Unprecedented grilling from mps over the broadcasters failure to label hamas as a terrorist organisation. Seven conservative organisation. Seven conservative mps are understood to have become increasingly concerned over the bbcs coverage of the israel hamas conflict. But israel hamas conflict. But todays meeting was requested by the 1922 committee, which represents conservative backbenchers to mp Jonathan Gullis spoke to gb news after the meeting, saying he was shocked that tim davie would not agree to calling Hamas Terrorists because it may hurt some peoples feelings. Some peoples feelings. To me this is mind boggling. Everyone knows that hamas is a terrorist organisation, its a proscribed terrorist organisation here in this country. Every other News Agency Like the great gb news also considers this to be a terrorist organisation mission, while on earth the director general thinks is going on. I dont know. But he is so far out of touch with the people of this great country, and particularly the jewish community. Not just great country, and particularly the j butih community. Not just great country, and particularly the j butih comnthe ty. Not just great country, and particularly therutih comnthe world. Just great country, and particularly therutih comnthe world. Hes here but around the world. Hes brought this brought shame upon this institution made institution and has made the case. Now than ever, case. Why now more than ever, the taxpayer should the british taxpayer should not have to continue paying the telly tax. Well, israels Prime Minister in the meantime, says all hamas fighters are doomed , as he warns fighters are doomed, as he warns his country is now preparing for a Ground Invasion of gaza. Benjamin netanyahu refused to give details of the planned offensive, but again urged palestinians in the gaza strip to evacuate to the south of the country. Israel has reportedly country. Israel has reportedly agreed to delay its Ground Invasion to allow the us to place Missile Defence systems around their assets in the middle east. Meanwhile, here the Prime Minister is refusing to support calls for a ceasefire, despite pressure from more than 80 mp5 despite pressure from more than 80 mps to do so. Instead, rishi 80 mps to do so. Instead, rishi sunakis 80 mps to do so. Instead, rishi sunak is backing what he calls specific pauses in the conflict to allow for the Safe Delivery of aid to the territory. Five of aid to the territory. Five british people are still among more than 200 still being held hostage in gaza. Politics and hostage in gaza. Politics and peter bowen has been suspended from the house of commons for six weeks over bullying and Sexual Misconduct of a staff member. The wellingborough mp, who denies the allegations , has who denies the allegations, has already been expelled from the tory party and that means another by election is looming now for rishi sunak is a call petition will be arranged. At a petition will be arranged. At a campaign against antisemitic demonstrations. Has taken part taken place rather in new Scotland Yard in london, hundreds gathered outside the Police Headquarters to protest against the National March for palestine planned for this saturday in london. The group has written to the metropolitan police asking that appropriate conditions be imposed on the march. Theyre calling on new march. Theyre calling on new Scotland Yard for the law to be upheld, saying arrests make arrests , not excuses. A former arrests, not excuses. A former South Wales Police officer has been jailed for life with a minimum term to serve of 12 years for Sexual Offences against children. Louis edwards used fake social media accounts and posed as a teenager to groom more than 200 young girls online. He forced his victims to take indecent videos and images of themselves, then, using the material to blackmail them. In material to blackmail them. In sentencing, the judge described his behaviour as cruel and sadistic. And lastly, an diamond sadistic. And lastly, an diamond has been made an obe at Buckingham Palace today , the Buckingham Palace today, the journalist and news presenter received the honour from his majesty king charles for her services to Public Health and charity. It recognised her charity. It recognised her campaigning efforts for research into cot death following the death of her own son, sebastian, from sudden infant death syndrome. Shes called the moment a crowning achievement to everyone , one who helped her everyone, one who helped her campaign. This is gb news across campaign. This is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your smart speaken Digital Radio and on your smart speaker. By saying play gb news this is britains news channel. This is britains news channel. The socialist secretary general of the United Nations and Antonio Guterres are rather un diplomatic diplomat. Had this to say at the un yesterday. Yesterday. It is important to also recognise the attacks by hamas did not happen in a vacuum. The did not happen in a vacuum. The Palestinian People have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. Suffocating occupation. In response, the israeli ambassador to the un, gilad erdan, said this. Erdan, said this. But the un is failing and the un is failing. But the un is failing and the un is failing. A new mr un is failing. A new mr secretary general have lost all moral and impartiality because when you say those terrible words that these heinous attacks did not happen in a vacuum, you are tolerating terrorism. And by are tolerating terrorism. And by tolerating terrorism , terrorism, tolerating terrorism, terrorism, you are justifying , justifying you are justifying, justifying terrorism. Terrorism. The u n terrorism. The un secretary general comments about the genocidal act of terrorism on the 7th of october seemed to justify it in some way. And whilst his response is somewhat cryptic, others have been even more explicit about this. Take, for example al latifa, abu shakira , example al latifa, abu shakira, the woman. Itv news , interviewed the woman. Itv news, interviewed regarding islamophobia , who told regarding islamophobia, who told the channel it makes me feel, as a muslim woman in this country that no matter how hard i work, no matter how good i can be, it will never be enough. Because apparently muslims and palestinians are inherently terrorists. It later emerged she is actually a reporter for the Iranian State funded press tv broadcaster as exposed by gb news very own charlie peters. And she actually had this to say about the recent attacks on israel. Israel. Nothing will ever be able to take back this moment, this moment of triumph , this moment moment of triumph, this moment of resistance, this moment of surprise, this moment of humiliation on behalf of the zionist entity. Zionist entity. How could she say this moment of triumph, this moment of resistance . What an appalling thing to say. And no wonder itv subsequently apologised and we saw this happen in new york yesterday at a pro palestinian rally. Brazier stance is justified. Justified. Resistance is justified. Resistance is justified. People are occupied , people are people are occupied, people are occupied , resistance is occupied, resistance is justified , resistance is justified, resistance is justified, resistance is justified. People are occupied. Justified. People are occupied. People are occupied. People are occupied. Resistance is justified. If people are occupied. What awful people are occupied. What awful nonsense is this that acts of evil beheading babies is not justified by anything and the fact that the gaza hadnt been occupied in nearly 20 years didnt seem to bother these protesters now bubbling under the surface of this movement is something sinister. While they talk of supporting innocent palestinian is, all too often they appear to go further to justify murdering 1400 innocent people as a legitimate act of resistance. And its this that resistance. And its this that has got the secretary general of the United Nations into trouble because he has got his fingers too close to this really appalling view of the world. This idea that seems to think that what hamas has done is something to be accepted or even celebrated rather than to be unequivocally condemned or is even way justified even in any way justified because to endorse or make excuses for hamas is not only glorification of terror ism, its also desperately unfair on the decent palestinians living in palestine who do not support hamas. But who get portrayed as being represented by hamas, by the type of people who buy in to the type of people who buy in to the secretary generals phraseology. And if hamas were phraseology. And if hamas were truly to represent palestinians, then theres no hope for peace in this conflict. So for the un secretary general, who was, of course, a former leader of the socialist international , antonio socialist international, antonio guitarist, echoed this sort of rhetoric is worse than improper andits rhetoric is worse than improper and its worse than showing the impotence of the United Nations. It is a real failure of leadership. Hes meant to be a diplomat. Hes not meant to be somebody whos making the problem. Its no wonder problem worse. Its no wonder the israelis have for him the israelis have called for him to go. Dont forget to let me know your thoughts email. Know your thoughts via email. Margaret gbnews. Com. Joining margaret gb news. Com. But joining me professor margaret gbnews. Com. But joining me professor ashok swain me now is professor ashok swain of the department of peace and conflict research at uppsala university. Well, professor, thank you very much for joining me. And this was clearly me. And this was clearly a blunder by the secretary general of the United Nations, who is meant to be diplomatic , wasnt meant to be diplomatic, wasnt it . He cant Start Talking about 56 years of occupation and things like that without appear to be justifying terrorism. To be justifying terrorism. Thank you for having me. And im afraid he is not wrong. I im afraid he is not wrong. I think he has pulled what the secretary general should say because for a long time i think we have been hiding what exactly the problem is. Its of course what has happened. On 7th of what has happened. On 7th of october, he didnt condone it. He didnt. He october, he didnt condone it. He didnt. He condemned it. He there is nothing that he wanted. He was ever justifying it, but he was also putting the problem in perspective. And he is the secretary general. Hes his job is to create bringing a peaceful resolution of the conflict. And resolution of the conflict. And i think thats thats thats his job. And i dont think he i think he was completely misunderstood or a contrary like israel, which has been born because of the United Nations , because of the United Nations, has this this kind of attitude to the United Nations and its representative like security secretary general is actually terrible. But isnt it rather difficult when the secretary general says things that appear to say that you will get violence if certain conditions are fulfilled . And thats the implication of what he was saying, which isnt true, because there are people who suffer under much worse regimes than anything the israelis have ever done who dont resort to violence and certainly dont slaughter babies, and that he has opened him up to this accusation , open himself up to accusation, open himself up to this accusation from israel by careless speech. Really no, i dont think i think it is. Its actually israel has a tendency not to be criticised for its actions. And i think it for its actions. And i think it has it has taken it for granted that whatever it does, nobody nobody will have the guts to criticise it. And i think that has been a problem. The problem is that we need a long Term Solution of this conflict. No way, nobody knows. Sensible mind will be any way justifying any terror activity or anyone who is killing any civilian. I mean thatis killing any civilian. I mean that is no way anyone can justify that. But that doesnt mean that the conflict is actually on or because of the 7th of october incident, the conflict is actually a sorry. Conflict is actually a sorry. Please go ahead. Well, no, thank you. I was just going to say that. Yes, of course. Its important to understand what the tensions are between israel and palestine, what the issues are and the solutions that have been discussed and proposed. And you discussed and proposed. And you charitably say of the secretary general of the un that his words have been quoted out of context or have been misconstrued, but actually , if misconstrued, but actually, if youre a diplomat, its your job youre a diplomat, its yourjob to speak in such a way that your words in such a sensitive matter cant be misconstrued. And cant be misconstrued. And i think that we have seen too much of diplomacy or diplomatic language on this issue and too much of somehow restrain or somehow taking this thing, which is going on in the middle east for so many years. And i think i think he has done the right thing because with which many countries, particularly in europe and north america, are afraid of saying these things because this is very, very important that this is what has happened of 7th of october. And even if the israeli with getting the right to defend it cannot kill 2. 3 Million People in gaza, even if it kills. The conflict is not going to solve. So the conflict needs to solve. So the conflict needs to be looked at. The long term perspective and how to find a lasting solution on who else will do that. If the lasting solution on who else will do that. If the un secretary general will not come fonnard, say exactly where the problem is. If you dont really look at the problem, you dont accept the problem, then you will never find the solution and i think this is where the diplomat is. Hes hes not hes not hes hes, of course, a chief diplomat. But he is also un secretary general and we want at this point of time when the world is going through so many crises, we want him to take the leadership role and i think this is where i see it that what he has done, it has it is absolutely the right thing to do to really tell the world that what exactly the problem is and why we need find a long term why we need to find a long Term Solution. Solution. Well, nobody would deny well, yes, nobody would deny that the effort to find a long Term Solution is very important. But as what might call the but as what you might call the worlds important diplomat worlds most important diplomat isnt it important that he doesnt aliens sit by essentially misspeaking by saying something in a way that was open to the interpretation that he was justifying the attack and therefore alienating israel makes it harder for him to do his job and to bring people together, because from an israeli point of view, hes not competent to do that. He seems to have been taking not only sides , but to taken a side that sides, but to taken a side that is sympathetic or justifies terrorism. In terrorism. In i think we i understand and the present government or present regime in israel of course, that is the voice. But of course , there has been of course, there has been a large number of israelis who do not really subscribe or do not support what is going on or what is being done by the netanyahu government. So i think it is somehow it is not exactly when we brand it that its israel is poised for all the jews are saying this. Thats actually wrong because israel i mean a large number of israelis are not supporting the kind of actions which is that the regime is doing in gaza. So i think i mean, we need to look at of course, i do agree that, you know, its the legitimate regime. You can say that that thats what which is in power. But of course, at the same time , but of course, at the same time, it is important for israel to know that what they cannot do, whatever they think they can do. Whatever they think they can do. So because there is there are restrictions there are international law, there are international law, there are international norms. There are international norms. There are supposed to be they not beyond that, they are supposed to know that, they are supposed to know that this are because are that this are because they are existence is actually with the with the support , with the with the support, with the strength of the United Nations. Strength of the United Nations. And the nations is and the United Nations is actually draws it because all the countries need to respect it. You cannot disrespect it this way because you dont like a statement of the un secretary general you can call him whatever you want to. The languages are being used in israel is absolutely horrific against it. I think we need to be very, very careful. Thank you. Not to not to not to tarnish his image. Im sorry to cut you off, but thank you for your time. Weve run out of time, but thank you, professor ashok, dont forget to let me know your thoughts. Mail margaret up margaret gbnews. Com. Coming up next, palestine issue next, could the palestine issue because in the labour because in cracks in the Labour Party Starmer has to party as sir keir starmer has to defend position israels defend his position on israels self defence. Is rishi self defence. Plus is rishi sunak henry the fifth or henry the radio. Welcome back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg and you guessed it, this is still the state of the nation and youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. David the un has irrelevant. No longer has become irrelevant. No longer attempts to uphold the aspirations founders aspirations of its founders after war and heather, after world war ii. And heather, this the un secretary this man, the un secretary general, is a disgrace. Following horrific following the horrific massacres, should be removed massacres, he should be removed from this overpaid job immediately. We, sir keir immediately. We, sir keir starmer has rightly earned much praise on the issue of anti semitism, though his predecessors troubling views on israel werent enough for sir keir to the shadow keir to leave the shadow cabinet, is no doubt that cabinet, there is no doubt that he a hard stance on he has took a hard stance on anti semitism in his and anti semitism in his party and he is now created a space where many jewish labour members feel well. Welcome again , including well. Welcome again, including people berger. People like luciana berger. However, the cracks in the labour party are beginning to show once again on the question of the israel palestine debate. Not after the 7th of not long after the 7th of october attacks, sir keir gave an interview in which he appeared clearly to support israels to self defence, israels right to self defence, including cutting off the water supply to gaza and as a result, more than 20 labour councillors resigned. This was compounded by his visit to a mosque in south wales in which the mosque leadership accused him of misrepresenting visit, as misrepresenting the visit, as well crunch talks with well as his crunch talks with laboun well as his crunch talks with labour. Muslim legislators. Earlier. Could there be earlier today. Could there be a re emergence of an old rift in the party . Well, im now joined by the imam and broadcaster amjad masroor. Thank you very amjad masroor. Thank you very much for joining amjad masroor. Thank you very much forjoining me. Amjad masroor. Thank you very much forjoining me. What do you much for joining me. What do you think the difficulty is for sir keir starmer and how would you advise him if he asked for your counsel . Thank you for inviting me. Yes very simply, he is a leader of the opposition and hopefully becoming the next Prime Minister as he wishes, has been as he has been campaigning for a long penod. Been campaigning for a long period. He would represent all period. He would represent all communities muslims, non muslims, christians , jews, non muslims, christians, jews, people of faith and no faith. On people of faith and no faith. On this particular occasion when it comes to israel and palestinian conflict. He unfortunately has cited just one side, has ignored the plight of the palestinians who have lived under occupation for more than 75 years. He has said. Palestine. Israel has said. Palestine. Israel has every right to defend itself. Of every right to defend itself. Of course he is right. So do the palestine indians have a right to resist occupation , an to resist occupation, an demolishing of their homes and destruction of their properties . He didnt say that about the palestinians. He talked about palestinians. He talked about israeli life as very valuable. And we agree every life is valuable. But he didnt say the same thing about the palestinians. Babies palestinians. The babies in palestine more than half of those whove been killed, of the 5000 since the bombing 5000 people since the bombing began been babies. Keir began have been babies. Keir starmer up to starmer did not stand up to defend babies. And worst starmer did not stand up to deall,i babies. And worst starmer did not stand up to deall, its babies. And worst starmer did not stand up to deall, its a babies. And worst starmer did not stand up to de all, its a little es. And worst starmer did not stand up to de all, its a little bit and worst starmer did not stand up to de all, its a little bit odd worst of all, its a little bit odd for me to be defending the leader of the labour party as a conservative politician, but i think being extremely think youre being extremely unfair on the leader of the opposition who has made it clear that he is against a terrorist attack and believes that a country we can respond to protect itself from terrorism and that he has encouraged israel to allow aid to go through. He has encouraged israel to be careful in its response since hes been balanced in that approach, whilst accepting the fundamental principle of self defence. Surely thats fair and right and thats not anti the palestinians, its anti hamas. Hamas. I think the concept of self defence is enshrined in all laws. I agree. Self defence is enshrined in all laws. I agree. But also right to laws. I agree. But also right to resist occupation is also within our conventions. International treaties. Geneva convention treaties. Geneva convention gives the palestinian every right to defend themselves and resist the occupation. Remember, resist the occupation. Remember, israel is occupied palestinian territory for more than 75 years and not, as it happens , gaza. And not, as it happens, gaza. But i think we need to be clear on this. Gaza isnt itself occupied, is it . It is an independent territory that unfortunately is run by hamas. Unfortunately is run by hamas. Thats not true. Its not independent territory. Its controlled its airspace , its controlled its airspace, its land space, its sea space. We can see it from the current blockade. The country or the people of that particular. Its controlled because terrorist attacks launched it. Attacks were launched from it. Why israelis built thats why the israelis built built a wall. They didnt. They didnt do that initially , but didnt do that initially, but they did it because suicide bombers coming through. Bombers were coming through. Rees mogg if you dont allow me to complete my sentence, you can me lots of questions can throw me lots of questions and able to answer and i wont be able to answer any please give me the any of them. Please give me the chance to complete my ive got the answer away. The the time answer away. The previous david previous Prime Minister, David Cameron said gaza is the biggest open prison in the world. Thats your party leader. Former leader. That is why is because gazais leader. That is why is because gaza is being controlled by israel. It is the Occupying Force in international law, says an Occupying Force has responsibility over the people it governs or should occupies. Hamas is not a government. It our government has termed it a terrorist group. If its a terrorist group. If its a terrorist group, why would we punish collective punishment of more than 2. 3 Million People cutting off water, cutting off electricity, cutting off their food supply . Is war crime. And food supply . Is war crime. And keir starmer, particularly here, has failed miserably to stand up, especially when he is supposed to be a qualified human rights lawyer. And of course, our own Prime Minister rishi sunak, has blindly supported israeli action. I support the rights of all people to defend themselves. I support the end of themselves. I support the end of occupation. I support free occupation. I support free peoples rights so that people can live with dignity and honoun can live with dignity and honour. Unfortunately, both the Party Leaders have been blinded on one side and thats what were calling out for. Okay, well , i gave plenty of okay, well, i gave plenty of time to respond. So i think in time to respond. So i think in many ways, too much time. Im now joined by my panel, former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the successful pr tycoon former labour tycoon and former labour councillor kevin craig. Kevin, im to to you first im going to come to you first because i thought what he said was just wrong and that sir keir starmer has got this right, which may be something youre surprised to hear me say. Well, im not surprised to hear you say it, jacob. Im grateful that you did. I think that gentleman im pretty that last gentleman im pretty outraged, by outraged, actually, by his characterisation keir characterisation of sir keir starmer. Ill just go back a week to what starmer said week to what keir starmer said long before the latest , the last long before the latest, the last 24 hours in this time of grave crisis, westminster must speak with one voice against terror in support of israels right to self defence for the dignity of all human life , for humanitarian all human life, for humanitarian access to those suffering in gaza and to uphold the rule of international law. And the demand that was just on there. Demand that was just on there. Now, i will mention the absolute human tragedy of young babies dying under bombed buildings. But let us not forget the atrocities that led us to this point, which he didnt mention. Okay. And i am angry about the expen okay. And i am angry about the experi sive experiences of jewish people in this country in the last few weeks. And i stood next to keir starmer and all of the shadow cabinet, labour friends of israel reception at party conference. Its just after the atrocities had happened and i was very proud of the response. It does not mean to be in solidarity with the jewish people in the state of israel , that keir starmer is not israel, that keir starmer is not bothered by the appalling loss of life that has happened as a result of some of some of the bombing this is the fault of hamas. Hamas. Well, kelvin, i actually think starmer has been pretty statesmanlike over this. Hes back. The Prime Minister. He has, as kevin says , hes been has, as kevin says, hes been absolutely clear that this is an act of terrorism and the right of self defence is important. Of self defence is important. Hes also expressed concern about what is happening in palestine to innocent civilians who , as kevin rightly says, are who, as kevin rightly says, are the victims of hamas in the same way as people murdered directly by them. Are but this leaves him with a difficulty in his party because there are large numbers of members of his party who are more corbynista in this regard. And i think 150 councillors have criticised him. A number of mps are very unhappy and that is difficult for him in terms of his own party. No, hes got a divided house, theres no doubt about it. And if this, if this, if this develops into a ground force and hezbollah and everything, dont even think about it, its going to get worse. And worse for labour and it will become more and more difficult for him to have plaster on this have a sticking plaster on this issue because it will start in danger them, i think at the ballot box. And so if you look at if you look at the way that the Muslim Community appear to vote in this country, they vote almost exclusively for labour. And in fact, i think if you look up and down the land, i think theres like ten mayors now of various major cities, birmingham , london is one of the top of my head, bradford and etcetera. And so they , they are political. So they, they are political. They are political and they are not going to allow the leader of the labour party to have a view of which they dont agree or that they will head out. I suspect either to another party or they will literally campaign on the streets against sir keir. So kelvin, on this , im so kelvin, on this, im really sorry. I have to say the number of councillors that resigned is a fraction of the 6000 plus labour councillors across the country. And anybody wants to leave and if anybody wants to leave the party because of the the labour party because of the way that keir starmer has led the party and spoken, i think for millions of people in the past few weeks, let them. Past few weeks, let them. But kevin, you know, as well as i do that if 150 councillors complain that is a real problem because is even though out of 6000, its not a huge percentage age, you dont get councillors coming out in that way against their own party. Its extremely rare. Well, and its an important sign of discontent within the party. I think there is, you know, there is absolute concern. I mean as there should be in the parliamentary labour party, but as there is in the Parliamentary Conservative Party about world events and of course about world events and of course about the loss of innocent lives as a result of what israel has had to do in response to hamas atrocities. Butjacob, you know, atrocities. But jacob, you know, i am more across the detail of the grassroots of the labour party maybe than anyone here. And, you know, it is a small number of councillors and the discussions today that were had with members of parliament apparently have been very helpful. But keir starmer, i read out what he was saying a week ago and he is, you know, i stood there, there is no there is no issue with him understanding that what happened to israel and jewish people was an atrocity and it has to be dealt with whilst calling like the president of the United States is who by the way, hamas calls a fascist. Did you see that hamas call joe biden a fascist . The president of the United States . I mean, this is this is who were dealing with. And do you think kelvin is right, though, that this is an electoral problem potentially for labour or do you think that it can i mean, look, you it can be i mean, look, you know, i, i respect kelvins career and what hes done in the national. There had to be one. Yeah yeah. And you know, hes hes held some very big jobs but i dont share much of his analysis on this you know kelvin well lets see. Lets see as this develops into a more serious actual war and find out whether people would say we find it difficult not to vote for a party where a substantial minority appear to favour the Muslim Community against the jewish one. Well, thank you both very much. Coming up next, its the one Year Anniversary of the Prime Ministers appointment, and i hope the first of many. But will he be remembered as henry the fifth or henry the sixth . Plus, well be revelling in the english victory over the french at agincourt on saint crispins. Radio. Welcome back. Our man, jacob welcome back. Our man, Jacob Rees Mogg. And youll be getting in touch with your thoughts. Jean says, i was horrified by the un secretary generals speech , which did seem to speech, which did seem to justify attack justify the hamas attack regardless his comments since regardless of his comments since his have far his comments could have far reaching effects reaching negative effects at this sensitive and this very sensitive time. And sally says starmer faces an extremely tough situation. And i think its important to recognise more than 25 recognise that more than 25 labour councillors resigning is not a look. With an not a good look. With an election looming. But its election looming. But its difficult making the right call as the 25th of as well. Today the 25th of october marks the anniversary of Prime Minister rishi sunak. Assuming office last year and i thought, as im joined by a particularly pugnacious panel this evening, ill take a quick look back on his tenure and ask whether hes on track to keep the well, his leadership the job. Well, his leadership began emphasis on began with a strong emphasis on caution fiscal caution and fiscal responsibility. And whilst these remain key guiding principles, the signs certainly seem to show that hes willing to break with orthodoxy to pursue bold election strategies election Winning Strategies began with his limitation of painful net zero policies and continued with the scrapping of the northern leg of hs2. So while these are encouraging movements, tories have movements, the tories have unfortunately just lost two by elections. So is rishi doing enough to motivate conservative voters and can he win . Kevin you voters and can he win . Kevin you dont want him win , but dont want him to win, but thats different. Can he win . Thats different. Can he win . Well, i think ill answer the question by saying that when i have heard from keir starmer and other leading shadow frontbenchers , they are very frontbenchers, they are very humble and not making any assumptions that this election is in the bag. Okay. Some stonking by elections last week i was out for one of them in mid bedfordshire. The results that you know make you at risk electorally , but i think to be electorally, but i think to be arrogant or assuming about any election win would be a mistake. Thats not what keir starmer is about. So the answer could rishi sunak win . Well, of course he could, but you know, opinion polls are very bad. I dont think hes got an answer for. I think hes got an answer for. I think your party is tired and run out of steam. Kelvin. Inflation is coming down. Interest rates will be following the tax burdens likely to come down as the economy grows a bit, making progress towards reducing the small boats. Actually, hes doing quite well, isnt he . I actually think he is doing quite well and im very pleased that we got a period of calm. And of course, i would quote another labour politician to you, of course is your you, which of course is your friend Harold Wilson said a week is a long time in politics and the about the matter is the truth about the matter is you only have to look at what happened to theresa may know happened to theresa may to know what a majority advantage in what a 14 majority advantage in the polls looks like. Come come election day. The reality is nobody knows what the outcome is. Its clear that starmer quite a good lawyer, therefore he doesnt really mind which side he bats for. He doesnt really mind which side he bats for. To be fair, side he bats for. To be fair, with the exception, of course , with the exception, of course, with the exception, of course, with the exception, of course, of taking on private schools. He loves doing that as his flag waving opportunity to kick kick people who he wants to worry about their childrens education for every kid. He you know, he knows and he you know, he knows that the bigger private schools have got a Balance Sheet this day. It wont touch the sides. Im delighted have. Im delighted they have. Im delighted they have. Means theyve had some that means theyve had some successful whove left successful kids whove left money them. Thank for money to them. So thank god for that. Great. And but he is its great. And but he is a bit of a spinning top politically, isnt he . You get lots of different views. So im on the channel, right . So im on the channel, right . Thats the are off thats it. The gloves are off now, okay. This is the now, right. Okay. This is the channel where your your your colleague in parliament pretty patel at tory party patel cheers at Tory Party Conference news. Done conference gb news. Well done our of course you lot our friends of course you lot are say that. All are going to say that. All right. Youre deluded. Are going to say that. All rigiyou youre deluded. Are going to say that. All rigiyou lotvoure deluded. Are going to say that. All rigiyou lot ofre deluded. Are going to say that. All rigiyou lot of youieluded. Are going to say that. All rigiyou lot of you lot. Ied. Are going to say that. All rigiyou lot of you lot. Youre you lot of you lot. Youre in. Youre in. Im sorry, kelvin. Youve asked for this, right . Youve asked for this. You are deluded. Millions deluded. Like with how millions of are living out their deluded. Like with how millions of right. Living out their deluded. Like with how millions of right. Its|g out their deluded. Like with how millions of right. Its honestlyeir deluded. Like with how millions of right. Its honestly ,r shapps right. Its honestly, this doesnt change the point that keir starmer keeps on that sir keir starmer keeps on changing mind. That sir keir starmer keeps on chathats mind. That sir keir starmer keeps on chathats whatind. Were thats what we were discussing. Doesnt. I mean, how no, he doesnt. I mean, how can you. Why dont you talk about record . About your record . Well, why dont we talk okay, well, why dont we talk about talk about rishi . Why dont we talk about. Talk about. Lets about. Lets talk about. Lets go back to talking about rishi. Lets talk about rishi. Had any backbone, if he had any backbone, you would you shouldnt be would have been you shouldnt be allowed way allowed to stand again. The way youve about you youve talked about him. You call socialist. I mean, call him a socialist. I mean, you when he first came in, you absolutely him. I mean, absolutely battered him. I mean, hes weak. Othennise, dont agree. Othennise, i dont agree. Othennise, i dont agree. Dont agree with jacob i dont agree with jacob about socialist. About him being a socialist. What believe is that is what i do believe is that he is calm and considered. And we havent one of those for havent had one of those for certainly sort of whenever for four years anyway. So i feel very, very i felt very uneasy about seeing some of our of our tory leaders. So now we have we now we have a guy, hes been in for a year. I suspect were going to see some good change is i think were going to see stamp duty down. I hope were going to see inherit tax down. I hope were to going see general taxation down. I want tax after the mortgage. Do you do you want stamp duty down or not . Everybody want to encourage down. But as a conservative want to encourage home ownership, as does the labour party. No, they dont hang on. They want to encourage council. No they dont. They dont want people to own their own homes because when they their own homes, they vote. Kelvin, the labour tory kelvin, the labour party, 1959 manifesto about allowing workers to buy their own homes. Labour allowing workers to buy their own homes. Labour is allowing workers to buy their own homes. Labour is the party own homes. Labour is the party that wants to build homes, tried to stop it, did it . No, no. You can talk. Your partys full of nimbys. Your partys full of nimbys. Okay . Because youre not. Youre full of keir starmer was a nimby when it was building in his constituency. His own constituency. Changed his mind , hes. Hes changed his mind, as on almost every single as he has on almost every single subject. Listen, you can try all you want, all this stuff. You can chuck starmer the chuck around keir starmer the conservative party has left this country in a really bad state and what im saying, a conservative keir starmer is humble right about his prospects. And he takes nothing for granted. But you, you youre you. How many Prime Ministers have we had . Why . How is life better today than 13 years ago . We dealt with the financial crisis that was left by the labour party that spent all the money dealt with and money we dealt with covid and got through that and got the economy through that and covid £7. 2 billion of our cash. Thats gone. We dont know. Thats gone. We dont know. Honestly think that a labour, a Labour Administration would handle money better than a conservative one . 100. You honestly , kevin, you 100. You honestly, kevin, you smoking . Jeremy corbyn as Prime Minister would have handled covid better and spent money better. Well, how could it . Because he was the person who would in 2019. Would have won in 2019. Bring corbyn in. Lets bring corbyn in. Lets bring corbyn in. Starmer is the candidate keir starmer is the candidate on ballot sheet. On the ballot sheet. Lets back to why okay, lets go back to why rishi brilliant. Okay, lets go back to why risiwhybrilliant. Okay, lets go back to why risiwhy islliant. Okay, lets go back to why risiwhy is rishi. Okay, lets go back to why risiwhy is rishi keir starmer why is rishi keir starmer backed didnt he . Backed jeremy corbyn, didnt he . Never theres quite never mind. Theres quite important because he held hand. Hes got to talk about why is hand. H as got to talk about why is hand. H a greatto talk about why is hand. H a great prime about why is hand. H a great Prime Ministerhy is rishi a great Prime Minister rishi i think as kelvin has been saying, hes dealing with things calmly. Hes been saying, hes dealing with things calmly. Hes getting been saying, hes dealing with things calmly. Hes getting on with things. Inflation is coming down. That will help Interest Rates go down. Hes made Big Decisions , cutting back on the decisions, cutting back on the green propaganda is really sensible. Well make peoples sensible. Well make peoples lives easier and cheaper. Well lives easier and cheaper. Well help people heat their homes without afraid. Well help without being afraid. Well help them to drive around and use their cars. This is really their cars. This is really sensible bread and butter politics. Its going to be a narrow run thing. Lets be honest about it. 20 odd, some of these by Election Results are eye wateri ng by Election Results are eye watering but come the day i. I dont know that he can do enough to get across the line. But what i do know is that in a strange way, i think corbyn would actually strangely have been a better candidate for the way people feel right now than than they think theyre electing a left wing tory. No, no. Former editor of the sun endorses jeremy corbyn. You heard it here first. Thank you to my panel. They were on good form this evening, werent they . Quite feisty. Coming up next, was henry the fifth, his late majesty, an uncivil warmonger . And go uncivil warmonger . And dont go anywhere. Just cup of anywhere. Just make a cup of tea. Coffee. I much tea. Actually, coffee. I much prefer says it prefer it. A new study says it will fight off frailty and well all forever. Welcome back. I continue to identify as Jacob Rees Mogg. And youve been getting in touch with your mail. Mogs. Penelope rishi sunak definitely not rishi sunak is definitely not a cry god for harry. Henry, the fifth character. Nor is he as comatose as henry the sixth. So youre for youre going, penelope, for neither. Steve sunak will be remembered as richard the third. Oh, dear. Malcolm rishi is neither henry the fifth nor henry sixth. But henry the sixth. But unfortunately rishi, last unfortunately, rishi, the last canute of canute had more chance of turning. Oh, no. Can you didnt turning. Oh, no. Can you didnt try the tide . Oh, try to turn back the tide . Oh, he told people that as king, he didnt power. So didnt have that power. So correct historic correct that historic misrepresentation and gentlemen in england now abed shall think themselves accursed. They were not hold their not here. And hold their manhoods while any speaks manhoods cheap while any speaks that fought with us upon saint crispins day. Thats how crispins day. Thats how shakespeare summarised the events of the 25th of october 1415. The day england was triumphant at the battle of agincourt, which fell, of course, on saint crispins day. 680 years on, from this historic victory, this saint crispins day , saint crispin was the day, saint crispin was the patron saint, is the patron saint of cobblers and leather workers, among others. It workers, among others. It happens to coincide with the anniversary of rishi sunak becoming Prime Minister. And not that ago , the comedian becoming Prime Minister. And not that mitchell the comedian becoming Prime Minister. And not that mitchell arguednedian becoming Prime Minister. And not that mitchell argued in dian becoming Prime Minister. And not that mitchell argued in aan becoming Prime Minister. And not that mitchell argued in a new David Mitchell argued in a new book that henry the fifth, our celebrated monarch who won this great victory, an great victory, was actually an uncivilised warmonger. Uncivilised warmonger. Reflecting on our leaders through of history as through the lens of history as an fruitful activity. So through the lens of history as an we fruitful activity. So through the lens of history as an we should. Activity. So through the lens of history as an we should we tivity. So through the lens of history as an we should we must so through the lens of history as an we should we must we compare can we should we must we compare rishi sunak to henry the fifth . Or is our Prime Minister closer to monarch from history . To another monarch from history . Well, with me now to delve into these questions is the historian, writer oliver webb carter. So first of all, this allegation that henry the fifth was a terrible warmonger is very unfair, isnt it . That mediaeval kings fought wars because if they didnt , they because if they didnt, they were defeated and ousted. Were defeated and ousted. Well, much they dont like disagreeing with people whove written well regarded history books , as David Mitchell has to books, as David Mitchell has to judge the past by the present. I think its probably not the best thing to do, but im sure david has done that in order to sell a few more of his very good book. So when it comes to henry the fifth, we have to remember that were talking about the hundred years war here. England and france. I think if one looks at the statistics in the history of england since 1066, weve been at war with france for almost 20 of the time. So whilst it wasnt normality to be fighting france, it certainly wasnt unusual. And so , no, the victory unusual. And so, no, the victory at agincourt was not a victory of a warmonger over a peace loving france. It was very much loving france. It was very much a battle between two monarchs claim when it really comes down to the most basic point of power and two monarchs who would have been squabbling in different areas othennise. So if henry the fifth hadnt beenin so if henry the fifth hadnt been in france as the king of france would have been stirring things up in scotland. And indeed, henry the fifth himself as prince of wales, has settled as prince of wales, has settled a so the idea a dispute in wales. So the idea that it would all have been peace and love if henry the fifth had not gone over and besieged harfleur and then won at agincourt is ridiculous. Yes , the mediaeval period , yes, the mediaeval period, mediaeval historians get very upset when you Start Talking about the period as sort of all blood and guts. But then one blood and guts. But then one looks at the number of battles that took place. There is certainly warfare was was almost a normality at and life as a serf or a peasant in the in the penod serf or a peasant in the in the period would often have involved being disrupted by armies that needed to be fed and things like that. So i dont think its too harsh a description of the mediaeval period to describe it as rather warlike. As rather warlike. But henry the fifth is actually quite an important domestic ruler, even though hes out of the country quite a bit. So he rebases the currency, which as with rishi sunak deaung which as with rishi sunak dealing with inflation to get this comparison in is taking difficult long term decisions is that make conditions quite hard whilst youre doing it. Hes a great advocate of law and order that there was a view that under his father thered been a too much disorder. He in forces unity on the nobility and quite a strong way and indeed threatens them with execution on if they dont behave. Theres a if they dont behave. Theres a lot of him that is remarkably modern as a monarch trying to ensure a stable country by sound government. Government. Well, i would always find its always a little difficult to find those direct comparisons. And rishi sunak, i must confess, rishi sunak and henry, the fifth that really struck me particularly so i am a little surprised at that , at the surprised at that, at the Economic Policy that im interested in that that actually rishi sunak is doing things that henry the fifth would have been sympathetic to if he were alive today in terms of ensuring stability of the currency through dealing with inflation. And henry the fifth rebased the currency. He i suspect henry the currency. He i suspect henry the currency. He i suspect henry the have recognised the fifth might have recognised he would have struggled to recognise the form of government, but henry the but Richard Rishi sunak being a sound economic administrator again, im not convinced that Prime Minister sunaks achievements are quite at the level of henry the fifth and in the charisma terms, probably bons the charisma terms, probably Boris Johnson is a more henry, the fifth character than than rishi sunak, because henry the fifth was clearly throughout his life a big figure. And if you look at whats going on in france when hes there leading the troops, they win. As soon as hes back in england, we start losing. Losing. Im not convinced again well, im not convinced again that Boris Johnson certainly is a Boris Johnson is again , not a a Boris Johnson is again, not a name that would to spring mind when thinking of henry the fifth. But you can imagine him making great speech before leading troops into battle, cant you, and saying people in our bed would hold their manhood. Sheep. They were not with saint crispins with us here on saint crispins day. Boris line, isnt it . Well, you have to remember , well, you have to remember, those werent the words of henry the were. They the fifth. They were. They werent of shakespeare. What youre really saying so what youre really saying is fifth had a very is henry the fifth had a very good speechwriter to a speechwriter writing speechwriter who was writing many years after he died. Yes. Yes, indeed. Yes. Yes, indeed. Yes. Excellent. Thats brilliant. Thank much. I hope thank you very much. I hope youll back to discuss youll come back to discuss history more often. And history with us more often. And finally, caffeine addicts like me. New research has me rejoice. New research has found that drinking cups of found that drinking four cups of tea coffee per day could tea or coffee per day could reduce the odds of becoming physically later on in physically frail later on in life. Youre quaffing, life. So if youre a quaffing, good, honest cafe , ive had good, honest nest cafe, ive had a predilection for alta rica since a schoolboy. Or if since i was a schoolboy. Or if you a cup of tea in you prefer, a nice cup of tea in middle keep going. May middle age, keep going. You may just be warding off the frailty that othennise come us in that can othennise come to us in later i think i drink so later years. I think i drink so much that i will live forever though. Thats a thought in itself. Thank very itself. Anyway thank you very much. All from me. Up much. Thats all from me. Up next is Patrick Christys patrick. Youre going to have a nice cup of coffee this evening. Am. Will i absolutely am. You will come surprise that this is come as no surprise that this is my 10th the day. But there we my 10th of the day. But there we go. Got a heck of go. Okay. Ive got a heck of a lot on. I am asking whether or not Winston Churchill will be turning looking at turning in his grave looking at britain as we barricade turning in his grave looking at britcenotaph,is we barricade turning in his grave looking at britcenotaph, preparingicade turning in his grave looking at britcenotaph, preparing forie turning in his grave looking at britcenotaph, preparing for yet the cenotaph, preparing for yet more protests on the streets. Ive got a clash as well. Two big guests, including Charlie Mullins, not hes mullins, on whether or not hes right Carol Vorderman mullins, on whether or not hes rig her Carol Vorderman mullins, on whether or not hes righer honoraryirol vorderman mullins, on whether or not hes righer honorary raf iorderman mullins, on whether or not hes righer honorary raf titles. 1an mullins, on whether or not hes righer honorary raf titles. Lee of her honorary raf titles. Lee anderson joins me. Jim davidson joins me. Look labour joins me. We look at labour ripping over that ripping itself apart over that old israel gaza issue all to play old israel gaza issue all to play for. Old israel gaza issue all to play for. Ill see you 9 11. Well thats great. I hope your plumbing is all in good order for that great countdown. Thats coming up after the weather. Ill be back tomorrow at 8 00. Im Jacob Rees Mogg. This of this has been state of the nation. From my nation. And i hear from my children are in somerset for children who are in somerset for half term that the weather there is absolutely beautiful. Hello again. Hello again. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the office with the news the met office with the gb news forecast. Spells out forecast. Some clear spells out there at first overnight, but where we see the clear spells, we also see some and fog we also see some mist and fog developing and quite a number of showers will arrive in many places by dawn. A large area of low pressure to the west of the uk is swinging various weather fronts our way over the next few days and in between the fronts, well see some clear spells, but also showers in also some showers as a gap in between systems across between the systems across northern into the Northern England into the midlands east anglia overnight could fog patches could lead to some fog patches by othennise a lot of by dawn. Othennise a lot of cloud on the map as we begin thursday and that means a mild start, but it also bit start, but it also means a bit of a gloomy start. Therell be showers longer spells rain showers or longer spells of rain across many of the across many parts of the country. Potential for some heavy the south heavy rain around the south coast some persistent rain coast and some persistent rain setting up across the north and east scotland gales for east of scotland with gales for shetland and orkney. Now, because of the increasingly persistent rain across eastern scotland , theres a rain warning scotland, theres a rain warning in force. Its not going to be as wet as it was last week, but any additional rainfall, of course, could cause some issues elsewhere. Its showers and some frequent heavy downpours in places continue into places theyll continue into friday across northern ireland, western england, wales with some thunder and hail thrown in as well. More persistent rain continues across central and eastern scotland to the north and east of england as well, and more more unsettled weather on the way for saturday and sunday with low pressure continuing to dominate. Dominate. Who is it . Were here for the show. For energy. This time. Show. For energy. This time. Welcome to the dinosaur hour. I was married to a therapist and you survived. I thought we were you survived. I thought we were getting hugh laurie, second best man bellissima. You interviewed saddam hussein. Whats that like . I was terrified. Im playing strip poker with these three. Oh, no, thank you. Oh, no, thank you. My cds need to be put in alphabetical order. Oh are you going to be problematic again . Going to be problematic again . The dinosaur our sundays at 9 00 on gb news. Whos its 9 00. Im Patrick Christys and this is gb news tonight. And christys and this is gb news tonight. And after an almighty showdown with muslim mps today over his stance on the israel hamas war is keir starmer finally losing control of the unruly labour party . Thats the unruly labour party . Thats the big debate with my panel joining me this evening are Christine Hamilton and adam brooks and matthew laza stella stuff. Youd matthew laza stella stuff. Youd love to see it. But before that, amid the shocking rise of anti semitism on our streets, would the great Winston Churchill now be turning in his grave at the erosion of British Values . I will deliver my patriotic perspective. Thats next. Plus comedy legend and British Forces ambassador jim davidson rages at police for building barricades at the cenotaph after a spate of those pro palestine protests. Whats pro palestine protests. Whats this country coming to . But also on the way . Bbc director general tim davie has just finished being grilled by the 1922 committee over the corporation. Committee over the corporation. Britains coverage of the israel hamas war, amongst other things, and believe you me, they are far from impressed. Just listen to conservative mp Jonathan Gullis so far out of touch with the people of this great country and particularly the jewish community, not just here but around the world. Hes brought shame upon this institution has made the institution and has made the case. Now more than ever, case. Why now more than ever, the british taxpayer shouldnt have continue paying the have to continue paying the telly weve got the exclusive yeah, weve got the exclusive inside track on what went on behind closed doors meeting. You behind closed doors meeting. You will not want to miss that explosive interview with our political editor, Christopher Hope , and then ill get the hope, and then ill get the reaction from another furious mp. The partys deputy chairman, lee anderson. He joins me live lee anderson. He joins me live in the studio. Thats very soon. And finally , as it emerges that and finally, as it emerges that the raf wanted to clip the wings of its ambassador , air, carol of its ambassador, air, Carol Vorderman is the tory attack dog embarrassment to the uks armed forces. Ive got Charlie Mullins , ive got tim davies and lewis