He has posted a video on social media claiming to be part of isis, saying he had killed three infidels. Forensic teams are on the scene. The gunman is still on the run tonight. The scene. The gunman is still on the run tonight. Well, hear on the run tonight. Well, hear the Prime Minister led a minutes silence in the house of commons today as he confirmed that at least six british citizens were killed in the hamas attack on israel last weekend with a further ten people still missing. Earlier, people still missing. Earlier, rishi sunak had visited a Jewish Secondary School in north london, reassuring students his government would always support them. The governments also announced it will provide an extra £10 million in humanitari an aid to gaza , saying the an aid to gaza, saying the Palestinian People are victims of hamas to meanwhile, diplomatic efforts to find a political solution to the conflict in israel continue with the us secretary of state holding talks with regional leaders to try to stop the conflict spreading and trying to get aid into gaza. Anthony get aid into gaza. Anthony blinken was in israel again today as doctors in gaza said they were struggling to treat they were struggling to treat the huge numbers of patients injured in israeli airstrikes. Injured in israeli airstrikes. Aid agencies are saying hospitals are running out of medicines and fuel for generators with only the most serious cases given access to treatment. Well, the united nafionsis treatment. Well, the United Nations is warning the humanitarian situation in gaza is deteriorating by the hour. Is deteriorating by the hour. There was hope twice early on today that aid could come through egypts rafah crossing. Thats in the south on its border with the gaza strip. There was an expectation at 9 00 local time this morning, the crossing would open and then again this afternoon, we heard from cairo that it might open once again, but it still has not opened despite thousands opened up, despite thousands massing at the border, desperate to out of gaza. Meanwhile, to get out of gaza. Meanwhile, in the north of israel today, Terror Group Hezbollah decided to fire rockets at israel. The to fire rockets at israel. The Israeli Defence force responding with shelling and helicopter gunships in the south, though, troops continue to gather near ashkelon in the south to prepare for the ground assault planned by the israeli Prime Minister, benjamin netanyahu. The us President Joe Biden said hes confident that israel will be acting in accordance with the rules of war. There must be, though, he said, a path to a palestinian state. And he warned iran not to get involved. And, iran not to get involved. And, well , here at home, hundreds of well, here at home, hundreds of demonstrators gathered outside the bbcs london headquarters tonight to protest against the corporations editorial stance on hamas. The corporation is facing backlash from the public and jewish groups for calling hamas militants instead of terrorists. Its the crowd terrorists. Its the crowd supported by the National Jewish assembly, chanted bbc shame on you with placards reading if the king calls Hamas Terrorists, so can you. The bbc issued can you. The bbc issued a statement saying it takes the use of language very seriously. Pro palestinian activists have also criticised the bbc covering its headquarters in red paint on saturday. Ulez gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. This is britains news channel. Hello and welcome to headunes. Hello and welcome to headlines. Im simon evans. Tonight im joined by josh howie and leo kearse. Good evening, and leo kearse. Good evening, gentlemen. How are you . Gentlemen. How are you . Yeah, good, thanks. Excellent. Right well, lets crack on with it then. The daily crack on with it then. The daily mail kick us off tonight with violent prisoners to be let out early should be a graphic for that. Im sure itll appear shortly. There it is. The guardian, gaza humanitarian crisis grows as us bid to ease blockade falters as the Financial Times us led push to open gaza crossing falters, as biden weighs israel visit the times. Teenage sisters among britains missing in gaza. The mirror invaders will face tunnel bloodbath and the daily star as even bloodbath and the daily star as ever, taking a somewhat sideways view, lets have a heated debate. Those were your front pages. Debate. Those were your front pages. So were debate. Those were your front pages. So were going to debate. Those were your front pages. So were going to kick pages. So were going to kick off with the times. Josh i think. Is that right . Yeah so teenage sisters among britains missing in gaza turns out seven have british citizens have been killed and ten have been kidnapped. And these are pictures of two of them, a 13 year old and a 16 year old. Yeah and nolia, who are very similar ages to my kids. And theyre ages to my kids. And theyre right now being held by a genocidal bunch of rapists, regime. Regime. And they need to be brought home. And israel needs to go in and get them. And all these people who are sort of saying, oh no, israel, hold back, stop, stop. Its hold back, stop, stop. Its like, are any of them actually, you calling for these people to be released, these innocent be released, these 150 innocent victims . And no, because theyre victims . And no, because theyre a bunch of hypocrites and they disgust me anyway. Thats my impartial view. Disgust me anyway. Thats my impartial view. And its just impartial view. And its just its just its crazy to see when you when you weve heard about these these kidnap victims and to see start seeing photos of them appear. Now and these are british citizens its disgusting. Anyway thats my take on that. Thats my take on that. What would you have to say about that, liam . Yeah, i mean, its obviously tragic and terrible and shows the ties that weve got with with israel and other countries across europe and across the west have got, you know, missing people as well. Theres another story there. Two dead in brussels as a gunman goes rampage. This is, goes on the rampage. This is, you partly of you know, partly the sort of back backlash from from that there was the global day of jihad, which was a bit of a damp squib, not to, you know , squib, not to, you know, denigrate global jihad or anything. No. From me next well to be fair, they had very little notice. Did they . But yeah, i mean , the its interesting that mean, the its interesting that term backlash. You dont need much notice to know. I mean its rampages. Its not like they rampages. Its not like they orchestrate planes going into buildings anymore. They just drive a prius on a pavement or that with a kitchen that is true with a kitchen knife. Its interesting that term backlash isnt it . Because one reaches because one reaches for that because there really very useful there isnt really a very useful term describe really term to describe what it really is, which is a continuation of the fonnard lash, isnt it . Its, a its a its, you know, its a its a its an amplification of the lash. Yeah. Yeah. But in terms of swedish people, i mean, sweden has never been involved in the middle east. Sweden has only just given billions of whatever what do they call it. Theyve recently had a spate of quran burnings probably, which probably motivated, but theyve accepted a huge amount of immigrants. Theyre swedish. Yeah which is a terrible, terrible idea to bring in, you know, culturally very distant. Know, culturally very distant. But people with, you know, some radically different ideas. I mean, if they if they brought in immigrants from portugal, a doubt theyd be, you know, running around committing terror attacks and seemed to be a attacks and it seemed to be a very and objectively very determined and objectively understood program. Sweden had understood program. Sweden had a famous a government sponsored information film. Do you information film. Do you remember this one in which various swedes explained to the rest of the country that sweden was no longer going to be swedish . Right. You know, they really you can find it really did. They you can find it on youtube. Were saying on youtube. They were saying sweden is going to change. And what what a swede like is what what a swede looks like is not a swede has looked like not what a swede has looked like previously. Was previously. And that was popular. Fine with popular. Everybody was fine with that. Popular, i that. Not terribly popular, i dont mean, is dont think. No. I mean, is quite chilling. What certainly is hindsight, now is now in hindsight, now that weve what some those weve seen what some of those people, of new swedes people, of those new swedes brought them to bring back brought with them to bring back the old the vikings, the old swedes, the vikings, as they could, maybe, you know, if a guy with one of those big double ended things down double ended axe things was down there, have solved this there, he could have solved this or at least chopped the guys leg off. Yeah. I know if islamists i dont know if islamists need but viking, need more axes, but a viking, weve got more middle eastern news on the front page of the guardian. Guardian. Leo. Yes. This is looking at the other side of the gaza crisis , the israel crisis. So crisis, the israel crisis. So slow and intense , us led slow and intense, us led diplomatic efforts have failed to ease palestinians plight in gaza. So theyve had intense diplomatic efforts. But theyve still got 2 million palestinians trapped in gaza under bombardment. Egypt doesnt let them out through the border. Obviously, they cant go out through the border with israel or through the through the mediterranean. And its almost like a, you know, mediaeval like a, you know, a mediaeval siege. Got supplies of siege. Theyve got supplies of water, medicine water, food and medicine all running electricity. Yeah. Running out, electricity. Yeah. Well, i think it was a tweet of yours, wasnt it, that explained that gaza is actually a top an aquifer, that theres plenty of fresh there. Fresh water there. Would just get this if they would just get this whole is a myth. Whole water thing is a myth. Israel only supplied 10 of the water anyway, and they have actually turned on down the water anyway, and they have actualinow ned on down the water anyway, and they have actualinow that on down the water anyway, and they have actualinow that the down the water anyway, and they have actualinow that the population south. Now that the population is exaggerated. South. Now that the population is so exaggerated. South. Now that the population is so they exaggerated. South. Now that the population is so they needjgerated. South. Now that the population is so they need fuel ted. South. Now that the population is so they need fuel for. South. Now that the population is so they need fuel for the so they need fuel for the i mean, it takes a while to build. So the aquifer is degraded. Its been overused because youve got 2 sitting on top 2 Million People sitting on top of right. So and they need of it. Right. So and they need they need fuel for the desalination plants. Been let. Desalination plants. Oil been let. Desalination plants. Oil has been let. Desalination plants. Oil has been let in as well. Oil has been let in as well. To power the yeah. To power the generators. Thats another thing about a lot about this whole myth is a lot of run on generators, of its run on generators, arent we . We surprised that israel are we surprised that israel is sort launched is not actually sort of launched an as such . I mean, an invasion as such . I mean, they to be hesitating they seem to be hesitating slightly at this point. The trouble is, its going to be disastrous them terms of disastrous for them in terms of casualties. Theyre to casualties. Theyre going to i mean, the most mean, urban warfare is the most you unpredictable, the you know, the unpredictable, the warfare where you lose the most the yeah. Also, the most bodies. Yeah. And also, its be disastrous its going to be disastrous because hamas are going to make sure the maximum number sure theyre the maximum number of civilian deaths. Yeah and its if i mean, for all its not as if i mean, for all the, know, the idf tries to the, you know, the idf tries to avoid civilian deaths. They didnt have the intelligence to know attack hamas know that this attack from hamas was coming. How do they know was coming. So how do they know what that theyre what buildings that theyre dropping what dropping bombs on . You know what i they they are in i mean . So they they are in danger of losing of the danger of losing control of the narrative once they go in . Yeah. And mean, they well, yeah. And i mean, they have some so have had some successes so far in killing some of the in terms of killing some of the higher people who planned higher ups, people who planned it and whatnot. But the propaganda already going out propaganda is already going out there. A thing. Had there. I saw a thing. Its had like million views online. Like a million views online. Its woman saying that is its this woman saying that is real, ten real, has now decapitated ten children, course, children, which is, of course, what happened the other side. So israels gone in yet. Israels not even gone in yet. Yeah. Is stuff yeah. And this is the stuff thats already. Thats been spread already. I mean, are we seeing i kind of feel hence im asking the question. This is i mean, obviously russia, obviously ukraine, russia, everything for everything has been going on for a and theres a couple of years and theres been degree of this. It been a degree of this. But it feels to me like this has really stepped propaganda, the stepped up the propaganda, the use the use of malign use of ai, the use of malign missing information. Mean, missing information. I mean, very, to know what is very, very hard to know what is truth and what is. And obviously, you know, are obviously, you know, there are some sources, but even some trusted sources, but even even can be fooled even newspapers can be fooled and so on. Well, from from certainly from reporting inside gaza. The thing that hamas has thing is that that hamas has totally controls it. Any totally controls it. So any reporter the truth , reporter who speaks the truth, they just get kicked out straight away. Right. Thats thats part why cant thats part of why you cant necessarily believe anything thats really being reported at all. I mean, like we saw with the bomb yesterday, they said, oh, israels oh, my god, look, israels bombing, know, the bombing, the you know, the people heading down south. Yeah the convoy turns out it was an ied, you know, but already that lie spread around the world. Lie is spread around the world. We that there was an do we know that there was an idea it have been an idea it could have been an accident or it could have been an ied. The point is, there are but the point is, there are roadblocks further down. Theyre trying their civilians trying to stop their civilians escaping. Propaganda escaping. Theres propaganda on both but has been proven. Yeah, but it has been proven. Yeah, but it has been proven. Now, most likely theyve done the footage the theyve assessed the footage and like bomb and its nothing like a bomb arriving. Bomb. Arriving. Its a bomb. It does like you have to it does feel like you have to read yesterday newspapers to have any chance of being to have any chance of being able to validate reading have any chance of being able to valida onto reading have any chance of being able to valida onto the reading have any chance of being able to valida onto the domesticiing have any chance of being able to valida onto the domestic news. About onto the domestic news. Josh mail. Josh the daily mail. Yes. Violent prisoners to be let early. Hundreds of let out early. Hundreds of offenders to have sentences cut by days under tory by 18 days under a tory government. This was revealed yesterday, but now this is, you know, obviously with the overcrowding as were getting within about 500 spaces of left in our prison system and theyre just desperate to get rid of people, yesterday, they would basically saying that if youve committed a lesser crime, you would essentially get community service. Now, they obviously the service. Now, they obviously the other of things, theyre other side of things, theyre going to be all right, going to be like, all right, you can a little can get out a little bit earlier, both things obviously undermine any message this government has about being tough on crime. Yeah, and thats a thats a very bad position to find yourself in going into an election. Ive long wondered whether they shouldnt be offering alternatives to violent criminals. You can serve a sentence or you can experience a chemical adjustment of your hormone levels is likely to bnng hormone levels is likely to bring you in line with societys expectations or the wagner method. You can sign up and be sent to fight on the front lines in a variety of wars, you know, so , i mean, it does feel like so, i mean, it does feel like its such an old and blunt instrument, isnt it . Locking people up when it starts to fill up. You do kind of think there must be some alternative way with Everything Else that can with Everything Else that we can do now to affect peoples behaviour. We know how easy it is tiktok peoples is for tiktok to affect peoples behaviour. Would think behaviour. You would think there must you think punish behaviour. You would think there must by you think punish behaviour. You would think there must by ycthemlk punish behaviour. You would think there must by ycthem watchish them by making them watch tiktok. Just like alex in tiktok. Yeah, just like alex in the orange. Just the clockwork orange. Just in that constantly. Thats basically tiktok thats basically what tiktok is, it . Is, isnt it . Lets finish off with the daily. Leo to be daily star. Leo and to be honest, i think this is honest, i do think this is perhaps most of us, the most perhaps for most of us, the most important, urgent and pressing, urgent, new story on the front pages. Crunch time winter. Pages. So crunch time is winter. Sparks family bust ups. Lets have a heated debate. So 35 of families row over turning the heating on and 43, which is more surprisingly , a fight about surprisingly, a fight about whos left the bleedin lights on. Yeah, i will just say this. Lights are almost free now. Nowadays the new bulbs, theyre virtually free. You can leave them on all day for about a penny. The heating isnt. Heating is not free. Yeah those two things are not the same. And also, because also, you know, because women are you lets are quite often, you know, lets save planet, but theyre save the planet, but theyre always the ones that are first on the thermostat. Need it on the thermostat. They need it to is that . Why we will to be. Why is that . Why we will never its like one of the different blood pressures, different blood pressures, different you turned but have you turned your heating yet . Heating on yet . I need thermostat, no. I need a thermostat, literally , last night. No. I need a thermostat, lite mel , last night. No. I need a thermostat, lite me too. |st night. No. I need a thermostat, lite me too. Yeah. Ht. Me too. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. You thermostat that can you got a thermostat that can be activated solely by a pair of testicles by a six foot four scotsman. Thats a pretty long six socks to up there. Get six socks to get up there. Get out and toss cable if out there and toss a cable if you warm up. Thats it you want to warm up. Thats it for one. Stay tuned for for part one. Stay tuned for part we have rwanda part two. We have rwanda rulings, ofcom rulings and news radio show. News radio show. Welcome back to headliners. Im simon evans, still with josh howie and leo kearse. Lets crack on josh with the daily mail now you have precisely 90s to demonstrate why this is or is not a good idea. Yeah, Illegal Migrants to be given only 30 minutes to prove theyre ineligible to be deported to rwanda under new home office plans. Obviously we have a massive backlog. New laws come in at backlog. The new laws come in at the presently. I think you get about 60 to 90 minutes. Thats going be cut down to 30 going to be cut down to 30 minutes. Then only going minutes. Then youre only going to then get days to get then you get eight days after to present your case. After that to present your case. Obviously, are obviously, people are protesting, protesting, but protesting, not protesting, but there people who are there are people who are criticising number criticising it, saying, number one, dont english one, if you dont speak english as language, then as the first language, then thats to 15 minutes thats cut to 15 minutes with the interpreter. If you the interpreter. Also, if you maybe abuse or maybe suffered sexual abuse or some of physical abuse, it some kind of physical abuse, it can hard to get can be very hard to get like a doctors report ready in the eight saying all that. Eight days saying all of that. There problem. It needs to there is a problem. It needs to be solved , ed, they to be solved, ed, they need to somehow work their way through backlogs. And honestly, who can concentrate than concentrate for more than half an i mean, its an hour anyway . I mean, its like an edinburgh show or something, isnt it . Trim the fat, trim the fat. Just edit, edit to the just edit, edit, edit to the point. Well, this what point. Well, this is what i think they should do is just go. Do you think hamas are terrorists . Can you complete this the this chant from the river to the what . And dont even need what . And they dont even need to him a verbal answer to give him a verbal answer because obviously might be because obviously that might be a problem. A linguistic problem. You can just put a few diodes on them monitor their pupil on them and monitor their pupil size theyre presented size when theyre presented with certain on. Do certain images and so on. Do they . Because that they . You know, because that enlarges theyre aroused enlarges if theyre aroused tonight and tonight with hormones and electrodes and all of this biomechanical available electrodes and all of this bweve1anical available electrodes and all of this bweve beenil available electrodes and all of this bweve been watching available electrodes and all of this bweve been watching too lable electrodes and all of this bweve been watching too much. Weve been watching too much. An open Stanley Kubricks an open hotel why can we not hotel rooms, so why can we not use it for this . You know, 30 minutes is ages. I think thats late. Should i think thats too late. Should be britains talent. Be like britains got talent. You what mean . Youve got you know what i mean . Youve got four. Yeah, you can get golden four. Yeah, you can get a Golden Buzzer they really like you four. Yeah, you can get a golden buifer they really like you four. Yeah, you can get a golden buif youre ey really like you four. Yeah, you can get a golden buif youre attractive. Ike you four. Yeah, you can get a golden buif youre attractive enough. Or if youre attractive enough. And then the other 2 to 2 reds in your and youre out and it should the it should be the should be the it should be the same as britains got same people as britains got talent as well. They would also use the same mechanisms use the exact same mechanisms wouldnt heartthrob use the exact same mechanisms wouldnnot heartthrob. tthrob use the exact same mechanisms wouldnnot heartthrob. So rob stories, not heartthrob. So theyre pulling the heartstrings. The heartstrings. You know, the granny dying wish that granny was her dying wish that i should britains should play ukulele on britains got talent, know . And yeah, got talent, you know . And yeah, i live in birmingham. Yeah. Those stories know some of those stories are pretty sad. Its quite, you know its quite quite know its quite its quite exactly. Theyre using those guys going guys then thats going to increase at the increase immigration at the moment, created moment, this has created an enormous for enormous amount of work for third lawyers, it . Third rate lawyers, isnt it . Actually what they really but actually what they really should getting is execs, should be getting is tv execs, the people who understand how to how brief you to get through how to brief you to get through the of a a tv the first stage of a of a tv talent its not a bad talent show. Its not a bad idea. Josh i think that could be use. We our leo use. We use our days. Leo absolute scenes the bbc absolute scenes as the bbc encounters end an encounters the sharp end of an ofcom ruling for a change. Yeah. How tide turned. So how the tide has turned. So number rules dont number 10 says ofcom rules dont stop the bbc from calling Hamas Terrorists and points out the corporation used term about corporation used the term about 911 and the bataclan attacks. And its also the bbc is also so called the attack in belgium tonight. A terror attack. Yeah, almost as if theyre theyre mocking mocking us. But yeah, so the 911 and 2015 bataclan attacks were called terrorism by by the by the bbc and i suppose the bbc could argue that theres a history of conflict between israel and gaza. Well, exactly. Israel and gaza. Well, exactly. I mean , you to play devils i mean, you to play devils advocate on this, because i am broadly of the view that we should call it terrorism. But i suppose for me, the distinction is not does it create terror . Was intended to create was it intended to create terror . Because you could certainly that feet certainly lay that at the feet of shock awe in 2003. You of shock and awe in 2003. You know, to create terror know, that was to create terror in people of baghdad. The in the people of baghdad. The point are state actors point is, are they state actors or are they are they a sub state . Are they a non state . And that is, do they defined that is, do they have defined political will plausible . Political will and plausible . Exactly are they acting on behalf of a you know, and thats the thing. And the answer is no. The thing. And the answer is no. I say. But it is a little i would say. But it is a little bit more of a grey area than it is a man on the is when a man goes on the rampage with a gun in brussels. Hamas has a i mean , theres the hamas has a i mean, theres the Palestinian Authority who reject hamas. Right. But hamas is within that that that gaza strip hazard. You know , it was not hazard. You know, it was not a democratic mandate, as we understand it, but you know what i mean . Its not quite like when they are they are a proscribed terrorist organisation. I mean, by they are i mean, literally by our government. And the our by our government. And the bbc saying, oh, no, are the bbc is saying, oh, no, are the tv stations . No. When the when that last week, that attack happened last week, a out here saying a thing went out here saying very , gb news, they are very clearly, gb news, they are a terrorist organisation because that and the fact that is reality. And the fact that is reality. And the fact that bbc are trying to that the bbc are trying to hide behind trying to that the bbc are trying to hide behi look, trying to that the bbc are trying to hide behi look, were trying to that the bbc are trying to hide behi look, were justing to that the bbc are trying to hide behi look, were just using this say, look, were just using this to separate from fake well, to separate fact from fake well, so saying theyre so youre saying theyre not terrorists. What they did was wasnt terrorism. I mean, come on. And theyre sort on. And then theyre also sort of reveal themselves. Say of reveal themselves. They say we perceive, we we dont want to perceive, we dont to dont want to be perceived to take any war. Well, take sides in any war. Well, what side is there here . What would say . Let me i what would you say . Let me i mean, of terror, what mean, in terms of terror, what would say about napalm would you say about napalm attacks vietnam america . Attacks in vietnam by america . Would as would we regard that as terrorism . Yeah, because that was it was, right . Was clearly what it was, right . If definition youre if by the definition that youre using famous picture of using the famous picture of the little running down, you little girl running down, you know, that terrorism, right . Know, that was terrorism, right . I would say yeah. Yeah. I would say thats terrorism. Wasnt described as terrorism. Well, i mean, it depends. Is that what they targeting specifically . That little girl, that what they targeting sp is fically . That little girl, that what they targeting sp is this ly . That little girl, that what they targeting sp is this ly . Taat little girl, that what they targeting sp is this ly . Ta militarygirl, objective . Its quite to common target civilian populations. Well, then civilian populations. Well, then thats i mean, hiroshima was was against civilian target. My against the civilian target. My gut feeling is that the our instinctive idea of what is terrorism, i. E. An action obviously intended to create terror among a civilian population is not the one thats decisive in terms of whether the word is used. Its the question of under under what authority 80 you are performing that action. And if you are actually at war with another country and then you do that like is the rape of nanking was that terrorism . You know, horrific things know, there are horrific things have sorry, dont have happened. Sorry, i dont know i dont dont dont know her. I dont dont dont joke about that. But yeah, its interesting that you know last week the bbc people were on the bbc on newsnight demanding that gb down because gb news be shut down because somebody he didnt to somebody said he didnt want to have someone and this have sex with someone and this to this is far greater to me, this is a far greater this is a well, lets be honest, theyve also transgress that particular, you know, the exact same bill anyway, but well go back there times. Now, back there another times. Now, josh workers can opt out of josh, nhs workers can opt out of their pension so they their Pension Scheme so they might a little prick. Might feel a little prick. Yeah, very. Good very. Good alarming rise in staff leaving nhs pensions. I didnt know this , but well, first of know this, but well, first of all, the number opting out has gone up 67 in four years. But what that means overall is were talking from 3 up to 4. 2 of its million members. But i had its million members. But i had noidea its million members. But i had no idea how generous is the Pension Scheme is where the lowest paid get about four times the amount that they put in and the amount that they put in and the highest paid. If youre over sort of £75,000, a lot more , sort of £75,000, a lot more, youre getting double what you get and this is said its get paid. And this is said its one the most generous pension one of the most generous Pension Schemes in the country. Now, of course, for people to pulling course, for people to be pulling out of this out of it is suggested of this whole cost of living crisis and its a you know, there is a the inability to think into the long term. I certainly suffer from myself. You know , a lot of stand ups. But, you know, when you have people who are going to be better off when theyre retired than they are now and having to go to food banks, thats arguably not situation. Arguably not a good situation. But this is amazing how but this this is amazing how much they get but these much they get money. But these people the state of the people can see the state of the nhs and they that theyre nhs and they think that theyre not going it to not actually going to make it to retirement age. Yeah. Think there yeah, yeah. I think there might be something to that. The police other that police is the other one that gets an pension of gets an amazing pension of a similar sort. I think it used to be police used to be youd be the police used to be youd get two thirds of your final salary and youd retire 30 salary and youd retire after 30 years. Would join age years. So people would join age 16, age two thirds 16, retire age 46 on two thirds of their final salary, which would be a good salary. You know, no country for old men. Thats the subtext the thats thats the subtext of the whole thing, isnt it . Just see out last back to the out that last shift back to the middle leah the middle east now, leah with the guardian, to know guardian, its nice to know someone from the someone is benefiting from the atrocities. Oil shares, atrocities. So, yes, oil shares, shells shares have hit a record high israel hamas high as israel hamas war drives up price. So brent crude up the oil price. So brent crude has risen by more than 7 since the start war. So thats the start of the war. So thats justin the start of the war. So thats just in a week more than 90 just in a week to more than 90 a barrel. And shells share price has gained 6. 5 over the same period. So ive actually same period. So ive actually got shares in shell. Okay. So got shares in shell. Okay. So im hoping iran invades. But this could this could be a real problem because russia we were getting a lot of hydrocarbons from russia, oil and gas and then other countries like iran actually stepped in. Thats thats why biden was doing these deals with iran and giving these these billions and, you know, softening their relations. Qatar, well. We get a lot of qatar, as well. We get a lot of gas from qatar. So if this war does escalate into a wider regional , it doesnt have to be regional, it doesnt have to be a wider regional conflict. But just, you know, if civilian casualties start piling up in gaza , then the people in qatar, gaza, then the people in qatar, the authorities in qatar, will be demanding that we stop providing gas to the west. Yeah, because thats the interesting thing, isnt it . Its not like the war is going to take place in an oil field. You know, thats one of the things about israel. Its not actually, you know, countries. Exactly. Israel. Its not actually, you knoyeah untries. Exactly. Israel. Its not actually, you knoyeah. Ntries. Exactly. Israel. Its not actually, you knoyeah. Yeah. Exactly. Israel. Its not actually, you knoyeah. Yeah. Well, ly. Israel. Its not actually, you knoyeah. Yeah. Well, theyre yeah. Yeah. Well, theyre saying that its not actually going directly in going to impact directly in terms as you say, the terms of. Yeah as you say, the geography the geography or whatever. But the fact is that a lot of this increase was already done from the of october. Attacks the 4th of october. The attacks happened seventh when happened on the seventh when opec arabia, russia , opec and saudi arabia, russia, they basically said they were going oil supply going to cut the oil supply anyway. Things are already on anyway. So things are already on the up before then. Yeah. Anyway. So things are already on the interesting hen. Yeah. Anyway. So things are already on the interesting snp yeah. Anyway. So things are already on the interesting snp conference interesting snp Conference News now. Josh in the times, what currently feels like one of the less pressing issues of the day but see yeah snp talking to themselves snp conference Nicola Sturgeon to attend as humza yousaf shifts strategy. I feel like ive seen the footage of her attending ive seen have you seen it. I feel like ive seen her sitting. Its not your fault. I was just sort of these things where crest is going to walk in dresses or get that wig out. Its going to put. Its going to put. No, i just thought id seen some video footage. Some video footage. But as i scrolling down so yeah shes attended previous years theyre bringing maybe thats maybe thats showing some footage from back then so yeah shes shes sort of flying high at the moment in terms of shes just got £300,000 for say that was that was revealing. Leapt out at me. Thats a lot of campervans 300 grand. And thats just the yeah. And thats just the beginning. Yeah. I mean thats more than the snp has got right now is it. I think you know this financial scandal. Yeah. Yeah. So unbelievable i wouldnt be surprised bribed the surprised if she bribed the Police Arrest her just to police to arrest her just to give that extra 100, 100 grand or whatever. So shes got the kind yeah. So shes got the kind of diary chapter. Yeah. Of prison diary chapter. Yeah. But, the whole thing is but, i mean, the whole thing is the whole thing is moot because the whole thing is moot because the whole thing they want to. The whole thing is they want to. Theyve a strategy now of theyve got a strategy now of Getting Place where they getting to a place where they can immediate negotiations can begin immediate negotiations with government. No , with the uk government. No, no, no, no. The uk guys like, yeah, can we have a meeting about to no, no. The uk guys like, yeah, can vsome� e a meeting about to no, no. The uk guys like, yeah, can vsome negotiations . Bout to no, no. The uk guys like, yeah, can vsome negotiations . No,t to have some negotiations . No, thats it. Its over. Theyre on the out for theyre on the way out for a generation now, i think, arent they . I mean it might well come back, not not some back, but not not for some i dont itll be bothering dont think itll be bothering headliners again while. Headliners again for a while. But it says something that you know, so unpopular, know, theyre so unpopular, theyre back, know, theyre bringing back, you know, sturgeon train. Thats it for part we have part two. Coming up, we have terrorist rankings terrorist popularity rankings and and and cancel culture and playground pranks. Thats right. Its the quick fire trivia round. See you radio. And welcome back to headliners. Were on the back headliners. Were on the back nine now. Daily mail. Headliners. Were on the back nine now. Daily mail. Leo and nine now. Daily mail. Leo and what i seriously hope is a genuine use of the word despite , genuine use of the word despite, yes, a 1 in 10 members of generation 2 and or generation 2 , because its in america and Young Millennials have a positive view of hamas. Positive view of hamas. According to an exclusive poll. According to an exclusive poll. I mean, to be honest, im amazed its as low as 1 in 10, given the, you know, all young people are super woke and want to be seen as rad, cool and, you know, glorify islam and decolonisation and well, they have, i suppose, again, to play the devils advocate, they probably have a simplistic view of it as being supporting the underdog, right . Yeah. And also its not i mean, this isnt stupid people. This is people top. So the is the people at the top. So the ivy league universities, columbia , harvard and penn, columbia, harvard and penn, theyve protests, pro theyve had protests, pro palestinian, some some palestinian, pro in some some places, pro hamas protests and really statements , points that really statements, points that have then been met with revulsion. Im wondering if this is the thing that breaks wokeness because wokeness started in the universities , you started in the universities, you know, with Critical Race Theory and gender ideology and communism and all this sort of stuff. Were going to come on in a second to another story in which we talk about the sort of cancellation whove cancellation of people whove expressed completely unacceptable but i unacceptable views. But i did nofice unacceptable views. But i did notice it says, notice that thing where it says, despite groups murderous despite the groups murderous attack do attack on israel, and i do sincerely hope it is despite that, rather than that they somehow been energised or activated by well, they put out immediately pro hamas saying its all israels fault. These these. Yeah these reports and i mean that means. Yeah and by the way theyre not supporting the palestinians. I supporting the palestinians. I supporting the palestinians. I support the palestinians. I hope that they get a get their own country. But this is pro hamas. Yeah. Yeah , i know. Yeah, i know. Yeah, i know. I want it to be there. I want it to be in the show on peace. But but the fact that theyre support and i agree with you this i think is a turning point because look, im on the left, but as far as im concerned, the far left this is absolutely revealed them over the last week. How insidious they are, how they are within how embedded they are within different institutions , mens different institutions, mens and predominantly in universities, how these ideas spread. And they need to be shamed by for their opinions. They need to be exposed and they need to be pushed further back into the fringes where they belong. Theres a theory, isnt there, that social media forces people to double down it polarises. And then when you see something that maybe make a sane person question their previous allegiances. Yeah although the thing that seems to be making these students change their mind is ceos on wall street are saying, give me a list of these students. Theyre never getting hired. So theres a cost associated. And whats interesting is that so many of them these fervently, them have these fervently, deeply that we deeply held beliefs that we support. Support support. You know, we support hamas crumble hamas and they instantly crumble as theres a cost as soon as theres a cost associated with it. Well lets have look. A story of have a look. Its a story of that kind in the josh, one that kind in the mail. Josh, one of the more justified instances of the more justified instances of cancel culture yeah i thousands sign petition to oust an Ivy League Professor who praised hamas and Board Members at columbia university. Theyre facing calls that they havent doneit facing calls that they havent done it yet. Right but, you know, hes tenured this guy called joseph massad. Hes a history and politics lecturer. And yeah , and he basically just and yeah, and he basically just came straight out and just wrote these absolutely ridiculous things literally things as people were literally dying and. Yeah. And this is what i was just saying before is that these people are being exposed. We are having we are seeing large hedge funds, Charity Funds withdraw, withdraw their funds. We saw a letter, i think was it to Penn University . Yeah they and then suddenly huntsman or something. I think huntsman of a wealthy family that have been always given it a big building with his name it millions and name on it millions and millions, huge amounts. Suddenly he gets it turns and suddenly he gets it turns out that the head the out that the head of the universitys like, put out a letter. No we support were letter. No we support and were anti hamas were this. No, anti hamas and were this. No, its late. You have exposed its too late. You have exposed yourselves. Yeah. And also, what sort of what belief is sort of what sort of belief is it you just change a on it if you just change it on a on a dime because presumably it was an Echo Chamber Effect . Think they all performative i think they all performative exactly that this would be the safe thing to say. And in fact, it out exactly. It turns out exactly. You see uk but you see in the uk a similar david miller, who worked for bristol university, he took similar david miller, who worked for muchyl university, he took similar david miller, who worked for muchyl univthe y, he took similar david miller, who worked for muchyl univthe stuff took similar david miller, who worked for muchyl univthe stuff that he so much work. The stuff that he was coming out with, he got a letter signed by hundreds of uk academics. They . Now he academics. Have they . And now he works iran tv, which is why works for iran tv, which is why im after this. And hes im going after this. And hes pumping out this crazy stuff. Have any of those people pulled back their names . No. They need to identified and shamed as well. Three in a row for the mail. Now leo it sounds like a now leo and it sounds like a school of the School Production of the crucible received crucible has received some bad reviews. Math teacher reviews. So a meal math teacher at all Girls Grammar School wins £45,000 after being sacked over a playground plot where the pupils made up lies about him assaulting them. And they did it assaulting them. And they did it because, in their words, it was fun. It was fun. And i cant imagine it was quite fun. So hes a former maths and computing teacher. This must absolutely destroyed his, not just his professional life, but these these these accusations. Yeah these pupils, to end his pupils, they wanted to end his career alleging he had career by alleging he had assaulted , by touching assaulted them, by touching their thighs and massaging their shoulders. Believe shoulders. So, you know, believe all women, but maybe not all women. You know, maybe sometimes you should question them a bit. And didnt happen the and what didnt happen the school question school didnt question any evidence they even ignored evidence or they even ignored evidence from older girls. So older been in the older girls have been in the playground and heard these girls, other who accused girls, other girls who accused him of this horrible stuff. They overheard heard them saying, yeah, were to were going yeah, were going to were going to get him because its fun. Yeah, he touched our thighs. Were him done for were trying to get him done for sexual mean, its not sexual assault. I mean, its not even said said its even he said she said its clearly theres a specific witness evidence statements saying that they made it up and they didnt even listen to them. Yeah, its terrible. Hes got £45,000. Thats not going to make up for what hes whats happened to him. Hes finished his career. It certainly isnt. Well hes now been he was suspended as his teacher, i believe, now been believe, has now been reinstated. But Something Like that, hard, isnt that, its really hard, isnt it . Who the it . Traumatic . Who knows the personal that . I mean, personal cost of that . I mean, and what what and these girls, what what exactly whats happened exactly has been whats happened to , they their punishment. I watched the i watched the saville thing, you know, that was on the bbc last week and wrote a thing about it for spiked. And its been quite interesting. You know, ive noficed interesting. You know, ive noticed some of the backwash from that is from people saying that this created a witch hunt because you know, because it drove everyone insane that they hadnt saville hadnt managed to catch saville at you know, that this at the time. You know, that this continues this day. This was continues to this day. This was a point. And its a real turning point. And its an incredibly powerful weapon now, use. Exactly. Now, which you can use. Exactly. You know, its like letting fireworks almost fireworks off. So its almost like macpherson report. Like the macpherson report. You know, lawrence was know, the Stephen Lawrence was such a egregious, you such a such a egregious, you know. Exactly. Yeah. Just know. Yes exactly. Yeah. Just this suddenly everybody is paralysed it. Anyway, thats paralysed by it. Anyway, thats hopefully chap is going to hopefully that chap is going to not just get his money hopefully that chap is going to notjust get his money but hopefully that chap is going to not just get his money but but i mean reset the clock. Well i think he should go and work in a boys school. Yeah. Yeah. That would be a terrible seven on a similar theme, josh and the top officer says the police have moved from abc to abc. We always believe children. Abc. We always believe children. Yeah, well, this ties in to what we were just talking about. Police must believe child sexual abuse but not blindly, abuse victims, but not blindly, says top officer. So so it actually seems to be larger. Yeah the scope is child sexual abuse and specifically historical because thats a good proportion of the cases. And when they came fonnard , there when they came fonnard, there was this thing where, yes, they would basically not necessarily not believe them where they had the abc, they had, i liked it, assume nothing, believe nothing, check everything. So i think check everything. So i think when people when they did that and it was hot, you know, when people are revealing some of the things them and things that happened to them and to met with seemed like to be met with what seemed like indifference. Yeah i think. Well skip, skip, skip. Yeah exactly. And know, that stopped other and you know, that stopped other people from coming and people from coming fonnard and maybe withdrawing maybe people withdrawing their accusations whatnot. Then we accusations and whatnot. Then we saw switch around , which saw things switch around, which was sort of accept everything and yeah, and it seems like now what theyre talking about is to hold it into some balance because course, you did have because of course, you did have this operation midland and all these it these people investigating. It turned all turned out that it was all lies, whatnot. There is an issue whatnot. So there is an issue there that needs to be dealt with. And it sounds like now theyre getting some theyre finally getting some sort i recognise sort of i mean, if i recognise this, this chap obviously means well, but its all hes essentially doing is hedging incredibly isnt he. Its not, hes not saying anything useful. Hes saying believe not believe children but not blindly. Does that blindly. Well what does that mean. Dont mean. Like dont, dont disbelieve mean disbelieve them. Yeah but i mean so with open eyes. Yeah. Its like. Its like its very basic like. Its like its very basic advice , isnt it . You know, advice, isnt it . You know, allow be led by the evidence or whatever. Yeah. Thats what hes saying. Hope the police were. Yeah, exactly. Its not, it shouldnt be an innovation shouldnt be an innovation should your but should really do yourjob but dont it. Dont do it. Well dont do it. Well dont do it. Yeah. Pronoun news now leo not something i ever remember. John craven saying. But anyway, saskatchewan are being controversial. According to the guardian. Controversial. According to the guardian. Um, controversial. According to the guardian. Um, yeah. So canada guardian. Um, yeah. So canada province uses constitutional override to advance pronoun legislation. And this is the legislation. And this is the canadian province of saskatchewan on it agenda. Its you know what it probably is . Theyve got like two spirit stuff and all that stuff. I thought it was, yeah, i thought it was a bigfoot Walking Around in the, in the woods. But theyve invoked this rare constitutional mechanist ism to shield controversial gender pronoun legislation from legal challenge is a decision that critics say violates the rights of minors. So basically, at the moment, the canadian government wants to allow teachers to let pupils transit in at school and not tell the parents, which to my mind is like, im like, are you mad . Are you mad . Like if my you mad . Are you mad . Like if my kids doing anything, like youve got to, you know, even say like , so this is apparently say like, so this is apparently youve got these parental rights activists which are being sort of painted as sort of far right and the rest of all the and all the rest of it, all the other kids, all the other good things they rights things they see the rights parents have is the primary Decision Makers in their childs education. Who say that parents who would say that parents shouldnt the primary shouldnt be the primary Decision Makers . I think ive got i think i think ive got a much better idea of whats best for my child than some blue haired communist teacher. And this the guardian this is what the guardian literally is calling controversial. This. Yeah, they are, because theyre all blue haired like haired communists. This is like some again, innovation. To see some im im gratified to see some fight back going on in canada because its sort of the wokeist of countries and now of the woke countries and now parents are taking having to step into this. And thats the only way this stuff is only way that this stuff is going be ended when normal going to be ended when normal people are just waking up to whats having to whats going on and having to take steps. We just normally we just governments just trust our governments to just trust our governments to just this stuff and just get on with this stuff and to fair and whatnot. As you to be fair and whatnot. As you say, 100. Theyre talking about childrens rights. What about say, 100. Theyre talking about chilparents ghts. What about say, 100. Theyre talking about chilparents ghts. Vlts about ridiculous. Thats for part three. Thats it for part three. Coming have richard coming up, we have Richard Curtis saying for telling curtis saying sorry for telling jokes. Sumo wrestler sorry jokes. Sumo wrestler say sorry for ovenneight. New york for being ovenneight. New york museum. Say sorry for displaying natural im sorry. Natural history. Im sorry. Thats how it is. And welcome back to headliners for our final segment. So josh, independent now and nepo baby and curator scarlet curtis has been scolding her father. Indeed , Richard Curtis admits indeed, Richard Curtis admits past trail of women was stupid and wrong. Hes being and wrong. Hes being interviewed by his daughter, the cheltenham literature festival, and he said he admitted that rewatching love actually actually made him feel uncomfortable and i just want to agree with him. Not for the same agree with him. Not for the same reason , no, because its reason, no, because its rubbish. All the rest of it is my familys favourite film every time. Im so sorry. Can they be mine . Oh i mean, there were a couple of bits in it when i first watched it that i thought were okay, but it does feel icky to me now. So mawkish. He got into a lot of trouble from notting hill for just being into a lot of trouble from notting hill forjust being so notting hill for just being so middle class and white at the time and at the time i was like in that area in particular, its like ridiculous. Think to some like ridiculous. I think to some extent probably of extent he is probably guilty of some things, but this some of these things, but this idea of fat, fat jokes, thats one of good bits. He says. One of the good bits. He says. Well, says fat jokes. Jokes well, he says fat jokes. Jokes about women arent any longer funny, jokes about funny, like his jokes about women says. Women were never funny, he says. Like got like Renee Zellwegers got a bottom. Size of brazil. Bottom. The size of brazil. Thats not funny. Well, anyway, that was from her book. Book that was from her book. Her book written woman like women written by a woman like women dont about their dont care about their appearance and their weight. I mean, on. I mean, come on. I mean, come on. His diary was a massive hit. Started off column in the started off as a column in the independent, then it independent, i think. Then it was as book, and was published as a book, and then it was made and it was all written by a woman. And he just came in tweaked a little came in and tweaked it a little bit. His biggest tip, bit. And also his biggest tip, i think pretty much his biggest tip was dawn french as the vicar of french is of dibley. Right. Dawn french is literally joke. Thats literally a fat joke. Thats what she is. She is a walking fat joke. She is. Shes lovely and funny. But thats how you know, the joke is, know, thats what the joke is, right . You know, right . That she makes, you know, she of being funny. She had 20 years of being funny. Like, get it. You know like, you know, get it. You know what i mean . Like john candy. I mean, loads of people have made fun themselves out of this. Curtis has given them a curtis has just given them a tweak bit fairy dust tweak and a bit of fairy dust over it. Yeah. Yeah, itd be interesting, though, to know what great what her great, great grandfather, freud, grandfather, sigmund freud, would of all this. Are you would make of all this. Are you serious . Yeah married. Serious . Yeah shes married. Hes married to emma freud. Whos great, great, whos the grand. Great, great, great granddaughter of sigmund. Yeah dawn. Not french. No yeah dawn. Not dawn french. No no, Scarlett Curtis , who no, sorry. Scarlett curtis, who is, like, an absolute classic. Id never heard of her before, but checked wikipedia but i checked her wikipedia out. Shes has curated shes basically. She has curated three anthologies other three anthologies of other peoples essays for feminist essays for penguin. Right. And dyed her hair pink daily mail. Now she fat. And as if shes now she fat. And as if shes not. No shes painfully thin and as if the world is anti semitic enough at the moment. Foreskin restoration surgery. So yeah, this is an exclusive. Although im not sure who else would run it. Good foreskin regeneration be the making of the next medical millionaire. Scientists developed the technique to regrow penis skin in a lab as 40 of circumcised men say they were too young to consent as they grow penis skin. I just want to know if it has to go in the penis. Can i get a snood off the penis. Can i get a snood off the preposterous monkey . Oh yes. Yeah okay. Thats one way to keep the thermostat down. Yeah. Yeah halloween parties. I could spit milk out of it, but yeah, its interesting. I mean, its its interesting. I mean, its amazing what they can do because at the moment theyve got surgical reattachment where they take skin from another part of your attach it to your body and attach it to the penis to make it. I dont know why anybody would to do why anybody would want to do this, doesnt look the this, but it doesnt look the same. Yeah, it doesnt add any extra sensation whatnot, but extra sensation or whatnot, but at the moment theyre doing phase in phase two trials. Theyre taking yeah. Yeah. Theyre taking foreskin deceased foreskin donated from deceased men and is. And then men and that is. And then theyre them with theyre recolonising them with rat cells. Oh, i think im just rat cells. Oh, i think im just going to stay jewish. If thats all right. This makes frankenstein like frankenstein. Frankenstein like frankenstein. What if you get one off like some terrible sex attacker . And thats. Ive seen that film. Ive seen that film where it starts, you know, im sure there used to be lots of old filthy jokes where somebody has a skin graft from a foreskin and theres a consequence like the arm goes cant remember arm goes up. I cant remember there murderer or there was a murderer or something, get like a something, like they get like a spare or something. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, sumo news now, josh in the times, Japan Airlines say they concerns they have concerns, concerns that Scarlett Curtis wouldnt find indeed. Find very funny indeed. No , no, no. Therell be yeah, no, no, no. Therell be no curtis films about this one. No sumo wrestlers present a weighty problem for Japan Airlines because japanese tend to be people tend to be quite in shape , not just small like, but shape, not just small like, but also, you know, with a low body mass index or whatever you call it, diet, healthy diet. Yes. You know, rice and whatnot. Exactly 70kg. Whereas on average, whereas sumo wrestlers are about 120kg, they saw that they had a whole plane booked and they kind of freaked out and they were like, we need two planes because theyre not going to be able to carry enough fuel. And its a short airline. On the upside, sumo wrestlers probably dont have much baggage, do they . Little roll up, matt , do baggage, do they . Little roll up, matt, do you think its sort of monastic, like theyre like pp of monastic, like theyre like pop stars in japan, so they know they might have a lot and they might have a lot of and theyve got bigger bags, bigger clothes. Not clothes. Japan airlines have not flown. But flown. Japan airlines, but their seats same size as seats are the same size as regular airlines. Right. They dont tiny. Regular airlines. Right. They dorit tiny. Regular airlines. Right. They dorit depends tiny. Regular airlines. Right. They dorit depends if ny. Regular airlines. Right. They dorit depends if they build them it depends if they build them there or if they build them. No they might be smaller. They might yeah yeah. They might be. Yeah yeah. Have flown . You must have you flown . You must struggle economy anyway. Struggle in economy anyway. Do you. Asia is you. Yeah. In Southeast Asia is a in economy a nightmare. In economy its yeah, brutal. Like yeah, its brutal. Its like its of inches shorter. Its a couple of inches shorter. Is on planes . I remember is it on planes . I remember travelling by bus travelling around there by bus a lot like in my hitchhiking days, you know. It was ridiculous. You know. And it was ridiculous. Like journey, like five like long journey, like five hours the of thailand hours up the length of thailand with your under your chin, with your knees under your chin, condoms , eyes different. Condoms, eyes is a different. But for me, it didnt yes, but for me, it didnt matter. M atter. Matter. Snood sizes so the express now leo human remains removed from prestigious new yorker dress as scandal grows around previous occupants. So top museum has removed human bodies from a display after a walk backlash against exhibition. So backlash against exhibition. So this is the president of the American Museum of Natural History , which is a collection history, which is a collection of about 12,000 dead human remains, which seems like a lot. Thatis remains, which seems like a lot. That is a lot of foreskins. Thats a lot. Yeah. And it includes skeletons from indigenous and enslaved people as well as bodies of new yorkers collected as recently as the 19405. Collected as recently as the 1940s. So, i mean, if its indigenous and enslaved people, its signed its not people who signed a consent to be in a museum. Consent form to be in a museum. So thats the issue. And also reading between the lines, it sounds like some these sounds like some of these artefacts were in displays which discussed how these people were small or their cranial capacities suggested a low. But you just did with japanese people. Yeah exactly. Yeah. But i think that was the nature of it, right . It was that what they might call human biodiversity, which amounts to racism essentially, right. Right. We to think that that stuffs on display now. Is it is it thats on actually on display to the public on now or is it more that was. No, but even up to that it was. No, but even up to recently is it stuff that is recently or is it stuff that is just they have held on to that was it was displayed in the past. I think theyre saying that these these artefacts were part of scientific you of a of a scientific racism. You know that kind of mindset know when that kind of mindset held they are held sway. And so they are tainted that. But it is tainted by that. But it is a shame. I dont know whether theyre being chucked into a skip or whether theyre just being quite dont chuck them into skip. Be like, being quite dont chuck them intoyoulliip. Be like, being quite dont chuck them intoyoull be be like, being quite dont chuck them intoyoull be happy be like, being quite dont chuck them intoyoull be happy be ithis. Oh, youll be happy with this. People were chucking in people were chucking it in a skip the back. Dont worry. Skip at the back. Dont worry. Yeah. Theyve them yeah. No, theyve donated them to museum. So there to the british museum. So there are to be sold on ebay. Are going to be sold on ebay. That will be interest to bid for those. I remember a fella dying and bequeathing the and bequeathing his skull to the royal he Royal Shakespeare company. He wanted in future wanted to play yorick in future hamlet, for a while. Hamlet, and he did for a while. And the actors got freaked and then the actors got freaked out by it and demanded that they replace him. Was one . Replace him. Was he one . Finally, josh mirror first finally, josh the mirror first wrestling. Wildlife wrestling. Now bbc wildlife is fixed. What we exactly what strictly what we exactly what can we believe anymore . Surely we all this. Bbcs hamza we all knew this. Bbcs hamza yassin some wildlife yassin admits some wildlife scenes are faked to gain viewers sympathy. Yeah, and i think we all kind of knew that. I mean, theyve got to be careful about how do it. They do it how they do it. They do it subtly with the editing little subtly with the editing a little bit, also they show. Bit, but also what they show. Yes they can sort of yes and then they can sort of pull everythings good pull back and everythings good and its bad. And often what you and its quite often what you see is like a chase sequence, isnt it . And then the thing gets away at the last minute and you think, oh, thank goodness. But pause at some but most of us pause at some point go. Other hand, point and go. On the other hand, sometimes is going to sometimes times he is going to have catch one those or have to catch one of those or the leopard will be extinct the snow leopard will be extinct for a rabbit. And for the sake of a rabbit. And i dont think that would be a good outcome. Yeah, and they dont go into burrow. Theyll have into a real burrow. Theyll have a a vivarium that they a burrow, a vivarium that they can film through the side of and all the rest of it. Vivarium did you just throw that in as if it was like just like one of your regular daily words . What you keep in. That right . Keep gerbils in. Is that right . Vivarium yeah. For vivarium nicely, yeah. For a gerbil area, but some of them impose absurdly impose more absurdly like sophisticated impose more absurdly like sophisdonti impose more absurdly like sophisdont they . Do you know others dont they . Do you know what i mean . Like theres a little scuttle like lassie. Yeah anyway, a wonderful anyway, its been a wonderful show this evening. Im very grateful to my guests. It is nearly over. Lets take another quick look at tuesdays front pages. We kick off with the pages. So we kick off with the daily mail. Violent prisoners to be let out early. The guardian, be let out early. The guardian, gaza humanity crisis grows as us bid to ease blockade falters as Financial Times us led push to open gaza crossing falters as biden weighs israel visit the times. Teenage sisters among britains missing in gaza for the mirror invaders will face tunnel bloodbath and the daily star. Lets have a heated debate star. Lets have a heated debate right about the old thermostat. Right about the old thermostat. Well, those were your front pages. Well, those were your front pages. Thats all we have time pages. Thats all we have time for. Thank pages. Thats all we have time for. Thank you to my pages. Thats all we have time for. Thank you to my guest, josh for. Thank you to my guest, josh howie and leo kearse. Ill be back tomorrow with Lewis Schaffer and adam bloom. So that schaffer and adam bloom. So that is bound to be some, what, chaotic. If youre watching at 5 am, stay tuned for breakfast. A. M, stay tuned for breakfast. Othennise thank you very much for your company. As fighting with hamas continues i very good morning to you. Its just gone 6 00 in the united kingdom. Its tuesday, the 17th of october. And youre watching breakfast on gb news with eamonn and isabel. Youre very welcome. Wherever youre watching or listening, leading the this morning, leading the news this morning, us President Joe Biden will visit tomorrow to visit israel tomorrow to reaffirm us solidarity and negotiate an opening of the border to get civilians out and aid