Deeply distressing. Deeply distressing. The humanitarian situation in gaza was extremely dire before these hostilities only deteriorate exponentially. Deteriorate exponentially. Medical equipment and food, fuel and other humanitarian supplies are desperately needed , along are desperately needed, along with access for humanitarian personnel , relief and entry of personnel, relief and entry of essential supplies into gaza must be facilitated. And the un will continue efforts to provide aid to respond to these needs. Aid to respond to these needs. As meanwhile, here at home, scotlands first minister says his wifes parents are trapped in gaza after visiting family humza yousaf , who unequivocally humza yousaf, who unequivocally condemned the hamas attacks at the weekend, says hes not sure if his parents in law will make it through the night. Speaking after a cobra meeting today, the foreign secretary, James Cleverly said hamas hamass attack rather, is unprecedented i we reaffirmed our support to israel in its self defence against this terrorist attack perpetrated by hamas against unarmed civilians. In many unarmed civilians. In many instances , ive been speaking instances, ive been speaking with Foreign Ministers from around the region and beyond the Prime Minister has engaged with the israeli Prime Minister and will be engaging with our allies. This is an ongoing situation and of course we will be reviewing our support to israel and of course, british nationals in israel as the situation progresses. Situation progresses. James cleverly there, speaking earlier on. Well, as youve been hearing, the government is defending its plan to send Asylum Seekers to rwanda in the Supreme Court today. Sir james eadie, kc, representing the home office, told the court the home office, told the court the policy is safe and lawful despite the east african country being less attractive to migrants than the uk. Meanwhile a lawyer representing a number of Asylum Seekers said rwandas asylum system is woefully deficient. Marked by unfairness and serious safeguarding issues that comes after the court of appeal ruled the policy was unsafe as there was a risk that rwanda could send migrants back to their country of origin. Here to their country of origin. Here more than 400 criminals have been jailed for a total of over 3700 years after an operation by the metropolitan police. S the metropolitan police. S operation eternal investigated organised crime groups over a three and a half year period by targeting an encrypted messaging platform. More than three tonnes of class a and class b drugs and nearly 50 weapons were seized in the largest ever operation of its kind by the met with the force, calling it unprecedented. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. Britains news channel. Good evening, will. It began on saturday morning with thousands of rockets being fired into to israel. There were also ground attacks and even paraglider is being used to attack a music festival, Something Like 10,000 rockets have now been fired into israel from gaza. And i have to say, from gaza. And i have to say, maybe 900, maybe a thousand people now being killed in israel. Several hundred, of course , being killed with course, being killed with counter attacks that have taken place. Aerial counter attacks in gaza itself. The numbers of that, we dont know , maybe 4 or that, we dont know, maybe 4 or 500, perhaps its even more than that. Ten britons are thought to be amongst those who have been killed. Apart from being killed. Apart from being slightly shocked with it all, it was the 50th anniversary, of course, of the previous war, the yom kippur war that took place. I was stunned at the failure of intelligence. Yes, absolutely intelligence. Yes, absolutely stunned that the americans hadnt picked something up and that the israelis themselves who take intelligence very seriously, did not feel something was coming. The egyptian intelligence minister has claimed today that he gave them ten days notice that something very sinister and very bad was about to happen. But bad was about to happen. But israel denied this. I have to israel denied this. I have to say, my initial response , yes, say, my initial response, yes, on saturday and into sunday was one of real anger at the bbc. They kept referring to palestinian militants. That was the word they used militants as if somehow theyre just political protesters will. Of course, theyre nothing of the kind. They are obscene terror ist mass murderers. And one of ist mass murderers. And one of the factors that i think has led to this is the deal with iran struck by President Biden not so long ago, which freed up 6 billion for the iranians to use. And by the way, were not exempt from this because as eu members for many, many years, we were giving money to various palestinian organisations, often not asking how the money was actually going to be spent. I do believe that weak American Leadership has led directly to the war in ukraine and been at least not a contributory factor into what is going on in israel today. Where do we go from here . Today. Where do we go from here . Its not simple. As you know , its not simple. As you know, they have taken hostages as those hostages have gone into gaza. Those hostages have gone into gaza. Gaza is one of the most gaza. Gaza is one of the most heavily populated parts of the world. About 2. 4 Million People living in that small territory. Now, clearly , israel has to now, clearly, israel has to fight back. It has to do its fight back. It has to do its best to try to eliminate hamas. The problem is that in doing so, were likely to see not just the execution of hostages, but possibly very large civilian casualties, too. We are in a casualties, too. We are in a very, very bad place. But be in no doubt a sovereign, democratic nafion no doubt a sovereign, democratic nation. It may not be perfect by nation. It may not be perfect by any means, but the sovereign democratic nation of israel has been viciously attacked and we have to stand 100 behind them. Have to stand 100 behind them. Now, i talked about that festival that took place in the desert. The supernova festival , desert. The supernova festival, a festival of joy , people a festival of joy, people staying for a couple of days. Staying for a couple of days. And nadav morag is a survivor of that attack and joins me live now down the line from tel aviv. Well youve been through the most horrific experience. Yes, most horrific experience. Yes, i understand 250 People Killed and many wounded as well. How how many wounded as well. How how quickly did this all occur . Quickly did this all occur . Hello. Im very excited to be hello. Im very excited to be here. Thank you for having me. And it was all very quick. What and it was all very quick. What started as a normal rocket attacks that we got used to it about 40 minutes after the first rocket launch , we started rocket launch, we started heanng rocket launch, we started hearing a rifle shot and a. An hearing a rifle shot and a. An and terrorist coming to us from the south, from north. And it was all happening very fast. And was all happening very fast. And they even used they even used paragliders to attack this this concert. Ive seen the pictures of paragliders with people on them with guns. I mean, this was just with guns. I mean, this was just so this was from what i can see of it. And you were there. This was just indiscriminate murder. Was just indiscriminate murder. Yes. There was no it didnt yes. There was no it didnt have to do anything with war. It was just a i would like to share my story. I mean, we were just, you know, partying and celebrating life with Beautiful People and no army near us. And terrorists just guess they knew about it or heard about it. And they just came wasnt there to see how how they slaughtered everyone but the but it was just a they came to kill civilians. They didnt have any other to kill and take hostage. A lot of many, many israelis from the party are now in gaza being held hostage and yes , and. Hostage and yes, and. And how do you feel, nadav . I and how do you feel, nadav . I mean, do you do you feel that israel has to fight back as as hard as it can . I think my opinion right now is not what matters because i was there. Im affected with the my own personal experience. I think israel has to play smart. Sure. Yes if you ask my opinion, we i would love to see hamas. The leave the gaza and no trace of them. And i know that there are many good people in gaza , are many good people in gaza, but the hamas is just terrorising everything and they spread hatred. And it has to be spread hatred. And it has to be stopped. Stopped. Well, yes, it has to be stopped, but its been going on for a very, very long time. And i guess its not likely that its going to stop soon. Listen, you know, youve been through an horrendous experience. Youve seen some absolutely shocking things. And i want to just say things. And i want to just say thank you for joining things. And i want to just say thank you forjoining us live thank you for joining us live down the line from tel aviv. Down the line from tel aviv. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me. Yeah no, no, thank you. Well , there you are. Theres well, there you are. Theres somebody he seemed really quite cool and collected, given the extraordinary experience that hes gone through. And we have hes gone through. And we have done our best, i think, here on gb news to stop, you know, some of the awful, gory details. Now, of the awful, gory details. Now, when you hear the news and you hear about gaza and you hear about all these different geographical locations , i wonder geographical locations, i wonder whether youre like over 90 of the population that you really dont know. And understand the geography and the history of this region. In a minute, im this region. In a minute, im going to have an expert with me from Chatham House. Were going to show you the map, show you how the land lies and explain what the difficulties are going on from radio. Well , im. Radio. Well, im. Im joined by professor yossi mekelberg. He is a fellow of Chatham House and a middle east expert. And i made the point, yossi, before the break, we hear about all these places on the news, but peoples knowledge not that great. So knowledge is not that great. So take us to the very start, take us back to the very start, the formation of israel. Good evening, all right. Good evening, nigel. What do you look here in the map between the jordan river . You know, the dead sea, the and the the sea of galilee and the Mediterranean Sea all the way to the to the gaza strip. This is what used to be mandatory palestine. That was the british palestine. That was the british mandate. Yes post 19, 1918, in 1947, the United Nations decided on partition resolution 181 to for a jewish state and an arab state between the sides. There was disagreement eventually , in was disagreement eventually, in may 1948, israel declared independence. A war ensued. Independence. A war ensued. Israel expanded. If, according to the partition plan, israel should have had, the jewish state should have have a 65 of the land and 3535 to the palestinians. This so yet then it changed. And what we see now is that following the war, the west bank on the right. Yes. And gaza constitute. Only 2,222 of gaza constitute. Only 2,222 of mandatory palestine. In 1967, mandatory palestine. In 1967, israel managed during the six day war occupy and the Sinai Peninsula all the way to Sharm El Sheikh the golan, the Golan Heights and the west bank in gaza. Golan heights is still occupied. The Sinai Peninsula occupied. The Sinai Peninsula was returned in the Peace Agreement of 1979 with egypt and what remained is peace with the palestinians. That hasnt palestinians. That hasnt arrived, even following the oslo agreement. And were a palestinian state should be formed. The west bank and gaza. What we see right now is actually because also not only the geographically divided there, also politically divided west bank is ruled and governed by the fatah movement. The more secular pa and the pa is ruling and gaza after the election in 2006 is actually governed by hamas. Hamas. Its governed by hamas. They are they are in they are in control. Control. Well, bear in mind, they won the election the last elections 17 years ago. They won the election , but the world refused election, but the world refused to recognise it. They basically, after a short civil war, the attacks , the attacks have all attacks, the attacks have all come from gaza right now as we speak in the last few years, and definitely the last few months, violence in the west bank is on the increase , whether its the increase, whether its palestinian militants, but also settler violence, which is getting worse and worse. What we constantly right now in the last nearly three days is what happens with gaza, because hamas militants embarked on an operation. See land, a sea, land and air and penetrated into into into into israel. Okay. I hope, folks, that is helpful. Gives you some idea of what were talking about now. We what were talking about now. We have had some very Firm Responses today that have come from the Prime Minister rishi sunak, and from the shadow foreign secretary, david lammy. Sunak, and from the shadow fore listen retary, david lammy. Sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to tary, david lammy. Sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what avid lammy. Sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what they lammy. Sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what they had my. Sunak, and from the shadow fore listen to what they had to i. Just listen to what they had to say. Say. Hamas and the people that support hamas are fully responsible for appalling , responsible for appalling, appalling acts of terrorism. We should call it out for what it is citizens of israel are being murdered and innocent people have been kidnapped , including have been kidnapped, including children. Obviously, thats children. Obviously, thats shocking. And its horrifying. And they should be held accountable for that. And what ive said to the israeli Prime Minister is that we will provide all the support that they need to make sure that israel can defend itself against these kinds of attacks. Now we already have a very long standing relationship with israel. Were relationship with israel. Were one of the strongest allies. Weve provided in the past. The kinds of equipment that theyve used to defend themselves over the couple of days. And as the past couple of days. And as i said to the Prime Minister we will to provide , will continue to provide, whether thats diplomatic intelligence or security support as they need. As they need. Labour utterly condemns hamas , this appalling attack on israel. Labour stands firmly in israel. Labour stands firmly in support of israels right to defend itself , support of israels right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens. There will not be a just and lasting peace until israel is secure. Palestine is a sovereign state and both israelis and palestinians enjoy secure parity, dignity and human rights. Well, david lammy being very strong there. In a moment, we will go up to liverpool and speak to Lloyd Russell moyle , speak to Lloyd Russell moyle, labour mp, about his response to all this. Kept the all of this. But ive kept the professor a moment. Israel professor for a moment. Israel spends a fortune every year on intelligence. They pride intelligence. They pride themselves on intelligence. So themselves on intelligence. So whether or not the egyptian intelligence minister is right with his claim, the israelis have denied it. With his claim, the israelis have denied it. Something has gone catastrophically wrong here, it . Here, hasnt it . Think this one thing for i think this one thing for sure, the Intelligence Community got it badly wrong. Its always weird , this kind of warning from weird, this kind of warning from egypt. It takes us back 50 years to 1973 because all the story of an agent or double agent, Ashraf Mannan at the time providing the information and thats the problem. When there is cognitive closure among the leadership, whether the military establishment or the political establishment or the political establishment , they look, they establishment, they look, they have their own people option and they attack wont happen because, for instance, hamas has no interest anymore in military struggle. We dont see the military capabilities and more more than that is the assumption was that if there will be troubles, bear in mind the last month was mainly jewish holidays. Yeah. So the fear was it offered the situation would flare up in the west bank so units will move to the west bank. And while the west bank was quiet, the disaster struck actually in gaza and it is a disaster now, israel clearly cant just stand there and do nothing. They are going to go to i would have thought theyre going to go into gaza physically try and root out hamas. But the problem is its very densely populated. Thered a lot of populated. Thered be a lot of civilian wont there . Populated. Thered be a lot of civiagain, wont there . Populated. Thered be a lot of civiagain, one wont there . Populated. Thered be a lot of civiagain, one ofont there . Populated. Thered be a lot of civiagain, one of the there . Populated. Thered be a lot of civiagain, one of the things we again, one of the things we saw on the map, gaza is a really small place 360km2. The home of 2 Million People, most of them refugees, including refugee camps. Any idea of entry being entering into gaza and fighting door to door would be horrific. It can be can be horrific for both sides. Yes. And this was exactly what the security forces, the idf tried to avoid. All these years. There was pressure before that go and eliminate hamas. But this is the nightmare scenario for everyone. The problem is hamas pushed israel to a corner that it has to react. It has to reassert itself, the deterrence, to reassert itself. But i think it should come with a caveat and a big warning here to israel, to hamas succeeded, so to speak, militarily , probably more than militarily, probably more than it did envisaged, because as there was no defence as a result of it, it pushed israel to probably to react more than it ever wanted. The need , even at ever wanted. The need, even at this terrible time, the calls for revenge and maybe the blood is boiling always think about the day after the war. Always plan for the peace after that. What situation and how you want to leave gaza more. Most of the to leave gaza more. Most of the its not most of 1990 9. 99 and more of palestinian and live in gaza. And bear in mind they lived under blockade under siege for many years now have nothing to do with hamas is nothing to do with militancy hitting the hamas is one thing, causing also responding with atrocity is with more atrocity is not. But as you say, theyve been pushed into a corner. But us, thank you for coming in, giving us your expertise. Well get you back over the course of the next couple and we can show couple of weeks and we can show you footage now of a vigil you some footage now of a vigil thatis you some footage now of a vigil that is going on in paris. There was a small vigil that took place earlier on in london. By the looks it, paris one the looks of it, the paris one is quite some size. Lets go is of quite some size. Lets go straight up to the labour conference in liverpool and be joined by the labour member of parliament for brighton, kemptown Russell Moyle, kemptown Lloyd Russell moyle, who joins me live. Down the line who joins me live. Down the line. Lloyd, hello. Im thinking if. Lloyd, hello. Im thinking if Jeremy Corbyn had still been leader of the labour party, given that he classed hamas as being friends, this would have been some thing of a disaster for your party. But david lammy pretty strong in his condemnation. Condemnation. Well, i dont think there should be any doubt that hamas have always been a brutal and horrible group of people. Most reports , of course, say if there reports, of course, say if there was actually free and Fair Election in the gaza strip, hamas wouldnt get elected. And hamas wouldnt get elected. And weve now seen, of course , what weve now seen, of course, what they have been doing to their own people. All they are now, of course, going over the border and inflicting this awful tragedies and massacres on the israeli people. So it is it is no surprise to me because they are a horrible , brutal regime are a horrible, brutal regime that dont have the support of the vast majority of palestinians. And prior to this palestinians. And prior to this this moment. Palestinians. And prior to this this moment. So i think its quite right. The labour partys position here and im very pleased that we are pushing to say that things need to be done under international law. And whats what hamas did clearly breaches those principles and there needs to be some sort of reaction. It needs to be moderated. It needs to be, as you last speaker said, you need to think about the peace of the day after to ensure that you dont make things worse. Dont make things worse. Youve been yourself heavily associated with the palestinian cause, both in brighton and in parliament and elsewhere. And, parliament and elsewhere. And, you know, our hamas, the best that the free palestine cause have got. Have got. No, i mean. Well, first of all, hamas are not the main government for the west bank. Of course, that is fatah. And there is a you know, where there have been more democratic elections. Been more democratic elections. There are other left wing and social democratic parties in palestine that are active. Of course, they are not active in in gaza. Our sister party leader has been got a fatwa against her by hamas, you know, kind of a palestinian sister party. I mean, so there are plenty of people in palestinians that really want a democratic and peaceful future, one where sovereignty is ensured and they are treated as a state which they are under international law. But not, of course , one law. But not, of course, one where they murder other innocent people. Thats not acceptable. People. Thats not acceptable. No, of course not. Lloyd to liverpool , to the big speech liverpool, to the big speech today that we got from Rachel Reeves, the shadow, the shadow chancellor. Well she certainly delivered it with quite a lot of vim and vigour, theres no doubt about that. Was there any substance there . Substance there . Well, i think there was substance. There was substance around the fact that the labour is going to clamp down on this waste and on unfairness and i think that is the principle of laboun think that is the principle of labour, is it not, where you see money going to the cronies of the conservative party , the conservative party, corruption and unfairness. Corruption and unfairness. Labour will make sure we claw that back and not one of them will get away with it. We will track them down in any corner of the earth that they have squirrelled their money away. No tax haven will be safe with our investigators and with our with our corruption tsars. We will make sure everyone pays their fair share. I think that is a really good place to Start Building other tax policies around. And thats what she laid out today. Fairness where no one can escape their duty to contribute to our great country i well, i have to say, corruption starts to sound a little bit sinister to me, but hey, and lets remember that we go back a few years. It was only sinister. Nigel, if youve been involved in corruption. No, no, no, no, no. Its just the idea that these people get appointed enormous powers the idea that these people get appttheyi enormous powers the idea that these people get apptthey themselves10us powers the idea that these people get apptthey themselves are powers the idea that these people get apptthey themselves are notvers and they themselves are not accountable and accountable to anybody. And. And lloyd , you know, its only a few lloyd, you know, its only a few years were years ago that labour were giving peerages to any party giving out peerages to any party donor that came along. So is this different to new labour . This different to new labour . Well one of the great things of the Gordon Brown Commission is of course we will get rid of that temptation because we will get rid of this this awful house of lords and replace it with a chamber of the regions and the nations. So of course there are things that we learn our past as that we learn from our past as well. But we in the well. But we are in the situation of reacting to one of the very worst governments that weve awful long time weve had in an awful long time that has run down this country and has allowed their friends and has allowed their friends and mates to go laughing the and mates to go laughing all the way to the bank. And the same if you look about how foreign money has flooding in britain has come, flooding in to britain to up our Housing Stock and to buy up our Housing Stock and treat our homes as bullion in the streets and in the skies, we will end that as well with an increase in stamp duty for people that. These are the people like that. These are the policies that i think will make people realise that labour is working for britain. Labour is prepared to govern. Now it seems that im not there, many of colleagues there, but many of my colleagues are say that its are and they say that its really quite busy and quite buzzy theres huge amount buzzy and theres a huge amount of optimism in the air. Is there not . Lloyd Russell Moyle a danger of that 1992 moment where neil kinnock thought its in the bag , weve got it. Weve done , bag, weve got it. Weve done, were going to win this by a country mile. Is there not a danger in this situation , ian, danger in this situation, ian, of a little bit of hubris beginning to creep in . There is always that danger and thats why keir has repeatedly warned us that we must not assume that this is in the bag, that we must keep pushing every single direction and i know that one of the things were not going to do is assume any constituency is an easy fight. We are going to be on the ground in the streets, door to door, making sure that we that we that we win, that argument. Well, there we are. Lloyd well, there we are. Lloyd Russell Moyle the labour version of Winston Churchill in terms of the tactics theyre going to operate during the general election campaign. Thank you for joining me live from liverpool. In a moment, ill be joined by liam halligan. Lets get some Economic Analysis into what Rachel Reeves had to say and in particular, the role of the office for budget responsibility. I wonder if she was to do this. What the point would be of electing anybody. All of that in a couple youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Were going to stop the boats. We keep hearing that from the government. But of course so much of that in there minds is dependent on us being able to start sending people to rwanda. And as you know, theres been endless appeals and all of this. But today it got as far as the Supreme Court. This is the big one. And gb news is ray addison. Was there in a nutshell. Ray i mean, as simple as you can, whats really happening at the Supreme Court. So the Supreme Court court hearing, obviously, its going to be over the today until wednesday. Its all about judgement and trust. Its the governments judgement that it is safe to send migrants to rwanda. And they are saying that the court should trust that decision because theyve got the expertise, theyve got the people the ground and theyve people on the ground and theyve done the diligence. Of done the due diligence. Of course court is hearing course the court is hearing from representatives cases for the m i grants representatives cases for the migrants that that judgement is flawed and that rwanda is a very unsafe country and that their asylum system is not fit , fit asylum system is not fit, fit for purpose. And the United Nations getting involved as well. Getting involved as well. Yeah, absolutely. Theyre going to be. Kc representing the United Nations is going to be speaking tomorrow in the court and theyre going to be saying that rwanda lacks a fair and reliable , efficient asylum reliable, efficient asylum system , and theyre going to be system, and theyre going to be giving that evidence. I think giving that evidence. I think thatis giving that evidence. I think that is something that might surprise quite a lot of people to hear that that representation will place in. Will be taking place in. Im very surprised. Im very surprised that united surprised that the united nafions surprised that the United Nations getting involved nations is getting involved in a supreme ruling in our Supreme Court ruling in our country. Now, even if the government were to win , there is government were to win, there is still the possibility , is there still the possibility, is there not, of them being taken to the court in strasbourg . Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely. This is where it gets politically very interesting. Politically very interesting. Does, because rishi sunak it does, because rishi sunak has to two journalists. Has hinted to two journalists. Hes indicated to two journalists if they win , journalists that if they win, they will ignore any other rulings , any other courts, and rulings, any other courts, and also any other individual claims by migrants. And they will just start going ahead with that. Rwanda policy. Now, i think what gets interesting there is if they do win by how much do they win . If its 3 to 2 of those five judges or if its all five, then i think maybe its full steam ahead. If, you know, if its only narrow victory, then its only a narrow victory, then i youll have some i think youll have some question over how question marks. There over how legitimate really legitimate that decision really is it would look to the is and how it would look to the rest of international community. Funny, though, isnt it . If youre youre to going youre if youre to going potentially just ignore what the European Court of human rights says, he didnt says, i wonder why he didnt even mention it in his Conference Speech. Thats the bit im struggling so bit that im struggling with. So three days hearings and then bit that im struggling with. So tijudgement hearings and then bit that im struggling with. So tijudgement. 1earings and then a judgement. It could take a while. Im heanng it could take a while. Im hearing between a month it could even be until the end of the yean even be until the end of the year. Its not something thats going to happen quickly. All five judges will go away. Theyll make their own assessments and then theyll come together and theyll theyll figure out theyll sit down and figure out what what theyve come what theyve what theyve come up up a up with and come up with a unified, wide decision. And thats hear that thats when well hear that result. Nothing result. But nothing, nothing immediate politically, very, immediate but politically, very, very immediate but politically, very, verj radisson, thank very much radisson, thank you very much indeed. Us in. I i cant indeed. Keep us in. I i cant wait to hear what have to wait to hear what the un have to say tomorrow. So please come back let know on back and let us know why on earth they interfering . Earth are they interfering . Lets up to liverpool lets get back up to liverpool and going to join liam and were going to join liam halligan. Gb news is economics and Business Editor and a man who lives his life just on the road at conference after conference. So it would seem. Liam good evening. To begin on with Rachel Reeves pretty, pretty confident delivery , pretty confident delivery, pretty confident delivery, pretty confident delivery, pretty confident delivery. But this was a speech that was very, very long on crowd pleasing rhetoric. Nigel and pleasing rhetoric. Nigel and very short on actual policies , very short on actual policies, particularly policies which involve spending money. Rachel reeves shes no fool. She knows that the governments already spending £110 billion a year on debt interest. The second debt interest. The second biggest item on the governments Balance Sheet after the nhs. She Balance Sheet after the nhs. She knows that uk government borrowing costs are at a 25 year high across the world and governments having to pay a lot to borrow because Central Banks are probably going to have to keep Interest Rates higher for longer than we previously expected. That pushes up Government DebtService Costs and thats why the biggest announcement really from Rachel Reeves today. She said a little reeves today. She said a little bit of something on on planning reform, but she says shes going to increase the minimum wage. Well, the good thing about a minimum youre minimum wage increase, if youre a is that a labour chancellor is that business for a minimum Wage Business pays for a minimum wage increase, not the government. Yeah, well, thats right. It wouldnt be their responsibility. Its yeah, its the small employer, medium the small employer, the medium sized would finish sized employer that would finish up up the burden. Now, up picking up the burden. Now, Lloyd Russell moyle at a moment ago, were going ago, very bullish. Were going to hunt down tax evaders all over world. Were going to over the world. Were going to end non dom status. And they end non dom status. And they seem to really believe, liam, that they can bring in large sums of money by doing this. Well what labour doesnt want to do, it doesnt want to impose tax rises on ordinary households i yeah, taxation is already at 70 year high. Of course, but they do need to raise money because they want to spend money because they want to spend money because theyre a Labour Government thats what their government and thats what their voters activists voters and their activists expect them to do. So what theyre doing is theyre going after tax rises, which they think will popular with the think will be popular with the broader. That means broader population. That means going after these non dom wealthy people in the uk. Wealthy People Living in the uk. The trouble is labour say that will raise £3. 5 billion, but a secret treasury study says no , a secret treasury study says no, a lot of these wealthy people will leave the uk. A lot of them already are leaving the uk. Given the prospect of a Labour Government, theyll spend less in and actually this in the uk and actually this non dom manoeuvre cost the non dom manoeuvre will cost the treasury money, says seeker. A treasury money, says seeker. A treasury money, says seeker. A treasury report costs £350 million. Rather than raising £3. 5 billion, the same time, another bone to throw the left of the labour party. Were going to scrap the vat exemption on private school fees and thats going to bring in 5 or £600 million. Actually, it probably wont. If you talk to independent economists , because independent economists, because a lot of parents will simply stop sending their kids to independent school. The schools will have lower Balance Sheets. Theyll pay less tax overall, and those kids will then have to go on to the state sector and youll have find hundreds, youll have to find hundreds, maybe thousands more places every local authority for kids of parents leaving the independent sector because they cant afford it when fees are put up effectively by a fifth, when that vat exemption is removed. There you have it. Removed. So there you have it. Labour dont want to spend any money, but Rachel Reeves does want present herself a want to present herself as a kind of gordon brown throwback figure. She literally used the phrase i will be the iron chancellor like gordon brown. Shes saying that shes going to make the office for budget responsibility a lot more powerful. Lots of talk about liz truss and Kwasi Kwarteng and the fact they didnt refer their Spending Plans last october over in the mini budget to the obr. We had a bit of a panic on Financial Markets. Whose fault was that . Historians will judge , rachel is very, but Rachel Reeves is very, very keen on to be seen to be prudent , very keen on to be seen to be prudent, more prudent than the conservatives. Hey nigel, taxes conservatives. Hey nigel, taxes are so high at the lib dem conference, even the lib dems said were going to abandon our traditional policy of putting a penny on income tax for Public Services so no wants to be services so no one wants to be seen raising taxes. Liam lets seen raising taxes. Liam lets those posh Public Schools or the uber rich. Uber rich. Lets get to the obr, shall we . Again, one of these, one of these words that gets bandied aboutin these words that gets bandied about in the news and in the newspapers and actually just occasionally its good to say, right . Lets just redefine for everybody is the obr who everybody what is the obr who actually appoints them. Its worth knowing. Worth knowing. So the obr was set up by George Osborne when he was chancellor in 2010in response to gordon brown. Gordon brown, of course, was chancellor from 1997 for ten years before he became Prime Minister, after tony blair and gordon brown picked up a well deserved reputation, in my view, for fiddling with the figures and changing the growth assumptions. And, you know , a assumptions. And, you know, a new golden rule, changing the goalposts. So he didnt he wasnt seen to be failing any of his tests. And George Osborne , his tests. And George Osborne, tory incoming chancellor, wanted to put a stop to that. So he said, what he will do is set up an independent fiscal watchdog within whitehall , a separate but within whitehall, a separate but unked within whitehall, a separate but linked to the treasury. Linked to the treasury. Independent economists appointed by the chancellor , appointed by by the chancellor, appointed by committees to basically mark the governments homework work to say to the government, if you make this move on tax, if you make this move on tax, if you make this move on tax, if you make this move on spending, your deficit is going to be this, your deficit is going to be that. The problem is, nigel, the obr has become so powerful , all obr has become so powerful, all their forecasts have become destiny. Its as if elected ministers cant do anything. They want to do unless the obr says its fine. And of course no one knows who runs the obr, who the people are behind it, or where that power actually lies. So theres a democrat accountability issue here. No, there really is. I mean, you know, if you cant vote for people with different ideas on tax and spend, well, frankly, whats the point of voting for anybody . To give anybody . But she wants to give them power. All of them more power. All of that said, liam , how will the said, liam, how will the Financial Press tomorrow, in your view , to respond to rachel your view, to respond to Rachel Reeves speech . Reeves speech . Well, ive written a piece on the gb news website saying that this speech , aside from the kind this speech, aside from the kind of class war rhetoric which ive mentioned, the crowd pleasing tubthumping barbs at wealthy people and so on, but this speech, as i wrote in my piece on the gb news website, was basically for the Financial Markets to convince the Financial Markets that labour are prudent, that they wont spend too much money, that they wont borrow more than they should , or that were not going should, or that were not going to have some kind of gilt strike, as we call it, when the Financial Markets refuse to lend to the british government. Crikey, it happened in 1976. You all remember that , nigel. Even i all remember that, nigel. Even i remember it. And im younger than you, mate. The International Monetary fund under a Labour Government cap in hand, we had to be bailed out. It was our economic suez moment when the fact that britain was no longer a world class economy really came to the fore. It was for me that and the winter of discontent, which ushered in thatcherism that happened under a Labour Government. Gordon brown spent a lot of time talking about being the iron chancellor, being prudent, talking about being the iron chancellor, being prudent , and chancellor, being prudent, and in order to counter that and now Rachel Reeves is doing the same look to her. She she look in credit to her. She she delivered speech really well delivered the speech really well. I thought it was balanced between delegates here between what delegates here want and outside wants. But and the outside world wants. But be in no doubt, nigel, as the weeks months go by, the fact weeks and months go by, the fact that this shadow chancellor will not be wanting to see, to be spending money wont want to be pledging to borrow more money, wont want to be pledging to tax more to the left of the party. They will become increasingly impatient that increasingly impatient with that increasingly fractious and the two sides of the labour party are kind of hard left ideologues and the centrists who want power , the centrists who want power, the kind of, you know, new wave of blair ites, people like Rachel Reeves, they are going to come to blows. They are going to come to blows. They are going to come to blows. They are going to come to loggerheads. Is keir starmer. Tony blair enough . Crikey, tony blair, as an adjective is keir starmer. Tony blair enough to starmer. Tony blair enough to keep that coalition together , or keep that coalition together, or are the left going to freak out and frighten the horses of middle england and blow this election . Election . Liam halligan great analysis, great stuff. Thank you very much indeed. And tomorrow , of course, indeed. And tomorrow, of course, we will get sir Keir Starmers speech as leader. After the speech as leader. After the break, im going to tell you a story. You may not know it, but its a story about our history. Yes, our history and slavery. And one that we should be enormously proud of. And i think should be taught to every Single School kid in this country. Stay school kid in this country. Stay with me. Lets have some good news about this country. And its past eminent people like the archbishop of canterbury tell us regularly we should hang our heads in shame because of our role in slavery. In fact, youd role in slavery. In fact, youd think to listen to some people we were the only country in the history of mankind and ever to have in the activity. Have engaged in the activity. But there is another really very, very big story that i bet many of you dont know. Well, colin kemp is chairman of the west africa squadron memorial fund, and colin is going to tell us about what happened in this country after we decide to aboush country after we decide to abolish slavery. Colin good evening. Im afraid i cant hear you. Im afraid i cant hear you. You cant hear me. Thats very bad news. Thats very bad news indeed. Right. We will try news indeed. Right. We will try and sort out the technicals on this. So basically, after a very, very Long Campaign led by wilberforce and others , in the wilberforce and others, in the end, we do decide to abolish slavery in this country. But of slavery in this country. But of course, slavery, the slave trade is still taking place on an absolutely huge scale. And we absolutely huge scale. And we then decide that actually we are going to do something about it. And so we set up the west africa squadron, royal naval squadron , squadron, royal naval squadron, and over the next decade is what we do is we use the royal navy to stamp out slavery. We stop the other nations conducting slavery and shipping slaves to the americas, to the west indies. Colin kemp, ive got you back , colin. Good evening. Back, colin. Good evening. Good evening, nigel. Good evening, nigel. I was just explaining the basics of what the west africa squadron was. Just tell us how many years did we pursue this . Our attempt to drive out slavery and at what cost . And at what cost . Okay. Okay. The west africa squadron was formed in 1808, a year after we as the first country to abolish slavery , abolished slavery and slavery, abolished slavery and we operated until 1867. Wow dunng we operated until 1867. Wow during that time, we freed 150,000 slaves and lost 20,000 of our own men. Now, the cost is interesting because at the height of its operation, the west africa squadron took half of the whole royal navy budget or 2 of britains gdp. An or 2 of britains gdp. An enormous expenditure. Enormous expenditure. It is just the most astonishing story. And obviously we felt morally it was the right thing to do. And yet colin, it appears to have been lost out, perhaps deliberately lost by those who dont wish us to think well about our own country. But well about our own country. But youre attempting, as i understand it, to get a proper memori cial to the 20,000 men. Yes yes. I think ive lost you again. I think ive lost you again. I think ive lost you again. Oh, dear. Oh, dear, oh, dear. Well this is absolutely hopeless. And very disappointing because colin is doing a fantastic job. Now what hes going to do, he needs to raise £70,000 for a statue that will get put up in london in honour of those slaves. And what ill do, folks, is ill make sure that in a pretty prominent place on the gb news website , you can on the gb news website, you can see where if you want to give a little bit of money towards what colin kemp, the retired businessman from chichester, is trying to do. And the real question i ask myself is why are we not teaching this to every single kid in school . All nations, all nations have have engaged. And if youre looking at it now, you can see its ww dot crowdfunder. Okay. Uk fonnard slash west africa squadron thats there now but ill make sure that its prominent on the website Jacob Rees Mogg joins me jacob all nafions rees mogg joins me jacob all nations at times have engaged in slavery. We seem to be attempting to tell our youth that we are uniquely evil in all of this. And yet that story that colin wants to tell is an amazing one. Were not uniquely evil. Were uniquely good because we are the first country that decides as a matter of moral imperative. We have to stop slavery and if you look at the 19th century, look at things palmers sons doing in the 18205, 1830, hes making our 18205, the 1830, hes making our relations with both the United States and with portugal more difficult because theyre continuing in continuing to be involved in slavery. Were saying its slavery. And were saying its wrong. Political wrong. We use up political capital, diplomatic capital throughout the 19th century opposing slavery. Why is gordon, opposing slavery. Why is gordon, for example , moving to the 18805 for example, moving to the 18805 in khartoum . Hes in khartoum to try and stamp out the slave trade. Every other country in trade. Every other country in the had accepted slavery trade. Every other country in thenormalhad accepted slavery trade. Every other country in thenormal untilccepted slavery trade. Every other country in thenormal until theyted slavery trade. Every other country in thenormal until the british very as normal until the British Empire decides its abnormal, immoral, unchristian and routes it out. Why are we not telling people this . Because ill bet you that this . Because ill bet you that story that colin is now trying to push and he wants to get a statue memorial. Very good idea. I didnt know that story. Didnt i think im quite well informed on mark. Didnt know mark didnt know. Didnt know mark didnt know. All that i was absolutely all that wasted money at and mug wasted money at eton and the mug didnt know. Did you really know that . Did you really not know that . No, know that story. No, i didnt know that story. I didnt realise that wed lost 20,000 lives and that we had had squadron. I knew that had had a squadron. I knew that the to stop the royal navy had tried to stop the royal navy had tried to stop the yes, absolutely the slave trade. Yes, absolutely knew that. But i didnt know the astonishing 50 astonishing to think it was 50 of the navy royal navy of the Royal Navy Royal navy budget of that is budget at 1 of gdp. That is currently our whole defence budget. Well, thats right. Another thought, may, weve thought, jacob, if i may, weve seen in manchester, weve seen in brighton, weve seen in london out celebrating london people out celebrating the attacks, the hamas attacks on israel, the loss of life. Im on israel, the loss of life. Im heanng on israel, the loss of life. Im hearing this evening that a London Jewish School is telling school kids sort of to sort of cover up the school badge and whilst what is happening in israel and gaza is truly horrendous, were not in a great place here on this, are we . Well, its a very small number, but these people are wicked. I mean, to support the brutal killing of entirely innocent civilian ones. And the stories are heart rending. Theres story are heart rending. Theres story about the parents of twins who hid their twins and were found dead by the israeli military. And the cruelty of this, this is the sort of barbarity that one hoped had had ended. And anybody hoped had had ended. And anybody protesting in favour of hamas is putting their hands in blood. But its happening, im afraid, and its happening on our streets very quickly, jacob, whats your main story . Obviously going be talking obviously going to be talking about happened israel obviously going to be talking ab01the happened israel obviously going to be talking ab01the horror appened israel obviously going to be talking ab01the horror ofpened israel obviously going to be talking ab01the horror of itned israel obviously going to be talking ab01the horror of it and israel obviously going to be talking ab01the horror of it and thesrael and the horror of it and the need for the west to do two things to support israel, but also to do everything it can to stop iran, because its iran thatis stop iran, because its iran that is behind this. Absolutely and thats why i think what joe biden with iran joe biden has done with iran constantly appeasing iran is the most gigantic error. It is a huge mistake. Most gigantic error. It is a huge mistake. And thats it from huge mistake. And thats it from me today. Be back with you me today. Be back with you tomorrow at seven. Hello there. Im Greg Dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. Well see some patchy forecast. Well see some patchy low cloud and fog developing, particularly across southern parts of england and wales, but further heavy rain pushing into scotland. Thats courtesy of scotland. Thats courtesy of weather fronts pushing through over days. This over the next few days. This weather front are dividing line between air to the south between warm air to the south and colder trying to come and colder air trying to come into north by the middle of into the north by the middle of the weve already got the week. Weve already got that cloud into cloud and rain spilling into parts northern ireland, parts of northern ireland, pushing scotland pushing into western scotland as we this evening we move through this evening into the early hours, elsewhere turning grey, therell be turning quite grey, therell be some mist and low cloud developing of the developing by the end of the night, particularly south night, particularly across south western uk and western parts of the uk and fairly temperatures for all fairly mild temperatures for all staying up in double figures. So staying up in double figures. So its a wet start across scotland to start tuesday morning. To start tuesday morning. Outbreaks of heavy rain which will continue to push slowly south eastwards through the day here. So we could see some further Flooding Issues brightening across parts of brightening up across parts of england wales, low england and wales, some low cloud, though, lingering across southern counties. Plenty of hazy sunshine here, lifting temperatures to around 23 or 24, turning increasingly windy across the northern half of the uk as weather fronts push in. Those weather fronts slowly push their southwards into their way southwards into wednesday, turning heavy at times, across parts times, particularly across parts of wales. Further north, brighter , sunny spells and brighter, sunny spells and scattered showers, particularly across northwest scotland. Some of heavy at times quite of these heavy at times quite 111993l of these heavy at times quite muggy across southern parts of the uk under that cloud and rain a bit fresher. Further north and turning cooler as we head theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Hello, good evening. Its me, hello, good evening. Its me, Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nafion Jacob Rees Mogg on state of the nation tonight, israel finds itself facing what Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu has called not an operation, not a round of fighting , but war. Over round of fighting, but war. Over 700 israelis have been murdered by hamas including 250 people at a festival in the south of israel. Women have been paraded through the streets. Hostages through the streets. Hostages have been taken, including an elderly holocaust survivor. An elderly holocaust survivor. An eyewitness reports have claimed women were raped next to the dead bodies of their friends. None of this is enough for the bbc to call hamas what they are terrorists and Judgement Day for the governments rwanda deportation plan will soon be upon us. Today, the Supreme Court began three days of deliberations on the question of whether rwanda is a safe third country and if it was right for the court of appeal to rule the policy unlawful. With the migrant crisis at the forefront of national conversation, it of the national conversation, it is crucial that the court rules in right way. The architect in the right way. The architect of project fear, project fear, the man who set off inflation when he printed billions of pounds governor the bank pounds as governor of the bank of mark carney has of england. Mark carney has described the shadow chancellor, rachel after her Rachel Reeves, after her Conference Speech as serious Conference Speech as a serious economist. But with a record like his and the fact that he spread inaccurate claims about the size of our economy, the labour party is welcome to him. Plus troubling for the plus some troubling news for the evenings denouement. Should you force pet to vegan to force your pet to go vegan to save planet . A study last save the planet . A study last week has suggested that imposing ellingtonian