Bbc has had a terrible week in terms of its coverage of israel weve asking is the bbc biased against israel and well be speaking to roger bolton, the former bbc man, to get his take on whether or not the bbc is indeed biased. And of course, we indeed biased. And of course, we want to hear what you think about all of these stories and anything else thats concerning you. So anything else thats concerning you. So us. Joining the you. So email us. Joining the conversation , conversation, gbviews gbnews. Com. But before all of that, we get stuck into all of that, we get stuck into all of that, we get stuck into all of those things. Heres the latest headlines with the wonderful sophia. Wonderful sophia. Good morning. Its 10 01. Wonderful sophia. Good morning. Its10 01. Im sophia wenzler in the newsroom. Sophia wenzler in the newsroom. Aid has started flowing into gaza with the foreign secretary James Cleverly describing it as a lifeline for palestinians. The a lifeline for palestinians. The trucks carrying support. Trucks trucks carrying support. Trucks carrying supplies have been entering the strip through the rafah crossing, which opened this morning. It comes two weeks this morning. It comes two weeks after the mass attack in israel. After the mass attack in israel. In response, tel aviv bombarded the territory and imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of the food, water and fuel. Its not clear how long the border will be open, but the uk government says it cant be a one off. Israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue the fight until all hostages being held by hamas are freed. Its after two hamas are freed. Its after two american citizens, judith rhiannon and her 17 year old daughter natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanity grounds and was secured after an agreement with the qatari government. Around 200 people government. Around 200 people are still being held after terrorists stormed through southern israel on the 7th of october. Tens and thousands of october. Tens and thousands of palestinians supporters are expected to take part in a march in london later , the palestinian in london later, the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign says protesters will be calling for an end to the violence in the middle east. And for the government to stop supporting israels actions. Former member of the israeli parliament, dr. Einat wilf, says that even though hamas doesnt represent all palestinian means, theres still a lot of support for the group. There is massive sympathy for hamas and for what they did. And a sense that in what they did , a sense that in what they did, they represented the palestinian cause. This is why you see in britain , everyones saying free, britain, everyones saying free, free palestine. Stein. So we free palestine. Stein. So we need to understand that a future can only be built if the Palestinian People as a whole will finally see constantly creating from within them terror group after terror group in order to free, free palestine. Order to free, free palestine. Six oxford city councillors have resigned after remarks by the Labour Party Leader on the israel hamas conflict. They say they disagree with sir keir starmer, who appeared to suggest that israel has the right to withhold energy and water from gaza. In a statement , they say gaza. In a statement, they say keir starmer endorsed collective punishment and siege instead of calling for an immediate ceasefire and de escalation. But sir keir says he intended to say that israel has the right to defend itself within international law. Storm babet international law. Storm babet is not showing any sign of stopping as it continues to sweep across the uk. Another red sweep across the uk. Another red weather warning has been issued for parts of eastern scotland all day following widespread flooding and three deaths. An amber warning for rain is in place across parts of northeast england and there are yellow weather warnings for wind and rain across much of england. Rain across much of england. Around 55,000 people were left without power as a result of the storm, with a majority now reconnected to the grid. Weather reconnected to the grid. Weather expert phil morris says the storm is unprecedented and its going to be another red warning been issued for scotland. Been issued for scotland. There are going to be another 100 to 200mm of rain again in that red warning area around angus at parts of scotland. Angus at parts of scotland. And it has been an exceptionally wet period. This area has come from the south, from the azores , full of from the azores, full of moisture and its literally emptying itself over large parts of england, giving unprecedented conditions. Conditions. Around 2. 1 billion britons are behind on essential payments. Thats according to research by which. This includes research by which. This includes Household Bills , loan and credit Household Bills, loan and credit card payments. The Consumer Company says 55 of households have made changes to cover essential spending, like possession earns dipping into savings or borrowing. More than savings or borrowing. More than half are also expecting the economy to worsen over the next year. Economy to worsen over the next year. Recycling in england will year. Recycling in england will be standardised from 2026. The plan will see homes, businesses and schools recycling the same materials. There will also be materials. There will also be a once a week minimum food Waste Collection to reduce the amount going to landfill. Its all part going to landfill. Its all part of the governments drive to simplify the process. Current recycling rates in england are just over 44, which has been the same for the last decade. And same for the last decade. And this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car and on your Digital Radio and on your smart speaken Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker. By saying play gb news. Now its back to esther and philip. Philip. Thanks there, sophia. Now theres no let up for much of theres no let up for much of the country this morning as from the country this morning as from the midlands northwards. Theyve been battered by storm. Babette these past few days and theyre expected to get another four inches of rain today. Inches of rain today. Parts of angus and aberdeenshire in scotland have seen massive flooding, tragically claiming the lives of three people in the village of jacksdale on the notts derby border. A whole community has rallied together to prevent a repeat of the catastrophic they the catastrophic flooding they experienced years ago. Experienced for years ago. Sophie bainbridge was one of them. So sophie, good of you to join us. Can you tell us how youve managed then to save your street . Street . Well, we were lucky because we had experience from four years ago and with that , we were years ago and with that, we were able to highlight and find where all the drains were from before. So it took us about four hours, four years ago to late. Hours, four years ago to late. But this time we were able to spnng but this time we were able to spring into action and open up all the manholes because the council went around and we were able to delay and also keep the water at bay. So it didnt put anyones home or anyones business on this occasion. How how bad has it been, the weather where you are, sophie . Pretty bad. Its yeah, its been raining constantly for over 24 hours. But by by rain, its woke us up so times in the night they. Its such a heavy fall. And. Its such a heavy fall. And the thing is, with flooding, is it really happens very quickly as well. And the damage that it causes, it can only be it can only breach a little. And its more than enough to cause , you more than enough to cause, you know, weeks or months of disruption. So thats what we disruption. So thats what we wanted to avoid this time. Sophie bainbridge , thank you Sophie Bainbridge, thank you so much. Indeed. I love a Community Rallying together a story like that. They saw what happened last time. They werent going to let it happen to them again. And they cleared all the grids and of the grids and got rid of the terrible though my constituency gets flooded every year. My constituency get parts of my constituency get flooded year. Its flooded every year. And its absolutely its terrible. I cant think anything worse cant think of anything worse than having your house flooded. That a positive yeah. So that was a positive story thought wed story there. We thought wed give but now to look give you one. But now to look through the top stories of today, delighted to be today, were delighted to be joined by director general at the economic the institute of economic affairs, Mark Littlewood and political commentator matthew affairs, Mark Littlewood and politic so ommentator matthew affairs, Mark Littlewood and politic so lets entator matthew affairs, Mark Littlewood and politic so lets start. Or matthew affairs, Mark Littlewood and politic so lets start with atthew affairs, Mark Littlewood and politic so lets start with you. W plaza. So lets start with you. Mark, your story. Yes. Steve barclay the health yes. Steve barclay the health secretary, is pushing back a bit on wokeism in the nhs , but nhs on wokeism in the nhs, but nhs bosses are telling us that diversity chiefs are, quote, vital to staff safety, vital , vital to staff safety, vital, not a noisy, not a nice to have. Thank you. Youve got the first chuckle of the morning. Thank you very much. Absolutely vital to staff safety and i dont worry about the fire alarms or like the fire alarms or anything like this. These are the people that are vital. Are truly vital. Nurses, everybody. Are truly vital. And jrses, everybody. Are truly vital. And you;, everybody. Are truly vital. And you can erybody. Are truly vital. And you can getwody. Yeah. And you can get apparently these jobs going apparently these jobs are going for up to nearly 100 grand. £96,000 per annum. And the job spec includes you need to champion new ways of thinking, apparently. And you need to hear the voice of our people. I mean, nice work if you can get it. So Steve Barclays pushing back a bit. Hes a champion. The new ways hes a champion. The new ways of thinking. What was wrong with the ways of thinking that the old ways of thinking that mainly got things right . Its this new way. Its getting wrong. Its getting it wrong. Its getting it wrong. Labour usually youre right, labour usually sort of this sort of in favour of all this sort of in favour of all this sort of in favour of all this sort of inclusivity and diversity all this kind diversity city and all this kind of what you make of of thing. What do you make of these posts on £96,000 these diversity posts on £96,000 a year in the nhs . A year in the nhs . Well, i think theres a balance. I mean, there are issues about the nhs has an especially Diverse Workforce and there around there are issues around diversity there has there are issues around diversdiscrimination there has there are issues around diversdiscrimination in|ere has there are issues around diversdiscrimination in the has there are issues around diversdiscrimination in the past. Been discrimination in the past. But i think that at the moment when the nhs is struggling as that struggling as it is, that perhaps a whole cadre of managers it is not managers for it is not necessary. Yes, people should managers for it is not necesaboutes, people should managers for it is not neces about diversity. E should managers for it is not neces about diversity and ould think about diversity and inclusion look inclusion and how how they look after different of after different sorts of patients different sorts of patients with different sorts of patients with different sorts of patients needs. But i patients sorts of needs. But i dont think needs a whole dont think it needs a whole army managers. I wonder, army of managers. I also wonder, does the diversity when does it help the diversity when you and you keep battering on and banging about, lets banging on about, well, lets hope theyre more diverse. They just making does it are they just making themselves keeping a job . Lets hope theyre more well, lets hope theyre more diverse. Thats still diverse. The row thats still going scotland about the going on in scotland about the mail period, poverty operative. And hes now suing the and i think hes now suing the employer because obviously so much about period poverty. Yes much about period poverty. Yes exactly. They employed it so i mean, i think we need to you know, sometimes you end up with the bbc. They used to do diversity seminars and they end up with more oxbridge white men in charge. So lets hope the nhs doesnt go down that path. Three cheers for so its three cheers for steve barclay. Is it from you . Pushing back steve barclay. Is it from you . Well. Pushing back steve barclay. Is it from you . Well. And pushing back steve barclay. Is it from you . Well. And i pushing back steve barclay. Is it from you . Well. And i just1ing back steve barclay. Is it from you . Well. And i just wonderk really well. And i just wonder the next time that theres a kind pay round in nhs, we kind of pay round in the nhs, we actually a ballot of the actually do a ballot of the Royal College of nurses and whoever else, and say, well, we could you pay rise, but could afford you a pay rise, but these will have to go. These jobs will have to go. Which you want . A pay which one do you want . A pay rise or do feel you need rise or do you feel you need these equality, diversity and inclusion officers on your shoulder make people shoulder in order to make people healthier . The nurses healthier . Or i bet the nurses would vote for the pay rise instead negotiating the negotiating obe diversity trainer, industry. Yeah, make yourself redundant. The redundant. You could take the job and then make yourself redundant. The way do redundant. Thats the way to do it. Whats your big story . Whats your big story . Well, think avoid well, i think we cant avoid the elections fallout. The by elections fallout. Or you might say that absolutely. Well, last labour adviser well, my last labour adviser getting there exacting , they getting in there exacting, they might still on cloud nine and actually maybe well come to in actually maybe well come to in a minute how they need to be careful about being complacent. But first of all, its but i think first of all, its richard got a piece in richard tice has got a piece in the telegraph online this morning that wants to morning saying that he wants to help tories out, help get the tories out, revelling in fact that his revelling in the fact that his party reform, which is the old brexit party, rebranded the votes. Took in both by votes. They took in both by elections, were bigger than the majority that labour took in. Both of them. And hes saying that pleased that. Both of them. And hes saying that he pleased that. Both of them. And hes saying that he wants sed that. Both of them. And hes saying that he wants to. That. And he wants to. I read that piece and i actually thought, as most of them former them could well be former tories. Do you think thats going helpful for his going to be helpful for his brand go out and so brand to go out there and so gleefully say, we want the tories lose, most of them tories to lose, as most of them will be tories whos i thought it was surprising be so open it was surprising to be so open and , literally. And bold, literally. He says, you know, want the he says, you know, i want the tories lose. Be tories to lose. I want to be part of the anti tory thing. Now tories to lose. I want to be parreasoning|ti tory thing. Now tories to lose. I want to be parreasoning istory thing. Now tories to lose. I want to be parreasoning is hery thing. Now tories to lose. I want to be parreasoning is he wantsg. Now tories to lose. I want to be par reasoning is he wants to now his reasoning is he wants to rebuild a party to the right. You know, he wants to replace the tory and have a what the tory party and have a what he see a true he would see as a True Conservative Party but as you say, not sure how much those say, im not sure how much those true blue voters will think. You know, bit of a know, this is a bit of a protest, but dont want protest, but i dont really want to see as part of the to see myself as part of the opposition. Do you now see labour do you do you now see labour as a shoo in for the next election . Back of these election . On the back of these by Election Results . Yeah. Pretty much. Ive thought for quite some yeah. Pretty much. Ive thoug it for quite some yeah. Pretty much. Ive thougi mean,or quite some yeah. Pretty much. Ive thougi mean, a quite some yeah. Pretty much. Ive thougi mean, a lotte some yeah. Pretty much. Ive thougi mean, a lot of some yeah. Pretty much. Ive thougi mean, a lot of the e time. I mean, a lot of the newspapers are saying is this 1997 again . Be 1997 all over again . Could be the about the same the polls are about the same place. Am sort of i am of the place. I am sort of i am of the view that labour support might be a mile wide, but only an inch deep. Very hard to see deep. But be very hard to see them from what, 20 them losing from what, 18, 20 ahead opinion polls. Ahead in the opinion polls. Whats a year to so whats probably a year to go. So i think theyre in on the reform uk lot though. I think youve always to be careful to look always got to be careful to look at vote and assume if at the reform vote and assume if there candidate, there wasnt a reform candidate, every man, jack of every single last man, jack of them have voted them would have voted conservative. Its a bit more complicated than that. Some wouldnt voted, would wouldnt have voted, some would have voted labour, would have voted labour, some would have voted labour, some would have ballot have spoilt their ballot paper. So fact reform so the mere fact that reform vote was bigger than the vote was was bigger than the labour majority doesnt mean the tories would without them. But you say labour support a mile inch a sort of mile wide and inch a sort of deep, people but deep, people are saying, but what should tories be doing . What should the tories be doing . And people today are talking about stamp duty, cuts. About stamp duty, maybe cuts. There room, there to do some there is room, there to do some form would you be up form of tax cuts would you be up for that . Be up for that, but its id be up for that, but its not as its not as bold as not quite as its not as bold as that. Even esther, i think the suggestion is to promise tax cuts not to even cuts in the future not to even have them now. So its not conservative ism today. Its conservatism not jam conservatism tomorrow. Not jam today, jam tomorrow. Im not sure will it. What do sure that will cut it. What do you very close to liz you youre very close to liz truss. Lots of people say, look, the reason conservatives are reason why the conservatives are so in the polls is so far down in the polls is because she completely trashed so far down in the polls is bec brand,|e completely trashed so far down in the polls is bec brand, leftwmpletely trashed so far down in the polls is bec brand, left the etely trashed so far down in the polls is bec brand, left the party trashed so far down in the polls is bec brand, left the party 35shed the brand, left the party 35 points in the opinion points down in the opinion polls. Do you do you do you subscribe to any of that . I mean, definitely truss i mean, definitely the Truss Administration help administration didnt help the tory have tory brand, but the tories have been years, of been in power for 13 years, of which 49 days of that was. Liz truss. Difficult to pin it all on id suggest. On her. Id suggest. From 2019 onwards that well, from 2019 onwards that the downwards. Yeah but i mean i would say the overview of whole thing. The overview of the whole thing. I had the whole i mean youve had the whole bofis i mean youve had the whole boris what have boris scandal, what have the conservatives done since rishi sunaks taxes at the sunaks taken power taxes at the highest since the second highest level since the second world war, stopping the net zero agenda . Well, again, also getting rid of hs2. So he not only swerve ing so he is not only swerve ing away it little, right . He away from it a little, right . He hasnt net hasnt abandoned carbon net zero. Of hs2 money is zero. All of the hs2 money is going be spent on transport going to be spent on transport anyway. Theres story today anyway. Hesheres story today anyway. Hes notis story today anyway. Hes not going ory today anyway. Hes not going t0 today anyway. Hes not going to scrap anyway. Hes not going to scrap eu that hes not going to scrap eu green which he was going green laws, which he was going to the telegraph, that to do in the telegraph, that hes not that actually hes actually not that actually hes actually not that actually hes not going to be quite as firm in. Theres lots of things hes not and things he not doing and not many things he is people calling on him is doing. People calling on him to bolder. To be bolder. Seen results, youve seen the results, as you long way to go. He you say, a long way to go. He needs to be bold, is what youre saying. And theyve spun theyve spun different two spun two different papers, two different tax cut stories. Given theyve so theyve given the theyve given front the given the front page of the times is on the stamp duty. But then theres a possibility of moving threshold for higher moving the threshold for higher earners the telegraph. Moving the threshold for higher earrnot the telegraph. Moving the threshold for higher earrnot sure the telegraph. Moving the threshold for higher earrnot sure how e telegraph. Moving the threshold for higher earrnot sure how much graph. Moving the threshold for higher earrnot sure how much thenh. Moving the threshold for higher earrnot sure how much the higher im not sure how much the higher earners is going go earners thing is going to go down red wall, where down well in the red wall, where proportionately there lot proportionately there are a lot fewer higher earners. Proportionately there are a lot few iveigher earners. Proportionately there are a lot fewive gotr earners. Proportionately there are a lot fewive got aearners. Proportionately there are a lot fewive got a totally different ive got a totally different story. And actually is in ive got a totally different stonguardian. Actually is in ive got a totally different stonguardian. Canjally is in ive got a totally different stonguardian. Can irlly is in ive got a totally different stonguardian. Can i think in the guardian. Can i think i picked up the wrong paper, but over the dark side, im ahead over to the dark side, im ahead of the curve. But i did see this and itjust made me smile. It was Gwyneth Paltrow there saying, calling celebrity saying, stop calling celebrity children in children nepo babies as in nepotism, their nepotism, because what their children doing. Children are all doing. So obviously, her daughter, apple, is a chanel model. But as is now a chanel model. But as she says, dont say that were not nepo babies. And then you look who she is, the daughter of, daughter a famous actor of, daughter of a famous actor and famous director and the and a famous director and the goddaughter spielberg, goddaughter of steven spielberg, who given none of who when he was given none of which helped career at all, which helped her career at all, did he was giving her did it as he was giving her a lift in the car. He said, lift home in the car. He said, do you fancy being in a movie . But what you think about but what do you think about nepotism . Saying, well, nepotism . Shes saying, well, look, children become look, doctors, children become doctors. What doctors. Yeah, it is what you know. Do think theres an know. So do you think theres an issue with nepotism . I mean, it happens, well, i mean, it happens, doesnt its doesnt it . Its not. Its hardly surprising. If you come from family, youre from an acting family, youre more into acting if more likely to go into acting if you if your father is a you come if your father is a footballer, youre more likely to be interested in it. But its actually would its more actually i would say its more the well, its more the circuit. Well, its more network right . Network effects, right . If youre in hollywood and youre embedded in hollywood and your lots actors your parents know lots of actors and producers, youve got a better of making a career better chance of making a career in hollywood than if you dont live have live in hollywood and dont have parents who are acting. Should we if nepo baby is we nepo . Maybe if nepo baby is considered such an offensive word, fewer quality, considered such an offensive word, and fewer quality, considered such an offensive word, and inclusion ver quality, considered such an offensive word, and inclusion officersity, diverse and inclusion officers in nhs out on the wards job. In the nhs out on the wards job. Says doesnt want the he says he doesnt want the job. Think hes obsessed. Is job. I think hes obsessed. Is should we should we get should we be should we get annoyed nepotism or should should we be should we get anrjusti nepotism or should should we be should we get anrjust accept nepotism or should should we be should we get anrjust accept that tism or should should we be should we get anrjust accept that thats r should should we be should we get anrjust accept that thats the|ould we just accept that thats the way world . Way of the world . I mean, i think marks right that there are are famous that there are there are famous acting dynasties where people that there are there are famous actingtotallysties where people that there are there are famous actingtotally got where people that there are there are famous actingtotally got theire people that there are there are famous actingtotally got their you ople have totally got their you know, obviously been in obviously theyve been imbued in it from their mothers milk, as it from their mothers milk, as it theyve their it were. But theyve got their on own talent. I think on their own talent. I think sometimes people become influencers theyre influencers because theyre because band because theyve got their band of always of Brand Recognition always against the nepotism. Of Brand Recognition always agaim the nepotism. Of Brand Recognition always agaim always the nepotism. Of Brand Recognition always agaim always aboutzpotism. Of Brand Recognition always agaim always about extending im always about extending opportunities im always about extending opportunitiwachieve if youre totally can achieve if youre given right and politics, given the right and politics, you know, we dont want political political dynasties, you know, we dont want politicthe olitical dynasties, you know, we dont want politicthe americans|asties, you know, we dont want politicthe americans|asti obsessed with. Clintons, the bushes. Im the clintons, the bushes. Im rather against that. People, kennedys. Rather against that. People, kerwers. Rather against that. People, kerwe have a few quite a few. We have a few quite a few. Weve got a few here. Yeah, weve got the two sisters, course, in the two sisters, of course, in the two reeves sister reeves. Yeah reeves sister the reeves. Yeah both shadow cabinet. Both in the shadow cabinet. Yeah. And obviously the eagles and the eagles both not in currently in the shadow cabinet currently on milibands theres on the milibands my god, theres loads in there. Siblings there, more more siblings there, more siblings inherited the parents. Anyway, weve got to its obviously to a obviously obligatory to have a sex story the first hour. Sex story in the first hour. Normally save for later. Ive got one in the second hour as well. Dont worry that saucy devil. Anyway. Estas bien faffing about with the guardian. Ive been with the heavyweight daily star page 20 women star this morning. Page 20 women on now the boss on top. Women are now the boss in bedroom. They twice in the bedroom. They are twice as likely have an open as likely to have an open sexual relationship than men. Apparently the websites membership data reveals that while 14 of blokes are in a apparently a disclosed non monogamous relationship , non monogamous relationship, almost double the number of women of in one oh. What should i make of that . Well, im glad you read that. Well, im glad you read that. I mean, there we are. There we are. Now found out whats happening. I cant do the maths here. If its an open relationship, it appues its an open relationship, it applies to both parties. Yeah. So how can women be twice as likely as men . Right. Theyre either in an open either both in an open relationship theyre not. Either both in an open releitjnship theyre not. Either both in an open rele it sounds theyre not. Either both in an open rele it sounds like zyre not. Either both in an open rele it sounds like the� not. Either both in an open rele it sounds like the blokes are it sounds like the blokes are saying are, whereas women saying they are, whereas women are just saying but are just not saying it, but doing it. And doing more often. So thats just a cheating relationship, an open relationship. There must be women, there must be more women, more their sexual more women discuss their sexual preferences desires with preferences and desires with their compared men, their partner compared to men, but theyre discussing it but if theyre discussing it with their partner, doesnt the partner Something Back . Othennise, its a fairly one sided conversation monologue, some more passive than i some even more passive than i thought. Speech rather than a sex conversation. Theyve probably tuned out , theyve probably tuned out, to be honest. They probably thought they were being nagged and just, oh, no, come on, dont, dont, dont be. What in the bedroom what stays in the bedroom goes doing Shopping List goes on doing the Shopping List or hang on. A m or hang on. A in that theres a crack in that ceiling. The painting needs to be done. Wallpaper needs to be serious thing about open relationships, serious thing about open relations i ips, serious thing about open relationsi mean, theres a lot actually i mean, theres a lot of open relationships in the gay male community. Becoming theyre obviously becoming more we see more common. When will we see our politician does an our first politician who does an interview not with the you know, not with the wife, husband, boyfriend, them, boyfriend, partner next to them, but has to disclose that but instead has to disclose that theyre relationship. Theyre in an open relationship. Layla lib Dems Layla Moran from the lib dems came as pansexual. Maybe came out as pansexual. Maybe next somebody comes next next best is somebody comes out an open out saying im an open relationship. Point out saying im an open relthe nship. Point out saying im an open relthe sun p. Point out saying im an open relthe sun or point out saying im an open relthe sun or the point out saying im an open relthe sun or the news. Point out saying im an open relthe sun or the news. The|t out saying im an open relthe sun or the news. The news in the sun or the news. The news of the world as it was on my doorstep because were open about trump. The one to do that. Oh the first one to do that. Oh a bit of controversy. You both will with us the next will be back with us in the next houn will be back with us in the next hour. Phil, you might not be with the calibre of those stories. Absolutely. Also, i should just a twitter just say we also did a twitter poll we talked about to poll about we talked about to the sophie from Notts Derbyshire border we border about the flooding. We did poll was storm by did a twitter poll was storm by it caused Climate Change. The it caused by Climate Change. The answer yes, 11 no, 89. So a answer was yes, 11 no, 89. So a whopping no. Very, very no. Say very, very no. Say very, very no. Sophies by way, sophies village, by the way, jacksdale. I know it well. Oh, are you not there helping to clear up lee anderson and glorious constituency. To clear up lee anderson and glo im 5 constituency. To clear up lee anderson and glo ims constitucall�. To clear up lee anderson and glo ims constitucall her up and im going to call her up and say matts absolutely a volunteer. Anyway, coming up, well be pondenng anyway, coming up, well be pondering by election pondering what those by Election Results of the main results mean for all of the main parties. Parties. And broadcaster roger bolton will be to discuss another will be here to discuss another bruising week for the bbc. Are the bbc biased. That i knew had dewbs co weeknights from. Six time now is weeknights from. Six time now is nearly 1025 and no. Conservative nearly 1025 and no. Conservative seatis nearly 1025 and no. Conservative seat is safe. According to keir starmer. After labours victory in two by elections this week , labour won elections this week, labour won for the First Time Ever in mid beds esher, a tory seat for 92 years and overturned a majority of almost 20,000 in tamworth. But can the conservatives turn it around . Well, weve got the perfect man to answer that question. Luke tryl from polling company. More common. Luke thanks ever more in common. Luke thanks ever so much forjoining us. Us now in a poll i saw that you produced about i think it was only two days ago, you showed the gap between labour and the conservatives narrowing. I think it was just a trifling 12 lead for labour in the poll i saw that you published. And then of course we had the earthquake of these two by elections. So do you think your polling might be wrong or were these by Election Results flash in the pan . Results flash in the pan . Well, im never going to say that. I think our polling is wrong. I think if you look at wrong. I think if you look at that 12 point labour lead , which that 12 point labour lead, which we have in our opinion polls , we have in our opinion polls, you would expect that to translate into to a reasonable a labour majority in a general election and what you see in a by election is that tends to be magnified and thats for two reasons. One is that actually people who support the government have a higher tendency to stay at home sometimes, you know, in this case it would have been disgruntled tories who will have thought, actually, do you know what . Im just going to sit on my hands and then youve got another group people who go another group of people who go out actually to out and like actually want to send the government a message, want to tell them to up their game going and im want to tell them to up their game to ing and im want to tell them to up their game to vote and im want to tell them to up their game to vote for and im want to tell them to up their game to vote for another im want to tell them to up their game to vote for another party,| going to vote for another party, whether its reform or whether its labour reform or the liberal democrats. There was now, obviously there was a lot of people who stayed at home. I mean, absolutely there were thousands of tories were tens of thousands of tories for both elections who stayed at home. Interested home. But im interested because we the results were. We know what the results were. Im interested what are the im interested in what are the sort people moving from from sort of people moving from from conservative to labour , conservative to labour, conservative to labour, conservative to labour, conservative to lib dem. What is the move and why. The move and why. So when it comes to opinion polling, we often talk about those headline figures, you know, the sort of labour lead, what of the tories are and what percentage are labour on. Theres actually another figure which is almost more important to look at, and we call that the retention rate, and that is basically the number of people who voted conservative in 2019 who still say theyd vote conservative if theres a general election tomorrow. And general election tomorrow. And what that shows at the moment is out of every hundred people who voted conservative in 2019 been about 55 of them say they would still vote conservative. So 45 out of 100 going elsewhere there. And if you break that 45 down, basically comes in three chunks about 11 out of the 100 say theyre going directly to laboun say theyre going directly to labour. So theyre the conservative to labour switchers , about seven or so of the 100 would be going to a party like reform uk. And obviously we saw they did better than theyve donein they did better than theyve done in some by elections this week. But then the biggest chunk week. But then the biggest chunk , its about 18 out of the 100 are going from conservative to dont know and so they are the biggest block of swing voters at the moment. Those those dont know. And when you dig into that know. And when you dig into that group, what you actually find is there not really a sort of centrist or even left or centre right leaning group, theyre actually quite a right wing group. The biggest chunk of those conservative to dont know voters are a group that we call backbone conservatives. Theyre backbone conservatives. Theyre really the conservative base. So its i think its unlikely that that group will ultimately swing to labour for the question is, as happened in 1997, do that group decide theyre so grumpy with the conservatives, theyre going to sit the next election out. Now, just just finally, luke, now, justjust finally, luke, how do you read the tamworth by election . Theres two ways of looking at it because in 1996 there by election in south there was a by election in South East Staffordshire which which was in effect back was tamworth in effect back then, before the general then, a year before the general election, the tory seat went labour with a 22 swing, pretty much exactly the same result as happened back then. And so people say, well , this goes to people say, well, this goes to show that the result the other day that labour are on day shows that labour are on course 1997 victory. On the course for 1997 victory. On the other , some people say, other hand, some people say, well, on minute, back in well, hold on a minute, back in that by election labour that by election in 1996, labour got over 26,000 votes, whereas this time they only got 11,700. There was a 62 turnout back then. There was only a 36 turnout. This time and labours vote went up by 4000 from the previous general election in 1996. It only went up by 800 this time. So is there a glimmer of hope in there for concert . Im trying to hang on to something here, luke. Is it a glimmer of hope in that in that difference from the previous by election in that area . Well, you suggest, theres well, as you suggest, theres sort good and bad news. Sort of good news and bad news. And start with the news and ill start with the bad news so end on the good news. So i can end on the good news. The bad is that what we are the bad news is that what we are seeing, particularly seats seeing, particularly in seats like voted quite like tamworth, that voted quite heavily for brexit, is they are swinging back to labour at a bigger rate actually than some of the more remaining seats we call it a bit of a boomerang effect. The seats that really turned against labour are coming back the hardest and you would not have expected a seat like tamworth, which is the 55th safest conservative seat to have swung so dramatically. But as swung so dramatically. But as you say, the good news for the concept or the thing that they might be able to take from is that that turnout was so low. What we definitely hear in our focus groups about keir starmer is that people are going to vote for him, but its sort of out of default because they dont like the tories. In fact, one person in hartlepool we spoke to last week described it as odd. Hes got to be better than this lot. And so the question is, if starmer continues not to at what he do differently and set out his own brand , does that then his own brand, does that then give the conservatives opportunity to say, look, i know youre angry with us, but weve got a programme for government. Im not sure these guys do. Well, on that note , luke yes, well, on that note, luke yes, thank you very much. Well cling on to well cling on to that. Thanks. Thanks for joining on to well cling on to that. Thanks. Thanks forjoining us. You doing all your Research Last night . I wonder if the audience had glazed with all the figures had there, you figures you had there, but you were give some give were trying to give some give comparisons, differences comparisons, give differences from i was with you. From 1997 . No, i was with you. Ive my very own ive got my very own psephologist at home its psephologist at home and its him now. Psephologist at home and its hirranyway , moving on, bbcs anyway, moving on, the bbcs coverage of the israel hamas war has heavily criticised. The has been heavily criticised. The broadcaster there broadcaster claimed there impartial, yet refused to call Hamas Terrorists on formerly twitter, the Israeli Government accused the bbc of perpetuating accused the bbc of perpetuating a modern blood libel in its reporting of the explosion at the hospital in gaza. The bbc reporter suggested that israel was at fault, despite a lack of evidence at the time. Us intelligence now suggests the explosion was caused by an errant rocket fired by palestine , an islamic jihad. Well lets speak to former bbc radio four presenter and editor of panorama, roger bolton. Panorama, roger bolton. So, roger, have the bbc got it wrong . They seem to be changing course slightly now on what theyre doing. Does it show an anti sort of israeli bias at the bbc . No, and its ridiculous to compare the blood libel , which compare the blood libel, which was an extraordinarily terrible , was an extraordinarily terrible, terrible example of anti semitism with whats happening now. The bbc clearly made a mistake initially in this instance. And a report was said which attributed to palestinian sources the suggestion that the israelis had been involved in the latest all in that bombing. The latest all in that bombing. The bbc, very quickly when it got other information, changed it and has now said thats a mistake. But the problem a lot of people have here in the midst of people have here in the midst of is clearly propaganda of what is clearly a propaganda war, they say this is a bbc war, is they say this is a bbc view. There isnt really there are loads of reporters on the ground to report honestly ground trying to report honestly and what they see and impartially what they see and impartially what they see and they make the mistakes. Well if they make mistakes, they should be correct. And should should be correct. And we should be worried they be deeply worried if they make a lot of mistakes. But at the moment, just trying moment, theyre just trying to give to each give proper coverage to each side theres a propaganda side when theres a propaganda war on well as war going on as well as a military conflict. Well, you say that, roger, but obviously weve had but weve obviously weve had the failure describe hamas as the failure to describe hamas as terrorists, the bbc seems terrorists, which the bbc seems to be now slightly rowing back on. Weve got we had the bbc journalist who were falling over themselves blame for themselves to blame israel for that without any that airstrike without any evidence that particular evidence for that particular hold on. Hold on. No, im going to im going ask you. You can to im going to ask you. You can answer. You can answer. Let me finish question. Weve also finish my question. Weve also had journalists taken had six bbc journalists taken off air hamas posts. So off air for pro hamas posts. So there does seem to be a pattern of behaviour here. Doesnt it . You cant just point out one thing isolation. Thing in isolation. No, but youre pointing out one thing in isolation. Theres three things there. Theres three things there. Hold on, hold on. 54 in 54 different languages. It probably transmits about ten minutes for every one minute of real day. Whatever its trying to report you are now, like others, picking out individual instances, which take them out of context. Look i think this is an extraordinarily difficult thing to report. I dont blame any jew for being outraged about the reporting. How would you feel if you were in that circumstances . But the bbc also has to report other things, like, example , that like, for example, that Something Like 75 palestinians have shot by israeli have been shot by Israeli Settlers in the west bank. More people, we think, now have been killed by the bombing of israel and were killed in that atrocity , that terrorist atrocity. Im happy use that dreadful happy to use that dreadful phrase. But for was an phrase. But for what was an appalling but whats going on . Let me let me try let let me try another one at you, because in 2004, the bbc themselves commissioned the balen report. Commissioned the balen report. But on the back of complaints of anti israeli bias at the bbc, the bbc have never published that it report. Indeed, they went all the way to the Supreme Court to prevent that publication of that report. Why dont the bbc just publish it and we can see for ourselves what the bbc thinks about its its its its own bias. In what the bbc thinks about its its its its own bias. In an internal report. Internal report. Well, hold on. This is 19 years ago. I presume they have to be some internal reporting, but i think they should publish it. And think more generally a it. And i think more generally a fair criticism bbc is fair criticism of the bbc is that it doesnt explain why its doing various things. It does, doing various things. It does, by the way, called hamas. It by the way, called hamas. It says called a terrorist says its called a terrorist organisation by several governments, including the british government. It has described or used the word described or has used the word terror these attacks. But terror for these attacks. But one the problems got one of the problems youve got here, things. One is the here, two things. One is the bbc, any anything it does and bbc, in any anything it does and it does so much is picked up by one side or another. And they say this is symptomatic of everything the bbc does. It isnt. Its a fundamental misunderstanding. There is not a bbc view about that conflict. There is a bbc attempt to report it impartially. Thats a different matter. But the bbc different matter. But the bbc should be more open and explain to people what theyre saying and listen to what people say because it is our roger. We always have you on because you are always straight talking and i like you said there, you wouldnt have had any problem whatsoever in revealing the contents of that report. One thing, though, to know thing, though, id like to know your tim davie your opinion of tim davie is coming Parliament Next Week coming to Parliament Next Week to speak to the 1922 Backbench Committee of the tory party be tory mps. I think this was put in place prior to this bias. It was talking about general impartiality. What do you think of him to Going Parliament to speak to conservative mps . Speak to conservative mps . Well, so he should, if hes summoned by by mps, he should go and explain himself. I mean, bbc is not a dictatorship, should be answerable to parliament, but to all of parliament. By the way, 40 years ago in the falklands conflict, chairman was conflict, the bbc chairman was summoned up before mps and summoned up before tory mps and it was called because the chairman , george howard, was chairman, george howard, was a large man. It was called an ox roasting and tim davies, rather slimmer. But i roasting and tim davies, rather slimmer. But i think hell have a very tough time. But of course he should go , but he should be he should go, but he should be answerable to everybody. Quickly, if you just very quickly, if you can, Bbc Parliament, can, roger, Bbc Parliament, their yesterday of their coverage yesterday of andrew bridgen speech on excess deaths had a load of straps throughout it, in effect putting a contrary argument at the bottom of the straps to the one that andrew bridgen was making. That andrew bridgen was making. Ive never known that before on a Bbc Parliament channel where i always thought they just said this the person speaking and this is the person speaking and this is the person speaking and this what the debates are, this is what the debates are, what do what do you make . What do you what do you make . Should people be concerned that the starting to sort of, the bbc is starting to sort of, in effect, trying to in effect, start trying to predict or not what predict whether or not what somebodys saying somebodys an mp saying in parliament is right or wrong . That seems slippery slope to that seems a slippery slope to me. Me. Yeah, im sure they werent doing that. I cant comment precisely what youre saying because i didnt know about it. But know what the bbc is but i know what the bbc is trying do and its partly trying to do and its partly because of what donald trump is doing america is do you doing in america is how do you deal people who , you know, deal with people who, you know, tell know tell untruths . I dont know whether bridgen or whether andrew bridgen did or not. The bbc is trying not. And what the bbc is trying to do through very find elsewhere is where they think theres mistake. Theres a factual mistake. Theyre correct it and theyre trying to correct it and they have fact checks. Now in they have fact checks. Now in this case, and i dont know about it, but it may be that they were making a fact check. Its very they should be very careful then, you careful about it. But then, you know, think if we if the know, i think if we were if the bbc were to say, andrew bridgen is talking rubbish, that would be if they say be disgraceful if they say andrew bridgen quoted this actual actually this is the accurate figure. Different accurate figure. Different matter, different matter. Bbc matter, different matter. Bbc shouldnt get in the business of commentating. It should be in stick to the business of reporting. Reporting. Thank you very much as ever for your forthright opinions. We very much appreciate your time. An interesting thing that but an interesting thing that should the bbc be Fact Checking or something was going wrong . Who fact checks them not debate they to give the fact check, but certainly not parliament debates. Not debates in parliament. We also did a poll about twitter poll whether or not the bbc poll on whether or not the bbc was biased against israel and the result was 88 said yes and 12 said no. So thats what people are thinking. Yes it is. Anyway, were going now to talk about inflation because its refusing to budge. At the moment. Its sticking at 6. 7. Thats what it was in september. And as a result of that, it looks like the bank of england probably isnt going to be reducing Interest Rates any time soon. But its certainly a mixed financial bag. The times today is borrowing figures is reporting borrowing figures boost could fund tax cuts. So to explain all of this or whats going on, weve got our regular economic expert. Thats Justin Urquhart stewart in the studio with us. Thank you very much indeed. Because there are calls from people saying we want tax cuts, whether its stamp duty , cuts, whether its stamp duty, whether its all the people theyve taken. Now into a higher rate of tax or add one bbc mistake, they did on me, which they straplines and it said not justin they straplines and it said not just in but Slobodan Milosevic ex president of serbia. Not exactly the one you want to get mixed up with. Sorry, mistake. Anyone could make sure justin but but people are calling for tax cuts there bit of positive news actually. The figures that they were given were having to pay out were less giving them room there to possibly do tax cuts. Would you be doing tax cuts and on the papers today its got like stamp duty inheritance tax or personal allowances. Allowances. Well a lot of those items are actually relatively small. So you can actually try and reform inheritance tax. Its not very no much better to very big. No much better to unnecessarily shelling out money when not too how when youre not too sure how much more youve got coming in as a government. The as a government. Create the incentives for investment. The incentives for investment. The incentives put incentives for people to put money into growing businesses. Thats how thats how you get growth going as long as youve got the confidence to do so. And ihave got the confidence to do so. And i have to say, rishi, over the past built more past year has built more confidence from a very low base. But thats one of it. The but thats one part of it. The next then getting more next stage is then getting more money actually going money in. Are you actually going to income tax . To start cutting income tax . Thats expensive and thats really expensive and difficult do, but difficult for them to do, but the syntax is around the edge or whether its booze, and flying and things that. Again and things like that. Again marginal i want to marginal effort. What i want to see, though, is not government money. Just a tax benefit money. Just create a tax benefit for investing in, say, technology, technology , parks technology, technology, parks and things like that. Theyre growing all place. Growing up all over the place. And one the things theyre and one of the things theyre short of, though, capital. So short of, though, is capital. So they can give a tax they can actually give a tax incentive. Enterprise incentive. If its an enterprise investment scheme. Doing investment scheme. Now doing that on regional basis. So you that on a regional basis. So you really to do levelling really want to do some levelling up, local money going into up, get local money going into local well how local businesses . Well how how do economies think about these things just because its always been mystery to me. Been a mystery to me. So theres some really theres really disappoints so theres some really thenconcerning ally disappoints so theres some really thenconcerning newsisappoints so theres some really thenconcerning news in ppoints so theres some really thenconcerning news in theints so theres some really thenconcerning news in the ins and concerning news in the in the paper today, one about retail sales have slumped by nought last nought point 9 in the last month. Uk Consumer Confidence has registered biggest month month. Uk Consumer Confidence ha month ered biggest month month. Uk Consumer Confidence ha month drop biggest month month. Uk Consumer Confidence ha month drop in biggest month month. Uk Consumer Confidence ha month drop in three st month month. Uk Consumer Confidence ha month drop in three years. Ith month. Uk Consumer Confidence ha month drop in three years. So on month drop in three years. So do economists think well, on the back of that, what the governments got do cut governments got to do is cut taxes to get that Consumer Confidence back up and and confidence back up and try and get back up, or do get the sales back up, or do they well, hold on they think, well, hold on a minute, the governments going to income, to have reduced income, therefore needs to not cut therefore it needs to not cut taxes it cant afford taxes because it cant afford to. People think about to. How do people think about these things . Tried to take well, i tried to take a longer term view rather than a shorter term because its very easy say, oh, inflation easy to say, oh, look, inflation has 0. 1. That frankly has gone up by 0. 1. That frankly is rounding so you have is a rounding error. So you have to look at the longer term pattern where its going and the longer is inflation longer term pattern is inflation is now pattering is going up and now pattering and start coming down. And will start coming down. Interest did not need to Interest Rates did not need to go Interest Rates did not need to 9 up Interest Rates did not need to 90 p by Interest Rates did not need to go up by as much already go up by as much they already have certainly need have done. They certainly need to. Do any more now to. Dont do any more now because takes 18 months or so because it takes 18 months or so to work through system. To work it through the system. So literally having another Interest Rate cut now really. So even though inflation has stayed of high stayed and stubborn sort of high levels, as it were, youd say dont Interest Rates up. So dont put Interest Rates up. So my is rishi my other question, is rishi going to meet his target of halving inflation by the end of the year to 5 . Well, i have to say it was a rather silly idea have that rather silly idea to have that as because he doesnt as a target because he doesnt have much power to achieve it. Its outside of his control and same with bank of england. Same with the bank of england. When have they got when what choice have they got to things . Answer is, to do things . The answer is, well, rates, thats not well, Interest Rates, thats not the we are not living in the answer. We are not living in a boom. Exactly the a consumer boom. Exactly the opposite occurring. Opposite is occurring. So normally lower rates, normally when you lower rates, actually raise actually its to actually raise rates. Doing actually put a rates. Its doing actually put a dampener on inflation. We havent got a consumer boom. Its the wrong tool, the right tool using existing funds in tool is using existing funds in this country being this country are being encouraged into businesses encouraged to go into businesses and manufacturing areas and development, particularly tech. Development, particularly tech. Justin Urquhart Stewart fantastic work. Thats why we like him on that voice of optimism boosterism as boris would say. So coming up, i hope youve seen the video of the french nun tackling an eco activist to the ground. If you havent , then you need to. And havent, then you need to. And well be showing it later. Yeah, its got us asking, why are so many older people getting involved in protesting and activism . Weve got retired activism . Weve got a retired teacher and stop oil teacher and Just Stop Oil activists explain few activists who explain in a few minutes, the minutes, as well as the legendary harry redknapp. You entertained. The Camilla Tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. Gb news. Welcome back to saturday morning live with esther and phil. The time now is 1047. Weve had lots of views coming in. We had at the start of the show a lady called Sophie Bainbridge from jacksdale village who said she didnt want flooding the whole Community Came together four years ago. Theyd been badly flooded, so they cleaned out the drains and they cleaned out the drains and the flooding has stopped. So what weve got here, duncan sorry. The main sorry. John saying the main reason for flooding is that drains cleared. Theres drains arent cleared. Theres leaves and debris and leaves in there and debris and theyre blocked up, lorraine said. The thing. Said. Exactly the same thing. They cleared out. They need to be cleared out. Those drains need to be cleared out to stop all of the flooding going well, thats sophie going on. Well, thats sophie proved at the proved it, didnt she, at the top show . Top of the show . Absolutely. Now its back to club this weekend after Club Football this weekend after a international a Successful International break for better to for england. And who better to tell about it then . Harry tell us about it then . Harry redknapp, who joins us live now. Harry, joining us. Harry, thanks for joining us. Look, massive day of sport look, a massive day of sport today, harry. Weve got the cricket against south africa in the weve got the the world cup. Weve got the rugby cup semi final. Rugby world cup semi final. Weve liverpool against weve got liverpool against everton, chelsea against arsenal in the premier league. Weve got the champions day ascot for the champions day at ascot for the champions day at ascot for the biggest horse racing of the flat the what what you flat of the year. What what you chewed it into today. All of the above just some of it. Above or just some of it. Everything bits. Oh i love it. Its my type of day today, bill. You know i shall be. Im watching cricket this watching the cricket this morning obviously south africa started well when i came up to talk to you. They were they were theyd had too good a start, really. So its going to be a tough one. Obviously the rugbys going to be a tough game as well tonight. Know, south tonight. You know, south africa look but we keeping our look amazing, but we keeping our fingers crossed. England can pull performance. Pull off a great performance. I watched game last night and watched the game last night and the all blacks looked very good last night against argentina. So last night against argentina. So but hope england can get but lets hope england can get a result. And then im off to watch bournemouth play wolves today and then back home for the 5 00 game. The big game in the premier league today. I going to say phil oh, i was going to say phil and will different and i will be in different rooms. He well be looking rooms. He could well be looking at horse racing. I will try at the horse racing. I will try and get the obviously the liverpool game. What will you be you and sandra different rooms. How going on. How will that be going on. Watching yeah shell be watching coronation street something yeah shell be watching coeastenderseet something yeah shell be watching Co Eastenders ort something yeah shell be watching Co Eastenders or , something yeah shell be watching Co Eastenders or , orsomething yeah shell be watching Co Eastenders or , or emmerdale or eastenders or, or emmerdale or eastenders or, or emmerdale or and shell be in that room on my own watching sport all day. Is it a man den . Is it a man . Room with your biscuits and your beer and Everything Else . Biscuits a nice couple. Yeah, a couple of nice here and of nice nuggets here and a couple biscuits and yeah, as couple of biscuits and yeah, as i unfortunately im going i say, unfortunately im going to be out to watch the first three at ascot. Then im three races at ascot. Then im off bournemouth, only off to bournemouth, which only takes me 15 minutes to get there. So i can watch a bit of ascot first as well. Oh, brilliant. Now just quickly, its obviously obviously esthers eyes be on liverpool eyes will be on liverpool against everton today. A against everton today. Shes a big Liverpool Fan and her dad will there the match. And will be there at the match. And theres arsenal. Theres chelsea arsenal. I wanted to know how do do players get , you know, wanted to know how do do players get, you know, an extra edge for these local derbies . Do they do these local derbies . Do they do they put more effort in for when its a big local derby like you had the north london derby when you were at tottenham because some people might say, well, these players professionals. These players are professionals. They be they should be up they should be they should be up for game every week. For up for the game every week. But they are they more up for but do they are they more up for these derbies . These local derbies . Think theyll today i think theyll realise today on know, on merseyside, you know, liverpool , evertons a massive liverpool, evertons a massive game and i think liverpool are in good form. I can only see a liverpool win. To be fair, today you know, its going to be a tough day. I think for everton, but i dont think its quite the same as it was filled back in the were a lot more the day. There were a lot more local players, lads who grew up understanding rivalry understanding the rivalry between now weve got between the clubs. Now weve got more and more foreign players coming in. They probably dont, you know, they havent the you know, they havent got the history of the local derbies and the probably like back the rivalry. Probably like back in day when there were a lot in the day when there were a lot more lads playing. More local lads playing. Yeah. No. And anyway, harry, look, you enjoy day of look, you enjoy your day of sport. For joining look, you enjoy your day of sport. Forjoining us and sport. Thanks forjoining us and ill let you back to the ill let you get back to the cricket. Thanks ever so much. Love fact that hes got i love the fact that hes got a man down. You know, hes on there beers or coffee or there is beers or coffee or whatever, all his biscuits. Fantastic. Just like you. Like just anyway, just like him. Anyway, the french team might French Rugby Team might have crashed the world cup crashed out of the world cup last but maybe they should last week, but maybe they should have nun on their team. Have had this nun on their team. Take a look. No. Take a look. No. No messing in there. What a hero. Now, before the nun got hold of him, the protest was trying to prevent the construction of a new church in a national park. But it got us wondering after seeing the grey haired protester dragged ground, why is it dragged to the ground, why is it so many older people are getting involved in protests and activism . Well, Fiona Atkinson is a retired teacher and an activist with Just Stop Oil. So, fiona, whats going on . Why are so many retirees taking to the streets . To the streets . Well , i to the streets . Well, i think its to the streets . Well , i think its because of well, i think its because of people like you and esther and phil because of mps not doing their job phil because of mps not doing theirjob properly and because of your leaders giving out new oil and gas licences like confetti and lying to us about energy security. So somebody has to get out there and tell the truth. But is it because youre now a retired teacher, lord knows what youre telling your kids at school, but is it because youve got more time on your hands now, or do you think because youre of a certain age that you think, do you know what this is what i want do, this what i want want to do, this is what i want to remembered for. To be remembered for. Ill tell what, esther. Ill tell you what, esther. I think the job of older think its the job of older people everywhere to protect young people and i think thats true of you and phil, you are both mps and youre both presenters, and you have power and youre abusing it and youre not protecting my 11 year old granddaughter. Youre not granddaughter. Youre not protecting the people in scotland and youre voting record. Im scotland and youre voting record. Im an scotland and youre voting record. Im an ex teacher, like record. Im an ex teacher, like you say, and youre voting record. Can i just say its like nought out of ten. Fiona , you need to do some fiona, you need to do some homework for you. Fiona its not for you. It is. But were all allowed to our views and opinions. And i do a lot of work with young children. Im really sorry, fiona. Im im really sorry. Esther. This isnt a matter of opinion or views. This is a matter of. Hang on. Just let me explain, because you obviously havent caught on this is a matter of science and also youve got figures like , are you really figures like, are you really saying that the late queen got it wrong when she said we had to get on with it . But the pope is wrong he says hopes that wrong when he says he hopes that activists leaders to do activists will get leaders to do the thing and stop all new the right thing and stop all new oil and gas well, look, its a no brainer. Fiona. Its a matter of democracy, actually. We have elections in this country and the who to elect. The public decide who to elect. So if youre what im so if youre if youre what im saying , if youre right about saying is, if youre right about these things, rather going these things, rather than going to and protesting, to the streets and protesting, why you stand for election why dont you stand for election . Got right on . And if youve got right on your side and logic on your side, presumably youll win an election. Phil, your comment, first of all, shows dont really all, shows you dont really understand we understand the urgency. We havent time to set up a new havent got time to set up a new party and go for votes and it costs millions. And we dont have fossil fuel Companies Backing us. You know that sounds like a big excuse for me here that you dont actually want to get a vote and have democracy. But hang on a sec. Lets lets go back to why is it you think at this age because obviously you just dealt urging, as with all your beliefs on Just Stop Oil which nobody my stop oil which nobody not my belief everybody agrees belief not everybody agrees with. So why did you at this age my belief this is the ipcc report which says can we just go back . Why did you want to do it at this age . Because its not i cant let you get away with saying this about what you fiona knew she was coming on the show to talk about your audience. To talk about your audience. Your audience deserves to know the truth. You are lying when you say its about beliefs, fiona. About science. Dale. Dale vince, what im doing. Ill go back to your question. Thank you. What im doing. Im doing what im doing as a retired teacher because i have always loved children and i dont want them having the kind of future that you obviously dont care about because weve got children here caught up all over the world in floods and fires and extreme weather, and your leader is giving out new oil and gas licences like confetti and lying about energy security. Dale, vince , dale, vince, dale, vince, dale, vince, fiona funded just off oil. He stopped funding. Just stop oil because he says these protesters protest dont work. So youre not actually doing any. Well, thats fine. Thats thats his opinion. You can have an opinion about the protests. You just cant have opinion about the have an opinion about the science. The science true. Science. The science is true. And your audience needs to be looking at those floods in scotland and thinking, whens that going to hit me next . And they also very much indeed for joining us today. Weve got to go to the break, fiona, but thank you for joining lis. Us. Us. But what she doesnt quite get it. Lots of people agree and understand about climate. Its the timetable shes wanting to do anyway. Thats it. Thats all weve got time for, for the moment. Well you in the moment. Well see you in the next hello and welcome to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Now now, the covid inquiry part one was about preparedness. Part two was about Decision Making. So how do people come to those decisions . Well be speaking to professor Carl Henaghan because he was at the inquiry this week to see what he went through and what questions were asked or not. The government have reportedly , in the kings reportedly, in the kings speech, going introduce a speech, going to introduce a bill therapy , bill to ban conversion therapy, including for trans people. Is including for trans people. Is that a good thing . Is it going to be a restriction on free speech . What does it mean, banning conversion therapy . Well speaking well be speaking to psychologist pam spurr and psychologist dr. Pam spurr and Model Railways ever fancied you ever fancied a model . I dont quite like them, but i havent fancied one myself. But i like looking at them. Well, well be speaking to Pete Waterman. Got a new Pete Waterman. Hes got a new series on channel 4 about all his showbiz friends his celebrity showbiz friends who like jools who do have them, like Jools Holland, james may. Loads of people model people seem to have Model Railways and weve already spoken to harry redknapp. Very big week weekend its a very big week weekend of local derby, liverpool of sport local derby, liverpool against everton, arsenal against chelsea. Weve got the rugby chelsea. Weve got the Rugby World Cup semi final , weve got world cup semi final, weve got the cricket world cup going on, weve got horse racing from ascot. Big weve got horse racing from ascot. Big day in weve got horse racing from ascot. Big day in heaven. Oh, ascot. Big day in heaven. Oh, its my one of my favourite days of the year. Anyway, well be joined by aidan magee, our sports guru and of course Hayley Palmer the latest on palmer to give us the latest on the show biz to. Anna. As the show biz to. Anna. As always, we love to hear your views, so please email us with what you think about all the issues that were discussing today. Thats gb views at gbnews. Com but before we get to get stuck into all of those things, heres the latest headunes things, heres the latest headlines with sofia. Good headlines with sofia. Good morning. Morning. Its 11 01. Morning. Its11 01. Im sofia morning. Its 11 01. Im sofia wenzler in the newsroom. Aid has started in the newsroom. Aid has started flowing into gaza with the foreign secretary James Cleverly describing it as a lifeline for palestinians. Trucks carrying suppues palestinians. Trucks carrying supplies have been entering the strip through the rafah crossing, which opened this morning. Israel bombarded the territory and imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel. After the hamas terror attack two weeks ago. The group says todays delivery wont be enough to change the catastrophic medical conditions in gaza. The foreign secretary in gaza. The foreign secretary is in egypt for a summit to discuss the escalating war between israel and hamas. James cleverly is expected to tell the peace conference that more needs to be done to allow humanitarian relief into gaza. And thats relief into gaza. And thats todays delivery. Cant be a one off Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas told the summit. Palestinians wont be forced from their land. Forced from their land. We will never accept that this forcible displacement and we will stand tall on our land. Despite the pivotal challenges from day one, we have asked for the stopping of this barbarous aggression right away and to open up humanity aryan corridors to allow humanity in and relief aid to get into the gaza strip. But of course, the government of israel didnt allow that. Israel didnt allow that. Meanwhile, israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue to fight until all hostages being held by hamas are freed. It is after two american citizens, judith rhiannon and her 17 year old daughter natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds and was secured after an agreement with the qatari government. Its believed more than 200 people are still being held by the terrorist group. Tens and terrorist group. Tens and thousands of palestinian supporters are expected to take part in a march in london later , part in a march in london later, the palestine Solidarity Campaign says protesters will be calling for an end to the violence in the middle east and for the uk government to stop supporting israels actions. Supporting israels actions. Former member of the israeli parliament, dr. Einat wilf, says that even though hamas doesnt represent all palestinians, theres still a lot of support for the group. For the group. There is massive sympathy for hamas and for what they did and a sense that in what they did they represented the palestinian cause. This is why you see in britain in everyones saying free, free palestine. So we need to understand that a future can only be built if the Palestinian People as a whole will finally cease, constantly creating from within them terror group after terror group in order to free free palestine. Free palestine. Nine six. Oxford city councillors have resigned after remarks by the Labour Party Leader on the israel hamas conflict. They say they disagree with sir keir starmer, who appeared to suggest that israel has the right to withhold energy and water from gaza. In and water from gaza. In a statement they say keir starmer endorsed collective punishment and siege. Instead of calling and siege. Instead of calling for immediate ceasefire and de escalation. But sir keir says he intended to say that israel has the right to defend itself within international law. Storm within international law. Storm beck continues to pose a risk to life across some areas of the uk. Another red weather warning has been issued for parts of eastern scotland following widespread flooding. An amber widespread flooding. An amber warning for rain is in place across some parts of north east england and there are yellow weather warnings for wind and rain of england. Rain across much of england. Around 55,000 people were left without power as a result of the storm. With the majority now reconnected to the grid. Weather expert phil morris says the storm is unpressed indented. Its going to be another red warning been issued for scotland. There are going to be another 100 to 200mm of rain again in that red warning area around angus at parts of scotland. And angus at parts of scotland. And it has been an exceptionally wet period. This air has come from the south, from the azores , full the south, from the azores, full of moisture and its literally emptying itself over large parts of england, giving us unprecedented conditions , unprecedented conditions, recycling in england will be standardised from 2026. The plan will see homes, businesses and schools recycling the same materials. They will also be a once a week minimum food Waste Collection to reduce the amount going to landfill. Its all part of the governments drive to simplify the process. Its current the process. Its current recycling rates in england are just over 44, which has been the same for the last decade. This same for the last decade. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car and on your Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to esther and philip. Back to esther and philip. Thank you, sophia. Now the thank you, sophia. Now the government is reported to be set to ban conversion therapy, including for trans people. Yeah, its raised some really profound ethical questions for those in safeguarding roles who fear they might face prosecution if they dont automatically affirm a childs gender identity and for free speech. And concerns for free speech. Well, doctor pam spurr is a behavioural psycho ologist and joins us now to discuss this. So when people think of conversion therapy, some might think of those horrendous treatments that were done in bygone sort of years. You know, electric Shock Therapy and nausea inducing drugs or hypnotherapy. But what sort of conversion therapy are we talking about here that will be banned as well . Be banned as well . Well, were talking about the mistitled sort of conversion therapy for children who say theyre trans. Now , if the Prime Minister now, if the Prime Minister would only look at the independent review of the main gender Identity Services of the tavistock clinic that came out a year ago, he would see that there should be an alarm bells around calling this conversion therapy when actually what advocates like i am talking aboutis advocates like i am talking about is ethical, supportive and exploratory counselling for young people who say theyre trans because listen to these stats. The cass review found stats. The cass review found that a decade ago there were 250 youth referred to the tavistock, of which mainly they were boys. Two years ago there were 5000 referred of which two thirds were girls. Now part of this may were girls. Now part of this may be social contagion because in the 90s we had eating disorders and youd get clusters of girls sort of influencing each other. Sort of influencing each other. And then in the noughties we had self harm. And in the last decade its been the trancing. Now upperchurch children at the gender identity clinic, 70 had 5 5 co morbid cities as well as saying that they were born in the wrong body. So things like eating disorders did aggression, anxiety, autism. Um, so there anxiety, autism. Um, so there are all these things to explore and you can see how safe saying you identify as trans might make a child feel. They can escape from all the unhappiness they have with all these issues going on in their lives. So its something that the Prime Minister really must think about conversion therapy is not the right word. Thats mistitled what they need is exploratory, supportive counselling to find out whats really going on. When a child says they want to trans. So you obviously draw a distinction here between gay conversion therapy and trans conversion therapy and trans conversion therapy. And obviously , you know, i think obviously, you know, i think everybody agrees you you dont choose your sexual city. And so therefore , you know, thats therefore, you know, thats thats why conversion therapy is unacceptable. I guess the nub unacceptable. I guess the nub then of this debate becomes about whether or not you choose to be trans or whether you are born into the wrong body. And its not a matter of choice. Its just that youre born into the wrong body. So which side of that argument do you go into . Do you accept that some people are born into wrong body, or do born into the wrong body, or do you think it is always a choice . No, thats an impossibility. We cannot born the wrong we cannot be born into the wrong body. Many people feel body. But many people feel uncomfortable their bodies. Uncomfortable with their bodies. And as a psychologist, i used to look at, say, body dysmorphia and people would feel, oh, i dont like my breasts or Something Like that. And so you have young girls with developing bodies in at a time when a lot of the young boys theyre deaung of the young boys theyre dealing with are into, are always sexually touching the girls around them. And the girls start thinking, oh, i dont like this. You know, why do i want to be a girl . And so people look for an escape route. But transitioning is not an escape route. What is emotionally and mentally healthy is to look at what issues makes a child hate their identity. So were they sexually abused . So they want to escape that body without physically abused in other ways. Were they were they teased because 80 of the children who presented at the tavistock had had significant bullying before they claimed they were trans as well as 50 of the children who presented to the tavistock said they had come out as lgb and then decided to trans when they came out. Were they then bullied . So again , spur thank bullied . So again, spur thank you for taking us through this because it is a difficult and complex area. So thank you for coming on the show this morning and let us know what you think about that. Gbviews gbnews. Com. Tell us what you think about this debate right now to look through the top stories day. Top stories of the day. Were delighted to joined were delighted to be joined again director general the again by director general of the Institute Affairs , institute of economic affairs, mark political Mark Littlewood and political commentator laser, star. Commentator matthew laser, star. Starting with you this time, matthew. Yeah, absolutely. Im going to pick up on a story we heard about in the news bulletin, which is about labour councillors in oxford councillors resigning in oxford because stance because of keir starmer stance on israel hamas conflict. On the israel hamas conflict. And thats just an and i think thats just an example really whats a wider example really of whats a wider story that i think is going to become bigger as the conflict rages on. The kind of british political of the political consequences of the conflict. Mean the problem for conflict. I mean the problem for the labour party is the Muslim Community is in Part Community is in large part supportive labour party supportive of the labour party historic links and lots of councillors from muslim communities or represent muslim communities or represent muslim communities of course there communities plus of course there are from the left are councillors from the left etcetera, you know, even if etcetera, who, you know, even if theyre not, you know, exactly like Jeremy Corbyn would take a more, you know, peace orientated line as they would see it. So weve seen councillors resigning across the country and we the question really is are we going to see more . But also theres some pressure, i think, inside the tory party from people like crispin blunt, the mps being outspoken in support of the palestinian cause. So i outspoken in support of the palestinian cause. So i think that, you know, the idea that we can give a blank check that our leaders can give a blank check to israel is going to come under scrutiny from within their own party. I mean, i guess the nub of theissue i mean, i guess the nub of the issue is, i mean, i think virtually everybody, virtually everybody that israel has everybody agrees that israel has a right to defend itself. Thats not statement. Not a controversial statement. The the the question i think the question is what is a proportionate response from israel . Thats where israel . And thats where obviously people have a obviously lots of people have a different about what is different opinion about what is proportionate , totally what proportionate, totally what were absolutely i think i mean, referring to the news, i mean, its great to see that aid trucks are going in because i think that, you know, the continued lack of aid was becoming was making it difficult for a lot of people who want to support israel, to support israel, israels cause. Israel, israels cause. But look, i would just say to local the labour local councils inside the labour party, all, youre party, first of all, youre elected local councillors, elected as local councillors, youre there sort bins youre there to sort the bins out. There to sort out. Youre not there to sort foreign and they Foreign Policy out and that they they should should keep they should they should keep they should they should keep they keep serving and they should keep serving and they should keep serving and they give time to they should give their time to develop and make develop the response and make sure response is sure that the response is sensible. But obviously, as you say, absolutely supporting sensible. But obviously, as you say, absrightly supporting sensible. But obviously, as you say, absrightly defending sensible. But obviously, as you say, absrightly defend itself. Israels right to defend itself. Mark israels right to defend itself. Maiyes, my story is about the yes, my story is about the woeful state of the student population at our universities. Get this. I mean, its not news. Get this. I mean, its not news. Well it is. According to page eight of the daily mail, and i rather agree with them. Cardiff Universitys Student Union have banned from going to their club to drink men in blue shirts and chinos. Right. This is now banned. Chinos. Right. This is now banned. This is the latest thing banned. This is the latest thing to be checking what everyone has got on this. You should do it. A gb news ban. You cant see what weve got underneath. Yeah if anything, if anything at all. We know what we know what philips like. I mean, its far worse than chinos under this desk as to the rationale here is apparently a blue shirt and chinos the blue shirt and chinos is the kind of Unofficial Union uniform of players. Of rugby players. Apparently, thats right. Apparently, thats thats out in after thats what they go out in after theyve and there theyve played rugby. And there were incident on the 4th of were some incident on the 4th of october where a bunch of first year rugby players got a bit raucous as one witness added there was about 10 to 15 of them that started a all it should be. There were about 10 to 15 of them that started them all. And anybody who an undergraduate at university should know that. So theyve banned not these people for ruckus , but for causing a ruckus, but theyve banned chinos and blue shirts as if chinos and blue shirts as if chinos and blue shirts are the cause of ruckus behaviour. Its absolutely and its a known fact. As soon as you put on a chinos and blue shorts and of course its the uniform of every basically middle aged man in america, i mean, theyd be banning any might be banning any they might be a question something quite base. The point that they didnt ban the people whod done it is that because people dont like to confront anybody anymore. So what move to what well do, well move it to something completely different and well, what would the yeah, well, what would the diversity managers diversity and inclusion managers we say about this . We spoke say about this . I agree. Least for men its not april the 1st. Is this. This is actually. This is true. Its actually true. This is censorship again, isnt it . Well, its also as i say, its complete inability to distinguish between cause and effect. I mean, can you manage can you imagine nightclub that can you imagine a nightclub that said somebody came in at 1030 last night and caused a fight . So were to ban people so were going to ban people entering at 1030, as if thats. Can i just it might be good can i just say it might be good for the people who would have worn chinos and blue shirts. Of pulling the prospect of pulling in the vernacular because course, vernacular because of course, we know women find it know that that women find it a bit of a tired look. So i understand it. So i understand i is it a suit and tie now . Well, no, i think its more of a, you know, a wee bit more relaxed than that. Yeah. Well, i always think about these things. Is the Decision Making process. So somebody comes along and says, ive got an idea. They passed a motion . Have they passed a motion . Have motion . Have they passed a motion . About and instead lets about this. And instead of else there thinks of everyone else there thinks saying, such idiot, saying, dont be such an idiot, everyone goes, oh, actually that sounds i sounds like quite a good idea. I want to my Student Union, one want to in my Student Union, one against 500 is 499 to 1. Was the one phillips used i was the one phillips used to that only its 650 to 1 now. The green benches i know the story. Yeah, absolutely. Look, this is just a sort of warning for be careful of what you wish for. So avanti, who on the west coast main line up birmingham, main line up to birmingham, glasgow, manchester and liverpool, have had liverpool, they they have had their contract renewed a few months ago. Having improved their performance from woeful state. Guess what . Theyre now back cancelling services the back cancelling services in the run christmas, including run up to christmas, including 1 in 3. The manchester line that you and a lot. So okay. You and i use a lot. So okay. Big moan there for avanti and people like andy burnham, the labour of greater labour mayor of greater manchester, complaining manchester, has been complaining but always complaining. Hes got but always complaining. Hes got quite a few bees in his bonnet and but Transpennine Express , and but Transpennine Express, which runs east to west across the country, uniting your to the lancashire and yorkshire , now lancashire and yorkshire, now run by the government and guess what . Theyre cancelling services too. So my the lesson of this the moral of the tale is you know that from my party which thinks that just bringing things back straight into state ownership is issue you ownership is an issue if you have a transport have a labour transport secretary in may or june next yean secretary in may or june next year, theyre going be year, theyre still going to be deaung year, theyre still going to be dealing strikes and theyre dealing with strikes and theyre still be dealing with still going to be dealing with staff that staff shortages. That aint going magic wand. Can going to be a magic wand. Can i just pick you up on something there . Yes. Nothing can unite yorkshire and lancashire. No, no. I thought you were relationship nothing. Relationship did nothing. Absolutely oh, well, absolutely nothing. We heard here. Yes. Oh, well, absolutely nothing. We thisd here. Yes. Oh, well, absolutely nothing. We this is here. Yes. Oh, well, absolutely nothing. We this is anotheres. Oh, well, absolutely nothing. We this is another barney to have. Exactly. Now, ive got a good news story here and it is sex linked. Matthew you know, wouldnt the you know, it wouldnt be the same you. Only come for same without you. Only come for the page page. The sex page page. Only for the sex. You only come for the sex. You only come for the sex. Stories. Sex stories. Sex stories. To make that clear. I want to make that clear. You say that about you. Page 36 of the sun. This is a viagra could slash the risk of alzheimers disease by 60. A study i mean, youd love study found. I mean, youd love to study, to be part of this study, wouldnt you . To be part of this study, wotthatsvou . To be part of this study, wotthats aj . To be part of this study, wotthats a great excuse for thats a great excuse for taking viagra. Thats a great excuse for tak yeah,agra. Thats a great excuse for tak yeah, thats what i thought. Yeah, thats what i thought. Thats what thought. I thought yeah, thats what i thought. Thats ibet thought. I thought yeah, thats what i thought. Thats ibe loadsnught. I thought yeah, thats what i thought. Thats ibe loads of ht. I thought yeah, thats what i thought. Thats ibe loads of peoplejught yeah, thats what i thought. Thats ibe loads of people nowt thered be loads of people now taking viagra, claiming its nothing to do with anything else. Like people claim its like people who claim they television. They have a television. Have a packet in your if you have a packet in your cabinet. Oh its because you. Because i cant. Its not because i cant. Its just because need it for its just because i need it for the alzheimers. Absolutely. Its just because i need it for the ficaneimers. Absolutely. Its just because i need it for the fican do ers. Absolutely. Its just because i need it for the fican do it. ;. Absolutely. Its just because i need it for the fican do it. I absolutely. Its just because i need it for the fican do it. I justylutely. Its just because i need it for the fican do it. I just dont. I can do it. I just dont remember to do it. The study looked at more than 27,000 over 65 seconds. I mean, youd to be mean, lucky youd like to be i mean, lucky there, having a go at there, mate, for having a go at this but it also says as this trial. But it also says as well that regular sex also protects against dementia. Well that regular sex also prowell,igainst dementia. Well that regular sex also prowell,igainst de|go. Tia. Well, there you go. Well, there you go. So this is a good and, of course, viagra is made by pfizer. Saw somebody in paris pfizer. I saw somebody in paris who had a pfizer tattoo on their forehead hipster a forehead and hipster with a pfizer were pfizer tattoo. Maybe they were influenced by that love of viagra. But you got another story to distract us. Youre going say you got youre going to say you got some no no. Very tempted. I mean, theres a million good reasons to take it. Heres why. Are you blushing, mark . This is the sort of is the sort of advice we of this is the sort of advice we need todays world, not need in todays world, not advice what wear advice on what you wear at a Student Union or. But this is advice are now issuing advice hinds are now issuing this advice on to how make the best beans on toast. Quite complicated, actually. I should confess im in my early 50s and ihave confess im in my early 50s and i have never cooked a meal in my life. So this advice is aimed at me. It is live on on. It is live on on. Ive got Home Economics gcse thats impressive. So im intending to stick with. So youve got a toast. Two slices of white farmhouse bread, farmhouse, bread. Youve got to store the can upside down. Did you know that . And shake it before warm the beans before opening. Warm the beans on hob but never boil them. On the hob but never boil them. Butter toast. I think butter the toast. I think i could probably manage that bit and the beans on top. And then spoon the beans on top. So are you a big beans . So are you a big beans . I love beans on toast. Im more of a bacon sarnie man myself than a beans on most of myself than a beans on most of my life. Eating beans on toast. Is the only thing you can is it the only thing you can cook . Philip no, i do that for them as well. But i cant do. I cant do it. Even. I cant be bothered to do anything else. Ive had beans and ive ive had beans on and ive always it up in the pan. Always boiled it up in the pan. Ive always, oh, no, youre breaking the rule that you shouldnt supposed to that shouldnt supposed to do that can. Not be upside down. I cant not be upside down. Ive done beans. I cant not be upside down. Ivecanle beans. I cant not be upside down. Ive can we eans. I cant not be upside down. Ivecan we eans. That. Can we just on that. Can we just on that. Why must i feel it was a long time ago. Its a long time. No it isnt. Its in the microwave for 2. 5 minutes. Thats im for 2. 5 minutes. Thats what im saying. True. Not saying. This isnt true. Not good. Fantasy. Im on good. This is fantasy. Im on about i it. About when i do it. Toast in the pan. Ive done it in the pan. But i boiled it. But i boiled it. Did you wash the pan aftennards . They you didnt leave it others. Leave it for others. The trouble if yeah, but the trouble is, if you boil them up, the pan does go all. Can we. Want to check this. Can we. I want to check this. Who your dishwasher at who stacks up your dishwasher at home . Woman . Is it the home . Is it the woman . Is it the husband . Or does the husband just in the sink just leave the pan in the sink with water it and think with some water in it and think the way to go . Is that the jobs the way to go . Is that the jobs the way to go . Is that the way to go. The way . Thats the way to go. Do. Thatll do. Thatll do. And im a sad singleton, so i have to start own. Im and im a sad singleton, so i have goodirt own. Im and im a sad singleton, so i have goodirt it. Own. Im and im a sad singleton, so i have goodirt it. Im]. Im and im a sad singleton, so i have goodirt it. Im not im and im a sad singleton, so i have goodirt it. Im not very| quite good at it. Im not very good practical things, good at practical things, but i can stack dishwasher anyway. Can stack the dishwasher anyway. Better move on i think wed better move on very mark, very quickly here. So mark, matthew, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Even more of a pasting. Even more of a pasting. It allowed me to get all that off chest. It allowed me to get all that off absolutely. Its therapy absolutely. Its therapy coming up. Show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is. Welcome back to gb news is. Welcome back to saturday morning live with esther and phil. Its 1124. Esther and phil. Its1124. Lots esther and phil. Its 1124. Lots of views coming in about all sorts of different things. Yes, we Fiona Atkinson on yes, we had Fiona Atkinson on earlier. One pensioner earlier. One of our pensioner activists she was with Just Stop Oil. John says net zero is nothing more than a making nothing more than a money making scam. Problems in scam. Weve got real problems in the country like the cost of living. Lets tackle that before we thinking the we start thinking of the environment, i dont environment, susan says. I dont doubt Climate Change exists , but doubt Climate Change exists, but people like your guest, fiona, is pushing it too strongly. No wonder the kids in the country are suffering from depression and stop oil and anxiety when Just Stop Oil tells us were going to die. Tells us were all going to die. Now pure hysteria. Thats right. Its the timeline, the pushing and this hysteria. Butjane and this hysteria. But jane says, well, you cant deny at least they have passion , jane. Least they have passion, jane. Well, martins actually contacted about the most important matter of the day. Esther, i really like your dress. It goes well with phils tie. The colours work really nicely together. Well , he watches every. Well, he watches every. Well, he watches every. He watches every saturday for hour after hour dress tie combination. This is a morning dilemma. When we get ready , which tie when we get ready, which tie goes . Does this go with your outfit or not . And we stumbled across this one. I said, i think that goes so thank you very much indeed. Was noticed. It indeed. But it was noticed. It was noticed, by the way, matthew noficed was noticed, by the way, matthew noticed my new haircut. You didnt see noticed in trouble. Been having a right ive been having a right pasting professor carl pasting today, professor Carl Hannigan move to hannigan will move on to him because hes all right. Hell have noticed. Hell have carl have noticed. Professor Carl Henaghan of the most henaghan was one of the most vocal of the vocal critics of the governments lockdown policy dunng. During the pandemic. And professor for yes, and the professor for evidence based at evidence based medicine at Oxford University also Oxford University is also a practising gp. He faced plenty of abuse a result. Of abuse as a result. Yeah, he got taste of some yeah, he got a taste of some of the abuse this week that he had faced at the covid inquiry. And Carl Henaghan joins us now. So carl , when you went into the so carl, when you went into the inquiry, obviously all prepared. Yes. Youre a professor of evidence based medicine , an nhs evidence based medicine, an nhs doctor for 23 years, qualified gp and an nhs honorary academic. So lots in your cv there. Were you expecting the tone with which the questions were aimed at you and the questions that were asked of you . No, not at all. You know, sometimes in life you get ambushed and thats what happened minutes before we went in. They produced all the documents and said, this is where were going to go. Were going to ask you about these issues. Id be prepared a full statement, was going to statement, which we was going to talk about, things like the care homes. And i am one of the only people, think, who has people, i think, who has experience, of experience, like you said, of going care homes and going into care homes and can look the evidence. All of look at the evidence. All of that was not about. And that was not talked about. And what seemed to be what happened is it seemed to be a discussion about my credibility , me trying to credibility, me trying to undermine and this is from undermine me. And this is from outside. Im getting huge amounts of messages from people saying that actually i was treated very differently to other in doing so , other people. And in doing so, ive come out of the meeting. I dont we to a point dont think we got to a point where tried to learn lessons. Where we tried to learn lessons. Whats happened here . It was almost attempt to dismiss almost an attempt to dismiss me and my credibility in and undermine my credibility in and undermine my credibility in a way that actually doesnt help us learn the lessons of the coronavirus pandemic. I mean, many people say that when they draw a contrast between the way that the entire arrogated you and the sort of a bit softer approach to Professor John edmunds, the sage modeller. I mean , did you leave there i mean, did you leave there thinking that youve now got a fair idea of what the conclusions of this inquiry is going to be or do you think that they would they were just asking , you know, challenging questions because thats what theyre there to do. Theyre there to do. Look, i have no problem with being asked difficult questions and being in a situation where its adversarial. Ive given its adversarial. Ive given expert evidence in legal cases, and im well aware of what happens when you take a specific line. Whats happening now is from outside. Everybodys now from outside. Everybodys now looking and coming to me and saying, this inquiry has an agenda. It seems to be have already made its mind up. It already made its mind up. It has. Im the only person who seems to be speaking from the other side. There are many more other side. There are many more other side. There are many more other witnesses who could come fonnard speak and give oral fonnard and speak and give oral evidence, theyve been evidence, but theyve all been sidelined. So , what sidelined. And in doing so, what it looks like is theyve come to conclusions and then they have an agenda. And in that agenda to sideline certain people or ideas. And i say this is crucial because its supposed to be an independent inquiry that there is to learn lesson. I think we need to get the diaries, get the whatsapp messages, get them all published and get those issues out of the way, because its like gotcha moments. Its sleaze and get back to the important issues. What can we do in care home . What can we learn in care, home . What can we learn in care, home and when people are insulting denigrating insulting and denigrating people, theyre just unprofessional. And in doing unprofessional. And in doing that, this sort of language, the way theyre operating is unacceptable. Carl professor edmund said that he thought the lockdown should have started earlier. And i think im right in saying he said that it might have saved 20 to 25,000 more lives if the lockdown had happened as early as recommend. And what did as hed recommend. And what did you make of that evidence . And i mean, did did he have in mind a particular country that he thought had got it right . I think, look, theres a history here of getting it wrong with the modellers and edmunds was on about the omicron wave. He got it wrong, then he got it wrong in the beginning. When you wrong in the beginning. When you talk about this 25,000 deaths, what should do is go and get what you should do is go and get a control environment like sweden and say, well, look what happened there. Didnt lock happened there. They didnt lock down. In the winter happened there. They didnt lock do 2021, in the winter happened there. They didnt lock do 2021, in in the winter happened there. They didnt lock do 2021, in that in the winter happened there. They didnt lock do 2021, in that period,. He winter happened there. They didnt lock do 2021, in that period, theyinter of 2021, in that period, they didnt have the same excess deaths as we did. Now whats happened here is its very easy to go in in an environment and say, should done this. Say, we should have done this. This would happen. But this is what would happen. But it what really was it undermines what really was happening is a huge number of excess deaths that were occurring in the home. The problems that were care homes occurring in the home. The probthe s that were care homes occurring in the home. The probthe big at were care homes occurring in the home. The probthe big problems care homes occurring in the home. The probthe big problems with homes and the big problems with hospital acquired infections. Thats what i wanted to talk about bring experience about and bring my experience and to the inquiry. And expertise to the inquiry. Whereas mathematicians know very little or or anything about these issues. The question is these issues. The question is why did the inquiry not want to know about these issues and discuss them and sideline them and give other people a really easy ride and say, well, lets go into all the points where you made errors and try and understand how are we supposed to trust you if youve got a track record getting it wrong . Professor Carl Henaghan , professor Carl Henaghan, thank you very much indeed for joining today you joining us today. Do you know what was wanting that inquiry what i was wanting that inquiry to ahead. I was hoping wed to go ahead. I was hoping wed learn so much from it, but it has very much focussed on the people. Module one about preparedness. We heard all about bofis preparedness. We heard all about boris and carrie, this one here. Now theyve tried to sign him and theyve also tried to, i dont know, chip away at his credibility. Professor Carl Hannigan. Which is wrong. Yeah. We ought to try and get professor edmunds on so we can ask him maybe some of the questions he wasnt questions that maybe he wasnt asked inquiry and if asked at the inquiry and see if we to bottom of it. We can get to the bottom of it. Well, its now 1131, and lets go over to sofia for the. News its 1130 in the gb newsroom. Its 1130 in the gb newsroom. Im sofia wenzler. Aid has im sofia wenzler. Aid has started flowing into gaza with the rafah crossing opening this the rafah crossing opening this the first time in two weeks as trucks carrying supplies have been entering the strip and more are now waiting to cross the border after israel bombarded the territory and imposed a blockade preventing the delivery of food, water and fuel. After the hamas terror attack on october the 7th. The group says todays delivery wont be enough todays delivery wont be enough to change the catastrophic medical conditions in gaza. The medical conditions in gaza. The foreign secretary is in egypt for a summit to discuss the escalating war between israel and hamas. James cleverly is expected to tell the peace conference more needs to be done to allow humanity relief into gaza and that todays delivery cant be a one off. Meanwhile israels Prime Minister has vowed to continue to fight until all hostages being held by hamas are freed. Its after two are freed. Its after two american citizens , judith american citizens, judith rhiannon and her 17 year old daughter, natalie , were released daughter, natalie, were released yesterday. Hamas says the decision was made on humanitarian grounds and was secured after an agreement with the qatari government in the in the qatari government in the in the uk. Storm babet continues to pose a risk to life across some areas of the country. A red weather warning issued for parts of aberdeenshire and angus is due to end at 6 pm. This evening. An amber warning for rain is in place across parts of england with the Environmental Agency three severe agency issuing three severe flood in derbyshire. Flood warnings in derbyshire. And you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website , gbnews. Com. Every weekend at 3 pm. On gb news, the peoples channel, britains news channel. Britains news channel. Welcome back to saturday morning live with me. And the other half the time now is 1137. Yeah lots of news coming in about different things. About different things. We spoke to roger bolton from a former bbc man about is the bbc bias against israel. Pretty bbc bias against israel. Pretty unanimous views from our viewers. Peter says the bbc are totally biased against israel and have become increasingly left wing in the last decade. Clive agrees. Absolutely biased, i complained to the bbc about it and received a generic response, claiming reporting is difficult. We also spoke about the potential ban on conversion therapy that the government may be introducing in the kings speech. Be introducing in the kings speech. Lee says the tories will speech. Lee says the tories will be signing their death warrant if go through banning if they go through with banning conversion its crazy. Conversion therapy. Its crazy. See, there you go, forthright views as ever from our viewers. Anyway , this week, channel anyway, this week, channel 4 launched a new show about Model Railways called little trains and big names. The four part series will see the well known music producer and writer Pete Waterman delve into railways famous into Model Railways with famous guests such as james may and Jools Holland. Jools holland. And the for the series and the idea for the series came petes lifelong came from petes lifelong fascination with railways as he explores Wonderful World of explores a Wonderful World of miniature rail models as well. Were pleased to have pete joining us now. Pete, thanks joining us now. Pete, thanks ever so much for your time this morning. I mean , i watched your morning. I mean, i watched your first show, which was great with Jools Holland earlier this week. Absolutely fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. I was sat next to you. I was sat next to you. Yeah. How how and how and why did you become such a Model Railway enthusiast . Well, im Railway Enthusiast . Well, im a first train set in 1949, so ive had ive been a Model Railway fan all my life. Its. Its just something you its. Its just something you do. You know, once youve got a passion for Model Railways , you passion for Model Railways, you never lose it. Never lose it. Now, i have to be honest, i didnt know what the programme was going to be like. I was thinking, oh my goodness, is this going to be like watching paint like . Paint dry . What was it like . Have to say i was fascinated and what i couldnt get over was it was Jools Holland and hed create did this unbelievable all railway set. But the best bit and youll have to tell me who the people are. Hed got his famous show biz friends to come and open parts of it, like dawn french. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bernie ecclestone i thought was funny opening his formula one layout and rod stewart had been there. Um, its an amazing, been there. Um, its an amazing, you know, i mean, jools lives in his old converted castle and, you know , to go in there and see you know, to go in there and see a Model Railway is quite amazing i how did the series come about then, pete . How did you how did you decide to do it when over the producers yeah, exactly. The producers yeah, exactly. Well, i about three years ago i started a with the dean of chester , a very big model chester, a very big Model Railway, which is in the cathedral every summer for seven weeks. But youngsters, while theyre on holiday and its taken on such an amazing i mean, this year we had about 65,000 visitors. So i was fascinated that people are so interested in in modelling that went to channel 4 and said, look , you channel 4 and said, look, you know, theres all these famous people. I know, theres all these famous people. I mean, know, theres all these famous people. I mean, even herr and people. I mean, even herr and goenng people. I mean, even herr and goering had a at a Model Railway for gods sake, you know, so, you know , frank sinatra. Its you know, frank sinatra. Its just amazing how many people you 9 just amazing how many people you go, why , why, why . I mean, what go, why, why, why . I mean, what makes people want to you know, get so passionate about, you know, trees , for instance . Know, trees, for instance . Theyre passionate about it. Theyre passionate about it. So go on. Who was your favourite celeb . What was your favourite celeb . What was your favourite model . Railway, i mean, Jools Holland takes some beating there. Oh not beating there. Oh not a question, as he is of Eddie Izzards layout. Really . He shocked me. It really . He shocked me. It made me walk away and i talked to the channel and said, you know, this this is really quite amazing because its really got me thinking. And so that shaped the whole way we presented the programme because it asked lots of questions and id never seen a layout like it. I wont spoil it. An example like what . Its got trains, its got tunnels, its got countryside. What did his have . No no. Its 1940 on the beaches in bexhill on sea in the snow. December waiting for the invasion and itjust you look at this and its so accurate. You 9 this and its so accurate. You go, who . Whos kidding who here go, who . Whos kidding who here we you know , the germans are we you know, the germans are just over in czechoslovakia , just over in czechoslovakia, poland, france, belgium , poland, france, belgium, holland. And weve got barbed wire up on the front in bexhill on sea, thinking were going to stop them. You know, you got Spike Milligan up on a hill showing shelter. Whos kidding who here . Well , pete, we think its we well, pete, we think its we think its fantastic. We hope the of the series goes the rest of the series goes well. Weve got a weve got a mutual friend in in john ryan, the former chairman of Doncaster Rovers football club, whos got a fantastic Model Railway set himself. Himself. So and thats on cheshire. So and thats on cheshire. Yeah, exactly. On cheshire. So we will we will enjoy watching the rest of series. Good luck with it and thanks for joining this morning. Joining us this morning. But you know what . Was the but you know what . It was the actual get over the houses, couldnt get over the houses, the cars, and theyve picked couldnt get over the houses, the ca|in and theyve picked couldnt get over the houses, the ca|in time,1eyve picked couldnt get over the houses, the ca|in time, havent picked couldnt get over the houses, the ca|in time, havent they . Ed a year in time, havent they . Heres was was this just after the or something. Jools hollands. Yeah. Well hes got different he different he got different things. European hed hes got a european bit hed got, different section got, hed got different section of was fantastic. Of the thing. It was fantastic. Yeah anyway we could about yeah anyway we could talk about this forever ourselves. Anyway yeah anyway we could talk about thisalliancejurselves. Anyway yeah anyway we could talk about thisalliance forielves. Anyway yeah anyway we could talk about thisalliance for responsible ry the alliance for responsible citizenship is a new group of political , business and cultural political, business and cultural leaders. Leaders. It aims to reinvigorate pubuc it aims to reinvigorate public debate and society generally with a new vision that rejects the fatalism and sense of permanent crisis that we seem to get a lot these days. The groups first conference will be taking place next week at in london, and tickets at the o2 in london, and tickets have already sold out. One person will definitely be there is baroness philippa stroud, who joins us now. So, yes, youre coming on the yes, youre not coming on the show to plug the event to sell tickets. Theyve all way, way gone, im intrigued to know gone, but im intrigued to know who youve got coming and what is it that you do want to galvanise , because youre quite galvanise, because youre quite right, everybody feeling right, everybody is feeling a bit sick. That is bit fatally sick. Is that it . Is this worth societies come to . Is this worth societies come to . Is this it about so what this it about politics . So what are hoping to change . Are you hoping to change . Good morning, esther and phil thank you so much. Good morning, esther and phil thank you so much. Um, good morning, esther and phil thank you so much. Um, this good morning, esther and phil thank you so much. Um, this is really an Incredible Movement for people who are coming together and who are saying, do you know what we need a more hope filled story. We so much of hope filled story. We so much of what we hear is about declinism and crisis poly crisis. You know, weve even heard it this morning, crisis, crisis , crisis. Morning, crisis, crisis, crisis. But actually , we as human beings but actually, we as human beings have extraordinary potential for ingenuo ity creativity and peacemaking and this is a conference thats gathering leaders from around the world. We have 1500 delegates coming. We have 1500 delegates coming. We have 1500 delegates coming. We have 1500 delegates coming. We have an Extraordinary Community from australia, three ex Prime Ministers, half the australian cabinet, two congressional delegations from the us, 400 from europe are coming , 400 the us, 400 from europe are coming, 400 from the uk are coming. I mean, this is going to be a place to be to discuss a hope filled narrative for the future. Now philippa, if people will hear all these sort of famous politicians from the uk, from australia, from the us, and so this sounds like a gathering of the great and the good from around the world and what they might think of straight away is, is this supposed to be a rival to the World Economic forum . This a is this an is this a is this an alternative to that , where they alternative to that, where they get great and the good get the great and the good around world to discuss around the world to discuss important issues . Important issues . So one of the key differences between us and the World Economic forum is that we profoundly believe that change comes from the bottom up. Change comes from the bottom up. Change comes from the bottom up. Change comes from the bottom up. Change comes from taking responsibility that individuals should be free to be responsible for what you and i should be responsible for that our families should be free to be responsible for what we want to take responsibility for. And as we do that, our communities strengthen. And then communities strengthen. And then that frees the government up to take the decisions that only they can take. But this is, you know, profoundly based on individuals and families being able to be to free go about their business and to live well and to serve their communities well and to build well. Well and to build well. And i think music to a lot of peoples ears there that its about the individual, the community. Tis the Family Structure and then coming up with solutions. Well youve already filled me with hope and thats what youre looking to do. Philippa stroud, thank you so much indeed forjoining us this morning. Now for a showbiz and sports round up, were joined as ever by hayley by Showbiz ReporterHayley Palmer broadcaster palmer and sports broadcaster and journalist aidan magee aiden. Were going to have to start with you this week because this is absolute magical day of sport concerned. Sport as far as im concerned. Merseyside derby , Chelsea Merseyside derby, chelsea against Rugby World Cup against arsenal Rugby World Cup semi final. Semi final. Its christmas day. Oh, terrific. Terrific. Racing at ascots champions day. Frankie dettori swan song day. Frankie dettori swan song as a jockey in the in the country i mean and hes doing the sport here whats whats whats your whats what are you most looking fonnard to . I think im actually looking fonnard to the tonight semi final. The rugby tonight semi final. To know. Phil its difficult to know. Phil exactly where england are the exactly where england are at the moment because theyve had five consecutive moment because theyve had five conse all. Ye yes, can them all. And yes, you can only beat of you, but beat whats in front of you, but they actually played. Beat whats in front of you, but they were actually played. Beat whats in front of you, but they were slaggingy played. At they were slagging them off at the tournament. The start of the tournament. I was i know, and rightly so. I was i know, and rightly so. Absolutely useless. They were absolutely useless. But listen, still but now listen, they may still be we be used as this is the point. We dont they are dont know where they are because they havent played anyone theyve anyone whos any good. Theyve played played played chile, theyve played fiji. That wasnt that wasnt a bad a bad opponent. Bad that wasnt a bad opponent. They lost in twickenham they lost them in twickenham in august. In august. Of course, argentina in the with 14 the first game, they won with 14 men. The acid men. Tonight is the real acid test of how far theyve come. Its not just that , because if its not just that, because if they past there, theyre of they get past there, theyre of course final they course in the final where they will new zealand. Will have to beat new zealand. Who last night against who won last night against argentina . Listen, argentina . 44 six. So listen, theyve got big name players. We interviewed lewis moody this morning. Thinks theyve got a morning. He thinks theyve got a punchers chance. But as i say, punchers chance. But as i say, its difficult gauge where its difficult to gauge where they theyve not they are because theyve not played good and its played anyone any good and its gone on for long well. Gone on for too long as well. This tournament, really gone on for too long as well. Thisnow. Tournament, really gone on for too long as well. This now. Well ament, really gone on for too long as well. This now. Well amentafrica rlly gone on for too long as well. This now. Well amentafrica were has now. Well south africa were brilliant has now. Well south africa were brilthey indeed. Has now. Well south africa were brilwell indeed. Has now. Well south africa were brilwell this indeed. Has now. Well south africa were brilwell this is 1deed. Has now. Well south africa were brilwell this is theed. Has now. Well south africa were brilwell this is the thing. The well this is the thing. The best two teams, ireland and france are not the tournament france are not in the tournament thats allowed that allowed the likes argentina likes of england and argentina to get the get the to get to the final get to the semi final. Course, still semi final. Of course, i still think be france think its going to be a france against well, against new zealand final. Well, new there. New zealand are already there. To think the i wanted to think about the liverpool are liverpool derby. Yes. And are all the best players going to be on the pitch . Liverpool side . There was a bit of an accident there. I was reading the papers. Yeah, it happened in knutsford cheshire, area knutsford in cheshire, an area i know well indeed , know very, very well indeed, highlighting it. Yes, were date there yes, were on a date there once , he went on a date once anyway, he went on a date there once, maybe went on one date and it was there. No, i think i think once was doing a lot of lifting there, to be honest. Obviously, she wasnt that keen on you, aiden. I dont want no, no, no, no. I dont want to anyway. Go on. Look, to go there anyway. Go on. Look, look, its very have look, its very, very could have been a tragic accident yesterday. Trent alexander, Andre Alexander arnold, the liverpool player, was involved Andre Alexander arnold, the livapool player, was involved Andre Alexander arnold, the liva crash. Wlayer, was involved Andre Alexander arnold, the liva crash. Ayer, was involved Andre Alexander arnold, the liva crash. A pilot as involved Andre Alexander arnold, the liva crash. A pilot on involved Andre Alexander arnold, the liva crash. A pilot on an olved in a crash. A pilot on an electric electricity pylon as a result storms have result of the storms have been going into road and going on, fell into the road and missed him by just a few a few feet. Hes okay. Were not sure missed him by just a few a few fe hes es okay. Were not sure missed him by just a few a few fe hes es okyto were not sure missed him by just a few a few fe hes es okyto takee not sure missed him by just a few a few fe hes es okyto take part. Sure if hes going to take part today. And then andy today. Of course. And then Andy Robertson going robertson as well. Hes to going have to have surgery. He suffered injury, an injury playing for scotland earlier in the be the week. And hes going to be out for period of time. So out for a period of time. So theyre players out for a period of time. So theyre i players out for a period of time. So theyre i still players out for a period of time. So theyre i still takeplayers out for a period of time. So theyre i still take liverpool out for a period of time. So thnwinl i still take liverpool out for a period of time. So thnwin quite ill take liverpool out for a period of time. So thnwin quite comfortably,jool to win quite comfortably, though. Everton havent won there. Well theyve won. They won and won there three years ago and theres fans in building. Theres no fans in the building. But not won but prior to that had not won there but hayley, there since 1999. But hayley, im a celebrity. Yes. Yes. Good news because the good news because in the rugby there was an advert and i was like, here we go. Celebritys coming back. And that the news back. Ii|d that the news back. Ii could. The news back. Ii could wish ie news back. Ii could wish for, news back. Ii could wish for, fornews that i could wish for, for myself, not for phil watching the rugby, i was watching the rugby a little bit of it. And yeah, the little advert came on a little teaser. Anyway so its coming back a couple of weeks away. Names yet we dont know, away. Names yet we dont know, but heard that fred , the but i have heard that fred, the host from first dates that they want him on there because they said that the ladies would like him so he could go down. Well but yes, theyve got a new retreat. So i dont know what retreat. So i dont know what that means because usually they make as well. No, hes make a chef as well. No, hes not chef. Make a chef as well. No, hes not he chef. Make a chef as well. No, hes not he meets and greets. No, no. He meets and greets. No, no. But he is, isnt he . But i think he is, isnt he . Isnt think or isnt he a chef . I think so. Or hes owned restaurants. I think. I yeah, he well i think. Yeah, he could. Well i meant is he serves a double purpose, not only is there purpose, not only is he there getting to get food, getting tokens to get the food, he could rustle it up. He could actually rustle it up. Absolutely. Absolutely. The dish. So the dish. So the dish. There we go. There we go. So, yes. And btec are really excited to bring and yeah, to bring it back. And yeah, theyve this new retreat, theyve got this new retreat, which what that which i dont know what that means but usually , come on, glamorous, but usually, come on, theyve got to get their hands dirty. Got to get stuck in. Would do it if you were would you do it if you were asked . Thats question asked . Thats my question as well. Asked . Thats my question as wellisten, i cant do camping. Listen, i cant do camping. I cant one cant even go camping for one night. Do a five star. Youre not great in a swimsuit all of that. Swimsuit and all of that. Definitely so you could definitely do it. Take that. It. Yeah ill take that. But i could do the shower. See, mining class. See, like mining class. What would you do . It see, like mining class. I was would you do . It see, like mining class. I was would � tentatively to i was asked, tentatively to do another show similar do a show. Another show similar show. Telling you about show. Not telling you about five, ago. I five, six years ago. And i turned it down because my current wouldnt current employers wouldnt release current employers wouldnt relecrimewatch was it built with you . Do it, phil, ill do it. Yeah do it, phil, ill do it. Yeah no, no, no, no. Would you do it . I wouldnt do it. Not. Not nothing about that. Not. Not because of the matt hancock and nadine experience. Its Nadine Dorries experience. Its because im absolutely im petrified. Im petrified of snakes. Im petrified of snakes. Im petrified heights. Im not petrified of heights. Im not that keen on water. Not keen on water. Not keen on water. Like, its the its like, no, its like the world. Its like worlds worst night. I wouldnt do for night. I wouldnt do it for all the china. Night. I wouldnt do it for all the id china. Night. I wouldnt do it for all the id be china. Night. I wouldnt do it for all the id be thought the little treats. You know, i like my little snacks. Have snacks. You cant have any of those, can you . Just right. Those, can you . No. Just right. Few quid if you you get a few quid if you win though you . You get a few quid if you win tho yeah, you . You get a few quid if you win tho yeah, but you . You get a few quid if you win tho yeah, but not . You get a few quid if you win tho yeah, but not much these days. I think they pay you to go on dont they want the i dont they want the money. I dont they want the money. I dont win anything. Dont they want the money. I dont right. Win anything. Dont they want the money. I dont right. Goyvin anything. Dont they want the money. I dont right. Go on. Anything. Dont they want the money. I dont right. Go on. Liything. Dont they want the money. I dont right. Go on. Liythina okay. Right. To go on. I have a word with the producers. I think youd be cracking on that show. Word with the producers. I think ycyou be cracking on that show. Word with the producers. I think ycyou hateacking on that show. Word with the producers. I think ycyou hate all ng on that show. Word with the producers. I think ycyou hate all those that show. Word with the producers. I think ycyou hate all those things, ow. You. They you. Me. They couldnt me they couldnt afford me because there isnt there isnt enough world that because there isnt there isnt enoungersuade world that because there isnt there isnt enoungersuade me world that because there isnt there isnt enoungersuade me to yvorld that because there isnt there isnt enoungersuade me to gold that because there isnt there isnt enoungersuade me to go on. 1at would persuade me to go on. Ill interested to see if everyones ill interested to see if every that that ill interested to see if every that that youre is that what is that youre absolutely you have absolutely i know you have anyway, speaking price anyway, speaking of price madonna, what a goddess she is. Shes been on a celebration tour, just coming to an end and she is just performer , she is just the best performer, isnt she . When you see her, shes down the whole shes not sitting down the whole time. Physically moving time. Shes physically moving the whole time. That. You i didnt think that. You see, i on instagram, i know because on instagram, everybody videos when everybody videos it. When theyre goes to theyre on it, nobody goes to watch Music Festival or watch her. A Music Festival or anything. Theyre all watching it through the camera and videoing it. I thought she looked a bit myself. Looked a bit ropey myself. A bit tough. She was a bit. No, no, no. She is 65. Name me another 65 year old that can like that. Cher was always was. Cher was brilliant. Tina tina turner. Its like its like the light of the romans ever done for us. Shes doing glastonbury. Shes doing glastonbury. Shes going to be headlining glastonbury next year when theyre it. So theyre in talks for it. So thats. Thats amazing. Was her mean, maybe it was her outfits, its all a bit outfits, but its all a bit clunky, werent they . Sort clunky, werent they . They sort of time . Of didnt she spend more time . Can move. Got it. She can move. Got it. She can move. She spent more time changing her than singing. Her outfit than singing. Madonna you there you go. Madonna you were used dance teacher. What you think of her moves . W moves . It. Shes got stamina. She can she can go for it. She can she can go for it. Im more a beyonce fan. I im more of a beyonce fan. I thought beyonce was unbeliev able. Oh, yeah. Shes next level. Oh, yeah. Shes next level. There you go. Shes the next level. She was like level cher. Weve got beyonce. Ill just weve got beyonce. Ill just go. Well any more sport that you wanted to throw in the mix . Yeah, weve got the phil mentioned earlier on the racing at ascot with frankie the tories last match on champion. His last match, last ride on champions day. A horses hes running day. A few horses hes running and he said he was retiring earlier year at 52 it earlier in the year at 52 it looks like now hes going to go to have bit to the states and have a bit of a spell over there, probably earn but i dont earn a bit of money, but i dont think see him these think well see him on these shores today is shores anytime soon. So today is the say for him. The last time to say for him. And of course, ascot is his big because where big place because it was where he rode winners in one he rode seven winners in one day. Jockey who a day. The only jockey who did a hell achievement is hell of an achievement is magnificent character hell of an achievement is mewell. ent character as well. Yeah, were fan, to leave. Yeah, were a fan, arent we . Brilliant guy. Brilliant guy. You said, i dont and like you said, i dont know easy is for him know how it easy it is for him to so im going to retire. Im going retire. Im going to retire. Im going to retire. Actually, loves but actually, he loves horses. Loves the horses. He loves racing. The relationship his is relationship with his dad is cunous relationship with his dad is curious as it was another curious as well. It was another jockey, that jockey, wasnt he . So that was. If youre flat jockey, but if youre a flat jockey, youve your diet. Mean, youve got your diet. I mean, youd give wouldnt youd want to give up, wouldnt you . Because having a few slap up time, first impressions. Youre going to talk about. Youre going to talk about. Want about that i want to talk about that because Howard Donald admitted that he thought band mate that he thought that band mate jason was intimidating at first. And i thought thats actually really interesting because sometimes you can get the wrong impression people, you . Impression of people, cant you . No, no. I thought it was a nice bloke. I thought you a really arrogant. Arrogant. Thats right. All of that. I thats right. All of that. I was shocked there. No but but anyway, just just to say we are actually on air at the moment, just so its rehearsal or anything to get the wrong impression of me because, well, im six foot and a lion , but im im six foot and a lion, but im not really. Im just a little pussycat. Im just a little pussycat. And a lion. Yeah. Six foot and a lion. Yeah. Six foot and a lion. Yeah. Different like you give a different impression are. Impression to what you are. First impression. So basically, frightened basically, he was frightened of jason. What was he. What was he. Jason. What was he. What was he. He intimidated by him. He was intimidated by him. Was a really good dancer. He was a really good dancer. And a and sometimes youve got a talent. Oh, my talent. Youre thinking, oh, my god, them on a pedestal. God, you put them on a pedestal. But actually everyones a human being. Feelings, being. Weve all got feelings, even and intimidated even aiden and intimidated by anybody. Anybody. Aiden sharks. Aiden sharks. Aiden sharks. I thought you were a human being. No no. Hayley. Being intimidated by occasionally h ayley. B ut hayley. But no, not often. But no, not often. Anyway. Thank you. Anyway. Thank you. Anyway. Thank you. Ever. Both of you, for that. Very entertaining, as always. Very entertaining, as always. So thats it from us. Great, great show. You have a show over. Show over. Well be back at 10 00 next saturday. So you cant you wont want to miss that. 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Well, looking to the rest of the looking ahead to the rest of the day, across day, the heavy rain across scotland will finally begin to ease elsewhere. We have some ease elsewhere. We have some thundery showers across the south thats all courtesy of south and thats all courtesy of this low pressure. Its this area of low pressure. Its been across the uk the last been across the uk over the last few and unfortunately few days and unfortunately its still far any still not going anywhere far any time soon. So as we go into this afternoon, western parts of the country a little bit dry with some spells of sunshine, but weve still heavy rain weve still got this heavy rain across it slow , across scotland. It will slow, slowly way a little slowly spread its way a little bit northwards. Bit further northwards. But we do amber warnings do have amber and red warnings in force throughout the in force right throughout the afternoon on, as i mentioned, the risk a few thundery the risk of a few thundery showers, especially down towards the corner. And the south eastern corner. And for us, temperatures for most of us, temperatures around be for around where they should be for the into this the time of year into this evening, that heavy rain will finally begin to clear the mainland of scotland. And that will up really for a much will set us up really for a much drier night right across the board. Still, the of a few board. Still, the risk of a few breaks maybe along the breaks of rain, maybe along the south coast of england, for example. But south coast of england, for example. But under south coast of england, for example. But under the clear example. But under the clear skies inland , chillier night example. But under the clear skiesof land , chillier night example. But under the clear skiesof late , chillier night example. But under the clear skiesof late could illier night example. But under the clear skiesof late could seer night example. But under the clear skiesof late could see lows1t then of late could see lows falling into mid single figures. So we start sunday off on a much brighter note and it will be a dry day , certainly a day to take dry day, certainly a day to take stock if you have unfortunately seen flooding over recent seen some flooding over recent days. The sunshine will days. Best of the sunshine will be out towards the eastern half of the uk, out towards the west. Of the uk, out towards the west. We will see a few showers around, but certainly much lighter than they have lighter and fewer than they have been. For most been. And temperatures for most of us around where they should be time of year away. Away. Hello and welcome to gb news saturday. Im pip tomson and for the next three hours ill be keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online and on Digital Radio. Ill keep you up to date on the stories that really matter to you. Coming up this hour , aid you. Coming up this hour, aid trucks finally enter the egypt gaza crossing with vital humanitaire supplies. But britains foreign secretary says it cannot be a one off. Meanwhile israel says the number of hostages being held in gaza is now 210. Well have the latest latest live from israel as it happens. As with the eyes as it happens. As with the eyes of the world on gaza, what exactly is iran up to . Theyve exactly is iran up to . Theyve warned that any israeli invasion of gaza will have repercussions. Of gaza will have repercussions. So how concerned should we really be . Oh, dear. Rishi after those two disastrous by Election Results , our tory mps about to results, our tory mps about to turn on their leader. Or does the Prime Minister still have time to turn it around and to get in touch . Send me your thoughts on vaiews gbnews. Uk or you can message me on our socials. Were at gb news. First, lets get a full round up of the headlines with sophia. Of the headlines with sophia. Good afternoon. Its 12 01. Good afternoon. Its12 01. Im sofia good afternoon. Its 12 01. Im sofia wenzel in the newsroom. Aid has started in the newsroom. Aid has started flowing into gaza with the rafah crossing opening for the