Country. Yes, indeed. So weve got an hour of all the stories which matter to you being dissected and debated with two top drawer opponents that is coming up here live on dewbs co next. But first, lets grab the latest News Headlines with polly middlehurst. Middlehurst. Michelle, thank you. Well, the top story today, the Prime Minister confirmed that the gaza hospital blast last week was likely caused by a missile from within gaza. Rishi sunak said within gaza. Rishi sunak said today in the commons , the al today in the commons, the al hospital blast was caused by a missile or part of a missile that was launching towards israel. He also said the that was launching towards israel. He also said the uk is providing an additional £20 million in aid to civilians in gaza as well as deploying raf and royal navy assets. The British Government judges that the explosion was likely caused by a missile or part of one that was launched from within gaza towards israel. The misreporting of this incident had a negative effect incident had a negative effect in the region , including on in the region, including on a vital Us Diplomatic effort and on tensions here at home. We need to learn the lessons and ensure that in future there is no rush to judgement. No rush to judgement. Well, a third convoy of aid trucks has now entered gaza , the trucks has now entered gaza, the un saying 20 trucks carrying humanitarian aid have now passed through the rafah crossing. Thats in southern israel into egypt. Earlier explosions could be seen across the rafah Border Crossing as the israel hamas skirmishes continued. It came after a second convoy of 14 trucks carrying humanitarian suppues trucks carrying humanitarian supplies went through the crossing last night. Meanwhile, crossing last night. Meanwhile, British Charities are urging the government to ensure safe passage for refugees fleeing from israel and palestine. From israel and palestine. Organisations including the refugee council, say rishi sunak should provide emergency measures, including medical evacuations and a refugee protection visa. The groups also protection visa. The groups also want the government to prioritise cases of israelis and palestinians already in the uk asylum system. The met police asylum system. The met Police Commissioner has today told the home secretary the government may need to toughen up the law on hate crime and terrorism. It on hate crime and terrorism. It comes after sir mark rowley met with Suella Braverman to discuss the forces decision not to arrest protesters calling for jihad against israel at demonstrations over the weekend. Sir mark said horrific and gruesome attacks by hamas had aggravated our own terrorist threats within the uk with hate crime against Jewish Community is up 13 fold compared to this time last year, sir mark said. Time last year, sir mark said. 34 arrests have been made so far and now the force is trying to identify another 22 people from photography. Photography. Were cancelled the law we cant enforce taste or decency, but we can enforce the law conversation finished really around the line of the law and its our job to enforce to that line. Its parliaments job to draw that line and the thought that maybe events of the moment are illustrating. Maybe some of the lines arent quite in the right place. Right place. But the policing minister, chris philp, said the police already have the necessary laws in place. All they need to do is in place. All they need to do is apply them. Apply them. There are very clear laws in place which ban encouraging people to commit acts of terrorism. Certain organisations , including hamas and hezbollah , including hamas and hezbollah, are proscribed. That means theyre banned and being a member of those organisations or glorifying them is an offence as well. There is also quite strong pubuc well. There is also quite strong public order legislation on the statute books already, including section 18 of the public order act, which criminalises inciting racial hatred. Racial hatred. Now the governments announced a so called zero tolerance approach to shoplifters under the National Shoplifting action plan. Police will commit to attend all retail premises where security staff have caught a suspect out. Theyll also target prolific offenders , including criminal offenders, including criminal gangs, and theyll run cctv footage through their racial recognition software. Now, recognition software. Now, a body has been found in the search for a man who was reported as being trapped in a vehicle in flood water in aberdeenshire. Meanwhile, a man aberdeenshire. Meanwhile, a man who died after a tree struck his van near forfar in angus during storm babet on thursday has been named as john gillen. The 56 year old was pronounced dead at the scene following the incident last thursday. Now a man who last thursday. Now a man who bought a pool table after winning £2. 4 million on the National Lottery is now queuing up to represent england at the european pool championships. Neil jones and his partnerjulie kirkham won the money just before christmas 2010, and after getting himself a brand new pool table , mr jones decided to take table, mr jones decided to take advantage of all the free time he had on his hands to sharpen up his schools across his pool table. Well he rose through the ranks and he now says, representing his country in malta will be his proudest moment. This malta will be his proudest moment. This is gb news malta will be his proudest moment. This is gb news across moment. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news. This is britains news channel. This is britains news channel. Thanks for that, polly. Our Michelle Dewberry. And im keeping you company till 7 00 tonight alongside me. Ive got the console agent alex dean, and also the former adviser to jeremy corbyn, James Schneider. Good evening to both. Good evening, gentlemen. You know the drill, dont you, on dewbs co. Its very much about you guys at home as well. What is on your mind tonight . Ive got a packed out coming your way. Lots out show coming your way. Lots to get into. Everything from modern want ask to get into. Everything from mocabout want ask to get into. Everything from mocabout that. Want ask to get into. Everything from mocabout that. Even1t ask to get into. Everything from moc about that. Even your ask to get into. Everything from moc about that. Even your teeth you about that. Even your teeth as well. Dont were not to as well. We dont were not to going ignore today because going ignore that today because dentistry lack of access to dentistry or lack of access to it, should i say, is massive it, should i say, is a massive issue lots of you guys at issue for lots of you guys at home tonight. So want to home tonight. So i want to explore what on earth is going on and of course, i want to revisit that question. Never goes think goes away. Do you think landlords should to landlords should be able to basically of tenants basically get rid of tenants without proper , fair without giving proper, fair reason . Me your reason . You give me your thoughts on all of that, all the usual vaiews gbnews. Com usual ways. Vaiews gbnews. Com on the email or of course at gb news on twitter. But of course the top story today is the fact that tens of thousands of people protested in london this weekend. You will have seen, im sure, lots of the footage. It was by and large very peaceful. But many peoples attention now has been drawn to a separate protest. This is basically protest. This is basically supporters of the group. Im going to try and pronounce this right, hizb ut tahrir. I think thats how it is. Lots of chants of calls for jihad could be heard. Lets just have a little listen to bring you up to speed with the goings on there. What is the solution to liberate people in the concentration camp called palestine jihad . What is the solution . Jihad neil kinnock. Solution . Jihad neil kinnock. Yeah, so that was, of course, on a british street this weekend. Now, no, no related arrests were made at all to do with that. The met police basically come out and said that theyve had various specialists looking at that language. And whilst the word jihad basically means terrorism to a lot of people, apparently it also has different meanings. And therefore it was meanings. And therefore it was not reason to arrest people. All not reason to arrest people. All you, james, were at the not that protest to have to make clear you were at the broader pro palestine protest this weekend. Ill come to that in just a second. But specifically on that guy, theyre calling for jihad and the mets decision not to arrest him or anyone else related that. You think related to that. Do you think that was the right decision . Well, it probably but well, it probably was, but i dont have all of the information that the that the police have. I mean, from what we just saw there, it sounds like theres one idiot at one tiny idiot splinter thing shout, shouting that and jihad doesnt it . Like you say, we might think that jihad it . Like you say, we might think thatjihad means it . Like you say, we might think that jihad means terrorism, it . Like you say, we might think thatjihad means terrorism, but thats not actually what the word itself means. And to say jihad, its not illegal under british law. So im sure that there were some some criminal activities that happened over the weekend, and those will be investigated. And if there are investigated. And if there are ones that happened at this Hizbut Tahrir splinter demonstration , then those should demonstration, then those should be investigated as well. But i think, you know, just because we hear a word and it sounds alarming that we say now the police must do everything on this one in particular. I mean, there are you know, as you said earlier on in your introduction, as we heard in the news, you know, the Terror Threat is higher. There are threats against which against jewish communities which are at. And the police are higher at. And the police should have the operational capacity to look across all of those across all of those. But many people know that these are very worry ing concerning times. I mean, you just alluded there to the Jewish Community, you know, Jewish Primary School children have been unable go to school in been unable to go to school in some instances. Youve got some instances. Youve got guards guarding places like synagogues and all the rest. Theres lot of people which we synagogues and all the rest. Th normally. Of people which we synagogues and all the rest. Th normally have. Ople which we do normally have. A jewish schools and so a jewish schools and jewish synagogues normally jewish synagogues do normally have and which is but have security and which is but that has been increased. Yes, of course. Which is a regrettable consequence , a horrible consequence, a horrible consequence, a horrible consequence of the fact that we have anti semitism. People are terrified, james. People a lot people are people a lot of people are terrified right now. When terrified right now. So when you hear on streets , jihad, hear guys on the streets, jihad, jihad, jihad, a lot of people are interpreting that as meaning you want people to go into the streets and do the terrorist acts in the name of lets lets try to separate some things out. Okay. Theres the law and theres impression. And you know, we can talk about we dont want people to feel afraid. But you have to apply the law as it actually is. Now, i am not an expert in this particular law, so i cant tell you. Yes, this was applied exactly the right way or no, it wasnt applied exactly the right way. But i think that should be left to those sorts of consideration, opfions those sorts of consideration, options the things which are options and the things which are political deal with political we should deal with politically and we should talk about those. Of all, what alex well, first of all, what a state of affairs it a lamentable state of affairs it is when can say, and james is when one can say, and james is when one can say, and james is right, that is when one can say, and james is right , that jewish is when one can say, and james is right, that jewish schools and synagogues normally have security. Mean, its appalling security. I mean, its appalling state affairs in our country. State of affairs in our country. On the broader question, policing is difficult, right . And i have both defended and prosecuted cases in which, you know, lets take a football crowd and it from the crowd and remove it from the religious people religious question. People will shout in football crowds shout things in football crowds that the police will form a pragmatic view on what othennise would form a classic public order offence. They let order act offence. And they let it in order not to provoke it go in order not to provoke riot, but so one should always acknowledge that. And sir mark rowley, its really, it seems to me is basically inviting the home secretary now to ban the word jihad. That seems to me to be thrust of what hes be the thrust of what hes saying. And of his officers saying. And many of his officers whod enforce that whod have to enforce that might rather such rather regret in such a situation. But you know, these nuances and what does this word mean we interpreting it mean and are we interpreting it the other way . It almost becomes a farce, given some of the things weekend, things weve seen this weekend, because there was i promise you, im up. One im not making this up. One protester bond street had a protester on bond street had a sign cardboard said, sign on cardboard that said, i fully support hamas. Right hamas is proscribed organisation in is a proscribed organisation in this it is illegal to this country. It is illegal to glorify demonstrate your glorify to demonstrate your support for hamas. And if the police cant stop something thats against the thats unambiguously against the law, well, there it makes a mockery of posted. Now that picture of that cardboard sign there appealing for but but lets for information an but but lets try to get some context as well because people people are alarmed that was a huge demonstration on saturday. I was on this channel yesterday and there was a form of Police Officer who monitors protests and he said he thought it was the largest since the ones against the iraq war in 2003. And it was peaceful and it was hundreds of thousands of people demanding that our government changes course and supports a ceasefire and an end to bombing in gaza. That is not. I marched with the jewish block on that march. We were in no way on that march. We were in no way unwelcome or threatened or anything else like that. It wasnt scary. It was peaceful wasnt scary. It was peaceful and it was committed to trying to bring about a ceasefire. And we do see at almost any protest you saw them in the immediate demonstrations after the hamas operation. On the 7th of october operation. On the 7th of october in new york. You saw people calling for kill all palestinians and so on and so forth. You get idiots at the edges of things, of all things who say stupid, terrible. Who say stupid, terrible. But the stakes here are very high. I just want to bring in a short clip, if i may. The protest, the men process you just referenced on saturday, some of you might have seen this clip doing the this was clip doing the rounds. This was a London Underground a chew of the London Underground tube route , the central tube on its route, the central line, its basically called. So helping take people to this protest. Just listen this. Protest. Just listen to this. And particular to the driver and in particular to the driver for 83, palestine, 3 3, palestine , three free palestine , palestine, three free palestine, three free palestine , three free three free palestine, three free palestine , three free palestine. Palestine, three free palestine. All right. So the fellow that was driving that basically said that he supported the free palestine, he couldnt get day palestine, he couldnt get a day off, couldnt there. So he off, couldnt be there. So he was his support that was showing his support that way. Hes since been suspended. But are you on that . Completely wrong. And i note that. Well done, london that. Well well done, London Underground. Finally underground. And finally suspending think the suspending him. I think the initial they didnt initial position was they didnt know who was, seemed to know who it was, which seemed to me be completely absurd. But me to be completely absurd. But look, people will imagine if you were a jewish person on that train going about your business and how you might have felt in those circumstances. How would you have felt . How would you have felt . I think you might have felt very threatened, actually. But but why . Because was a but why . Because it was a demonstration. Not only that, the instruments the state and the instruments of the state and that that example public that that example is public transport. The emphasis being on pubuc transport. The emphasis being on public , if if you public now, if you if you charter absolutely nothing frightening jewish person frightening to a jewish person about free palestine. Free palestine is a call for the freedom and Self Determination and equality of Palestinian People. Thats not frightening that my peace and security as a jewish person is not contingent on the oppression of Palestinian People. Its perfectly fine in pubuc people. Its perfectly fine in public discourse. Say free palestine. And you were talking lets take the politics out of it. Earlier you were saying on the tube on the way to a football match on the way to something else. Sometimes the tube the tube drivers, they come and say something. Sometimes its funny, sometimes its pointed, sometimes it pointed, sometimes its not. It right . Et cetera. Et cetera. I think saying free palestine, which is a completely reasonable , totally normal thing to say, is no reason for someone to be troubled. And its also lets please, please, please do not say that to say free palestine is somehow offensive to jewish people or threatening to jewish people. It does not offend us and it does not threaten us. Well, you of course , speak with well, you of course, speak with authority as a jewish person that i dont have on that question. I would just make a different point, i suppose, about what the point, i suppose, about what the point youre making. And its true policing difficult, of true policing is difficult, of course, and free palestine is one thing from the to river the sea is another. And it seems to me plainly anti israel, me thats plainly anti israel, if not anti semitic. And then the hamas stuff is absolutely wrong. But the context in which someone finds themselves in a country in which people are shouting at or about them like thatis shouting at or about them like that is one that i think its very easy. And you may have a different threshold as to what intimidates you as to others and good, good on you for being robust, of course. And i wouldnt wish to curtail your right to protest and right and freedom to protest and to march and forth. To and to march and so forth. But i rather fear that your statement its only a few fringe idiots understates the significance of whats going on in this country. One point in this country. One final point about many people who about that. Many people who marched you that march marched with you in that march will have regimes that will have escaped regimes that have unattractive to say the least, authoritarian and brutal leaderships. And they come here leaderships. And they come here and then they tell us theyre using the freedom that we rightly give them to express themselves about how weve got things and they things wrong and how they they basically their basically glorify their situation home, the home situation back home, the home they escaped. That seems a rather strange of affairs rather strange state of affairs to respond that. To me to respond to that. Yeah, well, yes, im not quite sure what you mean by that. Think everybody in our that. I think everybody in our country should have the same rights and we should have the rights and we should have the right our government is right to say our government is currently supporting war crimes and we shouldnt be supporting war crimes the majority of war crimes that the majority of the people, the british people, the ovennhelming the ovennhelming majority of the british support british people support a ceasefire. Basically no ceasefire. And yet basically no political actor is calling for one. And thats what that demonstration was about. And the and the and the chance on it. As i say, im walking there with other jewish people, free palestine is in no way frightening. It is you know is it is it is deep in in jewish traditions to want equality and dignity for all, for jewish people and for non jewish. People and for non jewish. We came very close to a free palestine and 92 of the demand requests from the Palestinian Movement were going to be granted. And instead, arafat granted. And instead, arafat started the second intifada. So it seems to me that palestine and palestinians are being let down by hamas and co rather than having anything, of course , having anything, of course, innately wrong about them. But ive got to tell you, i think youre going to get your way. I think once israel has gone into gaza, the immense gaza, cleared out the Immense Network of underground tunnels and networks and headquarters and networks and headquarters and caches of weaponry and so forth, i think there will be a free palestine, israel will withdraw from its responsibilities to gaza and youll have a state left that hasnt had a an election for 17 years, but will be in no real fit state to govern itself. But thats what itll get. You know, i really wish that i could continue this conversation there is a conversation because there is a lot more to be said. But for time reasons, do to move time reasons, i do need to move on. Just want to say a couple on. I just want to say a couple of points, though. I know that you said you werent intimidated and great. I dont want and thats great. I dont want anyone but, anyone to feel intimidated. But, you awful lot you know, there are an awful lot of jewish people, some of them perhaps watching this perhaps will be watching this program felt program that would have felt intimidated tube do intimidated on that tube that do feel terrified at the moment. Intimidated on that tube that do feel thatfied at the moment. Intimidated on that tube that do feel that rightly the moment. Intimidated on that tube that do feel that rightly or� moment. Intimidated on that tube that do feel that rightly or wrongly, . And that rightly or wrongly, and youll say wrongly, that some jewish people out they jewish people out there, they do associate the movement, the free palestine im palestine movement. What im saying with to them, saying with threats to them, what is that it isnt what im saying is that it isnt a threat and when people who , a threat and when people who, for example, who are. For example, who are. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Do you think jihad is a threat . Yes yes. But thats not what were talking about. Were talking about free palestine. People saying that there should talking about free palestine. Petjustice ing that there should talking about free palestine. Petjustice and that there should talking about free palestine. Petjustice and dignityere should talking about free palestine. Petjustice and dignity forshould be justice and dignity for palestinians. A palestinians. That is not a threat. And people in the threat. And when people in the media say that it is they media and say that it is they are scaring jewish people, they are scaring jewish people, they are doing the scaring, not the people who are who are protesting against the killing of children and razing of of children and the razing of gaza to rubble. Right. Well, there you go. Any any jewish or listeners out jewish watchers or listeners out there, id be fascinated hear there, id be fascinated to hear your thoughts and feedback on that conversation there after the break, i want to talk to you about modern slavery. The occasions of this now seem to be on the increase in this country. Whats going on and how do we fix it . You me. News radio. News radio. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry tall seven alongside me, Pr Consultant alex deane and former advisor to jeremy corbyn. James schneider you do do a lot of other things these days. Next time youre on, i will share some of those as well. Michael you make a very salient point, my friend. We were just talking about or you should about whether or not you should be to go jihad, jihad, be able to go jihad, jihad, jihad streets of britain jihad on the streets of britain and with it, i. E, not and get away with it, i. E, not be arrested. It would seem that, yes, you because apparently yes, you can, because apparently the Different Things the word means Different Things and interpreted and can be interpreted differently, says. Differently, michael says. Whats the next whats going to be the next thing . Was to be thing . If there was ever to be a minor strike to be resurrected . Did hear youre coming did i hear where youre coming from people all from here . And people all standing there scab for standing there shouting scab for example, are going example, what are people going to they need to rush in thinking they need minor is that the way minor first aid . Is that the way we are going through in interpreting words these days . Interpreting words these days . Judy says if police arent applying the law, then the Police Commissioner should be sacked. But you see, judy, they are applying the law and that is the point. The as it stands, the point. The law as it stands, mean that doing at the mean that doing that at the weekend not illegal. Who is weekend is not illegal. Who is this someone saying , matt says this someone saying, matt says your your guest, james lives in a fantasy world. Anyone that was jewish on that tube would feel very intimidated. Dont have very intimidated. I dont have time james to respond in time for james to respond in full that. But do know that full to that. But i do know that james is jewish and he didnt feel frightened. But i also know that you are getting in that many of you are getting in touch and let me know that you are. Says. Partner is are. Angela says. My partner is jewish, and if he was on that tube, would have been tube, i know he would have been absolutely devastated. Had to be absolutely devastated. Had to be surrounded by those kind of chants. Now lets move on. Keep chants. Now lets move on. Keep your thoughts coming in on that, though. Im fascinated to hear what say. But the what you have to say. But the home apparently been home office apparently has been trying hide reports when it trying to hide reports when it comes just how bad modern comes to just how bad modern slavery is in this country, particularly in places like the farming sector. Some of the stuff that apparently has been going on is really pretty appalling. Shall come to you, appalling. Shall come to you, alex. The number of kind of modern slavery instances in this country seems to be going up. Yeah what do you think is the cause of that . People Smuggling Networks being successful and thats the first thing that i think drives it. And ironically, many people who think that they are helping would be refugees and Asylum Seekers who say basically dont stop the boats or, you know , stop the boats or, you know, dont deport people, make it more profitable and less risky and therefore makes modern day slavery less likely to be stopped. But i have a position on this that pleases nobody because is when people are here as registered would be as registered Asylum Seekers or would be refugees. I would allow them to work until their claims are processed. And i i think are processed. And i and i think that so gives large that not doing so gives large numbers people nothing numbers of people with nothing to do , a very frustrated sense to do, a very frustrated sense of their circumstances when they could be paying tax and working and doing something good. So instead, if i was more crossings though. No, but the point is that once people are here and if they are working , once people are here and if they are working, we once people are here and if they are working , we should get on are working, we should get on with it as soon as possible and process their claim, process their process, their refugee claim process, their refugee claim process, their seeking claim. But their asylum, seeking claim. But theyre in the system right there , identified theyre in a there, identified theyre in a place what i mean, one of the big complaints we have is that they go walkies. So one of the things most likely make them things most likely to make them stay is if can allow them stay put is if we can allow them to and on that earnings pay to earn and on that earnings pay some of the best things some tax. One of the best things about just pay about society if you just pay a little bit of tax, youre more involved in it. Youre more part of society than you were before. Yeah, im just astonished. That be you dont think that would be more for people more of a draw for people watching these daft tiktok videos seeing the situation videos and seeing the situation as draw is working as it is . So the draw is working in black economy not in the black economy and not paying in the black economy and not paying at all. Well, paying any tax at all. Well, what do you think to it at home, james . I actually completely agree with alex. I think i mean, horrible things happen in the margins and the margins and in darkness and the more things can be more that things can be regulated brought regulated and brought abroad above less likely above board, the less likely youre going this kind youre going to get this kind of, horrific hyper of, you know, horrific hyper exploitation. So i do think that people to work people should be allowed to work. Mean, know, we were. Also mean, you know, we were heanng. Also mean, you know, we were hearing on the earlier hearing on the show earlier about rising homelessness because people have removed from their accommodation. Well, if someone was working beforehand , someone was working beforehand, theyre much more likely to have theyre much more likely to have the money for a deposit or whatever might be. But also whatever that might be. But also here we are. You know, we are talking labour hyper talking about labour hyper exploitation here. Are exploitation here. So there are also issues with lack of regulation of particular sectors or lack of inspection of particular sectors. And also not having trade unions that are operating in them. Because if you have for example, in, you know, vegetable picking, if you had a trade that was had a trade union that was operating, you would have a partner was trying avoid partner that was trying to avoid this of hyper exploitation this kind of hyper exploitation thats yeah thats taking place. Yeah i mean, some of the stories that you read is really, really sickening. And its actually quite surprising that surprising to even think that thats kind of stuff can go on in britain. People in modern day britain. People raise concerns about various Different Things like your nail bars. Youve got a lot of nail bar, often bar, very cheap, often vietnamese, i have to say, nail bars popping up your car washes. Yeah. Hand car washing is another. Apparently area of gangmaster behaviour. Yeah. What do you think to it at home . Im fascinated by your thoughts on that. Do you think were doing enough . And that point that alex made as well and about people enter the about letting people enter the system legally quickly when they do arrive on these shores, is that the answer to some of these situations . As nick says, michel , this is nothing new. People have been paying below minimum wage for donkeys years, he says. As you know, he blames the immigration plan. Lots of things immigration plan. Lots of things coming through from nick there. Do you think this is just been going on for donkeys years and now perhaps people are slightly more focussed on it . Says, more focussed on it . John says, i dont signs of this i dont see any signs of this anywhere, how would you anywhere, but how would you know, though, john, ive just mentioned to you things like these nail bars, the car washes or stuff that. Or stuff like that. Most dont go out and most of us dont go out and inspect of fruit , right . Inspect fields of fruit, right . So its although you may well eat it and therefore its all vegetables. So its beyond your your ken as to whether or not its happening. Yeah. I have to say as well, yeah. I have to say as well, a lot of this apparently is happening in the care sector as well, i found quite well, which i found quite interesting because theres a lot of different visa systems now that have opened not just now that have opened up not just for workers. But now that have opened up not just for skill workers. But now that have opened up not just for skill shortages,. But now that have opened up not just for skill shortages, things ut your skill shortages, things like system. It has like the care system. It has attracted now a lot of people from overseas, perhaps to fill attracted now a lot of people fronvoidlrseas, perhaps to fill attracted now a lot of people fronvoid left s, perhaps to fill attracted now a lot of people fronvoid left byyerhaps to fill attracted now a lot of people fronvoid left by brexit; to fill attracted now a lot of people fronvoid left by brexit andfill the void left by brexit and people returning back to their homes, hasnt it . Yeah. And i think, you know, particularly Seasonal Work visas, anything thing where someone doesnt feel like theyre as much part of society, theyre as much part of society, they are going to be more able to be exploited because theyre less likely to know where to go, who to speak to, to have developed friends who speak english. Because thats you english. Because thats what you if moved here, the house if youve moved here, the house together together, its together to work together, its cetera. But if youre brought oven cetera. But if youre brought over, basically with a group of people who all speak the same language, who arent integrating into because youre into the society because youre not because youre not meant to, because youre only here for a months. The only here for a few months. The scope exploitation is, is scope for exploitation is, is much, much higher. Much, much, much higher. Look, there is a there are perfectly reasonable routes to Seasonal Working and to limited time working al fayed pet at all skilled workers can be summoned from one jurisdiction to another to work. There for some time and then go back in that time. They work, they earn, they pay, they remit money, they learn skills or teach skills to others. It can a good thing. The can be a very good thing. The worst thing in system were worst thing in this system were talking isnt or of talking about now isnt or of course, very bad if people course, its very bad if people are being abused in their workplace. The very worst is when under the when someone comes in under the aegis and then aegis of one scheme and then disappear and are abused. And thats where some of sexual thats where some of our Sexual Exploitation from. People exploitation comes from. People who in under seasonal who come in under a Seasonal Work wind up in work visa and then wind up in prostitution in the worst possible and the most base and abused circumstances and thats where its a very unfashionable part system. We part of the legal system. We should more enforcement should have more enforcement officers equipped and officers who are equipped and able go and do spot checks to able to go and do spot checks to make are doing what make sure people are doing what their were going their visa said they were going to there you go. To do. There you go. Let me know your thoughts on that ive got a huge that one. Ive got a huge response as well to that protest that saw at the weekend. So that we saw at the weekend. So i want bring some more you want to bring some more of you in on conversation after in on that conversation after the break. But i also to the break. But i also want to ask you about no fault evictions, that get evictions, things that get called 21. Basically called section 21. Basically whether a landlord should whether or not a landlord should ever out ever be able to turf out a tenant without giving any due at real reason. Where do you stand on that . See you into to gb news radio. Hi there, Michelle Dewberry. Hi there, Michelle Dewberry. Seven Pr Consultant alex dean alongside me, as is the former advisor to jeremy corbyn. James schneider. Lots of you getting in touch about that conversation, the protests at the start of the show about calling jihad on the streets and also the tube driver chanting the free palestine situation. A lot of people are taking issue with your position , james, with your position, james, saying that its quite an extremist position. What would you say to that . Free, free palestine is extremist just your kind of sentiment, i guess, that people are theyre asking, for example , are theyre asking, for example, are theyre asking, for example, are you not familiar with the Hamas Charter when theyre talking about free palestine there and the risk to jewish people . Yeah, i mean, hamas doesnt have a monopoly over the Palestinian People and their rights under international law. The Palestinian People have a right to dignity , freedom and right to dignity, freedom and Self Determination , the same as Self Determination, the same as anybody else does. And so to say anybody else does. And so to say free palestine is to say that they have equal rights and they should have equal rights, and they have equal worth and value, as the three of us sitting here is. I mean, i think to say the opposite is the extreme position. I think that seems to me sort of unimpeachable. I cant imagine i would struggle to understand how anybody could oppose that basic position. Oppose that basic position. I think no, i think jamess distinction between the people of palestine and hamas is completely reasonable. I mean, how could one not the part of the trouble is that people have overlooked some of the consequences of that. And the people being abused people of palestine being abused caused so much by hamas, the people of gaza have suffered under 17 years of non democracy in which they received aid that was basically withheld from the people that were supposed to get it. Water pipes put in the ground, and then dug up and turned into rockets and theyve been seriously misled by an organisation that doesnt care if it uses its own people as human shields. Indeed rather glories in the death of their own if it advances their cause. Own if it advances their cause. And so whilst i accept the distinction that james makes, i might be, i think rather more hard edged about the consequences it as far as consequences of it as far as hamas concerned. Well hamas is concerned. Well there you go. Shall leave you guys to i shall leave you guys to keep your thoughts coming in on that. I want to talk to you about in country. About renting in this country. Many will landlords many of you will be landlords and you will be tenants. And many of you will be tenants. So of course youll be familiar by now. Then with rent by now. Then with the rent reform thats trying to reform bill thats trying to pass the commons, pass through the commons, as we speak, of contention speak, a big bone of contention within bill is whats within this bill is whats called section 21. It often gets referred to basically as like no fault eviction options. Now it looks like as the government wanted to scrap that. So basically you wasnt allowed as a landlord to kick people out essentially for no good reason. Now it looks like the scrapping of be out into of that will be kicked out into the grass to allow lots of the long grass to allow lots of the long grass to allow lots of the court system and all the rest of it to play catch up in some of the ways it needs to enable but still, the enable that. But still, the debate about whether debate rumbles on about whether or should have or not a landlord should have that or not. Where are you that right or not. Where are you on it . They should absolutely have that weve in cities that right. Weve seen in cities whats where you freeze whats happened where you freeze tenancy aspic, whether tenancy rights in aspic, whether it control in it be rent control as in new york or in berlin , and you can york or in berlin, and you can really handicap a sector no fault eviction at the close of a tenancy or at least with notice is a vital part of property ownership. If a tenant can roll on a tenancy against the wishes of landlord, it materially of their landlord, it materially diminishes the amenity value of the property and probably the cash property as cash value of the property as well. A tenant doing that would constitute risk to the to your constitute a risk to the to your property. And when risk is involved in a contract, the price goes up. So this would likely inflate rents and it would also make it less likely that people decide to rent out their properties in the first place. So diminishing the property pool. So it seems to me its a very bad idea. And thats before you even get on to the fact that it diminishes Property Rights pretty fundamentally fact that it diminishes Property Rights prsomethingnentally fact that it diminishes Property Rights prsomething either. Y fact that it diminishes Property Rights prsomething either belongs because something either belongs to or it doesnt. James to you or it doesnt. James i take the exact opposite position. Think that everybody i think that everybody should have security in where they live , regardless, whatever their type of housing tenure is. And this the change these laws, when they eventually come through, its not stopping landlords getting their property back. Getting their property back. They can get the property back if they want to sell it, they can get the property back if they want to live in it or a close Family Member wants to live in it, they can get the property back. If youre not paying property back. If youre not paying they get the paying rent, they can get the property if youve engaged property back. If youve engaged in right . In antisocial behaviour, right . Those are reasons to end a tenancy. Those are reasons to end of tenure that end the security of tenure that everybody should be able to have. But for no reason at all. It seems completely it seems completely baffling. Life is already extremely difficult for tenants. The average rent is something absurd , like thousand something absurd, like thousand hundred pounds a month or £1,350 a month and set to go up and up. I mean, housing costs in general are too high. Weve had stupid increases in Interest Rates which hit people with which have hit people with mortgages. So, yes, i mean, this mortgages. So, yes, i mean, this is a small reform that will make life slightly easier for tenants. And so on that basis, it is its to be welcomed. The answer seems to me, to the problems james rightly identifies about a lack of housing is to have a much more liberal housing regime and build many more properties, both flats and houses. And houses. I agree. We need to we need to build more houses and the flats and flats and houses. People should have homes and they should have secure city in they should have secure city in the homes. And think that the homes. And i think that those things dont run those two things dont run contrary to each other fact, contrary to each other in fact, to me, think they run, they to me, i think they run, they run together. Want to live run together. We i want to live in a society where everybody can feel safe and secure in the home that they are , that theyre in. That they are, that theyre in. And you dont have the idea that you could be kicked out, whether it is by the bank or whether it is by the landlord. When you have wrong, have done nothing wrong, that shouldnt case. Shouldnt be the case. It seems me that if you it seems to me that if you lets take real lets take make it real somewhat, we had a lot of people move out london during covid. Move out of london during covid. They preferred to go to somewhere more leafy and suburban or rural, and they perhaps for a couple of perhaps did that for a couple of years. And they a place in years. And they had a place in london and they they rented it out. It seems to me theyre perfectly entitled back perfectly entitled to come back and dont know what im and say, i dont know what im going to do with my property and say, i dont know what im goin but do with my property and say, i dont know what im goin but im with my property and say, i dont know what im goin but im coming property and say, i dont know what im goin but im coming backerty and say, i dont know what im goin but im coming back and yet, but im coming back and i may live it, i may sell it. May live in it, i may sell it. I may live in it, i may sell it. I may want to refurbish it. I may want to do Something Different with im going to give due with it. Im going to give due nofice with it. Im going to give due notice to my tenants not out tomorrow, due notice tomorrow, but with due notice off you go. Because when i come back london, i want to do back to london, i want to do something the Something Different with the flat within. Flat totally within. Law wouldnt stop you so this law wouldnt stop you doing would doing that because you would say, back into the say, im moving back into the flat and you would move. Why should have to state why should you have to state your what dont your reason . What about i dont like you notice . Why like you . Do you notice . Why not . Your property. Not . Its your property. I think that the idea because i think that the idea that should have the that everybody should have the security trumps security in their tenure trumps as someone property as someone who has property saying dont like belongs as someone who has property sajyou, dont like belongs as someone who has property sajyou, if dont like belongs as someone who has property sajyou, if in dont like belongs as someone who has property sajyou, if in the nt like belongs as someone who has property sajyou, if in the course belongs as someone who has property sajyou, if in the course ofelongs as someone who has property sajyou, if in the course of your; to you, if in the course of your tenancy youve got up my nose, youve written to me in a way i dont like, youve you havent vandalised property, but vandalised the property, but you havent for it. Havent cared for it. I be why shouldnt i should be able get rid of. I dont by able to get rid of. I dont by the way, not a landlord. The way, im not a landlord. I dont have any problems. You know, there i think you know, there theres hierarchy of rights theres a hierarchy of rights and naft me off a little and youve naft me off a little bit. Comes down. So lets talk about hierarchy. Bit. Comes down. So lets talk about youirchy. Bit. Comes down. So lets talk about you have the right to stay so you have the right to stay in my property in perpetuity. So im paying. Im. Im paying, im paying you rent our tenants. So in your hierarchy of rights are the tenants rights in your mind above that of the landlord. Well i mean it it depends. I mean, i think its perfectly reasonable that a landlord can get their property back if they want to sell it, if they or a Family Member, you know, my kid is home or something. Is leaving home or something. They live in that they want to live in that perfectly if the perfectly reasonable. If the rent paid perfectly rent isnt being paid perfectly reasonable, someones reasonable, if someones trashing the property anti social perfectly anti social behaviour, perfectly reasonable. But i anti social behaviour, perfectly reasonable. But i think that anti social behaviour, perfectly reasonable. But i think that the reasonable. But i think that the quiet enjoyment of the home, which is enshrined in the 1987 tenants and landlords act, should be extended and you should be extended and you should. And those rights are important. Thats about things like stopping the landlord come coming in without due notice and so forth, which of course i agree with for as long as the tenancy is live. But why shouldnt a landlord be able to say, prefer this tenant to say, i prefer this tenant to that tenant . Indeed i think that tenant . Or indeed i think i suspect a large part of the reason these evictions happen is because landlord wants to because the landlord wants to raise rent beyond a point in raise the rent beyond a point in which tenant is willing to which the tenant is willing to p which the tenant is willing to pay. Circumstances, pay. And in those circumstances, in environment in an inflationary environment where entitled , it where landlords are entitled, it seems the best of seems to me to make the best of their as they would. Their property as they would. I think thats completely reasonable. Well, dont think that. Well, i dont think that. I think rent is much too high. Think the rent is much too high. I think we need rent caps and we need move towards rent caps. Need to move towards rent caps. Paul blimey, we need to move towards having housing that is affordable. Affordable. Last month on the channel, i think maybe you, we think maybe even with you, we were discussing extent to were discussing the extent to which the housing pool has diminished the availability of properties to rent has diminished. How much more do you think thatll case think thatll be the case with the cap . Well the renting rental cap . Well i mean, i dont think it should be a policy alone. I think it should also go with large scale building of with the large scale building of social housing and Community Land trusts. But we have an absurd situation. The average absurd situation. The average rent is £30, 50 a month. That is an absurd , total absurdity. An absurd, total absurdity. A total absurdity. So unless we have policies which are going to actively bring down the cost of rent, im really not very interested in saying, oh, well, what about the rights of all someones naf me off . Im a bit upset about this or oh no, you cant do that because its unworkable. Then tell how unworkable. Then tell me, how are make the rent are you going to make the rent cheaper . Because people cant afford pay. Afford to pay. Well, you can get in touch. People will be divided at home. Let tell you for why. Because let me tell you for why. Because as million households rent as 8. 5 million households rent in of those rent in the uk, half of those rent privately, the other 4 million are social renters. Just to give are social renters. Just to give you a little bit of context before i head to a break, rental costs are two and a half, sorry, two times higher for private renters than social renters. And apparently theres 2. 74 million landlords in this country. Which side of the fence are you on and what do you make to it all . And by the way, we talk about building houses all the time. You can build all the houses that you want, quite frankly. But we keep increasing the but if we keep increasing the population at the rate of which we do, well never have enough homes, but perhaps that we do, well never have enough hconei, but perhaps that we do, well never have enough hcone for but perhaps that we do, well never have enough hcone for anotheryut perhaps that we do, well never have enough hcone for another day. Arhaps that we do, well never have enough hcone for another day. Dont that we do, well never have enough hcone for another day. Dont go at is one for another day. Dont go anywhere. Your feedback anywhere. Lots of your feedback on topic bring in on that last topic to bring in after the break. It has got you guys talking, for sure. Guys talking, thats for sure. But also want to talk to you but i also want to talk to you about teeth. Yes. You did about your teeth. Yes. You did hear right. There is hear it, right. There is a dental crisis in this country. Have able to get in to have you been able to get in to see dentist . How do we fix see your dentist . How do we fix the problems in this sector . You tell me hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till seven. Alex dean and James Schneider remain alongside me. We were just talking about the rental sector, whether or not landlords should be able to get rid of tenants with no real reason. Alison says. Alison says alex was bang on the money with this. Im a landlord and if i dont like my tenants, they are out of my house. Its my home and its up to me who is in it and how long they stay. Paul says the best way to fix all of this is to echo jamess point build more housing. So many of you are getting in touch, warren says. Im a letting agent and a section 21 notice is a must to protect the landlords. Landlords dont evict tenants for no reason. They dont evict good tenants. He goes on about its either not paying the rent or not looking after the property. He talks about something called a section eight, which is very difficult often for a landlord to use, and hes saying that theyre not for theyre basically not fit for purpose. Puzzle now is purpose. But the puzzle now is to expand the section eight. So that landlords can apparently or will be able to use those more efficiently rid of efficiently to get rid of problem tenants when they need to. That really has divided to. But that really has divided you, david says. Of course, landlords should be to landlords should be able to claim back their property. They own it. Simple as that, carol says. Of course this all of this could lead to gazumping. But when it comes to rent, youre going to have a plethora of landlords basically kicking people right people out left, right and centre. Because want centre. Just because they want to increasing the rents. If to keep increasing the rents. If you allow a section 21 to continue, keep your thoughts coming to to you coming in. I want to talk to you about something that you guys are me really are telling me is really a serious out there and serious problem out there and thatis serious problem out there and that is your teeth , your access that is your teeth, your access or lack of. So it would appear to getting in to see a dentist tens of thousands of people now are rocking up to a e with quite advanced tooth decay because they cannot get hold of someone. And to according labour analysis, nearly 70,000 people were treated with a disease in Emergency Departments over the last year. Many people now resorting to pulling out their own teeth at home. Some of you have been getting involved in this conversation already. Jack has said, im a veteran. And dunng has said, im a veteran. And during lockdown, i pulled five of my teeth out. I was in so of my teeth out. I was in so much pain, there was nothing else i could do. Linda says. Else i could do. Linda says. I am a retiring nhs dentist. Im fed up with being told the broken system will be fixed. All practises are paid a different rates. That was set in 2006 and some practise is appeared three times as much as others based on patients as in 2005 and patients need as in 2005 and they never assessed again. On your on this, jims. Your thoughts on this, jims. Yeah. I mean there are dental yeah. I mean there are dental street doesnt really work in this country clearly. I mean and in the us theres a sort of running joke that the brits have bad teeth. We used to have dentistry within the nhs system , dentistry within the nhs system, fully within within the nhs , not fully within within the nhs, not for very long after the nhs was founded and i think in the medium term thats what needs to happen again. Basically the nhs happen again. Basically the nhs put back into to being an nhs , a put back into to being an nhs, a full nhs service which will cost, which will cost money, but if we dont do it, it is already costing us money. I mean, if 70,000 people are going to ana a e when they shouldnt be going to a e, i mean the cost is still being borne, is still being borne im absolutely borne somewhere, im absolutely astonished by how people astonished by how many people are getting touch with me, are getting in touch with me, telling that had to telling me that theyve had to pull earned one, one pull out their earned one, one very kind viewer even provided photographs, which youre all having your tea. So i shall refrain from sharing. But you get you get the picture. Alex yeah, i mean that 70,000 figures really quite alarming , 70,000 figures really quite alarming, isnt it . On the other hand, i do point out that were spending both more than weve ever spent before on the nhs and a bigger proportion of our Government Spending before. And in the spending than before. And in the end, perhaps one of the ways if were going to keep the nhs as it is, it continues dos, that it is, it continues dos, is that we bits of it that can we have the bits of it that can be hived off, are hived off. I have an nhs dentist, but you know, look to theres £3 know, i look to theres £3 billion. The state currently spends dentistry and spends on on dentistry and appointments in 2022 to 2023 have grown in double digits from the year before. So it seems to me things are moving in the right direction. Actually, its always an unfashionable thing for somebody to sounds for somebody to say it sounds like defending like mildly defending the government, round it government, butjust to round it off, michel, its very easy for appointment figures off, michel, its very easy for appointmentfigures rise appointment figures to rise because it seems to me the biggest danger to biggest single danger to peoples country peoples teeth in this country in times isnt a lack in recent times isnt a lack of dentists it lockdown and dentists. It was lockdown and the amount of sugar people eat and the lack of ability to brush teeth as well. We spoke about this on a show a couple of weeks about the a couple of weeks ago about the fact was suggesting fact that labour was suggesting having supervised tooth brushing in schools try and help some in schools to try and help some of these problems in later life. Of these problems in later life. Il says, i dont even know what youre all talking about. Ive got no problems whatsoever seeing the dentist. And in fact, ive received email ive just received an email telling due my telling me that im due for my check up well, that is very fascinating and good for your teeth, where do you teeth, phil but where do you live . Because that situation is definitely replicated. Definitely not replicated. Gary says the south. I says, we live in the south. I was evicted from my nhs dentist eight years ago because they chose go private. Only, chose to go private. Only, he says his wife have not says he and his wife have not been to get registered with been able to get registered with another dentist at ever another nhs dentist at ever since. He says it is an absolute disgrace and if you are a dentist you should only be able to operate if you have a High Percentage of nhs clients. Lots of you guys are sending me fascinating details of how indeed youve pulled your own teeth out. I dont want to know. Thank you very much. Im getting some very colourful explanations of what people did there. I mean , isnt there a compromise there . People who are in receipt of benefits get those people who are real need get those benefits, get that benefit from the state. But it seems to me if were going to continue with a system that has the safety net, rightly, that is reasonable and generous , then some of us have generous, then some of us have got to be willing to our got to be willing to put our handin got to be willing to put our hand in our pocket sometimes and not just pull a piece hand in our pocket sometimes and notjust pull a piece of not just to pull out a piece of string to yank our own string to yank out our own tooth, to pay for something tooth, but to pay for something thats well within our means and is reasonably priced. Go. Lots of people there you go. Lots of people still getting in touch about the topic that really has divided you, is rental you, which is the rental conversation. Perhaps we shall continue another continue with that for another day, for now its all ive day, but for now its all ive got time for. James. Alex, thank you. Thank got time for. James. Alex, thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank home. Have a good thank you at home. Have a good night. Up next, night. Nigel farage up next, nana. Hello. Very good evening. Im alex your latest alex burkill. Heres your latest gb update. Its gb news weather update. Its already started to turn bit already started to turn a bit wet windy across parts, wet and windy across some parts, but and rain will but the wind and rain will become more widespread we go become more widespread as we go overnight tuesday. Theres overnight into tuesday. Theres a pushing its way a system pushing its way northwards but northwards up from france, but also separate front thats also a separate front thats currently making its way northeastwards across southwestern parts of the uk. This will bring some heavy rain as go through the end of the this will bring some heavy rain as across hrough the end of the this will bring some heavy rain as across south westend of the this will bring some heavy rain as across South West Wales the this will bring some heavy rain as across South West Wales ins day across South West Wales in particular and then spread into more through the more central parts through the early hours. Also some persistent rain starting in persistent rain starting off in the south east pushing more the south east pushing into more Eastern England eastern north Eastern England through early hours of through the early hours of tuesday a fairly mild night. Tuesday to a fairly mild night. For it could be a for many, though, it could be a little chilly across the north west of scotland, perhaps a frost here for many. A touch of frost here for many. Tuesday going to be a much tuesday is going to be a much wetter on monday. Wetter picture than on monday. Heavy, across heavy, persistent rain across northern eastern of northern eastern parts of england. Could see some high england. Could see some high totals, be some disruption totals, could be some disruption here, of flooding to here, chance of some flooding to elsewhere. Some bright, sunny spells, but also a scattering of showers. And these showers could turn perhaps even turn heavy, perhaps even thundery south. Thundery towards the south. Temperatures near for the temperatures near normal for the time were looking at time of year. Were looking at highs 14 or 15 celsius in highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the south. Further north highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the wednesday further north highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the wednesday , further north highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the wednesday , we her north highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the wednesday , we willnorth highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the wednesday , we will see1 highs around 14 or 15 celsius in the wednesday , we will see a into wednesday, we will see a spell of wet weather across the southeast to start. And also some rain pushing into eastern parts perhaps parts of scotland, perhaps north east that could north east england. That could turn bit heavy turn a little bit heavy at times. And aid coming so close to heavy we last to the heavy rain. We saw last week, could make ongoing week, it could make ongoing issues worse and othennise , as issues worse and othennise, as we through the rest the we go through the rest of the week, were with the week, were staying with the unsettled with further unsettled picture with further wind and rain, but good evening. After three months of waiting, i finally got back my natwest bank subject access request. At a moment, ill tell request. At a moment, ill tell you what dame alison roses team had to say about me under her woke culture at the bank. It is even more poisonous than what coutts had to say about me. I wonder at the Board Meeting that comes up this thursday whether she should really walk away with £11 million. Well look back at the weekends marches, the chanting that was going on, the flags that were being carried. Ill the question does ill ask the question does radical islam now have free reign this country . Did the reign in this country . Did the police or do they police get it wrong or do they need powers and well need more powers and well finish with finance as well. The phillips scandal, how phillips truss scandal, how people who were clients of Building Society bars were referred to companies. They lost referred to companies. They lost an awful lot of money. Some of these one of the victims these people, one of the victims joins tonight. Would joins me tonight. It would appear the financial conduct joins me tonight. It would appear thsimply cial conduct joins me tonight. It would appear thsimply dont nduct joins me tonight. It would appear thsimply dont care t authority simply dont care about individuals losing their money. All of that comes after the news with polly middlehurst. The news with polly middlehurst. Nigel, thank you and good evening. The top story tonight , evening. The top story tonight, the Prime Minister has confirmed that the gaza hospital blast last week was likely caused by a missile launching towards israel. Rishi sunak said in the commons today. The al hospital