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It in. Israel has issued an urgent warning to residents in northern gaza, telling them to move south. It follows another night of airstrikes. The Health Ministry in gaza says 266 palestine reons, including 117 children, have been killed in the past 24 hours as leaflets and phone messages warn those who stay in the north could be seen as sympathisers with a terrorist organisation and are putting their lives in danger. Israel Defence Forces spokesman Lieutenant Colonel peter lerner says theyre only targeting hamas. Hamas. We know extensive how extensive their tunnel mechanisms is and how they are operating and using them. So were confident that we have good intelligence. But you know, the realm of warfare is the, urn, its not the known knowns. Its the unknown , unknown knowns. And the unknown, unknown knowns. And so we know that we have a brutal enemy. We dont know exactly what theyre doing. We have a what theyre doing. We have a good grasp of their operational capabilities , and we need to capabilities, and we need to confront that. And remove that as if it was a tumour. Former head of the palestinian diplomat mission to the uk Manuel Hassassian ian, says he Still Believes in a two state solution. State solution. Dont try to put us, you know, all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestinians. There is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority , which is Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate, legitimate representative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned the violence all along. The question is, can israel stop state terrorism on equal basis . Thats the question. Thing on the gaza border with egypt. Security and humanitarian sources say a convoy of 17 aid trucks has entered the egyptian side. Its cargo currently being inspected before its allowed into gaza. Yesterday, 20 trucks carrying supplies entered the strip for the first time in two weeks. As violence in the region is spreading, weeks. As violence in the region is spreading , with israel is spreading, with israel launching airstrikes in the occupied west bank. A compound beneath a mosque in the jenin refugee camp was hit. The Israeli Military claims it was being used by militants to organise attacks. Palestinian medics say two people were killed and several others injured. Now Police Believe a woman in her 80s has died as a result of flooding in chesterfield and the discovery of her body brings the total number of people whove died dufing number of people whove died during storm babet to four. Floods are still affecting parts of the uk, including yorkshire , of the uk, including yorkshire, scotland, east anglia and the east midlands. The Environment Agency says there are three severe flood warnings in place in derbyshire. Meteor ologist john hammond says even though the rain has stopped, rivers are still overflowing. The dennent is extraordinarily high and that bulge of floodwater has got to work its way down through the trent. So through the for trent. So through the trent for example , and other larger example, and other larger catchments across northern and eastern britain , that bulge of eastern britain, that bulge of floodwater has got to work its way towards the sea. So way down towards the sea. So Environment Agency flood warnings are still extensive , warnings are still extensive, but certainly from midweek onwards it doesnt look pretty weather wise. What we really weather wise. What we really want is a week or two of dry, settled, crisp autumn weather. Thatis settled, crisp autumn weather. That is not what were going to get. Were getting a lot more rain. Rain. And Manchester United has opened a book of condolence for fans at old trafford following the death sir Bobby Charlton. The death of sir Bobby Charlton. He a key member of englands he was a key member of englands world cup, winning team in 1966. United players wore a black armband for their game against Sheffield United last night. The club says he will always be remembered as a giant of the game for england manager Sam Allardyce paid tribute to his kindness. Kindness. He was a great ambassador for Manchester United and a great ambassador for football and england and such and such a kind person. I think thats what everybody is. Tribute is explaining to what a great, great guy he was, what a contribution he made to football for england and for Manchester United. And of course , as united. And of course, as a youngster, i watched him in the World Cup Final on my black and white tv at the time. All those years ago. But it was a pleasure to know him every time i went to old trafford, hed stop and have a chat with you. This is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to gb news. Sunday news. Sunday thanks sophia. This is gb thanks sophia. This is gb news sunday with me, emily carver. Now the met police has estimated that up to 100,000 people took part in a pro police stein march in london yesterday. Stein march in london yesterday. Other demonstrations took place in cardiff , glasgow, other demonstrations took place in cardiff, glasgow, birmingham. I also saw in leeds probably many other cities across the country , ten people were country, ten people were arrested as protesters called for freedom for palestine and stop bombing gaza. The force has said the arrests were in relation to offences involving fireworks. Public order and the assault of an Emergency Service worker. The gaza strip has been blockaded and bombarded by israel after its hamas rulers launched a series of deadly terrorist attacks on the 7th of october. Right i want to speak to the former met Police Officer chris hobbs today to kick off the show to ask you, chris, how do police go about Police Seeing such a demonstration . A hundred thousand is the estimate from the met police very difficult . It was huge. I mean, i was it was huge. I mean, i was there yesterday and purely to observe what was going on as i often do at protest. And ive write about them aftennards. But it was huge. Ive not actually seen a demonstration as big. Its probably the biggest since the gulf war protests. All those years ago. So it was huge , very years ago. So it was huge, very difficult to police in terms of whats acceptable and what isnt. You cant put two lines of police along all those demonstrators. I was told that demonstrators. I was told that as people were reaching whitehall and the stage in whitehall and the stage in whitehall , people were still whitehall, people were still leaving hyde park, marble arch. Leaving hyde park, marble arch. So it was a massive protest, very challenging for police and other than 1 or 2 skirmishes that i saw , i think the police that i saw, i think the police will be pretty happy with the way it went generally. Way it went generally. So a lot of people watching some of the footage that came from the protest yesterday will have been concerned by some distressing signs. Also, Islamist Groups out in Central London calling for things like jihad. Did you see evidence of extremism in the protest . Extremism in the protest . In all honesty , i didnt in all honesty, i didnt really. And thats to not say they werent there. But as you said, it was a massive demonstration. Hizb ut tahrir hizb ut tahrir. There was some comment on they were at the Egyptian Embassy and there was some worry about their flag. Some worry about their flag. Theyre not a proscribed organisation in the uk. Another organisation in the uk. Another organisation similar Al Muhajiroun is. But these arent, so they are free to protest and i think their flag caused a little bit of concern yesterday. Yes, well, there are yesterday. Yes, well, there are calls for the be, chris, there are calls for the law to perhaps change when it comes to that particular Islamist Group. Particular Islamist Group. I know that in the states its a proscribed Terror Organisation. I believe. But organisation. I believe. But its quite interesting because we heard chanting of jihad. Now we heard chanting ofjihad. Now jihad is a word that many people will have see it as having terrorist connotations. Now the terrorist connotations. Now the police said the word jihad has a number of meanings. We know the pubuc number of meanings. We know the public will most commonly associate it with terrorism. We have specialist Counter Terrorism terrorism officers here who have a particular knowledge. Theyve assessed the video of those with the flag filmed at the protest in Central London and have not identified any offences arising from the specific clip. Now i find it hard to get my head around that because as for many people they would have found that incredibly intimate , waiting to see intimate, waiting to see islamists out chanting jihad on the streets of london. Surely there may well be a crime in there. Even though the police seem to have, you know, said, oh, all right, then, thats all right. No crime committed. Right. No crime committed. Yeah, i think jihad has got a lots of different meanings, hasnt it . One of them is to establish an islamic caliphate, which would effectively wipe out countries like morocco and egypt and so on and so forth. And what and so on and so forth. And what the met do, of course, in these situations is actually take advice. They take advice from from legal people , um, as well from legal people, um, as well as organisations, etcetera , as organisations, etcetera, etcetera. Of course, even if they did go arresting these people , you then and its a people, you then and its a little bit like that from the river to the sea chant, which is also controversial. You then got to get it past the crown prosecution service. You perhaps start a gravy train for leftist human rights lawyers. Then you have to put them before a court and convince a jury. So its not just the met making these decisions , its people behind decisions, its people behind the met who are concluding basically that if it was these people were put before a court, it probably wouldnt get very far. But yes , it will be far. But yes, it will be intimidating and i accept the meaning of jihad for most people. Means means blood and violence. But that, i think, will be looked at. And of course, in the context of the current conflict in the middle east, i think thats likely what many, many people would see it as a calling for. And weve seen the government talk tough on this. But as you say, the police dont seem to have teeth when it comes to this, perhaps because youve had the minister on the the immigration minister on the channel talking channel earlier talking about how be away how visas should be taken away from those who are seen to be supporting surely if supporting hamas. Surely if youre flying the flag of an islamist extremist group, you are supportive of such terror. Are supportive of such terror. Well, that may be hizb ut tahrir ras, but theyre not proscribed. And at the end of the day, the final decision as to whether to bring them before the court isnt going to be that of the police. Its, um. Yes, it is. I of the police. Its, um. Yes, it is. I agree. It is intimidating and perhaps its something we dont want to see on the streets of london. But then the government will have to turn around and say, right, as far as were concerned, his books are here, is a proscribed group, and that will make life a lot easier for police because much for the police because its much more cut than it is at the more clear cut than it is at the moment. That is islamist moment. And that is islamist flag. Yes, it is. But its not one of the flags. Its not a hamas flag. Its not a hezbollah flag. Its not a Al Muhajiroun flag. Its not a Al Muhajiroun flag. So, again, if you bought it before the probably that would be about as far as it will get. Interesting. Very interesting. Thank you very much, chris hobb, former met Police Officer. I hope you come on the show again. Thank you for your right. Will your time. Right. I will introduce panel. Am joined introduce my panel. I am joined by advisor to jeremy by former advisor to jeremy corbyn, who was corbyn, James Schneider, who was at yesterday. And at the protests yesterday. And we Deputy Editor of we also have Deputy Editor of spiked myers. Spiked online, fraser myers. James, you heard there the Police Officer saying that essentially its not against the law, its not a proscribed terrorist group. This particular hizb ut tahrir hizb ut tahrir i think ive pronounced that correctly. Do you think this is just freedom of expression . No problems here. What saw problems here. What we saw yesterday . Well, let me say what i saw yesterday. Go on. So i saw probably hundreds of thousands of people. I mean, we just heard of people. I mean, we just heard from chris hobbs. He thinks thats the largest since 2003. The anti iraq war protest. It was certainly huge and it was in the rain, mainly at and it was hundreds of thousands of people all peacefully demanding that our government stops its complicity in the war crimes that are currently being perpetrated on gaza. And i think thatis perpetrated on gaza. And i think that is the main takeaway. I think the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people who are there that will have been there experience that was certainly. Certainly. May i ask what you define as the war crimes that israel are permitted commit ing . Course. So collective yes, of course. So collective punishment is a is a war crime under the geneva convention. So the shutting off of Electric City water, fuel and food is by definition a war crime. Definition a war crime. Collective punishment by hold on. Ill run through some. Yeah, okay. The raising gaza to rubble is itself a war crime of collective punishment. Already more than 1 in 20 buildings in gaza have been levelled since the beginning of this bombing campaign, which has seen more bombs dropped on gaza than on afghanistan in the entire first year of that war. These are clearly war crimes that are being committed, and theyre being committed, and theyre being committed, and theyre being committed with british bombs, with british bullets and with british complicity because of our state is supporting them. Of our state is supporting them. Why are you surprised not to see people protesting against not hamas . Because there are reports of hamas , for example, reports of hamas, for example, stopping humanitarian aid from reaching its citizens. There are reaching its citizens. There are examples of hamas potentially killing its own citizens is certainly not keeping them safe if essentially putting their lives at risk. If i thought that lives at risk. If i thought that if this protest was all about peace, would you not see that demonstrated there . So our government doesnt arm hamas , we dont provide hamas, we dont provide diplomatic cover to hamas. So we diplomatic cover to hamas. So we are in no way complicit with any crimes that hamas engages in. But we are complicit in the crimes that the israeli state carries out because we support the israeli state, we fund, we help fund the Israeli Military, and we offer it diplomatic coven and we offer it diplomatic cover. So, of course, if we are sitting here in london, which we are and the protests yesterday are and the protests yesterday are in london and were trying to do something to try to alleviate a atrocious situation thats happening where gaza is being absolute flattened. The thing to do if youre in britain is to try to lobby our government to change course , to government to change course, to not just offer to carry water for the war crimes that that were announced. And its not like these war crimes let me bnngin like these war crimes let me bring in let me bring in in in fraser there. Your reaction to yesterdays protests . I think i just want to react actually to what the Police Officer was saying, because i think what will stick in the craw for a lot of people is that there is a kind of double standard now. I dont want people to be arrested for going on they make on protests, even if they make inflammatory you know, on protests, even if they make inflammshould you know, on protests, even if they make inflammshould be you know, on protests, even if they make inflammshould be allowed know, on protests, even if they make inflammshould be allowed to ow, on protests, even if they make inflammshould be allowed to be you you should be allowed to be an islamist extremist. Thats how far id go in terms of free speech. But what will what will upset people is the fact that clearly everyone knows the meaning jihad. Everyone knows meaning of jihad. Everyone knows it relationship with it has a relationship with terrorism. You know, in the terrorism. You know, in the context of calling for muslim armies the of this, armies in the context of this, you know what hamas did a few weeks ago . And yet, if you were, weeks ago . And yet, if you were, you know, probably a middle aged woman and you said women cant have penises and you put a sticker up on your local park bench, you know, the police would be around within minutes. And we know that. So i think what is frustrating for a lot of people is there is a clear double standard where sort of very extreme islamist calls for violence are kind of look, the other way and we say we need to you know, we need to have a bit of understanding. We there are multiple interpretations of the word jihad, whereas if you Say Something completely normal, youll upon. Youll be cracked down upon. I think double standard. Youll be cracked down upon. I thirdo double standard. Youll be cracked down upon. I thirdo nthink standard. Youll be cracked down upon. I thirdo nthink theyre|rd. Youll be cracked down upon. I thirdo nthink theyre scared do you think theyre scared of islamists . Of policing islamists . Think theres a bit of yes, i think theres a bit of fear. Theres also a tendency to not they call not upset what they might Call Community relations lines or things. Those are very much upset. Those are very much upset. Yeah, well, definitely. I think certainly, you know, a lot of jewish people are feeling very scared at the moment. They dont feel that theyre being protected as what is what you hear so, you know , you hear. So, yeah, you know, you cant take sides in these things. You know, if were going to have crackdowns inflammatory have crackdowns on inflammatory speech , then it cant you know, speech, then it cant you know, it has to be for everyone. I mean, i prefer it if it was just find it very curious that people arent there. Arent out there. Against hamas. And arent out there. makes against hamas. And arent out there. makes meigainst hamas. And arent out there. makes me thinkt hamas. And arent out there. makes me think perhaps. And arent out there. makes me think perhaps that it makes me think perhaps that there are people who support the actions of hamas and that worries me very much. And the government trying to do government are trying to do something about that. Whether anything actually happens is another believe we another thing. Now, i believe we have actually of have a video actually of yesterday on a tube, a packed tube full of palestinian protesters. I think we have it protesters. I think we have it have it. Here protesters. I think we have it have it. Here are protesters. I think we have it have it. Here are three side. Have it. Here are three side. Hope you will have a blessed day today and look after yourself. Everything that everybody. Everything that everybody. And keep all those people in your prayers. Have a good day. Your prayers. Have a good day. Yes. So thats a video taken in a london tube yesterday. Im not sure exactly what time, but sometime in the afternoon, it seems. And now there is a probe undennay because essentially what you heard was the tube tannoy being used to sort of rally pro palestinian message, tannoy being used to sort of ralljthejro palestinian message, tannoy being used to sort of ralljthe people estinian message, tannoy being used to sort of ralljthe people going. 1 message, tannoy being used to sort of ralljthe people going. Kingssage, get the people going. King james, is that is that appropriate . Yes, its absolutely fine. So on your way to a football match, sometimes the two drivers not a football match, though, is it . But hold on. Right. Lets just. What did he say . He said free palestine, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. And he said, keep people in your prayers. Thats what i just heard there. Again what is free palestine actually mean to james . To me . Yeah. What does it mean you . Because people mean to you . Because people throw this all the throw around this chant all the time i wonder what it time and i wonder what does it actually mean . A lot of actually mean . Because a lot of people on that rally, unfortunately, seem to believe that means the eradication that it means the eradication of israel. That it means the eradication of isra hold on. That just isnt hold on. Thatjust isnt true. Free no one on that march thinks thats what it means. You said loads of people on that march. I cant account for what everybody did, but can what everybody did, but i can tell from what i saw and tell you from what i saw and i was actually i was there. Yeah. Now free palestine means the liberation palestinian liberation of the Palestinian People dispossessed, who people who are dispossessed, who dont a state who have dont have a state or who have who have suffered decades of occupation and who live under an apartheid situation and free palestine means freedom , dignity palestine means freedom, dignity and justice for those people who currently do not have it. It is a cry for justice and currently do not have it. It is a cry forjustice and it currently do not have it. It is a cry for justice and it is currently do not have it. It is a cry forjustice and it is in a cry for justice and it is in no way a cry for justice. But youre not telling me what that actually means in terms of i just policy. Hold on. I Self Determination and National Liberation for the Palestinian People. Now with equality and dignity for all. The precise form of a political settlement, i cant prejudge thats going to be and should it ever happen , its going to come ever happen, its going to come as a negotiation between the palestinian political actors and the israeli political actors. But to say free palestine is like saying, you know, end apartheid south africa at that time , its like you cant put time, its like you cant put say and therefore it must have this particular political solution. It is a basic cry for dignity and justice. Okay, okay. Fraser your reaction to what we heard on that tube carriage . Yeah, i think, you know, obviously there are many different chants that are associated with these kinds of rallies, free palestine is kind of fine, but when you get into much dodgier territories , you much dodgier territories, you know this phrase from the river to the sea, talking about palestine shall be free because that and everyone knows that that is and everyone knows that that is and everyone knows that thatis that is and everyone knows that that is and everyone knows that that is a call for the eradicate ation of israel. No. Do you accept that . No. Do you accept that . No. The river jordan . No. To from the river jordan . No. To the mediterranean . Isnt. The mediterranean . No, it isnt. There. No, it is not there. No, it is not there. That is the area that is being described and everyone knows area where knows the area where palestinians live, where they are runs from the are not free runs from the jordan to the jordan river to the mediterranean , so to say, from mediterranean, so to say, from the river to the sea, palestine will be free is saying that palestinians living in that territory will be free. Well be able to live with equality under the law, in peace and with dignity, which is something which everybody, israel, can negotiate with hamas, israel isnt negotiating with anybody. But do you think its possible to negotiate with a Terror Organisation . Yes. And thatis a Terror Organisation . Yes. And that is how like hamas. Yes. And that is how like hamas. Yes. And thatis that is how like hamas. Yes. And that is how like hamas. Yes. And that is how things stop organisations that are previously deemed Terror Organisations, for example, the ira come into negotiations. Hamas has has also, in 2017 did try to engage in some negotiations. Israel hasnt been taking part in peace negotiations since 2014. Really you could turn the question around and you could say is, is there anybody in the current Israeli Government with whom you could negotiate given given, for example , the finance minister, example, the finance minister, given the finance minister has said that palestinians are just come in there . I dont think that hamas is like the ira or even the previous palestinian liberation liberation i mean, liberation organisation. I mean, because explicit aim because hamas, its explicit aim is the eradication of israel and to kill jews. So thats why its much more difficult to have a serious, not a great starting point. Its not a good starting point. Its not a good starting point for a negotiation. Its their aim is an islamist their aim is for an islamist caliphate. Its not for its not even the liberation of even for the liberation of palestine. Doesnt care about palestine. It doesnt care about palestinians. Uses palestinians. It uses palestinians. It uses palestinians as human shields. Its leaders are enriching themselves in qatar. So that is a very different kind of set of circumstances. Right. Well come back to this. Youre watching and listening to sunday with me, emily to gb news sunday with me, emily kabul to gb news sunday with me, emily kabul. Weve more kabul. Weve got lots more coming up. Going to get coming up. Were going to get the from israel hamas the latest from the israel hamas war. Palestinians have been warned move south or risk warned to move south or risk being as terrorist being seen as terrorist partners. Sympathiser partners. Terrorist sympathiser shares. To shares. All of that and more to come. Youre watching and had dewbs co weeknights from. Six welcome back to gb news sunday. With me, emily carver on your tv online and Digital Radio. Now israels military has sent an urgent warning to palestinians to move south of the gaza strip or being the gaza strip or risk being seen terrorists sympathisers. Seen as terrorists sympathisers. The urgent message was sent by israel Defence Forces to peoples mobile phones and via leaflets across the gaza strip. Thats just 20 miles, 28 miles long. Joining us live from tel aviv is gb news home and security editor mark white. Mark, thank you very much for joining me on the show this afternoon. Can you bring us the very latest region . Very latest from the region . There concerns that this there are concerns that this conflict escalating. Conflict is escalating. I think theres no doubt that even before the ground war has begun , there is an escalation begun, there is an escalation here. The israeli militia said just last night that they were going to intensify their operations, their strikes on northern gaza ahead of that expected ground war to try to ensure that the traps that have been laid for the Israeli Military were , as best they can, military were, as best they can, neutralised and to ensure that the rockets that are coming over all of the time still and today, again , weve seen it with again, weve seen it with ashkelon and other communities around and the gaza strip and the israeli side targeted by rockets today, even here in tel aviv, the southern outskirts of tel aviv, tal , targeted by a tel aviv, tal, targeted by a rocket barrage this morning, all intercepted , of course, by intercepted, of course, by israels iron dome. So theyre targeting again those rockets sites in the latest days that the Israeli Defence force say that they have killed another senior hamas commander , a man senior hamas commander, a man who was in charge of some of those rocket barrages was so from their point of view, a significant figure in the north of the country. We can tell you that there has been continued fire across the border from hezbollah in into israel. The idf telling hezbollah its playing a very dangerous game. And indeed, israel has struck targets in syria with, of course, its links to hezbollah as well. We heard that a few hours ago that another 14 communities around the border region in the north of israel, between the border of israel and lebanon , have been evacuated on lebanon, have been evacuated on top of dozens of other communities that were evacuated in recent days because of the real concerns about hezbollah stepping up its operations into israel. So very tense at the moment. There is no doubt on a more optimist note, we have got reports coming through now that another aid convoy may have crossed from egypt into gaza. Crossed from egypt into gaza. Some 17 trucks, according to the egyptian media. That follows 20 trucks yesterday. Nowhere near enough. Health officials in gaza say, but it is a start. Thank you very much indeed, mark white there, our home and security editor live from tel aviv. Well speak to you aviv. Well speak to you a little bit later. Thank you, little bit later. Thank you, mark. Right. Lets see my mark. Right. Lets see what my panel make of this. We have James Schneider and fraser mars with fraser with me this afternoon. Fraser on this, we just heard from mark white setting the scene geopolitically and also in terms of humanitarian aid , good news of humanitarian aid, good news that humanitarian is making that humanitarian aid is making its way into the gaza strip. Definitely. Its way into the gaza strip. You nitely. This is clearly a you know, this is clearly a very seriously serious humanitarian is humanitarian crisis that is happening now. Inevitably unfortunately, one of the things i find quite disturbing is , you i find quite disturbing is, you know, its almost like israel can do no right in this situation if it bombs gaza in retaliation to the terror attacks, then its endangering civilian life, which is an understandable accusation in. But when its told tells people to evacuate , to say to give to evacuate, to say to give people fair warning, to evacuate, to say to give people fair warning , these areas people fair warning, these areas are going to be bombed, then it gets accused of forced removal and ethnic cleansing. So there and ethnic cleansing. So there id like to know what is the what is the answer . What is israel supposed to do . Israel supposed to do . Unfortunately, we know that hamas do use civilian infrastructure for storing weapons as headquarters and things like that. Hospitals schools, using water pipes for rockets. So its a very sort of rockets. So its a very sort of tricky situation. And i think we shouldnt necessarily you know, we do want to see restraint. Of course, we dont want to see the indiscriminate bombing of people. We dont want to see any form collective punishment. I form of collective punishment. I think israeli think i thought the israeli remark acas there about people being terrorist sympathisers as if dont leave. I didnt if they dont leave. I didnt think was appropriate, think that was very appropriate, especially there will be lots especially as there will be lots of people ordered stay of people are ordered to stay by hamas these warnings. Hamas when these warnings. Could that be simply what they think might be the best way of ensuring. I agree. Yeah. I mean, i dont want to i dont want to overly criticise, just what language here, but, you know. Language here, but, you know. Yeah. Difficult. James fraser raises a good point there. What would the right response from israel to be what we saw two weeks ago . It would be to deal with the root cause of the violence , which is that you have violence, which is that you have the Worlds Largest open air pnson the Worlds Largest open air prison in probably the most densely populated place on earth before the humanitarian catastro b of the of gaza city being razed to rubble, which is what netanyahu said they were going to do. This is not my description of it. This is me repeating the israeli Prime Minister already had 80 of People Living in poverty. Half of them are poverty. Half of them are children. Most of the population of gaza themselves are refugees from. Hold on, please , from from. Hold on, please, from other parts of palestine. This is just james, this is the response to the terrorist attack i youre talking longer term. No. Was the Israeli Government meant to do if you are if you are meant to seek seek peace , are meant to seek seek peace, you have to actually seek peace, which is not what a response which is not what a response which says we are going to force half the population to move. Were going to shut off their food and their water and their electricity. Were to, going they redraw the the they say, redraw the map of the middle and will be smaller. I think they have a right to try and wipe out hamas. I think they have a right to self defence, an absolute right to self defence. To self defence. Think you have a i dont think you have a right to collective punishment, which is what they are doing, are engaging know that hamas is very much embedded. They are engaging in in the civilian population, engaging in collective punishment. Now, what would would a brave states would what would a brave states person like leader of israel do . They would have hugely reinforce their defensive capabilities on their defensive capabilities on the border and they would sue for peace because there is no end to this conflict. Lets say lets say they do have a ground invasion, lets say gaza is reduced totally to rubble. Now, reduced totally to rubble. Now, only 1 in 20 buildings, lets say half the buildings, lets say half the buildings, lets say its a tent city. A member of the Israeli Knesset said , of the Israeli Knesset said, what do you think is going to happen after you destroy the hamas capability . Is you hamas capability . Is do you think you think the think do you think the palestinians are going to do what the finance minister, what what the finance minister, smotrich , said should smotrich, said that they should do, is either well come back. Im sorry. Got ive got im sorry. Ive got ive got to cut in there. Get that, because well get on to that, because as stands, yes, a big as it stands, yes, a big question is what the exit question is what is the exit strategy for israel if they do move in with a ground assault . Well be coming that. Well be coming back to that. Weve plenty more coming up. Weve got plenty more coming up. Well be getting update on well be getting an update on the chaos being caused the flooding chaos being caused by but first, lets by storm babet. But first, lets get headlines. Get the News Headlines. Its 130. Get the News Headlines. Its130. Im sophia wenzler in the newsroom. A search and in the newsroom. A search and rescue operation is undennay off ramsgate following reports a man on a Passenger Ship fell overboard and the alarm was raised just before 9 00 this morning. Life boats supported by a helicopter are now scouring the area and well have more on this story as it develops. This story as it develops. Israels Prime Minister has told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Benjamin netanyahu , his comments benjamin netanyahu, his comments come as the military prepares to launch another offensive in gaza following overnight airstrikes. Israel has issued an urgent warning to residents in the north, telling them to head south or they may be identified as sympathisers of a terrorist organisation. Ian meanwhile , organisation. Ian meanwhile, these are live pictures of the rafah crossing on the gaza border with egypt. Security and humanitarian sources say a convoy of 17 aid trucks has entered the egyptian side. Its cargo currently being inspected before its allowed into gaza yesterday. 20 trucks carrying suppues yesterday. 20 trucks carrying supplies entered the strip for the first time in two weeks to fresh danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire as water levels continue to rise. It comes as Police Believe a woman in her 80s has died as a result of flooding in chesterfield and Manchester United has opened a book of condolence for fans at old trafford following the death of sir Bobby Charlton. He was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966. The club says he will always be remembered as a giant of the game. And you can get more on game. And you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website , gbnews. Com. Isabel monday to thursdays from. Six till 930. Six till 930. Welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. Im on your tv, online and Digital Radio. Now the uk is facing further truffle travel disruption after major rivers have flooded following storm babet flooding has caused problems across britains rail network. You may yourself have been caught up with some of the disruption. It continues in parts of yorkshire, scotland and east and the east east anglia and the east midlands, Environment Agency midlands, the Environment Agency said. Three severe flood warnings in around warnings were in place around the dennent derbyshire , the river dennent in derbyshire, meaning fast flowing meaning deep and fast flowing water carries significant risk water carries a significant risk of or serious injury as of death or serious injury as well as serious distress eruption. So one of the areas affected is derby and we can go there now and speak with gb News Reporter jack carson. Jack, i believe the weather has calmed down, but the storm has left a slew of destruction behind. It yeah, thats right. Slew of destruction behind. It yeah, thats right. I mean, for the people of derby waking up this morning, they would have been certainly very thankful that there was no heavy rainfall overnight. And that seems to have sustained throughout the day as well. The river dennent was at record levels yesterday and the day before up to 3. 5m tall. The Derby City Council saying thats the highest and the and the highest level that theyve ever seen it. And it has caused disruption not only of course for houses, for people, for businesses in the area, but also the major Road Networks also on the major Road Networks as well. Stood in the as well. Im stood here in the middle a dual carriageway on middle of a dual carriageway on the just step out the the a52. If i just step out the way for a second, you can see whats left of the water after that river dennent did burst its banks some of its on some of banks on some of its on some of its route of course from upper dennent and that pole of water still remains here. It has certainly since i was here at 7 00 this morning, gone down around 20ft. So it is starting to recede a little bit, but there is quite a few bits of stubborn water. Also around in other parts of the slip road, dannin place, the car park just off the slip road here has a maximum headroom height of eight foot well the water is above that eight foot mark. So that just a little of just explains a little bit of the people and some the problem that people and some of the Road Networks are still having but of having here as well. But of course, not just here in course, its not just here in derbyshire, where three derbyshire, where the three severe warnings, flood Severe Weather warnings, flood warnings have warnings for derbyshire have now expired well , weve now expired and as well, weve now got two Severe Weather warnings in nottinghamshire around the areas of retford west areas of retford and west retford a 3 am. This morning, Nottinghamshire Fire Service were warning people there to evacuate. The council has now backed that of course, with backed that up, of course, with these severe flood warnings as well, people those well, saying people in those areas should evacuate and go to retford leisure centre. Thats the area that theyve been said that they can go to for safety. But of course, its all around the country that weve been having of course, with having problems. Of course, with the aftermath of storm as the aftermath of storm babet as rivers the country burst rivers across the country burst their and there still their banks and there is still disruption expected over the coming days because, of course, that bulge of the floodwater is still coming down from higher levels there levels as well. There was concerns , particularly with the concerns, particularly with the dennent here in derby, that there could be still further rises, particularly warnings around the river trent, there was warnings that it could rise another 18in over the next 36 hours, but so far things look to be a lot steadier and i think the weather today particularly has helped that. But of course the advice, if you are in one of those areas, is dont try and drive through the flood water. It seems stupid say. But of it seems stupid to say. But of course many people can the course many people can see the floodwater quite deceiving floodwater is quite deceiving and it actually is. And and how deep it actually is. And of not go anywhere of course, to not go anywhere near terms swimming near it in terms of swimming this place here on the a52 as since ive been here this morning, has quite a bit morning, has become quite a bit of of a daily tourist of a of a daily tourist attraction have come attraction as people have come down and every down to take photos and every hour or so, another car thats been stuck in the water to been stuck in the water seems to bob head above the surface. Bob its head above the surface. So advice to stay away from so the advice to stay away from those severely flooded areas as people as i mentioned, particularly now in nottinghamshire in retford, are being evacuate. Being urged to evacuate. But yes, jack, i have seen lots of videos circulating on social media of people trying to drive through floods and drive through the floods and thinking that theyve made it to the other side and then, you know, their locks and they know, their car locks and they have be towed out and have to be towed out and pictures of buses with children on them filling with water. On them filling up with water. It been quite it really has been quite dramatic indeed. I imagine the clean up will take quite a long time. Very much time. Thank you very much for your reporter jack your time. Gb News Reporterjack carson from derby. Right. Carson there from derby. Right. Well be moving on some well be moving on to some westminster politics in rishi sunaks year prime sunaks first year as Prime Minister he has steered the conservative boat through what one could call a wobbly party, a drowning economy. Waves drowning economy. And the waves from so a further from crises abroad. So a further setbacks week with two setbacks this week with two conservative by election loss. Conservative by election loss. His meanwhile, former chancellor George Osborne says sunak cant pull off being the change candidate and only has a chance of nicking a small majority at the next election. Does he have the next election. Does he have that chance . Lets see what my panel make of this. James schneider fraser myers. Schneider and fraser myers. Fraser fraser, does have fraser fraser, does he have a chance of nicking the election still . Still . I think its very, very, very , very unlikely. But i wouldnt write anyone or anything off. I mean, you think about how how much politics has changed in just the past couple of years, the volatility of british politics. You know, in 2021, the tories were still taking by election seats off labour. By election seats off labour. Keir starmer was nowhere to be seen. People had written him off, quite rightly in a way because hes fairly boring and doesnt have doesnt really stand for much and doesnt have much to offer. So i dont think rishi necessarily has anything in him that could turn things around. But again, we just need around. But again, we just need to think about how volatile things are. People dont have the same loyalties they do to the same loyalties as they do to the same loyalties as they do to the old parties. You know, you the old parties. You know, you saw that in the collapse of the red wall, for instance. But i think many people, conversely, many people who are in tory safe seats dont have the same loyalty to the conservative party as they might once have. I mean, these were really safe seats that labour were taking. I mean, they their mean, obviously they have their own of course, the own context of course, the reason the by election may reason for the by election may well a part. Well have played a part. Yeah. Yeah. And none of them good for the conservatives with chris pincher. Pincher by name, conservatives with chris pincher. By1cher by name, conservatives with chris pincher. By naturey name, conservatives with chris pincher. By nature as ame, conservatives with chris pincher. By nature as boris pincher by nature as boris denies calling resigning denies calling him resigning over a sex scandal. Nadine dorries resigning because she didnt get a peerage , which is didnt get a peerage, which is just absolutely pathetic and i think everyone, you know, would look quite its look on that quite its important look at look at how important to look at look at how these byelections come about before completely saying its a, its a, you know, the end of the tories. Theyre finished because you do never know, as fraser says, james, why do you think George Osborne this . James, why do you think george ostbecause this . James, why do you think george ostbecause he this . James, why do you think george ostbecause he , this . James, why do you think george ostbecause he , like. . James, why do you think george ostbecause he , like tony blair, because he, like tony blair, cant resist sort of popping up and confuse his political journalists with real people and political journalists are very excited to get an interview or or have a little conversation with someone like George Osborne or tony blair. And the rest of us dont want to hear from these people ever again. And dont dont really care about what their analysis is. Rather here or there. So is the unflushable George Osborne, the unflushable George Osborne. He needs to just you know, hes got like hes got like nine jobs. Why didnt he just do one of it, do one of his nine jobs . The times who has spoken . The sunday times investment banker, podcaster. He was newspaper editor. All sorts of editor. He does all sorts of things. Hes got his fingers in many pies. Museum stuff is British Museum stuff is getting on his watch. Getting stolen on his watch. Is very true. Thanks for that is very true. Thanks for the reminder. Not the reminder. So we may not listen to what George Osborne has but he may well be has to say, but he may well be right. You see, i mean, how does rishi this around if rishi sunak turn this around if indeed the public want him to . I think, you know, well, i think, you know, there was a of attention on there was a lot of attention on there was a lot of attention on the tory sort of minor win in uxbridge. I think that showed that are some potential that there are some potential issues they can show issues where they can show themselves as different with laboun themselves as different with labour. Sorry, what was that . Labour. Sorry, what was that . You said some potential issues where they can show a bit of a gap with labour. So like green issues for instance is a good one. I mean hes kind of done that, but quite weakly. I think a policies that he a lot of the policies that he scrapped are very much in the future, not even in future, probably not even in dont have anything do dont even have anything to do with the next parliament. So not unlike which could unlike ulez, which people could see, which what won them the see, which is what won them the by election uxbridge , people by election in uxbridge, people could see that that was going to cause them real pain imminently, whereas a lot of the sort of green that sunak has green policies that sunak has rowed back on are for not another years, not for all another ten years, not for all you know, the is, so you know, the thing is, so people, relate to people. You would thought that you would have thought that immigration would be but immigration would be one. But of course, under conservative course, under the conservative government weve had record highs of immigration and highs of Legal Immigration and illegal, they talk illegal, i believe they talk a tough game when it comes to ilLegal Immigration in particular, but then we dont see any results. So there isnt that natural difference between the labour party and the conservative party on immigration, in terms immigration, at least in terms of results . Of actions and results . Well, no. And they talk up migration. The government does migration. The government does and plays up all sorts of bits of its own cruel theatre around it to try to have something to say. Because when you are the government and youve been in power for more than 13 years and most people in the country are worse off than they were 13 years ago, its going to be really hard to turn that around. Regardless of who your leader is. If they have some charisma, if any policy ideas, if theyve got any policy ideas, because 12 months to because youve got 12 months to election people need to start feeling better and theres feeling better off. And theres very evidence very little evidence that anything to and that anything to and soon that doesnt have ideas for it. Doesnt have any ideas for it. Look at their conference, his conference speech, you know, whether with the whether you agree with the policies hes announcing or not in speech, in the conference speech, theyre stuffed into theyre all stuffed well into theyre all stuffed well into the. Hes running like the future. Hes running like theoretically incremental smoking theres a vote winner, now, theres a vote winner, although maybe it is a vote winner. People hate smoking. If winner. People hate smoking. If they do it themselves, they dont do it themselves, its going to in the top. Its not going to be in the top. When someone to to the when someone goes to to the the booth year, the the polling booth next year, the number one thing the minds of number one thing in the minds of the ovennhelming majority of voters going their voters is going to be their living going living standards. Thats going to thing. And nhs to be the top thing. And the nhs is be in number 2 or is going to be in number 2 or 3 and smoking ban of course, you could say tangentially relates to nhs. No one is going to to the nhs. No one is going to think about right . Think about it, right . Well, story that caught well, one story that caught my today and its pretty my eye today and its pretty outrageous is this in the sunday times outrage as it has been revealed that a hamas fugitive who ran the groups terrorist operations in the west bank now lives wait for it in a Council Property in north london. Mohammed kassem sawalha served on the prescribed terrorist groups ruling body before leaving for the uk in the 1990s. Later gaining british citizenship and according to a 2004 Us Department of justice indictment , 2004 Us Department of justice indictment, he held secret discussions about revitalise easing terrorist acts in israel. Easing terrorist acts in israel. Now, earlier on gb news immigration minister Robert Jenrick told us people that support terrorist organisations have no place in this country. Have no place in this country. Very important to me we its very important to me and the home secretary that people who spread or people who spread hate or support proscribed terrorist organisations like hamas have no place in this country. A visa is place in this country. A visa is a special privilege. Its not an entitled agent. And if you commit comments that create hate or spread anti semitism, then you forfeit that privilege and you forfeit that privilege and you should have that visa revoked and you should be expelled from the uk. Expelled from the uk. Well, clearly, fraser , they well, clearly, fraser, they do have a place in this country and theyre given discount housing. Yeah, yeah, its outrageous. Yeah, yeah, its outrageous. Not only was he able to move into this council flat, he managed to take advantage of the right to buy scheme. I mean, whats actually interesting is in some ways hes drawn the short straw in terms of hamas leaders, you know, living in a Council Property in barnet. Hes the unlucky one because theres people like ishmael haniya, one of the long time leaders of hamas. Hes now a multi billionaire living in qatar. Promised the qatar. He promised the Palestinian People when he was elected or before he was elected that he was going to live on herbs decided to herbs and olives, decided to absorb bond and go and live a life of luxury. Theres another hamas leader who owns like a multi billion property empire, also living in in qatar. Multi billion property empire, also living in in qatar. You also living in in qatar. You know, they make all their money from of black market from the kind of black market and like that, surely. And things like that, surely. Yeah, still on the short yeah, hes still on the short straw. Strong case for deportation. Strong case for deportation. That could very well ian that could very well could be. But i think its unlikely that the British State didnt know that he was here. I mean, there are plenty obe of people linked to islamist organisations , including organisations, including militant ones, including proscribed ones who have been living in the uk. I think weve got 45,000 on the watch list for a long time and it might be that the Security Services were monitored him and they would rather have him where they could see him than not. You know, we dont know, but of course thats i mean we saw that with the Libyan Islamic fighting group, for example, before. And then they were sent back to libya to fight for the overthrow of gaddafi. And we got some significant blowback from from that well. I think obviously that as well. I think obviously if hes found to have been totally takes the mic, james i mean seriously the right to buy i mean right to buy living in a london Council Property, right to right to shouldnt to buy right to buy shouldnt exist. I to buy right to buy shouldnt exist. I mean let alone for leaders of overseas militant groups. I mean, presumably this man is in favour of a caliphate. Interesting that he chooses to live in a leafy london suburb , live in a leafy london suburb, isnt it . And in barnet as well, which has a very one of londons highest Jewish Population , which highest Jewish Population, which is quite alarming considering the views hamas has against jews. Yeah, i think often do they really want i mean, they say they want to live in a caliphate. I think they enjoy the vote with their feet. Yeah, they enjoy the luxuries. And you know , material wealth. Brazier know, material wealth. Brazier this is a question that i cant help thinking. Are we too tolerant of intolerant people . Does the west intolerant people . Does the west stand up for its values enough in the face of this kind of extreme ism . I think so. You know, i think so. You know, tolerance is a complicated word, but i think we are maybe just a bit cowardly in the face of it. We dont we dont even just call it out enough. There is a reluctance, even after even when there are islamist terror attacks in the uk, people sort of stare at their shoes a little bit. Theyre not willing to say, we like you candles and say, yeah, look back in anger yeah, dont look back in anger being the theme of, you know, the theme song. And the sort of theme song. And actually, know, we should be actually, you know, we should be very this. This is very angry about this. This is totally odds with our values, totally odds with our values, totally at odds with if it was a far right person, we would have no problem denouncing them which terror attack wont be furious about. I remember being furious about them. Whats about all of them. Whats i mean, if you look at so for instance, recently it was the anniversary of david amess killing. It was how quickly that became actually about social media. The conversation was about about people being mean to us on on twitter. Thats the part of the idiocy of our political comeback. The fact that he was an islamist seemed to not figure in the conversation. The conversation. Well come back to this. Youre listening gb youre watching listening to gb news. In the next hour, well bnng news. In the next hour, well bring reaction to bring you all the reaction to the in london the protests in london yesterday. From yesterday. The very latest from the israel hamas war. Well yesterday. The very latest from the isyou hamas war. Well yesterday. The very latest from the isyou allnas war. Well yesterday. The very latest from the isyou all ofs war. Well yesterday. The very latest from the isyou all of that. Well bring you all of that. But first, lets get the weather. Hello there. Welcome to your latest news weather forecast. Latest gb news weather forecast. Im looking im craig snell. Well, looking ahead the forthcoming week ahead to the forthcoming week and for most of us, unfortunately it is staying unset all further spells of wind and rain to come. But for now, this area of low pressure which has been responsible for the very heavy rainfall, has now cleared. Unfortunately very heavy rainfall, has now cleared areas jnfortunately very heavy rainfall, has now cleared areas of ortunately very heavy rainfall, has now cleared areas of low 1ately very heavy rainfall, has now cleared areas of low pressure further areas of low pressure are waiting in the atlantic. But back to this evening , for most back to this evening, for most of us, it should be a fairly dry and clear night perfect recipe for a chilly night, actually, especially for scotland and Northern England. Could see a widespread and after widespread frost. And after the very what weve had very wet weather, what weve had could see icy stretches. So could see some icy stretches. So just do take care if you are out and about. Could you see a few showers for Northern Ireland may just into parts of western just creep into parts of western cornwall too, but elsewhere for a dry start to the day could just few mist and fog just see a few mist and fog patches. First thing but patches. First thing too. But really its going to set us up for a largely dry picture. Best of the sunshine as we go through the the day will the course of the day will be across of scotland and across parts of scotland and northern still the risk Northern England. Still the risk of just moving into of some rain just moving into northern the far Northern Ireland and the far west of cornwall. At times. And for of us, temperatures for most of us, temperatures very similar recent days, very similar to recent days, tens twelves in the north, tens to twelves in the north, potentially up to 15 16 potentially up to 15 to 16 degrees in the south. Looking ahead to tuesday, band of rain ahead to tuesday, a band of rain will spread its way northwards dunng will spread its way northwards during the day. So during the course of the day. So fairly wet affair for good fairly wet affair for a good chunk of uk potentially chunk of the uk potentially staying for most of the day staying dry for most of the day in scotland. Unfortunately, in scotland. But unfortunately, middle of the week stays fairly unsettled for all of us. Im andrew doyle. Ill join me at 7 00 every sunday night for free speech nation. The show where i tackle weeks where i tackle the weeks biggest stories in politics and current with help of Current Affairs with the help of my panellists and my two comedian panellists and a variety special guests. Variety of special guests. Free speech nation sunday nights from seven on gb news the peoples channel, britains news hello, welcome to gb news sunday. Thank you for joining hello, welcome to gb news sunday. Thank you forjoining us sunday. Thank you for joining us this lunchtime. I am emily carver. For the next hour, ill be keeping you company on your tv online and Digital Radio. So coming up, sunak says his coming up, rishi sunak says his visit to israel showed that the uk in solidarity against uk stands in solidarity against terrorism whilst on the ground. Thousands of people have been protesting in support of palestine. Well also get the palestine. Well also get the very from our home and very latest from our home and security white on security editor mark white on the hamas war second the israel hamas war as a second convoy of trucks has crossed convoy of aid trucks has crossed the crossing, supplying the rafah crossing, supplying more to gaza. Also, more more aid to gaza. Also, more risk to life. Flood warnings risk to life. Flood warnings have been issued in england following the onslaught by storm babet. The Environment Agency babet. The Environment Agency has warned that major rivers could flooded , flooded could still be flooded, flooded until. Well be asking, until tuesday. Well be asking, is this a sign of things to come . Come and get in touch . Send us your gb at gb your thoughts on gb views at gb news. Send me a message on news. Com send me a message on our socials. Were at gb news. Keep them coming. But first, its with sophia. Good afternoon. Its 2 00. Im sofia wenzel in the newsroom. Israels prime in the newsroom. Israels Prime Minister has told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Against hamas is do or die for his country. Benjamin netanyahus comments come as the military prepares to launch another offensive in gaza following overnight airstrikes. The palestinian Health Ministry says 266 palestinians, palestinians , including 117 palestinians, including 117 children, have been killed in the past 24 hours. Israel has issued an urgent warning to residents in the north of the strip, telling them to head south or they may be identified as sympathisers of a terrorist organisation. Idf spokesman Lieutenant Colonel peter lerner says forces are only targeted. Says forces are only targeted. Hamas, we know, extends lviv how extensive their tunnel mechanisms is , is and how they mechanisms is, is and how they are operating and using them. So were confident that we have good intelligence, but the realm of warfare is the, urn, its not the known knowns, its the unknowns , the unknown knowns. Unknowns, the unknown knowns. And so we know that we have a brutal enemy. We dont know exactly what theyre doing. We exactly what theyre doing. We have a good grasp of their operational capabilities and we need to confront that. And remove that as if it was a tumour. Tumour. Former head of the Palestinian Diplomatic Mission to the uk, Manuel Hassassian, says he Still Believes its a two state solution. Two state solution. Dont try to put us off, you know, all in a frame that we are terrorists as palestinians. Terrorists as palestinians. There is a difference between the Palestinian People who want peace and security and there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority, which is the legitimate, legitimate representative of the Palestinian People who believe in a two state solution, who have condemned violence all along the question is, can israel stop state terrorism on equal basis . Thats the question equal basis . Thats the question. Crossing on the gaza border with egypt. With egypt. Security and humanitarian sources say a second convoy of 17 aid trucks has entered gaza. 17 aid trucks has entered gaza. Yesterday, 20 trucks carrying suppues yesterday, 20 trucks carrying supplies were allowed into the strip for the first time in two weeks. Violence in the region is spreading, with israel launching airstrikes in the occupied west bank at a compound beneath a mosque in the jenin refugee camp was hit. The Israeli Military claims it was being used by militants to organise attacks. Militants to organise attacks. Palestinian medics say two people were killed and several others injured and two fresh danger to life. Weather warnings danger to life. Weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire as water levels continue to rise as it comes, as Police Believe a woman in her 80s has died as a result of flooding in chesterfield. The discovery of her body brings the total number of people whove died during storm babet to four. Floods are still affecting parts of the uk, including yorkshire, scotland, east and the east east anglia and the east midlands. Meteorologist jon hammond says even though the rain has stopped, rivers are still overflow ing. The dennent is extraordinarily high and that bulge of floodwater has got to work its way down through the trent. So through the trent for example, and other larger catchments across northern and eastern britain, that bulge of floodwater has got to work its way down towards the sea. So Environment Agency flood warnings are still extensive of, but certainly from midweek onward , it doesnt look pretty onward, it doesnt look pretty weather wise. What we really weather wise. What we really want is a week or two of dry, settled, crisp autumn weather. Thatis settled, crisp autumn weather. That is not what were going to get. Getting more get. Were getting a lot more rain. Rain. A search and rescue operation is undennay off ramsgate following reports a man on a Passenger Ship fell overboard. Passenger ship fell overboard. The alarm was raised just before 9 00 this morning. Lifeboats supported by a helicopter are now scouring the area. And well have more on this story as it develops. Manchester united has develops. Manchester united has opened a book of condolence for fans of old trafford following the death of sir Bobby Charlton. The death of sir Bobby Charlton. He was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966. Flowers and football t shirts have been laid outside Manchester Uniteds stadium. Manchester uniteds stadium. United players wore a black armband for their game against Sheffield United last night, and the club says hell always be remembered as a giant of the game. Former remembered as a giant of the game. Former england manager Sam Allardyce paid tribute to his kindness as he was a great ambassador for Manchester United and a great ambassador for football and england and such and such a kind person. And such a kind person. I think thats what everybody is. Tribute is explaining to what a great, great guy he was, what a contribution he made to football for england and for Manchester United. And of course , as a youngster, i watched him in the World Cup Final on my black and white tv at the time, all those years ago. But it was all those years ago. But it was a pleasure to know him. Every time i went to old trafford, hed have a with hed stop and have a chat with you. You. This is gb news across the uk , on tv, in your car, on your Digital Radio and on your smart speaken Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker. By saying play gb news now its back to gb news. Sunday now its back to gb news. Sunday thank you sophia. Now the Prime Minister has said middle east leaders have agreed we need to do Everything Possible to prevent the spread of the war. Rishi said his visit to rishi sunak said his visit to israel showed the uk stands in solidarity terrorism solidarity against terrorism and that justification that theres no justification for atrocities committed by for the atrocities committed by hamas. On the ground hamas. Meanwhile, on the ground here, thousands of people have been support of been protesting in support of palestine the next couple palestine and in the next couple of protest in solidarity of hours a protest in solidarity with will take place. Now with israel will take place. Now i want to bring in my panel because i think weve got a bit of difficult here. On the one of a difficult here. On the one hand, youve got Robert Jenrick , hand, youve got Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister saying that chanting jihad on the streets of london is completely reprehensible. And never want reprehensible. And i never want to see scenes like that. But on the other hand, fraser, you have the other hand, fraser, you have the metropolitan police saying that no offences were identified in a video of an extreme protest out in Central London where there was a man chanting exactly that jihad. There was a man chanting exactly thatjihad. So its very difficult because weve got strong rhetoric coming from government ministers. And then government ministers. And then actually the police are saying , actually the police are saying, hang on, no offence is here. Yeah and that seems to be the sort of story of a lot of actually issues with the current conservative administration. You hear rhetoric about hear strong rhetoric about immigration then really immigration and then not really any enforcement. For any kind of enforcement. For instance, yeah , as we instance, i think, yeah, as we were saying earlier, the met police is probably prioritising , police is probably prioritising, i dont know, Community Cohesion or Something Like that or they think theyre prioritising that by not taking action because they wouldnt have the same reluctance to take action if it were someone in, you know, saying something rude on social media, for instance , or, you media, for instance, or, you know, any other march , you see a know, any other march, you see a lot more. You tend to see a lot more arrests. Im not in favour of mass arrests or things like that. Im not in favour of the police cracking down on free speech. But there is that just feels so very obviously a double standard here. Know, people standard here. You know, people saying jihad. Saying people shouting jihad. And you know, so and in terms of, you know, so you dont think you should be arrested. Well, if youre waving the flag of an Islamist Group thats prescribed the states. Yes. Prescribed in the states. Yes. Not then calling not here. But then also calling for muslim armies is to is very is very on jihad. And i think the other you know, to contrast it actually its not just with you know, people saying mean things on social media. People might have seen the video of the campaign for anti semitism. They these anti semitism. They had these sort billboard trucks showing sort of billboard trucks showing this was earlier this week, you know, showing some of the children whod been kidnapped by hamas and police told them hamas. And the police told them to the you know, turn to turn off the you know, turn off the billboards , get out of off the billboards, get out of london. You might charged london. You might be charged with the peace. So, with a breach of the peace. So, yeah, clearly there is a double standard here where it simply showing the victims of hamas can, you know, alert the police to do something, can, you know, alert the police to do something , whereas to do something, whereas shouting jihad and holding up banners calling for muslim armies. Yeah, im glad you armies. Yeah, im glad you raised sit on there. Im glad you raised that issue. Im glad you raised that issue. We saw was it on friday . Issue. We saw was it on friday . I think maybe there was this thursday night anti anti Semitism Group that had a billboard on a van and they were going around Central London and it had images of israelis who have been kidnapped, probably including us and uk nationals. And they were stopped by the police and told to essentially go away, turn off the pictures on the side of this van and for their own safety , we should the their own safety, we should the police not have been more concerned with those who may be putting these jewish peoples safety at risk . James, this is safety at risk . James, this is the first ive heard of it, but that sounds like absurd policing. I think, you know, very clearly people should have the right to drive around and do that if its described in the way that it was one of those neon lights, you know, the light lit up ones. Yeah. Like for a political. Yeah, for a political campaign. I mean, that sounds like decision. And like a stupid decision. And i think that , you know, like think that, you know, like fraser, think we should on the fraser, i think we should on the side of freedom of speech and shutting down that that sort of thing seems absurd. Now, i dont know the details. Maybe theres know the details. Maybe theres Something Else i dont know about it, but from what youve said, that sounds totally bonkers, right . To speak to well, were going to speak to gb Political Correspondent gb news Political Correspondent olivia central olivia utley, who is in Central London. Also at the london. She was also at the protest yesterday. Now at protest yesterday. Now shes at trafalgar ahead the Trafalgar Square ahead of the israeli solidarity protest. Olivia thank you very much for joining me. Can i just get your what has been the political reaction to the protests . We saw yesterday . The police say up to 100, 100,000 people took to the streets in Central London alone. What have the government been saying . Well there have been saying . Well there have been there were two different protests that were taking place on the streets yesterday. I was at the main protest, which made its way from marble arch to whitehall, and that arch down to whitehall, and that was peaceful. There was mainly peaceful. There werent arrests. The crowd wasnt chanting anything anti semitic. Then there was another protest, the one which caused all of the problems, which was organised by basically an arms length body of hamas. An arms length body of hamas. And it was there that we saw those awful, awful scenes. And weve heard some condemnation from the government. But as yet it seems as though people are sort of waiting a bit for the dust to settle and to find out exactly what went on. I was there. There were almost 100,000 protesters about protesters there, about a thousand police. And its very, very difficult to get truth very difficult to get the truth of exactly what was going on today. Im back in Trafalgar Square for the for the pro israel rally. This people pro israel rally. This is people being asked to asked to come along in support of the 200 odd hostages who were taken in israel on the 7th of october, just over two weeks ago. Now, of course, two of those hostages, two israeli women, two american israeli women have been released. Thats thought to be just hamas, hoping to sort of garner some some goodwill among the us and among europe. But that still leaves 200 hostages, some of whom are babies , some of some of whom are babies, some of whom are under a year old, then others who are in their 90s many with complicated conditions that were starting to hear about. There are Cancer Patients there , there are Cancer Patients there, people transplants. People with kidney transplants. We heard about that girl with autism very tragically autism who very tragically has now. And so the rally is now died. And so the rally is taking place here in solidarity with them. Now, its not due to start for another couple of hours, but as youll see so far , hours, but as youll see so far, we dont have the same sort of numbers as as we saw for the pro Palestine Rally yesterday. Pro Palestine Rally yesterday. B ut pro Palestine Rally yesterday. But there are an awful lot of police and ive spoken to police here. And ive spoken to some police who say that theyre expecting have to security expecting to have to do security checks the national checks up by the National Gallery behind to sure gallery behind me to make sure that pro hamas supporters that no pro hamas supporters manage infiltrate their way manage to infiltrate their way into this grouping. So what time did you say it starts . 4 00. It starts at 4 00 and ill be back with you then to talk more about it. Fantastic i wont be here, but whoever is on after me nana, i believe it is, will be talking to you to see whats going on and well come back to you later on to now, shall i bring in my panel here . I believe i have some time to. Yes. Yes, i do. Excellent. Okay, fraser. There we go. So an fraser. There we go. So an israeli solidarity march of sorts is going to take place in in london, presumably , it will in london, presumably, it will be a smaller affair. Judging by the fact that behind olivia utley you couldnt see anyone yet. Its scheduled to start at 4 00 pm. I mean, what to ask really . What do you suspect that it will look like . I suspect i mean, because there have been some israeli and or jewish visuals showing solidarity , just as there have solidarity, just as there have been, you know, in relation to palestine. And they have tended to be smaller, theyve tended to be sort of quieter. Affairs tend to reflective, focussed to be more reflective, focussed on the victims of hamas. So so i think, yeah, it does worry me slightly. I mean, whatever you think of the middle eastern question, im a bit disappointed with the lack of solid parity with the lack of solid parity with sort of, i dont know, jewish people in general. I jewish people in general. I think because this is we have seen a sort of rise in anti semitism thanks to the tensions in the middle east, which is, you know, its appalling really, even to think about what even just to think about what has do with anyone who has it got to do with anyone who well, by some accounts, should anyone for what anyone be blamed for what happens there . Over 1,000 happens over there . Over 1,000 increase in anti semitic incidents, that incidents, at least those that are anyway. Are reported anyway. Do you also think that james, do you also think that there hasnt been enough of an outpouring of support for jewish communities . Weve heard stories of under attack. Of schools being under attack. Weve heard, you know, heard personal anecdotes from jewish people unsafe or as if people feeling unsafe or as if they are a target in this country. Country. Well, no one should be the target of anti semitic attacks. And if there are threats to schools or synagogues or anything like that, then the security should be upped. And those institutions should receive state support for that. But lets not fold in and suggest that all jewish people are supportive of the policies that are being carried out by israel and that there is a 1 to 1 correlation. Yesterday i was on the very peaceful, large march for a ceasefire. Will you be at this march this afternoon . I wont be at. Why not . Well, firstly , its the first ive firstly, its the first ive heard about it, so i dont have any plans for it. But but also significantly, the reason why i was on the march yesterday is because my government, the because as my government, the british supporting British Government is supporting israels actions. And so that if you want peace, you have to call for a ceasefire. And so im pressuring the British Government, which isnt supporting hamas , but is supporting hamas, but is supporting hamas, but is supporting is supporting israel. And i was on a block yesterday a jewish block on on the march yesterday with jewish people that want peace that were calling for a ceasefire. Now now. And i think that we shouldnt try to suggest that all you know all jews support the policies of israel. No, but if in order to get to some kind of peaceful settlement , aunt of sorts should surely being out in support of israeli people and jewish communities that feel affected by, well, the number of hostages and the barbaric killings of innocent israeli civilians , probably as a israeli civilians, probably as a good way of showing support for peace, to know , particularly peace, to know, particularly when its hamas, who are the perpetrators . Well, actually , perpetrators . Well, actually, no, because as i said , the no, because as i said, the British Government who we can have some influence over here, isnt supporting hamas is in no way complicit with hamas atrocities, but is complicit with israeli war crimes. So if you want peace, which i very much do, do, then i can protest in support of ending the ceasefire. Now now, i dont know if the protests later on is also saying, lets have a ceasefire and negotiate the end of the hostages. Now, if it were that that demand that would be that would be a different thing. But i dont know because its the first time im hearing about it. I just think the i mean, the israeli Defence Forces would of course, not course, say that they are not committing and that committing war crimes and that they are warning people to evacuate. Evacuate the area in order reduce number of order to reduce the number of civilian according to civilian deaths, according to International Legal scholars. We shall on, shall see. Right. Moving on, tributes to pour for tributes continue to pour in for sir Bobby Charlton, who has died sadly the age his sadly at the age of 86. His family said he passed peacefully in yesterday. Family said he passed peacefully in morning, yesterday. Family said he passed peacefully in morning, he yesterday. Family said he passed peacefully in morning, he yeste of y. Today morning, he was, of course, a key member of englands world winning Team Englands World Cup Winning Team in a legend at in 1966 and a club legend at Manchester United. Team in a Manchester United. My team in a statement, described sir statement, united, described sir bobby one the greatest and bobby as one of the greatest and most players most beloved players in the history sir geoff history of the club. Sir geoff hurst, now the last of the 1966 team, said hell be sorely missed by all of the country. Well, now speak with well, we can now speak with sports jacobs. Sports journalist ben jacobs. Ben, you very much. Across ben, thank you very much. Across most of the front pages are pictures of sir bobby, 1937 to 2023, the sun on sunday says a hero to the whole world. Yeah, a hero to the whole world. A giant of footballers. Manchester united put it and think that Bobby Charlton transcended football in many ways. We know about him winning the world cup in 1966. He was influential in that final because he was asked to man mark franz beckenbauer. He scored both of the goals in the world cup semi final. He scored 249 goals for Manchester United. But goals for Manchester United. But then even after he stopped playing, he came back to the Football Club and was a big influence and part of the sir Alex Ferguson era as well. So he was a Manchester United stalwart and part of that clubs fabric from the busby babes all the way through to sir Alex Ferguson. And i think that his flamboyance and swagger on the football field was juxtapose posed in stark contrast with his kind and humble personality. So he will humble personality. So he will be sorely missed. And thats why so many Manchester United fans have come out to sign the condolence book, which is currently active at the Football Club an amazing life and an amazing legacy. Looking the sun on im just looking the sun on sunday seems to have some absolutely excellent coverage of his life and some of the his life and also some of the comments made since by some of the greatest players. David beckham saying i will i will be forever grateful to a man who was a hero. Youve also got gary was a hero. Youve also got gary lineker here a truly lineker here saying a truly wonderful footballer and a lovely as you say. And lovely man, as you say. And Prince William saying Prince William even saying a true great who will be remembered forever. Thank you. Remembered forever. Thank you. Yeah. Theres just so many ways that you can look at his life and his personality, including , life and his personality, including, of life and his personality, including , of course, after he including, of course, after he stopped playing , he was stopped playing, he was campaigning against dementia and more Research Needed in football. He unfortunately suffered from that. He diagnosed in 2020. That. He was diagnosed in 2020. Theres sir Bobby Charlton theres the sir Bobby Charlton foundation, which will live on and part of his legacy. And be part of his legacy. Theres his incredible shot from distance , which had so much distance, which had so much power on it. And we saw that against mexico, for example, in the 1966 world cup. Theres the munich air disaster and how he was so brave to recover from that. And stay in the game. He lost of his colleagues lost eight of his colleagues that were playing with him in 23 people total. And that people in total. And that affected profoundly. So affected him profoundly. So there were so many different areas that influenced the areas that he influenced the game many current manchester game and many current Manchester United players and ones like david say that he David Beckham say that he was their heir at carrington. Manchester uniteds training facility, constantly meeting new signings, constantly in the dressing room. And it almost became something that was taken for granted. He was there after every offering every match, offering congratulations or commiserations. Throughout commiserations. So throughout his , not just as a his whole life, not just as a player, he was obviously a huge part Manchester United of part of Manchester United of england and of football. Thank you very much indeed. Ben jacobs, sports journalist. The legacy of sir. Based on the legacy of sir Bobby Charlton there. Thank you for time. Thank you very for your time. Thank you very much. Keep keep your do you much. Keep keep your what do you remember sir Bobby Charlton, remember of sir Bobby Charlton, absolute. Legend absolute football legend. Legend by any by any means. Youre watching and listening to gb news me, emily news sunday with me, emily carver, measure what carver, by any measure is what i meant. Get the latest from meant. Well get the latest from the israel hamas war, palestine ions to move ions have been warned to move south being as south or risk being seen as terrorist sympathisers, as the anticipated Israeli Offensive nears. Of that and more to nears. All of that and more to come. Youre watching and listening news, britains listening to gb news, britains news channel. The Camilla Tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. Gb news. Gb news. Welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. Now for a second day in a row, trucks carrying aid have crossed the rafah boarding border to provide much supplies to provide much needed supplies to gaza. Israels gaza. Meanwhile, israels military urgent military has sent an urgent warning to palestinians to move south of the gaza strip or risk being seen as terrorist sympathisers. The urgent message was Israel Defence was sent by israel Defence Forces to peoples mobile phones and also leaflets across the and also via leaflets across the gaza strip. So joining us live from tel aviv is gb news home and security editor mark white. Mark, thank you for joining and security editor mark white. Mark, thank you forjoining me mark, thank you for joining me is that humanitarian aid getting to where it needs to go . To where it needs to go . Well, this is the concern that actually some of that aid thats coming across may well fall into the hands of hamas. Thats the concern that israel has because, of course, hamas controls the gaza strip and thats why we have seen in the trucks a small number of trucks , trucks a small number of trucks, relatively speaking, that have crossed so far. 20 yesterday, 17 today, we have seen more fuel trucks that at the moment is a no go for israel because they said that fuel would be used by hamas. However of course, Health Officials in gaza say its desperately needed in the hospitals all across the gaza strip. And we know that there strip. And we know that there has been an intensification of the airstrikes in northern gaza overnight as dozens more targets were struck by the israelis. The were struck by the israelis. The hamas controlled gaza Health Ministry has said that some 266 people have been killed in the last 24 hours. Now, elsewhere in israel, the latest were hearing is that the Prime Minister, benjamin netanyahu, has been touring troops near the lebanese border. Hes issued a strong border. Hes issued a strong message to hezbollah. The iran message to hezbollah. The iran backed terror group in southern lebanon, saying that it would be making the mistake of its life if it decided to open a second front in this war. Now, he said that the retaliatory response from israel would be off a an unimaginable magnitude. So unimaginable magnitude. So clearly some real concern here about the potential for this conflict widen out and that all really depends on the likes of hezbollah and whether they move from what is now occasional missile fire across the border into something more sustained. Into something more sustained. And that would be an altogether more horrific. Movement if that more horrific. Movement if that was to take place. Development but in this particular conflict act, one other piece of news, i think to report, and that is the capture of hamas terrorists, two weeks, more than two weeks now, after those attacks on the 7th of october, this man had been hiding out in southern israel. Hiding out in southern israel. He was tracked actually, because hed stolen a vehicle. That hed stolen a vehicle. That vehicle was monitored by a civilian Security Company , and civilian Security Company, and theyd noticed some unusual movements of the vehicle in what should have been an othennise restricted area. This man has now been captured and hes in custody and being interviewed by israeli security. Israeli security. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you very much indeed. Mark white there, our Home Security editor, bringing us the very latest from tel aviv in israel. Thank you for your time, mark. Well, ive got my panel in with me at the moment. Now, a lot of lot was covered there by mark, really just bringing us the very latest. Fraser when it comes humanitarian aid, comes to the humanitarian aid, which will get to the which hopefully will get to the people who desperately need it rather the hands of rather than go into the hands of hamas the Terror Organisation hamas, the Terror Organisation an and be used for whatever , we an and be used for whatever, we dont know. But also talking about how this conflict is opening up in different areas. Now we have the northern border, lebanon, syria also. Yeah , you know, thats the yeah, you know, thats the most sort of terrifying prospect of this for the deeper involvement of iran in particular iran, who backs hezbollah and, you know, given some backing to hamas. Its not its not clear how much knowledge the iranians had of the operation of the terror attacks. Its not even clear, attacks. Its not even clear, perhaps, how many lower down hamas has had had an idea of that. But certainly the thats what we should be worried about, this spilling out into to the wider region. Well, were looking live at the israel lebanon border there and what looks like plumes of smoke , severe risk of escalation smoke, severe risk of escalation , full regional conflict here. Yes. And it was reported in the New York Times yesterday that yoav galant, the defence minister, was lobbying for a pre emptive strike against hezbollah, expanding the war into into another country, which of course would be a disaster going back to what mark white was saying about the humanitarian situation and the fear of things getting into the wrong hands already since the israeli bombing begun , there are israeli bombing begun, there are 29 un refugee workers who have been killed in the bombing. The infrastructure for supporting life has been eviscerated and hospitals have been bombed. Medicine cant get through has been shut off. Theres been you know, they shut off the electricity and the fuels. So anybody who is in an incubator or kidney dialysis or anything like that cant cant have those things. So the humanitarian situation is incredibly urgent and there is not enough theres nowhere near enough humanitarian aid that is getting in. But there can never be enough humanity , an aid getting in if humanity, an aid getting in if it is coupled with turning gaza to rubble. There is you can never have enough aid if a scrap of land that is ten kilometres wide is bombed back into being rubble and a tent city. So thats why the call for ceasefire now is the most important thing that anybody can be saying, because without a ceasefire, immediately there will be an even worse humanitarian situation and there can never be any peace. Is there for easy us, though, here in this warm studio in london to talk about a ceasefire . What are the hopes of that . . What are the hopes of that . I think i think very slim. I mean, we know that israel is planning a ground invasion, air invasion, an all out assault on gaza. And were still waiting for that to happen. So i dont think anything, you know, until that has happened, until they feel satisfied, died that they have with the terror have dealt with the terror threat. I you know , prospects of threat. I you know, prospects of a ceasefire are very slim. A ceasefire are very slim. Yeah, well, exactly what happens if israel puts down their weapons then . Yeah, then well then theyre theyre inviting themselves to be killed. So thats thats not going to happen , unfortunately. Going to happen, unfortunately. You its obviously you know, its obviously Everyone Wants to see peace. Everyone wants to see a resolution. But you know, this conflict has been going on for 75 its not going to be 75 years. Its not going to be happening overnight anytime soon. Well, well see. All calls for a ceasefire are naive when it comes to this conflict. Let it comes to this conflict. Let me know what you think at home. Youre watching and listening to tv news sunday. Pardon or just orjust tv news sunday. Pardon or just or just gb tv news sunday. Pardon or just orjust gb news tv news sunday. Pardon or just or just gb news sunday with me, emily carver. Weve got lots more coming up on todays show, including survey has including a survey which has found than 50 of found that more than 50 of people have been to back people have been found to back the claim that people have been found to back the surge claim that people have been found to back the surge in claim that people have been found to back the surge in migrants claim that people have been found to back the surge in migrants arriving at the surge in migrants arriving illegally on boats in the illegally on small boats in the channel is an invasion. So first, the. News first, heres the. News its 232. Im sophia wenzler in the newsroom. Um, israels in the newsroom. Um, israels Prime Minister has told troops the war against hamas is do or die for his country. Benjamin netanyahus comments come as the military prepares to launch another offensive in gaza after two mosques were destroyed in overnight airstrikes. Israel has issued an urgent warning to residents in the north of the strip, telling them to head south or they might be identified as sympathisers a identified as sympathisers of a terrorist organisation. These are live pictures of the rafah crossing of the gaza border border with Egypt Security and humanitarian sources say a second convoy of 17 aid trucks has now entered gaza. Yesterday, has now entered gaza. Yesterday, 20 trucks carrying supplies were allowed into the strip for the first time in two weeks. Two new danger to life weather warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet severe flood warnings are in place around the river idle near retford in nottinghamshire , retford in nottinghamshire, which is expected to reach record levels as the number of people whove died during the storm four after storm has risen to four after police the body of an 80 police found the body of an 80 year chesterfield , a man , year old in chesterfield, a man, chester united, has opened a book of condolence for fans at the old trafford following the death of sir Bobby Charlton. Flowers and football shirts have been laid outside the united stadium. The club says he will always be remembered as a giant of game. And you can get of the game. And you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website , gbnews. Com visiting our website, gbnews. Com company right through until 7 00 this evening. Gb news the peoples. Channel peoples. Channel welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. Im on your tv online and radio. Now more risk to life. Flood warnings have been issued in england in the wake of storm babet as have been babet as homes have been evacuated. Train services disrupted shall we go and speak to who are we speaking to is if we got jack carson again. No we gotjack carson again. No nathan roe. We can speak with weather journalist nathan row nato. Can you give me an idea of nato. Can you give me an idea of the destruction that has been caused by this flooding, by this storm . Barbette yes, of course. This is turning out to be possibly one of the most significant rainstorms since 2020 with storm dennis. And this is what what the red warning from the met office was was really warning about up to two months worth of rain falling in a very short amount of time. Thats 24 hours. And this is exactly what weve seen. And weve seen thousands, thousands of homes left without power. Of homes left without power. Tragically, people have lost their during this storm their lives during this storm and there are still numerous flood alerts , flood warnings and flood alerts, flood warnings and severe flood warnings out across scotland and across england from the english Environment Agency , the english Environment Agency, certainly today and will for be the next couple of days as this , the next couple of days as this, you know, flooding situation eases. However the bad news is that although the rain has stopped today, storm babet has now passed over the united kingdom. There is more rain on the way from tomorrow coming in from the south and from midweek. Again in scotland. So were looking at a very dangerous penod looking at a very dangerous period of weather. Weve had a dangerous period of weather. Its going to continue to be disruptive throughout the week and possibly throughout to the end the so it is worth end of the month. So it is worth keeping an eye on. Metoffice weather warnings and Environment Agency flood warnings as this unsettled weather progresses. So, nathan , we could see more so, nathan, we could see more heavy rainfall in those areas that have already been so badly affected. Affected. Yes, absolutely unfortunate. Yes, absolutely unfortunate. Certainly from tomorrow there is another low pressure system. And whether were talking about whether were talking about whether rain this time of whether and rain at this time of yean whether and rain at this time of year, looking at low year, always looking at low pressure systems coming in from year, always looking at low preswest. ;ystems coming in from year, always looking at low preswest. There s coming in from year, always looking at low preswest. There is oming in from year, always looking at low preswest. There is anothern from the west. There is another coming from the south coming in from the south tomorrow, midweek, tomorrow, but from midweek, there one going to be there is one thats going to be affecting as well. Affecting east scotland as well. So area thats so this is the area thats really borne brunt of the really borne the brunt of the flooding over the past 24 hours where the majority of the risk is still in place there is is still in place and there is going further heavy rain. Going to be further heavy rain. Were just very unsettled were just in a very unsettled pattern the pattern of weather at the moment. Storm babet was moment. Now, storm babet was unusualin moment. Now, storm babet was unusual in that it was blocked over so it dumped quite over the uk, so it dumped quite a lot of rain. We always like storms quite fast moving, storms to be quite fast moving, but they stall over uk, but when they stall over the uk, which happened with which is what happened with storm unload a lot storm babet, they unload a lot of water in a very short amount of water in a very short amount of time this whats of time and this is whats causing the flooding now. There is weather is further unsettled weather coming. Not expecting coming. Were not expecting it to know , the same as to be, you know, the same as storm babet, because of the storm babet, but because of the flooding situation there and because river levels that because of the river levels that are and the are now very high and the groundwater the water, the groundwater and the water, the water, the ground waterlogged water, the ground is waterlogged , be an , there is going to be an ongoing of flooding in ongoing risk of flooding in those same areas. Oh, dear. Well, thank very much for well, thank you very much for bringing us the very latest, nathan roe there, weather journalist, not looking great for of our country. For large areas of our country. I mean, we were just looking at pictures there for the benefit of radio listeners of our radio listeners of essentially streets essentially whole streets becoming and buses being becoming rivers and buses being flooded with people on them and cars being unable to cross large areas of water. An absolute nightmare. So let me know if nightmare. So let me know if youre living in one of those areas affected. Truly awful. This weather and the damage that it has caused. But were going it has caused. But were going to move Something Else to move on to Something Else that eye this week. That caught my eye this week. Shoplifters they could be tagged and be spared future and be spared jail in future under considered by under plans being considered by the government so thieves would be gps, ankle be fitted with gps, ankle bracelets by domestic bracelets worn by domestic abusers burglars. Usually so abusers and burglars. Usually so Police Movements at police could track movements at all times, as well as act as a deterrent. So lets speak to former met senior investigating officer Peter Kirkham. Peter, officer Peter Kirkham. Peter, thank you very much for joining me. We often hear about tagging people. Why do you think that people. Why do you think that this would help in the case of shoplifting . Ring it might well do in some cases, but the difficulty with tagging is that you need the people to monitor it for it to be of any use and to follow up any breaches or any suspicions that arise from monitoring that, tagging. Monitoring that, tagging. Its not new in so many words because its been around for other offences for some time. Other offences for some time. But um, it , other offences for some time. But um, it, it would be new for shoplifting specific hinckley. Um it would be particularly useful, i think , where useful, i think, where a shoplifter was banned from a particular wide area. I think if were talking about individual streets in the individual shops in the high street, im not sure the precision of the tracking would put them in the shop as opposed to in the high street. Opposed to in the high street. It would only be a starter for ten for the investigation. Youd need to follow it up with cctv from the shop or whatever to confirm that it was them committing the offence. Peter a lot of people are complaining that shoplifting has become all but decriminalised , become all but decriminalised, and in this country weve seen shoplifting rise at such a tremendous rate. Why do you tremendous rate. Why do you think that is . Think that is . Its a variety of reasons, emily. Its not just shoplifting. Theres a huge number of criminal offences, including some quite serious criminal offences that that i wouldnt personally use the term decriminalised because they still very much are criminal offences , but the police have offences, but the police have not got the resources to follow them up to the levels required by todays criminal Justice System and the police have got finite resources on any particular day or over any particular day or over any particular sort of month or yean particular sort of month or year, and they need to prioritise within that. They cant do everything within that and so lower level offences and non contact shoplifting where someones walked in and helped himself to something and walked out again without any threats of violence or anything like that would be. And usually in the lower end of seriousness. And so dont get followed up. They dont get followed up. They dont make the cut. Well, thank you very much indeed for your time. Peter kirkham, former senior kirkham, former met senior investigating officer , giving investigating officer, giving his opinion really on on the whole, shoplifting issue. Fraser, let me ask you, fraser myers from spike magazine , do myers from spike magazine, do you think that shoplifting has become decriminalised . I mean, peter talks about a lack of resources and that these people are still criminal, but if they dont face the Justice System, then are they . Well, yeah, effectively it has. I mean, rise in the has. I mean, the rise in the last few years has been extraordinary. And it seems as if the police dont particularly take seriously, know , take seriously, you know, offences where i think its essentially if you steal less than £200 worth of goods in one 9 than £200 worth of goods in one go, you know, you might not even get a slap on the wrist. Probably wont even be followed up. Its interesting. Theyre up. So its interesting. Theyre talking about tagging people, but if but youre thinking, well, if people arent even arrested in the first place, what difference what difference does it make . You know, seen there was you know, youve seen there was i it was the justice i think it was the Justice Minister came few weeks minister came out a few weeks ago telling ordinary people that they intervene make they should intervene and make citizens arrests where the police take action. I police dont take action. I mean, you know , how realistic is mean, you know, how realistic is that . I think , yeah, the problem that . I think, yeah, the problem is that the police over a whole range of crimes are things are just not being solved. Things just not being solved. Things are not being followed up. Are just not being followed up. I mean, it wasnt too long ago that we heard from the government from chief government and also from chief constables were going government and also from chief co investigate were going government and also from chief co investigate every were going government and also from chief co investigate every single going to investigate every single crime, you low crime, including, you know, low level which , of course, level offences which, of course, for lot of people dont feel for a lot of people dont feel low level. And if you own a small shop or you own a Small Business people going business where people are going in things day to in and nicking things day to day, it like a pretty day, it feels like a pretty major crime. Day, it feels like a pretty major crime. Um, day, it feels like a pretty major crime. Um, yeah. Major crime. Um, yeah. I mean, the government like on so many things will come up with some tough , tough talking with some tough, tough talking headune with some tough, tough talking headline and then some eye grabbing thing. Yeah, no, were going to tag all of them. Dont worry. Its going to be really tough. Were going to be really tough. Were going to be really tough. Were going to all of them and going to tag all of them and then you scratch the then you scratch just the faintest surface. And faintest bit of the surface. And you we heard from peter you know, we heard from Peter Kirkham there saying, well, its not really and there arent not really new and there arent the to follow it up. The resources to follow it up. So in some so sure, maybe in some circumstances, basically circumstances, but basically isnt any isnt going to make any difference. Think thats difference. And i think thats the that got. The the problem that weve got. The government of running government is sort of running around thinking, well, if around and thinking, well, if we say very tough things say very tough sounding things and in a gimmick a and we throw in a gimmick or a bit cruelty with it, well bit of cruelty with it, well get the next that get through the next day. That will us enough media will give us enough Media Coverage for the next day, rather than dealing of rather than dealing with any of the issues which are, the underlying issues which are, broadly of their own making. Were facing a do you think were facing a lamis style . Jean valjean needing of bread needing to steal a loaf of bread because he was starving . Or do you think about criminal you think this is about criminal gangs retailers . Gangs abusing retailers . I think it is a bit of a myth in the modern world that, yes, jean valjean situation or aladdin as well. Didnt he steal bread got caught . No. A lot bread and got caught . No. A lot of the things that are being shoplifted not food items. Shoplifted are not food items. Theyre basically non perishable goods. And so people will actually use the example of baby formula to say, look , hungry formula to say, look, hungry parents stealing for their children. Actually, the reason that gets stolen, babies hungry babies with their parents and hungry parents, too. But actually, the reason that gets stolen is because it has resale value. Lasts a long time. A value. It lasts a long time. A lot of yeah, a lot of shoplifting is organised through gangs , whereas i think, you know gangs, whereas i think, you know , people who are hard up and there is no question theres a lot of hard up people in the country now. They tend to do, you know, go to food banks. They go to friends, they go to family, they people dont generally just turn to criminals because they on hard ship. Because they fall on hard ship. Yeah, ive seen some debates going on, mostly among left wing commentators. Arguing commentators. Id say, arguing that shoplifting can be justified because of the cost of living crisis. Do you buy that idea . I idea . I mean, i think you could construct a circumstance where it is, for example , lets say it is, for example, lets say theres no way that you can get food for your child, etcetera, etcetera. Im sure theres an example that we would all say, okay, fine. You can see in that circumstance, youve been such a terrible, a terrible terrible, such a terrible position. I dont really think we should having kind of we should be having a kind of culture war over the debts culture war fight over the debts of poverty that some people are in some criminality in or that some criminality thats which might thats thats done which might be difficult for some for some Small Businesses. Clearly there are a whole range of issues. Some of it is to do with cuts to the police, some of its to do with cuts to Community Centres and youth centres things and youth centres and things that gangs. Some of it is that stop gangs. Some of it is to do with poverty. All of those to do with poverty. All of those things to looked at and things need to be looked at and a lot of it comes to down resourcing and weve had a cutting back of state provision in a whole range of things over the last 13 years and in ways that has often been extremely short sighted because weve made small savings today and weve stored up bigger problems for tomorrow. And you sit in area after area after area, and really thats what has to be addressed. And the reason why its difficult to address it is youve weve you know, weve undercut ourselves and now weve got the money in. It got to put the money in. It feels weve got bit of a feels like weve got a bit of a societal breakdown going on at the moment. To depress you. Of sorry to depress you. Of course, so many course, there are so many factors the rise in shoplift factors for the rise in shoplift , you both mentioned , but as you both mentioned, its not just shoplifting, its many other types of crimes that are on the rise. Yes police resources. We need more Police Officers on the streets. But also, people committing also, why are people committing more just that more crimes . Is it just that they they can get away they think they can get away with it . Because you can with so many serious and many crimes serious and non serious, were going to non serious, but were going to move on to our last story of the show. More than half of britons have found to back the home have been found to back the home secretarys the surge in secretarys claim the surge in migrants illegally on migrants arriving illegally on small the channel an small boats in the channel is an invasion. So, over half of invasion. So, yes, over half of people apparent agree with suella that that what Suella Braverman that that what is happening in the channel is an invasion. An now migration watch found supported watch found 51 supported Suella Bravermans comments to the commons nearly a year ago. Its worth pointing out that of course watch is anti course migration watch is anti high levels of immigration. But that mean say that that doesnt mean to say that necessarily are necessarily these findings are untrue. Fraser does that surprise you . 51 of people think, you know what invasion is the right word for it. A little bit, think i yeah, a little bit, i think i yeah, because the language is kind of a bit harsh. I understand why people stop the boats. People want to stop the boats. For instance. I people want to stop the boats. For instance. I think thats a completely normal and you know, seeing high levels of illegal and rational seeing , you know, and rational seeing, you know, no one wants high levels of ilLegal Immigration. Even if you want a liberal approach to immigration broadly , chaos immigration more broadly, chaos at not knowing who at the border, not knowing who is coming in and, you know, sort of the people trafficking and things that are involves the crime that it involves is not a a healthy thing for me. The problem is with calling it Something Like an invasion. That implies is a level of i dont know , planning or intent on the know, planning or intent on the part of some other , i dont part of some other, i dont know, country or army or Something Like that. And its actually it was the smuggler you could, but i think its leading the mark. The situation is just a lot more chaotic than that. Its the problem is that its out not that anyone is. Well, we saw one of the chief people smugglers only get a relatively short sentence. The other day. I think 11 years for being one of the most prolific people smugglers for people across the channel. So perhaps were not tough enough. But if you use the invasion. Well, you use the word invasion. Well, let ask you firstly, are you let me ask you firstly, are you surprised with that surprised that with that percentage people who back percentage of people who back the or agree the use of the use or agree with the use of the use or agree with the use of the word invasion, so i agree with fraser that the use the with fraser that the use of the term is wrong , but with fraser that the use of the term is wrong, but im not surprised that a narrow majority, according this one majority, according to this one poll anti anti migrant poll from the anti anti migrant watch group , poll from the anti anti migrant watch group, ill poll from the anti anti migrant watch group , ill say anti mass watch group, ill say anti mass migration. But yes, but you know, whatever, whatever. Know, whatever, whatever. Im not surprised they found this because weve now had for a sort of 2 or 3 years huge political focus on the issue , political focus on the issue, huge media focus on the issue. Huge media focus on the issue. So i can understand why people think that the scale of what is going on and the threat and the level of organisation and so on and so forth is at a much higher level is. And the level than it is. And the problem with that for me is it doesnt none of the solutions which being brought fonnard which are being brought fonnard by Political Class or by any of our Political Class or basically most of our media class the thing fraser class do the thing which fraser was implying that you need to move from an uncontrolled, unmanaged situation to a controlled and a managed situation. Now controversial question here, fraser, but why not put it to you . Yeah , the fact that a lot of yeah, the fact that a lot of the people crossing over the channel are young muslim men. Do you think whats happening in terms of how how the conflict in the middle east is playing out in terms of protests, rallies and some extreme chanting on the streets of london . Do you think that might raise more concerns around the British Public . Do you think more people will be inclined to its an inclined to think its an invasion and want tougher restrictions . I think it might raise tensions. Certainly. I mean, there have been sort of videos coming out from i saw videos in migrant camps in greece of people sort of cheering on the attacks in in israel. But i think, you know, so i think you have to draw a distinction between sort of immigration. I think we can integrate people if we want to do that. I think i think its possible to for people to come here and to assimilate into our values and way of life. I think were not so interested in doing that at the moment. I think we you know, we have a sort of multicultural approach that says everything , approach that says everything, you know, all values are all all as good as each other. Your way of good as mine. And of life is as good as mine. And i think that is where the problem dont think problem i dont think immigration is immigration itself is necessarily threat. Necessarily a threat. Make a very good point. You make a very good point. You have have something to you have to have something to integrate. James. And if integrate into. James. And if theres not a strong sense of british identity. Me, then british identity. Me, then youre going to struggle. Well, i mean , you can have well, i mean, you can have all sorts of different types of National Identity and collective identities and plurality of identities and plurality of identities within something which is coherent and at the at the moment, we arent, we dont really have a kind of coherent National Blue james, a kind of blue. Im very sorry, but we, we, we dont have much time. And ive got to get to some emails before the end of the show. Sorry to so rudely interrupt you there, james, but lots of you have been getting in touch on the topics weve been discussing, the discussing, including on the ongoing the middle ongoing conflict in the middle east protests in london. East and the protests in london. So linda says more isnt so linda says more killing isnt going this age old going to solve this age old conflict. No ross says its not possible to discuss anything with terrorists. Terrorists, i with terrorists. Terrorists, i think youre referring to our conversation about potential negotiations, ceasefire and so on. James has to say todays london demo has been called to urge the safe return of the hostages so should be supported by all people of good will agree with you there, roy i with you there, roy says. I would think most people will be too to the march for too afraid to join the march for fear of being shot or mutilated by the terrorist supporters. Well, about that. Well, i dont know about that. Keep your views in. But keep your views coming in. But that from me today. But that is it from me today. But stay tuned because nana is up next. Shes appeared on the next. And shes appeared on the sofa with me. Nana whats coming up your show . Up on your show . Well, listen, im very oh, well, listen, im very excited because have a guy excited because we have a guy called david hacham. Is a former idf colonel. He is a former idf colonel. Hes also was an advisor to ministers of defence in israel. So going to be to talking so were going to be to talking him. Interesting about the whole situation the situation because obviously the conflict on for conflict has been going on for decades. Its not just suddenly appeared. Were also going decades. Its not just suddenly ap have d. Were also going decades. Its not just suddenly ap have d. About also going decades. Its not just suddenly ap have d. About theio going decades. Its not just suddenly ap have d. About the renters| to have a chat about the renters reform which looks like reform bill, which looks like it may be passed and it seems may well be passed and it seems to be sort of going under the radar. A of arent radar. A lot of people arent really focusing it, but its really focusing on it, but its a nightmare for youre a a nightmare for if youre a landlord and a conservative voters. Then one big voters. And then one of the big things were talking about is rishi they need get rishi sunak. Do they need to get rid of him now . Is there going to be another leadership contest . Leader. Contest . Yeah another leader. Actually happen . Could that actually happen . It farcical, but who it would be farcical, but who knows . Stranger things have happened youve happened. But youve been watching listening gb watching and listening to gb news me, emily news sunday with me, emily carver. You joining carver. Thank you for joining me this afternoon. To this afternoon. Thank you to fraser james fraser myers and James Schneider. Is next. So schneider. Nana is next. So dont anywhere. But first, dont go anywhere. But first, lets get you the weather. Hello there. Welcome your hello there. Welcome to your latest weather latest gb news weather forecast. Im well, looking im craig snell. Well, looking ahead to the fourth coming week and for most of us, unfortunately, it is staying unsettled. Further spells of wind rain to come. But for wind and rain to come. But for now, this area , low pressure now, this area, low pressure which has been responsible for the very heavy rainfall, has now cleared. Unfortunately, cleared. But unfortunately, further low pressure further areas of low pressure are in the atlantic. But are waiting in the atlantic. But back to this evening, for most of us, it should be a fairly dry and perfect recipe and clear night, perfect recipe for a chilly night, actually, especially scotland. Especially for scotland. Northern could see Northern England could see a widespread frost and after the very weather, what weve had very wet weather, what weve had could icy stretches. So could see some icy stretches. So just do take care if you are out and about. Could just see a few showers for Northern Ireland may just creep parts of western just creep into parts of western cornwall, too. But elsewhere, a dry to day could just dry start to the day could just see few mist and fog patches. See a few mist and fog patches. First thing too. But really its going to us up for a largely going to set us up for a largely dry best the dry picture. Best of the sunshine as go through the sunshine as we go through the course the day will be across course of the day will be across parts of scotland and Northern England. Still of some england. Still the risk of some rain just moving into Northern Ireland far of ireland and the far west of cornwall times. For most cornwall at times. And for most of temperatures very similar of us, temperatures very similar to days, to twelves to recent days, tens to twelves in the north, potentially up to 15, down to 16 degrees the 15, down to 16 degrees in the south. Looking ahead to tuesday, a of rain will spread its a band of rain will spread its way northwards the course a band of rain will spread its watheyrthwards the course a band of rain will spread its wathe day. � ards the course a band of rain will spread its wathe day. Sos the course a band of rain will spread its wathe day. So fairly the course a band of rain will spread its wathe day. So fairly wet1e course a band of rain will spread its wathe day. So fairly wet affair rse of the day. So fairly wet affair for a good chunk of the uk potentially staying dry for most of the day in scotland. But unfortunately middle of the week stays fairly unsettled all stays fairly unsettled for all of us rain. Hello good afternoon. Its 3 00. 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