unprecedented in parliamentary history that were quashing those convictions in this way. But absolutely right but its absolutely the right thing to people have waited thing to do. People have waited far to have names far too long to have their names cleared and receive compensation. Were speaking to a number of those victims on the programme this morning who no doubt this morning who will no doubt be pleased to hear this be be pleased to hear this is finally happening. Just reassure us. You know, there is chance us. You know, there is a chance that some convictions of people who are actually guilty of crimes now be exonerated crimes could now be exonerated as part of this sweep through of this emergency legislation. This emergency legislation. Yeah, were very clear about that. Yeah, were very clear about that. You know, for us to go that. You know, for us to go through every, every case, every file, every every document would take years. We think. So thats take years. We think. So thats the. So wed rather than do that. We think the right thing to do is to exonerate everybody. We know the vast majority of these people are innocent. So these people are innocent. So better to let, ten guilty person people go free, as we said, rather than one one innocent people be prosecuted and condemned. So its the right thing to do, so, you know, we will put some mitigations in place. So to try and prevent people who are guilty and Getting Compensation or getting redress, but nevertheless , we do redress, but nevertheless, we do see that as a risk. But we think this is the least worst option. And its right we move quickly. Otherwise wed take years to be exonerating these innocent people and to be compensating them. Well, kevin, you used a word there quickly and i think in Many Political dilemmas, this is this is a big issue and its an important issue. And we look at this, these so called racist remarks by the conservative donor towards diane abbott, which which have come to light. I just want to ask you, my friend, there there is a statement. Its from downing street, but it is not from the Prime Minister. Why why is it not from the Prime Minister . I dont understand if he gets a spokesperson to speak on his behalf, why does he not just say this . This is my view . Well, i think if theres a spokesman for the Prime Minister, that is his view. I mean, i dont think he would contradict his own spokesperson. So i think you can take it that thatis so i think you can take it that that is his view. He said very clearly that what these these comments were racist and wrong , comments were racist and wrong, but also pointed out, quite rightly, that this is the most diverse cabinet in history. We are not a racist party. We dont condone those kind of racist, that kind of racist language , so that kind of racist language, so and the gentleman himself has apologised, but i think i say, i think you can take it from the factit think you can take it from the fact it is his spokesman that those are the Prime Ministers clear views. I mean , you say his clear i mean, you say his clear views, it took him all day to come out with them. I can think of 10 million reasons why it took him so long, and he just looks incredibly weak. Pipped to the post by badenoch, who the post by Kemi Badenoch, who wasnt call it out. Wasnt afraid to call it out. Well said. Kemi was very clear in terms of how she regarded this language. I think its very clear we shouldnt judge people, peoples character, by their skin colour. Its wrong its absolutely the wrong thing to say. It is a racist, racist language and we dont condone it at all. Gentlemans at all. The gentlemans apologised i think we should apologised and i think we should we should move on from what was the wrong thing to say in a private conversation. Well, youre moving on and theres so much to move on into. Kevin and what would you say to other post Office Office officials who are waiting for deliberation on their particular cases and what lies ahead . What is your message as we move ahead on this . On this . Well, my message is youve waited too long. We apologise for that. We apologise whats happened to you . But we are moving forward much more quickly in terms of paying compensation. The part of our the other part of our announcement today is that people the original people went through the original scheme. The horizon shortfall scheme. The horizon shortfall scheme. The horizon shortfall scheme getting a minimum of £75,000. So everybody whos got to say goodbye has been paid thus far. And some people , apologies to interrupt. Were out of time. Kevin hollinrake appreciate it. Thanks very much. The forecast. Very much. Heres the forecast. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain at will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday, in fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter and for everyone its going to be feeling much milder through the rest the week. But very heavy rest of the week. But very heavy rain persist parts of rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north lake district, north wales, the lake district, southern areas of scotland as well, particularly dumfries and galloway, of galloway, seeing the heaviest of the rainfall further north. It should dry apart should stay largely dry apart from some very blustery showers. It will be very windy across northern scotland. Gale force winds expected, but in the winds are expected, but in the south and east its going to be a afternoon. Breezy but a dry afternoon. Breezy but still mild with highs of 15 still very mild with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. If we do see any breaks in the cloud through tonight, the rain going to tonight, the rain is going to persist similar so persist in similar areas. So today wet and overcast today very wet and overcast across north wales and many Northern Areas of england, particularly across western coasts here. And we will see some of rain moving some outbreaks of rain moving into southwest by thursday into the southwest by thursday morning. It should stay dry though, the north and in though, in the far north and in the southeast. And for everyone, its going to another very its going to be another very mild to tomorrow. Mild start to the day tomorrow. The will continue to push the rain will continue to push into Northern Areas, but it will shift slowly but surely further north into the central belt. Some Northern Areas of some more Northern Areas of scotland. Seeing some rain later on in the day, well continue to see showers breaking out across southern areas wales. The southern areas of wales. The southwest as well. These could turn heavy and be blustery turn quite heavy and be blustery too, but again, the far southeast dry and southeast should stay dry and bright and we could see highs of 17 degrees by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on. Gb news. 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Out the details but elsewhere it will be very mild me out the details but elsewhere it will be very mild me a out the details but elsewhere it will be very mild me a little the details but elsewhere it will be very mild me a little later details but elsewhere it will be very mild me a little later. Ietails but elsewhere it will be very mild me a little later. On. Ls but elsewhere it will be very mild me a little later. On. In. With me a little later. On. In. Some breaking news to bring you in the last few moments. And were just hearing from the office for National Statistics that grew in january up 0. 2, that gdp grew in january up 0. 2, which means were out of recession, doesnt does recession, doesnt it . Does that mean that well out . Well mean that well find out . Well do analysis on all of that. Do some analysis on all of that. But be news and but this will be good news and very welcome, because its been but this will be good news and veveryelcome, because its been but this will be good news and v wheres Liam Halligan when you need him . Right. Okay, more on that as the program progresses. Racist and wrong. Thats spokesperson wrong. Thats how spokesperson for the Prime Minister has branded the comments made by major conservative donor about the mp, diane abbott. Shes the first black woman elected to parliament. While the comments from frank hester, a large donor to the conservative party, told a meeting that diane abbott should be shot and that she made him want to hate all black women, he has since apologised for his language, apparently , hes the language, apparently, hes the biggest ever donor to the conservative party. Yeah , this is in the lack of yeah, this is in the lack of immediate condemnation of his remarks, which are now causing the Prime Minister a bit of a headache. Lets find out just how big that headache is. James price joins us now. Political price joins us now. Political commentator. What do you think, james, maybe not the biggest ever headache in the long to do list of britains woes. Although list of britains woes. Although its great to hear that about the stats out of the gdp stats being out of recession , gdp at 0. 2. Its not recession, gdp at 0. 2. Its not exactly the 7. 4 that Ronald Reagan United States reagan got the United States going in the 1980s, but well definitely take whatever we can get right now, look, you have to caveat this as the minister said just then, that this is obviously these are stupid things said, you things to have said, you know, whether things as whether these things count as racist, i think the way that racist, if i think the way that the law works is that if the person whos the victim thinks they were, then were. And they were, then they were. And diane come out and diane abbott has come out and said she said that, i wonder if she thinks that same way thinks that goes the same way for jewish people and irish for the jewish people and irish people that she cant be people that she said cant be the of racism. They were people that she said cant be the comments racism. They were people that she said cant be the comments thatm. They were people that she said cant be the comments that had hey were people that she said cant be the comments that had dianeere the comments that had diane abbott whip abbott lose the labour whip herself almost a year ago, its just another unfortunate unforced error from the tories when, you know, weve got so many difficult things the country should really be focusing on. Yeah. And that a sign of and is that a sign of weakness from prime weakness from the Prime Minister . That, took minister . Not only that, he took him. Him so long say him. It took him so long to say what to say, that he what he wanted to say, that he was the post by was pipped to the post by someone openly looking, someone whos openly looking, possibly to take over from him after if he loses. After the election if he loses. And is Kemi Badenoch. And and that is Kemi Badenoch. And also fact that hes having also the fact that hes having these behind closed these meetings behind closed doors with Sir Graham Brady of the powerful and the ever powerful and influential 1922 committee, who are responsible for moving Prime Ministers on when theyve had enough. Its its a big shopping its a its a big Shopping List of task for rish, isnt it . Is weakness . I mean, id like is it weakness . I mean, id like to think that hes you know, he said the of downing to think that hes you know, he said thate of downing to think that hes you know, he said thate trying owning to think that hes you know, he said thate trying to ning to think that hes you know, he said thate trying to bring street that hes trying to bring accountability and decency and all. And i think all these things. And i think thats true on a personal level. Maybe thought that he maybe he just thought that he could his office and could sit down in his office and work long list of work on this long list of problems productivity problems of our productivity problems of our productivity problems got in problems of the war weve got in europe of the Energy Problems that these that were facing, all these difficult thought difficult things and thought that could leave this that he could just leave this thing to rumble out. Thing to, to rumble out. Unfortunately, things are unfortunately, these things are almost the case. Its almost never the case. Its almost never the case. Its almost better to head almost always better to head these off at the past, to these things off at the past, to use the of wild west use the kind of wild west cliche, be to cliche, and then just be able to get with it. So this story get on with it. So this story wouldnt rumble but wouldnt rumble through. But i almost like idea that we almost like the idea that we could look, stupid, could just say, look, stupid, dumb, talk dumb, lets move on. Lets talk about substantive. About something substantive. Raises the but the well, it raises the question judgement, question about judgement, doesnt baker doesnt it . We had norman baker on former liberal on obviously former liberal democrat the democrat minister in the coalition the Coalition Government with the conservatives and he was saying that he couldnt call it racism or afraid to call it out or was afraid to call it out because he didnt want to alienate a of his party, alienate a wing of his party, who we, of course, saw embroiled in a racism row. Weeks in a racism row. Two weeks ago. Do think fair . Do you think thats fair . Dont think so. At all. No, i dont think so. At all. I mean, i think that well talk about different wings the about different wings of the parties and all these things and phrases right wing, left phrases like right wing, left wing im wing get bandied around. Im not sure they actually sure how much they actually mean, got some mean, because youve got some people right of the people on the right of the conservative party who are economically right wing, you know, believe in a small state and theyre and pro business. Theyre also the happen to the same people that happen to be, from ethnic minority backgrounds. So saying backgrounds. So youre saying that going also be that theyre going to also be somehow racist for these things . No. Old boss, very, very no. My old boss, very, very sound on economic issues. Zahawi born Nadhim Zahawi zahawi born born in baghdad, came over here very, very sound on economic issues, you know, loves britain, all these things. So these kind of labels dont really help anybody on these things. The minister things. And as the minister said, theyre to be said, just theyre to not be too much of a but it is the much of a toady, but it is the most diverse cabinet ever most diverse cabinet weve ever had. Minister is had. The Prime Minister is a hindu from from an indian hindu man from from an indian background. Idea background. You know, this idea that the conservative party is full just full of racists is just completely the completely for the know. People would say but many people would say that was all the more reason that was all the more reason that he should have it that he should have called it out swiftly. Lets lets out swiftly. But lets lets park shall look, park that, shall we . Look, weve talked on talked about the good news on the we back into the economy. We are back into growth, a small growth, albeit in a small percentage, 0. 2 growth. Dont percentage, 0. 2 growth. I dont know means know if that actually means were of recession. Or does were out of recession. Or does it to a number of months it need to be a number of months in succession back now in succession and back out now we okay. Well, the we are. Okay. Well, the chancellor said he was chancellor obviously said he was prepared us to go into prepared for us to go into recession it meant it recession if it meant that it would help tackle inflation. And as was short and as long as it was short and shallow. Thinking shallow. So hell be thinking this working well this is the plan. Working well to extent, absolutely. To an extent, absolutely. That the bit thats i think that the bit thats frustrating these things, i think that the bit thats frusobviously these things, i think that the bit thats frusobviously therezse things, i think that the bit thats frusobviously there was hings, i think that the bit thats frusobviously there was hingliz and obviously there was the liz truss have truss time, which could have been was been so brilliant and was handled poorly and scared handled so, so poorly and scared markets of it. Markets and all the rest of it. But you know, we i think but we, you know, we i think its undeniable that the british economy needs a lot of different reforms i think what economy needs a lot of different refornstaring i think what economy needs a lot of different reforn staring downik what economy needs a lot of different reforn staring down the hat economy needs a lot of different reforn staring down the barrel of were staring down the barrel of is like what we saw in is Something Like what we saw in the 1970s, where you had inflation absolutely running away that was away trade union power that was really britain. And really controlling britain. And these into this kind of these turned into this kind of vicious cycle problems. Vicious cycle of problems. I think weve got here think the problem weve got here now cant anything now is we cant get anything built. To get built. So difficult to get infrastructure going. So infrastructure going. Its so difficult businesses get difficult for businesses to get going. Much going. Theres so much regulation on one side of the ledger says we have to ledger that says we have to gold plate issues and diversity plate green issues and diversity issues all these things, and issues and all these things, and no really taking account of no one really taking account of what growth going what we need, some growth going to people are to pay for things. People are getting costs are always getting older, costs are always rising , but getting older, costs are always rising, but were not doing that kind of business friendly environment outside environment now. Were outside the really could do, the eu that we really could do, and frankly, we really to and frankly, we really need to do for the schools and do to pay for the schools and hospitals care about hospitals that people care about so much. Fascinating to your okay, fascinating to get your take. Former chief take. James price, former chief of nadhim thank of staff to Nadhim Zahawi. Thank you indeed. You very much indeed. Time is 7 07. A very good the time is 7 07. A very good morning to you. The post office morning to you. The post Office Scandal. More on that today. The government will introduce a new bill set to overturn all wrongful conditions in the scandal. The Prime Minister has said the bill will mark an important step in finally clearing the names of hundreds of wronged branch managers. Well, joining us now is one of those victims. The former postmaster, christopher head. Good morning you, good morning to you, christopher. I dont know what year you got your wrongful conviction, but this has been hanging over your head for an incredibly time , how incredibly long time, how pleased are you to see this legislation being brought forward today, which will overturn conviction . Overturn that conviction . Yeah, i mean, i wasnt actually one of the ones convicted. I mean, i had, criminal investigation and also, a civil proceedings against me, obviously, ive been a long time campaigner, since i lost my office in 2015. And look , its office in 2015. And look, its just important that obviously this legislation is, you know, brought, brought before parliament and obviously passed before as , as before the summer recess as, as is the aim, because we have, you know, up to maybe 900 people with these convictions hanging over , and they need to be over them, and they need to be able to rebuild their lives and move on and access the compensation that they are, that they deserve. How much faith do you and how much faith do you have that they will be getting the compensation that they deserve . I mean, the government have said, i think as soon as is it may, around 150,000 or so will be a apportioned to most of those victims. But obviously that doesnt come anywhere close to what a lot of people are owed are entitled to. Yeah. I mean, obviously this is something that ive been campaigning for a long campaigning on for a very long time. Obviously thats just the interim payment. You interim payment. They can, you know, take the £600,000 fixed sum award. But again, even that amount for a lot of people that, you know, people whove lost their homes, that theyve lost their homes, that theyve lost their business, theyve had their business, that theyve had their business, that theyve had their you their reputations trashed, you know, some some people are no longer us not be longer with us that will not be adequate of to for adequate in terms of to for their recompense. And their financial recompense. And its important that, you know, we that, you know, we make sure that, you know, these people that go down the full assessment to have full assessment route to have their assessed, their full damages assessed, that obviously given that obviously theyre given adequate payments while adequate interim payments while that, is delivered. Because i said these people have been through so much and theyre in such, perilous positions right how. Now. Its a lot of people will look at today and theyll say , look at today and theyll say, well, thats good. This is the end of the matter. Is it the end of the matter, i dont think so. I think its maybe to be the beginning of the end, lets call it. I mean, i have actually said that many times since, i think 2019, when we had the last, had the case. Like i said, the court case. So, like i said, its start. We need get its a start. We need to get them convictions quashed, get that to them. That money delivered to them. I know announcement know that in the announcement there going there is theyre going to reassess plus claims reassess the 2000 plus claims that office already, that post office have already, gone through that Compensation Scheme and potentially topped them thats thing i give us an insight into your life and how it has changed. And i mean, what what do you do now . Are you still a post Office Manager . Would you be allowed to manager . Would you be allowed to be is the situation be and what is the situation with your life . I dont know whether i dont actually know whether i allowed to be or not. I would be allowed to be or not. Thats actually thats pretty, pretty question. I mean, pretty good question. I mean, i ran the post office from when i was 18, the youngest postmaster in the country back in 2006. And since 2015, obviously, i battled for five years with it, with, with over the civil with lawyers over the civil claim, and obviously when claim, and then obviously when that formally dropped, id that was formally dropped, id left the country originally because i couldnt find work in the uk because of everything that had then that had gone on, then i returned back to the uk, did some work there as well. And then ive campaigned, continuously ever since with my mp kit osborne. And so its just been non stop. I mean, if you, been non stop. I mean, if you, if you see my email inbox and my sent box, it is just continuous, emails backwards and forwards to the compensation advisory board, to ministers, to mps to try and, you know, push everything forward so that everybody gets the that deserve. The justice that they deserve. This itv drama, how much and this itv drama, how much of a game changer was that . Of a game changer was that . It was huge. I mean, look, i think things were things were happening in the background, but this propelled this really propelled it to a new and i because new level. And i think because the general public could resonate understand resonate and understand the suffering only the suffering that not only the postmasters actually their postmasters but actually their families went through, and it just said , you know, like just said, you know, like a light underneath all the Political Action thats gone on since. And it actually shows, i think, what can be done when theres public outrage and pressure on the politicians , pressure on the politicians, because things happen within days know weve been days when we know weve been waiting to waiting years for things to happen, its been very happen, so its been very, very important. We just need to important. And we just need to keep that pressure up to until this is over. Good man. Well, may it be over thank you much over soon. Thank you very much indeed. Very talking to you indeed. Very good talking to you this well leave it this morning. Well leave it there. At the time there. Thank you. At the time now. 7 12. Take a look lets take a look at some of the stories making the the other stories making the headunes the other stories making the headlines labour headlines today. And the labour leader, starmer, has leader, sir keir starmer, has promised a on assisted promised a vote on assisted dying party wins the next dying if his party wins the next election. Hes been speaking to Dame Esther Rantzen, whos recently revealed that she has joined dignitas , the assisted joined dignitas, the assisted dying clinic in switzerland. Starmer admitted hes personally in favour of changing the law. In favour of changing the law. The man and woman arrested in connection into the investigation into a funeral home in hull have both been bailed. A total of 35 bodies and what police have called a quantity of suspected human ashes have been moved to another mortuary after Police Received over a thousand phone complaints. And we want to hear from you if youve got a complaint, if youve got a concern , if youve got a view in concern, if youve got a view in all of this gb views. A gbnews. Com to america. Gb news. Com to america. Gbnews. Com to america. And its officially going to be a 2024 rematch between donald trump and joe biden. Both have now passed the delegate threshold and secured the nominations for the republican and Democratic Party overnight. And Democratic Party overnight. These will be made official this summer at their Party Convention and returning to some breaking news in this are on the economic front. The economy grew by nought point 2 in january, says the for Office National statistics. Yeah, and responding to these figures, weve just heard in the last few minutes from the chancellor, jeremy hunt, he said that whilst the last few years have been tough, todays numbers show progress in show were making progress in growing. Growing the economy. I got to park outside jeremy hunfs i got to park outside jeremy hunts front door. Thats very cool talk about parking tanks the lawn. Parking your tanks on the lawn. Well, see, its yeah, well, you see, its because of my disabilities. Now you get perks with that, you get a blue, a blue pass. And so i was the only car in downing street. I like it. I like it. I like it. I had to nip out and take a picture of it. Quite right. And where can we find this picture . Oh, no. oh, no. On, lets get this come on, lets get this picture show this picture on on the show this morning. Its worthy. Morning. I think its worthy. Its james bond esque. Its very james bond esque. I mean, you talk about people confusing george confusing you with george clooney. Very 007. Dont clooney. This is very 007. Dont roll eyes and ill tell you what. I was looking for pictures this morning because we were talking about, the, the, the, the cheltenham being styled wednesday. Yeah, and i was looking for pictures when we went. Ive sent some to cooper this morning. Oh. Oh have you. Oh youve got. Oh weve got them. Oh good. Good good. Because i couldnt find them on mine. It was very wet. It was very wet. You must have stolen a march day. Look at us there. Day. Oh look at us there. Yeah, but wouldnt. Yeah, but you wouldnt. Honestly, folks, do want to honestly, folks, i do want to tell not believe how wet you would not believe how wet i delighted i i look, how delighted i am. Yeah. Didnt have to walk yeah. We didnt have to walk far the rain. Really but that far in the rain. Really but that was box was. Was inside the box that was. That luckily. That was dry, luckily. Both had picture as but we both had a picture as well, you know. Well need find that well we need to find that very but no no no no. Very nice but no no no no. Somebody said oh ill take it, ill take it, ill take it off, you know, and amount of you know, and the amount of people literally cannot take people who literally cannot take a i a camera on a phone. So i thought i had picture of it, thought i had a picture of it, but hadnt got a picture of but i hadnt got a picture of him. So they framed it, him. So they, they framed it, but didnt press the but they didnt press the button. But they didnt press the button disappointing. But they didnt press the button dirdo pointing. But they didnt press the button dirdo pointthink of my hat . What do you think of my hat . What do you think of my hat . Think you. And i think it suits you. And i quite like a trilby on me as well. But you would have preferred if it drier. If it was drier. We would have preferred yeah, we would have preferred it but anyway, to it if its drier. But anyway, to all of those going, send your all of those going, send us your frocks. What youre frocks. Send us what youre wearing. Not called ladies wearing. Its not called ladies day style day anymore. Its style wednesday. Of which. Wednesday. Speaking of which. Sorry, were probably sorry, i know were probably a bit time, yesterday bit short on time, but yesterday we video call you and i. We did a video call you and i. Well, you know anyway, you well, you know me anyway, you were during were wearing your glasses during the actually thought the call, and i actually thought they think they really suit you. I think you them more. You should maybe wear them more. Have thought about have you ever thought about getting you getting some without any, you know, fashion glasses. Know, just fashion glasses. Glasses fashion glasses style. Fashion glasses style. They you well. You know, they suit you well. You know, i do the miss moneypenny i could do the miss moneypenny or whatever. Just a just a anyway. Just a just a thought. Anyone told thought. Has anyone told you that before sukh glasses . W p has anybody told you how clean are . Yeah. Clean they are . Yeah. Filthy. Want theyre filthy. I didnt want to say this. Just. Just. Someone needs do you favour. How does anybody. How do you do i mean, you know, we wear do it . I mean, you know, we wear makeup on her face. You touched your you your glasses. How does anyone do it . This is do it. Because every how does anyone do it . This is we do it. Because every how does anyone do it . This is we ddowniecause every how does anyone do it . This is we ddown your se every how does anyone do it . This is we ddown your glasses, time we put down your glasses, you like that. You put them down like that. Thats dirty. Yeah. Thats how they get dirty. Yeah. You need to put them lovingly like that. Give e e e give a nice and then give them a nice huff in huff and a puff when theyre in my or something. Its my pocket or something. Its just you touch the glass just when you touch the glass bit thats little glasses. Anyway, you. There anyway, let me tell you. There we shuttleworth, she we go. Annie shuttleworth, she has weather. Has your weather. Outlook with boxt a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain at will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday. In fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter and for everyone its going to be feeling milder through the feeling much milder through the rest week. Very heavy rest of the week. But very heavy rain persist for parts of rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north wales, the lake district, southern scotland as southern areas of scotland as well, particularly dumfries and galloway, heaviest of galloway, seeing the heaviest of the rainfall further north. It should largely dry apart should stay largely dry apart from some very blustery showers. It be very windy across it will be very windy across northern scotland. Gale force winds expected, in the winds are expected, but in the south east its going to be south and east its going to be a dry afternoon. Breezy but still very mild with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. If we do see any breaks in the cloud through tonight, the rain is going to persist in areas, so it persist in similar areas, so it will very wet and overcast will stay very wet and overcast across north and across north wales and many northern england, Northern Areas of england, particularly across western coasts here. And we will see some of moving some outbreaks of rain moving into southwest by thursday into the southwest by thursday morning. Stay morning. It should stay dry though. Far north and in though. In the far north and in the southeast. And for everyone, its another very its going to be another very mild start to the day tomorrow. The rain will continue to push into Northern Areas, but it will shift slowly but surely further north into the central belt. Some Northern Areas of some more Northern Areas of scotland. Seeing some rain later scotland. Seeing some rain later on day, well continue to on in the day, well continue to see breaking out across see showers breaking out across southern areas of the southern areas of wales, the southwest well. These could southwest as well. 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Yeah. Yeah, well, theyre going to ban coaches from coming in. Good idea. You say. But you say idea. If you say. But you say youre youre infirmed like me or youre 84 years of age and you cant go in coaches. No, but i could say i did say had a day out. No. No. But these beautiful little honey, sweet chocolate box cotswold villages which have tiny bridges over tiny tiny little bridges over tiny little brooks and babbling brooks. And then they have these thumping great coaches full of tourists. Brings the tourists but that brings the tourists to keep the economy alive. Well, just have to be well, they just have to be creative and think of better ways. Minibuses or something, you know, smaller groups. Thats like the way they wont big cruise ships wont allow big cruise ships into venice. Right, things like that. So , what do you think about so, what do you think about this . And if you live in burton or if you want to visit burton does this, i would always pronounce it bourton on the water. Just so you know , i was on my patch. I used to top of the west country. Sit and pull up. You on every pronunciation. Sorry. Yeah. Go on. Economics sorry. Yeah. Go on. Economics no, i know, i dont know why i say i dont know. You say economics, dont you, envelope. Envelope. Potato, potato. There we are. Bourton on the water. Bourton on the. So anyway, so heres a story of a lady who would be dropped off. Yeah. And shes nearly 90. Yeah. Dropped off in the outskirts of bourton on the water and we then have to walk for 30 minutes to get to the village centre. So thats an an all round walk of one hour. But its nice. It is nice. It is. Its gorgeous. Its gorgeous. Its gorgeous. Its gorgeous. I do love it round there. Okay, still to come, were going to be talking about lily allen. She something quite she said something quite controversial yesterday. If youre will youre a mum, perhaps this will resonate she said her resonate with you. She said her kids her career. Oh, kids wrecked her career. Oh, dean kids wrecked her career. Oh, dear. Can have all . Dear. Can women have it all . Well next. Eamonn was is showing me a picture of him and lily allen. Theres no end to the pictures this morning. I want to i want to get that one on screen. Were going to get downing street up as well. Was this or as well. Was this before or after by after she ruined her career by having children . After she ruined her career by havwell children . After she ruined her career by havwell , children . After she ruined her career by havwell , and hildren . After she ruined her career by havwell , and thaten . After she ruined her career by havwell , and that is . After she ruined her career by havwell , and that is the well, and that is the question because shes saying, you as a mum, you just you know, as a mum, you just cant have it. All. Kids get in the way. So shes kicked off a whole debate week, heading whole debate this week, heading out notion that mums out at the notion that mums cant it. No. Cant do it. No. See youre youre an you see youre youre an interesting one. Ask me. I dont think dont ask me. I dont think women can have it all. Put it out there. I think its really hard. Anyway in a discussion on the radio times podcast, allen admitted children had admitted having children had ruined star potential. Ruined her pop star potential. Lets talk about this with parenting specialist roman norris, who thinks they cant and mother of two and full time worker kirsty kettle, thinks worker kirsty kettle, who thinks they very welcome to they can. A very warm welcome to you and you know, my you both. And you know, im my opinion is kind of irrelevant, really. Much more interested really. Im much more interested to why , kirsty, you think to hear why, kirsty, you think that parents can it all and that parents can have it all and that parents can have it all and that lily allen is wrong. By parents i mean mothers. Firstly hi. Firstly, i think that, you know, blaming a kid for her career ending is quite harsh. Quite agree. I dont think i dont think our kids need that guilt that her mum didnt carry their mum didnt carry on her p0p their mum didnt carry on her pop career because of them. But i feel that women yes, you i also feel that women yes, you can it all, in the sense of can have it all, in the sense of having a career and having a family. But you need things in place to enable to have place to enable you to have that. Obviously our that. And obviously our childcare completely childcare system is completely up. The childcare system is completely up. The swanee, shall we say, at the moment, its stopping lot the moment, its stopping a lot of back to work, of women getting back to work, flexible happening Flexible Working isnt happening for women, and keeping for many women, and its keeping them workplace. But them out of the workplace. But equally , there are a lot of equally, there are a lot of women who run their own businesses who are very businesses now who are very successful, are finding ways successful, who are finding ways around are of around that. There are a lot of dads now on parental dads now taking on parental responsibilities. Dads now taking on parental res hoursilities. Dads now taking on parental res hours time. Dads now taking on parental res hours time when i dads now taking on parental reshours time when i do dads now taking on parental res hours time when i do the an hours time when i do the school run, therell be plenty of dads doing the school run. These days. You know, theres a lot more grandparents taking on the childcare responsibilities. So but need so it is possible. But you need to all things in to have all these things in place to make to make it successful. And you speak as a mum of two. Old your two. How old are your youngsters . Two. How old are your youngsterseldest is almost 11 and so my eldest is almost 11 and my youngest is seven. Okay. And do you think it has okay. And do you think it has been worse than it is now, or do you expect it to get worser . You expect it to get worser . I dont think its necessarily worse. I think, it necessarily worse. I think, it depends on your career. It depends on your career. It depends on your job. It depends what you want to do in life and i think, you know, having it all means Different Things to different people. Know, different people. You know, there mums who there are plenty of mums who choose, lily allen to stay choose, like lily allen to stay at home. And shes a very at home. And shes in a very privileged position where she can choose to that. Lots of can choose to do that. Lots of mums to go back to work. Mums have to go back to work. They choice and they can they have no choice and they can then feel guilty for going back to work because they feel like theyre not living up to the expectations that other people, you know, say you should be as a mother. Well every time isabel works, she says, you dont make this about her, but it is about you because people watch you and they you. They see you. How she get up this time how does she get up this time in the morning do this . But in the morning and do this . But how times she will to how many times she will say to me, not there for the me, oh, im not there for the kids , or i feel if im not kids, or i feel as if im not there for the kids, which she is. She does everything. Job, 100 is my number one job, 100 is mum and Everything Else i do is to their life really , my to enable their life really, my career is secondary to my children. I know a lot of mothers would feel the same. I mean, what do you think, kirsty . Can you have it all or is it. No, no, roman, were going to ask roman. Sorry, roman. Ask roman. Sorry, roman. Done kirsty. Weve done kirsty. Weve done kirsty. Because thing roman. Because the thing is, you are parenting specialist you are a parenting specialist as speak with a lot as well. So you speak with a lot of but still. Of authority on this. But still. And saying the and kirsty was saying the organisation of the organisation is there. You can maybe do something about it, but you speak as someone who knows what the is , is involved the organisation is, is involved and you still say a well, the thing is, parenting is already parents are already an oppressed group , because if you think group, because if you think about it, you do a days work and you go home and you pull another , maybe up to eight hours another, maybe up to eight hours with your kids and your childless colleague goes home and watches netflix, and you both get paid the same amount. So if you add to this being a woman, youre probably more likely to be doing the lions share of the child rearing , share of the child rearing, youre probably carrying the mental load, the domestic load , mental load, the domestic load, the emotional load and the social load for the entire family may be doing similar unseen things at work , and unseen things at work, and particularly in high powered environments , women are bending environments, women are bending themselves into pretzels to keep up with their male peers. This is going to take its toll on mothers. But look at a mother like lily allen. I mean, in fairness, lily allen. I mean, in fairness, youre talking about someone whos mostly going to theyll rehearse during the day, theyll record during the day, they record during the day, and they perform night. And not only perform at night. And not only do at night, they do they perform at night, they perform in aberdeen, they perform in aberdeen, they perform they perform in plymouth, they perform in plymouth, they perform in plymouth, they perform in paris, berlin, whatever. So, you know, she she gets it in every direction. I mean, that really must be tough if at all possible. If at all possible. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, shes shes under a lot of pressure. Im sure her schedule is demanding and perhaps not that flexible , and i think, like that flexible, and i think, like kirsty said, you know, its not always a choice. Some women have to work. And of course, there are a thousand ways to raise a good family , i think rather than good family, i think rather than , the sort of practicals that we need to put in place. If you are a career woman, you want to be thinking about how to connect. Really effectively with your kids so that the short windows of time that you have with them really count, and also undoing the unhealthy patterns that you inherited from your own childhood so that you can be more present and more available when you are with them , yeah. When you are with them, yeah. Kirsty, just, just in all of this, we talk a lot about, you know, can women have it all . What about the kids . I feel like the kids always come secondary. You know what . What is best for children, really . Is it to have regular it for them to have regular contact their contact with one of their parents, or is it best, you know, for their parents to be earning a good wage so that they can have all the things that they want . Mean, these are the they want . I mean, these are the dilemmas that parents grapple they want . I mean, these are the dilerallas that parents grapple they want . I mean, these are the diler all the|at parents grapple they want . I mean, these are the diler all the time. Rents grapple they want . I mean, these are the diler all the time. Probablyiple with all the time. Probably children at of the day children at the end of the day would they just want their would say they just want their mum would say they just want their mu yeah, they want to spend time yeah, they want to spend time with for sure. With their parents for sure. I mean, know, youre a mother mean, you know, youre a mother yourself. You know its yourself. You know what its like. Kids very yourself. You know what its like. At kids very yourself. You know what its like. At pullingkids very good at pulling on the heartstrings making feel heartstrings and making you feel guilty. The time guilty. Pretty much all the time about something. Know, even about something. You know, even doing morning, doing this call this morning, its at that time in its like, what, at that time in the morning, know, because the morning, you know, because im out their im not there sorting out their breakfast with them or something. It, know . Something. I get it, you know . But, know, honest, but, you know, if im honest, i dont feel that guilty. But, but i you as mums , we i think, you know, as mums, we do guilty all the time do feel guilty all the time about , whether we about everything, whether we work, we dont we work, whether we dont work, we always some of always feel guilty. And some of that the pressures that you that is the pressures that you feel everybody the feel from everybody outside the noise comes to noise outside that comes in to make you that way. You make you feel that way. You know, can scroll through know, you can scroll through social and read social media and youll read a post and youll oh, thats post and youll go, oh, thats made feel really bad today, made me feel really bad today, so kind changing your so its kind of changing your mindset more a mindset and having more of a can do attitude than a cant do attitude rather than a cant do attitude rather than a cant do and finding the do attitude. And finding the times, said, you know, times, as roman said, you know, when your children when you are with your children to good quality time, to make it good quality time, you know, it doesnt be you know, it doesnt have to be 24 7 children, long you know, it doesnt have to be 24. If children, long you know, it doesnt have to be 24. If youve children, long you know, it doesnt have to be 24. If youve got|ildren, long you know, it doesnt have to be 24. If youve got the an, long you know, it doesnt have to be 24. If youve got the weekends] you know, it doesnt have to be 24. If youve got the weekends , as if youve got the weekends, you spend it doing stuff with them nice 1 to 1. And them on that nice 1 to 1. And like i more dads are taking like i say, more dads are taking on parental responsibility. So does mum isnt does it matter if mum isnt there the time , if dads there all the time, if dads going to be there instead . Probably not. And i see that lots in work. I work with lots in my work. I work with lots in my work. I work with lots with dads as as mums. Lots with dads as well as mums. I it loads all the time. You i see it loads all the time. You know dads are there, you know, doing are doing their bit. The times are changing. Well continued success i feel well continued success to of you. I hope to both of you. I hope everything out and everything works out well and continues well for continues to work out well for you. Kirsty and roman, thank you for thoughts today. Thank for your thoughts today. Thank you much. Yet lots of you very much. And yet lots of people in relation to people speaking in relation to that. Im just very lucky. I was just sitting, thinking, listening to the ladies there and just thinking of my, my parents and i what their parents and i know what their jobs and i know what their jobs were and i know what their specific was, i specific definition was, and i know it was job to get on and know it was my job to get on and fight my brothers and play fight with my brothers and play with do all sorts of with them and do all sorts of things. And i look at it and i think there was no thought put into we got through it, but into how we got through it, but we we were very happy we did it and we were very happy and, and i dont know, and, and, and i dont know, i think its when you start analysing things my parents im sure, sit analyse how sure, didnt sit and analyse how much time they spent with each one of us. They just did. And the other thing we did was all this Health Safety rubbish. This health and safety rubbish. My father had a carpet fan and we just bungled in back we were just bungled in the back of belts, nothing of it. No seat belts, nothing else. We had great time. Theres nothing fun roll of felt nothing as fun as a roll of felt in back, ill bet, because in the back, ill bet, because the thing is, you didnt need a seatbelt because if he pulls up, he goes straight into the carpet. Straight into it. Right. Were straight to cheltenham. Are. Were going to do we are. Were going to do that a right. So that in a second. Right. So weve who weve got arsenal who went through league weve got arsenal who went thro we league weve got arsenal who went thro we talk league weve got arsenal who went thro we talk about league weve got arsenal who went thro we talk about days eague weve got arsenal who went thro we talk about days ingue weve got arsenal who went thro we talk about days in nam and we talk about my days in nam. Cheltenham is of course cheltenham. Cheltenham festival day two and our great friend paddy ashpole ex jockey is going to be with at penalties. Penalties were going to penalties in the sport this morning. Paul coyte. Im referring to the Champions League last night. Yes, through to the quarterfinals for the first time in a million years. Thats right. Thats right. Is. And did by. By penalties. I like penalties , dont you i like penalties, dont you know. Do you not know why. Know. Do you not know why. Because i find football nervous enough watching it and anxious enough. And i just think it can just go any way on penalties. That makes it great for me. That makes it great for me. Do you ever take a penalty . Do you ever take a penalty . Have i taken a penalty . Yeah, probably have done. But like on a real football pitch i did it at what was highfield road was like coventry. Coventry city. Yeah. Coventry city. Yeah. And they had Steve Ogrizovic was the. Thats him , the was the. Thats him, the coventry keeper. Dear god it was impossible. I mean i hit the out of five. I hit the post twice. Of five. I hit the post twice. Ogrizovic saved one and he got lucky. Yeah, yeah yeah. Tell me how many penalties did you have then. Five. Oh so you take five. Yeah. So is this affecting your thoughts on penalties . Yes. Its what it is isnt it. Them against richard keys. And beat me by penalty. And then he beat me by penalty. Right. Annoying. Right. That was very annoying. Hairy hand comes up, plucks them so well anyway thats david raya. David raya was the steven ogrizovic of last night. So it was. It was one nil to porto after the first leg. Yeah. Arsenal got it back to one one. And then going into the second half you think its going to be arsenal are still going to turn this no it went on this around. But no it went on because theyre a wily team because theyre a wily old team porto. Someone like porto. Youve got someone like pepe whos actually the pepe whos 40 whos actually the same as as captain black, same age as as captain black, mikel arteta, the arsenal manager. And so hes been manager. And so hes been playing for a long time. So you know, it was a hell of a game. Went to penalties. Arsenal came through into the next round for the first time in 14 years, and that draw will friday that draw will be made friday friday friday games friday friday two more games today friday friday two more games tod thank you, we can say under thank you, we can say under starters orders. Oh, cheltenham. Starters orders. Oh, cheltenham. Weve got paddy aspell, who, was. Well, youve retired for many years now. Paddy. You look, youre bones hardly look formed, but yet youre in retirement land and. Good morning. Good guys. Yes. Five years in retirement now. Seems a lot longer, to be honest, but. Yeah. No, i like to honest, but. Yeah. No, i like to keep in shape and, so its all good. So you went yesterday. What so you went yesterday. What was that feeling like, knowing that you werent going to ride a horse . Horse . Yeah, you do get a little bit envious , for sure, but, you envious, for sure, but, you know, these are very tough, hardy guys. Theres certain things i do miss about the job, but, when i see 1 or 2 of them coming back in with with mud down their breeches and maybe not looking so clever, i thought i was happy enough with my position. Then paddy, let me ask you, what is the day like for a jockey at cheltenham . Youre a former winner there at cheltenham. Is winner there at cheltenham. Is it something can enjoy . Is it something you can enjoy . Is it something you can enjoy . Is it another job . Turn it just another job . You turn up, do job and clear up, you do your job and clear off . Does it feel special . Whats like and what is the whats it like and what is the day a jockey . What time do day for a jockey . What time do you turn up a certain race you turn up for a certain race and when do you go home . Well, i suppose it all depends on your location. But a lot of the irish trainers, theyre already here, so the horses are on site. So the guys will be up here first thing in the morning to set times where horses have got to be on, and then off the track for morning exercise. So yeah, always anything to do with racehorses is an early start. Maybe not so bad in the winter because we havent got the daylight hours, but generally a six or a but its generally a six or a 630 start. And, yeah, its exciting , but butterflies as exciting, but butterflies as well. But its nervous excitement. These are big days and you know, it. Its very, and you know, it. Its very, very competitive. But you also appreciate the fact that youre very lucky to be here as well. But top of my list, top of my list on race day would be paul and i are the same. Our bodies are temples and we prepare for this presentation of a morning, by by by an acute fast regime. And we have the win as well before we come into the studio, dont we . Yeah yeah. So what do you actually eat . If anything, going race day, if anything, going on race day, my . My friend . Well, i was quite lucky, for, at the end of my career, i did switch to ride on the flat full time, which meant an awful lot of weight restriction. But when i was riding overjumps, i could make the bottom weight easy, which was ten stone. So eating for me was never a problem. But trust me, the black coffee and well, maybe gone are the days that cigarettes , black coffee that cigarettes, black coffee and cigarettes was the, the main stronghold of the diet for a lot of jockeys. But sports nutrition, the data that jockeys have nowadays and recovery and looking after your body is, is really in the forefront nowadays. Its moved on and thankfully it has an awful lot. But its a difficult industry because some of these jump jockeys are big guys and theyve got to make way every single week. Itll be a long week, longer week for the horse. I think. But, but but lets i think. But, but but lets talk about what how you found yesterday. It was a wet old day, but its not ladies day style. Wednesday today. What are you looking forward to today, paddy . You know where im heading . Im heading toward some tips from you. What can we you. But, what can we look forward at cheltenham today . Forward to at cheltenham today . Well, it was a wet start yesterday morning , to be fair, yesterday morning, to be fair, it was, but it cleared up and the rain stayed away all day in the rain stayed away all day in the end, but it was overnight and Early Morning where the track got a proper soaking , but track got a proper soaking, but as i mentioned, the rain did stay away, and it brightened up, and it was a reasonable day. I was outside working , all day was outside working, all day yesterday. And to be fair, until about the last race, which was half five, it started to get a bit chilly then, but on the whole everybody was dressed accordingly, wrapped up and yeah, it was a very, very enjoyable day. Not as busy as i expected, but still a real good day. Willie mullins there, Willie Mullins winning more so. So what mullins winning more so. So what do we think about Willie Mullins today . I do we think about Willie Mullins today . I mean its the elf al fayed yolo is everybodys talking about in the queen mother champion chase. Is that the one for you and is there any outsiders you might have for us there . There . Yes. He there . Yes. He will be priced accordingly to a very, very solid horse, hes a strange one, really, because he knows how much he can get away with when it comes to the jumping department. Hes very quick , department. Hes very quick, hes very low. He doesnt spend too much time in the air. This guy too much time in the air. This guy , and he can give his punters guy, and he can give his punters a fright because he likes to nudge a fence here and there. But a very strong, powerful but hes a very strong, powerful horse. Huge engine, i dont think beat today. Think they get beat today. Willie mullins won the feature yesterday. I think hell win the feature today. He ended up with three winners yesterday. He didnt get off the winning start, afternoon get start, but the afternoon did get better as we went along. But as you can expect, got another very strong hand today and i certainly cant see past el fagiolo in todays feature. Again, good man paddy. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. You have yourself a good day. Hope its drive for you as well. Thank you. Appreciate it, did we get off to a start, guys . A winning start, guys . A good day. Oh, yeah. Have a good day. Oh, yeah. Have a good day. Oh, yeah. What happened our syndicate . Well, i wasnt going to mention about the mention anything about the syndicate. It begins syndicate. The its it begins today. Syndicate. The its it begins today. Okay, well start the today. Okay, well start the syndicate today. Dont want to syndicate today. I dont want to talk forgot, didnt you . Im going some more im going to get some more tips, then well see how tips, and then well see how things for 830. Things go for the 830. Ill have tips for ill have some more tips for you. See. And i should say, just listening to and him listening to paddy and him talking he took on talking about what he took on race and i sipped this all race day, and i sipped this all day. Is water know. Im so glad youve wised up to that. People will think so. Now people will think so. Good coffee something . Now people will think so. Gocitsoffee something . Now people will think so. Gocits not. Something . Its not. Its not. Just hot. Its just hot. Its just hot. Very, very good for you. Very, very good for you. Is it good for you . Is it good for you . Just really good way its just the really good way to the morning water. To start the morning hot water. Dont to start the morning hot water. Dorim not the. Im not im not the. Im not a scientist. Nobody believes its hot water. It is hot water. I know but it is hot water. I know it, i know it is. I can see it. But would but most people would not believe it hot water. Believe that it is hot water. But it is. But it is, it is, it is it is it is. Ive got to say goodbye to you, paul. Weve got to say hello to our paper reviewers wholl with us well be all right. Lets go through stories. Making the. The papers today. And weve got norman baken today. And weve got norman baker. And weve got medical writer doctor renee hoenderkamp, nice to see both of you here, norman, what do you say about the diane abbott situation and how it is developing . How it is developing . Well, its developing in a way that makes the Prime Minister look weak and out of control. I think it is. And just speaking to renee off off camera and wondering whether one of the reasons hes taken the limp view, he has is because he doesnt want to upset this big tory donor, who is, i think, one of the biggest donors to the tory party hes the biggest ever and hes the biggest ever donon and hes the biggest ever donor. But you take would donor. But can you take would you be able to have access . People say this, we should people say this, oh, we should just £10 million just hand back the £10 million that been donated. As that has been donated. Is it as simple as that . Would they still have million theyve got . Theyve got a bank account full of money, so im sure they could back if they wanted. Why reward him, though, with giving 10 million back . Giving him ten, 10 million back . They should keep that i mean, they should keep that money people. Money and just people. Tempting, but that moneys tempting, but they didnt stand. Could donate well, then they could donate that money to a charity that combats for example, i combats racism for example, i almost think more of a story here is, well, the fact that it took Kemi Badenoch to call this out rather than rishi sunak, you know, i dont know. I dont know what to say. You could have had ownership of this. It could have owned it. And i just dont know what its going to for take him to realise he needs to be more decisive. Yeah. Should be on front you should be on the front foot of this. He said right foot of this. If he said right away, wrong, is away, this is wrong, this is racist having this racist and were not having this a conservative party, he would racist and were not having this a corgotative party, he would racist and were not having this a corgot himself rty, he would racist and were not having this a corgot himself some would racist and were not having this a corgot himself some brownie have got himself some brownie points from points actually, apart from anything points actually, apart from anywell, said he should have well, we said he should have learnt Prime Ministers learnt from Prime Ministers of the taken the past if boris had taken control of the pincher control of the chris pincher situation front, he may control of the chris pincher situeben front, he may control of the chris pincher situebe the front, he may control of the chris pincher situebe the primefront, he may control of the chris pincher situebe the Prime Minister may still be the Prime Minister today. This what rishi is today. And this is what rishi is now running now doing. Hes running away from hiding from problems and hiding and nobody heres nobody respects that. And heres a you know, theres a man of race. You know, theres every for him to speak every reason for him to speak out. Out. And renee, i want to talk to you about a bath. You about having a bath. Right. Right. Now. Amy. Right. Well, ow. Amy. Right. Well, from my. Right. Well, from my situation, because of lack of leg movement, i havent taken a bath in 12 years or so. And i really miss it because your other muscles ache and whatever from that. But ache and whatever from that. But the whole craze from almost everyone i know is to have cold baths. It is. So as a doc, what would you say about cold baths . Okay, so i think cold baths are horrific. Nick. However, are horrific. Nick. However, there are very good there is very good evidence that its very good evidence that its very good evidence that its very good for you that it resets the immune system, that it gets gets your body working in a way that it wouldnt work otherwise. And thats why people do this cold thing, cold swimming. Cold bath thing, cold swimming. Some have little ice tubs some people have little ice tubs in that get in their garden that they get into every day. Have tried into every day. I have tried doing shower bit for doing the cold shower bit for just a minute, which apparently doing the cold shower bit for ju minute nute, which apparently a minute a day. I just a minute a day. Ijust cant a minute a day. I just cant it. I just i cant do it. Do it. Like the i cant do it. I like the heat of my shower. Have the i have the why . I have the i have the shower on maximum heat. Yes, shower on the maximum heat. Yes, everyone that gets in says everyone else that gets in says it, but cant it, scolds them, but i cant even do of a cold shower and even do 10s of a cold shower and i think id have a heart attack if think have a if i genuinely think id have a heart got into an heart attack if i got into an ice i mean, is that ice bath. I mean, is that a risk, doctor . Well, tell me i have a medical excuse. Actually been to i have actually been up to manitoba canada, where there manitoba in canada, where there are water that say, are signs by the water that say, if you fall this water, if you fall into this water, youve seconds to live, youve got 45 seconds to live, because not good youve got 45 seconds to live, becyou. Not good youve got 45 seconds to live, becyou. So not good youve got 45 seconds to live, becyou. So yes, not good youve got 45 seconds to live, becyou. So yes, im not good youve got 45 seconds to live, becyou. So yes, im sure good youve got 45 seconds to live, becyou. So yes, im sure there for you. So yes, im sure there is a but i would imagine is a risk, but i would imagine just in shower it would be just in the shower it would be okay do just okay as well. Just do it. Just do bit. Do it bit by bit. Going ill try other going to ill try other health kicks, but not that one. Sounds like a helpful notice because hotel has got because in my hotel has got a sign saying caution water sign saying caution hot water next shower. Sign saying caution hot water nexyes, shower. Sign saying caution hot water nexyes, ifhower. Sign saying caution hot water nexyes, if youzr. Sign saying caution hot water nexyes, if you see about yes, as if you see about getting shower in getting into a shower though in a i have learned a hotel. What i have learned what ive change. Change the the dont change the arrangements. Last person arrangements. The last person whos right and whos in there got it right and the thing that amazes me is why theres no red or blue sign or powerful or not powerful. Powerful or not powerful. Youre left to guess. Youre left to guess these things. And ive realised through experience, the last person will probably got it just probably have got it right. Just turn it on. And. But some of these showers, you tell which is the you cant tell which is the temperature dial and is temperature dial and which is the dial. So youve the on off dial. So youve turned hot on the turned the hot on off in the process of trying to switch it on. You stand there on. And then you stand there going, ooh. If that last person and also if that last person in eamonn was a cold in the room eamonn was a cold shower fanatic. Or a scolder exactly. Yeah. Or a scolder like me. Like me. F p well, youre in trouble. Well, youre in trouble. Im really getting to what im really getting to is i understand theyre i dont understand why theyre not, why not not, stamped. Why theyre not printed , why thats didnt look pretty. Yeah, yeah , the way it is. Yeah, yeah, the way it is. Yeah, yeah, the way it is. But also youre saying that, a lot of people have stopped taking baths because of cost. Well, i cant believe that if theyre that worried about costs, assumes theyre costs, one assumes theyre actually using their heating costs, one assumes theyre acfull. Y using their heating costs, one assumes theyre acfull potential. G their heating costs, one assumes theyre acfull potential. So 1eir heating costs, one assumes theyre acfull potential. So the heating costs, one assumes theyre acfull potential. So the house; to full potential. So the house will be chillier anyway will probably be chillier anyway. They would. I cant believe they would then a cold bath. I just then get in a cold bath. I just cant believe that. I think its a nonsense. Do. I do. I do. Thats someone who lives in a cold house. Me too. Yes, me too. Okay, lets move on. Norman lots of debate about when this general election is going to be. And indeed, we had the 1922 committee having a secret meeting with the Prime Minister. Other people were suggesting he was going to be into was going to be pushed into a corner, others saying the tories dont corner, others saying the tories dont an corner, others saying the tories dont an election. Dont want an early election. Whats your own whats the spin . Whats your own view well . Do you think view as well . When do you think its going to be . Been warned by senior he has been warned by senior tory and hes apparently going to who usually know to the sun, who usually know what theyre talking about on these shouldnt these matters that he shouldnt go because have go in may because hell have a drubbing. I mean, he will drubbing. But i mean, he will have a drubbing in goes in may, but have an even bigger but hell have an even bigger drubbing because in drubbing in my view, because in october, isnt october, because there isnt an easy reality october, because there isnt an eazif reality october, because there isnt an eazif i reality october, because there isnt an eazif i were reality october, because there isnt an eazif i were rishi, reality october, because there isnt an eazif i were rishi, i reality october, because there isnt an eazif i were rishi, i would � eality is, if i were rishi, i would actually in may because actually go in may because i think he would cut losses. Think he would cut his losses. And at prime and if you look at Prime Ministers in the past, whether its john major or gordon brown, dragging the end just dragging it out to the end just annoys at large , and annoys the public at large, and they get more and more irritated and more and more determined to vote out. So and vote the government out. So and if he goes to if he goes on to the of the year, hell have the end of the year, hell have more the channel to more boats in the channel to deal have bad deal with and hell have bad Election Results in may. Elections, more by elections. He may even have a sort of leadership challenge some leadership challenge from some parts knows. Leadership challenge from some parts my knows. Leadership challenge from some parts my advice knows. Leadership challenge from some parts my advice to knows. Leadership challenge from some parts my advice to rishi,|ows. Leadership challenge from some parts my advice to rishi, imy. So so my advice to rishi, im sure he listening to what i sure he is listening to what i would to him is, if i were would say to him is, if i were you, i would go in may and take your medicine. Cant be your medicine. It cant be enjoying it. Hes clearly because i mean, hes clearly because theyre clamp on theyre going to clamp down on non doms, and non doms, arent they . He and his clearly to his wife are clearly going to make out of the country. Make an exit out of the country. As this done off to as soon as this is done off to la. Must be thinking id much la. He must be thinking id much rather in a job where im rather be in a job where im treated than treated with respect rather than constantly interesting. Treated with respect rather than con but tly interesting. Treated with respect rather than conbut ive interesting. Treated with respect rather than conbut ive to interesting. Treated with respect rather than conbut ive to haveasting. Treated with respect rather than conbut ive to have an ng. Treated with respect rather than conbut ive to have an early but ive got to have an early exit now. But it just to exit now. But it just got to move out. Norman and renee see you about 40 minutes time. You again about 40 minutes time. Thank indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Right now we see annie right now we will see Annie Shuttleworth the weather. Shuttleworth with the weather. That warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on. Gb news. On. Gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday in fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter and for everyone its going to be feeling much milder through the rest very heavy rest of the week. But very heavy rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north wales, lake district, north wales, the lake district, southern areas of scotland as well, particularly dumfries and galloway, heaviest of galloway, seeing the heaviest of the rainfall further north. It should dry apart should stay largely dry apart from some very blustery showers. It will be very windy across northern scotland. Gale force winds expected, in the winds are expected, but in the south and east its going to be a dry afternoon. Breezy but still mild with highs of 15 still very mild with highs of 15 or degrees. If we do see any or 16 degrees. If we do see any breaks in the cloud through tonight, the rain is going to persist similar areas. So persist in similar areas. So today and overcast today very wet and overcast across north wales and many northern england, Northern Areas of england, particularly across western coasts here. And we will see some of moving some outbreaks of rain moving into the southwest thursday into the southwest by thursday morning. Stay dry morning. It should stay dry though, the far north and in though, in the far north and in the southeast. And for everyone, its be another very its going to be another very mild the day tomorrow. Its going to be another very milcrain the day tomorrow. Its going to be another very milcrain will the day tomorrow. Its going to be another very milcrain will continue omorrow. Its going to be another very milcrain will continue t010rrow. Its going to be another very milcrain will continue to push . The rain will continue to push into Northern Areas, but it will shift slowly but surely further north into the central belt. Some more Northern Areas of scotland. Seeing some rain later on in the day , well continue to on in the day, well continue to see showers breaking out across southern wales, the southern areas of wales, the southwest as well. These could turn heavy and be blustery turn quite heavy and be blustery too, but again, the far southeast should stay dry and bright and we could see highs of 17 degrees by. Looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsor of weather on remarks of the labour mp diane abbott. Abbott. Yes, it finally came from number 10 last night that the remarks of the tory donor were wrong and racist. 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That is, of course , thank you, thank you. Course, thank you, thank you. Morning. Theyll be very heavy rain across northWestern Areas through the next few days, but elsewhere be very but elsewhere it will be very mild. Out all the details mild. Find out all the details with me a little later. Mild. Find out all the details with me a little later. On. With me a little later. On. So racist. And wrong. Thats how a spokesperson for the Prime Minister branded the alleged comments made by a major tory donor about the black labour mp, diane abbott. Diane abbott was, of course, the first black woman to be elected to parliament. The comments from a donor called frank hester. He is the partys biggest ever donor, told a meeting that diane abbott and i quote, should be shot and it made him quote again, want to hate all black women. He has since apologised. However , over its the lack however, over its the lack of immediate condemnation of hesters remarks, which are now causing the Prime Minister a political headache. Lets get the thoughts in all of this from Katherine Forster look, what on earth took the Prime Minister so to long call out racism . Have we gone backwards in this country . Gone backwards in this country . It seems to be becoming a bit of a pattern , doesnt it, when of a pattern, doesnt it, when theyre in an awkward situation, whether it be sir keir starmer with azhar ali, the candidate for rochdale, that they ultimately had to drop over anti semitic comments , whether anti semitic comments, whether it anti semitic comments, whether it be the reaction to the comments that Leigh Anderson made that finally cost him the whip, or whether it be the quite shocking remarks made by this tory donor that gave them £10 million, as politicians really seem to struggle to say what to millions of people up and down the country would be quite obvious. Now, the country would be quite obvious. Now, in the case of rishi sunak, they spent all day yesterday saying that the comments, that diane abbott should be shot, that it made, she made him want to hate all black women were unacceptable. But they would not say that they were racist. And then the business secretary, Kemi Badenoch, came out late in the afternoon , said on twitter these afternoon, said on twitter these comments are wrong and racist. Comments are wrong and racist. And lo and behold, a couple of hours later, the Prime Ministers spokesman said the same. Now what took them so long . Well, i suspect, its all to do with the fact that he gave the party £10 million last year. £10 million out of a total of 48 million they were given last yeah million they were given last year. Bear in mind theres a general election looming in admitting that the comments were racist. Then that begs the question which labour and the lib dems already asking, well, why havent given the money why havent you given the money back . Clearly they dont want to. They say , hes apologised to. They say, hes apologised profusely, which he has. Hes tried to ring diane abbott, who said that they make her feel threatened. Shes a woman. She goes out and about on public transport, so the calls for them to give the money back. Growing ihave to give the money back. Growing i have to say, i dont think thats going to happen. Okay catherine, thanks very much indeed. Joining us now in the studio , joining us now in the studio, co founder of conservatives against racism. Thats Albie Amankona , ill be i mean, amankona, ill be i mean, obviously, this is embarrassing, how hurtful to do you find or how hurtful to do you find or how shocking do you find it . Shock ing . I mean, even when you read out the comments just now. Eamonn i was shocked every time ihear eamonn i was shocked every time i hear the comments, i am shocked and shocked again. Look, in terms of where the conservative party has ended up on this issue, i would say we got in the end. I think it got there in the end. I think it was very disappointing that i was very disappointing that i was one of the only voices yesterday morning to come straight off the bat and say this comment. Kwasi this was a racist comment. Kwasi kwarteng said it on a bbc kwarteng also said it on a bbc politics show. Kemi badenoch tweeted about it later on in the day. But ill tell you whos not saying anything about it. The Prime Minister well, he said something about it later on. Later on in the day. Yesterday spokesperson well, exactly. In exactly. And i am sure that in Prime Ministers questions today, come up today, the question will come up and have to give a and he will have to give a straight and honest answer, because will be because anything else will be unacceptable me. But as i unacceptable to me. But as i said on conservatives where said on the conservatives where weve arrived this, we got weve arrived on this, we got there the end on question there in the end on the question about the money about whether or not the money should given back, which should be given back, which im sure Everyone Wants to know whether not that is something whether or not that is something which done. Ive been which should be done. Ive been very on this. I dont very firm on this. I dont actually it should be actually think it should be given back. View is that the given back. My view is that the money people money should be spent on people and that can improve the and causes that can improve the conservative right conservative and centre right race calls within the Race Relations calls within the conservative ensure conservative party to ensure that nothing like this happens again. Can come from this. Again. Good can come from this. The next steps matter, and i cant believe im even going to ask this question , albie, ask you this question, albie, but explain why it is but just explain why it is important to call out racism, not least when weve seen two mps murdered for doing their jobs because it is wrong. Its a simple matter of right and wrong. We know racism is wrong. Wrong. We know racism is wrong. Britain is not a racist country. Millions of people up and down the country will have heard the comments that were reported yesterday from five years ago. 2019 is not a long time ago. I remember 2019. Im sure you do. Im sure our viewers do as well. Im sure our viewers do as well. It was not a time where these comments were ever acceptable and millions of people up and down the country would have thought that was totally wrong. Thought that was totally wrong. And on the media and the minister on the media around morning was not around yesterday morning was not able to say what the country was thinking. Well, he must have been being told youre not imagine being told youre not allowed say and being allowed to say that. And being put front of the baying put out in front of the baying media. Its incredibly difficult position that ministers are being in. Thats weak being put in. And thats weak leadership. Yeah. Hugely difficult it is a hugely difficult position for ministers to put position for ministers to be put for in them, the position to change on in the day and change later on in the day and the conservative party needs to do better. You see, as you say, for a position to change later in the day, be things are day, ill be to me, things are either right or wrong, and its obvious the start obvious right from the start what right thing to do. What is the right thing to do. So you know, some 17 year old advisor telling you to do this, i would think, no, just get on and say what to be said. And say what needs to be said. There will be an argument though, i this equally though, and i find this equally distasteful that a lot of people will try and excuse this by saying, yeah, but its diane abbott were about here, abbott were talking about here, and will not a lot of and there will not be a lot of sympathy for diane abbott, but theres no room. I mean, this is wrong. Its wrong. Whatever way you at and whoever it is you look at it and whoever it is about, i have profound political differences with diane abbott. Profound political differences with diane abbott. I would never use language like this against diane abbott. She was the first black female mp elected in parliament. There are many black politicians that conservatives look to today, people like Kemi Badenoch for example, people like helen grant, people like james cleverly, bim afolami , for cleverly, bim afolami, for example, who i do not think would be where they are in politics today, were it not for people like diane abbott in the mid 20th century, blazing the trail black politicians in trail for black politicians in this country, we can disagree with politically. Yes, she with her politically. Yes, she said some very questionable and anti semitic in the past, anti semitic things in the past, but she deserves respect and she does not deserve to be told that she makes you want to hate all black people, or that she she should be shot. These are incitements to violence, racist comments and also misogynistic, unacceptable. Unacceptable. Abby, theres good news that the government would be able to be talking about this morning. You know, weve seen the economy grow, which is everyones been banging so long, we banging on about for so long, we could soon be out of this, this recession. It could be a short and shallow recession. The government much government will be very much hoping focus on that. Theyre hoping to focus on that. Theyre bringing legislation to bringing in new legislation to quash of these quash the convictions of these wrongfully but of the postmasters. But because of the delay nobodys delay and the dither, nobodys talking that. And that has talking about that. And that has to a serious question about to be a serious question about leadership. Need have leadership. Do we need to have a general now . General election now . Minister will call the Prime Minister will call a election when hes a general election when hes ready to call general ready to call a general election. I personally do not think would be a time think that would be a good time for general election, because for a general election, because it is very clear that there are kinks that be out kinks that need to be ironed out in the number 10 machine before we go into an election. I think the response to this racist, clearly incident over the clearly racist incident over the past couple of days has shown that there is something which is not working, and that needs to be quickly corrected, and there should a general election should not be a general election until correction has until that correction has happened. The until that correction has happened. The government and rishi good story to rishi sunak have a good story to tell on taxes, on bringing down immigration, although it is too high on new legislation which is coming forward about crime. Coming forward about crime. Theres a good story to tell, but things keep getting scuppered because of these pr mishaps and needs to be mishaps and that needs to be corrected there is a corrected before there is a general election. About future okay, what about future donations to the party in the run up to that election . Is there any way back for mr hester . I think it would be very difficult to see a way back for mr hester to the conservative party in terms of being a donor or even a member. To be quite frank, i would not be comfortable with to us continue to take money from this man. As i mentioned before, with the monies that have already been given party, ive given to the party, ive outlined i that should outlined how i think that should be on people and causes be spent on people and causes who further conservative who can further the conservative and Race Relations and centre right Race Relations calls, there should be calls, but there should be no further relationship with mr hester, this is the hester, given that this is the second racism row at the centre of the conservative party the of the conservative party in the last two weeks, been last two weeks, have you been contacted for contacted or approached for advice from number 10 . Given your capacity in setting up this, this group of conservatives against racism . No i havent personally been contacted. You know, ive met rishi sunak, i know some of the team at number 10. I know many conservative mps. Ive spoken to conservative mps. Ive spoken to conservative mps. Ive spoken to conservative mps privately. Im always here if people want to chat, im here help. Chat, im here to help. Conservatives against racism is here to help. There are many other groups that are to other groups that are here to help in conservative party help in the conservative party with like this. It didnt with issues like this. It didnt have to to this. The right have to come to this. The right line could have been taken yesterday and we would be talking about Something Else by now. But i think its so important to to you. And i think to talk to you. And i think its important look, were important to say, look, if were to forward this, if we to move forward in this, if we are, what would we do with this donation, would you see donation, how would you see it working . Who you see it working . Who would you see it helping . Just think its, helping . I just think its, again, sense. Again, common sense. Call albion, you. Talk to you albion, talk to you. Talk to you and associates with that and your associates with that sort thing. Its an sort of thing. And its an opinion. But its a its an essential opinion within the conservative party. I would have thought. Very much. Thought. Thank you very much. You, thank you. Be thank you, thank you. Ill be right. Well, we touched on it right. Well, we touched on it there. The post Office Scandal is the headlines today, is back in the headlines today, but government will but the government will be pleased this. Theyre pleased about this. Theyre introducing a new bill which will it would overturn will do what it would overturn wrongful convictions or wrongful convictions in the horizon scandal. The Prime Minister has said the bill will mark an important step in finally clearing the names of hundreds of victims. And one of those victims is the former postmaster, janet skinner, who was handed down a nine month sentence in two thousand and seven over an alleged shortfall of £59,000, which was absolute nonsense, was it not . Janet, how do you feel today about this new legislation . Well, 7 well, its . Well, its good for the people now coming forward, to have the convictions overturned and not have to go through what weve had to go through. Our fight for justice is weve had to go through. Our fight forjustice is being going for on, decades, it took from the Group Litigation in 2019 to actually get our convictions overturned in 2021. So its just it makes it, an easier, option for people to come forward. Now, janet, from your point , now, janet, from your point, you were handed a nine month sentence. So many years ago. Seven years ago or so , why did seven years ago or so, why did how was your life affected . Your conviction was quashed by the court of appeal, a few years ago. But what does all this meant to you . What is the human cost been to you . How is this redirect did your whole life, for instance , i am mum was for instance, i am mum was actually 17 years ago, its. It actually 17 years ago, its. It changed everything. Its changed me physically. I ended up, ill. Me physically. I ended up, ill. And its left me with mobility problems, and its just been an ongoing thing for decades. Its ongoing thing for decades. Its still ongoing, even though this new legislation has been brought into place today, weve still got the inquiry going ahead. There is police, investigations into the post offices, wrongdoings , so, i mean, really wrongdoings, so, i mean, really other than this of overturning convictions today, there isnt there is still no end in sight. The fight is still going on. Yeah, but john, heres what id love to know. We hear about this fraud that goes on and that you guys, you know, im not sure if its a shop you run, if its a pure, mechanical thing in relation to the post office or whatever form the business takes. But how do you end up stealing money . What are they talking about . Are they talking about someone buys a bag of jelly babies or 100 stamps and they, you know, you charge them £100 and put 60 in your pocket or what . What are you supposed to be doing thats cleaning this money off the post office . Putting it in your bag and walking out with it basically is what theyre saying. And youve been using it for your own, lifestyle choices. Holidays, cars , whatever expenses people cars, whatever expenses people they believe people have. But they believe people have. But the problem is, is the money was never there to have been stolen. It was the system , wasnt. It it was the system, wasnt. It wasnt fit for purpose. It wasnt fit for purpose. It wasnt fit for purpose. It wasnt fit for purpose. In 2000. In 2000, when it was rolled out. And it certainly wasnt fit for purpose in 2014. So youve got quite a lot of people who have basically put the money in the wallet. So put the money in the purses and walked out with it. Purses and walked out with it. Forjanet, anyone thats seen the itv documentary that has done so much to move the dial in the right direction on this story, well have a small sense of what this injustice has felt like. But from your own perspective , in your own words, perspective, in your own words, take us back to that day. You take us back to that day. You were in cuffs and sent to jail , were in cuffs and sent to jail, and you were lying in your prison cell, going to sleep for the first time. You were going to serve three months or so before you were let out. You must have lost all faith in humanity. I mean, what was going through your mind . How did that feel . So when you train, youre telling the truth to nobody wants to listen and nobody wanted to listen because it was it the post office. This it was the post office. This trusted brand that was in every stop shop , local shop and save stop shop, local shop and save the community. I mean, so going to prison, to be honest, i actually dont really remember a lot of that day. I remember bits of that day, but not a lot of it, i was actually put on suicide watch, for two weeks because of the state that i was in. Emotionally. I mean, i had two teenage children , and on the two teenage children, and on the base of my, legal team, they advised me to plead guilty to false accounting for the theft to be dropped, which, to be honest. Now, when you see it is whats been going on with everybody , theyve done the everybody, theyve done the exact same thing. I think the drama , what the drama has done drama, what the drama has done is, is its put our situation into laymans terms for people to be understanding it, to be drawn into peoples houses. But i think the heart of social media and the fact that you can stream and you can download things, i think its given it a such a bigger, wider audience. Such a bigger, wider audience. People can understand it more, and tell me what was what was it like being a, a subpostmistress was it a was it a good job . Was it something that you were content in doing . And how were content in doing . And how do you feel . I mean, if someone said to you tomorrow you could have that job back, what would you say . You say . So if i could turn back time and take that job back, id take it back tomorrow. I loved that job, and i and i did. Every day was a different day. And you was was a different day. And you was deaung was a different day. And you was dealing with the most personal thing to people , which is money, thing to people, which is money, it was the money in it sounds stupid. The money that the office carried was never a value to me. It became a value. When youre passing it over to that person. It was. And honestly, i genuinely, absolutely loved that job. But would i went for the post office now . Absolutely not. Their loss, janet, their loss. Were so pleased that these convictions will be quashed very soon. And were really grateful for you, given all of the impact that this has had on your life and your childrens lives, on your health, that youve taken the time to talk to us about it. Thanks very much, janet skinner, this morning. Thank you. Thank you. This morning. Thank you. Thank yougosh, you imagine gosh, can you imagine incredible. I just the injustice offered. Yeah. Just feeling like no one believes you did her own teenage children question her . Theyd totally legitimate to theyd be totally legitimate to doubt her because shed been found guilty of something awful situation. And i dont know that quashing the convictions and any paltry amount of compensation will ever really make up for what theyve suffered. Its 8 18 oclock on this wednesday morning breakfast and gb news with Eamonn Holmes and isabel webster. Time now for your forecast. Heres Annie Shuttleworth judith raanan. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain will persist across nonh heavy rain will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday. In fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter and for everyone, its going to be feeling much milder through the rest of the week. But very heavy rain persist for parts of rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north the lake district, north wales, the lake district, southern areas of scotland as well, dumfries well, particularly dumfries and galloway. Seeing heaviest of galloway. Seeing the heaviest of the further north. It the rainfall further north. It should stay largely dry, apart from blustery showers. From some very blustery showers. It will be very windy across northern scotland. Gale force winds expected, but in the winds are expected, but in the south east its going to be south and east its going to be a dry afternoon. But a dry afternoon. Breezy but still very with highs of 15 still very mild with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. 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Com forward slash win, please check the closing time if watching or listening on demand. Good luck listening on demand. Good luck what are you doing . What are you doing . What are you doing . Maybe im just slightly too small to be a jockey, but were crossing live to cheltenham. The latest day two of the Cheltenham Festival i im Christopher Hope, and im Gloria De Piero bringing you pmqs live here on gb news. Every wednesday, well bring you live coverage of Prime Ministers questions. When rishi sunak and sir keir starmer go head to head in the house of commons, well be asking our viewers and listeners to submit the questions that they would like to put the Prime Minister and to put to the Prime Minister and well to our panel of well put that to our panel of top politicians in our westminster studio. Thats pmqs live on gb news. Britains live here on gb news. Britains election. Channel. Election. Channel. Today, style day at the Cheltenham Festival. This ladies Cheltenham Festival. This ladies caught my eye today. Brilliant picture of her gorgeous page of the Daily Telegraph and a magnificent hat there paul. Yeah, its good because then you can take it off and you can rest your feet on it when you get home as well afterwards. Its one of those wonderful things say. Things you say. Day two of the Cheltenham Festival. Lets go to our man there, carson. Tell us there, jack carson. Tell us more. Jack yeah. Morning to you yeah. Good morning to you both. Its style wednesday both. Well, its style wednesday here at Cheltenham Festival. I think ive put on a decent bit of style as well to try and fit in with the crowd. The flat cap though firmly now with me. Though firmly now one with me. But a fantastic but yesterday was a fantastic first of here at first day of action here at Cheltenham Festival. Willie mullins course talked mullins of course we talked about didnt trying about him, didnt we . Trying to go festival wins. Go for a hundred festival wins. Hes got a few under his hes already got a few under his belt from his runners yesterday, so well break that so he could well break that record today. And certainly hopefully hell be thinking by the end of the week as well. Of course, today is style day. Its renamed traditionally, course renamed traditionally, of course called day called women and ladies day womens day. But of course its now style wednesday very much thinking from the jockey club and racecourse here, that and the racecourse here, that they wanted to kind of encourage slow theyre calling it slow fashion. Theyre calling it fast slow fashion, fast horses, slow fashion, so encouraging rewear encouraging people to rewear pieces or hand me downs and things like that. So thats why that name change has come from. But of course, were also talking yesterday about the kind of Animal Rights protesters that always , kind of Campaign Around always, kind of Campaign Around these times, of these festivals , these times, of these festivals, of course, and wanting tougher and stricter regulation around horse racing. And yesterday we did unfortunately see the death of a horse, highland hunter, just after the 250 coming round. The final couple of hurdles. It was very quick. There was a black screen that went up and that horse was sadly confirmed to have died later on. But we spoke to Nevin Truesdale from the jockey club about Horse Welfare. Heres what he told us. Its impossible to overstate the importance of welfare to the racing community, and how important equine welfare is. We have a moral obligation to make sure these horses are as well cared for as they can possibly be. As an industry, weve spent over 40 million in the last 20 years on welfare and improving welfare standards, not just on the tracks, but in the stables, on horse walks, at yards. On the horse walks, at yards. Really having absolutely at really having this absolutely at the of everything we do. The centre of everything we do. The simple that 99. 82 the simple fact is that 99. 82 of horses who go out to race come back perfectly safe and sound. Come back perfectly safe and sound. And yes, one fatality is sound. And yes, one fatality is definitely one too many. But the measures we are taking in terms of the track setup, the jumps, the conditions races the conditions of the races thats constant review. We thats under constant review. We have body called have an independent body called the welfare board that the Horse Welfare board that set a strategy 4 or 5 years a strategy for this 4 or 5 years ago. Weve been following that and been investing and weve been investing accordingly since. Accordingly since. So its clear there is obviously a strategy there. And all eyes once again will be on the racetrack here at cheltenham. Thank you jack, i still prefer the ladys hat. The Daily Telegraph as well. So we spend up. It seems to be such a predictable pattern that we go to a big event and we talk about all the downside of it, the protests and the fatalities and all this sort of thing. Theres two sides, of course, of it, but obviously its a great day as well. I mean, its a its a great festival. Well, i think when you use that word festival like christmas being a festival or whatever, i think people are looking to think looking forward to it. I think its miserable time of its such a miserable time of the and weve spent three the year and weve spent three months to here. And even months to get to here. And even though as will testify, though as you will testify, isabel, its very its not isabel, its not very its not the best time of the year seasonally to get the odd Beautiful Day at cheltenham weather wise, dont you . But most of the time you get the mixed bag. I dont know if that was yesterday or not, but it doesnt look to me. Yeah was. Yeah. Look to me. Yeah it was. Yeah. It was it. I think they yeah it was it. I think they were generally dry yesterday though. Was the lucky part. Though. That was the lucky part. Obviously was little muddy obviously it was a little muddy out i just worry about out there. I just worry about about with the about jack the way with the style of jack. I just wonder jacks going with that spiv look and just wonder everybodys and i just wonder everybodys going to him and try going to go up to him and try and place bets with him. It looks blinder. Looks like mickey blinder. Like hes from the he looks like hes from the peaky right . Peaky blinders. Right . Now so Champions League now theres draw theres going to be the draw this arsenal are going to this week. Arsenal are going to be included in quarter final draw. They are porto. It was yesterday. So there were one nil down arsenal. It was expected that these tweets. That there were these tweets. You was hashtag you see that it was like hashtag pray a lot of arsenal pray for porto. A lot of arsenal fans thought they were to fans thought they were going to walk over porto last night. It certainly a walkover, certainly wasnt a walkover, they go up into the they did go one nil up into the second just before second half just before the second half just before the second half. Then it went to nil, but that was disallowed. It went to penalties went all the way to penalties and came through and arsenal came through for beautiful penalties and everything well. And everything went very well. And theres looking theres mikel arteta looking very there. Black very happy there. Captain black right very happy there. Captain black riginot happy is Emma Raducanu not so happy is Emma Raducanu. And basically shes an indian wells. Shes, shes already out of this competition. She is in california but she is complaining and im not sure this is a good look. But tell us its balls. No, its not that. Its balls. Im just saying that its balls. Shes complaining. Shes talking balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking about the balls theres different balls because theres different weights different tournaments. I didnt know that. Yeah, because. They all to be because. But they all have to be the for a certain tournament. No, no dont. See, the no, no they dont. See, the thing is youve got for indian wells the manufacturer wells they use the manufacturer pen, are a different way pen, which are a different way to dunlop, you used in to dunlop, which you used in miami. Which is in miami. Slazenger which is in wimbledon. They have wimbledon. So they have to adjust that they play. Adjust the way that they play. And thats ridiculous. And she says thats ridiculous. Know i tend to agree with i know i tend to agree with her with that. I mean, look, you know, when we were growing up, i mean, footballs were the same way. There was used to be able to in the shops. Regulation to buy in the shops. Regulation size yeah bobby moore size five. Yeah the bobby moore football whatever. But football and whatever. But theres, regulation theres, theres regulation sizes worldwide. Yes. Size. The size is regulation size. The size is the same. Yeah. But the weight is different on some of these balls. So shes saying that you have to adjust it. And some of the balls are heavier than the other ones. And then thats affecting injuries. I know its been said before. So shes got been said before. So shes got bad wrists. Just dont see why you i just dont see why you would have different balls for different yes. Different tournaments. Yes. Courses and the horses for courses and the balls would be different. They shouldnt be different. They shouldnt be different. Think and then i agree, i think and then youre with emma, youre with emma. T t e emma. Im with emma. Emma. Im with emma im with emma. Im with emma on that one. Im very pleased, so board games, horsey board games. Yeah. Because thing is, yeah. Because the thing is, if to cheltenham, if you cant get to cheltenham, theres. You can bring the cheltenham home. So cheltenham to your home. So there a game that we used to there was a game that we used to play. I dont know whether you remember this called theroff. Have at this. If this have a look at this. If this nngs have a look at this. If this rings bell. There it is now. Rings a bell. There it is now. It was a record. Theres a few of these. We used to have this. So its you get a record and you would put you put the record. Everybody on their everybody would bet on their horses. Little horses. You get your little tickets. So youd all have a little bet and then the needle would go record, but would go on the record, but thered be different grooves for each the different each race. So the different recordings, thered be a commentary. Yes. Yes. And you go, yes. and you go, yes. And you go, so and so is and you go, and so and so is going to win. And so. And the thing is, you dont know which one so you put one its going to be. So you put the depending on the the whatever depending on the groove then would well, groove and then that would well, its for the whole family. Its fun for the whole family. Its fun for whole family. Its fun for the whole family. You didnt see anything. So you didnt see anything. Its like listening it on the its like listening to it on the radio, correct . But itd yeah, but itd be on a record. Ive still got it. Maybe ill it in for you. Ill bring it in for you. I used to have a game called. I think it was called formula one, by warrington. Warrington. Made that warrington made that warrington the warrington made to topple the other one. Yeah. They all other one. Yeah, yeah. They all made those sporting games made all those sporting games magnificent, magnificent. So how did that work. You got a little well you got a little dashboard you. That dashboard and you. Whats that were looking there. Thats were looking at there. Thats the choppily. The that came thats the topoli that came out in 1938. Still make it now. I think thats incredible, but one get but like formula one used to get a dashboard you would do a dashboard and you would do your on it and your your speeds on it and your braking power and all that sort of and right, roll the of thing. And right, roll the dice. And its very hard to explain, we enjoyed it. We explain, but we enjoyed it. We enjoyed was such that enjoyed it. There was such that was christmas. Was such a thing at christmas. Isabel. Would see, see isabel. There you would see, see you up you get a game you open up and you get a game like that. That made christmas. That and that made christmas. That is christmas. Horse racing in your it was horse racing in your own home. With like, kind of like yes. With like, kind of like the without the horses and the dog without the horses and the dog without the horses and the ggs. Yes. Yes. Thank you very much indeed. We will a there, we will take a break there, paul we will take a break there, paul. For paul. Appreciate it. Thanks for this weve anne this morning, weve got anne diamond. Going to be diamond. Were going to be talking to an, very, very shortly honour of safer sleep shortly in honour of safer sleep week. Emotionally and week. Shes very emotionally and personally attached this year, which to say. Which she has to say. Its indeed been honoured and its indeed been honoured for get all the latest for it. Well get all the latest from now, im very pleased to introduce a very familiar face to you. Now, our very own anne diamond course. A National Treasure and an obe known for her decades Long Television career, but also a proud mother to five sons. Im going to tell you the tale about one of them, this morning. And tragically lost her third son. He was sebastian. He third son. He was sebastian. He was just over four months old at the time. The year was 1991 and the time. The year was 1991 and the time. The year was 1991 and the cause of death was cot death. Yeah. And since then, and his campaign to spread awareness and has herself been responsible for reducing cot deaths from 2500 a year to just 300. Absolute, incredible. And, i was actually pregnant when i first met you with my first child, and you were doing the paper reviews with with eamonn and me and your story impacted me so much. I thought about you almost every day. I thought about you almost every day. I put thought about you almost every day. I put my thought about you almost every day. I put my baby down to thought about you almost every day. I put my baby down to sleep day. I put my baby down to sleep on his back and it was your back to sleep campaign that has changed and saved all these lives. Its incredible. It is incredible. And its so it is incredible. And its so amazing. Youre saying that because the incredible thing we discovered, we had to go all the way to new zealand to discover it because they were doing a lot of campaigning there was that it was a very simple message. But we at the time, in 1991, when i had sebastian, we were all told to sleep babies on their tummies. And that was the accepted practice. But we what we know it was really we didnt know it was really heightening the risk of cot death to all of those babies. It death to all of those babies. It doesnt mean that every baby sleeps on its tummy is going to die of cot death, but for some reason, it just meant that if we could give out that very, very simple message, put baby simple message, put your baby on his or her to sleep, the his or her back to sleep, the cot death rate plummeted. And cot death rate plummeted. And nobody, this day, nobody nobody, even to this day, nobody really why. The mechanism really knows why. The mechanism of cot death. What what changes it. But we just know that it works and theres no danger in sleeping your baby on his or her back, either. So do it. And you back, either. So do it. And you severely reduce the risk of cot death happening to you and, dan, would it be right in saying that the risk of putting a baby on their stomach is suffocation . Their stomach is suffocation . Well, no. I mean, they were there were a lot of post mortems donein there were a lot of post mortems done in the days when 2500 babies a year were dying, and they never really got to the conclusion. Its something to do with overheating. You sort of tend to overheat more if youre face down. I think even adults, if you sleep on your tummy, you tend to find that you tend to, go into a more deep sleep, from which may be some babies just cant pull themselves out of it. Cant pull themselves out of it. And then there are other risk factors like, if theres any small infection in the, in the house at all in the family , then house at all in the family, then thats another sort of added thing that makes it difficult for the baby to maybe pull themselves out of a sleep. Its themselves out of a sleep. Its extraordinary that we still dont know the mechanism , but in dont know the mechanism, but in a, in a way we dont need to. And, and do you mind if i ask you a little bit about sebastian, i just it really amazes me how a mother who can lose a child in such a shocking and unexpected way, so little, so precious, can then turn that grief into something so positive. How did you find the strength to get up , get. How did you find the strength to get up, get a camera. How did you find the strength to get up , get a camera crew, as to get up, get a camera crew, as you say, travel to the other side of the world and investigate all of this. Tell you what i think it was anger more than anything. I was angry at sebastian for dying, you know, you feel like saying. God, i 32 years later and i can still get very, very upset about it. But you do. I was angry that he died and they didnt call out for me, i was angry that something that while he. While he was born and lived with me and slept and then died, they were actively campaigning in new zealand to try and stop this happening because they had a very high cot death rate there, they had the, lady, the anne they had the, the lady, the anne diamond, if you like, of new zealand, a Television Presenter called judy bailey went on telly every night and said, if youre just about to put your baby down to sleep, put him on his or her back, tummy, this back, not the tummy, and this will help. And their cot death will help. And their cot death rate plummeted and i went out to new zealand and met her. And it was anger that drove me to come back demand that we have the back and demand that we have the same advert here, the same campaign. And of course, i got all this complete nonsense from the department of health saying, you oh, young do you know, oh, Young Mothers do not television. I was not watch television. I was told, and you know, that they would put a sort of, working party on it that would meet in five years time and look at the data and then i found out even worse was that we in britain had agreed. We knew what was going on in new zealand, and wed agreed to be a control. In other words, while new zealand mums were being told how to save their lives, we actively their babies lives, we actively denied british that advice denied british mums that advice dunng denied british mums that advice during time that sebastian during the time that sebastian and others were dying. The education continued as the memory of sebastian continues as well. The fact that you were awarded an obe in recognition of your work on this front , youre now fronting the front, youre now fronting the safer sleep week. Can you tell us about that and what the message is . Message is . Well, the message, its just a way of reminding everybody because obviously there are new mothers and fathers all the time. There are the new generation are always going on who they wont know who who wont they wont know who who wont they wont know who am. They wont remember my who i am. They wont remember my personal so you just personal tragedy. So you just have keep reminding. And have to keep reminding. And safer week just about safer sleep week is just about reminding of the advice. Reminding them of the advice. First the most important first of all, the most important thing should on thing is babies should sleep on his back and then watch his or her back and then watch out for not overheating them. There are lots of, of there are lots of, sort of tips to their sleeping to make their sleeping environment safer, but the environment much safer, but the most important one is back to sleep and has been now for 32 years. Yeah, i think one of the other ones is to make sure their feet are touching the end of the cot so that the blankets dont go over their heads. Thats right. When babies wriggle, they tend to wriggle downwards and in the babies were the day, a lot of babies were found having wriggled found dead, having wriggled underneath duvet, they underneath their duvet, they shouldnt duvets either. I shouldnt have duvets either. I mean, theres lots and lots of advice if you just google safer sleep, youll it. Sleep, youll get it. And other point i suppose and the other point i suppose to make its helpful to to make is its helpful to educate generations. Because educate all generations. Because when when i had my when i think when i had my babies, my mum would say hes not just stick on not settling, just stick him on his be much his tummy. Hell be much happier. What we with happier. Thats what we did with you. We to say, well, you. And we had to say, well, things have changed. And you know, we know better know, you know, we know better than that. And you know, obviously she to obviously she she listened to me. Educating me. But its about educating everybody because not just everybody because its not just the get their hands on the mums that get their hands on the babies. Absolutely everybody who looks yeah. Looks after a baby. Yeah. Doesnt matter how old. Well and well good. Well done. Good. Good with getting this good luck. With getting this message and sorry making message out and sorry for making you about that. But if it you talk about that. But if it saves lives then is the saves lives then that is the important thing. Thank you very much indeed to. If you want to find out and if you want to find out more about annes safer sleep week donate, you can visit week or donate, you can visit the website. The lullaby trusts website. Thats lullaby trust. Org uk lullaby trust. Org. Uk. Love, anne. Really great talking to her and stay with us. Weve got norman baker and renee hoenderkamp. Theyll be here talking about whats making the news next. Here on gb news breakfast. Norman baker and doctor renee hoenderkamp. And theyve got stories making the headlines today. Norman, i want to start with a, thames water bailout. A possibility of one. Tell us the story. This is the lib dem mp, sarah olney , who has been demanding olney, who has been demanding the government to publish the contingency plan if thames water goes down the plughole as it were, and its likely they might well do. And thames water, their view on the matter is that in order to keep their shareholders happy, notwithstanding, they have debts of about have got massive debts of about 14 billion. They want to pay their shareholders higher dividends to keep them happy, and they want to put up water bills by 40. And i have to say, personally, i think water privatisation was the worst privatisation was the worst privatisation there was. And water be publicly owned. Water should be publicly owned. And that these people and the idea that these people should out dividends, run up should pay out dividends, run up massive chuck sewage in massive bills, chuck sewage in our rivers and put up water bills is absolutely unacceptable. It should illegal. It should be illegal. It should be illegal. It should be illegal. I dont understand how you can paid dividends when can be paid dividends when youre poor service. Particularly for well, particularly for something something something thats something which is as and is so crucial as water. And i think sarah olney is right. There be all public. And there should be all public. And i think personally, i think we should renationalise water industry. E thought well, they simply thought they cash cow, that, they were on a cash cow, that, that would get the, the that they would get the, the kickback from of this kickback from all of this without to invest. And without having to invest. And the trouble the whole, the the trouble is the whole, the whole state of, of thames water is decrepit and is obviously decrepit and falling down, but they dont adhere. It isnt the cash cow adhere. It isnt the cash cow they thought it would be. And theyre not going to take any pain on it. Norman thats the thing. No, were going to take the pain. The people who have to buy the water, i wonder would the water, i wonder what would happen, say, well, we happen, if they say, well, we havent got any money pay havent got any money to pay this any more, were not interested this. I wonder interested in this. I wonder what the contingency plan, well, the contingency plan, thats wants thats what sarah only wants published. Us that published. It would tell us that because what it will mean is, i think a whole lot of government money will have go into money will have to go into supporting because cant supporting it because we cant have so have the water turned off. So the government the the government will pay the bill, leading scientists bill, doctor, leading scientists are the covid are warning that the covid inquiry to be inquiry appears to be fundamentally is fundamentally biased and is failing examine the costs of failing to examine the costs of lockdown 100. And if anybody has watched any this inquiry , which is any of this inquiry, which is scheduled to go for years and scheduled to go on for years and cost billions , all it has looked cost billions, all it has looked at is, you know, should we have locked down sooner, faster, harder. It hasnt looked at the collateral damage. The children who have Bigger Mental Health problems ever had the problems have ever had the 100,000 ghost children that never school. The never returned to school. The people died because people that died alone because they the treatment they didnt get the treatment that need. The cancer that they need. The Cancer Patients, patients that had patients, the patients that had their withdrawn. Its their treatment withdrawn. Its shocking. We need to scrap this shocking. We need to scrap this inquiry. Countries have inquiry. Other countries have had their inquiry done, dusted, finished moved on. We need finished and moved on. We need we need a cost analysis of everything that happened , both everything that happened, both the people that died from covid and how could have been and how they could have been better protected but the better protected, but also the people werent risk from people who werent at risk from covid. There were lots of covid. And there were lots of those and how they important to examine inner machinations examine the inner machinations of government and those of government and how those decisions and decisions were made, and not least to expose how we were being by whatsapps. Being governed by whatsapps. And those can be deleted or factory resets. Can lots of them factory resets. Can lots of them have suddenly be lost . Well, its just important, but will we actually do that is a question because these inquiries, i mean look at the ones in Northern Ireland events , they happen long ireland events, they happen long after the after the issues in question. They take years to, to be formulated. Theyre not formulated. Theyre not complete. And the report afterwards when everybody whos involved has long disappeared. So those who should be held to account will no longer be in office. Well, we actually had a situation in that inquiry where one of the scientists, carol socorro, raised Cancer Patients being harmed, was told that were not at that today. Were not looking at that today. Please mean, its please move on. I mean, its a disgrace , on sunday, at the, the disgrace, on sunday, at the, the saudi arabia, saudi, saudi arabia grand prix , we have arabia grand prix, we have norman, a new british formula one star. This guy is one to watch. His names oliver berman, good looking lad , youll see him good looking lad, youll see him there in the red shirt. What have you got to tell us about oliver . I think this is great. Someone whos 18. I think this is great. Someone whos18. I dont i think this is great. Someone whos 18. I dont know. Hes the youngest ever formula one driver. Or whether theres been anyone younger, but this is great, that he was younger. Was he . That oliver berman, who was ours, course, in this country ours, of course, in this country has in a formula one has has been in a formula one car at age of 18. But the car at the age of 18. But the story in the sun, which is, i suppose, quite amusing, was that he his driving test by he failed his driving test by messing up at the lights too fast. Probably too fast, too quick off the lights. Yeah, thats that will fail you. What was brilliant about this young boy is the day before hed qualified in pole position for formula two. Completely different, car driven in a different, car driven in a different got a phone different way. He got a phone call stand in carlos call to stand in for carlos sainz, who appendicitis to sainz, who had appendicitis to say, pulling you out of say, were pulling you out of that competition. Now that competition. Youre now driving grand prix. He driving in the grand prix. He had hour to get used to had an hour to get used to the car only did not car and not only did he not crash it into the wall, which many the established drivers many of the established drivers do he do every single week, he actually started 11th and came in seventh. Wow. Amazing. It is amazing you think of the amazing when you think of the expertise and the experience, the experience that would be required to do all of this. And yet he did it and congratulations. And hes a name congratulations. And hes a name i think well be seeing and reading a lot more a lot more about lets talk about barbie, shall we . And perhaps an unlikely barbie now, a royal barbie, the queen, no less. And camilla says its taken years off her, not a few years 50. Its very rare that i want to talk about barbie, as you know, but i actually thought this was a a nice doll. A really cute. Its a nice doll. Its not a young whos its not a young thing. Whos you something with an you know, 20 something with an amazing and taken amazing figure. And it has taken years off of her. But i think thats absolutely amazing. And i think good for her. Its a good likeness though. Its a good likeness though. We nailed likeness, we nailed the hair likeness, but for taking it but good for her for taking it in good. In such good. You know, humour and making such brilliant quips about how its taken off her. Its taken years off her. Yeah, well, good for her. Yeah, well, good for her. None of the royal doctors but none of the royal doctors photographing but none of the royal doctors photographinon. Well, yeah. Oh come on. Well, yeah. I mean, since you mentioned that, what do you think about all of that scandal . Oh, well, i mean, look, i mean, first thing to say about thatis mean, first thing to say about that is that, that shes entitled to princess is entitled to her own medical history to be problems, to be sorted out privately is nobodys business whats happening to her in terms of our health. I do think the palace over the many years has been very keen to send out photographs , which it supports photographs, which it supports itself, and to suppress photographs which are unhelpful. And i think some of the press this week has been about reacting to that long terme trend of the palace to try and manipulate the press. In other words, youre saying the picture agencies having revenge . I think theres plenty of reasons. And indeed, the reasons. And indeed, the tabloids week having tabloids this week were having revenge attitude revenge on that attitude from the palace. But thats completely different completely a different issue from that any health from making sure that any Health Problems have problems that the princess have are private. Are kept private. I think they pushed her into releasing photo its releasing this photo and its completely unravelled. Think completely unravelled. I think they the poor girl they should leave the poor girl alone she actually alone before she actually considers, know, killing considers, you know, killing herself the pressure herself because the pressure on herself because the pressure on her has been her this week has been absolutely insane. Shes not, well, recover. Well, clearly let her recover. We wouldnt do this to just a member of the public who was unwell. You know, anyone in the spotlight insane media spotlight gets this insane Media Attention and its social media, isnt these wild isnt it . Its these wild conspiracy theories that have dnven conspiracy theories that have driven this here. Leave her alone. No im not sure. It is totally social media. I think these picture agencies have a lot to answer for, as if theyve never put out a doctored picture before or what what they knew about or not. I think theyre dictating what is going to be news and whats not news. And they were wanting more than what they actually got. So i think well have an inquiry into that will be will five years or so. 50. So. Such a beautiful photo until they pick it. Well, indeed. Weve got a doctor. Weve got a doctor. Ive got to say goodbye to you, norman. Thanks very much indeed. Thank you, norman. Thanks very much indeed. Thank you. Perpetuate it. Much indeed, it. Thank you very much indeed, Annie Shuttleworth. Morning that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday, in fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter and for everyone its going to be feeling much milder through the rest of the week. But very heavy rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north wales, the lake district, southern scotland southern areas of scotland as well, particularly and well, particularly dumfries and galloway, heaviest of galloway, seeing the heaviest of the rainfall further north. It should largely dry apart should stay largely dry apart from some very blustery showers. It will be very windy across northern scotland. Gale force winds expected, but in the winds are expected, but in the south east its going to be south and east its going to be a afternoon. Breezy but a dry afternoon. Breezy but still mild with highs of 15 still very mild with highs of 15 or degrees. If we do see any or 16 degrees. If we do see any breaks in the cloud through tonight, the rain is going to persist similar so it persist in similar areas, so it will very wet and overcast will stay very wet and overcast across wales many across north wales and many Northern Areas england, Northern Areas of england, particularly across western coasts and we will see coasts here. And we will see some outbreaks moving some outbreaks of rain moving into southwest by thursday into the southwest by thursday morning. Should stay morning. It should stay dry, though, the far north and in though, in the far north and in the southeast. And for everyone, its another very the southeast. And for everyone, its start another very the southeast. And for everyone, its start to another very the southeast. And for everyone, its start to the mother very the southeast. And for everyone, its start to the day|er very the southeast. And for everyone, its start to the day tomorrow. Mild start to the day tomorrow. The rain will continue to push into Northern Areas, but it will shift slowly but surely further north into the central belt. Some more Northern Areas of scotland. Seeing some rain later on in the day, well continue to see showers breaking out across southern wales , the southern areas of wales, the southwest as well. These could turn heavy and blustery turn quite heavy and be blustery too, but again, the far southeast stay dry and southeast should stay dry and bright and we could see highs of 17 degrees by. Looks like things are heating up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. Good morning. Fast approaching 9 00. Its wednesday , the 13th of march, and you are tuned into breakfast with Eamonn Holmes and isabel webster. Nice to have you on board, the questions were asking this morning, so long . Morning, what took so long . Pressure the Prime Minister pressure on the Prime Minister as another conservative racism row over a donors row emerges over a donors remarks over diane abbott. And remarks over diane abbott. And pretty strong they were to catherine. Yes. Pressure on the conservative party to give back the £10 million, no sign of that happening. But another very bad week for the Prime Minister. Ill bring you more shortly. Ill bring you more shortly. As the uk economy returns to growth, well be chatting with Liam Halligan about what that means as the Prime Minister looks to lead us out of recession. Recession. Subpostmasters, whats happening next . Well, the government plans to introduce new legislation to quash their convictions. We should see that today. Well let you know. Today. Well let you know. Keir starmer promises Dame Esther Rantzen. There will be a vote on assisted dying if he wins the next election morning. Theyll be very heavy rain across northWestern Areas through the next few days, but elsewhere it will be very mild. Find out all the details with me a little later. A little later. On. Racist and wrong. Thats how a spokesperson for the Prime Minister has branded the comments made by a major conservative donor about mp diane abbott and abbott being the first black woman elected to parliament. Well, the comments were made by frank hester. He is one of the partys biggest donors. Hes given £10 million recent given £10 million in recent years. And he told a meeting years. And he told a meeting that diane abbott and quote, that diane abbott and i quote, should and he also said should be shot. And he also said that made him i quote that she made him and i quote again, want to hate all black women. He has since apologised. However, it was the lack of immediate condemnation of his remarks which are now causing the Prime Minister a bit of a political headache and possibly a financial one. Should he be giving that cash back. Lets get the thoughts this morning of our Political Correspondent Katherine Forster. As you say, another disastrous week minister this week for the Prime Minister this is what he wants to be is not what he wants to be talking about. On the morning that weve returned to growth. That weve returned to growth. They would like no, exactly. They would like to talking about the budget. To be talking about the budget. Theyd like to be talking about cutting taxes. Im sure they will be talking about quashing those convictions for the post office, postmasters. But of course, here we are yet again in the middle of another race row, only a couple of weeks after there was a delay in condemning Lee Andersons comments. Ultimately, they withdrew the whip. Hes now gone to reform. Thats another headache. For rishi sunak. But it is a bit of a pattern, isnt it . And the opposition will say this is simply weak leadership. Again and again. Politicians seem to struggle with coming out to say what is obvious to millions of people. I think in this case, they hoped that it would die down. They didnt want to say it was racist, though. Millions of people clearly say it absolutely is. They didnt want to sort of fan the flames of it. But in not coming out quickly and saying it was racist as they eventually did, or the Prime Ministers spokesman last night. What that has done has inflamed this story still further, as in all the questioning now is , well, what questioning now is, well, what has taken you so long . And labour and lib dems saying you need to give back that money now . £10 million is a lot of money. And frank hester is the conservative partys biggest donon conservative partys biggest donor. Its an election year. Last year they were given 48 million and the line is hes apologised. Hes very sorry for offence cause we need to forgive and move on. I would be as astonished if any of that money was returned , but i suspect they was returned, but i suspect they wont be taking any more from him, and i suspect he wont be offering any more now that theyve labelled his comments as racist. Okay, catherine, with that, thanks very much indeed. Lets get thoughts on and the get the thoughts on this and the rest days news. Of rest of the days news. Of course, with the shadow paymaster jonathan paymaster general, jonathan ashworth, who joins us this morning westminster. Good morning from westminster. Good morning from westminster. Good morning start with morning to you. Lets start with that we . Do you that story, shall we . Do you think that the £10 million should be handed and should be handed back . And is that would do . That what labour would do . Because youre no because of course, youre no strangers to these of strangers to these kind of racism scandals in the party in the i they absolutely i mean, they absolutely should hand that money back. I think the comments were racist, reprehensible , absolutely reprehensible, absolutely staggering that rishi sunak took so to condemn them. But we so long to condemn them. But we do know hes a very weak leader, but he now needs to show some backbone and give this £10 million back. Every single tory candidate, every tory mp who is delivering leaflets, whos putting advertising out putting Facebook Advertising out there, it is funded by this £10 million. So the decent thing to do in the circumstances is to hand this money back. If he hand this money back. If he doesnt hand this money back, it really does show you the depths to which the tory party has sunk. And i think it would expose rishi sunak once again for being the weak leader that he unless , jonathan, could he is, unless, jonathan, could you not argue that if they took that used it for that money and they used it for anti discriminatory anti racist, programmes, that would be a better use of it . Well, look, it better use of it . Well, look, it shouldnt be tory party money if theyve condemned this mans comments, which they have, theyve said theyre racist. I mean it was also sexist and, you know, sort of violence sort of, references in there. Hes also, by the way, apparently today criticised people. People or used used pejorative words about people of indian heritage. If the tory party genuinely thinks that these are, comments were wrong and then condemned them, then they should put their money literally where their mouth is and hand the money back. But the fact that theyre refusing to do that, i think, just reveals how weak and desperate rishi sunak has become. Lets talk about growth, shall its something that shall we . Its something that the labour are to the labour party are keen to promote if and when you get into power, but the chancellor will be very pleased to see that in january economy nought january the economy grew nought point 2. It looks like this recession that was announced last month will be very short and shallow. Your your thoughts about that . About that . Oh well, people are really feeling the squeeze , arent feeling the squeeze, arent they . People are. I mean people are feeling skint, they . People are. I mean people are feeling skint , frankly. Are feeling skint, frankly. Sorry my earpiece keeps popping out, but people are really feeling really feeling skint. Theyre paying more in tax. Their energy bills have gone up. Their energy bills have gone up. Their mortgage has gone up thanks to the wreckage of the economy of the liz truss budget and course, the now and of course, the tories now are proposing a big unfunded £46 billion plan with no idea how to pay billion plan with no idea how to pay for it. That will again cause chaos on the money markets putting mortgages up. Or it potentially means pensioners paying potentially means pensioners paying more in tax and the future of pensioners savings is at peril. I really do think five years, five more years of the conservatives will mean the economy , worsens, living economy, worsens, Living Standards hammered and pensioners losing out. Pensioners losing out. And thats something jonathan, its an interesting point. You raise there , point. You raise there, pensioners maybe in the past historically , they may have felt historically, they may have felt safer with the conservatives but obviously not the case. Now, you looked at the budget last week and you saw, holes in that budget and you could see a lot millions of pensioners actually , millions of pensioners actually, an average of £1,000 a year worse off. What can you do about that . That . Well, as we know, rishi sunak and loves whacking up tax on depher and hard working people and many pensioners are paying more in tax as a consequence of his plans. But if they go along this road of a £46 billion unfunded commitment, it severs the link between your contributions and your state pension. My mum would always say shes paid her stamps for the state pension. Well, theyre ending the system where people pay ending the system where people pay their stamps. So will pay their stamps. So how will people get state pension people get their state pension in future . And if they come in the future . And if they come on your programme and argue, oh, dont worry. Not dont no worry. Its not unfunded. A merged unfunded. Its a new merged income tax National Income tax with National Insurance. That pensioners insurance. That means pensioners paying insurance. That means pensioners paying on their savings. So paying tax on their savings. So im warning today that the state pension as we know it, and pensioners savings as we as they know them are in peril. If the tories get five more years in power. Do you think its interesting this shift to the right of the labour party, particularly when it comes to pensioners . And i think youve said in the past that you would try to keep the triple lock if get into triple lock if you get into power. I this is something power. I mean, this is something that conservatives have long that the conservatives have long wanted but labour have wanted to do. But labour have always this is a bad deal always said this is a bad deal for the young who are footing the in this. The bill in all of this. Traditionally your voters. But youre your tune in youre now changing your tune in all listen, people watch. The listen, people watch. The programme will have worked hard all their life for their pension , and there are people today who work hard, expecting a decent pension in retirement because and theyre paying their stamps, as would describe it. And as my mum would describe it. And of course theyre paying into the pension as well. The the works pension as well. The tory mean that state tory plans mean that state pension that works pension pension and that works pension and any savings will be taxed potentially in the future because of their £46 billion commitment. And it also means that people now paying a pension, the link between what you pay pension, the link between what you pay and what you get out at the end will be severed under tory plans. And i think tory plans. And i think conservative ministers need to explain what this means for pensioners in the future and what the state pension would look like if the tories get in after the next election. After the next election. Jonathan, thank you very much indeed. Sorry about your earpiece, look forward to speaking to you again soon. Thank you very much. At britains newsroom, coming up Andrew Pierce and up at 9 30, Andrew Pierce and bev turner will be here to then. But the moment, just you, but at the moment, just you, andrew. Indeed, were andrew. Yes indeed, were talking rwanda because talking about rwanda because its back in news, because its back in the news, because the government are now saying, look , whether theyre ever going look, whether theyre ever going to plane off the ground to to get a plane off the ground to rwanda a migrants. Rwanda for a legal migrants. Theyre saying to but theyre now saying to migrants lost their migrants whove lost their asylum theyll be asylum claim here, theyll be given £3,000 to to given £3,000 to relocate to rwanda , which is interesting to rwanda, which is interesting to a point, i hadnt realised a point, but i hadnt realised that we pay people £3,000 who have cases who fail to have asylum cases who fail to relocate back to their country, so were paying people to go back. Even so were paying people to go back. Even though their asylum claim was bogus in the first place. Really interesting. And how does that not become a pull factor . People go, i know what, ill go and get another three grand and paid to go three grand and get paid to go home money making scheme. But but but i mean, if yeah, but but but i mean, if its that easy to send people to rwanda, why are we going through all agony in house of lords . Well, obviously its not that easy. To show easy. They want to show physically doing and physically someone doing it and thinking, whole thinking, and then the whole idea , the image breaks down idea, the image breaks down about and people say, well, about it and people say, well, people and people have done it before and whatever. This idea whatever. But also this idea that paid £3,000 just to that youre paid £3,000 just to hang around here you hang around here because you might not be able to go back to, you know, africa exactly. Yeah. You know, africa exactly. Yeah. You, you might be gay because you, you might be gay or might be a christian. Or you might be a christian. Whatever. Theyve or you might be a christian. Whateup. Theyve or you might be a christian. Whats up with. Theyve or you might be a christian. Whats up with. Mean, theyve or you might be a christian. Whats up with. Mean, do heyve or you might be a christian. Whats up with. Mean, do you ve come up with. I mean, do you know andrew . Know what, andrew . Know the half of it. We dont know the half of it. We dont know whos here. We dont know why theyre here. We dont know why theyre here. We dont theyre being dont know what theyre being paid, dont know what we paid, and we dont know what we can do them and how many can do about them and how many are working illegally. A shambles. Also yeah, its a shambles. Also talking. Its really talking. I think its really important. Story on the important. Big story on the front of telegraph front page of the telegraph today in today keir starmer in conversation with, Dame Esther Rantzen, will, as rantzen, saying that he will, as prime bring forward Prime Minister, bring forward legislation enable the to legislation to enable the law to change on assisted dying. It would a free vote, of course, would be a free vote, of course, but that a landmark moment. But that is a landmark moment. Yeah, and that could see the law change end the law change by the end of the decade. There are lots of decade. And there are lots of people do have concerns people who do have concerns about i he said his about that. I mean, he said his own personal opinion is would own personal opinion is he would be in favour of it, but people worry could undue pressure worry could put undue pressure on people. Worry could put undue pressure on and le. Worry could put undue pressure on and ia. Worry could put undue pressure on and i think its in the and i think its in the netherlands now. Theyve got assisted they talk about assisted dying. They talk about bringing children aged bringing it in for children aged between if theyre between 1 and 12. If theyre terminally not sure terminally ill. Im not sure thats people about thats what people think about assisted dying. It for children . Well, thats the thing. Well, thats the thing. And people the thin end and people use the thin end of the wedge argument. But it certainly seems in countries where its already legal belgium, rules are belgium, holland, the rules are changing. Widened. Changing. Its being widened. So, so stringent and also post office. Law is going to change, yes, law is going to change, so theyll finally get their convictions so theyll finally get their con parliament it rather parliament doing it rather than never happened before. Yeah, but many of them yeah, but how many of them will get it. Everybody get it. Who will everybody get it. Who are they still supposed supposed to every single one of them. Every single one of them. Really . This really . Yeah everyone. So this is. Only ten pages of is. And its only ten pages of legislation the bill is only legislation of the bill is only ten pages, ten clauses. They should that through should get that through really quickly. Quickly. Yeah. Although there will be the person theyre to the odd person theyre going to genuinely of actual genuinely convicted of actual crimes magically they crimes who will magically they were exonerated. But you know what . For the greater good, the greater good. Well that on greater good. Well take that on the chin, i think so interesting. All right. Well look forward to programme. Look forward to the programme. 9 30. Much. 9 30. Thanks very much. Offered a job but if you were offered a job as a postmaster, you take as a postmaster, would you take it . No. Just cant imagine. It . No, no. Just cant imagine. I just dont know how they would recruit that area. Maybe some recruit in that area. Maybe some of migrants. Of the illegal migrants. Postmaster the postmaster used to be a stalwart community, the stalwart of the community, the doyen trust them and doyen people who trust them and the office have managed to the post office have managed to destroy. Destroy. You see that word . You used community. Thats exactly what its because dont its about. Because we dont have that are now part of have shops that are now part of the community that we would go and visit, and wed talk to people we know everything they know. If mrs. So and so hadnt turned up for a morning paper, theyd theyd theyd worrying theyd have someone the house. Someone go round the house. Absolutely, right. Someone go round the house. Absabsolutely right. Right. Someone go round the house. Absabsolutely right. Really. Absolutely right. Really important. Andrew. Important. Thanks, andrew. Appreciate much. Right. Time for our spring great giveaway. Your Great British giveaway. Your chance gadgets, chance to win gadgets, a shopping spree and a whole host of. Of cash. Once a winner. Once be a winner. Once be a winner. Youve won £18,000. Youve won £18,000. Im sleepy. Nick, i dont know what to say. 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Will you be forgiven for missing it with all the huben for missing it with all the huberi going on . But actually were back into growth, which means be heading out of means we could be heading out of recession. Dont my word recession. Dont take my word for weve got Liam Halligan for it. Weve got Liam Halligan explaining after this. Explaining it all after this. 2024 a battleground year. The year the nation decides as the parties gear up their campaign for the next general election, who will be left standing when the british people make one of the british people make one of the biggest decisions of their lives . Lives . Who will rise and who will fall . Lets find out together for every moment. The highs, the lows, the twists and turns, well be with you for every step of this journey in 2024. Gb news is britains election channel. Im Christopher Hope, and im Gloria De Piero bringing you pmqs live here on gb news. Every wednesday, well bring you live coverage of Prime Ministers questions. When rishi sunak and sir keir starmer go head to head in the house of commons, well be asking our viewers and listeners to submit the questions they like questions that they would like to the Prime Minister and to put to the Prime Minister and well put that our panel of well put that to our panel of top politicians in our westminster studio. Thats pmqs live here on gb news, britains election. Channel. Election. Channel. Isabel is in a state of excitement ahead of me on this one. But your good news, this morning is. What . Well, were out of recession , well, were out of recession, hopefully. Well, actually, i dont take my word for it. Were back into growth. Thats all i know. 0. 2 growth in january. Liam is the number cruncher. Not 2, but nought point. Not 2, but nought point. It matters because it. Well, liam, are we out of recession or not . Isabel, much as id love to give you the good news, as it were, were not quite out of recession, but this is good news. So what is a recession . Its two successive quarters of negative growth quarters , three negative growth quarters, three month periods. And we had that. And now weve had one month, not a quarter of positive growth. Lets have a look at the scores on the doors. As Larry Grayson used to say ageing myself. There we see the gdp numbers. What is we see the gdp numbers. What is gdp gross domestic product. All the goods and services produced in an economy from july to september, gdp was nought point 1 paltry growth above the same penod 1 paltry growth above the same period in 2022. From to october november, it was 0. 3 lower than october to december 2022. Theres your recession. Two successive quarters of negative growth. Weve now had news this morning from the office for National Statistics in january. Voila. Plus nought point 2, so not out of recession but certainly if we do that in february and march, positive growth will be out of recession. And all this feeds into the Interest Rate decision that the bank of england will be making on thursday , next thursday. On thursday, next thursday. Thats the 21st of march. What does this mean for Interest Rates . It probably means that the bank of england will feel less pressure to lower Interest Rates if you lower Interest Rates, it boosts the economy. The fact that the economy is in recession may have made some of the nine economists at the bank of england, the Monetary Policy committee, think, oh, were in recession, people are suffering. Maybe should lower interest maybe we should lower Interest Rates because the rates now, but because the economy again, economy is growing again, theyll oh, we can afford theyll think, oh, we can afford to not cut Interest Rates because still a little because we are still a little bit worried about wage inflation. Are still a little inflation. We are still a little bit about oil prices bit worried about Oil Prices Going more price going up and more price pressures in the pipeline, but very fine lines. The team in the monetary but the team in the Monetary Policy committee will be looking at all the Little Details of all the Little Details. The ups and downs are Services Production down services up 0. 2, production down 0. 2. What does that mean . This really . Yeah this really is a tale of two economies. But its been this way. You know, for, for many years in the uk, the Service Sector is doing pretty well. The services are almost 4 5. Almost 80 of our economy. Me because businesses economy. Me because businesses are getting back up and running. Theres more positive business sentiment, a sense that the cost of living crisis is at least the worst is over. Though of course lots of people are still suffering, but manufacturing is still time. Lots still having a hard time. Lots of supply chains issues still there. A lot of manufacturers who contact me really screaming about ongoing, really high energy costs, electricity prices, house buildings come back a little bit in january, which is good news. But consumers what these figures show, what the fine print shows, is that consumers in general consumer facing services. So leisure, hospitality and things like that, the trend is theres still some 6 adrift of where they were before the pandemic, 6 adrift, not 0. 6. Its a very big number in economics. So our consumer, our society has still not properly recovered. Now people say, oh, you walk around london. I was in the west end last night. Yeah yeah. Theres lots of activity in the centre of some of our big prosperous cities. But across the regions, in towns , consumer flat on his in towns, consumer flat on his or her back in many cases because theyre worried about making ends meet i dont know. So you live in harrogate right. And you. Thats posh yorkshire but thats posh yorkshire isnt not. Its not. No isnt it . Its not. Its not. No no no no no im, im saying your train fare to london okay. Your overnight accommodation. On ticket oh yeah. Your theatre ticket which is around £150. Its £500 for a couple isnt it. Unbelievable. Its unbelievable amount of money to spend. I think people feel what youre talking about. That 6. And i wonder, are they window shopping in london as opposed to doing, doing anything else. You know, the experience. Know, they get the experience. But it. But thats it. I think theres some of that going but think families i think theres some of that goi|saving3ut think families i think theres some of that goi|saving up think families i think theres some of that goi|saving up for1ink families i think theres some of that goi|saving up for treats milies i think theres some of that goi|saving up for treats rather are saving up for treats rather than routinely doing nice things. You know, just anecdotally, a lot people are anecdotally, a lot of people are talking to me. Oh, we stayed in and played a board game or we stayed and rather than stayed in and cooked rather than going for a meal, as tend going out for a meal, as we tend to week a month. To once a week or once a month. A of people are hardly. A lot of people are hardly. Its absolutely all of its really hard. And you talk about that when is it that 6 adrift. When is it likely . Are ever likely likely . When are we ever likely to feel the way we did ten years ago . I ago . I dont eamonn you asked me. Honestly, i dont think were going to feel the way we felt before. While the tax burden remains at 70 year high, this remains at a 70 year high, this is not ideological point im is not an ideological point im making all. Its a its making at all. Its a its a point of arithmetic. If more of your money is taken in taxation. And of course, weve seen headune and of course, weve seen headline cuts in National Insurance, havent we . Weve been them. Had been talking about them. We had 12 to january, 10 to 8 12 to 10 in january, 10 to 8 on the main rate of National Insurance coming in in april. Theyre quite chunky changes, but completely blown but they are completely blown away by the increase in the tax burden because those thresholds have been frozen. And as peoples wages and prices go up, they get dragged into higher tax brackets. Well, thats really brackets. Well, thats really casting a pal. Theres a good word, pa xl on the economy, my friend. We say goodbye to you. We thank you for your input there. We thank you for ill be back as arnie said, pro comes back at six in the morning. See you then. See you then. See you then. That warm feeling inside and from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Good morning. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. Heavy rain will persist across north and Western Areas through today and into thursday. In fact, whereas in the east it will be much drier, brighter for and everyone its going to be feeling much milder through the rest of the week. But very heavy rain will persist for parts of nonh rain will persist for parts of north wales. Lake district, north wales. The lake district, southern of scotland as southern areas of scotland as well, dumfries and well, particularly dumfries and galloway, the heaviest of galloway, seeing the heaviest of the further north. It the rainfall further north. It should stay largely dry, apart from very blustery showers. From some very blustery showers. It will be very windy across northern gale force northern scotland. Gale force winds are expected, but in the south east its going to be south and east its going to be a dry afternoon. Breezy but still mild with highs of 15 still very mild with highs of 15 or degrees. If do see any or 16 degrees. If we do see any breaks in the cloud through tonight, the rain is going to persist similar areas, so it persist in similar areas, so it will stay very wet and overcast across north wales and many northern england, Northern Areas of england, particularly western particularly across western coasts and will see coasts here. And we will see some outbreaks of rain moving into southwest by thursday into the southwest by thursday morning. Should dry, morning. It should stay dry, though, far north and in though, in the far north and in the everyone, the southeast. And for everyone, its be another very its going to be another very mild to the day tomorrow. Mild start to the day tomorrow. The rain continue to push the rain will continue to push into Northern Areas, but it will shift slowly but surely. Further north into the central belt. Some more Northern Areas of scotland some rain later scotland seeing some rain later on the well continue to on in the day, well continue to see showers breaking out across southern areas of wales, the southwest these could southwest as well. These could turn heavy and be blustery turn quite heavy and be blustery too, again , the far too, but again, the far southeast should stay dry and bright and we could see highs of 17 degrees by. Looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news. Hey good morning. Weve got a lot to talk about this morning. Rwanda. Now theres talk of failed Asylum Seekers being sent there with £3,000 in their back pocket voluntarily. So that means the courts and the house of lords and all the other hand wringing liberals cant object to it. But who knew we giving £3,000 to people we were giving £3,000 to people whose claims to go whose asylum claims failed to go back where they came from back to where they came from just to die . Assisted dying sir keir starmer clear between the starmer clear water between the two starmer says two parties here. Starmer says that will give a vote on that he will give a vote on assisted good morning to you. 930 on wednesday, the 13th of march. This is britains newsroom on gb news with Andrew Pierce and bev turner. Very good morning. Turner. Very good morning. Thank you forjoining us. So a rwanda, is it a bribe to leave 7 a rwanda, is it a bribe to leave . What should we do with failed Asylum Seekers . Well, now they could £3,000 to move could be offered £3,000 to move voluntarily rwanda. Your voluntarily to rwanda. Your taxes will pay for it. Its a lot cheaper than putting people in hotels, isnt it . So maybe its a good idea. Do you think . And finally, subpostmasters wrongly convicted during the honzon wrongly convicted during the horizon it scandal are going to have their convictions automatically automatically quashed under a landmark new law being introduced today not by the courts but by parliament. But will be enough for the but will that be enough for the victims of this terrible miscarriage of justice . And should you be allowed to on your own terms, should you be allowed to die . So keir starmer has promised that there will be a vote on assisted dying if labour win the election, would it have your support and puberty blockers blocked . Good in whats being