Civilian lives. James cleverly also told the conference that efforts need to be made to prevent an escalation in violence. As we have a duty, a duty to Work Together to prevent instability from engulfing the region and claiming yet more lives. We must Work Together to lives. We must Work Together to prevent the tragic situation in gaza becoming a regional conflict, gaza becoming a regional conflict , because that gaza becoming a regional conflict, because that is exactly what hamas wants. The exactly what hamas wants. The trucks carrying humanitarian aid have now reached Southern Gaza. Have now reached Southern Gaza. Its after the rafah crossing on the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. Israel imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel. After the hamas terror attack. Meanwhile israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue to fight until all hostages being held by hamas are freed. Its after two are freed. Its after two american citizens Judith Raanan and her 17 year old daughter natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds. Its believed more than 200 people are still being held by the terrorist group pro palestine minion. Protests have been taking place in cities across the uk. Theyre calling for an the uk. Theyre calling for an end to the conflict in the middle east and demanding the government stop supporting israels actions. Police israels actions. Police estimate up to 100,000 people took part in a protest through Central London in salford , a Central London in salford, a group marched to the bbcs media city headquarters over the course narrations reporting of the israel Hamas Conflict and around 2000 people also took to the streets in belfast. Rallies were also held in birmingham and cardiff. In other news, tributes cardiff. In other news, tributes are being paid to sir Bobby Charlton, who has died at the age of 86. He was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966 and a club legend at Manchester United. His family said he passed peacefully in the early hours of this morning. In a statement, united described sir bobby as one of the most beloved players in the history of the club. The prince of wales, who president of the fa, called him a true a true great, who will be remembered forever. The Environment Agency is warning floods are likely to continue near major rivers in england until tuesday. Storm england until tuesday. Storm babet is dumping heavy rain in parts of the east midlands and south yorkshire. Nottingham Nottinghamshire County Council has declared a Major Incident with severe flooding warnings in derby. The city council says its experiencing the highest recorded water levels of the river dennent, with roads flooded across the city. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to the. Saturday five. The. Saturday five. She has lisa now folks, its your saturday night and youre with the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes. And when its cold and wet outside, you really are best off settling for down the two hours and enjoying the next two hours and enjoying some heated debate from all of us. Its a hell of a lot cheaper than putting the heating on. Now lets crack on with tonights first topic. Thousands of people took pro palestine took part in a pro palestine demonstration today. Demonstration in london today. To the anger of many, it has to be said, just a couple of weeks after the sickening hamas assault on israel. But reem ibrahim says the right to free speech must not be unassailable. Even if you dont agree with what theyre saying, its high time we live the dream. Thank you, darren. Now, i believe in the fundamental freedom of expression. I think that when were looking at across the world in which countries have descended to authoritarianism, they tend to stop allowing freedom of expression. Now i completely understand that many individuals are incredibly upset as a result of various different protests. Of various different protests. But this particular phrase thats been used time and time again as during these protests, palestine will be free. And this idea that actually its from the river to the sea. Now, this river to the sea. Now, this particular quote has resulted in a lot of hate online. A lot of people saying that this particular phrase should actually be banned. Many people that are usually on my side of the argument, many people that actually usually argue for free speech have now descended into arguing for the complete decimation of this kind of individual freedom. Now, i would argue that i would like to see any individual that supports potentially proscribed terrorist organisations like hamas. I organisations like hamas. I would like to see them saying those things in open so that those things in the open so that we know where they are. We know where they are. Ultimately, if we start to ban different phrases, if we start to tell people that it is illegal to say different things, they are going to continue to talk about these ideas underground and unchall challenged. I think its incredibly important that we allow the fundamental right of freedom of expression, whether we agree with those opinions or not. And i would like to see the right to protest be used across the board. Now, the metropolitan the board. Now, the metropolitan police have also put out a statement calling out for effectively the individuals that are going to those protests to not support that terrorist organisations. Well, they have organisations. Well, they have said, though, is that they do have the right to protest and they do have the right to call out for these particular phrases. Now, this particular phrase from the river to the sea, palestine will be free can be interpreted in many, many different ways. But ultimately if were going to be banning language, were going to descend into a slippery slope of authoritarianism. So, leo, im authoritarianism. So, leo, im particularly interested in what your perspective might be on this. Do you think that there should be a limit to free speech . Well, of course there have to be limits to free speech. I mean, im a big advocate of free speech, but free speech cant be absolute. You cant have jihadis on the streets of london calling for murder, calling for the genocide of jews and really saying having saying it really having an impact going out impact. People are going out there committing terrorist there and committing terrorist atrocities. A few atrocities. We saw just a few days in belgium days ago a guy in belgium driving around on his moped shouting allah akbar and then murdering swedish football fans. So this is this is real world stuff. This isnt some academic discussion. So obviously, we need to limit freedom of speech and im fine. You know, these people people can can have people these people can can have their and their their their rallies and their protests wave their isis protests and wave their isis flags, but it do it in a flags, but do it do it in a muslim. Do it in the muslim world. Do in the arab world. World. Do it in the arab world. I i think its terrible i think i think its terrible that has been so soft that britain has been so soft and allowed completely alien culture that hate us and hate civilisation and want to destroy us to take root and fester and grow. Grow. I mean, i would argue that its not the culture thats doing that. Its actually there are a very small percentage of the population of these individuals that might be attending these protests that would hamas are would argue that hamas are a fantastic that are fantastic organisation that are supporting the freedom of palestine. Think we have palestine. Now i think we have to it and say thats to call it out and say thats unequivocally wrong. And actually those actually many of those individuals would be would have their freedom of expression reduced. Ultimately when reduced. But ultimately when were arguing for free speech, it cant just be for ideas that we agree with. We have to do it. But this goes beyond an idea. This is incitement to violence. And thats a crime. And i cant believe the police are pussyfooting around and saying, oh, no, call to jihad can oh, no, the call to jihad can have meanings. Have several meanings. Well, none good. Its not none of them are good. Its not like jihad can sometimes mean a cup of tea. Actually, i will say. And i actually, i will say. And i mean, somebody up mean, im somebody that grew up in sort of muslim family, mean, im somebody that grew up in sorhousehold. Family, mean, im somebody that grew up in sor household. The ily, mean, im somebody that grew up in sor household. The word muslim household. The word jihad itself does not necessarily mean terrorism. It actually means my struggle. , that struggle. Now, of course, that has occupied. Hitler has been occupied. Hitler yeah, hitler had this. Yeah, hitler had this. Yeah, hitler had this. Well, indeed. Now it has again been taken by various individuals and various different organisations have taken it to mean many things. I think investigations are perfectly reasonable into people that use phrase because of that use the phrase because of the way its been defined. I mean. Albee whats your perspective . Well, i think perspective well, i think my perspective is completely is i think its completely inappropriate to be inappropriate for people to be shouting the chant from the river to the sea. Palestine should be free. You know, i think most people interpret that as the israeli state should be wiped face of the world wiped off the face of the world because is what it because that is that is what it means. Many people down. Thats literally what it means. You listen to jews when you listen to jews to explain what it means. That what they say. And i. That is what they say. And i. And i and i and i trust them when that is what they are saying. But what i will say is where i do agree with you is where i do agree with you is where people that are calling for the protests themselves to be banned. Mean, thats be banned. I mean, thats complete nonsense. Of course, you protests, you cant be banning protests, people for people protesting for the freedom or People Freedom of palestine or people protesting because they think what going on in gaza and the what is going on in gaza and the humanitarian crisis there is unacceptable. Unacceptable i reem i just want to test how far youll go with this, because i think weve got a video show from londons tube today in which there was chant said, so which there was a chant said, so lets have a listen and watch that free palestine. That free palestine. Hope you will have a blessed day today and look after yourself that everybody. Yourself that everybody. So this is interesting because what should he be sacked . So this is interesting. Again, i do think i do think that its inappropriate for a pubuc that its inappropriate for a public servant, somebody thats being paid by taxpayer money to being paid by taxpayer money to be into political be entering into political discussions. I dont know if you guys saw on the video he used the to talk about the tannoy to talk about palestine being free again, that is an appropriate because its a pubuc is an appropriate because its a Public Sector figure, a public figure, a train driver to use utilising the power that he has on the train to advocate for something political. And i think thats wrong, especially when you think about the history of jews in trains. I think its the worst place you can possibly it. You can possibly do it. Well, i mean, benjamin, surely this is just for british jews. Saying, i dont jews. Theyre saying, i dont think live sadiq khans think i can live in sadiq khans london anymore. I mean, look, think i mean, look, i think one random driver isnt random tube driver isnt reflective the or of reflective of the mayor or of the city. But look, you know, reem, im sure lots of people were cheering you in all were cheering you on in that all of terrorists. I suspect of them terrorists. I suspect you what . It is incredibly you know what . It is incredibly naive for a protester in london was a terrorist. No, but the was a terrorist. No, but the people would supporting the people would be supporting the right to shout jihad people would be supporting the right to shoutjihad and ban right to shoutjihad and to ban the state of israel and to insult existence of jews. Insult the existence of jews. Those the people youre those are the people that youre supporting. And thing supporting. And the thing is, you to recognise that you dont seem to recognise that there form of there is no perfect form of freedom. There is no pure freedom. There is no pure freedom. You have to manage it. So the reason that somebody couldnt stand in the street and shout racist abuse at albee, that wouldnt be acceptable because that would take away his freedom to go about his life on a basic level. Absolutely not. And thats these people im and thats what these people im speaking. What these speaking. Thats what these people because they people are doing, because they are shouting means are shouting abuse. That means an just an average jewish person just trying their lives trying to go about their lives or an israeli person trying to go lives is go about their lives is threatened unable to feel threatened and unable to feel safe and is where safe. Okay. And that is where the is. The line is. So talk about this so lets talk about this particular phraseology that i mentioned in in the introduction palestine will be free. And this idea that its from the river to the sea and from the river to the sea and from the river to the sea, were talking about a geographic area. The palestine will free where that . Will be free where are in that . Is there application for is there an application for genocide or an advocation that remediation jewish. Remediation of jewish. Just think youre i just think youre incredibly you know, incredibly naive. You know, these jews these people, youre hate jews and you are defending their right to shout that on the streets of london. I think thats disgraceful. I know because arguing. I know because im arguing. I know because im arguing. You like someone from you sound like someone from novara iea. Novara media, not the iea. Believe freedom for i believe in freedom for everyone, just people. Everyone, not just for people. No dont. There there are no you dont. There are limits to free speech. You must that there are must accept that there are limits free speech. We have limits to free speech. We have libel in this country. We libel laws in this country. We have anti hate incitement laws in and it is right in this country. And it is right that they enforced, isnt it . I believe that every individual in country individual in this country has the to freedom of the right to freedom of expression, as are expression, so long as they are not inciting violence people. But thats exactly what these people doing. People are doing. They are not there is nothing in that phrase when they say that shouldnt exist, in that phrase when they say that they shouldnt exist, in that phrase when they say that they have. Dnt exist, in that phrase when they say that they have when xist, in that phrase when they say that they have when they talk when they have when they talk about paragliders attacked when they have when they talk abojews ragliders attacked when they have when they talk abojews and ders attacked when they have when they talk abojews and they attacked when they have when they talk abojews and they celebrateked when they have when they talk abojews and they celebrate that the jews and they celebrate that those free speech saying the state you can be anti zionist state of you can be anti zionist and be anti semitic. Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwerewe anti semitic. Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going semitic. Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going thave . Okay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going thave to kay. State of you can be anti zionist ancwere going thave to move were going to have to move on now. Its been a very heated debate, its been a very debate, but its been a very difficult rishi difficult week for rishi conservative this week. Conservative party this week. And think Darren Grimes might and i think Darren Grimes might be an even more be making it an even more difficult them. Is difficult week for them. It is high for prime time now. High time for prime time now. In the recent by elections of tamworth mid bedfordshire tamworth and mid bedfordshire for witnessed for the conservatives witnessed a staffordshire setback thanks to two thirds of their 2019 voters deciding to play truant in tamworth , labour secured in tamworth, labour secured a victory on a 35. 87 turnout, with a mere 811 votes more than their previous outing in mid bedfordshire echoed this narrative with a dwindled turnout and labour celebrating despite bagging 156 fewer votes than in 2019. Now, sir keir starmer, hes not exactly the pied piper, is he, yet tories are nowhere to be seen rallying behind a man. So power hungry that he twice champion jezza corbyn, a man with a soft spot for britains foes. For all to for britains foes. For all to thwart our brexit mandate. I remember the 2019 shift when my birthplace of consett swapped its labour red for tory blue well had hope, right . We had so much promise, but alas, you fast fonnard to today as you shiver in your abode , eyeballin up your in your abode, eyeballin up your soaring energy bill, courtesy of theresa may and boris johnson. Theresa may and boris johnson. There green escapades or their net stupid as i call it, and bolton seems somewhat futile for some people at home with the nhs and your dentist appointments rescheduled more than a footy match. Identity politics devour and the nation and the unity of it. And i was sure being a hotspot for Illegal Migrants and those chanting sinister slogans in our cities, i understood. And in our cities, i understood. And your disillusionment and lets not overlook the tax fiasco. Highest rates in decades with nary a clue on where its all funnelled. Yet here we are expected to march to the polls. Its a bleak forecast for the Prime Minister. If i was him, id be tempted to stay in the middle east. He doesnt shake off the timidity. The bold moves off the timidity. The bold moves we when he diluted boris we saw when he diluted Boris Johnsons green zealotry or when he thwarted nikki sturgeons perilous self gender laws. They perilous self gender laws. They need a comeback. That was good stuff with no luxury of time for dilly dally on a level reforms or banning ciggies for kids. Debate and so called conversion therapy. These are all luxuries therapy. These are all luxuries we dont have. Its a snails race when we need a sprint to salvage whats left of our great britain. The era of slow and steady is over and its high time our leaders got the sodden memo. Frankly now, benjamin buttennorth, that must be music to your ears. Actually, you must agree with every word. Agree with every word. I swear you get more geordie every week. Thats right. Look, every week. Thats right. Look, i mean, full credit to you. You know, you looked at the 2 2 of the three biggest swings from tory to labour in post war britain and still managed to claim that it was a bad night for labour. Well, the turnout was lower than most parties, that throw very good. But that you throw very good. But look, you know, the fact is that labours went up labours vote went up significantly and both those significantly and both of those seats are not seats that the Labour Party Needs to win. To put keir in downing put keir starmer in downing street. If you were to have an equal swing across the country, then seat with with then every seat with a seat with a tory majority of 15,000 would have to go labour mid beds had a 25,000 and tamworth was 21,000. So this says that the tories are leaving government, that they dont have a hope in hell. So actually im quite glad that you say things like that and that you dig your heels in and ignore reality because that just guarantees. Keir starmer will be in 10. In number 10. Leo, are you following sir so leo, are you following sir keir a sort of lamb keir starmer like a sort of lamb to the slaughter . People have described well, people have described it as hes trying to carry a ming without breaking ming vase without breaking it. You not to, you know, hes trying not to, not do anything radical, but not to do anything radical, but actually, what we sort of need from to know what he from him is to know what he stands for the moment. He stands for at the moment. He seems to you ask him what he stands for and hes like, leave it he goes and speaks it with me. He goes and speaks to focus groups and to various focus groups and comes back and says, you know, i like whatever you and we like whatever you like. And we really know what are his really need to know what are his policies does he think . Policies and what does he think . Because the moment not because at the moment hes not going election. The going to win the election. The tories going to lose it. Tories are going to lose it. So think his only so do you think his only policy right now is not being the conservative party . Exactly policy right now is not being the can servative party . Exactly policy right now is not being the can sejustive party . Exactly policy right now is not being the can sejust say arty . Exactly policy right now is not being the can sejust say that . Exactly policy right now is not being the can sejust say that . Exe often can i just say that you often get from people on the left get that from people on the left of the labour party who seem to think that anyone, i. E. Jeremy corbyn, they corbyn, would win when they wouldnt three people wouldnt look, only three people have a general election have won a general election for the labour party happened the labour party only happened three starmer three times and keir starmer is on the fourth. So on course to be the fourth. So this that hes not really this idea that hes not really impressive, not really impressive, that hes not really changed anyones mind is complete nonsense. Because if it were easy labour win were that easy for labour to win elections, they have elections, they would have won more have more than they would have had more than they would have had more than they would have had more than three leaders do it. He should be. He should well, he should be. He should be making want to for be making me want to vote for him. And sure id want him. And im not sure id want the labour party. The interesting thing ill be for the well, for the labour the interesting thing ill be for thyoure for the labour the interesting thing ill be for thyoure talking labour the interesting thing ill be for thyoure talking l. Little the interesting thing ill be for aboutre talking l. Little the interesting thing ill be for about it� talking l. Little the interesting thing ill be for about it later,1g l. Little the interesting thing ill be for about it later, so l. Little the interesting thing ill be for about it later, so l. Dont bit about it later, so i dont want to spoil what youre going to say, you think the to say, but do you think the civil war within labour thats been promoted the press been promoted in the press recently lot of recently where actually a lot of the vote are unhappy with the muslim vote are unhappy with its stance on israel, is this going problem for going to become a problem for the moving fonnard the labour party moving fonnard and to be and youre going to be addressing i think its addressing look, i think its already a problem for the labour party. Weve already seen reports, not reports. We have seen councillors across seen muslim councillors across the country resigning because of keir position on on Keir Starmers position on on israel palestine. But actually israel palestine. But actually with the cohort of people who he needs to win over at the next general election i. E red wall 2019 tory voters as his position on on the israel palestine conflict is actually going to be quite helpful for that group of people who tend to be more pro israel. So that could actually be a net benefit for him. But when it comes to the conservatives, you know, as a conservative myself, been conservative myself, its been a very week for us. Very disappointing week for us. The not buying what the public are not buying what were and quite frankly were selling. And quite frankly , needs to get his , rishi sunak needs to get his act together, get the governments together governments act together and start the five start delivering on the five pledges that pledged for the pledges that we pledged for the next general election. At the moment, like any moment, it doesnt look like any of going to of those are going to be achieved. To say, i think ive got to say, i think benjamin is somewhat overexcited by prospect these by by the prospect of these by elections, i do think that elections, as i do think that the conservative party, again, havent of havent had any kind of ideological direction. I also think, make a very think, darren, you make a very important point here that actually you know, even the actually, you know, even the guardian today guardian front page today admitted swings last admitted that these swings last night were not very big. They were primarily as a result of tory voters staying home rather than they were the second and third swing in post war history. So what you want about so so what do you want about so the conservatives on the guardian front that even guardian front page that even admitted majorities admitted that the majorities were swing big. Sorry, but the majority was very, very small. But thats because far fewer people voted. And always people voted. And that always happens exactly. People voted. And that always ha| so 1s exactly. People voted. And that always ha| so turnout actly. People voted. And that always ha| so turnout was. Low. Tory so turnout was very low. Tory voters home rather than voters stayed home rather than tory voting my tory voters voting labour is my point. Ultimately the conservatives havent able conservatives havent been able to five to deliver on their five pledges. The highest pledges. Weve got the highest tax burden since the second world weve huge world war. Weve got huge amounts of Illegal Migrants enteringbasis for those kind of basis for those individuals to where theyre going or the going to live or the infrastructure. Ultimately going to live or the infrilabour|re. Ultimately going to live or the infrilabour party ultimately going to live or the infri labour party havent|tely going to live or the infri labour party havent been the labour party havent been able those voters to able to convince those voters to return to their party. I mean, you youre a policy wonk, not to sound offensive. Do you actually know what the labour partys policies are . Well, i know as much as you do, darren, and i cannot tell you exactly what the what the labour party wants to do. What i will say is the labour party have won over on housing. Theyve promised to build, i think it was 1. 5 million houses. The conservative party have failed on housing crisis and failed on the housing crisis and at were hearing some kind at least were hearing some kind of what i think is of direction on what i think is the largest political problem facing in this facing young people in this country facing young people in this couokey doke. Right folks okey doke. Right now, folks still tonight, leo is still to come tonight, leo is going to be assessing Greta Thunbergs latest antics, a glowing review incoming. Ive no doubt. Glowing review incoming. Ive no doubt. And glowing review incoming. Ive no doubt. And ill will be pitching a National Integration policy. A National Integration policy. But next in the programme, experts are calling for shorter pnson experts are calling for shorter prison sentences to be axed in favour of community punishments. But who needs experts when youve got benjamin buttennorth . Youve got benjamin buttennorth . Hell be giving his verdict on those plans. You with the saturday five live on gb news as radio. Welcome back to the saturday five cheers for your company and for your emails about tonights topics. Sherrys written in and sherry made me want a glass of sherry. Theres a clear difference between people protest and the human Syrian Crisis in gaza and actively supporting hamas. Its very supporting hamas. Its very dangerous to paint everyone out. Marching in london today with the same brush. Now malcolm says the same brush. Now malcolm says free speech is okay, but watch out if people start. Listen in. Now, thats a good point, is it not . Because if people start listening to some of the chants out there, then were all up. I out there, then were all up. I was going to Say Something quite a creek without a paddle. Well indeed. But i think its that earlier point right . The differences between support for hamas and support for freedom. So , susan, though, has so, susan, though, has written in and susan, you can expect your fiver from benjamin in she says benjamin in the post. She says benjamin has answer to the free speech question is the sensible question is the most sensible thing hes ever said. And i dont usually agree with him. Well, dont get used to it, but thank you, susan. Your mum. Your mum. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Its she definitely wouldnt think id said something. Right. Said right. Said right. Folks, its time for our next debate. Up next, it is benjamin and hes to give us his and hes going to give us his verdict on plans to ditch shorter prison sentences. Its shorter prison sentences. Its time for benjamins bugbear. Yeah, thats right. Time for benjamins bugbear. Yeah, thats right. I think its time to abolish short pnson its time to abolish short prison sentences. The kind of sentences there are a couple of months or even a couple of weeks. These are handed out to people who commit crimes like shoplifting or non violent minor incidents. Now, those crimes can have a very real effect on society around them. But sending someone to prison for a matter of weeks whos been doing petty theft , well, not only does that theft, well, not only does that cost a fortune, but what it also doesis cost a fortune, but what it also does is socialise often young petty criminals into serious organised, hardline criminals. And it also often takes away their chances of getting a proper job and earning an honest wage. So thats why i think wage. So thats why i think short sentences should be dropped because they just dont work. Look at the evidence. The reoffending rate for people that have been to prison for a couple of months opposed to a couple of months as opposed to a couple of months as opposed to a couple of is double. 50 of of years is double. 50 of people on short sentences go to on reoffend. So clearly its not teaching them a lesson. What i say is that we should spend that money on having people that can rehabilitate these people , rehabilitate these people, better probation officers to try and integrate them back into the community, because short sentences dont work. Lets spend the money on rehabilitation for petty thieves and not integrating them into hard line criminals for a couple of months behind bars. Now, darren, what do you think . Darren, what do you think . I think thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard in my entire life. You are in my entire life. You are basically saying that you want to turn this country into san francisco. A democrat ran hellhole, which is crime ridden and which in which people there is lawlessness like you wouldnt believe. You basically want to us be a lawless hellhole in which people can shoplift readability station, pull the other one. Theyve got about as much chance of that as someone who is totally and utterly addicted to drugs. It is a very, addicted to drugs. It is a very, very hard ask. You think that getting someone in to deal with these people on god knows how much in the way of taxpayer cash is going to sort them out . The only reason you dont make any sense, these people on the streets is so they can vote laboun what a load of nonsense. Look, 50 people who go into look, 50 of people who go into pnson look, 50 of people who go into prison go on to reoffend. So this means that there are this system means that there are more because theyre not more crimes because theyre not getting and getting out of those habits and they who often drag they meet people who often drag them further that world. So them further into that world. So that work. And when you that doesnt work. And when you talk about lawless hellhole , i talk about lawless hellhole, i mean, a terrible mean, america is a terrible example they incarcerate example because they incarcerate more people than any democracy in world and they have very in the world and they have very high crime rates. So clearly, there isnt correlation there isnt a great correlation when we have twice as many people in prisons in this country today than we did 30 years and yet petty crime years ago. And yet petty crime is rise. Is on the rise. The benjamin ive got to say, i mean, know you dont like i mean, i know you dont like short sentences because your monologues always go on too long for but if you are saying for me, but if you are saying that 50 the people who go that 50 of the people who go into with a short into prison with a short sentence re offend , that means sentence re offend, that means 50 dont. For 50. It totally works. 100 of the time. I mean, thats a very expensive way to do things. And one the problems we have with one of the problems we have with our system is that we our prison system is that we dont them to leave dont prepare them to leave prison. So you have somebody whos probably to crime whos probably turned to crime because dont any because they dont know any better. You know, theyve not better. You know, theyve not been taught the kind of boundanes been taught the kind of boundaries and morals that we should not guessing should have. Its not guessing at are these are at all. These are these are absolutely people the absolutely what people in the sector know better. Pretty sure. Im pretty sure. Im pretty sure. Clearly dont know any better. Do know better. But i think actually youre insulting the criminals that theyre criminals by saying that theyre not intelligent enough to know what theyre many them not intelligent enough to know wheultimately, many them not intelligent enough to know wheultimately,letsmany them not intelligent enough to know wheultimately, lets think them do. Ultimately, lets think about reality of this. We about the reality of this. If we completely you know, about the reality of this. If we comjthan. Y you know, about the reality of this. If we comjthan a you know, about the reality of this. If we comjthan a year you know, about the reality of this. If we comjthan a year prisonrou know, less than a year prison sentences, that youre sentences, that means youre taking away that choice from judges. Also means that there judges. It also means that there will crimes did have will be crimes that did have a pnson will be crimes that did have a prison that now wont. Prison sentence that now wont. When taking away that when youre taking away that crime, taking, taking crime, youre taking, taking away youre away that punishment, youre effectively that those away that punishment, youre effectiv are that those away that punishment, youre effectiv are completely those crimes are completely okay to happen, youre at all happen, but youre not at all because they should have community punishments make community punishments that make them behaviour. The goal of prison is to get someone to learn lesson and someone to learn the lesson and to behaviour. If to change their behaviour. If theyre changing their theyre not changing their behaviour, your behaviour, youre wasting your money. The goal of money. I think the goal of pnson money. I think the goal of prison some cases be to prison can in some cases be to change behaviour, but it can also to be remove also just to be remove problematic from society problematic people from society and everyone else can and so that everyone else can just punish just live their lives and punish them. There is an them. I think there is an important point that maybe youre missing, which is at the moment have enough moment we dont have enough space prisons. Think space in prisons. I think theres was going theres only about i was going to under tories and to say 50 under the tories and 50 the tories. We dont 50 under the tories. We dont even up rapists. Im making even lock up rapists. Im making the point for benjamin, and even lock up rapists. Im making the |we|t for benjamin, and even lock up rapists. Im making the we dont benjamin, and even lock up rapists. Im making the we dont lockienjamin, and even lock up rapists. Im making the we dont lock upjamin, and even lock up rapists. Im making the we dont lock up even , and that we dont lock up even serious criminals. So what . Alex chalk secretary, is chalk the justice secretary, is proposing we reduce the proposing is that we reduce the number of sentences that we give out petty crimes so that out for petty crimes so that we can actual criminals. Can lock up actual criminals. I actually need to actually think that we need to just building more prisons just be building more prisons and up people for a and locking up people for a longer of time because longer amount of time because actually see less. Can actually i want to see less. Can ijust actually i want to see less. Can i just say this is a ridiculous thing to say, because one of the reasons someone is going to reasons why someone is going to return stealing because return to stealing is because they option they dont have another option available to them. They probably dont education dont have a serious education once been prison. It once theyve been to prison. It makes even harder to makes it even harder to get a job if youre cornering them to keep youre keep behaving like that, youre not society. Youre not benefiting society. Youre just good about being mean. Infantilise and patronise and nonsense. They dont have any other option. Dont put things that arent yours in your pockets. Thats an option. I mean, darren, its not only theft. Were talking about burglary. Were talking about people that are going enter people that are going to enter somebody elses home and take things i do think things from them. I do not think that people should be that these people should be walking without walking the streets without having prison. Having been to prison. Example, benjamin, so, for example, benjamin, you unfortunately were mugged in london. Not gone london. Should he have not gone to prison . That violent well, that was a violent incident strangled incident because they strangled me and threatened me with a knife. So i dont think violent incidents this knife. So i dont think violent incidentsthats this knife. So i dont think violent incidentsthats more this knife. So i dont think violent incidentsthats more serious. But because thats more serious. But ijust because thats more serious. But i just think this idea that you can someone a can simply throw someone in a cage weeks and then cage for a few weeks and then expect that theyre going to be a person when they a different person when they come is clearly come out is clearly preposterous. Very preposterous. And its a very expensive to 50 of the time. So then arrest so then if you arrest somebody, again, its 75 of the time. And then again, you know, but, our reoffending but, you know, our reoffending rates in this country much rates in this country are much higher many of our european counterparts. So clearly, weve got stuff worth nicking every time someone does 40 grand a year for them what, 40 grand a year for them to prison. To be in prison. Hey, could have went on hey, we could have went on and that one, but and on with that one, but unfortunately havent the unfortunately we havent the time. Still ahead, leo is time. Now. Still ahead, leo is going to continue with his shameless adoration of Greta Thunberg your questions in answer all your questions in flummox five. So keep flummox the five. So keep emailing but next, some emailing them in. But next, some people say multiculturalism has failed. Albees got a plan to prove them wrong. Youre with the saturday five live on. Knows youre listening to gb news radio. News radio. Welcome back to the saturday five as always cheers very much for all of your emails. Now chris has written in and chris says its worth remembering that the reform party got more votes than the conservative and lib dems. Arent they . The ones to watch . They got more than the lib dems, think in one of them lib dems, i think in one of them in the by elections, but not more than the conservatives. More the not more than the conservatives. Was conservatives. What was interesting about reform uk is that got more that in both seats they got more votes labour majority. Votes than the labour majority. So would suggest if so it would suggest that if reform standing, maybe reform werent standing, maybe the have won the conservatives would have won those seats. Okay, so richard got okay, so richard tice has got the dancing in the the conservatives dancing in the heat now. Rob says , oh well, let heat now. Rob says, oh well, let everyone out of prison if its cruel to have Illegal Migrants on a barge, then it follows that we should not lock up anyone in a prison. Hes given benjamin buttennorth some ideas. Im sure theyre all jolly nice and have just been misunderstood and probably probably misgendered as well. Rob who knows . But thank you very much for your emails. Its time for our next debate. Now, though. Up next, its now, though. Up next, its albion hes given himself a pretty hard task here. Admits rise in Community Tensions and claims that multiculturalism has failed. Hes going to pitch a National Integration policy. Its time for albees argument. Absolutely right. Look, its become abundantly clear to me that immigration without integration has been a complete disaster for this country. Whether or not that is the parallel societies that weve seen emerge in our Great Northern towns like rochdale and oldham and rotherham , or if its oldham and rotherham, or if its the Community Tensions that weve seen in flame after the after the after the awful war that were seeing in israel. And palestine, were seeing it spill out onto the streets of london, manchester and birmingham. Its simply unsustainable for us to continue on this path without out a specific government policy on integration. I was pretty horrified to learn that there is not a uk wide National Integration policy and weve seen these huge levels of migration after the blair government and continued under subsequent conservative governments. But no one has governments. But no one has stood still and thought how do we integrate all of these people . How do we make sure everyone rubs along and we have a cohesive, safe and Prosperous Society . Thats why im calling society . Thats why im calling for a government focus on integration. Now now, what could this look like . I think for this look like . I think for prospective immigrants and asylum seekers, at the very least , we asylum seekers, at the very least, we should be asylum seekers, at the very least , we should be expecting least, we should be expecting them to have a basic level of english. I think that all employers that sponsor visas for International Workers should have a duty to make sure that their employers , their their employers, their employees, are trained in british integration. I think british integration. I think that when people are applying for visas into the united kingdom, there should be a values based psycho metric test to ensure that the people who are coming to our countries adhere to and want to adhere to British Values and we should not be scared of rejecting those who fail for the rest of society because its not just a problem with new immigrants, its a problem with immigrant communities who have been here for decades. We need to be looking a statutory duty on looking at a statutory duty on local authorities to promote integration and not just social integration and notjust social cohesion. And i also think we need a national a National Citizenship survey s with the express mission of integrating our races , cultures, religions our races, cultures, religions and classes. Now, these are just some ideas from about integration for this country. Other people will have other ideas. Its not going to be an easy task. It is going to take time. But theres one thing i am time. But theres one thing i am certain of and that is that multiculturalism will fail unless we have a focus on integration. Darren, i know that integration. Darren, i know that you are very passionate about reading using the level of immigration in this country. Reading using the level of immigration in this country. And immigration in this country. And i think, look, i agree. Immigration has been too high in this country for too long 1. 2 million net migration is not a sustainable number of people. And im pro saying that. But when it comes to the issue of integrating people, are you not shocked that the conservatives over the last 13 years have not thought, well, maybe we should make a National Integration policy . Do you know what it reminds me . That every thing thats just been said there reminds of been said there reminds me of when i went to cover the when i went up to cover the batley spen by election and batley and spen by election and george stood that George Galloway stood in that by election the most by election and it was the most divisive, race baiting religion , divisive, race baiting religion, foreign conflicts , trying to foreign conflicts, trying to evoke all of these things. It was genuinely horrible to see and all the campaigning material was i just thought, are we campaigning in a part of britain or in a part of somewhere else . This just feels utterly absurd. So i think youve got an unenviable task on your hands for this national what was it, the national the National Citizenship service, citizenship service. I citizenship service, citizenship service. I perhaps citizenship service, citizenship service. I perhaps i citizenship service, citizenship service. I perhaps i do citizenship service, citizenship service. I perhaps i do worry service. I perhaps i do worry about that. But my answer would be if you stand on britains streets like weve seen people do today and shout jihad streets like weve seen people do today and shoutjihad , jihad, do today and shout jihad, jihad, jihad, i have no idea if i can do that. If thats ofcom compliant. But if you do that, get out. Right . Why are you here . Leave. But then we also have to give people something to buy into. So its not just a stick, its also a carrot. Weve got to say to people who come to this country like my grandparents, come here. If you dont want your ancestors, your ancestors ancestors, your your ancestors will done, though its will have done, even though its probably not that far back to use the word ancestor. But you know mean. Weve got to know what i mean. Weve got to give something give them people something positive and at the positive to buy into and at the moment we have that. Moment we dont have that. Why . Yes. And what i will say is that there a huge is that there is a huge difference between the generations come to generations that have come to this grandparents generations that have come to this to grandparents generations that have come to this to this grandparents generations that have come to this to this country|randparents generations that have come to this to this country from arents generations that have come to this to this country from north; came to this country from north africa came to this africa and they came to this country. Felt honoured to country. They felt honoured to come this country to work, to come to this country to work, to control route to the british economy contribute economy to and contribute to the labour are labour market. Now, there are far too people come to far too many people that come to this and feel as this country now and feel as though it is their right to do so. It is their right to take a taxpayer money from other taxpayers through the benefit system. Right to system. It is their right to enter into social housing. And i think that there is a huge difference there. Now, i would argue the welfare state act as a magnet for many of those types of migrants. People dont come to this anymore the way to this country anymore the way my grandparents did and think its honour do so, to its an honour to do so, to contribute. They come here its an honour to do so, to contribuitheyley come here its an honour to do so, to contribuithey think he here its an honour to do so, to contribuithey think they are its an honour to do so, to contribuithey think they have the because they think they have the right so. Right to do so. Well, benjamin i actually met a fellow gay man last weekend who that he moved here. Who told me that he moved here. What from . He said, he said that what from . He said, he said that he moved here from greece because he wanted to live in a more in a more diverse and tolerant and open society. And he did feel honoured to he actually did feel honoured to come to this country. So he actually did feel honoured to come to this country. So there come to this country. So there are still that move here, are still people that move here, i the right reasons. I think, for the right reasons. But is it that we integrate but how is it that we integrate them into British Society them better into British Society . I mean, look, first of all, i dont accept what reem just said. You know, people arent automatically to the automatically entitled to the benefits or i might be benefits that you or i might be when to this country. When they get to this country. And earn and pay and immigrants earn and pay more, earn more, and pay more tax the average british tax than the average british born citizen. So if you took them out of the scenario, our economy, public finances economy, our public finances would be in a much worse position. You know, i went to, position. You know, i went to, as albie did , the London School as albie did, the London School of economics, where i also went there. There we go, three other alumni on the on the panel. And so, as you all know, 70 of students at that university, 80 when i was there from when i was there are from countries world. It countries around the world. It has many nationality as as has as many nationality as as the united nations. And it works fantastic mystically. For me, its an example at its an example of britain at its you have the its best because you have the talent from around the world coming i the coming here. And i think the idea multiculturalism has idea that multiculturalism has failed because we have failed is wrong because we have issues. Britain is a very issues. But britain is a very successful multicultural nation. The kind of problems we have compared to france or america or, heaven forbid, the middle east, theyre nothing like the scale that very similar countries. But lets be honest, there is a big difference between a bunch of students that have received top grades the of top grades and the kids of diplomats immigration diplomats and Mass Immigration that seeing at the moment. That were seeing at the moment. There is a big difference. Thing, which id say one thing, which is that think shouldnt you that i think you shouldnt you should to learn english. Should have to learn english. You know, i remember ive you know, i remember when ive gone hamlets and you gone round Tower Hamlets and you have, you have women in particular. There who have lived here for many decades and theyve never learned the language and they dont have agency to look after themselves. And theyre not integrated. And agency to look after themselves. Athinkeyre not integrated. And agency to look after themselves. Athinkeyre should egrated. And agency to look after themselves. Athink eyre should egrated. Your i think that should change your view this very briefly. View on this very briefly. No, i think i think we covered it. I mean, when you look at youre not youre not taking representative taking a representative sample. Its all its ridiculous. And for multicultural multiculturalism, you to say multiculturalism, for you to say its a success, what about its been a success, what about grooming gangs . What about terrorist about terrorist bombings . What about the seeing today . The riots were seeing today . People that have well, most people that have been grooming, that been been grooming, that have been convicted country are convicted in this country are white men. So isnt it White British men. So isnt it your 87 we should have an 87 white country, or at least it was last time somebody checked. Imagine people shed imagine the people coming channel coming across the channel unchecked. Thats changed. But so youd expect over 50 of the grooming gangs or the organised to be white in an 87 white country. Were talking about proportions 80 youve got a tiny proportions 80 youve got a tiny proportion of the population vastly overrepresented in this. Most horrific crime. And i think its sick that the left has covered it up. And thats why the left lost me. To be honest, i think britain is a lot richer for its multiculturalism. Right on that bombshell. Still ahead, were going to be giving our verdict about those stunning by Election Results last and considering rishi last week. And considering rishi sunak ban sunak potential ban on conversion therapy in more detail. But next up, its our regular meeting of the Greta Thunberg appreciation society. President leo kearse is with us. Youll hear more from him imminently. Youre with the saturday five live on on mark dolan tonight. In my big opinion, royal mail is now royal mail checks missing in the post birthday cards disappearing waiting days on end for that important invoice post, pat would be spinning in his grave. It pat would be spinning in his grave. It might take a ten comedy writer Richard Curtis apology quizzes for fat jokes and his un pc movies. Remember the good old days when films were allowed to be funny . Plus, mark meets the pundits and tomorrows papers. Were live. Tomorrows papers. Were live. At nine. Welcome back to the saturday five. Your emails have been flying in as ever. Cheers very much for them. Tucker has written in. I wonder if its tucker carlson. He says, oh, its definitely not. Its not multiculturalism thats gone wrong. Multiculturalism has worked , says tucker. Britains worked, says tucker. Britains a multicultural country. What has gone wrong , seriously wrong is gone wrong, seriously wrong is into grecian that has really, really failed. Antonio says. Dont forget prison is where criminals are locked up. So society is safe from them. I know i say we should put benjamin buttennorth in one. Maybe thats the answer for this. Now, though, its time for our next debate. And that isnt on or not benjamin on whether or not benjamin buttennorth in prison. Buttennorth should be in prison. Its lovable youngster its on the lovable youngster Greta Thunberg, who are all great fans of now. Shes had her say on the conflict in the middle east because obviously the entire section between climate and gaza, theyre one and the same. Lee aukus is very unimpressed, though. And i wonder why its time for leos lament. So yeah, as darren said, the eternally irritating doom unit great attenberg came out in favour of islamic jihad. This week. I mean, im not surprised everybody under 25 seems to have as well. But why is she supporting hamas . Why is she siding with these terrorists . I siding with these terrorists . I mean, she doesnt like it when we burn coal, but somehow hamas burning rocket fuel, burning peoples homes , even burning peoples homes, even burning civilians themselves is fine by her. She posted an image on social media with her holding up a sign saying, i think it said free gaza or i stand with gaza , free gaza or i stand with gaza, although she is sitting down and it interestingly in the corner, you can see there, a blue octopus , the significance of octopus, the significance of which was seized upon by some as an example of a dog whistle. It echoes propaganda that showed a blue octopus taking over the world, supposedly only standing for the for the jewish people. But what i want to know is why is Greta Thunberg taking sides on divisive, divisive issues such as the conflict in israel and the trans debate . Her core issue should be Climate Change, so she shouldnt be pushing away people who who should be who could be on her side. People who who should be who could be on her side. Israelis could be on her side. Israelis buy cars. Jews buy cars, civilised people buy cars. So dont alienate those people. Dont push them away. It really just shows that shes not interested in saving the climate at all. Shes just a desperate , at all. Shes just a desperate, fame hungry grifter. Like like fame hungry grifter. Like like so many other people in the left. Sorry, benjamin. And. And left. Sorry, benjamin. And. And shes just trying to reinvent herself like madonna. But like madonna , she needs to go out for madonna, she needs to go out for retirement now. So greta, sling your hook. Your hook. Well, well, well , benjamin, well, well, well, benjamin, youve got to have right to reply to being a fame hungry grifter. Grifter. Yeah, im not desperate, but the rest is true. I mean, look, the rest is true. I mean, look, i dont agree with Greta Thunberg on this, and i cant stand people that that talk of free palestine. Well the people that run palestine dont believe in any sort of freedom. So, you know, i issue with the know, i take issue with the conclusion she comes to. But she is someone who has built one of the of anybody the biggest platforms of anybody in world. Shes incredibly in the world. Shes incredibly influential. Ten of millions of young people listen to her. And i think its perfectly reasonable that shed have an opinion lots of things. You opinion on lots of things. You know, theres plenty of stuff that lecture about that you that you lecture about that you know nothing of. I hardly think you off. You can pull greta off. Think know more about i think i know more about most things than than a 14 year old child. 20 now, i think. Shes like 20 now, i think. Shes like 20 now, i think. Well, she still looks about 14. Dont know whats going 14. I dont know whats going on. And honestly, there must be 14. I dont know whats going on. Many1onestly, there must be 14. I dont know whats going on. Many scientists, 1ere must be 14. I dont know whats going on. Many scientists, soe must be 14. I dont know whats going on. Many scientists, so manyt be so many scientists, so many climate scientists whove Climate Change scientists whove slaved away. Theyve put the hours theyve got the phds, hours in, theyve got the phds, and they could be giving these lectures. And instead, you know, this little girl. This this, this little girl. Surely you dont think only experts on topics should have opinions on certain topics. Othennise what are we all doing here . Talking about things that we actually dont. Think ridiculous you think its a ridiculous idea to turn to experts idea for us to turn to experts for what they think instead of asking child, your inference asking a child, your inference is that no one other than experts on a topic should have an my my point an opinion. My point, my point is she cares about is that if she cares about climate shouldnt be Climate Change, she shouldnt be supporting like taking sides on divisive issues that will push away people. Like i was away people. Like if i was a civilised person, which im not, then id be id be saying, well, shes supporting hamas. Im not going to im not going to listen to her. On Climate Change. You know what . Im going to get a five litre car. Im going to do doughnuts the car park. Screw doughnuts in the car park. Screw you, greta. It sounds as though you want to be Greta ThunbergsCampaign Manager to be Greta Thunbergs campaign managtthis advice about what her all this advice about what she should and shouldnt do. But i think youre arguing i dont think youre arguing that shouldnt these that she shouldnt have these opinions saying opinions at all. Youre saying that was a better that if she was a better campaigner, if she was little campaigner, if she was a little bit intelligent the bit more intelligent in the way that strategized, if she that she strategized, if she cared about cared about cared about if she cared about Climate Change, she would only talk about Climate Change. I mean, lots of mean, i care about lots of things. I dont just talk things. And i dontjust talk about the things care about. I about the things i care about. I talk about things. A issue campaigner. No, thats true. But i dont think she has to be. Well but you know, if you did actually genuinely believe every you know, if you did actually genu ofly believe every you know, if you did actually genu of your lieve every you know, if you did actually genu of your being, every you know, if you did actually genu of your being, which ry you know, if you did actually genu of your being, which she fibre of your being, which she professes to do, you know, shes been quite few times been arrested quite a few times in climate alarmism. In the name of climate alarmism. Those short sentences its those short sentences not working. Shes re offender yes, shes the re offender yes, indeed. Saying things indeed. The saying things indeed. The world saying things indeed. The world sa� aboutlings indeed. The world sa� about to gs indeed. The world sa� about to end. Like, the world is about to end. If we dont action right if we dont take action right now. Well sorry, love, now. Well im sorry, love, but i dont think fire rockets dont think fire and rockets into every hour of the into israel every hour of the day is doing much for, i think the will be very clear. The big will be very clear. Her saying palestine her saying free palestine will stand with gaza does not necessarily supports necessarily mean she supports hamas. Got to hamas. And i think weve got to be clear about this. You be very clear about this. You can say palestine, can say free palestine, palestine dream. Can say free palestine, palyoure dream. Can say free palestine, palyoure being. Can say free palestine, palyoure being youre being youre being youre being naive. Were is it where is our outrage . Our didnt outrage . Where is our why didnt she i stand with israel when she say i stand with israel when the were killed . The civilians were being killed . But then all of a sudden shes shes with shes shes standing with gaza. Shes shes standing with gaza. Shes shes and shes shes taking a side and shes taking side barbarianism taking the side of barbarianism and know if she and terror. I dont know if she did she didnt condemnation did say she didnt condemnation to hamas or if she did say , i to hamas or if she did say, i stand with the israeli people that have been have been that have been that have been massacred terrorist massacred by the terrorist organisation hamas. Organisation that is hamas. Be very clear. You but lets be very clear. You can i support the can say i support the palestinian without Palestinian People without supporting Palestinian People without supp think the bigger concern is i think the bigger concern is people who are around gretas age generally to be more age generally seem to be more pro palestine than than pro israel. In the rest west and what that mean future what does that mean for future western support the state of israel . Well , yes, indeed. Well, yes, indeed. Well, yes, indeed. I mean , it is a really i mean, it is a really important point that how do we actually stop young people from being as indoctrinated as greta . Oh, thats so patronising. Oh, thats so patronising. Just because people just because they dont to same far right dont come to the same far right conclusions that you come doesnt they dont know doesnt mean they dont know what theyre talking about. Got up. Ive got to wrap up. Fortunately right. Loads more to come tonight on show, come tonight on the show, though, verdict on though, including our verdict on a new leader for the a possible new leader for the tories. Who could it be . Its tories. Who could it be . Its not. Leo tories. Who could it be . Its not. Leo kearse is rishi sunaks ban on conversion therapy a good idea . Have men forgotten how to dress . Answer all your dress . And we answer all your questions in flummox a5 keep your emails coming. Youre with us saturday five live on gb news away. Its saturday night. Welcome back to the saturday five. Im Darren Grimes along with Albie Amankona reem Ibrahim Benjamin buttennorth and leo kearse. More to come the kearse. Lots more to come on the show. To be spinning show. Were going to be spinning through the big stories through some of the big stories of week in bunch of five. Of the week in bunch of five. And a great guest and well have a great guest here discuss. Rishi sunaks here to discuss. Rishi sunaks plans to ban conversion therapy. Now to be asking now were going to be asking if men forgotten to dress men have forgotten to how dress smartly were smartly because leo shown were all tonight. Pay all up tonight. And well pay a tribute the football legend tribute to the football legend Bobby Charlton, who sadly passed away folks , away today. Now folks, do forget about your emails. Do not forget about your emails. I coming in because i want them coming in because you to flummox and you need to flummox the five and were flummoxed, ill were easily flummoxed, ill tell anything you tell you that much. Anything you want answer, well it want us to answer, well do it towards the of the show. Towards the end of the show. Its guaranteed to be non scripted, prepared and scripted, non prepared and nonsensical, just like a benjamin column benjamin buttennorth column hit us with absolutely everything youve got. Gb at youve got. Gb views at cbnnews. Com. But before the chaos get chaos restarts now, lets get your latest news with the lovely lisa hartle. Lisa hartle. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. The uk is calling on newsroom. The uk is calling on israel to show military restraint in its war with hamas. Addressing a peace summit in egypt, the foreign secretary said hes spoken to the Israeli Government about its duty to respect International Law and the importance of preserving civilian lives. James cleverly civilian lives. James cleverly also told the conference efforts need to be made to prevent an escalation in violence. Escalation in violence. We have a duty , a duty to we have a duty, a duty to Work Together to prevent instability from engulfing the region and claiming yet more lives. We must Work Together to lives. We must Work Together to prevent the tragic situation in gaza becoming a regional conflict because that is exactly what hamas wants. Trucks carrying humanitarian aid have now reached Southern Gaza. Now reached Southern Gaza. Its after the rafah crossing on the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. Israel imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel after the hamas terror attack. Meanwhile terror attack. Meanwhile israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue to fight until all hostage is being held by hamas are freed. Its after two hamas are freed. Its after two american citizens Judith Raanan and her 17 year old daughter, natalie , were released yesterday natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds. Made on humanitarian grounds. Its believed more than 200 people are still being held by the terrorist group propane opinion protests have been taking place in cities across the uk. Theyre calling for an the uk. Theyre calling for an end to the conflict in the middle east and demanding the government stop supporting israels actions. Police israels actions. Police estimate up to 100,000 people took part in a protest through Central London in salford, a group marched to the bbcs media city headquarters over the corporations reporting of the israel Hamas Conflict around 2000 people also took to the streets in belfast. Rallies were streets in belfast. Rallies were also held in birmingham and cardiff. In other news, tributes cardiff. In other news, tributes are being paid to sir Bobby Charlton , who has died at the charlton, who has died at the age of 86. He was a key member of englands World Cup Winning Team in 1966 and a club legend at Manchester United. His family said hed passed away peacefully in the early hours of this morning. In a statement, united morning. In a statement, united described sir bobby as the most one of the most beloved players in the history of the club and the prince of wales, whos president of the fa, called him a true great who will be remembered forever. The remembered forever. The Environment Agency is warning floods are likely to continue near major rivers in england until tuesday. Storm babet is dumping heavy rain in parts of the east midlands and south yorkshire. Nottinghamshire yorkshire. 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Now gb news considered and thoughtful opinions. Now gb news presented opinions. Now gb news presented nigel farage set tongues wagging when he suggested that he could be leading the conservative party by 2026. Even benjamin buttennorth said id vote for him. The former Brexit Party Leader was a prominent fixture at the conservative Party Conference earlier this month , conference earlier this month, but later told politico he made the comment in jest. But later told politico he made the comment in jest. But bearing in mind this weeks by Election Results is nigel farage as tory leader really such an unlikely scenario . So ill be if the scenario . So ill be if the tories are heading for opposition, do you reckon, nigel, would you be happy to serve under nigel farage Led Conservative Party . Conservative party . Look, i think nigel and i is quite obvious to everyone watching that were quite different people on the right wing of british politics and ive got lot of respect for ive got a lot of respect for nigel. I think what he with nigel. I think what he did with brexit was really quite impressive. Weve got impressive. But also weve got to remember was deemed to remember that he was deemed to remember that he was deemed to toxic to front the official Vote Leave Campaign. So the idea that the same person could front the most successful British Political Party in history , i Political Party in history, i think is for the birds. I think hes certainly had a very influential impact on the conservative party , but i think conservative party, but i think i would be very surprised if he ever became the leader of the conservative party. Benjamin, youre very excited about prospect about the prospect act. Have some yeah, you better have some libel after all, libel lawyers. After all, support us. Its obviously support for us. Its obviously never going to happen. I think thered be the most amazing internal war in the tories if there was a serious move to do it. I think even people that share farage style politics wouldnt want him in the tories because they know hed beat them in a leadership election with tory suspect. But tory members, i suspect. But look has been look, his whole career has been about shouting about shout, shouting at problems, problems. Problems, not solving problems. You know, he was very influential on persuading people to did to brexit, but he never did anything. He never had any answers. And so i cant imagine answers. And so i cant imagine this bloke that earns a very nice income and has a very nice life is going to want to do the actual hard graft of solving problems Prime Minister problems by being Prime Minister or tory leader. I mean, im not just i mean, leo im notjust saying this because we with saying this because we work with them, like everything from them, but like everything from them, but like everything from the to of the de banking crisis to of course his europol scepticism, which became very popular with the whole country, of course , or the whole country, of course, or 52 of it at least that that is a sign of a successful politician, is it not . Yeah. You can see where trends are going. And i mean, it might take a bit longer than 2026 for, know , where hes 2026 for, you know, where hes seeing the country is going to actually get there and for people to be sick of where its going. But it could happen. And also the conservative party, theyve really sort of been lured into the trap of becoming a really centrist, quite, quite a really centrist, quite, quite a large , quite socialist a large, quite socialist government. And its like the great comedian Geoff Norcott says, you know, people say to him, do you voting him, do you regret voting conservative . Says , no, conservative . And he says, no, but regret not getting but i regret not getting a conservative party you agree with those sentiments . I do. I do. Also really , i do. I do. Also really, really love nigel. I think hes fantastic communicator. I think he really does depict what it means to be pro brexit, but also pro free trade. And he, you pro free trade. And he, you know, he really his definite sign of what brexit should have looked like isnt the one that we have at the moment. Ultimately, the conservative government delivered on brexit. They they they took back control, but they weve policies that weve implemented policies that have negatively impacted the british. I will say british economy. I will say albee makes a very, very good point. Leave campaign point. The Vote Leave Campaign deemed too toxic to lead deemed nigel too toxic to lead it to be the face of it. And the reason why is because they thought he was too radical. The people that did already believe in brexit had believed in that and actually in order to get the Centre People side, the Centre People on side, the centrists nigel would centrists on side, nigel would have for that have been too toxic for that kind environment. Kind of environment. All right. All right. Well let the viewers decide because we asked you well let the viewers decide becausvote we asked you well let the viewers decide becausvote for we asked you well let the viewers decide becausvote for rishi rsked you well let the viewers decide becausvote for rishi sunaks you would vote for rishi sunaks conservative party next conservative party in the next general election. In now, 42 of you yes, 58 of you said no you said yes, 58 of you said no. So there goes albees prospects of being the next conservative mp. Then i thought, do you think so . I would. Are you quite surprised . I would have thought it would have been a lot higher for no than yes. Well, thats not a ringing endorsement, is it . No. No. Next up, folks, the closure of the only bank left on oakham high has made residents high street has made residents fearful theyll no longer fearful that theyll no longer be able to access notes and coins. Thats another issue that nigel farage has been good on. Rutland locals are largely retired and favour independent retailers and cafes , preferring retailers and cafes, preferring to pay with cash. But acts in the final local bank might mean businesses have to stop accepting cash altogether. So accepting cash altogether. So does the closure of high street banks mean that a cashless future is inevitable now . Benjamin plenty of cash in your bank account. Theres another liability statement, but do you ever carry any around . No no, i dont even, you know, a long time since ive even had a wallet that would take coins, for example. I dont know where youd even get such a thing. But look, you know, i think this thing of trying to thrust cash back into peoples lives doesnt make. Because the reason make sense. Because the reason that cards and that people use their cards and people ages use a card to people of all ages use a card to pay people of all ages use a card to pay with things or someone younger often use apple younger people often use apple pay phones and pay on their phones and equivalent versions because equivalent versions is because its equivalent versions is because its and equivalent versions is because its and its safer for its easier and its safer for a lot of these cafes to not have all the cash in the store. Theres no way its easier to set up an online account. Remember all the past words know all this. These things are doing. Im going to confess. And here is where friends and i do have friends think crazy. I have friends think im crazy. I only Internet Banking last only got Internet Banking last week, 31. What i. I always week, aged 31. What i. I always gone into the bank physically to do it and i have to say now ive got it. I mean, i really dont know what i was doing before. Its brilliant. And so if you can use it, it does, it does make more sense. But isnt it about allowing individuals to have that choice . I people enjoy i mean, many older people enjoy going bank. I know many, going to the bank. I know many, many people family, the many people in my family, the only time they really have any kind of Human Interaction is when the bank and when they go to the bank and when they go to the bank and when meet people and when they go to meet people and they enjoy that Human Interaction. Made interaction. Youve made the choice, to take some choice, im willing to take some rich the bank if rich old people to the bank if they want. Okay. Well. Well, im sure you enjoy selflessly. Do that selflessly. Well, youve made the choice to banking, and to switch to online banking, and thats you. And do thats great for you. And i do agree that much more agree that its much more efficient many people. But efficient for many people. But equally, there are many people that do and that dont wish to do that. And many are worried many people are worried about the tracking the government tracking where theyre spending. Exactly. A good well, exactly. Thats a good point, a lot of point, leo. There are a lot of viewers who say, hang a viewers who say, hang on a minute. You know, i dont trust the government and all the rest of after what happened during of it after what happened during the lockdown. The years of lockdown. If we hand them control over of the years of lockdown. If we han money, control over of the years of lockdown. If we han money, are trol over of the years of lockdown. If we han money, are trol ogoing of the years of lockdown. If we han money, are trol ogoing to be our money, are they going to be able say, we cant just bank able to say, we cant just bank you, were going to ensure that you, were going to ensure that you have any to you cant have any money to spend whatsoever . Exactly. Seeing digital exactly. Were seeing Digital Currencies being mooted that would which are would cbdcs. Yeah. Which are which horrific. It means which are horrific. It means that, you get given that, you know, you get given money only spend it money and you can only spend it and say a certain geography area within time limit. Within a certain time limit. Its sort of like a record vouchen its sort of like a record voucher. Wheres that . Thats absolutely rubbish. Britain. Its happening in britain. Its happening in britain. Coming. Albee this will be coming. Albee its happening its happening. Happening in china. Want know china. And if you want to know what looks like, what your future looks like, look china. Look at china. Well, think were well, i dont think were actually going end like actually going to end up like china. Benjamin on china. Im with benjamin on this. It is easier to do online banking. It is very easy to use your bank card on your your digital bank card on your apple pay. I do still think there is place cash there is a place for cash because if we do look older because if we do look at older people, visiting my people, i was visiting my grandmother outside of grandmother just outside of manchester after conservative party paying Party Conference. She was paying for cash. Theres Party Conference. She was paying for way cash. Theres Party Conference. She was paying for way shes cash. Theres Party Conference. She was paying for way shes going sh. Theres Party Conference. She was paying for way shes going to theres Party Conference. She was paying forway shes going to startes no way shes going to start using an iphone and using apple pay. And its not just got to be its just old people. Its its not just old people. Its also i mean, tory politicians, what are they going to snort their through . Their cocaine through . You that is well, you know, that is a very gallant concern that you have politicians who do have for tory politicians who do not how kind of you. Right. Anyway rishi sunak rac survey has found that a third of drivers have been forced to swerve lanes to avoid a pothole. In the past year. The findings also highlight a growing dissatisfaction with britains roads, with 49 saying it was their top concern. The highest figure since the annual survey beganin figure since the annual survey began in 2015. So why are britains roads fallen apart and failing motorists . Leo do you still take your ferrari out for a spin . Are you worried about potholes . I dont think id invest in a ferrari with the roads. The state theyre in, honestly. You drive around glasgow, youd think youre driving across a rutted field. Like. Its rutted field. Its like. Its like being in war torn somalia. Just shelled. You go just freshly shelled. You go down one pothole, youre not sure if youre going to come out the other side. Its ridiculous. No everybodys getting no wonder everybodys getting four fours. And four by fours. You cant. And its only going to get worse with getting electric with people getting electric cars battery cars because the battery is so heavy is until it blows up. Course is that nicola sturgeons campervan. Yeah. Yeah, ill be. Yeah, ill be. I mean you do are you worried i mean you do you get people talking to you in local politics and all the rest of it about potholes. Absolutely local politics and all the rest of i i about potholes. Absolutely local politics and all the rest of h mean, otholes. Absolutely local politics and all the rest of h mean, otia les. Absolutely local politics and all the rest of h mean, otia cyclist, olutely local politics and all the rest of h mean, otia cyclist, ilutely local politics and all the rest of h mean, otia cyclist, i know i mean, as a cyclist, i know everyone cyclists, but everyone hates cyclists, but i do a lot. If you cycle do cycle a lot. If you cycle over a pothole , you can over a pothole, you can ruin your bike. Could fall over your bike. You could fall over and really hurt. Well, thats a shame. I want. I want. But seriously, its a serious issue. Cyclists get seriously injured potholes. Issue. Cyclists get seriously injured potholes. Horses issue. Cyclists get seriously injured potholes. Horses also injured by potholes. Horses also dont like it when there are those and of those Police Horses and of course, cars can get course, peoples cars can get damaged potholes well. Damaged from potholes as well. But is our but the question is, is our council is being given enough money or raising enough money from in order to fix from council tax in order to fix this . Because this is actually a local government problem, not a National Government problem. And we talk about local we dont talk about local government we dont talk about local governmelvery true. We dont talk about local governme|very true. Think thats very true. And i think its important point. Its a very important point. National government is not responsible potholes. Its responsible for potholes. Its the councils that are the local councils that are i would argue, if we were to reform the tax system and make local councils responsible for raising revenue , a raising their own revenue, a this could actually come some way in solving the housing crisis because councils will be incentivised to want more taxpayers their council to taxpayers in their council to raise more money. Equally it raise more money. But equally it would that their response would mean that their response bill potholes and their bill for potholes and their actually engaged actually actively being engaged with taxpayers like that because im youll youll be aware with taxpayers like that because irrmatteroull youll be aware with taxpayers like that because irrmatter how youll be aware with taxpayers like that because irrmatter how many be aware with taxpayers like that because irr matter how many times are with taxpayers like that because irr matter how many times people no matter how many times people complain about potholes, it doesnt make doesnt really make a difference. On. Didnt well, hang on. Didnt margaret try something Margaret Thatcher try Something Like with poll tax . Yes like that with the poll tax . Yes but the poll very well. The poll tax is slightly different because means that, different because it means that, you know, every every individual is the same, matter is taxed. The same, no matter what their house what the value of their house is. But actually, what does is. But actually, what this does is. But actually, what this does is local councils is it means that local councils are incentivised try and are incentivised to try and engage more tax payers and engage with more tax payers and theyre just more accountable to them. On potholes. One of the on potholes. One of the shocking things that i remember from coronation know from the coronation i dont know if saw, but they if any of you saw, but they actually to fill the actually had to fill the potholes on pall mall and on the procession route with sand to ensure was ensure that that was a conservative council into ensure that that was a c0|thelative council into ensure that that was a c0|the labourouncil into ensure that that was a c0|the Labour Council into ensure that that was a c0|the Labour Council this to ensure that that was a c0|the Labour Council this is. It. The Labour Council this is. But at the time it was a conservative. Westminster was conservative. Whoever was in charge of that council was not doing their job at filling the potholes and it meant on of the most meant that on one of the most important days in this nations history, we had fill up history, we had to fill up potholes with sand so horses wouldnt fill into it. Well benjamin, show, youre benjamin, on this show, youre good at digging holes. So do you care about so what do you care about filling them . Ive never driven a car, which interests of which is in the interests of everyone who does drive a car. But, this is one of but, you know, this is one of the things that in the real world peoples world really affects peoples quality. Its the kind quality of life. Its the kind of disrupts and, you of basic that disrupts and, you know, tax has never been higher for of working age right for people of working age right now. Everything britain now. And everything in britain is shouldnt be a is broken. So it shouldnt be a surprise the roads too. Surprise that the roads are too. But you do look at the amount of money people paying tax and think even fill think you cant even fill a pothole. Yes. Yeah. Are spending yeah. What are you spending the architect the money on now . Architect emily has apologised emily blunt has apologised for a fatphobic remark made in a video from 2012. Its been circulating again on twitter this week. Again on twitter this week. Lets have a listen. Lets have a listen. The girl who was serving me was enormous. You know, i think she got freebie meals at chillis. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. And she comes out and she goes, did anyone ever tell you you look a lot like emily blunt . Jonathan or was he jonathan ross, or was he there taking the moral high ground . A now, did ground . What a world now, did those require an those comments really require an apology . And ten years on or over ten years on 12 years, 12 years on, does that require an apology again . Absolutely not. And i think that this is where we starting to wrap people in cotton wool was starting to become more sensitive. And as a society, i mean, i actually dont think you should apologising should be apologising for anything with that length of time anyway, unless its incredibly egregious. But this really ultimately, really is not. And ultimately, these of very offhand these kind of very offhand comments. Now as a result of this kind of break down in society where people feel as though they need to be protected by everything , i mean, for by everything, i mean, for goodness sake, pair. Well goodness sake, grow a pair. Well ill be youre probably with goodness sake, grow a pair. Well ill be blunte probably with goodness sake, grow a pair. Well ill be blunt onobably with goodness sake, grow a pair. Well ill be blunt on this ly with goodness sake, grow a pair. Well ill be blunt on this because the emily blunt on this because the way on sometimes you way you go on sometimes you would people the would have fat people in the stocks certainly have fat stocks and i certainly have fat people more and people doing more exercise and eating eating moving more. Look, i think we cant be scared of calling people fat. And to be saying that it is a bad thing to be fat. Now a days you have people put fat phobia on the level as racism or on the same level as racism or homophobia sexism. Its not homophobia or sexism. Its not it is bad to be fat. If someone is fat. Its not a hate crime to describe them as enormous. So i think emily blunt being dragged free, speech being dragged over the coals for something she said 12 years ago, describing someone as having to as enormous and having to apologise ridiculous. Apologise for it is ridiculous. Mean, leo, the truth and i mean, leo, the truth is here, if blunt has to here, if emily blunt has to apologise for that, then you really are done for. Oh, yeah. These are fence archaeologists who go dig archaeologists who go back, dig back through somebody tweets until 12 years ago. They until like 12 years ago. They find outline of a fat find the faint outline of a fat phobic slur. Its ridiculous. Yeah, should dig through yeah, they should dig through mine. Just need go back mine. You just need to go back to yesterday. Im benjamin. To yesterday. Im benjamin. You must have im benjamin. You must have said some offensive things once or ithink said some offensive things once or i think emily blunt is right i think emily blunt is right to apologise. Oh, come on. To apologise. Oh, come on. Because its so incredibly rude. You know, i dont want to see an extremely rich, you know , extremely rich, you know, unbelievably attractive, skinny woman lecturing some minimum wage person whos a bit ovenneight on national television. I think thats just television. I think thats just rude. Fat people. No, theyre fat. Dont need to make fat. They dont need you to make a joke out of it. I dont think the woman and i dont think the woman was saying anything bad to emily blunt. Was she was blunt. Right. She was she was just a nice conversation just having a nice conversation with telly. With her National British telly. Shes called fat. Terrible she was it was a terrible she was saying describing what she saying was describing what she saw situation. But saw in that situation. But imagine similar that story imagine similar to that story last about fiona bruce when last week about fiona bruce when she black bloke over she said that black bloke over there was forced there and she was forced to apologise that. And apologise because of that. And i said, i thought that was ridiculous. That that a ridiculous. That that was a black man. That was a fat its not actually the big deal. Can i just you know, imagine just say that, you know, imagine youre know, youre that person. You know, youre that person. You know, you struggling with you might be struggling with your weight. Youre having a really time and then really hard time and then someone is just broadcast that insult people. Insult to millions of people. I think gratuitous just think its gratuitous and just quite yes. Think its gratuitous and just quiwow. Yes. Think its gratuitous and just quiwow. Finally a climate expert wow. Finally a climate expert has been fired after turning down flight and taken 50 days down a flight and taken 50 days to research to reach his research destination. Gianluca destination. Now Gianluca Grimaldi , im sorry if ive got grimaldi, im sorry if ive got your name wrong. There refused a flight and asked to be allowed to travel by other means to reduces carbon emissions. His route, which included travelling by cargo , ship, ferry, bus and by cargo, ship, ferry, bus and train , took 50 days. Grimaldo train, took 50 days. Grimaldo was warned that hed be dismissed if he refused to get on the plane, but said if he had to comply with such demands to keep his job, hed rather lose it. Now benjamin , youve been it. Now benjamin, youve been known take a few flights once known to take a few flights once or twice in your life. Would you be name of climate be in the name of Climate Change . Id be willing to give it all up. I think given he works for a Climate Research group , its Climate Research group, its incredible hypocrisy. You go on about it. But you go on about it. But you go on about it. They made him get the flight when he was doing ethical when he was doing it on ethical grounds. Definitely with grounds. Im definitely with this i think. You know, i this guy, i think. You know, i dont know how it takes 50 dont quite know how it takes 50 days papua new days to get from Papua New Guinea. Dont think it should guinea. I dont think it should take that long. But ive taken you 50 to but ive taken you 50 days to go jungle wherever it go to the jungle or wherever it was he went. Well, that was actually i was quite near new guinea and quite near Papua New Guinea and it 16 hours to get it took about 16 hours to get back. So there is quicker option. But you on a flight. But you were on a flight. Yes, exactly. You were on a flight . I was. Yes now, whose side are you on . Yeah. I mean, this guy as much as a slam climber, activists, that have activists, the ones that have some are guys like some respect for are guys like this. Emma thompson, Emma Thompson first thompson would have flown first class, chucking cigar class, you know, chucking cigar butts as went butts out the window as she went entailing, know, little entailing, you know, the Little People have to cut people that they have to cut their flights so she can their easyjet flights so she can enjoy her life of luxury. This guy is actually living he guy is actually living what he says, to say, says, although ive got to say, cargo ships dont run in zero. Carbon cars dont run on zero carbon. Hes still burning carbon. Hes still burning carbon you carbon to get there. Can you Just Research by zoom . Just do the research by zoom . All right. Well have to end it now still to come, it there. Now still to come, though, forgotten how though, have men forgotten how to as i say, leo to dress properly . As i say, leo kearse showing us the way. And were answer were going to answer your questions five. Questions in flummox the five. So them coming in. So please keep them coming in. Next up, well be discussing Prime Minister rishi sunaks plans ban plans to potentially ban conversion therapy. And weve got help got a guest along to help us chew on one. Youre chew the fat on that one. Youre with the saturday five live on. Listening to gb news radio show. Welcome. Back to the saturday five. As always, cheers very much for your emails about tonights topics. Richards written in about leo and he says leo is the voice common sense, not less voice of common sense, not less sense. There are very sense. Well, there we are very true, says most of our true, rob. Rob says most of our knowledge of the israel palestine conflict is spotty best. However, there spotty at best. However, there needs to be balance. Violence needs to be balance. Violence will not end the situation, stop the violence. Regardless of who the violence. Regardless of who you support. The violence. Regardless of who you support. But philip, i think, has my favourite email and he says that i love how benjamin stands his ground and takes the jibes. Hes still takes the jibes. Hes still wrong, but i drink wine on a park bench with him now. He is often found on a park bench with a bottle of wine. So if you buy the wine, ill turn up to the bench now, folks, next up, its our next discussion. Discussion. Prime minister rishi sunak is reportedly set to move fonnard with a bill to ban conversion therapy in the kings speech, including for transgender people. Or is he . The times reported this week that the Prime Minister will include a draft bill in the kings speech in november, which will make it a criminal offence to attempt to change someones sexuality and gender identity in england and wales. But now other reports are wales. But now other reports are claiming that this may not be the case. And another u turn may well be on the way. Weve got jayne ozanne , the chair of the jayne ozanne, the chair of the ban conversion therapy coalition. She spoke to the i this week about this topic and shes been kind enough to speak to us now ill be youre going to us now ill be youre going to speak to jane. Take it away. Jane, thank you so much for joining evening. You joining us this evening. You know , i understand that youve know, i understand that youve actually understand that actually been i understand that youve through youve actually been through this therapy process, this conversion therapy process, jane, maybe to us a little jane, maybe talk to us a little bit about what conversion therapy actually is and why the government to ban it. In government needs to ban it. In your opinion. Your opinion. Thanks, abby. Well, conversion therapy is an umbrella term that mean any umbrella term that can mean any practise that seeks to change, cure or suppress a persons Sexual Orientation or gender identity. And it can take any form from in religious settings, prayers and exorcisms through to more violent forms of people being physically threatened to sadly even forced rape to verbal forms. Frankly, anything that has the predetermined purpose , a has the predetermined purpose, a mindset by the perpetrator that says that who you are is not acceptable either. In our religion or in our culture. And that you must somehow change or suppress who you are. And we suppress who you are. And we know that that causes such really deep Mental Health problems to the point that the level of attempted suicide and completed suicide is really very high. And jane, what would you say to people perhaps from the religious community who would say, if someone wants to take part in this sort of thing and its not coercive , then that its not coercive, then that should be allowed. And actually, if we were going to ban that, that would be an infringement on peoples liberty. What would say to liberty. What would you say to people had that opinion on . People that had that opinion on . Well, all forms of conversion therapy are , by their very therapy are, by their very nature, coercive. In fact, the nature, coercive. In fact, the truth is the fact that someones grown up in an environment where theyre told as i was, that who you are is sinful, wrong and abomination meant that i willingly went out and sought for 20 years people who would pray for me, people who would deliver me from what we thought were various spirits, people who would give me counselling and heaung would give me counselling and healing prayer. And it meant that i ended up in hospital fighting for my life with my body, tracking up under the strain. And i know so many others havent actually survived that. So all forms are coercive and need to be banned. But if we put in a coercive clause, which is what we understood the Prime Minister was thinking about, it puts all the onus on the vulnerable victim to prove that they were coerced rather than on they were coerced rather than on the perpetrator who gets away with carrying on as they always have. So when you hear when you hear ministers like Kemi Badenoch talking about unintended consequences and then it cannot be right that therapists who are having challenging conversations with people suffering from gender distress about transitioning cannot be criminalised. What do you say to that . Because surely it cannot be right that therapists and families having those Difficult Conversations are banned from doing so, doing so as a result of this legislation . Of this legislation . Well, its complete hogwash. Ill be nobodys banning those conversations. And kemi knows that this is purely a ruse by those who have a different agenda, who dont like trans people, who dont think that young people should be exposed to trans what they call ideology. All conversations, whether theyre in the therapist chair, whether theyre in the ministry of a religious leader or a parental home that challenges a young person, are good and right and proper. But its when theyre told that they can never be trans or they can never be gay because it doesnt fit with their culture. That predetermined purpose , which is predetermined purpose, which is what the lawyers around the world have come together to recommend to the government they need to conclude the definition of this phrase predetermined purpose. Thats when we have a problem. But having you so much problem. But having you so much for joining us this evening on what is a very thorny issue for some people. Jayne ozanne, thank you very much. Now, leo, i want to come back to that point that albee made there about Kemi Badenoch. Now she would argue that she is an anti trans , im quite sure. Were anti trans, im quite sure. Were she here now that whole the premise of that question, though, was saying shes worried that actually being able to say to a young person, i mean, would you be worried about your child, for example, not being able to have a conversation with them for fear being accused of for fear of being accused of conversion therapy . Exactly. And the danger yeah, exactly. And the danger that seen tavistock that weve seen at the tavistock and in gender clinics in the in the usa is that children are almost railroaded into into transitioning. Theres not enough sort of questions asked. And there are obviously young theyre impressionable , so theyre impressionable, so theyre impressionable, so theyre vulnerable. I see the theyre vulnerable. I see the some of the doctors who fervently believe in this transgender ideology and believe that any display of the other gender is evidence that this person must be trans and must be must be transitioned and put on puberty blockers, which are a pathway 98, i believe. Then go on to further hormones and surgery and all the rest of it. I think the danger is that theyre actually converting , theyre actually converting, getting people to trans and the conversion therapy ban would ban any therapist from having the Difficult Conversations that might that might stop people from from converting to trans. Leo its not just about trans issues. Its not just about trans people. This is an lgbt conversion therapy ban, which the government actually committed to in the 2019 manifesto. And i think it was actually quite disgraceful that we tried to u turn that. We tried to u turn on that. So im happy that im actually quite happy that we are seeing this come back into the policy sphere. Do the policy sphere. But i do think that its important that there are mitigations to guard against unintended consequences. Against unintended consequences. Its totally wrong. But with regards to be sent, but with regards to be sent, but with regards to be sent, but with regards to gay to be that regards to gay to be told that theyre not but does that theyre not gay. But does that happen . With that . Yeah, of course. But that happened that happened in the 19505. Happened that happened in the 1950s. Yeah happened like 1950s. Yeah it happened like last mean, on. Does last week. I mean, come on. Does that that happen in modern that does that happen in modern britain . Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Yes, it does. Does happen. But i do it does happen. But i do think that the unintended consequence of this kind of policy to mitigate policy are important to mitigate and banning and ultimately banning conversion is a threat conversion therapy is a threat to free speech. Oh, well, come off it. Oh, well, come off it. Its not conversion therapy. Its state sanctioned torture. And should be disgraced by and you should be disgraced by yourself for agreeing with benjamin. What if an individual would like to see . Theres a reason why no straight has ever wanted straight person has ever wanted conversion to be gay. Conversion therapy to be gay. Its not about them. Its about being theyre wrong. Being told that theyre wrong. In place and youre in the first place and youre supporting torture of gay supporting the torture of gay people. The people. If you oppose the torture gay people. Because, torture of gay people. Because, as you know, jane, just jane just described after she had just described how after she had conversion and shes conversion therapy and shes been the of england been in the church of england her how she ended up her whole life, how she ended up in because shed been in a hospital because shed been so as a so seriously ill as a consequence of that. You should be ashamed of yourself. Okay. Calling time. Im okay. Im calling time. Im calling for some calling time. Im off for some conversion. I will be still you. Wonderful viewers, get to flummox the five and there is still time for your questions. So get them in now and well go through them at the very end. But next, though, our sales of trainers skyrocket while those of formal shoes decline will be asking, cant men dressed smartly anymore . Likely youll curse. Why would anyone think that . I wonder, benjamin buttennorth, youre with the saturday five live on. Youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Welcome back to the saturday five. Were going to talk about anissue five. Were going to talk about an issue close to all of our hearts, fashion or in this case, the lack of it. Now, traditionally , men would wear traditionally, men would wear smart shoes. Of course, im sure a lot of you are used to seeing your dad, perhaps with smart shoes to the workplace. But shoes to the workplace. But recent sales figures indicate that actually were becoming a nafion that actually were becoming a nation of slobs. As people nation of slobs. As people strut around offices around the uk in trainers and other types of casual wear. Trainers and other types of casual wear. Now makers of formal footwear are losing millions a year. And even leading american politicians are strolling around the senate in shorts and trainers. Is this an outrage . Are you outraged . Leo outrage . Are you outraged . Leo i want to start with you. First of all. Oh, im going to ingrid, actually, im to going the wonderful Ingrid Tarrant. Actually, im to going the wonderful Ingrid Tarrant. So wonderful Ingrid Tarrant. So here to discuss and the lamentable decline in standards is the tv personality and broadcaster Ingrid Tarrant. Broadcaster Ingrid Tarrant. Ingnd broadcaster Ingrid Tarrant. Ingrid men cant dress properly these days. What do you thinks gone wrong . Well, first of all, can i just ask you men to just put up put your best foot fonnard for me . Me . Well, i mean , if i put my well, i mean, if i put my shoes up , ive got i have shoes up, ive got i have actually got a pair of trainers on, im afraid. But leos got lovely brown shoes on size 41. Theyre like bolts. Ingrid well, actually , ive been looking at actually, ive been looking at your footwear , and 50 of you your footwear, and 50 of you are wearing trainers. Are wearing trainers. So theres you and benjamin and albie and leo are wearing shoes. And albie and leo are wearing shoes. But on the whole , most shoes. But on the whole, most men are wearing trainers, and thatis men are wearing trainers, and that is the end, really kind of the end of the lovely polished shoe, which love, i have to say. And id you know, i know what started this. It has to be David Beckham because he made all these trainers fashionable and everything and, you know, was looking. The figures are looking. The figures are absolutely shocking how much theyve lost in revenue , £23 theyve lost in revenue, £23 million in lost revenue by churches. Remember, churches . Churches. Remember, churches . Yes. And trickers have lost £300,000 in the last year. So £300,000 in the last year. So they need to do like a thing with David Beckham and get him to wear the lovely old brogues. And you know, get that back on track. Well you know, ingrid, actually, i read that tony blair used to wear a pair of churchs shoes at Prime Ministers questions every week. So maybe thats whats done it for poor churches. Oh, youre right. Think of that. Oh, youre right. Think of that. Oh, yeah. Well, lets that. Oh, yeah. Well, lets blame him. And if were saying tony blair is the sort of icon of fashion, then were all just going off on a tangent to nowhere, arent we . Well, theres just absolutely no hope. But talking about footwear, which we started off because that was the story today, paper is rightly said in the senate also. The other thing is its not just the shoes, its the attire. Im talking about men and just recently, well, on the 4th of october, to be precise, i feel like im going to be like a detective here taking notes on the 4th of december. The cardiff universe students union. Um banned or a temporary ban , i should say, on temporary ban, i should say, on chinos and blue shirts because of and quote, dangerous behaviour portrayed by groups of individuals wearing chinos and blue shirts in the. Yolo. Yolo is a nightclub few on the 4th of october. So now theyve put a temporary ban on that. So im looking again at you guys and what youre wearing. I mean, leo, you look fantastic. He does on the court. If i was on the pull, id go for you. Oh, well, there we are. Oh, well, there we are. There we are. Thats a ring. And endorsement. Ingrid my time would you say. My time would you say. Would you say actually that you would go as far as to say we need to start doing what that university and Start University has done and start banning from wearing banning people from wearing these of clothing that are these items of clothing that are too relaxed . Too relaxed . No, because this was smart. No, because this was smart. No, because this was smart. That was smart. Casual, right. Okay. So you draw the line at trainers , though, or you draw trainers, though, or you draw the line trainers , the preppy pfeppy it was preppy it was kind of the preppy look. I think it was. How dare look. I think it was. How dare you a privileged, preppy type you be a privileged, preppy type of ingrid , then of attitude. So, ingrid, then just to end on that, who is your ideal man to model the nation on . Well, tonight id say leo but, leo, you got me off the top there. Leo. Leo cursed. Look at that. Look at that thing. All right, ingrid, thank you very much for your time. I do appreciate it. Thats ingnd i do appreciate it. Thats Ingrid Tarrant there, the tv personality and broadcaster. Personality and broadcaster. Now, leo, i want to start with you. You dont normally dress so lovely, do you . Youre in for a special. Yeah. I had to film special. Yeah. I had to film a special. Yeah. I had to film a promo yeah. I had to film a promo before this show. Not that this show isnt important to me, but i did dress up for the boys in a great shirt. Oh, he is. Oh, he is. But he doesnt normally make so much of an effort, what so much of an effort, is what im saying. So much of an effort, is what im itsing. So much of an effort, is what im its called the waist coat its called the waist coat and the suit. I got married. I got married in this suit. Oh, wow. Did you actually. Yeah. Wow. And shes still with shocked . With you . Are you shocked . Shocked that he got married or that suit . That it was in that suit . Both. Both. I mean, look, its lovely of ingnd i mean, look, its lovely of ingrid to say youre the best dressed. If you look just out of shot. She guide dog, shot. She has a guide dog, though, so not quite the same. Look, i actually ingrid look, i actually think ingrid makes good point. Weve makes a very good point. Weve seen decline in the way men seen a decline in the way men dress. Want see. Im very dress. I want to see. Im very attracted men that wear attracted to men that wear lovely and i think lovely suits. And i think id like see men walking like to see more men Walking Around suits. We see them around in suits. We see them nowadays track or even nowadays and track suits or even at office. You see you at the office. You see men, you know, longer a tie. I know, longer wearing a tie. I would to see more men dress would like to see more men dress more if you go would like to see more men dress moreto if you go would like to see more men dress moreto the if you go would like to see more men dress moreto the 19th if you go would like to see more men dress moreto the 19th century, u go would like to see more men dress moreto the 19th century, this back to the 19th century, this was normal. People even working class would dressed was normal. People even working clithis would dressed was normal. People even working clithis way. Would dressed in this way. I mean, my granddad always used to he was down the pit and he used to always dress up in a suit he went out. So suit every time he went out. So it have tricky on the it must have been tricky on the top part. Not the top whilst i go look for me top hat and tails. Coming up next, well be answering questions answering your questions in flummox far more flummox the five. But far more importantly that will be importantly than that will be paying importantly than that will be paying tribute footballing paying tribute to footballing legend who legend sir Bobby Charlton, who sadly away youre sadly passed away today. Youre with on gb news. Welcome back to the saturday five. Now, before we finish the show, we wanted to pay tribute to the legendary england footballer Bobby Charlton, who has passed away at the age of 86. So were going to get more on this from the voice of sport here at gb news. Aiden mcgee aiden. Cheers very much for your company. Weve lost one of englands greatest players of all time here, havent we . Good evening, darren, first of all, and to the rest of the saturday five crew. Yes, that would be putting it mildly. I mean, there was a dwindling band of players still surviving from the 1966 triumph, and were now just left with one, and thats sir geoff hurst. Bobby charlton, though he was a stellar name throughout his career. And throughout his career. And consider everything. If we strip things the very things back to what was the very beginning him. He born beginning for him. He was born in north east england in in the north east of england in ashington, he grew up a ashington, and he grew up in a football family. The great jackie youll be jackie milburn, who youll be familiar with as newcastle familiar with as a Newcastle United played local united fan, played for the local team. Bobby, who you can see team. But bobby, who you can see in there and his man in the picture there and his man united shirt and brother united shirt and his brother jack, they to find jack, they went off to find fame, fortune and success. Jack at and bobby at at leeds and bobby over at Manchester United. The of Manchester United. The two of them really on them didnt really get on through, through periods of through, through vast periods of their professional lives, not just because they face each other the there were other on the pitch. There were family contend with family rivalry to contend with as if you think that as well. But if you think that Bobby Charlton part the Bobby Charlton was part of the busby babes of 1958, most of that team perished on the runway in munich when the team were on their way back from a european tie. European football was quite a fledgling thing back then. Manchester united were kind of looked down for taking looked down upon for even taking part competition in. So part in the competition in. So that a that contained that was a team that contained players as players like Duncan Edwards as well as Bobby Charlton and they didnt actually get to fulfil what they were destined to do. What they were destined to do. And so to come back from that ten years later be part of that rebuild. Darren and , and to rebuild. Darren and, and to claim a european cup at wembley for Manchester United against benfica for Manchester United against benfica and the great eusebio under the twin towers was an extraordinary achievement. To my knowledge, he is the only engush knowledge, he is the only english player to have won both the world cup and the european cup. You consider his numbers as well. 249 goals in 758 games for Manchester United for england , Manchester United for england, and it was 49 goals in 106 caps. That record was only broken in 2016 by wayne rooney. That has mean gary lineker got quite close to it in the early 90s, but this was in a period as well where midfielders didnt really score goals. He wasnt a striker. Darren this is the important thing to consider here. Was a sometimes a deep here. He was a sometimes a deep lying but he lying midfielder, but he actually a an actually got fonnard a lot in an era when midfielders werent really score goals. Really expected to score goals. And hes still surpassed and yet hes still surpassed that same terms of that all the same in terms of his life after football. Well, dont underestimate the influence he had on David Beckhams career. We saw in the Netflix Documentary that beckhams huge beckhams father was a huge fan of Bobby Charlton taught of Bobby Charlton and taught him to bobby to kick the ball like Bobby Charlton back garden. He charlton in his back garden. He was also part of the Bobby CharltonSoccer School in charlton Soccer School back in the actually won the the 80s. He actually won the thing unbelievably, was thing unbelievably, which was unheard a boy from unheard of for a boy from east london. He taken under london. But he was taken under the of Bobby Charlton, and the wing of Bobby Charlton, and beckham awe of beckham was clearly in awe of the and got to know him. The player and got to know him. Of later on when he of course, later on when he played, Alex Ferguson said played, sir Alex Ferguson said in clearly, many in his book, quite clearly, many times actually, that when things were bad for sir alex in were going bad for sir alex in the period united, the early period at united, probably 86 to 91, Bobby Charlton a director, stuck up charlton as a director, stuck up for at every single turn for him at every single turn because to somebody who because he knew to somebody who was doing the right in was doing the right thing in football and was extremely football and he was extremely loyal. Counts loyal. Sir Alex Ferguson counts on that friendship a great deal. On that friendship a great deal. Dont forget as well, the influence he had over london 2012. I actually interviewed him at the laureus sports award in london we were both london 2012, and we were both living at the living in manchester at the time, in cheshire, time, both living in cheshire, not from each i not too far from each other. I think his house was probably slightly than mine slightly bigger than mine actually, but nonetheless he was. Really discuss was. We didnt really discuss much football. Much about football. We discussed about life and discussed stuff about life and he generous with his he was very generous with his time a very warm individual time and a very warm individual and absolute darren of and an absolute giant darren of engush english football and International English football and inteaiden nal to we english football and inteaidennal to we go english football and inteaiden nal to we go to aiden just to before we go to our next topic i just our next topic there, i just wanted you, some people wanted to ask you, some people feel actually weve lost feel that actually weve lost what was the very best generation of englands footie players. A different players. You know, a different breed, might gents breed, they might say true gents , do you think is that is that sadly true when see man sadly true when you see man united with their black armbands and things like that, are you feeling a sense of greater loss . Feeling a sense of greater loss . Remember, im old well, remember, im old enough to remember back in 1993, darren, when we lost sir bobby moore, captain that great moore, the captain of that great side. It was the late millwall chairman, reg burr, said to chairman, reg burr, who said to me phone when i was me over the phone when i was asking tribute, he said, asking for a tribute, he said, aiden, feels weve lost aiden, it feels like weve lost a to better era. 30 years a link to a better era. 30 years on, almost exactly 30 years on, i feel the same, actually. Darren im sure you do as well. Now that we have lost a link to a better era. And dont forget those still stand alone those players still stand alone in team as the side who in that 66 team as the side who won world cup. Weve seen so won the world cup. Weve seen so many then. Weve many times since then. Weve gone times, we gone close a few times, but we havent picked up the havent actually picked up the trophy are we closest to trophy. Or are we closest to doing it closest to it now than we at time in the last we were at any time in the last ten, years . Yes would say ten, 15 years . Yes i would say so. Crossing the line as so. But crossing the line as those guys did 66, remains is those guys did in 66, remains is unchartered territory for our current players. Aidan thank indeed, aidan magee, thank you for that brilliant you very much for that brilliant tribute now, folks, all tribute there. Now, folks, all the best. Its time to flummox the best. Its time to flummox the where you wonderful the five where you wonderful viewers set the agenda. So cheers very much for sending in all your questions for us. Im going to get the ball rolling with this question from sandy. Now has written in and she now sandy has written in and she says, sunak rally the says, will rishi sunak rally the conservative party in time for the next general election or is he just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic . I think ive got to put that one to Albie Amankona. I think he can. I think he can get the conservative party in good fighting order for the next general election. Look what people were hearing on the doorstep out in tamworth and in mid bedfordshire was that our voters didnt want to come out and they wanted a reason and vote. They wanted a reason to out and vote to come out and vote conservative, but they just werent hearing one. So if they do good compelling do hear a good compelling conservative reason to vote for rishi sunak, i believe, i believe our voters will come back out to what are they . But weve got weve to give weve got to weve got to give them weve got to give. Them one. Weve got to give. Exactly. Exactly. Thats the point. What are the point. Leo, what are the conservative to vote for conservative reasons to vote for the party . Conservative reasons to vote for the well, party . Conservative reasons to vote for thewell, think party . Conservative reasons to vote for thewell, think partyis kind well, i think rishi is kind of unfortunate i think of unfortunate because i think the reason to vote for the conservatives like conservatives is that hes like the leader in a while the first leader in a while whos conned, competent whos been conned, competent and plausible lied and plausible and hasnt lied and hasnt great mess in a hasnt made a great mess in a short period of time. So, i mean, i trust that rishi is a leader, so its a shame hes come in the end of a come in in the tail end of a conservative administration. I think hes up, you know, the titanic, comparison, the titanic, that comparison, is that i i think the yeah, i think i think the conservative party are just tired. Theyve been in too tired. Theyve been in power too long. Around this long. We see this around this this point same thing happened to labour last round under to labour last time round under under tony blair. Briefly, all right. Very briefly, lets rishi sunak was lets not forget rishi sunak was chancellor lockdowns. He responsible for the he is responsible for the expansion the welfare state, expansion of the welfare state, the of public spending the expansion of public spending and quantitative and ultimately quantitative easing, which resulted in this economic mess. Benjamin, i know what okay, benjamin, i know what you think that he is snookered. Well, if this happens right after conference when hes had this big pitch to the country and new ideas, and and announced new ideas, and then that then the tories do that badly, that really doesnt. That really doesnt. Was hardly a big well, it was hardly a big pitch. I think im with benjamin buttennorth on that one, but our next question from christian. Next question is from christian. Christian says lefties, we see we close open we cannot close our open southern its not southern border because its not compassionate. How about we stop the boats . But simultaneously commit to extra monetary aid directly for countries people are fleeing from . Well do you know what, christian . Ive been struck by something today because ive seen a lot of people talking about palestines rights to have secure borders and all the rest of it. But leo kearse they dont seem very keen on us having our own. Yeah, exactly. And in fact, some people have been saying we should take in refugees from from you know, while, from gaza. And you know, while, you know, a really sympathised with their plight, i dont think given the rising levels of anti semitism in the uk is the ideal to bring in hundreds ideal time to bring in hundreds of thousands of palestinians. All right. Now next, though, weve got this question from robert. Robert says, do you think our next pm should be under 40 . I mean , reem does that. Youre mean, reem does that. Youre young. Well, maybe then theyd solve the housing crisis. I mean , the housing crisis. I mean, really, you know, there is nothing. Lets think about the nothing. Lets think about the current situation. Weve got huge amounts of intergenerational inequality. Weve got the triple lock on pensions, which effectively means i know a lot of our viewers wont this, but viewers wont like this, but unfortunately, means that 27 unfortunately, it means that 27 of are millionaires of pensioners are millionaires and theyre unable to then go on to buy different houses. I just want to make this very small point. The housing crisis impacts last time buyers much impacts last time buyers as much as impacts first time buyers, as it impacts first time buyers, and it means that many of those family are not being family homes are not being opened up. Hear that point, but and i hear that point, but i dont think the age of a politician denotes on whether or not theyre going to be good on housing. True. Housing. Thats true. Rishi sunak is 42. Keir starmer is almost got the better . Almost 60. Whos got the better . Whos got the better housing . The the the boomer politician versus the millennial just millennial politician. So i just want i would say that thats good. On housing, age does matter of the uss matter because half of the uss leaders dropping in post. Well, thats it. Well, thats it. Now final question is well, thats it. Nalice final question is well, thats it. Nalice andial question is well, thats it. Nalice and aliceestion is well, thats it. Nalice and alice says, is well, thats it. Nalice and alice says, what from alice and alice says, what do you think of a dress down friday work place . Well, friday in the work place . Well, i mean, weve got a dress down saturday. It seems like it seems like its dress down every day these days. I mean, i wouldnt be i would be okay with a dress down friday if monday to thursday was dress up. But unfortunately, thats not the case. But it libertarian to but is it very libertarian to be telling people what they should shouldnt should and shouldnt wear . Well, if owned a company, i if i if i owned a company, i would be well within my right of freedom to tell freedom of association to tell my they should dress. But youre absolutely right. The government be the government shouldnt be doing i, can say doing that. But i, i can say that a cultural that from a cultural perspective. I would like to see people dressing better. Mean. Would you i mean. Leo, would you advocate majestys advocate his majestys Government Printing off government actually printing off a and sending it a picture of you and sending it to and saying to every household and saying this standard. This is the standard. Today wouldnt want only today you wouldnt want to other when im to see me on other days when im sitting sitting in sitting and sitting in my underpants. Were gonna to leave it there. What a perfect time to end the show. Thanks very much to the show. Thanks very much to the ibrahim and the wonderful reem ibrahim and leo being our guest leo kearse for being our guest tonight. And to all of our brilliant viewers. Now, folks, the only dolan is the one and only mark dolan is next. Fonnard to next. But we look fonnard to seeing next week. Next. But we look fonnard to see bye next week. Next. But we look fonnard to see bye. Next week. Bye. Bye. Hello there. Welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Im craig snell. Well, looking ahead to some day for much of the uk, its going to be a dry day, especially for parts of scotland and all of us should see some sunshine. We are still dominated area of low dominated by this area of low pressure, will continue to pressure, so we will continue to see risk some showers, see the risk of some showers, but certainly will lose the but we certainly will lose the heavy persistent rain which heavy and persistent rain which we over the few we have seen over the last few days. The of will move days. The last of that will move up parts of orkney and up into parts of orkney and shetland so of shetland overnight. So most of us seeing drier picture. Still us seeing a drier picture. Still the risk of some showers across western towards the western parts over towards the east could just see a few mist and fog patches forming and in the countryside could see temperatures falling into mid single figures. So we start single figures. So we start sunday off with potentially a few mist and fog patches, but they will quickly clear and then for it is a much drier and for many it is a much drier and brighter still, the of brighter day. Still, the risk of some across western some showers across western parts. May well just creep parts. They may well just creep a little further east from a little bit further east from time to time. But basically the further east are, the further east you are, the greater chance of staying dry throughout temperatures throughout the day. Temperatures in the north very similar to what weve recently, tends what weve seen recently, tends to 12 degrees, potentially up to about 15 degrees the south, about 15 degrees in the south, having heading into monday a dry start for most potentially a frosty start actually for scotland as we go through the course of the day. Outbreaks of rain will come close to parts of northern ireland. And then later on, we then see a band of rain working in across southern parts of that really sets of england and that really sets us for another unsettled us up for another unsettled spell towards the spell as we go towards the middle of the week im lisa hartle in the newsroom. Im lisa hartle in the newsroom. The uk is calling on israel to show military restraint in its war with hamas. Addressing a peace summit in egypt, the foreign secretary said hes spoken to the Israeli Government about its duty to respect International Law and the importance of preserving civilian lives. James cleverly civilian lives. James cleverly also told the conference that efforts need to be made to prevent an escalation in violence. We have a duty, a duty violence. We have a duty, a duty to Work Together to prevent instability from engulfing the region and claiming yet more lives. We must Work Together to prevent the tragic situation in gaza becoming a regional conflict because that is exactly what hamas wants. What hamas wants. The Prime Minister has stepped up his demands for increased humanitare access to gaza. Increased humanitare access to gaza. Earlier, trucks carrying gaza. Earlier, trucks carrying humanitarian aid reached Southern Gaza after the rafah crossing on the border with egypt was opened for the first time in two weeks. Right wing in the telegraph, rishi sunak said the telegraph, rishi sunak said the world is facing an acute crisis. Israel imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel after the hamas terror attack. The hamas terror attack. Meanwhile israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue to fight until all hostages being held by hamas are freed. Being held by hamas are freed. Its after two american citizens , Judith Raanan and her 17 year old daughter, natalie , were old daughter, natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds. Its believed more than 200 people are still being held by the terrorist group pro palestinian protests have been taking place in cities across the uk. Ten in cities across the uk. Ten arrests were made in connection with a protest through Central London with five Police Officers receiving minor injuries. An