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Time in two weeks in london, thousands of people attended an israel solidarity rally in trafalgar square. The bring them home protest called for the release of all hostages being held by hamas. The Israel Defence forces now says there are 280 people being detained in gaza. Are 280 people being detained in gaza. Earlier, a man was gaza. Earlier, a man was arrested for allegedly shouting anti semitic abuse from a car driving past it. It comes after days of palestinian protests days of pro palestinian protests and claims some people have been inciting violence. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick says the accusations are being taken seriously. Seriously. Ive written to all chief chief constables across the country saying that they should refer individuals that come to their attention to the home office. There is a Legal Process to be followed , but as and when to be followed, but as and when we receive those , we will we receive those, we will consider them. And if they meet the legal bar, then we will absolutely revoke and expel them and the first case is already under consideration. Under consideration. In other news, the Environment Agency says 1250 properties have been flooded in the wake of storm babet. The agency is responding to severe flooding in derbyshire and nottinghamshire, where some rivers have reached record levels. Severe flood warnings have now been lifted on the river dennent and the river idle, but more flooding is possible for parts of england until wednesday due to further rain. Four people have died rain. Four people have died dunng rain. Four people have died during the storm. Manchester united has opened a book of condolence at old trafford following the death of sir Bobby Charlton. The legendary footballer was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966. Floral tributes and football shirts are being placed outside the Manchester United stadium with his former club, saying hell always be remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb news across remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb news across the game. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now its back to. Mark back to. Mark thank you, lisa. Well see you in an hours time. Welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight it in my big opinion, the biased bbc is supposed to be bringing us , but instead us together, but instead its leaving a nation divided in the big story following double by election this week by election defeat. This week and mammoth swing to labour. And a mammoth swing to labour. Is it time for the tories to throw in the towel and accept defeat . Does sunak have defeat . Or does rishi sunak have one last trick up his sleeve . Ill be asking rockstar politics professor Matthew Goodwin and tv entertainment legend and lifelong tory Christopher Biggins. My mark meets guest is biggins. My mark meets guest is one of the most respected and influential figures in british politics. The honourable ian paisley mp are there parallels between the troubles in Northern Ireland and whats happening in the middle east . It might take attend. The halo has slipped for saint David Beckham as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its time for goldenballs to spill the beans about his activities , both on and off the activities, both on and off the pitch. If the tories do collapse pitch. If the tories do collapse at the next election is nigel farage the man to lead them back to victory . Ill be asking politics legend Ann Widdecombe, who tonight joins us live in the studio. Weve got tomorrows studio. Weve got tomorrows front pages at 1030 sharp with three top pundits who havent been told what to say and who dont follow the script tonight, adrian hayes, Hilary Freeman and neil parish. Tonight, ill be neil parish. Tonight, ill be asking the pundits , should asking the pundits, should shoplifters be forced to wear a tag . Is shoplifters be forced to wear a tag . Is it time to skip sober october in order to help out your local boozer and what is the correct way to have beans on toast . The debate rages on. And let me tell you, we may have the definitive answer. Plus the most important part of the show, your emails, they come straight to my laptop mark at gbnews. Com. And this show has a strict golden rule. We dont do boring. Not on rule. We dont do boring. Not on my watch. I just wont have it. A big two hours to come, including a Ann Widdecombe live including a Ann Widdecombe live in the studio. But first my including a Ann Widdecombe live in the studio. But first my big opinion. The bbcs unfortunate opinion. The bbcs unfortunate habit of taking sides is coming home to roost. Its habit of taking sides is coming home to roost. Its becoming painfully apparent that the beeb has a problem with israel and therefore the regrettable conclusion could be that it has a problem with jews. Dont take my word for it, danny cohen, a wildly talented Television Executive who i briefly served under at channel 4, was the bbcs director of television from 2013 to 2015. Cohen is also jewish and writing in todays telegraph. He said the bbcs deep rooted prejudice is fuelling the poison of anti semitism. He wrote at times anti semitism. He wrote at times of significant crisis like this, our nations great institutions take on an increased importance. Take on an increased importance. In the case of the bbc, we expect it to provide us with accurate , unbiased reporting. Accurate, unbiased reporting. But the bbcs reporting of the hamas terrorist attacks and subsequent conflict has been a failure of both journalistic credibility and public duty devastate stuff. He goes on all the pain of the deadliest day for the jewish people since the holocaust has been sharpened by the failures of our National Broadcaster. And these failures have dangerous, real world consequence losses for britains Jewish Community. In part, cohen is referencing the astonishing refusal of the bbc to acknowledge the annihilation of 260 people at a music festival. The raping of women, the burning of bodies, the parading of corpses on the back of pickup trucks and the beheading of babies as terrorism from the bbc for the last two weeks, not only demonstrating prejudice and misjudgement as stars like john simpson continue to double down, but stubbornness and arrogance as well. Well, thats what as well. Well, thats what happens with public bodies who receive their money come what may. Now, why does this row over whether hamas are terrorists actually matter . Well, because a actually matter . Well, because a failure to do so sends a message to the world that these atrocities are somehow part of a strategic conflict with hamas being just militants, principled gunmen and freedom fighters, if you like. Language matters , as you like. Language matters, as does reporting following the devastating explosion at the al alawi hospital in gaza, killing at least 300 people. The bbc quickly speculated it was likely to be israel, a grave error for which theyve now apologised days after. Its now widely accepted that the stray rockets were launched by Islamic Jihad , were launched by Islamic Jihad, hamass Sister Organisation in the ugly sister with the bbc jumping to conclusions and wrongly pointing the finger at israel. Its partisan and israel. Its partisan and erroneous reporting spread like wildfire across the world, with millions in the powder keg of the middle east believing that israel was responsible for the bombing of a hospital. Bombing of a hospital. Anti semitic violence and anger followed with riots in several cities in the region and the cancellation of a series of critical diplomatic meetings with joe biden. No loss there and further hatred towards jewish people here in the west with the woke left be kind crowd among supporters of palestine in london yesterday calling for a jihad. In other words, a holy jihad. In other words, a holy war. Charming. So hamas attacked israel, jewish schoolchildren in britain have been advised to hide any signs of their religion. An anti semitic incidence in the country have increased by over 1,300. The bbcs record on anti semitism is starting to look as bad as that of jeremy corbyn. If the bbcs biased and inaccurate reporting threatens the safety of the 300,000 british jews that live in this country, we are in a very dark place indeed. Let me very dark place indeed. Let me give you a quote from a top tv insider who was at the beeb for years , who texted me earlier years, who texted me earlier today about the scandal. He said , mark, ive got a lot to say about the bbcs lack of leadership. Can it really call itself the British Broadcasting Corporation anymore when most of the country have lost trust in it . This ice rich, vast, powerful, organised nation which thinks it can behave with impunity and which thinks it can make boring, politically correct comedy shows and finger wagging dramas and cover identity politics and fringe issues , politics and fringe issues, rather than making television and radio programmes for everyone. Is precipitating its own downfall , all with one note own downfall, all with one note uncritical coverage of the pandemic measures and obvious anti brexit bias peddling mad woke ideology in its output. It woke ideology in its output. It and now a perceived editorial agenda against israel. Its reputation is hanging by a thread. The bbc, which is there to bring the country together for is leaving a nation divided. Ultimately i support the idea of the bbc, but at the moment our National Broadcaster is becoming a national embarrassment. It. A national embarrassment. It. Now. Whats your reaction, mark at gbnews. Com. Ill get to your emails shortly , but tonights emails shortly, but tonights top pundits speaker , coach and top pundits speaker, coach and social commentator adrian hayes, author and journalist Hilary Freeman, and former conservative mp and farmer neil parish. Hilary, ill start with you because you are jewish, is that right . Your because you are jewish, is that right . Your reaction to what this former executive at the bbc had to say . Had to say . Im afraid i entirely agree with him. The coverage, the bbc coverage has just been shocking and i think it has has led to problems for the Jewish Community in this country because people trust what the bbc says. And if there is bias in their reporting, then it has a direct effect on people. So by a direct effect on people. So by reporting that the without waiting to see the truth that the hospital bomb was caused by the hospital bomb was caused by the israelis, a lot of people have taken that as a rote and its all very well its like its all very well its like its like when newspapers print a correction, nobody really notices that. Page 37. Page 37. Yes, exactly. You know, its yes, exactly. You know, its all very well saying sorry after the it wrong the the event. We got it wrong the whole of the bbc and whole point of the bbc and impartial journalism is about not reporting something as fact until it is absolutely sure. And the fact that they jumped to that conclusion says a lot about their and what about the their bias and what about the bbcs refusal to call hamas a Terror Organisation . Now theyve said theyre a group who are proscribed as terrorists by the British Government does that satisfy you . I government does that satisfy you . I mean, the bbc would argue that when they didnt use that word and when they use the word militants, they were following procedure. Or do procedure and protocol. Or do you that . You accept that . Well , not really, you well, not really, because you know, they are known as a terrorist group. They are terrorists. I mean, its terrorists. I mean, its semantics, isnt it . So why why not call them terrorists . Everybody else was calling them terrorists. It was a terror attack. Indeed. Neil, ill come to indeed. Neil, ill come to you in a moment. Adrian, youve served in the military. What was your reaction to the way that that bombing of hospital was that bombing of a hospital was reported by the bbc which reported by the bbc in which they much took a punt, they pretty much took a punt, that this was israel . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what, neil . You know what, neil . Im looking at this whole war on one and the atrocities , on one side and the atrocities, the terrorism, the deaths, the carnage and everything and of course, the other side is the pr war, the propaganda war, and this whole move to blame this he did. She did. They did whatever. Did. She did. They did whatever. And its blame game. The blame game. And its just its just bizarre. But you know, ive lost faith in mainstream media, not just bbc, to be honest, for a long time, because i want the facts and their refusal to call it terrorism , if they it terrorism, if they were consistent, a whole consistent, its a whole inconsistent inconsistency that bugs me. You know, as you said in your in your monologue, very quick to call lockdown quick to call any lockdown protests, anti war vaxxers, any anyone across the narrative far right the rochdale grooming gangs they were rapists and this this its this just in inconsistency of labelling that really bugs me. We want both facts. We want both sides and being very cautious before we blame side because it does blame any side because it does stir up hatred and trouble. Now, i whether were being too i wonder whether were being too hard bbc hard on the bbc here. It has a global neil. It has a global reputation impartial reputation for impartial ality, arguably news arguably the most trusted news source on the planet. The bbc have made a statement saying that preoccupied that they are preoccupied with neutral , witty and vigorous neutral, witty and vigorous journalistic standards for which they a long track record. They have a long track record. Would you agree . No, because on this instance, you know what . What do you need to to be what do you need to be to be called a terrorist . If you murder women children and murder women and children and innocent men, youre not a terrorist group. Of course you are. And of of course you are. And of course, ive been listening to the bbc, especially on radio four, and what i what i really object to is not that they bring on palestinian and hamas on the palestinian and hamas representatives, they dont representatives, but they dont challenge representatives, but they dont chatheye representatives, but they dont chathey just let representatives, but they dont cha they just let them representatives, but they dont chathey just let them rant and they just let them rant and rave about israel. They dont rave about israel. They dont actually ask them why is israel actually ask them why is israel actually taking this action . You know, if we had lots of women and children and babies killed by a terrorist group, would we not react as a country . Would our population not demand it . And rocket attacks on an almost daily basis . And, you know, i mean, this is theyre getting time. Well, folks, do well, look, folks, what do you this market . You think about this market . Gbnews. Com. Your reaction to the bbcs coverage israel bbcs coverage of this israel story . Whats happening in the middle east, israel and gaza . Let me know your thoughts. But coming up next in the big story following double by election defeat week and mammoth defeat this week and a mammoth swing labour, is it time for swing to labour, is it time for the tories in towel the tories to throw in the towel and accept or does rishi and accept defeat or does rishi sunak one last trick up his sunak have one last trick up his sleeve . Ill be asking rockstar professor Matthew Goodwin and tv entertainment legend and lifelong tory Christopher Biggins. Is lifelong tory Christopher Biggins. Is there a future for sunak . Well discuss that next. Sunak . Well discuss that next. Thank you radio. Well, i believe that the bbc have not covered themselves in glory in their coverage of the israel story, the attack on israel, on the 7th of october, a terror attack , by the way. Big terror attack, by the way. Big response on email marketing cbnnews. Com this from lets have a look. Rainbow warrior who says, mark, nobody tunes into the bbc anymore. They tune into gb news who know to how report. Well, look, thank you for that. Ive got to say, i do think the bbc does have a fantastic tradition of broadcasting and of reporting, but i think they dropped the ball when it comes to israel. Jim says mark, its obvious that islam has woven its mediaeval tentacles within the bbc closed the tainted curse. It is no longer trusted richard the bbc is one the definition of arrogant bias to a disgrace how its covered. The recent terrible events and three a forced tax for something most people wouldnt pay to use by choice. And i shall get some choice. And i shall get some more of your emails shortly. Can ijust more of your emails shortly. Can i just bring you a statement from the bbc and the bbc have said the following we wouldnt agree with this characterisation of the bbc as regards the israel hospital story. Our starting point is always impartial charity and we take that incredibly seriously. We they go incredibly seriously. We they go on to say thats why we take so much effort to get our coverage of significant and complex world events right. Okay, folks, events right. Okay, folks, listen, ill get to more of your emails shortly. Dont forget Ann Widdecombe live in the studio after ten. But first, the big story. And tonight, the story. And tonight, the conservatives suffered a double by election defeat this week in the safe tory seats of bedfordshire and tamworth , where bedfordshire and tamworth, where labour enjoyed a 23. 9 swing from the tories. As former from the tories. As former business secretary and gb news star jacob rees mogg, writing in starjacob rees mogg, writing in the mail newspaper this week, says the tories are in a torpor not seen since henry the sixth catatonic state. So have the conservatives reached the point of no return, or is there a lever . The beleaguered rishi sunak can pull to turn around his fortunes . A cracking piece of journalism in the sun this weekend from top politics academic Matthew Goodwin , who academic Matthew Goodwin, who said rishi sunak is in the last chance saloon and he has just only one thing on his side, and thatis only one thing on his side, and that is time. Um, so what do we that is time. Um, so what do we think . Is it is it the moment for mrs. Starmer to get into number 10 and measure up for curtains . Im delighted to say that tv personality and lifelong conservative Christopher Biggins joins us and the aforementioned and rock star, professor of politics at the university of kent, Matthew Goodwin. Gentlemen, welcome to the show. Let me start with you. Biggins do you think it is game over for the tories now . Have you torn up your membership card . Your membership card . Certainly not. I think theres time and i think time is of an essence. Its a particular moment. But i of an essence. Its a particular moment. But i think rishi, if he was to ask the government, the country rather to go to the polls now, i think it would be a disaster. But i think if he leaves it a little bit longer or as long as he can leave it, he will make it up and we will we will make it up and we will we will come through waving our union jacks and saying, yes, we are here and we want to be here forever. For now, weve just lost the line to matthew. Ill come back to matthew in just a moment. Look time, i think, is a very good point. A week is a long time in politics. What would you like to hear from rishi sunak that you think would inspire more people to vote for him . More people to vote for him . Christopher. Now, a very rare christopher. Now, a very rare thing has happened , which is thing has happened, which is that Christopher Biggins has been silenced. Oh, i think we got biggins. We lost the audio there. Sorry were having some technical problems. What do you technical problems. What do you want to hear from rishi sunak that dial for him . Well, i want to hear him finding some more money to help people who have no money. I mean, you know , we cant be mean, you know, we cant be having now these awful times where people have to go to food banks. We have to do something about that. We have to do something about the national health. I dont theres not a money tree anywhere. If there money tree anywhere. If there was, wed all be using it. And we but government is in a very difficult position. There is not the money around that. People think there is, but we should be doing things for the people who needit doing things for the people who need it desperately. People we need it desperately. People we cant have. People starving. We cant have. People starving. We cant have. People starving. We cant have people not, not not living the proper life that they should. I mean, this the whole world is in disarray at the moment. Its just appalling. Whats happening around the country. I think its the end of the world, to be honest with you. Mark i think this is it. This could be our last interview. I do. I do feel hope not. I do. I do feel i hope not. But do we are in dark but i do feel we are in dark times. Professor matthew times. Professor Matthew Goodwin, on your goodwin, its got to be on your bucket political bucket list to have a political debate on television with Christopher Biggins. Is can i ask you about thrust of ask you about the main thrust of your for the sun . This your piece for the sun . This weekend . What did you say . Weekend . What did you say . Yeah, thanks, mark. Yeah, thanks, mark. So essentially, if you look at the by elections that just at the by elections that we just had, suggest that the had, they would suggest that the conservatives doomed. Conservatives are really doomed. And so ive been basically saying , look, could saying, look, what could rishi sunak if he was going to turn sunak do if he was going to turn things around . And the reason i say, look , hes got to really say, look, hes got to really make the most out of the time that hes got is because i think there are two things that really matter. First, inflation has to fall much further than it has until now, because then that will essentially allow rishi sunak to say, look, we are getting over the worst. We are actually beginning just slowly but beginning to turn the corner. And the second thing, mark, which i know you and your viewers care a lot about, is a small boat. Weve got rwanda judgement in november. Thats just around the corner. Rishi sunak really needs that judgement to go corner. Rishi sunak really needs thatjudgement to go his corner. Rishi sunak really needs that judgement to go his way again. Again. If that happens, hell be able to go into the election at the end of 24 saying, look, you might not like the conservative party, but the reality is inflation is coming down. The small boat numbers are coming down. Were beginning to deal with these problems. Will that be . I dont would be enough . I dont know. I would still you hes got be enough . I dont know. I would still a you hes got be enough . I dont know. I would still a 5 ou hes got be enough . I dont know. I would still a 5 chance hes got be enough . I dont know. I would still a 5 chance of|es got be enough . I dont know. I would still a 5 chance of winning the maybe a 5 chance of winning the election. But but, you know, he really needs these things to go his way. Now, mark, in the next yean e yean all about well, its all about momentum, isnt it, christopher . Momentum, isnt it, christopher . And i wonder whether the and i just wonder whether the british public, the voting public, have a profound sense of common sense. And i wonder whether they feel, even if they dont like keir starmer, even if they like labour, they they dont like labour, they might think, its time might just think, god, its time for a change. Do you think thats happen . Thats going to happen . A change would be well, a change would be interesting and theres nothing wrong in change. Change is a marvellous things. What i would like because we are in such a terrible , terrible position in terrible, terrible position in this at the moment. I this country at the moment. I hate the idea of Coalition Governments , but why dont governments, but why dont everybody come together here and try and sort out our problems . And the problem is are there we mustnt just have fighting in the house of commons saying this and that and shouting at each other. We must all get together and and solve it. Coalition and try and solve it. Coalition no , but get together as a group no, but get together as a group of human beings who want Something Better for this country. Country. Thats a brilliant idea. A thats a brilliant idea. A government of National Unity , government of National Unity, just like we had during the war, begins. I love that thought. Begins. I love that thought. I wish it would happen. I doubt it wish it would happen. I doubt it will. Matthew can we talk about some rare positive things for the tories . Its always been my view that although hes not as charismatic as boris johnson, rishi sunak edges it as the better ceo of the country than keir starmer. Do you think in keir starmer. Do you think in our increasingly president ial system that this could help sunakin system that this could help sunak in a years time . I think sunak in a years time . I think instinctively i, i agree with you, mark, in the sense that rishi, i think is , is adapting rishi, i think is, is adapting to the role. To the role. If you saw him on the world stage this last week doing the middle east talks and negotiations , he looked prime negotiations, he looked Prime Ministerial at points. But look the reality he is nobody dodi in frontline british politics today. He is very popular. Both keir starmer and rishi sunak really have leadership ratings that are a long way from, say, tony blair in the 90s or Margaret Thatcher at her peak. And we are somewhat unique in having a pretty unpopular political class. And unpopular political class. And one of the key things that you just mentioned , which is bang on just mentioned, which is bang on the money, is it time for a change . Now thats one of the questions that really goes a long way predicting the next long way to predicting the next election. About 65 of brits election. And about 65 of brits today, mark, say , you know what, today, mark, say, you know what, its time for a change. And when youve got two thirds of the country its time for country saying its time for a change, its very difficult for any however popular, to any leader. However popular, to push back against that. What would you like to see happening to the tories after the election . Christopher if it doesnt work out for them, what direction should they take . They should go and think about what theyve done and how they havent succeeded. They havent succeeded. And perhaps the next and perhaps in the next election they can come fonnard. I mean , i think there are i mean, i think there are problems with every single party we and that is the real we have and that is the real problem. I think theres nobody really that opposing rishi that i would like. I would think, yes, this is the man. This is the man. This is the woman that i want to take hold of this country and do something. Country and do something. Theres nobody there. Theres nobody there. What do you think, matthew . I know its a little early for the post mortem , but how do the post mortem, but how do the tories regroup after the next election if they are eviscerated . Well, i was just going to say , mark, maybe one thing we might needin , mark, maybe one thing we might need in this country is a new political party. Maybe we need a new Political Movement that is more in touch with where the voters really are. My big worry for the conservatives is that they will wrongly conclude that they will wrongly conclude that the answer to this is to is to move away from all of the things that suella and others have been talking about and theyll theyll rush behind a penny. Mordaunt of, you mordaunt or some kind of, you know , one nation kind wet know, one nation kind of wet tory and, and it will be very difficult for them if they do that. Think what need that. I think what they need to do christopher alluded to do and christopher alluded to this, theyve got to spend some time opposition and think time in opposition and think about they are and think about who they are and think about who they are and think about what they believe, what about what do they believe, what do they want to do to the country. Because at the moment i country. Because at the moment i look conservative party and look at a conservative party and l, look at a conservative party and i, i look at a conservative party and l, i dont look at a conservative party and i, i dont see look at a conservative party and i, conservatism iont see look at a conservative party and i, conservatism. Nt see look at a conservative party and i, conservatism. I� t see look at a conservative party and i, conservatism. I dont see a much conservatism. I dont see a party thats trying to conserve the country in any serious way. If anything, i see a party thats trying to radically change the country in lots of ways that voters dont like. So i suspect that they will have a lot of time to think about those questions very soon. Do you check out Matthew Goodwins brilliant substack articles at matthew j. Goodwin. Com and Christopher Biggins will be back on the mark dolan tonight sofa very soon. Thanks biggins and thank you matthew for your reaction. Mark gbnews. Com. Coming up with tonights pundits , should tonights pundits, should shoplifters be forced to wear a tag . And is it shoplifters be forced to wear a tag . And is it time to skip sober october in order to help out our local boozer . All of thatis out our local boozer . All of that is next. Plus if the tories collapse at the next election, is nigel farage the man to lead them back to victory . That is tonights tex poll. The results are shall reveal all and youre listening to gb news radio. News radio. Now reacting to the big stories of the day. Tonights top pundits, speaken tonights top pundits, speaker, coach and social commentator adrian hayes, author and journalist Hilary Freeman, and journalist Hilary Freeman, and former conservative mp and farmer neil parish. Now, listen, farmer neil parish. Now, listen, lots of emails coming in on a variety of issues, but on the tories, is it game over for them . Anthony says. Who would ever vote for a conservative party ever again when theyd been voted into office with a landslide victory for change and have done absolutely nothing at all . I think that email speaks for many now plans are being considered by the government to make shoplifters wear gps tracking tags so that the police can track thieves movements at all times. It comes as an emergency measure in the hope of combating crime. So what do we think should shoplifters be forced to wear a tag . Neil . Forced to wear a tag . Neil . I think they should actually , i think they should actually, because i think these short term sentencing for serial shoplifters does no good at all because i think they go into the best school of crime. They can find. They make best find. They make the best contacts possible theyre find. They make the best co prison possible theyre find. They make the best co prison andible theyre find. They make the best co prison and probably theyre find. They make the best co prison and probably geteyre find. They make the best co prison and probably get out in prison and probably get out and worse than they and are a sight worse than they were went in there. Were before they went in there. So what you need to be able to do literally track them, sort do is literally track them, sort them out and hopefully might them out and hopefully it might actually help with their behaviour in shops as well behaviour in the shops as well because of abuse to shop because a lot of abuse to shop workers so theres workers and others. So theres a real problem, especially with your smaller shops virtually putting some of them out of business because of shoplifting. And you know , i think it and so, you know, i think it needs to reaction. But i think sending to jail doesnt sending people to jail doesnt work for short term sentence. So work for short term sentence. So therefore, i think the tagging is good as long as they are actually properly tagged and properly reacted to. And actually action is taken to stop them shoplifting. Thats the key to the whole thing. What do you think about this, hilary . Well, i think if youre talking about serial shoplifters , people who are doing this sort of, part of gangs, you of, you know, part of gangs, you know, to steal things, sell know, to steal things, to sell on. Yes that it does sense. On. Yes that it does make sense. But youve got to look at why shoplifting is on rise. And shoplifting is on the rise. And a of the reason that a lot of the reason that shoplifting rise shoplifting is on the rise is because poor because people are so poor that they to shoplift, is they need to shoplift, which is why things like fish in, you know, now tesco has know, a salmon now in tesco has got it. I mean, its got a tag on it. I mean, its crazy , know, used to be crazy, you know, it used to be things that were things like alcohol that were high value. Now, you know, a packet you know, high value. Now, you know, a paciseen you know, high value. Now, you know, a paciseen of you know, high value. Now, you know, a paciseen of coffee| know, tagged. Yeah. Yeah. And formula for, you and baby formula for, you know, things that people actually essential things actually need, essential things and i dont want to see, you know , to end with women know, to end up with women whove gone in cant afford whove gone in and cant afford to formula ending to get their baby formula ending up because it of up with a tag because it kind of almost becomes like youre putting them stocks, you putting them in the stocks, you know, kind know, going back to that kind of society, public society, sort of public humiliation. Yes think . I mean, what do you think . I mean, many argue should many would argue that you should have of visible have some sort of visible deterrence, adrian , look , its fact. But frankly , shoplifting is but frankly, shoplifting is on the increase because they know they wont get caught. Theres no punishment. That theres no punishment. And that comes so called low comes down to the so called low level crime and the lack of policing, not policing, the policing just not on everything like on the beat and everything like this. I think, you this. And also, i think, you know, weve moral know, weve lost our moral compass country that compass in this country that what what is right and what is good, what is right and wrong is been completely wrong is just been completely dumbed well, thats dumbed downgraded. Well, thats effectively become decriminalised, hasnt it . Reports in the telegraph now reports in the telegraph today say that pub landlords across country across the country are boycotting Macmillan Cancer support over its sober october. The publicans are accusing the charity of putting off customers from their already struggling businesses , claiming their businesses, claiming their takings can drop by as much as 50. As sobriety is encouraged among punters. One landlord said that theres so much more macmillan could do to raise money than picking on an industry that is already at rock bottom. So is it time to skip sober october in order to save your local boozer . Hilary, do your local boozer . Hilary, do your local boozer . Hilary, do you like a drink . Do you know what . Im not a big drinker. Do you know what . Im not a big drinker. In fact, do you know what . Im not a big drinker. In fact, thats big drinker. In fact, thats good news. Youre a cheap date. Youre a cheap date. Youre a cheap date. Cheap date. I get im a very cheap date. I get on one glass of wine these days. Honestly but seriously. Honestly but no, seriously. Good to know. Duly noted. Good to know. Duly noted. Good to know. Duly noted. For the christmas gb news christmas party. See you there. Yeah, i didnt drink for yeah, but i didnt drink for a while at all. For health reasons, and i didnt actually miss it all that much. But one thing i did find was that pubs have a terrible, terrible selection soft drinks, and selection of soft drinks, and perhaps if , selection of soft drinks, and perhaps if, you know, if selection of soft drinks, and perhaps if , you know, if these perhaps if, you know, if these pubs are complaining about sober october, they provide october, why dont they provide much more interesting and varied soft drinks that people will still come to the pub . You dont just go to the pub to get drunk, you go to the pub to socialise and to talk so, you and to talk to people. So, you know, drinks. Know, soft drinks. When gave up drinking, when you gave up drinking, did friends . Did you lose many friends . I gained quite a lot no, no, i gained quite a lot because cheaper because i was an even cheaper date. Go. Date. There you go. And you were coherent as well. Exactly. Exactly. Give people a lift people give people a lift home. Adrian, what do you think about this . Because are about this . Because pubs are already struggling. So october and honest with and also, can i be honest with you, thats going in and also, can i be honest with you news thats going in and also, can i be honest with you news at thats going in and also, can i be honest with you news at therts going in and also, can i be honest with you news at the moment, in and also, can i be honest with you news at the moment, i in and also, can i be honest with you news at the moment, i think the news at the moment, i think we need drink, dont we . We need a drink, dont we . I agree. Yeah, i agree. Yeah, i agree. Mean, i dont these i mean, i dont like these months, this , months, this dry january, this, this movember, things, the this movember, these things, the vegan one. Whats the vegan veganuary. Whats the vegan veganuary. Yeah. Is it that one . Yeah. Is it that one . Definitely. Dont you know. Month the one month and it says the farmers not happy. Meat farmer. Red meat farmer. Red meat farmer. I mean, be honest. One i mean, lets be honest. One month goal, get all the our goal, if you get all the time, the 11 months time, the rest of the 11 months of year not to of the year is not going to change. Your succumbing to cancer the your succumbing to cancer if thats part of the things. Yeah. Look, im passionate about cancen yeah. Look, im passionate about cancer. I think if we you know, if put far more into if we put far more money into that than into certain that than we had into certain other diseases and to other diseases and things to begin yes, yes , we begin with, see. Yes, yes, we know i mean, you know , know that. But i mean, you know, but Cancer Charities, by the but the Cancer Charities, by the way, looking to way, macmillan, are looking to raise how about raise more money. How about a bit of amalgamation of the 600 cancer that are in the Cancer Charities that are in the uk right now . 600 odd. So a little bit. Im a little bit suspicious cynical about the of the charity world. So well they have quite often i mean i think macmillan do a great job but some of them have these massive Central London headquarters , Central London headquarters, dont they. With teams of staff yeah, with big teams of staff and yeah, the bureaucracy , a bit and yeah, the bureaucracy, a bit of amalgamation would help the fundraising as well. Yes. Yes. What do think about this, what do you think about this, yeah, i i you have a yeah, i mean i do you have a little when youre at little tipple when youre at your table. I like a your farmyard table. I like a drink, but i think, know, drink, but i think, you know, when milking when youve been milking bovines all you milk bovines all day, you dont milk bovines their beef animals. You know what i do need . I do need. I need. What i do need . I do need. I need. I do need to educate you need. I do need to educate you on these. I need a trip to that barn. I got to say. But seriously, you know, drinking, having is the having a dry october is the wrong way of doing it. Its like a crash diet. You immediately put the weight back on. So thats of just on thats sort of just cut back on drinking. And i think the idea of a good selection of of having a good selection of soft drinks perhaps there soft drinks and perhaps there could be levy on these too , could be a levy on these too, you know, help the charities as macmillan that would be a macmillan so that would be a much better way than just suddenly people, dont suddenly saying to people, dont dnnkin suddenly saying to people, dont drink in october, just drink less, drink some non alcoholic and perhaps give a donation to charity. Because i do actually think macmillan do a very, very good job because cancer is a terrible curse. And, you know, terrible curse. And, you know, people do need their people really do need their help. So like i said, im not anti macmillan, but i am like most of us arent he . This sort of suddenly stopping everything for a month and then when you go back on it, you probably go back on thats not good. So on more and thats not good. So therefore, lets sort of reduce it and go on to more soft drinks. The other thing, the non alcoholic beers these days in this country are phenomenal. Better than anywhere in europe. Theyre way better. I have had can a brand . Go for it. Can i name a brand . Go for it. Guinness zero last night and it actually tastes like the real thing. So i dont i barely drink like or just one glass of like you or just one glass of wine. A couple of of wine. A couple of glass of wine a week trying to keep a week because trying to keep the you all know. A week because trying to keep the your you all know. A week because trying to keep the your bodys you all know. A week because trying to keep the your bodys a ou all know. A week because trying to keep the your bodys a temple, now. A week because trying to keep the your bodys a temple, isnt but your bodys a temple, isnt it . Yeah, one. But but, it . Yeah, a ruined one. But but, but go the pub it is. But you can go the pub it is. Is a mansion. Yours is yours is a mansion. Yours is like a large mansion. Thats like a large mansion. Thats like a large mansion. Thats like a its like an end of terrace semi. Yes. Ill leave it there. Yes. Ill leave it there. I think. Think. But, but there you go folks. By but, but there you go folks. By the way, of course, weve had a bit of a laugh about alcohol, but are having any but if you are having any problems if youre problems with it, if youre struggling do out struggling with it, do reach out for speak gp for help. Speak to your gp alcoholics all the for help. Speak to your gp alco oflics all the for help. Speak to your gp alco of it. I all the for help. Speak to your gp alco of it. You all the for help. Speak to your gp alcoof it. You mustnt all the for help. Speak to your gp alco of it. You mustnt sufferie rest of it. You mustnt suffer in is in silence. Booze is a tremendous blessing, but it can be problem for many people. So be a problem for many people. So be a problem for many people. So be careful out there. Coming up in my take at ten, you wont want to miss this, folks. 20 minutes from now, the halo has supped minutes from now, the halo has slipped David Beckham slipped for saint David Beckham as lover speaks as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its time for goldenballs to spill the beans about his activities. Both and off the activities. Both on and off the pitch. But next up, my mark meets is one of the most meets guest is one of the most respected and influential figures the figures in british politics. The honourable paisley mp. Hell honourable ian paisley mp. Hell talk about his remarkable father and whether he thinks there are parallels between what happened and whether he thinks there are pa northern tween what happened and whether he thinks there are pa Northern Ireland vhat happened and whether he thinks there are pa Northern Ireland vhat itheyened in Northern Ireland with the troubles and whats happening now middle east. Ian now in the middle east. Ian paisley studio. N ext next brilliant stuff. Well, look, in brilliant stuff. Well, look, in my take at ten, the halo has supped my take at ten, the halo has slipped for saint David Beckham as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its time for goldenballs to spill the beans about his activities on and off the pitch. Thats at 10 00. You wont want to miss it. But first, mark meets. And tonight, one of the meets. And tonight, one of the best known and most respected figures in british politics, the honourable ian paisley, the Democratic Unionist Party member of for parliament north antrim, who succeeded his iconic father in that seat. Of course, the in that seat. Of course, the reverend ian paisley. There are reverend ian paisley. There are many issues in his inbox. Brexit has seen an unsatisfactory settlement for Northern Ireland, which many argue is being treated now as a vassal state of the eu , and theres still no the eu, and theres still no power sharing agreement in stormont. So what is the future for this important part of the United Kingdom, which limps on without a functioning government . What about the Peace Process and are there parallels with what happened in Northern Ireland during the troubles and israel right now . Are israel and gaza right now . Are those comparisons approaching it . And could a similar peace be achieved in the middle east as we saw in Northern Ireland . Who better to ask than ian paisley mp ian, thank you so much for coming in. Mp ian, thank you so much for conthank. Mp ian, thank you so much for conthank you for having and thank you for having me and lovely to with us on lovely to have you with us on a sunday here. Well, if you werent here, what be doing . Would well, if you werent here, what nursing be doing . Would well, if you werent here, what nursing llittleng . Would well, if you werent here, what nursing llittlengniceyuld you be nursing a little a nice sort whisky something . Sort of whisky or something . Nursing my id actually be nursing my grandson, who turned a year on sunday last sunday. Wonderful little so hes a wonderful little guy, might be guy, george. So he might even be watching me tonight, knows . You go. Well, there you go. Hello little hes little george. Im sure hes a fine little man. Little george. Im sure hes a final little man. Little george. Im sure hes a final comingnan. Little george. Im sure hes a final coming through the i was coming through the airport tonight way over airport tonight on my way over here guys in the here and one of the guys in the airport me. Says youre airport stopped me. Says youre doing thv tonight. Thats right. Were right. Is that right . Yes, were very program, mark. Right. Is that right . Yes, were very and program, mark. Right. Is that right . Yes, were very and he program, mark. Right. Is that right . Yes, were very and he saidam, mark. Right. Is that right . Yes, were very and he said you mark. Right. Is that right . Yes, were very and he said you have. Right. Is that right . Yes, were very and he said you have to well, and he said you have to give mark something from northern so no expense Northern Ireland. So no expense was spared. I brought you a pack of ulsters tayto crisps. Cheese and onion. Absolute favourite made an ulster taste of ulster. Ulster taste of ulster. So you enjoy them, dont share them. This is wonderful. This is wonderful. Look, im so honoured. Im so look, im so honoured. Im so grateful. Is an absolute delicacy. Absolutely. Absolutely. And my father is from county cavan and he went to school in enniskillen. Wow and so im very familiar with these. Theres a familiar with these. Theres a taste of my childhood. They are fantastic. We other brands, of course, are available, but these are the best. There you go. Tayto they do go very well with a bottle of cider. Cider. Una all right. Okay. Yeah. Una all right. Okay. Yeah. Or probably rather a pint of guinness. Well you know whats great with them . Honestly . Two white pieces of bread. Some odd cream, and then in the middle, i kid you not. Sounds decadent, but, yeah, we really do im really shouldnt do this. Im all not a cookery show. All in. Its not a cookery show. In. Look, thank im all in. Well, look, thank you first gift you for the gift. First gift ive on mark meets. And ive had on mark meets. And thank you that. A gift thank you for that. Its a gift that here because that youre here because ive got ask you. Got so much to ask you. Can we start important start with the important business to to business that matters to you, to your viewers your constituents, to my viewers and northern and listeners in Northern Ireland . Power sharing. When will power will we see a return to power sharing . Needs happen . Sharing . What needs to happen . Well be well well, look, lets be absolutely clear. Power we want to have a power sharing executive. People sharing executive. The people of northern elected Northern Ireland have elected politicians to do this. But the reason thats the reason why there isnt power sharing, and thats government thats because the government hasnt brexit properly hasnt delivered brexit properly to Northern Ireland. Theyre still beholden to the eu. With regards first the regards to, first of all, the protocol. And course protocol. And then of course were you never change it. Were told you never change it. We did change it. We got the Windsor Framework, change we did change it. We got the windstcompleteork, change we did change it. We got the windstcompleteork, job. Change we did change it. We got the windstcompleteork, job. Letsige it and complete the job. Lets give us the tools, finish the job and let us get brexit done with in Northern Ireland. That happens. You will then have an happens. You will then have an executive in Northern Ireland. The why dont have the reason why we dont have an executive is because unionist ministers an ministers would have to work an agreement that contained a protocol a Windsor Framework protocol or a Windsor Framework that was actually undermining the. The union. Basically dilutes indeed, it basically dilutes the principle of the United Kingdom and treats Northern Ireland though ireland differently, even though we are country. We are one country. Totally different, even take food. Wonder i was able food. Its a wonder i was able to get that food here to get that food over here tonight without having fill tonight without having to fill in i mean , i in an export form. I mean, i know we laugh about it, but seriously , products coming from seriously, products coming from gb to Northern Ireland, same part the same kingdom you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to the same kingdom you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to fillsame kingdom you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to fill inne kingdom you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to fill in forms gdom you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to fill in forms. Dom you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to fill in forms. Itm you gb to Northern Ireland, same part to fill in forms. It is you appalling. What about the next election . How might the outcome of the next election impact the future of power sharing . Of power sharing . I think thats look , i think i think thats look, i think there is going to be a change in government, and i think looking at the results at the weekend in the last election there, it probably is going to be quite a decisive two by elections, big swing to and whats swing to labour and whats happening swing to labour and whats hapjitning swing to labour and whats hapjit all; swing to labour and whats hapjit all to for at this has it all to play for at this point. Of course, its up to government the election government to lose the election and ive always taken the view that labour is is worse that labour is bark is worse than bite. I was very than its bite. I was very pleased with what keir starmer said a few days ago before his party that united Party Conference that United Ireland referendum even ireland referendum wasnt even on cards as far as was on the cards as far as he was concerned. Thats very reassuring stabilising reassuring about stabilising things and that well just be deaung things and that well just be dealing with normal politics under of under those circumstances of a Labour Government. But in my view is we do get a labour view is if we do get a Labour Government, the government, maybe that is the dynamic required to get dynamic that is required to get the changes with europe and therefore to get a government set up, because been set up, because ive been disappointed with what tory disappointed with what the tory government how government has done to it. How long you and your party sit long will you and your party sit on hands stormont long will you and your party sit on have s stormont long will you and your party sit on have a stormont long will you and your party sit on have a governing1t executive . I mean, will you wait a year, two there any time two years . Is there any time limit . Limit . Well, lets be clear. We dont this is dont want to do this. This is the resort. And we said the last resort. And we said that there was whole of that there was a whole lot of steps could have been steps that could have been taken, our Party Leaders had taken, and our Party Leaders had to these drastic measures to take these drastic measures which we really didnt want to do. So we havent put a time limit on it. What were trying to do is get the solution so the ball is very much at Chris Heaton Harris secretary Heaton Harris toe, the secretary of ireland, of state for Northern Ireland, and to kick it in and its up to him to kick it in the right direction. Northern ireland, a beautiful country, amazing people, amazing history, amazing culture, excellent crisps. Yes. And a troubled past. So its 2023 now. Were in a far better place than we were when you were growing up as a lad. And indeed, when i was growing up as a lad. So what are your memories of the troubles and how did that shape your political outlook . Look, troubles were a look, the troubles were a daily occurrence. So i was born in 1966, and by the mid 70s when i was a ten year old, i mean, the troubles daily the troubles were a daily occurrence. We were waking up to the on our radio. Either the sounds on our radio. Either of shops centres being destroyed by bombs, soldiers or Police Officers being murdered, civilians being murdered in retaliatory shootings, a sectarian warfare going on. It was horrible. And unemployment was horrible. And unemployment was at an all time high. The sense of hopelessness was palpable and there was a lack of Firm Government to actually deal with this. Thank fully. That did change and it changed for the better. We now have the lowest unemployment levels across the uk. Weve got massive amount of uk. Weve got massive amount of our people all work not only work in the Civil Service for the uk but also in the armed services. I think with a population of about 2 of the whole of the uk, were about 7 of army. Remarkable. Of the army. Thats remarkable. It is incredible. So we make a major contribution. Good people who have your back. Good, good people, good, good people, genuine people, tell a spear people, they will tell a spear as a spear. Will tell it as a spear. They will tell it straight but theyre straight to you, but theyre honourable loyal. Honourable and theyre loyal. And people deserve the and those people deserve the very best. Like every other citizen of the United Kingdom and because for 40 years and because for almost 40 years they worst out and they had the very worst out and a of them paid with their a lot of them paid with their own blood to remain british, indeed, your father , the indeed, your father, the reverend ian paisley, was a key figure in that journey to peace. Figure in that journey to peace. What are your memories of your amazing dad . Dad was the biggest alpha male you could probably ever meet. He was male you could probably ever meet. He was dominant. He was booming. Voice big physical presence as well. Yeah. Big physical man , but a yeah. Big physical man, but a charmer as well , you know, could charmer as well, you know, could turn it on in terms of making a speech. A wonderful orator. But if you ask me who was my father, my father was a pastor. He was my father was a pastor. He was a preacher. That was his real job. He just loved caring for people and being pastor. And then he and being a pastor. And then he took political and being a pastor. And then he took as political and being a pastor. And then he took as well. Political and being a pastor. And then he took as well. So political and being a pastor. And then he took as well. So he olitical and being a pastor. And then he took as well. So he was al and being a pastor. And then he took as well. So he was active role as well. So he was active in politics, elected for over 40 years the house of commons as years to the house of commons as a member of house of lords, a member of the house of lords, a member of the house of lords, a member of the house of lords, a member of the european parliament, member various parliament, a member of various assemblies parliament, a member of various assanblies parliament, a member of various assa fulles parliament, a member of various assa full time politician, but so a full time politician, but also a person who had real passion and charisma and a desire change things for the desire to change things for the better in Northern Ireland. And i like he to say, i think like he used to say, that not you start that its not how you start a race, how you finish it. Race, its how you finish it. Thats well. Thats dad finished really well. He finished really well in terms of the province and in terms of how Northern Ireland ended up. Legacy and amazing legacy and his relationship martin relationship with martin mcguinness, the former commander in chief of the ira. Quite remarkable, journey. And it remarkable, that journey. And it shows what a forgiving nature he had and what a pragmatist was had and what a pragmatist he was. He wasnt the sort of. He wasnt quite the sort of inflexible, brand that he inflexible, fiery brand that he was characterised as. Once asked, was characterised as. Has once asked, was characterised as. Has attracted once asked, was characterised as. Has attracted you once asked, was characterised as. Has attracted you to ce asked, was characterised as. Has attracted you to have ed, what has attracted you to have a relationship with the former commander the provisional ira commander of the provisional ira . And said word former. . And he said the word former. Yeah wow. I mean, if only more politicians would be a change like that. Politicians would be a change likeandt. Thats what and thats thats what happened, and thats happened, you know, and thats quite happened, you know, and thats quithe happened, you know, and thats quithe remarkable concession the remarkable concession given mean, all parallels that given i mean, all parallels that are being between what are being drawn between what happened Northern Ireland happened in Northern Ireland with middle with the troubles and the middle east, they appropriate it east, are they appropriate it comparative politics is always a difficult comparative politics is always a diffyou. Comparative politics is always a diffyou know , to compare, say, you know, to compare, say, Northern Ireland cyprus Northern Ireland to cyprus and other state or or to other protection state or or to israel palestine. No i dont israel and palestine. No i dont think it is entirely appropriate, but i think there are at stake. Are certain principles at stake. So, if the israeli so, for example, if the israeli people being targeted people being just targeted and butchered and indiscriminately , butchered and indiscriminately, i mean, my empathy and sympathy is with them in that regard, to see their people kidnapped. We had kidnapped during our had people kidnapped during our troubles. People troubles. We had people disappeared during our troubles with just with people just indiscriminately bombed and murdered. So i have total murdered. So i have total sympathy them and their sympathy with them and their right respect their right to right and respect their right to respond that legitimately , respond to that legitimately, and they will respond to it legitimately. Israel a legitimately. Israel is a democratic nation. It respects the international of law , the International Rule of law, and it has a right to defend its citizens on its territory. And i wish them well. And i pray for wish them well. And i pray for israel. I mean, theres a beautiful verse in the bible that christ wept over jerusalem and i think that thats incredibly important, that as christians, we recognise that we should be compassionate about all of jerusalem. And jerusalem all of jerusalem. And jerusalem is a divided city, is of course, a divided city, the divided people in it. And we should will should weep for them all will the union united, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland . Will it still be here in 50 years time . My little grandson will it still be here in 50 ye going ne . My little grandson will it still be here in 50 ye going ne . My lithe grandson will it still be here in 50 ye going ne . My lithe union son will it still be here in 50 yegoing ne . My lithe union and is going to enjoy the union and his children are going to enjoy the union. George young george. Hes going because going to enjoy the union because it is the best union and it is it is the best union and longest union in the world. And why is it a Successful Union, a Successful Union . Economically, culturally, socially , culturally, socially, politically, historically . It is successful. Yes, it is. Bumps successful. Yes, it is. Bumps along the way , but its along the way, but its a winning place to be. And i want to the winning side, dont to be on the winning side, dont you . I most do. You . Well i most certainly do. What thrill to have listen, what a thrill to have you studio. And are you in the studio. And are you back tomorrow . Back in the commons tomorrow . More thank you more power to you. Thank you very much. To ian very much. Very much. To ian paisley , and potatoes , by the paisley, mp and potatoes, by the way. Look, id better be sort of proper about it compliant proper about it and compliant and theres walkers, crisps and say theres walkers, crisps as brand, as well. Sainsburys own brand, but quite beats these. But nothing quite beats these. Even just the smell. Now coming up the 10 00 hour, tomorrows up in the 10 00 hour, tomorrows papers hot off the press with live reaction tonights live reaction from tonights top pundits. My take at pundits. And in my take at ten, you wont miss this. The you wont want to miss this. The halo for saint david halo has slipped for saint David Beckham as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its for golden speaks out. Its time for golden balls to spill the beans about his activities both on and off the pitch. Get the kettle on and the pitch. Get the kettle on and ill see you in two. Welcome back to the show. Really busy hour to come. Welcome back to the show. Really busy hour to come. Lets catch busy hour to come. Lets catch up on emails. Busy hour to come. Lets catch up on emails. By the way, what about this suggestion that shoplifters should be tagged . Shoplifters should be tagged . Mick says, hello, mark. I think shoplifters should be dyed a bnght shoplifters should be dyed a bright orange or pink as bright yellow orange or pink as well as having tags fitted. Blimey, thats pretty spicy stuff, tony says. Were talking stuff, tony says. Were talking about sober october. Tony says about sober october. Tony says mark is someone with liver cancer awaiting a transplant. Ive not had a pint for three years now. Id pint. Years now. Id love a pint. Tony, listen, im really sorry to hear that youve been poorly. I speedy recovery. I wish you a speedy recovery. I want all my viewers and listeners to be in optimum health. It is 10 00 on television, on radio, and online in the United Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight it in my take a ten. Looking fonnard to this. The halo slipped for saint david halo has slipped for saint David Beckham an alleged ex lover beckham as an alleged ex lover speaks out. Its time for goldenballs to spill the beans about his activities on and off the pitch. If the tories do the pitch. If the tories do collapse at the next election, is nigel farage the man to lead them back to victory . Ill be asking politics legend Ann Widdecombe , who joins us live in widdecombe, who joins us live in the studio. Plus, tomorrows the studio. Plus, tomorrows newspaper, front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits. So a packed show, top pundits. So a packed show, lots to get through. I will be lots to get through. I will be deaung lots to get through. I will be dealing with David Beckham in just two minutes. You wont want to miss it. First, heres the news. And a good friend of mine, lisa hartle. Good evening. Lisa hartle. Good evening. Im lisa hartle. Here are the latest headlines. The united nafions latest headlines. The United Nations says a second convoy of 14 trucks carrying humanitarian aid has now entered into gaza. Aid has now entered into gaza. The earlier they had to abort the delivery across the rafah crossing with witnesses saying they heard a blast nearby yesterday. The first 20 aid trucks were able to deliver suppues trucks were able to deliver supplies into the strip when the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The Uns Humanitarian Affairs chief, Martin Griffiths, has labelled the delivery a small glimmer of hope for the millions of people in dire need of aid. Hope for the millions of people in dire need of aid. It comes as in dire need of aid. It comes as gaza faces a fresh wave of airstrike attacks. A number of explosions have been seen after israel issued a warning to residents to leave the area. The residents to leave the area. The leaflets were dropped in the north of the strip, saying if they stayed , they may be they stayed, they may be identified terrorist identified as terrorist sympathisers. Officials say more than 4600 people have been killed in gaza since the incursion. Earlier, prime incursion. Earlier, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. In london, around 20,000 people have attended an israel solidarity rally in trafalgar square. The bring them home protest called for the release of all hostages being held by hamas. The Israel Defence forces say 218 people are being detained in gaza after two people were arrested for allegedly shouting abuse at the vigil. It comes after days of vigil. It comes after days of pro palestinian protests in cities across the country. In cities across the country. In other news, the Environment Agency says 1250 properties have been flooded in the in the wake of storm babet, the agency is responding to flooding in derbyshire and nottinghamshire, where some rivers have reached record levels. Severe flood record levels. Severe flood warnings have now been lifted on the river dennent and the river idle. But the river dennent and the river idle. But more flooding is possible for parts of england until wednesday due to further rain. Four people have died dunng rain. Four people have died during the storm. Manchester united has opened a book of condolence at old trafford following the death of sir Bobby Charlton. The legendary charlton. The legendary footballer was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team. In 1966, floral tributes and football shirts have been placed outside the Manchester United stadium with his former club , stadium with his former club, saying hell always be remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb news across remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb news across the game. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now its back to. Mark my thanks to lisa back to. Mark my thanks to lisa hartle who returns in an hours time. Welcome to mark dolan tonight. Busy hour to come. If the tories do collapse at the next election , is nigel farage the election, is nigel farage the man to lead them back to victory . Ill be asking politics legend Ann Widdecombe, who for one night only is live in the studio. Plus tomorrows studio. Plus tomorrows newspaper. Front pages and live reaction from my top pundits this evening. Speaker coach and social commentator adrian hayes, author and journalist Hilary Freeman, and former conservative mp and now farmer neil parish. Mp and now farmer neil parish. Theyll be nominating their headune theyll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zero of the day. So a packed hour and those papers are coming. Plus, Ann Widdecombe live in the studio. First, my take. At the studio. First, my take. At ten. So much for national treasure. Former footie ace David Beckham has been the subject of a four hour corporate video sorry documentary about his life. This snoozefest harder to watch than the current Man United Team under ten hag has all the journalist integrity of all the journalist integrity of a cosy and cosy is the word as it paints a picture of this loving family man. His it paints a picture of this loving family man. His perfect loving family man. His perfect marriage to his perfect wife, raising perfect kids as he tends to his perfect hair, perfect beard and perfect portfolio of corporate clients as hes put his name to an aftershave, sunglasses and even haig whisky a bottle of which is the only thing that got me through this tv. Borthen, please drink responsibly. Look beckham was a wonderful footballer. He does a wonderful footballer. He does a huge amount for charity and he largely stays out of politics. Yes. Yes. His support for gay rights whilst being the face of the qatar world cup, where being homosex ual is punishable by jail or death is quite the flex. But i dont think beckham is guilty of excessive virtue signalling. Gary lineker. He signalling. Gary lineker. He aint. Plus, controversially as aint. Plus, controversially as aint. Plus, controversially as a global ambassador for and someone that was instrumental in englands football success over the years. I actually think he should have a knighthood. But then i specialise in unpopular opinions as so beckhams report card is not at all bad. Hes a highly impressive human being and i wish his lovely wife and kids all the very best. As a former spice girl and now successful Fashion Designer , successful Fashion Designer, victoria has achieved huge things. They are a power couple, but the elephant in the room is a young woman called rebecca loos , sent over to real madrid loos, sent over to real madrid as beckhams personal assistant when he was playing there. Now these are just allegations at these are just allegations at the moment. It cannot be proven, but it suggested that she assisted him in more ways than one. Have kept a dignified silence for many years. Loos now living in nonnay with her own family , has spoken out the dutch family, has spoken out the dutch beauty, who at the age of 46, would probably still win a place on beckhams bench , says the on beckhams bench, says the star is portraying himself as the victim. In an exclusive, she the victim. In an exclusive, she told the mail newspaper that David Beckhams feeling sorry for himself and playing the poor me card ex explaining why shes spoken out. She said, if i stay silent, ill be known as the liar, the one who made up the stories. Beckham is indirectly stories. Beckham is indirectly suggesting. She says that shes the one who made victoria to suffer. But she argues he is the one who caused the suffering most, she said, i think its one thing to keep your private life to yourself. Its another thing to yourself. Its another thing to mislead the public. Ouch now i think its time for David Beckham to do the honourable thing stand up and deal with these allegations rather than gaslighting this woman who has paid an enormous price for this claimed affair following their alleged dalliance , she tells the alleged dalliance, she tells the paper that she felt completely isolated having to take on the most powerful couple in the world with no financial or moral support. It was like 11 players on the pitch versus one. Things got so hard for her that after the alleged affair , she turned the alleged affair, she turned to reality tv for money. Her most memorable moments being the extraction of semen from a pig on a channel five show called the farm bringing hairy creatures to climax is clearly something for which she has a gift, but she deserves closure. She deserves the truth. Its time for goldenballs to spill the beans. Just like that. Okay, the beans. Just like that. Okay, lets get reaction from my top pundits. Im delighted to have speaken pundits. Im delighted to have speaker, coach and social commentator adrian hayes, author and journalist Hilary Freeman, and journalist Hilary Freeman, and former conservative mp and farmer neil parish. Neil, you know a thing about getting semen out of livestock. Your reaction to this story . Yeah, i mean, i think probably its best for beckham now to come clean over it. I now to come clean over it. I think, you know, its a very difficult matter. Its very difficult matter. Its very difficult for both families really now. But i think once the really now. But i think once the publicity is out there, i think people will keep on and on and on until they get the truth. And i think it would be best basically for him to say what happened. I basically for him to say what happened. Ii basically for him to say what happened. I i suspect he believes it was very much a mistake. But, you know, he must must come and actually tell, i think, because othennise , as think, because othennise, as things will go on and on and speculate , sharon will carry on. Speculate, sharon will carry on. And it does take two to tango. So i suspect it was a two way street. So i think he does need to own up to it. These are just now, hilary, these are just allegations moment, allegations at the moment, but youre a broadcaster, a journalist and an aunt. Journalist and an agony aunt. How handle this how would you handle this situation . Well , i mean, situation . Well, i mean, i situation . Well , i mean, i feel very well, i mean, i feel very sorry for rebecca lewis. And i did time. I sorry for rebecca lewis. And i did time. I remember did at the time. I remember the coverage way back when this was this happened or was alleged to have happened. She was treated have happened. She was treated appallingly in the press. She was, you know , really demonised was, you know, really demonised and her reputation was completely destroyed, really. And beckham sort of managed to keep his reputation and, you know, brand beckham wasnt really damaged. And i also heard really damaged. And i also heard that she only knew about this , that she only knew about this, you know, about the documentary mentioning the allegations about the affair with her when she saw it. You know, she she got messages on social media about it and more abuse. I think that was very wrong. I think somebody was very wrong. I think somebody should be should have been in touch with her beforehand to tell her that this was going to be on the documentary and perhaps been perhaps it shouldnt have been mentioned the mentioned at all in the documentary. But since it was then, should have then, i think it should have been properly. You know, been tackled properly. You know, its a long time now. The its been a long time now. The beckhams have together as beckhams have stayed together as people affairs. People people do, have affairs. People do make mistakes. And it is really important that when they do come out into the open, that its discussed. Think that mr beckham do you think that mr beckham should address these allegations, adrian , ive got no allegations, adrian, ive got no strong feelings on this, mark. Actually , apart from i dont actually, apart from i dont think he should get knighthood. I dont think any sportsman should get knighthood. Should get a knighthood. But look , the one sort of comparison look, the one sort of comparison , if you know this, this right to privacy and thats thats fine. But when you stand on a pubuc fine. But when you stand on a public stage, you are there to be judged. If you put yourself as holier than thou , youre as holier than thou, youre there to be taken down. And i always had a Great Respect for the for the late shane warne. He admitted he was a rogue. He admitted he was a rogue. He admitted he was a rogue. He admitted he had affairs left, right and centre and everyone loved him for it because he was honest but think honest about it. But i think if youre paint cosy youre trying to paint this cosy picture documentary , i picture as the documentary, i havent because i havent seen it because i havent seen it because i havent hours watch havent got four hours to watch this either, this documentary either, but i do know what its been said. It skirts air affair in skirts around the air affair in a me no, a very poor me way. But no, lets not lets stop the victimhood on all sides. Just just own up to it and just get over it. Over it. Okay . Well, look, fascinates debate rages. Let me know your debate rages. Let me know your thoughts. Mark at gbnews. Com weve got tomorrows papers. Dont forget at 1030 sharp but next up very excited about this what a debate if the tories are eviscerated at the next election, if they collapse, if they have an existential moment. They have an existential moment. Is nigel farage, the man to lead them back to victory . Ill be asking politics legend Ann Widdecombe, who , let me tell widdecombe, who, let me tell you, is live in the studio. Shes next. You wont want to miss that. Plus, the papers are listening to gb news radio. Now well get to your emails shortly, but its time for the newsmaker, a very special newsmaker, a very special newsmaker this evening. Earlier this week, in a bombshell interview, gb news star nigel farage told the Politics Home website, id be very surprised if i were not conservative leader by 2026. Very surprised, he added. At the time, he said he added. At the time, he said he was perfectly serious about aiming for the tory leadership , aiming for the tory leadership, but later he said he made the remark in jest. However, nigel was a prominent fixture at the tory Party Conference in manchester this month, his first appearance since i understand the 80s. So if the tories do collapse at the next election is nigel farage the man to save the movement . And do the conservatives now face an existential threat in a years time . Years time . Well with me in the studio to debate this is the jewel in the crown of mark dolan tonight, the wonderful Ann Widdecombe. And can just say widdecombe. And can i just say how is to see you how wonderful it is to see you in flesh . In the flesh . No, its great to be here. No, its great to be here. Here for yeah, and youre here for a memorial you enjoy memorial tomorrow. Do you enjoy coming into london . To london. I do enjoy coming to london. I do enjoy coming to london. Long as its only i do enjoy coming to london. Once. Ong as its only i do enjoy coming to london. Once a1g as its only i do enjoy coming to london. Once a fortnight. nly i do enjoy coming to london. Once a fortnight. Yeah. About once a fortnight. Yeah. And memories time in and memories of your time in the commons. And memories of your time in the memories. Is. Very happy memories. Oh, very happy memories. In yes, indeed. Ill be in the house commons house of commons tomorrow because what im up here for is the unveiling plaque the unveiling of the plaque to david who was the mp who david amess, who was the mp who was murdered by terrorist. Was murdered by a terrorist. Yeah,. Yeah, indeed. So. And actually, youve used the word terrorist at your reflections what happened on reflections on what happened on the 7th of october in israel. The 7th of october in israel. Well, it was a terrorist attack. There is no other word for it. It was unprovoked. It was aimed very specifically at civilians and at the weakest sort of civilians , babies, old sort of civilians, babies, old folk. Folk. It cant go on, answered. And it cant go on, answered. And thatis it cant go on, answered. And that is what i say. You know, whatever israel does, this cannot go on. Answered. And the other thing is to accept that in war, i mean, think of dresden, i think of hiroshima, and they were deliberate. That wasnt a in a mistake on one side or the other. And a misfire. They were quite deliberate. Quite deliberate. There are churchill decided to flatten dresden. He decided to flatten dresden and he flattened dresden or Bomber Harris flattened dresden. Bomber harris flattened dresden. But the point im making is this. You always get sadly and it is sad. You always get civilian casualties in war. There are going to be civilian casualties in this war, but it is a just war indeed. Is a just war indeed. Are there parallels with the troubles in Northern Ireland . Clearly not the scale. But you were in the house of commons when terrorism was a daily when ira terrorism was a daily issue in this country. And of course, the bomb the brighton bomb in 1983, 83, i missed the brighton bomb. By by 20 minutes. Brighton bomb. By by 20 minutes. I missed the harrods bomb by three quarters of an hour. It was a daily hazard. If you were in the capital, it was a daily hazard. If you were involved in politics, people were checking under cars. Was daily under their cars. It was a daily hustle. Check hustle. Yeah, i didnt check under my car. But under my cars, but my car. But i was supposed to. But of course , was supposed to. But of course, ian gow didnt check under his car and he was blown up by the ira shortly before i fought my very first ever parliamentary campaign, airey neave was blown up campaign, airey neave was blown p by campaign, airey neave was blown up by the ira. It was , if you up by the ira. It was, if you like, an occupational hazard of being a politician. So yes, it being a politician. So yes, it was very grim , but not on this was very grim, but not on this scale. I mean, they they killed scale. I mean, they they killed children and they they killed. Children and they they killed. Old folk. They killed horses for that matter. But but not on quite the scale. Quite the scale. Indeed, in the aftermath of the 7th of october, which, as you rightly say, was a terrorist terror attack, people were waving palestinian flags. Now ive got no problem with palestinians wanting to improve their lot possible to state solution, all the rest of it. It solution, all the rest of it. It could be that israel has a case to answer for its behaviour in the middle east, but this was very inappropriate timing. Mean what do you think . For example, yesterday of yesterday on the streets of london, crowds chanting for a jihad, which is a holy war in the United Kingdom , in london, the United Kingdom, in london, it is not something that should be overlooked. Be overlooked. It should be very carefully policed. But i hope that it was policed. But i hope that it was being noted by the Intelligence Services was there because services who was there because is that is that is actually glorifying terrorism in the uk. Now some of those people will have been born here. Some will have been born here. Some will have come here as first generation immigrants. But generation immigrants. But whatever whatever the case, the uk is where they are and its the uks values which must prevail and the uks values do not include jihad. Not include jihad. Nigel farage said. He pointed nigel farage said. He pointed out that the fact that that was being chanted yesterday and he said this country is serious said this country is in serious trouble. Right . Oh i think trouble. Is he right . Oh i think hes right because, i mean, i think were in serious trouble on sorts fronts. On all sorts of fronts. This was i mean, the and this was i mean, the hamas attack on israel was was a massive failure of intelligence. Massive failure of intelligence. But like 9 11 was in afghanistan , in new york. So i we do need to be very, very alert. I mean , to be very, very alert. I mean, the threat is there. Indeed. Indeed well, ive mentioned nigel, lets lets talk now about british politics and the conservatives and the right of politics in this country. How badly could the country. How badly could the tories perform next year . Whats the worst Case Scenario . The worst Case Scenario . Do you think they could perform very badly indeed. I dont know. I mean, i think its exaggerating it to see to say that what happened in canada a few years ago could be replicated and that theyd be down to a couple of mps. Replicated and that theyd be down to a couple of mps. I dont think that is at all likely , but think that is at all likely, but they be very severely they can be very severely thrashed at polls unless thrashed at the polls and unless they come up with something between now and then, theyre going to be. Thats not going to happen, though, is it . I mean, rishi sunak out his rishi sunak sunak got out his rishi sunak and jeremy hunt between them. Can not understand what is happening. They are focussed on the figures. They are terrified the figures. They are terrified of spending an extra pound here, an extra pound there. You know, theyd let schools fall apart before they actually got round to spending the money. And that is what theyre focussed on. The bigger vision is not there in my column on wednesday, very distinguished, very good column in the express , every wednesday. In the express, every wednesday. Always readable. Correct always readable. Correct always readable in that column. I have said that what rishi sunak and indeed jeremy hunt both lack is fire in their belly. Theyve got no vision. Theyve got no ambition for britain. Britain. Okay, well, lets talk okay, well, look, lets talk about what happens after the election. Theyre likely lose about what happens after the eliftion. Theyre likely lose about what happens after the elif theyre eyre likely lose about what happens after the elif theyre eviscerated lose about what happens after the elif theyre eviscerated , lose about what happens after the elif theyre eviscerated , they it if theyre eviscerated, they will need a game changer, wont they . Cant anyone they . I cant see anyone currently in the party on those back benches who would move the dial or anyone in the shadow cabinet. To be honest with cabinet. To be quite honest with you. The Game Changing you. So could the Game Changing figure be nigel farage all i can say is when people ask me , could say is when people ask me, could farage lead the tories . Is they should be so lucky. Is they should be so lucky. They should be so lucky as to have nigel farage no , i believe have nigel farage no, i believe him when he said he made the comment in jest too much has been made of the fact that he was at Party Conference and he was at Party Conference and he was there dashed on press pass was there dashed on a press pass from most distinguished from this most distinguished news station. Know, thats news station. You know, thats why he was there. People from the guardian were there. You know, doesnt mean that theyre sympathetic to the tories. Theyve got a professional job to do. Well, lets talk about the party and party that you now support and its uk. You spoke its reform uk. You spoke brilliantly at their conference a couple of weekends ago. They a couple of weekends ago. They didnt get many votes last week, but those votes were significant. Arent likely depriving the tories of their both of those seats in two by elections. Well i mean the fact is that in both by elections reform uk got more votes than the conservatives lost to labour by right. You know that is just a fact of life quite significant influential impact. Are you concerned that that could happen on a National Scale . Because you want scale . Because i know you want reform do well, but you reform uk to do well, but you also a labour also dont want a Labour Government, so youre betwixt and between , arent you . And between, arent you . Frankly, weve a labour frankly, weve got a Labour Government know, we government now, you know, we have two parties in this country, and the country, one is pink and the other pink. There isnt other is pale pink. There isnt actually flamingo isnt rose, there isnt actually a conservative party in this country. And when people say to me , your caused the me, your caused the conservatives to lose, i say what conservatives . I mean, this what conservatives . I mean, this is a conservative government weve got record levels of taxation, record levels of crime and disorder , record levels of and disorder, record levels of immigration. And this is a conservative government and im supposed to be worried about getting them out. Now, i do get a lot of emails from viewers who admire richard tice. They all admire you. By the that. And lots the way, i doubt that. And lots of who are politically of people who are politically homeless voting homeless say that ill be voting reform uk and could be reform uk and that could be quite large constituency. What quite a large constituency. What is the Long Term Plan for the party . Is reform uk seeking to replace the conservatives as the main party of the right . Or are they looking for proportion representation . Representation . The party has a policy of proportional representation. Its no great secret that i dont share that, but i share believe in strong government, dont you . I believe in first past because the litmus past the post because the litmus test of any democracy is the litmus test. Can you dismiss an unsatisfactory government . And unsatisfactory government . And most systems of proportional representation throw up coalitions. Now you try sacking coalitions. Now you try sacking a coalition. It just breaks up and reforms. And reforms. We also dont have a great track record with hung parliaments and coalition government. Government. And no, i mean, think of the, you know, the conservative and you know, the conservative and you know, the conservative and you know, Lib Dem Coalition that cameron was so proud of. Now, actually, i think they were right to go into coalition because although we forget now the country was in the most terrible state economically , i terrible state economically, i dont think the markets would have stood it if there had been another six months of going nowhere. And then another general election. So i think they were right to go into coalition. They didnt do coalition. But they didnt do anything wonderful with it. Anything wonderful with it. What do you anticipate will happen under a Labour Government . I mean, ive been asking a few days now. Asking this for a few days now. Could there something could there be something refreshing about a change in at the top, something cleansing perhaps for the country . Perhaps for the country . No. If youre looking for catharsis , no. If youre looking catharsis, no. If youre looking for catharsis , this or if youre for catharsis, this or if youre looking to be refreshed, i wouldnt be looking at keir starmer , who is about the starmer, who is about the stalest mortal around. He is. He also. I mean, hes got no also. I mean, hes got no vision. He changes his mind every two seconds and really does change his mind on just about every important announcement he makes. So you dont know where hes going either. I mean , the quality of either. I mean, the quality of our politicians at the moment is abysmal right across the house and in both houses for that matter. And the lords as well. What do you put that down to . I would have thought you i mean, i would have thought you would david would blame perhaps David Cameron tory for cameron in the tory party for some to some of the changes he made to how candidates are selected to run for parliament. I think both the labour party who wasnt it, who implemented box ticking, who implemented all women shortlists and the conservative party who had the a list and a rule that you had to have equal numbers of men and women the shortlists. They women on the shortlists. They were identity before were putting identity before merit. I mean, as far as im concerned, i dont care whether an mp is black, white, gay, straight, male, female, old, young. Straight, male, female, old, young. As long as that mp has young. As long as that mp has real serious merit, they dont. Now, the problem when you come on is that my view is they just lament the fact that this is what missing, right . Is what theyre missing, right . When you speak about politics, its of bulls its like an episode of bulls eye. Look at eye. Come on, have a look at what you could have won. But youre of politics now. Youre out of politics now. Youre government, youre out of government, but you a contribution in you make a huge contribution in to across gb to this program and across gb news as well. And news and elsewhere as well. And youre highlight when youre really the highlight when we the show. Youre we have you on the show. Youre not just great commentator, not just a great commentator, a great friend as well. Enjoying this. Im enjoying all this. Im enjoying all this. There keep well, there you go. Keep going. Say going. Keep going. You can say what cant you . What you think, cant you . All i can do that. All i can do that. She wont be cancelled. Not all i can do that. My wont be cancelled. Not all i can do that. My watch. Be cancelled. Not all i can do that. My watch. Well, ncelled. Not all i can do that. My watch. Well, listen,i. Not all i can do that. My watch. Well, listen, annt on my watch. Well, listen, ann will by will be interested by the results poll. If the results of our text poll. If the tories at the next tories collapse at the next election, man election, is farage the man to bnng election, is farage the man to bring to victory . Bring them back to victory . Well, 65. 4 say yes, whilst 34. 6 say no. I think thats a referendum not on nigel, but on the brand of the conservative party that even nigel cant save them. For many of you, thanks to ann who returned in a weeks time down the line from devon. But coming up next, tomorrows papers and my pundits dont papers and my top pundits dont go. News radio. Well, its 1030, so its time for tomorrows papers. Front for tomorrows papers. Front page for tomorrows papers. Front page of the metro hamas blitzed israel steps up airstrikes on gaza. Ahead of a land invasion met warns winter is coming. Grit and bear it, they say storm babet began its slow retreat from britain tonight with nine people feared dead in its destructive wake. But even as the torrential rainfall and winds that lashed the country for days abated , a cold snap for days abated, a cold snap looked set to bite, met Office Forecasters issued a yellow be aware weather warning for ice in mainland scotland and parts of northern england. So there you northern england. So there you go. Do be careful out there and make sure that youve got your winter tires and all the rest of it. The guardian now pressure intensifies on israel to negotiate release of gaza hostages as tory donors could. Hostages as tory donors could. Face £500 million hmrc bill and fans pay respects to legend sir Bobby Charlton , the i newspaper Bobby Charlton, the i newspaper home office in turmoil over absurd rwanda plan. The governments plan to deport small boat migrants to rwanda is falling apart and is a, quote, stupid law. According to suella own officials , as Civil Servants own officials, as Civil Servants say, absurd scheme might well not materialise. And describe not materialise. And describe chaos in the home office as officials rush to meet a january deadune. Officials rush to meet a january deadline. Daily mirror officials rush to meet a january deadline. Daily mirror flood deadline. Daily mirror flood hell as thousands evacuate voted in york gaza invasion excuse me gaza invasion edges closer say the mirror and families pride and tears heartbroken tommy charleton says bobby and jack will be together again in a moving tribute. Brothers forever. Daily mail home secretary to confront police chief after his officers are accused of doing nothing as anti israel protesters incite terror. Suella is fury at mets over jihad chants. Also, harry, the petrol head prince of the grand prix , head prince of the grand prix, the times tories stop using hotels in election battleground for migrants. The government is to end the use of 100 Migrant Hotels as rishi sunak seeks to turn around his partys fortunes with a series of announcements on immigration contracts will be terminated with hotels in a host of areas that will be key election battleground seats. A conservative party strategists hope that the move will address anger over the small boats crisis, which is regarded as one of the most visible signs of the governments failure to tackle illegal immigration. Biggest boost for Cervical Cancer care in 20 years. Scientists have made the biggest advance in Cervical Cancer treatment for two decades, which could save the lives of hundreds of young women. Isnt that wonderful news . Also, braverman takes on met chief over jihad protest is the other story. More papers to come courtesy of tara by the way. Well done to the team this weekend. Mezhgan tara maria running the show. Weve had quite a tight small team today, but its about quality, not quantity, isnt it . Josh smashing it in the gallery. So there you go. Look, tell you there you go. Look, tell you whos pundits. Whos smashing it. My pundits. Tonight welcome tonight im delighted to welcome back adrian hayes , hilary back adrian hayes, Hilary Freeman, and neil parish. Okay, freeman, and neil parish. Okay, folks, lets get to some of these stories. Lots to sink our teeth into. And how about this, teeth into. And how about this, neil . Home office in turmoil over what they call an absurd plan to send Illegal Migrants to rwanda. Is this story and indeed this policy dead on arrival . Well, i mean, that depends on the court case, doesnt it . And what actually happens . Is it 60 chance of failure or Something Like that . Read today . Today . I mean, i think the issue naturally for its very naturally for me is its very much deterrent , really, much about a deterrent, really, and and stop people and to try and stop people actually coming there. Its actually coming there. Its always been complicated sending. Always been complicated sending. People to rwanda. I think the problem the governments going to in the home office is to have in the home office is going to have is, of course, if they its very they cant do that, its very much of their much a real plank of their policy. Therefore , i think, policy. So therefore, i think, you back the you know, getting back to the basics actually stopping, basics of actually stopping, trying get more done in trying to get more done in france more stopping turkey, france and more stopping turkey, sending boats or the gangs getting boats from turkey, all of these things have to be reacted to. So im afraid in a way weve probably the party is probably put too much emphasis on its rwanda policy , and i on its rwanda policy, and i think that will be its problem for unwinds. But it may still go through, but it is always going to be complicated and always going be difficult to deliver. The tories are betting the house on the rwanda plan, arent they . Thats its totemic they . Thats it. Its a totemic issue now for the party and i think its because its become such , you know, such a major issue, you know, across the political world really. And people are, you know, are very concerned about the migrants coming across. And you see last thing we want to do see the last thing we want to do is people actually take that risk the channel. Risk of crossing the channel. And , thats and so therefore, thats why i preferred as a deterrent. But preferred it as a deterrent. But i think the trouble is im not sure be able deliver. It. Is the is the Court Verdict going to become a political issueif going to become a political issue if it is rejected . Could the Prime Minister go over the heads of judges . I mean, whats is there any way around this sort of enemies of the people type moment . Yeah, i mean, i think that would be a dangerous position. Im not saying it couldnt be done. I im not saying it couldnt be done. I think you know, it will be questioned. Its how far do be questioned. Its how far do you take it . I dont like the courts in deferring. But of course, in the end, we do have a rule of law to uphold. So i think this is going to be a fascinating one. Lets wait and see, i think, to see whether the verdict is that. Can we extradite rwanda . But its always been fraught with difficulty. I rather fear it difficulty. I rather fear it will end up being fairly disastrous as well. Yeah. Hilary, what do you think about the rwanda plan . I think the whole thing was real. Its just a ridiculous idea. From the beginning, you know, its shipping our problem off to rwanda. Its just not how off to rwanda. Its just not how we deal with it. We shouldnt we deal with it. We shouldnt this is not an answer. Its not this is not an answer. Its not fair. Its its it. Sorry im not being very articulate here, but i just. I just. I just found ijust but i just. I just. I just found i just found the whole idea of it just wrong in every aspect from the start. You know, our our immigration problem is not something that we should be shipping off to rwanda , which shipping off to rwanda, which has absolutely to do has absolutely nothing to do with with us. You know , and its with with us. You know, and its not fair to the people that have come. I mean, i dont think anyone believes that tens or hundreds of thousands of people will flown to off rwanda. Will be flown to off rwanda. You not accept the do you not accept the argument it is a argument that it is a disincentive live that actually when those flights start going, that thats the point where the people smugglers no longer have a Business Model . A Business Model . Well, i dont think that is the for case the genuine Asylum Seekers , for the genuine seekers, for the genuine refugees. You are that refugees. If you are that desperate get out the desperate to get out of the place youre in, that will place that youre in, that will not deter you. You still not deter you. You will still take the chance. Take the chance. Many of them are but how many of them are genuine seekers . This genuine Asylum Seekers . This is the them are the problem. Most of them are economic that is, how economic migrants that is, how can you how can you say that . Can you know . I mean, how can you know . I mean, how can you know . Look , people there well, look, the people there arent too many women and children for a start. No. £5,000, basically what theyre theyre paying to get across the channel. Look, weve got to stop the Business Case. And im looking for leadership ship from this government to whatever it is. Is. I wouldnt hold my breath if i were you. Summit with macron. Go have a summit with macron. Go push boat. You go and stop. Push the boat. You havent even. Go and stop. Push the boat. You havent havent even listen. You you havent even listen. You havent neil in havent even got neil parish in the its game over. The commons. Now its game over. Youve got to put the Business Case to bed and say it requires Firm Leadership and we havent yet seen that at all. Well, indeed. I mean, you might not want to enter the country illegally, pay £5,000 for fear that you will be flown country illegally, pay £5,000 foerandait you will be flown country illegally, pay £5,000 foeranda. You will be flown to rwanda. Yeah. Or we all fear you. But the boats will be turned back or whatever other solution weve got. Put the in, to got. Put the warning in, say to france, unless you stop it now, were going to turn the boats back whatever were going back or whatever way were going to will this go back to will this issue go back to your military . Your experience in the military . Will resolved will this issue ever be resolved . We ever stop the boats . . Will we ever stop the boats . Yes. If we had come ridge and its one of the great Leadership Qualities that many Leadership Qualities that many Leadership Qualities , but courage is the qualities, but courage is the one that has been lacking in all politicians. Neil will we ever stop the boat . Mean, boats have i mean, the boats have slowed, they . But they slowed, havent they . But they are 20 roughly. Of are 20 down roughly. And of course , what weve got to course, what weve got to remember theres still remember is that theres still a huge amount of illegal immigration anyway. And so immigration anyway. And so i think sometimes we get mixed up with both. So lets deal with both sides of it. And then i think youll find the public may have more come confidence in a government that can do something about it. But i think its to going be very difficult to stop it completely. I want to talk about the local pharmacy in a minute if we can, it might have an can, because it might have an Important Role to the nhs. Important role to help the nhs. But look at this but can we have a look at this story mail . And hillary, story in the mail . And hillary, its about the pro palestinian march in the capital this weekend. Suella fury at met over weekend. Suella fury at met over jihad chants Suella Braverman will tomorrow demand an explanation from police after they stood by as pro palestinian demonstrators called for a jihad against israel. Now why is that so concerning . Because jews in london are actually scared. For the first time in our lives , we are scared time in our lives, we are scared to show that we are jewish in our city, in in our country. To show that we are jewish in our city, in in our country. And our city, in in our country. And this, you know , the police said this, you know, the police said that they would properly be look after this protest and make sure that there was no danger to anyone that that people werent allowed to have isis flags or shout terrorists or shout hamas slogans or support hamas openly because it is a terrorist organisation. And none of that organisation. And none of that happened. And i was on twitter yesterday and i saw a picture after picture of people with the most anti Semitic Posters and slogans and people clearly shouting in arabic , things like shouting in arabic, things like kill the jews. I mean, all this kill the jews. I mean, all this stuff, which is absolutely illegal, aside from anything else. Yeah. And the police the police were writing arguments about semantics or were not sure what exactly what they said, but were sure we dont. Were getting someone to look at it. I mean, and we made two arrests. So its terrifying. And i was at the protest this afternoon in trafalgar square. The vigil , which is to get the the vigil, which is to get the kidnapped back. Yes, it kidnapped people back. Yes, it was to the was it was to support the hostages very moving. Hostages and it was very moving. Speaker us who had family, who had who were kidnapped or had been who were kidnapped or whod yeah, it was had been who were kidnapped or whc most yeah, it was had been who were kidnapped or whc most peaceful, yeah, it was had been who were kidnapped or whc most peaceful, calm it was the most peaceful, calm atmosphere here. It was lovely. There was nobody shouting anything, no hatred , you know, anything, no hatred, you know, and people just want peace and. Yeah. So i think, yeah, theyre right. Suella braverman is right right. Suella braverman is right to do something about it. I think in defence ive been very critical met police, you know, the setting seven policemen to a 16 Year Old Girl who called a Police Officer a lesbian, for instance. I mean lesbian, for instance. I mean the overreaction in certain cases , the huge clampdowns on cases, the huge clampdowns on lockdown marches, the standing back on blm marches, the standing back on on on this march extinction rebellion, doing dancing. Of course. March extinction rebellion, doing dancing. Of course. And doing dancing. Of course. And theres this inconsistency like a cup of tea. Are you okay . Do you want sandwich . Its crazy. In their defence, i can see theyre trying to not provoke, provoke. I think vera baird. But its just the inconsistency that bugs me. Again, just make a rule. But i am as a free speech advocate of course, you know there is a fine line. What is free speech . The right to protest . Some politicians be saying this protest should have been banned. You where where where do you know where where where do you where do you draw the line . Its a very difficult one. I mean, hamas wants but i mean, look, hamas wants to wipe israel off face of to wipe israel off the face of the map. You know, we just cannot allow this to be chanted in our own country and bring about whole, you know, holy about a whole, you know, a holy war against mean, the war against israel. I mean, the jews have been persecuted for hundreds of years. This a hundreds of years. This is a country where thousands of years this is where a country where they expect to be safe. So they expect to be safe. And so therefore , we do have to react therefore, we do have to react to this strongly. And accept to this strongly. And i accept the often try a sort the police very often try a sort of softly, softly tactic. But i of softly, softly tactic. But i think in this case, we cant have it because you cant actually have have a i mean, if you turn around and say that the Jewish Population were marching you turn around and say that the jewish plondonyn were marching you turn around and say that the jewish plondon saying marching you turn around and say that the jewish plondon saying ,narching you turn around and say that the jewish plondon saying, you hing you turn around and say that the jewish plondon saying , you know, through london saying, you know, saudi arabia or whoever should be wiped off the face of the earth, which would would the police react then . I mean, what when are they going to react . And like i said, ive got a lot of time for the police, but i think there is time to stood. Think there is time to be stood. And this is not you cannot let these chants go on. And i think, to be honest with you, they need to be honest with you, they need to have people there who know arabic , who who can actually arabic, who who can actually translate when these things are going on, not just hide behind the fact they didnt understand what people were saying, because i think thats pretty weak. Unfortunately, i think weve discovered in the last couple of weeks just how big the problem is this country. Weeks just how big the problem is yeah, country. Weeks just how big the problem is yeah, look, ry. Weeks just how big the problem is yeah, look, lets talk about yeah, look, lets talk about issues affect everybody. We issues that affect everybody. We you know, you, me , your parents, you know, you, me, your parents, your grandparents, the nhs has been under immense pressure in recent years. Waiting lists are at a record high. I think 7. 6 million and counting. And nhs workers have been on strike beanng workers have been on strike bearing this in mind, does the nhs future rely on local pharmacy . His taking some of the pharmacy . His taking some of the burden. Thats a story in one of the papers today. The idea that your pharmacists could perhaps prescribe simple medical action and just do more of the diagnostic and med location work that your gp does. What do we that your gp does. What do we think about this . A boosted role for your pharmacy . What do you think . Adrian, i appreciate think . Adrian, i appreciate that. Rather than having to beg , that. Rather than having to beg, borrow and steal to get a gp appointment, well just pop down borrow and steal to get a gp ap boots1ent, well just pop down borrow and steal to get a gp ap boots out, well just pop down borrow and steal to get a gp ap boots or lloyds just pop down borrow and steal to get a gp ap boots or lloyds pharmaconwn borrow and steal to get a gp ap boots or lloyds pharmacy. Nwn to boots or lloyds pharmacy. Ive found pharmacists ive always found pharmacists around the world very, very knowledgeable and i think they should to prescribe should be empowered to prescribe simple medicines. I mean, weve simple medicines. I mean, weve got weve paracetamol, you got weve got paracetamol, you can over the counter, can get over the counter, weve got that you got certain medicines that you cant need prescriptions. So cant you need prescriptions. So i help i think, yes, it will help matters are given some powers. Well, i think so, because, i mean, hillary, for you mean, hillary, for example, you could go into the pharmacists and youve got a touch of psoriasis or not. You, by the way, your skins perfect. Youve way, your skins perfect. Youve made me, i dont know, shingles or something or perhaps tonsillitis. You dont wanna go to the doctor, youve got shingles, you give everybody well, give it to everybody else. Well, there you go. The line is but but the bottom line is that much that a that theres so much that a pharmacist could they pharmacist could do that they currently absolutely. In yeah, absolutely. I think in some countries they can prescribe antibiotic. Yeah, you prescribe antibiotic. Yeah, you know, i know that there are some contraceptives they do now contraceptives that they do now morning those are morning after pill those are things that used to be only from the gp you now get would the gp and you can now get would you , would allow you go further, would you allow pharmacists to be more like doctors only are doctors . Because not only are they knowledgeable , but also they knowledgeable, but also they knowledgeable, but also they community. So they know their community. So for a lot of people , especially for a lot of people, especially old you know, they old people, they, you know, they make visits they make home visits and they deliver care. They know the community and they can actually get know the patients in a get to know the patients in a way that nowadays with gps is so impossible appointment impossible to get an appointment with your gp and they dont with your own gp and they dont have visits i have home visits anymore. I think that theres definitely a role for them. Lots of my well, i know lots of my viewers love viewers and listeners, they love their and they do viewers and listeners, they love their a and they do viewers and listeners, they love their a relationship, and they do viewers and listeners, they love their a relationship, neal, they do viewers and listeners, they love their a relationship, neal, with do have a relationship, neal, with the pharmacist wonder the pharmacist and i just wonder whether pharmacies could be the secret the nhs going fonnard. Yeah, i mean, were getting our flu vaccines, arent we . In the . I mean, probably the pharmacy . I mean, probably covid in the future. I would have thought. And you i have thought. And you know, i mean, my wife has unfortunately had a cancer on the skin and that was recognised originally by a pharmacist and then went through to the doctor. And so, i through to the doctor. And so, i mean, our doctors are under pressure. I mean, i do actually feel that we should be able to get an appointment at a doctors surgery a little easier than we can. But i think pharmacies have a lot of experience, very practical , a lot of experience, very practical, and you can go in immediately and see them. And i think this is whats frustrating everybody at the moment. You just cant see anybody. Youre right. Its taking you too right. And its taking you too long. Can you . Long. Can you . Theres two drugs take when theres two drugs i take when i climb big mountains. One is diamox other is viagra. Diamox and the other is viagra. Can you get viagra over the counter . Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Can you . Can you . Can you . Asking for a friend . Asking for a friend . It is that. Is that for is it is that. Is that for climbing the mountain. Is it. Yeah. Thats it. Use blue yeah. Always use pop a blue pill night. Pill for a summit night. Tell you what. Well ill tell you what. Neils up a bit there. Neils perked up a bit there. There you go, neil. There you go, neil. To give it to one of give it to give it to one of the old. Yeah. They largely dont need it. They they dont. I they dont, they dont. I need it. Let me tell you, its been a while. But listen, lets. Lets crack on. Weve got a very short but weve been short break, but weve been asking, following boycott by asking, following a boycott by publicans, skip publicans, is it time to skip sober october in order to help out your local boozer . The results are in. And here we go 86. 2 say yes, 13. 8 say no. 86. 2 say yes, 13. 8 say no. Look, ive got lots more papers to come. Plus, my pundits will be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeros. Dont go anywhere. Weve saved our best till last. See you. In two. It is so more papers coming in. And lets have a look at the daily express. Always a good read on a monday morning. Lots of my work suella of my friends work there. Suella to quiz met chief on jihadi chants at rally. Mick jaggers change of habit. Isnt it amazing . Mick jagger is he 80 . How is that possible . He still looks great. Still looks great in a dress, actually. But amazing voice. And his new album amazing voice. And his new album is the Rolling Stones daily is out, the Rolling Stones daily star now halloween weather images of floods across the uk and new hope for slapheads as boffins find baldness gene turns hair. We grow baldness will soon be slap happy as those lovely boffins have finally found the baldness genes. Thatch will do nicely. We say the star nicely. We say the star brilliant stuff. Well, look, brilliant stuff. Well, look, lets get to my pundits and their nominations now for headune their nominations now for headline hero and back page zero of the day. And we start with adrian. Adrian, who is your hero . Very simple, bobby charleton. Brilliant. You know, and theres something you know, he represents a sportsman. Theres represents a sportsman. Theres no controversy. Theres no scandal. No controversy. Theres no scandal. In fact, i think hes scandal. In fact, i think hes one of the few sports persons that deserves a knighthood. Memo that deserves a knighthood. Memo to politicians stop knighting every single sportsperson or coach who wins a world cup, a championship, an open, coach who wins a world cup, a championship , an open, whatever. Championship, an open, whatever. Please so archetypal sportsman. And i think in this you know, lets widen it with this time of such division sport is such a unifying thing and it is everything and just look in the Rugby World Cup semi final last night as well, you know, its a huge unifier. And frankly , i huge unifier. And frankly, i dont think we should be showing flags or anything. Keep sport neutral. Bobby was the greatest. And know, i think one of the and you know, i think one of the greatest footballers weve ever had too. Had in the country, too. A nomination. Right. What a nomination. Hilary, your headline hero. , this a surprise to well, this is a surprise to me as much as its going to be to its actually rishi to you, but its actually rishi sunak. I never i would sunak. I never thought i would say i have to say im no say that. I have to say im no great fan of the tories, but he has been brilliant this week in terms of his support for the jews in this country and for making us feel feel more safe. Hes been visiting synagogues. Hes been visiting synagogues. Hes been visiting schools , hes been visiting schools, jewish schools and he and hes been steadfast in his support for israel. And you know, its important, fair play to keir starmer, who seems to have also got a grip on this. And. Yes. And keir starmer, too, who has shown that he is you know, hes he is getting rid of that that faction of his party. And he was very clear that, you know, his mps should not go to the protest i yes, there you go. Neil, your headune yes, there you go. Neil, your headline hero. Yeah. Headline hero. Yeah. For me, its unusual to actually joe biden because i actually joe biden because i actually think he actually if you all had a drink tonight. Yeah, exactly. Because i wouldnt think id ever say never say this, mark. But i think he went to israel and i think he went to israel and i think he went to israel and i think he went to middle think he went to the middle east. Think managed to east. I think hes managed to get those humanitarian trucks in. And i think hes just balanced the whole thing and hes stuck with israel very much. But hes also helping to bring a sort of bit of realism to it as well. And think thats why as well. And i think thats why for once , you know, and i didnt for once, you know, and i didnt think id ever say joe biden, for once, you know, and i didnt thini id ever say joe biden, for once, you know, and i didnt thini thinker say joe biden, for once, you know, and i didnt thini think hesay joe biden, for once, you know, and i didnt thini think he actuallyyiden, for once, you know, and i didnt thini think he actually deserves but i think he actually deserves it. I mean, hes hes not always your dynamic but your most dynamic man, but i think in this case, because it is a horrendous situation, because israel has had a terrible situation of mass murder. But also weve got to be careful. You know, as we go into gaza, that too much of the population is affected by it. So i think its a balancing act, which i think hes been very good at. And i would very much endorse rishi sunak because i think the Jewish Population in this country needs real support. Most definitely. Adrian, your most definitely. Adrian, your back. Page 000. That was quite simple for me this week. Its Just Stop Oil just for a change. And with their protest against the bibby stockholm barge this week now , i stockholm barge this week now, i think a lot of us dont even know what net zero means. It just this just shows that even Just Stop Oil dont know what it means confusing means because theyre confusing it the it with migration. Whatever the rights cause, rights and wrongs of the cause, theyre confused as well. So theyre confused as well. So theyre my back. Page zero. Okay, good. Shout hilary, briefly, if you can, your zero. Well, again, this is carrying on my hero actually , its on from my hero actually, its my mp who is a labour mp who i will not be voting for at the next election. Apsana begum, who just shows absolute ali no , no just shows absolute ali no, no care for her constituents. She seems to have no empathy , no seems to have no empathy, no empathy for the people of israel. No. And just, you know, continuously she does what shes told not to do and stands up and says that shes for palestine. She went to the protest. She spoke at the protest , she went to the protest. She spoke at the protest, and she was told to not by keir starmer. And she doesnt care. And it and she doesnt care. And it just feels like she represents the palestine liens, not her constituents. Constituents. No, thats not thats not at all acceptable. Neil, briefly, if you can zero sticking to the middle east, hamas because of their murderous murder of israeli innocent citizens and the fact that how it affects the whole world and as well as the middle east. Well, to right listen loved the company of my pundits. And i think youll agree theyre wonderful. Oh, hilary, adrian come back adrian and neil do come back soon. Most importantly , you for soon. Most importantly, you for your company. Love this your company. I love doing this show your company. Show and i love your company. Listening on radio, watching listening on the radio, watching on it without on tv. Couldnt do it without you. Emails, you. All the emails, the occasional gift in the post. What can so much more what can i say . So much more to come. Im going to be covering 9 to 11 tomorrow and tuesday. So im back tomorrow at nine. Well done to the team this weekend. Maria the gang headliners is maria and the gang headliners is next. See you nine good evening. Im lisa hartle. Here are the latest headunes hartle. Here are the latest headlines from the united nafions headlines from the United Nations says a second convoy of 14 trucks carrying humanitarian aid has now entered into gaza. Aid has now entered into gaza. Earlier, they had to abort the delivery across the rafah border with witnesses saying they heard a blast nearby yesterday. The first 20 aid trucks were able to deliver supplies to the strip when the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. The uns humanity Korean Affairs chief, Martin Griffiths has labelled the delivery a small glimmer of hope for the millions of people in dire need of aid. It comes as gaza faces of aid. It comes as gaza faces a fresh wave of airstrikes, a number of explosions have been seen after israel issued a warning to residents to leave the area. Leaflets were dropped in the north of the strip, saying if they stayed, they may be identified as terrorist sympathisers. The health sympathisers. The Health Ministry says more than 4600 people have been killed in gaza since the incursion earlier , since the incursion earlier, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Against hamas is do or die for his country. In london, around 20,000 people have attended an israel solidarity rally in trafalgar square. The bring them home protest called for the release of all hostages being held by hamas. The Israel Defence forces says 218 people are being detained in gaza. Two people were arrested for allegedly shouting abuse at the vigil. It comes after days of vigil. It comes after days of pro palestine indian protests in cities across the country. In cities across the country. In other in other news, the Environment Agency says 1250 properties have been flooded in the wake of storm babet, the agency is responding to flooding in derbyshire and nottinghamshire, where some rivers have reached record levels. And severe flood levels. And severe flood warnings have now been lifted on the river dennent and the river idle, but more flooding is possible for parts of england until wednesday. Four people have died during the storm. Manchester united has opened a book of condolence at old trafford following the death of sir Bobby Charlton. The legendary footballer was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966. Floral tributes and football shirts have been placed outside the Manchester United stadium with his former club, saying hell always be remembered as a giant of the game. This is gb news of the game. This is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its time for headliners