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Killed ali kadi, the hamas commander who led the assault on israeli settlements last saturday. Israel says hamas is Still Holding at least 120 hostages. Israeli media reports bodies of captives have been found during raids. The united found during raids. The united nafionsis found during raids. The United Nations is warning that over 2 Million People are at risk as water runs out and humanitarian aid is blocked from going into gaza. Aid is blocked from going into gaza. A palestinian rescue team gaza. A palestinian rescue team was hit by a missile while they were attempting to care for wounded among the rubble, the Israeli Military says it is destroying hamas targets in its strikes and has killed dozens from the militant group. From the militant group. Casualties are being brought to hospitals in south gaza as tens of thousands struggle to flee the shelling. Israeli journalist johan confino told gb news that if those being told to move do not do so, the death toll could rise to much higher numbers as well. The latest is that there were just rockets fired over tel aviv , so i had to run for shelter just a couple of minutes ago. But of course, there is another situation which is more focussed on right now, and that is gaza, which is experiencing heavy bombard movement by israel and israel is of course encouraging civilians to move from the northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part. And i was just on an idf briefing, a military briefing, where they said they announced to said that they had announced to safe corridors where people can move safely for around six hours. And of course , theyre hours. And of course, theyre hoping civilians will do that because if they dont, the death toll in gaza will rise significantly. The Israeli Army Says its looking into the incidents surrounding the death of a reuters journalist in southern lebanon. The Lebanese Army says lebanon. The Lebanese Army says an israeli israeli missile killed reuters video journalist issam abdullah, who was killed on friday when missiles struck him and a group of other journalists near the border where Israeli Military and hezbollah have been exchanging fire. Lebanons Foreign Ministry said it will submit a formal complaint to the Un Security Council over what it calls israels deliver great killing. Six other journalists were killed. The un secretary general killed. The un secretary general says the incident shows danger of the violence is spreading. Of the violence is spreading. I want to say how much this demonstrates the enormous risk of spill over of this conflict. Of spill over of this conflict. Well, here in the uk, Counter Terror police are reviewing 55 new cases of potential terrorist content onune potential terrorist content online amid the israel hamas conflict. The metropolitan police says theres been a significant number of referrals from the public. The force is encouraging people to report content that appears to incite terrorism or any violent activity. The police will also work with Tech Companies to remove content assessed to breach uk terrorism legislation. Breach uk terrorism legislation. The entrance to bbc headquarters in london has been sprayed in red paint in an apparent targeted act of vandalism. The targeted act of vandalism. The broadcaster faced criticism from senior conservatives in recent days for maintaining its editorial stance not to describe hamas militants as terrorists. Hamas militants as terrorists. The metropolitan police says the incidents not been linked to any protest group. Thousands of protest group. Thousands of protesters are marching through Central London in a propane estonian demonstration. The metropolitan police have deployed over 1000 officers and are warning anyone showing support for hamas will face arrest. Protests are also taking place in glasgow, dublin and other cities across the world showing solidarity with palestine. A week on from hamas attack on israel , australia has attack on israel, australia has voted no in a controversial referendum to officially recognise Indigenous People in its constitution , an with over its constitution, an with over half the votes counted. The no vote is leading by at least 57. Australian broadcast leaders project that at least four states of its six will vote against altering the 122 year old constitution on Prime Minister Anthony Albanese , who minister Anthony Albanese, who championed the plans, said the country must seek a new way fonnard following the defeat. Fonnard following the defeat. At the outset i want to say that while tonights result is not one that i had hoped for , i not one that i had hoped for, i absolutely respect the decision of the australian people and the democratic process. Yes, that democratic process. Yes, that has delivered it. When we has delivered it. When we reflect on everything happening in the world today , say we can in the world today, say we can all give thanks that here in australia we make the Big Decisions peacefully and as equals. Equals. With one vote, one value. With one vote, one value. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now lets return to nana. Lets return to nana. Good afternoon. If youre just tuned in, its fast approaching. Seven minutes after 3 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua coming up, israels akua now, coming up, israels Prime Minister has delivered a stark to palestinians stark warning to palestinians saying that their week long retaliation against hamas is just the beginning. Thousands of palestinians are trying to flee northern gaza after the israeli army warned more than a Million People to move south for their own safety. Well be speaking to our reporter Charlie Peters, whos there in tel aviv. Whos live there in tel aviv. And well bring you the latest as it happens. Plus, ill be joined Catherine Forster in joined by Catherine Forster in london, whos attending a pro palestine the pro Palestine Rally in the capital. Stay tuned. As capital. Then stay tuned. As even capital. Then stay tuned. As ever, regular climate ever, the regular Climate Control 320, looking at how control at 320, looking at how safe really are electric vehicles after a spate of fires , vehicles after a spate of fires, an illusionist, uri geller. An illusionist, uri geller. Hell be my political spotlight this week. Hes live in tel aviv. Hes discussing what life is like on the ground in israel. For those who are actually living there as the war with hamas continues , then stay tuned hamas continues, then stay tuned at 5 00. This weeks difficult conversation. British israeli citizen Malcolm Brenner will be live in the studio now. He recently got out of tel aviv just a few days ago, but his family members still in the city, which remains a target for hamas rocket attacks. Well, thats all coming up in the next houn thats all coming up in the next hour. So, as ever, tell me what you think on everything were discussing. Email gb views at gbnews. Com tweet discussing. Email gb views at gb news. Com tweet at discussing. Email gb views at gbnews. Com tweet at. Gb gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. First, though, tens of thousands of civilians in the gaza strip are attempting to flee south as the six hour window the idf gave residents there has now elapsed. But there has now elapsed. But yesterday the idf told over 1 million gazans to flee from the northern half of the strip to the south of wadi gaza. The United Nations say that the order is horrendous , but before order is horrendous, but before the order, over 400,000 palestinians had been displaced due to fighting and the death toll in gaza for israeli airstrikes has risen to over 1900. Israeli Prime Minister netanyahu said last night that the week long bombarding of gaza was only the beginning and boisvenu by otzma hazrat. We are striking at our enemies with unprecedented might i emphasise , this is just the i emphasise, this is just the beginning. Beginning. Our enemies have only begun paying our enemies have only begun paying the price. I wont detail what is yet to come, but i tell you this is only the beginning. You this is only the beginning. Well, gb News Reporter Charles Peters is live in tel aviv for us now. Charlie, so aviv for us now. Charlie, so talk to me about whats been happening there. What what are happening there. What what are you hearing from the people there . Whats been going on . Well in the last five minutes, we heard some explosions here in tel aviv as the iron dome defence system likely intercepted the latest round of rocket attacks from the gaza strip over the International Airport here. That has been a scene of regular attacks since we arrived earlier in the week, 5 pm. Every day seems to be the time when hamas rise from their tunnels and launch rockets at our location here. But the main bombardment down in this country seems to be in the gaza strip, where the Israeli Air Force is conducting regular and severe bombing attacks on what it describes as hamas military capabilities in the gaza strip. Now this comes an hour after its its own two humanitarian safe corridors elapsed. That gave a window today of 10 am. To 4 pm. And that window closed an hour ago. But they are trying to move 1. 1 Million People south of north gaza in order to give them the ability to shape the ground with artillery and airstrikes before heavy armour can move in for that likely Ground Invasion, that invasion will be devastating if especially if hundreds of thousands of civilians remain in the north. Its unclear at this stage just how many civilians have moved down. Over 1. 1 million we know were there yesterday. And we have seen footage of them fleeing south, often in desperate states , children just desperate states, children just carrying mattresses on their backs, families with their with their belongings and their basic possessions in bin bags just rushing to get out of a total war zone. But we do know at the same time, hamas urged civilians to stay behind, calling the idf call a propaganda message. We know that the hamas militants do use civilians as human shields in the gaza strip , use civilians as human shields in the gaza strip, and use civilians as human shields in the gaza strip , and they in the gaza strip, and they would prefer more civilians to remain to reduce the efficacy and the proportionality of any idf invasions or strikes into the gaza strip. So it is a tense and dire situation over there, and dire situation over there, and it is almost certain to decline down very rapidly, especially as we expect if that invasion is launched in the next few days. Few days. Charlie, what is the in tel aviv itself, because youre there now , are the people just there now, are the people just carrying on as normal or as everything stopped and people are taking cover . Are just taking cover . Well , its back to normal well, its back to normal where we are. For example , since where we are. For example, since those rocket attacks we heard in the last ten minutes. But sheltering is common here. The air raid sirens do go up when the alert is given. You have a minute and 30s to rush to your local shelter and tel aviv is full of shelters and its very easy to get into that bunkering. So wherever you are, you just go straight into the shelter, wait for ten minutes and then come out. Its really quite extraordinary when it happens the first time because obviously for us, were not used to that experience. But here its just its just another day of being an israeli. And they have the an israeli. And so they have the rocket the minutes rocket attack, the ten minutes past, theyre seen past, and then theyre seen carrying on their lives as normal people , walking their normal people, walking their dogs after a very dogs ten minutes after a very heavy rocket barrage that we faced yesterday afternoon. But the wider atmospherics in tel aviv are still very much a city in a war zone. It is quiet. The streets are quiet. If people are out and about, they are because as they are preparing to go to war, weve seen plenty of idf soldiers having their last moments with their loved ones today while carrying assault rifles. And weve seen rifles. And weve seen volunteers working across the city gathering supplies, making meals ready to ship them out to civilians and soldiers across this country, which is fighting on multiple fronts. Well, listen, charlie, thank you very much. Well, of course, be joining you throughout the show and you keep show and you can keep us updated. Charlie peters updated. Thats Charlie Peters is there aviv. Now updated. Thats Charlie Peters is thereme aviv. Now updated. Thats Charlie Peters is there me throughoutnw updated. Thats Charlie Peters is there me throughout the show joining me throughout the show to break everything to us to break everything down to us as International Security analyst geddes will, thank analyst will geddes will, thank you very much for joining me. Now, this iron dome that is a feat of some engineering. I feat of some engineering. I mean, i was talking to charlie about the fact that israel about the fact that in israel they able to continue they are able to continue despite bombardment, still despite heavy bombardment, still , obviously, the bombardment is going both ways, but theyre able protect themselves with able to protect themselves with it. Talk through it. Can you talk us through a little bit about what kind of technology that is . Sure. I mean, its unprecedented technology. In for theyve had it in place for quite but in its quite some time, but in its literal sense creates dome literal sense, it creates a dome of protection over tel aviv and over key sort of locations in israel. And how it works is one of the ways that hamas has launched attacks sporadically into to israel has been to send send what we call indirect fires. What we call indirect fires. This is mortars. These are small missiles, short range missiles , missiles, short range missiles, which will simply be sent in, which will simply be sent in, which will simply be sent in, which will not necessarily be targeted at anything specific. They will just be indiscriminate in terms of just trying to create damage. Now, the dome provides this sort of protective measure counteract , measure to counteract, obviously, any of those missiles coming over and intercept them in the sky before they can actually hit the ground. So in its simplistic sense, its most simplistic sense, thats how it works. But the iron dome didnt work. Inevitably with this attack. This was very well coordinated, very well strategized by hamas at the last weekend where they came in under radar. They came in undetected and were able to obviously launch this horrendous and barbaric attack. And that was presumably because they were under the radar. They were the attacks were too low, which is why they why they used paragliders , for example. And they came in on those with you with with gpmgs, you know, with a 1me , a with gpmgs, you know, with a gpmg , a general purpose machine gpmg, a general purpose machine gun , you know, large machine gun, you know, large machine guns, 50 cals, which cause guns, 50 cals, which can cause absolutely devastation. Its not small fire at all. These small arms fire at all. These were meant to cause huge casualties and i think the one thing that we cant detract from, regardless of everything thats happened before and whatever the conflict has constituted in the past, whatever the conflict has constituted in the past , this constituted in the past, this attack by hamas is not an attack by palestine. Its an attack by a terrorist group. And this terrorist group were looking not to combat in a very traditional sense , a military against sense, a military against military. This was against innocent civilians , defenceless innocent civilians, defenceless civilians who had no option. Their whole objective was to cause as much traumatic devastation as they possibly could. This is absolutely the could. This is absolutely the playbook of islamic state, for example. Yeah , i mean, it is yeah, i mean, it is a frightening way to behave as well. And it its a mindset that when we look at it, we think, well, how awful, how could you do that . But it feels as though theres a level of theres been a level of indoctrination with people who are to commit such are able to commit such atrocities and appear no empathy. Mean, this this yeah, i mean, this is this this is always a challenge. Its whether it al qaeda whether whether it be al qaeda whether it state, whether it it be islamic state, whether it be haram, which be boko haram, whether which al shabab, these al shabab, any one of these terrorist , their terrorist groups, their indoctrination of their supporters will be those that are disenchanted, those that are displaced, have often displaced, those that have often very little to obviously achieve out of life. Quite often when weve seen with al qaeda attacks, for example, historically, many of their recruits and certainly many of the lone actors will be individuals that have had even low level criminality in their past. These are people on a path to nowhere. And therefore, theyve purpose because theyve given a purpose because theyve given a purpose because theyve vulnerable. And theyve become vulnerable. And as weve with the grooming as weve seen with the grooming thats online of thats been done online of individuals that have gone to a particular terrorist agenda , you particular terrorist agenda, you know, are individuals know, these are individuals which were susceptible and where the terrorists play very cleverly and very carefully is identify those that are vulnerable and more susceptible to that recruitment. And of course, the gaza strip, it feels like an ideal breeding ground because it is often known as its often seen as a prison. Its often seen as a prison. People often classify it as almost like a land prison, which and it feels like that doesnt seem to be a lot of hope for some of the young people there, although obviously hamas are not the population. No, this the general population. No, this is just, you know, were dealing with disenfranchised people who are in a situation where they are in in a situation where they simply, know, obviously simply, you know, obviously theyve been fed some doctor sin that makes them feel this way. And they want to i mean, ive spent time in israel, you know, ive tel aviv. Ive been to tel aviv. City. And is a beautiful city. And i spent a lot of time in the region. Theres good and bad to region. Theres good and bad to be both sides. And be said for both sides. And there is always going to be, you know, one side, two sides to every and somewhere in every story. And somewhere in the is truth. Nana as the middle is the truth. Nana as you always know, what you have is this boiling of is in this boiling pot of melting pot hamas. And this melting pot is hamas. And this is an evil element which very few people actually record size causes much harm to the palestinians as they do to the israelis. This is that entity which, as were seeing with the evacuation mission, theyre taking civilians. Theyre using taking civilians. Theyre using them as as shields, obviously, against the israelis. Theyre against the israelis. Theyre using hospitals, theyre using schools for weapon cases to stow munitions. And various other sort of measures that they can utilise in their counterattack to, obviously, the Israeli Forces. These people do not work forces. These people do not work by any ethical playbook whatsoever for. Well, this listen, will stay with me throughout. Youre with me. Im nana akua. This is gb news. Were live on tv, online and on Digital Radio. And well continue to bring you the latest updates on the unfolding situation israel and gaza. Situation in israel and gaza. But its Climate Control. But next, its Climate Control. Electric cars are coming under more more scrutiny. Just how more and more scrutiny. Just how safe are they . Is that i knew had dewbs co weakness from. Six 22 minutes weakness from. Six 22 minutes after 3 00. If youve just tuned, tuned in. Welcome on board. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Its now time, though, climate time, though, for Climate Control. Latest stories control. The latest stories relating around relating to the debate around climate everything Climate Change. With everything thats been going in the thats been going on in the world week, world over the last week, you would forgiven for would actually be forgiven for not about a group not having read about a group of climate scientists warning that up to 1. 5 million homes in the uk. Thats just here in the uk could face a higher flood risk by 2080, 2080. Thats if were all still here. If we havent. All well, due to the rising sea levels triggered by the melting Arctic Arctic ice. Meanwhile, Arctic Arctic ice. Meanwhile, rishi sunak own Climate Advisers have concluded that his recent delay to certain climate targets will actually end up costing brits money rather than saving them money as he had claimed. And finally, as the israeli army and hamas fired thousands of rockets at each other, what impact does such weapons have on the environment . And want to the environment . And want to discuss these stories. Im joined meteorologist joined by senior meteorologist and British Weather Services jim dale, also political commentator perry. All commentator lois perry. All right, jim , im going to start right, jim, im going to start with you. Seeing as youre in the with me. Thank you the studio with me. Thank you all lets all right, then lets lets start with the first piece of information that we learned about homes more people about the homes that more people are at of flooding. Yeah are at risk of flooding. Yeah the 2008 seems a long time ahead of us. And it seems like we dont need to bother with that. Thats thats the thats the negative answer to it. The positive answer in terms of whats going to happen or the realistic answer here is its probably sooner probably going to happen sooner rather later. Probably going to happen sooner ratiand later. Probably going to happen sooner ratiand its later. Probably going to happen sooner ratiand its already started to and its already started to happen places. Happen in certain places. Those people watching this program the program have been flooded in the last about it. All know about it. All know about it. Whats what a scientist so whats what a scientist saying this moment in time . Saying at this moment in time . Last two years of the last two years of accelerated everything that last this summer has taken them this last summer has taken them absolutely by surprise. Me included. And therefore this is going to happen before 2008. So start start. Im not saying go for your boats now, but im saying start, start thinking about it because its coming. Well, you look like youre enjoying change enjoying the little change thats been happening. Last week when your t shirt. When you were in your t shirt. How was you it. But listen, how was you love it. But listen, you sooner rather than you say sooner rather than later, theyre able say later, yet theyre able to say put number it. To me put a number on it. 2080. To me this i dont know, lois. This i dont know, lois. Yeah, well, you know, theres been no more extreme weather events now than there has ever been. And actually, the amount of deaths from extreme weather events are always happened events that are always happened are down over the last hundred years by 99. So you know, as per usual, jim comes out with this stuff, its not actually backed up stuff, its not actually backed p by stuff, its not actually backed up by the facts. And when people actually read the ipcc report, not the cover note or the press release, but the report , they release, but the report, they actually admit that in the report as well. So, yeah , i report as well. So, yeah, i dont agree with him at all. And 2080, i mean, look, you know , we cant even predict the know, we cant even predict the weather tomorrow and get that right. So how jim , how is 2080 . Right. So how jim, how is 2080 . How are we able to do that . 2080 . Well, first of all, ill tell you what the weather is tomorrow so i can get the absolute you probably got it wrong, though, jim. No, no, no. Look dry, sunny, cold, the of it. Cold, all the rest of it. Could have told you well, i could have told you that. Dry, cold. You that. Dry, sunny, cold. You literally, that literally, literally. That is everything. Being dry, sunny, cold. Havent cold. The only thing you havent said wet. Cold. The only thing you havent saitwell,et. Cold. The only thing you havent saitwell, its not wet. Thats well, its not wet. Thats probably will be in High Pressure. Look, pressure. But anyway, look, people things. People put numbers on things. Scientists and scientists do that. And these things time things get changed from time to time. Way, lois, the time. By the way, lois, the numbers of deaths have just overtaken in terms of those dying from heat rather than cold. You dead. Right. For the last. So many hundred years. But its just been overtaken by events. Now more people die events. And now more people die from the heat, from the cold. So thats the truth of it. Lois. Well, hang on, lois, respond, because just told us the truth. You think, though, lois, do you think, though, jim, even if youre right jim, that even if youre right about all of this stuff, that if we are prosperous and weve got capitalism is working properly and weve got loads of money to mitigate against all this stuff rather than the green marxist agenda that you promote, that actually it would be better for all the economies and all of the countries all over the world in terms of mitigating this alleged stuff that you say is going to happen. Well, to be honest, jim, lois makes a point because makes a good point because rishi sunak that sunak has now confirmed that actually its going to cost us a lot for this green stuff. Lot more for this green stuff. We go ahead with it. And if we go ahead with it. So, were all going to so, you know, were all going to be poon be very poor. The answer to the i think the answer to the question were to be question is were going to be a hell a lot poorer when the hell of a lot poorer when the wind hits the fan, the rain hits the fan, the floods the the fan, the floods hit the fan. Thats going thats basically whats going to happen. Deloitte, one of happen. And deloitte, one of those famous city firms, have estimated its running into trillions, trillions going fonnard. I dont want to put absolute numbers on it. I think these numbers can be thrown around like crazy. But lets make it clear theyre not in any way know whats way hiding that they know whats coming. Weve already seen the coming. Weve already seen the last devastation of whats last the devastation of whats happening two years, happening in the last two years, in this summer with in particular this summer with with floods, the with the massive floods, the heat waves, everything thats gone off. And that will only increase. Thats a prediction. Increase. Thats a prediction. Wait for 2002 for its coming computer models. Yeah. Which are nonsense. The models did really well during covid, didnt they , jim we covid, didnt they, jim we really trust the science , dont really trust the science, dont we . Jim i wish i had your faith. I really do. I really do. Ive got a lot of faith in science because its got us to where we are. Lois its absolutely, absolutely the case. You know, you decry people like nasa who send a robot onto a meteorite to gather stuff and bnng meteorite to gather stuff and bring it back. Im not sure which table youre coming out of. I dont know whether she did. Did you decry nasa for sending a robot out . Hang on. No, you said. But you said she did. Lois, did you . When . If you look at the alleged hockey stick model, which shows the temperature going up, which is the one that jim constantly puts on social media all the time since 1860, i was actually talking to a physicist and scientists today because ive ive been doing all the conferences, ive been doing the conferences, ive been doing the time at the ukip conference at the moment, and he said the computer models that were used to do that hockey graph thing were flawed that its were so flawed that its actually been completely and utterly discredited. Even in the utterly discredited. Even in the woke Scientific Community now is having any credibility. So, you having any credibility. So, you know, theres lots of ways of taking temperatures. The best way to do actually is over the oceans using satellites. So, you know , thats actually done, know, thats actually done, lois. Thats actually done. Look, this is this is my area , not this is this is my area, not your area. This is why i think your area. This is why i think you most your. Oh, okay. You take most of your. Oh, okay. Most of your spiel comes from social media. Ive been working in this job for 40 years. In this this job for 40 years. Ive seen whats going on. Ive measured whats going on. I dont to listen to social dont need to listen to social media terms of how that media in terms of how that works. Over what you works. However over what you know, we put out what wmo put out is all bona fide of information. Thats what youve got to get. Thats what youve got to get. Thats what youve got to get. Thats what youve got to get. Okay, fine. But but, okay, okay, fine. But but, but, but these people keep changing well. And changing things as well. And then parameters then moving the parameters and then moving the parameters and the then the numbers change and then everyone forgets what the numbers change and then everjsaid forgets what the numbers change and then everjsaid before. Gets what the numbers change and then ever said before. Gets listen, what they said before. So, listen, i want you about the impact want to ask you about the impact of all these that you of all these weapons that you know and all explosions and know and all the explosions and things that, because things like that, because here we about net zero we are talking about net zero and theyre going to cop 26 and talking about all these supposed, these supposed, you know, all these wonderful supposed, you know, all these wo to arful supposed, you know, all these wo to protect the environment. Do to protect the environment. But that but what about the damage that these causing to our these weapons are causing to our environment and indeed the air around they have around us . Surely they must have around us . Surely they must have a impact . Around us . Surely they must have a well, impact . Around us . Surely they must have a well, certainlyact . Around us . Surely they must have a well, certainly in . Around us . Surely they must have a well, certainly in terms of well, certainly in terms of the environment, i think you can see that quite, quite graphically on the on the pictures theres getting pictures. Theres no getting away whatsoever in away from that whatsoever in terms of climate to be frank terms of the climate to be frank with i think its a with you, i think its a minuscule, i minuscule, a minuscule effect. I dont think its a huge one. Not yet. Not unless some some big bomb goes off at this moment in time. I think its a very localised far less than some of the other things that are going on around the world, including co2. Okay. Let me let me come to lois, because i dont i dont im not buying that. Its very localised. Its very small, apart from obviously the human devastation, awful. Devastation, which is awful. Well, theres the secondary impact is the climate. Lois yeah, so, so jim is saying that if you use a log burner, the world is going to end next week. World is going to end next week. But if you, if you bomb an entire area that doesnt impact on the climate at all. Is this like his thing last week about painting your house white to you know protect it from climate know to protect it from Climate Change . Talking about . Thats exactly what the lois thats exactly what they do in spain and in southern france. Thats exactly what they do, because theyve learned lessons. Okay. Its sort of okay. And its the sort of lessons that need to learn. Lessons that you need to learn. So castigating what so rather than castigating what im saying, which actually im saying, which is actually reality these places, reality in these hot places, im suggesting to you that thats the direction of travel and thats what we should be doing. But point lois but but lois, but the point lois was was that you are was making was that you are talking about these small Little Things massive effect. effect. Ive pointed out but when ive pointed out something very vast, you said it doesnt make real impact at doesnt make any real impact at all. Im all. Which are the bombs . Im saying im asking if the war carried on and on and on. Course it would aggregate of course it would aggregate up the as a million up exactly the same as a million fires exactly the same fires would do exactly the same as as millions and billions of cars. Its are you looking at that . You looking at the damage are you looking at the damage and going out and the stuff thats going out in here . You see in the atmosphere here . You see it . So, so, this is like it . Look so, so, so this is like millions and millions and millions and millions and millions cars. Millions and millions of cars. Look. Yeah, is in yeah, look. Yeah, there is in addition co2, youre addition to the co2, youre saying doesnt make any saying that doesnt make any difference . Minuscule i you 5mm you were minuscule at you said were minuscule at this in time. This moment in time. So obviously , if. If goes so obviously, if. If it goes on and on, then it will on and on and on, then it will have a greater effect. But at the moment, in terms of the in terms of the general picture, it is it a small localised event is it is a small localised event that wont primarily affect lois and lois. And lois. But but you can have whole areas devastated by bombs. It areas devastated by bombs. It doesnt make a difference, to according top meteorologist jim dow. Yeah, what a load of dow. Yeah, what a load of rubbish. Rubbish. Well, see, thats the unfortunate thing. You see, jim, because, you know, whether it goes on for a long time or a short time, these these bombs are emitting, must a loads are emitting, it must be a loads of different chemicals, co2, phosphorus, nitrogen, all the things the things that are destroying the atmosphere. Area, atmosphere. But in one area, concentrated and for a long penod concentrated and for a long period of time, even a day of thatis period of time, even a day of that is bad. This has been going on for at least five days in israel and theyve been doing this years and its terrible this for years and its terrible for area at this in time. But but on a grant, the grander scale of things, it is very. Thats what it very localised. Thats what it is. Im not decrying, thats is. Im not decrying, but thats im not saying its brilliant, but going but this has been going on. Much jim. I dont know how much you know about the conflict, but this, weapons have this, these weapons have been going fro at least going to and fro since at least 2014. An opener. And 2014. Thats just an opener. And these are happening all these wars are happening all over just finding over the world. Im just finding it that climate it incredible that climate scientists are so focussed on me driving, a car and driving, you know, a car and this and that and these bombs and like that. Youre and things like that. Youre actually, you actually said a minuscule you me to if actually, you actually said a min wante you me to if actually, you actually said a min want me you me to if actually, you actually said a min want me t01 me to if actually, you actually said a min want me to add me to if actually, you actually said a min want me to add thate to if actually, you actually said a min want me to add that small you want me to add that small portion which happening at portion which is happening at this to rest this moment in time to the rest of it. E of it. Happy to. What im quite happy to. What about ukraine then . Thats been about ukraine then . Thats been a its exactly. The a year. Its exactly. Well the same goes on the same kind of thing goes on the same kind of thing goes on the same an aggregated same its an aggregated thing, doesnt matter these these doesnt matter where these these gases the end of gases come from. At the end of the im just saying this the day. Im just saying this war, this particular war is been going a give going on for a week, give or take. Of the grand take. So in terms of the grand scale of things, its not yet of the parameters of what other other im going to give the final 20s to lois. Final 20s please quickly. So im so sorry. Im so. So im so sorry. Im standing outside because the signal wasnt good enough in the venue where i am and i didnt hear your question. Nana can i just make a very obvious point . You obviously the most you know, obviously the most immediate is not immediate devastation is not going to be coming from co2 for people having rockets people who are having rockets fired the fired by hamas. Yeah, the innocent, israelis sit, innocent, innocent israelis sit, you know , people. So. Yeah, you know, people. So. Yeah, sorry, i didnt hear your question. Thats all i know. Were running out of time, but thank you so much. Its really good to talk to perry. And also jim talk to you, perry. And also jim dale, thank you so much. Right. Well, this is gb news. What are your touch. The your thoughts . Get in touch. The usual views gbnews. Com usual way. Gb views gbnews. Com on illusionist uri on the way. Illusionist uri geller. Now political geller. Now hes my political spotlight hell join spotlight this week. Hell join us from tel aviv to discuss us live from tel aviv to discuss what on the ground what life is like on the ground in as the war with hamas in israel as the war with hamas continues. But first, lets continues. But first, lets get your with. Aaron its 333. Im Aaron Armstrong in the newsroom to charter flights have now left israel as part of a uk government effort to get british nationals out of the country amid the escalating conflict , the the country amid the escalating conflict, the foreign the country amid the escalating conflict , the Foreign Office the country amid the escalating conflict, the Foreign Office has confirmed two flights less left earlier, with further flights expected in the days to come. The government had initially failed to organise repatriation flights from israel due to problems obtaining insurance. Problems obtaining insurance. But meanwhile the window israel has given palestinians to flee from northern gaza along two main routes without being harmed is now closed. Hamas says nine captives, including four foreigners, have been killed following israeli airstrikes in the region overnight. Crowds have begun to gather in the south of gaza after hearing that foreigners will be granted passage through the rafah border in egypt. Meanwhile while Israeli Defence forces are carrying out localised raids and Ground Troops have already entered the territory. Its the entered the territory. Its the first ground incursion by israel since last weekends attacks by hamas. Israeli air force say it has killed ali kadi, the hamas commander who led the assault on israeli settlements last saturday. Israel says hamas is Still Holding at least 120 hostages. Their media is reporting bodies of captives have been found during the raids. France is deploying 7000 soldiers to increase security after a School Teacher was killed and three other people were injured in the terror attack in the northern town of arras yesterday. It is being arras yesterday. It is being unked arras yesterday. It is being linked to the conflict between israel and hamas. France has raised its security alert to the highest level. The suspects been arrested with police saying hes arrested with police saying hes a russian born chechen and a former student of the high school. This morning, the louvre in paris was evacuated after receiving a written threat here in the uk, Counter Terrorism police are reviewing 55 new cases of potential terrorist content online amid the israel hamas conflict. The metropolit police say theres been a significant number of referrals from the public. The force is encouraging people to report content that appears to incite terrorist violence or activity. The police will also work with tech to remove content Tech Companies to remove content thats assessed to breach a uk terrorism legislation and australias voted no in a controversial referendum to officially recognise Indigenous People in its constitution. With people in its constitution. With over half the countries counted , over half the countries counted, the no vote is leading by at least 57. Australian broadcast project. At least four states of its six will vote against altering the 122 year old constitution in Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who championed the plans, says the country must seek a new way fonnard following the defeat. Thats it for the the defeat. Thats it for the moment from me. Ill be back with more at the top of the next houn with more at the top of the next hour. More now on our website, gbnews. Com. Gbnews. Com. Gb news. Com. Well, gbnews. Com. Well, coming up, its political spotlight. Uri geller will be live from tel aviv to discuss what life is like on the ground in israel as the war with hamas continues. But next, colonel richard kemp is in israel and he joins me to give me his view on what life is like on the ground. Obviously, theres been of lots theres been lots of lots happening there. Catch happening there. Well catch up with him. From. Six till 930. From. Six till 930. Its us coming up to 41 minutes after 3 00. Welcome on board. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Dont forget as well. You can download the gb news app and check all the programs and check out all the programs im but lots of im nana akua. But if lots of things going on at the moment. But its now this but its time now for this weeks political spotlight where weeks political spotlight where we on the terrible we shine a light on the terrible devastation today on the conflict currently occurring in gaza and israel. Now the latest passed the deadline for palestinians to evacuate. Northern gaza has now passed more than 1 Million People in gaza have been told to leave ahead of an expected Israeli Group ground onslaught against hamas. Us President Joe Biden has written on twitter or the us is working with the governments of israel, egypt, jordan and with the un to surge support to ease the humanitaren consequences of hamass attack and create conditions needed to resume the flow of assistance and advocate for the up holding of law and order. So joining me now is colonel richard kemp, former british infantry commander. Hes currently in israel. Colonel kemp , talk to me israel. Colonel kemp, talk to me about why why you are in israel at the moment. Im observing the conflict here. Im frequently in israel, particularly when there are conflicts going on and today ive been on the border with lebanon, where the situation is heating up there. Just before i arrived this morning, there was an attempt by Lebanese Hezbollah directed by iran, as hamas and Islamic Jihad in gaza, also directed by iran, to infiltrate israeli territory. They were taken out by israeli airstrikes. And while i israeli airstrikes. And while i was there, hizb again opened up in that same area with rockets , in that same area with rockets, and israel responded with a pretty significant attack against them. So its not everyones looking at gaza quite rightly, but the situation in on the lebanese border is beginning to heat up as well, which could potentially leave israel with a two front war in its hands. So what weve got on screen is a live shot of gaza. Colonel is a live shot of gaza. Colonel kemp, i want to ask you about this, because people often talk about the closeness with iran. About the closeness with iran. And it seems that the countries that feel like they have an involvement with iran seem to be involvement with iran seem to be in flux. In involvement with iran seem to be in flux. In your view . A lot of in flux. In your view . A lot of people have been saying that iran are involved in this in terms of maybe supplying weapons or perhaps finance. Is there any real evidence that is the case . There is evidence. Theres years worth of evidence of iran funding and arming and helping to train. Has hamas in gaza and also Islamic Jihad, the other major terrorist groups in gaza, theres acres of evidence about that. Theres acres of evidence about that. Theres also plenty of that. Theres also plenty of evidence of irans involvement with hezbollah. Iran creates hezbollah. Back in the 1980s, and iran funds ballade arms. Hezbollah directs hezbollah. And equally, if you go across the border into syria , iran is border into syria, iran is attempting to form and has been attempting to form and has been attempting to form and has been attempting to form a base of attack against israel from syria and israel a few days ago launched pre emptive strikes against airports in damascus and aleppo to pre empt the possibility of an attack on israel from there. And then, of course, we have the west bank, the judea and samaria , as its the judea and samaria, as its also known, in which iran has been arming or funding terrorist cells there to attack the israelis. So i would say irans hands , irans fingerprints are hands, irans fingerprints are all over this conflict in every aspect of it , all over this conflict in every aspect of it, and theyre working hard now. And their working hard now. And their rhetoric , you know, if no more rhetoric, you know, if no more proof was needed, their rhetoric shows that they want a massive uprising , shows that they want a massive uprising, not shows that they want a massive uprising , not just shows that they want a massive uprising, not just in the countries they control around or certainly influence around israel, but also around the whole of the arab world. What litvinenko nick gibb, thank you so much for joining me. If youll stay there, because want to have chat because i want to have a chat now with british israeli illusionist uri geller, whos in tel aviv right now. And uri, tel aviv right now. And uri, thank you so much for joining me. Its always its always so good to talk to you. Im sorry its these circumstances. Its under these circumstances. Aces. To get an aces. I just want to get an update with what its update from you with what its like, in like, because i know you live in israel. This is like, because i know you live in israel. This is your like, because i know you live in israel. This is your home. So like, because i know you live in israel. This is your home. So i want to get an update you want to get an update from you as to how the people there are faring and also how youre faring and also how youre faring this. Okay faring with all of this. Okay first of all, thank you again for inviting me onto your show just a few minutes ago, missiles flew into tel aviv. We were having trouble heanng we were having trouble hearing you. Can you come fonnard a bit or something near the mic . Because we can were having trouble hearing you. Can having trouble hearing you. Can you me now . Yeah its a bit you hear me now . Yeah its a bit better. Yeah so what im saying is , just so what im saying is, just a few minutes ago, missile flew into tel aviv. Into tel aviv. Thanks god that the iron dome shot them out of the sky. Theyre listening to instructions. Instructions. Oh, were going to try and fix your audio. But. But i can tell you, when you touch the speaken tell you, when you touch the speaker, it got better. Were going to try and fix it. Were going to try and fix it. Were going come straight back to going to come straight back to you, try and you, but were going to try and fix well come to you fix that. Well come back to you in all right. Well, in a moment. All right. Well, lets go live now to tel aviv and with charlie and have a chat with Charlie Peters, there, our peters, whos there, our reporter there now. Reporter whos out there now. Charlie, spoke earlier. Reporter whos out there now. Charother spoke earlier. Reporter whos out there now. Charother developments . Er. Any other developments . And whats on . Yes in the whats been going on . Yes in the last hour, us secretary of state Antony Blinken has been visiting saudi arabia, meeting with the Senior Leadership out there as part of his wider regional diplomatic journey to try and establish a us effort to prevent this conflict from getting out of hand. As many are saying, it already has. His Shopping List of demands and his diplomatic tour chief among them is to prevent a wider conflict to prevent a wider conflict to prevent iran from entering into this war and to limit the event of other iranian proxies, particularly in the north. From striking, we just heard from colonel kemp, whos been in northern israel today about those continuing skirmishes between iran, lebanese, hezbollah and the idf. Theyve sent hundreds of thousands of reservists up north to secure that border. But lebanese that border. But Lebanese Hezbollah are a more severe opposition than hamas. They have greater freedom to operate within lebanon than hamas do in the gaza strip. And that the gaza strip. And that prevents a serious threat to the israeli people. But the other israeli people. But the other issues that blinken is trying to establish in his diplomatic tour, he wants humanitarian , tour, he wants humanitarian, civilian safe zones within gaza where all these civilians can flee. 1. 1 million told to flee from the north of gaza. Yesterday, there are deadline for safe passage. Has now passed. And he also wants there to be a safe crossing into egypt in that rafah crossing , which, in that rafah crossing, which, as we understand, remains closed despite reports earlier today that it had been opened through diplomatic deals with the us. So diplomatic deals with the us. So as it stands, all the things that Anthony Blinken wants, hes not getting and it looks like the israelis are going to step up and continue their bombardment campaign on the gaza strip for that likely invasion in the next 24 to 48 hours. Wow, charlie, well, thank you so much for that update. Lets go over now back to uri, who i think weve sorted out the audio and i was actually asking uri with regard what people are with regard to what people are doing. I weve just lost doing. I think weve just lost the signal with eri. But joining me in the studio will get us well, so we talked about the technology dome, but technology of the iron dome, but now, know, this thing seems now, you know, this thing seems to so the to be escalating. So all the countries appear be countries that appear to be bordering israeli are all bordering on the israeli are all bordering on the israeli are all bordering israel. There are now bordering israel. There are now others getting involved. Others getting involved. So hezbollah, of course, i know richard kemp very well. Hes very good, colonel kemp. Hes all over it. So i think if viewers want to get a bit more of a broader perspective of some of a broader perspective of some of the intrinsic intelligence as well, them well, worth following them on socials, mean, the socials, but yes, i mean, the richard was absolutely on the money terms iran financing money in terms of iran financing and various and coordinating various different attacks. This concern , different attacks. This concern, development with hezbollah coming out of lebanon. And certainly i got wind of this a couple of days ago that they were mounting up their attacks. This is going to be really, really challenging israel. Really challenging for israel. And where israel and this is where israel is really its support really going to need its support from allies in certainly from its allies in certainly being to counter of being able to counter some of these terms of the these attacks. In terms of the other methods of attack which can be utilised , as is certainly can be utilised, as is certainly the underground tunnels, which are known as the gaza metro are well known as the gaza metro , if you like. The hamas have used for a variety of different reasons. Reasons. I want to go back to richard, colonel kemp. I think hes still there, actually, because i wanted to ask him because you mentioned i mentioned those tunnels, but i wanted him with regard to wanted to ask him with regard to obviously a lot of the theres a lot of the fact that, as lot of sort of the fact that, as charlie pointed out, lot of sort of the fact that, as charlie pointed out , that charlie pointed out, that blinken saying that he was blinken was saying that he was requesting things in israel are not prepared play ball. Is not prepared to play ball. Is that a in their that a risk in terms of their relationship with america . Relationship with america . I think the big the big risk with the relationship between israel and america is if the United States gets cold feet over this conflict , its United States gets cold feet over this conflict, its going to be a very war. It may go on for quite a long time, particularly if the Northern Front opens up as well as gaza. But even in gaza alone, were going to see many, unfortunately, many , many unfortunately, many, many civilian casualties. Thats not israels fault. Thats the fault of hamas , who fight from within of hamas, who fight from within the civilian population. An and if israel wants to prevent the kind of thing that happened last weekend happening again and the incessant rocket fire, then israel deal with it. Even israel has to deal with it. Even if does mean the innocent if that does mean the innocent civilians dying, which unfortunate it will, despite the efforts israel takes to prevent it. Now of course, you know, weve already seen in the media and among some analysts and political leaders , weve seen political leaders, weve seen people accusing israel of war crimes, saying this has got to stop. Its got to be a diplomatic solution, not a war. America is the key player here. If america continues to back israel as it is doing now strongly, then israel will continue this until it has removed hamas and eliminated hamass capability to attack. If, on the other hand , the us if, on the other hand, the us president , Anthony Blinken and joe biden , if they say this is joe biden, if they say this is enough , youve got to stop it, enough, youve got to stop it, then that puts israel into a real dilemma because as the government of israel must decide , are we going to go along with our strongest ally on whom we depend for . So much, or are we going to do the job that the entire israeli population, every Single Person ive spoken to since ive been out here, wants this ended once and for all. After so many years of attacks from gaza against israeli civilians. Whats that . You civilians. Whats that . You know, what do they do . Which do they do . And its really a big question mark, i think, that runs into the future. Runs into the future. Well, thank you very much, colonel richard kemp. Really good to talk to you out there live in tel aviv. Well, i hope to get in touch with them again tomorrow. Joining me in the studio us well, mean , studio will get us well, i mean, hes talked that most hes talked about it that most of in israel that of the people in israel that hes want you hes spoken to want this, you know, something done about know, want something done about this. Is that obviously this. My fear is that obviously this. My fear is that obviously this is hamas. Were dealing with this who have instigated this. This isnt the, you know, the people of gaza who probably want to live in peace like those israel people. Most people want peace. They want to get on with their lives and be progressive and successful. But my fear is that, if israel that, you know, if israel retaliate sense that feels retaliate in a sense that feels some may feel is too much , which some may feel is too much, which i dont know what is too much, i dont know where the line is drawn. There then it could end up small little cells, up creating small little cells, which then create another set of terrorists who are not happy with what has happened. And with what has happened. And therell those whove lost therell be those whove lost family. So forth family. And so on and so forth in the other parts who wont be happy with that. Yeah, i mean, theres always that risk. Theres that that risk. Theres always that risk going get risk that youre going to get those will directly those that will be directly affected, whether that be through family members through losses of family members close loved ones and like close to loved ones and the like , and believe that they want retribution. And the only way retribution. And the only way that they achieve that is by that they can achieve that is by being recruited or joining or, you say , you know, conscripting to say, someone like hamas. What weve got to understand here is that hamas are liked anybody. Hamas are not liked by anybody. You know, hamas right now will be using innocent Palestinian Civilians as human shields. Theyll be Holding Hostages down in some of the tunnels. They will be utilise using basically the palestinians to hide amongst and this is the challenge that that colonel kevin was just talking about. There will be attacks. Theyre not indiscriminate attacks by israel. They are led by intelligence. And thats intelligence. And thats intelligence is guided by technology. Thats satellite imagery. Human intelligence sources , which will be on the sources, which will be on the ground in gaza. And that will include some palestinians who will working the will be working with the intelligence assist intelligence agencies to assist them. Bearing in mind that them. And bearing in mind that hamas is causing much hamas is causing as much atrocities against palestinians hamas is causing as much atrtheyls against palestinians hamas is causing as much atrthey arejainst palestinians hamas is causing as much atrthey are againstilestinians hamas is causing as much atrthey are against israelis,1s as they are against israelis, you know , the fact of the matter you know, the fact of the matter is that everybody can do with the of removing hamas is the benefit of removing hamas is it almost feels as though hamas are trying to provoke a response. So they want they want a response. Like they response. It feels like they want to into want the israelis to come into their they have all these their land. They have all these secret that you said, secret tunnels that you said, what hamas metro call what is it, the hamas metro call it the gaza metro, the gaza metro, sorry. Yeah. Mean , the gaza metro is a i mean, the gaza metro is a real issue. I mean, this is something which the israelis will challenged by, but there will be challenged by, but there is technology thats being brought by and they brought in by the us and they are obviously providing it to the and the idf in the israelis and the idf in terms of utilising things like small diameter dumb small diameter bombs, dumb bombs, bunker busters. This can bombs, bunker busters. This can be much more precision led in terms of disrupting those tunnels, collapsing them , tunnels, collapsing them, preventing obviously those being used to hold either weaponry. But again , a lot of this will be but again, a lot of this will be down to intelligence to knowing what will be held in which tunnels and particularly because theres concerns and certainly intel reports, im is intel reports, im saying is human hostages and certainly israeli are being held israeli hostages are being held in some of them. 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Continuing with the latest on the conflict in israel hello good afternoon. Its just coming up to 4 00. This is gb news on tv, online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua. And for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the now. The headlines right now. This show opinion. Its show is all about opinion. Its mine, theirs. And of mine, its theirs. And of course, its yours. Well be debating, it. At debating, discussing it. At times disagree, no times we will disagree, but no one be cancelled. So one will be cancelled. So joining me is broadcast joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy, also former labour adviser matthew lazar. Before we get started , lets get your latest started, lets get your latest News Headlines with Aaron Armstrong. Armstrong. Good afternoon. Its 4 00. Good afternoon. Its 4 00. Im Aaron Armstrong in the gb newsroom. Two charter flights have now left israel as part of a uk government effort to get british nationals out of the country amid the escalating conflict in the region. The Foreign Office say more are expected in the coming expected to run in the coming days. Government initially days. The government initially failed to organise repatriation flights from israel because of problems obtaining insurance. Problems obtaining insurance. Meanwhile, the window given by israel to palestinians to flee northern gaza along two main routes without being harmed has now closed. Hamas says nine now closed. Hamas says nine captives, including four foreigners, have been killed following israeli airstrikes overnight. Meanwhile Israeli Defence forces are carrying out localised raids and Ground Troops have entered the territory. Its the first ground incursion by israel since last weeks attacks by hamas. Weeks attacks by hamas. Israels air force say its killed ali kadi , the hamas killed ali kadi, the hamas commander who led the assault on those israeli settlements last saturday. Israel says hamas is Still Holding at least 120 hostages. Well, crowds hoping to flee gaza are gathering at the rafah Border Crossing. That is on the border with egypt. The crossing which links egypt to gaza , had been closed since gaza, had been closed since israel bombed the area earlier this week. It remains closed at this week. It remains closed at the moment as the crowds gather there are trucks full of humanitarian aid have been queuing up to get into gaza. A Us State Department Spokesman Says us citizens in gaza are being encouraged to move towards the crossing to be ready if it is reopened , as there will is reopened, as there will likely be little warning and it may only be for a short time casualties are being brought to hospitals in the south of gaza as tens of thousands of People Struggle to flee the shelling. Struggle to flee the shelling. Israeli journalist Yotam Confino told gb news if those being told told gb news if those being told to move do not do so. The death toll could rise to much higher numbers as well. The latest is that there were just rockets fired over tel aviv, so i had to run for shelter just a couple of minutes ago. But of course, there is another situation which is more focussed on right now, and that is gaza, which is experiencing heavy bombardment by israel and israel is, of course encouraging civilians to move from the northern part of the gaza strip to the southern part. And i was just on an idf briefing, a military briefing, where they said that they had announced just to safe corridors where people can move safely for around six hours. And, of course. Around six hours. And, of course , theyre hoping civilians will do that because if they dont, the death toll in gaza will rise significantly. Significantly. Israeli army says its looking into the incident surrounding the death of a reuters journalist in southern lebanon. The Lebanese Army says lebanon. The Lebanese Army says an israeli missile killed the video journalist issam abdallah. Video journalist issam abdallah. He was killed on friday when missiles struck him and a group of other reuters journalists near the border where the Israeli Military and hezbollah have been exchanging fire. Lebanons foreign minister says it will submit a formal complaint to the Un Security Council over what it calls israels deliberate killing. Six other journalists were injured. Other journalists were injured. The un secretary general says the incident shows the danger of violence spreading. France is violence spreading. France is deploying 7000 soldiers to increase security after a School Teacher was killed and three others injured. Its being unked others injured. Its being linked to the conflict between israel and hamas. France has raised its security level to the highest possible level. The suspect has been arrested with police saying hes a russian born chechen and a former student of the high school. This morning, louvre in paris was morning, the louvre in paris was evacuated after receiving a written threat here in the uk, Counter Terrorism police are reviewing 55 new cases of potential terrorist content onune potential terrorist content online amid the israel hamas conflict. The metropolitan conflict. The metropolitan police says theres been a significant number of referrals from the public. The force is encouraging people to report content that appears to incite terrorist violence or activity. The police will also work with Tech Companies to remove content thats been assessed to breach uk terrorism legislation. Uk terrorism legislation. Australia has voted no in a controversial referendum to officially recognise Indigenous People in its constitution with over half the votes counted. 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Now back to nana. Back to nana. Good afternoon. Its just coming up to six minutes after 4 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Well what a week its been. Weve had the horrific aftermath of the unprovoked attack by Hamas Terrorists in israel because thats what they are terrorists. Im not sure why are terrorists. Im not sure why the bbc is struggling to call them that. If people terrorise innocent citizens. In a surprise attack for no real reason causing death and destruction through guns, bombs and unspeakable evil murdering families, including women , families, including women, children and babies, and taking hostages to be used as human shields. What else are you going shields. What else are you going to call them . The bbc have form for this, though , amongst other for this, though, amongst other names theyve referred to isis as a Jihadist Group , isis as a Jihadist Group, isis fighters and is members as though they were part of a gym. They went as far as to say shamima bacon had said that she accepts that she joined a terror group, but they stopped short of calling them terrorist themselves. They didnt even refer to the ira as terrorists, but used phrases like ira man, the biggest and most active dissident group and the new ira as though it were a brand new item of clothing. The lack of item of clothing. The lack of reference was so subtle it went unnoticed. But in this hypersensitive woke war on words created by the left, its exclusion on now sticks out like a sore thumb. Nick robinson posted the reasoning behind it. Posted the reasoning behind it. He said no one watching the reports of my bbc colleagues in israel can have any doubt of the horror of what has happened. I horror of what has happened. I understand entirely why some want the word terrorism used. It want the word terrorism used. It is, though, the long standing practise of bbc, itv and sky to report others using that language rather than using it ourselves. Well, nick, heres ourselves. Well, nick, heres the dictionary definition to help you out. A terrorist is a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. See its not judgement, its the truth. Its no wonder people truth. Its no wonder people have stopped watching the bbc in their droves. I mean , whats the their droves. I mean, whats the point if they wont call a spade a spade and you could almost forget that somewhere in there was a Labour Party Conference where the most interesting thing was sir keir starmer being doused with glitter by a very posh activist who somehow managed to evade security to throw the green substance onto the labour leader who boringly kept them at bay with one arm kiss. Mike was left up. So what turned out to be an eco activist could say a few words in a very posh etonian voice as true democracy is citizen led, politics needs an update. We demand a peoples house. We demand a peoples house. We demand the peoples house. We are in crisis. We. We are in crisis. We. So the intruder was on stage for some 15 seconds before being pulled to the floor by female security. Good on you girls. I think it was a set up, by the way, to make the labour leader look more manly. And in control. I mean, why leave his mike up a ploy i mean, why leave his mike up a ploy to make you forget that he never mentioned immigration and banged on about building houses . Banged on about building houses . You can build many houses as you can build as many houses as you if dont you like here, but if you dont stop boats, theyll never be stop the boats, theyll never be enough. Whole speech enough. I mean, the whole speech received high praise, it was received high praise, but it was boring. Received high praise, but it was bonng. I on received high praise, but it was boring. I on the couch boring. Long i lay on the couch in my office and fell asleep. But all of that politicking pales into insignificance when you the horror unfolding in you see the horror unfolding in the middle east. Israel have ordered the evacuation of approximately 1. 1 Million People in gaza in preparation for retaliatory strikes against hamas for evil they hamas for the evil they unleashed last week. But thankfully we here in the uk havent had to deal with a war on our soil for some time, which is why i suspect the left, who have themselves have busied themselves and distracted fakery, distracted us with fakery, things like gender ideology, for example, which shouldnt even be a thing. Their obsession with diversity and inclusion and net zero, doesnt add up the zero, which doesnt add up the world is at a tipping point. Forget Climate Change and 2050, the way were going on, well be lucky if we get through the next few years. So coming up, few years. So coming up, israels Prime Minister has delivered a stark warning to palestinians, saying that their week long retaliation against hamas is just the beginning. Thousands of palestinians are trying to flee the northern gaza after the israeli army warned that more a Million People that more than a Million People needed to move south for their own safety. Stay with us here on own safety. Stay with us here on gb and well bring you the gb news and well bring you the latest happens. Then for latest as it happens. Then for the british this the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour, are to we soft hour, im asking, are to we soft on crime a prisons reached capacity. Justice secretary alex chalk come under scrutiny as chalk has come under scrutiny as potential criminals might not be seen or sent to prison. So are we getting soft on crime or even softer than a full 50 royal roundup time . Well be giving you the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu, the king prince, the prince and princess of wales. And yes, even harry and meghan have all issued statements on the situation in israel. Well be looking well be at that and royal be looking at that and the royal response. Then five, its response. Then at five, its this difficult this weeks difficult conversation. This weeks difficult conver malcolm this weeks difficult conversMalcolm Brenner will be citizen Malcolm Brenner will be live in the studio. He got out of tel aviv just a few days ago, but members still in but his family members still in the remains a target but his family members still in the hamas remains a target but his family members still in the hamas rockets1ains a target but his family members still in the hamas rockets and. A target but his family members still in the hamas rockets and attacks. for hamas rockets and attacks. Thats coming up in the next houn thats coming up in the next hour. As ever, tell me what you think on everything were discussing. Email gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. Gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. All right, lets at. Gb news. All right, lets get started. Lets welcome again to my Panel Political commentator matthew lazor, and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. Right. So lizzie cundy. Right. So obviously horrific, horrific news about whats been going on. I mean, lizzie, whats your whats your thoughts on it . Well, it was just i mean, i couldnt believe when i woke up to the news what happened last week. Absolutely disgusting, barbaric. I absolutely disgusting, barbaric. I mean, just absolutely disgusting, barbaric. I mean, just the worst barbaric. I mean, just the worst you could ever imagine i would ever see in my lifetime. It is. I mean, the i just havent got words for it. Its too awful. And sadly, i have a friend who is still has her daughter missing that was at that festival which was for peace and, you know, for what . This wasnt just an attack on israeli. She this was an absolute International Attack because we have our own that have that have been killed here in great britain, america , thailand, all britain, america, thailand, all over international and it is absolute disgusting that anyone can even side with hamas who are terrorists. And thats what they should be called. And the and the bbc, im absolutely ashamed that they they wont theyve called them Freedom Fighters as militants. They are terrorist. Militants. They are terrorist. And thats what they are. I noticed Nick Robinson in that message did try to bag itv and sky in the same comment as though theyre of similar ilk. But pretty sure on sky and but im pretty sure on sky and even they have even on itv, they would have called them terrible. I think they have used the word terrorists. Know why he was yes. I dont know why he was saying trying to make it saying he was trying to make it look not just us. Look like its not just us. Yeah. Yeah. I yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, know, yeah. I mean, you know, i worked the as you worked for the bbc for as you did i think this puts did nana and i think this puts bbc people in a very difficult position. There were various reasons for various for theres various sensible reasons careful reasons for being careful about using using using the word terrorist, using it as it sparingly. But clearly, as lizzie the that we lizzie says, the events that we saw weekend and the events saw last weekend and the events since because weve since as well, because weve seen clearly are seen further murders clearly are acts of terrorism. Use the dictionary you use the dictionary definition are definition and they are literally so the bbc just literally that. So the bbc just got itself in a silly mess. Its just shame and its just such a shame because this become the because this has now become the issue should you issue when we should be, you know, other things. Know, focusing on other things. But it means so much to people you know, for is people to, you know, for what is so horrific be called so horrific to be called terrorism. So its just its just its just really, really sad bbc isnt being sad that the bbc isnt being more fleet foot and being more fleet of foot and being sensible word sensible in using the word terrorism when its when terrorism when its when terrorism happening and there terrorism is happening and there arent me celebrities arent enough for me celebrities that normally pipe up the that do normally pipe up the gary lineker and emma thompson, who havent actually mentioned this. And theyre always quick to talk about immigration. Net zero, the language of germany was what he was saying or the germany in the 30s, which was a nonsense comparison because now were seeing what happened in the 30s almost play out in front of us. So if he thinks he can equate any that, so are their any of that, so where are their voices any of that, so where are their voitand for me, the mayor of and for me, the mayor of london, i think its absolutely appalling that hes not come out more in favour for the israelis. I mean, look, weve got four Jewish Schools that have had to close. Whod have thought that my friends son couldnt wear his blazer . Who goes jewish his blazer . Who goes to a Jewish School . And there, you know, school . And there, you know, theyve got Police Outside the synagogues today , which is synagogues today, which is sabbath just sabbath day. Its just appalling. Where is the mayor of london . Why isnt he reassuring , london . Why isnt he reassuring, you know, to the Jewish Community of their safety and just saying hes standing with them . He may be he may be stepping back to sort of not try and inflame anything, because obviously we the protests obviously we have the protests and now but i do and the streets now. But i do 100 agree that you are 100 agree that if you are promoting, like if promoting, you know, like if youre protesting of youre protesting in favour of hamas, that cannot be hamas, then that cannot be acceptable. You are supporting a terrorist organisation. But of course the right to course there is the right to protest in this country. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thankfully from what absolutely. Seen, thankfully from what absolutely. Seen, todaysfully from what absolutely. Seen, todays protestwm what absolutely. Seen, todays protest in what ive seen, todays protest in london and others around the country peaceful. But country have been peaceful. But it feel uncomfortable it makes me feel uncomfortable just here, just literally on my way here, seeing in seeing people draped in palestinian flags, which, you know, made me feel know, it made me feel uncomfortable because, of course. Uncomfortable because, of course , to protest, its legitimate to protest, but one of the things that people i hope people should be protesting hamas, protesting about is about hamas, because hamas is holding the palestinian. Palestinian people hostage. Wouldnt you . But think that, wouldnt you . But perhaps element of perhaps that is an element of the protest. Dont know. But the protest. We dont know. But we also weve more placards we also weve see more placards condemning hamas. We also know that palestine, so that within palestine, in so within gaza and the west bank and places that as it is a and those places that as it is a terrorist organisation, they havent elections many havent had elections for many years a lot of the people years that a lot of the people there be frightened to there would be frightened to actually speak out. Absolutely. So that. Actually speak out. Absolutely. So people that. Actually speak out. Absolutely. So people in that. Actually speak out. Absolutely. So people in london that. Actually speak out. Absolutely. So people in london have. But people in london have have the able to criticise. Didnt you feel uncomfortable yourself seeing labour yourself seeing the labour conference the conference and seeing the protesting outside and, you know, not within a 24 hours . Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. But they were outside lizzie, not inside. And they were outside and jeremy not Strong Enough. And thats why im very glad jeremy not the Jeremy Corbyn is not in the labour party. Jeremy corbyn is not in the lab he party. Jeremy corbyn is not in the lab he paricome back to that. We he will come back to that. We will discuss that. But weve actually foster will discuss that. But weve actualactually foster will discuss that. But weve actual actually outside, roster will discuss that. But weve actualactually outside, whos will discuss that. But weve actua at tually outside, whos will discuss that. But weve actua at tually ntheide, whos will discuss that. But weve actua at tually nthe protests� s will discuss that. But weve actua at tually nthe protests at there at one of the protests at there at one of the protests at the so i to go live the moment. So i want to go live to well, she was live to her. Well, she was live actually earlier today. So marches were taking place in support palestinians , and support of the palestinians, and thats across uk today with thats across the uk today with one of the biggest of which lizzie london, lizzie mentioned in london, several thousand people marched from bbcs broadcasting from the bbcs new broadcasting house downing street, and house to downing street, and more Police Officers more than 1000 Police Officers were deployed to maintain order. Now, Political Correspondent Catherine Foster was at the march and sent us this report. March and sent us this report. Thousands of people at this pro palestinian rally in Central London. It began up outside the bbc a couple of hours ago. Its processed over a mile through Central London to end up here outside the gates of downing street, just about 100 yards over my left shoulder, a real mix of people here, i have to say , i havent seen any signs of say, i havent seen any signs of trouble. The police were expecting about 10,000 demonstrators. Theyve got about a thousand. And police here, some on horseback , some armed. Some on horseback, some armed. They made it very clear what they would and would not tolerate. They printed a route map. They said that anybody deviating from it might be subject to arrest. They also subject to arrest. They also said that although its acceptable to show palestinian flags and indeed theyve seen thousands of them today , that if thousands of them today, that if anyone was to show a hamas flag or a hezbollah flag, both the flags, of course , of proscribed flags, of course, of proscribed terrorist organisations that they would be likely to be subject to arrest. Also anybody inciting hatred or violence. Now theres a couple of Legal Advisers just behind their cameraman there. Job is cameraman there. Job is basically to police the police. So they told me that they are here to keep an eye on what the police do. And if anybody is arrested to make sure that they are aware of their rights. Now, they havent personally seen anybody arrested, nor have i. But in important to say there are many, many thousands of people here, old and young. Ive seen babies, toddlers on their fathers shoulders, dogs, elderly people, disabled people, people of all colours, even. There were of all colours, even. There were some hasidic jews out side a shop on regent street, standing with the palestinians, saying that the palestinian ions need to be treated well too. And of course this comes at a very fractious time where jews in north london Jewish Schools that were closed, theres been a huge rise in anti semitic attacks follow seeing the appalling atrocities of hamas this time last week in israel. But as things stand now in gaza, are really terrible situation for the population. Theyre being to told flee from the north, 70 of them have been killed by airstrikes on a supposed safe passage. And people have very little food , very little water little food, very little water power and fuel are being cut off. So a terrible situation. All around. So that was Catherine Forster earlier today. She was outside at one of the protests. But what she saw there were by the sounds were the people. There was a unity there, you know, of people who were actually more concerned about the death and destruction for both sides, is what i for both sides, which is what i would know, i would like to would you know, i would like to see more of that where, you know, talking know, the two sides are talking together about the death and destruction and wanting peace, because that that can be because i think that that can be the only way. Because i think that that can be the but, way. Because i think that that can be the but, you. Because i think that that can be the but, you know, many of the but, you know, many of the people in palestine people that are in palestine cant are they cant bear hamas. Are they really cant my friends, palestinian, her family are in the gaza. So worried. And the gaza. Shes so worried. And now the electric now obviously, the electric everythings gone and she cant get hold them. It get hold of them. It is so shocking. But hamas are terrorists. They they know and they are to goals in life are to sadly kill the jews and fight israel. And its so sad for the israel. And its so sad for the people. People. We will talk throughout the show with regard to that. And i wanted to bring us closer to home because i wanted to you know, to talk know, obviously, we want to talk about things as well about other things as well as that. To bring that. I wanted to bring i brought in the Labour Party Conference because it was happening. Of happening. Yes. Whilst all of this and literally this is going on and literally nobody a word about it, nobody said a word about it, apart glitter. Apart from the glitter. Well, sadly, the glitter, i think i can see why you might think i can see why you might think but think think that, but i dont think the deliberate. The glitter was deliberate. I think think it was more think it was i think it was more it was definitely up and not and not and not conspiracy. The woman who took to the stage to tell him to take his jacket off. Hes a good friend of mine and i work very closely with her. Shes carolyn forth and shes called carolyn forth and shes literally power shes a shes literally a power of labor party. Of strength in the labor party. She needs the of i think she needs the back of his leg. Was on the security. She she was on the security. She was the one who said, get your jacket the was jacket off while the mic was still think that they still up. And i think that they will be saying to mic, to will be saying to the mic, to the to the av people, why didnt you down . I mean, it you get the mic down . I mean, it is because, of course, is shocking because, of course, you all seriousness, you know, in all seriousness, weve attacks weve seen such tragic attacks on right . Mean, on politicians, right . I mean, the he had gone on politicians, right . I mean, the security. |ad gone on politicians, right . I mean, the security. He gone through security. He deliberately glitter. So it deliberately used glitter. So it was you know, its just was just you know, its just pretty much pretty hard to which is much easier i think it easier to hide. But i think it means that the next labour conference to conference is going to have to go the levels of go back to the levels of security that we saw in the blair know, my mum blair era when, you know, my mum couldnt chanel number couldnt take her chanel number five in so no glitter, no chanel number either. Number five either. Back on. So glitter back on. So glitter back on. Maybe starmer knows so glitter back on. Tw01aybe starmer knows so glitter back on. Two women starmer knows so glitter back on. Two women are tarmer knows so glitter back on. Two women are tarmnbecause what two women are now because to saved bacon, to actually saved his bacon, didnt they . Absolutely. They to actually saved his bacon, didrlookey . Absolutely. They to actually saved his bacon, didr look ey . A him jtely. They to actually saved his bacon, didr look ey . A him jtely butey did look after him and but i its the women to the its always the women to the rescue. Always the women the rescue. Always the women to the rescue. Always the women to the rescue. So starmer know rescue. Always the women to the rescu a so starmer know rescue. Always the women to the rescu a so is. Irmer know rescue. Always the women to the rescua so is. Buter know rescue. Always the women to the rescu a so is. But literally rescue. Always the women to the resclthato is. But literally rescue. Always the women to the resclthat glitters. But literally rescue. Always the women to the resclthat glitter i but literally rescue. Always the women to the resclthat glitter i mean. erally rescue. Always the women to the resclthat glitter i mean. e mean that that glitter i mean. I mean if only his speech was as glittery because big glittery because it was a big old with no policies. Old speech with no policies. There substance to it. It there was no substance to it. It was all big themed , big vibes. Was all big themed, big vibes. Everyone was cheering on core like mick jagger, but there was nothing in it. They were very, very they were very vibed up. Very they were very vibed up. Not gold. You didnt get the t shirt nana saying sparkle with keir. That available within two that was available within two hours the attack. Yeah hours of the of the attack. Yeah but his flip flops with but ive got his flip flops with his face instead. But if youre just join us welcome aboard. Coming up to 22 minutes after 4 00. 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Dont forget you can stream the show live on youtube. Im nana akua now. Weve been discussing lots of things. Were talking amongst things. Were talking amongst many things of Climate Change and Everything Else like that. And starmer. Got and keir starmer. Ive got a couple messages here, so i couple of messages here, so i will read out some of things will read out some of the things that saying. That people have been saying. Dave we were talking about dave says, we were talking about hamas says, hamas as well, dave says, i dont hamas vowing to dont see hamas vowing to protect israeli hostages and protect the israeli hostages and keep i can only keep them safe. So i can only assume they are happy to use them as human shields. I dont see of the protesters in see why any of the protesters in london demanding keep london demanding that hamas keep the or deploring the hostages safe or deploring the hostages safe or deploring the attacks. Thats what the hamas attacks. Thats what hes saying. Lots of messages coming as them coming in as well. Keep them going. Gb views gbnews. Com. Ill read some more throughout the show, for the show, but its time now for the great debate. This hour. Show, but its time now for the greaim debate. This hour. Show, but its time now for the greaim asking,bate. This hour. Show, but its time now for the greaim asking, are. This hour. Show, but its time now for the greaim asking, are too is hour. Show, but its time now for the greaim asking, are too weiour. Show, but its time now for the greaim asking, are too we soft and im asking, are too we soft on crime in an attempt to clear the Court Backlog and reduce overcrowding in prisons , overcrowding in prisons, ministers are reportedly considering giving some criminals more a third. Criminals more than a third. Yes, you heard it here, a third of their sentences. If they plead guilty. I mean, it is plead guilty. I mean, it is hoped that such a move would incentivise criminals to accept their guilt , thus removing the their guilt, thus removing the need for lengthy trials and speeding reduction of the speeding up the reduction of the record. 65,000 case backlog. The record. 65,000 case backlog. The justice secretary, alex chalk, is also expected to reveal a package of measures that could see more Prisoners Released early and spare criminals facing shorter prison sentences from going to jail. Whats the point . Eh . So with the prison population in england and wales reaching a record high of over 88,000, the government hopes its new approach could prevent pnson new approach could prevent prison overcrowding , adding prison overcrowding, adding something many argue has detrimental effects on prisoner rehabilitation. Oh, poor things. Rehabilitation. Oh, poor things. However, if they face a lower prospect of ending up behind bars , will potential criminals bars, will potential criminals be dissuaded from offending . Of course they wont. Theyll know course they wont. Theyll know that if they offend, they wont go to prison. So for the Great British debate, this out, im asking are too soft on asking again, are we too soft on crime . Well, im joined now by reem ibrahim, political commentator, perry benton, former chief inspector former detective chief inspector of the metropolitan police, and Denis Macshane , and also peter Denis Macshane, and also peter spencen Denis Macshane, and also Peter Spencer, political commentator. Spencer, political commentator. Dennis, i didnt say what you are. Labour ill go are. Former labour mp ill go with but lets start with with that, but lets start with perry benton. Youre a former detective chief inspector at the metropolitan police. Perry, what metropolitan police. Perry, what are your thoughts on this . I are your thoughts on this . I mean , at the moment the courts mean, at the moment the courts actually do give a third credit or for some people, if they plead guilty early. So its nothing new. But i do think we are becoming too soft on crime. I think we need to be protecting the public more. We protecting the public more. We need to be reassuring the public that government are doing that the government are doing everything they but is everything they can. But this is really an indictment on the whole criminal Justice System. If pnson whole criminal Justice System. If prison system is broken, if the prison system is broken, as it looks like it is with prisoner that recently and the overcrowding, then more needs to be done to build more prisons. Be done to build more prisons. But we need to be sending a message out to criminals that if you are to going commit crime, if you are going to break the law and if it is serious law and if it is a serious offence, you should be going to prison. So i do think we are prison. And so i do think we are becoming on crime. Becoming too soft on crime. We just. Dennis why dont we just. Dennis mcshane, dont build mcshane, why dont we just build more i dont get it. More prisons . I dont get it. Whats problem . Whats the problem . Anneliese . Why anneliese . Why anneliese . Houses, we cant build more houses, so build a railway from so we cant build a railway from birmingham so so we cant build a railway from birm buildn so so we cant build a railway from birm build prisons. So lets build prisons. Whats wrong with that . Well, whats wrong with that . I mean, were trying to get rid of reason. Of a simple reason. Got large number of weve got a large number of 83,000 people in prison, and thatis 83,000 people in prison, and that is compared to 11,300 fighting fit combat ready infantry soldiers in our army, our prison population way outstrips our army. Many more outstrips our army. Many more people in prison than most comparable European Countries dont mention america and only a third of them were there for Violent Crimes. And thats a ridiculous thing. I mean , our ridiculous thing. I mean, our police catch about half of the prosecute half of the people they set out to catch. Thats they set out to catch. Thats the incompetence of the police. The incompetence of the police. Thats half. Patel are you sure . I thought it was Something Like 6, isnt it . They only catch 6 anyway. So half of 6 isnt very many. Weve got prison basically weve got prison junkie prison junkie judges. Prison junkie politicians. A politicians. Whenever youre a bit , out goes cry. Bit worried, out goes the cry. Send more people to prison. And send more people to prison. And we now have compared to when i was a little boy, i think six times as many people in prison. Is improving crime . Is it is it improving crime . Is it improving the quality of our streets, safety of our streets . Streets, safety of our streets . We know the tories got rid of 20,000 Police Officers, uniform Police Officers in the last Labour Government put on the streets. I hope the next one does the same. And as a result, crime soared. I say to any gb crime soared. I say to any gb news friend listening, when was the time you saw a cop on the last time you saw a cop on the last time you saw a cop on the street . Actually , ill be honest with actually, ill be honest with you. Yesterday. Remember him . Ive seen a couple with ive seen a couple today with with those protests in london. I mean, there clearly is a mean, look, there clearly is a failure in the wider Justice System. I think the figure is system. I think the figure is about 6 of crimes in england and actually result in any and wales actually result in any kind punishment. But and wales actually result in any kind punishment. But really, kind of punishment. But really, you know, effectively police you know, effectively the Police Service resulted in service have resulted in creating crime a sort of low level employment. And i think its ridiculous that were not clamping down on these things. I actually do think dennis has a point that non Violent Crimes dont automatically go dont need to automatically go and result in a prison sentence. And result in a prison sentence. I actually think if youre selling marijuana, for example, that decriminalised. That should be decriminalised. Theres point the police theres no point that the police are being sort of using that time for those kind of crimes, non violent. Non violent. Well, why is that, though . Its illegal. Well, it gives a gateway drug. Lot of people gateway drug. A lot of people would and connected would argue. And those connected with often connected with it often connected with other drugs. Its i disagree that its a gateway but that gateway drug, but i think that with these non violent it is no, i think youll find it is. Youre accessing i mean youre accessing youre putting someone i mean youre accessing yo access putting someone i mean youre accessing yo access youre jtting someone i mean youre accessing yo access youre accessing eone to access youre accessing someone whos with all someone whos in touch with all these youre opening these drugs. So youre opening these drugs. So youre opening the point. These drugs. So youre opening the right . Point. These drugs. So youre opening the right . Wenint. These drugs. So youre opening the right . We were to right . If we were to decriminalise then could decriminalise it, then we could actually allow these kind of products the products to be available on the market and rid those market and get rid of those criminal in first criminal gangs in the first place. I think if end the war place. I think if we end the war on first and foremost, on drugs first and foremost, then were able to actually reduce those people reduce those number of people that and actually that are in prison and actually also the criminals. Also outcompete the criminals. But a separate but i mean, thats a separate point about point when were thinking about the justice the wider Justice System. Wonderful indeed. The wonderful well, indeed. With the wider Justice System, we actually need reform it actually need to reform it fundamentally and removing those individuals, reducing capacity. Individuals, reducing capacity. But also why Police Investigating hate crimes . I mean, these are the kind of issues. Well, you say that, but but people, for example, who, if anyone, carrying a hamas flag , anyone, carrying a hamas flag, you know, in a protest today that would be seen as a hate crime. So please, this week. No, no, no. That is a hate no, no. But that is a hate crime. That would be a hate crime. That would be a hate crime. I think that they crime. So i think that they should investigated. No, im should be investigated. No, im not im doing the not sorry, dennis. Im doing the show, you. Saying that show, not you. Im saying that Police Investigating police should be investigating hate dont with hate crimes. I dont agree with him thats point. Him on that. Thats my point. Peter spencer well , i mean, the Peter Spencer well, i mean, the suggestion that were getting soft. On crime because of this latest announcement, i think is so much nonsense, the same as the announcement, the story that emerged last week more emerged last week that more serious criminals are likely to be spared jail for longer. Its simply a case of the cart dragging the horse. The reason for this different approach is simply there is nowhere to put these people that the prisons are hopelessly over crowded. I mean, to some extent weve created a rod for our own backs in that, as dennis rightly points out, we do actually seem to lock up more people for longer than most other comparable nations. But i think this fits into a broader narrative of a crumbling Public Service as it goes along with a record waiting list for nhs treatment and crumbling schools. Huge , huge backlogs in the huge, huge backlogs in the court, which actually is a god given gift to keir starmer , i given gift to keir starmer, i have to say. That said , i do have to that said, i do have to concede that quite what hed do about it, given liam byrnes line about there is no money in the kitty remains to be seen. The kitty remains to be seen. So, so, so briefly then all of you. So do you think that were too soft on crime . Yes or no, dennis . Yes. Too soft or not . No not at all. Okay. Stupid on crime. Stupid on crime. Too stupid on crime. Peter spencen too stupid on crime. Peter spencer. Too soft . Yes, on a no. Spencer. Too soft . Yes, on a no. And also ibrahim. Too soft on and also ibrahim. Too soft on crime. Yes or no . Yes. I think we are on some and not on others. And perry benton, too soft on crime, yes or no . Yes. I think we are very much too soft on crime. Yes. I think we are very much too allt on crime. Yes. I think we are very much too all right. ime. Yes. I think we are very much too all right. Well, listen, all right. Well, listen, thank very for your thank you very much for your thoughts. At home, thoughts. Listen, at home, please id love to thoughts. Listen, at home, pleiwhat id love to thoughts. Listen, at home, pleiwhat you id love to thoughts. Listen, at home, pleiwhat you think. Id love to thoughts. Listen, at home, pleiwhat you think. Up love to thoughts. Listen, at home, pleiwhat you think. Up next,to see what you think. Up next, its the Great British debate this hour. Asking, are we this hour. Im asking, are we too on crime . Theres too soft on crime . Theres a pull on asking you pull up right now on asking you that very question. Are we too soft ever . Get in soft on crime as ever . Get in touch the usual way, touch in the usual way, cast your vote. Hear the your vote. Youll hear the thoughts panel. But first, thoughts of my panel. But first, lets latest news lets get your latest news headunes lets get your latest News Headlines armstrong. Headlines with Aaron Armstrong. Hello there. Very good afternoon to you. It is 430 for the headlines here from the gb newsroom. And extended deadline for palestinians to evacuate in northern gaza has now passed as thousands continue to flee south. Hamas says nine captives, including four foreigners, have been killed as israeli airstrikes in gaza continue. Airstrikes in gaza continue. Israels Defence Forces have been carrying out localised raids as Ground Troops have entered the territory. They continue to amass outside gaza. There Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that they are almost ready to go. He has said that the next stage is coming. That the next stage is coming. Thatis that the next stage is coming. That is netanyahu to his troops. That is netanyahu to his troops. A little bit earlier, israel says hamas is Still Holding at least 120 hostages. And israeli media reports that bodies of captives have been found during those raids. Well, crowds hoping those raids. Well, crowds hoping to flee gaza have been gathering in the south of the enclave. Theyre hoping to get out via the rafah crossing to egypt. And the rafah crossing to egypt. And certainly the United States has been telling its citizens to go there. These are aid trucks in there. These are aid trucks in egypt trying to get into gaza. Humanitarian aid is desperately needed. Humanitarian aid is desperately needed. The enclave has been cut needed. The enclave has been cut off by israel. Its a full off by israel. Its a full siege, so it has no fuel , no siege, so it has no fuel, no food or no water and no electricity. A Department Spokesperson from the United States state department has said that its citizens must move to the south if and when that crossing is opened. But there crossing is opened. But there will be little warning and it may only be open for a short time. Meanwhile, two charter flights have left israel as part of uk government effort to get of a uk government effort to get british of the british nationals out of the country escalating country amid the escalating conflict, the Foreign Office say more expected to run in the more are expected to run in the days ahead. Now france is days ahead. Now france is deploying 7000 soldiers to increase security after a School Teacher was injured and three others were schoolteacher were killed and others were killed and three others were injured. Terror attack in injured. The terror attack in arras yesterday is being linked to the conflict between israel and hamas. France has raised its security alert to the highest level. The suspect has been arrested. Police say he is a russian born chechen and a former student of the high school here this morning. The louvre in paris was evacuated after receiving a written threat and Counter Terror police here in the uk are reviewing 55 new cases of potential terror content online amid the ongoing conflict between israel and hamas, the metropolitan police say theres been a significant number of referrals from the public. Number of referrals from the pubuc. The number of referrals from the public. The force is encouraging people to report content that appears to incite terrorist violence or activity. And the police will also work with Tech Companies remove content companies to remove content assessed to breach uk terrorism legislation. More on all of our legislation. More on all of our stories on our website, gb news. Com. Stories on our website, gbnews. Com. But for now, its back to nana. Back to nana. Thank you, aaron. Coming up its this weeks difficult conversation. Ill be speaking to british israeli citizen on the devastating conflicts between israel and hamas. But next up, its time for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking, are we too soft on crime . Ill be joined lizzie crime . Ill be joined by lizzie cundy matthew lazor. As cundy and also matthew lazor. As even cundy and also matthew lazor. As ever, send me your thoughts. Email gbviews gbnews. Com and tweet ive got tweet me at gbnews. Com ive got a ive got to pull up right now on ask you that very question. Sunday mornings from 9. 30 on. Gb news. Welcome back. Just coming up welcome back. Just coming up to 42 minutes after 4 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Now lets continue with the Great British debate this hour. And im has the government im asking, has the government mismanaged the criminal Justice System . The is facing system . Now the uk is facing shocking overcrowding issues impacting efforts impacting rehabilitation efforts on Prison Inmates and justice secretary alex chalk will announce reforms to release prisoners earlier than their scheduled dates and shift the focus towards rehabilitation and addressing the causes of crime for lower tier offenders. So are we to soft on crime . Lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined by broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. Also political and former political commentator and former adviser to the labour party, matthew lauser. Lizzie cundy, im going to start with you. Are we too soft on these criminals way way too soft . Way too soft, way too soft . Why . I mean, do you know if why . I mean, do you know if you carry a knife around . I you carry a knife around . I mean, you should be getting five years in prison as as you do if you were to carry a gun because it is as lethal. You were to carry a gun because it is as lethal. But that it is as lethal. But that doesnt its not enforced. And sadly, whats happened sunak of dock green i call him is saying about the numbers and hes totally off track because we are in an epidemic of shoplifting now if you if you rob under £200 i think you get a you know , slap i think you get a you know, slap on the knuckles. You dont go to the magistrate because theyre too busy. So effectively its too busy. So effectively its decriminalised. Shoplifting car decriminalised. Shoplifting car theft. Ive got you some statistics because , you know, i statistics because, you know, i love. Oh, i love it. Good okay. So lets go back to shoplifting. So lets go back to shoplifting. 1 in 48 shoplifters who are caught only half are turned to prosecution. And car theft, prosecution. And car theft, which is up nearly 130,000 vehicles are stolen just 2 of over 97,000 car thefts led to any suspects being charged. And stabbings that have gone up to 50,000 offences, including sharp knives. Theyre not getting not getting not getting charged. What is going on . It is broken. What is going on . It is broken. Britain, i think its absolutely awful. Our prisons are crumbled ing. Theyre doubling up and we have 30,000 police shortage. So have 30,000 police shortage. So whats going to happen . We havent got the police. Its absolute shambolic mess. Matthew well, i think, lizzie, you hit the nail on the head that it is a shambolic mess. I think we need to be realistic and look at for, for minor offences. 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But for people who are committing serious crimes, they be in prison and we they need to be in prison and we shouldnt letting them out shouldnt be letting them out randomly because we didnt plan properly the prison service. Properly for the prison service. The government to be the government have got to be responsible for what about labour . What are the party what are the Labour Party Going to about going to do about it . Labour is going to do well, labour is going to do is on serious crime, is focus on on serious crime, but also get police our but also get more police on our streets, the streets, because one of the things is the loss of things weve seen is the loss of neighbourhood which is neighbourhood policing, which is so important crimes like so important with crimes like shoplifting that lizzies talked about, vitally about, which is vitally important. Labours committed about, which is vitally important. Extraabours committed about, which is vitally important. Extra police committed about, which is vitally important. Extra Police Officers ted to getting extra Police Officers on the beat in local areas because thats what people want to see were going to about to see were going to do about the because very the prison system because very sadly , from 18 to 36 years, 1 in sadly, from 18 to 36 years, 1 in 3 reoffend and go back in. There is no one there getting them , you know, back on track them, you know, back on track because the prisoners just get out of prison. They cant get out of prison. They cant get a bank account. They cant get a job. They just re offend because its life know. Its the only life they know. Absolutely. So whats keir starmer because, starmer going to do . Because, you he about homes you know, he talked about homes bulldozing all of this. He didnt really important didnt mention really important topics, did he . He theres a lot of things he didnt talk about. He didnt talk about the boats either. On. Boats either. But go on. 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If id been writing theive done it. If id been writing the speech, fought speech, i would have fought tooth it to be in tooth and nail to it to be in there, get him on to this show so he can explain that will do so he can explain that i will do my nana and also he will do nana and also what he will do about also about the prisons. But also do you matthew, are about the prisons. But also do you soft matthew, are about the prisons. But also do you soft on matthew, are about the prisons. But also do you soft on crime. Atthew, are about the prisons. But also do you soft on crime. Youve are about the prisons. But also do you soft on crime. Youve both re too soft on crime. Youve both agreed with that. But but agreed with that. 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Do you think that that way of some that is the way to sort of some crimes we should sort of like let you know, take them let go and, you know, take them out of the system . I think theres about drugs theres a huge issue about drugs and not we should legalise. Think that just i think the idea that just legalising actually legalising cannabis actually doesnt dont think that as it doesnt i dont think that as it happens america, most of happens in america, most of america canada, think america in canada, i dont think it difference america in canada, i dont think it the difference america in canada, i dont think it the prison difference america in canada, i dont think it the prison population. Erence america in canada, i dont think it the prison population. Should to the prison population. Should we debate we have a wider debate about drugs . Former drugs . Some a lot of former police its Police Officers think that its time have that time to have that have that debate. Tried debate. Portugal has has tried an maybe thats an experiment. So maybe thats thats the big issues. But in the we to at the meantime, we need to look at proper rehabilitation. As lizzie says, need to stop the says, we need to stop the revolving door where people go into come and into prison. They come out and they recommit by giving support. Them away. I think send them away. I think build think send prisoners away, build more they more prisons. Another well, they were now were talking about that and now theyve that. Were talking about that and now the� ill� that. Were talking about that and now the� ill never that. The ill never do that. The labour are going labour party are going to scrap anything this anything like that. But this shows nothing you shows nothing without you and your viewers. Lets welcome our great their Great British voice. Is their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about were about the topics were discussing. Ive got im going to head over to bristol. I havent lee while. Havent seen lee for a while. Oh, i miss lee. Weve missed you. Weve you. Weve you. Weve missed you. Weve lived hey, lived to see you later. Hey, lee. So we want lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to about this person thing. Lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to we about this person thing. Lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to we wayit this person thing. Lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to we way t001is person thing. Lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to we way too softzrson thing. Lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to we way too soft onnn thing. Lee. Right lee. Okay, so we want to we way too soft on crime . Are we way too soft on crime . And what, in view, we and what, in your view, do we need doing . Need to be doing . Yes. I mean, i, i agree with a lot of what the panel have said. Believe there are areas said. I believe there are areas in our criminal Justice System said. I believe there are areas in our we ninal Justice System said. I believe there are areas in our we arerl Justice System said. I believe there are areas in our we arerl ju soft. System said. I believe there are areas in our we arerl jusoft. Iystem said. I believe there are areas in our we arerl jusoft. I mean, where we are too soft. I mean, especially you look at some especially when you look at some of solutions being especially when you look at some of to solutions being especially when you look at some of to outitions being especially when you look at some of to out the s being especially when you look at some of to out the backlog floated to sort out the backlog of overpopulated prisons. Of our overpopulated prisons. You know, the problems is kind of twofold its that were of twofold. Its not that were just of prison just running out of prison places rates , but we places and extreme rates, but we are arguably not putting enough people in prison, especially when youre looking at convictions for serious offences like which i believe is like rape, which i believe is less than 2 at the moment. You know what find utterly know what i find utterly disgraceful, which sure disgraceful, which im sure other people have mentioned, is that were now apparently down to only a few hundred places left in adult male prisons. I mean , i know the government have mean, i know the government have built more prisons in recent years, but clearly not enough. I mean, how on earth did they let this like watching this happen . Its like watching a crash. You a slow motion car crash. You know, unbelievably, read this know, unbelievably, i read this morning are now morning that judges are now being requested , being ordered, not requested, ordered to consider the number of spaces in prison when sentencing. So criminals are already getting off lightly , already getting off lightly, purely because of logistical reasons. I mean, its insane. Reasons. I mean, its insane. And in my view , it makes us more and in my view, it makes us more unsafe. But the prison system unsafe. But the prison system genuinely have been warning about this for decades, and weve seen a huge increase in net migration. So bizarre to me net migration. So bizarre to me that ministers didnt see this coming and would build more pnsons coming and would build more prisons and schools and hospitals, etcetera. But this hospitals, etcetera. But this has happened before. In two has happened before. In two thousand and seven, labour let out 36,000 prisoners. And, you know , theyre about to probably know, theyre about to probably form the next government that. Form the next government that. All all of us saying , but labour all all of us saying, but labour are awful on keeping us safe. Well, its been going on for decades. Well, the situation has been a situation thats been happening over decades. Thank you very much, always you very much, lee. Always a pleasure. You very much, lee. Always a plearthat Great British voice. Hes that Great British voice. Thank you. This is gb news. Were on tv online and on Digital Radio. Coming up this weeks difficult conversation. Now speaking to a now ill be speaking to a british israeli citizen on the devastating conflict between israel. But up next, israel and hamas. But up next, well be going back live with gb News Reporter Charlie Peters in tel aviv to bring you the latest and update you on the conflict of policing might have pushed them on. Also, i guess that the pr. So its them on. Also, i guess that the pr. So its coming up to six minutes to 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Now, as we were discussing earlier, tens and thousands of civilians in the gaza strip are attempting to flee south into egypt as the idfs six hour evacuation window has now expired. And yesterday the idf told over 1 expired. And yesterday the idf told over1 million gazans to flee from the northern half of the strip , an order the united the strip, an order the united nafions the strip, an order the United Nations has described as horrendous. Before the order over 400,000 palestinians had been displaced due to the fighting and the death toll in gaza from the israeli attacks has risen. Now to over 2200. In the meantime , israeli prime the meantime, israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu , who minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been visiting soldiers on the front line, said last night that the week long bombardment of gaza was only the beginning and issued an ominous warning to hamas. The next stage is coming. Hamas. The next stage is coming. Even the otzma we are striking at our enemies with unprecedented might. I emphasise, this is just the beginning. Our enemies have only begun paying the price. I wont detail what is yet to come, but i tell you this is only the beginning. Beginning. So of course thats Benjamin Netanyahu. Lets go back to our reporter Charlie Peters is live in tel aviv. Have i noticed in tel aviv. Have i noticed there its quite dark there now. So im presuming obviously tel aviv is quite a few hours ahead. I would presume. I want to ask i would presume. I want to ask you now , then, are you has is it you now, then, are you has is it quieter now . Are there less rockets launching or have things got worse . As we know , the death got worse . As we know, the death toll has increased. Toll has increased. Well, gazans are now definitely in the dark as they flee south from north gaza after that evacuation. An order issued that evacuation. An order issued yesterday morning, it was extended this morning by a further six hours, but neither side made any sort of Public Statement after the 4 pm. Deadune statement after the 4 pm. Deadline elapsed. So we dont deadline elapsed. So we dont know whats going to happen next to all those people fleeing south and footage of them leaving north gaza and heading past the wadi gaza. That river about half way down the strip has been coming through to us all day. Footage of people leaving with whatever they can get their hands on, their suppues get their hands on, their supplies and their clothes and everything they need to survive, stuffed into bin bags, small suitcases and chucked in the back of whatever cars they can find. Many people choosing to flee on foot as they brace for the next phase in israels targeted attacks on the gaza strip. On the Hamas Terrorists strip. On the Hamas Terrorists gathering there. And benjamin gathering there. And Benjamin Netanyahu said that this was only the beginning of what they had planned. And there have been thousands of strikes on the strip since saturday evening. Strip since saturday evening. And i think in in in israel, there is, of course, significant pubuc there is, of course, significant public support for its army as it seeks to secure its borders and also defeat the terrorists who committed those appalling atrocities , as in southern atrocities, as in southern israel on saturday morning after that invasion. And israel has that invasion. And israel has enjoyed global approval for its moves into the gaza strip to defend itself and repel those terrorists. But i think theres terrorists. But i think theres also a lot of concern raising right now, especially in the International Community from western leaders, when they hear comments from netanyahu that this only the beginning after this is only the beginning after such a relentless barrage, its the violence israelis the worst violence that israelis have seen for 50 years. And many people in gaza are saying its the worst bombing theyve seen in decades. If this is only the start and more civilians are fleeing and stuck and cannot leave north gaza, many people are extremely concerned about what could soon come upon them from the sky, from the air and indeed from the sea. As we know that the idf have all sorts of capabilities for launching rockets and artillery into the gaza strip. They need to remove those Hamas Terrorists who have been launching appalling attacks into the country for the last week. But they also need to be very, very careful that they do not commit that awful phrase in war, extreme collateral damage, as if there are already 2000 dead civilians in gaza. And if that number rises significantly, they could soon find the International Community condemning rather than supporting their actions. Supporting their actions. But the problem israel have is how can you actually confirm who is a hamas terrorist and who isnt . Because obviously, you isnt . Because obviously, you know , hamas have made it clear know, hamas have made it clear theyre going to use people as human shields. So how are israel going to determine that they are destroying the enemy. Destroying the enemy. Well, they have obviously one of the most supreme intelligence organisations in the world, in mossad , an organisation so mossad, an organisation so advanced that they were actually able to warn britain about the seven over seven bombings in 2005, moments before they happened. They have an enormous Global Network and their primary focus is on the gaza strip. But focus is on the gaza strip. But beyond that they also will be delivering their attacks on the ground with great care. It will be a slow process when that eventual Ground Invasion does take place. I dont imagine that take place. I dont imagine that when heavy armour goes in first, they will be blasting every building and reducing everything to rubble. They will wait to be fired upon before they fire. Almost certainly that will be the strategy as they as they seek to distinguish between Hamas Terrorists and innocent civilians who do not necessarily augn civilians who do not necessarily align with the organisation running the gaza strip. But we do know that hamas seeks to blur the line between its fighters and the civilian population , an and the civilian population, an theyve been known to use civilians as human shields in the territory for many decades and that will also be part of the thinking. Why the idf issued that evacuation order. They simply cannot shape the ground with artillery for that Ground Invasion if millions of civilians are stuck in their homes as they seek to do that, its impossible. But again, there is grave humanitarian concern on a situation which is already dire, that it will worsen and cause a great deal of trouble for israel as well. If they seek to launch that attack and those artillery barrages while so many civilians remain stuck in north gaza. Stuck in north gaza. Charlie peters, thank you very much. Thats Charlie Peters. Hes live there in tel aviv. He will be following us throughout the day. Well get in touch him later if you just touch with him later if you just tuned in. Welcome on board. This is are the peoples is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Theres more the next hour. More to come in the next hour. Its 5 00. This is gb news for the next hour. Me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. Coming up next weeks difficult conversation. British israeli citizen Malcolm Brenner will be live in the studio. He got out of tel aviv just a few days ago, has family members days ago, but has family members still which remains still in the city, which remains a hamas rocket a target for hamas rocket attacks and for the Great British debate this hour, im asking china, russia, america, iran , who is the greatest threat iran, who is the greatest threat to global stability . But first, to global stability . But first, lets get your latest news headunes lets get your latest News Headlines Aaron Armstrong. Headlines with Aaron Armstrong. Good evening. Its 5 00. Im Aaron Armstrong in the gb news room. The israeli Prime Minister says the next stage of their conflict against hamas is coming. Benjamin netanyahu has visited Israeli Forces stationed near the gaza strip with a ground offensive thought to be imminent. It comes as an extended deadline for palestinians to flee safely to the south of gaza has now passed. Well, those people hoping to flee north northern gaza are heading to and gathering at the rafah crossing. Thats on the border with egypt. The crossing border with egypt. The crossing which links the two territories, egypt and gaza had been closed since israeli bombed the area earlier this week. It remains closed even as those crowds gather there. Trucks of gather there. Trucks of humanitarian aid have been queuing up on the egyptian side trying to enter gaza. Now, the trying to enter gaza. Now, the Us State Department says us citizens in the enclave should move towards that crossing and be ready to cross if and when it is opened. Its likely to only be for a short period of time. Im like really in fear. Be for a short period of time. Im like really in fear. And im like really in fear. And like every every time i just have to have the thought of me dying in a bomb in gaza like its not a good thing. Like its not a good thing. Like every place i go , i go run away every place i go, i go run away and i just find bombs. And i find that people and like , maybe find that people and like, maybe one day ill end up like them. One day ill end up like them. But its a really scary thing for me. Well, israel is continuing its total siege of gaza. Suppues its total siege of gaza. Supplies of electricity , Food Supplies of electricity, food and water have been cut off and airstrikes are continue saying. Hamas says nine captives that they have been holding , they have been holding, including four foreigners, have been killed as a result of israeli airstrikes. Hamas is understood to have at least 120 more hostage , as israels air more hostage, as israels air force says its killed ali kadi , force says its killed ali kadi, the hamas commander who led the assault on settlements in the south of israel last saturday. Now, the death toll in gaza has risen to at least 2259, more than 8700 people have been wounded. Thats according to the local health ministry. Meanwhile, we know that the Israeli Defence forces have been carrying out localised raids in the territory. Theyre looking for Hamas Terrorists and indeed hostages and we will keep you updated with that progress as and when we get it here on gb news. Meanwhile, to charter flights have left israel as part of a uk government effort to get british nationals out of the country. The escalating country. Amid the escalating conflict, the Foreign Office say that more are expected to run in the days ahead. The government initially failed to organise repatriation flights from israel because of problems obtaining insurance , but now here in the insurance, but now here in the uk, Counter Terror police are reviewing 55 new cases of potential terrorist content onune potential terrorist content online amid the israel hamas conflict, the metropolitan police say theres been a significant number of referrals from the public. The force is encouraging people to report content that appears to incite terrorist violence or activity. The police will also work with Tech Companies to remove content that has been assessed to breach uk terrorism legislation. France uk terrorism legislation. France is deploying 7000 soldiers to increase security after a School Teacher was stabbed and killed yesterday. Three other people yesterday. Three other people were injured. The incidents were injured. The incidents being linked to the conflict going on right now in gaza , with going on right now in gaza, with france raising its security alert to its highest level. The alert to its highest level. The suspect has been arrested. Police say he is a russian born chechen and also a former student of the high school. This morning in paris. The louvre was evacuated after receiving a written threat. Australia has written threat. Australia has voted no in a controversial referenda to officially recognise Indigenous People in its constitution. With over half its constitution. With over half the votes counted , the no vote the votes counted, the no vote is leading by at least 57. Australian broadcasters project at least four states of the six will vote against altering the 122 year old constitution. The 122 year old constitution. The Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese , who has championed the plans, says the country will have to seek a new way fonnard following the defeat. At the outset i want to say that while tonights result is not one that i had hoped for , i not one that i had hoped for, i absolutely respect the decision of the australian people and the democratic process us that has delivered it. When we reflect on delivered it. When we reflect on everything happening in the world today , today we can all world today, today we can all give thanks that here in australia we make the Big Decisions peacefully and as equals. With one vote, one equals. With one vote, one value. Well this is gb news across the uk on tv, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker too. Thats it for the moment. Now back to nana. Good afternoon. Back to nana. Good afternoon. Its just coming up to six minutes after 5 00. This is the news on tv, online and on Digital Radio for the next hour. Me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. The all opinion. The show is all about opinion. Its its theirs. And of its mine, its theirs. And of course, yours. Well be course, its yours. Well be debating, discussing, and at times but no times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. So joining today is author and joining me today is author and broadcaster cundy and broadcaster lizzie cundy and also political advisor to the labour party, matthew lazar. Still come, my difficult still to come, my difficult conversation today is british israeli citizen Malcolm Brenner. Hell be live in the studio. He got out of tel aviv just a few days ago, but has family members still there, which remains target for hamas which remains a target for hamas and rocket attacks. For and their rocket attacks. For the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour, im asking is the hour, im asking who is the greatest threat to global stability . Is it china . Russia to maybe none to america, iran . Or maybe none of above . Theres another of the above . Theres another war heats up in israel. It feels like the world is at a certain tipping point. With war still raging ukraine. And now also raging in ukraine. And now also israel and hamas. As always, you israel and hamas. As always, you can get in touch. Email gbviews gbnews. Com me gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at gb news as. Gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at gb news as. S0 gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at gb news as. So its gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at gb news as. So its now gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at gb news as. So its now time for this weeks difficult conversation. And im joined now by british israeli dual citizen Malcolm Brenner. Malcolm was in Malcolm Brenner. Malcolm was in israel in tel aviv. He managed to get back to the uk on thursday evening. He was still has friends and family members who are in israel, including his daughter and granddaughter, even though hes now in the safety of the uk for work. Though hes now in the safety of the uk for work. Malcolm was though hes now in the safety of the uk for work. Malcolm was in tel aviv when hamas launched its deadly terror attack on israel, and he experienced firsthand the fear that the terrorist infi ltrato rs fear that the terrorist infiltrators could reach him. And of course , his loved ones. And of course, his loved ones. Im pleased to say that malcolm is safely the studio. Is here safely in the studio. Malcolm brenner, very Malcolm Brenner, thank you very much pleasure. Much forjoining me. Pleasure. Hi well, so this this is really, really tragic. It really i mean, really tragic. It really i mean, this has been going on the sort of conflict between the two factions many, many years. Factions for many, many years. Many so what was it many years. Yeah. So what was it like for you being there, though, time of the hamas though, at the time of the hamas terrorist attack on those israeli poor citizens who were just minding their own business, doing thing . What was doing their own thing . What was it like . I was i was woken up for with with sirens , asking people to go with sirens, asking people to go straight into bomb shelters or safe houses , etcetera. And then safe houses, etcetera. And then switched on the news and could not believe the brutality ity that was going on by hamas in the south, killing brutally beastly , murdering people in beastly, murdering people in their homes, in their in their rooms, taking hostage was murdering. It was just horrendous. And the more you watched it, the more you thought, oh my god, this cant possibly be happening today. And it was and it was a day which should have been very joyful. It was a holiday in apart from the sabbath. It was a holiday in israel. And everybody was looking fonnard to a really good day. And it was a shock and it day. And it was a shock and it still is a shock to think how beastly , how brutally, how beastly, how brutally, how disgustingly these people are. Disgustingly these people are. And it surprises me that there are certain people that are are scared to call them terrorists. Scared to call them terrorists. And thats what they are. Our and thats what they are. Our own sort of tv stations, our own bbc scared to call them terrorists and they are terrorists. They are without a doubt. Terrorists. They are without a doubt. You know, these people doubt. You know, these people are not theyre not human, you know, or theyre beasts with a human face. I dont know what to say. Its beyond its unspeakable. I mean, for the bbc, they have got form. They dont ever call anybody a terrorist. As far as weve done. Weve done some research to find out. And they they really called anybody they never really called anybody out for being terrorists. They use other names instead. So thats probably what they they would being would say. But for you being there israel , of course, there in israel, of course, youve got this incredible piece of technology, dome, of technology, the iron dome, which protected which has protected the civilians, really , because the civilians, really, because the amount of barrage it was at 2500 rockets that apparently came from gaza, i think it was more actually nana. I think it was nearer to 5000 rockets. It was just it was non stop barrage in tel aviv. We non stop barrage in tel aviv. We didnt get so many , you know, didnt get so many, you know, thank god , but we could hear the thank god, but we could hear the booms and children crying and people were worried and still are. In fact, i wanted a phone. Ive got one of my daughters living there and my granddaughter and couldnt speak to them because there were sirens going off and they were rushed into safe housing. But you know, thank god nothing but thanks for the iron dome. Its thanks for the iron dome. Its amazing. Yeah, amazing bit of technology , erg. Technology, erg. And a lot of people were sort of criticising in a way, israel saying, oh, well, you know, this they got under the radar. And how did you miss this and all that . From what i can that . But from what i can understand, this iron dome understand, and this iron dome protects radar. So protects theres a radar. So theres like an area which is quite and someone quite vulnerable and someone wanted to attack. That would probably that they probably be the way that they did so these people did it. So these people were focussed concentrated focussed and concentrated on doing hold any doing that. Do you hold any thoughts with regard to that . Do you israel were you think that israel were caught sleeping and not what is your on . Your view on . I think they definitely i think they were definitely caught sleeping. Without doubt. There way that there is absolutely no way that i can possibly believe that this could happen , particularly could happen, particularly following the yom kippur war, when israel was taken by surprise. But here, too, for the surprise. But here, too, for the southern border to be breached like that and for people to be murdered and then dragged away hostages, taken young kids, you know, babies grand who were then put into cages in gaza. What is put into cages in gaza. What is the point . Why why . Why why . Why why . Because youre not dealing with normal humanity. Youre deaung with normal humanity. Youre dealing with hamas. Dealing with hamas. People feel that you can talk to these people or have some sort of dialogue and try and deal with them in that way. Do deal with them in that way. Do you feel that there is a way that the people and hamas could talk and negotiate peace or do you feel that that these people are not really of that mindset . Are not really of that mindset . Hamas in their their their whole theory is that there should be no israel and there should be no israel and there should be no jews. They call for the killing of jews. This was the killing of jews. This was a destruction. This was sergio kilojoule. And you cant how can kilojoule. And you cant how can you speak . How can you have conversation there is only one thing that could do and must be done to hamas , and that is to done to hamas, and that is to destroy it totally. Destroy it totally. But in doing that so you could risk , you know, harming a could risk, you know, harming a lot of the palestinians who are not part of this. You are not. But how do you decipher who is hamas and who is they know who hamas and who is they know who hamas is. So they they are they hamas is. So they they are they they do know who and hamas have over the years and its documented, well documented that they hide behind the population. They have their bases behind hospitals, schools , etcetera. Hospitals, schools, etcetera. Basically, theyre a bunch of bullies , cowards , i would say. Bullies, cowards, i would say. I was thinking about this actually flying back to london on thursday, and i just thought, you know, hamas is like the marriage of with isis , the worst marriage of with isis, the worst of the worst. They have no there is no compassion. There is no is no compassion. There is no reason. Theres no rationale. Reason. Theres no rationale. Hamas has probably got more money than any other terrorist organisation throughout the world. They could have turned gaza into a palace. It could be beautiful. Theyve got beaches. Beautiful. Theyve got beaches. They could have everything. But they could have everything. But they dont. They spend their money and a lot of it, listen, theyre their leaders live comfortably in qatar. They dont come anywhere near the conflict. Absolutely. They the conflict. Absolutely. They wont go in. Absolutely not. And these people have got to be crushed. And its tragic. Its awful. All the innocent its awful. All the innocent people will die. They will. But but until you until you crush them, theyll youve got to cut them, theyll youve got to cut the head off. But isnt it like but isnt it like a medusa that, you know, like you cut the head off . But lots of other heads appear. So what you end up leaving is a vacuum. We saw that with libya. Weve seen that with a lot of the that where weve the places that where weve tried to go in or, you know, where the world has stepped in to think they can stop to think that they can stop something. End, its something. And in the end, its made worse. Made it worse. Well, just quote well, ill just quote britain. We bombed dresden in the war because it was a necessity , because we had to necessity, because we had to stop the americans dropped to two atom bombs on japan. It two atom bombs on japan. It thousands , thousands and thousands, thousands and thousands, thousands and thousands of people were tragically killed. But it stopped the war and it cut off. Maybe it cut off the final head of medusa. Who knows . I dont know. Obviously, were not advocating any of that because, you know, thats its a frightening thought that this could perpetuate go on for could perpetuate and go on for you. How did you out, you. How did you get out, though . You must. But though . Because you must. But how, though, was it was it was it . Well, of course, i was due. It . Well, of course, i was due. You didnt swim, did you . No, no, no, no, no, no. Im a terrible swimmer. I was actually due to come back. Due to come back. I should have been back here for wednesday for a very important business meeting that i had. I couldnt get the flight i had. I couldnt get the flight , so. But i came anyway because , so. But i came anyway because despite having family in israel, ive got two children, four grandchildren and Three Sisters in london and of course, my partner. And they all wanted me partner. And they all wanted me back here. So im im here for business. Im here to see my family. And then ill be going back straight away as soon as can. What are your thoughts then of the proposal austin rally thatis of the proposal austin rally that is taking place in london and across the uk . Actually, and across the uk . Actually, theres quite a few of them. I think that it i think its misguided and i think that it has been in the past encouraged. I think that i think now that the police under the direction of the home secretary are now taking it seriously. And i think taking it seriously. And i think that anybody that flies a hamas flag should be arrested. Well, thats already thats. Well, thats already thats. Will it . Will it . Will it . And theyre breeding. Theyre not actually theyre not marching for palestine. A lot of them, its anti semitic. Theyre them, its anti semitic. Theyre theyre marching against the jews. Well, some of them would argue that theyre marching because of obviously the death and destruction that will occur with this particular war will occur. Will occur. But what about what has occurred . Did anybody what has occurred . Did anybody stand up then . Stand up then . One did. I think a lot of people are standing up, standing up. Nobody thinks its acceptable what happened at all. But did the palestinians stand up and say this is wrong . No, they didnt. Stand up and say this is wrong . No,um, didnt. Stand up and say this is wrong . No,um, itsint. Stand up and say this is wrong . No,um, its difficult to tell, um, its difficult to tell, isnt whether i um, its difficult to tell, isnt whetheri mean, um, its difficult to tell, isnt whether i mean, what i isnt it, whether i mean, what i would love see is people would love to see is people talking actually , you know, talking and actually, you know, jews the palestinians jews and the palestinians talking and them discussing, you know, that know, finding things that they are have common because are they have in common because they people, because they are all people, because hamas really theyre not hamas is not really theyre not the palestinian people. This is a of who are in a sect of people who are in palestine, nana. They do. I mean, you know, i live i live now in tel aviv and ihave live i live now in tel aviv and i have a vast group of friends , i have a vast group of friends, jewish, christian arabs. I sit down and i dine with with palestinians, with arabs , palestinians, with arabs, israelis. Its not a problem. The problem is stirred up by the by these terrorist organisations , nations who, for whatever reason well, ive always said theyre mantra is kill every jew, destroy israel. It aint jew, destroy israel. It aint going to happen. It aint going to happen. You know , jews aint to happen. You know, jews aint going anywhere now. I mean , you going anywhere now. I mean, you know, weve had it over the years and were still here from day one. You know, the tried , day one. You know, the tried, the romans tried , the ottomans the romans tried, the ottomans tried. But it wont happen. And to sit down and talk, everybody is willing to sit down and talk nana everybody but you cant talk with people that just say you shouldnt exist. So we can you shouldnt exist. So we can only hope that we can only hope and pray that this is absolutely quickly happening now is tragic, you know, and im i cant tell you know, and im i cant tell you how awful i feel about it. You know , children to me are the you know, children to me are the most important things. And its tragic. Tragic. Malcolm, its really good to talk to you. I appreciate you coming in. Thank you very much. No, no, thank you. No, no, thank you. Lovely meeting you. Lovely meeting you. You too. Cheers. You too. Cheers. Bye. Of course, as bye. And of course, as malcolm hes a british malcolm brennan, hes a british israeli left israeli citizen. He left tel aviv on thursday evening just coming to minutes after coming up to 19 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news on tv, onune 5 00. This is gb news on tv, online and on Digital Radio. Coming up, well continue to bnng coming up, well continue to bring you the latest updates of the situation in the unfolding situation in israel but next up, israel and gaza. But next up, its for Great British its time for the Great British debate im asking debate this hour. And im asking who the greatest to who is the greatest threat to global stability . It china . Who is the greatest threat to glwit al stability . It china . Who is the greatest threat to glwit russia . Ity . It china . Who is the greatest threat to glwit russia . America china . Who is the greatest threat to glwit russia . America orina . Who is the greatest threat to glwit russia . America or iran . Is it russia . America or iran . This is Michael Portillo gb news britains news channel. Britains news channel. Good afternoon. 23 minutes good afternoon. 23 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. Im nana akua. Now its time for the nana akua. Now its time for the Great British debate. This hour. And im asking you, who is the greatest threat to global stability . Is it is it the is it not the uk but is it america . Is it china . Is it russia . Is it iran . Were living in a very cruel society. The conflict between israel and hamas continues to spiral, as reports say 700 palestinian continues to spiral, as reports say have 700 palestinian continues to spiral, as reports say have reportedly stinian continues to spiral, as reports say have reportedly been] children have reportedly been killed in gaza. The war between russia and ukraine nears to 600 days and seems to be no closer to conclusion than the it to conclusion than the day it started hidden in news started hidden in the news agenda due events elsewhere, agenda due to events elsewhere, of course. And meanwhile, russia. Of course. And meanwhile, russia , iran continue to , china and iran continue to expand their nuclear chests expand their nuclear war chests in such a volatile world. Im asking who is the greatest threat to global stability . So threat to global stability . So im now by will geddes im joined now by will geddes security sunil sharma, security expert sunil sharma, chief operating officer and the conservative friends of the commonwealth. Also joining me, greg swenson , chair of the greg swenson, chair of the republicans overseas , and republicans overseas, and anthony glees, security and intelligence expert from the university of buckingham. Right. So im going start out with so im going to start out with you, sunil. What is your you, sunil. What is your thoughts then . We ive offered four places that we think are a potential threat. But in your view, which of those would you say is the greatest threat and why . I would lean towards the United States of america, i think as the leader of the free world, when you currently have the weak leadership, they currently have , i think it currently have, i think it enables a lot of leaders across the world to make bold, erratic decisions that kind of lead to power grabs and ultimately innocent people dying. If you innocent people dying. If you look at the last three years in particular of the of the biden administration, youve seen so much turmoil thats occurred. Much turmoil thats occurred. And prior to that, the amount of stability with four years of strong leadership, we saw north korea and south korea doing a peace treaty, you know, unprecedented peace treaty. We saw the Abraham Accords with the middle east finally looking to look at a peaceful solution. We saw russia being contained. We saw russia being contained. We finally started to understand the threats that china had. Fast fonnard today , we see, you know , fonnard today, we see, you know, north korea supplying military weapons to russia. We see the middle east in flames. We see china mulling over taiwan. An china mulling over taiwan. An incredible instability across the world. So i think when america is weak and ineffective , america is weak and ineffective, security risks across the globe and it makes it much more place to live. So ill come back to you, but your audio sort of dipping in and out, going to anthony and out, going over to anthony glees, security and glees, hes a security and intelligence from the intelligence expert from the university buckingham. What intelligence expert from the uniyour y buckingham. What intelligence expert from the uni your thoughts . Ngham. What intelligence expert from the uni your thoughts . Anthonyvhat intelligence expert from the uni your thoughts . Anthony well, are your thoughts . Anthony well, my thoughts are that right now, little italy, right now, the peace of the world is hanging by a thread because of what is going on in the middle east and what is likely to go on in gaza. And our fear must be that that the israelis will kill a very large number of innocent people. We understand why they feel they have to do it doesnt mean its the right thing necessarily. And that could lead necessarily. And that could lead to a wider war. It could even lead to a world war. We have the template of world war 1 in 1914 where one thing led to revenge , where one thing led to revenge, led to other people coming to in a general mobilisation and 22 Million People dead. So the immediate threat under doubtedly lies in the middle east with israel and gaza. And let us hope that that restraint prevails. That that restraint prevails. The hostages are returned and then israel can go after the Hamas Terrorists as it is entitled to do, and indeed must do. However, i dont think thats going to happen, frankly. So beyond that, if the world does not blow itself up over gaza and the palestine and israel problem , for me, the big israel problem, for me, the big threat is russia and russia is a big threat because it is a revisionist nation. Its the revisionist nation. Its the major revisionist nation. That is to say it is. It is not content with where its borders are right now. It wants to change, change them back to where they were in 1990. And that inevitably will involve a massive conflict with nato. So massive conflict with nato. So going fonnard and were keeping all fingers and thumbs crossed that if the problem in israel and gaza can be contained , the and gaza can be contained, the next big issue and the perennial issue over the decade is likely to be russia, not china, not not elsewhere in the middle east. This resolved now. Thats my view. You could argue that the threat, though, with regard to whats going on now is actually funded by a lot of people are saying its funded by iran. So that would be the reason why all this is sort of coming to surface. Lets go to greg swenson. There greg. Yeah, i think the near yeah, i think in the near term, clearly iran because term, its clearly iran because of going on the middle of whats going on in the middle east. Term, more russia east. Long term, more russia because theyve got 4300 Nuclear Weapons. Of course china weapons. And of course china with 450 ships in their navy and clearly having expansionist views. You know, im not they both have declining population. Both have declining population. So maybe in the very long term, we shouldnt be as worried. But we shouldnt be as worried. But surely in the medium term. But but more importantly, its the combination of the three. Its this unholy alliance, this sort of axis of evil that have that are developed thing and quite aggressively in the last few years, but especially with this this conflict in gaza and israel, youre seeing iran working a lot with with the russians. Theyre supplying the russians. Theyre supplying the russians with weapons. And theyre also buying a quarter of their their weapons from china. So theres a real unholy alliance here. Okay. Lets go over to will geddes. Geddes. So i think i would break it down into three particular areas. And i think, you know, some of the other guests have mentioned some valid points. And id certainly go with greg on some the key issues that hes some of the key issues that hes raised there. Think theres raised there. I think theres humanitarian, combat, raised there. I think theres humtheresm, combat, raised there. I think theres humtheres financial combat, raised there. I think theres humtheres financial. Combat, raised there. I think theres humtheres financial. Well, |t, raised there. I think theres humtheres financial. Well, i, and theres financial. Well, i think terms of humanitarian, think in terms of humanitarian, obviously east right obviously the middle east right now, think terms of the now, i think in terms of the combat, yes, the whole situation in world watching, in the world is watching, obviously, to obviously, whats going to happen obviously happen between obviously israel and especially and palestine, but especially hamas. Theres going to be huge displacement the for the displacement of the for the plight of certainly the palestinians. But plight of certainly the palestinians. But i think certainly i would say that iran is probably the smelting pot of causing a lot of trouble and disruption, certainly in the area. They are vectored into a number of different disparate and semi organised terrorist groups in terms of funding, financing and helping them in in terms of their operations and propagating their agendas. Terms of their operations and propagating their agendas. I think russia certainly still plays a very valid part. I think mainly led by ego and also by the fact that putin is going to be very difficult to displace. Be very difficult to displace. But i think financially in the longer china presents the longer term, china presents the greatest threat. Its a far more stealthy approach. But certainly i the issue of taiwan is i think the issue of taiwan is certainly not off the table. And that is, again, something that were going to have to watch very carefully. Greg, im going to come back very carefully. You. G, im going to come back very carefully. You. What going to come back very carefully. You. What about to come back very carefully. You. What about america,back to you. What about america, though . Isnt like though . Isnt america like especially at the especially with joe biden at the helm . Saw the withdrawal of helm . We saw the withdrawal of afghanistan. Weve seen that where weak. Trump was where america is weak. Trump was able some of able to maintain some sort of stability in the middle east. And many said that because of in the seemed to be the middle east, seemed to be stable. About america . Stable. What about america . Yeah there some there needs to be some leadership and think leadership there and i think what were seeing in middle what were seeing in the middle east is, what you east this week is, is what you can expect with with a world where the americans are not leading and theyre not the most powerful force. Its the its the greater force for good. And so joe biden made some major mistakes. You made some major mistakes. You mentioned afghanistan. This is the wrong time to be cutting defence spending. So the us defence spending. So the us defence spending. So the us defence spending is down to below 3 of gdp. Its 12 of the federal budget. Thats outrageous. And you know , the outrageous. And you know, the best way to prevent war is to prevent prepare for war and biden clearly hasnt been doing that for the last years. That for the last two years. Maybe this a wake up call. Maybe this is a wake up call. Were glad the gerald were glad to see the gerald ford on the way to the to the gulf. Commissioned gulf. That was commissioned years. And you how years ago. And it shows you how valuable oil strength is. And peace through strength should be the major policy of the us and the major policy of the us and the west. Im going to finally final word to you, anthony, having seen all this then, in your view , what do you think could be could be done to sort of prevent this . What were seeing at the moment in terms of whats going on in israel and with hamas . Well i totally disagree with the argument that america is not leading america is leading right now. Anthony blinken is the smartest person that ive seen in american politics for a long time. Yes, afghanistan was time. Yes, afghanistan was a fiasco, but it was of donald j. Trumps making. I think if trump trumps making. I think if trump were to be re elected, america could become a threat simply by disintegrating all friends of democracy want a Strong America twice last Century America saved europe. The First World War and then the Second World War. And we need to encourage america to show leadership because its a democracy. And the big reason why russia is a threat, a big threat that iran doesnt have Nuclear Weapons, of course, is less of a threat. But democracies are the surest way of safeguarding peace. Democracies do not attack other democracies. So if we can make democracies. So if we can make democracies. So if we can make democracies work, then then we can live in a better world. If we dont, so who knows where well end it. But you just mentioned trump. You thought that trump was a risk to security. Didnt he keep the middle east calm . I mean, that was a big thing about trump. Sorry, weve got to go to the unfortunately. But the news, unfortunately. But thats thought i mean, thats what i thought i mean, i might not wrong you know, i excuse me. I think you are wrong because trump was chaotic. Even trump was chaotic. He even wanted pull america out of wanted to pull america out of nato. Republicans want nato. Sensible republicans want a yes, biden a Strong America. And yes, biden is very elderly. But Anthony Blinken, hes strong and hes urging restraint on israel right now, if they had any sense. Okay. Well, listen, im going to let greg have 10s, because you can come back on the trump thing very briefly. Then ive got to go to the news. I think blinken and biden are saying the right things the last few their their natural few days. Their their natural impulse lasts saturday morning was restraint, which is was to urge restraint, which is in surrender. In many ways urging surrender. And is doing in and so what biden is doing in the few days is great. The last few days is great. Although he not mention iran although he did not mention iran once. Have basically once. And they have basically funded ukraine, funded both sides of ukraine, russia, sending russia, because iran is sending weapons to russia. So by by stopping sanctions, they stopping the sanctions, they gave up 50 billion in oil revenue to mullahs that revenue to the mullahs that didnt exist two years ago. Thanks to relaxing the sanctions and horrible us energy policy. And horrible us energy policy. So am i wrong about trump . Yes or no . Am i . Oh, no, no. You are right about trump. Things were we peace and we had more peace and prosperity. I dont really want him re elected either. Him to be re elected either. Thats not you want to thats not my you dont want to be re elected. Well, listen, listen, ive got to go because ive got a bunch were getting bunch of news were getting late, well get it. Late, though. Well get it. Thank you very much. Hell be in throughout thank you very much. Hell be in throughothank so much to sharma, thank you so much to you, spence. And also you, greg spence. And also anthony glees. Really good to talk you. Thank you for your talk to you. Thank you for your thoughts. News on tv thoughts. This is gb news on tv onune thoughts. This is gb news on tv online Digital Radio. Online and on Digital Radio. Coming time for the coming up, its time for the great debate this hour. Coming up, its time for the greaim debate this hour. Coming up, its time for the greaim askingebate this hour. Coming up, its time for the greaim asking who this hour. Coming up, its time for the greaim asking who isiis hour. Coming up, its time for the greaim asking who is theour. And im asking who is the greatest threat to global stability that china, russia, america, hear the america, iran . Youll hear the thoughts panel, izzy cundy thoughts of my panel, izzy cundy and but and also matthew, last. But first, lets your latest first, lets get your latest news with aaron. Its 534. Im Aaron Armstrong in the gb news room, the israeli Prime Minister says the next stage of their assault against hamas is coming. Benjamin netanyahu , who coming. Benjamin netanyahu, who has visited troops stationed near the gaza strip, a ground offensive is thought to be imminent. It comes as an extended deadline for palestinians to flee to the south of the enclave has passed. Tanks and more than 300,000 reservists have been mobilised in southern israel. While mr in southern israel. While mr netanyahu has vowed to annihilate the Hamas Militant Group that controls gaza in retaliation for the deadly attack by its fighters in the south of his country last weekend. Meanwhile, thousands of weekend. Meanwhile, thousands of palestinians have continued to flee northern gaza with that new evacuation window now closed, they , along with foreign they, along with foreign nationals, have been heading south towards the rafah Border Crossing with egypt. Now the only route out of gaza thats not under israeli control has been closed because of recent israeli airstrikes. The us says israeli airstrikes. The us says its working to get that crossing open. Its told us citizens to go there , but a citizens to go there, but a state Department Spokesman says if they can open the Border Crossing, it may only remain open for a short amount of time. Im like really in fear. Open for a short amount of time. Im like really in fear. And im like really in fear. And like every every time i just have to have the thought of me dying in a bomb in gaza like it its not a good thing. Like its not a good thing. Like every place i go, i go run away and i just find bombs and i find dead people and, like, maybe one day ill end up like them. But day ill end up like them. But its a really scary thing for me. Meanwhile israels total siege of gaza continues. Supplies of electricity , supplies of electricity, food, medicine and fuel have been cut off and airstrikes are continuing. Hamas says nine continuing. Hamas says nine captives and nine of its hostage, including four foreigners, have been killed because of israeli airstrikes. Its understood to still hold around 120 hostages. Israels air force says it has killed a hamas commander. The commander who led the assault on israeli settlements last saturday. Now, the death toll in gaza has risen to at least 2215 people, with more than 8700 wounded. Thats according to the local Palestinian Health ministry. Israeli forces, we know, have been carrying out localised raids. Ground troops have already entered the territory. Gb News Reporter Charlie Peters has more from tel aviv. Well has more from tel aviv. Well bnng has more from tel aviv. Well bring you charlie a little bit later. Meanwhile, we can bring you this. France is deploying 7000 soldiers to increase security after School Teacher security after a School Teacher was killed and three others injured. Its being linked to injured. Its being linked to the conflict between israel and hamas, with france raising its security highest security alert to its highest level, the suspect has been arrested. Police say hes a russian born chechen and a former student of the high school in paris this morning. The louvre was evacuated after receiving a written threat. Ill be back with more at the top of the next hour. Or you can get more now on our website, gbnews. Com. This evening. Gb news the peoples. Channel peoples. Channel good afternoon. 42 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Lets cross live now to tel aviv where we can have some live pictures of israelis protesting near the defence ministry. Residents are accusing the government of failing to protect citizens near gaza. Protect citizens near gaza. Right, well , now well go back right, well, now well go back to our Great British debate this houn to our Great British debate this hour. And im asking who is the greatest threat to global stability as the conflict between israel and hamas continues reports say continues to spiral. Reports say that more than 700 palestinian children have reportedly been killed in gaza. Meanwhile while the seemingly never ending war between russia and ukraine nears 600 days with no end in sight, and russia, china and iran continue to expand their nuclear war chest. So in such a volatile world, im asking who is the greatest threat to global stability . Lets see what my panel make of that. Im joined now by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also a political commentator, matthew lhasa. Lhasa, you heard lhasa. Matthew lhasa, you heard what others were saying with what the others were saying with regard to wokester had a different plenty of different one. Theres plenty of yeah, there there are lots of them. Yeah, there there are lots of the well, i think yeah, there there are lots of thewell, i think i would go for well, i think i would go for iran in the short term. A russia in the medium term and china in the long term. But i think clearly at the moment iran is funnelling of funnelling tens of millions of dollars from oil trade to dollars from its oil trade to hamas to hezbollah in the hamas and to hezbollah in the north in lebanon. And they want to destabilise the region because they think that will help to destabilise the world. And in particular to also distract from the conflict in russia as well, which is because theyre in cahoots with the russians. So what about america, though . Because america is on the list as well. Yeah, i absolutely dont. Yeah you know, you see joe biden, he sent blinken out to i think blinkens to israel. I think blinkens done great week. Done a great job this week. I think look, i think i mean, personally, i think that america under more a under donald trump is more of a risk because think, as we risk because i think, as we heard earlier, donald trump is very inconsistent. And, you know, these documents in know, these documents hidden in hidden golf club, hidden in the golf club, etcetera. But no, no, no, this is bigger than that. Theres no documents hidden in and that because donald in this and that because donald trump that even trump lets remember that even those middle were those in the middle east were thankful he there thankful that he was there saying been peace saying that theres been peace since hes been around. And thats good luck rather thats thats good luck rather than thats than judgement. But thats not fair. When are good, fair. But when things are good, you give the credit. Fair. But when things are good, you no, give the credit. Fair. But when things are good, you no, look,5 the credit. Fair. But when things are good, you no, look, ithe credit. Fair. But when things are good, you no, look, i will redit. Fair. But when things are good, you no, look, i will give. Fair. But when things are good, you no, look, i will give credit no, look, i will give credit to i dont agree with, to people i dont agree with, but there you go. So why is it that its just good luck when hes there and then hes gone . Its now joe biden . Well, he claimed that he would he have would personally he would have bad what is he no, no, bad luck or what is he no, no, he would he would personally he claims personally claims that he would personally also russia also have stopped the Russia Ukraine and probably he ukraine war, and probably he would have done because would would have done because he would have mean, hes have backed russia. I mean, hes i mean, he said he said some stupid things this week as well about the conflict about about the conflict about hezbollah. About about the conflict about hezbut ah. Always saying stupid things. And a danger to yeah. And thats a danger to World Security. But i dont think under either think america, under either biden president is a biden or trump as president is a threat to World Security. I think the think america has been the guardian security under guardian of World Security under president s different president s of all different parties since end the parties since the end of the second indeed Second World War. And indeed was, you know, a big factor in the Second World War in in good prevailing. Absolutely not. Prevailing. So absolutely not. America that people america yeah i think that people are wrong to think that america is the threat. Well let me go through lizzy well let me go through them. America for me in some respects quite dangerous. Respects is quite dangerous. With biden their leader. With joe biden as their leader. I with joe biden as their leader. L guy with joe biden as their leader. I guy doesnt cant i mean, the guy doesnt cant even up hinckley. He even for stand up hinckley. He doesnt name. What doesnt know his own name. What he was give actually 6 he did was give actually 6 billion to iran for the hostages , which was, you know, trump actually said this is the worst thing to do. Theres some dispute about whether trump actually started but the actually started it. But the 11th september, he did this. 11th of september, he did this. Biden and im sorry to say, hes it worries me that someone like he is in charge when he looks like he has dementia and cant get off a stage properly is very worrying. But lets look at them with russia, china, iran, theyre the unholy alliance arent they . Because russia is probably delighted this is going on. It takes everything off the ukraine. Absolutely. China it takes eyes off whats going on with taiwan and iran is its been proved as our experts said, that they are behind hamas. Theyve theyve trained them. Theyve theyve trained them. Theyve theyve trained them. Theyve supplied them with millions. And they were to do millions. And they were to do with that horrific massacre which happened last saturday and killed innocent people, and which we mustnt lose sight of. And whatever happens, absolutely 60 innocent lives were lost. Were lost. And it is disgusting. And 120 held hostage. And its shocking this is going on. And weve got a worry with iran. The middle eastis a worry with iran. The middle east is a powder keg of competing political, religious and National States that are all extremists. They want to kill the jews and they want to fight israeli. Thats what they want to do. Well, i hear that. But i dont think they all want to kill jews. Im just going to pull back on that a little bit because are well, there because there are well, there cant thats not the mission cant be. Thats not the mission for all of them. But leaders of iran but but the leaders of iran have shown they they have shown what they what they stand for. But it does seem to be that those who are aligned with iran have sort of more have much more sort of more dangerous politics than those who with and who are aligned with israel and the United States. Since 1948, arabs have tried to three wars against the to start three wars against the jews. All. And jews. Theyve lost them all. And the got think the thing is, weve got to think there consequence of war. There are consequence of war. And for those that that lose the war and is whats so war and this is whats so frightening with iran getting involved. Our involved. Look, weve got our british navy going out there. Thats its signs thats i think its all signs with involvement to for with the us involvement to for iran right, maybe we iran to say, right, maybe we think about this. Well, think twice about this. Well, thats one of reasons why. Thats one of the reasons why. Course, we were saying of course, we were saying that hold of that they cannot get hold of Nuclear Weapons because obviously, see what obviously, as you see what happens sort happens when those sort of powers hold Nuclear Powers get hold of Nuclear Weapons, look at weapons, russia, if you look at the putin is behaving now, the way putin is behaving now, they posturing they literally posturing with those weapons and trying to frighten the world, frighten the rest of the world, that thats worry. That thats the worry. I mean, i think absolutely. I mean, i think its that we stop nuclear its vital that we stop Nuclear Proliferation with more. You know, need stop more know, we need to stop more Nuclear Weapons around the world, particularly these world, and particularly in these states sole mission is to states whose sole mission is to destroy allies, both their backyard and thereby the wider world. And i think, as you say, lizzie, the connections between russia and iran are really worrying , because i think one of worrying, because i think one of the things is that, you know, that russia wants attention taken ukraine and we taken away from ukraine and we mustnt forget the continuing conflict in ukraine about ukraine last week. View then who is the greatest threat stability . Threat to global stability . Iran,. Thats right. Iran, iran, iran. Thats right. Okay. This nothing okay. Well, this says nothing without you and your views. Lets Great British lets welcome our Great British voices there opportunities voices there are opportunities to tell us to be on the show and tell us what think about the topics what they think about the topics were discussing. Ive got four of you, brian doogan in solihull. Go first. Weve solihull. You go first. Weve got 30s brian, who is the got about 30s brian, who is the greatest to global greatest threat to Global Security . That security . Well, i think that there several right there are several states right now almost competing with one another to destabilise , another to try to destabilise, um, who would have thought, you know , say six, eight, ten weeks know, say six, eight, ten weeks ago that that would have anybody competing with , with putin in competing with, with putin in terms of that position. Terms of that position. But but i think it has reopened our eyes right to the fact that we do live in a very volatile world and look, america is not immune from it either. In terms of i unfortunately , i terms of i unfortunately, i disagree with you. I think that trump is not good for america. Oh, brian, weve lost you. Certainly, he was out of time. Anyway szczesny. Anyway szczesny. Good afternoon, nana to be honest, i think that all four countries pose as a global threat, but i think the focus is on russia , china and iran and on russia, china and iran and what is getting missed is that america, as lizzie has pointed out in anthony, i agree with that america seems to be the greatest threat. So i think because the focus is on the other countries, i mean, iran, we already know the threat that they pose in their contribution to the hamas. Its really sad whats going on, you know, to watch so which one . So which one then . So which one then . America. America. America. America. All right. Lets go america. All right. Lets go to jonathan jones. Hes there in japan where hes been attending a british fair, as you can see. Jonathan, lets see. Hows he looking . I cant see him. Weve still got stephanie on the screen. Oh, there he is. Look at that nice little picture there, jonathan. I dont think his mouth move in that picture, mouth can move in that picture, though, no. Oh, there mouth can move in that picture, thotgo. No. Oh, there you go. So, jonathan, were here at the hankyu british fair drinking. So tea today. Drinking. So much tea today. Now, couldnt fight now, now, you couldnt fight a war amount of tea that war with the amount of tea that japans sent over from japans drinking sent over from the all the japan. But the uk all the way to japan. But you know what . Theres a lot of japanese people that would agree with america record with you and america record recently been great. Recently hasnt been so great. Is relied on is it . You know, weve relied on them as the policeman for all these years suddenly its these years and suddenly its not as stable. It needs to not quite as stable. It needs to look a lot more timid. America, thats no trouble. Think they do. I think i think they do. I think youve got point there, youve got a point there, jonathan. Were all drinking our tea. Drinks home. Tea. Everyone drinks at home. Your says drink drink your tea. Says drink your love it. Oh, your tea. We love it. Yeah. Oh, lovely. Go miranda lovely. Lets go to miranda richardson. The miranda richardson. Not the miranda richardson, miranda richardson, but miranda richardson. Shes there from the tropical lanzarote in Tropical Island of lanzarote in the. So miranda. The canaries. So miranda. Hi, nana. Hi, nana. Good afternoon. Good good afternoon. Good afternoon. I certainly think immediate threat, obviously is iran. And we know there are there are pockets not obviously justin there are pockets not obviously just in iran, but around the world that were starting to see where the troubles are are hitting locally between the parties. You know, in different states anyway. And i think then the other the other major issue is america. Ive actually sat back a little bit and think because they have not been Strong Enough and not been leading this is why, you know, kind of everybody is sneaking up on them. And china are very on them. And china are very cleverly sitting back and waiting. If you kind of look at waiting. If you kind of look at it like that, a random russia are going to stick together, as we can already see. I think america really needs to get in this game back and we need to consider that china are just sitting there waiting. Thats dangerous. Dangerous. Of course they are. Listen, thank you so much, miranda chesney. And jonathan, thank you so much. Right. Thats my british Great British voice this so much. Right. Thats my britisithough. Iritish voice this so much. Right. Thats my britisithough. Now1 voice this so much. Right. Thats my britisithough. Now foryice this so much. Right. Thats my britisithough. Now for ourthis so much. Right. Thats my britisithough. Now for our quick time, though. Now for our quick quiz. This is the part of the show test my panel on show where i test my panel on some the other topics that some of the other topics that are hitting headlines right are hitting the headlines right now. Joining me, broadcaster are hitting the headlines right now. Jcundy. Me, broadcaster are hitting the headlines right now. Jcundy. Me, i button,ter lizzie cundy. Your button, please. Laza. Oh, please. And matthew laza. Oh, thank very right. Thank you very much. Right. Lets please play lets hear at home. Please play along. So a question won. Along. Right. So a question won. The nobel prize for literature was week at a was awarded this week at a ceremony sweden. The ceremony in sweden. Who won the award . A margaret atwood, award . Was it a margaret atwood, b. Award . Was it a margaret atwood, b, Salman Rushdie josh . B, Salman Rushdie or c, josh . Ill let have that matthew ill let you have that matthew laza. Fosse. Fosse. He laza. Jon fosse. Jon fosse. He says before the end. Says you buzzed before the end. I ill give it to you. But i did. Ill give it to you. But dont ever do that. I wont again. I wont i wont do it again. I wont dare. Well done. Fosse. Question two did on fosse. Question two did you get that at home . Very good. The itv host, holly willoughby, quit as this morning the itv host, holly willoughby, quit week. This morning the itv host, holly willoughby, quit week. Howthis morning the itv host, holly willoughby, quit week. How long norning the itv host, holly willoughby, quit week. How long had ng the itv host, holly willoughby, quit week. How long had holly this week. How long had holly been for claire been hosting the show for Claire Pearsall lizzie cundy 14 pearsall twins . Lizzie cundy 14 years. 14 years is actually the correct answer. That. You . I knew that. Did you . I knew that. Did you . Yeah. But you didnt get yeah. Yeah but you didnt get there. No, didnt there no, i didnt get there in time. So ill let you off with you did. So i think. Yeah, ill keep your mouth, keep your traps up. I will. I will. Question three former snp mp lisa cameron defected her lisa cameron defected from her party bullying party this week over bullying allegations. But which Political Party join . Liberal party did she join . A, liberal democrats, c, democrats, b, labour or c, conservatives . Ooh, i think it was conservative. Was matthew nana, conservative. It a conservative. It was it was a conservative. It was conservative. It was a conservative. It was a conservative. Indeed the conservative. It was indeed the conservative party. Thats right. Is correct. Question right. That is correct. Question four true or false . Robert kennedy this four true or false . Robert kenn that this four true or false . Robert kenn that he this four true or false . Robert kenn that he will this four true or false . Robert kenn that he will run this four true or false . Robert kenn that he will run ass four true or false . Robert kenn that he will run as the week that he will now run as the independent the independent away from the democrat the run up to Democrat Party in the run up to the 2024 election. Oh we were both actually, you because he did it. Yes. Lizzie cundy. Its true. Its true. She says it isnt true. Yeah. You keep doing that and im off again. No, youre off. No, youre off. Red card. Im going to be banned. Im going to be cancelled. You be cancelled. Will you will be cancelled. Will you will be cancancel show. But you can cancel my show. But you can cancel break cancel yourself. You cant break the rules. Question five attitude magazine has named the rules. Question five attithoman azine has named the rules. Question five attithoman of ne has named the rules. Question five attithoman of thelas named the rules. Question five attithoman of the yearamed the rules. Question five attithoman of the year whoi the rules. Question five attithoman of the year who was their woman of the year who was it . Dylan mulvaney. B angelina it . Dylan mulvaney. B Angelina Jolie or c, Michelle Obama . Jolie or c, Michelle Obama . Matthew laza it was dylan. Matthew laza it was dylan. Matthew laza it was dylan. It was dylan. It was dylan. Oh, for goodness sake. It was indeed. Youre correct, Dylan Mulvaney whats wrong with people . Theres not a woman. Hes a man. Hes a man. Yeah, i know. Were being erased. I told you. I mean, i think i told you. I mean, i think its extraordinary. I mean, i actually subscribe to attitude magazine and i even got the thing this week telling me that how much it was going up by in the next year. Im very tempted to cancel it because that literally lesbian that is literally lesbian erasure they couldnt you erasure that they couldnt you know, british know, they didnt find a british lesbian its lesbian campaign. I think its just outrageous. We were women. Its a we were raising women. Its a war on women and everyone stood up applauded. Up and applauded. Have got on i wouldnt id have got on there. Is i dont there. So that is man, i dont mean be rude, but if youre mean to be rude, but if youre looking for a woman, this is one that stripped off. That i would have stripped off. Heres a woman. Yes. Heres a woman. Yes. Heres a woman. So what looks like oh, that would have been a great in a lion strutted along made lion strutted along that made the press darling being arrested. Im not a woman. No. So i could controversial could write the controversial question you question ive been asking you throughout the show. We soft on crime . Are we too soft on crime . According our twitter poll, according to our twitter poll, 96 say yes. Only 4 of 96 of you say yes. Only 4 of you say no. Ive got to say thank you so much to my fantabulous panel, broadcaster and cundy. And columnist lizzie cundy. Lizzie you very lizzie cundy, thank you very much. Political much. And also political commentator la, thank commentator matthew la la, thank you very much. La. And a huge pink la la. And a huge pink woolworths and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. Its always a pleasure as even its always a pleasure as ever. I will be back tomorrow at 3 00. Joining me, Christine Hamilton have hamilton and danny kelly have a good ill you with hamilton and danny kelly have a goo weather. L you with hamilton and danny kelly have a goo weather. Enjoy you with hamilton and danny kelly have a goo weather. Enjoy. You with the weather. Enjoy. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. Hope you enjoyed your saturday. Some us did your saturday. Some of us did catch few showers around. Catch a few showers around. Those are slowly dying out throughout this evening and overnight, for overnight, particularly for inland they will inland areas. But they will probably for some inland areas. But they will probabldistricts for some inland areas. But they will probabldistricts stilliome inland areas. But they will probabldistricts still quite coastal districts still quite wintry over the Higher Ground areas of scotland. Underneath the skies that we do see the starry skies that we do see developing overnight, though, temperatures will dropping temperatures will be dropping down. Low single down quite rapidly. Low single figures many of towns figures for many of our towns and cities, rural areas will and cities, but rural areas will certainly below freezing. Certainly drop below freezing. So a frosty, chilly start so quite a frosty, chilly start for come sunday for many of us come sunday morning. But there will also be morning. But there will also be a amount of sunshine to a fair amount of sunshine to compensate that. Lot of compensate for that. A lot of the will be fewer and the showers will be fewer and further between compared to what we have seen today. Still a fair amount across northern scotland. A see a cloudier day here. Might see a few showers pushing into east anglia coastlines well. But anglia coastlines as well. But with winds, of with lighter winds, for most of us, should feel a little bit us, it should feel a little bit better compared to today. But temperatures only around temperatures still only around 10 to 13 c below par for where we should be. High pressure sticks its way on as we head into the start of the new working week. Youll notice that the isobars squeeze the isobars just squeeze together touch more across the together a touch more across the southwest. Turn southwest. So well turn breezier monday day. Breezier here on monday day. Some mist fog patches some mist and fog patches clearing off during clearing their way off during the part of day as the first part of the day as well, largely dry once again well, but largely dry once again for the showers mainly for most, the showers mainly across of across the far north of scotland, perhaps pushing into the southeast as well. Touch the far southeast as well. Touch more on monday more cloud around on monday compared so the compared to the weekend. So the sunshine at times, sunshine a bit hazier at times, but staying settled but generally staying settled through part of through until the middle part of the the rest of your the week. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Bye bye. Evening. Bye bye. Who is it . Were here for the show. For energy this time. Show. For energy this time. Welcome to the dinosaur hour. Welcome to the dinosaur hour. I was married to a therapist. And you survived. I thought we were getting hugh laurie, second best marbella. De man. You best marbella. De man. You interviewed saddam hussein. Whats that like . I was whats that like . I was terrified. Im playing strip poker with these three. Oh , no, thank you. Oh, no, thank you. Oh, no, thank you. My cds need to be put in alphabetical order. Oh are you going to be problematic again . The dinosaur for our sunday the 29th of october at nine on night, ill be joined by professor ralph schollhammer to discuss the wider implications of the situation nation unfolding in israel. Well be unfolding in israel. Well be discussing whether a broader conflict is likely and what the repercussions will be felt here in europe. And well also be in europe. And well also be taking a look at harry and meghans latest visit to new york city and asking whether it was really necessary for the to couple have a seven car motorcade made to go one block. And with the cost of living continuing to rise , many couples continuing to rise, many couples are finding themselves forced to live together despite ending their relationships as they simply cannot afford to move out and find new homes. Well be asking a psychologist all about the reality of living in such situations. Jones and the situations. Jones and the historian martin whittock will join me to discuss his new book, all about the origins and history of the vikings is fascinating stuff. All of that and more coming up. But first, heres an update on the latest news from ireland. Armstrong. Hi there. Very good evening to you. Its a minute past six here in the gb newsroom. Im the Israeli Defence forces has Just Announced their troops are preparing to expand their operations on the ground in gaza. It comes shortly after the israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu ,