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Johnson could be deployed to the red wall to campaign for the tories in the next general election. Well be hearing from voters in a tory stronghold and what they think about his potential return. And later in the show, andrea jenkyns, who says this is all absolute codswallop. Thats all coming up in your next hour. Welcome to the show. So yesterday, lee anderson defects to reform, sensationally sending seismic ripples through the tory party today. Oh, call me a cynic. Bofis today. Oh, call me a cynic. Boris johnson is being deployed to the red wall to try and save the conservatives faith. This feels to me like the classic dead cat story. Nothing to see here. Say cc hq , all is fine. Here. Say cc hq, all is fine. Bofis here. Say cc hq, all is fine. Boris will ride in on his white horse with his scruffy hair and save the day, but does the idea have any merit . Would it convince you to stick with the tories after that brexit revolt in 2019, or is it simply curtains for the conservatives . Get in touch all the usual ways. This is your show just as much as mine. Gb views at gb news. Com ill read out a bunch of your excellent replies. Youve been so switched on this latest few but now lets dive few days, but now lets dive into your latest News Headlines with sam francis. With sam francis. Martin, thanks very much. Good afternoon from the newsroom. Itsjust good afternoon from the newsroom. Its just gone 3 00. And our top story hour, lee and our top story this hour, lee anderson has made his first appearance commons since appearance in the commons since defecting to reform uk. He sat on the opposition benches to next George Galloway. The ashfield mp arrived in the chamber during the fourth day of debate on the budget. The former deputy chairman of the conservatives told gb news that hes not heard from the Prime Minister since he announced his defection. Then , 1000 defection. Since then, 1000 people have reform. The people have joined reform. The party , richard tice, says party leader, richard tice, says its proof of andersons popularity among red wall voters. Well, it comes after anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor a spokesperson for the Prime Minister says comments made by a tory donor about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. Hes admitted making rude comments but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, has described as described the comments as frightening and worrying and says she hopes public says she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Mr hester, whos donated £10 million to the tories in the last year, says hes deeply sorry. Meanwhile, the conservative lord culver ranger said the comments were terrible. Said the comments were terrible. You cant say that about anyone else, let alone someone whos done so much for politics. First black woman elected first ever black woman elected to parliament, and i think we have to look closely at look, its very early in terms of whats happened here. He has apologised. Have to apologised. I think we have to look at the context of where he said why said what said this, why he said it, what was on. I dont want to was going on. I dont want to sort of make any excuses it. Sort of make any excuses for it. Its the wrong thing to say. Its the wrong thing to say. Its a terrible thing to say. As heard today, well, as weve heard today, new plants will be new gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security. Despite Energy Security. Thats despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change. The government says the new stations are needed to avert what ministers described as the genuine prospect of blackouts, and provide a backup for the and to provide a backup for the growing electric economy. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities, many of which due to be which are old and due to be retired. The Prime Minister insists the uks net zero plan is still on track, but says it must be met in a sustainable way. Labour says it does support the new plans, but Shadow Energy secretary ed miliband accused the government of failing on its energy policies, leading to skyrocketing bills. Police investigating a chain of Funeral Homes in hull say they have now recovered 35 bodies and a quantity of what they say are suspected to be human ashes. It comes as two people arrested in connection with that Ongoing Investigation have been released on bail this afternoon. The 46 year old man and 23 year old woman were being held on suspicion of a number of offences, including preventing a lawful and decent burial. Hundreds of families who use legacy independent Funeral Directors have now contacted the police, fearing that they may have been given the wrong ashes. And to the us now, where the prosecutor who wrote a report that claimed President Biden has a poor memory , is appearing in a poor memory, is appearing in front of a Congressional Committee. If youre watching on tv, these are live pictures coming to us from washington. The former us special counsel, robert. Her, ignited fury among robert. Her, ignited fury among democrats last month when he described the president as a well meaning but elderly man with a poor memory. Critics argued that hes not a medical professional, and that he lacks expertise to make such a diagnosis. In his opening remarks today, mr hurd defended his report and insists it was accurate and fair. Andrew his report and insists it was accurate and fair. Andrew tate accurate and fair. Andrew tate has appeared in a Romanian Court after he was arrested on a uk warrant, which could see him extradited here to face trial. It comes after lawyers representing four of his accusers informed British Police that he was planning to flee the country. Tate and his brother tristan are accused of committing Sexual Offences between 2012 and 2015, allegations they have both rejected. The 37 and 35 year rejected. The 37 and 35 year olds are also facing rape and Human Trafficking charges in romania, where they both currently live. They have also denied those charges. One of denied those charges. One of britains most advanced warships is heading back to the red sea to protect Global Shipping from houthi attacks. Hms diamond has joined the joint patrols days after the uk and its allies successfully repelled a massive drone and missile attack by the iranian backed militants. The uk joined International Efforts to protect the important shipping route in february. The latest deployment is part of a broader response to the ongoing attacks, which also includes intercepting the smuggling of weapons into yemen. And finally, more than 20 yemen. And finally, more than 20 snakes, including a massive 17 foot constrictor thats around 5. 2m long, have been found dead in wales , discarded in boxes, in wales, discarded in boxes, bin bags and in pillow cases. The rspca is urgently appealing for information after the discovery was made along a road in pembrokeshire. Inspector in pembrokeshire. Inspector keith hogben says its one of the worst cases hes seen in his 25 year career. Post mortem examinations are being arranged and the Animal Welfare charity is currently investigating where those animals came from. Those are the latest headlines more in the next half hour. But in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr news alerts. Just scan the qr code there on your screen or sign gbnews. Com forward sign up to gbnews. Com forward slash alerts. Slash alerts. Thank you sam. Now we have got a red meat feast to feast on today. Got a red meat feast to feast on today. So much to get through. Today. So much to get through. But our top story of course has to be this reform uks first ever mp, lee anderson has now officially crossed the floor of the house of commons and joined fellow Opposition Mps sitting next to certain george next to a certain George Galloway. And it follows the ashfield mps announcement yesterday that he was defecting from the conservative party but could others follow him . Well, the Prime Minister has reportedly said that hes prepared to call a snap election in order to force other conservative mps flirting with the idea of crossing the floor to toe the line or face oblivion at the ballot box, which they probably are facing anyway. Anyway, for more , lets speak anyway, for more, lets speak now in our studio to gb news Political Editor chris hoban. Im also joined by reform uks london mayoral candidate howard cox. Welcome to you both. Lets start chris. So at the start with you, chris. So at the moment yesterday of the defection today crossed the floor. Youve just met with lee anderson. How is he . I pulled up a chair. Hes having a bowl of rice with some chicken. I had my soup with some chicken. I had my soup with him, he, you know, its hard for you. I think youre in hard for you. I think youre in a tribe. Then you leave that tribe and. And you know who sits here . Who sits down, maybe welcome some company. Im a journalist. I want to chat with the man of the moment, seemed the man of the moment, he seemed very, frankly, very, very jolly, frankly, history made today. Won history was made today. Won martin £0. 30 m. He he crossed the floor quotes that means the floor in quotes that means walking to the house of commons chamber. Turn right and youll see. See some, see. Youll see some, a spotlight him in the spotlight on him there in the chamber. Wasnt a real chamber. That wasnt a real spotlight. Thats merely highlighting with highlighting him sitting with george. I can disclose George Galloway. I can disclose that. Galloway the of that. Galloway shook the hand of lee anderson and wished him all the best. I mean, i think theyre both theyre both of a type politician used type of politician who are used to, know , you know, causing, to, you know, you know, causing, some what they some headlines with what they say. They are both individuals, say. They are both individuals, and they are own men. And they are their own men. Lets be honest about it. The interesting interestingly, of course, the hanson said, why now . Why are you joining reform having slagged back in having slagged them off back in january, he said, well, Lee Andersons by election victory , andersons by election victory, he, galvanised me utterly. George galloway, by election George Galloway, by election George Galloway, by election George Galloway, galvanised me to leave the tory party. Now people might make hay of the fact that theyre sat together. I just want to say that this is where they stick you if youre naughty. It was the same in european the same in the European Parliament were Brexit Parliament when we were brexit party stick right party meps. They stick you right in corner all the in the back corner all the troublemakers together because they to get you they want, in effect to get you with the guilt by association. Theres nothing in the long way away from the speaker. The speakers in the other end of the youre in end of the chamber. Youre in the imagine the far, far corner. Imagine a tennis court if youre in one one for one corner where all the one for one corner where all the one on one baseline, the far left corner is where youre sitting very hard to make. Youre very hard to get the speakers eye. The main parties dominate the noise, dominate the attention. Well, attention of the speaker. Well, whats your advice to troublemakers be troublemakers in parliament, be a. Yeah, a troublemaker. Yeah, absolutely. Great rules. Yeah. Theyve stuck in there because they naughty well, they think hes naughty. Well, well it. The well show it. Prove it. The nafion well show it. Prove it. The nation in the old nation is waiting in the old days, there will be walkouts. Alex salmond, when the alex salmond, when he led the snp, hed during the snp, hed walk out during the big a point big budgets to make a point about the money for about wheres the money for scotland . Wonder whether scotland . I wonder whether the hanson out and its hanson might walk out and its hard on your own to make a big noise about walking out, but do some demonstration about some form of demonstration about the northern seats. The red wall and northern seats. But interesting but it was interesting because nigel farage last because i saw nigel farage last night said something night and he said something really to and really interesting to me, and he said, anderson about to said, lee anderson is about to get famous. All get really, really famous. All eyes him , whatever he eyes will be on him, whatever he doesin eyes will be on him, whatever he does in that chamber. And in that context, chris, even though hes a one man army at the moment, hes well placed to cause merry hell and hes pulling money in by the bucket load a thousand people join reform paying at reform uk yesterday, paying at least £25 each, but on average they paid £12 more to add an extra donation. How . Cox is nodding his head. How . Cox is nodding his head. Hes a candidate for the reform uk to bring you in there. Thats £37 a head. Thats £37,000 in a day, 37 grand in one day. Not bad going howard cox. Whats the mood within the party . Because understand party . Because we understand that people within the that a few people within the party werent especially pleased that they that lee was turning up. They see as bit a ruffian, a see him as a bit of a ruffian, a bit of a rough diamond and some of how should you put of the more, how should you put it . Of it . Erudite members of the party . The mood. Party . Well, the mood. Is buoyant. Theyre the mood is buoyant. Theyre very number of very good. And that number of a thousand, is a i think thousand, i think, is a i think its. Were well past that its. Well were well past that now. Yesterdays now. That was yesterdays figure. More figure. I know a lot more coming. I havent got the figure ive texted to find if ive just texted to find out if ive just texted to find out if i get number you i can get the number for you before the before i go off air, but the fundamentally, the people are very delighted with with him. I think a brave doing think hes a brave man for doing this. Some criticisms this. I have some criticisms about like. This. I have some criticisms abo he like. This. I have some criticisms abo he criticised like. This. I have some criticisms abo he criticised sadiq. This. I have some criticisms abo he criticised sadiq khan the he criticised sadiq khan the way admits he was way he did it, he admits he was clumsy. Actually said in one clumsy. I actually said in one interview it was a bit crass the way he did deliver that. But he was bringing to the to was actually bringing to the to everyones view exactly what is happening in london. And you, youve a victim of it youve been a victim of it yourself. You walk past the Parliament Square with the with the on the side of the the display on the side of the Elizabeth Ben and Elizabeth Taylor and big ben and also the people with hoods and etc. The were etc. And the police were doing nothing. And this is the nothing. And this is the problem. Full of problem. My inbox is full of people. Standing for london people. Im standing for london mayor, number one mayor, and my number one particular thing that im getting, not just ulez is getting, its not just ulez is crime, feeling safe. Crime, safety and feeling safe. Yeah, chris, we heard mr mcvey today on the way into parliament. She spoke to cameras filming the arrivals and comings and downing street. And goings of downing street. She he campaigned for she said after he campaigned for Jeremy Corbyn 2017. In Jeremy Corbyn in 2017. In effect, gone full effect, hes now gone full circle and hell be campaigning for keir starmer because he means every time he vote for the reform is a vote for labour. So clearly she felt shes misjudged him. That problem . A him. Isnt that your problem . A vote for your party is a vote for keir starmer. I think the vote for the tories is a problem. I think this is one thing im going to agree George Galloway. This is one thing im going to agree two George Galloway. This is one thing im going to agree two georgearelloway. This is one thing im going to agree two georgeare the ay. This is one thing im going to agree two georgeare the two these two parties are the two cheeks the backside of cheeks of the backside of complete incompetence. And thats what it is at the moment in time. Need a change. If in time. We need a change. If you change, got you want change, youve got to vote change. Be vote vote for change. Dont be vote for that you scared for something that you scared might all about might happen. Its all about policies. About the policies. Nothing about the colour rosette. Chris colour of your rosette. Chris its say i was listening its fair to say i was listening to broadcaster on the to a rival broadcaster on the way in and they are frothing at the mouth about liam neeson, they are saying the guy they are just saying the guy is an islamophobe. Hes a racist, an islamophobe. Hes a racist, hes toxic. Hes taken this country back to the dark ages, and now hes come to reform. Theyre saying its even more proof that this guy is a bigot who doesnt represent britain. What would your what say what would your what do you say to that . What would your what do you say to twell, hes not an well, hes not an islamophobic hes not a islamophobic and hes not a racist. Ive known him racist. I know ive known him for some time. Not like for some time. Hes not like that. Shoot from the hip that. He did shoot from the hip on particular he was on this particular thing. He was angry. A lot of us angry. And like a lot of us are in particular, it feels like you have of problem with what have more of a problem with what lee than youre on. Lee said than youre letting on. Was that put you out . What was it that put you out . What was it that put you out . My point view, well, from my point of view, he weaponised to throw he has weaponised khan to throw into the pot of into the into the pot of attacking were attacking reform that were a racist far right wing racist party, a far right wing party. And that was music to, sadiq khans ears. And i think thats the mistake that he made. But he recognises that. And but what he has done is highlight the issues , the problems weve the issues, the problems weve got in london, particularly, and in other around in other cities around the country. Country. Do you one thing do you think, one thing i noficed do you think, one thing i noticed the press conference noticed at the press conference yesterday, particularly yesterday, he was particularly combative towards the press. Yes. The press wont like yes. Now the press wont like that. El tufo, the press arent the judge. And jury. We saw that dunng the judge. And jury. We saw that during brexit referendum. Do during the brexit referendum. Do you actually , this you think actually, this renewed, combative mode of engagement with the press actually might land quite well, i think. I think there is that point there. But what ive always been told style. Well, ive been around for a long time. Im in my 70th year and ive been 15 years campaigning for fairfield, uk. I do is upset uk. The last thing i do is upset people and chris. People like you and chris. Youre nice. Well very nice youre very nice. Well very nice maybe, deep down i am maybe, but i, im deep down i am angry about whats happening in this country at the moment. Angry about whats happening in this country at the moment. And this country at the moment. And he wants bring back the he wants to bring back the country, under control country, you know, under control of people that really need representation. Theyre not getting that well, he said. I want my country back. And it certainly sent a up on it certainly sent a flare up on the horizon. Much so, chris, the horizon. So much so, chris, that heard these rumours that weve heard these rumours that weve heard these rumours that be that Boris Johnson might be deployed red wall. Deployed to the red wall. I smell a rat more than rumours. Front page of todays times. I was struck there by the language. According to a senior government source, the two are, you know, on good terms and they can work together. According to can work together. According to bofis can work together. According to Boris Johnsons friends, they havent a year , and havent spoken for a year, and of course, hell do whatever he can to help the tory party. He is a tory, i there is a tory, but i think there appears be some bad appears to be still some bad blood rishi sunak and blood between rishi sunak and bofis blood between rishi sunak and Boris Johnson. Dont forget why october 2022 when boris met with rishi. Indeed, he tried to do a deal to try and carve out the premiership after liz truss , her premiership after liz truss, her regime fell apart. They didnt get on very well. I think there are a lot more, to be had are a lot more, drinks to be had between those two before they can work on the same platform. A lot of people felt he carved a deal by stabbing carved out a deal by stabbing him back, but talking of him in the back, but talking of which, you got news of another rebellion this rebellion in the tories. This one, this time led again by Suella Braverman. My hand here thats right in my hand here is the amendments for the is a the amendments for the sentencing you cant sentencing bill. And you cant really detail here. But really see the detail here. But this back to this is remember back to the kings the government this is remember back to the kingsaid the government this is remember back to the kingsaid it the government this is remember back to the kingsaid it wont1e government this is remember back to the kingsaid it wont jailovernment this is remember back to the kingsaid it wont jail criminalst has said it wont jail criminals for year. Tory mps for less than a year. Tory mps are very concerned. Its passed the First Reading of the sentencing bill, but no further. But the reason why its being weighed by the volume of weighed down by the volume of tory to it tory mps trying to amend it to stop the government releasing people who, frankly, should be jailed should be kept in jailed up, should be kept in prison and shouldnt be released into more than prison and shouldnt be released into in more than prison and shouldnt be released into in the more than prison and shouldnt be released into in the next more than prison and shouldnt be released into in the next hour iore than that, in the next hour and thats a story the thats a telling story on the day talking early day were talking about Early Release of prisoners going up a party thats on law and party thats tough on law and order to be going pretty order seems to be going pretty soft. Happened soft. Well, whats happened a while is delaying while the government is delaying getting front of getting this bill in front of parliament the scale parliament because of the scale of the numbers of the opposition. The numbers are these jails. Are building up in these jails. And we heard alex in and we heard alex chalk in a statement in the house of commons today saying why theyve got more got to try and release more if they can, from the prisons. Its not day for law and order. Okay. I order. okay okay. I want to end on a final question for you, howard cox. Politics cox. They say politics is show business ugly no business for ugly people, no offence, i was one. Thank you for that. Are you going, mate . I was one once myself, but i want to ask you this question on a serious note. Lee is now the reform partys rock star. Hes hes rock and roll star. Hes hes the man in the headlines. Is that to galvanise the that going to galvanise the party, or could we see people thinking, well, hang on a minute, star here. Im minute, im the star here. Im the star here. Is time just the star here. Is it a time just for to one side and do for egos to one side and do whats right country . Whats right for the country . Because lee can because lets face it, lee can probably switch on red wall probably switch on the red wall in that nobody in in a way that nobody else in the party in a way that nobody else in the parwell, you summed exactly well, you summed up exactly the the red wall the red boys. He is the red wall champion. Thats what hes there for. That im for. And can i just say that im to talking lot of tory to talking a lot of tory backbenchers are very backbenchers who are very supportive fairfield, supportive of my fairfield, uk campaign. Lots of them. And theyre getting lot of theyre im im getting a lot of people saying , well done what people saying, well done what youve telling youve done. And im telling you though, them though, theres a lot of them and more nine because and its more than nine because you question, howard, you one question, howard, theres rumours in westminster from to that from several sources to me that nine tory mps might come across before the november election. Before the november election. Is that right . Is that right . Is that right . I couldnt possibly comment on that situation. All i know theres a lot of interest, and i think theres a lot of advance talks going on. But as richard tice its their tice said, its their confidential name names. Tice said, its their conjust1tial name names. Tice said, its their conjust me, name names. Tice said, its their conjust me, martin, ames. Tice said, its their conjust me, martin, no es. Else just me, martin, no one else is listening. Just me, martin, no one else is liste ones listening. No ones listening. No ones listening. Obviously i cannot, know obviously i cannot, you know that, good try mate. That, chris. Good try mate. Well, i said no ones listening. I meant i meant to you, howard. Not to not to listen this amazing show. Listen to this amazing show. Now, think this story now, listen, i think this story has i think its got a has got legs. I think its got a role and role. The very fact sometimes that opponents of sometimes that the opponents of reform, the opponents of the anderson, the ones who cant anderson, are the ones who cant stop about shows stop talking about it, shows something extraordinary has happened. In happened. The tories are in freewheel panic back cycling mode. Think , is going to mode. This, i think, is going to i think its good for my mayoral election. I think the sort of publicity im getting, im already getting a mention standard, a mention evening standard, which communist paper, as which is a communist paper, as ive about it. So ive always said about it. So dare i say that im here . Great stuff a fantastic great stuff and a fantastic start show. Howard cox, start to the show. Howard cox, chris of course, chris chris hoban of course, chris will us throughout will be with us throughout the show. Come now. Show. Got lots more to come now. Lots that story lots more on that story throughout of course, throughout the show. Of course, and of coverage and theres plenty of coverage on gb dot com, on our website gb news dot com, and youve helped to make it the fastest National Fastest growing National News website in country. So thank website in the country. So thank you much. Now brace you very much. 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Full terms and Privacy Notice at gbnews. Com forward slash win. Please check the closing time if watching or listening demand. Good luck. Listening on demand. Good luck. Great stuff. Now youre watching or listening to gb news. Coming up after the discovery that the clapham chemical attacker abdul ezedi a converted to christianity to stay in the uk, mps are examining a claim that theres a Conveyor Belt of conversions for Asylum Seekers, and that man lee anderson, was the one leading the charge on that. Today at the Home Affairs Select committee. Home Affairs Select committee. Well have more on that soon. On martin on gb news, Martin Daubney on gb news, britains channel welcome back. Its 325. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news and now to the claim from a former priest that the church is allowing a Conveyor Belt of conversions to christianity so that people can gain asylum in the uk. The church has come under recent scrutiny after the clapham chemical attacker, abdul ezedi, was granted asylum post conversion following two previous failed attempts at asylum and in a Parliamentary Committee meeting today, mps and members of the clergy denied abuses in the system. Welcome abuses in the system. Welcome now speak with gb news home and security editor , mark white. Security editor, mark white. Mark, always a pleasure. Welcome to the show. So a Conveyor Belt system is what it was called today. And today, people, including the reverend Matthew Firth, were questioned. What came out of it . Well, we suspected, hadnt we, for some time, that the system was being gamed by a certain amount of Asylum Seekers who wanted to strengthen their applications to remain in the uk, and now weve heard from reverend Matthew Firth, as you say, who experienced at first hand he was a parish priest for the church of england at saint Cuthberts Church in darlington between 2018 and 2020. And he said to the Home Affairs Committee today in the commons that he noticed soon after arriving that there was, a certainly a significant amount of Asylum Seekers arriving on a regular basis at his church and asking for conversion to christianity became very suspicious of that , after about suspicious of that, after about 6 or 7, regularly would arrive every 2 to 3 weeks, mainly syrians and iranians. And what he told the committee was he wanted to call a halt to that. So he told them anyone that wanted to, convert to christianity, that they would have to, at that point, be much more involved in the church. And he saw a big difference then in the number of applications he was getting. This is what he told the committee. We press the pause button on the process. I honoured the baptisms that were or the baptisms that were or the baptism requests were baptism requests that were already system. Then already in the system. But then you pattern and then you you spot a pattern and then you think, hang on, theres something going on here, and then , you try to press then you, you try to press a pause button, which is to make sure that people are requested to come to church and start getting involved and attending church regularly. Events and so on. And church regularly. Events and so on. And that was the thing that kind of made the numbers fall off a cliff in a sense, because those people kind of melted away, really. Away, really. Well, the Committee Also heard from other senior faith leaders in the Christian Faith in the uk, including the bishop of chelmsford, and she said that she didnt recognise this description of a Conveyor Belt of baptisms. This is what she told the committee. Told the committee. You know, our churches respond to , to, to local need, respond to, to, to local need, however it presents itself. Thats a totally separate issue to saying that we are kind of quickly and easily and freely baptising large numbers in order to scam the asylum processing. I to scam the asylum processing. I think that the notion that the church of england is currently being a Conveyor Belt for baptisms , in order for people to baptisms, in order for people to gain their Asylum Seeker status. I dont recognise that comment. I dont recognise that comment. And the bishop of chelmsford went as far as to say she believed that the Asylum Seekers who are applying to undergo conversion to christianity to be bapfised conversion to christianity to be baptised , might be doing so baptised, might be doing so because of the hostile environment towards Asylum Seekers in the uk. And she said seekers in the uk. And she said that the Church Offers those Asylum Seekers a warm welcome and that might be, she believes, why, there are so many Asylum Seekers that are willing and, want to be converted to christianity. We also heard from christianity. We also heard from the immigration minister, Tom Pursglove , and, rather, pursglove, and, rather, unbelievably , actually, the unbelievably, actually, the minister said that although he did not recognise claims by the former home secretary, Suella Braverman, of an industrial scale baptism of Asylum Seekers , scale baptism of Asylum Seekers, they had nothing at the home office to back up his assertion, because they didnt have any accurate data at all, really, on how many Asylum Seekers had converted to christianity. This is what he said. We are actively working to improve the data set that we have around this issue. So one of the challenges is that the legacy it systems that we have been working on do not capture data in this area very effectively. The home secretary and i have been very clear in asking officials that we want to see greater itemised data in that area , and we are currently that area, and we are currently working through publication around that. And i think that youre absolutely right to touch on the data point. I think all of us want to see an improvement in terms of the quality of data that we have around Decision Making asylum space. Making in the asylum space. So the minister saying that they have no idea just how many of these Asylum Seekers have claimed or tried to convert or indeed converted to christianity. And we can understand perhaps if there are legacy it issues how they would not know about previous ones. But given that there are more than 130,000 Asylum Seekers still in the system are still being processed , you would think they might be able to just check and determine how many of them are now christian. Okay, an excellent summary. There mark white of an unholy mess at the heart of the church of england. Thank you very much. And its worth pointing out the reverend Matthew Firth was in this very a short while this very studio a short while ago. Exclusively on the ago. Hell be exclusively on the patrick show tonight. A Patrick Christys show tonight. A superb, interview. Superb, insightful interview. And at 4 00 well have questions from that man, lee anderson to reverend firth. That proves this outrage will show you those at 4 00. Succinct questioning cut right to the heart of the question. On his first day as a reform mp. Lee anderson ruffling reform mp. Lee anderson ruffling feathers. Now theres lots more still to come between now and 4 00. And there are reports that bofis 4 00. And there are reports that Boris Johnson could be used to help the tories in red wall seats. But would that boost tory seats. But would that boost tory support in the next general election , or is it all a bit of election, or is it all a bit of a red herring . Well, well hear what some voters in bassetlaw, in red wall think. But in the red wall think. But first, time for your latest first, its time for your latest news sophia News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Wenzler. Martin, thank you and good afternoon. Your headlines just afternoon. Your headlines just after 330. Lee anderson has made his first appearance in the commons since defecting to reform uk. He took his seat on reform uk. He took his seat on the opposition benches next to returning mp George Galloway. Around 1000 people have joined reform since his defection. Yesterday. Party leader richard tice says its proof of his popularity among red wall voters. Mr anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor a spokesperson for the Prime Minister says comments made by a tory donor about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable , but were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, described the comments as frightening and worrying. Mr hester says hes deeply sorry. Hester says hes deeply sorry. Now to developments in the news surrounding andrew tate. We understand he will be extradited from romania to face charges here in britain after an order was approved by a court in bucharest this afternoon. It bucharest this afternoon. It comes after lawyers representing four of his accusers informed British Police that he was planning to flee romania, where he and his brother tristan have been living. They are accused of Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking allegations theyve both denied. And finally, new both denied. And finally, new gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security. Despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change, the government says the new stations are needed to avert potential blackouts. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities , many of existing facilities, many of which are old, due to be retired. The Prime Minister insists the uks net zero plan is still on track, but says it must be met in a sustainable way. And for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gbnews. Com slash alerts. Go to gbnews. Com slash alerts. 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Already hundreds of emails coming in on the of leandersson and the topic of leandersson and this conversion the topic of leandersson and this get conversion the topic of leandersson and this get them version the topic of leandersson and this get them inrsion the topic of leandersson and this get them in gbn the topic of leandersson and this get them in gb views at racket. Get them in gb views at gb news. Com im Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel welcome back. Its 338. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. Now, the government has pledged to build new gas power stations to improve the uks Energy Security and to avoid what ministers call the genuine prospect of blackout. Well, Energy Secretary Claire Coutinho has also justified the move by saying the uk will still need gas power for its electricity beyond 2030. But of course, critics argue the move could threaten the governments legally binding commitment to reach net zero by 2050. Well, joining me now to discuss this is the peerless Liam Halligan gb news, economics and Business Editor with on the money. Liam, always an absolute money. Liam, always an absolute pleasure. My old turn to have you on the show. Finally. It seems reality bites and what weve been saying for many , many weve been saying for many, many moons. Liam, when we need power the most in the winter, when the wind is low and the sun is low, we simply cannot rely on renewables. Hence we need to rely on gas. Tell us more , martin. Its worth saying before we beat ourselves up with guilt, that the uks energy mix, you know, how we generate our electricity has been absolutely transformed in the last 20 years. Theres almost no country in the world where the shift has been so significant that at the turn of the century, we were producing about a third of our electricity using coal. The dirtiest of all the carbon fossil fuels. We now use coal for about 1 of our electricity , for about 1 of our electricity, maybe 2. On bad days. We use renewables for about 40 of our electricity. Martin, which again electricity. Martin, which again is one of the highest in the western world. Weve got some of the biggest offshore wind farms in the world, and were seeing some of those pictures now. Weve got wave weve got weve got wave power. Weve got solar the reality is solar power. But the reality is we use gas fired power we still use gas fired power stations for about 40 of our electricity as well. Why . Because gas can literally be fired up. Thats where the phrase comes from. We can turn on our gas fired power stations when the sun doesnt shine, and when the sun doesnt shine, and when the sun doesnt shine, and when the wind doesnt blow, which, as you rightly say, is pretty often in this country. Pretty often in this country. And the reality is that weve got 32 gas fired power stations now, a lot of them are coming to the end of their natural life, and we need more gas fired power stations, because however much we use renewables , we cant we use renewables, we cant always use them for obvious climactic and weather related reasons. So we need whats called baseload power. Power. Thats always their power to keep the lights on, power to keep the lights on, power to keep hospitals up and running, power to keep us warm in the winter, power literally to stop the lights going out. And the worlds fifth biggest economy crashing to its knees in a way that will have massive implications for investment and the lives and livelihoods of people in this country. And why is electricity in this country so much more expensive than many other western countries, both for domestic and for commercial users . It is, martin, because weve got such a high share of renewables, not the fact that weve got a high share of renewables per se. That could be really good news. But weve got such a high share of renewables before weve really sold. Avoid before weve really sold. Avoid the problem of how to store Renewable Energy and with an absence of other power that can come in to fill that baseload need. When we need to. Nuclear cant really do that. And our Nuclear Capability is rather low, certainly compared to the french. So we need gas fired french. So we need gas fired power stations because you can literally fire them up at a moments notice when the sun isnt there, when the wind isnt there. The problem is, martin, its very, very, very expensive to keep gas fired power station capacity literally on standby. You need whole power stations that are just sitting there full of staff , full of capability. Of staff, full of capability. They need to be maintained and by definition, theyre not used that often. So they cant generate the electricity and the revenue to cover that cost. So revenue to cover that cost. So that cost of those gas fired power stations on standby has to be spread across all electricity pnces be spread across all electricity prices in the uk. That is why electricity in the uk is so expensive. Its a combination of very High Renewables and a lack of other baseload capability. Thats why we need more gas fired power stations and gas fired power stations and gas fired power stations. Theres so fired power stations. Theres so much more environmentally friendly than coal fired power stations or the use of oil. Gas stations or the use of oil. Gas is seen by many people as a semi green fuel. It isnt nearly as green, of course, as renewables or its not as green as nuclear, though some environmental campaigners have major problems with how we dispose of nuclear waste. And i understand why, though other environmental campaigners actually champion nuclear. But look, we are now seeing some reality injected into this net zero debate. Im all in favour of moving away from fossil fuels. There has to be a better way than digging stuff out of the ground. Were stuff out of the ground. Were smarter than that. Were cleverer than that. But even the governments own Climate Change commission, which is like the legally empowered green conscience, a campaigning entity within the heart of government within the heart of government with an awful lot of influence. Even they say that by 2030 and even by 2050, well still be using a lot of oil and gas. So thats why we need these gas fired power stations. I applaud fired power stations. I applaud this not because i dont believe that we need to move away from fossil fuels like oil and gas. I do , but i applaud it because do, but i applaud it because this will stop the lights going out. And if the lights go out, out. And if the lights go out, the debate about net zero will become very, very, very nasty indeed. And those net zero targets will be completely junked and consigned to the political margins. Junked and consigned to the political margins. So this is political margins. So this is a dose of reality from Prime Minister rishi sunak. But i have to say to him and the rest of the tory frontbench, what took you so long . Indeed, Liam Halligan many, many people out there will agree when reality trumps zealotry. Thank you very much. Now ive thank you very much. Now ive got some breaking for news you here. And thats reality tv star katie price has been fined £880 after being found guilty in her absence at Northampton Magistrates Court of driving without a licence and without insurance. A quick repeat of that. Katie price has been fined £880 after being found guilty in her absence at Northampton Magistrates Court of driving without a license and without insurance. Now theres plenty insurance. Now theres plenty more to bring you in just a moment, but first, in a gb news series innovation britain, we are looking at the success of british manufacturing around the country i were here at sky blade precision engineering. Theyre based in derbyshire now. Theyve just invested in a brother studio with an automation cell next to it. Now youre a subcontract machine shop, arent you, paul . You, paul . Thats right. Thats right. I mean, we make components for commercial industries. Industrial equipment, mainly hydraulic , pneumatic blocks out hydraulic, pneumatic blocks out of aluminium and brass and things like that. Things like that. So naturally, you dont know whats coming through the door . We have no idea what no, we have no idea what customers going but customers are going to want, but we multinationals all we work for multinationals all over the world. And, you know, we know what going we dont know what theyre going to have gone to need. So why have you gone for now , i think the for automation now, i think the whole Business Model of basically a man stood next to a machine loading blocked by hand is failing, especially in the uk. It might work in other countries , but in the uk thats countries, but in the uk thats coming to an end. If we dont invest in automation now, were going to be out of business in a few years time. And is that on every single process . No well, not everything low, low volume work. Youre probably still to manually still going to have to manually load anything higher load it, but anything higher than 50 or 100 off, youre going to to try and it to need to try and automate it to need to try and automate it to get the labour costs down. Do you think so how do you think engineering is evolving now . So how do you think engengineeringevolving now . So how do you think engengineering is lving now . So how do you think engengineering is changing . Engineering is changing dramatically , i mean, the dramatically, i mean, the engineers are not tied to a machine anymore because you have an automated cell to do it. An engineer can move into cad cam. They still need the engineering skills. They still need that skills. They still need that knowledge of how to cut metal. But dont. Theyre not tied but they dont. Theyre not tied to you with if to a machine, you know, with if we invest in cells like this, you can be six times more productive. We can win work from productive. We can win work from anywhere the right here anywhere in the world right here in the Judith Raanan i Boris Johnson is reportedly expected to be campaigning for the conservatives in red wall seats before the general election. So why dont we hear now from people in bassetlaw, which handed Brendan Clarke smith a 14,000 whopping majority in the last general election in 2019 . For their thoughts . Thoughts . I dont think so. No, no , not i dont think so. No, no, not much else to say really. I mean, i actually used to like Boris Johnson, but he let me down with covid and so therefore i wont be voting conservative anymore. I did do, but not anymore. Not for me. And anybody else here. Because from all from, from day one, its been a liar all along. Dont vote for him. Stick with labour. Are you a labour man . Im a labour man. Always have been. Yes when lots of people turned to the conservatives. Choose to stay labour . Because im labour through and. Most people turn to and through. Most people turn to conservatives because of brexit and brexit failed. I like borisjohnson, to be i like Boris Johnson, to be honest with you , and i think it honest with you, and i think it could do with a boost for conservatives. Ive always been conservatives. Ive always been a labour voter, but, no , i went a labour voter, but, no, i went to conservative and said he said i think, especially Brendan Clarke smith has done more for worksop and the surrounding area than a lot have done. Not everythings perfect, but, you know, theyve come a long way and i think it achieved a lot, to be honest, personally, not for me. No, hes not done no, no, hes not done anything to make any arrangement to make this town better. Its still you can see how dismal it is. No, because of, when he was in charge at conservative party he all he thought about was , is he all he thought about was, is the upper class, not the working class , because it would telling class, because it would telling everybody to stay at home during covid. And what did he do . He had an and what did he do . He had an house party. Well, there you go. It seems maybe boris wont be the magic key to unlock that vote after all. All to play for now. Today is the first day of one of the uks biggest horse racing festivals and the Cheltenham Festival has kicked off. Today, though there has been a wet and soggy start to the day and thats just at the bar. Lets find out if this has dampened the spirits of our festival goers. Lets speak now with gb goers. Lets speak now with gb news jack carson, who News Reporter jack carson, who is in cheltenham for the shindig. Wet , is in cheltenham for the shindig. Wet, its shindig. Jack, its wet, its damp. Whats the mood amongst the punters . The punters . Well, certainly the crowd. Absolutely loving the first day of Cheltenham Festival here as that first, of those runners came round the last final corner and went over the final hurdle in the first race today, the noise of the crowd, you could just tell how ecstatic and excited they were to have cheltenham Cheltenham Festival back once again. Of course, its not just about the horse racing locally here to the economy. Its absolutely millions its worth absolutely millions to the independent businesses within the town. But of course, what are the festival goers feeling . How are they feeling about the next four days . We spoke some a little spoke to some a little bit earlier on alixia. Mean, ive been to four i mean, ive been to four preview nights, done all my homework , you know, so just wait homework, you know, so just wait for the money to roll in. It was very excited to be here. And why . Why year after year . What about festival . What is it about this festival . The racing, the atmosphere. You cant yeah, just you cant beat it. Yeah, just having a good time back a having a good time back in, a few having beers. Few winners, having a few beers. Is that what brings you back every years it every year . How many years is it now then . Now for you then . Oh, what . Ive here, 20. Oh, what . Ive been here, 20. Oh, what . Ive been here, 20. This is our first time at cheltenham. Why decide this year . Why decide to come this year . What that decision . What made that decision . Gang of people well, that gang of people there come every year and thoroughly enjoy it. We live in devon and theyve persuaded the girls them. This year. Girls to join them. This year. Well, you see the best horses at the best races, so its like going to the world cup final, really. So and thats brings me so and thats what brings me back. Jack. Superb report. The spirits are high even if its damp out there. And ive got to say spectacular cap mate. Youre really fitting in there. You look every inch dressed for the stable. See you again soon, mate. Lovely now youre watching or listening to gb news. Coming up, all the latest reaction to the Anderson Crossing the commons floor today to join Opposition Mps there. We have loads of reaction that, loads of reaction on that, including he sat next to George Galloway. Does any of that matter. Plus galloway. Does any of that matter. Plus well have all the latest on that Boris Johnson come back first. Its your weather alex burkill. Weather with alex burkill. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Heres your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. More rains to come as we go through the next few days, especially in the northwest. But it going be mild, albeit it is going to be mild, albeit also because have an also windy because we have an area of low pressure developing currently to wards. The currently to the wards. The northwest of the uk that is then dragging in our air from the southwest , which a mild southwest, which is a mild direction, it dragging direction, but it is dragging some cloudy air into, some pretty cloudy air into, which is why its a cloudy picture and staying cloudy as we go through evening and go through the evening and overnight. A drizzly overnight. A few drizzly outbreaks wales , outbreaks for england and wales, but across and northern but across scotland and northern ireland. Some ireland. Here we have some heavy, rain pushing heavy, persistent rain pushing its way in and that will reach the far of england and the far north of england and wales is going wales later on. Two it is going to mild night, temperatures to be a mild night, temperatures not many not dropping for many of us, perhaps something bit perhaps something a little bit fresher towards the fresher pushing in towards the far north the uk. That band far north of the uk. That band of then a little bit of rain then edges a little bit further southwards as we go through it doesnt through tomorrow. But it doesnt make any quick so it make any quick progress, so it is unger make any quick progress, so it is linger and stall is going to linger and stall across of northern across parts of northern england, northern central wales, to mostly dry to the south of this mostly dry across much of central southern england could be some england and wales could be some brightness, particularly towards the here temperatures the east, and here temperatures should get to highs of around 15 or 16 celsius, a little bit colder than this across northern parts, greater chance of parts, but a greater chance of seeing sunny skies. But seeing some sunny skies. But watch the strong winds, watch out for the strong winds, especially north. Especially in the far north. Risk of gales here as we go through later on tomorrow. That band of edges little bit band of rain edges a little bit further again pushes further northwards again pushes into of scotland, staying into parts of scotland, staying dner into parts of scotland, staying drier towards south. Drier towards the south. But more to we go more rain to come as we go through the of the week, through the end of the week, albeit is looking more albeit friday is looking more showery saturday should showery and saturday should start mostly dry. Feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. A very good afternoon to you. Its 4 pm. Welcome to the Martin Daubney show on gb news. Broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. All across the uk. Todays top story. Lee anderson, reform uks first ever mp, has now crossed the floor of the house of commons, taking a besieged with Opposition Mps as you can see there, next to a certain mr George Galloway in a naughty corner. But just how significant could this be . And will further tory mps follow him onto those opposition benches . Well have all of the latest on that next. After it was revealed that next. After it was revealed that the clapham chemical attacker, abdul ezedi, had converted to christianity in order to remain in the uk , mps order to remain in the uk, mps are examining the view that theres a Conveyor Belt of conversions for Asylum Seekers to cheat the system , and in fact to cheat the system, and in fact it was that man lee anderson, who was cross questioning reverend Matthew Firth next. Reports suggest Boris Johnson could be deployed to the red wall to campaign for the tories in the next general election. Well be hearing from voters in a tory stronghold and what they think about boriss potential return is that true, or is that a classic number 10 dead cat story . Nothing to see here apart from the fact lee anderson has just crossed the floor. And thats all up in your thats all coming up in your next. Thank you for joining next hour. Thank you for joining me on the show. Your pleasure as always , respected and always, respected and appreciated. Now please get in touch, email me gb views at gb news. Com hundreds of people have got in touch already today. Many of you absolutely outraged by what you feel is a blatant and unholy racket of people converting to christianity to avoid deportation, to get asylum. Weve got a great video of lee anderson at the Home Affairs Select Committee Cross examining reverend Matthew Firth getting right to the nub of the matter. You wont want to miss that. Get in touch. The usual way is gbviews gbnews. Com but before all of that, its time for your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Martin. Thank you. Its 4 02. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. First to some breaking newsroom. First to some breaking news. Nhs england has confirmed that children will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers at gender identity clinics. The government said it welcomed the landmark decision, which they say is in the best interests of children. Puberty blockers, which pause the physical changes of puberty, will now only be available to children as part of Clinical Research trials. Lee Clinical Research trials. Lee anderson has made his first appearance in the commons since defecting to reform uk. If defecting to reform uk. If youre watching on tv, you can see him taking his seat on the opposition benches next to returning mp George Galloway. Around 1000 people have joined reforms since his defection yesterday. Party leader richard tice says its proof of his popularity among red wall voters. Mr anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying the islamists had got control of the london mayor a spokesperson for the Prime Minister says comments made by a tory donor about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist. Say whether they were racist. Frank hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women, and she should be shot. He admitted should be shot. He admitted making rude comments but insists they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, described the comments as frightening and worrying and says she hopes for public support from sir keir starmer. Mr hester, who donated £10 million to the tories last year, says hes deeply sorry. Meanwhile, the conservative lord Kulveer Ranger said the comments were terrible. You cant say that about anyone else, let alone someone whos done so much for politics. First ever black woman elected to parliament. And i think we have to look closely at look, its very early in terms of whats happened here. He has apologised. Think we have to apologised. I think we have to look the context where he look at the context of where he said said it, what said this, why he said it, what was on. I dont want to was going on. I dont want to sort of make any excuses for it. Its the wrong thing to say. Its the wrong thing to say. Its a terrible say. Its a terrible thing to say. In other news, its understood that media understood that social Media Influencer andrew tate can be extradited back to the uk to face charges once his trial in romania ends. Face charges once his trial in romania ends. A court in romania ends. A court in bucharest approved his order this afternoon. A spokesperson this afternoon. A spokesperson for mr tate says he and his brother are committed to participating in the Legal Process. That was after lawyers representing four of tates accusers told British Police that he was planning to flee romania, where he and his brother tristan now live. Theyre accused of Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking allegations theyve both denied. Allegations theyve both denied. New gas power plants will be built to protect britains Energy Security, despite concerns over the potential impact on Climate Change, the government says the new stations are needed to avert what ministers described as genuine prospects of blackouts and provide a backup for the growing electric economy. Its understood theyll replace existing facilities, many of which are old and due to be retired. The Prime Minister insists the uks net zero plan is still on track, but says it must be met in a sustainable way. Labour supports the new plans, but Shadow Energy secretary ed miliband accused the government of failing on its energy policies, leading to skyrocketing bills. Police investigate a chain of Funeral Homes in hull have now recovered 35 bodies and a quantity of whats suspected to be human ashes. It comes as two people arrested in connection with that Ongoing Investigation , and Ongoing Investigation, and theyve just been released on bail. The 46 year old man and a 23 year old woman were being held on suspicion of a number of offences, including preventing a lawful and decent burial. Hundreds of families who used legacy independent Funeral Directors have contacted the police, fearing they may have been given the wrong ashes to the us now, where the prosecutor , who wrote a report that claimed President Biden was a poor memory, is appearing in front of a Congressional Committee today. If youre watching on tv, these are live pictures coming to us from washington, where former us special counsel robert hur is being grilled by lawmakers. He ignhed being grilled by lawmakers. He ignited fury among democrats last month when he described the president as a well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. Critics argued that hes not a medical professional and lacks the expertise to make such a diagnosis. The expertise to make such a diagnosis. In his opening remarks today, mr hurd defended his report, insisting it was accurate and fair. For the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. Com alerts. Now its back to. Martin. Thank you sofia, weve got so much to get our teeth stuck into this hour. Lets get started. This hour. Lets get started. Lets get back to the news that reform uks first ever mp. Of course, that man, lee anderson , course, that man, lee anderson, has now officially crossed the floor of the house of commons and joined other opposition mp sitting to next a certain George Galloway. You can see him there in the naughty corner, right at the back, stuck away where he cant cause any trouble. Or at least thats what they hope. And it follows the ashfield mps bombshell announcement yesterday that he was defecting from the conservative party, but could others follow him . Well, rumours are there. As many as nine and the Prime Minister has reportedly said hes prepared to call a snap election in order to force conservative mps flirting with the idea of crossing the floor to toe the line or face oblivion at the ballot box. Or is that simply smoke and mirrors . Well, im joined once again in the studio by gb news Political Editor christopher hope, as well as the splendid george eaton, senior politics editor at the new statesman. Thank you both for joining editor at the new statesman. Thank you both forjoining us, thank you both for joining us, gents. Lets start with you, chris. So only day one, and hes made a big impression already a thousand new members joined reform uk yesterday. Reform uk yesterday. According to the leader, richard tice paying at least £25 each, maybe £37 each. Now on average they add £12 for the nation. Thats £37,000 into the coffers of reform uk, a small party. So that thats almost the lee anderson effect. You could argue this guy and youll see theyre spotlighted in house of commons by our technicians at gb news because we dont get any help from the cameras in the house of commons. He sort of goes and sits there. Goes in and sits there. Its literally crossing literally called crossing the floor because in the old days youd cross the gallery, the gantry the labour to the gantry from the labour to the tory side. In this sense, he walked in and turned right and sat George Galloway, sat next to George Galloway, george very decent George Galloway was very decent and friendly towards him. Dont forget, lee hanson told us on this channel. The reason, one of the left the the reasons why he left the tories was so annoyed tories was he was so annoyed about galloways at tories was he was so annoyed abo at galloways at tories was he was so annoyed abo at the, galloways at tories was he was so annoyed abo at the, theialloways at tories was he was so annoyed abo at the, the rochdale at the at the, the rochdale by election. Instead, George Galloway wished him well and thats his new group of people. Hell sit there with the dup party, the snp, liberal democrats , the Workers Party of democrats, the Workers Party of great britain, which is George Galloway, as you say , a long way galloway, as you say, a long way away from the speaker of the house of commons, long way house of commons, a long way behind when youre behind other heads. When youre trying bob and get your trying to bob and get your question cant seen. Question in, you cant be seen. Youre a youre on your own. Its a lonely, voyage , if you lonely, lonely, voyage, if you like. Hes setting out on being an independent mp. I was with an independent mp. I was with him earlier having. He was having some some chicken and rice, i think. And i sat down with my bowl of soup and we had a about it. He seemed very a chat about it. He seemed very relaxed actually , and i relaxed indeed, actually, and i think the focus now think all the focus now in parliament might parliament is on who might go with him other many as with him any other as many as nine weve revealed on nine tory mps. Weve revealed on gb news could go with George Galloway, certainly. Theres galloway, certainly. Theres certainly, richard tice says. If you go long on the election to november, will cross the november, more will cross the floor be quite floor and thatll be quite dramatic course, dramatic because, of course, lee hanson independent mp, hanson was an independent mp, former across the former tory mp. But across the floor seen that floor we havent seen that happen, have we, for quite a while. I think a big while. So i think its a big moment. Think. And if he moment. I think. And, and if he can up support and for the can build up support and for the long see it long terme, lets see how it plays out. Okay. Id like bring you okay. Id like to bring you in eaton. So the in now. George eaton. So the opening yesterday at opening gambit yesterday at the press conference was i want my country a lot of country back. Now, a lot of people have said this is the rhetoric of the far right, and people have been very critical of Lee Andersons comments on this show. In fact, two fridays ago about sadiq khan saying it was islamophobic, do you think , was islamophobic, do you think, it was a good move for the tories to wash their hair of lee anderson . And could he pose an electoral threat, or will the labour be rubbing their labour party be rubbing their hands because hands together because youll split let keir split the vote and let sir keir starmer through . Think starmer through . I think only anderson whip, anderson with the tory whip, i dont think rishi sunak really had a choice but to remove it. There was strong i mean, there was strong pressure senior mps. Sajid pressure from senior mps. Sajid javid , played a key role in in javid, played a key role in in rishi sunaks decision. You might if we if we recycle a bit i think, i think its i think its the, the questionable decision was making Lee Anderson Deputy chairman, because he was always bound to implode at some point. Point. You know, he is he is a troublemaker, speaks his mind and rishi sunak was always likely to have to choose between his loyalty to lee anderson and his loyalty to lee anderson and his loyalty to his mps at some point, his his his move to reform is a headache for the conservatives. It gives them their first mp massively increases their profile. Weve heard from chris about the wave of donations. Im sure theyre attracting more members and the threat of possible defectors. Theyre now up to about 14 as high as that in the polls. The head of the lib dems, they aspire to overtake the conservatives by by the summer. Well remember, of course, the brexit party won the european elections. They will look create they will look to create similar for, for rishi sunak. And theres no easy way out for the for the Prime Minister. When the brexit party was gaining momentum, they , they gaining momentum, they, they called on Boris Johnson to replace in. Replace theresa may, in. Its surely too close to election to change rishi sunak. Election to change rishi sunak. Youre right to raise labour though. I think the big question for reform is theyre putting the tories under real pressure. Theyve attracted fifth theyve attracted about a fifth of voted conservative of people who voted conservative in 2019. Of people who voted conservative in zthats a of but thats a lot of voters. But can they also take votes from labour . Because thats what really gave ukip momentum once labour mps started worrying about losing it wasnt just and it wasnt just conservatives in trouble. Okay, chris lee anderson, does he carry any baggage . Do you think he can make make a bit of noise on the on the backbenches . Hard, backbenches . Its quite hard, isnt make as an isnt it, to make noises as an independent mp. Is. I think in some it is. I mean i think in some ways easier to do it ways its easier to do it through media, through through social media, through channels such as, such as this one. Lee anderson, certainly skilful at doing that, knows how to, knows to how make the headlines. I think really its a question of what can he bring policy wise to, to reform. At the theyve got their the moment theyve got their calls for net zero migration, theyre going hard on Climate Change, theyre going hard on tax cuts. But is there, is there another issue they can alight on . What gave ukip real momentum was that demand to end free movement, and that gave the cause brexit, real dynamism. Cause of brexit, real dynamism. So it could be echr withdrawal. He could you get behind a referendum almost. Martin echr withdrawal ahead martin on echr withdrawal ahead of the election. Yeah, that i think is an interesting point. But what i want put to you, you, want to put to you, to you, george, know, george, is, you know, lee anderson happen a anderson didnt happen in a vacuum. Anderson in vacuum. Lee anderson happened in a landscape where he a Political Landscape where he was a labour party member, a councillor. Campaigned for councillor. He campaigned for Gloria De Piero in ashfield in the previous election. He was dyed the labour then dyed in the wool labour and then the he felt and the labour party. He felt and a view echoed by millions of voters, including myself. The voters, including myself. The labour party completely abandoned brexiteers and many feel, have completely abandoned the working classes. And thats the working classes. And thats the void that lee, lee anderson occupied and went into. And many, many voters feel like that. So its actually the nub of the problem for the labour party is that youve got a working class problem. I think, i think, i think labour are quite comfortable at the moment that theyre more than 20 points ahead the polls. Ahead in the polls. At moment its not so at the moment its not its a problem for them, you its not a problem for them, you know, votes know, reform, taking votes from the in ways the conservatives in some ways its what might its splitting what you might see as the see as, as, as as the conservative vote. I think the problem for labour could come if they and they win power and disillusionment in. No, disillusionment sets in. No, i think start think reforms should start thinking how they position thinking about how they position themselves we themselves then, because what we know here, know about politics here, Politics Around the world, incumbents can quickly become unpopular. I think reforms unpopular. So i think reforms should play a long game here. I dont think should just see dont think they should just see their as bringing their work as, as as bringing their work as, as as bringing the down and the conservatives down and punishing them in the way. Richard tice this, i think they need thinking , do need to start thinking, how do we ourselves in we position ourselves in relation likely Labour Government . Well, egos be at play here. We nigel farage, we know nigel farage, a colleague at gb news, is also the honorary president of reform, richard tice ben habib. You know, these are people you know quite well from the brexit party, martin, are these people who well get on with lee who might well get on with lee anderson, or will they be bit anderson, or will they be a bit of attention of jostling for attention . That is often yes. I mean, that is often big out. Mean, we big egos fall out. I mean, we saw that in we saw that in ukip. And a really question. And its a really big question. I interesting is i think an interesting one is how position themselves how reform position themselves on economy. On the on the economy. Now, traditionally. Ukip parts of the right often associated with free market economics, but, you know, reform for some reform have called for some energy firms to be taken into pubuc energy firms to be taken into public there is this public ownership. There is this strain of what some call left conservatism or red ukip. It used be known as where you used to be known as where you combine a conservative combine sort of a conservative position immigration and position on immigration and brexit with quite an interventionist the interventionist position on the economy. Now, i think thats interventionist position on the economy. Now, i think thats a really key question them, really key question for them, because, know , the public on because, you know, the public on some these wing economic some of these left wing Economic Issues like public issues that they like public ownership, they want higher wealth they wealth taxes. But how do they how would reforms square positions say, positions like that with, say, those liz trust those who want your liz trust style tax cuts . Thats a really big i think. Big strategic dilemma. I think. And i wonder if actually the real will after real opportunity will come after the election, because real opportunity will come after the biscuit election, because real opportunity will come after the biscuit tinsction, because real opportunity will come after the biscuit tins emptercause real opportunity will come after the biscuit tins empty with se real opportunity will come after the biscuit tins empty with 2. 6 trillion in debt, a mere 960 billion. When your man liam byrne left the famous theres no money left note now theres really no money left. So. So how really no money left. So. So how are labour going to fund all of their policies and particularly how will labour tough or not how will labour get tough or not on like immigration, net on things like immigration, net zero . Then we might see a fresh void opening up that could be filled by a political movement, such as either a reborn conservative movement after the forest fire, or indeed reform. Forest fire, or indeed reform. I think i think the really big question for labour is how does the how does the economy do if growth if they get growth back, growth is closer to 2 is much stronger, closer to 2 than 1. Things become become easier , theres forecast to be easier, theres forecast to be high next year. The obr is saying 2. 5. I think next year the year after obr is often too, too optimistic though. So at and do you do you get another foreign crisis. But but and then i think the question for the conservatives as they look towards a likely leadership election, whos the candidate who can unite the right if some some some float priti patel perhaps , who we obviously saw perhaps, who we obviously saw dancing with nigel farage the dancing with nigel farage at the conservative conference last, literally, to literally, thats going to be, i think, of the defining think, one of the defining questions that who questions of that contest, who can this fractured can bring this, this fractured family. Family together. Well, thats looking ahead. But lets on today because but lets keep on today because early lee anderson was in early today, lee anderson was in the Affairs Select the Home Affairs Select committee they committee where they were reviewing, conversion reviewing, of course, conversion to claims. To christianity, asylum claims. Why take a look at one why dont we take a look at one of mr andersons exchanges. Of mr andersons exchanges. Did you want to come back . Did you want to come back . Sorry. Sorry. Just. Beaver just just just to just say, reverend, i think the brave coming to the incredibly brave coming to this , much braver than this committee, much braver than the archbishop of canterbury, this committee, much braver than the way bishop of canterbury, this committee, much braver than the way , ishop of canterbury, this committee, much braver than the way , whor of canterbury, this committee, much braver than the way , who hascanterbury, this committee, much braver than the way , who has not erbury, this committee, much braver than the way , who has not comer, this committee, much braver than the way , who has not come today. The way, who has not come today. So ill just go back to my last point. Just question. Point. Just my final question. Do archbishop , if do you think the archbishop, if youre brave enough to say it has turned a blind eye to this , has turned a blind eye to this, i think there is a lack of awareness. I think theres a lack of awareness about, the particular dynamics ive been describing and an unwillingness at the moment to be, you know, totally honest about those , totally honest about those, dynamics that were seeing in this area. And thats partly why i kind of started to engage in the public on this, the public discussion on this, because i wanted there to be a you know, a good balance to the discussion. And i wanted to inject some truth into it. But there is some good news to this, because the archbishop of know of canterbury delighted to know that convert that if more people do convert to christianity , then especially to christianity, then especially if there are Asylum Seekers or illegal then we now illegal migrants, then we now know that rwanda is a christian country. 96, i think, christian country. 96, i think, christian country. Be a safe country. So that would be a safe place to go. Well, i mean, you know, i, i was i was a parish priest in darlington, so i wouldnt know too much about rwanda. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now there are two other clips from that, and lee anderson asked two questions. He said, how many people convert into christianity are on appeal and matthew first said all of them. And then he said, how many are converting to christianity whove already been granted asylum . And he said, none. So lee anderson nailed the problem there. There. And chris, well, it suggests, doesnt it, that people are converting to stay only when theyre on that final appeal. Last roll of the dice and it seems the system is being gamed. Is this what lee anderson now will effectively do . Will be effectively able to do . Hes unshackled from tory, whips, from being told to what do. Hes a lone wolf. Hes got a big mouth and hes not afraid to use it. Literally been kicked out of the carlton club today , so he the carlton club today, so he was be a card club member. Was to be a card club member. Youve be a member of the youve got to be a member of the tory hes now lost that tory party. Hes now lost that membership. Hes on own. Membership. Hes on his own. Hes to do hes trying to find what to do next. What needs to do, i next. What he needs to do, i think, is to decent social think, is to get a decent social media the media team around him. The way he brand for he builds a brand for lee anderson is by clipping the exchange. Said there and exchange. You said there and putting out on twitter with denature reform, you uk this way. Thats how you thats how nigel farage. And he will tell you where are you. Here. How on the social media on youtube. Thats how you start to make an impact an independent. Impact as an independent. But i think certainly a think certainly hell be a problem for the tories. Hell be seen of john, the seen as this kind of john, the baptist in the baptist figure in the wilderness. Making wilderness. This guy is making these cant our these points. Why cant our government it . But government do it . But tory members be and members will be saying, and indeed farage said to indeed nigel farage said said to me, that youve me, you know that that youve got personality of a damp got the personality of a damp dish rag. You . Those youtube who are you . Those youtube moments that were clipped and weaponized there, weaponized and put out there, they define he and they came to define what he and ukip the brexit party then ukip and the brexit party then became george , do you think became bert george, do you think with that kind of freedom its only time before lee only a matter of time before lee anderson puts his foot in it . Well, suppose i suppose well, i suppose i suppose its how we define putting his foot if it foot in it, because if it resonates with the with the people, youre targeting it almost. Andersons someone, almost. Lee andersons someone, i doesnt just isnt almost. Lee andersons someone, i relaxed doesnt just isnt almost. Lee andersons someone, i relaxed about t just isnt almost. Lee andersons someone, i relaxed about offending, just relaxed about offending, but sort of takes pleasure in it. I mean, and that that it. I mean, and that and that that goes across the spectrum. Its nigel farage, its George Galloway so think that galloway. So i think thats that thats i suppose, thats his brand, i suppose, where will try and catch where people will try and catch him out is on, is on. Maybe more technical policy questions, but, the advantage he has his reforms only mp thats going to give him a lot of attention. And hes been chairman of the been a deputy chairman of the conservative hes conservative party. So hes presumably to quite presumably got access to quite a lot and tory lot of intelligence and tory strategy and how they think, you know, he can use that. Know, and how he can use that. I think thats what id be worried about i was in the about if i was in the conservative party is whats he going be to reform going to be able to feed reform about our game plan . Because its not long he was its not long since he was a deputy chairman. You know, hes deputy chairman. You know, hes hes just someone was hes not just someone who was hed backbencher , but hed become a backbencher, but hes been in hed been at the heart of so and were not heart of cchq. So and were not far from a general election. So thats what id worried thats what id be worried about. Eaton, hope, about. George eaton, chris hope, excellent top of Excellent Exchange at the top of the hour. The four hour. Thank you much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Great got the blood great stuff. Ive got the blood flowing could win the flowing now. You could win the spnng flowing now. You could win the spring our latest spring essentials and our latest great giveaway. Theres Great British giveaway. Theres a gadget package, a a god and gadget package, a shopping and £12,345 tax shopping spree and £12,345 tax free in cash. And heres all the details to enter. We have a ton of top prizes to be won in our spnng of top prizes to be won in our spring giveaway. 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Com forward slash win please check the closing time if watching or listening on demand. Good luck. Great. So if you are watching or listening to gb news coming up after the discovery that the clapham chemical attacker abdul ezedi had converted to christianity miraculously to stay in the uk, mps are examining a claim that theres now a Conveyor Belt of conversions for Asylum Seekers. Im Martin Daubney on gb news. Britains news channel welcome back. Its 426. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news now, mps and members of the clergy today have denied allegations of allowing Conveyor Belt conversions to help people belt conversions to help people be granted asylum. The asylum system and the churchs role within it came under huge scrutiny last month after it was revealed that clapham chemical attacker abdul ezedi was granted asylum after converting to christianity , despite two christianity, despite two previous failed attempts , and previous failed attempts, and the issue was discussed at a Parliamentary Committee meeting today. And we can now be joined by gb news home and security editor mark white. Mark, welcome to the show. An unholy row broke out about christian conversion , out about christian conversion, and today reverend Matthew Firth was cross examined. What can you tell us . Well, there had been, of course , claims and concern for course, claims and concern for some time that the asylum system was being gamed by those who wanted to try to enhance their ability to have a successful asylum application by converting to christianity. And now, of to christianity. And now, of course, one of the priests, former priest from darlington, saint Cuthberts Church there, reverend Matthew Firth, who was there between 2018 and 2020, has told us straight this is what he witnessed, that regularly as soon after he arrived there to take up his role, he was being presented with 6 to 7 Asylum Seekers every few weeks that were being brought to the church , and they were being, they were asking him to convert them to christianity. And of course, he smelled a riot. He was, you know, concerned about what was going on and decided to take action to try to halt the number of baptisms that were taking place. This is what he told the committee. I honoured the baptisms that were or the baptism requests that were already in the system, but then you spot a pattern and then you think, hang on, theres something going on here. And then you, you try to press a pause button, which is to make sure that people are requested to come to church and start getting involved and attending church regularly, events and so on. And church regularly, events and so on. And at. And that was the thing that kind of made the numbers fall off a cliff in a sense, because those people kind of melted away, really. Well, some other senior figures within the Christian Faith in the uk were also giving evidence to the Home Affairs Committee, and the bishop of chelmsford told committee chelmsford told the committee that she didnt recognise claims of a Conveyor Belt of conversions from islam to the Christian Faith amongst Asylum Seekers. She said that as far Christian Faith amongst Asylum Seekers. She said that as far as she was concerned, she thought that actually a hostile environment for Asylum Seekers might be behind any increase in the number of Asylum Seekers who might seek to convert to christianity. This is what she told the committee. Told the committee. You know, our churches respond to local need, however it presents itself. Thats a totally separate issue to saying that we are kind of quickly and easily and freely baptising large numbers in order to scam the asylum process. And i think the asylum process. And i think that the notion that the church of england is currently being a Conveyor Belt for baptism , in Conveyor Belt for baptism, in order for people to gain their asylum status, i dont recognise that comment. That comment. Well, we also heard from the immigration minister, Tom Pursglove, who said that as far as he was concerned, he didnt recognise claims that were made recently by Suella Braverman , recently by Suella Braverman, the former home secretary, until very recently , saying that there very recently, saying that there was a very significant problem with with, Asylum Seekers who were gaming the system and converting to islam. And in fact, we found out not that long ago, didnt we, that, as many as 43 Asylum Seekers on the bibby stockholm barge in portland, portland may well be in the process of trying to convert to christianity. But Tom Pursglove, christianity. But Tom Pursglove, bizarrely said that the Home Office Just didnt have any data on how many people, how many of their applicants who are trying to gain asylum have actually de converted to christianity. Converted to christianity. We are actively working to improve the data set that we have around this issue. So one of the challenges is that the legacy it systems that we have been working on do not capture data in this area very effectively. The home secretary effectively. The home secretary and i have been very clear in asking officials that we want to see greater itemised data in that area, and we are currently working through the publication around that. And i think that youre absolutely right to touch on the data point. I think all of us want to see an improvement in terms of the quality of data that have around decision that we have around Decision Making asylum space. Making in the asylum space. So while, of course we have an issue with perhaps legacy asylum claims because of the it systems, we dont know exactly how many of those converted to christianity. There are still 130,000 people with their asylum claims pending. So you would think that it wouldnt be too difficult for the home office to try to get a handle, actually, on how many of those were previously is muslims and are now christian. Okay. Thank you, mark wyatt. An excellent summary of this unholy mess. An excellent summary of this unholy mess. If you want to an excellent summary of this unholy mess. If you want to see unholy mess. If you want to see more from reverend Matthew Firth, an exclusive firth, theres an exclusive interview with Patrick Christys tonight. The studio tonight. He was in the studio earlier. Now theres lots more still come between now and still to come between now and 4 00. And there are reports that bofis 4 00. And there are reports that boris could be used to Boris Johnson could be used to help the tories in red wall seats. But would that boost tory seats. But would that boost tory support in the next general election , or is boriss time election, or is boriss time over . Well, well hear what some voters in bassetlaw think. But first, its time for your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Wenzler. Thanks, martin. Its 432. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. Your headlines, lee anderson has made his first appearance in the commons since defecting to reform uk. He took his seat on the opposition benches next to returning mp George Galloway. Around 1000 people have joined reform since his defection yesterday. Party leader richard tice says its proof of his popularity among red wall voters. 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Now, hundreds of prisoners are set to be released early. As the government seeks early. As the government seeks to free up spaces in britains overcrowded prisons. The new Early Release scheme will see some criminals freed 35 days early, but this could be increased to 60 days if the new measures fail to empty enough cells. Well, justice secretary alex chalk also announced new measures to slash the number of foreign prisoners by refusing tourist visa applications from countries that fail to take back their criminals earmarked for deportation, and allowing foreign shoplifters, thieves and drug dealers to be deported rather than prosecuted. Well, rather than prosecuted. Well, lets get the thoughts now of former prison governor and author vanessa frake. Vanessa, welcome to the show. Always an absolute pleasure to have you on. This will come as no surprise to you. Britains jails are overcrowded. Theyre packed are overcrowded. Theyre packed to bursting point and rather than building new prisons, theyre simply saying let prisons out early. What could possibly go wrong . Possibly go wrong . Well, theres the 64,000 question, isnt it . Martin, good afternoon to you. Look, this this isnt a new thing. Jack straw did exactly the same thing in two thousand and seven, and that went on for, i think it was about three years, but but then we were only locking up around 44,000 prisoners. Today, were nearly at maximum of about 88, just over 88,200 and a few, our maximum is around 89,000. And thatis maximum is around 89,000. And that is you know, several reasons. One is prison sentences have been increased, there is , have been increased, there is, of course, the barristers strike last year for six months, which caused a backlog of , of court caused a backlog of, of court cases, and of course , what what cases, and of course, what what else has happened is, is that more Police Officers have happened , so more criminals have happened, so more criminals have been actually caught. So i dont think really the government has got itself into this position. Got itself into this position. And unfortunately, the government is trying to get itself out because it hasnt invested in our prison estate. Whats happened is, is weve got prisons that are arent fit for purpose. Some are over 200 years old. Theyre theyre very poor. Old. Theyre theyre very poor. Theyve not got any infrastructure. But this, this government as as all Political Parties want to be the party of law and order. They want to lock people up , law and order. They want to lock people up, and instead of focusing on reducing offending and reducing reoffending, its just purely lets lock people up. And just purely lets lock people up. And unfortunately , they up. And unfortunately, they havent built the prison places to, to cope with this. And vanessa, new prisons arent cheap, as you well know, theres one in scotland. The latest one £140 million and rising on the cost of that. Thats a lot of wonga. But its only ten days worth of what the spending on asylum hotels. So surely, vanessa, where theres a will, there should be a way. If we need more jails, lets lets get digging. Lets get building. Well, weve got 88,000 prisoners. Lets get them building prisoners built wormwood scrubs. Martin, you know, you know, lets lets use the available labour that weve got, i do believe that prisoners help to build belmarsh as well, you know, so its not a question. The question , the question. The question, the question. The question, the question is investment. This government has failed continuously since osborne and cameron wanted more for less. And year on year , the prison and year on year, the Prison Service has been stripped of funding and now we are where we are. And, you know, now were trying to back pedal and a lot of course, your viewers will be fuming that prisoners are being let out early. You know, its said that, they will be, you know, up to governors that it will be low level crime , and of will be low level crime, and of course, theyll be monitored, possibly tagged. Well, lets possibly tagged. Well, lets hope that thats the case, you know, alex chalk wants to, free up space is by getting rid of Foreign National prisoners. When i was at wormwood scrubs in, i left in 2013, our Foreign National population was around 60 to 70. So weve always had this issue with Foreign National prisoners. You know, some are on detention or deportation orders for up to two years. It is nothing new, but nothings been done about it. And the only people that have made money out of it are solicitors who are trying people in trying to keep these people in the country. The country. Vanessa, i almost interrupted you a huge cheer when you there with a huge cheer when you there with a huge cheer when you said, lets get prisoners build in jails. What what a blooming superb idea that is. Blooming superb idea that is. And the fact is, its been done before. Majestic. Finally the idea of this government suddenly growing a pair of teeth and saying, right, were going to were going to start deporting foreign criminals. You have any faith in that, vanessa . They cant even terrorists. Cant even deport terrorists. I dont think vanessa can hear us. Can you hear us, vanessa . My question was, do you have any faith in the government being able to deport foreign shoplifters when they cant even seem to be to deport seem to be able to deport Foreign Terrorists . I think weve lost a im afraid were going to have to leave it there. What a shame. She was channelling, mainlining common sense. What a great idea getting people inside jails to build new ones. Although people probably complain, giving them spades and picks and shovels. What could picks and shovels. What could possibly go wrong . Theyd be tunnelling their way out before breakfast. But still, what a great idea that is. Do you have any in the government to any faith in the government to deliver it just deliver on this, or is it just yet more tough talking ahead of a general election . Well, youre a general election . Well, youre watching or listening to gb news coming up. Well Boris Johnson make a spectacular comeback because reports on the front page of todays times suggest that the former Prime Minister could campaign for tories in red wall seats before that general election. Will it be enough to save the day . Im Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel earlier on breakfast. Plenty of unease on conservative benches as lee anderson takes his place as reform uks first mp. From labour to the conservatives. Now hes with reform , he recognised that hed reform, he recognised that hed said the wrong thing, but he couldnt quite bring himself to say sorry. The main thing is were just glad youre okay. Yeah well, thats been the overarching feeling. Think everybody just i think that everybody just wants wishes. Wants to send their wishes. Changed for cosmetic she changed it for cosmetic reasons. Feel , she changed it for cosmetic reasons. Feel, and i dont reasons. I feel, and i dont think we should be her. Think we should be bullying her. Margot robbies head just put Margot Robbies head on your body, and that be on your body, and that would be it. Id get Margot Robbies no, id get Margot Robbies body as well, please. Every morning. Its breakfast from you join. Us. Welcome back. Its 449. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. Now, bofis Martin Daubney on gb news. Now, Boris Johnson is reportedly expected to campaign for the conservatives in red wall seats before the next general election, with suggestions that the former Prime Minister is likely to be deployed in the north of england and the midlands across the red wall, as the tories seek to win back the voters who helped Boris Johnson to that historic 80 seat to gain that historic 80 seat thumping majority in 2019. Well, why dont we hear from the people in bassetlaw constituency, which handed Brendan Clarke smith smith a stonking 14,000 majority in that 2019 election . I dont think so. No, no , not i dont think so. No, no, not much else to say, really. I mean , i actually used to i mean, i actually used to like Boris Johnson, but he let me down with covid and so therefore i wont be voting conservative anymore. I did do, but not anymore. I did do, but not anymore. Not for me and anybody else here. Because from, from, from day one hes been a liar all along. Dont vote for him. Stick along. Dont vote for him. Stick with labour. Are you a labour man . Im a labour man. I always have been, yes. When lots of people turned to the why did you the conservatives why did you choose labour . Choose to stay labour . Because im labour through and through. Most people turn to conservatives because of brexit and brexit failed. And brexit has failed. I like borisjohnson, to be i like Boris Johnson, to be honest with you, and i think it could do with a boost for conservatives. Ive always been a voter , but, no, i went a labour voter, but, no, i went to conservative and saved me, said, i think, especially Brendan Clarke has done more for worksop and the surrounding area than a lot have done. Not than a lot have done. Not everythings perfect, but, you know, theyve theyve come a long way. And i think it achieved a lot to be honest. Personally not for me. No, no, hes not done anything to make any arrangements to make this town better. Its still you can see how dismal it is. No, because of, when he was in charge of the conservative party. Ill leave thought about was, is the upper class not the working class . Because it would telling everybody to stay at home during covid. And what did he do . And what did he do . And what did he do . He had a house. Party. He had a house. Party. He had a house. Party. You know, its a fascinating seat. Bassetlaw. Its going to be a barometer or a bellwether of the next general election because it was always forever and a day. A labour seat until 2019, when Brendan Clarke smith got 55 of the vote , 67. 8 in got 55 of the vote, 67. 8 in that constituency vote for brexit. So what we saw were huge amounts of historic labour voters going to Boris Johnson, going to the tories to get brexit done. Will they stick brexit done. Will they stick with the conservatives even if bofis with the conservatives even if Boris Johnson goes back . Boris has been to that constituency a number of times. In fact, in early 2022, a former to he visited Bassetlaw Hospital and pledged £17. 6 million to the constituency. Hes well liked constituency. Hes well liked around there. So is brandon, but will that be enough . Or simply, is the tide turning too much . That remains to be seen. Now then. That remains to be seen. Now then. Been asking you throughout then. Been asking you throughout then. Been asking you throughout the show for your emails. Then. Been asking you throughout the show for your emails. Youve the show for your emails. Youve been getting in touch in your droves. Two things have really rattled your cage today. The first them Asylum Seekers first of them is Asylum Seekers converting to christianity. That Home Affairs Select committee today, the reverend Matthew Firth, was cross examined. He firth, was cross examined. He was a whistleblower who said he witnessed what he called a Conveyor Belt of Asylum Seekers. Mythically magically converting to christianity to avoid deportation. This is what you have been saying about that , have been saying about that, judnh have been saying about that, judith says. This conversion to christianity shouldnt come into the equation to gain asylum into britain. People can convert to christianity if they are accepted here. When and if they fulfil the important criteria of asylum. Peter adds this how is it even relevant what religion somebody is surely making a decision based on . Religion would be illegal. Shouldnt the government just make it widely known that your religion will not influence an application and end once and for end this nonsense once and for all . And on the point here, billy adds this the Asylum Seekers are being baptised , but seekers are being baptised, but it should not allow them to stay here in the uk. They only go through the ritual, but really they keep their original faith. We all know its a scam, its just a trick to allow them to stay. Barry adds this just a trick to allow them to stay. Barry adds this i just a trick to allow them to stay. Barry adds this i dont stay. Barry adds this i dont believe that these alleged Asylum Seekers are actual converts at all. Their conversion is yet another excuse to flood britain with people who will only sponge off the taxpayer, and the benefits system. Not much christian spirit there, sandra adds this they are all converting on an industrial scale while we wonder if its genuine, this country is a joke and quickly on. Lee anderson missed that. David says this. Mr anderson has tried many times, like others, to warn the tories the party is not sticking to either its manifesto or its core principles. Personally, i dont think the man had any choice, but well have much more on that story after the break youre watching. Or listen to gb news coming up, all of the latest reaction to lee Anderson Crossing the floor, the to the commons to join Opposition Mps. But first, its time for your latest Weather Forecast with mr alex berger. Alex berger. A brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Heres your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. More rains to come as we go through the next few days, especially the northwest. Especially in the northwest. But it going mild, albeit it is going to be mild, albeit also because we have an also windy because we have an area of low pressure developing currently wards. The currently to the wards. The northwest of the uk that is then dragging in our air from the southwest , which mild southwest, which is a mild direction, dragging direction, but it is dragging some pretty cloudy air into, which is why its a cloudy picture and staying cloudy as we go evening and go through the evening and overnight. 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Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. A very good afternoon to you. Its 5 pm. And welcome to the martin dalby show on gb news. Broadcasting live from the heart of westminster, all across the uk. Today. Reform uks first ever mp has now crossed the floor of the house of commons, taking up his seat with Opposition Mps. As you can see, there , lee anderson sat at the there, lee anderson sat at the back in the naughty corner with the certain mr George Galloway. Just significant could this just how significant could this be, and will other tory mps follow him onto those opposition benches next . Mps have been examining the role of conversion to christianity in granting uk asylum claims following the clapham attack of abdul ezedi, with the perpetrator having been allowed to stay in the uk after allegedly and miraculously accepting christ into his life. Just how much of a mockery has being made out of our asylum system and criminals will be released up to two months early, in a desperate bid to free up spaces in our crammed nics or our packed prisons , putting the our packed prisons, putting the pubuc our packed prisons, putting the public at risk. All of that coming up. Plus, of course, lily coming up. Plus, of course, lily allen say she chose motherhood over pop stardom. But does having children always mean your career will be disrupted . Thats all coming up in your next action packed hour. Welcome to action packed hour. Welcome to the show. Always a pleasure. The show. Always a pleasure. Now, in a moment, ill be speaking to dame andrea jenkyns. The big story, of course, this hour will Boris Johnson be deployed to the red wall seats to try and save the tories bacon . Well, thats the front page of the times claiming that today is this. Howeverjust a today is this. However just a classic dead cat story thrown out there to, like, stop people talking about Lee Andersons defection. And actually, as were about to hear from dame andrea herself, is this utter codswallop is rishi sunak actually talking to Boris Johnson at all . I want to hear from you. Get in touch gb views at gb news. Com can boris save the day or is it simply too late for all of that . But first time for all of that . But first time for your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Martin. Thank you. Its 5 02. Your top story this hour. Lee anderson has made his first appearance in the commons since defecting to reform uk. If youre watching on tv, you can see him taking his seat on the opposition benches to next returning mp George Galloway. Around 1000 people have joined reform since his defection yesterday. Party leader richard yesterday. Party leader richard tice says its proof of his popularity among red wall voters. Mr anderson was stripped of the conservative whip last month over his refusal to apologise for saying that islamists had got control of the london mayor a spokesperson for the Prime Minister says comments made by a tory donor about diane abbott were clearly unacceptable, but declined to say whether they were racist at frank. Hester reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women and she should be shot. He admitted she should be shot. He admitted making rude comments but insisted they had nothing to do with the colour of her skin. Miss abbott, whos now an independent mp, described the comments as frightening and worrying and says she hopes for pubuc worrying and says she hopes for public from keir public support from sir keir starmer. Mr hester, who donated £10 million to the tories last yean £10 million to the tories last year, says hes deeply sorry. Meanwhile, the conservative lord colville ranger said the comments were terrible. You cant say that. But anyone else, let alone someone whos done so much for politics. The first ever black woman elected to parliament, and i think we have to look closely at look, its very early in terms of whats happened here. He has apologised. I think have apologised. I think we have to look at context where he look at the context of where he said he said it, what said this, why he said it, what was going dont want to was going on. I dont want to sort any excuses for it. Sort of make any excuses for it. Its the wrong thing say. Its the wrong thing to say. Its the wrong thing to say. Its a thing to say. Its a terrible thing to say. In other news, nhs england has confirmed that children will no longer be prescribed puberty blockers identity blockers at gender identity clinics. The government said it welcomed landmark decision, welcomed the landmark decision, which they say is in the best interests of children. Puberty interests of children. Puberty blockers, which pause the physical changes puberty , physical changes of puberty, will now only be available to children as part of Clinical Research trials. Now its understood that social Media Influencer andrew tate can be extradited back to the uk to face charges once his trial in romania ends. A court in bucharest approved the order this afternoon. A spokesperson this afternoon. A spokesperson for mr tate says he and his brother are committed to participating in the Legal Process that was after lawyers representing four of tates accusers told British Police that he was planning to flee romania, where he and his brother tristan now live. Theyre accused of Sexual Offences and Human Trafficking, allegations they both denied. Allegations they both denied. Police investigating a chain of Funeral Homes in hull have now discovered 35 bodies and a quantity of whats suspected to be human ashes. It comes as two people are arrested in connection with their Ongoing Investigation , and theyve now investigation, and theyve now been released on bail. The 46 year old man and the 23 year old woman were being held on suspicion of a number of offences, including preventing a lawful and decent burial. Lawful and decent burial. Hundreds of families who used legacy independent Funeral Directors have contacted the police, fearing they may have been given the wrong ashes. Speaking at press conference earlier, assistant chief constable Tom Mclaughlin took the opportunity to speak directly to the families involved. Involved. My heart goes out to you all and i can only imagine how distressing this is and how upsetting it will be for you and your families. I know that you your families. I know that you will want and need much more information than i can give you today, but as we progress through the investigation, i want to reassure you that we will provide you updates as soon as we can. And i also want to give you a personal commitment that i will do Everything Possible to give you that deserve you the answers that you deserve to the us. Now, where the prosecutor who wrote a report that claimed President Biden has a poor memory is appearing front of memory is appearing in front of a committee. If a Congressional Committee. If youre watching on tv, these are live pictures coming to us from washington, where former us special counsel robert hur is being questioned. He ignited fury among democrats last month when he described the president as a well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. He was grilled by california democrat adam schiff moments ago , who adam schiff moments ago, who suggested that mr hurd deliberately used language in his report that he knew would be useful in a political campaign. Mr insists the report was accurate and fair , and for the accurate and fair, and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. Com slash alerts. Now its back to. Martin. To. Martin. Thank you sofia. Now lets get back to the news that reform uks first ever mp, lee anderson , has now officially crossed the floor of the house of commons and joined other opposition mp sitting next to George Galloway. Sitting next to George Galloway. As we can see there. There he is. Look as we can see there. There he is. Look circled on the naughty step right in the back corner with George Galloway. And it with George Galloway. And it follows the ashfield mps bombshell announcement yesterday morning that he was defecting from the conservative party but could others follow . Well, the Prime Minister has reportedly said hes prepared to call a snap election in order to force conservative mps flirting with the idea of crossing the floor to toe the line or face oblivion at the ballot box. Dont know about you, but i smell a rat in that story, and im joined once again in the studio by gb news Political Editor chris hope. Chris lee anderson, hes been hes been ruffling feathers on day one. He was very, very effective early on at the Home Affairs Select committee. But this notion of boris become back wheeling him out to save the day. Weve got dame Andrew Jenkins coming on shortly. Does this idea have any merit, do you think . Well, the briefing in the Times Newspaper today, page one, said that the relationship is in a fairly good place between bofis a fairly good place between Boris Johnson and rishi sunak. Thats a statement from a senior government source. Weve ive government source. Weve ive heard personally from an mp friend of Boris Johnson. The friend of Boris Johnson. The pair havent spoken for a year. So whos right . At one point the timing looks looks interesting. If youre 10 downing street on the very day that , lee anderson, the very day that, lee anderson, the very day that, lee anderson, the red wall made flesh to quit, the red wall made flesh to quit, the bbc joined the reform party. The former deputy chair of the tory party. Youve got these remarks, you know , they push out remarks, you know, they push out a line saying, dont worry, red wall, Boris Johnson wall, here comes Boris Johnson to sir davey. But will Boris Johnson do fell johnson want to do it . Hes fell outwith, rishi sunak back in october 2022, when he couldnt agree a deal to follow on from liz and that difficult liz truss and that difficult short period prime short period of her as Prime Minister. So who knows where it takes. But today been takes. But today ive been willie lunchtime Willie Anderson over lunchtime he some and chicken. He had some rice and chicken. I had some soup, with him. I bought my own soup. He bought his own lunch on his own. I thought, lets sit with him. Look a bit lonely, hes raised a thousand people. Join reform uk yesterday. Thats at least £25,000 in a back pocket of richard tice party. So hes already earning. Earning his his his rice and chicken , hes the his rice and chicken, hes the almost. The lee anderson effect is being seen take part here you know. And if this carries on if as he goes through the red wall starts talking to former tory members, tory supporters join reform uk, hell become a real headache. Reform uk, hell become a real headache. And our colleague headache. And our colleague nigel farage, no longer involved in politics. Now hes honorary president of the reform hes saying very clearly is lee anderson ready for fame . Thats whats coming. Anderson ready for fame . Thats thokay,ming. Anderson ready for fame . Thats thokay, well. Anderson ready for fame . Thats thokay, well lets straight okay, well lets go straight now to dame Andrew Jenkins, the conservative. And conservative mp for morley. And outward outward. Welcome to the show. Andrea. So thank you show. Dame andrea. So thank you very much for coming on. I want to ask you about this notion that Boris Johnson is going to be wheeled out by the conservative party on horseback, no doubt, and maybe even with armour and a standard to save the day. You were very outspoken and critical on social media last night. And critical on social media last night. Dame andrea, no coincidence this has been briefed out on the same day. Lee anderson, defects number 10 will be desperate to get boris involved to stop more defections and letters. But rishi, has rishi even bothered to speak to boris . No, he hasnt. Rishi even bothered to speak to boris . No, he hasnt. So, dame boris . No, he hasnt. So, dame andrea, could i ask you, when do you think the last time Boris Johnson and rishi sunak even spoke was. Spoke was. I mean, look, ive. Boris and carrie are friends and, you know, i see them from time to time. Time to time. I actually know that they havent been in touch. Boris and havent been in touch. Boris and rishi havent spoken for well over a year. So this is just codswallop. And as christopher just said, the timing of it is so blatant. Its a lot more so blatant. Its a lot more people putting letters in to oust the Prime Minister and to stop more people defecting. This is what this is about. And its always a spokesperson in number 10, isnt it . Its, never you never see a face behind this . Yeah. Dame andrew as chris here in the studio, there was a government source rather than a spokesman maintaining their good relationship. Can i ask you, when you last spoke to Boris Johnson , i spoke to him very johnson, i spoke to him very recently, and ive been messaging as well. And is he is he is he upbeat about the. And is he upbeat about the. And is he upbeat about the. And is he upbeat about the partys prospects under rishi sunak , look, im not under rishi sunak, look, im not going to, sort of divulge personal conversations between bofis personal conversations between boris , carrie and i, but i mean, boris, carrie and i, but i mean, i think any conservative at the moment, were frustrated. Were fed up just as a country and conservative voters are, because its i think were decidedly in conservative at the moment. Conservative at the moment. Chris and i still think what they, the one nation not in our party did to boris. I think theyre now seeing the results of this. People are fed up. Of this. People are fed up. Theres a feeling dame andrea , that boris was stabbed in the back, was exiled from the party. And feelings of history repeating itself in that sense, very different personality. But with lee anderson, miriam cates suggesting today the tories must do much searching of our souls over the reason why lee anderson left, he was forced out for his comments and it feels to a lot of people. Dame andrea, the conservative party is now becoming decidedly unconservative not much between them and the liberal democrats in many senses. I mean, look, theres always differences between ourselves and labour, ive said publicly before some of, you know, my fellow mps belong in the liberal democrats, but but no, i mean, itd be far worse under labour and etc. But we do need more common sense policies, you know, as weve spoken on this show before, people are sick of whats going on on the streets. Whats going on on the streets. And weve got to on our promises. Weve got to take control of immigration. Weve cant have a two tier policing system. And as weve seen with the lee anderson comment, you know, people are actually afraid to express their opinions. Yes. It was very clunky. The words that lee used, and i wouldnt necessarily have used those , but necessarily have used those, but but you could see he was actually trying to demonstrate there tier policing there was a two tier policing system. That system. And i still think that the only way our party can be saved is getting a new leader. As ive been saying since november, last chance saloon , november, last chance saloon, and we turn to our common sense roots and lets start channelling thatcher and churchill. You know, you know, churchill. You know, you know, the great forefathers of our party. Andrew, you put a letter in of no confidence in the pm, rishi sunak. Do you want to fight the next election under him or would you join reform uk , him or would you join reform uk, i mean, look , we are where we i mean, look, we are where we are. If, i wont be pushed out by the liberals in the party, chris, i, as weve seen in recent years, Party Leaders come and go, but ultimately im a conservative and im fighting for our party as well as our country , and will i go to country, and will i go to another party . No, you know, i got offered , this time, i got got offered, this time, i got offered previously with other parties during the brexit years, no, i want to fight. Im a fighter, chris. And where were heanng fighter, chris. And where were hearing hearing theres , like, hearing hearing theres, like, potentially ten people who might cross the floor. I do question how advanced are these conversations . Because, speaking conversations . Because, speaking to colleagues , as i have done to colleagues, as i have done today, who were whose names have been bandied around, they aint going anywhere , chris. And im going anywhere, chris. And im having people say to me who, they think that, it was a wrong decision for lee to go. I mean, thats his decision. I like lee is a friend, and i wish him all the best. And i think hes a great asset, reform. Its great asset, to reform. And its definitely lose him. Definitely a shame to lose him. And i think that he should have retained the whip personally , retained the whip personally, but we are where we are. But we are where we are. Do you think the opening salvo of lee Anderson Crossing to reform will resonate with many people . I want my country back , he said. And many, many back, he said. And many, many people in their hundreds and thousands have been getting in touch with us here, dame andrew said. Thats precisely what they said. Thats precisely what they would the would like to hear from the conservative party well, ive been saying that for months, chris, and look , for months, chris, and look, look what i was saying in my letter. Even, asking the Prime Minister to resign. Ive been saying this for a long time, and, and i think thats generally what most people feel, i mean, i love our country, but im not necessarily proud of our country at the moment. And thats the hard thing to say. As someone whos patriot like, you know, just know, like we are, and we just need to return to common sense conservatism and, get the show back on the road. I think, unfortunately, with a change of leaders, i mean, one thing about boris, ignited passion. Yes. Maybe like marmite was some, but. But he loves our country, and he , is great on the campaign and he, is great on the campaign trail. But, you know, people wanted to sit and listen to him. And we need a leader like that, dont we . Okay, well, if rishi sunak were here, of course, andrew, he would say he has those qualities too. We havent yet seen them. I mean, dont you think that we maybe want to see more of rishi sunak meeting with ordinary people, being able to show his passion for the projects that he wants to pursue, such as stopping these small boats crossings south coast , stopping these small boats crossings south coast, i. Crossings on the south coast, i. The thing is, i think that both got very different personalities. Chris. Riche is not as big on personality as boris, but im sure hes got his own, you know, skills set himself and the polling shows thatis himself and the polling shows that is not cutting through in the public. And i still think that i mean, i know in my constituency, since rishi sunak became party leader and it left a bad taste in my Party Members mouth on how they how we became leader. What mouth on how they how we became leader. What happened to boris . But since ive only got, ive lost half of my members since, rishi became leader. So i think, unfortunately, that that speaks volumes. I listen to my volumes. I listen to my constituents, i listen to my Party Members , and, yeah, its a Party Members, and, yeah, its a sad place to be. Its sad for any conservative in this place at the moment. But but weve got to fight. We cant give up, you know . Mean, so much know . I mean, theres so much apathy and you can see mps are down, god, weve to down, but god, weve got to fight. Chris weve got to fight to these socialists, you to stop these socialists, you know, helm of the know, taking helm of the government. And i mean , if we government. And i mean, if we think immigration is bad now, god , whats it going to be like god, whats it going to be like under labour, remember, weve got somebody in starmer who backed corbyn, but also he didnt believe in brexit. He didnt believe in brexit. He didnt want brexit, he wanted more or open borders, look at the wokester look of how he kneeled, you know, this is somebody who is decidedly unconservative, obviously his labour party. I say that , but labour party. I say that, but many of the british people are conservative with a small c, and they dont like stuff like this. They dont want open borders, they dont want people kneeling, like in that way that they also dont want people to not identify the difference between the two genders. So i think we need to all conservatives mps need to all conservatives mps need to all conservatives mps need to stand up and just fight with every breath. Now to save the country from the socialists. Okay dame Andrew Jenkins, thank you very much for joining us with that impassioned speech. With that impassioned speech. Thank you for your time. Always a l thank you for your time. Always a , chris. Hope, what do a pleasure, chris. Hope, what do you sense there from dame andrea . I sense more than anything a total exasperation with the state of the conservative Party People Like lee anderson being forced out of the nest , as lee anderson being forced out of the nest, as it lee anderson being forced out of the nest , as it were, when they the nest, as it were, when they seem to have that grassroots appeal. Boris johnson being stabbed in the back, being forced out as a leader, dame andrea, a hugely valuable public servant, just feels many, maybe incense, like many voters at their wits end with it all. Well, just break that down. Two things happened there. We now know that Dame Andrea Jenkins did speak Carrie Jenkins did speak to Carrie Johnson johnson very johnson and Boris Johnson very recently. We also know that the recently. We also know that the bofis recently. We also know that the Boris Johnson and rishi sunak havent spoken for well over a yean havent spoken for well over a year, quite a bit. Havent spoken for well over a year, quite a bit. One havent spoken for well over a year, quite a bit. One can only assume that came from Boris Johnson via andrea jenkins. That is extraordinary. And puts is extraordinary. And that puts into some, shade. I think that reports today and the suggestions from senior government sources that Boris Johnson can be deployed in the red wall, she said. That was codswallop codswallop that idea of that happening was the was the tory party, i think , the way the tory party, i think, preserved that 2019, landslide victory. You put you deployed victory. You put you deployed johnson in the north, you have rishi in the south, the professional workers in the south, theyre the ones who fell out with johnson over lack out with johnson over his lack of personal of just frankly, personal discipline by running his own operation in a, in a normal way over partygate and the like, he would sort the south out. Boris does the north, they come together, they deliver another , together, they deliver another, landslide. Hes now lost that northern part. And thats why northern part. And thats why i think, leigh hanson was a chance to hang on to that. Thats gone. Well whos left . Youve got Andrew Jenkin there up in ed balls and balls old seat, morley and outwood want more tory outwood saying, i want more tory policies and they havent happened yet. In her view, number 10 will say theyre doing their but frankly not their best, but frankly its not enough clearly that enough clearly for that mp. Certainly wonder certainly not. And i wonder if be for the voters if it will be for the voters too. Think a lot of out too. I think a lot of voters out there, chris, keep saying they there, chris, i keep saying they feel exasperation feel that sense of exasperation and astonishing, and it seems astonishing, doesnt it, to think back to that time of an 80 seat majority. And now where we are, it almost like one of the almost feels like one of the most spectacular wins. How that was will examine how that was lost. And they wont believe it, because it shouldnt have been lost in one turn. Precisely. If it happens. It happens. Thank you as chris hope, thank you as even input chris hope, thank you as ever. Input and thank chris hope, thank you as eve|again input and thank chris hope, thank you as eve|again to input and thank chris hope, thank you as eve|again to dame|t and thank chris hope, thank you as eve|again to dame andrea� nank chris hope, thank you as eve|again to Dame Andrea Jenkins you again to Dame Andrea Jenkins for us show. Now forjoining us on the show. Now you lots more on that story you get lots more on that story on our website. Thanks to on our website. And thanks to you, gbnews. Com is the Fastest Growing news website in growing National News website in the country. 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Well, justice secretary alex chalk also announced new measures to slash the number of foreign prisoners by refusing tourist visa applications from countries that failed to take back their criminals and allowing foreign shoplifters, thieves and drug dealers to be deported rather than prosecuted. Heard all this before, havent we . Well im joined now by mark johnson mbe, former prisoner and founder of user voice, a charity that works to reduce re offending. Thanks for joining us, mark. Always a forjoining us, mark. Always a pleasure. So here we go. The prisons are so full they want to let people out early. Whats your take on this . Youre an expert. Well this is just indicative of the last 15 years really. Where , the politics has got where, the politics has got involved in the criminal Justice System. System. Weve had nothing, really, thats anywhere near effective of from this government within the prison system, especially today, we stand at 88,000, the highest number of prisoners ever to be held in british prisons , to be held in british prisons, theyre talking on one side a couple of months ago of increase in prison spaces up to 120. And then now theyre talking about an Early Release program because they cant house those prisoners. My kind of take on it, a work in prison. Ive worked in prison quite a long time. Ive been in prison is theres nothing thats based on science or Evidence Based Practice here. So the blanket release program for people of up to four years, thats quite you know, like you think a dwelling burglary around 3 to 4 years. Its quite. Theyre really serious crimes, drug dealing, theyre not theyre not sort of lower levels. Yeah, a blanket release program without any kind of professional insight about the whether those people are eligible for release. And the thing for me is what whats really unhelpful. Im a campaigner of rehabilitation because ive rehabilitated. And whats really unhelpful is the public, you know, we want increase in sentences because theres no confidence in the Justice System. Whereas actually, if we believed of rehabilitation programs in prison, surely the purpose is when somebody gets sentenced in a court, they get sentenced in a court, they get sentenced to prison, they lost the civil liberty, but they get rehabilitated while theyre confined in that space. And theres no talk here at all about rehabilitation, about behavioural change. And then finally , the, reconviction finally, the, reconviction figures. Overall, about 65, youngers, theyre actually probably 70. And then theyre talking about releasing them early for them to go back in. Its insane just going round around the cycle. Now they talk about being tough on law and order at the same time as releasing people early. Up, but early. That doesnt add up, but also up. Is the also doesnt add up. Is the number jail places. Now its number of jail places. Now its expensive building nicks. There are each, but are about £140 million each, but thats only ten days equivalent of what spending of what theyre spending on asylum hotels. So surely, mark, asylum hotels. So surely, mark, this is a question of priorities. Its , its a priorities. But its, its a priorities. But if you think about the David Carrick review around drugs right. So drugs are a big scourge. They clog up the system completely. 300 million just gone her report in the gone into her report in the prison. The recent stats are the data is, 60 of all opiate Addicted Prisoners are not making it to a gp prescription on release from prison. So on release from prison. So theres one prison in the north, 85 of prisoners are getting released from the prison. Dont even make it. They make it to the drug dealer before the prison. Its absolutely its chaos. And of course, mark, it will just put huge pressure on an already overloaded parole system i its not lam em its not just the parole system. The Probation Services are over capacity. Over capacity. Youve seen from you know, weve had 25 prison and justice ministers in the last 15 years. You know, youve got the its just all there laid out the prison conditions today. Ive got to tell you that some of those prisons, the big ones like brixton, the scrubs, winson green, etc. They were designed by in the victorian age to house one prisoner. Theyre housing up to three, and were locking people up for 22 hours a day, plus bang up. Theres a complete sheer neglect. And its like, what i want to ask the public is what i want to ask the public is what do you think that goes on in prison . Do you mean we need to change this conversation to take more a focus, of having take more of a focus, of having confrontation of peoples behaviour, deluded behaviour , behaviour, deluded behaviour, the amount of prison prisons that i the amount of prison prisons thati go the amount of prison prisons that i go to and people are walking out with the same deluded belief that they had when they went in, is just its crazy. Crazy. Okay, before you go, chris, i want to turn to you because theres a rebellion brewing all along this topic. A few conservatives arent happy about this Early Release plan. Well, what were seeing today in the commons is alex chalk, the justice secretary, making very theyre going to very clear theyre going to increase the maximum number of days out under days you can come out under under supervised licence from 18 to of that is ease to 60 days, part of that is ease pressure on the jail cells. And were seeing, arent we, there are. Dozens tory mps have are. Dozens of tory mps have signed amendments the signed these amendments to the to the sentencing bill announced by kings speech by the. In the kings speech only in november. Theyre going to anybody for less to not jail anybody for less than a year. Tory mps are upset. They you must keep dangerous they say you must keep dangerous people inside, and thats it people inside, and thats why it wont come to the house of wont go to come to the house of commons. And therefore you have these measures in these emergency measures in house of commons today. Finish with but, mark, to finish with you, how divorced from reality do you think politicians are . And as far as what goes on in jail and what needs to be done, all these bills, all these amendments, these noises, do amendments, all these noises, do they theyre they know what theyre on about . They absolutely dont. Thing is, figures and the thing is, the figures prove as well. The prove that as well. The reconviction rates. Fundamentally its reconviction rates. The public, trust in, in the Justice System is gone. Even people that actually go into prison or work with people that youd be really surprised to know that actually prison is the default rehab, right . Prison is the only place that they get a structure. They get free meals even though they get subjected to the most severe neglect ever. And what what what where im coming from is that you know why it gets tabled and you get opposition with this bill in the select committees and stuff is its politics. Theyre playing politics with whereas politics with it. Whereas actually , what ive come to know actually, what ive come to know is there are lots of people involved the criminal justice involved in the criminal Justice System really their system that really know their their and they just get their stuff. And they just get completely ignored through politics. Well, what need is more well, what we need is more people like you involved. Superb stuff. Thank you much, stuff. Thank you very much, mark johnson. Excellent chris johnson. Excellent work chris hope, that hope, always a pleasure. That was excellent discussion. Now was an excellent discussion. Now theres lots more still to come between now 6 00. Lily allen between now and 6 00. Lily allen says motherhood over says she chose motherhood over p0p says she chose motherhood over pop does having pop stardom, but does having children always mean your career will be disrupted . But first will be disrupted . But first time for your latest news headunes time for your latest News Headlines with sophia wenzler. Thanks, martin. Its 533. Im sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom , Kemi Badenoch says. Newsroom, Kemi Badenoch says. Frank hesters remarks about diane abbott were racist. Its after the conservative partys biggest donor reportedly said the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women and she should be shot. Mr hester has now apologised and says he abhors racism. 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Rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news Financial Report. Report. Well, joining me now is Michelle Dewberry , the queen of Michelle Dewberry, the queen of prime time political debate. Jubes always a pleasure. Whats on your menu . On your menu . Its a comment that the chap made really interesting when he said about feeling like hes been politicised. Those people are. It got me are being politicised. It got me wondering, is there anyone thats politically been thats been politically not been politicised now when it politicised right now when it comes to trying to their comes to trying to win their votes . I to talk votes . But i want to talk tonight. Boris johnson apparently be on apparently hell be banging on the red wall. Is the doors of the red wall. Is he the doors of the red wall. Is he the man save tories then the man to save the tories then or whole notion of or not . This whole notion of three refusals and youre in three job refusals and youre in the forces. That the armed forces. That suggestion today, do you think that would actually work to get the people re engaged the young people re engaged in doing good for their doing something good for their country or not . I want to talk about these potential new, gas fired power plants. Is that the way forward , to maintain energy way forward, to maintain Energy Security in this country and also an event caught my eye thats planned for the weekend. Its all about democracy. We its all about democracy. We within the media. What do you think first topic is . Think their first topic is . Martin on their agenda. Their first full session. They want a ban gb news. They want a ban gb news. Their first full session is, and quote , what are we going and i quote, what are we going to do about the problem that is gb news . So ill be talking about that on my programme. Ive got tice and joe got richard tice and joe phillips me company. Phillips keeping me company. Excellent. Always that sounds excellent. Always going to be a corking show. Dewbs co six till seven cracking stuff now youre watching or listening to gb news coming up. Still on the final furlong of the show. Be furlong of the show. Ill be getting around your emails on getting around to your emails on the the day. The big topics of the day. Lee anderson opposition anderson joins the opposition benches commons. Benches in the house of commons. Vaiews gbnews. Com is the email. Theres to get yours theres still time to get yours in, so get weaving. Im Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news welcome back. Its 541. Youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news now. Pop star lily allen. You remember her . Has said that having kids ruined her career. Well the smile singer has two daughters and hasnt released new music since 2018. In an interview with the radio times podcast, she said she believes women have to decide whether to put their children or their careers first and that while she loves her kids and they complete her, they ruined her career. The cynical viewpoint, you might think, well, im joined now to discuss this in the studio by political commentator stella kyriakides. Commentator stella kyriakides. Weve got it right this time. Very well done. Very well done. Thank you so it is a choice that faces many successful women and that is, do they take that career break . Do they take the time out . Do they sacrifice their career for kids, or is that like a desperately cynical, modern thing to say . Modern thing to say . It depends on the kind of career youre talking about, right . Because one would look in lily allen and say, wait lily allen and would say, wait a minute, already an minute, you already had an amazing minute, you already had an anlilyig minute, you already had an anlily allen when i a of lily allen when i was a teenagerin of lily allen when i was a teenager in greece, and right now shes actress in now shes an actress in broadway. From what i understand, she lives in new york. She has her two lovely daughters. Shes remarried. From what. So shes what i understand. So shes living life. Its not living a great life. Its not like shes not having a career at all. Its just that i assume what referring to is what shes referring to is i could be madonna or lady gaga or whoever is more popular or more famous than her, and i didnt because i wanted to spend more time with your kids and a lot of people would say, this is probably correct answer probably the correct answer because also, as mentioned, she didnt from didnt have that attention from her parents and she really missed that in the way she was raised, i think is raised, which i think is something that a of lot of something that a lot of a lot of people, especially my people, especially in my generation, millennials, we would agree with, you know, women who are having children later in life. There are more mothers in their 40s now than there are teenage mums in britain. Its been that way about ten been that way for about ten years. I know, incredibly successful, beautiful successful, incredibly beautiful women that ended up never having children. Simply out of children. They simply ran out of time, put in their careers. First, i want to ask you big first, i want to ask you a big question. Stella that question. Stella does that modern less children modern way having less children later in life, putting your career first . Does it make women happier or not . I do not. I do not know that it is a specifically modern way and that women are necessarily choosing this because its not just women, right . Its not just its not just a 30 year old woman saying, i want to have kids right now. Find me a partner and i will do it. And it happens that. And it is happens like that. And it is also you see also a problem that you see a lot in metropolitan areas lot more in metropolitan areas like london, for example. I imagine areas and imagine that in other areas and in other countries as well, you would see a different picture. And think when youre looking and i think when youre looking at what is that at data, what you see is that the affluent country is the more affluent and country is and options available and the more options available to women , the later they choose to women, the later they choose to women, the later they choose to have kids. Exactly. Because they can become more financially independent and they wait longer. But having said having said that, i do think that it is a bit of a myth that it is women who are always putting their careers first. I mean, sure, i know some women who made a very conscious decision to put their careers first, but i see this in women my age. Im 29 going 30. They guys who are they will date guys who are their age or slightly older than men than them. Men also dont men than them. Men also dont really want to have kids younger , and i would say that its very often women would rather start having kids and getting married and having a more stable lifestyle. See men lifestyle. And then you see men being really scared being really, really scared because my because theyre thinking, oh my god, these god, there are all of these expectations , you know, being god, there are all of these exp well, i know i was 38 when i had my first nipper. I did everything to lean on my mrs. Emotional blackmail, the whole lot. She was she was putting lot. She was 34. She was putting her she later her career first. She later admitted having children was the best thing she ever did. I wonder modern life is a wonder if the modern life is a more selfish life and were putting selfish needs putting career and selfish needs ahead, actually, of the real reason put on earth, reason were put on earth, thats just my thoughts, stella. Fantastic to have you in the studio. Always an absolute pleasure. What do you think is the modern way . Making women more or less happy . Putting kids later in life, having less of them. And dont forget, were already at about below replacement rate. If we dont replacement rate. If we dont get on with it, we might all fizzle out. Now youre watching or listening to news coming or listening to gb news coming up. Off vets . Yes, pets up. Rip off vets . Yes, pets owners in the uk may be overpaying for medicines and prescription caps on fees could be introduced about time. My be introduced about time. My cats teeth cost me two grand the other week. Im Martin Daubney on gb news, britains news channel earlier on breakfast. Plenty of unease on conservative benches as lee anderson takes his place as reform uks first mp. From labour to the conservatives. Now hes with reform, he recognised that hed said the wrong thing, but he couldnt quite bring himself to say sorry. The main thing is were glad okay. Were just glad youre okay. Well, been the yeah, well, thats been the overarching i think overarching feeling. I think that everybody wants to that everybody just wants to send that everybody just wants to sen she that everybody just wants to senshe changed it cosmetic she changed it for cosmetic reasons. Dont reasons. I feel, and i dont think be bullying her. Think we should be bullying her. Just put Margot Robbies head on your body, and that would be it. No, id get Margot Robbies body as well. Please every morning breakfast every morning its breakfast from you can join. Us. Welcome back. Its 549. Were on the final furlong. And youre watching or listening to Martin Daubney on gb news. Now, heres one thatll get you going because pets owners in the uk may be overpaying for medicines , may be overpaying for medicines, prescriptions and treatment for their beloved animals. Prescriptions and treatment for their beloved animals. Well, the their beloved animals. Well, the competition and markets authority says that theyre not always made aware of basic information, such as price lists, before agreeing to the treatment. I can vouch for that. And the watchdog has warned that vets in the uk could be forced to cap prescription fees or even sell off parts of their business. Well, joining me now to go over this topic is the veterinary expert and professor of Animal Welfare, andrew knight. Andrew, welcome to the show. This is something, knight. Andrew, welcome to the show. This is something , andrew, show. This is something, andrew, that i, as a cat owner, can certainly identify with, took my cat down to my local vet. He had cat down to my local vet. He had terrible breath. I thought, right, he needs his teeth cleaning. Guess what he needed three teeth out, cost me two grand. That does sound particularly high. I mean, normally to just have a small number of teeth out would be, i think, a lot cheaper than that. It does depend on the case. Some animals might, have underlying medical conditions, need lots of extra care and pre anesthetic blood tests and so on, but but you you do sound unfortunate. It. I have to say unfortunate. It. I have to say that that is a particularly high bill, so im sorry to hear that. Yeah. I mean, it made my eyes water. I felt like i needed a vet after that. Well what can people do to get around it . I mean, presumably pet insurance, but the trouble is, as soon as your animals older, the your animals get older, the premiums through the roof. Premiums go through the roof. I the average yeah, i think the average price of pet insurance per year is just over £400 per cat or dog, which does sound like quite a lot. But if you think about it, if your animal sadly has an unexpected medical or surgical emergency , such as a major emergency, such as a Major Medical problem ends up in veterinary hospital for a few days, or sadly is in a in a major accident. Many dogs unfortunately do get hit by cars and come in needing emergency surgery. The costs of that are normally thousands of pounds and you know its a terrible situation that happens. Situation when that happens. In veterinary ive seen Veterinary Practice, ive seen it many times, were able it so many times, were not able to animals really to do what the animals really need and what what the families of animals need, because of those animals need, because there isnt the funding available. Insurance is, available. So pet insurance is, is a way to, to pay, you know, around about just over £400 a year average. Definitely year on average. But definitely take care of those unexpected problems when arise. Problems when they do arise. So thats that people can do. Yeah. But even then, you know, it doesnt cover everything. Like for example, my everything. Like for example, my cat insured. Know, cat wasnt insured. I know, terrible owner. But even then i found out that his choppers wouldnt been included wouldnt have been included anyway. Or even then it might have 1 or 1 or £200 off the have been 1 or 1 or £200 off the excess. Then you have to excess. And then you have to cough up for all of it. Anyhow. What about this idea, though , what about this idea, though, andrew, of capping prescription fees . Can that really happen . Fees . Can that really happen . Can the government step in to do that . Selling off parts of the business sounds a bit draconian. Business sounds a bit draconian. It does, doesnt it . And, i suppose comes back to the suppose that comes back to the fact that so many aspects of Veterinary Practice are just not really very profitable. If you think going down to think of going down to your local treatment, you local doctor for treatment, you walk surgery, you walk into a surgery, you see a doctor, youll have doctor, possibly youll have some very basic tests in house. If your animal to a vet if you take your animal to a vet , theyre going to have the same things, a fully things, but also a fully equipped suite with equipped surgical suite with anaesthetic machine, x ray anaesthetic gas machine, x ray suite, ultrasonography , bigger suite, ultrasonography, bigger in house laboratory. All of that costs lot of money and its costs a lot of money and its just a not a very profitable Business Model. Given that those expensive parts of practice are not use. Constantly as as not in use. Constantly as as they would be in a human facility , more commonly. So the, facility, more commonly. So the, the Business Model is not very good, the vast majority of Veterinary Practices are operated at a profit margin of less than about 5 or above, a break even point. So theyre pretty close to not being able to fund themselves. There are a few that are making a lot of money, but many are marginally profitable. And its really because this Business Model. Because of this Business Model. I actually whats because of this Business Model. I the, actually whats because of this Business Model. I the, the, tually whats because of this Business Model. I the, the, corporatisation driven the, the, corporatisation of sector. Many of the of the sector. Many of the practices have become unsustainable given the rising costs and so on, and now being bought up by corporations , which bought up by corporations, which can implement economies of scale and the whole, thing and make the whole, thing cheaper to run and this is where were getting into the problems with people not having enough choice anymore between Veterinary Practices and also lack transparency about lack of transparency about pricing of some of the procedures available. Another thing by the inquiry, thing identified by the inquiry, that that has come to light. Okay. Well have to leave it there. Andrew white, a veterinary expert and professor of Animal Welfare. I dont know about vets being hard up the vets in my neighbourhood has got the in entire the best motor in the entire postcode. Anyway, email postcode. Anyway, quick email now. About eight now. Janet said this about eight Asylum Seekers magically converting to christianity says this. Janet. There are dozens of illegals at a restaurant in skegness getting christened and married every day. The preacher is not even ordained. Thats where he got you going. Throughout the show, as has the topic of lee anderson defecting topic of lee anderson defecting to reform. A lot of people say hes speaking common sense now, coming up straight after this is Michelle Dewberry with dewbs co Michelle Dewberry with dewbs co and co. Always superb show there. Ill be back tomorrow. Same time three till six. Ive been Martin Daubney. Same time three till six. Ive been Martin Daubney. Dont been Martin Daubney. Dont forget an exclusive interview with that reverend Matthew Firth Patrick Christys tonight, 9 to 11. Ill see you tomorrow. Ive been Martin Daubney all the. Best. A brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Heres your latest gb news Weather Forecast brought to you by the met office. More rains to come as we go through the next few days, especially in the northwest. But especially in the northwest. But it is to be mild, albeit it is going to be mild, albeit also because we have an also windy because we have an area of low pressure developing currently wards , the currently to the wards, the northwest of the uk that then northwest of the uk that is then dragging from the dragging in our air from the southwest, which is a mild direction, it is dragging direction, but it is dragging some pretty cloudy air into, which is why its a cloudy picture staying cloudy as we picture and staying cloudy as we go the evening go through the evening and overnight. Drizzly overnight. A few drizzly outbreaks for england wales, outbreaks for england and wales, but and northern but across scotland and northern ireland. Here we have some heavy, persistent rain pushing its and that will reach its way in and that will reach the of and the far north of england and wales on it is going wales later on too. It is going to a mild night, temperatures to be a mild night, temperatures not of us. Not dropping for many of us. Perhaps a bit perhaps something a little bit fresher pushing in towards the far of uk. That band far north of the uk. That band of then edges a little bit of rain then edges a little bit further southwards as we go through but it doesnt through tomorrow, but it doesnt make so it make any quick progress, so it is going to linger and stall across parts of northern england, northern central wales, across parts of northern entheld, northern central wales, across parts of northern enthe south thern central wales, across parts of northern enthe south ofzrn central wales, across parts of northern enthe south ofzrn cymostlyiiales, across parts of northern enthe south ofzrn cymostly dry s, to the south of this mostly dry across much of central southern england could some england and wales could be some brightness, particularly towards the east, here temperatures the east, and here temperatures should highs around 15 should get to highs of around 15 or 16 celsius, a little bit colder than this across northern parts, but a greater chance of seeing sunny skies. But seeing some sunny skies. But watch the strong winds, watch out for the strong winds, especially in the far north. Risk gales here as we go risk of gales here as we go through later on tomorrow. That band of rain edges a little bit further northwards again pushes into scotland, staying into parts of scotland, staying dner into parts of scotland, staying drier towards south. But drier towards the south. But more come as we go more rain to come as we go through of week, through the end of the week, albeit friday is looking more showery should albeit friday is looking more show mostly should albeit friday is looking more show mostly dry should albeit friday is looking more show mostly dry. Should start mostly dry. Warm inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt as sponsors of boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on help the tories back those red wall seats back in the next election is Boris Johnson. Then the man to save the tories or not . 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