Christian, everyone. It cant give up. What makes you who you are. If you give up. What makes you who you are. If you give give up. What makes you who you are. If you give that up, then are. If you give that up, then the terrorists win and we can never let them win. Never let them win. Well, joe biden also supported the Israeli Defence forces claims that the explosion at the hospital in gaza last night was caused by a failed rocket attack on israel by another terror Group Operating within gaza. Palestinian Islamic Jihad officials in gaza, however, are still blaming the israelis for the explosion, which they say killed nearly 500 people. Rishi sunak today was speaking in clacton on sea, and he described the hospital explosion as shocking. But he called for calm heads as intelligence analysts established what happened exactly. Well, that comes as exactly. Well, that comes as downing street says at least seven british nationals were killed and nine are still missing after hamass terror attack on israel on the 7th of october. The terrorist group captured nearly 200 hostages and brought them back to gaza on the seventh. The Prime Minister says the government is working around the government is working around the clock to free hostages. Now the clock to free hostages. Now in other news, the rate of inflation remained at 6. 7 last month as lowering food and drink pnces month as lowering food and drink prices rise were cancelled out by higher petrol and diesel prices. The office for National Statistics says the inflation stayed at the same rate, despite expectations it may fall again. The reading helps Government Departments calculate how much benefit payments should increase by next year as well as having an effect on tax. And lastly , a an effect on tax. And lastly, a red weather warning for rain and wind has been issued by the met office for parts of scotland, that means very dangerous weather is expected with extensive flooding likely to pose a risk to life. The weather warning runs from 6 00 tomorrow until noon on friday, although storm babette has already started to barrel in affecting the republic of ireland, flooding in cork, weve seen onune flooding in cork, weve seen online already and also flooding along the devon coast. Well keep you up to date on that one. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. Britains news channel. Good evening. Well, as we were on air last night, we learned of a rocket attack on a hospital in gaza , claims that up hospital in gaza, claims that up to 471 people were killed. The to 471 people were killed. The media were very quick to jump to the assumption that it must have been an israeli rocket that caused this human disaster. Since then, the israelis have put out what they believe to be conclusive proof that actually it was a misfired rocket from hamas themselves , as i dont hamas themselves, as i dont think either of us know quite the truth. But we will have tonight on with us a former spokesperson for the palestinian authority. I will ask her to put authority. I will ask her to put her side of what happened last night and whats happened in the conflict to date. And perhaps more interestingly , where we go, more interestingly, where we go, which significant because which is significant because i fear the risk of escalation is getting worse. Iran are flexing their muscles in israel genuinely now faces the prospect of a war on at least two fronts. And into all of this, this morning flew to the u. S president , met the man who president , met the man who throughout his career in the last couple of decades has done more than almost any other human being to trust iran with their Nuclear Program , to trust they Nuclear Program, to trust they wouldnt develop Nuclear Weapons is in return for freeing up tens of billions of dollars. But today he came to in be a strong ally of israel. But frankly , his ally of israel. But frankly, his performance says something to me. It says the reason that putin has gone into ukraine, it says the reason why hamas did what they did on the 7th of october, if the western world doesnt have strong leadership , if the have strong leadership, if the world is, in my view , a much world is, in my view, a much more dangerous place , lets just more dangerous place, lets just have a look at biden talking about the rocket attack on the hospital yesterday. Hospital yesterday. I was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion at the hospital in gaza yesterday. And based on what ive seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team. Not not you , the the other team. Not not you, the other team team. What is this . Bazball well, does biden see moral equivalence between what the israelis are doing and what hamas have done on . And since the 7th of october, it was the most extraordinary clumsy, poor use of words. But it did reveal of words. But it did reveal something interesting. It did something interesting. It did reveal because remember , reveal because remember, everything he says is pretty much presented to him on cards. Its just when he goes off script that it goes wrong. What it does mean is that the intelligence that was given to biden by the americans also indicate that actually what happened at the al ali hospital yesterday was a misfire from hamas. Clearly, thats what it american intelligence believes is. But the use of the word team know what you should have said, president is the other murdering terrorist. Thats did it. But no terrorist. Thats did it. But no , thats not what he did. And then have a look at this where he just completely and utterly loses his way. Loses his way. You know , years ago, i asked you know, years ago, i asked the secretary of state when he and i were working in the senate to write something for me and he said he wrote a line that i think is appropriate. And he think is appropriate. And he said its not we lead not just it. Well, i wont go into it. Ill wait later. Taking too much time. But the ill wait later. Taking too much time. But the point is ill wait later. Taking too much time. But the point is this, time. But the point is this, that just all over the place lost his thread. Disastrous week. And that, i disastrous week. And that, i think, is why the world is in as bad a place right now as it is. Do you agree with me . Is biden do you agree with me . Is biden fit to lead the free world . I dont think he is. I think hes dont think he is. I think hes causing many of these problems. But please give me your thoughts. Farage at gbnews. Com. Lets go live to tel aviv to join gb News Reporter charlie peters. Charlie, a big push from peters. Charlie, a big push from the israelis today. They they the israelis today. They they put out voice recordings allegedly of hamas people speaking to each other. They put out the information about the time that hamas rockets were fired and the time the hospital was hit. Do fired and the time the hospital was hit. Do you agree fired and the time the hospital was hit. Do you agree with fired and the time the hospital was hit. Do you agree with me that it looked like in american intelligence this was agreeing very much with israel. Very much with israel. That was the main effort of bidens mission today, i think, to reaffirm their support for the israeli side. And biden did land at a time of unprecedented tension in the region since this conflict started last night when news broke of that explosion at the hospital before the idf had time to react and put out their side, the arab world reacted with extreme condemnation. Within 15 minutes, the palestinian authorities said it was a crime of genocide and then hezbollah called for a un unprecedented day of rage. Today and we have seen that protest in amman, in jordan, fires outside the israeli and american embassies similar embassies in beirut and similar also in istanbul, in turkey. And so support also in istanbul, in turkey. And so israeli support also in istanbul, in turkey. And so israeli position support also in istanbul, in turkey. And so israeli position theirort also in istanbul, in turkey. And so iintelligence n theirort also in istanbul, in turkey. And so iintelligence briefs theirort also in istanbul, in turkey. And so iintelligence briefs thatirort own intelligence briefs that we saw morning. A saw this morning. Quite a comprehensive compelling, comprehensive of and compelling, but not conclusive depiction of what happened last night. They showed both imagery, intelligence and signals intelligence and signals intelligence to claim that palestinian Islamic Jihad were to blame for a misfiring rocket that struck the hospital car park today. Weve also seen footage from the car park. It is not a destroyed hospital as claimed by hamas last night. They do not appear to be 500 casualties as claimed as well. The crater in the ground has also not mirrored the sort of explosion youd expect from a missile. So a significant day of developments here and also a win for biden with the support for humanity and humanity , an aid humanity and humanity, an aid moving into gaza from egypt. So a big moment for washingtons diplomacy there, at least. Any indication , charlie, from any indication, charlie, from the us president , what about any increased military support . I know weve got the us navy out there off the shores of gaza. There off the shores of gaza. Any indication of direct military aid that would now come from the usa . Well he certainly from the usa . Well he certainly said that they would stand by israel in their time of need and there was also a statement about there was also a statement about the replenishing of the iron dome Missile Defence stocks. So the american taxpayer spends well over 1 billion a year on replenishing the missiles here. Each rocket costs 100,000 and we see several of them a day flying up in the air to intercept it. Those rockets from the gaza strip and also rockets fired from the north by lebanese hezbollah. So that was a significant step in terms of keeping israels air defence secured. And we do know that well, while biden was here, there were no rocket attacks. It was relatively quiet time in was a relatively quiet time in israel in the centre at least. But after he left biden said the mission he wanted to see in this region was peace. As air force one lifted up the rocket barrages restarted in aviv. Barrages restarted in tel aviv. Weve in the shelter three weve been in the shelter three times in the last two hours, so those iron dome missiles that hes seeking to replenish are almost certainly going to be very busy the coming days. Very busy over the coming days. , i mean, how much and charlie, i mean, how much debate is there about the prospect of a war on two fronts and perhaps even tensions also in the west bank . Well, they are definitely growing those tensions in the west bank. Some 64 People Killed since the start of this war yesterday, a 17 year old and a 72 year old shot by police as the rage in rage continued there. In the current situation, we saw significant protests in ramallah today after last nights reported explosion. But also this morning, there was a return to skirmishes on that border with southern lebanon with anti tank guided missiles and shelling fired over likely by lebanese hezbollah. Also some by lebanese hezbollah. Also some successful missile attacks landing in northern israel as well. The iron dome failing to intercept all of them under heavy barrage. We also saw today , i think, away from israel , two , i think, away from israel, two drones launched likely by the Islamic Revolutionary guard corps, irans main proxy force in the region in iraq, two intercepted in iraq with sources telling a news agency that they were off to target american forces. So very much a case that iran is flexing its muscles as the world looks on, particularly the world looks on, particularly the arab world looks on with anger at the situation as that convoy gathers in the south of israel for that planned invasion of the gaza strip. It is very tense here. People arent sure whats going to happen next, but they are certain that more violence is likely to continue. Final thought, charlie , if final thought, charlie, if i may. Israel warned People Living in the north of the gaza strip to head towards the south of the gaza strip , given that it was gaza strip, given that it was already one of the most densely populated places on earth, im imagining the situation in Southern Gaza is very, very densely packed and difficult, and yet no sign that egypt will allow anyone from gaza across their border. Their border. Yes, foreign nationals. So far not being allowed to exit and yesterday, King Abdullah of jordan said it was a red line for any refugees to be in jordan or egypt. This is a position of arab solidarity. They feel as though if any palestinians leave the gaza strip, they wont be allowed to return. And so there has been that effort by american diplomacy successful today to ensure some humanitarian aid can arrive for those who have fled , arrive for those who have fled, who have fled some best part of a million who have fled from the north the south. There is north to the south. There is a coastal humanitarian safe zone. And now this first bit of access of humanitarian aid the of humanitarian aid from the egyptian side through the rafah crossing into to gaza, which will be so vitally needed as this situation descends into an untenable humanitarian crisis. So says the un. But they also need people to leave the north should they continue those military bombardments on gaza city. And lets not forget those hostages, at least 199 in gaza city. They need to be able to city. They need to be able to access that area to try and retrieve them. If diplomacy fails, they certainly do. Fails, they certainly do. Charlie, thank you very much indeed. Charlie, thank you very much indeed. Im now joined down the indeed. Im now joined down the line from the usa by john bolton, the former United StatesNational Security adviser under the administration, john, the Trump Administration, john, thank very much. Welcome thank you very much. Welcome again to the program. A bit of an irony , it seems to me that an irony, it seems to me that there is joe biden turning up in israel, were you, israel, saying, were with you, we strongest allies in we are your strongest allies in the world, and yet this is the man who was Vice President of the usa, endorsed and advertised the usa, endorsed and advertised the Iran Nuclear Deal in august of this year , agreed a deal that of this year, agreed a deal that will ultimately free up another 6 billion to iran, which theyre using to fund hezbollah and hamas. Yeah look, this is and hamas. Yeah look, this is a real problem for the Biden Administration. I think it was a positive development for him to give this strong signal of american support to netanyahu and to come out today and make it clear that it was us analysis that said that the terrible tragedy at the hospital in gaza was caused by the misfire of a palestinian missile, not an israeli missile. Missile, not an israeli missile. But but what the administration ever since october the 7th, ever since the hamas attack, has refused to acknowledge, is that the real problem here is iran. The real problem here is iran. And hamas didnt decide this on its own. Its iran. Thats the its own. Its iran. Thats the signal. Caller its iran thats suppued signal. Caller its iran thats supplied hamas and hezbollah armed them, trained them , armed them, trained them, financed them and so really, i view this what happened in a couple of days ago, ten days ago, was really an iranian attack on israel through its instrumentality, the terrorist group hamas. And i think once people understand that, then you can see what the real threat to peace and security in the middle eastis peace and security in the middle east is. Its the mullahs in east is. Its the mullahs in tehran , john. Tehran, john. I can see it very clearly. Ive seen it for years, like you. Ive been mystified by the obama administration, by the european union, and indeed, at times the British Government on this, too. But clearly, the risk this, too. But clearly, the risk of escalation is now very real indeed. What what, in your view, should the west now do . Should the west now do . Well, i think whats going to happen within the next 24 or 48 hours is that israel is going to make good on its stated intention to eliminate hamas. There will be entry into the gaza strip by substantial numbers of israeli combat arms forces and were going to see more outrage from the usual suspects. But i think this the suspects. But i think this the magnitude of the tragedy that struck israel is such that theres not a democratic government in the world that wouldnt do the same thing that israel is about to do if they had faced the same attack. So the next step really and this again, is a judgement that will be made in tehran, is whether hezbollah in the north unleashes attacks on israel. There have been reports over the past days the Syrian Government has moved its forces toward the golan heights. So well see what the heights. So well see what the reaction is. I think israels prepared for this. I think one reason perhaps israel didnt move as quickly as they might have was they wanted to be sure they were prepared necessary , they were prepared if necessary, to fight on a two front basis. I to fight on a two front basis. I think they probably are ready now. So the next step is iran. Now. So the next step is iran. I think they think they face a weak american president , notwithstanding that hes moved to carrier battle groups to the eastern mediterranean. And im eastern mediterranean. And im not sure that they dont read the hostage deal the same way you do. It was an act of weakness on the part of the administration. So im i would say the risk of escalation is high, although fundamentally its not escalation because iran has been in this from the beginning. Yeah and john, one of the tragedies of this and perhaps one of the reasons that its happening is the Trump Administration. I know you fell out with trump, but one of the achievements the achievements of the Trump Administration were the abraham accords, the coming together of israel other states in that israel and other states in that region. And the fact we were on the verge of saudi arabia and israel coming to a very significant agreement, something iran would never have wanted to see. And i personally think thats part of the reason behind the timing of all of this. But john would the world be a safer place if donald trump had still beenin place if donald trump had still been in the white house . No, i dont think so. I mean, i do agree with you on the abraham accords. Theyre very significant reflection of change in region as whole. The in the region as a whole. The gulf states and others had gulf arab states and others had come to accept that iran was the principal threat to their peace and security as it with and security as it was with israel. And we had the confluence of Strategic Thinking that that if the gulf arabs could get closer together with israel , they would all benefit. Israel, they would all benefit. And i think thats what produced the abraham accords. You are right to say that iran viewed that as a real threat to them and particularly the potential of a of an agreement with saudi. So thats why its so important to get the arab population to appreciate that the real aggressor here is not israel. Aggressor here is not israel. Its iran, because if you could make if you could make people aware of that, i think thered be a substantial chance for the region as a whole to stand against iran. And we might see the government there in real trouble. I the government there in real trouble. I think biden has been a particularly weak president. A particularly weak president. Im not sure how trump would have reacted in a number of these areas, but i think theres no doubt iran sees weakness in the Biden Administration and theyre taking advantage of it. Absolutely. John bolton, as always, a pleasure to have you on the program here at gb news. Thank you. But right now , thank you. But right now, yesterday i told you that the welsh parliament, the senate building, had banned gb news from their televisions. It is an act of the most astonishing censorship , maybe a warning shot censorship, maybe a warning shot for what a labour Led United Kingdom might be like. Well its not good enough, so im off to cardiff. Yes, absolutely. Farage at large will be in cardiff next wednesday. Well have a Live Audience , a venue as close to audience, a venue as close to that parliament as we can possibly get. I might even try possibly get. I might even try to go into the building myself. Be interesting to see what the reaction is if you want to come too. A farage at large in cardiff next wednesday to talk about why gb news has been bannedin about why gb news has been banned in the welsh parliament. Then go to gbnews. Com but do so very quickly. Itll sell out by very quickly. Itll sell out by the morning. Very quickly. Itll sell out by the morning. In a very quickly. Itll sell out by the morning. In a moment were the morning. In a moment were going to have a former spokeswoman for the palestinian authority. Im going to ask her about this american intelligence and what the palestinian side of the argument has to say listening to gb news radio. Im joined now live from the west bank by noor oda, the first female spokesperson for the palestinian authority. Not in palestinian authority. Not in that role any longer , but coming that role any longer, but coming on and joining us here on gb news. Good evening. Thank you for coming on and joining us. Now, obviously, whatever happened last night at that hospital in gaza, a lot of people were killed. Theres a people were killed. Theres a dispute as to what the number is. But a lot of people were killed. American intelligence and i accept that israel is a strong ally of america. But strong ally of america. But american intelligence suggests that at 659, ten rockets were fired by hamas from a cemetery quite close to that hospital. And that it was one of those that misfired , fired, not an that misfired, fired, not an israeli rocket. And this is something that the israelis have pushed very hard today. Do you have any evidence that it was an israeli rocket that. Israeli rocket that. Well, i can tell you that journalists have been trying to get israel to provide them with anything convincing so that they can adopt its version of the story, which has changed at least three times. A spokesperson for the israeli Prime Ministers office initially admitted that there was an israeli airstrike and that it had targeted what he said were Hamas Terrorists and that it had killed several. And then he deleted that that post on x. So and then the story changed again. And they accused hamas and then they accused Islamic Jihad. So its a bit difficult to take them for their word, especially given the fact that theyve well lied in previous incidents. So whatever whatever , whatever they say. Whatever, whatever they say. Okay , fine, whatever they okay, fine, whatever they say, whatever they say. My point was, you know, what proof do you have that it was an israeli rocket that landed . It looks like , in a car park, in a car like, in a car park, in a car park, rather than a direct hit on the hospital. On the hospital. Right . Well, that hospital was housing 3000 palestinians families, mainly women and children and men who had sought refuge in this hospital , which refuge in this hospital, which has been, by the way, providing Health Services to people in gaza for over 140 years. So its a its a place close to everyones heart. And the israelis knew that it was housing civilians because on saturday, as the church of canterbury confirmed , the canterbury confirmed, the israelis bombed next to the hospital they called up the doctors, told them that was their warning. They needed to leave the premises and the doctors were very clear that they cannot abandon their patients, that those patients would die if they left them or tried to evacuate them. There the pan Arab Networks were live when the airstrike happened. It when the airstrike happened. It was one of many. Well , look, there are well, look, there are airstrikes. No, no. I mean, i airstrikes. No, no. I mean, i dont dispute. Let me finish. Dont dispute. Let me finish. I dont dispute. Let me finish. I dont i dont dispute i dont dispute that there are civilians in gaza being killed and wounded for one moment. But whatever the whatever the historical rights and wrongs of this, and we can go back to 1948 or go back many, many , many years before that, if many, many years before that, if we chose to. Before. Yeah, yeah. Before. Yeah, yeah. No, no, i understand that. Whatever the rights and wrongs, whatever the passion on either side of argument, do you side of this argument, do you accept that that what happened on october the seventh, on that saturday morning with the incursion israel by hamas incursion into israel by Hamas Terrorists and the slaughter of 1000 hundred innocent people was a barbaric and terrible act . Well, first of all, im here in my personal capacity and im here as an analyst. So my personal opinion is really entirely irrelevant. The value i really i would hope of my interview. Yes. Because the interview. Yes. Because the value of my presence for your viewers and listeners is context is knowledge of the issues , is knowledge of the issues, knowledge of the players, knowledge of the players, knowledge of the context. Thats why i accept it to be your guest. And you had asked me what proof there was and what i was trying to tell you is that there are several credible Human Rights Organisations on the ground. They are collecting evidence, video and photo and evidence, video and photo and evidence on the ground. Nobody evidence on the ground. Nobody has been hindered from accessing the site. Nobody has been the site. Nobody has been forbidden from collecting that evidence and i have no doubt that there will be enough credible accounts from experts on what happened. But its important for your viewers to know that in previous incidents where a where civilians were killed and it was shocking, like the killing of al jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh , our reporter Shireen Abu Akleh, our colleague in dear friend in the beginning, israel claimed it was palestinian fire that killed her. And then they changed that story and then they changed it again until they couldnt. No, i understand. No, i understand. I understand that these arguments rage back and forth and it goes on all the time. I would simply asking about what happened on october the 7th with that incursion into israel. But when hamas act and do what they do , are they legitimate, do, are they legitimate, represent the lives of the Palestinian People . Well, no , no. One group is well, no, no. One group is a representative of the Palestinian People, just like no one party is a represents of all the british people. Right so this is one group of many in palestine. They have a following and we have to explain also to put in context that hamas is not just a military group. It is also a Political Group as a social and political agenda. And those two those two flanks of hamas dont necessarily coordinate or are know about each others work. So the backing for hamas would be on that basis on the ideological social agenda that it presented. And quite frankly, the Palestinian People with western pressure have not been allowed to exercise their right to vote and choose their representatives for many years because the west didnt want to try giving. Well , well, well. The last well, well, well. The last time that elections again, no , time that elections again, no, the last time they had an election, hamas won the election. And quite comfortably. Election. And quite comfortably. No. Let me ask you. No. Let me ask you. So let me ask you , what is so let me ask you, what is your argument . Is your argument. Yeah. That we can only have elections if the right people win . Is that how democracy . How democracy . No, no, no. Look, im merely so im just wondering. Im merely saying that they are seen by us to be you know, a strong representation of the palestinian view. Right or wrongly. A final thought , but wrongly. A final thought, but the most important thought , we the most important thought, we are where we are today. We are are where we are today. We are where we are today. There is a genuine risk of serious escalation and further heavy loss of life in israel , in gaza, loss of life in israel, in gaza, and goodness knows where else in the region. What would you and your personal capacity, what would you like to see happen next . Well i would like World Leaders to be smarter because right now what i see is complacency. Complacency. What i see is lazy politics. What i see is a cop out dumping more guns and more munitions and clapping and cheering on as more bombs are dropped on 2. 3 Million People who are caged in an open air prison is not the answer. And weve seen this time and again, we know it doesnt work. You cannot bomb your way into changing peoples minds. The americans couldnt do it. Others couldnt do it. It just wouldnt work. The core issue here is that an entire nation, the palestinians in the west bank and in gaza, continue to be denied their right to be free, their right to have a country, a state of their own. And state of their own. And everybody wants to do anything but face that fact. Right. And but face that fact. Right. And when the dust settles , when the when the dust settles, when the americans and the british go home after this war concludes, god knows with what kind of human toll the israelis will still have to do with the one inescapable truth, which is that palestinians are still here today and they still want to be free. And the only real and the easiest way for that conflict to end is to sit down and end the occupation, to be more invested in ending that occupation. Okay. In ending that occupation. Okay. Firing bombs demonise an entire mean i mean, and calling, many would say, entire people human animals. Many would say that actually theyre not occupying gaza at all. We can argue this forever, but thank you. Legal experts would disagree. But thank you for coming on and putting the palestinian point of view in particular your own point of view. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Never folks, let it be said that at gb news you dont hear all sides of the argument. You know where i stand. I stand firmly, firmly with israel. And i was really surprised and disappointed that when i asked the question about the barbarity of october the 7th, that happened through that incursion, that she simply refused to answer the question. But hey, you make your own minds up at home now as we speak, secure city is being ramped up in london as pro Palestine Protesters are holding a vigil outside downing street. The stop outside downing street. The stop the War Coalition have gathered and they gathered this coalition. Its looking like a pretty big crowd is building up. They started at £0. 05 pm. Theyre calling it an emergent protest after what happened at the Al Ahli Hospital in gaza. The Al Ahli Hospital in gaza. The met police said. We are aware of a vigil that is due to be held. We will have additional officers deployed to the area to ensure the event takes place safely. Well, look , there we safely. Well, look, there we are. I think were going to see an awful lot more of these demonstrations in british cities over the course of the next few weeks. In a moment, lets talk about net zero. The government says it could cost a trillion. Others think it could be much more. But is net zero even achievable radio. The boss of m15, ken mccallum, says there are now tens of thousands of companies in this country under siege from china. As they try to steal all of our industrial secrets. This will come as no surprise to sir ian duncan smith, conservative member of parliament for chingford and Woodford Green and of course, former conservative party leader. Ian, youve kind party leader. Ian, youve kind of been telling us this for the last few years. Last few years. Yeah, no, its no surprise at all to me , our desire to get all to me, our desire to get closer to china is a disaster for and the reality is that all china wants from us is the stuff that they cant get back in china, which is technology. And our secrets, our connection to the us is very important. Theyve completely , utterly made theyve completely, utterly made british universities almost completely dependent on chinese money. So that now they dont know what to do. If there arent Chinese Students coming in because they pay very high fees. We see Chinese Students , many of we see Chinese Students, many of them coming from universities that we know educate the Security Services back in china , Security Services back in china, who end up on sometimes on defence contracts here as postgrad students. So, you know, postgrad students. So, you know, we have been very slack here and the Security Services literally have been frustrated about this because politicians now refuse to call or the government refuses to call china as a threat. They call it a epoch defining challenge , which is defining challenge, which is just bizarre. Really so effectively, ian, china sees students coming into britain and then staying. Thats the way that china gets its spies into our country. Thats what youre saying . What youre saying . Well, its part of the way theres lots of other ways to do it. The Confucius Institute should have been banned. We were told they were going to be banned. Banned. Banned. Theyre not banned. They offer services on offer up Free Services on culture and language to universities. Some universities take they seem to universities. Some universities take up they seem to universities. Some universities take up spending they seem to universities. Some universities take up spending their seem to universities. Some universities take up spending their timen to end up spending their time mostly spying chinese mostly spying on Chinese Students they dont students to make sure they dont do wrong thing or too do the wrong thing or get too close to british students. So many, particularly the hong kong students , feel very fearful of students, feel very fearful of it and drive out of it and they drive them out of the debates. Its really the debates. Its really appalling. All around , youve appalling. So all around, youve got people in these got Chinese People in these companies. Youve seen a huge efforts to buy up british companies, british technology, not just us, by the way, across europe. Americas been faster on europe. Americas been faster on the draw on this. Theyve banned a lot of this. We were very slow to take that up. We have the powers now, we are very powers now, but we are very reluctant, appears to reluctant, it appears to me, to upset the Chinese Government in any or form, which mad any shape or form, which is mad really, because the end of it really, because at the end of it all and going to make this all and i was going to make this point had a very point because you had a very interesting interview i was watching just now with the representative the representative of the palestinian who, palestinian authorities who, by the said she the way, didnt said she couldnt because couldnt give an opinion because she wasnt here for herself and then promptly gave a very strong she wasnt here for herself and then pr atptly gave a very strong she wasnt here for herself and then pr atptly end. A very strong she wasnt here for herself and then pr atptly end. Sovery strong she wasnt here for herself and then pr atptly end. So ity strong she wasnt here for herself and then pr atptly end. So it struckg she wasnt here for herself and the|asr atptly end. So it struckg she wasnt here for herself and the|as rathery end. So it struck g she wasnt here for herself and the|as rathery end. Sthat struck g she wasnt here for herself and the|as rathery end. Sthat butckg me as rather bizarre that but okay. But the main point is that china is also heavily connected and creating a thing and i believe creating a thing called axis authoritarian called an axis of authoritarian states korea, china, states, north korea, china, russia , iran, syria now involved russia, iran, syria now involved in it, and iran is up to their eyeballs in the terrible attack that took place last week deliberately to smash any rapprochement with saudi and saudi is now had a rapprochement with iran. So, you know, you can see no hand in all of this. I know. I know. And china brokering that rapprochement. Extraordinary final thought on this. Weve criticised rishi sunak before from kind of backtracking from the words he used when he ran from conservative leader from being conservative leader to them where does to softening them where does labour on china . Labour stand on china . Good question. Im not good question. Im not altogether certain. Ive got very good colleagues in the labour party who are part of the inter Parliamentary Alliance on china, which i set up now, got 32 countries, by the way, from japan usa, all concerned japan to the usa, all concerned and about the rise of china and the power of china and the negative attitudes that china takes. So everyone concerned about that, lots of people in the labour party are very concerned and members of ipac, but i dont know for certain exactly where the where the labour party know hierarchy stands on this. No no, no. Well, thats a question were going to ask them. Sir ian, as even going to ask them. Sir ian, as ever, thank you for joining us on the program. Shocking. Im afraid, but predictable. Now ross clarke is the author of not zero and a prolific journalist on energy. Now net zero, weve got to get there by 2050. Its going to cost some estimates say , well, the government says it will cost £1 trillion, but thats not really the half of it, is it . Well the government doesnt actually say. Of course, 1 trillion from the treasury refused to come up with an estimate. They said it couldnt done. Theres too with an estimate. They said it couldrunknowns,. Theres too with an estimate. They said it couldrunknowns, too eres too with an estimate. They said it couldrunknowns, too manyoo many unknowns, too many technologies have to be invented. National. It was the National Infrastructure commission for a quango, which today came up with this £1 trillion figure. Of course, its a lot of money, but its also complete fantasy because, you know, there are so many technologies which have yet to be developed properly, yet to be scaled up on which we will be completely reliant to reach net zero. I mean, take one example. Today the government wants to decarbonise the National Grid by 2035 and power ourselves almost mostly by wind and solar. Well, to do that, you need backup because the sun doesnt always shine. The wind doesnt always blow. At the moment we use gas. If we dont have gas, what do we have . We possibilities. Maybe we have . We possibilities. Maybe we have gas with Carbon Capture and storage, or maybe have battery storage. But all these things cost a tremendous amount. Cost a tremendous amount. Doesnt yet work any of it, does it . Well, these things work , but well, these things work, but its a different. Scale. Having its a different. Scale. Having something that works that actually makes commercial sense when scaled up. Thats the big michael kelly, who has recently retired a professor of retired as a professor of technology and Electrical Engineering at cambridge university. He thinks that were going to need to produce about five times the amount of electricity that we are today by 2050 to make all of this work. And he thinks it of this work. And he thinks it could cost between 4 and 5 trillion. And i just think whether its 1 trillion, 4 trillion, 5 trillion people sitting at home thinking, well, this number is so big, i cant even begin to get my head around it. But isnt the truth of it actually, we theyre the ones that are be paying for this. Were all going to be paying, arent we . Because some you know, the national know, i mean, the National Infrastructure today, know, i mean, the national inf| example,. Today, know, i mean, the national inf|example, said, today, know, i mean, the national inf|example, said, well, today, know, i mean, the national inf|example, said, well, well ay, for example, said, well, well turn over to heat pumps and the government have to government will have to subsidise to tune of subsidise them to the tune of £7,000 per household. Well all get £7,000 per household to fit a heat pump. So wheres that money going to be . 6 billion a year . 6 billion a year . Its going to come from 6 billion a year for just its going to come from 6 billion a year forjust putting billion a year for just putting heat pumps on the side of as you as you say, all this, this talk about government money. Its not government money. Its its taxpayers its our money. Its taxpayers money thats going to pay for it all. Ross you youve been all. Ross you know, youve been writing this for a long writing about this for a long time. Youve appeared several times on this to times with me and on this to channel try and talk some sense into the net zero argument that it just isnt achievable and it isnt affordable. It may be desirable, but it isnt going to happen this way with what we saw from sunak the other day, are there any signs of political change yet . Well, there are. I mean, what well, there are. I mean, what rishi said was a retreat on limited retreat on 1 or 2 tiny gas boilers and electric cars. And so on. But, you know, as these targets come , you know, these targets come, you know, into the near future , were into the near future, were going to have serious problems. Going to have serious problems. And the one really to watch is this 20, 35 target for decarbonising the grid. Labour party wants to do it by 2030. And yet, as you know, no idea of how it solves this intermittency problem of how to back up Electricity Supply when theres no wind and solar power. So john armitt, who heads the National Infrastructure commission, he said once a record is saying what its like president kennedy said at the beginning of the 1960s, were going to put a man on the moon by the end of the 1960s, which of course america did achieve. Well, you know, what did people dont tend to liken it to is nasas promise later in the 1960s to put a man on mars by 1980, which still hasnt happened. The world is sort of technologies which we hoped would come into fruition, but failed to arrive on time. But failed to arrive on time. Ross clark as ever, the voice of reason, i think the Great British public are waking up to this. I think westminster are very, very behind where the centre of gravity is beginning to go. In a moment, the conservative member of parliament for hartlepool has caused outrage. She says that caused outrage. She says that shes besieged by Asylum Seekers and thinks people have come here illegally should be deported. Illegally should be deported. Well speak to her live in just a moment. Itold i told you the other day about what happened in hartlepool on sunday morning. The fact that a man died outside a house that had been housing Asylum Seekers. He has, of course, this guy has been charged. He will appear in court. Well find out more when it comes to court. But a bigger issue was raised today by jill mortimer. Shes been the member of parliament, conservative member of parliament for hartlepool since 2021. And here she was standing up today in the house of commons at Prime Ministers questions every week my office is besieged by Asylum Seekers. My staff are intimidated by young men. The fact is, most of them are Illegal Migrants who should be expelled. Enough is enough. Be expelled. Enough is enough. I want these people out of hartlepool now. Hartlepool now. I would like to reassure her that this government is doing everything we can to tackle illegal migration and the harm it causes by removing those with no right to be here in the uk, we have excellent long standing relationships ships return relationships ships to return people many countries. We are people to many countries. We are returning thousands of people more this year than we have done in past and we will continue in the past and we will continue to avenue at our to use every avenue at our disposal to ensure it is disposal to ensure that it is only this country and this government who decides to come here not criminal gangs. Here and not criminal gangs. Well, thats an answer weve heard over and over and over. Im not convinced by it, and not many are. Jill mortimer joins me here, besieged by Asylum Seekers. Tell us what you meant. Seekers. Tell us what you meant. We have an office in hartlepool and my staff regularly have groups of young men outside knocking on the doon men outside knocking on the door, ringing the bell, laying on the bell. If they dont answer, because we can see on the cameras that it is more Asylum Seekers. They will ring the phones to try and catch us out. They will stand at the end of the street and look down. What do they my stuff. What do they want . My stuff. They want my staff to give them leave to remain. Which of course, my cant that. Leave to remain. Which of chave, my cant that. Leave to remain. Which of c have a ny cant that. Leave to remain. Which of c have a fantastic� ant that. Leave to remain. Which of c have a fantastic team that. Leave to remain. Which of c have a fantastic team of. Hat. Leave to remain. Which of c have a fantastic team of very i have a fantastic team of very dedicated people in hartlepool. Weve undertake. 9000 pieces of weve undertake. 9000 pieces of casework and correspondence since i came in in 21. Nothing had been done in hartlepool for 57 years for people. Weve come 57 years for people. Weve come in, they do amazing work and they shouldnt have to put up with this when they contact the home office to get an update on these people who knock on the door to find out whats happening with their their applications. Very often theyll find out that these people have been refused asylum on more than one occasion previously. Yeah. One occasion previously. Yeah. And youve got obviously this this was a private house from which this knife attack was launched. But youve got Migrant Hotels hartlepool as well. We hotels in hartlepool as well. We dont have Migrant Hotels, dont have any Migrant Hotels, no hotels. Council, because no hotels. The council, because there the north east yeah, the council have done an actually of an excellent job. Actually of integrating people into our community. But very sadly, i think what weve got to remember here is that someone has lost their life. There is a family grieving in my town and thats what has provoked me to have to stand up and say what my constituents would want me to say. On the broader level. Well, you were saying basically people who come here illegally should be. Oh, of course. Be expelled. Oh, of course. I mean, nigel, im a i mean, nigel, im quite a moderate person. Should should i mean, should they should they the asylum process . Well, if somebody comes and says they have a claim, you know, have no choice legally know, you have no choice legally. And these people get. And sadly, these people get all the right lawyers all the right lefty lawyers backing them. You have to backing them. But you have to take process check take through a process and check. But, know, the ones that. But, you know, the ones that ive. But, you know, the ones that pve the. But, you know, the ones that ive the issue with are ive got the real issue with are people have through people that have gone through that still here. That process and are still here. The problem is, and its but the problem is, and its not lefty lawyers, its the conservative party who, despite being the party that adopted brexit, that want to keep us in the European Convention on human rights and thats what the lefty lawyers lean on. Can the conservative party , has it got conservative party, has it got the guts to deal with echr . I think they do. Ive got a lot of confidence in the Home Office Team we have at the moment and of suella with Robert Jenrick and sarah. I think weve got a very good team in there and i think today i had to speak truth to power because sometimes you to be persuasive. You have to be persuasive. I think political think there is the political will side of the benches will on our side of the benches to do this. Mean , look, its to do this. I mean, look, its a straight choice. Youve got us all over the other side. They block everything that try to block everything that we try to do make this problem get do to make this problem get solved. And, you know, if youre in a straight choice, its only the conservatives that are going to be able to anything. And to be able to do anything. And we to do it. We are battling to do it. Well, im convinced that you mean what you say. Im less convinced that the government are actually going to do anything about it. I will continue to speak truth to power. Well, and no doubt youll become, you know, a regular in the guardian channel the guardian and on channel 4 news who will give very, news who will give you a very, very hard interesting very hard time. Interesting thoughts. Me, humza thoughts. Stay with me, humza yousaf. The first minister of yousaf. The first minister of scotland yesterday that up scotland said yesterday that up to Million People in gaza may to 1 Million People in gaza may have to be offered asylum status and making the point that scotland would be very happy to have funny isnt it . After have them. Funny isnt it . After the syrian war, saudi arabia wouldnt take a single migrant because they were worried about the egypt takes the terror threat. Egypt takes the terror threat. Egypt takes the same view and yet the political consensus here is that anyone that wants to come pretty much can. Well, i think that not from my perspective isnt. And my perspective it isnt. And i dont i dont think thats the perspective of colleagues either. No. Well, its the first minister of scotland, and that was what he was suggesting. And was what he was suggesting. And the iranian who brought the man, the iranian who brought 10,000 into 10,000 people illegally into britain was jailed in brussels today. Hes been given an 11 today. Hes been given an 11 year sentence. Hell serve half of that. Not exactly the life sentence promised to us by priti patel and other home secretaries, albeit that was in belgium. Im done. Lets have a look at the weather. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Storm babette arrives over the next 24 hours, bringing with it exceptional rainfall for eastern scotland in particular. Red warning has been issued. Heres babette for the rest of wednesday. Moving into central parts of the uk. Its been a wet day for southern areas, but that rains now moving into north wales, the midlands, Northern England and Northern Ireland overnight, especially heavy across Northern Ireland, with the risk of 30 to 50 or even 60mm by the end of the night. And so that could cause some disruption by dawn. Othennise its drying up a little towards the south. It stays blustery, it stays cloudy and as a result its going to be a mild start to thursday, but it is going to be an for many wet an unpleasant start for many wet and weather. Strong gusts and windy weather. Strong gusts of wind associated with storm babette, increasingly babette, but then increasingly wet and windy for central and northern scotland in particular with places 70 or even 80mph with in places 70 or even 80mph wind gusts. And that wind driving heavy and persisting rain into eastern scotland in particular. Angus and aberdeenshire seeing that rainfall really build up over the next 48 hours. Up until the weekend with in places 200 to 250mm of rainfall in 1 or 2 spots could see twice. Octobers spots could see twice. Octobers average rainfall fall in just a few days. That would cause serious amounts of flooding combined with strong winds. Thats why theres red warning. Stay up to date with forecasts and hello. Hello. Hello. Good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation. Tonight. The information war begins over who was behind the bombing of the al ahly hospital in gaza. The worlds press jumped to the conclusion that it was the israelis. But after the idf has denied any involvement and upon closer inspection of the evidence, it seems as if it were a faulty palestinian rocket. We will be assessing the evidence in detail. And as scenes in detail. And as scenes continue to unfold in israel, demonstrators stormed the israeli consulate in jordan while western embassies were also targeted in turkey, tunisia and lebanon, with rioting also breaking out in the west bank. Its been suggested by a tory mp that the uks support for israel could constitute complicity in war crimes, but will be refuting his claim in domestic news, it seems that the solution to broken britain could lie in the private sector a firm that has been dubbed britains first private is set to take a private police is set to take a suspected burglar to court after £500 of sirloin steak and 20 bottles of prosecco were taken from a marks and spencers. And from a marks and spencers. And while we dont advocate acts of civil disobedience here on state of the nation, and we also dont tend to praise the french too often an heroic french nun has seemingly taken matters into her own hands in tackling an eco protester who was trying to stop the building of a new chapel. All of this comes on top of a lunatic suggestion from the National Infrastructure commission we to commission that we ought to aboush commission that we ought to abolish entire domestic abolish our entire domestic gas grid. Nation starts grid. State of the nation starts now. Now. Ill be joined by a pugnacious panel this evening, the former editor of the sun. You know him well, kelvin mackenzie. And the author and academic lisa mckenzie. Are not mckenzie. Im told they are not related. As always, i want to related. As always, i want to hear from you. Its a crucial part