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Change . You tell me and get this the media democracy festival takes place this weekend. Sounds fabulous. What, though, is their first item of discussion . Any guesses how to solve a problem like gb news . A look at here. Conspiracy and bias. Well, look at that. Yes, indeed. Thats all at that. Yes, indeed. Thats all to come over the next hour. Richard tice Angela Phillips keeping me company. But before we get stuck in, lets cross live for tonights latest news headunes. Headlines. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story. Kemi badenoch has become the first government minister to say francescas remarks about diane abbott were racist. She welcomed mr hesters apology, but said its Never Acceptable to conflate someones views with the colour of their skin. Its after the conservative partys biggest donor reportedly said miss abbott made him want to hate all black women and she should be shot. Mr hester has now apologised and says he abhors racism. Miss abbott, abhors racism. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, described the comments as frightening and worrying. Lee frightening and worrying. Lee anderson made his first appearance in the commons this afternoon since defecting to reform uk. He took his seat on the opposition benches next to george galloway. Mr anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month after refusing to apologise for saying the islamists had got control of the london mayor and children in england who identify as trans will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers. The government said it welcomed the landmark decision, which they say is in the best interests of children. The best interests of children. Puberty blockers, which pause physical changes in young people , will now only be available to children as part of Clinical Research trials. In other news, social Media Influencer andrew tate insisted that hes innocent of the charges laid against him as he was released from Police Custody in romania this afternoon. A court in bucharest ruled that he can be extradited back to the uk to face charges once his trial in romania ends. He was arrested after lawyers representing four of his accusers told British Police that he was planning to flee romania, where he and his brother tristan now live. Theyre accused of Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking allegations theyve both denied. Allegations theyve both denied. Speaking after his release from custody, andrew tate said western countries were run by satanists. Satanists. I want to give absolute credit to romanian justice for making the correct decision today. Unfortunately, i dont think many people in romania understand, but in the west and the countries that are owned by the countries that are owned by the we to a the satanists, we get to a certain level fame. You certain level of fame. You either on a dress or you go either put on a dress or you go to jail. And im happy to make my choice, is jail every my choice, which is jail every single time. My is for not single time. My soul is for not sale, neither are my principles. We are innocent men. No, were very men. And in time very innocent men. And in time everybodys see that. Everybodys going to see that. And excited finish and were very excited to finish this names. Our names. Police investigating a chain of homes in hull have of Funeral Homes in hull have now recovered bodies and now recovered 35 bodies and a quantity of whats suspected to be human ashes. It comes as two people arrested in connection with Ongoing Investigation with that Ongoing Investigation have been released on bail. The 46 year old man and a 23 year old woman were being held on suspicion of number of suspicion of a number of offences, including preventing a lawful and decent burial. Hundreds of families used hundreds of families who used legacy independent Funeral Directors have contacted the police, fearing they may have been given the wrong ashes. Speaking at a press conference earlier, assistant chief constable Tom Mclaughlin took the opportunity to speak directly to the families involved. Involved. My heart goes out to you all and i can only imagine how distressing this is and how upsetting it will be for you and your families. I know that you your families. I know that you will want and need much more information than i can give you today, but as we progress through the investigation, i want to reassure you that we will provide you updates as soon as we can. And i also want to give you a personal commitment that i will do Everything Possible to give you the answers that you deserve. That you deserve. And what does the queen have in common elton john, in common with elton john, Marilyn Monroe and Elvis Presley . Theyve all been immortalised in the form of their very own barbie doll. Her majesty was presented with the toy today. As you can see, wearing matching outfits in recognition of her of recognition of her support of the women of the world foundation, joking that it made her look 50 years younger. Shes the latest in a long line of notable people, past and present, whose likenesses have been captured by the worlds most famous doll. And for the most famous doll. And for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its back to. Michelle. Back to. Michelle. Thank you very much for that. I am Michelle Dewberry and im with you till 7 00 tonight. I got to say, that story just been heanng got to say, that story just been hearing about in the headlines there, the funeral, situation in hull as a whole. Gail, myself. Its absolutely chilling. Im really that story with really following that story with a huge amount interest. A huge amount of interest. I look forward to the more details as learn but for now, as we learn them. But for now, alongside me till 7 00 tonight ive leader of reform ive got the leader of reform uk, richard tice, and the political commentator joe phillips. Good evening to both of evening. Another story of you. Evening. Another story i saw those headlines there, saw in those headlines there, the doll. I know i always the barbie doll. I know i always remember young lady, been remember you, young lady, been on panel. Remember you, young lady, been on panel. Thats right. On my panel. Thats right. Calling. Was liz truss. Calling. Who was it . Liz truss. I said a barbie doll. She was foreign secretary at the time. And you and alex dean said i was being sexist. I was merely pointing out that she seemed to a lot more time seemed to spend a lot more time having photographs in different outfits with different. It, i remember it i remember it, i remember it well, and i was prompt by then. I was prompted that i think you should own barbie should have your own barbie doll. Think think i should doll. I think i think i should as quite frankly. So if as well, quite frankly. So if any companies are watching that makes barbie you feel makes barbie dolls, you can feel free to of me. Why not free to make one of me. Why not say a richard you can be . Just. Just. Can i have my ken doll . You are just. Yeah, you can be your own ken ken doll, whatever. Anyway look, we are, Michelle Dewberry and kerr , you the kerr or kerr, if you have the whole accent me. What can i whole accent like me. What can i say . You know drill on this say . You know the drill on this program. Its not just about us. Its about guys at home as its about you guys at home as well. Whats on mind well. Whats on your mind tonight . Gb at news. Tonight . Gb views at gb news. Com me. Or you com is how you email me. Or you can or text me at gb news. Can tweet or text me at gb news. Now Boris Johnson, there are rumours might actually rumours that he might actually be back up north to try be deployed back up north to try and win back red wall voters. And win back red wall voters. Its got me thinking tonight. Would you welcome a knock on the door from the former pm . Could he convert you back into voting for the tories . If perhaps theyve lost your vote . Youve already started getting in touch with me on this one, alison says michel, boris would never help rishi sunak. Why on earth would he . Archie, says michel, bring back boris because he should never have been removed in the first place. Oliver, if Boris Johnson was still the pm, the tory party wouldnt even need to be saved. But chris says, why on be saved. But chris says, why on earth would anyone trust boris again, we lent him our votes and he spat it back on our on our fence. He says, fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice. Shame on me, sir. He says, well keep your thoughts on that one coming in, let me with coming in, let me start with you, actually, joe, Boris Johnson, is he the man then to keep that red wall tories . Well, think tories . wen, well, i think anyone whos seen me your program over the seen me on your program over the past will know perfectly well that a very low opinion that i have a very low opinion of Boris Johnson. Think he of Boris Johnson. I think he brought conservative party brought the conservative Party Government into government and parliament into total a liar. Government and parliament into total a liar. He total disrepute. Hes a liar. He cant be trusted. However, as your viewers and listeners show, theres a lot of people who still think hes great and there is no doubt that he has got charisma. Hes a good campaigner. Its interesting that there is a deafening silence from downing street, and whilst Boris Johnson may well be, you know, deployed to go and talk on the rubber chicken circuit, as its called , circuit, as its called, presumably when hes not on sort of, flying solo to go and see venezuelan president s and various other people and then just texting the foreign secretary en route. There will be a lot of people who like him, but there are an awful lot of people who will not forgive him. And those are people within the conservative forgive conservative party, not forgive him well well, him for what . Well well, partygate for one. Lying to the queen, lying to parliament, lying to the public on so many occasions. And i think people, the people who dont like him saw through him. And i think cant remember his name. But the person who said he spat on the fence, i presume he said, spat on the fence, not sat on the fence. No, he said spat, yeah, he spat on it. He spat. It was chris, actually. He spat it back and i and i think, you know, anyone who stands for election at whatever level you are asking the to public trust you. If you abuse that trust, you dont. I know some of you guys at home responding some of the things that joe was just saying, i know you guys well. Tell me your thoughts, richard. Itll interesting. Richard. Itll be interesting. Other peoples feedback as we go show this go through the show on this issue. It feels to me issue. But it feels to me theres issues. One, i think theres two issues. One, i think that in june 22nd, i checked his poll rating. Was the poll rating. There was in the red wall. Was 50 red wall. There was 50 disapproval his performance disapproval of his performance and think actually since then, and i think actually since then, people seen not only people have seen that not only did brexit, but also did he betray brexit, but also he put in place the open borders system, which has basically led to Mass Immigration, which i think in the red wall, we know was a very significant issue behind the brexit vote. And people feel that theyve been utterly betrayed on that. So i think actually his ratings probably june probably got worse since june 2022. The aspect of this 2022. The other aspect of this story is why on earth would bofis story is why on earth would boris do that . Why would he help the person who basically knifed him in the back when you know if youre a die hard conservative, youre a die hard conservative, youre going to say, well , youre a die hard conservative, youre going to say, well, rishi is going to lose this election. And then if there wants to be some re arrangement of some form of re arrangement of the deckchairs, maybe thats the jet deckchairs, maybe thats boriss not beforehand. Boriss time. Not beforehand. Spokesman him, well, a spokesman for him, but that sort of but youve got that sort of mystery was knocking mystery stuff that was knocking around sunday papers with around in the sunday papers with lady. Lady mcalpine. Fine. You know the henley plot, they now call to try plot, they now call it, to try and him back by getting the and get him back by getting the current sitting mp or current candidate to move out to make way for Boris Johnson. Why would he go back to being an mp . He didnt want be an mp in the didnt want to be an mp in the first place. Hes too damn lazy. Well, spokesperson for him, well, a spokesperson for him, among things, among other things, says his position consistently position has been consistently in party for in support of the tory party for his political life his entire political life and that will remain so. And at the end of the and i mean, at the end of the day, what i will find really interesting, richard, about the next people next election is how many people actually to vote actually turn out to vote because many people are because so many people are disillusioned with politics. They politically they dont feel politically connected or engaged. And whatever think about boris whatever you think about Boris Johnson, he engaged those people. He reached into them. He people. He reached into them. He convinced them to lend the tories their vote, often for the first time in their lives. He was a very connecting leader and he has been an election winner. But i dont think anybody credibly thinks that the conservatives even with him, can win this election. It might be a case of reducing loss. Why would he tarnish reputation as an he tarnish his reputation as an election and i think to election winner . And i think to many the red wall, many people in the red wall, i think quite rightly, will feel that they lent him his that actually they lent him his vote and he has completely betrayed during when he was betrayed it during when he was still minister. Still prime minister. In that red and are you in that red wall . And do that, do you feel do you feel that, or do you feel completely differently . Me completely differently . Tell me your joe. Your thoughts, joe. I just think a couple well, i just think a couple of things, one is that of things, really. One is that we to be completely we seem to be completely focusing wall because focusing on the red wall because it gave the tories a majority with Boris Johnson at the helm, admittedly. So sort of admittedly. So it sort of changed the fortunes. Fortunes of the conservative party. So theres desperate, desperate theres a desperate, desperate bid by the conservatives to keep that or win it back at the expense of the rest of the country. But i think the point you make, michelle, about people going out to vote is the biggest single problem. And as you well know, because ive told you before, ive got a book just out called why vote, which is arguing actually that apathy is the dangerous thing. The most dangerous thing. Arent you a fan of, and arent you a fan of, compulsory . I certainly am, yeah. Found this. I find yeah. See, i found this. I find the notion, that i would be compelled because i say this often on my program if i was not doing this job, i probably. Well, not probably i almost certainly, unless something dramatically changed, i almost certainly wouldnt out to certainly wouldnt turn out to vote. Because of the job vote. I think because of the job that i think i should make that i do, i think i should make the effort to engage. So the effort to engage. So i probably even end up probably will even end up spoiling ballot. The fact spoiling my ballot. But the fact that and people that that you, and people that support that view would try and compel i always have the compel me. I always have the same question you. How on same question for you. How on earth me and earth would you get me and people do that . People like me to do that . The age of 16 . You get at the age of 16 . You get your National Insurance number. Yeah. That number for yeah. You keep that number for life. The time, you life. At the same time, you should get your right vote. Should get your right to vote. But should, just as they do but you should, just as they do in australia. Know you in australia. You know you should vote. Because if we dont reject. Reject that. By the way, im voting from 16. Well on to that. 16. But well come on to that. Tell me, how are you going to get like me physically to get people like me physically to go if dont you get if you dont vote, you get fined you know, because it fined or you know, because it would be linked to your National Insurance number, not National Insurance number, not National Insurance which insurance contributions, which rishi sunak wants to get rid of, then would then actually, maybe there would be in your pension be a deduction in your pension or your benefits. Do you think thats going and do you think thats going to engage me more in politics, that youre going to force me by deducting from me . No, deducting money from me . No, of course not. Deducting money from me . No, of cou not1ot. Deducting money from me . No, of cou not 1ot making do it if not by making people do it if they want to. What need they dont want to. What we need to to have a process of to do is to have a process of education. Everybodys got a. Thats insulting. Thats really insulting. Suggesting people youre suggesting that people like are not politically like me that are not politically engaged are doing so because were educated. But were not educated. But actually, it im actually, michel, it does. Im not. Just said you need not. No. You just said you need a process of education at school. I mean, so there are lots and lots. So you think that people like me that are politically disengaged. And by the way, there of people there are millions of people when voting. If i when it comes to voting. If i didnt this, not didnt do this, not categorically, i wouldnt vote. Not politically youre not politically disengaged five when it disengaged for five when it comes purpose of voting. Comes to the purpose of voting. Just but you ive just said, but do you believe elections the like . Believe elections and the like . Im you, me and im telling you, me and millions, of how do we millions, millions of how do we will persuade and youre will persuade you . And youre suggesting to suggesting that the remedy to get engaged get those people engaged is education, default, education, which by default, therefore you therefore must mean that you think that were not engaged because education. I because we lack education. I think really ridiculous. Think thats really ridiculous. I people dont well, i think people dont understand political system. Well, i think people dont underswere political system. Well, i think people dont underswere not olitical system. Well, i think people dont underswere not wereal system. So were not were not politically because politically engaged because we dont. But you are dont understand. But you are but my understand and we but my understand fully, and we have or connection with have no trust or connection with the people that are trying to dictate our lives to us. We dont trust them one jot. We dont trust them one jot. We dont think that they will actually the things that actually deliver the things that they think that theyre they say. We think that theyre in for themselves and that in it for themselves and that that, among many, are reasons why engaged. No, why were not engaged. No, thats absolutely michel. Thats absolutely reason thats absolutely the reason to vote. And in australia it does actually work very well. Also under proportional representation, turnout representation, average turnout is about 10 higher than in the uk, which would mean another 3 Million People engaged. Because you every vote is you know that every vote is equal and matters. Absolutely. And can i think absolutely. And i can i think i with and people fought i agree with and people fought and their lives and died and gave their lives and died and gave their lives and injuries for us to and horrific injuries for us to have that freedom, that democratic choice. Just think its a and i just think its a matter respect. Matter of respect. Do i, and i think its so do i, and i think its about how you build a Civic Society and a democracy where weve got a stake in it. You weve all got a stake in it. You know, theres it seems absolutely counterintuitive to say politically say youre not politically engaged every of the engaged when every night of the week you sit. No, because qualified what no, because i qualified what i i didnt just put a. At i said. I didnt just put a. At the end. I said, im not politically engaged. Youre not comes to voting in a general election, the election, engaged with the voting you Voting System, but you are engagedin Voting System, but you are engaged in number of political engaged in a number of political issues, whether its about immigration, but immigration, whether its but i would pretty much everybody would say pretty much everybody that and have two that i know. And i have two sides my life. I have this sides to my life. I have this media bubble in london, and then i what i call real life i have what i call real life and home. Much single home. Pretty much every Single Person , and im racking my person, and im racking my brains to think of, if i know any exceptions. Pretty much every Single Person that i know will vote at the next will not vote at the next general election. I thats well, i think thats a tragedy for the reason that richard said there are people around today fighting around the world today fighting and dying risking their lives. And let me respond to that. Let respond to that point, let me respond to that point, because particularly a of because particularly a lot of women, they in some cases women, they did in some cases give lives as to give their lives as well to enable people like to enable people like me to have that vote. What that ability to vote. And what i would to that is they did would say to that is they did those acts which i respect massively and appreciate. So that the ability and the that i had the ability and the right to vote and the choice to vote. They didnt those vote. They didnt do those things. Order for me to be things. In order for me to be compelled , you know, but it was compelled, you know, but it was money from me. But in money withdrawn from me. But in australia, you obviously have the spoil your ballot the right to spoil your ballot to abstain. But the is, i disagree but the point is, i disagree with what theyre doing in australia as well, the way, australia as well, by the way, because compelled because they have compelled voting there. That too, but i disagree with that too, but i just think the evidence is that where youve got pr, where people equal people feel every vote is equal and matters and actually people say, its it. Say, yeah, its worth it. Look, i on more and look, i knock on more doors probably than any senior politician, and it absolutely saddens i someone saddens me when i get someone opens they says, opens the door and they says, youre youd never youre all the same, youd never deliver its not worth deliver anything. Its not worth voting shut the door. It voting and shut the door. And it is actually real tragedy is actually a real tragedy because, because and that is a what do you think . Someone says those so when someone says those kind to you, do kind of things to you, what do you take from that . Do you you take away from that . Do you take away like joe says . Take away like what joe says . All people just need to be all those people just need to be educated. Is that what you take away . I think think its a i think i think its a failure actually, think failure of actually, i think its of our political its a failure of our political system. Its a failure of the two party system and first past the because people realise the post, because people realise if in a seat and if youre in a safe seat and youre of the opposing youre one of the opposing voters, your voters, frankly, your vote counts almost nothing. Counts for almost nothing. And thats an absolute tragedy. I mean, 30 years ago, about 750,000 used to swing 750,000 votes used to swing a government. Suspect that government. Now, i suspect that number near number is probably near a million and a half, 2 million. But nevertheless, thats the flaw first past the post flaw in the first past the post system. And weve clearly seen it to strong and it doesnt lead to strong and stable government. Doesnt. And goes back to the point and it goes back to the point about the wall that if all about the red wall that if all parties both main parties are parties or both main parties are focusing on at the expense focusing on that at the expense of communities, other of other communities, other voters, then votes under voters, then some votes under our Current System are worth more than others, which is utterly ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. And i concede, i do concede the point that lot of people the point that a lot of people will feel that there is literally no in voting literally no point in voting because never going because youre never going to change youre never change it, and youre never going different in going to get different people in politics, system versus a pr politics, the system versus a pr system. Thats the im system. So thats the point. Im conceding there. You know, conceding there. But, you know, youve not convinced me, im afraid. If you if youre afraid. And if you if youre like me at home and you are someone that if you know, because everyone can say whatever want to say on a whatever they want to say on a poll, like paying poll, when someones like paying attention, when attention, but actually when youre your own and youre at home on your own and youre at home on your own and youre being with youre being honest with yourself, engage yourself, will you engage politically general politically at the next general election . Will you go and put your in a or draw your cross in a box or draw something profanity wise, or whatever, your ballot paper . Whatever, on your ballot paper . And will and if you werent, what will make mind . Are make you change your mind . Are you simply a bit thick and you need a bit more education . Thats do you need . Thats not what do you need . A new Voting System . What will it be . I say, i put it back on the politicians. I say its on you, its on you to be better and do better and be a better calibre of better calibre of of person, a better calibre of deliverable. Thats what deliverable. Maybe thats what we need. Maybe we need more accountability and all the rest of maybe thats how you of it. Maybe thats how you engage people like a little engage people like me a little bit less, stick a little bit more carrot perhaps . I dont know. Me thoughts on know. Tell me your thoughts on that. Views at gb news. Com that. Gb views at gb news. Com is how get hold of me. Is how you get hold of me. Theres lots i want to talk to you about in the show coming up, i to talk to you about why i want to talk to you about why are people so damn wack are so many people so damn wack shy, do we do about it . Shy, and what do we do about it . Theres suggestion today that theres a suggestion today that if turned down if young people turned down three offers, they might three job offers, they might have conscripted into the have to be conscripted into the armed is that a good armed forces. Is that a good idea or not . A more broadly, i want about the want to talk about the economically inactive. What on earth is going on . Ill see you in two. Hello there. Im michelle jubin. Im with you till 7 00 tonight. Alongside me, ive got the leader of reform uk, richard tice and the political commentator joe phillips tice and the political commentatorjoe phillips called. Commentator joe phillips called. Blimey, you lot have got a lot to say about that previous conversation that weve just been having. About what im making the point that i think it will be really interesting to see just how many people are politically engaged, to the point where they will go out and engage and vote one way or another, or spoil their ballot paper whatever in next paper or whatever in the next general election, fill on twitter or access. Michelle, you are wrong to advocate not voting in elections you dont vote, in elections if you dont vote, you give up your right to complain when things go wrong. Just to be clear, phil and everybody else, im not advocating for people, not to vote. Quite frankly, dont vote. Quite frankly, i dont care vote or not. Its care if people vote or not. Its their its between their business and its between them ballot box alone. Them and their ballot box alone. All saying is that there are all im saying is that there are millions of people out there, and can massively relate to and i can massively relate to them just so them that just are so disconnected with the political system in this country. Im asking you what do you do with those people . Do you think they should be fined for having the audacity, not to think . Actually, do you know what . You lot are so wonderful. Im going to give you my time, my effort and my energy, and im going to engage your process. Tell engage with your process. Tell me thoughts. Ill bring you me your thoughts. Ill bring you into in a few into the conversation in a few minutes. But for now, want to minutes. But for now, i want to talk you about something that talk to you about something that really caught my today. The really caught my eye today. The amount inactive amount of economically inactive people in this country is absolutely roof. And absolutely through the roof. And so these people now so many of these people now actually are quite young people, which really troubling, which is really troubling, because how start because if thats how you start your should your kind of your what should be your kind of your what should be your working life by actually refusing to engage and go out and and provide for and work and provide for yourself, surely thats just going slippery slope, going to be a slippery slope, isnt well, one suggestion isnt it . Well, one suggestion today, put forward, which is today, was put forward, which is if young refuse a job if young people refuse a job three times, perhaps they should be conscripted essentially into the armed forces. I want to explore that. And then after that, i want to explore the broader point of why so many people are economically inactive. But this point about conscription for the younger inactive. But this point about cons well, look, i mean, conscription used exist. Conscription did used to exist. Comes back to your point about compulsion. Think rather not compulsion. I think rather not compel but actually, compel people. But actually, if you make armed forces a you can make the armed forces a really attractive place to to, go and, and all of the sort of the motivation, the discipline, the motivation, the discipline, the structure that comes out of it then and i think we have to invest more in our armed forces. Anyway, were trying to, to reduce the compulsion, but it is a really serious issue. Too many young people are basically opting out of work, theres a whole issue about the percentage of people that go to university and whether actually its too easy to opt not to work and to essentially opt for some form of benefit system. And weve got to benefit system. And weve got to make it look, weve got to make work, pay and work is a good thing. Its very good for ones health. Its very good for ones family, for ones example to family, for ones example to family and friends. And its good for your community and the economy. Fundamentally, if you economy. Fundamentally, if you can work, you should work. Its very for your Mental Health very good for your Mental Health as well. 5 seems to f 5 seems to be obsessed everyone seems to be obsessed about these dont about that these days, dont they are on this conscription . Well, richard drax, who is a hes a member of the Commons Defence Committee , and also defence committee, and hes also a former soldier. Im quite surprised that he is suggesting that joining the army is some sort of punishment for not taking job, because it seems to me that thats the last people that the army needs, and i think, you know , we desperately think, you know, we desperately short of funding for defence and definitely short of numbers of people , there has to be people, there has to be something else. And gordon brown tried it. I think David Cameron tried it. I think David Cameron tried it. I think David Cameron tried it. I think various, prime ministers have tried it and there have been various schemes that are sort of, you know, a National Volunteering program , a National Volunteering program, a sort of civic something or other scheme , theres a lot more to scheme, theres a lot more to this because the age group of the people that were talking about, the 16 to 24 year olds, are the people who lost two years of their education during covid lockdowns and whove lost the ability it would appear to sort of get saturday jobs or evening jobs or weekend jobs. And i think that has a huge difference. And i think, you know, one of the things that has always struck me is anybody looking at us three, apart from the fact that were on television , but take that away, television, but take that away, you would see us most likely sitting in front of a computer. Now we could be a politician , we now we could be a politician, we could be a tv presenter, we could be a tv presenter, we could be a journalist. We could also be an architect, an Insurance Agent, a also be an architect, an Insurance Agent , a doctor. We Insurance Agent, a doctor. We could be any number of things. But because you dont see the same sort of jobs unless theyre very obvious, like a Police Officer or fire or something, i think its really hard for people to know what there is. People to know what there is. And unless you have that early experience of the sort of part time job, i think its a bit more than that. Im afraid fundamentally, youve got to make work pay and government policy for too long has has kept the threshold of the point of income tax the starting point of income tax way too for too many people. Way too low for too many people. It doesnt pay to to work. It doesnt pay to go to work. Actually, make the actually, you make the calculation net at the end of the week. I knew there was a major problem when a taxi driver in a northern town said to me, im better off driving 16 hours a week and claiming back pain for the rest of the week than i am driving 40 hours a week. And thatis am driving 40 hours a week. And that is a catastrophic failure of system about economic of our system about economic motivation. You know, motivation. And, you know, bluntly, people have got bluntly, young people have got to realise theres such thing to realise theres no such thing as free lunch. Youve actually as a free lunch. Youve actually got up, get out and get got to get up, get out and get on, and you cant be paid if you are healthy to sit at home because you cant be bothered to go and contribute. These figures out today well, these figures out today from the office for from the ons, the office for national statistics, about national statistics, are about people are work less or are people who are work less or are economically inactive. Its not economically inactive. Its not the same as benefit claimants because a lot of the people in these stats, to be clear, 22 almost of uk working age population. Population. So its not just all the young people, 22 are apparently economically inactive. I find economically inactive. I find that quite staggering. But some of those people will be carers or some of them will be, you know, caring for home or family members. It doesnt necessarily mean that they are claiming unemployment, but actually but the real number is 5. 3 million are an out of work benefits. Thats i in 8 of the working age population between 16 and 65. And that is a disaster for any country. But some of those people, richard, will be getting a carers allowance because they might be looking after a disabled or partner or something. That carers allowance, by the i think thats shameful the way, i think thats shameful on that the i mean, on this nation that the i mean, its not like if you were its not even like if you were working a carer, its nowhere working as a carer, its nowhere even minimum wage. The even near minimum wage. The amount we give amount of money we give to people is an insult. Actually, its its that actually, its but its that number ive just given. About 5. 2 million about a million 5. 2 million is about a million and half more in 2019. And a half more than in 2019. Its become too easy to claim benefits, and the benefits have gone up the threshold. If you actually got a job for income tax, starting has stayed the same. And therefore for too many people are trapped in this people who are trapped in this calculation, better off at calculation, am i better off at the of the week going to the end of the week going to work or staying at home . And thats an absolute failure on the the the authorities, the establishment and the government and people who are in work but low paid work are are the worst of actually , because as they get of actually, because as they get caughtin of actually, because as they get caught in the so called fiscal drag of ridiculous low tax thresholds, theyre then caught in this spiral that actually do they then go and try and claim working credits to top up their benefits, or do they lose the access to other things and people who are on zero hours contracts . Its, you know, like a care workers and cleaners and people like that. They dont know from one week to the next how many hours theyre working. So how can you possibly budget, you know, there is a whole overhaul of work. You know, work has got to pay as richard says. But i think, you know, weve also got young people who, as i said earlier, whove missed out on the whole knocking about in the workplace thing. Theyve lost a lot of confidence. Yeah. But you are you yeah. But you see are you talking during the covid talking about during the covid time the ones who are who were. Lets suppose youre 18 so lets suppose youre 18 now. So during covid you would have been doing your gcse. You see i think one of the biggest scandals of our time is that everyone was obsessed with locking people everyone locking people down, everyone down, irrespective their risk down, irrespective of their risk levels. And barely a thought was levels. And barely a thought was given all to the ill grant given at all to the ill grant you unintended consequences. I dont think anyone deliberately caused harm, but you know, where was all the thought , where was was all the thought, where was all the consideration . And i blame media well for blame the media as well for a lot of that, because all anyone did was obsess. Why have we not locked down earlier . Are we locked down earlier . Why are we not down harder and for longer . F w longer . The most important but then the most important thing is actually how do thing is actually to how do we deal now . You know, you deal with it now . You know, you could argue actually you could argue that actually you need support those kids and need to support those kids and the centres employment the job centres and employment organisations to more organisations need to do more support. But youd have support. But then youd have people oh, its people going, oh, its ridiculous. Know, were ridiculous. You know, were paying ridiculous. You know, were paying to help kids into paying people to help kids into work, but somethings fundamentally wrong. Theres loads of were told theres loads of vacancies, theres of vacancies, but theres loads of people and people not going well and therefore to have mass therefore weve got to have Mass Immigration to deal with it. Fundamentally, are fundamentally, there are too many people going to university on mickey mouse on on, frankly, mickey mouse courses. Not courses. And its not a coincidence more people have coincidence as more people have gone university, problem gone to university, this problem has many people, has grown because many people, frankly, much better in frankly, would be much better in Work Training work, Work Training in work, apprenticeships that apprenticeships make that easy and would benefit and that would benefit the economy. Small businesses, everyones a winner. An absolute scream is an absolute disgrace. I mean, its virtually disgrace. I mean, its virtually fallen by the wayside because lots of companies and Public Sector organisations were using it as a way to get taxpayer funding , funding to put somebody funding, funding to put somebody who was, you know, in their 50s onto an apprenticeship course to do something different. It wasnt actually helping the people who need to be trained. I mean, one of the problems is that we havent got skilled and we havent got the right skills, particularly younger particularly among younger people, and weve got this ridiculous snobbery in this country, which is goes back generations, that if you are an electrician or a plumber or an engineer or a mechanic or Something Like that, you are not as valuable as somebody whos been to oxford. But that came from a Labour Government and tony blairs and system goes back before up system that goes back before up to go to to 50 of people go to university. When i was at that age, it was about 8 or 9. Yes but and, and things worked a lot better then. But that snobbery goes back way before tony blair. But skills come from when but those skills come from when you school at 16 or 18, you leave school at 16 or 18, you leave school at 16 or 18, you go the world of work , you go into the world of work, hopefully apprenticeship hopefully with an apprenticeship and skills and and you learn those skills and thats a great thing. Where are going to but where are you going to get apprenticeship . Well, get an apprenticeship . Well, i mean, the whole scheme mean, wheres the whole scheme is catastrophe. Mean, wheres the whole scheme is youverophe. Mean, wheres the whole scheme is youve gotie. Mean, wheres the whole scheme is youve got the apprenticeship youve got the apprenticeship levy, ridiculous. Its levy, which is ridiculous. Its just on big firms and its just a tax on big firms and its too and the too hard to claim. And the defence apprenticeships. Defence of apprenticeships. Way, an by the way, i did an apprenticeship when i left school. It was the best thing i ever did. There you are. I think theyre great. My grandsons one there you are. I think theyitsgreat. My grandsons one there you are. I think theyits wonderful|randsons one there you are. I think theyits wonderful we dsons one there you are. I think theyits wonderful we support ne them. But youve got organise it but youve got to organise it so it actually works and so that it actually works and firms can use it. Let me ask you this though, right . This whole notion of like, so many people like, youve got so many people now off, long sick now that are off, long time sick with Health Issues and with Mental Health issues and a lot those are young people. Lot of those are young people. And i get quite concerned about that, because start that, because once you start getting young getting labelled as a young person are so, you person about you are so, you know, mentally that you know, unwell mentally that you cannot possibly work. Do you cannot possibly work. How do you even out that hole . Im sorry. Im not really buying it, i really am. I just buying it, i really am. Ijust think theres too many people for whom its just too easy. Its become a serious Mental Health is horrific and a very serious condition. But for too many people, think its become many people, i think its become a convenient to say, oh, i a convenient label to say, oh, i need a duvet day, im not going to work. Im not well enough to go to work. Ive got to take a few months off. I can claim some benefits. I tell you what, the best for many people actually being busy going to work is the greatest for anxiety greatest cure for anxiety and those get busy , those sort of issues get busy, get on and youre funny enough. All of a sudden youll find yourself well. Is that fair . Well, its certainly true that if youre busy and active and you feel as though youve got a role and youre useful, you are more likely to find yourself feeling fulfilled. I mean, are also the mean, there are also the downsides that. People who downsides of that. People who are at work, people who are bullied at work, people who are bullied at work, people who are at work, people are stressed out at work, people who working in appalling who are working in appalling conditions , and not, you know, conditions, and not, you know, not earning enough to , money to not earning enough to, money to do what they need to. So, you know, there are two sides to that. I think, you know, the problem of Mental Health, i think, is something that we shouldnt dismiss lightly. But i do think there has been a tendency to over medicalize things, and i think , you know, things, and i think, you know, whether youre talking about the menopause, whether youre talking about, you menopause, whether youre talking about , you know, menopause, whether youre talking about, you know, feeling a bit down, or feeling anxious, what we seem to have lost is the ability to have a conversation that says, you know, lets be kind, lets be empathetic, but we dont need to necessarily stick a label on it. Well, there you go, let me know your thoughts on that. You guys are getting in touch. Its surprising me. So many of you, are favour of mandatory are in favour of mandatory voting. Voting. Gracious me. Thats the only time ive ever been on this show. And it was agreed. Show. And it was agreed. Ben says the only real democratic system , would be in democratic system, would be in voting was compulsory. I just voting was compulsory. I just how is it democratic to force somebody to go and do something same way as it is to force people to have a driving license or pay tax to get out and vote, says peter. Though we need candidates who can actually offer something, not people that seem to be completely out of their depth. Audrey says you could stop a lot of this, by stopping personal votings, mark says, can you tell your guests, please . Its politicians and the like that need to change their attitude before they start trying to change mine. Well, there you go. Just told them on there you go. Just told them on your behalf, mark, anyway , look, your behalf, mark, anyway, look, theres lots i want to talk to you about after the break. Specifically im asking, do you think we need more new gas stations now so that we have a little bit more Energy Security in country . Tell me and in this country . Tell me and ill hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry till 7 00. Leader of reform uk richard tice and political commentator joe phillips remain alongside me , phillips remain alongside me, one of my one of my viewers has just got in touch there. Mental health is the new bad back. Cor blimey. Therell be people that have suffered with Mental Health that disagree that that will disagree with that one, im as people one, but im sure as well people will stephen by will disagree, stephen says, by the asked about boris the way, you asked about Boris Johnson. Just we need johnson. Can i just say we need him back like a hole in our heads . Goodness gracious me, ill to these, other ill come on to these, other topics weve been discussing in just a second, i want to ask just a second, but i want to ask you, do you think this country needs gas power stations . Needs new gas power stations . Apparently, this will all be about to get some of about trying to get some form of energy country, Energy Security in this country, because you what . Its all because you know what . Its all great, it . Talking about great, isnt it . Talking about wind solar or whatever, but wind and solar or whatever, but what do when the wind what do you do when the wind doesnt blow the sun doesnt doesnt blow and the sun doesnt shine, rishi sunak has upset people with people today with this suggestion. Saying that suggestion. People saying that actually this would do more damage than it damage to Climate Change than it would where are you on would do good. Where are you on it, richard . Would do good. Where are you on it, iill ard . Would do good. Where are you on it, iill tell you exactly why we ill tell you exactly why we need lot more gas power need a lot more gas power stations and Nuclear Power stations. Often stations. Because quite often the blow and the the wind doesnt blow and the sun last week, we sun doesnt shine. Last week, we imported our imported 16 of all our electricity because we havent got enough capacity the uk. Got enough capacity in the uk. And now totally and were now totally overreliant on renewables. And overreliant on renewables. And thatis overreliant on renewables. And that is a that is a strategic failure of huge proportions, not only sending money abroad, but what happens if those interconnectors fail . What happens if those countries were buying electricity from norway and france need it for themselves . We would themselves . We literally would have had blackouts it have had blackouts last week. It is disastrous. We should be using our own gas, shale gas, getting Cheaper Energy , creating getting Cheaper Energy, creating jobs and keeping our money here. Thats what should be doing. Thats what we should be doing. Support rishi sunaks so you support rishi sunaks proposals then . Truth is actually no. The truth is actually rishi sunak is worried is rishi sunak is worried about, is worried us and realises worried about us and realises that were on the right track. Thats why theyre doing this and theyre and thats why theyre quite rightly on rightly rowing back on the madness net flip flop. The part of the problem is the lack of storage capacity, which the government has finally got to addressing. Got round to addressing. But for years and years and years, we closed down the storage capacity, which has left us very vulnerable, as was very evident when putin invaded ukraine. I think this as backup is actually quite a sensible idea, but they are not doing anything, as far as i can tell at the moment. It will be retrofitted to have storage capability , which seems to be capability, which seems to be utterly bonkers. I mean, anyone whos got solar panels, you know, you know very well your storing up energy. So its about storage as much as production, i think you know why are they doing it now . Because theyre scrabbling around for idea was with, you know, months to go before and theyre doing it now because they fundamentally failed to have enough capacity. They havent replaced our Nuclear Power stations. Theyve let of gas stations , go let some of the gas stations, go beyond expiry and theyve beyond the expiry and theyve suddenly oops , weve suddenly realised, oops, weve got problem. Our whole got a problem. Our whole strategy grotesquely strategy was grotesquely negligent and we, the taxpayer, are paying the price. But mean , they could have but i mean, they could have gone, you know, years ago, we gone, you know, 20 years ago, we could had Nuclear Power, could have had Nuclear Power, you know, have done you know, we could have done more. Havent looked far more. We havent looked far enough ahead in the future. And we are in grave danger of making the mistake. Mean, why the same mistake. I mean, why are or holding are they blocking or holding back more and more onshore Wind Facilities . You know, we live on facilities . You know, we live on an island. Theres an awful lot of wind. I know there are days when the wind doesnt blow. But we on island. Are we do live on an island. We are more get wind. You more likely to get wind. You know, theres an lot we know, theres an awful lot we can do. Were not investing enoughin can do. Were not investing enough in Green Technology or nuclear make ourselves nuclear to make ourselves self sufficient. And meanwhile, self sufficient. And meanwhile, you know, energy companies, then the Big Oil Companies are making absolute fortunes. I mean, the other side of this is what is the difference going to be blackouts are, you know, theyre irritating and irritating. Itd be disastrous if they destroy our economy. Well, they would be now, but, you know, some of us remember the three day weeks and things like that. And in fact, you know, i grew up thinking that everybody had, you know, at least a couple of days a week when they had to eat off a primus stove and things. But years ago, we but over 20 years ago, we were a net exporter of energy, right . When we were using our own our own gas and our own own oil, our own gas and our own coal. Now were a massive net importer. Were sending our money serious money overseas. Were at serious strategic its a strategic risk, and its a grotesque failure of actually by both the two main parties over the last 20 years. And its now us that are paying the price. Weve got the most expensive electricity almost in the western world, that is western world, and that is directly linked our huge , directly linked to our huge, huge generating capacity in renewables and storage. Storage, indeed. And storage, indeed. And storage, indeed. But this is again, i dont want to harp on, this is one want to harp on, but this is one of problems in the politics of the problems in the politics in country, it . So in our country, isnt it . So many politicians, they just think election cycles, they many politicians, they just thin think, ection cycles, they many politicians, they just thin think, what cycles, they many politicians, they just thin think, what canles, they many politicians, they just thin think, what can iss, they many politicians, they just thinthink, what can i do hey many politicians, they just thinthink, what can i do and just think, what can i do and say to get my own backside re elected at the next general election . Theyre always election . Theyre not always looking actually looking ahead at actually politics aside, what is genuinely thing for genuinely the best thing for this going forward. Lee this country going forward. Lee says, please can make says, michel, please can i make a point you talk about a point when you talk about benefits . Works from benefits . He works from home full and says he still full time and he says he still has to get benefit top ups just to be able survive. Ive got to be able to survive. Ive got to be able to survive. Ive got to say, credit to you, leah. Youve told me youve got quite a few kids as well. You know, the pressure is on. I think its shameful, actually, that someone can can graft full can work hard, can graft full time, that time, and still the wages that theyre not enough theyre getting are not enough to in this country. To survive in this country. I think shame on your think shame on whoever your employer there. You might employer is there. You might want a little word. Let want to have a little word. Let me know how you get on with that. Look, want to that. Anyway, look, i want to talk about an event talk to you about an event thats caught this thats caught my eye this weekend. After the break, its all the democracy within all about the democracy within media. Ill tell you why im interested this. After interested in this. After the break. Wont surprised to break. You wont be surprised to know that one of the leading questions is how questions in this debate is how do you solve a problem like gb news. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight alongside me. My panel remains till 7 00. Leader of reform uk richard tice and the political commentator joe phillips. We were just talking then , about sunak suggesting then, about sunak suggesting then, about sunak suggesting then perhaps we need more gas stations to keep us more Energy Secure in this country. Lots of secure in this country. Lots of people are just basically saying that this is just alice, for example, says this is all just politicking. Lets put it this way, mr sunak knows what hes doing. The suggestion there is, its just all about trying to bag votes. The next election, is it . You tell me. Anyway, are you at a loose end, this weekend or not . Do you sit there and think, what shall i do with myself . Well get this. Everybody. The media, democracy festival takes place it place this weekend. Oh, it sounds a doesnt it, sounds like a hoot, doesnt it, what do you think . Is there first item on their agenda, get this then. Number one discussion topic there. First session of the day. How do you solve a problem like gb news . Theyre going to focus on an expert panel on hate , conspiracy and panel on hate, conspiracy and bias in tv news. And ofcoms failure to regulate it. Oh, sounds like a riveting day out, doesnt it . It makes me laugh, by the way, because item number two on their agenda, item number two on their agenda, item number two is what is media democracy. So they seem to find gb news more important than their own concept more broadly. But actually, richard, on a serious note, i cannot help but notice the amount of people that seem to me to be so, overly concerning themselves with what i would call being very opposite to, democracy in media and more about trying to have some form of dictatorship , about what of dictatorship, about what people can and cannot actually watch and listen to. There is no question at all that the establishment is horrified by the growth of gb news and is basically trying to censor it in multiple ways, and thatis censor it in multiple ways, and that is because theyve had their way for about 30 years with the bbc and sky news and others, and its all been a sort of cosy like establishment, and its drifted further left and theyve been able to just, you know, a cosy little club. All of a sudden gb news comes along and its actually rather popular and more and more people are watching it because they love the refreshing debate. They love the refreshing debate. They love the disagreements. And the spicy disagreements. And thats a really good thing. And actually then say, actually people can then say, yeah, i listen to both yeah, well, i listen to both sides and normally agree with sides and normally i agree with x time i agree with y. And x this time i agree with y. And thats a great thing. Thats thats a great thing. Thats thats so thats democracy in action. So why they thats why do they think thats a problem is completely beyond me , problem is completely beyond me, joe well, i think its joe phillips well, i think its fair say, most people fair to say, as most people know, that newspapers are far less than broadcasters less regulated than broadcasters and broadcasters under the rules. And the bbc charter, which is completely separate , which is completely separate, are expected to provide balance , are expected to provide balance, years ago when i was a producer, you know, you had if it was an election campaign, you had to count it to the second as to the amount of airtime you go to, anybody representing one particular party. Gb news is certainly made its presence felt. And in terms of, it, it punches above its weight way beyond the number of listeners, listeners and viewers. So, you listeners and viewers. So, you know, although you havent got millions and millions of people, youre certainly getting headlines. Youre certainly making. But we do reach millions of people. We have huge reach. And actually people this is of actually people this is one of the things when you actually look criticism gb news, look at criticism of gb news, people say you saw the im a celebrity thing. Oh, theyre viewers and linda or viewers kevin and linda or whatever it was. And whatever it was. Keith and linda, remember now. Linda, i cant remember now. Thats absolutely absurd. I mean, programme, for mean, this programme, for example, news hour, is example, the 6 00 news hour, is a very competitive we a very competitive thing. We regularly programme regularly now this programme regularly now beats, for example, you. Example, sky news. Thank you. Everybody to watch everybody that chooses to watch and but carry and listen but carry on. But anyway, know my point but anyway, you know my point is youre is that, you know, youre a newcomer the block. Youre newcomer on the block. Youre Building Audience you are building an audience and you are disproportionately punching above in terms of above your weight in terms of impact. But, as a viewer and as a contributor, i do think that there are times when journalistically it should have a bit more balance. You know, youve got a self confessed, you know, mps, youve got lee anderson, now a former mp , anderson, now a former mp, youve got richard as a regular, regularly appearing on here, youve got ben habib, youve got a lot of people with political labels who appear on the channel very regularly and very comfortably, which is fine. But if you dont have that journalistic balance, which allows the presenter or presenters to say, well, hang on a minute, lets put another point of view. So i think, you know, there is an element that sometimes it feels as though people are getting a very easy ride, and that there isnt a challenge to put the balance, which i think is much more incumbent on the traditional. But ill give you ill give you, ill give you. On Climate Change, there is no debate. And the bbc or any other channels whatsoever, so that impartiality just doesnt stack up. I find really what i find really interesting, by the way, we interesting, by the way, when we speak balance, what weve speak about balance, what weve got is make sure theres got to do is make sure theres due impartiality. What that due impartiality. So what that means obviously theres of means is obviously theres of Course Opinion on course more than one opinion on very topics. So we very different topics. So we do of have to you of course have to show you a range of opinions. And i would hope actually thats we do hope actually thats what we do this by the way, they this festival, by the way, they say that theyre event for say that theyre an event for open public debate. Theyre open and public debate. Theyre looking forward to the opportunity discuss the opportunity to discuss the channel the channel and its impact on the landscape. Look at landscape. They want to look at things way ofcom , things like the way the ofcom, rulings have been made against gb and the concerns that gb news and the concerns that that and they say they that raises. And they say they reject implication reject the implication that organising a threat organising a debate is a threat to freedom of speech. I always makes because makes me laugh, though, because no seemed to be no one ever seemed to be concerned about certain perspectives being overly broadcast, news broadcast, before gb news came along. Only now that people along. Its only now that people perhaps dont agree with some of the opinions, that they hear that they seem busy that they seem to busy themselves orchestrating repeat complaints about the channel. Have that or not . So have you noticed that or not . So anyway, thats ive anyway, look, thats all ive got time for. Thank you to my panel got time for. Thank you to my panel. You. Home. Have panel. Thank you. At home. Have a night. Ill see you a great night. Ill see you tomorrow. Farage next tonight i a a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on. Solar, sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Good evening. Heres your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. Whilst in the south southeast of the uk , it is southeast of the uk, it is actually going to turn largely dry as go into wednesday. Dry as we go into wednesday. Its different story towards its a different story towards the and west. Thats the north and west. Thats because a frontal system because we have a frontal system here is eventually going to here that is eventually going to start to back south start to edge back south eastwards. As go through the eastwards. As we go through the night, is going bring night, that is going to bring some persistent some heavy, persistent rain across scotland. Across much of scotland. Northern ireland and then later into Northern England and wales. As go through hours as we go through the early hours of further and of tomorrow further south and east, rest of england east, across the rest of england and wales. A drier picture, but and wales. A drier picture, but a cloudy one and a windy story for all. And so temperatures really arent going to drop much. Many staying in much. Many places staying in double figures as we go through tomorrow itself. Then this band of gradually push its of rain does gradually push its way a little bit further south and but doesnt make and eastwards, but doesnt make much so it is going to much progress. So it is going to unger much progress. So it is going to linger bring quite a bit of linger and bring quite a bit of rain england rain across Northern England and some north wales. Two some parts of north wales. Two a dner some parts of north wales. Two a drier story further south, the limited bright or sunny spells here, but temperatures rising to highs of around 15 celsius. Windy for most of us, but the strongest winds will be across northwest scotland, where theres of gales but theres the risk of gales but also some sunshine. We go also some sunshine. As we go into and again staying into thursday and again staying mostly dry towards the southeast. Elsewhere there southeast. But elsewhere there will be quite a bit of rain around, outbreaks of rain feeding from the southwest feeding up from the southwest across a band across many places, with a band of persistent rain across of more persistent rain across Northern Ireland and scotland pushing to pushing northwards. Showers to come we go through friday. Come as we go through friday. Some of could be heavy and some of them could be heavy and then saturday likely to turn then saturday is likely to turn wet ill see you again wet again. Ill see you again soon. Bye bye. Wet again. Ill see you again soo looks bye. Wet again. Ill see you again soo looks like. Wet again. Ill see you again soo looks like things are heating looks like things are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Good evening. The government says were going to need new gas fired power stations. Otherwise, fired power stations. Otherwise, the lights are going to go out. Gosh, who knew . The Home Affairs Select Committee Hears today about a Conveyor Belt of people crossing the English Channel and converting to christianity so that they can stay. Its a level of abuse that is almost unbelievable. And a backbench conservative member of parliament suggests that the work shy those that are refused three jobs, should be conscripted and put into the army for two years. Well, its an idea, but does it have any chance of flying at all . Well, before all of that, lets get the news with sophia wenzler. Nigel. Thank you. At 7 00, im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your top story this hour. Newsroom. Your top story this hour. A newsroom. Your top story this hour. 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