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Polly. Polly middlehurst. Jacob thank you and good evening to you. Well, within the last hour, the metropolitan police has confirmed to us that a complaint has been made against the former tory mp, lee anderson, over comments he made about the london mayor and unknown complainant to unknown complainant went to the met police a day after lee anderson said islamist had control of sadiq khan. The control of sadiq khan. The ex Deputy Tory Party chairman was stripped of the whip after refusing to apologise for his remarks. He has since admitted remarks. He has since admitted his choice of words was clumsy, but said hed been trying to represent concerns of his represent the concerns of his constituents. Its a major constituents. Its a major search and rescue was launched after the bodies of at least three suspected migrants were pulled from the English Channel today , despite the bad weather, today, despite the bad weather, gb news filmed these pictures of an rnli lifeboat rushing in to rescue the small boat , which an rnli lifeboat rushing in to rescue the small boat, which had migrants on board and was getting into difficulties in Poor Visibility and choppy waters. Its believed people smuggling gangs pushed a number of boats into the water throughout the day. 300 people were taken to border force processing centres in dover. Processing centres in dover. Farmers in wales were warning today that their industry is at risk if the Welsh Government goes ahead with proposed changes to farming subsidies outside the welsh parliament. They protested against plans which require 20 of their agriculture land to be set aside for environmental initiatives. The welsh Labour Government insists the changes are necessary to fight Climate Change, but also conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of a consultation. Unions are warning therell be thousands of job losses and the leader of the welsh conservatives told gb news itll be disaster for wales. Well lets not forget people need food to survive and live on their everyday existence, so were not talking about an industry here that isnt required the nation. Required to feed the nation. And we dont have farmers, and if we dont have farmers, we dont food. By the we dont have food. And by the governments figures, if governments own figures, if this scheme ahead and this scheme goes ahead and changed, 5500 farmers will lose their livelihoods 125,000 cattle will lost in wales , 800,000 will be lost in wales, 800,000 sheep and £200 million worth of Economic Activity will be lost. So itll be a devastating income impact on rural communities. So itll be a devastating income impact on rural communities. The impact on rural communities. The length and breadth of wales. Length and breadth of wales. Andrew davies, let me just bnng andrew davies, let me just bring little of bring you a little bit of breaking news. Were receiving from officers from Westminster Police officers have to small pro have responded to a small pro palestinian protest in whitehall , where protesters apparently threw paint at a property. Were told all 15 of those protesters have been arrested for conspiracy to cause criminal damage and are in custody. Thats all we have at the moment. Well try and thats all we have at the moment. Well try and find out thats all we have at the moment. Well try and find out more. Well try and find out more for you. And of course, bring it to you in our next hour of news now. Mps are facing threats to their safety. Well get extra security of a new £31 security as part of a new £31 million government package concert scenes are growing about mps being targeted by protesters since the outbreak of the israel hamas war. The home office says the money will be used to increase private sector security provision and all elected representatives will have a dedicated , named police have a dedicated, named Police Contact to liaise with. And finally, the future site of the uks biggest electric vehicle Battery Manufacturer has been confirmed in somerset. Indian owned tata says it will invest 4 billion in a brownfield site in the bridgwater area of the county. The new plant is expected to create around 4000 jobs and thousands more in the supply chain. Tata says battery production is set to begin there in 2026. Thats the news for the latest stories. Do sign up for gp news alerts. Scan the qr code on the screen right now or go to gbnews. Com slash alerts. Gb news. Com slash alerts. Gbnews. Com slash alerts. Well, its reassuring that everybody is talking about somerset. It really is gods own county. But yesterday was world polar bear day. We dont have polar bear day. We dont have polar bears in somerset, but it was world polar bear day and the Global Warming policy foundation has published its annual report on polar bear population statistics. And as it happens, statistics. And as it happens, 2023 was an excellent year for polar bears. Since 1960s, in spite of the constant apocalyptic doom stares in their predictions, the polar bear population has nearly tripled to over 32,000, but polar bears are a metaphor for the Climate Change agenda. For decades, weve been warned about the apocalypse, and on many occasions, the Climate Changes lobby have been wrong about its assertions. Nearly ten years assertions. Nearly ten years ago, the guardian wrote an obituary for the Great Barrier reef. Obituary for the Great Barrier reef. Yet it was in 2022 that reef. Yet it was in 2022 that scientists revealed two thirds of the reef as the highest coral coverage since records began. Coverage since records began. What about last summer, when the wildfire hysteria reached its apex . Remember for the fear mongering front page from the evening standard, but none of the broadcasters or news institutions except gb news bothered to mention that, according to both the Royal Society and to nasa, total global areas burned by wildfires is at a 25 year low. Global areas burned by wildfires is at a 25 year low. Now, thats is at a 25 year low. Now, thats not to say that Climate Change isnt occurring, and we can do things to help in that respect, but the hysteria has serious consequences for policy, Climate Change committee is an increasingly powerful and influential, Unaccountable Institution that holds sway over government policy. See the government policy. See the Climate Change act, which established the committee, requires the government to commit to legally binding carbon budgets as a stepping stone to achieving net zero by 2050. And were currently on our fourth carbon budget for the years 2023 to 2027, and weve over achieved by about 391 Million Tonnes of Carbon Dioxide , 15 or so of the Carbon Dioxide, 15 or so of the total budget. But the climate total budget. But the Climate Change committee is warning against carrying over these surplus emissions, claiming that future carbon budgets will require an increase in the pace and breadth of decarbonisation. And breadth of decarbonisation. According to the letter written to the climate minister, graham stuart, the letter also cites pledges made at the dubai cop 28 wmmw pledges made at the dubai cop 28 summit. But what is the point of setting carpet budgets if, when we overachieve in certain areas we overachieve in certain areas we cant carry over the surplus . Thats how budgeting works. But thats how budgeting works. But its beyond that because the real budget is how much does this cost in pounds, shillings and pence . And we see the news from wales that welsh farmers are worried that theyre going to be put out of business because these costs are rising. The steel industry. I was in scunthorpe a few weeks ago is already being put out of business because of these very high Energy Prices. Our energy high Energy Prices. Our energy pnces high Energy Prices. Our Energy Prices are electricity prices are more than double those in the United States. And this is damaging our economy , lowering damaging our economy, lowering the standard of living and making us all poorer. The United States and china are not following our lead. The idea that other nations will look at what blighty is doing and think, well, they must do it too, has always been for the birds hopelessly optimistic and an unreasonable idle expectation of the way we are viewed in the world nowadays. Um, so were stuck with low growth because of an unaccounted committee and flawed policy. So of course we flawed policy. So of course we should Carry Forward the unused Carbon Dioxide from the previous budget. But time has come to budget. But the time has come to focus on and standard of focus on growth and standard of living not romantic but living, not on a romantic but impoverishing, idle as ever. Let me know your thoughts. Male me know your thoughts. Male margaret gb news. Com and im delighted to be joined now by tom burke, co founder and chairman of erg, the Climate Change think tank. Tom, thank you very much for coming in. Happy to be here. Happy to be here. Um, weve over achieved this budget is spare it means we can slow the pace and wait until the technology is ready or its affordable. Actually, it doesnt, but ill come to that in a minute because i think its rather extraordinary for you as a member of parliament to describe a Climate Change committee created by parliament as unaccountable. Exactly what youre there for, exactly what youre there for, exactly what youre there for is to account for it. If you created it unaccountably, well, we can aboush unaccountably, well, we can abolish because you. Yes, of course you can. Couise you can. Course you can. You can abolish it. Of course you can. Is true. Absolutely that is true. Absolutely right. If right. Currently you think if you think its doing the wrong things, currently is things, currently it is unaccountable. No, not unaccountable. No, its not unaccountable. Its like saying every public body is unaccountable thats unaccountable. No, no, thats not it accountable not who should it be accountable to normal bodies to because normal public bodies are to ministers. Are accountable to ministers. Well, the Climate Change committee is not accountable to ministers specifically said in order to do something, which i would have thought would be would have thought you would be very that , it very much in favour of that, it should accountable to should be accountable to parliament, but not accountable to government , because to government, because governments dont always do what parliamentarians them to do. No, because system do. No, because our system of government the executive runs government is the executive runs day day business on laws day to day business on laws passed by parliament that ministers are accountable to parliament, not other bodies, not third party bodies. Ministers represent the decisions of government to a democratically elect, accountable parliament, and they then have the ability to change those decisions. If parliament those decisions. If parliament doesnt doesnt doesnt agree, this doesnt apply with the Climate Change committee. Chairman the committee. The chairman of the climate doesnt Climate Change committee doesnt answer on the of answer questions on the floor of the house. W w. No. Thats true. It doesnt apply. Youre absolutely right about doesnt apply to the about it doesnt apply to the Climate Change committee because parliament decided shouldnt parliament decided it shouldnt do. , for a do. And whats more, for a government which you are government of which you are a supporter made that decision , supporter made that decision, didnt know the Climate Change Committee Established under didnt know the Climate Change conclimate established under didnt know the Climate Change conClimate Change blished under didnt know the Climate Change conClimate Change act,|ed under didnt know the Climate Change conClimate Change act, underder the Climate Change act, under the Climate Change act, under the blair brown years. It predates this administration. Even so, as a government with a clear majority, if you thought it unaccountable and it was unaccountable and shouldnt be, had shouldnt be, you had a perfectly Good Opportunity. It but you had perfectly good but you had a perfectly Good Opportunity change opportunity to change the legislation. Could have legislation. But you could have made accountable in any other made it accountable in any other way. Made it accountable in any other wayaccountability is the day to accountability is the day to day accountability that a minister called to. The minister can be called to. The despatch day despatch box on any day Parliament Sitting to defend parliament is sitting to defend policy. Climate change policy. This Climate Change Committee Sends out a letter saying what policy should be . We cant call him to the floor of the house of commons to answer. He is only accountable if you take nuclear of take the Nuclear Option of abolishing his committee. Many more you have you have many more opfions you have you have many more options you can you options than that. You can you can the Climate Change can make the Climate Change committee accountable to a minister what you wish minister if thats what you wish to do. Thats why youre having ministerial accountability. Its until you do that, its not accountable. The accountable. Which was the point. Making. Point. I was making. But then youre making a rather trivial point. No im not. No im not. Making a standards of you are making a standards of our which that our constitution, which is that ministers accountable to ministers are accountable to policy, parliament for policy, to parliament for policy, to parliament for policy, not third party bodies who are unaccountable. Who are unaccountable. Thats the whole point of it. Thats the whole point of it. Are an enormous number there are an enormous number of bodies are of public bodies that are not directly they are directly accountable. They are only accountable through ministers. You think this ministers. If you think this body be, you have two body should be, you have two questions to answer. Why in the first did parliament, of first place, did parliament, of which member, which you were a member, agree for not to be accountable in for it . Not to be accountable in that way . That traditional way . It came in . Remember when it came in . Remember when it came in . Forgive me, i havent well, forgive me, i havent been your career been following your career closely. Closely. E you say these no, but if you say these things, them right. Well, thats absolutely true. As should you. Uh, and the key point is youve been able point is youve always been able to amendment to to make an amendment to move, to try to have try and change that, to have private members bill of private members bill lots of tools. Thought private tools. If you thought private members never get through members bills never get through like , well, you know like that, well, you know perfectly like that, well, you know per well, like that, well, you know perwell, because the, as you well, because the, as you know, the know, perfectly well, the reality if the climate reality is, if the Climate Change committee was acting in a way contrary our way that was contrary to our constitution , you have whole constitution, you have a whole range of you can do about range of things you can do about that system. Works on the basis of accountability to of ministerial accountability to parliament, when you set up parliament, that when you set up third party bodies that are not directly accountable, then their Decision Making can go on unchallenged. This is a bad precedent and its done with other bodies. Youre quite right. And this has been one of the great mistakes of Public Policy in recent years. Youve got Natural England and other bodies, the Environment Agency , bodies, the Environment Agency, that are similarly unaccountable , and it leads to decisions being made that my constituents cant get changed if they come to me and seek redress of grievance over a decision made by a minister, then you can use parliamentary mechanisms to hold that to account. When its made by an unaccountable body. You cant. This reduces our democratic rights. This is bad government. Well, im always in favour of increasing our democratic rights. Absolutely right. I go for water representation right away. I know you wont support that, feel so that, but if you feel so strongly less well represented, if you feel so strongly about that and youre you have members in your government which is now for 2010, been charge. For since 2010, been in charge. Why have you not done anything to change it . Think this to change it . If you think this is really important is a really important constitutional we constitutional issue, why are we having debate now . Because having this debate now . Because its the first ive had its the first time ive had this with anybody , this debate with anybody, because made sense because these bodies made sense when we were still a member of the European Union. Part of the change of its part of the change of brexit. They make sense brexit. Why did they make sense then . The rules they then . Because the rules they were following were et accountable parliament, accountable to parliament, but were European Union. Were from the European Union. And weve is we have and what weve done is we have disconnected from the European Union bodies with no union, left these bodies with no accountability. And this is a terrible political mistake because Climate Change because this this Climate Change committee risks ruining our economy. And weve seen the electricity figures, the decline in electricity usage that we have had and the lack of Economic Growth and lack of productivity growth that weve had. Um and weve got a Climate Change committee that is compounding that. And what we want who are want is ministers who are sensitive to public opinion, sensitive to public opinion, sensitive to public opinion, sensitive to the electorate changing these decisions. And this something needs to this is something that needs to be think quite an i think its quite an extraordinary thing you to extraordinary thing for you to blame of on blame our absence of growth on the change committee. The Climate Change committee. I wish it were that but wish it were that powerful. But it is. It really is. I blame on our high energy i blame it on our high Energy Prices, come from prices, which come in part from the Climate Change and from prices, which come in part from the Climate Change and from prices, which come in part from the Climate Change and from prices, which come in part from the Climate Change committee. � n yes. Well, actually they come more, bills more, especially the bills for people, people live people, ordinary people who live every economy. They every day in our economy. They come fact that come from the fact that this government stopped, helping government stopped, uh, helping people insulate their homes. People to insulate their homes. And bills have gone up. And so bills have gone up. A tiny so thats thats a tiny proportion it. So thats thats a tiny proportion it. It comes from so thats thats a tiny pr0|fact n it. It comes from so thats thats a tiny pr0|fact it it. It comes from so thats thats a tiny pr0|fact it comes it comes from so thats thats a tiny pr0|fact it comes from nes from so thats thats a tiny pr0|fact it comes from the from so thats thats a tiny pr0|fact it comes from the fact the fact it comes from the fact that are , through policy that we are, through policy measures, putting extra charges on bills, through the extra charges of the network that come to prepare it for getting to net zero. Im very interested. This is adding 20 or 30 to our bills and what you think is minor. The cost because of the Energy Price Guarantee , the cost Energy Price Guarantee, the cost of not having insulated the houses we would otherwise have insulated is about £125 insulated is about £12. 5 billion. So why do you think thats unimportant . Youre taking extraordinary penod youre taking extraordinary period when we underrate peoples bills, when prices raise very heavily, prices come right back down. Yeah. Oh thats true. I just simply say, and if wed had fracking, we would never have got into this position, which would have been a marvellous , would have been a marvellous, cheap source energy. Cheap source of energy. Now what we do is we and now what we do is we import fracked gas from the united at higher price. United states at a higher price. Its policy. Its a crazy policy. Was crazy policy to well, it was crazy policy to try and do it. The idea that we were going frack gas were ever going to frack gas economically was just economically in britain was just an of on billions , an idea of people on billions, trillions of cubic feet of gas. Oh , well, we also be much cheapen were also sitting on billions of tons of coal, which that too. But thats our discussion. Next time because coming up next, thank you very much. Coming up next, the pint sized buonaparte. Macron buonaparte. Monsieur macron wants to drag the west into world with russia. But world war iii with russia. But has learned nothing from his has he learned nothing from his inspiration . One plus 140,000 inspiration . One plus 140,000 small and medium sized businesses have been de banking especially, i think, by barclays. Thats. Well, its good to welcome you back. Weve been talking about polar bears and the enormous rise in the number of them along with the Climate Change committee the committee trying to ruin the economy, how economy, jim says. How refreshing we in the west are destroying our economies following this cult new religion. Must be making religion. Someone must be making a of money perpetuate this a lot of money perpetuate this net zero scam. Philip, why do we even have carbon budget to begin with . Who approved this . With . Who approved of this . Well, to say well, im sorry to Say Parliament did i think it was a mistake . Roger. Jacob pounds, shillings pence. Really shillings and pence. Really 20th century its an century currency. Its an expression once allowed to use expressions, even old ones. I hope so, um , what has been hope so, um, what has been happening now is that Emmanuel Macron has suggested that there should be western boots on the ground in ukraine, or at any rate , they shouldnt be ruled rate, they shouldnt be ruled out. The french president lobbed this diplomatic hand grenade on monday before step varne sojourn. The French Foreign minister laid down covering fire for mr macron on tuesday by suggesting that any nato deployment to ukraine would be limited to training and advisory missions. The among nato missions. The rift among nato allies has predictably delighted moscow, and they have warned that nato force of any kind in that a nato force of any kind in ukraine would to all out ukraine would lead to all out war. Macrons idea may have split but is not wholly split nato, but is not wholly without advisers and without precedent. Advisers and trainers from both sides were present for many years. Many of the wars proxy conflicts the cold wars proxy conflicts soviet even flew combat soviet pilots even flew combat missions against us forces dunng missions against us forces during the korean war. So what are the risks and why is president macron suggesting a red line at this time . Well, with me now is richard sakwa, a noted expert on the war in ukraine and professor of russian and european politics at the university of kent. Richard, thank you very much for joining me. Does macron have a point . Do we need to do to help make we need to do this to help make sure ukraine wins . Sure ukraine wins . No, in fact, the opposite. I no, in fact, the opposite. I think that his statement is a sign that perhaps the west is beginning to feel that they may not win the war. So its a sign of desperation rather than a forward thinking strategic move. What hes done strategic move. What hes done is opened the discussion. He did say, of course everything should be on the table. He didnt say be on the table. He didnt say that. Its immediately going to happen, but hes opened what people call the overton window of whats permissible to talk about. Okay. And so having opened it , have the other nato members like the uk , closed it again like the uk, closed it again because the reactions been quite swift, hasnt it . And the concern about allowing this war to escalate into a war between russia and the west is a is a serious one. Yes yes. After the comment, whole stack of countries germany, uk , stack of countries germany, uk, um others um, have said that theres no immediate prospect for um direct forces. Nato forces to be engaged on the other hand, what uh, macron was thinking about, i think was bilateral, uh, engagement. So it bilateral, uh, engagement. So it wasnt going to be a nato force. And in any case, there are forces there already. Theres, uh, giving technical support. Theres special units , theres theres special units, theres intelligence operations , as you intelligence operations, as you saw in the new york times, just the other day, uh, there cia, 12 cia bases, main command centre. So nato is fully involved even now. How. Now. And youre worried that this is a sign of desperation . So is a sign of desperation . So what can we do to help ukraine . Or are you genuinely concerned that russia has the upper hand . That russia has the upper hand . Well, i mean, its clear russia does have the upper hand. Whether i like it or not. Uh, its moving forwards. The other day, um , the major bastion town day, um, the major bastion town of avdiivka fell, uh, and russias pushing forwards. I think that some people are arguing now that it could even the line of contact at the moment, which has been more or less in stalemate for the last few months, could collapse fairly soon. So what i think another of the participants in this meeting in paris, where they talked about this, was the Prime Minister of slovakia, Robert Fitzhugh , and he came out Robert Fitzhugh, and he came out of this meeting and said what he was astonished about was that no one talked about peace or any negotiation process. So theres negotiation process. So theres martial spirit isnt going to get anywhere because russias got Nuclear Weapons at the end of the day. So its always got what obama said. Uh, maybe your favourite person, uh, escalation dominance. So in that context, we should step back and not escalate, but think of a way to get some peace out of this, some sort of honourable peace for all sides. Sides. But russia has always had that escalation option. But that escalation option. But weve got the same, havent we . So the deterrence ability or the deterrence reality of Nuclear Weapons works for, for both sides. If putin were to go down that route and if hes not a complete madman, then you must assume that it will carry on as assume that it will carry on as a conventional war. No , uh, its quite possible , no, uh, its quite possible, but theres plenty of talk in russia. Dont forget that putin is under huge pressure from even hardliners to do something against this endless escalation. If you, as macron said, first of all, they said they werent going to supply tanks. Then they did. They werent going to did. They werent going to supply f 16s. And then they supply the f 16s. And then they did. So in moscow. The supply the f 16s. And then they did. So in moscow. The debate did. So in moscow. The debate is, come guys , weve is, look, come on, guys, weve got to fight back and some are arguing a perhaps a pre Emptive Nuclear strike, a small one, but to just bring the west to its senses. I to just bring the west to its senses. I mean, its to just bring the west to its senses. I mean, its crazy all senses. I mean, its crazy all talk, but both sides go escalation. But we could slide into a nuclear confrontation. I think thats the huge danger at this time. This time. Well, isnt there a risk that even a Small Nuclear strike would lead to russia just being wiped out by the us . I mean , the wiped out by the us . I mean, the us overwhelming firepower in us has overwhelming firepower in Nuclear Weapons and might use it that they cant be certain that the us would just accept a nuclear strike. Well, exactly. Or it could go the other way. Hang on. Theyre saying this is just so dangerous. We ought to sit down and start negotiating. What are russias what are russias demands . What are ukraines demands . What are the wests but forget wests demands . But dont forget that west pushing it that it was the west pushing it forwards against endless warnings, which , uh, provoked warnings, which, uh, provoked a warnings, which, uh, provoked a war in the first place. Im not justifying it, of course, but im saying it would have to explain the context the explain the context and the history behind and only by history behind it. And only by understanding we begin understanding that can we begin to find some sort sensible to find some sort of sensible exit strategy with a bit of luck, russia will stay. They luck, russia will stay. They will be still in existence at the end of this war. Ukraine, hopefully, as well. And we also so. So we must start now to so. So we must start now to think of a way out. Not by sending more weapons and putting boots on the ground. This is how vietnam happened. Dont forget, theres endless talk of domino theory and so on, which proved in the end totally mistaken. In the end totally mistaken. Well, thank you very much, richard. With me now is civitas richard. With me now is civitas senior fellow robert clark, who has just arrived home from ukraine. Um, robert , thank you ukraine. Um, robert, thank you very much for joining ukraine. Um, robert, thank you very much forjoining me. Ukraine. Um, robert, thank you very much forjoining me. What very much forjoining me. What were you seeing on the ground when were in ukraine . When you were in ukraine . Oh, thank you very much for having me. Good evening. Um so i was in kyiv and a bit further north in the chernihiv oblast. Um, and i was lucky enough to meet with several, uh, fighters and Ukrainian Armed forces who had returned from , uh, both had returned from, uh, both bakhmut and ed davey in recent weeks of fighting. Um, and weeks of fighting. Um, and really, theres four things now that the Ukrainian Armed forces are almost crying out for. Everyone has heard, obviously, of the ammunition and the artillery shortages , which have artillery shortages, which have been compounded by the, uh, indecision both in washington and brussels to release much needed military aid , uh, to needed military aid, uh, to ukraine. Uh, so there is the artillery and the ammunition shortage. Theres also a crying need for, uh, Cyber Defence and, um, uh, increased border security, uh, against the northern border with, with belarus. Um, northern border with, with belarus. Um, but also as well just more importantly, the continued british presence, for example, uh, training Ukrainian Armed forces, uh, here in the uk and in germany, uh, under nato and in germany, uh, under nato and british, uh, frameworks. Thats having a real sort of force multiplier , if you like, force multiplier, if you like, on, on the ground. Um, and also and this comes back to president macrons, uh, incredibly ill thought out and ill conceived of, uh, policy regarding french defence. Uh, and thats also the need for to ukraine really, really, um, uh, de mine and sort of get to grips with the, uh, the problems of the, the mine territory that currently has. Territory that it currently has. Its about the combined size of england. And scotland are currently , uh, mined in ukraine currently, uh, mined in ukraine and theres great operations out there, like the halo trust, uh, and other ngos. But this is where france can play like a leading if you like. Leading role, if you like. France uh, a well renowned france has, uh, a well renowned and well deserved, to fair and well deserved, to be fair expertise de mining. Um, so expertise in de mining. Um, so theres tangible policies that macron can without macron can achieve without trying to grandstand. Um, and sort of coming out of increasingly sort of strange rhetoric. Well i dont know if you heard the interview i was having with richard beforehand, and whether youre worried that we do need to be trying to get a peace , because arms we peace, because how many arms we send , its not going to be send, its not going to be enough, and that russia may need nuclear is that what you feel . The ukrainians would be ready for, or are they still very much feeling that they can win . Feeling that they can win . I think the ukrainians are increasingly, if anything, feeling like they can win despite the troubles and the setbacks they had last year and the counteroffensive. Um, in the counteroffensive. Um, in terms of going forwards , uh, it terms of going forwards, uh, it is almost, uh, a stalemate. Most people dont like to use that phrase, but militarily speaking, its actually quite accurate. Its actually quite accurate. Um, theres going to be no real sign of a push by the ukrainians this year. Theyre trying to consolidate their own defences. Uh, and their own hard won territory. But what the west really needs to do now in terms of helping ukraine further is, uh, really sort of helping the ukrainian domestic defence policy. So increasing ukraines policy. So increasing ukraines organic, uh, ability to regenerate militarily and not just rely on western aid , uh, just rely on western aid, uh, for years to come. We can already see just how depleted in particular british stocks are. Particular british stocks are. And is there more that we can do as the as the west . Obviously theres the support package stuck in congress in the United States , but can the west do more states, but can the west do more to help or has the maximum help been provided . And i wouldnt say the maximum has been provided. Provided. Just to put it into context. Just to put it into context. Um, i know the figure of around £25 billion of, uh, military £2. 5 billion of, uh, military aid to ukraine this year by the British Government does sound like a lot of to money the british taxpayer, who understandably , uh, are dealing understandably, uh, are dealing with the cost of living crisis. With the cost of living crisis. I appreciate that, but to put that figure context, £2. 5 that figure into context, £2. 5 billion is roughly around 5. Uh, of our defence budget. So uh, thats incredibly good. Uh, sort of bang for your buck, if you like. And so in terms of ensuring european security, that could be increased. Of course it can. Uh, but like our own can. Uh, but just like our own hollowed forces and hollowed out armed forces and our depleted budgets, its not just a case of assigning a random, arbitrary figure. Its actually looking where the gaps lie and like i mentioned a moment ago, in terms of air defence, um, cyber capability, de mining and increasing ukraines own organic domestic supply for regenerating militarily, just like the russians are doing at pace and scale. Thats really going to help ukraine go forwards and we can, of course, do more. Can, of course, do more. Well, thank you. Thank you, robert, and thank you so much for bringing your firsthand experience back experience. Um, having come back from recently , coming from ukraine recently, coming up, of sussex have up, the duke of sussex have suffered a blow to his favourite hobby of suing people. Plus has the bbc found a new competitor in the Chinese State welcome back. Weve been talking about ukraine particularly and had some male dogs on that, anna says. Surely ukraine cant win this war unless the west does intervene in. And jeff, isnt it time to sit down for negotiations with putin . Jacob . Which my answer is no , no, putin which my answer is no, no, putin must be defeated. He cannot be allowed to win. Its the threat to the whole of the established law abiding system of the world. If he does likewise, hamas , um, if he does likewise, hamas, um, as weve discussed on the program before, while the duke of sussex insists that he and the duchess want to pursue a life of privacy outside the pubuc life of privacy outside the public eye, he has something of a penchant for suing people. A penchant for suing people. Since relieving himself of his royal duties. Today marks a royal duties. Today marks a court defeat for the duke in his case against the home office, over his right to Automatic Police protection united Police Protection in the united kingdom. Duke lost his kingdom. The duke lost his taxpayer security by the taxpayer funded security by the executive committee for the protection of royalty Public Protection of royalty and public figures, took legal action figures, and took legal action against office in against the home office in february 2020. Today the High Court Ruled in favour of the home office on the grounds that there by the there was no unlawfulness by the committee reaching its committee in reaching its decision. Owing to the decision. But owing to the dukes desire to in the dukes desire to go in the courtroom, even more, he will take to case the court of take the to case the court of appeal. So with me now is my most particularly pugnacious panel most particularly pugnacious panel. Been waiting panel. Youve been waiting for them bated breath. Know them with bated breath. I know them with bated breath. I know the editor sun, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, the kelvin mackenzie, and the historian and broadcaster tessa dunlop. Um, tessa, if you were dunlop. Um, tessa, if you were advising the duke of sussex, would you encourage him to carry on with this fight . I wonder if he will in the long run. Um, hes had relative success, actually, in the courts to date, despite slightly to date, despite that slightly mealy mouthed introduction, jacob and i liked it, but it wasnt mealy mouthed. I feel sorry for him over this question, and i think that the entirety of our press, including you here on gb news, are really asking the wrong question. We get terribly excited about a court case that harrys funding himself against the home office, quite within his rights, because his full Royal Protection has been pulled and its now not going to be given back to him. And we never seek to ask how much we spend, how big the security bill our Royal Security bill is on our royal family the estimates are it exceeds the sovereign grant when freedom of information acts are put forward to find out more, theyre rebutted. In fact , the theyre rebutted. In fact, the repubuc theyre rebutted. In fact, the republic took the government to tribunal on this and again were defeated. We dont know. Its a black hole. The funding is enormous, not just for the individuals , many minor individuals, many minor roles who never had a credible who have never had a credible security unlike harry security threat. Unlike harry and meghan do you and meghan frequently. Do you know that somebody had know that somebody hasnt had a credible security died . You have no idea. And can i be honest with you, with the royal family, with with the kind of people who would blow up manchester, by the way, and those kinds of people, they are just as likely to pick on somebody small and who needs the protection, for instance , take protection, for instance, take that redding park, take that redding park. There were three guys sitting around there along comes a guy with a history of terrorism in libya, and he kills him. How do you know that . If you release the security of those people who you have no account for, that they wont suffer at the same time nicely harrys argument and why hes going to he doesnt appeal. Why hes going to he doesnt appeal. No. Why hes going to he doesnt appeal. No. The great thing about this defeat, appeal. No. The great thing about this defeat , this defeat, about this defeat, this defeat, andifs about this defeat, this defeat, and its a bad defeat and i, i dont feel the same way as you dont feel the same way as you do harry. Im, im, im do about harry. Im, im, im im pleased loses wins im pleased he loses and wins equally is that he will may. Im pleased he loses and wins equally is that he will may. And equally is that he will may. And he threatened this. He said, i will have to think about whether i want to bring my family here and at that, at that i give him and at that, at that i give him a round of applause because i want him off our payroll. And if he chooses not to come here, then that is a triumph. Now allow me to turn to the relative fount of reason relative fount of reason relative to you. That is jacob relative to you. That is Jacob Rees Mogg and i would suggest, given the optics that surrounded , memorial , for example, the Memorial Service georges Chapel Service at Saint Georges chapel this when we had andrew this week, when we had andrew leading the fray , that harry is leading the fray, that harry is sorely missed. If we want our our family to look inclusive , our family to look inclusive, modern and redemptive, we need to him back into the to encourage him back into the fold. And repeat, i know to encourage him back into the fold. And repeat , i know there fold. And i repeat, i know there hasnt been credible security hasnt been a credible security risk, as di davis was one of the Royal Protection officers his Royal Protection officers in his time years. Couldnt time 25 years. He couldnt recall one security risk. And yet paid protection for yet we paid Royal Protection for eugenies year off. All the enormous number of palaces have protection paid for by us. The only time i think ive ever agreed with you. It was ever agreed with you. It was a shocking, shocking picture to see andrew walking, looking enormously pleased with himself, having a very good laugh with life, with a laugh with his ex wife. Right at the head of that of that service. I found that of that service. I found that of that service. I found that absolutely shocking. The senior royal falling senior royal palaces in the royal family, the senior royal present was the not the present was the queen, not the duke of york. Well, the timing was off and that the optics were the queen arrived last and restrained her 5965011. Season. The normal proper way she did. Yeah. Correct. So did. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. So that done. That was all done. The camera doesnt lie. Thats the problem. Actually, the left, thats the problem. Actually, the and left, thats the problem. Actually, the and centre. Left, right and centre. Does because he was just turning up as somebody who who knew greece. Knew the former king of greece. Think now know you well i think i now know you well enough to know that you bear a certain about the certain sadness about the departure harry and meghan departure of harry and meghan and recognise that and you recognise that it has depleted our royal family and i think of course i do. And i think the family does the the royal family does need the numbers because of the enormous pleasure linked King Pleasure that linked to the king gives people across the country. When a member of the royal family turns up and does some dutiful event, its the great line of queen mary. We are never tired and we love hospitals, and they do these Amazing Things and my admiration for the Princess Royalis my admiration for the Princess Royal is enormous because she does this day in, day out. My concern about the duke of sussex is he would not do his duty. Concern about the duke of sussex is he would not do his duty. And is he would not do his duty. And if youre a privileged royal, you have so many things going for you. You have palaces to live in, you have security , you live in, you have security, you have private jets, you have all of this. And in return you have to and thats it. To do your duty. And thats it. And would suggest william , and i would suggest william, by the way, curiously absent for his godfathers , um, memorial his godfathers, um, Memorial Service. William is much more likely to be industrious when he has healthy competition with a credible sibling. And thats the great loss of the sussex ridiculous. Ridiculous. What . That is the most absurd argument. Thats not fact that you hate. Your brother is going to bring out the best in you. He is nothing but a distraction for the royal family and the fact that hes 6000 miles away and you are unique and you attack, you are unique and you attack, you attack jacob, whos sitting there just. Im not attacking. My there just. Im not attacking. My god, whats this . Right. And you are in minority. Its very you are in a minority. Its very nice. This is the good thing about gb news is the minorities who actually actually get a good get a good out. No you are get a good shout out. No you are wrong. Country does not wrong. This country does not require a prince harry to add some competition. At the top of the establishment is william can really do what he likes because there is no other younger royal at the moment. So if he doesnt want to turn on with that, or if he wants to take him on, thats doing wrong, well, it is wrong. Very sick wife because hes got a sick wife that he obviously way, nobody obviously is, by the way, nobody knows wrong with knows what is wrong with princess kate. Was an princess kate. And she was an absolute for us. I agree absolute triumph for us. I agree she supplied the yin yin, she she supplied the yin yin, you know, to this rather stiff man in william, you had this beautiful, of beautiful, outgoing, kind of person who was doing such a good job. Shes not on the scene now. So our problems that job. Shes not on the scene now. So dont our problems that job. Shes not on the scene now. So dont our anybody that job. Shes not on the scene now. So dont our anybody else, at job. Shes not on the scene now. So dont our anybody else, and we dont have anybody else, and i do not want to see harry come back here. Having given us, honestly, an entire nation , a honestly, an entire nation, a huge v sign and now hes been told you , you can pay for your told you, you can pay for your own, you can pay for your own security. Thats how its been considered. And im very glad to see that coming up on one our see that coming up on one of our conversations because conversations is tiktok, because while the gb news while here on the gb news platform, most people may agree with are other with you, there are other audiences and other generations who feel , oh contract the who feel, oh contract the opinion polling. Opinion polling. You are the duke of the opinion polling for duke of sussex poor. Sussex is very poor. Its poor, among its poor, especially among the but the case. The elderly, but not the case. Even young, its even with the young, its collapsed. To be very collapsed. It used to be very high, but from a high base prism through which harry and meghan are cast through are cast, theyre cast through our press, which is almost 100 given them. Its always been like this. Here lies fred, who was alive and now dead. Had was alive and now is dead. Had it his father, id have it been his father, id have rather it been mother. Rather had it been his mother. Still than had still better than another. Had it whole generation in it been the whole generation in still better than the nation. But was alive. But it was fred who was alive. And now hes dead. That was said of prince of wales, of frederick, prince of wales, the of george the third. The father of george the third. Thanks panel. Ill have thanks to my panel. Ill have them a to discuss them back in a moment to discuss them back in a moment to discuss the metropolitan the news that the metropolitan police it has police has confirmed it has received lee received a complaint about Lee Andersons comments regarding the london, plus , a new the mayor of london, plus, a new report has revealed twice as many using the many young people are using the chinese owned tiktok for their news rather than the eu loving bbc. And im not sure. Bbc. And im not sure. On Patrick Christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. Its the question every ones asking can the Prime Minister confirm whether he , minister confirm whether he, too, would welcome mr farage back into the tory fold . Nigel back into the tory fold . Nigel farage is on to give you the answer and Suella Braverman bites back. They are in britain, but not of britain. Of britain. Has multiculturalism failed and should mps be cowering away in their own homes, hiding from the baying mob . And we are the only channel with the inside story on why Prince William missed yesterdays royal event. Dont miss Patrick Christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. Be there welcome back. Weve been talking about the duke and duchess of sussex, particularly the duke and his security. Daryl says i think harry will never let the issue of protection lie. He will always believe he is entitled to protection because he believes always believe he is entitled to proisction because he believes always believe he is entitled to prois still because he believes always believe he is entitled to prois still royal. Se he believes always believe he is entitled to prois still royal. Janee believes always believe he is entitled to prois still royal. Jane says eves he is still royal. Jane says its so tragic whats happened to harry, a young man who loved doing charity work and loved africa. Now living in america, occasionally over to sue occasionally popping over to sue people in britain. Now, i agree it and alex, the it is rather sad. And alex, the dukes title, ought to be stripped a new jacob has a legislator power to do legislator have the power to do that. And its a very interesting point. It would interesting point. It would require parliament, require an act of parliament, and not sure that its and im not sure that its proportionate to have an act of parliament now parliament in this regard. Now i say every day that your favourite part is listening to polly read the news, and im sure you were listening carefully because she reported the program the beginning of the program that police has that the metropolitan police has confirmed that a complaint has been made against former tory mp , and he is really still a tory. Lee anderson, over comments he made the london mayor, an made about the london mayor, an unknown complainant went to metropolitan after metropolitan police a day after the lee anderson said islamists had control of sadiq khan, as ive already said, lees comments were infelicitous but they werent racist and certainly shouldnt be a matter for the police. While my most pugnacious panel is still with me, Kelvin Mckenzie and tessa dunlop. Kelvin, you dont like dunlop. Kelvin, you dont like what lee says, do you . You think what lee says, do you . You think he was wrong to say hes perfectly entitled to say it, but. But what he should have done, and this is whats caused him a lot of problems and actually caused the strangely, the conservative party, a huge amount of problems is that he should have said and this is the reason why i believe this. Here is the facts of whats happened under sadiq khan in relation to islam. And in relation to crime, and in relation to money, and in relation to tfl and bullet, bullet, bullet. Then he would have won all hands up, right. He wouldnt have been kicked out of the party and wouldnt be the party and he wouldnt be facing is a ludicrous facing what is a ludicrous complaint the police about complaint to the police about something which is not racist. It just its part of the bef and why. And the guy who could sue him, of course, would sadiq khan he he wont. This is the greatest thing thats happened to sadiq khan. If thought he to sadiq khan. If he thought he was a marginally in was going to win a marginally in london, wasnt may london, which he wasnt in may he a country he will now win by a country mile because of this. Its a its a low moment for the conservative party. But its a really low moment for the police that this sort of nonsense goes to them because now politicians will be thinking they come on programs like this instead of i can say instead of thinking, i can say what like, im entitled to what i like, im entitled to freedom speech. I can be rude freedom of speech. I can be rude about other politicians. They now better be now think, well, i better be watching shoulder in watching over my shoulder in case knacker of the yard is after me, right . I think to be clear i think we need to be clear here about what we mean when were of were talking of freedom of speech. We have total speech. We dont have total freedom speech in this freedom of speech in this country. Cant incite racial country. I cant incite racial hatred. I cant incite hatred on the basis of your religion , or the basis of your religion, or indeed on the basis of your sexual orientation. Jacob now where the rub comes in here is that people keep on bandying around the terme races , but when around the terme races, but when actually this is not a racist issue, prejudice against muslims could come under a bit of an umbrella about what you look like and where you come from, but actually, um, this is about being anti a religion. I believe strongly because i think that there are aspects of judaism , there are aspects of judaism, islam and christianity that are pretty misogynist and illiberal. And i want to be able to talk rudely about all three of those abrahamic races. So i absolutely support right that. But support my right to do that. But where anderson may have where lee anderson may have crossed the legal line by inferring that islamists had sort of hijacked love aiden, was that hateful . Was that hateful towards sadiq khan on the basis of his religion . Of his religion . You dont believe. You dont believe that . No. How long . How long will this let the fate of women within . No. He hes trying to get balance here, within. Within a week to ten days. This whole thing will come to an end, right . This whole thing will come to an end, right . This is just a piece of nonsense. Probably put up by if nonsense. Probably put up by if i were sadiq khan, id complain. Right because honestly, keep this. Keep this row going. Because every time this row goes on, he will increase his majority. But there is a keen question here. And one of the reasons, i think, why think its not think, why people think its not fair, especially those on the think, why people think its not fair, and cially those on the think, why people think its not fair, and proceed se on the think, why people think its not fair, and proceed andyn the think, why people think its not fair, and proceed and stuffs left, and proceed and stuff whenever. For example, rishi sunak he sunak at the weekend said he condemns and condemns all prejudice and anti semitism and the reason why i believe , i hope im writing i believe, i hope im writing giving him the benefit of the doubt here. He didnt say islamophobia because islamophobia is because anti semitism racial anti semitism is about racial hatred jews , and hatred towards jews, and islamophobia is about hatred towards islam. And theyre two very different things. One is illegal, the other one might not be, but the question of hatred is very difficult because you mention this on religion , and mention this on religion, and you must be free to say that you think religions are wrong. Must be free to say that i must be free to say that i think the truth is held by the catholic church, that catholic church, and that what it teaches right. And where catholic church, and that what it teaychurchesjht. And where catholic church, and that what it teaychurches disagree, where catholic church, and that what it teaychurches disagree, they; other churches disagree, they must axiomatically be wrong and that must be freedom of speech. Its not hateful, but it depends how you frame it. If i lob abuse at you and make unfounded and lees are, as kelvin pointed out, his accusations have proved unfounded accusations about you. No, no no no its not. Theyre unfounded. Well, they theyre unfounded. Well, they need to be found. He didnt make he didnt make the argument. And it it not make making the it it not make it not making the argument. He has caused a argument. He has caused a phenomenal problem for the for the aspect of it which i care about, is actually the about, which is actually the conservative party and also but if i lob accusations that youre on basis of your on the basis of your catholicism, that jacob that pope loving so and so all his popery is , you know, putting the popery is, you know, putting the house of parliament, then that you could then sue me for inciteful you wouldnt be inciting violence by doing that hatred on the basis of your religion. If you were to say that i voted the way in voted the wrong way in parliament because my parliament because i took my whip from the holy father, that would perfectly reasonable. Whip from the holy father, that would not ectly reasonable. Whip from the holy father, that would not ectlylaw. ;onable. Whip from the holy father, that would not ectlylaw. Itsible. Thats not the law. Its perfectly reasonable. The thing here is that in but the thing here is that in the there have been the protests, there have been islamists. Have been islamists. There have been people who have been calling for jihad. Have you wished to jihad. How have you wished to define it . There been define it . There have been people who been calling for people who have been calling for the to be removed the jewish people to be removed from and the police from palestine. And the police have done nothing about this. And on the flip side, there have been politicians who have talked hate and talked about hate marches and referred in referred to islamists in an unfounded sides, unfounded way. So both sides, the transgressed the police have transgressed very that is very very little about that is very weak it right weak about policing it right now. Thats interesting. That if you say now it seems that if you Say Something , youre in trouble something, youre in trouble with the police. Now, the police in the west, in the west and the west, islam must be subject to critiques. Im astonished, sir, that you wouldnt have a massive problem about islam , a massive problem about islam, a massive problem about, uh , about the sexuality, about, uh, about the sexuality, about, uh, about the sexuality, about the role of women. They made it clear how how workplaces are affected by by dominant , um, are affected by by dominant, um, muslim employment because of the multiple prayers and the time thats spent doing that kind of thing. Theres a whole series of things which we can criticise. My things which we can criticise. My point about, uh, about him is that in the end , in the end, he that in the end, in the end, he didnt do that. And he had an open goal. He is a powerful man. I just want to give you a point on misinformation because as i understand it, this complaint been made. The complaint has been made. The police perfectly police would be perfectly able to are not entertaining to say, we are not entertaining this and and they this and it ends. And they havent that right. Havent done that right. Likewise, there have been and likewise, there have been many about many complaints about about the protesters looking for a ceasefire that have been referred police have referred to the police and have been investigated. So to suggest theyre investigating ones theyre only investigating ones on the the right, if you on the on the right, if you like, or on the pro israel side is missing, theyre not doing enough. And thats from im and thats all from me. Im so we missed out tiktok so sorry we missed out tiktok news and on because we news and so on because we thought the lee anderson story was important. Patrick was more important. Um, Patrick Christys what is on christys is up next. What is on the evening, the bill this evening, patrick . Suella braverman tees well, Suella Braverman tees off bit later on on my off a little bit later on on my show. Uh nigel farage is joining me well. The pressure is me as well. The pressure is mounting grey hoyle mounting on starmer. Grey hoyle and rayner and were not going to let them off that easily. And weve got the inside story. Jacob as well. On why william missed that service. Oh thats going to be very exciting. But dont be mean to mr speaken he but dont be mean to mr speaker. He is a good man and a fair man and an honest man and a very good speaker by and large. So i think we want her back. Lindsay hoyle um, thats all from me. Ill Lindsay Hoyle um, thats all from me. Ill be Lindsay Hoyle um, thats all from me. Ill be back tomorrow from me. Ill be back tomorrow at 8 00. Im Jacob Rees Mogg. This has been state of the nafion this has been state of the nation and the weather in somerset. Nation and the weather in somerset. Nigel nation and the weather in somerset. Nigel tells nation and the weather in somerset. Nigel tells me its better even than mar a lago. So. Better even than mar a lago. So. A brighter outlook with boxer , sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the metalfest with the gb news forecast. Mild with the gb news forecast. Mild at first, but were going to see outbreaks of rain move across the country over the next 24 hours, ushering in Colder Weather by friday. Now weve got low at the moment, low pressure at the moment, anchored northwest anchored to the northwest of scotland, bringing a series of weather fronts in. But those weather fronts in. But those weather fronts in. But those weather fronts contain mild , weather fronts contain mild, albeit cloudy and increasingly wet weather. The wettest weather will be across scotland through the evening into northern england, and eventually clearing from that rain sweeping from wales. That rain sweeping into the midlands, east anglia and the south east. By the end of the night, where weve got the it stays the cloud and rain, it stays mild. 8 to 10 celsius but clearer spells scotland and clearer spells for scotland and northern here as Northern Ireland. Colder here as we , blustery we begin thursday, but blustery with , winds, gales for with strength, winds, gales for the west and the north of scotland and quite a number of showers moving in across Northern Ireland and scotland. Northern ireland and scotland. Those showers in the colder air falling as snow above around 2 or 300m. The showers also falling into wales in the southwest but east anglia in the south east stays dull and damp through the day, albeit with milder air in place. The cold conditions, though, develop widely by friday, with a system bringing some outbreaks of rain and hill snow to wales. The nonh and hill snow to wales. The north midlands, northern england, Northern Ireland and eventually into parts of scotland. Rain showers for the scotland. Rain showers for the south and in the far north it stays bright, but by saturday and sunday many places will be a little milder, with a mix of bright spells and showers. Highs bright spells and showers. Highs of 11 celsius looks like things are heating up. Are heating up. Boxt boilers sponsor of weather on. Gb news you with gb news. Its 11 00 you with gb news. Its11 00 and the top story tonight the family of murder victim Emma Caldwell say police in scotland failed their daughter and the rape victims of her killer due to a toxic culture of misogyny and corruption. At the time, 51 year corruption. At the time, 51 year old serial rapist ian parker was jailed for life today for murdering the 27 year old sex worker in scotland 19 years ago. After trawling the red light district for victims. The judge said he carried out an Extraordinary Campaign of Sexual Violence , including the violence, including the terrifying murder of emma. Her family is calling for a Public Inquiry into how parkers crimes were investigated after the police apologised for its failings as a major search and rescue operation was launched in the English Channel this afternoon after the bodies of at least three suspected migrants were pulled from the water. Gb news filmed pictures of an rnli lifeboat rushing in bad weather to rescue the small boat , which to rescue the small boat, which had migrants on board and was getting into difficulties in Poor Visibility and choppy waters. Its believed people smuggling