Was tasered by the police. Was tasered by the police. Should there be able to taser minors . Yes or no . You tell me. Minors . Yes or no . You tell me. Ive got it all to come with. Richard tice richard tice and atal hatwell. But first lets cross to Polly Middlehurst for the latest news headlines. The latest news headlines. Michelle, thank you and good evening. Well, the us President Joe Biden has been speaking in israel today where hes announced an agreement to allow humanitarian aid to move from egypt into gaza. He also confirmed. 100 million of new confirmed. 100 million of new us funding for that aid into gaza and the west bank. President bidens visit to israel was meant to prevent an escalation of the conflict in the region. But after last nights bombing of a hospital in gaza planned meetings with regional leaders have had to be cancelled. Although mr biden has been meeting with israels leader, Benjamin Netanyahu. Well later in a speech, he stressed the importance of living by the rule of law. Rule of law. You are a jewish state, but youre also a democracy. And youre also a democracy. And like the United States , you like the United States, you dont live by the rules of terrorist. You live by the rule terrorist. You live by the rule of law. For when conflicts of law. For when conflicts flare, you live by the law of wars. Whats sets us apart from the terrorists is we believe in the terrorists is we believe in the fundamental dignity of every human life. Israeli palestinian, human life. Israeli palestinian, arab , jew, muslim, christian, arab, jew, muslim, christian, everyone in it cant give up what makes you who you are. If what makes you who you are. If you give that up , then the you give that up, then the terrorists win and we can never let them win. Well the us let them win. Well the us president also supported the Israeli Defence forces claims that the explosion last night at the hospital in gaza was caused by a failed rocket attack on israel by another terror Group Operating in gaza. Operating in gaza. Thats the Palestinian Islamic jihad and officials in gaza. However are still blaming the israelis for the explosion , the israelis for the explosion, which they say killed nearly 500 people on a visit to clacton on sea in essex earlier on today, rishi sunak described the hospital explosion as shocking but called for calm heads as intelligence analysts establish exactly what happened. Its important in this instance not to jump to conclusions. We have to establish the facts and premature speculation , facts and premature speculation, i think would be wrong. And thats not the right thing. This is a very heightened, sensitive situation. So we just need calm heads, our Intelligence Services are through evidence are working through the evidence themselves. I met with the chair of the joint Intelligence Committee and my National Security morning. Security adviser this morning. We independently , we are working independently, but with allies to but also with allies to establish and establish what has happened. And in meantime , doing in the meantime, doing everything to bring everything we can to bring humanitarian support into the region. Region. Meanwhile, at least seven british been british nationals have been killed and nine are still missing since hamas terror attack on israel on october the seventh. Thats according to downing street. Meanwhile, explosions were seen within the last couple of hours on the northern Israeli Border with lebanon, where there have been exchanges of fire over the last few days between the idf and hezbollah. Clashes between hezbollah. Clashes between israel and hezbollah have been the deadliest since 2006. Well, the deadliest since 2006. Well, the news here at home, the rate of inflation remained at 6. 7 last month as lowering food and dnnk last month as lowering food and drink prices rises , rather, were drink prices rises, rather, were cancelled out by higher petrol and diesel prices. The office and diesel prices. The office for National Statistics saying inflation stayed at the same rate, despite expectations it may fall. The reading is significant because it helps Government Departments calculate how much benefit payments should increase by next year, as well as having an effect on tax. Now as having an effect on tax. Now ten current and former Police Officers and staff are being investigated by a Police Watchdog for their handling of allegations against the serial rapist. David carrick the 48 year old was jailed for life with a minimum term to serve of 32 years after carrying out what the court heard was a qatar log of violent and brutal. Sex of violent and brutal. Sex attacks between 2003 and 2020, and a man who abducted a young girl as she walked home from school in the Scottish Borders and then sexually assaulted her as been jailed for 20 years. The high court in edinburgh heard Andrew Miller , who also wanted Andrew Miller, who also wanted to be known as amy george, was dressed as a woman when he offered the little girl a lift. In february this year, the 53 year old instead drove her to his home where he sexually abused her for 27 hours before she escaped. Now the climate she escaped. Now the climate activist Greta Thunberg has been charged with a public order offence after her arrest during a fossil free london protest yesterday. The 20 year old is accused of breaching a section 14 order put in place outside a hotel in Central London where Oil Executives were meeting. 27 protesters were arrested. 26 protesters were arrested. 26 were charged. Greta thunberg now has been released on bail. Has been released on bail. Shell be back on trial on the 15th of november. And a red weather warning for rain and wind has been issued by the met office for parts of scotland. It means very dangerous weather is expected with extensive flooding likely to pose a risk to life. Likely to pose a risk to life. The weather warning runs from 6 00 tomorrow until noon on friday, although storm barbette has already hit the republic of ireland, some flooding in cork we see online and along the devon coast keeping an eye on that one for you. With gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. Thanks for that news channel. Thanks for that polly and Michelle Dewberry and was delighted when i was listening to that headline broadcast. Then when i heard that story about the man finally being referred to as the man , andrew referred to as the man, Andrew Miller, as opposed to woman. Miller, as opposed to a woman. Amy once , it seems amy george. For once, it seems that common sense is finally prevailing. That must have been every Single Parents nightmare. And i really hope that that young victim, that little young female victim, that little girl and recovering as girl is okay and recovering as much as she possibly will be able to. Anyway, i am Michelle Dewberry and im with you till seven. Alongside me right through. Then. Leader of through. Until then. Leader of the reform party, richard tice and editor of labour uncut, atal hatwell. Good evening, gents. Hatwell. Good evening, gents. Coleman good evening. I confess , coleman good evening. I confess, ladies and gents at home, it is very hot in studio , isnt it . The debate gets going. Weve not even uttered a sentence yet and i can tell you it is getting hot in here. Oh, were going to end the night out where i just said its the end of the night with a suntan. I think you get, you know, the drill, dont you . On this show, you can get in touch with us all the usual ways. Gb views. Our gbnews. Com is how you can email me or you can tweet me, course, at gb news. Me, of course, at gb news. Packed tonight. Of packed show for you tonight. Of course, a second, ill be course, in a second, ill be crossing bringing crossing over and bringing ourselves up to speed with the latest goings on in israel, but also well, lots about also as well, lots to talk about of goings this country of the goings on in this country as s0 of the goings on in this country as so dont go anywhere. As well. So dont go anywhere. But i shall start there. Lets but i shall start there. Lets cross, shall we live over to israel. Reporter there, israel. Our reporter there, charlie peters. Can you bring us up to speed, charlie, with the goings on . Well , joe biden arrived today well, joe biden arrived today and probably the most tense atmosphere, the middle east has beenin atmosphere, the middle east has been in for several years after last nights explosion at a Christian Hospital in gaza city where hamas claimed that an israeli airstrike had killed 500 people. However this morning, the Israeli Defence force set out their intelligence on the situation and said that the palestine and Islamic Jihad were to blame. They released both intelligence from imagery and also signals intelligence and footage from the ground to show that the devastation in their mind was not as close as what hamas had claimed last night. The 500 dead death toll has yet to be verified, but as President Joe Biden landed in tel aviv, he had two missions one to reaffirm his support to israel during this time of war, the worst violence the country has seen for 50 years, but also to temper that support for the destruction of hamas with a humanity. Korean diplomacy. This afternoon he achieved that mission in one part, at least with the opening of humanitarian convoys from the egyptian side into the gaza strip. This was a key mission for us secretary of state antony blinken, who demanded it, demanded it last week but could not achieve it. There is now a humanitarian safe zone on the coast in the south west of the strip and we expect those first convoys will be allowed to cross the rafah crossing into gaza. So thats a Significant Development for bidens washington diplomacy in the region. But there are also failures after last nights reported israeli airstrikes since challenged by Us Intelligence and the israeli side, the whole of the arab region has reacted very negatively to both the israelis and the americans. There have and the americans. There have been widespread protests across the region here in amman , in the region here in amman, in jordan, people were chanting , we jordan, people were chanting, we stand by hamas and in ramallah, in the west bank, we also saw a significant uprising as tensions flared in the north of the country. There was also a return of the skirmishes and violence that weve seen over the last week with missiles fired in from southern lebanon by Lebanese Hezbollah and the idf responding with artillery and gunfire of their own. So President Biden left with the message that what he wants above all else is peace. But as he left tel aviv tonight, rockets flew in from the gaza strip over us, intercepted by iron dome. It appears that that demand and that expectation for joe biden will have to wait for some time. Charlie peters , thank you for charlie peters, thank you for bringing us up to speed. And as bringing us up to speed. And as always, do stay safe. Now, there have been rumours that, of course, weve had biden there today. Theres been rumours now today. Theres been rumours now that rishi sunak is planning and preparing for a visit over to israel in the coming days, which has me ask tonight a simple has made me ask tonight a simple question to all your ladies and gents at home and of course, to my panel. What should britains role be in all of this . So role be in all of this . So i would like your thoughts on that. But now, richard, that. But for now, richard, whats thoughts . Whats your thoughts . I dont i think diplomacy i dont think should be sending think we should be sending military equipment, but i think we whatever extra we can use whatever extra diplomatic expertise and persuasion in that we can over and above the americans. And there may be just different ways that we can try and in a sense, just reduce the extreme tension, the extreme difficulties. We all the extreme difficulties. We all know that propaganda is such a key part of these wars , and its key part of these wars, and its very easy to jump in on either side or the other with the various claims. We have to be very careful about that. And i suspect actually, just from a practical point of view for the israelis, just dealing with these high profile visits, the president of the us, possibly the Prime Minister of uk , the Prime Minister of the uk, ursula von der leyen, i mean, it must be a nightmare just dealing with all these. Well, actually, youre the middle a war. Youre in the middle of a war. Youre trying to defend your people. Yeah, and i think it was olaf scholz well, when he was scholz as well, when he was preparing on tuesday, preparing to leave on tuesday, they his plane they had to evacuate his plane because of rocket rocket attacks and stuff. Let me ask you this, though, apparently we though, because apparently we have directed military have already directed military assets over to eastern assets over to the eastern mediterranean. So just to give you some idea, the military package includes pa aircraft surveillance assets, two Royal Navy Ships , three merlin navy ships, three merlin helicopters , and apparently helicopters, and apparently a company of royal marines. The suggestion here is that this is all about offering deterrence and assurance. But thats a difference to actually providing military equipment on the ground, which is, of course, what weve done with ukraine. I mean, that list. Do you back or do you back the royal navy . But do you back that . I mean, let me bring you in as well. Atal what do think about our atal what do you think about our position response position and our response and what doing . What were doing . I think important that i think its important that that goes to israel that rishi sunak goes to israel and disagree with richard on and i disagree with richard on for one, to show for three reasons. One, to show that the members of the Jewish Community in britain this matters and its not just a transactional political thing. Its important enough for the leader of the country to go because its such a trauma for the Jewish Community in this country. Two, there are britons who are kidnapped and in gaza and to make whatever we can do to push this up the agenda, the freedom for those britons, and instead maybe some of those assets being moved into the eastern mediterranean. Its around exit routes for all kind of preparations for if we can get get the captors, the british captives out. But i think number three, to show the israelis that we stand with them, they have the right to act, but also to be honest friends, which is if youre going to go into gaza and they are, youve got to have a plan to get out and that point needs to be made. But do you think there is a plan as to because its all well and good saying, okay, were going on going to respond on understandably, by the way, who wouldnt to respond to what wouldnt want to respond to what happened the seventh . Happened on october the seventh . I questions i think, you know, no questions there. Think that there. But do you think that people thinking through the people are thinking through the long aim because. Its long term aim because. Yes its one of going right. One thing kind of going right. Okay stand solidarity. We okay we stand in solidarity. We were friends or whatever your terminology , but what the terminology was, but what is the long plan here . Because Long Term Plan here . Because there are people now will Long Term Plan here . Because the gettingweople now will Long Term Plan here . Because the getting radicalised will Long Term Plan here . Because the getting radicalised all will Long Term Plan here . Because the getting radicalised all over. Be getting radicalised all over the social media, if you the place. Social media, if you ask me, is a very dangerous tool at the moment because within minutes of things happening, like you saw that hospital attack last night within literally even minutes, literally not even minutes, within things within seconds of these things happening, so many happening, youve got so many messages being splashed out to people. This was the israelis. People. This was the israelis. People are then getting infuriated, responding. Charlie infuriated, responding. Charlie was saying then youve was just saying then youve seen protest all places in the protest s all over places in the middle east. Tensions are really getting inflamed now. So do you think enough thought and enough getting inflamed now. So do you think eupjgh thought and enough getting inflamed now. So do you think eup thinkingght and enough getting inflamed now. So do you think eup thinking perhapsznough getting inflamed now. So do you think eup thinking perhaps is ugh joined up thinking perhaps is going into longer term . Going into the longer term . I think that is one of the roles that britain can play. Thats point. Rishi sunak thats the point. Rishi sunak goes there, to face goes over there, face to face with netanyahu because with Benjamin Netanyahu because joe biden will have said the same theres people same thing. Theres people in benjamin who Benjamin Netanyahus cabinet who will anger will make that point. Anger blind anger cant rule because theyll themselves theyll get themselves into a situation cant out of. Situation they cant get out of. It be a it will be a sort it will be a it will be a sort of vietnam. Of urban vietnam. Its focusing actually on and its focusing actually on beyond the term. Its the beyond the short term. Its the medium how do you reduce medium term. How do you reduce the potential eskom the potential for eskom escalation in lebanon and in other neighbouring countries , other neighbouring countries, tensions around the embassies, these things can bubble over very quickly into very dangerous situations. Thats the diplomacy that i was referring to , that that i was referring to, that maybe some of our british experts may be able to add to the whole equation. Thats thats absolutely. And do you have kind of trust that actually that will happen . Do you have your faith and your trust in our leadership that actually they can help stave these things . Because the list that i just referenced there and im saying to you , grant shapps im saying to you, grant shapps is saying about things like the wedding is really wedding deterrent is really important that a deterrent . Important is that a deterrent . But those helicopters but lining up those helicopters and all the rest of it and the marines, is that a deterrent . Well look, its something. Well its look, its something. But you have you have to but you have to you have to try diplomacy. Try with the diplomacy. Its incredibly so many incredibly difficult. So many great have tried for so great people have tried for so many, frankly, decades. So this is not easy, but this is potentially this is because its for israel. Its bigger than 9 11. Maybe this is that sort of seismic existential moment where people actually have to say enoughis people actually have to say enough is enough. Hamas have to be removed from gaza. One ounce and for all and come up with a different, bolder, more radical solution because othennise this just goes on and on. And frankly, everybody suffers and many, many more people sadly die. Yeah. And humza yousaf as well. Hes been speaking out over the last day or so. Lets listen. Of course, youll be familiar with the fact that his family are currently in gaza calling on the government to take two urgent steps. Take two urgent steps. Firstly, they should immediately begin work on the creation of a Refugee Resettlement scheme for those in gaza who want to and of course are able to leave. And when they do so, scotland is willing to be the first country in the uk to offer safety and sanctuary to those who are. And he also went on to say that basically the hospitals in scotland would be ready to provide treatment to those people that have been injured in gaza. Et people that have been injured in gaza. Et cetera. I mean, do you agree with what hes saying . I think as part of a broader package, yes. Its not worth its not it doesnt make a lot of sense. Just sort of chucking out an offer when egypts closed the border, when jordans closed the border, when jordans closed the border, when the us is doing one thing, the European Union is doing another , were doing doing another, were doing another where there broad another where there is a broad our diplomatic consensus across britain, the us, egypt britain, europe, the us, egypt and in and the surrounding countries. We need to be part of countries. We need to be part of that because its part of our standing in the world and we have historic ties in the region. And we and as i said, we have britons who are currently kidnapped in gaza now , the shape kidnapped in gaza now, the shape that takes, im not too sure, but if that means taking some refugees or it means providing specialist medical help , if it specialist medical help, if it means providing some form of to technical military help in some dimension, fine. But it has to dimension, fine. But it has to be as part of a coordinated plan rather than just sort of india original kind of one off. It takes time, though, doesnt it . You know, if youre trapped in gaza or wherever and you want to get out, what or even if youre trapped in israel or whatever, you know, youre not going to be sitting there thinking, oh, ive got the luxury of time for the International Community sort International Community to sort themselves up themselves out and come up with a got bombs raining a plan. Youve got bombs raining down on your head. You have. But we have to provide the expertise the provide the expertise and the help in territory. Help in situ in the territory. And think thats what weve and i think thats what weve got on. Its for got to focus on. Its very for easy humza yousaf to make that, but actually i dont that but actually i dont think that thats the british people thats what the british people want. I think the british people thats what the british people want. Thisiink the british people thats what the british people want. Thisiink theouttish people thats what the british people want. Thisiink theout inh people thats what the british people want. Thisiink theout in situ. Wple want this sorted out in situ. Use diplomacy , use a use our diplomacy, use a deterrence. We can. But you deterrence. If we can. But you know, this is othennise this goes and on and weve got our goes on and on and weve got our own huge problems , as you know, own huge problems, as you know, michel, were to be michel, that were going to be talking later on with immigration. Were literally just well, were literally just about weve got about to go. So weve got massive issues ourselves. Youve just teed that up nicely me because we are nicely for me because we are indeed about to come on to that very topic. Very topic. So i will throw that open to you at home. What did you think to what snp was saying to what snp leader was saying that opening essentially that about opening essentially routes the that i guess we routes the way that i guess we did in ukraine. Would that be something you would get something that you would get behind . Um, let me know your behind . Um, let me know your thoughts that. Talking thoughts on that. Were talking about that have about people, brits that have died well. Of course, just to died as well. Of course, just to remind all, seven brits, very remind us all, seven brits, very sadly have been confirmed to be be dead, killed in this atrocity. And also as well , i atrocity. And also as well, i think theres nine hostages that we currently know of that were still waiting for more information on. So for now, i will cut to a break. When i come back, ill be bringing you guys into that conversation. So two into that conversation. So two things for you to ponder. Britains response, what should it your response as it be . And also your response as well to what youve been well to what youve just been hearing, their suggestions when it immigration. See you people, all that, perhaps that does amount to collective punishment. Punishment. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry and im with you till 7 00 tonight alongside me, ive got the leader of reform, richard tice and the editor of labour uncut, atal hatwell. Now, i was asking you about britains role the situation over in role in the situation over in israel. Jim says britain should absolutely do whatever it takes and offer uncondition support to israel , whatever that looks like israel, whatever that looks like , lee says. We should play no part at all in this war because if it escalates, well have a fight on our own shores. Weve already seen demonstrations in london that are getting out of hand, etcetera. And john, can you say sunak should stay out of it if he needs to talk to israel, he can do it via zoom. Cor blimey, i wonder what you would say. I dont know if you were perhaps i dont know your religion, but if you were jewish would you have that sentiment . Would you want your Prime Minister to sit at home and conduct that diplomacy zoom conduct that diplomacy on a zoom call . I confess i wouldnt. Call . I must confess i wouldnt. But you to have the but ill leave you to have the final say on that. But for now, the swedish Prime Minister has called border called for tougher eu border controls. Youll be familiar with this story, of course. A tunisian man killed two swedish football over in brussels. Football fans over in brussels. He is basically travelling throughout, out and around the eus shingen area. Hed gone through a variety of Different Countries sweden , in lampedusa , countries sweden, in lampedusa, there was a variety of different things. He was known to the police, this fella so it is now stimulated. Whole stimulated. That whole conversation again about is uncontrolled immigration or Free Movement or whatever , putting movement or whatever, putting citizens at risk without question. And i think that the first role of government is to protect your borders, defend your citizens, and the whole schengen zone, which thankfully weve never been a part of. I think is a disaster. For that. You are seeing in this case, this this, this person roaming across europe. And then what were seeing also is many of them are coming to the northern french shores and then trying to come to the uk and coming across on the boats. And weve got our own situation. Weve just had literally seven days ago an Asylum Seeker who was killed and now being charged with the killing of a british citizen, 70 year old man just walking peacefully down the street. Thats not the first time. There are numerous other examples. So, yeah, without question , in this yeah, without question, in this uncontrolled Movement Across europe of people from elsewhere in the world seeking asylum, seeking a better life, that is leading to frankly, our citizens being put at danger. And its got to stop. I think the british people are fuming mad at this. What is stopping it look like . What you do . What would you do . What would you do . Think whats stopping it i think whats stopping it means the first thing youve got to is got stop the to do is youve got to stop the boats. Second thing youve boats. The second thing youve got do is process. People got to do is process. People rapidly, to do 15, 20 rapidly, as we used to do 15, 20 years ago. Within a fortnight, not the appeal within the not have the appeal within the third and deport most not have the appeal within the thithose and deport most not have the appeal within the thithose who |d deport most not have the appeal within the thithose who actuallerport most not have the appeal within the thithose who actually arert most not have the appeal within the thithose who actually are not ost of those who actually are not genuine claimants, actually genuine claimants, but actually most of them are economic migrants seeking a better life, or some of them , as i proved or some of them, as i proved last year, coming over deliberately to cause criminal activity. Activity. Agree with that . If we do you agree with that . If we are interested in are genuinely interested in safety and preventing the sorts of terrible things that happened in sweden, the one of the things you said, michel, is absolutely critical. He was known to the police. So there is a failure of Law Enforcement at that, communicating across borders. The police should have tracked him. Number two, who are where i will agree with richard is that in terms of asylum , i dont in terms of asylum, i dont think it brings huge amounts of huge amounts of uncontrolled violence or threat. But we have to get the numbers who are waiting for processing down at the moment. Waiting for processing down at the moment. Someone arriving between april and june this year is going to wait 82 weeks, well over a year before their claim is processed , which is is processed, which is ridiculous. And it didnt have to it didnt used to be that way. As richard said in the past, let me say, under a Labour Government, correct. In a in a fortnight. And then people whose claims are rejected, lets move the same that was the same volume that was incoming its to easy incoming because its to easy process people in a fortnight if youve got about 12 of them, if youve got about 12 of them, if youve got about 12 of them, if youve got god knows how of youve got god knows how many of them, different, them, its a bit different, isnt it . Things. Two things. Two things. Number one, in 2002, that was the previous High Water Mark for asylum applications asylum asylum applications to the 84,000 a the uk, its 84,000 with a smaller weaker smaller population and weaker and more. And kind of its a slightly different context, but 84,000 and the Labour Government put resources in to funding put the resources in to funding Law Enforcement, funding, processing, funding assessments and then moving people where their claims are rejected away and one of the reasons claims and one of the reasons claims and this issue hasnt surfaced even though in the 2000 there was there was all sorts of turbulence in terms of afghanistan , in terms of iraq, afghanistan, in terms of iraq, is that the system worked quickly. We did not have quickly. We did not have hundreds of thousands of people effectively sat with there, idung effectively sat with there, idling away with their lives. And the point i wanted to make about safety , the issue about safety, the issue is radicalisation. People with radicalisation. People with nothing to do, lives on hold because that radicalisation occurs applies to migrants. It occurs applies to migrants. It also applies to people born and bred in this country. In in the United States, over half , 57 of United States, over half, 57 of terrorists home grown terror attacks are from extreme right wing terrorists. Theyre not migrants, but theyve been radicalised. So on migration and radicalised. So on migration and asylum, get rid of the backlog , asylum, get rid of the backlog, have a more effective system. But the root cause deal with radicalised nation. And one of the issues about the huge time for the backlog is that actually many of these Asylum Seekers are disappearing. The have no idea the authorities have no idea whatsoever are. Many whatsoever where they are. Many of disappear literally of them disappear literally within a matter of weeks of arriving , never seen arriving, never to be seen again. And so the illegality going on through our country is, i think it is i actually think its a national scandal. I dont think weve any idea how large it is. I think so. Where i disagree i think so. Where i disagree with richard is that i dont think we have particular spike think we have a particular spike in crime. Im think we have a particular spike in crime. Im one of in illegality crime. Im one of the most interesting things recently and in the last two weeks was the hate crime figures came out and for the first time in over a decade, hate crime numbers fell in the last year, 5. We are, you know, without wanting to sound too much like Kemi Badenoch, we are a reasonable we have made multiculturalism work in this country. It is a good country to be for. It is a good country to be for. It is a good country to be from a minority, tony blair said. Multicultural ism failed. David cameron said it has failed. Dame louise casey said it failed. Braverman it had failed. Suella braverman has said it has quite rightly said it failed. We all know its failed. I think you want to we where we are going disagree very we are going to disagree very much on the definition of much is on the definition of multiculturalism. Much is on the definition of multitjlturalism. Much is on the definition of multit had alism. Much is on the definition of multit had succeeded and kemi said it had succeeded and Kemi Badenoch she framed it badenoch in how she framed it was this is was talking about how this is a good for minority communities. What is good is if you have multi ethnicity party under a single British Culture where those come to in this those who come to live in this country contribute to us. They sign up to the Great British values of decency, fairness , values of decency, of fairness, of morals. That sense of british fair play. If you have that single culture, i think you might many countries might find many countries subscribe to decency and fairness. It is a its an extraordinary thing to say only britain subscribes. I didnt say only britain. Britain. I said i said, wherever you go to live, you should be prepared to sign up to that culture. The values of that nation, opposed to being good. Dont be bad, be decent wherever you go, learn the language, laws. Language, live by the laws. I didnt say dont be decent. What i said is dont live in silos, in different cultures, on Different Railway in the Different Railway tracks in the same is no way same country. That is no way to progress, no ones going to disagree. Dont. Think do you i dont. Do you think do you think does happen . I think think that does happen . I think it happens. Of course it happens. And it is a and its not about people whove just come country. Have come to the country. We have deep of these of these deep pockets of these of these silos. And it happens on both silos. And it happens on both sides. When you go to of sides. When you go to some of the northern towns where you have areas and you really have white areas and you really simple question, right . Anyone says to me whenever anyone says to me about how about celebrating how multiculturalism is working and everyones kind of all merging into one and its all wonderful, why have we got a schoolteacher in batley thats in hiding, fearing for his life . If were such a tolerant, connected and joined up country . Joined up country . Because when people say things have worked , it doesnt things have worked, it doesnt mean things are perfect. When mean things are perfect. When Kemi Badenoch made that speech at conservative conference, i broadly agree with her. But where where i would disagree with her or i would caveat it is when she says its the best place to grow up. If youre from a minority community, its a pretty in europe, its a pretty low bar because other parts of europe are terrible. Theres lots to do. Areas lots of work to do. Those areas shouldnt those areas where weve level of weve got that level of division, appalling. Weve got that level of divisof1, appalling. Weve got that level of divisof the appalling. Weve got that level of divisof the one appalling. Weve got that level of divisof the one ofpalling. Weve got that level of divisof the one of theing. Weve got that level of divisof the one of the functions one of the one of the functions of the past decade of austerity is the programs and the is some of the programs and the activities that were breaking is some of the programs and the activiithose at were breaking is some of the programs and the activiithose barriers, ireaking is some of the programs and the activiithose barriers, theiing is some of the programs and the activiithose barriers, the moneys down those barriers, the moneys gone and the barriers have gone up again. Tells me about everyone that tells me about multiculturalism working, everyone that tells me about multicult|seems working, everyone that tells me about multicult| seems to jrking, everyone that tells me about multicult|seems to those. Everyone that tells me about multicult|seems to those people everyone seems to those people seem to gloss over incidents like i remember the school kid whose mum had to sit in front of like what was some weird kind of weird Kangaroo Court thing with a head saying a headscarf on her head saying how sorry she disgrace it. I mean , its clearly no one i mean, its clearly no one really speaks about that. So everyone says, oh yes, its good. Were all its really good. Were all integrated, just integrated, but thats just nonsense because it was all over the papers. It on the bbc. It was on. It was on the bbc. It was on. It was it was all the it was on. It was on all the main news that batley main news about that Batley School teacher anymore. Happened him . Whats happened to him . Whats happened to him . Where gone . Have to where has he gone . I have to l, where has he gone . I have to i, i dont know the detail details of that case, but again, it on all of main news channels. It was on, it was covered in the media. But to acknowledge well, but to acknowledge acknowledge that things to acknowledge that things can improve things improve isnt to say that things isnt to ignore that thing. A vast array of vast there is a vast array of vast swathe things that have swathe of things that have worked in 2023 to have worked well in 2023 to have a professional individual still in hiding , fearing for his life hiding, fearing for his life because he dared had the audacity to criticise a religion of which he was not a part to me is an absolute disgrace. And i would always say, whats a big fat question mark over whether or not we are indeed an integrated society . Again, can have the final again, you can have the final say pve again, you can have the final say ive got a lot say on that one. Ive got a lot to come your way. I want to talk to come your way. I want to talk to you about tasers. Do you think Police Officers, think all Police Officers, officers should be offered to have a taser standard . Do you have a taser as standard . Do you think miners should be able think that miners should be able to theres very to beat tasered . Theres very controversial one coming up later a later on in the programme. A 14 year was but after year old was tasered. But after the i want to ask you, is the break, i want to ask you, is it time basically to call time now on bars in parliament . Now on the bars in parliament . You me. Youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry and im with you right through till 7 00 tonight. Matthew on twitter says, can you ask atal a quick question for me . When were talking about speeding up the processing of people crossing the channel, speeding up the processing of peopasking, ing the channel, speeding up the processing of peopasking, how he channel, speeding up the processing of peopasking, how is channel, speeding up the processing of peopasking, how is that1nel, speeding up the processing of peopasking, how is that going hes asking, how is that going to stop the number of people making channel crossing . Making that channel crossing . , it that resources well, it means that resources that deployed and that are currently deployed and scrambling dealing with scrambling around dealing with the of failure and the consequences of failure and having 175,000 people waiting for decisions as can be redeployed , it means that the redeployed, it means that the idea that you can come to the country and youre to going theres a chance to just be and waiting while your decisions being maybe maybe kind being taken and maybe maybe kind of isnt there. Of absconding isnt there. People you have a people come, you have a decision, you get moved out, resources move to the front. And two, to improve security and the people who are justified and have justified claims can come through more quickly. That answer your question, matthew. There you go. I would matthew. There you go. I would also worry that speeding up, making it much quicker would actually people actually incentivise more people to but what to make that crossing. But what you can tell me what you make to it want to ask you about it all. I want to ask you about a simple question. When it a very simple question. When it comes police, do you comes to the police, do you think it should be think that it should be a National Policy to offer all Police Officers if they Police Officers tasers if they want carry it, use it . The want to carry it, use it . The reason im asking this question is because theres been lot of is because theres been a lot of controversy a Police Controversy because a Police Officer i it was in officer for i think it was in birmingham tasered a 49 year old boy. So its two people, two things people want saying that you shouldnt be able to taser minors. And then, two, that all police should be able to carry tasers both of those points. Tasers on both of those points. Where you . Where are you . Theyre all police i think theyre all police should tasers. Absolutely should carry tasers. Absolutely lutely. Or 3 day lutely. Its a 2 or 3 day course. Has to to be trained course. Has to be to be trained in use of it and actually in the use of it and actually i think would act as a serious deterrent. We dont i dont think our our police think we want our our police carrying more guns weve carrying more guns than weve currently unlike in currently got, unlike in countries like america. But actually, tasers actually, i think tasers is a very good deterrent. And look, very good deterrent. And look, sometimes its difficult to actually to know what is a minor as to i think the as opposed to i think the deterrent there. And frankly, deterrent is there. And frankly, if stops people shoplifting, if it stops people shoplifting, carrying knives in the knowledge that, yeah, you might actually be tasered and guess what . It might be bit of a shock and it might be a bit of a shock and it might be a bit of a shock and it might hurt. Im all for the deterrent because we have got lawless absolutely lawless britain. Its absolutely really. Absolutely. Michel, really. Absolutely. Michel, weve got to stop we weve got to stop this. We cannot gangs of feral cannot have gangs of feral youths taking over our high streets. Go even further. If streets. Id go even further. If theyre trained properly, id have within have the security staff within shops and also having a modest level taser to stop shoplifting. Level taser to stop shoplifting. Come on, michelle. Taser come on, michelle. Is it only goes up to five. We cant go on like this. Youve got to stop this lawlessness on our streets. Decent law abiding people are sick and tired of it. And weve got to try something different. Othennise it goes from bad to worse. The idea, the idea that Arming Police with tasers is the solution to lawlessness. No ones disagree that ones going to disagree that that lawlessness, that tackling lawlessness, tackling shoplifting needs, tackling shoplifting needs, tackling crime is a tackling all crime is a priority. The idea that Arming Police with tasers is that will do that is a fantasy. What stops shoplifters . What stops opportunistic crime are Police Bodies on the beat, bobbies on the beat, visible duty in shopping high streets, giving an under resourced and when they run away, they get tasered and they get caught and they get locked up. Come on, dont be wet. Come on, dont be wet. An understaffed, under resourced. A small number of officers with tasers of Police Officers with tasers or without isnt going to stop anyone. And frankly , i would anyone. And frankly, i would worry, what weve seen worry, given what weve seen with some of the judgement, the judgement calls the police make in terms of when theyve been policing the police and the Sarah Everard vigil and some of the decisions they make with with everything that comes out around misogyny in the police force, arming more the judgement misogyny has got nothing to do with a taser, for heavens sake. But its got to do something different. Othennise we go from bad worse to things. Bad to worse to things. Its one, its about judgement the reason judgement and part of the reason bad judgement is implemented is that there arent enough resources to having a taser or not having a taser wont stop opportunistic crime. Having Police Officers visible. Thats what ill tell why will what ill tell you why it will stop because they get they stop them because they get they get zapped if theyre running away officer away and the Police Officer cant catch up with them, they get zap, get and get zap, they get caught and hopefully locked up. Hopefully they get locked up. Banged up, zapped because no banged up, zapped because theres not enough Police Officers to start with. Absolute nonsense. Officers to start with. Yes, lute nonsense. Officers to start with. Yes, iute nonsense. Officers to start with. Yes, iute novery se. Officers to start with. Yes, iute novery big fan of yes, i am a very big fan of law and order. Tough law and order. On then, michelle. Order. Come on then, michelle. But even for me , getting 50,000v but even for me, getting 50,000v pushing through your system over a family pack of Cathedral City is a little bit extreme for me. Turn it down a bit. Turn it down a bit. Turn it down a bit. Turn the voltage down a bit. Turn the voltage down a bit. 25,000v. 25,000v. And we cant just sit here and say its going to carry on like it is. Because i tell you what, nothing stays the same. It gets worse and worse unless theres a proper credit able deterrent and i ask you this, right . Because i think whilst im not sure about the shopkeepers, one i am with with richard on the police 1 1 these people like yourself that say we shouldnt have, we should have less tasers and less armed police or whatever , or would you be whatever, or would you be a Police Officer out on the streets of britain today without out properly defend out the means to properly defend yourself i. E, out the means to properly defend yourself le, a taser to yourself if, le, a taser to disarm a violent individual charging . Logic. Charging . Thats the logic. Logic which which thats the logic which which takes us takes to guns. Takes us takes us to guns. Reason that the reason in the reason that the reason in that case, the Police Officer. That case, the Police Officer. No, the reason. The reason that Police Officer resorted to the taser. And i think one of about him im talking about would you in talking about you would you in todays britain, feel todays violent britain, feel comfortable a police comfortable being a Police Officer streets without officer on the streets without the means to able to disarm a the means to be able to disarm a violent individual charging at you with a knife . The best means to disarm a violent individual is having more Police Officers. I wouldnt feel particularly. Youre on your own. I wouldnt i wouldnt feel on your own. I wouldnt feel safer with a taser or without a taser. Because if one escalates armaments this way, armaments in this way, the criminals escalate criminals can always escalate harder, more police is not that much of is on the more police is what protects is protects Police Officers from being ovennhelmed. Officers from being ovennhelmed. Me a stock youre giving me a stock answer im asking you if you answer. Im asking you if you are on your own in a dark alley with some random knifeman charging youre on your with some random knifeman chargsoj youre on your with some random knifeman chargso youre youre on your with some random knifeman chargso youre more� re on your with some random knifeman chargso youre more officers. Ur own. So youre more officers. Theyre anyway. If you theyre not there anyway. If you have got a taser, are have not got a taser, what are you going do with this you going to do with this lunatic charging at you without a taser . What are you going to do . Number one, is a taser going to make that much difference . I said this the logic. I said this is the logic. I said this is the logic. Absolutely the logic. Absolutely the logic. This the logic that goes through. Because you follow your because if you follow your logic, a taser. Logic, its not a taser. A gun. Its a gun. Its a gun. No, its not. Its not. Its exactly the opposite. A gun. Its exactly the opposite. Thats this is thats what this is the deterrent knives. Deterrent to knives. You carry knife, you if you carry a knife, you bnng if you carry a knife, you bring knife out, you get bring a knife out, you get zapped, its going to hurt. And then go to jail and the then you go to jail and the police have tasers and then the criminals gone right. Police have tasers and then the crirand. S gone right. Police have tasers and then the crirand then gone right. Police have tasers and then the crirand then the ne right. Police have tasers and then the crirand then the police 1t. Police have tasers and then the crirand then the police have guns and then the police have guns or gangs have already or the drug gangs have already got at the level. If we not at the level. If we escalate the armaments that the police escalate the armaments that the polyes, they tasers, stand yes, they carry tasers, stand back do nothing. Back and do nothing. And weve got the worst knife crime our lifetimes. Crime in our lifetimes. Got to change the no, youve got to change the Resources Police resources to having the police to law and order on the to keep law and order on the streets of this country. Its not difficult, law and order to this debate. Not difficult, law and order to thisand ate. Tell you this. I am and ill tell you this. I am not suggesting having every police a gun you Police Officer with a gun you can knife, man with can take down a knife, man with a taser, youre going to have him on the floor. Youre going to shoot the guy in the head to put him on the floor. 50,000v will do it. I dont understand this logic, this illogical leap from wants guy from because she wants the guy to protect himself with a taser. She wants him to have she therefore wants him to have some kind machete his back some kind of machete in his back pocket, machine pocket, not a machete machine gun back pocket. That to gun in his back pocket. That to me is a strange leap. It happens when the police arm , then criminals arm arm up, then the criminals arm up next level. Thats up to the next level. Thats where goes. It leads to where it goes. It leads to police with ever , ever more police with ever, ever more armaments, criminals with ever more armaments and weapons. And more armaments and weapons. And in the end, the case for police to have to have guns that weve this isnt even really an open this isnt even really an open this isnt even a difficult question. Weve done it before. Question. Weve done it before. Increase the number of police watch crime go down and give them the tools to carry out the job and give them a Justice System to lock people up. So i would actually agree, get rid of the Court Backlog just got an asylum just as weve got an asylum backlog that properly. Backlog fund that properly. So when a criminal gets arrested, chance, arrested, theres a chance, maybe chance theyre maybe just a chance theyre going inside. Going to actually go inside. Well at the answer from well at all the answer from atoll is more Police Officers. Let me ask you this. Would you be a Police Officer on the streets of britain today without the means to be able disarm the means to be able to disarm a violent criminal with a taser if they are coming towards you . My answer to that is not on your nellie , but you tell me because nellie, but you tell me because its well and good. Mean, its all well and good. I mean, police vacancies. You need police vacancies. But you need the participants the willing participants to actually those jobs actually apply for those jobs and role. Ill be and to do the role. Ill be fascinated about your take on that. Dont go anywhere. After the break, i want to talk to you about whether or we need to about whether or not we need to call time the bars in call time on the bars in parliament. Are leading to parliament. Are they leading to a little bit of wrongdoing . Can you me. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00. Richard tice and atlantikwall still remain alongside me. Although ive got to say, i was doing my best during the brits. Try and convince them to take to the streets. Maybe for a week. I dont know. Have a night in london. Once a week on the streets, ties have his taser streets, ties can have his taser hats, will can be without. And hats, will can be without. And lets just see how they both get on and ill interview them at the end of the week and we can itll fascinating documentary itll be fascinating documentary and would ask again both of their on being having their thoughts on being having tasers as Police Officers tasers or not as Police Officers can bet which way that would go at the end of that week. John says michelle, youre asking whether or not a teenager should be able to be tasered by the police. I think john absolutely agrees with that. Another different john says, i agree with richard. Give security guards tasers. Mel says , guards the tasers. Mel says, good god, no, the police cant be trusted with batons. As it stands. So no thank you. When it comes to tasers, phil says theres no point in giving Police Tasers because they dont even enforce the law as it is today. So is the point in today. So what is the point in giving them yet another weapon . John says nothing wrong with shopkeepers having taser shopkeepers having a taser device. Use electric fencing device. I use electric fencing for sheep and im petrified for my sheep and im petrified and im petrified of touching the fence. Theres no better deterrent. And says michelle, youre going soft. I agree with richard. We really do need these deterrents. We are becoming a lawless society. I dont think im going soft. I do believe in tough law and order. And i would have no issues tasering a knife, man. I just think if youre shoving, i dont know, like i said, Cathedral City, down your pants. Im not really sure that you deserve 50,000v, but, hey , you deserve 50,000v, but, hey, maybe going i dont maybe i am going soft. I dont know can tell me now. Know you guys can tell me now. The independent complaints and grievance the grievance scheme said that the westmin oyster drinking culture means that alcohol is basically a frequent factor in its investigation is now not not a week or a month seems to go by these days where we dont seem to have yet another mp in trouble for some kind of weird sexual misconduct. I mean, trouble for some kind of weird sexual misconduct. I mean, i trouble for some kind of weird sexual misconduct. I mean, i was sexual misconduct. I mean, i was reading allegations about peter byrne. He denies them. Youre talking about allegations of people apparently waving genitals close to the face of a staff member. And i think i beg your pardon , man. And when i your pardon, man. And when i hear stories like this and i hear stories like this and i hear that this body now is talking about how much alcohol is getting involved with some of these misconduct cases, get rid of the bars parliament. Why of the bars in parliament. Why do. We need bars in parliament . Do. We need bars in parliament . Its a very good question. I mean, if you take that approach, you could say, why do you need pubs across the whole of the uk . I its part is it part of i mean, its part is it part of the working environment . I think i mean, its part is it part of the allrking environment . I think i mean, its part is it part of the all aboutenvironment . I think i mean, its part is it part of the all about moderation, i think i mean, its part is it part of the all about moderation, isntnk its all about moderation, isnt it . Theres a genuine it . But theres a genuine serious question here is that why. Serious question. Serious question. It is a serious and it is a serious question. And i have thought hopefully i would have thought hopefully those trusted those 652 mps could be trusted to themselves. What to behave themselves. But what were seeing is maybe theyre not. Why are those bars not. But then why are those bars subsidised . Taxpayers subsidised . Why are we taxpayers making alcohol and i guess soft drinks, cheap for mps when we go to the pub whether we have an alcoholic drink or a soft drink, we pay the going rate. The market rate. Surely mps should do the same. So you would keep the bar but remove subsidies . Remove the subsidies . I think thats right. Yes, i think thats right. Theres justification for subsidy. Obe. Subsidy. Where are you on it . Where are you on it . Suspect few can make a case i suspect few can make a case for giving parliamentarians subsidised booze, so really they should same rate. Should pay the same rate. I think the trouble with the bars in parliament its that that is a and the drinking culture in parliament. It is a symptom of a really weird and peculiar system where people are taken away from their families and kind of holed up in flats for most of the week. They have an inordinate amount of just waiting around for votes. What other workplace are expected to be there are you expected to be there till 9 00, 10 00 . Apart from tv, maybe to 9 00, 10 00, maybe even into the early hours where youre just there to do one thing, walk through a lobby and then all of the other space around you just kicking around without much, without. Without much, without. Well, i mean , wheres the well, i mean, wheres the worlds smallest violin . You worlds smallest violin . You know, youre painting this scene of all these hard pressed people earning a fortune and a taxpayer funded that the hard pressed london. Even if you remove the bars theres a huge problem with Mental Health in parliament. A theres a lot of just straight up weird people who become mps as because with some of those allegations about peter bone, he wasnt was in that hotel wasnt when he was in that hotel room. And of the worst room. And some of the worst stuff hes not drunk at stuff happens. Hes not drunk at that theres hotel, that point. Theres no hotel, theres bar bars. So theres no commons bar bars. So theres no commons bar bars. So theres a lot of people with some issues. And then the inordinate the peculiarity of working at westminster. I worked there 30 years ago and i dont think its changed much now. It probably hasnt. Didnt change much 50s, years much from the 50s, 60 years before. Peculiarities, before. Uh, the peculiarities, just not having just hanging around, not having focus, not like proper focus, not having like proper Line Management targets. Mps Line Management targets. Mps just spin around as basically autonomous businesses that get pulled together to do votes every now and then by the party. That really odd culture here is whats the root problem . I mean, thats a bit of an excuse though. Theyve got loads of constituency work they could be doing. They could be using ipads, iphones, waiting the ipads, iphones, waiting for the votes. A bad votes. Maybe its just a bad working maybe working culture. Maybe what youre actually, youre saying is actually, as youre saying is actually, as you not properly you say, theyre not properly managed and basically sort of time managed. How you get stuff donein time managed. How you get stuff done in a normal working environment. You have a series of targets. You get feedback. One of the things that mps always say privately is they have no sense of whether theyre doing a good job not until its promotion, job or not until its promotion, its reshuffle time. Pardon. They not read pardon. Do they not read their and then not look their emails and then not look at their constituency feedback . How you burying your how unless you are burying your headin how unless you are burying your head in the sand, how is it possible as an mp not to know whether or not youre doing a good job . So the those who engage with their constituents, great. And theyll of feedback. Theyll get a level of feedback. Im thinking more here where theyll get a level of feedback. Im ttwh01g more here where theyll get a level of feedback. Im ttwho engage here where theyll get a level of feedback. Im ttwho engage that where theyll get a level of feedback. Im ttwho engage that is1ere theyll get a level of feedback. Im ttwho engage that is your those who engage that is your job engage with job to literally engage with your as part your constituents as part of an organisation. Parties you organisation. The parties you are a member of a party. You are elected on a ticket and theres a you know what . This this conversation is going to rumble on and on and on. Were getting anywhere. On. Were not getting anywhere. Collins one of collins a sensible chap, one of my he says, do two my viewers, he says, do two phased approach. Of all, phased approach. First of all, remove see remove the subsidies, see if that the level of that reduces the level of drinking it doesnt, drinking and then if it doesnt, then could close the bars. Then you could close the bars. Im harsh. I would just im really harsh. I would just close all of them. You dont need to drinking at work. Get need to be drinking at work. Get pack in and also manage your pack it in and also manage your egos theres many egos as well. Theres too many egos as well. Theres too many egos gone in in parliament and i think that is the root of many problems miserable. Problems and miserable. On . Michelle, whats going on . I know. Soft. Look nigel know. Going soft. Look nigel farage is up next. Hes a softy. Ill tell hes not a softy. Ill tell you dont anywhere. You that. Dont go anywhere. Thanks, gents. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern thanks, gents. Hi the|thets Aidan Mcgivern thanks, gents. Hi the|thets ai office cgivern thanks, gents. Hi the|thets ai office with rn here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Storm babette the next 24 babette arrives over the next 24 hours, bringing with it exceptional rainfall for eastern scotland in particular, red warning been issued. Heres warning has been issued. Heres babette for the rest of wednesday, moving into central parts of the uk. Its been a wet day for southern areas, but that rains now moving into north wales. The midlands, Northern England and Northern Ireland overnight, especially heavy across Northern Ireland, with risk of 30 to 50 or even 60mm by the end of the night. And so that could cause some disruption by dawn. Othennise its drying up a little towards the south. It stays blustery, stays it stays blustery, it stays cloudy a result, its cloudy and as a result, its going to be a mild start to thursday, but it is going to be an start many wet an unpleasant start for many wet and weather, strong gusts an unpleasant start for many wet anwind weather, strong gusts an unpleasant start for many wet anwind associated, strong gusts an unpleasant start for many wet anwind associated with ng gusts an unpleasant start for many wet anwind associated with storm its of wind associated with storm babette, but then increasingly wet and windy for central and northern scotland in particular with places 70 or even 80 with in places 70 or even 80 mile per hour wind gusts. And that wind driving heavy and persistent rain into eastern scotland in particular, angus and aberdeenshire seeing that rainfall really build up over the next 48 hours, up until the weekend with in places 200 to 250mm of rainfall in 1 or 2 spots could see twice. Octobers spots could see twice. Octobers average rainfall fall in just a few days. That would cause serious amounts of flooding combined with strong winds. Combined with strong winds. Thats why theres a red warning. States late with forecasts and warnings good evening. As joe biden lands in israel today as fears mount that this could escalate in the middle east, im going to be asking the question, is he really fit to lead the free world . Well be joined, amongst others, by john bolton on that. Well get a former spokesperson from the Palestinian Authority to of the to put their side of the argument this conflict. And argument in this conflict. And ill joined by tory mp who ill be joined by tory mp who has caused uproar in the house of today. She suggested of commons today. She suggested that who come to the that people who come to the country illegally should sent country illegally should be sent home. All of that after the news with Polly Middlehurst. With Polly Middlehurst. Nigel, thank you. Well, the top story tonight is that the us President Joe Biden has been speaking in israel today where hes announced that an agreement to allow humanitarian aid to move from egypt into gaza. He also confirmed. 100 million also confirmed. 100 million worth of new us funding for that aid to go into gaza and the west bank. President bidens visit to israel was meant to prevent an escalation of the conflict in the