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Good evening from the gb newsroom. Itsjust good evening from the gb newsroom. Its just gone 6 00. The top story this hour. Northern irelands first minister has apologised to the families of alleged informers who were killed by the ira , and who were killed by the ira, and she says shes wholeheartedly committed to healing the wounds of the past. Its after a Major Investigation found more lives were probably lost than saved by a double agent during the troubles , codenamed stakeknife, troubles, codenamed stakeknife, he was working covertly for the british army inside the iras internal Security Unit operation canova, which was conducted by Bedfordshire Police, examined more than 100 murders and abductions linked to that unit. Chief constable john bucha, whos now with the Police Service in Northern Ireland, says theres strong evidence of very serious criminality. Very serious criminality. A stakeknife was undoubtedly a valuable asset who provided intelligence about the ira at considerable risk to himself, claims that he was responsible for saving countless or hundreds of lives are hugely exaggerated. Most importantly , these claims most importantly, these claims belie the fact that stakeknife was himself involved in very serious and wholly unjustifiable criminality whilst operating as an agent, including murders. Well, stakeknife is widely believed to have been a west belfast man who was 77 when he died last year. Solicitor kevin winters , who represents a number winters, who represents a number of the victims families, says the agent needs to be identified officially. Officially. The decision not to name Freddie Scappaticci as the agent stakeknife has been difficult for many to accept the legal and tactical rationale for doing so will be lost on many people, particularly next of kin of those murdered. Those murdered. George galloway says he has hundreds of candidates ready to field at the next election. He field at the next election. He was sworn into parliament on monday this week, following his by election win last week. Speaking to neil oliver earlier , speaking to neil oliver earlier, the mp said his success in rochdale was the straw that broke the camels back in politics. The spread of candidates challenges, new parties, independent candidates and so on is now proceeding like wildfire. If i tell you that i have now in my pocket, more than 300 prospective parliamentary candidates, all paying their own election expenses, by the way, because we cant pay them more than 300 Workers Party parliamentary candidates. Imagine that. Well, you can see that full interview with George Galloway and neil oliver on youtube and onune and neil oliver on youtube and online at gbnews. Com tonight from 9 pm, or again on sunday with neil oliver at 6 pm. In other news, met Police Firearms officer martin blake has denied the murder of chris kaba after being named publicly for the first time today. The 24 year old was shot once in the head through the windscreen of a car in south london in september 2022. The officer was initially identified as nxi 21, but 2022. The officer was initially identified as nx1 21, but it was ruled the 40 year old can now be named because it poses no real risk to his life or that of his family. He has been released on bail and is due to face trial in october. The foreign secretary says its incredibly frustrating that israel is not taking steps to allow more aid into gaza. The uk has announced it will join the us to create a new port on the us to create a new port on the strip, providing support on planning and surveying in the area. However, the foreign secretary says theres an option to deliver a to gaza immediately while the temporary pier is being. Being constructed. This new idea from the president of the united states, which were involved in a building a temporary harbour in gaza , means that aid will be gaza, means that aid will be able to go directly from cyprus to gaza. But its going to take time to build. So the crucial thing is today, the israelis must confirm that theyll open the port at ashdod. That is in israel. But thats the port at ashdod. That is in israel. But thats a working port. It could take aid now that would increase the amount of aid. And that aid can then be dnven aid. And that aid can then be driven into gaza. That would driven into gaza. That would make a real difference. And we need to make a real difference. Right now. And finally, some news from cambridge, where a historic artwork has been damaged by a group of pro palestinian activists at the university there. If youre watching on tv, you can see footage here showing that painting of former Prime Minister lord balfour being sprayed with red paint before being slashed apart. The governments adviser on Political Violence and disruption has described it as outrageous and, he says, senseless. The Palestine Action group claims the piece symbolised the bloodshed of the Palestinian People since the Balfour Declaration in 1917. Thats the latest from the newsroom for now. For more, you newsroom for now. For more, you can newsroom for now. For more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. Just scan the qr code there on your screen. Or if youre listening on radio, go to gb news. Com alerts. Now though, its back to. Michelle. Its back to. Michelle. Thank you very much for that. And hello there to you. I am Michelle Dewberry and im with you till 7 00 tonight on this International Womens day. So International Womens day. So good evening and i hope youve all had a good day. All you women out there, all the other programs or channels theyll be scrabbling around today thinking, how can i stuff my program full of women or men that pretend to be women or whatever it is. 7 these that pretend to be women or whatever it is . These days, not me. Keep things simple and me. I keep things simple and i think myself, what think to myself, i know what ill a panel ill do. Ill create a panel that the ladies favourites, that are the ladies favourites, so i will. So keeping me company tonight, housewives tonight, the housewives favourite known as the favourite or also known as the deputy of reform ben deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. Back. Its been habib. Welcome back. Its been a while. W been a while. Its it has been a while. Its great to be back. Oh and the other favourite prince harry lookalike, also known and known as the trade unionist and author evening author paul embery. Good evening to too. To you too. Good evening, the lady in red. I always i cant have him on every friday now, you know, because it costs. Uber is having an absolute fortune. Were trying to cook. Were to trying to cook. Were trying to cut costs. See. Why cut costs. You see. Thats why you every single you dont see him every single friday. Only a special friday. Now its only a special hole a wall. Hole in a wall. You kidding me . Does it does. Its not cheap. Its not cheap. We have only the best stuff on gb news anyway. You know the drill, dont you . On this program, just this program, its not just about us. Its about you about us. Sorry its about you guys home as well. Whats on guys at home as well. Whats on your mind you can get your mind tonight . You can get in with me all the usual in touch with me all the usual ways. 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My panel different Opinions Panel very, different opinions on see on that, but did you just see that story, on the news that last story, on the news headunes that last story, on the News Headlines activists, headlines about the activists, the activist, the the palestinian activist, the member, activist that member, the activist from that group and then group spray painting, and then taking out, like a box cutter knife whatever it and knife or whatever it is and slashing that portrait there of lord balfour. What do you think to that, ben habib . Well , i to that, ben habib . Well, i think its absolutely outrageous. And i hope she has the book utterly thrown at her. Presumably they went after balfour because the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which i think was the first contemplation of a separate state for jewish people. Contemplation of a separate state forjewish people. But its completely wrong. That its completely wrong. That valuable piece of art should be vandalised in the way. Well, in any way , but particularly any way, but particularly obviously, you know, irredeemably in the way that she did to make a protest. And i think , you know, beyond that, think, you know, beyond that, one of the problems ive got with the whole palestinian debate is that it seeks to draw its , legitimacy through going its, legitimacy through going back to past events repeatedly. And if youre going to go all the way back to balfour in 1917 for the Balfour Declaration, youre really scraping the barrel to justify your position. And you certainly dont do it by vandalising a picture. Yeah, a lot of people, actually. So if i say to actually. So if i just say to you what this group is saying, so this is the this is lord balfour, as we just mentioned, Trinity College the Trinity College in the university of cambridge. Theyre saying in the 19 saying that written in the 19 written 1917, balfours written in 1917, balfours declaration the ethnic declaration began the ethnic cleansing of palestine by promising away promising the land away something they say which the british never the right to british never had the right to do. Ive got to say, theres do. And ive got to say, theres so people that agree with so many people that agree with that and agree with that sentiment and agree with what the activists did today. Paul what the activists did today. Paul, you one them or not . Well, i think they no, i dont agree with what she did. I think these people are modern day book burners, except theyre doing that doing it with, with art that actually expensive art. Actually is very expensive art. And she obviously doesnt think that people should be able to view the piece because she happens with the happens to disagree with the person depicting depicted person whos depicting depicted in of art. Do you in the piece of art. And do you know what i suspect very strongly we will find out that shes probably from a middle class home in the home counties, and she probably went to university, and shes probably called phoebe or anastasia or Something Like also a member of Just Stop Oil and extinction. Yeah. Yeah. Very possibly. And you know, i dont want to be stereotypical, but you are being. Well, im not actually, because i think the evidence shows actually some of shows that actually some of these activists exactly from these activists are exactly from that people. That cohort of people. But i agree throw the book. Agree with ben. Throw the book. Ive in favour of ive got no im in favour of protests, but not that sort of thing, which is certainly what were to prison, ladies were going to prison, ladies and because as get and gents, because as ill get on at some point, hopefully on to at some point, hopefully within this program, 40,000 people have been early people have been released early from havent people have been released early from room. Havent got any room. Absurd, you absolutely absurd, do you support on that support that action on that painting not . Also, why painting or not . Also, why wouldnt you, if so wouldnt you, if its so valuable, why wouldnt you put it behind or something . It behind glass or something . Because and we because in this day and age, we see all time, dont we . See all the time, dont we . People they chuck people think that they can chuck soup it is, over soup or whatever it is, over these artworks anyway, let me know your thoughts that. Know your thoughts on that. I want politics for you, want to talk politics for you, though, because weve commissioned some exclusive polling gb ive polling here on gb news. Ive got to say, really threw up got to say, it really threw up some interesting things, some which might surprise you and some so lets just have a some less so lets just have a quick look, some the quick look, at some of the outcomes of that poll, shall we . Heard from my own , you ive heard from my own, you know, my own constituency. People say i had recently actually a fantastic school i went into and they said they told me how the officer had, you know, their ofsted experience had gone. And i was shocked. I mean, i was actually shocked. I thought, god, if id have met these people, id have probably punched them. They were really rude. e sorry about that yeah, okay. Sorry about that everybody. Because that definitely wasnt, the polls that talking to you that i was just talking to you about. That was about. But what that was actually was Gillian Keegan, the education secretary and what that there clip of that was, there was a clip of her a stage. And this has her on a stage. And this has created an outrage, from so many people , ben, because what people, ben, because what theyre saying that she theyre saying is that she should fired , she should be should be fired, she should be fired. She should , you know, fired. She should, you know, shes not fit to hold her role, etc, etc. Where are you on this . Well, i mean, gillians not the first tory mp and indeed minister to talk as if theyre in opposition. You know, she talks about wanting to punch an ofsted officer in the face. Well, thats what you might wish to do if you were disenfranchised, unable to make your case. She is secretary of state for education. If shes got a problem with ofsted, she should be dealing with it through office and weve through her office and weve seen a lot with, tory seen that a lot with, tory ministers and former tory ministers. They all talk a great game. They all say what they know the electorate want to heat know the electorate want to hear. As she was there, but they dont actually do what they they dont actually do what they they dont walk the walk. They just dont walk the walk. They just do the talk. And we see it as i say, right across the board. Gillian ought to get to her gillian ought to get back to her desk and reform the educational system, starting with getting rid critical theory, rid of critical race theory, getting of dei and all those getting rid of dei and all those other things, teaching our children that theyre carbon emitters and theyre going to destroy the planet, getting rid of that nonsense that should of all that nonsense that should be her priority. I mean, people are having i mean, but people are having a youve got lib dem a meltdown. Youve got lib dem mps saying, talking about a secretary state talking about secretary of state talking about assaulting should assaulting someone should be shocking. Gillian shocking. But for Gillian Keegan, on keegan, its just another day on the swearing to the microphone from swearing to suggesting violence, suggesting acts of violence, its an example its hardly setting an example for children. Another mp for our children. Another mp goes what kind of goes on to say what kind of example does this set for children and young people, from the be in the person supposed to be in charge education . I mean, get charge of education . I mean, get a of grip, people, where a bit of a grip, people, where are you on it . Paul . I tend to worked i tend not to get worked up too things like this. Too much about things like this. I do live in a society i think we do live in a society where there is a professional kind of offence, karate, which is going around prowl in society and for things to be and looking for things to be upset about and upset and complain about and occasionally , the mask will occasionally look, the mask will slip with politicians. Theyre human beings, even tories, i have to say, are human beings, cabinet ministers, even are human beings. And they will they will slip up. I think she deserves a slap on the wrist. She deserves a bit of criticism. She deserves a bit of criticism. As a secretary of state, you cant be saying but cant really be saying that. But calls for resignations and dominating the news for the next 2 or 3 days. I think that would be completely over the top. You on it . Do you . Where are you on it . Do you . Just one of things just because one of the things is, and ill talk about this poll now. Right. So did some poll now. Right. So we did some polling, here on gb news. I can show you of those slides. Show you some of those slides. Now. I apologise about that. Previous clip, but look, 46 of those that knew how those people that knew how theyre going to vote at the next election apparently said that vote that they are going to vote labour the next election. 18 labour at the next election. 18 tories, 10 reform, lib dems 10. Tories, 10 reform, lib dems10. Were then asking questions like who do you trust to strengthen the economy, 26 apparently said that they would trust Rachel Reeves the most to strengthen britains economy over the long tum compared to just 16 with jeremy hunt, 35, said none of the above, 23 said that they dont know, of living dont know, cost of living crisis. 42 polled said the worst is still to come, regarding the cost of living crisis. And also, we also asked crisis. And also, we also asked people when should we have an election . 37 of those polled said they wanted a general election as soon as possible. But get this, everybody, 16 of people said theyre not going to vote at all. And 23 of people said they dont know who to vote for. For ben said they dont know who to vote for. For ben habib. Come on. What do you make to all of this . Well well, you know, i stood in the wellingborough by election, which of reasons i which is one of the reasons i did i had no i had no idea. Did you i had no i had no idea. I was by my absence i thought it was by my absence and my mate kate hoey was supporting you. I saw she was and very kind and wise of her to do. I have to have words with her then. But, the message that was dnven but, the message that was driven home to me in wellingborough, Walking Around the streets and talking to people, was that they are absolute fed up with the institutions which govern them. Its not sufficient now just to vote for another party. Theyre absolutely fed up with both labour and the tories and the real story is how many people are not voting , staying at home. Are not voting, staying at home. And we saw that in wellingborough. We saw that in kingswood. We saw that even more so in rochdale, with an even lower. Lower turnout. What were you guys even thinking in rochdale . What was reform uk thinking in rochdale in of . Well, you stood in terms of . Well, you stood Simon Danczuk who was sixteen a 17 year old girl, is in an area which is quite sensitive, to kind of young girls, you know, young women to, to be fair to Simon Danczuk and i dont at all defend any form of sexual interaction between an, you know, middle aged man and a yeah, but im not talking about it. Im talking about you guys, your party. What were you thinking . So what . I mean, Simon Danczuk was one of first to call out the of the first to call out the grooming gangs, right . And he, you did so. He was you know, he did so. And he was a former labour mp of rochdale, but that was a really bitter, filthy campaign with filthy by Election Campaign with the biggest theme, of course, being gaza , a foreign a foreign being gaza, a foreign a Foreign Policy issue dominating a local election, which i think tells you more about how multiculturalism , in this multiculturalism, in this country simply isnt working. And, you know, there was lots of slang, but the thing i want to just quickly on wellingborough is to say when i, when i went about my campaigning, i was almost pushing at an open door. I know i only got 13 of the vote, in, in total, but on the day itself, i got closer to 20 because i didnt really feature in the postal votes that took place. About a third of the votes were postal votes, and people want the two main parties gone. And one of the things people say is first past the post prevents People Like Us getting in reform uk. And of course it does. But i think were going to get seats even through the first part of the post system. Well, let me paul well, let me bring paul because its not a Party Political broadcast of reform, paul well the tories are paul go on. Well the tories are clearly going lose arent they. We know that. And labour will probably win, although suspect probably win, although i suspect its going to be by quite its not going to be by quite the that some people the margin that some people think but think its going to be. But i detect great enthusiasm for detect no great enthusiasm for the labour party. I say that as a labour member, people are not cheering the rafters for cheering at the rafters for a labour government. Its almost like the Australian Election labour government. Its almost like tilabouralian election labour government. Its almost like tilabour was| election labour government. Its almost like ti labour was electedn in 2022, labour was elected because they were seen as the least worst of two bad options and i think we could see something similar in the coming election and particularly in the red wall areas. I really think that labours support in the red wall areas is quite sticky. Theyre winning support elsewhere in the in the shires and the cities and so on. The fashionable cities, the university towns, excuse me, but in terms of the, the old traditional labour heartlands, you know, the north and the midlands, those post industrial places that they lost so many of in 2019. And really to have any kind of sort of decent majority, theyre going to need to win a substantial number of those back. I substantial number of those back. I think the evidence not necessarily just from this poll, but the general trend of polling shows that labour is still struggling there. People are not rushing to flock back and i think i say to people now that the betrayal of the brexit cannot be overestimated and the labour party doesnt stand for the working class anymore, as far as i can see. Paul. Paul. Well, i would look it stands more for the working class than, than reform. Ill than the tories or reform. Ill have debate with all. Have that debate with you all. Reform are signature policy. No, Economic Policy is to no, no Economic Policy is to take 6 million of the working class of net. Class out of the tax net. Yeah, but yeah , at the same yeah, but yeah, at the same time, what are you going to do in of raising peoples in terms of raising peoples wages . What going to do wages . What are you going to do about cut . About the minimum wage cut . Going to immigration youre going to do their wages, do about undercuts their wages, youre do about the youre going to do about the labour party. Are you going to do what are you going to do about the labour party . Would have open borders and that british. Are that would kill the british. Are you to close the gap you going to close the gap between rich and poor . You accept, for would you accept, for example, believe example, what i believe passionately far passionately that theres far too much wealth concentrated in too much wealth concentrated in too in this country, too few hands in this country, and need to spread it about and we need to spread it about more, need to tax the more, and we need to tax the rich more, and we need to put money into working class families need to families pockets. And we need to raise wage, and we raise the minimum wage, and we need them better trade need to give them better trade union rights and so and so union rights and so on and so forth. We cannot forth. What we cannot do, i dont youll agree dont think youll agree with what cannot. What we cannot. I fundamentally well, i fundamentally disagree continued wealth disagree on continued Wealth Redistribution wealth creation. You rich to get fichen no you havent i havent poor to get what what said its not to get what what i said its not what i said. Problem with wealth the problem with Wealth Redistribution particularly is weve it in this weve practised it in this country, that eventually country, is that you eventually run of and we are run out of money and we are running out of money, National Debt high, debt at an all time high, taxation all time high, taxation at an all time high, and gdp per capita shrinking as it and gdp per capita shrinking as h done and gdp per capita shrinking as it done the two it has done for the last two years. A country cannot go on redistributing wealth if its getting to getting poorer, so we have to create wealth. Part the mechanism, so part of the mechanism, part mechanisms have tax part of the mechanisms have tax at all. Part of the mechanism for creating wealth is making it pay to the and are to work in the uk. And there are two fundamental of doing two fundamental aspects of doing that. The first youve got to that. The first is youve got to cut back. Youre arguing for the trickle youve got to cut trickle down, youve got to cut back dramatically on trickle back dramatically on the trickle down is im down effect, which is im not arguing anything has arguing for anything which has been but youve got been shown to be, but youve got to is stop migration an and to do is stop migration an and instead got to stop migration. Gap between rich and the gap between rich and poon the gap between rich and poor. Shovels ever larger poor. It shovels ever larger amounts money the amounts of money into the pockets, talk over each other because at home can keep because no one at home can keep up stop bringing in cheap stop bringing in cheap imported labour. I dont disagree, the disagree, which undercuts the british. You on british. I agree with you on that. Youve got to allow that. And youve got to allow wages to go up and youve got to make it pay to work. So youve got to cut taxes on the working and middle class, and labour will neither. Labour will will do neither. Labour will increase taxes working will do neither. Labour will incremiddle es working will do neither. Labour will incremiddle es and working will do neither. Labour will incremiddle es and it rking will do neither. Labour will incremiddle es and it will] and middle class, and it will have open border policy. Keir have an open border policy. Keir starmer does not for starmer does not stand for british this country. Listen, not country. Listen, im not going to. Im not going to. Im not going to claim that is going to do claim that labour is going to do those that im those things. The point that im making we live in a making is that we live in a society that hideously society that is hideously disfigured by and income disfigured by wealth and income inequality, major party, inequality, and no major party, including your own, any including your own, has got any desire to close the gap between rich and poor. And a country cannot be at ease with itself when its got ever increasing gaps between the people at the bottom. Ill tell you who has got a desire do something me, and desire to do something me, and thatis desire to do something me, and that is to go to a break. You guys are going to have the final say that conversation. Say on that conversation. Either of are you of them convince you, are you one those people that still one of those people that still is thinking youre not going to vote . There be anything or vote . Would there be anything or anyone convince you anyone that would convince you to mind . Tell me. To change your mind . Tell me. Coming up after the break, the armed officer accused armed officer has been accused of has of killing chris kaba has been named. Think . To named. What do you think . To that . Was that the right move or not . See you in two. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00. Tonight. Alongside me remain ben habib and paul embry. Ian says great panel and paul embry. Ian says great panel. Yeah, we think so too, ian, lots of people are getting in touch about this Gillian Keegan thing where she was on the stage saying that she would essentially punch someone from ofcom, if theyre not from ofcom. Was a slip of the ofcom. That was a slip of the tongue there. Didnt mean tongue there. I didnt mean ofcom, meant ofsted. Ofcom, i meant ofsted. Thinking out loud sorry. Thinking out loud about everybody are you about that. Everybody are you doing a Gillian Keegan . I know, sandra says , has no one ever sandra says, has no one ever heard of a figure of speech . What on earth do they teach people at school these days, stephen we want mps stephen says we want more mps like a set of chops to say like her, a set of chops to say what she actually thinks. Keith says Gillian Keegan for pm darren says her comments were bang out of order. She should face the consequences. There you go face the consequences. There you 9 face the consequences. There you go , so many of you as well, go, so many of you as well, getting in touch, saying that you wont vote for anybody, my question is, though, is there anything or anyone that could change your mind . If youre currently that camp, tell me. Currently in that camp, tell me. Gb gb news. Right. Gb views at gb news. Com, right. Lets talk you might have lets talk about you might have seen this story, a metropolitan police , an armed Police Officer, an armed officer, to be precise, has been named today , this is, of course, named today, this is, of course, this is a fella thats been accused of murdering chris kaba. Ihave accused of murdering chris kaba. I have to say, this guy has pleaded not guilty. Its created this whole conversation , ben this whole conversation, ben habib, about whether or not it was right, to name this officer at this stage, what are your thoughts . Well, i, i think that when you join the police force, a particular, particularly as a firearms officer, you should be afforded protection for the job that youre doing. Its a difficult job, it comes with a huge amount of responsibility. And if something happens as unfortunate as chris kaba being killed of course there should be a review as to how it happened. But all route to that review reaching its conclusion in this case, a judicial, judicial action, the identity of the firearms officer should be absolutely kept secret. And he should be given every opportunity to prove his innocence before he is named, otherwise, how are you going to get people to do these very difficult jobs as this man is innocent until Proven Guilty , innocent until Proven Guilty, andifs innocent until Proven Guilty, and its something weve really got to get back into our psyches in this country. Were. So you were mentioning it earlier, paul were mentioning it earlier, paul, quick to be paul, were so quick to be offended were so quick to offended. Were so quick to reach judgement. Were so quick to and and this is to condemn and damn. And this is a was who was serving a man who was who was serving the country. Yes. A crime may have been committed. And i hope have been committed. And i hope the bar, by the way, to find him guilty is a very high bar. Given the responsibility he carries for the sake of the country. What do you think . It should be than someone thats be higher than someone thats accused in a normal scenario of shooting someone else, i. E. Not accused in a normal scenario of sthinkig someone else, i. E. Not accused in a normal scenario of sthinkig aimeone else, i. E. Not accused in a normal scenario of sthinkig a burglarelse, i. E. Not accused in a normal scenario of sthinkig a burglar goesi. E. Not accused in a normal scenario of sthinkig a burglar goes into |ot i think if a burglar goes into a house armed and shoots someone , house armed and shoots someone, innocent in the house, i think absolutely should be absolutely that bar should be lower for that individual and the punishment should be much lower. But youre a firearms but if youre a firearms officer, youre given, youre given gun, youre asked to use given a gun, youre asked to use it very special it in very special circumstances. You make circumstances. You may make a mistake, and that mistake may be unforgivable, but you you should have the full benefit of being innocent until Proven Guilty. Your reputation should not be tarnished , and you should be tarnished, and you should be given an opportunity to clear your name. And yes, the bar for murder should be higher. Absolutely, paul. Its a thankless task being an armed response officer, but i dont see any good reason not to name this person. I mean, they do a great job. They do a brave job. I accept much of what ben says, but i dont see a good reason to say that this person should be treated differently to anybody else who was on a murder charge within society. I think charge within society. I think in the interests of transparency, i think it is important our court system should be as open as its possible to be unless there is, in some cases, a good reason. So for example, someones underage, you know, its a child involved , you know, its a child involved, if youre an adult and youve been with murder , then been charged with murder, then i cant foresee any circumstances in i think it would be in which i think it would be acceptable to say. But the pubucis acceptable to say. But the public is not allowed to know the persons name who has been charged, notwithstanding some of the things that ben said about, you they do a difficult you know, they do a difficult job. Put in harms way, job. We put them in harms way, as said, all of which i agree as i said, all of which i agree with. But the danger is, i think, what value does it add . Knowing his name, i think you have to be transparent. Knowing his name, i think you havotherwise. Nsparent. Knowing his name, i think you havotherwise. Nsmean,. Knowing his name, i think you havotherwise. Nsmean, you could otherwise. I mean, you could make argument, michel, about make the argument, michel, about anybody whos charged with murder. Say, well, we murder. You could say, well, we shouldnt this person. Shouldnt know this person. I remember criticising met remember you criticising the met police ago when they police a few weeks ago when they didnt the details didnt release the details of the suspect clapham case. The suspect in the clapham case. And, know, that was totally and, you know, that was totally different. When this fella that was when this fella abdul ezedi, he chucked, abdul ezedi, he had chucked, acid tried to run acid at people. It tried to run them over and then principal them over and then the principal whole me tell you why whole thing. Let me tell you why its the same thing. Its its not the same thing. Its not same thing because the not the same thing because the police were appealing for the publics in tracking publics help in tracking this fella i they fella down. And, i mean, they were saying, oh, know, can were saying, oh, you know, can you look at your doorbell footage . Well, what it you footage . Well, what is it you want me look for my doorbell want me to look for my doorbell footage . That on that so would you say that on that bafis so would you say that on that basis that nobody should basis then that nobody should be . Theres public be . You know, theres no Public Interest in knowing name of interest in knowing the name of anybody been charged with anybody whos been charged with murder in a court of law. Because you took that because if you if you took that argument, logical argument, the logical consequence you name consequence is you wouldnt name anybody. I was about anybody. And i was i was about to say, i think its a slippery slope. If you say to the court system or whoever, actually youve got the to youve got the right to keep this name anonymous. This persons name anonymous. This is entitled this person is entitled to secrecy, though been secrecy, even though hes been charged murder. What charged with murder. What then else court system say . Else would the court system say . Actually, the actually, we dont think the pubuc actually, we dont think the public either. Public should know that either. But i think in a civilised, open and free society, the court system, Justice System needs system, the Justice System needs to as as its possible system, the Justice System needs to without as its possible system, the Justice System needs to without compromising system, the Justice System needs to without compromising. But to be without compromising. But hes going justice. Hes not going to justice. Not going to have a pole hes not going to have a pole hanging over his head. All charged with all people charged with murder he hes he didnt yeah, but he hes he didnt go out wilfully to kill someone. He was carrying a firearm. Well, something something clearly went wrong. And the and the and the wrong. And the and the and the trial isnt until the 2nd of october. So hes got to live with this now for the next seven months. And his familys got to live with it. Look if it turns out, ben, that hes not guilty of that which he has been charged, i completely accept it will thing for will be a horrendous thing for anybody to experience. Dont know the facts and we dont know the facts and weve got to wait for the evidence to be tested in a court of law. And i absolutely believe in presumption in the presumption of innocence. I officer as i regard this Police Officer as innocent until a jury has decided otherwise. The decided otherwise. But in the interests of transparency, im not. And nothing not convinced. And nothing youve said has convinced me that actually this person, as a Police Officer, should be treated within the treated differently within the court anybody else. Court system to anybody else. Me ask this judge, let me ask you this then, because judge. So when then, because the judge. So when he this anonymity order he lifted this anonymity order and said he did so and he said that he did so basically because a lot of Media Organisations are basically challenged, the fact that he was anonymous, youre allowed anonymous, youre not allowed to pubush anonymous, youre not allowed to publish still, publish a picture. Its still, you theres picture you know, theres no picture going be published. And nor going to be published. And nor is address there to be is his address there got to be honest, in this day and age, those things are probably not going to be that hard to find anyway. Judge, said this anyway. The judge, he said this is he concluded, and this is what he concluded, and this is what he concluded, and this is a quote in my is a direct quote in my judgement, naming of the judgement, the naming of the defendant the giving of his defendant or the giving of his date birth does not give rise date of birth does not give rise to a real immediate risk to to a real and immediate risk to his life. Really well, the judge, do you think this fellow is because people is now at risk because people know is now at risk because people knowell, the judge would have well, the judge would have looked the different looked at the different arguments that were put to him, including, the including, no doubt, the evidence that was to him by evidence that was put to him by the the accuseds own lawyer , the by the accuseds own lawyer, and concluded the and would have concluded on the bafis and would have concluded on the basis what in front of basis of what he saw in front of him, that that was the right decision to make and that the individual wouldnt be at risk. I in any i dont think were in any position second guess position here to second guess that say, actually, hes that and say, actually, hes wrong. We dont need to have all the ins and outs of the technicalities and the fineries of that if of the details to know that if you Police Officer, i you name a Police Officer, i mean that its own, mean even that on its own, telling people, whether in the prison population broader prison population or broader or whatever is whatever it is, this person is a police i mean, even Police Officer. I mean, even that surely, creates to that surely, creates a risk to that surely, creates a risk to that individual, doesnt it, i dont like when inadvertently the police force for Northern Ireland released 10,000 names of serving officers and their addresses as very dangerous. You know, its very dangerous. I feel very sorry for him, as always, the final word will go to you guys at home. Gb views at gb news. Com. Youve got to remember in all of this the to whether or not the trial as to whether or not this officer is even guilty hasnt even happened yet. And of course, know drill. In course, you know the drill. In this is innocent until this country is innocent until proven , what do you makes Proven Guilty, what do you makes with all gb views at gb news . Com now, next up, a story. Do you know what w path is or not . If you dont not because if you dont worry. Not because ill explaining all is ill be explaining all this is a really interesting story coming up has been called up next, which has been called by as the medical scandal by many as the medical scandal of the century. Ill tell you, joining me to discuss it as well. Andrew doyle. Sir, dont go will be coming back go anywhere. Will be coming back with that. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you until 7 00 tonight. The deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib, alongside me. As is the trade unionist and the author, paul embery. Welcome back, everybody. Asked you everybody. Now, i asked you before the break, do you know what w path is . I want you to get in touch with me on this one, because the topic im about to come on to next is what some people are calling the biggest medical scandal of the century. Im going to start waffling im not going to start waffling on about this because joining me live me, what a treat to live next to me, what a treat to be in studio with us, be in the studio with us, everybody. Its our very own gb news is very own andrew doyle. So going to hand the so im going to hand over the reins bring everyone reins to you to bring everyone up is this w path up to speed. What is this w path thing and why would the viewers be passionate . Should be be passionate . Or should they be passionate be passionate . Or should they be pasthanks, michelle. Thanks, michelle. Thanks, michelle. Especially important its especially important that about it that were talking about it because few Media Outlets are because so few Media Outlets are covering this particular scandal. The world scandal. W path is the World Professional Association of transgender an transgender health. Theyre an american based organisation that was they are the was formed in 1979. They are the leading Global Authority on trans treatment the world trans treatment across the world for individuals who are suffering from what used to be called gender identity disorder and is now called gender dysphoria, they are very important. The w the w path files, which are recently leaked tranche of internal messages , tranche of internal messages, conversations, video clips of clinic senior clinicians at w path discussing how you treat people who identify as transgender, including children as young as nine. And theyre talking about these things. Theres messages from their theres a messages from their internal system. All internal chat system. All of this was leaked to a man called michael shellenberger, a journalist. Written in journalist. It was written up in a report by a journalist called mia is available mia hughes, which is available now. It shows, and this is now. What it shows, and this is the key finding what it shows is that, there are lot of senior that, there are a lot of senior clinicians within w path are clinicians within w path who are not, by way , speaking on not, by the way, speaking on behalf as spokespeople of w path. Important path. Thats important to emphasise, but they are nonetheless they nonetheless saying that they engage including engage in practices including surgery such nullification, surgery such as nullification, the removal of the the removing removal of the testes , the kind of surgery that testes, the kind of surgery that effectively destroys sexual function and ends in sterility, even when it comes to children. Even when it comes to children. And that what these files reveal is that a lot of the people involved in those kind of practices, a lot of the clinicians are fully aware that their patients cannot give informed consent. They talk informed consent. They talk about how theres even conversations where one clinician says, yes, well, clinician says, oh, yes, well, you this this kid hasnt you know, this this kid hasnt even a biology even done a biology qualification high school. Qualification at high school. And, you know, so they know that these people cant give informed consent. Talking about consent. Theyre talking about the and, the castration. And, irreversible surgery on people who have a schizophrenic disorder , dissociative disorder, disorder, dissociative disorder, people who cannot possibly consent to this. They even know that dont that the parents dont understand whats going on. So all is going on. And all of this is going on. And this is especially important because aware that because theyre also aware that overwhelmingly, the children who get gender get referred for gender dysphoria are same sex attracted. When Hannah Barnes wrote her book about the tavistock clinic, she found that between 80 and 90 of adolescents referred were same sex. And what that sex attracted. And what that means is that have the nhs means is that we have the nhs effectively fixing gay kids, sterilising, sterilising gay kids and putting them on conversion therapy, no gay conversion therapy, no gay conversion therapy, no gay conversion therapy on the nhs. Conversion therapy on the nhs. Not to put too fine a point on it. So it does matter. And it matters for us because w path has been hugely influential on policy regarding trans treatment across the globe, including the nhs. There was a document in 2013 written by the nhs about gender dysphoria, saying we explicitly follow the w path guidelines. W path issued a draft of their standards of care in 2022, which was uploaded by nhs scotland, in which they included a section on eunuch identity and how its important that if someone identifies as a eunuch, medical practitioners should be facilitating the castration of those patients that was uploaded on an nhs site, i should say the nhs apologised and then tried to distance themselves from w path. But the challenge is , i mean, but the challenge is, i mean, because i want to just reiterate, i know youve just mentioned it, but i want to reiterate you at home reiterate to you guys at home that is like weve just that this is like weve just been within this been saying within this collection people, there collection of people, there are people absolutely people that absolutely are advising policy. We all advising uk policy. And we all know now that so many know by now that so many children, to be children, they do seem to be confused. Maybe its a confused. And maybe its a natural. Maybe its natural confusion. Maybe its a created confusion based on all this content left , right and this content left, right and centre thats bombarding these kids, that can that kids, telling them that can that they can actually change their sex. A boy , you can sex. If youre a boy, you can become a girl and vice versa. You change your you cannot change your biological sex, by the way. Its all nonsense. But putting these kids a medical path where all nonsense. But putting these kids will a medical path where all nonsense. But putting these kids will havezdical path where all nonsense. But putting these kids will have potentiallywhere all nonsense. But putting these kids will have potentially longe they will have potentially long lasting , potentially even lasting, potentially even lifelong lasting damage their lifelong lasting damage to their fertility and goodness only knows what its an absolute disgrace and something which really concerns me, certainly as a parent and should concerned most parents and grandparents, etc. Paul, where are you on it . I think some of these people should be sent to prison. You know, i dont i dont say that for dramatic effect, but when you look at the damage theyve done young who done to Young Children who cant give consent, give that informed consent, it seems as about seems to me almost as about a serious a crime as you can commit. And i think these people need to be sent prison. And need to be sent to prison. And i think need to stock of think we need to take stock of us a society very quickly and us as a society very quickly and ask why we are allowing this madness to take root in our society. I really think that future generations will look back and back on this generation and think weve taken leave of think that weve taken leave of our senses, that weve believed in, know, some form of in, you know, some form of astrology or alchemy or some fairy tale and people are paying a huge price for it. Kids are paying a huge price for it. Kids are paying a huge price for it. And i marked for the rest of their lives its ben habib. What do you think . Well i completely agree with everything paul completely agree with everything palim intrigued that, gender im intrigued that, gender dysphoria, as i understand it, andrew is a Mental Health issue, isnt it . Well, well, it was considered a Mental Health issue. A Mental Health issue. And instead of treating the Mental Health issue , theyre Mental Health issue, theyre actually pandering to the Mental Health issue. And thats what i really dont get, what i dont get. And i see that i dont know if id love your view on this. I see this as part of a much bigger attack on basic common sense in the United Kingdom. Almost trying to turn on its head our ability to think straight, you know, the hijacking of our language, the hijacking of our language, the hijacking of our history, our culture telling us that our forefathers were all slave traders making us ashamed of ourselves, discombobulating us, particularly again, coming back to, you know, hijacking our language and the way words are used. And this seems just another extension a another extension of that. A kind of internal malignant disease that is eating away at the british people. Its very important that you say that because the reason this is happening is because now we know from the files there are activists very high up within this movement changed this movement who have changed the we should approach the idea that we should approach these who are feeling these people who are feeling these people who are feeling these gender these feelings of gender dysphoria psychiatric dysphoria as a psychiatric issue, they should have a issue, that they should have a psychotherapeutic treatment. What they now call trans conversion therapy. And theyve shifted it to say, we need to medicalize i want to just read in, bring in a statement, actually, from the md, the president of upf, they said wpf is and has always been a science and evidence based organisation whose are widely whose recommendations are widely endorsed medical endorsed by Major Medical organisations around the world. We are the professionals who best medical needs of best know the medical needs of trans gender diverse trans and gender diverse individuals, we individuals, and we stand opposed individuals and opposed to individuals and misrepresent delegitimize opposed to individuals and misrepreseridentitiesagitimize opposed to individuals and misrepreseridentities and � nize the diverse identities and complex needs of this population through scare tactics. The world through scare tactics. The world is not flat. Gender, like genitalia, is represented by diversity. The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves health care and will never be a threat the global gender threat to the global gender binary. What . What even the binary. What . What is even the global gender binary anyway . What do you say in response to that . I mean, it is disingenuous to invoke flat earthism because thats precisely what they are doing. They are basing all of their analysis and evidence on a belief system that we have a kind and that kind of gendered soul, and that the deal with that is to the way to deal with that is to change the body, fix the body in accordance. So i would i would say that, that, they are say to that, that, that they are basically peddling a quasi religious, pseudoscientific approach. Evidence approach. Theyre not evidence led, but thats what they claim, you i just want to say as well, youve got a special program on this coming up. Yeah, yeah, were doing a full hours on free speech full two hours on free speech nafion full two hours on free speech nation this sunday 7 00, nation this sunday at 7 00, where going to go into where we are going to go into the w path talk to the w path files, talk to various experts, clinicians, medical commentators. Various experts, clinicians, medicgoing commentators. Various experts, clinicians, medicgoing findnmentators. Various experts, clinicians, medicgoing find outentators. Various experts, clinicians, medicgoing find out what rs. Various experts, clinicians, medicgoing find out what it were going to find out what it says, it means, what are says, what it means, what are the ramifications. Well i for one shall be watching. If anyone has children, or children, grandchildren, etc. Or just and just an interest in reality and medical health, etc. I recommend that program to you too for now. Andrew doyle thank you very much. Coming up next, my favourite parts of the program, dewberry tavern, will be open. I want to talk to you about prisoners. 40,000 of them will be early to create be released early to create space in prisons. What on earth if you support this move hello there. Happy friday to you. This is dewbs co with me. Michelle dewberry paul embry and ben habib rahman alongside me. Jubilee tavern is open. It lives to see another day. So cheers to all you guys. The panel cheers. You guys are at home. Cheers paul says i like paul embry. I even want shook his hand when i bumped into him while he walks his dog in whitlingham. But hes completely, totally wrong about naming fire officer. The naming the fire officer. The firearms officer charged firearms officer who is charged with a very long with murder. Give me a very long reason why ive appreciated that. I shall read it to paul after the program. Allen says the firearms officer is now more of target than ever before. Of a target than ever before. His is as as over. His career is as good as over. This is, of course, the officer thats, accused killing chris thats, accused of killing chris kaba on that trans scandal weve just been talking about. Wendy says , i agree with paul, on this says, i agree with paul, on this topic. She says its also International Womens day. Can you tell ben habib hes made my day by appearing on the channel . Very cool. There go. Thats very cool. There you go. Thats nice, it , mark says very cool. There you go. Thats nice, it, mark says i nice, isnt it, mark says i dont know whats going on with me, michelle. I finding me, michelle. I keep finding myself embry. Myself agreeing with paul embry. Oh, theres a name for oh, theres a theres a name for that condition. It requires a lay down, and its called common sense. Its called common sense. Yeah, its called common sense. Yeah, its called common sense. Thats what say. Empirism. Empirism. Yeah, well, embolism very quick, very quick. Right. Right. Lets talk aneurysm. Maybe. Lets talk aneurysm. Maybe. Lets talk criminal, shall we . Because get this, everybody, 40,000 criminals are set now to be released from prison early. Why . Because were running out of space in our prisons. I find this absolutely absurd. You this absolutely absurd. You might have a different view at home. I just want to give you some, some context before i bnng some, some context before i bring the panel in. Violent offenders that are serving under four years are eligible, such as burglars, thieves, shoplifters, fraudsters. However, sex fraudsters. However, sex offenders, convicted terrorists, category a prison, prisoners and all violent offenders serving four or more years are excluded. Well good. At least thats a bit of common sense, anyway, paul, where are you at . Paul ben, where are you at . Paul ben, where are you at . Paul ben, where are you . You can tell jewellery taverns open. The jewellery taverns open. The wheels have come off. Youve had a sip of prosecco. Youve had a sip of prosecco. I have, i have, im a lightweight these days. Anyway. Oh, man. Lightweight these days. Anyway. Oh,bens money. Bens money. Bens money. Got to be i know. Ive got to be fair, i know. Ive got to be fair, i know. Ben, where are you . Ben, where are you . Well, im completely against it. Against in the same it. Im against it in the same way police chosen not way that police have chosen not to, crime , you to, challenge petty crime, you know, the minute you send a signal to criminals that either petty crime isnt going to be prosecuted , or that if youve prosecuted, or that if youve committed actually quite a serious crime, four years is a pretty damn serious sentence. Pretty damn serious sentence. Youve committed serious crime. Youve committed serious crime. You can be let out of jail early simply because the state cant afford to keep you there, or we havent got adequate space. Youre criminal youre telling the criminal World United Kingdom is world that the United Kingdom is unable manage criminality, unable to, manage criminality, that criminality is out of control. And actually, that is what we are seeing on our streets. One of the biggest issues in the wellingborough by election was knife crime. And thats an issue right across the united. And if you give United Kingdom. And if you give criminality encouragement by saying example, crime saying, for example, petty crime will punished or that will not be punished or that youll let out early, or that youll be let out early, or that therell be special exceptions made , you encouraging made, you are encouraging criminal activity. Weve got to criminal activity. Weve got to weve got to re instill faith in in criminals minds that if they do break the law, they will be apprehended and they will be locked up. We should be going locked up. We should be going the other way. We should be coming much more draconian with criminality than we are at the moment. Paul embry well, its another sign that we are an developing country. Fact that justice the fact that our Justice System, falling system, i think is falling apart. The police dont do their jobs the court system jobs properly. The court system is experiencing massive backlogs. We havent got capacity our prison estate to capacity in our prison estate to keep people in prison for as long as they need to be in prison, and, you know, to let burglars free. That really angers me because i think the authorities treat burglary as a as a minor offence, but actually and, you know, ive never been burgled, thankfully. And touch wood, i never will be. But i can imagine for the people who experience it, its a really serious crime and has a really serious crime and has a really serious effect. The violation you must feel when someone has come into your home and taken your stuff or whatever , i think your stuff or whatever, i think people are entitled to expect that when people do that, they go to prison and they serve a reasonable sentence. And the way reasonable sentence. And the way we treat it as an afterthought, i think is unacceptable. And it blights working class communities. People law communities. People say law and order a wing issue. Order is a right wing issue. Its not. It should be a left wing issue as well. If were serious about representing working people the working class people on the left, should deal with left, we should deal with things. Crimes that things. The everyday crimes that affect areas affect working class areas and communities. I mean, you could also you start by also as well, you could start by looking whats going on in looking at whats going on in terms of foreign criminals, terms of foreign born criminals, etc. Prisons because surely etc. In prisons, because surely you could speed up some deportations and up deportations there and free up some you, has been couldnt you, philip has been in what . Presume used to in touch, what . Presume used to be in prison because he says, michel, they did this same thing about years ago. We got out about 15 years ago. We got out for up 14 days early. It was for up to 14 days early. It was given couple weeks. Given a couple of weeks. Jobseekers allowance top of jobseekers allowance on top of our money, because we our release money, because we were classed as in were still classed as being in prison allowed to prison and we werent allowed to claim release date, he claim until our release date, he says. Is, letting says. The thing is, letting people out a couple of weeks early is nothing but my early is nothing new. But my question is what sort of rehabilitation can be achieved question is what sort of reithose ation can be achieved question is what sort of reithose tw0| can be achieved question is what sort of reithose two weeks . Achieved question is what sort of reithose two weeks . Thats ed question is what sort of reithose two weeks . Thats an in those two weeks . Thats an interesting question. Youre assuming, interesting question. Youre assumingweeks is to extra few weeks is to rehabilitate the individuals. Im not actually so that it im not actually so sure that it is michael says. Or mick from croydon, to be precise, says instead of releasing them early, why train them to why dont we train them to repair do care repair potholes, do care working, sorting out some of the situations on the roads so people could actually feel like theyre adding value to society. Theyre adding value to society. Party, christopher says my friend is in prison, is 57. Hes worked hard all of his life , worked hard all of his life, paid of his taxes, is a decent man, made a mistake, found himself in prison, and now hes taking space from someone who actually needs to be in there, there you go. Well, you never know. You might your friend know. You might find your friend three years early. For three years early. Look, for now, ive now, though, thats all ive got. Time for, gents. Thank you very much for your company. You know you very know the drill. Thank you very much have a great much for yours. Have a great weekend. Ill be back on monday night. A brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on. Solar, sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Good evening. Welcome to your latest gb news weather update. It should stay dry through this evening for many areas, but rain and showers will push from the southwest will push up from the southwest to some showery outbreaks to bring some showery outbreaks of rain. For of us this of rain. For many of us this weekend, thats as a of weekend, thats as a result of this low pressure system bringing weather fronts bringing these weather fronts into the southwest through this evening. Will bring some evening. So that will bring some showery rain for showery outbreaks of rain for parts and cornwall parts of devon and cornwall through evening. Elsewhere, through this evening. Elsewhere, though dry for though, it should be dry for much of the evening and through much of the evening and through much having said much of the night, having said that, it will be quite that, but it will be quite cloudy breezy. Will cloudy and breezy. That will limit any frost to just the far northwest of scotland, it northwest of scotland, but it will be a fairly chilly start to the weekend, with that easterly breeze the. Wind breeze continuing the. The wind will strong , will be quite strong, particularly over the high ground areas ground and northwestern areas throughout saturday and further south. Well see cloud thicken through the afternoon with some drizzly outbreaks of rain to come around lunchtime. Across come around lunchtime. Across central and southeastern areas. There be some brighter there will be some brighter weather through the afternoon, but allow some showers but that will allow some showers to break out. Those showers could turn quite heavy across parts of the southwest, so some very heavy rain is possible for parts parts of parts of dartmoor, parts of south well. That rain south wales as well. That rain will much more widespread will be much more widespread through particularly through sunday, particularly across england across eastern areas of england as as parts of scotland, as well as parts of scotland, where therell be some quite persistent and heavy rain at times, so there could be some Flooding Issues the end of Flooding Issues by the end of the will be quite the weekend. There will be quite a of around on sunday, a lot of cloud around on sunday, but brighter spells in the but some brighter spells in the southwest rain slowly southwest that rain slowly clears through leave clears through monday to leave a much and brighter day on much drier and brighter day on tuesday looks like things tuesday by by looks like things are up. Are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. Welcome to the andersons real world blog cracking show. Tonight ive got former top cop on the show, peter blakesley. Hes the first time for him. Weve also got a return to the show for stephen pound, former labour mp, weve got emma woolf journalist. Back on the journalist. Shes back on the show about the third or show for about the third or fourth time. Also got fourth time. Ive also got a magician, a very good magician. Watch him with his his watch out for him with his his tricks. P jolly tricks. Thats graham p jolly and got model , tricks. Thats graham p jolly and got model, musician and weve got model, musician and weve got model, musician and entrepreneur chantelle levitin. But first lets go to the. News. The. News. Good evening from the gb newsroom im sam francis. The headunes newsroom im sam francis. The headlines at 7 00. Exactly. First to news from Northern Ireland where the first minister has apologised today to the families of alleged informers who were killed by the ira and she says that shes wholeheartedly committed to heaung wholeheartedly committed to healing wounds of the past. But its after a Major Investigation found more lives were probably lost than saved by a double agent during the troubles. Codenamed stakeknife, he was working for the British Working covertly for the british army inside the iras internal Security Unit operation canova, which was conducted by Bedfordshire Police , examined Bedfordshire Police, examined more than 100 murders