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Nationalists, whose Party Conference starts today in aberdeen, are employed coding, which could ease labours path to victory next year. What future for the conservatives if they were to find themselves ousted from power in a years time . The influential onward think tank has published the first of several papers urging the party to reject liz trusss brand of libertarianism that seems to have such a hold on the membership. Ill speak to the membership. Ill speak to the reports co author. Aside from reports co author. Aside from politics and trains , as im politics and trains, as im probably best known for my love of wagner, but do i perhaps overlook a golden generation of engush overlook a golden generation of english composers who led the world in Classical Music at the beginning of the last century . Thats the view of historian and journalist simon heffer , who journalist simon heffer, who will join me to extol the lesser known sir arthur bliss , the known sir arthur bliss, the subject a new biography and subject of a new biography and another titan of englands cultural life. Stefan kyriazis will be here to tell me what theatre we should be buying later in the programme. A darling of londons society will be in the studio. Henry conway be in the studio. Henry conway will give us a glimpse of the high life and offer practical advice on how to throw the perfect party. But before all of that, here are your latest news headunes that, here are your latest News Headlines with Elizabeth Callaghan. Callaghan. Good morning. Its a few good morning. Its a few minutes past 11 00. Im Elizabeth Callaghan in the newsroom. Thousands of newsroom. Thousands of palestinians continue to flee south as the israeli Prime Minister tells his troops the next stage is coming. Its military is attacking hamas by sea and air in gaza and preparing for a ground offensive. There are reports from the Israeli Defence force saying hamas is stopping civilians from leaving. It comes as the hamas leader met with irans foreign minister in qatar, where they agreed to continue to cooperation. The us president , joe biden, has reiterated his unwavering support to israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. Minister benjamin netanyahu. Speaking last night, the us president said hate had caused the conflict. A week ago we saw a hate manifest test in another way in the worst massacre jewish people since the holocaust. People since the holocaust. More than 1300 innocent lives lost in israel, including at least 27 americans children and grandparents alike, kidnapped , grandparents alike, kidnapped, held hostage by hamas. The held hostage by hamas. The humanitarian crisis in gaza is innocent palestinian families , innocent palestinian families, and the vast majority have nothing to do with hamas. Nothing to do with hamas. Theyre being used as human shields. The Foreign Office is shields. The Foreign Office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah Border Crossing is opened. Its currently the only route out of the territory. A third out of the territory. A third government charter flight carrying britons from the country has departed. Prime minister rishi sunak has vowed to always stand with israel. Foreign secretary James Cleverly told gb news the uk government are doing everything they can to get british nationals trapped in gaza. Get british nationals trapped in gaza. A safe passage out. Gaza. A safe passage out. We have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the Egyptian Government, with the Egyptian Government, and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing. Now, thatis reopen the rafah crossing. Now, that is the Border Crossing between Southern Gaza and egypt at the moment. That is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. We will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open and that is, of course, making humanity korean and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult. Difficult. Meanwhile, the shadow foreign secretary has said the rise in anti semitism in the uk is abysmal and schoolchildren should feel safe to go to school. David lammy , whose school. David lammy, whose constituency has a large jewish community, told gb news they should feel safe and be protected by law. He also said the advice from police is that jewish schools can open. Jewish schools can open. The rise in anti semitism is abysmal. We must stand up to this hate. The idea that there this hate. The idea that there are schoolchildren not attending school through fear , not wearing school through fear, not wearing uniform through fear, people taking off the star of. David taking off the star of. David hiding, pretending that they are not of jewish faith is entirely unacceptable. Bill and i stand unacceptable. Bill and i stand in soledar charity with jewish communities at this time who must have the full protection of the law onto some Entertainment News now and madonna has kicked off her delayed celebration tour in london following a Serious Health scare. The 65 year old had to postpone on the start date from july after she was admitted to intensive care with a near fatal bacterial affection. She told the audience she didnt think she was going to make it and credited her children with helping her to recover. The singer also urged her fans to unite as she expressed her sadness over the israel hamas sadness over the israel Hamas Conflict sadness over the israel Hamas Conflict. Conflict. It breaks my heart to see child in suffering teenager is suffering. Elderly people suffering. Elderly people suffering. All of it is heartbreaking. You feel helpless, right . What can we heartbreaking. You feel helpless, right . What can we do . Helpless, right . What can we do . Theres a lot we can do. Theres a lot we can do. Theres a lot we can do. First and foremost , we theres a lot we can do. First and foremost, we can say. I can first and foremost, we can say. I can make a first and foremost, we can say. I can make a difference say. I can make a difference because i individually , we can because i individually, we can bnng because i individually, we can bring light to the world with my actions , with my words. Actions, with my words. Each and every day. Each and every day. Each and every day. This is gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to michael. Now its back to michael. Thank you. Elizabeth callaghan. Sir keir starmer was under pressure to deliver a morale boosting speech and a rallying cry as he appeared at his maybe last Party Conference before next years general election. The labour leader stylishly breezed through a glitter bomb attack from a left wing activist by removing his blazer , rolling up his sleeves blazer, rolling up his sleeves and projecting a can do spirit that hell want voters to remember as they step into the polling stations. But is itjust polling stations. But is it just a shimmery projection or can he change the effectiveness of government in this country to deliver for people not least by building the million and a half homes hes promised . The homes that hes promised . The scottish nationalists are in a mess. Theyve been routed in a house of commons by election and one of their westminster mps has defected tories, of defected to the tories, both of which are oddly good labour. Which are oddly good for labour. The first minister, hamza yusuf, has travelled to aberdeen while his law are stuck in his parents in law are stuck in gaza. Party conference is gaza. His Party Conference is meant to resolve whether the snp will claim after the westminster general election a mandate for another independence referendum to reflect on the politics of the moment. Ive got a Superstar Panel of aubrey allegretti, senior Political Correspondent at the guardian. Alice denby , at the guardian. Alice denby, who is author and editor of who is an author and editor of the capex website. And charlie rowley, who worked government rowley, who worked in government as a special adviser to michael gove. Welcome back to all three of you. Alice as i think most people think that the National Health service doesnt work , the Health Service doesnt work, the trains dont work, the prisons dont work. Nothing can be built in this country. Was it satisfactory that keir starmer did not have a plan for fundamental reform of the Public Sector . Yeah, absolutely. I think it was a case of all that glitters is not gold. For speech, is not gold. For his speech, i thought he did a very good job of of stepping up the of sort of stepping up to the moment. Certainly moment. I think he certainly sounded Prime Ministerial, but beneath the detail there was really little substance really very little substance to what mean, think what he said. I mean, i think its welcome that hes its very welcome that hes pledging 1. 5 million pledging to build 1. 5 million more succeeds , that more homes if he succeeds, that will brilliant. But wheres will be brilliant. But wheres the detail how hes going to the detail of how hes going to do if look what do it . And if you look at what policies announced, hes policies he has announced, hes got non dom tax and vat on got a non dom tax and vat on private school fees, both of which fairly which i think are fairly unlikely to raise much unlikely to raise as much revenue claiming. Im revenue as hes claiming. So im afraid this is just back to old labour spend. Labour tax and spend. Alex, of course, one understands opposition understands that an opposition an expose itself an doesnt want to expose itself too policies an doesnt want to expose itself too attacked policies an doesnt want to expose itself too attacked. Policies an doesnt want to expose itself too attacked. But policies an doesnt want to expose itself too attacked. But i policies an doesnt want to expose itself too attacked. But i thinkicies an doesnt want to expose itself too attacked. But i think my; get attacked. But i think my fear is not so much that they havent worked out the detail of this or that, but that labour has no idea of the scale of the challenge. A mess this challenge. What what a mess this country is in. Think is true. And i think this is true. And when at nhs, again, when you look at nhs, again, a very welcome words about reforming and about looking again model. But really again at the model. But really it complete overhaul , it needs a complete overhaul, not boosting capacity and not just boosting capacity and tackling the waiting lists. And i dont really see any evidence that that labour has that that labour really has going to up to that moment going to step up to that moment and that. And do that. You were up there in charlie, you were up there in liverpool. And youve told me by liverpool. And youve told me by message that you thought it was a pretty successful conference, but successfully in what sense . Successful in that theyre on the way to victory or successful in the sense that they know whats country . Whats needed for the country . Both you know, the i think both you know, the atmosphere was buoyant. Atmosphere was buoyant. Everybody was enjoying themselves. Did feel like a themselves. It did feel like a party that was ever more closer to getting back into power after 13 years of opposition. And i think i agree with alex. You know, the narrative in terms of what keir starmer put out what sir keir starmer put out there to right. It there seemed to be right. It seemed the seemed to chime with the country. Articulated country. He articulated the problems , but we didnt really problems, but we didnt really see solution. So, you know, see the solution. So, you know, 1. 5 million homes, thats all very government very well. Well, this government committed 1 homes by committed to 1 million homes by the the parliament. Its the end of the parliament. Its achieved you know, is achieved that. So you know, is there much between the two parties . Sir keir starmer then unpacked that housing policy a bit over the coming days by saying that hed ride roughshod over communities to just over local communities to just build. How will that impact build. Now, how will that impact on the by election in mid bedfordshire tamworth mid bedfordshire and in tamworth where local where youve got local communities local communities and local authorities are responsible authorities who are responsible for approving those for effectively approving those planning permissions and where local people might not want the housing in place. Well housing thats in place. Well have to wait and see how that plays least mentioned at least starmer mentioned housing. Rishi sunak i think did not. And we know that so many young people are quite rightly obsessed with housing. But not only people, their only the young people, their parents their grandparents parents and their grandparents as starmer steal as well. So starmer did steal a march on the tories there. Do you think . You think . I think it did. And i think look , sir keir obviously thought look, sir keir obviously thought that this was the speech of his life. It could be the last time that the country sees him before a election on a national a general election on a national stage. Platform set stage. Having a platform to set out and labours out labours view and labours narrative of how they would govern. But i think govern the country. But i think what well see what i hope what well see from what i hope well sunak over what well see from what i hope weiweeks sunak over what well see from what i hope weiweeks and sunak over what well see from what i hope weiweeks and months1nak over what well see from what i hope weiweeks and months ahead er what well see from what i hope weiweeks and months ahead in the weeks and months ahead in the weeks and months ahead in the up general election the run up to a general election is of policy is the drumbeat of policy announcements that the announcements that when the pubuc announcements that when the public engaged , public become more engaged, because i think theres still a lot political apathy out because i think theres still a lot at litical apathy out because i think theres still a lot at the al apathy out because i think theres still a lot at the minute, iy out because i think theres still a lot at the minute, people there at the minute, people arent engaged in whats happening so in a happening in politics. So in a drumbeat until the general drumbeat up until the general election, well see more election, i think well see more announcements from the Prime Minister and the conservative party like party that addresses things like housing, the cost of housing, child care, the cost of living, might just be living, and that might just be at when public are at a time when the public are engaged think twice engaged and might think twice about voting for conservatives again. Again. Aubrey have my bee in aubrey do you have my bee in my bonnet about the need for fundamental reform . Is it do you think theres a body of Public Opinion that thinks that both parties of missing the parties are kind of missing the point at moment, that so point at the moment, that so much wrong, so much needs to much is wrong, so much needs to be put right and nobody seems to have that. Have any answers to that. He certainly i think he certainly diagnosed right problems. Diagnosed the right problems. But when you look , for example, but when you look, for example, at that word cloud that he was presented people presented with of what people think about him, which was dominated word nothing, dominated by the word nothing, you cannot in 12 months time have that out as the sort of first thing that people think about you going into a general election. So you have election. So you do have to start braver and bolder start being braver and bolder and advocating detailed and advocating more detailed policy. Now, obviously, labours and advocating more detailed policy worried jbviously, labours and advocating more detailed policy worried that usly, labours and advocating more detailed policy worried that the, labours really worried that the conservatives could potentially steal some of their policies and i think the conservative us know that certainly issue that certainly on an issue like planning , they it a very planning, they find it a very thorny topic, but it is something theyre going to inevitably have to address if they attract younger they want to attract younger voters. Whether or not keir voters. But whether or not keir starmer really of keep starmer can really sort of keep his party in line, i thought this conference showed he absolutely can, which gives him the base to be able to build and be of bolder, more be that sort of bolder, more articulate version of what hes going because as you going to do. Because as you rightly as well, some of rightly said as well, some of the policies, the sort of spending policies, the sort of spending policies, the about the money the stuff about the money theyre to be able to theyre going to be able to recoup wide scale recoup to pay for the wide scale pubuc recoup to pay for the wide scale Public Service reform that you talked that still isnt at talked about that still isnt at the scale required. The scale required. No, mean, labour does look no, i mean, labour does look like hungry for like a party thats hungry for power, is a very necessary power, which is a very necessary precondition. Theyre showing precondition. So theyre showing the discipline that would enable them take office. In your them to take office. In your sense, where are we now . Are we talking about how big the labour majority might be . Or are we talking about whether they would have an majority at all . Have an overall majority at all . Where do you think labour thinks it is . Theres a lot that can so theres a lot that can change in the next of 12, change in the next sort of 12, 13 months obviously we have 13 months and obviously we have all to january 2025 all the way up to january 2025 of the conservatives wish to go that long and know that labour that long and i know that labour hq say theyre for hq say theyre preparing for a may election because theyd be silly wouldnt they . In silly not to. Wouldnt they . In terms size of a potential terms of the size of a potential majority , i think were looking majority, i think were looking at probably the sort of swing that you would see had outshone what tony blair achieved , but what tony blair achieved, but theres so much to play theres still so much to play for because that would only give them, think, majority of one them, i think, a majority of one or theyve got a huge or so. So theyve got a huge amount to make whether or amount to make up. So whether or not really pull off, not they can really pull it off, i you need i think you still need to convince some labour that convince some labour people that theyre seeing sort of the theyre not seeing a sort of the kind hunger and appetite that kind of hunger and appetite that they saw in 2015 when they thought they were quite close to clinching it. Then theyre coming from even further behind now. E but there thats true, but there are two ive two preconditions. One ive mentioned, labour mentioned, which is that labour is and is hungry for power and discipline other is that discipline and the other is that the conservatives so defeatist. Absolutely. I mean, you wonder conservative party wonder around conservative Party Conference and you can sort of feel i mean, someone described it as like a wake, right . It to me as like a wake, right . They knew which they sort of knew which direction. The direction. They felt like the wind but there wind was blowing in, but there was sort of celebratory was still a sort of celebratory mood people were mood to it. Very few people were sort we think sort of openly saying, we think the going to lose the government is going to lose the government is going to lose the election. But all the next election. But all the sort of background the sort of background music, the posturing from leadership candidates and i spoke to a lot of councillors as well who were expecting to potentially lose more local more seats in the local elections may. All of that elections in may. All of that kind of build up the background to election is not to the next election is not playing favourably. Playing favourably. Alice i think its very important about important to talk about scotland, is scotland, partly because it is an of the united an important part of the United Kingdom snp is having kingdom and the snp is having its conference at moment its conference at the moment and also because plays very much also because it plays very much into were talking into the subject were talking about majority about what kind of majority might labour expect to get. This might labour expect to get. This is to some extent dependent on the performance of the snp. What the performance of the snp. What would your analysis of that would be your analysis of that party as it goes into its Conference Today . Conference today . I mean, i think as you said at the top, the snp is in a complete mess. They are facing multiple challenges and multiple legal challenges and their support is collapsing. Their support is collapsing. Theres a huge swing in a recent by election to labour. I think the thing the fascinating thing about scottish politics is that in of the desire for in terms of the desire for independence , that hasnt really independence, that hasnt really changed. Theres a kind of fairly solid sort of 42 ish support for independence. Its support for independence. Its in scotland and that doesnt really seem to shift what has shifted is now many more people who they would support an who say they would support an independent scotland are now feeling likely vote. Feeling more likely to vote. Labour and so i think thatll be a interesting a really interesting how that plays general election. Plays out in a general election. But yeah, you say, i think but yeah, as you say, i think labour very likely take labour very likely to take a large number of seats in scotland. Picking on scotland. And just picking up on what we were saying about the conservative conference, conservative Party Conference, i think there conservative Party Conference, i thin that there conservative Party Conference, i thin that of there conservative Party Conference, i thin that of the there was that most of the intellectual was intellectual action was happening on the fringes. Its people fighting for the ideological of the party ideological heart of the party from opposition, whereas in labour it all very much on labour it was all very much on the coming, the stage and coming, being dnven the stage and coming, being driven leadership and driven from the leadership and charlie, is supposed to charlie, the snp is supposed to work today what kind of work out today what kind of general election result for them would constitute a mandate for calling for an independence referendum. Referendum. I wonder whether many people will think this is the most cunous will think this is the most curious debate to be having while while the party is in a state of collapse and while the charges over their their charges hang over their their former first minister. And so on. And theyre really going to come of come out with some kind of formula, seems. I think i formula, it seems. I think i would have thought to most scottish was not currently independence was not currently on the agenda. What do you think . I think thats absolutely right. Think its, you right. And i think its, you know, and never know, a credit. And i never thought this, thought id say this, but a credit sturgeon to credit to Nicola Sturgeon to demonstrate just what a great communicator politician demonstrate just what a great comishe icator politician demonstrate just what a great comishe was, politician demonstrate just what a great comishe was, even politician demonstrate just what a great comishe was, even though cian that she was, even though i fundamentally disagree her fundamentally disagree with her and up the and wanted to break up the union. But you know, youre absolutely right. The snp are in total freefall, lost two by election, totally obliterated. And you know, not. And you know, theyre not articulate saying i think the issues that really matter to people you know people which is you know education you know scotland is always falling down the League Tables to tables when it comes to education. Theres a huge drug problem in scotland. And i think, you know, youre seeing snp vote with their feet as snp mps vote with their feet as to what party is going to be able to deal with these issues andits able to deal with these issues and its lisa cameron coming to able to deal with these issues and conservativeseron coming to able to deal with these issues and conservatives becauseing to able to deal with these issues and conservatives because sheto the conservatives because she obviously thats the obviously thinks that thats the party keep the keep party that will keep the keep the together and under the country together and under the country together and under the of people to be the best group of people to be able and tackle with the able to deal and tackle with the problems country faces. Problems that the country faces. Aubrey trend on possibly a lighter note , what do you make lighter note, what do you make about the revelations of the extent of power that that Carrie Johnson wielded , at least johnson wielded, at least according to the cabinet secretary . Simon case and his Text Messages that have been revealed . Its extraordinary , isnt it, its extraordinary, isnt it, because it sort of plays into everything that Dominic Cummings has been drip feeding us via his blog for several years. But to see of frankness of the see the sort of frankness of the explanation expressed not just by him but by simon case , who is by him but by simon case, who is who was and is the cabinet secretary, i think its obviously a sort of partial, one sided view, a very sort of small group chat. There are those that think that if Carrie Johnson wants to defend herself , then wants to defend herself, then she should be called up to the covid and asked sort covid inquiry and asked to sort of and see if wants of explain and see if she wants to push against any of to push back against any of those to push back against any of tho i to push back against any of thoi mean, so i think i mean, so far, i think commentators have been commentators have just been sort of this. I mean, of having fun with this. I mean, it as serious it struck me as a very serious matter that the cabinet secretary was sending that sort of message around. Previous of message around. No previous cabinet secretary would have done anything sort. I done anything of the sort. I mean, made me think mean, afraid it made me think very that the man is wholly very much that the man is wholly unsuited job. Alice unsuited for the job. Alice what do you think . Not thrilled i mean, im not thrilled about are supposed be about men who are supposed to be being in charge of the country dunng being in charge of the country during blaming a woman during a crisis, blaming a woman and one who and an unelected one who cant defend yes, defend herself. But yes, i agree. Text messages give agree. These Text Messages give us a window into the utter chaos and lack of grip that was being exerted during during the pandemic. And i think that comes from the Prime Minister as well as from his cabinet secretary, who appointed crony. Who he appointed as a crony. Right. Excellent last point. Thank you very much, dear panellists. Marvellous job. Thank you. Charlie rowley, alice denby and aubrey allegretti. Now that weve discussed labour and the scottish nationalists, after the scottish nationalists, after the break, ill be asking what future for the conservative party . A new report from the influential tank onward party . A new report from the influout al tank onward party . A new report from the influout al option. K onward party . A new report from the influout al option. Oneward party . A new report from the influout al option. One ofrd party . A new report from the influout al option. One of the sets out one option. One of the authors me in a few authors joins me in a few minutes. Minutes. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. Its a rather chilly met office. Its a rather chilly start to the day for many of us, but is a decent of but there is a decent amount of sunshine that is thanks to this area High Pressure that is area of High Pressure that is situated the do situated across the uk. But do nofice situated across the uk. But do notice are some features notice there are some features moving the top of moving across the top end of that pressure so that High Pressure system. So some outbreaks rain some showery outbreaks of rain for northern scotland will be a cloudier might see cloudier day here. Might see some of those showers pushing slightly further southwards into other coastal districts. But a lot of northern ireland, england and dry with a and wales will be dry with a decent amount of sunshine. Decent amount of sunshine. Temperatures struggling, though not higher than 9 to not seeing much higher than 9 to 12 c for many of us. So rather cold. If you are stepping outside and the fine conditions will continue into this evening and overnight, though , the and overnight, though, the showers across northern scotland will towards the will ease back more towards the coastal and all of coastal districts and all of inland areas will stay dry. Isolated mist and fog patches forming overnight and temperatures again will be dropping chilly one dropping off. Pretty chilly one for most of us. Rural frosts certainly possible once again across central southern scotland and into northern england. Well and into northern england. Well be a bit more cloud around on monday , skies bit milkier monday, so skies a bit milkier any sunshine that we do get will be but some sunshine still be hazy, but some sunshine still trying to its way through be hazy, but some sunshine still trytimes. Its way through be hazy, but some sunshine still trytimes. Showers way through be hazy, but some sunshine still trytimes. Showers perhaps1gh be hazy, but some sunshine still trytimes. Showers perhaps now at times. Showers perhaps now pushing far southeast pushing into the far southeast of england , some still across of england, some still across northern where it will northern scotland where it will also be a touch breezier. The breeze strengthening breeze also strengthening across southwest. Temperatures breeze also strengthening across southelst. Temperatures breeze also strengthening across southe up. Temperatures breeze also strengthening across southe up by. Temperatures breeze also strengthening across southe up by a. Temperatures breeze also strengthening across southe up by a degreenperatures breeze also strengthening across southe up by a degreenpwso tures breeze also strengthening across southe up by a degreenpwso,. Ures breeze also strengthening across southe up by a degreenpwso, but. May be up by a degree or so, but still than 12 to still not much higher than 12 to 13 c. So being much more unsettled, arriving as we head into the half the into the second half of the week, though, heavy rain news. The peoples channel, britains news channel. Britains news channel. Welcome back. A sense of gloom pervades conservative circles as mps await the fall of the axe. The terminations of parliamentary careers that may occur at next years general election. Since the tories trailed dismally in the polls at conference a week ago, the party displayed its factions one of the most powerful, led by an unrepentant liz truss. Although being expelled from 10 downing street after only 49 days may be seen as a personal setback. Her brand of libertarian free market boosterism remains a popular cocktail that inebriates tory enthusiasts this week a powerful counterblast to her ideas was published in a report by the onward think tank the case for conservatism argues that the party must use the levers of the state to rebuild the country with an explicit national industri policy, strong borders and police and support for families. Its the authors are former downing street chief of staff nick timothy and project director, a former special adviser in the brexit department, gavin rice and im very pleased to say that gavin joins me now. Welcome back to gb news. Thank you, michael. What is the solution to the crisis in the National Service . The National Health service . I think one of the most well, i think one of the most important in terms of our important things in terms of our national is National Health service is actually that its actually making sure that its funded and order funded properly and in order to achieve to achieve that, we need to make sure that our economy is growing. One of the real structural problems our structural problems in our society that you society and our economy that you often hear about often dont hear talked about enough our demographic enough is our demographic trends. And one the trends. And one of the challenges a society challenges we face as a society is that were ageing society. Is that were an ageing society. And in many ways thats a good thing because people are living longer theyre more longer and theyre living more healthily. Does mean healthily. But that does mean that that that forecasts suggest that spending on health and pensions and social care are are only going to rise. And that means that a larger spending liability going to rise. And that means th going|rger spending liability going to rise. And that means th going|rg fall|ending liability going to rise. And that means thgoing|rg fallon1ing liability going to rise. And that means th going|rg fall on on; liability going to rise. And that means th going|rg fall on on a iability going to rise. And that means th going|rg fall on on a sortity going to rise. And that means th going|rg fall on on a sort of is going to fall on on a sort of on a compressing or diminishing population on younger taxpayers and on the taxpayers of the future. So the most important thing is to get the economy moving, to productivity up. Moving, to get productivity up. And that that we can have and that means that we can have the tax yields that we can fund the tax yields that we can fund the Public Services people the Public Services that people need future, but no need of the future, but no reform of the Health Service. Yeah, reform is yeah, i think reform is something that government of something that any government of left going have left or right is going to have to into. Clearly, the to look into. Clearly, the situation people situation in which people cant get a doctors appointment in which reform it . Which how would you reform it . Well, we have two well, i mean, we have two reports that are yet to come out. One on the economy and one on social and cultural policy. So not going dive into so im not going to dive into specific recommendations so im not going to dive into specifi mean, recommendations so im not going to dive into specifi mean, think mendations so im not going to dive into specifi mean, thinkmend. Are1s now. I mean, i think there are definitely side things definitely supply side things that definitely supply side things tha i definitely supply side things thai mean, the reason ask you i mean, the reason i ask you is have thought peoples is i would have thought peoples priorities the moment were priorities at the moment were basically that nothing works in britain, thats the britain, or at least thats the perception. Whether perception. You know, whether youre trying to youre talking about trying to get or you just get things built out or you just see the shambles of or see the shambles of hs2 or whether youre trying to run the Health Service the prisons Health Service or the Prisons Service , i mean, itjust all service, i mean, itjust all looks such a mess. The civil looks such a mess. The Civil Service doesnt function in the way it used to, but i way that it used to, but i didnt get the that you didnt get the feeling that you thought reform of the Public Sector was important. From the report sector was important. From the reprell, i think reform of the well, i think reform of the pubuc well, i think reform of the public deeply Public Sector is deeply important to make sure that services are more responsive to the needs of individuals and taxpayers. But taxpayers and families. But actually, one of the things that is really at the root of this is the fund those the ability to fund those services. A the services. And in a way, the Elephant Room fact elephant in the room is the fact that growth is that per capita growth is extremely in this country. Extremely low in this country. Weve got a really deep productivity seem productivity problem. We seem unable or we lack the unable to grow or we lack the industries that actually have that Growth Potential that could yield more thriving yield a more thriving economy that fund those that we could fund those services that we could fund those senwell, thats exactly. Go with well, thats exactly. Go with your line argument then. Why your line of argument then. Why why . Make the why . How will you make the economy grow how will economy grow faster . How will you productivity grow . You make productivity grow . Think this is one well, i think this is one area where we perhaps differ a little the of the little bit from the sort of the very market libertarian very free market libertarian right who very right of the party who are very wedded idea that simply wedded to this idea that simply cutting taxation will cutting personal taxation will automatically yield transform ative automatically yield transformative productivity growth. No conservative wants taxes to be any higher than they need to be. And what do you believe . Well, so what you need to you need to have a tax to do is you need to have a tax structure that prioritises incentivising investment over consumption. One the consumption. And one of the problems in our problems that we have in our economy is that investment is very, very poor, both the very, very poor, both in the private the Public Private sector and in the Public Sector. Need to sector. So we need to incentivise reinvestment by businesses. You that . Businesses. How do you do that . What does that mean . What what does that mean . What rates or taxes what what tax rates or taxes are changed make that happen . Changed to make that happen . As i say, not well, as i say, im not putting fonnard putting putting fonnard a specific today. Specific recommendation today. We have economic paper yet to we have an economic paper yet to come. As example the come. But as an example of the type thing , i come. But as an example of the type thing, i think much type of thing, i think its much more talk about more important to talk about investment allowances within things Corporation Tax things like Corporation Tax rather than the overall corporation rate. The Corporation Tax rate. The evidence that evidence is pretty clear that its very, know, its its very, you know, its creating the right incentives for investment , for business for investment, for business that drives growth, not simply having a rate of having a lower rate of corporation lower rate Corporation Tax or a lower rate of consumers more of tax for consumers more generally. Another area where generally. Another area where we think conservative firms may need to draw on their traditions , but perhaps some , but perhaps depart from some of theyve been of the thinking theyve been comfortable is comfortable with historically is having a much more proactive approach towards supporting having a much more proactive approach industry,;upporting having a much more proactive approach industry, towards|g domestic industry, towards fostering exports, towards getting the kinds of industries into this country that have the real capacity for productivity growth through technology and through innovation. And at the through innovation. And at the moment we dont have that moment we dont really have that in this to called this used to be called picking used to picking winners and it used to be absolutely derided by conservatives that conservatives who thought that politicians were incapable of picking winners because politicians know about politicians know nothing about how a business. Its what how to run a business. Its what has renewed optimism has given you renewed optimism that politicians can pick winners. Well, i think this is one of the real sort of stereotypes of our british political culture, particularly it comes to economics. Everyones very preoccupied with british leyland from god knows many decades from god knows how many decades ago. I think the reality is that other countries are actually doing time. If doing this all the time. If you look sorts behaviour look at the sorts of behaviour that china engages in to really vigorously and rigorously back its own industry, sometimes in ways which are pretty unscrupulous by the way, but also allies also that our friends and allies such states are such as the United States are doing ira and with the doing with the ira and with the chips and science act. But also, you theres plenty of you know, theres plenty of examples asian examples from the from the asian tiger economies as well. The rest of the world is doing this. And uk is very unusual for and the uk is very unusual for having slightly complain having a very slightly complain recent hands off approach, assuming that magically everythings going to be okay. Which which industries would you which of the you back . Which which of the industries the future . Industries of the future . Think theres a wide well, i think theres a wide range industries weve range of industries that weve got head start on. Things got a good head start on. Things Like Life Sciences , things like Like Life Sciences, things like tech, ai, our tech, things like ai, our innovation is fantastic, but because of the model that we have all too often, the real commercial potential from that innovation ends up getting bought up and sent overseas. You know, Silicon Valley vc investors come in, buy it up and they ship it off to the United States. So we think we need to pursue more pursue strategies to keep more of commercial of the of the commercial potential benefit of those industries here. Weve also actually some more middle actually got some more middle tier Manufacturing Industries that terms are very that in relative terms are very productive for the areas that theyre in. If you look at car manufacturing chemicals, weve got pharmaceutical got fantastic pharmaceutical industry the industry, but we dont do the sorts of strategies that other countries in order to provide countries do in order to provide the right support, the right incentives right rewards the right support, the right incnthose; right rewards the right support, the right incnthose industries ight rewards the right support, the right incnthose industries ,]ht rewards for those industries, particularly to help them to grow and to export to the rest of the world. So give me example. The so give me an example. The first mentioned was first case you mentioned was that have innovation here, that we have innovation here, but fruits of innovation but the fruits of the innovation are different are realised in a different country. Solution to country. Whats the solution to that . That . Well, i mean, i think theres all sorts strategies you can all sorts of strategies you can pursue. I think you need to look pursue. I think you need to look at the look at the investment culture. I mean, if you look at the that were the sorts of things that were pursued in countries south pursued in countries like south korea and japan , they offered korea and japan, they offered levels of state support in the form of credit. Were not form of credit. Were not talking about Nationalising Industries here, but in exchange for certain assurances that those industries would give that they would you know, they would list in that country that they would prioritise employment in that , that they would that country, that they would knock over, productive knock over, sure. Productive capacity and capacity overseas. And that sounds like intervention in the economy. Reality is, if economy. But the reality is, if the rest of the world is doing this, then theres real risk this, then theres a real risk that up getting left that we end up getting left behind. About behind. So its not about nationalising , it Nationalising Industries, but it is a really is about having a really rigorous industrial strategy is about having a really rigor0|in industrial strategy is about having a really rigor0|in the|strial strategy is about having a really rigor0|in the nationalategy is about having a really rigor0|in the National Interest thats in the National Interest to make sure we get the real benefits of our innovation here in. In britain. Is this is worthy this is this is worthy interest eating and serious stuff. What what is in your report that would attract a voter . Well so this is this is big picture stuff. Big picture stuff. What we believe is that if we were to do this, we could actually drive the productivity growth that we get real incomes actually drive the productivity growth real we get real incomes actually drive the productivity growth real household al incomes actually drive the productivity growth real Household Incomes 5s rising, real Household Incomes have not really risen since 2005. Means that the 2005. And that means that the promise of capitalism is not working for too many people. You know, the concern lviv know, sort of the concern lviv deal than the socialist deal rather than the socialist deal rather than the socialist deal a certain amount deal, is that a certain amount of inequality is okay long as of inequality is okay so long as you and the rising you have growth and the rising tide boats. We tide raises all boats. We havent for a long tide raises all boats. We haveni. For a long tide raises all boats. We haveni think for a long tide raises all boats. We haveni think if for a long tide raises all boats. We haveni think if we r a long tide raises all boats. We haveni think if we canlong tide raises all boats. We haveni think if we can get| time. I think if we can get peoples incomes rising , peoples real incomes rising, then people will certainly feel a bought into a lot more bought into into their theres lots their country. But theres lots of other areas we explore as well, as housing. I think well, such as housing. I think thats of the social thats a key part of the social contract missing at the contract that is missing at the present people feel as present time. People feel as though afford though they cant afford a house, start family house, they cant start a family and ladder and get on the housing ladder and get on the housing ladder and. But also areas and have a life. But also areas like immigration, which is something is theres something which is theres a widespread view about two thirds of the population think that thatis of the population think that that is that is far too high. And has been for some time. And that contributes to the housing problems as well. So we feel as though if we were to move towards the views , values and towards the views, values and interests of median voter , interests of the median voter, both in economy and in both in the economy and in social policy, that this could be combination for be a magic combination for Winning Coalition of conservative voters of tomorrow. But it does involve changing our minds things. Minds about some things. Thank you very much, kevin rice and congratulations on completing your report. Now completing your report. Now lets turn our patriotic instincts to the subject of music, because although im a self confessed wagner fan, my next guests are here to extol an era during arguably era during which arguably british composers led the world in Classical Music. The first half of the 20th century saw the emergence in england of composers such as ralph vaughan, williams, gustav holst and hubert parry, whose anthem i was glad has been used by every windsor monarch, including king charles, to inaugurate the coronation ceremonies is among that golden generation of musical talent was sir arthur bliss , the subject of a new bliss, the subject of a new biography by conductor paul spicer , who joins me now. And spicer, who joins me now. And im very pleased to have with me also simon heffer, champion in the world of letters of english, Classical Music. Before we speak to them , lets listen to one of to them, lets listen to one of blisss earliest works called rout, an uproarious piece for soprano and instrumental ensemble. Ensemble. Us balladeer thou know me . Do you . Secondary newsbooks. Do you . Secondary newsbooks. Thats soon gonna aidan magee row de la rhiannon with the news golly ipp a e me your kid is a few too many so you saw the photographs of sir arthur bliss and we were listening to rout. Quite an early composition of his. Simon and paul, welcome to gb news. Simon first of all, would you like to make the overall case for this era of excellence in british . I think largely english Classical Music , largely english Classical Music, well, it coincides really with the foundation. The foundation. In 1883 of the Royal College of music , where bliss was a was of music, where bliss was a was a student , of music, where bliss was a was a student, and parry , whom you a student, and parry, whom you mentioned, and stanford , the mentioned, and stanford, the irish composer who taught a generation of quite spectacular composers. You mentioned Vaughan Williams and holst. Bliss was another moran , Herbert Howells another moran, Herbert Howells and of course, later in the 1930, Benjamin Britten was at the rcm. So we suddenly had this conservatoire that was churning out really original and inspired composers who took as an insult the fact that a german had said that we were a land without music and decided to show that we were allowed that had music wed had no really great composer since purcell died in 1695. And we i think in the first 50 years of the century when the great german tradition, which you and i both love, had slightly gone into eclipse , slightly gone into eclipse, apart from richard strauss, really after the great war, german composition was was not in a good state. France was extremely good. Its the era of Maurice Ravel and lacys. But Maurice Ravel and lacys. But the british are leading the way. In the first 50 years of the century and bliss is one of those. And hes, i think, a much underestimated composer. Underestimated composer. Simon heffer, you wrote a review of the new biography, which is by paul spicer. Paul, why did you want to write about sir arthur bliss . Many of us, sir arthur bliss . Many of us, forgive the pun, our blissfully unaware of him. Unaware of him. Well , its true. And well, its true. And actually, funnily enough , i actually, funnily enough, i didnt particularly want to write about him in the first place. I was asked to do it, and i found that despite the fact that this period of music is my specialism and that his music was was the music i almost knew least of these well known british composers at the time. And so the approach that i took in writing the book was to get him to persuade me that he was as great a composer as i rapidly discovered that he was. And he discovered that he was. And he was very unusual all of his time. I mean , simon has just time. I mean, simon has just said it was a period of extra ordinary kind of revolution , ordinary kind of revolution, really in england. It was called the english musical renaissance. The english musical renaissance. And there were so many composers that came out of stanfords teaching room at the Royal College who really one of their special isms, i think, was the fact that they all spoke with a unique voice and some of that reflected a particular englishness , which perhaps we englishness, which perhaps we know best through Vaughan Williams and before him, of course, elgar and bliss was the one who, as ive called the book, actually stood out from the crowd because he faced far more into europe than reflecting the kind of Vaughan Williams gentle revolution that was going on in a kind of more pastoral way. He was particularly way. He was particularly influenced by stravinsky in russia, had the diaghilev, of course, the great ballet impresario , had had brought impresario, had had brought wonderful things to london and bliss saw all these early ballets and was hugely influenced by them. And you could probably hear in that clip you played from rout. I mean, you played from rout. I mean, its almost interchangeable that opening with the opening of stravinskys petrushka. And i stravinskys petrushka. And i think the thing we shouldnt under estimate is that this generation was the First World War generation. And they went war generation. And they went through that terrible period. Through that terrible period. And of course when bliss came out of that, i mean, he had a very distinguished war. He was injured. He was gassed. He lost injured. He was gassed. He lost a favourite brother. Um, and when he came out of it, he really had he felt he had so much catching up to do and he needed to do something, if you like, which said , look , im like, which said, look, im here. Take notice of me. Im a here. Take notice of me. Im a late starter as everybody is, and his music was was different really from pretty well everybody else writing in this country and so from just from that point of view, i found him an absolutely fascinating subject. Subject. And simon heffer , were and simon heffer, were coming towards the end, but how do you react to your rediscovered perhaps of arthur bliss through reviewing this book . Does it shake you in what you regard as the hierarchy of engush you regard as the hierarchy of english music in this period . I would think of you as being a particular advocate of Vaughan Williams. Would i be right . Youre absolutely right, michael. Of course, ive always michael. Of course, ive always thought bliss was a great composer. Actually his colour symphony, which he wrote i think in 1922, which elgar really disliked the first performance of. He thought it was too modern, of. He thought it was too modem, is one of the truly great symphonies in the english canon. In great symphonies in the english canon. In fact, i think its one of the truly great symphonies of the century and i didnt as the 20th century and i didnt as a result of reading, pauls really first class book, i didnt revise my opinion of bliss because it was already quite high. What pauls book did was confirmed to me that perhaps i wasnt alone in this rather eccentric view that bliss was a great composer, and i hope the publication of pauls book and weve got the centenary of blisss death coming up in well, in 2025 that these these factors might promote a greater understanding of his music. And certainly more performances of his music because he is woefully underperformed and may i say to you both, its been an enormous pleasure to discuss on a Television Program the career of sir arthur bliss and the role of engush sir arthur bliss and the role of english music in the early part of the 20th century. And thank you paul spicer and thank you to paul spicer and heffer. After the and simon heffer. After the break, with break, well continue with cultural matters as stefan kyrees the kyrees guides us along the glittering boulevard of british theatre. Stay with co co weeknights from. Six co weeknights from. Six welcome back. Welcome back. During the break, Stefan Kyriazis has entered stage left into the studio as stefan, youve been to see a rerendering of a famous Andrew Lloyd Webber musical. Which one . Musical. Which one . Yes, sunset boulevard. So yes, sunset boulevard. So this actually is one of my favourite absolute favourite scores, but its one of sort of Andrew Lloyd Webbers slightly lesser musicals. Lesser musicals. This ones been creating a lot of excitement, but also possibly controversy because its Nicole Scherzinger starring as the Gloria Swanson role as norma desmond, a faded, slightly grotesque former silent movie star. And we have Nicole Scherzinger, who is a vision of gorgeousness. It should be gorgeousness. It should be pointed out that swanson was 51. Scherzinger is 45. So shes not a young, young woman , but still a young, young woman, but still 45. Today is very different from Nicole Scherzinger has not been seen in a show for a while. Is that right . Is that right . She did cats. She was grizabella in cats. Thats a while ago. Yeah so that was kind of the last major. So shes not known as a musical star, but shes that and shes shes exploring that and shes said very much this is her big chance to show her acting chops as well. Its a jamie lloyd production. So for me, thats if i can see a plastic chair on stage. I i can see a plastic chair on stage. I know i can see a plastic chair on stage. I know its i can see a plastic chair on stage. I know its jamie i can see a plastic chair on stage. I know its jamie lloyd stage. I know its a jamie lloyd show and thats for good and bad reasons. So weve had like an incredible cyrano. He did with james mcavoy, which was staggering. A very, very good staggering. A very, very good seagull with Amelia Clarke and all times plastic chairs on stage, virtually nothing else. Yes. Theres almost no set. Yes. Theres almost no set. No, not there is no set. Its all completely pared back. All completely pared back. You because what . Because were meant to. Because the acting is so good. Because the story is so that we fit in story is so good that we fit in the rest. Is that idea . The rest. Is that the idea . Mean, jamie this this. I mean, jamie lloyd this, he lloyd always does this, so he just back. So just pairs everything back. So the itself breathes or in the play itself breathes or in this case, the musical. This its also taken completely out of time. So there are no sets. Of time. So there are no sets. And we used to have these grand huge previous sets for sunset boulevard. Everybodys in boulevard. So now everybodys in kind luxe casual wear , kind of luxe casual wear, everybodys in black and white and all we have is an enormous cinema screen up the of the cinema screen up the back of the stage and thats used all the way through. The way through. So when the play starts, rolling credits. Starts, we get rolling credits. So in a movie or so like were in a movie or something and then we have lots of wandering with of people wandering around with handheld cameras, which frankly , handheld cameras, which frankly, even Nicole Scherzinger doesnt look the time. And look great. All the time. And they right in peoples they come right up in peoples faces and faces as terrible angles. And its projected on this huge screen. Youre very much its screen. So youre very much its playing with film and stage, but also media. So its also with social media. So its she is a modern star in the sense that shes pouting to the camera very like selfies. But theres still references to cecil b de mille. So that kind of worked for me. Of worked for me. Nicole scherzinger got some rave reviews and some quite ungenerous reviews. Where did you come down . I came slightly to the towards the rave reviews. Shes got a hell of a voice, although i think its sometimes almost a little bit too big. But within the remit of what theyre doing of a very kind of modern ish tik tok kind of celebrity star, she doesit tok kind of celebrity star, she does it phenomenally well. She does it phenomenally well. She does the madness pretty well. Does the madness pretty well. But i mean , i saw glenn close in but i mean, i saw glenn close in 2016 and youll be shocked to know, wept constantly. And this know, wept constantly. And this one i found moving an interest thing. I mean, theres a bit where it goes out on the street, but were watching them and they go on the hes singing go on the street. Hes singing joe gillis character and comes back in the theatre. So its tremendously entertaining. Shes tremendously entertaining. Shes tremendously good and tremendously good and tremendously entertaining. It tremendously entertaining. It didnt quite feel, but i really , didnt quite feel, but i really, really enjoyed and admired it. Really enjoyed and admired it. Lets turn our mind to a new movie starring Anthony Hopkins and johnny flynn. They are both playing the part of nicholas winton. Nicholas winton, of course, the man who organised the kinder transport, which brought so many jewish people to britain just before the second world war. Lets lets see a clip. Save one life, save the world. But forgive me, but how many children are we speaking about . Can i ask, is there anyone in the audience tonight who owes their life to nicholas winton. Their life to nicholas winton. Well , of course, most well, of course, most extraordinarily moving theme and again, the timing is extraordinary. Yes. What did you make of it . Yes. What did you make of it . Yes. What did you make of it . Its it knows what its doing. So its going for the emotions, but its tremendously powerful. Two beautiful performances from flynn and hopkins. Hopkins in particular, hopkins. Hopkins in particular, who sometimes he plays kind of these edgier, slightly psycho characters with that kind of very gaze. And this time very cold gaze. And this time its a much warmer its lovely its a much warmer its a lovely performance. Its very, very it pulls it moves you. I pulls you in and it moves you. I mean, you cant absolutely cant fail to be moved by that moment. Is ransome is there 1988, esther ransome thats life moment. When they ask everybody in the audience is anybody here owe their life to this man . And the goosebumps now the entire audience stood deeply, deeply moving. They recreate that scene in the film beautifully and the european premiere on friday. I think we have a clip. They actually did the same. They were family members and other people in the audience, and they asked them to stand i weve stand again and i think weve got look at got that we can take a look at lets look at that. Lets have a look at that. There is anybody else in this room owes life to room who owes their life to nicholas winton, bay, please nicholas winton, the bay, please. Stand josh many years. Then after that was first attempted to ask the audience to stand if they owed their lives to nicholas winton. Many years later, the same kind of result. Well, also because he saved 669 children for nominal but also they have descendants. So you know, its exponentially increased from there. So tremendously moving. The film is tremendously moving. The film is very timely. Again migrants, refugees, all these problems, racial tensions happening as we know at the moment in the east. So its powerful and its relevant. But also, he points relevant. But also, he points out, you know, we know from the story, the netherlands had closed its borders to jewish people. No other countries apart from sweden took any of the children, the usa, everybody turned it down. The last train that was going to leave on, i think the 1st of september 1939, a 250 children lined up train didnt leave to survive the war. So its incredibly powerful. Still incredibly relevant. Helena Bonham Carter is fabulous, as always in the film. But its beautiful. And yes, its a bit schmaltzy, but its so important. Its a bit schmaltzy, but its so important. Its a its a bit schmaltzy, but its so important. Its a glorious, so important. Its a glorious, glorious film. Glorious film. Marvellous. Now i want you to know when you come on here and recommend things people listen to you, or certainly i do good. To you, or certainly i do good. So i went yesterday to see message on a bottle, which is a ballet based on the music of sting and its a ballet which has forms from classical ballet to break dance and everything in between. It is a show of extraordinary energy. Yes its absolutely frenetic all the way through. It displays such athleticism, such skill, such stamina. Its immensely moving stamina. Its immensely moving andits stamina. Its immensely moving and its now finished. Its gone on its world tour. But but ive looked into this and it is going to be made into a cinema show. Interestingly a cooperation between sadlers wells and the royal opera house. Yes and theyre going to produce a cinema version. So even if you cinema version. So even if you cant catch the show in sydney or amsterdam or new york or any of the other places its about to go, you you will be able to pick it up when it arrives in the cinema. So thank you very much, stefan, for that absolute pleasure. Absolutely pleasure. It was absolutely marvellous there and marvellous to go along there and i that viewers i very much hope that viewers will other will take your other recommendations, today recommendations, although today your a bit your sunset boulevard was a bit kind your sunset boulevard was a bit kinino, no, no, no. Its no, no, no, no, no. Its still its still absolutely worth seeing. Its just i like to have a bit of a cry, you know that. But on other levels, its a massive achievement. Yeah. Okay. Well thank you very much. What are you. What are you lined up to do the coming week . You know . Coming week . Do you know . Got lioness coming week . Do you know . Up got lioness coming week . Do you know . Up with|ot lioness coming week . Do you know . Up with kristin ess coming week . Do you know . Up with Kristin Scott coming up with Kristin Scott thomas. Thats the thomas. So that one, thats the one im most excited about at the very good. Well, i hope you very good. Well, i hope you have and youll have a wonderful week and youll be next. Have a wonderful week and youll be i next. Have a wonderful week and youll be i will next. Have a wonderful week and youll be i will be next. Have a wonderful week and youll be i will be back1ext. Have a wonderful week and youll be i will be back next sunday. I will be back next sunday. I will be back next sunday. And ill be here, too. Thank you. Michael you. Youre watching Michael Portillo the hour of the conclude the first hour of the show. Stray not nor wander show. But stray not nor wander far as back at the top far as ill be back at the top of houn far as ill be back at the top of hour. We will be speaking of the hour. We will be speaking to horrific to a survivor of that horrific attack reacting to to a survivor of that horrific ai controversial reacting to to a survivor of that horrific ai controversial referendum g to to a survivor of that horrific aicontroversial referendum in. 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I will speak to a survivor of the desert rave where party goers were slaughtered in their hundreds a letter written by several prominent cases criticises the bbcs decision not to refer to hamas as terrorists , and one of the terrorists, and one of the signatories will join me in the studio. Further afield in australia, a somewhat vague proposal to institute a constitutional voice for Indigenous People, which would required consultation on the countrys laws has been rejected in a National Referendum. Australians here in london have been voting on the proposal. One been voting on the proposal. One of those firmly opposed is gb news own tim smith. Hell be here to explain why and slightly further away than even australia is the asteroid bennu from which a capsule has returned to earth carrying precious particles captured from the asteroid surface. Scientists believe that they could shed light on the very earliest development of our own planet billions of years ago. Finally, from heavenly bodies to earthly delights, ill be joined by a darling and dandy of london high society. Henry cobby is typically seen only after the sun has set promoting some of the capitals biggest parties and nightclubs and mixing with the a list from mariah carey to prince harry. But hes agreed to join us at the unprecedentedly early of midday to talk of early time of midday to talk of his 20 years at the centre of londons social life. Before all of that, heres the latest news with Elizabeth Callaghan. On with Elizabeth Callaghan. On good afternoon. Its a few minutes past 12. Im Elizabeth Callaghan in the newsroom. Callaghan in the newsroom. Thousands of palestinians flee south as the israeli Prime Minister tells his troops the next stage is coming. Its next stage is coming. Its military is attacking hamas by sea and air in gaza and preparing for a ground offensive. There are reports from the Israeli Defence force saying hamas is stopping civilians from leaving. It comes as the hamas leader met with irans foreign minister in qatar , where they agreed to continue cooperation. Well, a spokesperson for Israeli Defence force has told gb news its continuing to let people in northern gaza move from their homes to safety. Homes to safety. The worst Case Scenario scenario is actually that they would stay in where we plan to conduct our operations. So they should evacuate to the south, where there is places where people can get hold of and take cover for the time being. And indeed, when we finish and complete our operations, we will announce to announce that theyll be able to come their homes. Come back to their homes. The Foreign Office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah Border Crossing is opened. Its currently the only route out of the territory. A third the territory. A third government charter flight carrying britons from israel has now departed foreign secretary James Cleverly told gb news the uk government are doing everything they can to get british nationals trapped in gaza a safe passage out. Gaza a safe passage out. We have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the Egyptian Government, with the Egyptian Government, and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing. Now, reopen the rafah crossing. Now, thatis reopen the rafah crossing. Now, that is the Border Crossing between Southern Gaza and egypt at the moment. That is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. We will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open. And that is, of course, making humanitarian and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult. At the shadow foreign difficult. At the shadow foreign secretary has said, the rise in anti semitism in the uk is abysmal and children should feel safe to go to school. Safe to go to school. David lammy, whose constituency has a large jewish community, told gb news they should feel safe and be protected by law. He also said the advice from police is that jewish schools can open. Jewish schools can open. The rise in anti semitism is abysmal. We must stand up to this hate the idea that there are schoolchildren in not attending school through fear not wearing uniform, through fear , people taking off the star fear, people taking off the star of. David fear, people taking off the star of. David hiding, pretending that they are not of jewish faith is entirely unacceptable. Faith is entirely unacceptable. And i stand in solidarity with jewish communities at this time who must have the full protection of the law onto some Entertainment News now. And madonna has kicked off her delayed celebration tour in london following a Serious Health scare. Nothing really health scare. Nothing really matter was loving. The 65 year old had to postpone the start date from july after she was admitted to intensive care with admitted to intensive care with a near fatal bacterial infection. She told the audience she didnt think she was going to make it and credited her children with helping her to recover. The singer also urged recover. The singer also urged her fans to unite as she expressed her sadness over the israel Hamas Conflict. It breaks my heart to see children suffering , teenagers suffering , suffering, teenagers suffering, elderly people suffering. Elderly people suffering. All of it is heartbreaking when you feel helpless , right . When you feel helpless, right . What can we do . Theres a lot we can do. Theres a lot we can do. First and foremost , what we first and foremost, what we can say. I can first and foremost, what we can say. I can make a first and foremost, what we can say. I can make a difference can say. I can make a difference because i individually , we can because i individually, we can bnng because i individually, we can bring light to the world with my actions , with my words. Actions, with my words. Each and every day. Each and every day. Each and every day. This is gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now its back to you, michael. Now its back to you, michael. Thank you. Elizabeth callahan. The events that unfold in israel last weekend shocked and appalled people around the world. The Hamas Terror Group burst through the border from gaza into israel, inflict an onslaught on civilians and Security Forces that left more than 1300 people dead. Israel is responding with huge force against hamas in the gaza strip, and that has left 2000 people dead, reportedly including the hamas commander who led last weeks attack. We can speak now weeks attack. We can speak now to sharon weisberger , an israeli to sharon weisberger, an israeli photographer who was attending last weeks tribe of nova music festival, where hundreds of people were murdered. Her photographs document the transformation of a night of fun and revelry into a morning of terror. And her own story of survival is remarkable. Sharon, survival is remarkable. Sharon, thank you very much for joining us on gb news. You must be absolutely traumatised and i think its amazing that youre able to speak to us, but to the extent that you can, can you tell us what happened of course. Um , i came to the festival as um, i came to the festival as a photographer , a very young a photographer, a very young artist. I a photographer, a very young artist. I draw and i photograph and i try to get into the Music Industry as a photographer for years. And it was a dream of mine. I tried to get into the Nova Committee and i got in and again, it was a dream of mine. I was waiting for it around six months to get into that festival and i remember i got there at night and i came there with two people that i met at the same day through facebook because they came alone. Thank god. Um, they came alone. Thank god. Um, i got to the festival. I spent all the night taking photos. Beautiful people , people of Beautiful People, people of peace and love. People that came to celebrate most of the people were in the army , finished the were in the army, finished the army. They were there to enjoy life and celebrate it as the sun was starting to rise up. I remember i took my camera and i went back to have a wide shot of all of the surroundings while the sun was rising up and the Beautiful People are dancing and the second that i went back and i wanted and i got the shot, the music stopped and people were starting to run around. Panic was all around and people were crying and getting anxiety attacks. While i was looking up attacks. While i was looking up attacks. While i was looking up at the sky, i see all the sky lit up like its fireworks with missiles and rockets. I saw black smoke getting closer and closer to us. I didnt really understand what was going on in the first few minutes , and after the first few minutes, and after about 15 minutes i found the people that i came with to the festival. Well, we got into the car after i told them that i want to stay there. They told me, no, lets get into the car and get out of here. And lets get out of here. Thats what saved us. We got into the and our driver into the car and our driver decided to through field decided to cut through the field and in the jamming. And not wait in the jamming. In the festival. So the exit of the festival. So again, that something that again, that was something that saved us because the second that we got to highway , the we got to the highway, the shooting started on the left side of the road. We continue driving and we went through and we passed two shelters on the side of the road. And again, i was asking the drivers to stop so we could have shelter from the bombs and from the rockets, because thats the thing that made the most sense. And they decided not to listen to me and continue driving. Two minutes after that, the terrorists came and bombed those shelters and killed almost every Single Person inside of them. We continued to drive in panic and anxiety , hearing bombs behind anxiety, hearing bombs behind us. We hear gunshots, but we dont understand. We dont want to believe that thats whats happening. And then we see a police car pull up in front of us and they put a roadblock and apparently after that , ive been apparently after that, ive been informed that those were terrorists that put on police forms. And we got out of there forms. And we got out of there alive in one piece without seeing anything. But ive been in the last few days around all of the people that were in the festival, everyone is injured physically and emotionally. People cant sleep at night. People cant sleep at night. People. The terrors and the people. The terrors and the faces of all those children haunt me. I look at the photos and im trying to edit them to give them to the families. And i see more and more pictures of people that are dead , children people that are dead, children that are dead. We need you to that are dead. We need you to stand with us. We need you to understand that israel is defending itself and it needs everyone to listen to israel. Right now, everyone is hurt. Everyone is hurting. And we need everyone is hurting. And we need your help. Your help. Sharon. Sharon weisberger, its been very brave of you to come on gb news today. Its been very brave of you to come on gb news today. Thank you come on gb news today. Thank you very much. And your photographs are a remarkable testimony to the horrific, horrific events of last saturday. Thank you for joining us here in the United Kingdom , the conflict between kingdom, the conflict between israel and palestine reverberates intensely as a week of street protests and rancorous debate has demonstrated. One debate has demonstrated. One good tempered dispute concerns the decision by the bbc not to refer to hamas as terrorists. Refer to hamas as terrorists. Five eminent cases have written to the broadcaster accusing it of violating its own editorial charter. Im joined by one of them, lord wolfson. David. David them, lord wolfson. David. David what is your point . Is it that the bbc has a wrong policy or that it has applied the policy inconsistently in a way that particularly disfavour israel . Its the inconsistency point. Roger mosey, the previous head of Bbc Television news, wrote an article in the guardian back in 2005 after the seven over seven bombings in london and he explained that the bbc has no problem with using the word terrorist. It just has to use it when its appropriate to do so. And our essential point is this the bbc used us and used that word for example, about the seven over seven bombing it used it about the massacre of innocents in a paris nightclub , innocents in a paris nightclub, but all of a sudden seems to have a problem using it about this massacre of which weve just heard. So its the inconsistent treatment which is at the heart of our complaint. I ive read your letter and im slightly surprised because, for instance , you mention that the instance, you mention that the people involved in manchester were called terrorists. But in your letter , what you but in your letter, what you actually cite is terror attack survivors condemn compensation. Body 17 july 20th, 23. So actually , the word terrorists actually, the word terrorists doesnt appear there. And also you have a reference to the bbc calling al qaeda and ira terrorist groups. But your terrorist groups. But your reference is a thing called bbc bite size guide for gcse students. These look like kind students. These look like kind of instances which may have been people not understanding the bbcs own policy. Are you saying that broadly speaking, day after day, the 9 11 attackers, attackers , the seven over seven attackers, the seven over seven attackers, the seven over seven attackers and that the ira were called terrorists because people recollections of this seem to be quite confused . Quite confused . Well, if you go back to the seven over seven bombings, for example, the bbc editorially has called terrorists. Called those people terrorists. And i accept the bbc has a difficult job. Im not a bbc bashen difficult job. Im not a bbc basher. I support the bbc. I like the fact if i can say it on this channel, that we also have a national broadcaster. What a national broadcaster. What i do ask for is consistency , mercy do ask for is consistency, mercy and explanation in this case as well. The bbc has to recognise well. The bbc has to recognise that not just its not just that what happened on saturday, it seems to me, was the paradigm arm of terrorism. But also hamas is a designated and proscribed terrorist group as a matter of law in this country. Terrorist group as a matter of law in this country. Now, terrorist group as a matter of law in this country. Now, again, im not saying that whatever the government says, the bbc has to follow, but we are at an odd situation where lots of broadcasters , including this broadcasters, including this channel, have no problem calling hamas a terrorist organisation. The law of england and wales calls hamas a terrorist organisation. The bbc has used that word in other contexts but refused to uses it here to use it here. What i think the bbc has to do is to think again about its own policies and i appreciate that might be difficult. While the war is going on, but aftennards i think there has to be some real thought at the bbc as to how its going to deal with this issue going fonnard. Tested yourself on have you tested yourself on this . Been this . Because ive been ive been myself so if the been testing myself so if the ukrainians fire a rocket into an apartment block in moscow, i would certainly not call that terrorism. Of course , the terrorism. Of course, the russians would. Lawrence of russians would. Lawrence of arabia blowing up trains and bridges. I would not call it terrorism. Of course. The terrorism. Of course. The Ottoman Empire certainly would. Ottoman empire certainly would. I called what the ira did terrorism. But of course, many people in ireland and indeed many people in the United Kingdom did not. You see what im getting at that the word terrorist is used by different people in different contexts. Or people in different contexts. Or rather, we choose we each choose what were going to describe as terrorism. Well, i can accept that there may be some instances where people will use the word terrorism for political purposes, but equally , there are purposes, but equally, there are instances where that is in my view, only word which view, the only word which adequately describes what happened. And when you read the accounts of what happened on saturday, which was a deliberate attack to murder people , some attack to murder people, some toddlers were shot and their grandmothers were taken hostage, sometimes it was the other way around. They took the toddlers hostage and shot the grandmothers. That is terrorism by anybodys definition. And we should have no problem calling it out if we dont, we lose moral clarity. And thats what im also concerned about as a society. We need to have moral society. We need to have moral clarity about what happened on saturday, not least because for those of us, and im one of them who support thought the concept of a palestinian state, who support a two state solution in the only way to get to a two state solution is to recognise that groups like hamas have got no part in a future middle east because its hamas which prevents the work towards a two state solution and not advances it. What about this idea the bbc is 100 year Old Organisation which was founded with some extraordinarily important and impressive guiding principles. Im one of those was that it would not be emotional, that it would not be emotional, that it would not be sentimental, that it would not be hysterical. And it would not be hysterical. And it would not be hysterical. And it sustained that position even through the second world war. People would not run around the studio. They would refer to the enemy, but wouldnt start enemy, but they wouldnt start editorialising and although youve found some examples of inconsistency over that 100 year history, its trying to do something which it regards as quite important, which is, as i say , to remain calm , um, to, to say, to remain calm, um, to, to address every issue with proper journalistic standards. Do you journalistic standards. Do you have any sympathy for that explanation . I have every sympathy with the objective. But i dont think it explains what the bbc has actually been doing on the ground, so to speak. Absolutely. Ground, so to speak. Absolutely. Hysteria has no place in a newsroom. Its not a its not a newsroom. Its not a its not a proper emotion to have in a newsroom. But what a newsroom newsroom. But what a newsroom has to do is actually report whats. And in the view whats happened. And in the view of in my view and those of us who wrote the letter and i think many others, what happened on saturday was terrorism. It was terrorism carried out by a group which in this country is designated as a proscribed terrorist organisation. And its terrorist organisation. And its not hysteria to call that out. Its simply calling things what they are. And i hope that it may be difficult, as, as i say, for the to bbc change its policy, so to speak, or change its approach midway war. But at some point the bbc is going to have to think about how it handles handles this going fonnard, because the refusal of the to bbc call Hamas Terrorists has caused deep consternation not only in the jewish community, but way beyond it. But way beyond it. Thank you very much, david wolfson. Thank you. Not least for discussing such a very for discussing it in such a very civilised manner. Could i just civilised manner. Could i just take this opportunity to pay tribute to all those people who work for and for all the work for the bbc and for all the other channels who find themselves at themselves in danger at the moment . Themselves in danger at the moment . Bringing story of moment . Bringing us the story of the terrible events. After the the terrible events. After the break, well discuss another rancorous debate that looks to have been settled by a referendum in australia. The proposal to institute a constitutional voice for Indigenous People was over , Indigenous People was over, willingly rejected by voters. Ill be back in a few minutes. Hello there, im Jonathan Vautrey. Who of your latest news vautrey. Who of your latest news Weather Forecast provided by the met office . There is a fine couple of days ahead for many of us and theres a lot of nice conditions around throughout the rest afternoon rest of this afternoon and evening we evening as well. The showers we do northern scotland do have across northern scotland will a touch , will be easing back a touch, might some isolated mist and might see some isolated mist and fog forming as fog patches forming overnight as well. Temperatures will well. And temperatures will certainly be dropping off for many again. Another many of us once again. Another chilly night on the cards, low to figures in many of to mid single figures in many of our towns cities, but our towns and cities, but a touch frost is certainly touch of frost is certainly possible in some rural areas as well. Well need some well. So you may well need some extra you start off extra layers as you start off the on monday morning, well the day on monday morning, well be a touch more cloud around on monday compared to what we have seen weekend. Monday compared to what we have seen a weekend. Monday compared to what we have seen a bit weekend. Monday compared to what we have seen a bit milkier weekend. 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Elsewhere, this shield of cloud will be pushing northwards as we this shield of cloud will be pushito northwards as we this shield of cloud will be pushito galesyrthwards as we this shield of cloud will be pushito gales developing; we start to see gales developing across and across parts of wales and southwest england. And this rain across parts of wales and soutthent england. And this rain across parts of wales and soutthen startland. And this rain across parts of wales and soutthen start spreadingthis rain across parts of wales and soutthen start spreading itsy rain will then start spreading its way as we head way northwards as we head throughout wednesday and thursday, in thursday, perhaps very heavy in places. Thats all for now. Bye Patrick Christys weekdays from three on gb news. From three on gb news. Welcome back. Even before the polls had closed in a National Referendum in australia, it was clear that voters had decided rejected the proposal to insert a voice for Indigenous People into the countrys constitution. Into the countrys constitution. How exactly the voice would have been enacted was never fully detailed , but critics argued detailed, but critics argued that the policy would institutionalise Racial Division and many Indigenous People oppose the idea. Australians here in the United Kingdom were able to vote on the question, among them, our own tim smith, a former medal winning oarsman , former medal winning oarsman, and at one time the youngest member the australian member of the australian liberal Parliamentary Party when he won the seat of kew in the victoria state parliament. I hardly have to welcome you to gb news but welcome to the studio. Welcome to the studio. Michael thank you. Michael thank you. Michael thank you. You were very much on one side of issue. You were a side of this issue. You were a no and campaigner , but can no voter and campaigner, but can you be objective and explain to us what it was all about . Yes, because because and this goes actually to the great weakness in the yes campaign. All most across all aspects of Australian Society are people want to recognise aboriginals in the nations founding document it and had this referendum simply been about symbolic recognition , one of the first recognition, one of the first custom guardians of the continent, it would have had 90 support the problem was that the voice was both recognition of aboriginal and Torres Strait islanders in the constitution. Islanders in the constitution. An but it was also creating a new entity, a de facto third, Third Chamber of the parliament based on race and australia is a particularly egalitarian country and suggesting that one race be treated any differently to any other race in australia. It just other race in australia. It just doesnt pass the pub test. As we say in australia , and it was say in australia, and it was voted down accordingly in every single state. This was voted down 60, 40, voted no nationally. So that is a whopping defeat for the yes campaign because they got it wrong from the outset. People want to recognise aboriginals in the constitution often, but not the way it was proposed by the Prime Minister, anthony albanese. Proposed by the Prime Minister, ant i ony albanese. Proposed by the Prime Minister, antiony isayingie. Proposed by the Prime Minister, antiony saying to you earlier i was saying to you earlier because you met outside, that ive been in dannin and was absolutely shocked to see the number of first nation Aboriginal People who were clearly drunkards and drug addicts. Would this proposal have done anything to close the gap between the original community of australia and the rest . Rest . Well, the argument made by jacinta price, who was an outstanding indigenous senator from the Northern Territory, shes the shadow minister for Indigenous Affairs in the australian parliament. She made the point that this would do nothing to alleviate disadvantage in regional and rural australia , where there is rural australia, where there is significant disadvantage , as you significant disadvantage, as you saw in dannin and other communities in the Northern Territory , aboriginal and torres territory, aboriginal and Torres Strait islanders have a Life Expectancy eight years less than their australia does. So their fellow australia does. So its i mean thats a national disgrace. Yes, and its embarrassing and it has to be fixed. But this is not the way to policies that can deal with that. You think . You think . Well, ive always thought its education, its about education, an education, education and getting kids from , um, drunken and kids away from, um, drunken and abusive families into schools. And there are some terrific charities are taking children from regional and remote communities and taking them to some best schools in some of the best schools in melbourne sydney. Weve got melbourne and sydney. Weve got to more that because to see more of that because thats way you close gap thats the way you close the gap up thats the way you close the gap p by thats the way you close the gap up by aboriginal kids the up by giving aboriginal kids the same opportunities as kids anywhere else in australia. And anywhere else in australia. And in recent history, the word referendum has meant to british people enduring division. People enduring division. Yeah, families torn apart. Yes. Will will this heal in australia over a reasonable penod australia over a reasonable period of time or not . Its going to take a while. Its going to take a while. 40 of the community wanted this thing , 60 didnt and yes, thing, 60 didnt and yes, families arent. There are family members who are not talking to one another. Were familiar with that. As a consequence this highly consequence of this highly divisive campaign. Divisive campaign. One last question, if i may , one last question, if i may, to bring it to a british point of view. It seems that of view. It seems that a government is unlikely to be tempted into another referendum shortly and that means that were not going to have the question of the royal family put to a referendum in the near future. That king future. And that means that king charles ii can breathe a sigh of relief. I think the monarchy is safe in of this. No in australia because of this. No win generation. Win for another generation. Anthony albanese was asked about this at press conference on this at his press conference on saturday night in australia. He didnt answer the question. Didnt answer the question. Labour official policy of labour has an official policy of australia becoming a republic. Australia becoming a republic. They intend they said. They they intend to, they said. They intended to put a referendum to the people their the australian people in their second i dont think second term. I dont think thats going to happen. Thats going to happen. John smith, you very john smith, thank you very much putting your oar much indeed for putting your oar in you. Thank you. Thank you. In a few minutes michael. In a few minutes well of well delve back billions of years to the very earliest history of our planet. Years to the very earliest history of our planet. As history of our planet. As scientists investigate particles from a distant but from a distant asteroid. But before that, were going to bnng before that, were going to bring you right to date with bring you right up to date with the latest news the present, your latest news headunes. Headlines. Good afternoon. Its 1230. Im Elizabeth Callahan in the newsroom. United nations are newsroom. United nations are warning hospitals in gaza full of wounded people could run out of wounded people could run out of fuel and supplies within the next two days. Israeli army say it is allowing safe evacuations of people in north northern gaza as the israeli Prime Minister tells his troops, the next stage is coming. Its military is attacking hamas by sea and air in gaza and preparing for a ground offensive. There are reports from the Israeli Defence force saying hamas is stopping civilians from leaving. It comes civilians from leaving. It comes as the hamas leader met with irans foreign minister in qatar , where they agreed to continue cooperation. A spokesperson for the Israeli Defence force told gb news its continuing to let people in northern gaza move from their homes to safety. The worst Case Scenario is actually that they would stay in where we plan to conduct our operations. So they should evacuate to the south, where there is places where people can get hold up and take cover for the time being. And indeed, when we finish and complete our operations, announce operations, we will announce that come that theyll be able to come back their homes. Back to their homes. The Foreign Office is telling british nationals in gaza to be ready in case the rafah Border Crossing is opened. Its currently the only route out of the territory , a third the territory, a third government charter flight carrying britons from the is from israel has departed. Prime minister rishi sunak has vowed to always stand with israel. Foreign secretary James Cleverly told gb news the uk government are doing everything they can to get british nationals trapped in gaza a safe passage out. We have been liaising very, very closely with the israeli government, with the israeli government, with the israeli government, with the Egyptian Government and we know that there have been talks to try and reopen the rafah crossing. Now, that is the Border Crossing between Southern Gaza and egypt at the moment. That is the only credible exit route for people from gaza. We will continue to work to try and get that crossing reopened, although at the moment it is not open. And that is, of course, making humanitarian and consular support into gaza incredibly difficult. Difficult. You can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbviews gbnews. Com michael is back after the. Gb news radio. Gb news radio. Welcome back. Scientists from the Natural History museum will be amongst those investigating particles scooped from the surface of an asteroid over to hundred million miles away. The hundred million miles away. The osiris rex spacecraft took off three, took three years to ferry its precious cargo back to earth, which will now be studied to find clues about how our planet might have formed and evolved some 4 billion years ago. To shed more light on this, im oh, dear, it looks like weve lost that line. So we will weve lost that line. So we will we will come back to that story in just a moment. Im pleased to say that colourful studio in just a moment. Im pleased to say been colourful studio in just a moment. Im pleased to say been eclipsed rful studio in just a moment. Im pleased to say been eclipsed by. Studio in just a moment. Im pleased to say been eclipsed by the dio has been eclipsed by the presence henry conway , a presence of henry conway, a darling society, darling of londons society, whos very career. I wont attempt fully to explain, but henrys suffice it say , has henrys suffice it to say, has promoted pop stars promoted parties for pop stars and royalty, launched hotels and clubs around the world. But now hes being hes really made it. Hes being interviewed on gb news doddie aid. Marvellous are you henry, my darling . What a dream. Career how did it begin . Well, just loving parties, really . Yeah, i was. I was really . Yeah, i was. I was always very social. And so a friend asked me to, you know, bnng friend asked me to, you know, bring some people to a party in a nightclub , and it kind of a nightclub, and it kind of kicked off from there. So, yeah, kicked off from there. So, yeah, very early on. So i did a famous nightclub called mahiki on dover street in piccadilly. When you say you did it. So i was one of the team that launched it. The team that launched it. Does that mean you had money . Does that mean you had money . Well, no, that was that was all that was all taken care of. Nightclubs are a big beast to fund. So its like a whole a whole phalanx of different people were behind that. And what did you have to offer . Why did people think you were the right person to get on board . I knew lots of board . Because i knew lots of people, people, people, because people, you know, these places, know, these are these places, these like parties as well. Ill get to. Well. Ill get to. On but they you ill get to. On but they you know, bodies in a room. Know, you need bodies in a room. You need in room. They you need bodies in a room. They take a certain amount take they take a certain amount of sort of curation. So any of sort of curation. So any really kind of hotspot or hotspot doesnt become a hotspot accidentally as we well know, very few things happen accidentally. So theres an element of curation and making sure that people are handpicked to be with you. To be with you. How did you get to know all these people . Oh , good question. Well, just oh, good question. Well, just. Be just to be looking at the sources. Yeah. Yeah university. So yes, some were universities, some were schools. So i was at i was very, very lucky to go to harrow. And that is a, you harrow. So and that is a, you know, certainly in terms of like an little pot in which an elite little pot in which people kind of, know , meet people kind of, you know, meet each and i was very each other. And i was very social at school as well. There were lots of schools were like lots of girls schools that and met that mingled with us and met with us. And we did big parties while we were at school. So its yeah, its just a very kind of sort of natural. Its just a sort of natural. Its just a very natural thing. I think social stuff, you really social stuff, you cant really force that much. When you say you knew and when you say you knew people us the people people tell us about the people you knew. The people i knew well , well. The people i knew well, well. So was there was so obviously there was there was a kind tatler set going on a kind of tatler set going on when i was very young. So you know, there were the young royals that i kind of knew by by default , you know, i was the default, you know, i was the same Academic Year as as william. So there was all of that kind of set. So i knew a lot of the peripheries of that were you in the same place as william . No. I was at harry. William . No. So i was at harry. He was at eton. Harrow. We werent same school. But, he was at eton. Harrow. We wer know, same school. But, he was at eton. Harrow. We wer know, all same school. But, he was at eton. Harrow. We wer know, all ofime school. But, he was at eton. Harrow. We wer know, all of those hool. But, he was at eton. Harrow. We wer know, all of those schools, , you know, all of those schools, everyone knows everyone kind of knows each other. Yeah so and having the princes, of course, would be absolutely the best possible couple of names for any club. Oh, it made, you know, it made mahiki. You know, it was, it pelly who was prince it was guy pelly who was prince williams best friend. Was was was part of the team, too. And, you know, and then it kind you know, and then itjust kind of becomes a thing. And then of it becomes a thing. And then pp of it becomes a thing. And then pop stars want to come and all the demimonde want to come. And it kind of sort of it can sort of just roll from there. It kind of sort of it can sort ofjust roll from there. So it kind of sort of it can sort of just roll from there. So we did extraordinary parties for extraordinary people. Did you have any chance to go to other clubs . What what was your personal taste when you when you clubbing, when you when you went clubbing, when you werent professional . Werent being a professional . Being when i wasnt being a professional boy, i went professional party boy, i went to lots of different places. So i do. I quite like big scale clubs as well. So i went to ministry of sound a lot. Clubs as well. So i went to ministry of sound a lot. Yes, ministry of sound a lot. Yes, i eventually ended up working with ministry of sound. I was creative director of head candy for about three years. You know, they have a wonderful record label. So i had the great opportunity to work on rita oras first singles and some of the best djs in the world that we then had in our nightclubs. So yeah, i mean, its certainly now i still go out quite a bit now i still go out quite a bit now. My nights now i still go out quite a bit now. My nights are now i still go out quite a bit now. My nights are late , always. Now. My nights are late, always. Were so impressed. Were so impressed. This is early for me. This is very early for me. Very early for me. And how has, how has clubbing changed . I mean, for example , changed . I mean, for example, has it changed a lot in the in the internet and social media age . Oh, god, hugely. So when i first started going out, it was very it was very kind of dance around a dance around a table , big dance floors around a table, big dance floors and things have things have kind of theyve changed that kind of the kind of club that you really only get in monaco in the south of france now are the kind of clubs that out in. Clubs that i started out in. That the mahiki model. That that was the mahiki model. That was the model for so many clubs of noughties and that of the early noughties and that really only exists now in vegas and in the south of france. And in the south of france. London is now much more kind of cool and edgy and does big, big, big nightclubs. Cool and edgy and does big, big, big nightclubs. And then big nightclubs. And then Everything Else is sort of cocktail bars and chic. So now most of the places that i, i look after, so ive kind of moved out of, of clubbing life in to, into to launching big hotels and restaurants which is great fun and theyre much more kind of individual small, charming, charming venues that that we now fill with lots of big celebrities. And its great fun. Henry im hearing that your fan is causing a hurricane across your microphone. Oh, no , im so sorry. Oh, no, im so sorry. Oh, no, im so sorry. Would you mind . Would you mind . Would you mind . Fan i will fan myself from down here in very of 18th down here in a very kind of 18th century, century way. Century, 18th century way. Very good. Are you are youre very warm. Are you . Very warm. Are you . So warm. I am so warm. I am so warm. Youve made a good um, so youve made a good living out of this . Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Has it, frankly, yeah, yeah. Has it, frankly, has it you rich . It made you rich . Oh, i mean, we never talk about money, but i do. All right, all right. I do. All right. And where will you go next with it . Well, so im loving doing all of the big parties that i do at the i relaunched the the moment. So i relaunched the dorchester beginning of dorchester at the beginning of the year, which which very the year, which which went very well. Weve got some other well. And weve got some other big hotels that that launch at the end of the year, a party might have what kind of budget . Oh, anything from i mean, it really depends. I work on small scale ones to huge ones. So what would small scale be budget wise . Budget wise, 20,000 maybe. Thatis . Budget wise, 20,000 maybe. That is quite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is quite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, i mean , yeah, there yeah. Well, i mean, yeah, there are some people who would i know you know but, but actually parties bigger number. Parties are a bigger number. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But parties can pve can be anything you know, ive worked on ones a million worked on on ones a million millions pounds and millions of pounds and ive worked ones are worked on ones that are about kind the kind of 150,000, which is the kind of 150,000, which is the kind average for big scale kind of average for a big scale london launch. But i mean , like, london launch. But i mean, like, you know, the wonder for viewers at home, you can you can do a party on any budget that you want. Very much about about want. Its very much about about not bringing bringing you those kind of elements of parties to make things interesting. So music always good music. I believe in good music. I believe believe in good music. I believe in disco always. So you know, they start off calm and then. And then go to disco. Yeah and then liven up. And disco is good because it bnngs and disco is good because it brings all the generations out of the generations at of all the generations out at the same time. Then and then, of course, and then and then, of course, people you have to make sure that your people entirely that your people are entirely right. And there may be some bad right. And there may be some bad eggs. Rid of your bad eggs. Eggs. Get rid of your bad eggs. Always whats bad egg . I mean, i whats a bad egg . I mean, i give quite a lot of parties. Yeah, i agree with you about the music. I have a lot of music. Yeah, i have a lot of people who are intergenerational music. Yeah, i have a lot of pyes. E who are intergenerational music. Yeah, i have a lot of pyes. E who arevery rgenerational music. Yeah, i have a lot of pyes. E who arevery important. Al. Yes. Which is very important. People , very people who are very, very different another. People who are very, very differ so another. People who are very, very differ so im another. People who are very, very differ so im not another. People who are very, very differ so im not sure ther. People who are very, very differ so im not sure that yeah. So im not sure that i would have a bad egg because if one person were very different from think thats from another, i think thats a kind success. Oh yeah, kind of success. Oh yeah, yeah. I think people i think i think having people that very that are different is very important. So my, my parties tend to be incredibly diverse. They can be from, from pop stars to actors to politicians to politicians. Do you have any politicians. Do you have any broadcasters, a celebrity . Oh, yeah , lots, lots. And i think yeah, lots, lots. And i think thats very important. I mean, yeah, lots, lots. And i think thats very important. I mean, i use quite a lot of i have a lot of art students, a lot of model agencies that will send their their people. But, you know, theres a theres a of theres a theres a lot of friends mine that will come. Friends of mine that will come. I mean, so the so when youre doing a charity party, one of the one of the things that when youre doing a big charity do youre doing a big charity do you have your donors and you have your dynamos so you have your your people who are kind of like maybe have to be there, say, example, if youre if say, for example, if youre if youre doing a corporate party, there have be there are people that have to be there. Then you have people there. And then you have people that make place and that make the place pop and zing. So its kind of curating those people who are going to make it pop sing my make it pop and sing my goodness, a real goodness, youve made a real skill of the whole thing and i congratulate you. You much. Thank you very much. Extraordinary and id be extraordinary career. And id be very youd say hello very grateful if youd say hello to your father. I will do. I will to be colleagues. Indeed. Indeed. You much. Thank thank you very much. Thank you the wonderful henry you to the wonderful henry conway. As we were reporting conway. As we were reporting earlier, from earlier, scientists from the Natural Museum will Natural History museum will be amongst those investigating particles from the particles scooped from the surface of an asteroid. 200 million miles away. The scientist rex spacecraft. It scientist rex spacecraft. It took three years to ferry its precious cargo back to earth, which will now studied to which will now be studied to find about how our planet find clues about how our planet might formed and evolved. Might have formed and evolved. 4 billion years ago. And i hope were now joined by planetary scientist andrew lound. Andrew thank goodness youre there. Its lovely to see you. What on earth has one might say is the connection between an asteroid so many million miles away and our earth . Our earth . Yes. Good afternoon, michael. Yes. Good afternoon, michael. Yeah, its a very exciting thing. The asteroid, which were looking at here in particular, bennu, like all the other asteroids, and there are millions them , are millions of them, are the leftover the formation leftover bits from the formation of the solar system. When our solar system started, it began with the formation of the sun at the centre and it was surrounded by gas and this by dust and gas and this material form into material began to form into small planetary bodies and a lot of this material was in asteroids and as the earth began to form the asteroids pummelled into the earth and delivered to the earth and the other planets, for that matter, Raw Materials such as nickel iron, which eventually settled at the centre of the earth to form the earths core. Other materials we think were distributed here, including the Building Blocks of life itself , materials like sulphur, itself, materials like sulphur, carbon and so on. Possibly even water was distributed originally to the earth from these bombardment. To the earth from these bombardment. S now the to the earth from these bombardment. S now the asteroids bombardment. S now the asteroids settled into their general orbit, which is between mars and jupiter, but there are some rogue ones which fly all over the place. Bennu is one of those, and bennu actually crosses earths orbit, which made it an extremely good target to send a spacecraft to two reasons. One, its an old object 4. 5 billion years old. But the second one is it possibly at some point might collide with the earth. So we need to actually have a look at how we could it. Could deflect it. What then do we think we might find in these particles . Might find in these particles . We might find carbon is that true . Might we might we even find water . I suppose thats rather far fetched. No , thats actually correct. No, thats actually correct. Actually king of the Natural History museum is one of the six people whove had a quick look see at the sample already. I see at the sample already. I mean, theres about 250g of the sample, than sample, far more than the expected to collect. And what they found is theyve theyve found actually early water molecules trapped inside the mud like substance within it or clay. Thats a better description. Clay substance within the samples itself. And thats a very, very important discovery because that suggests that a water rich that this is a water rich asteroid. Found various asteroid. Its found various types of carbon material, probably mixtures of material as well. And sulphur has been found well. And sulphur has been found there. And again, these are all materials which are critical to the formation of life on earth itself. Material to itself. We need this material to kick start life and get carbon chemistry going. So thats been discovered already there. And that define water encased within the samples is really critical because, one, it could give us an indication that water was distributed to the earth from the asteroid. It needs be the asteroid. It needs to be analysed, secondly, analysed, but secondly, for future if we want to future missions, if we want to obtain water, for instance, from the moon, its very important. But from the asteroids would be great for refuelling spacecraft or to split into hydrogen and oxygen therefore youve got oxygen and therefore youve got a them together a fuel. Combine them together again generate again and you can generate electricity and heat, which of course is in a Hydrogen Fuel cell. So its absolutely vital that found and it is that we found this. And it is actually. Actually there now. May i ask you what is probably a very stupid question is, is thought that an is, is the thought that an asteroid have brought, for asteroid might have brought, for example, small amount of example, a very small amount of water to earth at the time of its formation and that somehow has turned into oceans and lakes . Or are we suggesting that vast quantities water arrived on quantities of water arrived on the planet . Can you just put me right on that one . Yeah, that makes a good question. Yes, it is. Was a process that happened over a penod process that happened over a period time. Bombardment period of time. The bombardment of the earth, 4. 5 billion years ago, 4 to 4. 5 billion years ago was vast. You cant imagine just how many bits of material there were out there. And although one asteroid distribute a asteroid could distribute a small water to the small amount of water to the earth, would be millions earth, there would be millions of impacts which could distribute water to the distribute the water to the earth itself. So, yes, its a cumulative effect that you get from loads and loads of impacts themselves, possibly through comets. Although analysis of comets. Although analysis of comets , free water comets comets, free water in comets suggest in fact that the isotopes within the water itself were different. So thats why the tests of the asteroid ones going to be really important to us. Yes, would be us. But yes, it would be billions of impacts over that penod billions of impacts over that period of time which led to the water coming to the earth. This seems like an extraordinarily exciting discovery and moment. Oh, yes. I mean , this is just oh, yes. I mean, this is just fantastic. Ive been waiting for this kind of thing for years. This is the third sample weve had from a comet and this from an and an asteroid. And this is probably biggest sample. And probably the biggest sample. And for the asteroids for the oldest of the asteroids that weve been able to sample so learning so much so far. And learning so much from its just going to be a from it, its just going to be a game changer. Its going to be a game changer. Its going to be a game changer. Its going to be a game changer for generations, 70 material will 70 of the sample material will actually go into cold storage to wait for scientists who are yet actually go into cold storage to wa be or scientists who are yet actually go into cold storage to wa be born entists who are yet actually go into cold storage to wa be born ,ntists who are yet actually go into cold storage to wa be born , to sts who are yet actually go into cold storage to wa be born , to usevho are yet actually go into cold storage to wa be born , to use instruments to be born, to use instruments yet be devised to actually yet to be devised to actually analyse samples. Thats how analyse the samples. Thats how important this actual discovery is now to us and we might get indication of we actually indication of where we actually come. And whats come from. And i think whats quite especially from quite important, especially from bennu, an asteroid 66 bennu, is we know an asteroid 66 million years ago wiped out the dinosaurs or helped lead to the extinction of the dinosaurs. Its an interesting thought to think that asteroids could have actually seeds actually brought the seeds of life itself and an life to the earth itself and an asteroid like benner could actually take that away us. Actually take that away from us. Lound absolutely andy lound absolutely fantastic. Im really excited now, having listened to your explanation, what an extraordinary moment in time. Thank you. Emily carver has thank you. Emily carver has joined me and youre going to be on in just a few moments. What have you got for us today . Fascinating i love that guy there that expert space expert. You much. Expert space expert. Have you much. Expert space expert. Have arou much. Expert space expert. Have a good much. Expert space expert. Have a good day. Iuch. Have a good day. Have a good day. With Everything Else thats going and its going on in the world. And its so have this so marvellous to have this moment discovering moment when were discovering something origins of something about the origins of the planet and this is sort of news thats danger just news thats in danger of just getting sort getting lost as a sort of footnote fundamentally footnote, but its fundamentally important oh absolutely. Important to us. Oh absolutely. Im glad focussed on im glad you were focussed on it. Your show, it. At the end of your show, were be talking, of were going to be talking, of course, about the israel gaza were going to be talking, of courongoing. the israel gaza were going to be talking, of courongoing. Were;rael gaza were going to be talking, of courongoing. Were goingyaza were going to be talking, of courongoing. Were going toa were going to be talking, of courongoing. Were going to be war ongoing. Were going to be getting well live. Were going live to Charlie Peters, our reporter at of the show reporter at the top of the show from aviv. Were also from tel aviv. Were also going to speaking military to be speaking to military experts, defence experts, Foreign Policy experts, and really getting into whats going on, including the International Response and also looking the response and also looking at the rallies held in london rallies that were held in london and elsewhere yesterday day. And yes , thats going to be what yes, thats going to be what were going be covering were going to be covering mainly. A few mainly. We also have a few surprises well. For some surprises as well. For some other news as well towards the end the so thats will end of the show. So thats will be some light relief, perhaps from everything thats going on, because i think for a lot of people been very people its been a very stressful emotional stressful week, a very emotional week , took huge amounts week, took huge amounts of division that is playing out, unfortunately, in the west as well. So were going to be looking at that and getting expert experts on as well. Expert experts on as well. I was very impressed listening to Charlie Peters from tel aviv earlier. I mean, im tel aviv earlier. I mean, im quite impressed really, that gb news is able to get someone out there and someone whos so kind of levelheaded and well informed. And i was saying earlier that one must pay tribute to the people out there for all the channels and all the stations reporting this. And many of reporting on this. And many of them find themselves in them will find themselves in dangen them will find themselves in danger. Themselves danger. Theyll find themselves in physical danger and theyll find themselves. I think, in emotional because theyre emotional danger because theyre going have to report going to see and have to report on really terrible things. And i on really terrible things. And i think its just a moment. Perhaps know, while theres perhaps you know, while theres been lot criticism been a lot of criticism of journalists and while theres this raging the bbc this debate raging about the bbc actually to the actually to pay tribute to the importance and the importance of journalism and the extraordinary that extraordinary courage that it often think thats often requires, i think thats absolutely right. Charlie , going to tel and charlie, going to tel aviv there are aviv while there are bombardments ongoing, its a brave thing to do. And hes bringing us absolutely fantastic level headed coverage from there. Speaking to all the important people that he can. And hes had to, you know, head to the shelters. Many times now. So clearly a scary so its clearly a scary situation for anyone. And i think hes doing a fantastic job. And, yes, we must also pay tribute to all of the press and all of those people, war correspondents, foreign correspondents, foreign correspondents are out correspondents who are out there, some in gaza , some in there, some in gaza, some in israel. And yes , fantastic job. Israel. And yes, fantastic job. Im not sure if i would do it, but there you go. It may show respect to them, may lie ahead of you in your career. You never know. But your career. You never know. But your show is coming up in a moment. Emily carver, thank you for being thank you being on with me. And thank you to today for to all my guests today for making themselves available on a sunday do so much sunday morning. I do so much appreciate that. I will be back next then , goodbye. Next week. Until then, goodbye. Hello there. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. A rather chilly start to the day for many of us, but there is a decent amount of sunshine that is thanks to this area of pressure that is area of High Pressure that is situated the uk. But do situated across the uk. But do nofice situated across the uk. But do notice there are features notice there are some features moving of moving across the top end of that system. So that High Pressure system. So some rain some showery outbreaks of rain for northern scotland will be a cloudier day here. Might see some those showers some of those showers pushing slightly further southwards into other. But a other coastal districts. But a lot northern ireland, england lot of northern ireland, england and be dry with and wales will be dry with a decent amount sunshine. Decent amount of sunshine. Temperatures struggling, though not seeing much higher than 9 to 12 c for many of us. So rather cold. If you are stepping outside and the fine conditions will continue into this evening and overnight, though, the showers across scotland showers across northern scotland will more towards the will ease back more towards the coastal and all of coastal districts and all of inland areas will stay dry. Isolated mist and fog patches forming overnight and temperatures again will be dropping chilly one dropping off. Pretty chilly one for most of us. Rural frosts certainly possible once again across central southern scotland and northern england. Well and into northern england. Well be a bit more cloud around on monday. A bit milkier monday. So skies a bit milkier any sunshine that we do get will be hazy, but some sunshine still trying to its way through trying to poke its way through at. Showers perhaps now at times. Showers perhaps now pushing southeast pushing into the far southeast of still across of england. Some still across northern scotland where it will also touch breezier. The also be a touch breezier. The breeze strengthening across breeze also strengthening across southwest temperatures southwest england. Temperatures may up degree or so, but may be up by a degree or so, but still than 12 to still not much higher than 12 to 13 c. Something much more unsettled arriving as we head into the second half of the week, though, with heavy rain by who is it . Were here for the show. For were here for the show. For energy this time. Welcome to the dinosaur hour. Welcome to the dinosaur hour. I was married to a therapist. I was married to a therapist. And you survived. And you survived. I thought we were getting hugh laurie, second best imam. Hugh laurie, second best imam. At least you interviewed saddam hussein. Whats that like . I was hussein. Whats that like . I was terrified. Im playing strip poker with these three. Oh no, thank you. My cds need to be put in alphabetical order. Oh are you going to be problematic again . Going to be problematic again . The dinosaur for our sunday the 29th of october at 9 00 on gb news. Hello and welcome to gb news sunday. Thank you for joining hello and welcome to gb news sunday. Thank you forjoining us sunday. Thank you for joining us this lunchtime. Im emily carver for and the next two hours, i will be keeping you company on your tv online digital your tv online and digital radio. Coming up this hour, radio. So coming up this hour, thousands of Palestinian Civilians in Gaza Continue to flee to the southern half of the strip after israels order for over a million residents to flee. Even over a million residents to flee. Even hospitals have been told to evacuate , to move the world to evacuate, to move the World Health Organisation has said is tantamount to a death sentence. Hamas has told gaza residents to stay put. Then as protests erupt stay put. Then as protests erupt across europe, thousands of people took to the streets of london yesterday to march in a pro palestinian demonstration when police warned that anyone showing support for hamas or deviating from the route could face arrest. In a Statement Released late last night, the met police says they made seven arrests during the day and a further eight in the evening. Further eight in the evening. And coming