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Headliners. Hello and welcome to headliners. Your first look at mondays papers. Im andrew mondays papers. Im andrew doyle and im joined on this autumnal evening by a bountiful harvest. Host of autumnal evening by a bountiful harvest. Host of comedians taking a break from carving his pumpkin is josh howie and fresh from his chestnuts , from roasting his chestnuts, its kerry marks. How are you both . Its very poetic language. Its very poetic language. Its very poetic language. Its a poetic, slightly surreal start to the show. Thats what im talking about myself and what ive been up to. Thank you. Exactly. Thats what myself and what ive been up to. Tfeel. You. Exactly. Thats what myself and what ive been up to. Tfeel. Yotrole actly. Thats what myself and what ive been up to. Tfeel. Yotrole is. Y. Thats what myself and what ive been up to. Tfeel. Yotrole is. Anyway, what myself and what ive been up to. Tfeel. Yotrole is. Anyway, were i feel my role is. Anyway, were going to have a look at the start pages start of these front pages for monday. Is monday. The daily mail is leading with suella fury at suella fury at met over jihad chants. Were going to get to that in just one moment. The guardian has pressure intensifies on israel to negotiate release of gaza hostage says times is hostage says the times is running with braverman takes on met chief over jihad protest. The express same story suella to quiz met chief on jihadi chants at rally. The eye news has home office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan and finally the daily star here we grow something to do with a cure for baldness. Those were your front pages. Baldness. Those were your front pages. And were going to kick pages. And were going to kick off with mondays guardian. Josh, what are they leading with . Yeah i mean, over the last couple of weeks, weve seen some pretty what i would argue, very shameful , shoddy journalism, shameful, shoddy journalism, certainly from bbc and sky, who just happened to be our competitors. Competitors. But thats got nothing to do with it. Its irrelevant. But irrelevant. Yeah. About this hostel that bombed and 500 hostel that was bombed and 500 people turns people dead. And then it turns out wasnt hostel bombed out it wasnt the hostel bombed at israel, and at all and it wasnt israel, and it park that had a it was a car park that had a dentin it was a car park that had a dent in it. I think trouble that i think the trouble is that they are. They were reading hamas are. We are. We have well, here we are. We have the here with maybe one the guardian here with maybe one of disgraceful of the most disgraceful headunes of the most disgraceful headlines that ive seen in this time, pressure intensive eyes on israel negotiate release of israel to negotiate release of gaza hostages. So if you maybe gaza hostages. So if you maybe didnt know anything about this, yes. You would think somehow its israels or israel its israels fault or israel could get them back. And if israel just does this, its like its odd way to spin. Its an odd way to spin. This isnt it . I mean, its clearly the hostage takers who are at fault. Are at fault. Yeah. And so its sort of this this switch, which is what weve seen all the way around, that somehow its israel to blame the kidnapping, 212 of blame for the kidnapping, 212 of its own. So i have to ask, what can you really do . These arent people who can be reasoned with. No, there are people who decapitate babies and things i cant even i dont want to say. It makes me feel so. So. So how israel putting so. So how can israel putting pressure on israel to do what exactly . To go and speak to exactly . To go and speak to psychopaths . How does that work . Psychopaths . How does that work . Reason with you cant reason with religious fundamentalists. No, no. And so the idea that this no. And so the idea that this headune no. And so the idea that this headline that somehow israel bears any responsibility for the situation or to , you know, its situation or to, you know, its doing what it can to get back its citizens, which is to go in there and to get them back physically. I mean it is going to be tricky, very hard, very. I think tricky, very hard, very. I think two hostages have been released thus far, right . Is that right . Two, far. But, of course , two, two so far. But, of course, once you a ground invasion, once you have a ground invasion, its going to be i dont know what they this what else they can do at this point. What else they can do at this poiitheyre to release khaled. Theyve 110 hostages theyve got 110 hostages to play theyve got 110 hostages to play 212 is it . Play with. So 212 is it . So, yeah, i think its over 200. Theyre going to be able to do for a of pr release to do for a bit of pr release to here to there. You say, how do you but as you say, how do you negotiate people do negotiate with people who do unspeakable children unspeakable things to children on of that . On top of that . Know, i know if i was in you know, i know if i was in that situation, im coward. That situation, im a coward. Be is i would i know how id be is i would want country to either get me want my country to either get me out or bomb where am right now out or bomb where i am right now and out with me and take them out with me because impossible. Because its just impossible. Want to have to go i dont want to have to go through those kind of those kind of just of conditions are just unthinkable the hostages unthinkable of what the hostages will right now. Unthinkable of what the hostages wiliexactly. Right now. Exactly. Exactly. Horrible. Think of horrible. And to think of what going what the families are going through just through at the moment is just but its also we keep hearing through at the moment is just butoveralso we keep hearing through at the moment is just butover the we keep hearing through at the moment is just butover the place ep hearing through at the moment is just butover the place aboutaring through at the moment is just butover the place about how all over the place about how israel these or israel has all these hostages or actually what they call prisoners children and babies prisoners of children and babies and on. And so on. And it always turns out that these that israel has these children that israel has got beards and got have got beards and submachine guns and are trained , submachine guns and are trained, you know, military people. So you know, military people. So what they should be doing is making all the making a list of all the children they claim that israel has under tens little, has children under tens little, little children and put out that list and say, well do an exchange lets see list and say, well do an excharthose lets see list and say, well do an excharthose children ets see list and say, well do an excharthose children are. See list and say, well do an excharthose children are. Ife where those children are. If they , because just where those children are. If they exist. Because just dont exist. They dont exist. They dont exist. Yeah. I mean , theres been yeah. I mean, theres been a lot of cases , like you say, lot of cases, like you say, where the way in which these things are being reported have been strange insofar as i been quite strange insofar as i dont want the newspapers to be taking stuff. Taking a stance on this stuff. I want conveyed want the facts conveyed and thats need this thats it. I dont need this kind of subtle well, its the ideology that we see creeping into other topics that weve covered previously in terms of trans debate , covid lots of just trans debate, covid lots of just everything. Now well, i think this is it. You people all theres been a shift, i over the last weeks. I feel, over the last few weeks. Heres yet more situation heres yet one more situation where people are going, wait a minute, what were seeing here doesnt correlate to what were seeing on social media. I dont know. I think theres still a large number of people just number of people who just romanticise they believe romanticise what they believe for going be. For sure is going to be. I feel more and more but i feel more and more people are waking up. But i feel more and more peo but are waking up. But i feel more and more peo but those|king up. But i feel more and more peo but those peoplei. Theres but those people and theres also who also the people who really believe get rid of israel. Believe that get rid of israel. Youre going to have this lovely little gets little area where everyone gets on, to be on, well, theres going to be a democracy, even though there is on, well, theres going to be a de|example even though there is on, well, theres going to be a de|example ofen though there is on, well, theres going to be a de|example of it though there is on, well, theres going to be a de|example of it anywhere. Are is on, well, theres going to be a de|example of it anywhere. Oh,; no example of it anywhere. Oh, everyone theyve everyone thinks theyve got a solution. Everyone thinks theyve got a solutiori its just but i mean, its just interesting because used to interesting because i used to say guardian, well, interesting because i used to say know, guardian, well, interesting because i used to say know, the guardian, well, interesting because i used to say know, the newinan, well, interesting because i used to say know, the news reporting is you know, the news reporting is fine. Are fine. The opinion columns are all and all over the place. And but actually, way actually, i dont feel that way anymore. Like the news anymore. I feel like the news reporting, just reporting, not just the guardian, fair, other guardian, to be fair, other papers as well. But i wish papers as well. But i just wish there a clear there could be a clear delineation and delineation between opinion and news. Absolute and now this is what you have to do. People go to to do. People have to go to different sources. Hello . Different sources. Hello . Actually, yes , this is very much actually, yes, this is very much an opinion show. Should we should we should we should we should we should emphasise, least were at emphasise, but at least were at least honest about that. Were emphasise, but at least were at least hit|est about that. Were emphasise, but at least were at least h it|estfront, that. Were emphasise, but at least were at least hit|estfront, yout. Were emphasise, but at least were at least hit|estfront, you know,e saying it up front, you know, okay, going to okay, were going to move on to mondays times. Carry what are they this follows they leading this follows on with braverman with this this braverman taking on met chief over the jihad on the met chief over the jihad protest and theres me out of that protest. Theres a picture in the photo, though. Josh no. See you photo, though. Josh no. See you there. Yeah. No, the, the. No, the, the. Ive got to say, i dont envy the police having to having to police these kind of things anyway. Theyre very complicated. Yes. Theyre massive. Theres 100,000 people and so on. But when they start really gaslighting us and telling us what jihad means and telling us whatjihad means and it really it means its just another way of saying we love you, you know, and its not we know what it means. We know there are meanings it. But there are meanings of it. But thats it means in thats not what it means in this context, where people are shouting jihad. Shouting for jihad. There are of it there are meanings of it which non violent. That is which are non violent. That is true. Guy who was using true. But the guy who was using the was also talking about the term was also talking about armies. Yes, he had signs that muslim armies its not ambiguous in case. And so therefore in this case. And so therefore and ut tahrir who are and its hizb ut tahrir who are bannedin and its hizb ut tahrir who are banned in most arab countries. They are a militant group. You know, thats the group that maajid to be with already. Its already frightening. 100,000 people and ive seen a number of people doing takes today on social media and so on, saying were going to win this. Weve got more than they have. And so the point. And so thats the whole point. Thats what youre missing, is that are only 2. 2 of the that jews are only 2. 2 of the entire world. Yeah, we are literally this whole entire studio. Studio. Thats half of us here. Thats right. Youre all about the diversity here at. So butjust diversity here at. So but just let me ask you about this, because theres also the freedom of issue surrounding of speech issue surrounding this. Speech this. I mean, im a free speech absolutist, i think even if absolutist, and i think even if people to and chant people want to stand and chant really things the really unpleasant things on the streets, able to really unpleasant things on the strn so. I, able to really unpleasant things on the strn so. I, what able to really unpleasant things on the strnso. S, what bothers1ble to really unpleasant things on the strnso. S, what bothers me to really unpleasant things on the strnso. S, what bothers me about do so. But what bothers me about this is very much the double standards here. I mean, the police have been arresting women for like for tweets or Something Like this, which is clearly whats called violence, quite exactly. Which is illegal incitement to violence is illegal. So. So where do you stand on that . I mean, what would you do about this situation . Yeah, thats freedom of speech absolutely bedrock speech is absolutely a bedrock of democracy. Ive of a liberal democracy. Ive read your book, of and read your book, half of it. And thats definitely what came across, by the way, looking at that picture in the background, ijust say that picture in the background, i just say is i just want to say there is there is a slight thing here where its like it looks like the for bring back the the vigil for the bring back the kidnapped people, which was wear out today, which is in the photo. It looks thats what the. It looks like thats what the protest talking protest is that theyre talking about were jews about here. There were no jews calling should calling forjihad. I should point right . Point that out right . Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is confusing the slightly framing were slightly strange framing were talking is the talking about. This is the protest saturday. 100,000 talking about. This is the protest yes. Aturday. 100,000 talking about. This is the protest yes. Around 100,000 talking about. This is the protest yes. Around london. ,000 people. Yes. Around london. This is the story below the picture which is unrelated to the picture. The picture. Yeah, but its related. Yeah, but what its related. But the side of the coin. But the flip side of the coin. But the flip side of the coin. But yeah, crazy about but yeah, the crazy thing about yesterday it was yesterday and to go into it was you met having their you had the met having their twitter putting this twitter account putting out this stuff and just lying about stuff there. Like there was a guy dancing on a bus with a flag and theyre like, worry, we theyre like, dont worry, we intervened. We got down intervened. We got him down safely intervened. We got him down safe like, why didnt him like, well, why didnt you arrest turns out arrest him . Or do it turns out they nothing with they had nothing to do with getting this person down. There was footage someone getting this person down. There wcoming footage someone getting this person down. There wcoming footagfrom someone getting this person down. There wcoming footagfrom scaffolding getting this person down. There wcwoff ng footagfrom scaffolding getting this person down. There wcwoff ngflare,15from scaffolding getting this person down. There wcwoff ngflare, andn scaffolding getting this person down. There w c off ngflare, and n sc police ng let off a flare, and the police are like, well, heres your flag back. It again. Back. Yeah, dont do it again. And like it and and it was just like it was. And then this whole thing about retweeting which retweeting people as well, which was decision, was a really bad decision, suddenly themselves suddenly people found themselves inundated. Inundated with hatred. Little bit like it looked a little bit like there teenage there was some teenage intern Running Police twitter running the met Police Twitter account. I suspect that that does sometimes, this does happen sometimes, like this isnt flag. Isnt an isis flag. Dont worry, we dont have the out it was the rest of it turns out it was another Islamic Jihad flag or whatever. Like they just whatever. Its like they just hadnt done their job and it felt like they were just very unwilling to confront of unwilling to confront any of this quickly this stuff. Can i just quickly ask you we all know ask i mean, you we all know about the rotherham scandal. Cetera, where it was et cetera, where it was discovered in report that discovered in the report that the failed because the police failed to act because they being they were concerned about being seen muslim or whatever, seen as anti muslim or whatever, or there would racial or that there would be racial tension. Theyre tension. Is that why theyre trying this and trying to excuse this and saying, not do anything saying, lets not do anything about it . I think they outnumbered i think they were outnumbered. Outnumbered,. I think they were outnumbered, but it wasnt people but it wasnt 100,000 people involved thing. Involved in the jihadi thing. Was just that was just that was just that was just a small should said. Small group that should be said. Same time, its but at the same time, its the hypocrisy to me is the problem. Exactly you problem. Exactly what you pointed that pointed out a moment ago, that we laws , we we either have these laws, we have hate speech have laws against hate speech and then say doesnt apply and then say it doesnt apply justin and then say it doesnt apply just in these conditions where were it. Right. Were scared to apply it. Right. Thats just silly. I just want to say what so i just want to say what youre there. There was youre saying there. There was another got another thing where youve got jewish being jewish people who are being taken side and told that taken to side and told that theyre arrested for theyre going to be arrested for breaking know , wheres breaking the you know, wheres the rights here . Theres a conflict of rights. It just feels as though sometimes police side sometimes the police have a side. Lot of different. Yeah, in a lot of different topics, you know, and they really shouldnt basically. Okay. So to the eye now okay. Right. So to the eye now josh front cover of the eye on monday. What we got home . Monday. What have we got home . Good because this monday. What have we got home . just good because this monday. What have we got home . just to good because this monday. What have we got home . just to businessause this is just back to business as usual. Well, our favourite topic, this is the good this is like the good old days here. Oh, home office. This isnt toxic office in toxic at all. Home office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan. Obviously the i not having an agenda at all the way theyve done so there you know the desperation of Suella Braverman to make this her sort of flagship policy. Yeah everything rests on it but theyre just the her own officials are basically saying that its stupid, its absurd. Its not going to materialise. Yes the a lot of theissue materialise. Yes the a lot of the issue seems to be the fact that rwanda was chosen as the country. Yes theres nothing wrong with necessarily the legality of putting people. Legality of putting people. You mean because people have because its technically an unsafe country. If it was classified if it was it was classified as what is a safe country. As what is a safe country. The Rwandan Government would disagree on that. Well, disagree with you on that. Well, the would. Disagree with you on that. Well, the but would. Disagree with you on that. Well, the but the jld. Disagree with you on that. Well, the but the a i. Disagree with you on that. Well, the but the a lot of people but but the a lot of people still the of the still have the thought of the genocide in their minds. They have feeling and they have this feeling about sense what the about a sense of what the country doesnt country is, which doesnt actually match what it is these days. Its an days. I wouldnt say its an amazing days. I wouldnt say its an am izing not that there has to be. A Rwandan Government says it is amazing. Well, hamas says an well, hamas says its an amazing kerry. Rwanda saying its rwanda is saying that. Stop its all. I dont see stop now. Its all. I dont see how this were going how this ends. Were going backwards fonnards. Backwards and fonnards. And well, this is backwards and fonnards, but i want to ask you specifically because specifically about this because the know, the trouble is partly, you know, both labour and the conservatives with both labour and the conssmall es with both labour and the conssmall boats with both labour and the conssmall boats crisis. With both labour and the conssmall boats crisis. Right. Th this small boats crisis. Right. And that they can. And they both say that they can. The the rwanda plan the problem with the rwanda plan is did silly , you is it always did seem silly, you know, insofar as, oh, well just put to rwanda. Put them on a plane to rwanda. It like really stupid it sounds like a really stupid idea, though it might idea, even even though it might not be. It might not be. But what we keep back to the it might not be. But what we keep thing back to the it might not be. But what we keep thing or back to the it might not be. But what we keep thing or the back to the it might not be. But what we keep thing or the same|ck to the same thing or the same realisation ones realisation is no ones got a plan, thats whats plan, no, thats whats happening. And the same plan, no, thats whats happ both. And the same plan, no, thats whats happ both parties. The same plan, no, thats whats happ both parties. The can|e plan, no, thats whats hap somethingies. The can|e plan, no, thats whats hap something up the can|e plan, no, thats whats hap something up say, an|e put something up and say, heres how were solve it. How were going to solve it. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Send them to australia. Send them to australia. Australia used australia would do. We used to didnt we . Yeah, to do that, didnt we . Yeah, exactly. It with the exactly. We did it with the prisoners. Space. Prisoners. Theres still space. Yeah, space australia. Space. Them in lots of space. Put them in the okay. Thats front okay. So thats the front pages covered. Coming up, pages are covered. Coming up, some unwelcome support at a protest, report. And protest, at a secret report. And a safe place to report secrets listening to gb news radio. Listening to gb news radio. Welcome back to headliners , welcome back to headliners, your first look at mondays newspapers. Im still here with josh howie and kerry marks. And lets continue with these stories. So were going begin stories. So were going to begin this section with express this section with the express and not all pro palestine support is welcome. Josh . Yeah, so this is the last story about israel or jews, i promise. Israel orjews, i promise. Okay. Wherever we get to the today. Today, today. Incredible today. Today, today. Incredible moment. Maybe people want more. Moment. Maybe people want more. Maybe. But incredible moment. Fight breaks out over pride flag at the pro Palestine Protesters is what we were talking about. The event yesterday where part of it people were shouting jihad and whatnot. Some incredibly anti semitic going and anti semitic signs going on and whatnot. Nothing whatnot. Police doing nothing but clip that went but but theres a clip that went viral today of someone put up a lgbt q viral today of someone put up a lgbt 0 plus flag and then guess what . Some islamic fundamentalists, we dont know if they im assuming they were we pulled it down and ripped it off and ran off with it and they werent a moderate ones. Yeah, they werent. Yeah exactly. Well, who were the moderate ones. Where have ones. But this is where you have here is not a new here and this is not a new phenomenon im identifying phenomenon that im identifying by been by any means. Its been identified by any means. Its been iderfar ed and you by any means. Its been iderfared and you have the far left and you have islamic fundamentalists. They have with their have come together with their mutual hatred and israel mutual hatred of jews and israel. And youve got this sort of ridiculous situation where you have people who are like, right on social justice warriors marching side by side with misogynist , homophobic. Misogynist, homophobic. Youve seen the viral image of those campaigners with a big sign saying queers for palestine. Yes, yes. And you do think, well, go to palestine then, and see how that plays out. See how that plays out. Palestine and you you go to palestine and you know, if youre in gaza, then youre be thrown off youre going to be thrown off a building or dragged on a motorbike. You get motorbike. And the best you get is pnson motorbike. And the best you get is prison sentence. So i is a life prison sentence. So i think been to think its been reduced to ten years. Think its been reduced to ten yaneah. Thing is, there yeah. And the thing is, there are, gay people in are, of course, gay people in palestine deserve palestine who do deserve protection. Et cetera. But theyre not going get it from theyre not going to get it from theyre not going to get it from the there. Thats just not the state there. Thats just not going to happen for them. Know, you to israel you know, you go to israel for protection israel, for protection because israel, again, in again, is the only country in the that has total the middle east that has total freedom. To freedom. 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And how did they not realise . I theres further i mean, theres a further problem, back problem, you know, when back when that when Trevor Phillips did that very extensive of very extensive study of attitudes muslim attitudes among the Muslim Community these community in the uk to these various issues, this was for channel believe, and channel 4, i believe, and a slight majority. Its Something Like 52 of muslims felt like 52 of british muslims felt that homosexuality ought to be against for now. Thats against the law for now. Thats against the law for now. Thats a mainstream view. Therefore within that community, which is particularly damaging for gay muslims, . So the idea that muslims, right . So the idea that the people flying that flag, i dont think theyre even aware that a problem. I dont know. I dont they are. And know. I the t they are. And know. I the t thethey are. And know. I the t the last are. And with the last the last government in israel was probably like left wing wet probably like a left wing wet dream, was just every dream, really. It was just every kind diversity going and the kind of diversity going and the arab coalition, one of the first things wanted to change things they wanted was to change the on on gay rights. The laws on on gay rights. Something right. So its something that needs a needs to be addressed in a serious adult way. Know, not serious adult way. You know, not pretending that its not a problem there because it clearly is. You know, but the other is. But, you know, but the other thing is, i mean, of the thing is, i mean, some of the flags mentioned, there were flags you mentioned, there were there were some anti semitic. I even with even saw a sticker with appraising. Yeah, appraising hamas. Yeah, right. So what i dont so theres that. What i dont understand because i think understand is because i think a lot the people who are lot of the people who are protesting there would absolutely but why absolutely detest hamas. But why arent they saying . Well, i think there are. I think there are lot maybe but are a lot maybe some, but i dont. Why arent they dont. But why arent they saying those put that dont. But why arent they sayir down . |ose put that dont. But why arent they sayirdown . You put that dont. But why arent they sayirdown . You know, put that dont. But why arent they sayirdown . You know, ifput that dont. But why arent they sayirdown . You know, if |jt that dont. But why arent they sayirdown . You know, if i was at sign down . You know, if i was at a gay rights march and there was someone there with a really bigoted , horrible i dont bigoted, horrible sign, i dont think last five minutes. Think theyd last five minutes. I would get it i think people would say get it down, yeah, yeah, down, get out. Yeah, yeah, thats why i disagree with you, because think, frankly, lot thats why i disagree with you, bethese think, frankly, lot thats why i disagree with you, bethe peopleik, frankly, lot thats why i disagree with you, bethe people there 1kly, lot thats why i disagree with you, bethe people there who lot thats why i disagree with you, bethe people there who might of the people there who might seem their their in seem like their their hearts in the right place, dont know the right place, they dont know what theyre talking about. Even they wouldnt what theyre talking about. Know even they wouldnt what theyre talking about. Know whaten they wouldnt what theyre talking about. Know what hamas wouldnt even know what hamas is necessarily. They know necessarily. All they know is israel , bad palestinians israel, all bad palestinians good. There must be a of good. But there must be a lot of people there are a bit more people there who are a bit more nuanced people there who are a bit more nuethere be people there there must be people there who who dont support what hamas was cant say was doing. So why cant they say it . They say this is it . Why cant they say this is because, dont know. I agree i think i agree with you. 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Events doesnt why at these events doesnt someone why at these events doesnt someonfbecause why at these events doesnt someon because they are clearly hamas . Because they are clearly the possible to the worst possible thing to happen the worst possible thing to ha| who knows would happen who knows what would happen to them . Mean, didnt see to them . I mean, you didnt see anybody like, was anybody there saying like, was there free there one sign saying free, free there one sign saying free, free the hostages . Right. The free the hostages . Right. Not saying make peace not one sign saying make peace or whatever, two state solution. Two state nothing like two state solution. Nothing like that. Its fundamentally they that. No its fundamentally they want the destruction of israel. Thats comes to. Down thats what it comes to. Down i believe anti semitism. Believe its anti semitism. I believe its anti semitism. I believe who believe that anybody who was there a wrongun. Believe that anybody who was the okay. Wrongun. Believe that anybody who was the okay. Wrongvery strident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, wrongvery strident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, lets very strident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, lets move rident believe that anybody who was the ojosh, lets move on ent believe that anybody who was the ojosh, lets move on to. From josh, lets move on to mondays express. Carrie, whats mondays express. Carrie, whats this one about . This is the jcb, the ka tory donors and these two brothers who now they could face £500 million bill to settle their tax inquiry. Were told this is all about the jcb empire, which when i first read that, it was kind of frightening. I thought maybe jcbs over europe , jcbs are taking over europe, you its not. So these you know, but its not. So these guys need to dig deep into their pockets with their jcbs because theyve been avoiding tax. Its like saying love saying like saying jcb. I love saying jcb. Theres some it. Jcb. Theres some ring to it. You know , investigation going you know, investigation going on for three years and its understood to be it says here, its understood to be serious, which i wouldnt understand why it would be going for three it would be going on for three years it was a bit of a joke. Years if it was a bit of a joke. Right. Exactly. And stating the yeah. The obvious. Rather yeah, yeah. Kind hmrc the obvious. Rather yeah, yeah. Kin grounds hmrc the obvious. Rather yeah, yeah. Kin grounds to hmrc the obvious. Rather yeah, yeah. Kin grounds to suspect hmrc has grounds to suspect a significant loss of tax, which makes you wonder they significant loss of tax, which make launch onder they significant loss of tax, which make launch anier they significant loss of tax, which make launch an investigationley dont launch an investigation when its like an extra cup of coffee or the odd meal here and there. Yes, but yes, were talking about large amounts of money and we talk about money that due that went into tax due on shares, shares are one of shares, which shares are one of those odd words that out those odd words that turns out to be more selfish than it sounds. And offshore sounds. And they had offshore accounts in bermuda and family trusts , which, of course, money trusts, which, of course, money vanishes in bermuda, doesnt it . Of course. Well, yes, it does. Josh, i think the guardian very about this because very happy about this because jcb is a massive tory donor. I didnt know that. Yeah, no, i didnt know that either. Lead either. But they didnt lead with some interesting information, only information, which is not only is Anthony Bamford a big tory donon is Anthony Bamford a big tory donor, but also hes the one who sort of out thats where sort of turns out thats where bofis sort of turns out thats where Boris Johnson got married. And Boris Johnson got married. And that he paid for the marquee and so the connections there particularly. And whats the other thing that they sort of reveal halfway through the article is that they of go article is that they sort of go he revealed any of this he hasnt revealed any of this because you youve got because when you when youve got these kind of legal issues. Yeah. To certainly these kind of legal issues. Yeah peer, to certainly these kind of legal issues. Yeah peer, youre to certainly these kind of legal issues. Yeah peer, youre meantertainly these kind of legal issues. Yeah peer, youre meant toxinly as a peer, youre meant to reveal. But im thinking reveal that. But im thinking if you its like you owe 500 million, its like youre not that bothered about what issues. What other issues. Theyre hedging their theyre also hedging their bets arent they, bets at the moment, arent they, because theyre theyre trying to party as well. To woo the labour party as well. Oh probably and oh probably donations. And i like the fact that hmrc like the fact that the hmrc spokesman said neither spokesman said we neither confirm deny investigations , confirm nor deny investigations, which i always is a lovely which i always think is a lovely phrase. A great phrase that phrase. Its a great phrase that means know, theyre means that, you know, theyre happening. Thats confirming, isnt not. Isnt it . Well, no, its not. I have to say, i have to be clear about that. Its not. Well, it is. I to well, it is. If i said to you, seeking my wife . Well, it is. If i said to you, you seeking my wife . Well, it is. If i said to you, you say, seeking my wife . Well, it is. If i said to you, you say, izeking my wife . Well, it is. If i said to you, you say, i neitherny wife . Well, it is. If i said to you, you say, i neither deny re . Well, it is. If i said to you, you say, i neither deny or and you say, i neither deny or confirm its like you are. Confirm it, its like you are. Well, you would say, well, othennise you would say, no, okay, no one has okay, well, no one has a problem something that problem denying something that isnt problem denying something that isnare you sleeping my wife . Im sorry you found out like this. Okay, were going to move on now. To mondays now. Very quickly to mondays independent. Covered a lot independent. Weve covered a lot about slavery on this show, but rarely modern slavery. Indeed. Which is we always talk about slavery in the past. Back in the day. But it goes on. Theres a secret report on uk modern slavery. The home office didnt you to see. So didnt want you to see. So vaguely tangental to brexit. But we now need a lot of people to work in the fruit picking industry and whatnot. And so theyve theyve got all these visas and it turns out the way that some of the people whove been treated on these farms and the office went in and the home office went in and did a study, out a report and study, it turns out theres not cool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this not cool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemicnt cool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or� ool stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or isl stuff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or is this ff, but a report and study, it turns out th this endemic or is this just. It is this endemic or is this just. Well, we dont know. But the fact kept it back. Fact that they kept it back. Yes. We cant get in yes. Means that we cant get in there and actually expose this stuff properly is thats stuff properly, which is thats thats but some of thats the issue. But some of the stuff is terrible where you read about someone who was they had covid and they left had covid and they were left starving medical starving without any medical assistance or food. But then theres another one where this person , they had to pull out person, they had to pull out their own tooth because they didnt a dentist. Didnt have access to a dentist. But thats thats the but for me, thats thats the rest the country. Surely but for me, thats thats the rest note country. Surely but for me, thats thats the rest not thats ry. Surely but for me, thats thats the rest not thats notsurely but for me, thats thats the rest not thats not specific thats not thats not specific to doesnt that. To thats it doesnt say that. Says didnt have it says they didnt have Access Medical so it access to medical care. So it might be something else. It might be something else. It might operation. Might be something else. It migihe operation. Might be something else. It migihe gets operation. Might be something else. It migihe gets so operation. Might be something else. It migihe gets so angry operation. And he gets so angry about things, tooth out. Things, he pulls a tooth out. Say . But its always who can say . But its always been that, you know, been the case that, you know, immigrant workers are often exploited by unscrupulous. Well, this theyre brought over here. Theyre over here to theyre brought over here to bazball, because if they wanted to and no , to treat people well and no, its not. No, youre right. Its not. Its no, youre right. Its not its okay. But its not its not okay. But theyre bored over and theyre paid less money whatever paid less money and whatever because to pay because they dont want to pay british citizens more money. Treat because we want treat them well because we want to get our fruit for cheap. Thats capitalism. Thats its called. Thats what its called. Thats what its called. What called. Thats what its called. Thats what its called. A good look, okay. Its not a good look, though, it, really . Okay. Its not a good look, though, it it, really . Okay. Its not a good look, though, it certainly . Okay. Its not a good look, though, it certainly is not. Okay no, it certainly is not. Okay were going on to were going to move on to mondays whats mondays times now. And whats this carrie, this nhs safe spaces. Carrie, whats this . Thought id read yes. And i thought id read safe space and instantly start frowning like, oh, no, but its a different kind of safe space. Yeah. You think its going to be one of those articles . This one of those articles . So this is to protect is safe space unit to protect nhs medical nhs staff reporting medical errors. Follows from errors. And this follows on from the lucy letby case. Yeah and the lucy letby case. Yeah and the odd thing was there were doctors who warned about lucy letby and the officials at the hospital just kind of ignored it or or embarrassed them into not talking about it any further. They kind of wanted to let be, huh . They threaten them. They threaten them. They threaten them. They basically threaten them. Yeah. So the idea is this yeah. Yeah so the idea is this is to is so the doctors will have a space in order to report something suspicious thats going on. So why is that . Why does that happen, that people dont, you know, dont take it seriously. You know, it are they just you know, is it are they just protecting their own . I mean, its that thought its no way that anyone thought its no way that anyone thought it thing that these it was a good thing that these poor sounds poor children it sounds like the management totally of management were totally out of it. They they thought that they just they thought that she bullied. They she was being bullied. They decided arbitrary decided to make an arbitrary decision, the decision, not look at the evidence. And then they then, as we were talking about, they basically were saying, look, you better shut up about this stuff. Better shut up about this stuff. Those doctors who kept on saying, minute, theres saying, wait a minute, theres something fundamentally and of course, this sort of stuff doesnt happen often. Doesnt happen very often. So but when it does, its so serious that there to be serious that there needs to be some of some like Harold Shipman kind of you to be some you know, there needs to be some mechanism for people raise mechanism for people to raise concerns very least, concerns is at the very least, i thought it would be enough just to fire people didnt do to fire the people who didnt do anything to fire the people who didnt do anyhing to fire the people who didnt do anyi mean, would enough i mean, that would be enough to go around and say you should listen to someone saying that someone be. But there someone could be. But there are people harboured her. Was her. M crazy her. Was crazy thing. That was the crazy thing. They worked they were protected. She worked here. Really what here. But that isnt really what this story is about because people coming people are afraid of coming fonnard people are afraid of coming forbeing blamed. So the idea of being blamed. So the idea about space about this is, is its a space where come fonnard and where you can come fonnard and reveal and its reveal this stuff. And its actually a appropriate actually not about a appropriate blame. Fixing the blame. Its about fixing the issue. And theyre trying to thats thats what theyre trying what they trying thats what they mean by safe spaces. Identify what the problem fonnard from problem is and go fonnard from there. Okay. Going move on to so were going to move on to mondays guardian now , carrie, mondays guardian now, carrie, this a horrible no , josh, is this is a horrible no, josh, is this is a horrible no, josh, is this sorry, this can do it. This is iranian teenager. Is the iranian teenager. Horrible story. Yeah, iranian teenager brain dead after alleged metro encounter with the police. This is amita garavan. Shes 16 years old and last month, she fell into a coma after an incident concerning the Morality Police and the hijab law. And who deny it . They deny it, of course they deny it. And. And now , yeah, deny it. And. And now, yeah, shes. Shes been revealed to be brain dead. And of course this is this does have reminiscent of the does have is reminiscent of the mahsa case. The girl who mahsa amini case. The girl who was not led to riots near was beaten not led to riots near revolution. You know, i mean, revolution. You know, i mean, the thing about this is that the Morality Police in iran and its very interesting this that very interesting that this that that particular incident stirred this mass outpouring not just from women , but from men as from women, but from men as well. And across country. Well. And across the country. And its just so and it just its just so abysmal. The idea that there are these people who are willing to commit violence on women just for choosing wear whatever for choosing to wear whatever they want. Is is of the this is this is tip of the iceberg stuff. No idea, iceberg stuff. We have no idea, of many cases are of course, how many cases are actually are going and actually are going on. And with the amini case, two of the the mahsa amini case, two of the reporters who talked about it were sentenced to 13 and 12 years. And they were sentenced for collaboration with the Us Government and acting against national security, which just shows what the problem is. Theres no free press. We dont know what the truth is of how many cases there are. Many cases there are. So do you think the more of this kind happens, the this kind of thing happens, the more it for there to more likely it is for there to be actual revolution iran . Be an actual revolution in iran . Because, of course, a lot of its memory of a its within living memory of a time women could wear what time when women could wear what they do what they want. They want and do what they want. Within you know, well, within iran. You know, well, its demographics. Very young youve got a very young population and you have very population and you have a very brave population. And what brave young population. And what they doing and the they are doing and what the women doing and the men who women are doing and the men who are them, its are supporting them, its unbeliev. All the bravery is incredible. Different incredible. Its on a different scale to that you have the scale to know that you have the entire apparatus entire the state apparatus against you and theyre still going still going out. Theyre still fighting their and fighting for their rights and their fighting for their rights and thei to iranian i spoke to an iranian reporter was reporter about this, and she was saying exactly you saying exactly that, that, you know, west , you often saying exactly that, that, you know articles west , you often saying exactly that, that, you know articles about you often saying exactly that, that, you know articles about how often have articles about how the huab have articles about how the hijab liberating. Isnt hijab is liberating. And isnt it wonderful symbol of female it a wonderful symbol of female empowerment . Well , empowerment . Its like, well, thats the case when you are thats not the case when you are forced to wear youll be forced to wear it or youll be beaten for not doing yeah, beaten for not doing so. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely its exactly. Its absolutely its not where the shah was not a case where the shah was changing things massively and women of rights and women had loads of rights and freedoms, the ayatollah freedoms, but then the ayatollah at the was saying at the time was saying progressive things sounded progressive things that sounded really course, and of course, when completely the other way. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, well, thats it for part but coming itv part two. But coming up has itv gone far . Calls for strategy gone too far . Calls for strategy on social prescribing and arsenal break silence over its all white team photo . Do not go anywhere radio. Welcome back to headliners. Welcome back to headliners. Your first look at mondays newspapers. Were going to start newspapers. Were going to start this section with the guardian , this section with the guardian, itv staff. Its getting all very strict over there. Kerry yeah , i strict over there. Kerry yeah, i think this is another one of those overconfidence when something then we go. So far the other way to go that embarrasses it never that embarrasses see, it never happens again. So is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv again. So is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules|. So is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules , so is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules , which is the that embarrasses see, it never hapfitv rules , which requires new itv rules, which requires staff to declare relations with with colleagues. This is after the Phillip Schofield scandal. Yes so this follows on from the Phillip Schofield. They dont Phillip Schofield. They dont want public, another want another public, another scandal like that to happen again. Im amazed that celebrities can really keep their secret anyway. Their affairs secret now anyway. I pretty impressive i think thats pretty impressive in day age. So but its in this day and age. So but its under a personal relationship with work policy, so its distributed to all the staff. Youve got to declare relationships colleagues relationships with colleagues and partners and include a person living in the same household. This is going way, household. This is going way, way over the top. And anyone involved in a sexual, romantic or close relationship or friendship with shorter long friendship with a shorter long term, where does it stop . If you have stand with have a one night stand with someone, to you have someone, do you have to you have to sign a book . If its a few days or or maybe youre having a gay relationship. Dont gay relationship. You dont want everyone to know. Do you have to tell your tell everyone . What were your secret ah, well, secret goings on . Ah, well, surely it should. Only you be dating only you might be dating a teenager many years earlier. Exactly. Exactly. Look, this goes even but this look, this goes even further declaring further than that. Declaring friendship. That friendship. Shapps. Well, that could problems could cause a lot of problems because, might because, you know, i might declare at work. Declare my friendships at work. Other people why didnt you declare my friendships at work. Other me ple why didnt you declare my friendships at work. Other me pl a why didnt you declare my friendships at work. Other me pl a friend . didnt you declare my friendships at work. Otherme pl a friend . Maybe you class me as a friend . Maybe i dont friend. You dont consider them friend. You know, awkward. Know, its going to be awkward. This i mean, this i mean, this doesnt affect me. Ive doesnt really affect me. Ive got friends, its totally doesnt really affect me. Ive got im iends, its totally doesnt really affect me. Ive got im your, its totally doesnt really affect me. Ive got im your friend,i totally doesnt really affect me. Ive got im your friend, josh, ly fine. Im your friend, josh, what you saying . Fine. Im your friend, josh, what not u saying . Fine. Im your friend, josh, what not yourying . Fine. Im your friend, josh, what not your friend. Im not your friend. Im not your friend. Oh, see, this is the kind of problem im talking about. Okay oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m talking about. Okay oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i ing about. Okay oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i wish bout. Okay oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i wish but okay oh, see, this is the kind of problwnow,m ta|i wish i hadntay well, now, now i wish i hadnt ficked id but. Okay, so tell me this. I think firstly , with the phillip think firstly, with the Phillip Schofield thing, you know, it was legal relationship, was it was a legal relationship, right . Always taken right . So its ive always taken the that he was very the view that he was very careful about legal. Careful about being legal. People if no, but look, if people if apparently if consenting adults are in sexual relationships and its legal and its got nothing to do with me, ive always taken that to do with me, ive always taken tha now, when it to i dont now, when it comes to i dont see why this reaction should take if it was if there take place. If it was if there was would was criminal activity, i would get happened. Get it. Its not what happened. With you. If he no, i agree with you. If he didnt didnt didnt break the law, he didnt break the law. Its none of our business. Yeah no, i want to know. Well you know, sheer prurience, suppose. Something if have something saying if youre doing anything awful, please youre doing anything awful, pleyeah youre doing anything awful, ple yeah , but heres the yeah, but heres the other problem this. Yeah, but heres the other pro you] this. Yeah, but heres the other pro you know, this. Yeah, but heres the other pro you know, tt read a statistic you know, i read a statistic in one that said 22 of in one paper that said 22 of people who end up married met at work over 50 of people at work right over 50 of people at work right over 50 of people at work have had some kind of sexual contact with a with a colleague, consensual at a party or. Right. Or whatever. Right. Work in a strip bar i used to work in a strip bar that exactly. I remember. Well, exactly. I remember. You good at it. Good you were very good at it. Good on the pole, if i remember rightly. You. The rightly. Thank you. But the thing right thing about fiction, right now were world. Its were in fiction world. Its difficult sometimes. Im difficult to tell sometimes. Im sure with josh, no, neither am i. Thing you know , i. But the thing is, you know, often time at work often we spend more time at work than else. Its quite than anywhere else. Its quite natural people meet natural for people to meet partners and boyfriends and girlfriends and et, etcetera. So all of these strict regulations, it me as overkill all of these strict regulations, it a me as overkill all of these strict regulations, it a degree. As overkill all of these strict regulations, it a degree. Anderkill all of these strict regulations, it a degree. And actually to a huge degree. And actually invasive of peoples privacy. Invasive of peoples privacy. Absolutely. Thats why absolutely. And thats why everyone should come and everyone at itv should come and work here. Go. Thats the moral there we go. Thats the moral of thats where of this story. Thats where i was the times was hoping wed get to the times next. And the daily wire are doing their best to reinvent childrens tv. Yeah, well, heres another overcorrection. Arguably, fur flies with the anti Disney Channel showing cartoons that feminism forgot. Cartoons that feminism forgot. So theres this new tv show called chinchilla. Its written called chinchilla. Its written partly i think the guys from the babylon bee. Babylon is very funny. It is very funny when people say right wing humour, isnt it just is funny. Its very funny. Its much better than things like the onion and stuff which have totally gone off anyway. Is off the rails anyway. It is a reaction to disney where they basically disney has sort basically been disney has sort of been not even hiding it really. Theyre saying that theyve been, but they havent. Theyve had a very much had this agenda sort of push this theyve had a very much had this agen throught of push this theyve had a very much had this agen through all push this theyve had a very much had this agen through all osth this theyve had a very much had this agen through all of theirlis theyve had a very much had this agen through all of their tv stuff through all of their tv shows yeah. The biggest shows. Yeah. And the biggest crime of all is that theyre just terrible tv shows. Bad because theyre really bad because once artistic once anything, any artistic enterprise, once it becomes ideological, once it becomes preachy , its bad, its preachy, its always bad, its always boring and uninteresting. Question does that the question is, is does that mean is also mean that this stuff is also going be boring . I going to be boring . Well, i should clarify. This is bent, which is the so this is bent, which is the daily which daily wires app, which presents, you know, they said, well, this well, were getting all this indoctrination from disney and other but other other not just disney, but other channels. Were just going to channels. So were just going to make own childrens tv. Now, make our own childrens tv. Now, thats is thats the problem, isnt it . Is if it then becomes indoctrination different indoctrination of a different kind, problem. But if kind, thats a problem. But if they could make just tv that isnt doing all this kind of woke ideological id woke ideological nonsense, id before that you know why would that be a and are we that be a problem and are we going start seeing a sort going to now start seeing a sort of left right indoctrination race can indoctrinate the race of who can indoctrinate the kids direction as much kids in their direction as much as possible . Kids in their direction as much as possinot kids in their direction as much as possi not necessarily. Well, yes, not necessarily. Well, i think parents want their think most parents want is their children entertained for a little while whilst they get on with they do. Of course, they do. Of course, they do. And but also, or whatever. And but also, these these are these are all these are chinchillas tell children these are all these are chinntollas tell children these are all these are chinnto think. Tell children these are all these are chinnto think. And ll children these are all these are chinnto think. And so hildren these are all these are chinnto think. And so on. Iren these are all these are chinnto think. And so on. That how to think. And so on. That sounds good. Well fun. But sounds quite good. Well fun. But i think any child 20 years i dont think any child 20 years later is going to know the reason. I want to be a stay at reason. I want to be a stay at home is because mama home wife is because mama chinchilla when was. Chinchilla did it when i was. Yeah. Know, or whatever. Yeah. But you know, or whatever. Sick of wasnt you get sick of it wasnt there recently there that story recently about there that story recently about the transformers as the cartoon of transformers as one of the robots was announcing its pronouns. Doesnt. Its its pronouns. It doesnt. Its a robot. It should thats it. No, it should be binary. No, it should be binary. Its very good. Josh, you should be a comedian. Thats should be a comedian. Thats fantastic. Right on to mondays times now. And josh, it really wouldnt headliners without wouldnt be a headliners without a trans story. Yeah, lets do mother yeah, lets do it. Mother wins landmark ruling wins Landmark Court ruling to stop child having private trans treatment. So this is stop child having private trans treatment. So this is kind of a first. She wants her daughter , first. She wants her daughter, her son to basically pause everything. And the dad wants to pushit everything. And the dad wants to push it through and take take the child to private health care where this stuff would be pushed through quicker. And through a lot quicker. Yeah. And potentially , you know, surgery, potentially, you know, surgery, but certainly drugs , hormones but certainly drugs, hormones and whatnot, which have been proven to have a detrimental proven now to have a detrimental impact. More impact. I mean, the more evidence about evidence that comes out about puberty blockers and their detrimental its detrimental effects, its becoming really that becoming really clear that these are good news. So. So the are not good news. So. So the mum has been representing herself till but now herself up till now, but now its gone the up the its gone to the next up to the high yeah. Shes high court. Yeah. Now shes basically money. Basically seeking money. And actually is actually whats interesting is this all this normally this stuff is all held behind closed doors, but because she needs to get the information out there to raise money, its like grand. Money, its like 20 grand. Theyve allowed her to actually state her case. I mean, it must be i dont have any be you know, i dont have any children i know of. Children that i know of. And it must terrifying, and it must be terrifying, the a child, know, the idea of a child, you know, your through your child going through this stuff youre getting stuff and then youre getting drugs and just drugs involved. And i just think it scary. You know, actually. Drugs involved. And i just think it yeah,r. You know, actually. Drugs involved. And i just think it yeah, its u know, actually. Drugs involved. And i just think it yeah, its interestingtually. Drugs involved. And i just think it yeah, its interesting thatr. Yeah, its interesting that now that shes she wants the nhs to be dealing with it because the nhs are more cautious the nhs are far more cautious than well they are than private. Well they are since report. Since the last report. Well yeah, exactly. Well yeah, exactly. Is an interesting i mean this is an interesting change happened. Yes. But change thats happened. Yes. But but also theres a bit of divorce thing going on here, isnt there . Theres a couple whove divorced and theres a bit of a tug of war over what should be happening with the child think i think child and so on. I think i think with transition, were with the whole transition, were going to see more and more of this of one parent who wants a son wants a daughter. Son and one wants a daughter. Only that, are and not only that, we are going think people, going to see, i think people, young later life young people in later life saying that a mistake, you saying that was a mistake, you should me, should have supported me, etcetera. Thats going to happen. Puberty happen. I mean, puberty blockers, is blockers, what we do know is that who do feel that 90 of kids who do feel feelings of gender dysphoria, they of it through they grow out of it through puberty. The cure. Puberty. Puberty is the cure. Yeah youre introducing yeah so if youre introducing drugs prevent the cure, drugs that prevent the cure, its very situation its a very, very odd situation to be in. Yeah, it is. So , i mean, yeah, it is. And so, i mean, its sad that it has to be taken to court. Its sad that it has to be taken to court. Yeah. But we always say, you know, this is children arent old enough to make these decisions. But when you have parents who are disagreeing with it, well, it hasnt got to canada yet. But there was that guy who was criminalised for calling but there was that guy who waschildinalised for calling but there was that guy who waschild bylised for calling but there was that guy who waschild by thei for calling but there was that guy who waschild by the pronouns alling his child by the pronouns they wanted. Yeah. So i mean that, wanted. Yeah. So i mean that, you but were quite you know, but were not quite at that stage yet. That authoritarian stage yet. Maybe under labour. Well wait maybe under labour. Well wait and see. You got it in there. You got it in there. Well, its possible. Its possible. Were to possible. Okay. Were going to move now the daily mail. Move on now to the daily mail. A new goal for arsenal carry. Yes, arsenal. Arsenal. They break silence. Apparently over all white squad team photo. And this is a race team photo. And this is a race where weve seen a few of these type of roles come up. But what was it . It was a photo of the team and they were all white. Yes. So there, white. There, all white. And this is the womens team or mens team is the womens or the mens team is the womens team. team. Womens team. Womens team. Doesnt feature a single it doesnt feature a Single Player of colour claiming the that addressing addressing that addressing the addressing the lack of diversity. So arsenal said addressing the lack of diversity is a priority which you would have thought you really would have thought addressing football skills well youre talking about thats the priority meritocracy there. I dont think that works in sports , is it not . No, i think sports, is it not . No, i think its outdated , really. I think its outdated, really. I think they need some more time. Large, they need some more time. Large, larger people, people. There larger people, fat people. There are people on the team. Are no fat people on the team. Exactly. You have one whos a lesbian . A bi one . W m one whos a bi one . Who is trans one tall, one whos trans one whos tall, one whos short needles . Need trans one whos tall, one whos sione. Needles . Need a one. We need one legged person. We need a one legged person. We need a one legged person. Course. I left. We need a one legged person. Course. I left. Im so oh, of course. I left. Im so sorry. Mention the one sorry. I didnt mention the one legged really legged person. Im really embarrassed about. In there. I need a man in there. I need a man in there. Was, would say, how i need a man in there. They was, would say, how i need a man in there. They not would say, how i need a man in there. They not know ld say, how i need a man in there. They not know thisay, how i need a man in there. They not know thisay, h going did they not know this was going to happen in this day and age, though . But it shouldnt though . No, but it shouldnt have. Yes. Have. Should have had it. Yes. But know, you but even then, you know, if you put picture and theyre put up the picture and theyre all these days, you need all white these days, you need something already a prepared statement, how statement, because you know how theyre should statement, because you know how theyiput should statement, because you know how theyiput few should statement, because you know how theyiput few them should statement, because you know how theyiput few them siiled have put a few of them in if they stood that should have put a few of them in if they putd that should have put a few of them in if they putd few that should have put a few of them in if they putd few inthat should have put a few of them in if they putd few in blackhould have put a few of them in if they putd few in black face. Have put a few in black face. Wasnt saying oh, no, i wasnt saying that. Oh, thats sounds like to me. Thats what it sounded like to me, too. Wasnt me doing to me, too. It wasnt me doing the overcompensation. To me, too. It wasnt me doing the thats mpensation. To me, too. It wasnt me doing the thats mpenyou n. To me, too. It wasnt me doing the thats mpenyou said. To me, too. It wasnt me doing thewhat; mpenyou said. To me, too. It wasnt me doing thewhat imwenyou said. To me, too. It wasnt me doing thewhat im saying said. To me, too. It wasnt me doing thewhat im saying saithey what im saying is they should should should know. People should recognise these scandals. They didnt recognise these scandals. They didnito it straight away. Recognise these scandals. They did but it straight away. Recognise these scandals. They did but whataight away. Recognise these scandals. They did but what else. Away. Recognise these scandals. They did but what else could done . I done . I mean, stood their ground. They could have said yes, we know. Fm know. Mean, this is yeah. But i mean, this is what i find so infuriating about this, that in order this, is that in order to satisfy mean, are satisfy that, i mean, these are probably people that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere people that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere available. ple that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere available. 05 that satisfy that, i mean, these are probethere available. So t01at were there available. So to satisfy would to satisfy this, they would have to ditch for a less ditch a player for a less talented seems. Look ditch a player for a less ta itnted seems. Look ditch a player for a less ta it was seems. Look ditch a player for a less ta it was the seems. Look ditch a player for a less ta it was the case seems. Look ditch a player for a less ta it was the case thatms. Look ditch a player for a less ta it was the case that thereiok if it was the case that there was racist its was there were racist its running who were saying running arsenal who were saying were players, were only having white players, then down we then god, we shut it down and we do it. Thats do something about it. Thats clearly its clearly not the case. No its not the case. There are questions as to why its representative. Its not representative. And is its not representative. And is it is it that theres it that or is it that theres not like for different not access like for different ethnicities to womens football . I dont know. I mean , i dont i dont know. I mean, i dont know about womens football because i dont care if its blocking people, thats a different thing. But thats different. If its worked fine. Worked out that way, fine. But its reaction people. Its the reaction of people. This is the tweets here. This is one of the tweets here. Someone wrote , we dont someone wrote, we dont have a single woman player. Single black woman player. Thats i cant thats frightening. I cant imagine being frightened by losing sleep over people hiding behind the couch. Yeah, i dont think so. Anyway, is the end of part anyway, that is the end of part three. But coming up in the final section, gen zs confidence crisis, Scottish Country dancing and is free will a myth. You wont want to miss that welcome back to headliners with me andrew doyle. Its your first look at mondays newspapers. Now would you like to choose to open this section with the times . Josh no. No. Well , i no. Well, i think youre going to have to explain this before the audience get nervous. No , this is a story about no, this is a story about free will. No, isnt. No absolutely not. No, this is free will is a myth, says scientists. So myth, says scientists. So pnsons myth, says scientists. So prisons need a rethink. Thats the thats thats where it takes a logical place to. So this this scientist California Stanford University and Professor Robert sapolsky, he contends that basically everything we do is determined by our genes , by our determined by our genes, by our hormone levels, what weve had for dinner environment concerns everything. So because of that, we then arent respond liable for anything that we do. Thats the through line bleak worldview. Absolutely. And weirdly, he was raised as an orthodox jew, andits was raised as an orthodox jew, and its actually the opposite of the ethos of judaism, which is all about free will. Like if youre i studied to be a rabbi and in the in the yeshiva it was all like free will, free will. Thats the whole point. Surely religion must surely every religion must believe othennise believe that because othennise whats the point in morality, guidance and the of guidance and the day of judgement . It would mean nothing. I mean, you up nothing. I mean, if you got up there and god just said, well, it fault, it was it wasnt your fault, it was mine, is likely this mine, which is likely this is what saying, everything what hes saying, everything is determinist btec from from the past anybody in past and which is why anybody in jail go. Jail should be let go. Their their its not their fault, their murderer or. Thing, well, heres the thing, right . The case that we right . If it is the case that we are merely almost automata, are just merely almost automata, that we controlled by that we are just controlled by our our our dna, our brains, our environment. Et cetera. We environment. Et cetera. And we are responsible for anything are not responsible for anything we do whatsoever. You cant really live like that on a practical think we have really live like that on a pr. Assume think we have really live like that on a pr. Assume that think we have really live like that on a pr. Assume that thats we have really live like that on a pr. Assume that thats not have to assume that thats not the case own right . Case for our own sanity, right . Oh, though, isnt it . Oh, its nice, though, isnt it . Nice to think i mean, its nice to think whatever whatever whatever you do wrong, whatever goes it. Goes wrong, i couldnt help it. Whatever get trouble for whatever you get in trouble for it, it it was meant to be. It, it was. It was meant to be. And. And means it would and. And he means it. It would have for this to true. Have to be for this to be true. It would be just like it would have to be just like every every every finger movement, every single every single thing is preordained. Little preordained. Its not a little bit. And i was reading it. Was bit. And i was reading it. I was going, okay, doesnt going, okay, but it doesnt allow any allow for therefore, for any chaos. Someone who chaos. You might be someone who goes with a particular a particular attracts you, particular look attracts you, but your work end but you dont in your work end up that up seeing someone with that particular you particular look. Not that you should go out with anyone in your workplace reporting should go out with anyone in ycfirst. Nrkplace reporting should go out with anyone in ycfirst. Nrkp course. Reporting should go out with anyone in ycfirst. Nrkp course. So porting it first. Of course. Yes. So that occurred to me first. And then looking the then im looking through the article and theres a neuroscientist at Dartmouth College hes called college who and hes called peter ulrich. Ulrich says peter ulrich. Ulrich says ulrich. Ulrich yeah. Okay. Are ulrich. Ulrich yeah. Okay. Are you sure . I think the audience are loving this about pronunciation , but i got one pronunciation, but i got one wrong. What has he said . What has he said . Wrong one wrong on the program. Now never no program. Now ill never say no risk. Risk. But he was saying risk. Risk. But he was saying that a range of bob, bob, that with a range of bob, bob, bob with the range of potential outcomes, choices surrounding, theres simply too much variability , which is what i variability, which is what i said on the before when i said on the page before when i read so there we go. As good said on the page before when i ree any so there we go. As good said on the page before when i ree any neuroscience go. As good as any neuroscience lists. Problem yeah, but gary, the problem is from this to say is hes leaping from this to say then drones on a lot. Then he drones on a lot. Well, about prisons. Yes. Well, hes basically saying that if we no saying that if we have no free will make none of our will and if we make none of our decisions own, will and if we make none of our deciswes own, will and if we make none of our deciswe should own, will and if we make none of our deciswe should let own, will and if we make none of our deciswe should let everyone , then we should let everyone out of because of prisons because its not their fault. I dont think hes oh, no, i dont think hes saying though. Think saying that, though. I think hes that we should have hes saying that we should have a towards a different attitude towards prisoners, saying no. Youre saying that . No. Youre saying that . No. It is saying you say that it is saying that talks about because that he talks about because hes going this for going on and on about this for ages keep dangerous people from damaging and straightfonnardly and non judgmental as keeping a car with faulty the road. With faulty brakes off the road. So saying shouldnt so hes saying it shouldnt be any emotional reaction to someone its someone who kills because its already sorry. Already in their. Im sorry. Its nonsense , but there is an its nonsense, but there is an element because element of truth to it because as damage as people with brain damage and with. Well, thats true. As people with brain damage and with so. Well, thats true. As people with brain damage and with so i. Well, thats true. As people with brain damage and with so i do well, thats true. As people with brain damage and with so i do think thats true. As people with brain damage and with so i do think there true. As people with brain damage and with so i do think there is ue. As people with brain damage and with so i do think there is an and so i do think there is an argument to say , you know, we argument to say, you know, we should have some. He does he does say nobody is going this. Yeah yeah. Going to buy this. Yeah yeah. No, itjust feels going to buy this. Yeah yeah. No, it just feels it feels a bit like the old calvinist idea of predestination all over again. You know, the elect and the. Im not getting on board. Ill take your word it. Ill take your word for it. Ill take your word for it. Okay. Ill take your word for it. Were to move on to the were going to move on to the telegraph, story telegraph, kerry, and a story about female about some of historys female rabble rousers. Rabble rousers. Telling this is theyre telling us this is Philippa Gregory. Britain was forged by revolting women and unattractive women. It doesnt mean that at all. No, no. Thats why i took it to be. Its the revolt. Did you not read anything . Just. No, i was like, oh, i dont want to read. Read about anything. To read about anything. To read about anything. I understand about women. Full really about full stop. And its really about how women have been making a nuisance themselves nuisance of themselves for a very time. And getting away very long time. And getting away with it. And this runs theres very long stories here about the peasants revolt and so on. But basically , we know this actually basically, we know this actually through through mediaeval times. Women practically controlled towns. It wasnt they were powerless. They had control over the police and they had control over public order and so on. And they were called town meetings and on. But this is about all and so on. But this is about all the women protested and the women whove protested and it back through several it goes back through several centuries. This is quite interesting that the county of suffolk alone charged 70 women in the criminal courts. Suffolk alone charged 70 women in the criminal courts. And in the criminal courts. And despite bearing down on the law of these rioters, the star chamber decided that if a woman offended , if ill read it here, offended, if ill read it here, if a woman offend in trespass riot or othennise, and an action is brought against her and her husband, the husband is answerable , notwithstanding the answerable, notwithstanding the action without his privity. Action was without his privity. So in other words, the husband was always responsible and the woman had this loophole where she get with and she could get away with it. And women very good at loopholes women are very good at loopholes like they like when you like when they like when you start a bar , like start a fight in a bar, like when and then man when a woman and then the man has step in sort it out. Has to step in and sort it out. Is that is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. Is itlat is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. Is it is . Is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. Is it is . I is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. Isit is . I think is, josh, has to step in and sort it out. Isit is . I think yourel, what it is . I think youre missing the feminist of missing the feminist quality of this mean, the this article. I mean, the thing about clearly about this is clearly and philippa of Philippa Gregory is right, of course lot women course there are a lot of women will have been written out of history, they were history, even if they were significant theyre women. Yes, and firm e yes, but and philippa is writing them right back in. Good for philippa. Lets move now for philippa. The lets move now for philippa. The daily lets move now for philippa. The daily mail� ts move now for philippa. The daily mail. S move now to the daily mail. Is this going to change the way you use the maypole . Well, josh , scottish is that do they josh, scottish is that do they have the maypole . I dont know. Scottish country dancing gets a very modern makeover as new etiquette guide tells dancers, no means no. And dont assume your partners gender. I dont even know what scottish dance i didnt they had scottish didnt know they had scottish dancing do. Dont know. Its with a what they call a its with a what they call a caber haggis haggis and a caber and some shortbread. Is that what it. Okay. I dont know. And then they batter it. Ive seen irish but it. Ive seen irish dancing, but i know that scottish i didnt know that scottish people thats people had dancing. Thats great. Great. Good for them. But theyre not going to assume of the partners. That story. So yes, that is the story. So theyve new sort of guide theyve got a new sort of guide out there. Called yes, out there. Its called yes, silly tsitsipas. Dont try silly tsitsipas. Dont even try scotland from scotland. Silly, silly dancing and yeah, you now you can dance on either side. Dont have to dance on the mans side or the womans side. Theres thing men and women. Yeah, but surely this is an old traditional form dance. Old traditional form of dance. And impose old traditional form of dance. And new impose old traditional form of dance. And new ideological impose old traditional form of dance. And new ideological ideas. E old traditional form of dance. And new ideological ideas. It these new ideological ideas. It doesnt. Kind incoherent i it sounds like a fun day out. Yeah, does, doesnt it sounds like a fun day out. Yea listen, es, doesnt it sounds like a fun day out. Yea listen, we doesnt it sounds like a fun day out. Yea listen, we dont t it sounds like a fun day out. Yea listen, we dont have much listen, we dont have much time, so i want to stay with the daily mail. Now, this about daily mail. Now, this is about young confidence young people with a confidence crisis. Scary. Do you know about this with confidence this gen 2 with the confidence crisis, a of 18 to 24 year crisis, a third of 18 to 24 year olds are scared to talk in pubuc olds are scared to talk in public and they think its or they believe that this is down to covid restrictions. And so theyve just been used to being at home basically. Yes. At home basically. Yes. And not mixing with others, but theyre actually talking about dont about public speaking. I dont remember public remember doing a lot of public speaking apart from speaking in school apart from occasionally get occasionally being forced to get up read poem or something. Up and read a poem or something. I i think kids always i really i think kids are always nervous of nervous about that kind of thing. I would have thought. Nervous so i want them to be nervous because them be because i dont want them to be able public speaking able to do public speaking because do this job because then we can do this job forever. Ones forever. Well, look, no ones going you. Going to replace you. Realise dont know realise they dont know anything should anything and they should be quiet. Youre quiet. But youre not. Youre worried about your kids becoming stand whatever. Worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. Whatever. Worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. And whatever. Worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. And coming whatever. Worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. And coming up. 1atever. Worried about your kids becoming sta|yeah. And coming up. Yeah,r. Yeah. And coming up. Yeah, absolutely. Taking theyre yeah. And coming up. Yeah, abs coming taking theyre yeah. And coming up. Yeah, abs coming oning theyre yeah. And coming up. Yeah, abs coming on this theyre yeah. And coming up. Yeah, abs coming on this show heyre just coming on this show like that going be that means theres going to be no us. Weve got that means theres going to be nnjob us. Weve got that means theres going to be nnjob for us. Weve got that means theres going to be nnjob for life. Us. Weve got that means theres going to be nnjob for life. I us. Weve got that means theres going to be nnjob for life. I think. Weve got that means theres going to be nnjob for life. I think your e got a job for life. I think your fear is very much well founded. Josh, careful. Be afraid. Josh, be careful. Be afraid. Okay lets come from my boss. Thats the end lets come from my boss. Ththe the end lets come from my boss. Ththe show. The end of the show. But before we go, lets have another look mondays another quick look at mondays front pages. Daily mail front pages. So the daily mail is leading with suella fury at met over jihad chants. Is leading with suella fury at met overjihad chants. The met over jihad chants. The guardian is running with a pressure intensifies on israel to negotiate release of gaza hostages. The times is running hostages. The times is running with braverman takes on met chief over jihad with braverman takes on met chief overjihad protest with braverman takes on met chief over jihad protest the same story graces the front of the express suella to quiz met chief on jihadi chants at rally the eye news is leading with home office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan and finally, the daily star has a story about hair loss. Apparently theres a cure or there might be very soon. Thats all weve got time for, im afraid. Thanks very much to guests, josh howie much to my guests, josh howie and kerry marx. Simon evans will be here tomorrow at 11 00 with nick dixon and steve n allen. Nick dixon and steve n allen. And if youre watching the show for the 5 am, repeat, please stay tuned now time stay tuned because now its time for on the palestinian enclave intensifies. There are warnings that arab countries in the middle east may retaliate. Middle east may retaliate. Good morning. Its 6 00 on monday, the 23rd of october. This is breakfast on gb news with Ellie Costello and pip tomson heres whats coming up in the show today. In the show today. Irans foreign minister has warned israel and the us that the middle east may spiral out of control if israel does not immediately stop its military action. Palestinians inside gaza brace themselves for major ground invasion, but aid is reaching those affected by israeli bombing and the blockade of gaza. Mark white will have of gaza. Mark white will have the latest from israel. Overnight. Israels Defence Force has struck. Iran backed hezbollah targets in southern lebanon as israels Prime Minister warned hezbollah that opening up another front in this war would be the biggest mistake of their lives. As the number of households placed in temporary