Of the nation, and we also dont tend to praise the french too often an heroic french nun has seemingly taken matters into her own hands in tackling an eco protester who was trying to stop the building of a new chapel. All of this comes on top of a lunatic suggestion from the National Infrastructure commission we to commission that we ought to aboush commission that we ought to abolish entire domestic abolish our entire domestic gas grid. Nation starts grid. State of the nation starts now. Now. Ill be joined by a pugnacious panel this evening, the former editor of the sun. You know him well, kelvin mackenzie. And the author and academic lisa mckenzie. Are not mckenzie. Im told they are not related. As always, i want to related. As always, i want to hear from you. Its a crucial part programme. Email me part of the programme. Email me mail. News. But now mail. Margaret gb news. But now its for of the its time for the news of the day with polly middlehurst. Jacob thank you and good evening to you. Well, the top story from the gp newsroom tonight is that the us president , joe biden, has been speaking in israel today hes announced an agreement to allow humanitarian aid to move from egyptin humanitarian aid to move from egypt in the south into gaza. He also confirmed 100 million worth of new us funding for that aid for gaza and for the west bank. President bidens visit to israel was meant to prevent an escalation of the conflict in the region. But after last nights bombing of the hospital in gaza, planned meetings with regional leaders have had to be cancelled. And later on in cancelled. And later on in a speech , he stressed the speech, he stressed the importance of living by the rule of law. Of law. You are a jewish state, but youre also a democracy. And youre also a democracy. And like the united states, you dont live by the rules of terrorist. You live by the rule terrorist. You live by the rule of law. For when conflicts of law. For when conflicts flare, you live by the law of wars. Whats sets us apart from the terrorists is we believe in the terrorists is we believe in the fundamental dignity of every human life. Israeli palestinian, arab , jew, muslim, christian, arab, jew, muslim, christian, everyone in it cant give up what makes you who you are. If what makes you who you are. If you give that up , then the you give that up, then the terrorists win and we can never let them win. Well let them win. Well well. The us president has also supported the Israeli Defence forces claims that the explosion at the hospital in gaza last night was caused by a failed rocket attack on israel by another terror Group Operating within gaza called the Palestinian Islamic jihad. Officials in gaza, however, are still blaming the israelis for the explosion, which they say killed nearly 500 people. Rishi sunak, speaking in clacton on sea earlier today, described the hospital explosion as shocking but appealed for calm heads as intelligence analysts establish exactly what happened. Now exactly what happened. Now hundreds of pro Palestine Protesters have gathered outside downing street tonight. Downing street tonight. Calling for justice. People are Holding Placards calling for an end to the massacre of civilians as the crowd also lit candles for the victims of last nights explosion at the hospital in gaza. Explosion at the hospital in gaza. Consumer news and milk, gaza. Consumer news and milk, cheese and egg prices fell last month, easing pressure at the supermarket tills. But fuel pnces supermarket tills. But fuel prices rose sharply. It comes as prices rose sharply. It comes as the uks overall inflation remained at 6. 7, despite expectations it would fall again. Thats according to the office for National Statistics. Oil prices are higher because of the war in ukraine and now events in israel and palestine have sparked further increase. Have sparked further increase. Liz and lastly, a red weather warning for rain has been issued by the met office for parts of scotland , it means very scotland, it means very dangerous weather is expected with extensive flooding likely to pose a risk to life. The weather warning runs from 6 pm. Tomorrow until noon on friday. Storm babette has already hit the republic of ireland with flooding. Weve seen in cork and along the devon coast. Its flooding. Weve seen in cork and along the devon coast. Its on its way in. This is gb news across the uk. On tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. News channel. Id like to begin this monologue with an apology. Last night while we were discussing us president joe bidens visit to israel, one of the headlines that appears as im talking said Iranian Regime calls israeli strike on gaza hospital a war crime. Like strike on gaza hospital a war crime. Like many of the strike on gaza hospital a war crime. Like many of the worlds crime. Like many of the worlds media, we were too hasty in assuming that the tragic strike on the Al Ahli Hospital was conducted potentially by the israelis. But it appears that this is wrong. The israelis have this is wrong. The israelis have responded saying it wasnt them. Here was us president joe biden, with israeli Prime Minister commenting on the matter earlier today. Today. Israel as they respond to these attacks , it seems to me these attacks, it seems to me that they have to continue to ensure that you have what you need to defend yourselves and were going to make sure that occurs. As you know , i was occurs. As you know, i was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion at the hospital in gaza yesterday. And based on what ive seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team , not not you. Team, not not you. An idf spokesman , rear an idf spokesman, rear admiral Daniel Hajari , said admiral Daniel Hajari, said roughly 450 hamas rockets intended to strike israel have fallen short and landed in gaza. Fallen short and landed in gaza. Heres a clip posted by the Israeli Government from israeli news channel 12, which appears to prove the point. To prove the point. You can show that you can see the rockets. This is the left left red stamp fire over the hospital, which is the right. Hospital, which is the right. And you can see the blast. So thatis and you can see the blast. So that is proof of the fact that it came from the gaza strip. The scope appears to show rockets fired from gaza over the area of the Al Ahli Hospital moments before it exploded. Before it exploded. Gb news has not been able to verify the footage independently. The idf spokesman also read out a translated transcript of an intercepted call between hamas terrorists, in which they discussed the failed which fell short. Failed rocket which fell short. The transcript implied the rocket was fired by another palestinian terror group, islamic jihad. Listen to this clip, which again , weve been clip, which again, weve been unable to verify independently. Unable to verify independently. We im telling you, this is the first time weve seen a missile like this falling. And so thats why we are saying it belongs to the Palestinian Islamic jihad. And what they are saying it belongs to the Palestinian Islamic jihad. Its from us. It looks like it, in my view. View. All the evidence indicates that the israelis are telling the truth. Earlier in the day, this is what i wanted to believe. I thought and hoped that israel, who is responding to such a wicked terrorist attack, was likely to be telling the truth. And i wanted that to be true. But as the day gone on, the evidence for israeli the evidence for the israeli position become stronger and position has become stronger and stronger. Paul beevor, a British Defence analyst, told the times that extensive satellite and mobile phone images showed the rocket responsible for the explosion on was ground launched. Not air launched, and experts can spot differences which allow them to see which it was. He went to on say the Israeli Air Force has been using precision guided bombs. Not precision guided bombs. Not dumb, unguided bombs on gaza. And these weapons dont generate a plume and anyway, the rocket was going the wrong way. So the laws of physics are on the israeli side and hamish de Bretton Gordon, a british weapons expert, said the israeli denials were plausible given the lack of a deep crater at the site of the explosion in an al jazeera, which is not particularly friendly towards the israelis, actually had a live stream which indicated that this rocket came from gaza. This rocket came from gaza. Equally important, the Democratic State cannot afford to be caught out telling lies and historically , israel has and historically, israel has been willing to admit mistakes when it has made them. Of when it has made them. Of course, its important to carry out a proper investigation. And out a proper investigation. And whilst thats happening , this whilst thats happening, this has unfortunately allowed hamas a short term propaganda coup. A short term propaganda coup. But as the facts are being established and they do seem to be showing that israel is clearly telling the truth, it will be shown that its hamas who no concern for the who has no concern for the people that it seeks to represent. And of course, i want represent. And of course, i want to hear from you. Let me know your thoughts via mail morgue at gbnews. Com. Joining me now is former military former senior military Intelligence Officer and chemical weapons expert philip ingram. Phil thank you very much for joining me. What is your understanding of the Science Behind where for the attack would have come from . Well, theres a number of different bits of science that are behind it, that Israeli Intelligence have used in trying to provide evidence to us. And then President Biden will have had that science and a little bit more into him. So as hamish de Bretton Gordon mentioned , de Bretton Gordon mentioned, there was the site of where the missile would have landed and the lack of a crater thats there that that and the crater shape and the explosion from that and the damage that there was to the surrounding cars and the surrounding buildings give anidea the surrounding buildings give an idea as the sort of explosion and the sort of warhead that was there. And we saw that cars were burned and they werent blasted out of the place. And we look at the sort of munitions that the israelis use and their plus israelis use and their £500 plus bombs , they would have turned bombs, they would have turned these cars over. They would have these cars over. They would have demolished walls inside the buildings, put pockmarks buildings, not put pockmarks from shrapnel and bits and pieces there. Weve seen pieces in there. Weve seen the Video Evidence that youve youve in. But that youve brought in. But that video can see the Video Evidence, we can see the explosion happening now. A lot explosion happening now. A lot of intelligence assets will have sensors focussed in in the area because of everything thats going on. And a lot of those sensors are looking for intelligence that falls into the bracket of whats called measurement. And signature intelligence. And one of the things to look at is the thermal signature. Now we know astronomers, whenever they look out into space, can tell how stars are made up, what chemicals are made up from, whether they are burning lots of hydrogen, whether theyve got lots of carbon in them. That lots of carbon in them. That same science is used in analysing the flames that come out from an explosion. And you out from an explosion. And you can tell whether its a rocket fuel or whether its a high explosive. You can almost identify exactly what Weapon System thats come from. And system thats come from. And thats just the start of the Science Analysis of what theyve been doing. Been doing. And if its a rocket fuel, then that means that it has come from hamas, because thats not the been the way israel has been delivering its munitions. Are delivering its munitions. Are you aware or do you think that the Security Services already know pretty conclusively , but know pretty conclusively, but its a question of releasing the information in in a way that doesnt reveal some of their techniques partially the israeli briefing that there was earlier today give give away a lot of detail, including radar imagery and this this is the other important thing. Important thing. You dont rely on a Single Source piece of information. You bnng source piece of information. You bring lots of different bits of information together and they build a picture and you its build up a picture and you its very, very rare. You can say very, very rare. You can say 100, especially in the fog of war. And nobodys going to believe something thats coming from one side or the other unless you can get some form of independent investigation and verification. But thats highly unlikely. You cant get people into gaza. The evidence will have been tampered with. And if we look at the last time, independent investigations went independent investigations went in look at Bashar Al Assads in to look at Bashar Al Assads use weapons inside use of chemical weapons inside syria, it took months to get people in. It took months to get the reports out and people still questioned them. So its bringing all of those different snippets of information together and picture. And and building that picture. And then you get the likes of President Biden, who will get then you get the likes of pre own it biden, who will get then you get the likes of pre own independent will get then you get the likes of pre own independent intelligence his own independent intelligence organisations looking at similar for collection methods and similar information , but similar information, but whispering to him what. The whispering to him what. The final outcome is. But thank you very much. Philip adds even more credibility to it. Thats really helpful and informative. Well, im now live well, im now joined live from tel aviv by colonel richard kemp. Richard again, thank you for this is difficult for joining me this is difficult for joining me this is difficult for the Israeli Government, isnt because can put isnt it, because hamas can put out , which in old out a lie, which in the old cliche , has gone around the cliche, has gone around the world before. The truth has put its on . How does israel its boots on . How does israel catch up in the information battle that is going. On battle that is going. On well, israel is always in difficulty here because there is so much of the world and ranged against israel even in when you look at the horrific events of the weekend before last, even that didnt really deflect many of the Media Organisations. And of the Media Organisations. And i exclude gb news from this, but many of the uk and other world Media Organisations that are institutionally biased against israel as well as organisation ones like the eu and the un and many of our universities. Many of our universities. Theres an inbuilt bias against israel. And so israel is israel. And so israel is constantly fighting an anti israel Propaganda Campaign and it another thing that really complicates israels position is that hamas can say whatever they want. No one questions what they say. A lot of the time and they dont have to justify it. Theyre not theyre not accountable to anybody, whereas as the idf cant just come out with things. And therefore, when you have a situation like the tragedy last night, the idf will not immediately say, no, it wasnt us. They will research it. They will check it. I think it. They will check it. I think it took them two hours before they suggested it may not have been them. And then about 12 hours or something before they were able to say for sure. But they have to be certain of their facts before say facts before they can say anything. In my experience, anything. And in my experience, ive been out here for pretty much every one of the gaza conflicts and other conflicts as well. In experience the well. In my experience at the idf. You said this yourself, idf. And you said this yourself, jacob, the idf will never say we didnt do it if they know or think they did or arent sure they didnt it. They will whenever theres been tragic incidents involving the deaths of civilians, either accidental or deliberate, in some cases , or deliberate, in some cases, the idf will say they did it and explain why they did it. But but nevertheless, irrespective of that, you know, the truth is, as you say, has put his hat on or whatever. And theres no changing peoples minds. Theres absolutely no changing peoples minds. Whatever idf do, they minds. Whatever the idf do, they have fight battle. But have to fight this battle. But but believe theyre but they i dont believe theyre ever going to win this particular battle. And its nonetheless very important because listening to because actually listening to news outlets this morning , the news outlets this morning, the two sides were reported as if they were of equal, trustworthy ness, whereas actually theres such a strong vested interest in hamas , always blaming the hamas, always blaming the israelis and as you say, the idf is very careful to ensure its got its facts right because its democratically accountable. Its accountable to the people of israel, but also so it follows the rule of law. In follows the rule of law. In indeedit follows the rule of law. In indeed it does. And it follows its scrupulously and from my observations, ive been out here since last monday and from my observations and everything the idf has done been within the idf has done has been within the laws of Armed Conflict and they take great efforts to do that. Take great efforts to do that. But this conflict and but both in this conflict and previously , that doesnt mean previously, that doesnt mean civilians get civilians arent going to get killed because unfortunately, civilians do killed. And civilians do get killed. And its hamass interest that its in hamass interest that civilians get killed. Hamas want their civilians to get killed. And one of the reasons or the main reason for that is because they want to they want to vilify they want to they want to vilify they to get israel they want to get israel vilified, delegitimize vilified, isolated, delegitimize , used in the eyes of the world. And so if a few of their civilians die or a lot of their civilians die or a lot of their civilians die, they really dont care theyre quite care about that. Theyre quite happy happen as long happy for that to happen as long as ends up the blame, the as it ends up in the blame, the finger of blame being pointed. Israel up in israel and israel ending up in the world opinion. And the dock of world opinion. And one other thing id say on that one other thing id say on that on that whole business of on that this whole business of disinformation as many Media Outlets i watched over the course of the time since this occurred , including uk media occurred, including uk Media Outlets excluding gb news did quote it as if it was some kind of authority. The Gaza Health Ministry with the figures they gave the Gaza Health Ministry, 500 800. The Gaza Health Minister three is not the nhs, its an organisation controlled by hamas and they will say whatever hamas want them to say and if they give casualty figures, they will say the total figures, they will say the total figures that they want to give, which is, you know, could be civilians killed. Theyll add to that military killed. Theyll add died of add to that someone who died of add to that someone who died of a attack or of old age or a heart attack or of old age or whatever. Its these these figures, theyre ever quoted, whatever. Its these these figurshouldieyre ever quoted, whatever. Its these these figurshould be re ever quoted, whatever. Its these these figurshould be quoted quoted, whatever. Its these these figurshould be quoted withzd, they should be quoted with extreme caution. Caution. They should be quoted with ext|but caution. Caution. They should be quoted with ext|but butjtion. Caution. They should be quoted with ext|but but do n. Caution. They should be quoted with ext|but but do youaution. They should be quoted with ext|but but do you think. They should be quoted with ext|but but do you think the but but do you think the Israeli Government is good enough to win the enough at trying to win the hearts and minds argument that it has suffered such a terrible and wicked tragedy and yet the reporting of it, ten days later is sympathetic to the terrorists . Is there more they can do to ensure that their propaganda , ensure that their propaganda, their own argument is heard more clearly and more loudly . And the truth more importantly . Well truth more importantly . Well theyre very conscious of that. Jacob. And they i know that they work hard at it, not just dunng they work hard at it, not just during the times of conflict, but in between times because they are i mean, ive described this anti Israel Campaign as the greatest slur campaign in the history of the world. And thats exactly what it is. It has huge traction all around the world. And its very difficult to dislodge people from it. And my view now of course, its important that israel does what it can to maintain in Public Opinion or to gain Public Opinion. But that above all, what theyve got to do now and focus on now is not that theyve got to focus on eliminating crushing and destroying hamas. Maybe turning their attention to hezbollah up in the north. Thats got to their thats got to be their ovennhelming priority now. They should about should do what they can about the people on site. But the keeping people on site. But the keeping people on site. But the priority for them is, as i just described , plus doing just described, plus doing everything they can to keep World Governments such as the uk government, which i think has been very supportive. And the us also supportive. Also has been very supportive. Thats key i for thats the key i think, for israel. Well thank you very much, colonel. Much, colonel. Dont forget to let me know your thoughts. Margaret your thoughts. Mel, margaret cbnnews. Com up next, in cbnnews. Com coming up next, in the wake of strike on the the wake of this strike on the al ahli western Al Ahli Hospital, western embassies have been targets of protests and civil unrest. Ill be speaking to lyn may on claims that uk may the uk could be that the uk may the uk could be complicit in israeli war crimes committed in gaza radio. Welcome back. Im still jacob welcome back. Im still jacob rees mogg, and this is still state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Yes. Lynn, do you know im not the only one utterly fed up with the sympathetic attention to noisy attention given to noisy protesters. Whoever are, we protesters. Whoever they are, we object. Dont waste protesters. Whoever they are, we object. Time dont waste protesters. Whoever they are, we object. Time showing waste protesters. Whoever they are, we object. Time showing offste tv police time showing off the tv cameras. Edward , surely the cameras. And edward, surely the forensics the type forensics like the type of propellant will the propellant, will be the equivalent fingerprint or equivalent of a fingerprint or dna and that will nail dna sample. And that will nail it. Edward, i think you are spot on. I think youve hit the nail on. I think youve hit the nail on the head in response to the strike at Al Ahli Hospital in gaza evening, gaza yesterday evening, demonstrators stormed the israeli in jordan israeli consulate in jordan while western embassies were targeted in turkey, tunisia and lebanon. Rioting also lebanon. With rioting also breaking west bank, breaking out in the west bank, turkish president recep erdogan accused western allies of adding fuel to the fire and overlooking israeli violations and aid blocking. And he questioned the blocking. And he questioned the intentions of the us in particular for its provision of an Aircraft Carrier to israel. This week, downing street rebuked claims from conservative mp crispin blunt, who claimed that uk could be complicit that the uk could be complicit in crimes committed in in war crimes being committed in gaza. In war crimes being committed in gaza. The allegations follow gaza. The allegations follow israels warning for the 1. 2 Million People living in the gaza strip to move to the south ahead of a ground invasion. Well, im now joined by lynn. Thank you very much for coming in. Thank thank you very much for coming in. Thank you for having me. Its always a pleasure. Israel its always a pleasure. Israel has the right to respond in a need to respond in self, doesnt it . Thats broadly Common Ground of commentators in the uk. Of commentators in the uk. Yeah, of course they have a right to defend itself. But at what point do we still see it as defending oneself if, say, for example , if i have had a fight example, if i have had a fight with you and ive punched you, you have a right to defend you . Of course not. But just as an example, and i punch you to beat you up, so to speak, only with my hands. And you go away and you get a gun and you get a knife and you come back to me. You now become the aggressor. Im not defending do you im not defending myself. Do you understand im coming understand where im coming from . So at which point israel now when people talk now has to see when people talk about what is proportional about what is a proportional response, a lot of response, we have seen a lot of people die. We have seen collective punishment be administered where thousands of people have to told move from where they are not have any water, not have any electricity and not have any food. Well, weve seen weve seen the largest massacre of jewish people purely for being jewish since the holocaust. They werent punched. They were shot at and they were burnt to death and babies were murdered. And holocaust survivor was kidnapped. Thats at the most serious end. Odd of attack, most serious end. Odd of attack, isnt it . And therefore, the attack in return, the defence in return is entitled to be strong. No. Well, i dont think its entitled for them to take the measures that theyre taking as we can see in international law, collective punishment is breaking international. There is not collective punishment, is there . Thats why israel has told civilians to move and has agreed with the americans to open up a corridor for relief, including for water, to ensure that there is water and food and medicine getting into gaza to the south. But theyve warned people to move so that they can go after the terrorists. Surely thats fair. When they were trying to move their was by their route was bombed by israel. Firstly secondly, only now are we hearing discussions of them being able to have food and water. And those corridors are now being opened up, but theres not much point of those corridors for humanitarian aid if there is no momentarily , you if there is no momentarily, you know, position for ceasefire. But if theyre still going to continue to bomb , yeah, then how continue to bomb, yeah, then how can you get that aid to millions of people . The israeli position is completely different. They have warned civilians to move away so that they can go after the terrorists. Yes. Surely its terrorists. Yes. Surely its fair to go after the terrorists. But then theres this discussion of the terrorists hiding amongst the civilians. So if thats the case, what would prevent the terrorists from then just moving along with them . And as i said, it was them . And as i said, it was unrealistic to expect, you know, the elderly , children, people in the elderly, children, people in hospital and sick to move only have 24 hours, which was partially extended. Theyve partially extended. Theyve extended 2,000,000 hours and theyve agreed to allow supplies to go in. But im glad youre willing to call hamas terrorists. Yeah, i have no issues with calling. I am totally unequipped calling. I am totally unequipped against anyone who targets civilians. But then what needs to happen is we need to call that out on both sides. But israels deliberately not targeting civilians. Thats the whole point. Thats the whole point of giving a warning. Its the point of allowing the whole point of allowing relief supplies in. Whereas hamas human hamas uses civilians as human shields. Hamas uses civilians as human shitlfis. Hamas uses civilians as human shi if you if you can see that if you if you can see that water initially, electricity and food was prevented from access for 2 Million People, would you not say thats collective punishment . Because essentially youre punishing 2 Million People with a majority are civilians and children. The history of collective punishment is when sabotage was committed to an occupying force. To an occupying force. And for every one of their soldiers killed, they killed ten civilians. Thats what collective punishment is about. Its not about saying that in preparation for an invasion, we are taking away the ability of the enemy to fight. Thats just a normal preparation for invasion. But if we are to see that to million civilians can be affected, that is the collective punishment element. No. Do you not agree . No. Do you not agree . No, i wouldnt, because the terrorists are in gaza. The terrorists are in gaza. The terrorists need to be removed. The israelis are doing everything they can to minimise these civilian casualties and warning civilians. They are doing everything that they can. Though if we look at lets look at a different, different war crime here. Geneva, article eight stipulates if you bomb places of worship, it is breaking international law. Therefore is a war crime. Israel has admitted to bombing mosques. Has admitted to bombing mosques. What would you say about that war crime when you are selecting targets . It depends whats going on in that target that people use all sorts of buildings as cover. But sorts of buildings as cover. But youre basically saying israel shouldnt do anything. What are they allowed to do, in your view . Do they just have to put up with 2000 people being killed, 200 hostages being taken . Of course not. But what we have to look at is the proportion of what them defending themselves is. And i think now we have seen a lot of casualties. You look at casualties. If you even look at decades of Palestinian People dying , according to the un, far dying, according to the un, far more Palestinian Civilians have actually died, more than israelis. Now, i dont want to see anyone die, but the reality is what theyve done so far is proportionate. Would you not proportionate. Would you not agree when looking at the civilian casualties, israel withdrew from gaza to allow it to be run as an independent state, and hamas has then run gaza terrorist to state gaza as a terrorist to state attack israel. Yeah , it is not surprising yeah, it is not surprising that therefore its been a very difficult place to live when its run as a terrorist state of course its a difficult place to live this why i dont live and this is why i dont understand people say, understand when people say, well, they out or well, why cant they vote out or stand to hamas . Stand up to hamas . You are living on but when you are living on aid and when are in an open aid and when you are in an open air prison, when you havent had the opportunity, but this is what hamas 2006, this the what hamas 2006, this is the policy to ensure that policy of hamas to ensure that the people of palestine, People Living kept living in gaza, are kept impoverished makes it impoverished because it makes it easier hamas out easier for hamas to carry out its terrorist but we keep its terrorist acts. But we keep on about, you know, on talking about, you know, targeting. Ive seen targeting hamas. Ive not seen obviously, to good question obviously, its to good question media, ive seen any, media, but ive not seen any, you know, specific targeted and, you know, specific targeted and, you know, specific targeted and, you know, points of where theyre actually getting hamas. Im seeing loads of visuals of children being killed. So at what point do you think that enoughis what point do you think that enough is enough where children are dying , enough is enough where children are dying, visibly dying at enough is enough where children are dying , visibly dying at the are dying, visibly dying at the hands of, you know, these sorts of actions by israel . Where do we stop . We stop . Israel has very sensibly warned people to move so it can go after the terrorists. Thats the whole point of its policy. Israel actively does not want to kill children, whereas hamas actively went in and butchered babies. Babies. So im asking. That is the difference. Im asking you, at what do you actually say what point do you actually say at what point . Because i dont think if we look at israel historically, to win historically, israel has to win that the winning means has to be defeated. War means defeated. Winning in war means a complete external domination of the. And you think that the fighters. And you think that can happen . Of the fighters, but you have to protect the civilian population. How are they going to target israel trying to we are israel is trying to we are unfortunately but unfortunately out of time, but we this we must continue this conversation. Very conversation. Thank you very much, lynn. Coming up next, could broken woes be could broken britains woes be solved private sector . Solved by the private sector . Yes, of course. Plus, a wonderful, heroic french nun has taken on the net zero mob single handedly won. And if god is with us, be radio. Well , come back, radio. Well, come back, our man, jacob rees mogg. And youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Sharon says, as i just want to say, what a great interview with colonel richard kemp. Such rarity to kemp. Its such a rarity to actually speak actually hear someone speak favourably about favourably and truthfully about israel. Im saddened israel. And brian, im saddened and appalled at so many in favour of terrorism rather than the well today the the victims. Well today the Office NationalStatistics Office for National Statistics announced that the uk inflation rate had held steady at 6. 7 for the last month as the rising food and drink prices eased back , analysts predicted inflation would fall to 6. 6 for the month of september. But despite petrol of september. But despite petrol and diesel prices rising, the Silver Lining is the reduction in prices for food and drink. For the first time in two years, as much anticipated relief for many households. The Institute Many households. The institute for Economic Affairs today commented on septembers Consumer Price index, saying that despite disappointing that despite the disappointing inflation data september, inflation data for september, the bank of england should now be about cutting be thinking about cutting interest raising them interest rates, not raising them again. Well, im joined now by again. Well, im joined now by the editor of the sun, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the author and mackenzie. And academic lisa mackenzie. Theyre not any theyre not only not any relation, are spelt relation, their names are spelt slightly differently. So slightly differently. So reasonably good economic news, slightly Encouraging Bank of england should cut rates. Lets be honest about it. 6. 7 lets be honest about it. 6. 7 is totally unacceptable. Label. Is totally unacceptable. Label. However for the prediction is that it would literally fall by about 1. 31. 4 next month as the energy price cuts come into it. But these are these are shocking numbers at and food prices remain in very you know theyre going down but thats what most people judge inflation by. What doesit people judge inflation by. What does it cost you to feed your family now when we give away literally billions of pounds in a lockdown to sit on our fat backsides doing nothing for 18 months, what do you expect when inflation an so boris should Say Something about this, right . Because he was when you read now whats being the evidence thats being given his mrs. Was basically running our lockdown policy absolutely shocking i think thats absolute nonsense lisa what well im from a part of the country that is really struggling. Im from the east midlands. Im from a nottinghamshire and id even though this is dropping , people are still really, really struggling up there. And i think theyre actually probably more hard up this year than they were even last year. I think last year they were holding on desperately and holding on so desperately and its a year and things its taken a year and things like petrol prices are still going up. You know, theyre going up. You know, theyre going up. You know, theyre going up. You know, theyre going up for one of the very good reasons that that that that jacob just had an interview. Jacob just had an interview. I mean, there is a war going on in the middle east and thats where the oil is. But the thing is, is people are still struggling. They are still struggling and people and i can tell you now from where i live in nottinghamshire, live up in nottinghamshire, people frightened people are quite frightened about the heating on again. That true, by yeah, but that is true, by the thatis yeah, but that is true, by the that is not only true the way. That is not only true of nottingham, is true of of nottingham, that is true of the it true of the south. It is true of everywhere. Everybody is making an actually cut down an effort to actually cut down the amount of energy they use. And honestly , it is in some and honestly, it is cold in some houses , including mine. Yes houses, including mine. Yes including mine actually , because including mine actually, because everybody is making an effort and thats why theyre not. Are i mean, they of course theyre making an effort. No, nobody wants to not pay their bills. Actually thats, you know, this idea that people dont pay is not true. Theyre really they do everything to so they can. But i think you made the fundamental point actually fundamental point that actually inflation so inflation has lag effects. So when hits, people spend when it first hits, people spend a out of their savings or a little out of their savings or they cut back a bit. But in the second year, youve got the cumulative effect, and thats very for people. Cumulative effect, and thats verjand for people. Cumulative effect, and thats verjand then people. Cumulative effect, and thats verjand then andyle. Cumulative effect, and thats verjand then and what do you cut and then and what do you cut back because perhaps youve back on . Because perhaps youve cut mean, i know last cut back on i mean, i know last year were back on year people were cutting back on sort takeaways or meals out sort of takeaways or meals out or cinema or whatever, or cinema tickets or whatever, but this is nothing. But this year this is nothing. I say about that . Can can i say about that . Can i just say about that . Id like to believe that was true in my in my street. The thing my main high street. The thing that you see above all else is delivering, but you live in one of the richest areas of the country. So thats whats like youre not attacking me for that. Im not. Im not. No youre not. Youre not. But i just want i want to move on because theres another very interesting story is the Publics Trust in police Publics Trust in the Police Forces ability investigate forces ability to investigate and level crimes and handle low level crimes continues wane. People continues to wane. People are taking own taking matters into their own hands. Taking matters into their own hands. Dubbed britains first hands. Dubbed britains first private police force, the company , tmi, was called in company, tmi, was called in after £500 worth of sirloin steak and 20 bottles of prosecco were taken from marks and spencen were taken from marks and spencer. As a result of this, for the first time, a suspected burglar has to be taken to court after the group comprised of former Scotland Yard detectives, identified the alleged suspect from cctv footage after he mounted an overnight raid on the food store. Tmi employs 100 bobbies who wear police style uniforms and 28 plain clothes detectives who mingle with shoppers. The firm even has its own legal department, which has already successfully prosecuted 280 shoplifters. Well, kelvin , i 280 shoplifters. Well, kelvin, i know youve got views on on this, but this is good news, isnt it . The shops standing up for themselves. Its absolutely great news. And im sure there are people not far from me on this sofa who will say this is the poor who are having to eat. Im not going to say that at all. They are criminals and they should. And what has happened . Well, im going to go to any supermarket. You go to any supermarket and talk to the employee employees. They are scared. Well, why dont we let lisa speak for herself . Speak for herself . Im going to say, is that what this shows actually the what this shows is actually the social totally social contract is totally broken weve broken down, that weve got to have private force for have a private police force for people can afford one. And people who can afford one. And i mean , you know, i hold on mean, you know, i hold on tescos i mean arent just tescos i mean arentjust anybody but what im saying is if we are going down the route where you can opt out of the education system, you can pay private, you can opt out of the health care system, you can pay for that and then, but, but the only think its quite sinister that you might be able to opt out of the Justice System and employ a private police force to protect or to fight for your protect you or to fight for your justice, because that means theres a lot of people whos not going to get that justice. Its a different argument, isnt it, that the police have to devote their resources according to overall interest according to an overall interest and may have to police and they may have to Police Protests and they may have other calls upon their time, whereas you can focus your resources on protecting your own assets and the person whos stealing £500 worth of steaks and prosecco is not stealing to feed his family , not stealing to feed his family, is he . Hes a. But what about the people who live in. And listen, |, people who live in. And listen, i, i in working class in a i, i live in working class in a working class community. We are blighted with as well. We blighted with crime as well. We have got lots you know, people are burgling. There is antisocial behaviour. So there is no there is no difference between being poor and being burgled and being well, police dont come, but super markets doing it. But supermarkets doing its helpful for all sections of society because it keeps prices down. The supermarket you could do now is if weve got a private police force you can pay them and thats i think thats a fundamental lack of very very only the magnificently wealthy could even contemplate doing that. The ordinary the ordinary middle class, working class people, nobody is actually going to start funding their own security. But tescos sainsburys , its in their sainsburys, its in their commercial interests to make sure that people know that if they steal stuff, theyre going to face when what when you know, you might want to do that, you might think, oh well, somebody, somebody i dont know, stolen your bike, but supermarkets doing its massively in interest of consumers because when £500 of consumers because when £500 of steak is stolen , then you of steak is stolen, then you have to pay for that. The next time you go to a supermarket and buy things. What do so this saves do you think . So this saves everybody money. You think its a good do you think its a good thing to have a private police force . I worry the police not i worry about the police not doing what theyre supposed to. I dont understand why policing isnt has changed. I think if crime has changed. I think if we senior officer here, we had the senior officer here, he crime changed he would say crime has changed out recognition, the out of all recognition, the onune out of all recognition, the online world has opened up a new criminal avenue, of which everybody in the country appears to be going down it through fraud or various other various other tricks. They havent got other tricks. They havent got enough officers. Perhaps theyve enough officers. Perhaps theyve never had them right now, with an exploding population in in our country and with increasing crime through tech, im afraid we would probably have to treble the size of our Police Forces. It worries me. Just it worries me. Well, thank you to my panel. Coming up next, well be discussing the heroic french nun on the frontline fighting against the net zero hooligans. A wants get a new report also wants to get rid of all gas by 2050. Gas rid of all gas by 2050. All gas and gaiters welcome back. I remain jacob rees mogg. And youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Now, this is a wonderful one from daniel, which ihope wonderful one from daniel, which i hope were putting up on the screen. Hi there. My daughter loves watching news with us loves watching gb news with us and has been desperate to email you well, that is you this picture. Well, that is such if such a flattering picture. If only i was as good looking as that. So thank you very much to your daughter, daniel and karen says, agree both says, i agree with both mackenzies. One going to mackenzies. No one is going to pay mackenzies. No one is going to pay this, but proof pay for this, but it is proof that our society is broken. An now in france, you now yesterday in france, you know, i like talking about the catholic church. A catholic nun runs be tackled, an environmental protester to the ground the midst a long ground in the midst of a long running between locals and running feud between locals and green campaigners. The protest occurred as the activists were trying block the construction trying to block the construction of a chapel in Residential Centre family. Centre by their family. Missionnaire de notre dame , the missionnaire de notre dame, the missionary family of our lady in the southern ardeche department. The southern ardeche department. Presuming, like me, you cant quite believe what youve just heard. Fact have the heard. We do, in fact have the video. God save you Video Evidence. God save you. Well , the nuns formed a human well, the nuns formed a human chain around a digger to stop protesters locking themselves onto it as they had done during the previous last week. The previous incident last week. Certain similarity there is a certain similarity to who challenged just to those who challenged just stop in london earlier this stop oil in london earlier this yean stop oil in london earlier this year. Public is up with year. The public is fed up with these gooders and have these pseudo do gooders and have been endurance. Been provoked beyond endurance. Us. Now this comes as today the Prime Minister has been warned by chairman of the national by the chairman of the National Infrastructure commission that britain must abolish britains gas if we want to gas grid by 2050. If we want to reach net zero. But thats not all. Apparently we must have a ban on all gas boilers by 2035. And you billions in grants for heat pumps. Well, lisa, youre an anarchist. I am. Doesnt catholic nuns are usually very well ordered. But wasnt it amazing to see her wearing her wimple and proper nuns dress . Just go for it. Just go for it. What . She was. She. She could probably be in the womens rugby team. I think with that. Probably be in the womens rugby team. I think with that. But i team. I think with that. But i think thats a good its a really interesting , i suppose, really interesting, i suppose, scenario where the activists come in to communities. Theyre not from there and they actually really start annoying the people who live there and they dont get onside with the community. And i think if, you know, if the catholic nuns are sort of rising up, we must be in sort of heavy revolution. Revolution. Yeah, well, i dont know i dont think you mess with catholic nuns, do you . Too easily. I in fact, i dont know any catholic nuns. So i was amazed to see that thats what they can get up to. But what is interesting is that she probably represent its a much wider, wider area , uh, than than when wider area, uh, than than when you look at a nun, you think, oh, lovely. Oh, dear. Or what . What a waste of a life or whatever you think. Right . But then you see that and you think, oh, actually do you think that what a waste of a life . I do, actually. I know. I did go. I know. I did go. I know. I did go. I feel like that about monks as well. I went recently to the tyburn convent and the nuns. There are just wonderful and they are such strong minded, devoted ladies. Im huge admirer of nuns. Strong minded, devoted ladies. Im huge admirer of nuns. Im im a huge admirer of nuns. Im on the other side for me on this, calvin but isnt there something about the environmental protests and this ties the national ties in with the National Infrastructure committee saying we should spend billions on heat pumps . Talking about £6 pumps . Theyre talking about £6 billion year and then forcing billion a year and then forcing the cut off of gas by 2050. I mean, if people were talking mean, if people you were talking about earlier in the east midlands who are finding life tough and expensive, this midlands who are finding life tojustand expensive, this midlands who are finding life tojust ridiculous sive, this midlands who are finding life tojust ridiculous. Ve, this is just ridiculous. Its like a pie in the sky idea. Thats what it would be to people got people. I mean, weve got millions of people who no millions of people who have no control over the housing that they live in because they are either renting from private landlords or theyre renting from the council or or theyve got no home at all. And weve got no home at all. And weve got millions of people in the country that have do not have millions. We do no home at all . We do no home at all . No, we have millions of people who have no safe, secure, affordable housing. But weve also they have no control. You cant you know, you cant say to them, you need a heat pump. Thats no. Well, weve got 11 million houses that out of 29 million that are unsuitable for heat pumps. Yes look, its a massive issue, a financial issue. And every single government going fonnard will be pushing it very firmly down the road. But the firmly down the road. But the idea of turning round ordinary people and saying its 15,000, okay, thats what you say. And i think that would be sensible. What were doing in parliament today. We were voting through this ridiculous energy bill all this stuff bill which makes all this stuff law, it easier to enforce law, makes it easier to enforce almost compulsory issues. Almost compulsory labour issues. Is this that we are taking gas from people who are not our friends. So take qatar today, qatar sends nearly £500 million a year to hamas and they fund those terrorists from me about are we have to come to a point where we are energy sufficient. Where we are energy sufficient. So thats fracking so that is fracking. The only way to do that is and also the north sea. So i, i come from a mining community, a mining family. My dad, grandad, great grandad, great great granddad were miners. We know about energy and its a shame that people who live in those communities now are frightened to put the heating because are cold heating on because they are cold and the energy that weve got is not affordable for them. But not affordable for them. But also when these ideas come out, about £15,000, heat pump, how can people even start to imagine that . Thats what are they going to do . It is not. It is. It is simply not going to happen. And its also not going to happen. It may happen, for instance, for instance, if you want to get you know, youve got a car, electric car, and you live in certain kind of flat live in a certain kind of flat or housing association, by the way, there is no way that youre going be able even the going to be able to even the electric car. Right. Right. Until we get shell and bp , until we get shell and bp, who are prepared to turn their garages. Right. I cut their own throats into into into electric electric charging points. We havent got enough. Havent got enough. Whos got 25 grand for an electric car though . The cost of an electric car and then the time it takes to charge up if youre trying to do a journey and complete it and get home, its completely impractical. So, look, youre the politician. Yeah. What on earth weve got socialism coming up. Imagine thats to be like. This is the bit that completely puzzles me why the politicians ing what people politicians back ing what people want make lives easier want to make their lives easier and energy is at the heart and cheap energy is at the heart of within your of Economic Growth within your own party. Got hasnt got a set hasnt got hasnt got a set view about this. Well , rishi. View about this. Well, rishi. Rishi said the right thing ten days ago or 20. He did. And that was an improvement. I mean, about that sort of how bill in housing that that are more sustainable. Are more sustainable. Thats a thought anyway thank you to my panel. Sorry to cut liz off short. You to my panel. Sorry to cut liz off short. Now one final thing that may amuse you. Some of you may have noticed that an ancient bylaw has taken effect in the of the repair of the in the case of the repair of the millennium bridge over the thames. A bail of hay has been hung from the bridge in what seems to be a quirky tradition. Seems to be a quirky tradition. But in fact, like many of our traditions, serves an important purpose. Of hay signals purpose. The bale of hay signals to that the to oncoming ships that the headroom has been significantly reduced owing to the repair works. But britain we works. But in britain we have all of weird wonderful all sorts of weird and wonderful laws which ought to never be repealed. Example, the fact repealed. For example, the fact that its illegal be drunk in that its illegal to be drunk in a pub according licensing a pub according to the licensing act its illegal to act of 1872, its illegal to gamble a library. According gamble in a library. According to act of to the Library Offences act of 1898 favourite, to 1898 and my favourite, to according the salmon act 1986. Quite recent. Its illegal quite recent. Its illegal to handle salmon suspiciously, so you careful. Dont handle you be careful. Dont handle your salmon smoked or unsmoked wild or farmed suspiciously. And thats all from me up next, its Patrick Christys patrick, what have you got in store this evening . Some dangerous salmon in. No. It should be illegal to serve of content im serve the kind of content im about to 9 to 11, thats for sure. Jacob but we are going to be at whats going on be looking at whats going on around well. Around europe as well. Im asking whether our asking whether or not our liberal politicians have actually less safe on actually made us less safe on the streets. This is in light of a series of islamist incidents that taking nigel that are taking place. Nigel farage to farage joins me. Hes going to be talking whether or not be talking about whether or not joe leading towards joe biden is leading us towards world did you see him world war iii. Did you see him today . Its a hard watch for sleepy joe, isnt it . Im going to the clash as well. To be having the clash as well. Lee joins me and a lee anderson joins me and a trans gender fencer is under the microscope well. All to microscope as well. Its all to play microscope as well. Its all to play tonight, jacob, to play for tonight, jacob, 9 to 11. 11. M 11. Sounds extremely oh, that sounds extremely feisty exciting stuff. And feisty and exciting stuff. And the great anderson is always the great lee anderson is always worth as long worth listening to as long as our nigel. Thats all coming our own nigel. Thats all coming up after the weather. Ill be back tomorrow at 8 00. Im jacob rees mogg. This has been state of the nation and there may be stories a storm going round, stories of a storm going round, but somerset will do but im sure somerset will do very regardless hi there. Very well regardless. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Storm babette arrives over the next 24 hours, bringing with it exceptional rainfall for eastern scotland in particular. Red warning has been issued. Heres babette for the rest of wednesday. Moving into central parts of the uk. Its been a wet day for southern areas, but that rains now moving into north wales and the midlands, Northern England and Northern Ireland overnight. Especially heavy across Northern Ireland, with the risk of 30 to 50 or even 60mm by the end of the night. And so that could cause some disruption by dawn. Othennise disruption by dawn. Othennise its up a little towards its drying up a little towards the south. It stays blustery, it stays cloudy a result stays cloudy and as a result its going to be a mild start to thursday. But it going to be thursday. But it is going to be an unpleasant start for many wet and windy weather. Strong gusts of with storm of wind associated with storm babette, then increasingly babette, but then increasingly wet windy for central and wet and windy for central and northern scotland particular northern scotland in particular with places 70 or even 80mph with in places 70 or even 80mph wind gusts. And that wind driving heavy and persistent rain into eastern scotland in particular, angus and aberdeenshire seeing that rainfall really build up over the next 48 hours up until the weekend with in places 200 to 250mm of rainfall in 1 or 2 spots could see twice. Octobers spots could see twice. Octobers average rainfall fall in just a few days. That would cause serious amounts of flooding combined with strong winds. Thats why theres a red warning. Stay up to date with forecasts its 9 00. Im Patrick Christys and this is gb news. Tonight and after 500 people were sadly killed in a hospital blast in gaza. The leader of the blast in gaza. The leader of the free world, joe biden , arrived free world, joe biden, arrived in tel aviv today to pledge his support for israel explosion at the hospital in gaza yesterday. The hospital in gaza yesterday. And based on what ive seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team. By the other team. Oh, great. But is the doddery president capable of handling this crisis or could he drive us to World War Three . Nigel farage is on the way with his blistering analysis. Meanwhile, the head of m15 has warned the hamas attacks could inspire similar atrocities in the uk. Just 24 hours after two swedish football fans were killed by an isis terrorist. In my monologue. Next, ill warn about the rise of islamist terror in europe. Then well get the views of my leading pundits. Tonight, i am joined by christine hamilton. Ive got adam brooks and ive got matthew laterza as well. What a panel. Top team plus as rishi sunak is asked if hell commit to creating a ukraine style scheme, are Palestinian Refugees britains responsibility . Henry bolton and responsibility . Henry bolton and dr. Shoaib khan will debate that in a fiery clash. And after