When he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. He was a student at jfs Jewish School in north london and had recently been living in central israel. Been living in central israel. At least 500 israelis are confirmed dead as fighting in gaza threatens to spiral into a major conflict. Benjamin netanyahu vowed to take a mighty vengeance and said his entire government is behind a decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organ nation. More than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. Hamas says israeli hostages are being held in secure places. The Prime Minister warned those in gaza to leave amid mounting signs that the conflict could spread. The conflict could spread. Begum what happened today has never been seen in israel. And i will make sure that it does not happen again. The entire government is behind this decision. The idf will immediately use all its strength to hamass capabilities to destroy hamass capabilities. We will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and its citizens. And its citizens. Speaking to gb news, Israels Deputy ambassador to the uk Oren Marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks. The attacks. He has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her hair body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorist shoved her into a car. And the terrorist shoved her into a car. And her and the terrorist shoved her into a car. And her eyes, into a car. And her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what theyre going to do to me, what kind of people commit these atrocities to other people , to atrocities to other people, to children . This home secretary children . This home secretary Suella Braverman has said she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas. It comes after videos have emerged appearing to show people in various parts of the city with flags flying while clapping in celebration. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick said one of the videos posted to social media he described those celebrating as disgusting and said there should. There is no place for anyone who glorifies the terrorist activities of hamas. In a statement, scotland hamas. In a statement, Scotland Yard said the met has increased patrols in parts of the capital. Speaking to gb news transport secretary mark harper also condemned the celebrations. Mass is , of course, mass is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation in the United Kingdom, so anybody expressing support for it is committing an offence. And i would hope that offence. And i would hope that the metropolitan police will investigate carefully any reports of anybody doing so and will take all the necessary steps aftennards. Steps aftennards. Is a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour Conference Event this morning. Conference event this morning. He was quickly removed from the stage before Angela Rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. Labours deputy leader took to the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government. Conservative government. It has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. But the tories. Also have one but the tories. Also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. Thats why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. You cannot level up from the top down. The tories only know how to centralise. Power and hold centralise. Power and hold wealth where it benefits them and staying with labour, the party says it would use Counter Terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous violent offenders in england and wales. Its part of labours mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade. Shadow home next decade. Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper says officers would be to told relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk. A who pose the greatest risk. A significant quantity of what is thought to have been cocaine has been discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire. The National Crime agency is investigating after a fisherman discovered holdalls containing hundreds of kilos of powder in the sea of purbeck more washed up on a beach on the isle of wight. The nca say the class a drugs would have originated in south america. They are urging the public to report any similar packages to their local police force. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news now lets return to nana. Now lets return to nana. Thank you, theo. Right. So thank you, theo. Right. So before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to head as joining me, deputy leader of reform uk , ben habib, leader of reform uk, ben habib, and author and broadcaster and also author and broadcaster amy Nicole Turner. So heres amy Nicole Turner. So heres whats coming up this hour. Its Conference Season and following deputy leader Angela Rayner speech well be speech this morning. Well be heading live to liverpool to speak news political speak with gb news Political EditorChristopher Hope to get all the latest years on from brexit as well. Well be looking at the referendum and the telling admission from the bank of governor andrew of england governor Andrew Bailey, hailed some of bailey, who has hailed some of the opportunities created by brexit, that brexit has brexit, saying that brexit has helped the british helped to protect the british economy. So is it about time people admit that brexit was actually a good thing . As another war erupts in israel, the uk and western allies are still pouring billions of pounds to support ukraine. But as the battle rages on, showing no sign of abating, is it time to end our funding . There and to get starmer made a big song and dance yesterday about his support but this is support for women. But this is the same starmer who previously struggled to define what a woman is and engaged in woke gender politics. Do you trust him on womens issues . And the government is proposing a radical makeover of britains sick regime to drive to get sick note regime to drive to get brits back to work. So after tories right to call an end to this sick note culture thats coming up in the next hour, as if you can get in touch, you can email me, me what you think email me, tell me what you think and were discussing. And what were discussing. Vaiews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb vaiews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. So we are vaiews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. So we are well vaiews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. So we are well and truly into the swing of party Conference Season. The lib dems kicked things off in bournemouth. Did they . A few bournemouth. Did they . A few weeks ago. Anybody remember nana followed by the conservatives last week and the greens on friday and reform yesterday and now its labours turn. Perhaps their most important Party Conference in a generation up in liverpool. So joining me now to give us an update on whats on the agenda for the next couple of days and the mood of the conference is gb news Political EditorChristopher Hope. Christopher welcome. Is christopher welcome. How is it faring . Whats mood faring . Whats whats the mood like are they talking like there . And are they talking to you . Whats the mood . Whats the mood . Well, the mood is well, not the mood is interesting for me. Interesting here for me. The kind of cardigan era, which is the german Jeremy Corbyn party leader, has corbyn was party leader, has gone by sharp suits gone to replace by sharp suits as keir starmer is here now, lots of people around here lobbying and activists who arent wearing sharp suits. But what i mean arent wearing sharp suits. But whati mean the arent wearing sharp suits. But what i mean the money is what i mean is the money is going towards Labour Party Going towards the labour party for that i can for the first time that i can remember since really well the early , the early 20, 2010s. Early, the early 20, 2010s. Thats the kind of feeling that this party may be on the edge of power. So far today weve had angela speak. She gave a Angela Rayner speak. She gave a good, speech about good, impassioned speech about how sunak taking the how rishi sunak taking the sledgehammer to the foundations of life. Shes had the of british life. Shes had the labour party will bring back decent jobs , Affordable Homes decent jobs, Affordable Homes and strong communities. Decent jobs, Affordable Homes and strong communities. She she and strong communities. She she even unveiled something called a take back control unit. You mentioned brexit before, just then rebalance the scales of then to rebalance the scales of then to rebalance the scales of the system. I can hear the planning system. I can hear you laughing in the studio there, but interesting. There, but its interesting. I mean, think theres an attempt mean, i think theres an attempt here to rebrand what is. Here to rebrand what brexit is. Well, how make it work well, how it how to make it work for people because lets face it, the brexit vote that many people for back in people voted for back in 2016 has yet deliver any real has yet to deliver any real tangible benefits for those who voted it. Earlier, we had voted for it. Earlier, we had keir starmer talking. He talked about building 1. 5 million new homes. Thats thats about a third up on what the tories are doing. So far. For me its the whole tone of it here is they dont want to mess it up. This kind of lead theyve got in the polls like a ming vase theyre carrying around the kind of Political Landscape , the dead Political Landscape, the dead drop. Its theyre not doing anything to scare people. Not going to increase inflation, income tax or had that from keir starmer already. They just want starmer already. They just want to get over the line almost tip toe power rather than go toe into power rather than go there with a massive acclamation of what were going to do. And of what were going to do. And thats thats why you see not a lot of big things happening just mood in a sense. Youve mood music in a sense. Youve got the tories there for 13 years, in scotland there for years, snp in scotland there for longer. Heres a new party with new ideas and thats the point of this tory of this labour conference in liverpool. I can see why you slipped up saying tory. I mean theres not much them. Like your much between them. I like your analogy a ming vase because analogy of a ming vase because actually lead seems to be actually their lead seems to be sort coming even more. Sort of coming down even more. I mean, heard it was 13 mean, we heard it was 13 percentage points. Now so, so the their lead is really closing in. Now the tory party seem to be catching them up in some way. Is there any sense of that is there any sense of worry that they lose and have they could lose that . And have you to any body yet whos you spoken to any body yet whos mentioned suggested that they you spoken to any body yet whos ment concerned jggested that they you spoken to any body yet whos ment concerned . Gested that they you spoken to any body yet whos mentconcerned . Noted that they you spoken to any body yet whos mentconcerned . No no, that they you spoken to any body yet whos mentconcerned . No no, no, they you spoken to any body yet whos mentconcerned . No no, no, noty were concerned . No no, no, not yet. They certainly feel theyve got a chance to here beat the tories. I think that that result the best the biggest poll that matters this month has been the rutherglen and hamilton west. By election on friday morning, that huge swing towards the labour party, a 20 swing in scotland means that the party can now think about winning 25, maybe even seats in scotland. And even 30 seats in scotland. And that takes the heat off them, the pressure off them to win seats north of england, seats in the north of england, the wall that theyre the red wall seats that theyre not sure about starmer not quite sure about starmer yet. Hoping, of yet. The tories are hoping, of course, that these dominoes course, that this these dominoes do come back towards the tory party thats youre party and thats why youre seeing practical seeing these more practical ideas on on net zero and trying to trying to offer more Practical Solutions to peoples problems. We may hear more from Rachel Reeves tomorrow. Dont forget, shes the shadow chancellor about how labour might because what might enrich people because what for the for all these for me, the test for all these conferences is whats in it for our viewers . How might they conferences is whats in it for our vricheri . How might they conferences is whats in it for our vricher oriow might they conferences is whats in it for our vricher or not . Night they conferences is whats in it for our vricher or not . Ifjht they conferences is whats in it for our vricher or not . If they|ey feel, richer or not . If they vote for these parties . Vote for these parties . Well, christopher, thank you so much. Well come back to you throughout the day, will keep us updated. Christopher updated. Thats Christopher Hope. News political hope. Hes a gb news Political Editor party editor at the labour Party Conference. Right. So lets get started. Lets let me welcome again head head as deputy again my head to head as deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib, mr broadcaster amy mr author and broadcaster amy nicole so its Nicole Turner. So its Conference Season. Its fully and truly undennay. The tory, the tory Party Conference last week, had reform yesterday. Week, we had reform yesterday. Labour now in conference labour is now in Conference Season. Ben and amy, what do you think . Im going to start with you, amy, actually, because what do you think . Are they are they doing the right things . Are they making right are you making the right sounds . Are you feeling labour are ready . Feeling that labour are ready . I think labour are on we, i think labour are on track reflects that track and polling reflects that. The mood reflects that any thing after the chaos that was last weeks tory Party Conference is going to be an improvement on what a wasted opportunity that was. Things opportunity that was. Things like smoking bans, a level scrapping and what was the other one . Just oh , fantastical meat one . Just oh, fantastical meat taxes as well. I mean, taxes as well. I mean, anythings going to be an improvement, but i think Angela Rayners her new new jobs plan very is exactly what we want to hear at the moment. Shes strong. Shes actually giving us solutions to britains problems , as Anneliese Dodds did. Another amazing speech pointing out how labour really are the party. I struggle with her though, for women. No, no, no. I thought you might mention that i struggle with her because she was another one that couldnt say what a woman is. Was another one that couldnt saywere a woman is. Was another one that couldnt saywere going|an is. Was another one that couldnt saywere going to is. On to that later. Yes, well come to that. But ben habib. Well, i mean, as you said, it nana, when Christopher Hope was speaking, theres hardly a sliver of difference between the conservative the conservative party and the labour parties have labour party. Both parties have replaced or would replace given half opportunity, half an opportunity, the tory party unsuccessfully aspiration would wealth would dependency or Wealth Creation been set aside for creation has been set aside for Wealth Redistribution. We actually Angela Rayner actually heard Angela Rayner talk levelling up from, talk about levelling up from, you know , from the bottom up. You know, from the bottom up. But what she actually means is pulling the top down. Thats what labour is going what the labour party is going to can you create wealth to do. Can you create wealth unless redistribute it f i rst . First . Surely thats the key to productivity. Productivity. At all. The way you no, not at all. The way you have economy. Thats have to grow the economy. Thats both parties lack a vision for growth. Were going to talk about the labour markets. Were going to about how the going to talk about how the tories to get more people tories want to get more people back work. But of course, back into work. But of course, at heart of the at the heart of getting the United Kingdom working is cutting the working and cutting taxes on the working and middle so theres not middle classes. So theres not a sliver between them. The Party Conference been was conference who have been at was reform conference reform uks Party Conference yesterday, absolutely yesterday, which was absolutely stimulating. We talked about stimulating. We talked about every single major issue with a solution on every single major issue in a way that neither the tories nor the labour party are even beginning able to begin with. So i mean we absolutely knocked it out of the park yesterday and hes not biased in any way whatsoever. Being what is your position position at reform. I am now deputy leader of reform. Reform. Just just put it out there. All right. But listen, i want to talk about this because the government of the bank of england, hes england, Andrew Bailey, hes argued has created argued that brexit has created opportunities in opportunities for the uk. In an interview prospect interview with prospect magazine, actually admitted magazine, he actually admitted that while leaving the eu had a negative impact negative and Short Term Impact on country, which a lot of on the country, which a lot of us who voted to leave predicted the post brexit landscape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotentialzxit landscape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for landscape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for real scape gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for real longe gives us who voted to leave predicted thepotential for real long term s us potential for real long term good outcomes. Now this comes the same week as reports that the same week as reports that the bank of england dedicated 600,000 annually to promote diversity inclusion. The diversity and inclusion. The bank england sort of woke me bank of england sort of woke me up little bit, but is it time up a little bit, but is it time that admit that brexit was that you admit that brexit was actually a good thing . Im going to with amy, again, to start with you, amy, again, because bens going because i know what bens going to pure smoke and to say is pure smoke and mirrors. To say is pure smoke and mirror suggest that brexit was a to suggest that brexit was a success in any meaningful way. Success in any meaningful way. Andrew bailey has previously gone on record to say the complete opposite to say. But i think what hes doing here is almost damage limitation. So hes said its created opportunities in the same way a car crash could create opportunities. Plenty to scrap, plenty fix , and a very plenty to fix, and a very expensive insurance claim. It remains the fact that brexit has shrunk the economy by 4 and imports and exports are down by 15. Thats the fact. Okay. But we were the mass importer, werent we really . So if the imports are lower, were importing less from them. Were obviously getting it from somewhere else. Ben habib well, let me just say brexit nothing say this. Brexit has got nothing to the state of the to do with the state of the United Kingdoms economy. Political up, constitutional political set up, constitutional status. Feeling, the status. What were feeling, the effects are the deals that we effects of are the deals that we did with the European Union as we left. No one did with the European Union as we left. No one can did with the European Union as we left. No one can argue that we left. No one can argue that brexit is a failure. Brexit is merely the United Kingdom taking back becoming an back control, becoming an independent sovereign nation along with another 167 nations across the world, there are 195. The vast majority of the countries in the world are not part of the eu and they survive perfectly well. But there is a stark contrast between what Andrew Bailey said yesterday and what his predecessor , mark what his predecessor, mark carney, said back in 2016, who said who set aside, by the way, £250 billion because he thought thered be a run on the banks if we simply voted to leave, he said wed lose 75,000 jobs in the city. Actually, weve added 100,000 jobs to the city since we left. And brexit offers we left. And brexit offers a phenomenal opportunity. The Financial Services sector then the brexit offers a financial fantastic option city for the Financial Services sector , Financial Services sector, which, like so many other things with this government, we have not taken advantage of. Amy makes a good point, she said. When are we going to get these things . Well, we need this is the problem the conservative problem with the conservative party. Aligned ourselves problem with the conservative partythe aligned ourselves problem with the conservative partythe when 1ed ourselves problem with the conservative partythe when 1ed talk elves problem with the conservative partythe when 1ed talk about with the eu. When we talk about brexit as i as i said, brexit failure as i as i said, brexit failure as i as i said, brexit cant fail by definition. But the reason we havent taken advantage because we advantage of it is because we still remain entirely aligned with eu. Were still with the eu. Were still practising a socially based economic model with Wealth Redistribution and dependency at the heart of that model. Well amy is making a good point. We havent really brexited actually in many respects were still tied to the eu, so we havent got lot of those benefits. Weve had no meaningful benefits at and anybody benefits at all. And anybody whos been living in the uk since referendum can see since the referendum can see that have to have that you dont have to have a meaningful benefit by becoming an sovereign nation. Minute, thats thats wait a minute, thats thats what were promised. What people were promised. Expected. Thats what people expected. Thats people voted no. Thats why people voted no. People . What people . What people . One in power actually no one in power actually thought that that vote was going to through. Nobody thought to go through. Nobody thought we were leave. We were actually going to leave. We were actually going to leave. We were going to appease were just going to appease the eurosceptics. But now it happened on day when happened even on the day when that referendum result came in, bofis that referendum result came in, boris himself couldnt that referendum result came in, boris it. Himself couldnt that referendum result came in, boris it. Ino. ;elf couldnt believe it. Oh, no. I mean, i completely agree. I mean, i completely agree. A plan. They dont we have a plan. They dont have a plan. And its not working at the moment. I just just stop can i just can i just stop you because you just told you there . Because you just told me and those who voted what we voted why for it. Voted and why we voted for it. Did you vote for . What did you vote for . What did you vote for . Well, for hopefully well, i voted for hopefully us actually empowering ourselves well, i voted for hopefully us aactually� mpowering ourselves well, i voted for hopefully us aactually empowering urselves well, i voted for hopefully us aactually empowering ourelves well, i voted for hopefully us aactually empowering our own and actually empowering our own economy and breaking away from the rules and the European Union rules and going getting trade going out and getting trade deals other countries and deals with other countries and also who also being able to decide who should come to this country as well. The eu. Well. Okay outside of the eu. Back control of our so taking back control of our laws, economically less well laws, our economically less well off, but then also migrate in migration has gone up. Migration has gone up. But thats got nothing to do with brexit. Thats everything to do with the policies being practised by brexit to control immigration. That has not been real. That has not been real. And thats because weve got a government thats because weve got a government that simply unable, unwilling, simply is unable, unwilling, hasnt got the vision, hasnt got the execution skills to take back control. Back control. Well, you sound like a bad workman blaming his tools. Im im just ive called im not. Im just ive called out the eu deal that we did the two eu deals Boris Johnson did from the minute they were drafted. Deals i why would you have us still in there . Wed still be in there. So the eu is shrinking. Its interesting. Their trade so far theyre not doing very well. We are growing more than they are than predicted. You are more than predicted. You would have a slightly often would have a slightly we often talk democratic will talk about the democratic will of the people. Cant be denied. Right. That cant be denied. I that that vote went i know that that vote went through, unfortunately since through, but unfortunately since that of that the democratic will of the people shifted. People have people has shifted. People have buyers people has shifted. People have buyers regret. No. If you did a second referendum, i dont think youd have the same result because those promises were not realised. No, well, im not. Im not regretful. Ben is not. Im. I keep hearing. I feel thats just stubbornness, though, because failed to find anybody who voted brexit that says, oh, ive changed my mind and i dont want to. And in fact, i found more people who voted to remain who actually want to leave. And i think this narrative, wheres the benefit pushed . Why does have to be why does there have to be a benefit independent benefit to be an independent country . Is the country . Because that is the benefit. The benefit to benefit. That is the benefit to the point because at the moment were to up it were trying to make up for it by saying, look, weve joined by saying, oh look, weve joined a bloc in timbuktu. A trading bloc in timbuktu. We trading bloc. We had a trading bloc. We had a trading bloc. Make no excuses for brexit i make no excuses for brexit is problem in the uk and weve is a problem in the uk and weve reduced it. We have a problem with productivity were with productivity because were practising a European Union economic model which is dependent on Wealth Redistribution, not creation on cheap labour labour. The European Union is interesting. I European Union is interesting. I was in rome last weekend and i was in rome last weekend and i was speaking at a conference and this was meant to be a pro italian conference. They saw their salvation through the eu. What they dont recognise is the eu is part of the problem. The eu is part of the problem. The eu has a schengen zone. It doesnt want borders, it wants mass migration. It wants people mass migration. It wants people to be able to flow right across europe when they want to flow across europe. Eu is a across europe. The eu is a problem practically. Its been his last disaster, but philosophically been but philosophically its been a disaster well because its disaster as well because its prompted conversations prompted a conversations and disagreements since disagreements like this since 2016. Referendum throwing out the in people. And the extremes in people. And thats what weve seen and that has that has directly contributed to the division that we see in politics rather than people who have not. But silent i thats what it is. The division doesnt change just because people arent saying anything. I do not like the referenda and the mechanism of referenda and i dont would you . I dont think but would you . I dont think its anything for this its done anything for this country keep talking about country we keep talking about and we still arguing many and we still arguing how many years later . Listen, i dont think well, listen, i dont think thatll ever change. I the thatll ever change. I am the chief arguing. Love it if chief of arguing. I love it if you join us. Welcome on you just join us. Welcome on board. Head. Im board. Its head to head. Im nana this is gb news. Nana akua. This is gb news. Joining me, ben habib and also amy Nicole Turner. Weve got loads come the way. Loads still to come on the way. A radical overhaul of sicknote approvals be approvals by gps is to be announced this autumn in a bid to people back to work. Ill to get people back to work. Ill be the tories be asking you, are the tories right to call for an end to isabel monday to thursdays from six till 930. Six till 930. Good afternoon. Its just good afternoon. Its just coming up to 26 minutes after 3 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua live on tv, online and on Digital Radio. Now, a dozen people were wounded, including a mother and her nine month old babyin mother and her nine month old baby in a russian attack on the southern ukrainian region of kherson today. Now, this follows reports that us President Joe Biden is considering a one and done spending bill to fund the war in ukraine until the next president ial election. Now, this with a general election on the honzon with a general election on the horizon for the next year in the uk, is it actually time to stop funding ukraine . Joining me to battle it out, going head to head, author and broadcaster amy Nicole Turner and also deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib. Ben time . Ben habib, is it time . Well, we certainly need to reappraise precisely what it is were hoping to achieve out of ukraine. And we have to be you know, weve got to put the United Kingdom when we United Kingdom first. When we decide it is we wish to get decide what it is we wish to get out ukraine. The chancellor out of ukraine. The chancellor the day described the the other day described the ukrainian war as the biggest contributor or one of the top three contributors to inflation, that it was really damaging the uk economy. And thats beyond obviously the 4 or 5 billion weve already spent. And the pressure thats on the government to spend another 2 billion on the ukrainian wall, i mean, im talking about the indian act, financial and economic impact. Indian act, financial and economic impact. And if hes economic impact. And if hes right that this is having such a big burden on the uk economy, we have to think with british interests at heart and i think were making a huge mistake now in ukraine because our geopolitical aim, which was to prevent russia from taking ukraine and parking its its missiles on the polish border, thats been delivered. And we now need zelenskyy in my view, we need zelenskyy to reappraise what his position is and we need to be influencing that decision. And the notion that this is a completely. See this is a war completely. See this is a war where all the money that were putting in is going towards the war effort is a fundamentally flawed notion. All wars are corrupt. All wars result in in money being taken in nefarious ways. And im sure there are a lot of vested interests now wanting to keep this war going, including, of course, the military industrial complex. But a lot of other people will be skimming money out of it. And we need our politicians need to sit back now and decide what do we as a country need . We rushed into afghanistan. We regretted into afghanistan. We regretted it. 3 trillion later, the same with iraq, the same with the arab spring in 2011. And i fear were beginning to make the same mistakes in ukraine. We need to think very carefully. Amy. Well i would argue that we are putting our interests first by remaining at the forefront of the conflict , forefront of the conflict, because ultimately the Ukrainian Security is our national security. This is an attack on the west. So the west needs to come together to say, well , is it together to say, well, is it really . I think it really is. If you look at the actual foundations of the conflict , you look at the actual foundations of the conflict, all to do partially with the fact that, you know, there was a problem around nato expansion. Problem around nato expansion. Putin, putins reasoning behind this war is a problem with democracy. Democracy. But but that doesnt so its an attack on democracy. So i think thats an attack on the west, though. I think it is an attack on the west. And i think thats why its important that the west stand in solidarity against it. Doesnt he just want the ussr as it originally . So he as it was originally . So he wants ukraine back in the fold . Isnt that kind of way . I i personally i dont i personally would not on that. Not be as sure on that. But we have to unpick, you know, i think were in danger of conflating issues. So there are two issues going on here. What does want the wall does putin want out of the wall and do we want of the and what do we want out of the wall . Well, i agree as quickly as possible. We it over as as possible. We want it over as quickly possible. And we want quickly as possible. And we want the the west to go the threat to the west to go away. But weve that away. But weve achieved that aim. Pinned down in the aim. Hes pinned down in the south ukraine. South Eastern Region of ukraine. And a real risk, and i think theres a real risk, by the way, theres a real non negligible risk that Russian Forces can break out of the east and eastern part of and south eastern part of ukraine and start attacking again. That spring offensive that told would break that we were told would break the resolve. It never the russian resolve. It never came about. They never broke the russian resolve. The russians are holding firm what would russian resolve. The russians are holctog firm what would russian resolve. The russians are holcto westermat would russian resolve. The russians are holcto western foreignld russian resolve. The russians are holcto western Foreign Policy happen to western Foreign Policy if russia, some miracle , if russia, by some miracle, managed to break out of being hemmed in south eastern hemmed in in south Eastern Ukraine . Do you think russia would then do deal . Absolutely would then do a deal . Absolutely not. It would be an emboldened russia. Would be back on the russia. It would be back on the forefront. It would be its forefront. It would be on its fourth. Would coming fourth. It would be coming fonnard with aggression. Fonnard with super aggression. Weve now got a position where russia is entrenched. Theyre stuck , and we should be using stuck, and we should be using that to try and bring peace. But the problem is that i think conversations this think conversations like this can a fatigue, a war can promote a fatigue, a war fatigue and you forget that in ukraine at the moment, the humanitarian consequences of whats going on, we cant fall, we cant see. Sure isnt a longer war more death, though. So if it carries on and carries on and we keep pumping weapons, but ignoring it is surely going to its not ignonng is surely going to its not ignoring it. But what were doing now doesnt seem be doing now doesnt seem to be doing now doesnt seem to be doing much. I just think theyre still fighting. Havent still fighting. We havent achieved were getting still fighting. We havent achieveof were getting still fighting. We havent achieveof nuclear were getting still fighting. We havent achieveof nuclear we� other ting threats of nuclear and other threats of nuclear and other threats being attacked in threats of being attacked in this country, which is shocking, to do everything we can. So when grant shapps said hes going to send troops to train the ukrainian army, that was absolutely to suggest was absolutely daft to suggest that boots are going to that british boots are going to be on ukrainian soil, utterly daft. When this war started, one of the sensible things our government said and the americans said was that we wouldnt provide offensive weapons wouldnt put weapons and we wouldnt put boots ground. We are now boots on the ground. We are now provide now providing provide we are now providing offensive weapons. They have weapons are striking russia weapons that are striking russia repeatedly and supplied by us. This is escalating. We need to be very careful how this war plays out. So you dont think america should have sent those jets . I dont i dont think we jets . I dont i dont think we should be providing a weapons of aggression. Doesnt think so. So. You think we should carry on with war . What you think with the war . What do you think at think we should end. At home . I think we should end. War. End the war. End the war. But the way to end it, it seems to be theyre pumping in more if you pump more more weapons. If you pump more weapons, going to end it. Well, i think youre wanting them to carry on fighting. Id say we have absolutely say we have to do absolutely everything. Also everything. That was also something cleverly something that James Cleverly made was foreign made clear when he was foreign secretary, that would secretary, that we would not stop until was at peace stop until ukraine was at peace again. That would a again. And that would be a victory. Again. And that would be a victright. Well, listen, right. Okay. Well, listen, what you think home . What do you think at home . Vaiews gbnews. Com. Tweet me now. Are your now. Get in touch. What are your views the way be views on the way well be discussing sexual in discussing Sexual Harassment in the workplace, which will be given protections as whistleblowers a labour whistleblowers under a Labour Government. So therefore, if you are doing sort government. So therefore, if you ar thing, doing sort government. So therefore, if you ar thing, this doing sort government. So therefore, if you ar thing, this willjing sort government. So therefore, if you ar thing, this will be; sort government. So therefore, if you ar thing, this will be a sort of thing, this will be a criminal offence. Ill be asking you, trust sir keir you, do you trust sir keir starmer issues . But starmer with womens issues . But first, your latest first, lets get your latest News Headlines with addison News Headlines with ray addison i thanks, nana its 332. Thanks, nana its 332. Our top story this hour, a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants. Thats been confirmed by his family. Nathaniel young was serving with the Israeli Defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. He the gaza border yesterday. He was a student at jfs Jewish School in north london and had recently been living in central israel. Well, israels prime israel. Well, israels Prime Minister says his entire Government Supports the decision to destroy the hamas terrorist organisation. Those of you organisation. Those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza now where smoke , the result of rocket smoke, the result of rocket blasts , can be seen drifting blasts, can be seen drifting across the skyline. Benjamin netanyahu vowed to take mighty vengeance after more than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterdays surprise attack, more than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border , describing it as border, describing it as a wicked city. The Prime Minister told gazas people to leave with begum what happened today has never been seen in israel and i will make sure that it does not happen again. The entire government is behind this decision. The idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamass capabilities. We will destroy capabilities. We will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and its citizens i well, home secretary Suella Braverman says she expects the police to use the full force of the law against displays of support for hamas. It comes support for hamas. It comes after videos emerged appearing to show people in various parts of london with flags flying while clapping in celebration. In a statement , Scotland Yard in a statement, Scotland Yard said the met has increased patrols in the capital. Well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour Conference Event this morning. He was event this morning. He was quickly removed from the stage before Angela Rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. Labours deputy leader event. Labours deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory rule has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. But the tories also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. Thats why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. You cannot level up from the top down. The tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them. You can get more on all of those stories on our website, gbnews. Com now lets get straight back to nana. Good afternoon. To nana. Good afternoon. 35 minutes after 3 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Now, coming up, a radical overhaul of sicknote approvals by gps is to be announced this autumn in a bid to get people back to work. Ill be asking other tories right to call for an end to the sicknote culture. But next Angela Rayner kicked off the labour Party Conference by labour Party Conference today by revealing that party plans revealing that the party plans to on sexual to clamp down on Sexual Harassment at work. Sir keir harassment at work. Sir keir starmer also made a big song and dance yesterdays dance about yesterdays yesterday about his support for women. But this is the same man who previously struggled to define what a woman is. Do you remember he went a i as though he was. I dont know what he was doing with his hand. So can you translate party with womens translate the party with womens issues to discuss . Joining me, ben also amy nicholl ben habib and also amy nicholl bev turner. Theyll be discussing after the peoples channel. Britains news channel. Britains news channel. So welcome back. If youve just tuned in, where on earth have you been . This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Just coming up to 40 minutes after 3 00 now, the labour party have unveiled new plans down on sexual plans to clamp down on Sexual Harassment the workplace. New harassment in the workplace. New figures show that almost 5 million women expose such behaviour at work each year and this , of course, follows sir this, of course, follows sir Keir Starmers u turn on gender in july, after he declared that a woman is an adult female. Finally it took him two years, but at the beginning he thought that a woman did have a penis. Then she doesnt. But the partys hardened stance on gender contradicted previous gender contradicted his previous pledge law to pledge to change the law to allow to allow trans people to self declare gender. So this is what theyre talking about now. So joining me to go head to head is broadcaster turner is broadcaster amy nicol turner and deputy leader of reform uk, ben im to ben habib. Amy, im going to start with do you trust the start with you. Do you trust the labour party womens issues . Labour party on womens issues . Certainly do. Yes, i certainly do. Yes, i certainly do. But how is this the labour party . We are the party of the equal pay we are the party of the equal pay act. The labour party are the party that passed the right to choose the labour party are the architects of the equality act, which labour . The labour party you can trust on womens issues, but the labour party, they brought more female mps into politics than any other party, the behaviour towards Rosie Duffield then, because she was frightened to go to her own Party Conference because she had confirmed a woman you know confirmed that a woman you know as well as i do that Rosie Duffield is a trans exclusion free, radical feminist. Oh shes not here to defend herself. So i just want you to explain why she would i think she would be pretty open about that fact. Whats a radical feminist trans exclusion . So Rosie Duffield accept trans duffield doesnt accept trans women women thats women as women, and thats why she herself a in spot she finds herself in a in a spot of bother. So you are going to of bother. So you are going to find yourself in a spot with that type of with that, with that type of with that, with that type of with that, with that type statement , because, that type of statement, because, you know, that would that would go against the equalities act. No, somebody is no, no. If somebody is undergoing gender reassignment, even if theyre a social transition stage and they are recognised as the gender that they are by law. Yeah. Okay. So that would mean im stating biological fact. So it kind of becomes irrelevant. No, no, no. It is relevant to me. Biological fact is that a trans woman is a biological man, okay . And thats not trans exclusionary. That is the truth. But it is truth, isnt it . But am i right or wrong . I think youre a trans woman, a biological man. Just tell me that, amy, youre wrong. No, no. No, no. So. So youre saying that a that a trans woman is not a biological man in rare cases , biological man in rare cases, the sex you were assigned at birth biologically which birth biologically sex, which is immutable, . Immutable, right . Fine. Okay. So youve admitted it. But. But your biological sex can become irrelevant in the of the irrelevant in the eyes of the law, the way of the way you law, in the way of the way you live. Talking about facts in every fibre of your experience. So if a trans woman calls up a hospital who is a biological man and says, i think im having a miscarriage and i need somebody to and see me, you think to come and see me, you think they should send an ambulance . Because eyes of law, because in the eyes of the law, that trans who is that trans woman who is a biological man is actually a woman. Just completely woman. Ive just got completely lost what saying. Lost on what youre saying. Imagine. Youre talking so imagine. So youre talking about somebody that hasnt had about a somebody that hasnt had gender reassignment or i dont know the components of their biology. I dont know their physiological bearing. You dont physiological bearing. You dont know what my physiology is, really. You know, im a woman, but you dont know if ive got all these talking, do you think that after a man who has now decided to be a woman so you decided to be a woman so you decide nana that i need to finish. You right . Let me finish the sentence. Okay. If you interrupt, you know what im saying . All right. So in your view, going to take in your view, im going to take some notes because going. Some notes because its going. Trans a biological trans woman who is a biological man was born, once theyve man once was born, once theyve had reassignment, now had gender reassignment, can now claim that they are pregnant. No , no. No, no. No, no. So is a trans woman. When did so is a trans woman. When did i ever say that . Ive just said you could get. So ive just asked you the scenario of a trans woman whos a man calling the hospital, saying, im pregnant, to send pregnant, i need someone to send me because im me an ambulance because im having of miscarriage having some sort of miscarriage or something that. You or Something Like that. You would hospital would think that that hospital would think that that hospital would ambulance. Would send an ambulance. Bizarre incredibly bizarre proposition to me. Proposition to put to me. I dont that i dont think dont think that i dont think that scenario has ever happened. Need give me an example. You need to give me an example of that. Your trans woman. And so youre a man. Your trans woman. And so youso a man. Your trans woman. And so youso you an. Your trans woman. And so youso you think the ambulance so you think the ambulance youre a fantasist. Goodbye. Called him. She surely she called him. She just because. Just called because. Is no trans there no, there is no trans there is woman whos saying is no trans woman whos saying theyre miscarriage. Theyre having a miscarriage. I dont understand this proposition. The point making is that, the point im making is that, you know, that thats ridiculous. Youve even called somebody who that who would say that as a fantasist. So, you their fantasist. So, you know, their biology point is biology matters. So my point is that a trans woman is a biological man, and they cannot be they cannot have be pregnant. They cannot have a baby. I think i think youre youre conflating , which is something conflating, which is something rosie youre Rosie Duffield does. Youre conflating with conflating biological sex with genden conflating biological sex with gender. Thats not the way think. I think that you are you are actually separating biological sex from gender, and i dont agree with that. Agree with that. I mean, make me well, i mean, l, i mean, make me well, i mean, i, you know, for me, there there are only two sectors, two sexes, and there are only two genders. And i wouldnt call a man who i identifies himself as a woman, as a trans woman. Id say hes still a trans man. Hes a man thatis still a trans man. Hes a man that is trans. And i think part of the issue here, this is very digressing slightly. Im digressing slightly. Im digressing slightly, but its an important point because language is often being to promote these kind of ideologies. Hes still kind of ideologies. Hes still a man. Hes still a man. And he may have he may recognise himself to be a woman. He may wish to be called jane. And id be very happy to call him jane, but he is still a man and at best hes a trans man because he identifies as something else. Hes trans. Hes a man, hes trans. Hes a trans man. Hes not a trans woman. Theres nothing woman about him apart from and apart maybe a wig from and apart from maybe a wig and lipstick. Or maybe he had cosmetic or maybe he had some cosmetic surgery. Nothing woman about theres nothing woman about him. Dysphoria, gender him. Gender dysphoria, gender dysphoria. Recognising yourself to is to be a sex which youre not is a condition. Its a psychiatric condition. Its not an ideological position. Its a psychiatric condition. And i agree with you that we shouldnt be prejudiced against people who have that have that gender dysphoria, but we must recognise in order for society to be sane and for government regulations and policies not to be made that are contrary to the womens interests. Apart from anything else , weve got to be anything else, weve got to be sensible in the way that we address this issue. A man is a man in and thankfully because were talking about testosterone levels off air. Thankfully, women are women. And you know , women are women. And you know, and thats always been the case. This whole reductive way of speaking about womens rights, womens issues , as if they boil womens issues, as if they boil down to who who isnt allowed in a toilet cubicle is where were going wrong. We need to talk about womens issues , medical about womens issues, medical misogyny , unaffordable childcare misogyny, unaffordable childcare , a failure to tackle violence , a failure to tackle violence, get women and girls. But if you cant define a woman focusing, if you cant define nonsense issue that affects not point nought 5. No, no, no , no. The nought 5. No, no, no, no. The Trans Community is 0. 5 of the population. But what about population. But what about women . So why are we focusing and harassing this community then . The right . And harassing this community then . The right . Why not the then . The right . Why not the right . Our children are being taught Trans Community are not at odds with womens rights. They never have because the debate been compromised. Debate has been compromised. Debate has gone because the debate has gone ridiculous, frankly. Yeah our children are children are being. Theyre being taught at school that if they wish to identify as another sex, they can theyre being taught that there are 72 genders. They are not being taught that that is precisely what theyre also being taught that 72 genders thing actually came from. It was all the different ways, different cultures describe third sex, non binary genden describe third sex, non binary gender. That was just a list. So gender. That was just a list. So you have two spirit, third genden you have two spirit, third gender, whatever. Was just it gender, whatever. It was just it was never 72 genders and its been completely misrepresented across the board and its incredibly frustrating to see. Since 2010, weve had the equalities act brought in to just give trans people the dignity and respect they deserve. Weve had no problems. We havent had an upsurge in to say that these womens spaces Kemi Badenoch is working on making sure that biological sex actually matters. So shes making sure because at time was written , we at the time it was written, we didnt this division at the didnt have this division at the time it was written. Sorry, we didnt we hadnt separated biology reality. So now biology from reality. So now things kemi things have changed. Kemi badenoch is working on actually making sure that biological sex is what is actually what actually matters, not the sex that you are to get a big that you are going to get a big shock when all trans men shock when all the trans men come the womens loos because come in the womens loos because thats for ulti m ately. B ut ulti m ately. But they ultimately. But they shouldnt be allowed women women, though, theyre the women, though, theyre women. Why women. The biological women. Why would about that . Would i be shocked about that . In. Yeah. Sorry oh, coming in. Yeah. Sorry the women. Yeah. Keeping the beds going, but sharing a bedroom the load of women. And thats not the main issue. Main issue is the issue. The main issue is the hijacking language the actual. Yeah, i think and it doesnt stop just with gender ideology. It it moves into the ethnic it also it moves into the ethnic ethnic as it moves into ethnic minority as it moves into this, you know, equality die , this, you know, equality die, you know, diversity , equality you know, diversity, equality and inclusion and our children. And i want to focus on the children. Our children are being taught a whole plethora of ridiculous ideological nonsense, such as, for example, if youre white and you dont recognise youve got a privilege, youre unconscious racist, that that just being white in itself gives you some kind of edge that you need to have taken away from you in order to level the Playing Field. Critical race theory. Critical race theory is here. Thats whole nother thats a whole nother discussion. Its part of discussion. No, but its part of the same ideology plethora that they are promoting in schools. They are promoting in schools. And the other thing that our children are being taught is that effectively being a living organism carbon, organism and producing carbon, we our very existence is we are our very existence is a threat to the planet. And were soon going to be measuring our own Carbon Emissions as individuals. Our children are individuals. Our children are being brought up not to have self confidence. That is deeply damaging a society and we are damaging to a society and we are hollowing out the United Kingdom because we cant get our language straight. We need to start calling women, men start calling women, women, men , men. That makes no difference what colour you are, what creed you are, what religion you are. Its the content of your character, not the colour of your skin. Endorsing transphobia, denying racism and claiming we live in a post racial society. If you want to identify in which trans people dont exist just because thats what youve just because thats what youve just posited, i think. I think youve paraphrased that negative that and quite a negative manner, i think youve manner, and i think youve actually made that. That doesnt sound what he saying to sound like what he was saying to me. Thats what youve me. So if thats what youve interpreted hes interpreted from what hes saying, find quite interesting. I you could identify yourself as would. And i would as john and i would. And i would call you john and i would treat you ultimate respect it you with ultimate respect and it would make difference to me would make no difference to me in workplace that but in the workplace that way. But i would recognise you to be would not recognise you to be a man and whos that helping . People ive been around people who have routinely misgender id have been routinely misgender id and seen the damage it can and ive seen the damage it can do you. That is what do you. And that is what contributes to this horrendous self esteem. Self esteem. Amy, you self esteem. Amy, you said youve been misgendered. What . No ive been around people who been around people who have been misgendered somebodys misgendered so somebodys pointed out a reality so broken the illusion. Pointed out a reality so broken the can sion. Pointed out a reality so broken the can you not see what did it can you not see what did it cause the reality is that it harms people. The reality is that theyre not the gender that they say they are. You could do your best. You could do your best. We are a compassionate and respectful society. We are civilised people. If i routinely called you man all the time, called you a man all the time, how would that make you feel . How would that make you feel . Youd say, not a man. Youd say, hes not a man. But im not a man. But im not a man. Amy exactly. As three gender conforming people , its so conforming people, its so simple here and simple for us to sit here and say this will and make say how this will and wont make you but i can assure you, you feel, but i can assure you, if you were routinely misgender id, not have you would id, it would not have you would not good impact on your not have a good impact on your self esteem, which you are apparently so about. Apparently so concerned about. Basically, order to amy basically, in order to keep people happy, we need keep those people happy, we need to lie. I cant understand why, including people not including so worrying , is changing the so worrying, is changing the language. Changing language. Language. Talkingnging language. Language. Talking about language. Language. Talking about somethingje. Youre talking about something else. Were going move else. Listen were going to move on were not going to on because were not going to get anywhere. Too much get anywhere. We take too much time this. Its an time with this. Its an important though, because important thing, though, because im whether trust im asking whether you trust laboun im asking whether you trust labour. There are labour. There are so there are such plethora of issues facing such a plethora of issues facing women and the inclusion of trans people within conversation people within the conversation is not a concern really. Is not a concern really. Perhaps its the broader ideology , ethical implication. Ideology, ethical implication. I want a real world example of when its actually impacted you, because i dont believe there is one. Stop it. Stop it right there. Were going to move on because i think its important that we do because weve got loads more to discuss. I dont think were going to get any agreement between those two or with me on that but the government is that one. But the government is actually to radical actually planning to a radical overhaul regimes overhaul on sicknote regimes in this autumn the this country. The autumn in the autumn, a lot of people do get sick. So official data shows that workers take an average of 7. 8 a year in terms of 7. 8 days off a year in terms of illness, work and pensions Secretary Health secretary mel stride and Health SecretarySteve Barclay are working for a treat working on plans for a treat them first approach. The new plans could remove gps as the first port of call for those seeking approval for being signed from work. So are the signed off from work. So are the tories call for an end tories right to call for an end to sick note culture . Ben to the sick note culture . Ben habib theyre absolutely right to end to the sick note culture. There are over 2 Million People out of the workplace completely claiming to have Mental Health issues and that is obviously a Record Number for. And we need to understand why it is they claim to have Mental Health issues. And if they havent got Mental Health issues, they need to get back into work or they need to have their benefits reclassified. But their benefits reclassified. But what worries me about the statement that the governments made is that it intends to do this and so much about what the government says is about intention rather than why havent they just done it . Why havent they just done it . Why havent they just got up in the morning, passed whatever statutory instrument they need to order to get this to pass in order to get this done. Its like everything else, you we know its you know, we all know its a problem. We all recognise its anissue problem. We all recognise its an issue the government recognises, we recognise an recognises, we recognise its an issue. So they address in the issue. So they address it in the future but they never future tense. But they never action well , lets see what action it well, lets see what m53 action it well, lets see what ms3 do. Do we all know its a problem . Do we all recognise its a problem . No, i think its a sick no. No, i think its a sick note. Culture has always wheeled out by rather ironically, lazy governments to place blame on people for why theyre not in work and falsely equating ill ness with unfitness to work. So ness with unfitness to work. So really, if we want to solve this, lets look at why people arent in work and look at the social problems. Maybe it could be because theres no Flexible Working offered. Maybe its because they are under a lot of stress. You cannot underestimate what stress does to a person. So governments really could try and deal with the problems of why people are off work and offer Solutions Rather than something punitive, which has actually been tried and tested. I think gordon brown had this fit to work rather than sick note and all it did was push people into inappropriate, insecure working environments which actually did them more harm than good in the end. And people suffered so lets look at the reasons why people arent in work. Theres a lot of people off work and a lot of them its not because theyre lazy. Its not because weve got this nation of the malingerer. This nation of the malingerer. Brits actually our employment record in comparison to our european neighbours, we have more people in employment. Its more people in employment. Its more people in employment. Its more a case that there are circumstances preventing people from working. And we need to from working. And we need to look at those rather than just signing people off as well. I lazy i do agree with you that interesting by the way that you said weve got more people in work than the European Union has. And youre absolutely right. They have much higher levels of youth unemployment, particularly, which i think is very dangerous for a country to have high youth unemployment. But have staggering levels but we do have staggering levels of people on benefits. And i think the tax system really needs to be looked at very carefully. We also have Staggering Number of people on waiting lists. We also have a staggering ageing population. We also have a staggering ageing could ation. We also have a staggering ageing could gom. We also have a staggering ageing could go on. We could go on. We could go on. Are so many reasons why there are so many reasons why people arent working. Lots of lists, lots weve got lots of lists, lots of you been getting in touch. Lets some of your views on lets read some of your views on with regard Angela Rayner. With regard to Angela Rayner. Richard Angela Rayner richard says Angela Rayner speeches an speeches always have an undercurrent of venom towards hard people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth. People undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth. Never people undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth. Never forget eople undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth. Never forget how. E undercurrent of venom towards hardwealth. Never forget how she and wealth. Never forget how she described the tories. Leopards described the tories. Leopards do not change their spots as she described them as scum, didnt she . Says tories she . Michael says tories virtually indistinguishable. She . Michael says tories virtually indistinguishable. All virtually indistinguishable. All greens dont ever greens and liberals dont ever register in my consciousness reform. For me, one for reform. For me, thats one for you, ben, and then on the on rayner speech, if labour make misogyny would misogyny a hate crime, would they androgyny a hate they make androgyny a hate crime . Feminists today can crime . Some feminists today can be androgynous. Emily be extremely androgynous. Emily says reform is the way ahead again. Another one for you. Crikey, ben and then andrew also says with regard labour, says with regard to labour, labour means more ulez net labour means means more ulez net zero and undoing of brexit and throwing more at france to throwing more money at france to stop boats. Well, lets keep stop the boats. Well, lets keep your thoughts coming. Thank you so much to amy, Nicole Turner your thoughts coming. Thank you so nben to amy, Nicole Turner your thoughts coming. Thank you so nben habib. R, Nicole Turner your thoughts coming. Thank you so nben habib. Theyll turner your thoughts coming. Thank you so nben habib. Theyll belrner your thoughts coming. Thank you so nben habib. Theyll be with and ben habib. Theyll be with me for the next hour. Youre with me akua. This is gb with me on nana akua. This is gb news the way. Labour are in its 4 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. Were live on tv onune nana akua. Were live on tv online and Digital Radio for the next two hours. Me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. This show is all about its mine, its about opinion. Its mine, its theirs. And of course, its yours. Be debating, yours. Well be debating, discussing, we will discussing, and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. So joining me today cancelled. So joining me today is author is broadcaster and author christine and also Christine Hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. Before we get started, lets get your latest news headunes lets get your latest News Headlines with ray addison. Headlines with ray addison. Thanks, nana. Good afternoon. Its 4 00. Our top story this hour, its 4 00. Our top story this hour , a 20 year old british man hour, a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants and thats been confirmed by his family. Nathaniel young was serving with the Israeli Defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. He was a student at jfs Jewish School in north london and had recently been living in central israel. Been living in central israel. Well, israels Prime Minister says they will turn anywhere Hamas Terrorists are hiding into an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas. Now. People of gaza to leave those areas. Now. Now, people of gaza to leave those areas. Now. Now, those of you areas. Now. Now, those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza where smoke, the result of rocket blasts has been seen drifting across the skyline as buildings are targeted. Benjamin netanyahu , who vowed to take mighty vengeance after more than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterdays surprise attack. More than 313 palestinians have also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. The Israeli Military say theyre still fighting hamas in eight areas near gaza. Hamas eight areas near gaza. Hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places. Held in secure places. Begum what happened today has never been seen in israel and i will make sure that it does not happen again. The entire government is behind this decision. The idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamass capabilities. We will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on the state of israel and citizens. And its citizens. While speaking to gb news, Israels Deputy ambassador to the uk Oren Marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks. She has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her hair body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorists shove her into a car. And the terrorists shove her into a car. And her and the terrorists shove her into a car. And her eyes, into a car. And her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what they are going to do to me. What kind of people commit these atrocities to other people , to atrocities to other people, to children . This police in london children . This police in london are stepping up reassurance patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel. The violence in israel. More videos have emerged, appearing to show people in various parts of the city some holding flags while clapping and cheering. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick described those celebrating as disgusting and said there is no place for anyone who glorifies the terrorist activities of hamas. The met police says the situation in israel may lead to protests over the coming days. A protests over the coming days. A protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour Conference Event this morning. He was event this morning. He was quickly removed from the stage before Angela Rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. Labours deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory rule has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. But the tories also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. Thats why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. You cannot level up from the top down. The tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them. Staying where it benefits them. Staying with labour and the party says it would use Counter Terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous, violent offenders in england and wales. Its part of labours mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade. Shadow home next decade. Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper says officers would be told to relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk. And who pose the greatest risk. And finally, the north of scotland is at risk of severe flooding after torrential rainfall yesterday and through the night. The met office has issued a warning of danger to life. While warning of danger to life. While landslides have blocked roads in the west of the country, at least ten people were rescued from their cars by helicopter while many Train Services remain suspended. Meanwhile, in the suspended. Meanwhile, in the south, conditions are dry, with temperatures reaching 25 degrees in some areas. As this is gb in some areas. As this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now lets return to nana. As five minutes after to nana. As five minutes after 4 00. This is a gb news on tv, onune this is a gb news on tv, online and on Digital Radio. Im nana akua. Now before we go any nana akua. Now before we go any further, party season is in full swing. The lib dems kicking swing. The lib dems kicking things off in bournemouth a few weeks ago, followed by the conservatives last the conservatives last week, the greens on friday and reform yesterday and its now the turn of labour. Perhaps their most important conference important Party Conference in a generation. Its in liverpool. Generation. Its in liverpool. So joining me now to give us an update on whats on the agenda for next couple days and for the next couple of days and the mood of the conference, is the mood of the conference, is the gb news Political EditorChristopher ChristopherChristopher Hope. Christopher hope, now hope, it seems a bit busier now. Have you managed to get to. So have you managed to get to speak anybody . And what are speak to anybody . And what are people whats whats the people saying . Whats whats the mood like there . Yeah hi, nana. Yeah, it certainly feels to me that theres a different labour party here in liverpool to Previous Years. Cardigans to Previous Years. The cardigans of Jeremy Corbyns time in office in office, i should say. Tom the party have been replaced by sharp suits because i think theres a feeling here of the party if that poll leads still holds 1720 points ahead of the tory party, this party should be in office at some point later next year , the general election. Next year, the general election. Thats certainly the feeling im getting here. Looking at the hall there, i went to see angela raynen hall there, i went to see Angela Rayner, the deputy leader, speak earlier. Talked there about earlier. She talked there about the fact that she said how rishi sunak has taken a sledgehammer to the foundations of british life, that she would bring back decent jobs, affordable, Affordable Housing and a Strong Community if labour win the next election. And thats the feeling here of a party on the up. Theres i think that theres nerves too. I think that that poll lead is one that many would say has not been fully earned by the labour party. In a sense, snp and the tories sense, the snp and the tories have surrendered their lead because of behaviour in because of their behaviour in office. Its like a kind ming office. Its like a kind of ming vase party is carrying vase that the party is carrying around. Darent it, around. They darent drop it, therefore they dont say too much. That will frighten people. So youve heard a language already recent they already in recent weeks they wont increase income tax Rachel Reeves tomorrow is not expected to announce major tax rises to pay to announce major tax rises to pay for things theyre going to borrow when they afford to borrow when they can afford to borrow when they can afford to borrow then forget this borrow and then forget this non dom tax, that tax benefit for very rich people in this country that should pay for some parts of their policies. The other is removing the vat other part is removing the vat free of private schools. Free status of private schools. Othennise, were not really clear on how labour might pay for it. For it. Thats often the way with these things. They cant possibly raise taxes anymore because were already taxed to the hilt, so thats not going to go down well. So who are the speakers today . Is anybody going to today and if so, to be talking today and if so, have got of what they have we got a sniff of what they might be saying . I say, Angela Rayner is the main person. She said earlier how she she wanted people to be able back control of the able to take back control of the planning. Now you and i planning system. Now you and i might remember that term as being phrase the being the catch phrase on the side during the side of the bus during the brexit referendum in 2016. The idea being im seeing it more and more for labour. They are starting to adopt some of the language of that brexit vote. The leave campaign and readopt it for their own it redefine it for their own terms. Quite clever terms. Thats quite clever politics because its an idea of giving people back control over their their livelihoods and where theyre living, their community parties. And thats the language theyre adopting. Quite we quite clever. I think. Also we heard that they would boost the minimum no surprise there minimum wage. No surprise there because year that minimum minimum wage. No surprise there becal does year that minimum minimum wage. No surprise there becaldoes go year that minimum minimum wage. No surprise there becaldoes go lip,ii that minimum minimum wage. No surprise there becaldoes go up, even minimum minimum wage. No surprise there becal does go up, even undernum minimum wage. No surprise there becal does go up, even under the wage does go up, even under the tory government theres also tory government. Theres also earlier from keir starmer plans to one, build 1. 5 million to build one, build 1. 5 million new homes over the first five years of a Labour Government. Years of a Labour Government. About a third up on what the tories their current tories would do at their current rates. You seeing gentle, rates. So you are seeing gentle, incremental change here, but not much more than that from from this labour which as i this labour party which as i say, does feel like here theres a feeling of optimism, but there always at these always is at these Party Conferences. Appreciate conferences. I do appreciate that a bubble for that it can be a bubble for people covering the news here, but feel like theres but it does feel like theres a feeling of that the party is on the towards towards running the way towards towards running the way towards towards running the country again after a 13 year break. Interesting. Dont think interesting. I dont think she mentioned rwanda, she . Interesting. I dont think she mersaided rwanda, she . Interesting. I dont think she mersaid thatvanda, she . Interesting. I dont think she mersaid that they], she . Interesting. I dont think she mersaid that they would he . Theyve said that they would even working, theyd even if it was working, theyd get rid of it. Just very briefly. Sorry. No, weve heard that weve weve that from weve heard that from keir starmer morning, that starmer this morning, that elsewhere his morning elsewhere on his morning broadcast round that would broadcast round that he would actually reverse the rwanda plan if it were if it were made legal by the Supreme Court. Of course, the first hearing is on on monday, and were going to hear back from judges down in back from the judges down in london november. If london later in november. If they rule, its okay. Wed think that the first flights to rwanda are to process and to deal with people who arrive here illegally over the southern border of england will not take place until easter. And that until easter. And if that happens, would start to do . Happens, what would start to do . Well, the tories are licking their lips, but they can see said already that they would reverse plan and instead of reverse that plan and instead of relying on talking further with reverse that plan and instead of relyi|other talking further with reverse that plan and instead of relyi|other lawing further with reverse that plan and instead of relyi|other Law Enforcementith with other Law Enforcement agencies on Continental Europe to crack down further that way. But whether that works, well wait see. But whether that works, well wai christopher , thank you very christopher, thank you very much. Thats Christopher Hope. Hes a gb news Political Editor. Hes a gb news Political Editor. He labour party he is at the labour Party Conference. Im conference. Youre with me. Im nana this is news nana akua. This is gb news on tv, online on Digital Radio. Tv, online and on Digital Radio. Now, every now and again i meet an ardent remainer, you know, the kind who looked down on brexiteers like me. You know, the ones who sarcastically called everyone who voted to leave racist, even though had leave racist, even though we had good like for example, good reason. Like for example, the down wages by the driving down of wages by cheaper workers because cheaper eu workers because sterling was valued so much higher. Sterling was valued so much higher. Large companies who exacerbated this, they were drunk on cheap labour. There were the people who were fortunate and rich enough to own Properties Within eu countries or those wealthy enough to travel there regularly. Upset travel there regularly. Upset about the extra red tape and queues at immigration. Oh dear, my heart bleeds. But even worse, my heart bleeds. But even worse, i couldnt contend with countless members of the Eu Parliament on six figures salaries out on jollies every month in brussels. I didnt see why i, as a british taxpayer, should have to contribute. I saw the whole thing as a huge monolith , wasteful, stubborn and monolith, wasteful, stubborn and slow, and it turns out i was right. The eu have been wasting billions over the years. Misspending the money on its of its contributors on defunct projects. And that is according to its own financial watchdog. Their own auditors. The European Court of auditors identified numerous projects where money had been allocated that frankly should never have been given , should never have been given, like, for example, an italian farmer who received money to maintain an orchard of lemon trees. But he hadnt been farming for years, or a chemical factory in poland claiming over the a grant for a pilot the odds for a grant for a pilot for friendly chemicals. For eco friendly chemicals. Breaking eu rules. And these are just a few that have been identified. How many more are receiving subsidies or grants unnecessarily . And it transpires in 2022 of the ,196 billion spent 4. 3. So over 8 billion was spent 4. 3. So over 8 billion was spent on dodgy projects. That was up 1. 3 from the Previous Year , an eye watering amount to year, an eye watering amount to misapplied cypriot. The auditors found errors in 11 out of 13 post pandemic grants and numerous cases of fraud. Money numerous cases of fraud. Money was also wasted on eu funded projects outside the zone. Frank projects outside the zone. Frank ferretti, the executive director of the mcc brussels think tank , of the mcc brussels think tank, said if auditors wrote such a report about a business, its chief executive and directors would be expected to resign. Even bank of england governor Andrew Bailey has admitted that brexit has created opportunities despite the short term negative opportunities. And i keep heanng opportunities. And i keep hearing reports that most people who voted to leave wish they hadnt. But i havent actually met anyone whos changed their mind. This is just an attempt to mind. This is just an attempt to make people uncertain make people feel uncertain of their decision. Brexit, in my their decision. Brexit, in my view, is a blessing. We need to seize day and thank god seize the day and thank god we left. Ra right. So before we get left. Ra right. So before we get stuck into the debate, heres what else is coming up today for the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour. Im asking are labour ready for power . And would the labour party outlining their policies couple of policies over the next couple of days their conference . Essex days at their conference . Essex starmers to Starmers Party ready to actually take the reins, then at 450, take the reins like Angela Rayner rains that sounds oh dear dean rayner rains that sounds oh dear dear, no no no. Rain doesnt. Oh dean dear, no no no. Rain doesnt. Oh dear. No lets stop there then. At 450 its worldview with the escalating crisis in israel after the devastating surprise attack mond, attack from hamas, gary mond, chairman the National Jewish chairman of the National Jewish assembly, be joining me to assembly, will be joining me to discuss. Plus, well the discuss. Plus, well get the latest from across the pond with paul duddridge, host the paul duddridge, host of the politics podcast. Politics people podcast. Will donald surprise bid donald trump make a surprise bid for of the house . And at for speaker of the house . And at five, its this weeks outside now mystery guest certainly now a mystery guest certainly knows make impression knows how to make an impression. Even knows how to make an impression. Even in 1981, he made his tv debut. But it wasnt until 1983 when he made his Television Breakthrough with live from her majestys, but who could it possibly be . I hear a big cycling christine. I think shes worked it out. Thats coming up in the next hour. Tell me what you on everything were you think on everything were discussing. Email gbviews gbnews. Com me gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb gbviews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. Im not going to tell. Right lets get started. Welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, bbc broadcaster and author christie hamilton. Oh, right. Right. Have you noticed nana that yet again . Yes. Danny has ignored the colour memo. I know weve done it again and you have ignored it. A bevvy of abrasive beauties, a bevvy of beauties. A bevvy of beauties. But you two are like you two are like the italian lemon farmer who didnt have any lemons. But for the Radio Audience , but for the Radio Audience, theyre looking beautiful in summer yellow. And its like a summers day outside. Its ive driven 96 miles to get here. Oh i wondered how long it take. Ive had my it would take. Ive had my sunglasses all the way. Sunglasses on all the way. Beautiful. Ive come a hundred miles train. Have you really . Yes. So there you are. Yes. So there you are. Competition on the train anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Danny anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Danny kelly. Yeah. All right. Danny kelly. I havent anybody whos havent met anybody whos changed their mind brexit, changed their mind about brexit, have changed their mind about brexit, hav no, i dont think i have. No, i dont think i have. There ardent remainers out there are ardent remainers out there, theres that there, and theres still that sniping. Accidentally sniping. If you accidentally tune stations tune into certain radio stations at certain times the morning, at certain times of the morning, youll hear this bullying, sniping and all of these dog whistles and all of these subtle hints that everyone who voted for brexit is racist. The one thing that really annoyed me at the there was this the time, there was this horrible line not everyone who voted brexit is a racist, but all the racists voted for brexit. I mean, thats just obvious nonsense. There are so many reasons that people voted to so many reasons to remain and so many reasons that people voted for brexit. I know this guy. Hes not a friend, but hes a business associate who is one of most associate who is one of the most racist individuals youll ever meet. But voted remain meet. But he voted remain because hes involved with importing stuff italy, one importing stuff from italy, one of racist individuals. Of the most racist individuals. So just complete garbage. So its just complete garbage. And people voted brexit for a number of reasons and people voted remain a number of voted remain for a number of reasons. Havent single reasons. I havent met a Single Person its not on the person and its not on the agenda its only on the agenda for its only on the agenda for its only on the agenda at certain times of the day. Stations day. On certain radio stations or certain tv shows. They have a pathologic hatred towards brexit. Theyre pathological. Its i have met people whove changed their minds, but theyve changed their minds, but theyve changed their minds from remain to brexit. Ive met people coming the other way, but youre absolutely most people absolutely right. Most people have about it and have just forgotten about it and theyre on. Why have we theyre getting on. Why have we forgotten the forgotten about it . Because the government nothing forgotten about it . Because the goverr it. Ant nothing forgotten about it . Because the goverrit. We nothing forgotten about it . Because the goverrit. We havent nothing forgotten about it . Because the goverrit. We havent achieved about it. We havent achieved brexit. Weve got it on brexit. Yes weve got it on paper , but thats all. What paper, but thats all. What annoyed me at the time. It was the sort of metropolitan elite with the noses in the air who thought that it didnt really matter what the Little People thought. And they were so astonished when the vote came through as it did, they confidently thought that they were going to win these remainers suddenly remainers and they suddenly realised actually no realised that actually no ordinary people, people in working class areas and people who have none the privileges who have none of the privileges that they have, you know, they dont have second they dont have second homes, they dont have second homes, they dont swimming pools , they dont have swimming pools, they dont have swimming pools, they dont they dont dont have yachts. They dont have that. Have have any of that. Dont have huge great pensions. They huge great fat pensions. They suddenly around suddenly turned around and said, no, enough. Want to no, weve had enough. We want to govern ourselves. But were seeing that obviously the seeing now that obviously the European Union, which always European Union, which i always thought was there will be elements corruption within it. There has to be. Were finding lots the finding that lots of the projects now, lot of the money projects now, a lot of the money thats been some of its been misappropriated and these are only own auditors only the ones their own auditors have this is what have gone in. And this is what was the telegraph was reported in the telegraph today and found a lot of billions i 8 billion, a lot a lot money. Its a lot of money. And ukraine trying to get into the European Union. There was a report last week was a report out last week saying ukraine is of saying that ukraine is one of the most countries on the most corrupt countries on planet earth. And theyre wondering all of these billions of been of pounds that have been chucked at ukraine and theyre the missiles, the war, the armaments. Know where they armaments. We know where they are can be audited are because they can be audited and flying and theyre currently flying oven and theyre currently flying over. Been questions there have been questions about yeah exactly. About that. Yeah exactly. Ben talking about well, ben was talking about it wasnt he . It just earlier, wasnt he . Anyone in and the anyone who tuned in and the previous hour, he was saying exactly knows where exactly that. Who knows where all is going and all this money is going and a lot of moneys been we know lot of the moneys been we know for fact zelenskyy fire for a fact zelenskyy did fire a load people who seem to be load of people who seem to be buying porsches and all sorts of things. May i also just say what a great level brexit has been . Great level of brexit has been . Because of a sudden youve because all of a sudden youve got from parts got people from different parts of coming to the of the world coming to the United Kingdom on merit. Now United Kingdom on merit. And now i benefited with i have actually benefited with my away from my business away from broadcasting leamington broadcasting in royal leamington spa. Benefited because spa. I have benefited because there lot of indians there have been a lot of indians coming there working at coming in there working at companies ive Companies Like siemens, and ive started following started a real loyal following where are recommending me where people are recommending me as a used dealer and as a as a used car dealer and i am benefiting from indians coming in with their young families cleaning up. Families and im cleaning up. Its and its families and im cleaning up. It great and its families and im cleaning up. It great leveller and its families and im cleaning up. It great leveller because, i its families and im cleaning up. It great leveller because, you; a great leveller because, you know, if youre from europe, you have unfettered access to the great whereas a Great Britain, whereas all of a sudden you be unskilled sudden you could be unskilled and be tossing around at and you can be tossing around at the bottom of town in leamington spa, boozed a spa, getting boozed up, not a penny name and milking penny to your name and milking the of sudden the system. All of a sudden youre having qualified, youre having highly qualified, highly individuals highly intelligent individuals with its with families coming in. Its a leveller. I think so. From other countries and from other countries outside european outside the European Union, which actually which is great. So actually whats weve whats happened is weve actually with more actually ended up with more immigration from countries outside than outside the eu rather than unvetted immigration from within. We within. It but unfortunately we havent really used the rules properly and weve taken too many from outside the many people in from outside the eu with our own immigration system. Done system. So we havent done a proper points based, proper and we actually do better we could actually do better than that. We could do better. Well, i think two of the big reasons why the eu is so furious with this is, first of all, because they fear landslide, because they fear a landslide, because they fear a landslide, because now done brexit. Because weve now done brexit. Well and cant well get brexit and i cant think the others think. Think what all the others think. Oh do. They think that others, oh i do. They think that others, which is why theyre trying to make so difficult us so make it so difficult for us so that countries think, that other countries think, oops, we try theyre oops, if we try that theyre going also we were going to be. And also we were providing an enormous providing such an enormous amount is amount of the money that is being wasted. Was the being wasted. That was the point. Lost a massive, point. Theyve lost a massive, massive contributor. We were i just finally say then just finally say finally then i think ship has sailed about think that ship has sailed about them trying to it difficult them trying to make it difficult for because i think weve for us because i think weve i think through that. Think weve come through that. I think other people and i think other people looking that weve looking in can see that weve come that and we are come through that and we are Great Britain and we are a success. Well i hope youre right. Course were right. Okay. 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And im asking, are labour ready for power . I mean, would you trust control of trust them to take control of our labour are in our country . Labour are in liverpool week as kick liverpool this week as they kick off their Party Conference and leader sir keir starmer is grappling with convert on grappling with how to convert on a commanding poll lead and how to that power to convert that into power before next general before the next general election. Now labour has said their standards quite high, including misogyny a hate including making misogyny a hate crime. Crime. The next Labour Government will amend the equalities to act introduce a legal duty for employers to take all reasonable steps to stop Sexual Harassment before it starts. But thats not all. We will make misogyny a hate crime. Hate crime. Theyve pledged to take on tech titans who, in their view, are helping create toxic attitudes towards women. And attitudes towards women. And they also plan to reverse the governments rwanda migrants plan , even if the Supreme Court plan, even if the Supreme Court rules it as legal and it results in the fallout of the fall in small boat crossings. But do you believe them . I mean, that is the big question. And lets not forget the numerous proposed policy u turns, including a £28 billion annual investment in green which scrapped green energy, which was scrapped because was excuse me, because it was excuse me, because it was excuse me, because it was feared it could destabilise i mean, destabilise the markets. I mean, are too naive . For the are they too naive . So for the Great British debate this hour, im asking, are labour ready for power . Joining now, ben power . So joining me now, ben habib, of reform habib, deputy leader of reform uk. Nicholl, social uk. Amy nicholl, social commentator Peter Edwards, former editor of the labourlist. Edwina former edwina currie. Shes a former conservative minister. Right. So im going to start with well, you do fairness. Is it just where are the others . All right. Well, im going to start with you, amy. Nick turner. Thing that interests me the thing that interests me about the clip you showed is about the clip you showed is about angela talking about Angela Rayner talking about Angela Rayner talking about hate about making misogyny a hate crime. Now this this is something thats been trialled and proven to work. So 2016 in and proven to work. So 2016 in nottingham, sure, they , they nottingham, sure, they, they trialled it and they saw a 25 increase in reporting at the time it was belittled as old criminalised, crying wolf whistling. How could this ever work . But it did work and it was rolled out through ten Different Police forces in in nottinghamshire. So this is nottinghamshire. So this is something that i personally have been following for a while because ive seen how it can work and how it can improve lives of women. So i think this was a bit of a solid policy, but it is get behind, but its sort of already a hate crime. I mean, if someones misogynistic in in a certain way, you can report their behaviour to the police and that will be seen as hate and that will be seen as a hate crime. I have say, didnt i have to say, i didnt understand rayners point understand Angela Rayners point that she going to shut down that she was going to shut down sexual discrimination before it became workplace. Became a thing in the workplace. I that . You i mean, how do you do that . You have to identify the problem. No, i mean, labour absolutely is not power. Labour not ready for power. Labour doesnt it believes doesnt know what it believes in. Who takes in. You have a leader who takes the to black lives matter, the knee to black lives matter, which is, you know, completely Political Movement against white people. As far as i can see. You have a who cant, as we have a leader who cant, as we discussed in the previous segment, identify woman segment, identify what a woman is. Wont he wont diverge is. He wont he wont diverge from the eu, so he wont take advantage of the brexit advantage of any of the brexit freedoms weve got. He will practise Wealth Redistribution to the point of the distrust action of the british economy , action of the british economy, which is already in a very bad place. Remember when tony blair came to power, he inherited a really Strong Economy and he handed over a broken one. Theyre inheriting a very weak economy. They will absolutely destroy it. Destroy it. I think this is so funny. I think this is so funny. Theyre net zero. The labour party taking money from dale, vince and other people like that. They will destroy this countrys economy. Theyll destroy our culture. They wont do anything with brexit. Theyre not fit for power. Sorry, amy. What about you . What about you . Speak as if, those speak as if, though those things havent already been destroyed. Look at the state of destroyed. Look at the state of the economy. Look at the state of the economy. When the tories inherited it and look at it now. Well, didnt they inherit it with a little note saying that theres money left in there . Theres no money left in there . Lets talk sabina curry. Lets talk to sabina curry. Edwina. What do you edwina. Edwina. So what do you think . Are your thoughts on think . What are your thoughts on this . Are labour ready for power . I dont think they are. No, i dont think they are. I dont they even ready for dont think they even ready for power their heads. I think. Power in their heads. I think. Angela let the cat out of Angela Rayner let the cat out of the saying labour is sick the bag by saying labour is sick of opposition. Yeah, can get that. All these that. And that all these wonderful bold ideas are great for manifesto. Yeah. See for the manifesto. Yeah. See that . Including the use of the union jack but practical policies for actually governing the country . Absolutely not. Weve got a load of old labour, tosh. I weve got a load of old labour, tosh. I mean, you know , doing tosh. I mean, you know, doing things like getting rid of right. To buy enhancing workers rights , getting rid of zero rights, getting rid of zero hours contracts, which are actually very popular with a lot of the people who use them. A convoluted, tiny, pathetic little peanut of doing something about the nhs , which even keir about the nhs, which even keir starmer admits is going to be voluntary. So its not going to work. And being rotten to the non doms, which says everything that you need to know about labours attitudes to internationally successful business people, if youre going to do what was the other thing, rented property. You cant end a contract with somebody thats renting from you. Thats just going to mean fewer rented properties. It just pushes up properties. It just pushes up rents and it makes things hard. In other words, what labour are doing is coming up with slogans that produce cheers from their audience in the conference, but theyre not practical policies and they wont help to make this country run well as it could be. Peter edwards are they ready for power . Are the labour party ready well theyre on their ready . Well theyre on their way. But if you talk to anyone from the leaders office, theyll tell you theyre not complacent. But keir starmer staff said its kind of staff always said its kind of three oh oh, we three phases. First, oh oh, we didnt get to hear phase one, sadly. Thats a shame. Never mind, well try and get peter back, but well return to lets return to you. I cant remember your to you. I cant remember your name now. Amy oh, you, amy. Nicole turner. Cheers are they ready . A couple of things. Edwina said so right to buy. Right to buy had decimated our Housing Stock and left us in the housing crisis that we see today. Also, the idea that Angela Rayners new deal for working people was anything less than completely inspirational and will promote growth, security is what growth, job security is what promotes growth. And ben habib saying Wealth Distribution as if its a dirty word. I just find this all something that is going to stagnate. Our productivity even further when labour do seem to have a plan that will invigorate our economy and grow it for a change, come back to edwina though. She said what a load of she she said what a load of absolute nonsense, right . Doesnt decimate our if doesnt decimate our Housing Stock it will go then destroyed by it. Wait a minute. Destroyed by it. Wait a minute. Not a single property is destroyed by it. Its bought by an aspirational family. Its bought a family or bought by a family or a purchaser who really to go purchaser who really wants to go from a renter into being from being a renter into being an owner and recognises all the hard work and the risk that has to go with that. But they want to go with that. But they want to do it. Thats what brought Margaret Thatcher such success in the recognise rising in the 1980s. Recognise rising aspiration and encouraging it and coming up with really good practical policies that would improve the lives of millions of people and thats what people voted for. What labour wants to do is sit on everybody as they used the policies in the used to. The policies in the 1960s and the 1970s were exactly like that and it very coming from liverpool and having grown up in a in a very ordinary family and having had opportunity, i recognise how important aspiration is. Its why im a tory and the whole of the labour approach to it is to flatten all that, to try and look after the worst performing. Often in society , the people who often in society, the people who have some of the hardest cases and actually if you spend all your time looking after them, youre not looking after the majority of people who really just want an opportunity to get a job, work hard, to do a good job, to work hard, to do well at school college, and well at school and college, and to well for themselves. And to do well for themselves. And thats the group labour thats the group that labour will able to understand. Thank you so much for that, edwina. Thats edwina currie. There shes a former conservative minister. Also. Thank you to Peter Edwards very short, but briefly, was there a former editor for the labourlist, amy Nicole Turner. Thank you so much. Also thank you so much. And also deputy uk, ben deputy leader reform uk, ben habib. What do you think habib. So what do you think then . Are labour ready for power . Thats the question im asking. Your views . Gb asking. What are your views . Gb views com. Youre views gb news dot com. Youre with im akua. This is with me. Im nana akua. This is gb were continuing with me. Im nana akua. This is gb greatwere continuing with me. Im nana akua. This is gb Great Britishontinuing with me. Im nana akua. This is gb Great British debateig with me. Im nana akua. This is gb Great British debate asking that Great British debate asking you that question. Do you think that ready for power . That theyre ready for power . Would take would you trust them to take control . Youll the control . Youll hear the thoughts panel broadcast thoughts of my panel broadcast from journalist danny who from journalist danny kelly, who broadcaster and author Christine Hamilton. But hamilton. All this and more. But first, lets get your latest News Headlines. News headlines. Im ray addison. Good afternoon. 432 our top story, afternoon. 432 our top story, israels Prime Minister says they will turn anywhere Hamas Terrorists are hiding into an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas. Now. Now those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza where weve seen smoke , the result of rocket seen smoke, the result of rocket blasts drifting across the skyline as buildings have been targeted. Israel says 800 hamas targets have been hit, killing hundreds of fighters with dozens more captured and more than 500 israelis were killed. And more than 1500 injured in yesterdays surprise attack. At least 313 palestinian has also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed formed the border. Border. Begum what happened today has never been seen in israel. And i will make sure that it does not happen again. The entire government is behind this decision in the idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamas capable cities. We will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this black day that they have forced on state of israel and its on the state of israel and its citizens. Citizens. Well, a 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in in an attack by hamas militants. Thats been confirmed by his family. Nathaniel young was serving with the Israeli Defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. He was border yesterday. He was a student at jfs Jewish School in north london and had recently been living in central israel. Been living in central israel. Police in london are stepping up reassurance patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel. Videos have emerged , appearing to show emerged, appearing to show people in various parts of the city some holding flags while clapping and cheering. The met police says the situation in israel may lead to protests over the coming days. Israel may lead to protests over the coming days. Well, the coming days. Well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour Conference Event this morning. He was quickly removed from the stage before Angela Rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. Labours deputy leader event. Labours deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory government has never been so unified , so never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. But the tories is also have one singular focus to desperately cling on to power. Thats why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. You cannot level up from the top down. The tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them. Wealth where it benefits them. You can get more on all of those stories on our website , those stories on our website, gb news. Com. Those stories on our website, gbnews. Com. Now lets get back to nana. Thank. To nana. Thank. You, ray, youre with me. Im nana. This is gb news on tv, online and on Digital Radio. Coming up, the escalating crisis in israel as fighting continues between the Israeli Military and palestinian militants. Gary mullen, chairman of the National Jewish assembly, will have the latest. Its time latest. But up next, its time for Great British debate. For the Great British debate. This hour, im asking, are labour ready power sunday mornings from 930 on. Gb news. So welcome back. If youre just tuned in, where have you been . This is gb news coming up to 40 minutes after 4 00. Im nana akua here now. Before the break, i was asking our labour ready for power. And who would you to take control of our you trust to take control of our country . Of you country . Well, lots of you whove getting in touch, whove been getting in touch, richard benefits should richard says benefits should only stopgap up to only ever be a stopgap up to work never a lifestyle. Work and never a lifestyle. Labour this labour will enable this lifestyle even more and bankrupt the purse once again , the public purse once again, phil says about brexit, were talking about brexit earlier. Far from thinking, brexit has been a good thing, i have to say, me and my family, its say, for me and my family, its been dreadful. We voted brexit, but really regret it. I found some who actually arent some people who actually arent happy it, says. Do happy with it, ruth says. Do people have such short memories that remember that it that they cant remember that it was our country which rolled out the covid vaccines . If we the first covid vaccines . If we had in the eu , many, had still been in the eu, many, many more people would have died. So we go. Keep your. So there we go. Keep your topics coming in, your emails coming in. Ill do a quick one here from barry. Says, when here from barry. He says, when we regard reform, we with regard to reform, he says, we have elections, says, when we have elections, why we also have why dont we also have referendum the policy that we referendum on the policy that we want government follow, want the government to follow, not decide for us. Not what they decide for us. That would be good. And finally, andrew says, oh, catherine says, im for reform next time. Im voting for reform next time. Well, you. But well, yeah, i hear you. But listen, are currently in listen, labour are currently in liverpool week they liverpool this week and they kick off their party. Conference leader sir starmer is leader sir keir starmer is grappling convert grappling with how to convert a commanding poll lead into power for general election. For the next general election. So far, they seem to be losing in the polls, but they are ahead, theyve lost 13 ahead, so theyve lost 13 points. Have set their points. Labour have set their standards which include standards high, which include making crime and making misogyny a hate crime and pledging to take on tech titans who helping to create toxic who were helping to create toxic attitudes towards women. They also said reverse the also said theyd reverse the governments rwanda migrants plan even it was working so plan even if it was working so do you believe them . Do you think have strength think they have the strength that ready for power . So that theyre ready for power . So for Great British debate, for the Great British debate, this they this hour, im asking, are they ready for power . Lets see what my panel that. Im my panel make of that. Im joined broadcaster and joined by broadcaster and journalist kelly, also journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster author christine broadcaster and author Christine Hamilton. Christine hamilton, ill first. Ill come to you first. Anybody ready for power is anybody ready for power ever . Probably not really. Ever . Probably not really. Theyre definitely very hungry for power. I think fortunately, i think theyre going to win. I dont think to me, i had a brief moment of thinking maybe they wouldnt when rishi started behaving like a conservative for once. Recently but the tories have not been behaving like tories, so no wonder people are saying we might as well have the real thing, as it were, and have laboun real thing, as it were, and have labour. Their hands are going to be very, very tired. We be very, very tired. Tied. We have debt. The have this massive debt. The government, is government, the country is massively overspent. Covid added to all that. Theyre not going to all that. Theyre not going to be able, for example, to dish out Massive Public sector pay awards. That just isnt the money. And i think somebody mentioned earlier about that, it was byrne, the treasury was liam byrne, the treasury minister, who left the note in 2010 saying there is no money left. Well, theres less left. Well, theres even less money left now, so their hands are be very, very tied. Are going to be very, very tied. So whether theyre ready for it, i dont know. Theyre very untried, untested, but thats often the case, isnt it . But untried, untested, but thats often the case, isnt it . But a more important question possibly is, is the country ready for labour . And thats were going to discover when the election comes round. Danny, left a very danny, my wife left a very similar note the other week saying there is no money left in my in my little jar. My in my little jar. Joe its really curious. Nana you raised two great points from todays speeches. One is about misogyny and sex pests in the workplace and the other is about rwanda and i would say that labour have lost complete connection with the working class core voting voters and if they think that they are going to get swing voters to vote labour because labour have got a plan to eradicate misogyny and make it a hate crime, i think that they are mistaken and also so i think that the biggest error there is for them to think that the core working class voters, generally speaking , voters, generally speaking, dont want the rwanda planes to take off. I would argue that they want this illegal. They want this illegal. Immigration in this illegal migration, delay the dinghies, whatever you want to call it, stop the boats. I think that if thatis stop the boats. I think that if that is going to deter this illegal i think illegal migration, then i think labour core voters would want to actually have a policy in place that stops it. So for him to say day one, if the planes do take off day one, were going to stop them. Were going to ground them. Were going to ground them. That is error them. I think that is an error of judgement. I them. I think that is an error ofjudgement. I genuinely if ofjudgement. And i genuinely if we we if went to a pub now we if we if i went to a pub now in liverpool city centre, which is, know, socialist is, you know, the socialist socialist the and socialist capital of the uk and say listen, Angela Rayner say listen, okay. Angela rayner wants misogyny in the wants to stop misogyny in the workplace a scale of 1 workplace on a on a scale of 1 to 10, how important is that to you keir starmer is going to you and keir starmer is going to go ground the plane scale of go to ground the plane scale of 1 10. D0 go to ground the plane scale of 1 10. Do you want the planes 1 to 10. Do you want the planes to take off . Yes. Or no . I think a lot of people would say, well, actually, want control our actually, we want to control our borders, whether you voted remain or brexit. The bottom line is yes. But the bottom line is most people, they vote on the economy, they . They most people, they vote on the econo to , they . They most people, they vote on the econo to be they . They most people, they vote on the econo to be betterzy . They most people, they vote on the econo to be better off they most people, they vote on the econo to be better off or they most people, they vote on the econo to be better off or are zy going to be better off or are they not . And it seems to me that that both parties now are veering towards the centre ground. Got, the ground. Weve got, what, in the 50 butskellism 50 became known as butskellism when tory when butler was the tory chancellor gaitskell had chancellor and gaitskell had been chancellor and been the labour chancellor and was shadow chancellor, and was the shadow chancellor, and they basically they both basically had identical policies. There was almost nothing to put between them. You this sort of them. So you had this sort of mush the middle and that mush in the middle and that i think, what were going to think, is what were going to get. And i honestly think people are going to vote on how they feel, whether they feel better off think off now, whether they think the tories have their money tories have managed their money because our money better, because it is our money better, and whether labour manage and whether labour can manage it any doesnt any better and there doesnt seem to to to put seem to me to be much to put between them. I would think theyre it very difficult. But what about, what about all the reverse alls or the policies keir starmer has policies that keir starmer has come with . So the 28 billion come up with . So the 28 billion that was supposed to go into investment, into energy, which then realise it then they realise that it actually would destabilise the markets. What about the whole sort of notion of robbing peter to pay paul . So for private schools, he wants to start he wants charitable wants to stop the charitable status and them vat and status and charge them vat and business about business rates. What about the latest which about latest policy which is about getting wealthier students to pay getting wealthier students to pay students . Its pay for poorer students . Its just its a bit i mean, do just its all a bit i mean, do you think this is what there is an element of there is an element of socialism there, isnt there . You know, a large element with the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. So the bourgeoisie, the having to pay the middle class having to pay more case of school fees more in the case of school fees and students having to and wealthy students having to subsidise less wealthy students, that that is socialism. And that is that is socialism. And so is an element of so there is an element of socialism. Tony blair was so successful because he managed to balance socialism and capitalism i well, youve i think youve hit one of the nails on the hit one of the big nails on the head there, which is that tony blair had charisma. He had a vision, a personality, and he had personality. People had a personality. And people a bit the pied piper, people bit like the pied piper, people thought, go with him. Thought, yes, well go with him. Starmer does not have that. Starmer just does not have that. So governments lose so i think governments lose elections, dont they . Oppositions dont win them. Theres are to theres no way labour are to going win the election. But the tories sure as hell are going to lose it. Tony blair wouldnt wouldnt have taken the knee to black lives tony blair wouldnt. I dont know. I think he wouldnt. I dhavemow. I think he wouldnt. I dhave done. I think he wouldnt. I dhave done. Ithink he wouldnt. I dhave done. I thinkhe wouldnt. I dhave done. I think he might have done. I think he might have done. I think he might have done if he thought that it would somewhere. That it would get him somewhere. But gb news. Hes but this is gb news. Hes unflushable where . Online unflushable where . On tv, online and on Digital Radio on the way in next hour, the great in the next hour, the Great British im british debate. This hour. Im asking you to fix asking who do you trust to fix the education but next, the Education System . But next, its escalating its worldview escalating violence in israel. Ill be joined gary mond, chairman of joined by gary mond, chairman of the jewish assembly. Joined by gary mond, chairman of the duddridge,. Ssembly. Joined by gary mond, chairman of the duddridge,. Ssemofr. Joined by gary mond, chairman of the duddridge,. Ssemof the just coming up to 51 minutes after 4 00. If youve just joined me, welcome on board. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel and nana akua. And its time now for world view. And this week were focusing on the escalating crisis in israel. The Palestinian Islamic group hamas have its largest attack have launched its largest attack on israel this weekend. And as on israel this weekend. And as israeli officials reported , israeli officials reported, around 2500 rockets that have been fired from gaza, as well as sending fighters across the border. Hamas militants unexpectedly stormed into southern towns across the region on a jewish holiday and also the 50th anniversary of yom kippur in the aftermath of the attacks across the world, weve seen scenes of solidarity for israel condemning the attacks across the south of the country, except we should add, in britain, where weve weve yet to see. So see any such tribute. So joining me any such tribute. So joining me now is gary mond. Hes the chairman of the Advisory Board of the Jewish National assembly. Gary, thank you very much for coming in and talking to me about this. So a lot of people get very confused with why and what is happening so can you just briefly explain the historical sort of context of this and why and whats going on . The hamas group are essentially murderous terrorists who wish to kill as many jews as they as they possibly can. They went into israel on saturday morning simply with the objective of finding jews to kill them and unfortunately, they found a large number men, women, children , an elderly women, children, an elderly people. They murdered them in their homes. And it is not an exaggerate nafion and it is not an exaggerate nation to say that their behaviour to towards the jews in israel was similar to that of germany in the early days of the second world war, before there were gas chambers where they went to towns in eastern went in and to towns in Eastern Europe villages Eastern Europe and villages in Eastern Europe and villages in Eastern Europe massacred the jewish europe and massacred the jewish populations very populations there. Very, very similar to. It is something that has and it is something that has been condemned and needs to be condemned all over world. Condemned all over the world. What also particularly what is also particularly worrying is some views worrying is there is some views that that the palestinian population, as a whole actually does support hamas. What theyre doing, its not just the group hamas, not just the group acting hamas, notjust the group acting in isolation. Various polls are suggest that hamas has got substantial support within the palestinian population, both that living within gaza and living in judea and samaria. And samaria. Well, i cant understand why anyone one would support mass murder in this way , because murder in this way, because thats what they did. They came in and they just murdered a load of people just and there were even in this country, there have been scenes of people who are jubilant about this and that that that is a real worry. And frankly , its disgusting. Frankly, its disgusting. It is absolutely 100 right. Its completely sick. I fear that perhaps this has been developing for 20, 30, even 40 years with the way Young Palestinian children have been brought up. Theyve been brought up to hate israel. Theyve been brought up to hate jews. They have actually got militant Training Camps for three and four year olds carrying guns. Carrying guns. But this is actually something that you have witnessed or this has been this has been happening years and years. They do not want peace. They do not want peace. World has to understand the world has to understand that does not want any that hamas does not want any form of peace with israel. It wants to destroy it , wants it wants to destroy it, wants it wants to destroy it, wants it wants jews essentially to be wants all jews essentially to be thrown into the sea. It wants to get. Why . Why . Because it is it comes within its its a fundamentalist islamist doctrine in that the area belongs to them, which it certainly does not. So how must believe that the area israel belong to them . Yes. The people within it, they want to destroy so they can take over the land. So they that is that is it. You cant make peace with these people. The these people. This is the tragedy. And therefore , for my tragedy. And therefore, for my organisation, National Jewish assembly, view is that we assembly, our view is that we will whatever benjamin will support whatever Benjamin Netanyahu and his government in israel decide to do in response to the situation. But the gaza strip, which is a very, very small stretch of land, this is where theyve come from, from this strip here. But it was a very coordinated attack. They couldnt have done this all by themselves, correct . Right. You absolutely right. As you say, its strip of land its a very small strip of land andits its a very small strip of land and its been coordinated with outsiders, the principal outside body helping them body that has been helping them is and its revolutionary is iran and its revolutionary government , islamic government. Government, islamic government. And so, how do you know and if so, how do you know that they would admit it . Its not its not a question of being a secret. Its Public Knowledge that iran is supporting hamas and hezbollah in lebanon in the lebanon as well. Its absolutely case. And its absolutely the case. And theyre supporting both theyre supporting them both strategically because strategically in plans because i dont think hamas will be able to plan this all itself. Theyre also them financially also supporting them financially in a big way with arms and other other assistance. And this is this is proven i mean, its proven and admitted. Mean, its proven and admitted. Its not a question of speculation. So what is the what needs to happen then to stop all this . Because it needs to stop. We cant this cant carry on the destruction of hamas completely. And all islamist fundamentalist militant groups, terrorist groups , rather, that terrorist groups, rather, that are based in gaza and indeed in judea and samaria as well. But wont that, i mean, understand obe, i understand why you would say that. And i understand that that needs to be stopped. But wont this be like opening a can of worms and actually create more sort of cells of more destruction , people who want to destruction, people who want to destroy things . There is that risk and therefore a better solution, not a solution that could run alongside this is to ensure that young arab children who grew up in gaza are actually educated to work with israel, to work with jews, to accept that the area has got a large jewish population, just as much as well as its got an arab population, too, thats that has to be a solution that goes alongside side the military activity that im sure that the Israeli Government is planning. And what government is planning. And what about the gaza strip . What should happen to that, do you think . The same the same we should literally be they should just join it all up. Now. Stop. No, no. Now. Stop. No, no. Now. Stop. No, no. Im saying im not im not saying im not advocating that gaza should be part israel. Im part a part of israel. Im simply referring to the education of children who are growing up in gaza , that they growing up in gaza, that they need to be educated , not hate need to be educated, not to hate jews, that is what is absolutely fundamental. And also the one fundamental. And also the one thing that worries me immensely over the next week or two is were going to start Hearing International politicians, indeedin international politicians, indeed in this country, too, are going start calling for, going to start calling for, quote, both sides quote, restraint on both sides in the war thats happening. And im sorry, but the israelis israel has been attacked and the israelis need to do whatever is necessary to safeguard israeli civilians and i have every confidence and would support mr netanyahus government in doing the best it can in trying to achieve that objective. Achieve that objective. Emma pattison gary, thank you very much for coming to talk to me about this. This is a tragic situation. I want it to stop. Frankly, i dont want to see people being killed. Nobody does. Wants to see no does. Nobody wants to see no theres justification for theres no justification for it. What right. What so ever. Thats right. Gary, so much for gary, thank you so much for joining me. Really good to talk to thank you. Of course, to you. Thank you. Of course, that gary whos been that is gary mond, whos been talking about the talking to me about the situation israel. Hes the situation in in israel. Hes the chairman Advisory Board chairman of the Advisory Board of National Assembly of the Jewish National assembly. Well well, lets travel over to now and have a chat to america now and have a chat with the of the politics with the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, and out latest. But and find out the latest. But paul and find out the latest. But paul, start, though, paul, i want to start, though, with regard to what what with regard to israel. What what is the sort of whats happening in the states with regard to that . And what is joe biden proposing that his response will be, if any , joe biden did come be, if any, joe biden did come out and give his support to Benjamin Netanyahu . I mean , its an underpowered, i mean, its an underpowered, relatively short speech, but it was unequivocally supportive of israel. President trump has israel. President trump has drawn a and this is whats happening in the United States. Its the Jewish Community here is perhaps even more prevalent. And this is an attack on the hamas would see it as well as being an attack on israel. Donald trump has drawn a connection between the 6 billion of unfrozen iranian funds that were handed over by the Biden Administration to the ability to actually empower such an attack and such support. So thats the mood in the United States, is that drawing a direct line between on that 6 billion being returned to iran or unfrozen at least those assets and the ability and capacity to carry out such an organised and coordinated attack . Coordinated attack . I want to ask you now, because i want to move on to because i want to move on to because were talking about border walls and now joe, joe biden, they did claim the democrats claimed they would not build border build another foot of border wall, but biden is apparently now miles of it. Is now building 20 miles of it. Is that right . Now building 20 miles of it. Is tha yeah. . Now building 20 miles of it. Is tha yeah. I mean, hes kept that yeah. I mean, hes kept that. Hes that promise. Hes kept that promise. Build another. Hes kept that promise. Of build another. Hes kept that promise. Of border build another. Hes kept that promise. Of border wall. Ld another. Hes kept that promise. Of border wall. Hes other. Hes kept that promise. Of border wall. Hes kept foot of border wall. Hes kept that by now, building 20 more miles of it. Miles of it. Donald trump built against resistance from the political establishment. He built about 500 miles of wall. He ended up having to take the money out of the military budget and when biden came in, he said that he would not build another foot. Theyve now the situation is so untenable. What you have is now the United States sees every single state as a border state. And what you had for a long time was only those states like arizona, etcetera , or california, those etcetera, or california, those states that actually do border mexico being seen as border states. Now, since weve seen migrant being moved to new york, chicago , et cetera. Chicago, et cetera. Its on the doorsteps of the actual people that would normally be pro migrant. Actual people that would normally be pro migrant. These normally be pro migrant. These are all the cities that were welcoming migrants, welcome signs being held up. So now theyve been moved and exported to all realms, all parts of the realm, rather the mood has changed and with an with an election coming , its with an election coming, its the democrats have suddenly discovered that walls do work. Apparently. Apparently. Apparently. Well, of course, as soon as those calling for them not to be initiated, suddenly you have to deal with the migrants and the whole situation changes. Now, what the question what about the question i wanted to about president to ask you about president trump, speaker of the house, is he becoming the of the he becoming the speaker of the house . It. Whats house . I dont get it. Whats whats its possible. Its actually possible. We talked about this weirdly like a year or so ago , that year or so ago, that technically, because you dont need to be a member of congress to be the house speaker, you dont actually need to be elected at all. You can just be brought in any joe schmo from kokomo can actually become speaker of the house. Whats happenedis speaker of the house. Whats happened is for the very first time in us history , a speaker time in us history, a speaker has been deposed by a little arcane rule. That means that one person who and in this case matt gaetz, can summon a vote against them and they got deposed. So Kevin Mccarthy was the speaker. He was republican , but he was he was republican, but he was seen as not trumpian enough. And one of the things one of the things that were running out of time, weve got about ten. He was seen as not keeping promises. Trump could. Trump but yes, trump could. Trump has now said on friday, he said hes in being hes interested in being a temporary speaker until the house its affairs in order. House gets its affairs in order. So thats going to thats the optics. And with with israel its likely then are you going on 20 now theres a ten. Thank you paul duddridge, thank you very there he is, the host very much. There he is, the host of the politics people podcast. Always with this always a pleasure with paul this is to come in the is gb news. More to come in the next hour. Next hour. So stay tuned for the next hour. Me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. Coming up, my mystery outside guest. He may have been born in surrey, he was often caught surrey, but he was often caught out in east end london. Out in the east end of london. All revealed soon that all will be revealed soon that its for the Great British its time for the Great British debate this hour. And im asking who you trust to fix the who do you trust to fix the Education System . First, Education System . But first, lets get your latest news headunes lets get your latest News Headlines addison. Headlines with ray addison. Thanks, nana. Good afternoon. 5 02. Our top story this hour, israels Prime Minister says they will turn anywhere Hamas Terrorists are hiding into, quote, an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas now. Now, if youre watching on tv, you can see live footage of gaza where smoke, the result of rocket blasts, had been seen drifting across the skyline earlier as buildings are being targeted. Israel says its hit 800 hamas targets in gaza, killing hundreds of fighters and capturing dozens more. At least 600 israelis were killed in yesterdays surprise attack. Yesterdays surprise attack. Thats according to israeli television. At least 313 television. At least 313 palestine aliens have also died. More than 20,000 palestinians are taking refuge in schools run by the united nations. Benjamin netanyahu vowed to take mighty vengeance. Vengeance. Vengeance. Begum. Begum. Begum. What happened today has never been seen in israel. And i will make sure that it does not happen again. The entire government is behind this decision. The idf will immediately use all its strength to destroy hamass capabilities. We will destroy them and we will take mighty vengeance for this day that they have this black day that they have forced on the of israel forced on the state of israel and its citizens. And its citizens. A 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants. Thats been hamas militants. Thats been confirmed by his family. Nathaniel young was serving with the Israeli Defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. He was a student at jfs Jewish School in north london and had recently been living in central israel. Been living in central israel. While speaking to gb news, Israels Deputy ambassador to the uk , Oren Marmorstein held the uk, Oren Marmorstein held back tears as he discussed the scenes after the attacks. Scenes after the attacks. He has blood all over her body , grabbing her by her hair body, grabbing her by her hair and the terrorist shove her into and the terrorist shove her into a car. And her eyes, petrified a car. And her eyes, petrified eyes thinking what they are going to do to me. What kind of people commit these atrocities to other people . Police police in london are stepping up, reassuring patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel, videos have emerged , israel, videos have emerged, appearing to show people in various parts of london, some holding flags while clapping and cheering. Cheering. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick described those celebrating as disgusting and said there is no place for anyone who glorifies the terrorist activities of hamas. Terrorist activities of hamas. The met police says the situation in israel may lead to protest outs over the coming days. Protest outs over the coming days. Well, a protester briefly days. Well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at a labour Conference Event this morning. He was quickly removed from the stage before Angela Rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. Labours deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of conservative government. Its also have one single focus is to desperately cling on to power. Thats why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. You cannot level up from the top down. The tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them and staying with laboun benefits them and staying with labour, the party says it would use Counter Terror tactics to monitor the most dangerous violent offenders in england and wales. Its part of labours mission to halve incidents of violence against women and girls over the next decade. Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper saying that officers would be told to, quote, relentlessly pursue perpetrators who pose the greatest risk. And finally, the greatest risk. And finally, the north of scotland is at risk of severe flooding after torrential rainfall yesterday and through the night. Rainfall yesterday and through the night. The rainfall yesterday and through the night. The met office has the night. The met office has issued a warning of danger to life while landslides have blocked roads in the west of the country, at least ten people were rescued from their cars by helicopter. While many Train Services remain suspended. Meanwhile, in the south, conditions are mostly dry , with conditions are mostly dry, with temperatures reaching 25 degrees in some areas. As this is gb in some areas. As this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. 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Now still to come, every sunday at 5 00, im joined by celebrity, former mp or by a celebrity, former mp or someone an extremely someone whos had an extremely interesting to take interesting career to take a look at life after the job. We talk highs, lows lessons talk highs, lows and Lessons Learned and what comes next on the outside. And today im very the outside. And today im very happy ive got a great happy because ive got a great guest and i hope he will. Hes great because i hope he makes a great because i hope he makes a great impression. That is a clue. Just a speaker. Clue. Thats just a speaker. Loud. Its surprise. Now you loud. Its surprise. Now you might not recognise him or you might not recognise him or you might his impressions of sir tom jones, mick jagger and Paul Mccartney between two thousand and seven and 2008, he appeared in 66 episodes of the bbc soap eastenders. Stay tuned. All will be revealed very shortly. If you havent worked it out then for the great debate this the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour, asking who do you hour, im asking who do you trust to the Education Trust to fix the Education System rishi sunak said system now . Rishi sunak said hes going ditch a levels and hes going to ditch a levels and force students study maths force students to study maths and english and those plans have been criticised whilst sir keir starmer has been forced into another with another embarrassing u turn with his plans to strip private schools of charitable schools of their charitable status. Do you trust to status. So who do you trust to fix our broken system . And as even fix our broken system . And as ever, get touch usual ever, get in touch the usual way . Vaiews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb way . Vaiews gbnews. Com or tweet me at. Gb news. So did you work it out every sunday at 5 00 . Im joined by a celebrity, a former mp , someone whos had an mp, someone whos had an extremely interesting career. We take a look at the job we took highs and lows, Lessons Learned, what next. This week , what comes next. And this week, im joined by very special guests. Hes known hes made quite impression many. He quite an impression on many. He was may have been born in was also may have been born in surrey, but then hes often been caught out in east london in the east of london. So these are east end of london. So these are all clues. Yeah, definitely all clues. Yeah, he definitely knew how to break the ice and continue to gain used to do so. Both on screen and on stage. In 1981, he made his tv debut, but it wasnt until 1983 when he made his guest Television Breakthrough with live from her majestys. Between 2008 and two thousand and seven. He also appeared in 66 episodes of the bbc soap eastenders. Dunk, dunk, dunk , dunk. You might not dunk, dunk. You might not recognise. I think you will. His impressions include tom jones, mick jagger and Paul Mccartney. Well get him to do something. Im sure youve guessed it. Of course. Fabulous actor course. Its the fabulous actor and comedian bobby davro. A lovely oh, what a lovely introduction. Like its introduction. Its like its like world. Its like im leaving the world. Its my has gone before me. Yeah. Yeah. When you hear that youve done all that, it makes me feel old. Makes feel old. Old. It makes me feel old. You know, when i first now you know, when i first saw you, i thought you looked exactly way ive exactly the same way that ive ever on tv. You look ever seen you on tv. You look the same. Well, do you remember yes. Well, do you remember when off the telly . No when i was off the telly . No in my head. Im still off the telly, but im not off it. Im here now in my mind. Im here now in my mind. Youve been on the tv all the time because i grew up with you. Yeah i grew with you. Yeah i grew up with you. Its getting more but its getting more difficult now. You know, somebody of my age because im pushing now and im. Im not pushing 50 now and im. Im not pushing 50 now and im. Im not pushing im dragging pushing it. Im dragging it. Im 60. Oh its gone. Im 65. Im 65. You great. Yeah 60. You look great. Yeah 60. You look great. Yeah 60. And you . 13 nana. Yeah i think it is. You try saying that to speed on the a3. To speed cameras on the a3. Yeah, exactly. Doesnt work out well, that doesnt work out well, yeah. Im 65 and ive had a great career. Good place, im im in a good place, im enjoying it and youre to enjoying it and youre meant to be thinking about be sort of thinking about retiring, but im not going to retire because if you do job that you love, you never work a day in your life. Why would stop . So so why would you stop . So talk to about the early days. Talk to me about the early days. Days . What early days . What early days . To about your life talk to me about your life growing was it like . Growing up. What was it like . When i was about it well, when i was about it must have about ten, 11 must have been about ten, 11 years and asked me, years old. And my dad asked me, my dad, and he me, my lovely dad, and he asked me, what want be when you what do you want to be when you grow said, all the grow up . I said, well, all the family were wanting to know. I didnt really. Said, ever think i said, well, i ever think about said, i want to be a about it. I said, i want to be a comedian. Know what they comedian. And you know what they just laughed. You joking . Were you only joking . No, they theyre laughing well, theyre not laughing now, theyre now, are they . Oh, theyre not. Thats is thats the Bob Monkhouse gag, is it . A soldier. It . Look at me as a soldier. Look that, bobby. Look at that, bobby. Soldier, were you as a soldier, were you actually a soldier . You werent. Ive done of work for ive done a lot of work for the a great the services. Im a great supporter the services. Im a great supiorter the services. Im a great supiortea lot of stuff with jim i do a lot of stuff with jim davidson, over the world. To the falklands and went to the falklands and stuff yeah, been went to the falklands and stgreat yeah, been went to the falklands and stgreat career. Yeah, been a great career. So how did you start . What was first break . Was your first proper break . My first was working at first job, i was working at bentalls kingston, earning £18. 50. School. Was after id left school. I was earning food earning £18. 50 a week, food coming bus fares coming out of that and bus fares and then i didnt and stuff and then i didnt really mens i was in the mens department. My department. I was doing my impressions and hignfy impressions of johnny and hignfy and things. And all those kind of things. Was a bit just and i was a bit bored just messing because that was messing about because that was me. I went worked me. And then i went and worked for late father and hes for my late father and hes a lovely i miss my dad and an and then did he do he was used to restore furniture. But as he got restore furniture. But as he got older he just stained chairs. Older he just stained chairs. And gag alert and go on and he he was a famous runner. My dad was a famous runner, actually. So he ran for Great Britain in two olympics in 1948. In two olympics in 1948. And 5248 was london, 52 was helsinki with roger bannister, who wrote the four minute mile. And my dad , he ran it and he and my dad, he ran it and he wanted he wanted to be like my dad and win the gold medal because he wanted to win it too. He came sixth. But he came sixth. But he came sixth. Bless his heart. Oh, bless his heart. Oh, bless his heart. But i. I wasnt athletic. I was joke. My mum was was just a joke. My mum was the joker. My dad didnt get joker. My dad didnt really get me really. He had me as a comic, really. He had a strange of humour, strange sense of humour, but he was hero and i miss him every was my hero and i miss him every day would have to day and he would have loved to see to love see these. He used to love coming and me being coming and watching me being successful , but he didnt like successful, but he didnt like me these sort of like me when i did these sort of like dancing on ice and things like that. It was embarrassing for you. That . Listen, wont do did that . Listen, i wont do that because my knees. That because of my knees. Im scared its all about scared for that. Its all about your journey. Say. You thats what they say. You know, i think mine was in an ambulance. Thats was ambulance. Thats what i was scared all. Ambulance. Thats what i was sca i� d all. Ambulance. Thats what i was scai didnt all. Ambulance. Thats what i was scai didnt awell. I didnt do very well. I didnt do very well. Mills Mccartney Heather mills mccartney was on the show and got through Heather Mills mccartney was onthe show and got through Heather Mills mccartney was onthe second nd got through Heather Mills mccartney was onthe second nd no;ot through Heather Mills mccartney was onthe second nd no punhrough to the second leg. No pun intended. I i dreadful. I was first out. I was first out. I was first out. I came of that. I i was first out. I came of that. I was the i came out of that. I was the first , celebrity first male skater, celebrity skater to be voted out. And les dennis, who is a big friend of mine and just strictly mine and hes just done strictly on the bbc and he went out first as well. So both commiserated as well. So we both commiserated with hes a lovely lad. And were you glad secretly . I and were you glad secretly . I was so glad. I dont pay you the was so glad. I dont pay you the same. Right . You get out first. Still get paid . Yeah, exactly. And because and youre going to because i was my asian phoned and youre going to because i was productionasian phoned and youre going to because i was Production Officejhoned and youre going to because i was Production Office and ed up the Production Office and said, thinking of said, will you be thinking of using bobby for the for the tour. Using bobby for the for the tou and on the other end and i heard on the other end of line and woman said, of the line and the woman said, what and put what do you think . And just put the down. The phone down. So your first big tv show . So your first big tv show . Yes, my first one was a show called up for the cup and it was it was it was a sports based Football Team based show where they had different comedians and entertainers on there represent i represented Charlton Athletic or as jim davidson calls it, charlton nil and i did a thing, and that was the first bit of telly i ever had up for the cup with david hamilton. With david hamilton. Did he . Hamilton lovely fella. Then that i started. And then from that i started doing a few little shows here and there. Did one called what and there. I did one called what was the one called . Oh heavens, there was so many of these shows around at the time. And then i did live at her majestys and the second show i did one the first series didnt quite register, but they brought me back second went back for the second and i went on and did very well. On there and did very well. I did 33rd in person, you know , did 33rd in person, you know, when ive done, you know, could have got them funny eyes, you know, eyes and i did that and then did a bit of Cliff Richard high fans and just chatted then did a bit of Cliff Richard high fimpressions just chatted then did a bit of Cliff Richard high fimpressions jusyou. Itted a few impressions for you. More. What else give me some more. What else have that. Have you got . Well, we did that. Did piano and then and then i did piano impressions. Did impressions. I did. I did impressions. I did. I did impressions of elton john, the great bought his great elton john. I bought his rabbit. Do you know did rabbit off him. Do you know did you rabbit . You buy a rabbit . I did. I bought i was bought a rabbit when i was a kid. Bought rabbit off kid. I i bought his rabbit off him and, well, i didnt buy it. He gave it to me and it he actually gave it to me and it was brilliant, rabbit. You was brilliant, this rabbit. You know was know what he used to do . It was so. So. It was so so. It was so. It was so energetic. Used to go in energetic. And he used to go in the gymnasium every day. Elton energetic. And he used to go in the gy rabbit. M every day. Elton energetic. And he used to go in the gy rabbit. M ea ry day. Elton energetic. And he used to go in the gy rabbit. M ea true|y. Elton johns rabbit. Its a true story. No, i cant. No, seriously. Used on seriously. He used to run on the running no, running machine every day. No, elton johns rabbit. No, no, no. Its a little fit. Bunny. I knew it. There you go. Thats a guy. There you go. Thats a guy. So i started doing a lot of singing impressions. And then i did a show with a lot of my mates , people like gary wilmot mates, people like gary wilmot and. And and the late. Just dustin and les and we did this show. Alan stewart, and we did a show. Alan stewart, and we did a show called copycats and thats where i sort of started doing sort of more contemporary impressions. Do you do i wonder if you do a trump one . You probably dont trump you probably dont do a trump well, trump. You well, i do a bit of trump. You know, donald well, i do a bit of trump. You krtrump, donald well, i do a bit of trump. You krtrump, what onald j. Trump, what is it . What is the stand for . Genius. Genius thej stand for . Genius. Genius jail, maybe. Know. Maybe jail, maybe. I dont know. Maybe very good. Very good. Very good. So, very good. So, yeah very good. So, yeah , very good. So, yeah , i very good. So, yeah , i still very good. So, yeah, i still keep the impressions. Keep up with the impressions. I do an impression. I do a routine in i call still in my act, which i call still alive the apollo because alive at the apollo because thats should be the thats how we should be on the telly now. Comedians, should telly now. Comedians, we should be could call telly now. Comedians, we should bestill could call telly now. Comedians, we should bestill alive could call telly now. Comedians, we should bestill alive at could call telly now. Comedians, we should bestill alive at the could call telly now. Comedians, we should bestill alive at the apollo. Call it still alive at the apollo. And could the michael and i could do all the michael mcintyres, and so im mcintyres, you know. And so im going you know. Yes. Going to michael, you know. Yes. And hes of and alan carr, hes one of my favourites. Clary , favourites. And julian clary, thank you. And i still keep up with the impressions, you know, youre very good. Very with the impressions, you know, yourewell, good. Very with the impressions, you know, yourewell, i od. Very with the impressions, you know, yourewell, i od. It. Very with the impressions, you know, yourewell, i od. It. Verit good. Well, i love it. I love it. I love entertaining. Thats what on. What you end up on. The enders. Yes you. The east enders. Yes you. The east enders. Yes you. Indeed. I was the lucky i did indeed. I was the lucky fellow. Vinny fellow. I was vinny. Vinny monks. I was the lucky fella that that snogged shirley. I that that snogged shirley. I thought that she was my romantic. Oh yes. Shirley. Shirley. Lovely shirley. Not ronnie or roxy. Shirley. Ronnie or roxy. I got shirley. I should have got a bafta for that. An erm. Look. Good. Im only being serious. And. No, she was lovely. And of course the picture dont. Picture there is with i dont. Thats linda. Linda, henry. She played course played shirley and of course cheryl there. Cheryl ferguson. Who still stay in touch who are still stay in touch with. I still stay in touch with the fear that shirley is the blonde lady with. No, no. No, no. Yeah. Shirley is the one with yeah. Shirley is the one with the hat there an and then its good looking middle. Good looking one in the middle. The good one. Then the good looking one. And then of course, theres lovely heather, lovely. Yeah. So. What are you yeah. So. So what are you doing whats going doing now then . Whats going on in well, i. Im normally getting well, i. Im normally getting ready , but im ready for pantomime, but im not doing the first doing a pantomime for the first time in years. Glad that sort of. I love pantomime. Im, you i love pantomime. Im, you know, im going to miss it. I hopei know, im going to miss it. I hope i do. I usually do one at easter and then i do another one at christmas. So im looking fonnard to having a year off. Im doing a lot of gigs. Ive taken lot up stuff. Taken a lot of stand up stuff. Yeah, i love it. Id do yeah, but i love it. Id do anything like to do some yeah, but i love it. Id do anyth acting like to do some yeah, but i love it. Id do anyth acting actuallon some yeah, but i love it. Id do anyth acting actually. Some yeah, but i love it. Id do anyth acting actually. I;ome yeah, but i love it. Id do anyth acting actually. I think more acting actually. I think id like to get out there and do a something, know , a drama or something, you know, sort of like that. And sort of Something Like that. And you know, so. So what would you say your biggest career biggest moment in your career has your best . Has been . Your best . Its personally, yeah, well, its personally, yeah, i would have thought it was having my First Special at tbs in the series and lots of things. I loved eastenders. It was something i enjoyed. I didnt enjoy the dancing on ice. If im, you know, if im really honest. But ive done a lot of those kind of things. Big brother did funnily enough, brother i did funnily enough, big and quite enjoyed brother i did funnily enough, big and and quite enjoyed brother i did funnily enough, big and you|d quite enjoyed brother i did funnily enough, big and you|d qu people yed that. And you know, people like me, telly me, we cant get on the telly doing entertainment. Doing the same entertainment. Id part of comedy in id love to be part of comedy in this country. Still this in this country. Still because enthusiastic. I because im enthusiastic. I dont think im dated. I think ill keep up with modern ill keep up with the modern stuff. Im ill keep up with the modern stuff. Im not ill keep up with the modern stuff. Im not political, you stuff. Im not political, you know, and i was going to say, lets get you on headliners. Said, no, no, but you just said, no, no, no, to on. But you just said, no, no, no, you to on. But you just said, no, no, no, you do to on. But you just said, no, no, no, you do headliners on. But you just said, no, no, no, you do headliners yeah, id you do headliners yeah, id have swap on a few things. Have to swap on a few things. Oh, kind of oh, would love that kind of thing. Im not thing. And you know, im not into thing and i dont into this woke thing and i dont understand you understand it. I think that, you know, isnt given, know, offence isnt given, its taken and i think this hoo taken and i think all this hoo ha fact im actually going ha in fact im actually going out a next week. I am out on a date next week. I am with actually with a girl. She actually identifies as a wheelie bin. Identifies as a wheelie bin. Yeah, she does. She identifies as a wheelie bin and. I dont know, im a bit worried because i dont know whether to take her out on tuesday wednesday out on a tuesday or wednesday when out. Yes. Yes when the bins come out. Yes. Yes shame you have to explain these jokes. Really . Shame you have to explain these jok were1lly . Shame you have to explain these jok were running out of time. Were running out of time. Were running out of time. What a shame. What a shame. Well, what are you up to next . Want to catch next . If we want to catch you doing youre what doing what youre doing, what are up to . Are you up to . Well, going probably. Well, im going to probably. Im get im going to go and get something to eat. Ive got my daughter middle daughter with me, my middle daughter, and were nip daughter, and were going to nip out a sandwich and or out and get a sandwich and or something to eat. You know, youre be not next something to eat. You know, your thats be not next something to eat. You know, your thats the be not next something to eat. You know, your thats the pizza not next something to eat. You know, your thats the pizza house. Ext door. Thats the pizza house. Next door, it . Are next door, isnt it . What are you doing . Anyone see so if anyone wants to see you, come of it, you, you come to some of it, youll see go the on youll see me go on the on google its called google or whatever its called or tick, whatever it is. And youll see what im doing there. Im just getting back on the social network thing. Complicated. Its all a bit complicated. Theres so many them. Its all a bit complicated. Theyes, so many them. Its all a bit complicated. Theyes, there ny them. Its all a bit complicated. Theyes, there is. Them. Its all a bit complicated. Theyes, there is. Andiem. But yes, there is. And then. But im enjoying it. Ive had a good life. Do. I do life. Im a good boy. I do. I do loads there that loads of stuff out there that that excites me. And its always great. You know, ive had i great. And you know, ive had i havent had good year. Ive havent had a good year. Ive had sadness in life had a bit of sadness in my life this year, im glad this year, which im glad you mentioned talk mentioned it. You want to talk about you know about that anymore. But you know what . Begin what . New beginnings begin with painful. Thats what it painful endings. Thats what it is. So think positive. Fonnard. Is. So think positive. Fonnard. Full fonnard. Bobby davro. Thank you very much. Lovely to see you. Nana. Lovely to see you. Nana. A brilliant bobby that is a brilliant bobby davro. Outside guest davro. Hes my outside guest speakers ni fabulous. Speakers. Ni fabulous. Well, just to 20 minutes just coming up to 20 minutes after youve just tuned after 5 00, if youve just tuned in, earth have you after 5 00, if youve just tuned in, you earth have you after 5 00, if youve just tuned in, you canarth have you after 5 00, if youve just tuned in, you can alwayse you after 5 00, if youve just tuned in, you can always catch up been . You can always catch up via news but coming via the gb news app, but coming up, time great up, its time for the Great British and british debate this hour. And im trust im asking, who do you trust to fix system . Fix the Education System . Whether its Keir Starmers proposal that on proposal to impose that on private schools rishi sunaks private schools or rishi sunaks plans to axe a levels. What do you think . Who do you trust thats way. With me, Michael Portillo gb news britains new. Channel is news britains new. Channel is just coming up to 24 minutes after 5 00. This is gb news. We are the peoples channel. Im nana akua. And in some breaking news, Prime Minister rishi sunak has just speaking out about the just been speaking out about the atrocities israel. The scenes atrocities in israel. The scenes that weve seen in israel over the past 36 hours are truly horrifying thing. I want to express my absolute solidarity for the people of israel. Now is not a solidarity for the people of israel. Now is not a time for equivocation and im unequivocal. Hamas and the people who support hamas are fully responsible for this appalling act of terror , for the murder of act of terror, for the murder of civilians for and the kidnapping of innocent people, including children. Ive just spoken with Prime Minister netanyahu to assure him of the uks steadfast support as israel defends itself against these appalling attacks. We will do everything that we can to help terrorism will not prevail. Prevail. Um. Um. Um. What information do we have on missing british citizens in the region and what assistance is the government providing those citizens that could be caught up in the fight . This is a dangerous and fast moving situation on the ground, and i know that there will be families who anxious about families who are anxious about their to their loved ones. I want to reassure the foreign reassure them that the Foreign Office the Government Office and the government here is with our is in close contact with our israeli counterparts to establish the status of any british nationals on the ground. In the meantime, people should follow all the Foreign Office advice and indeed the advice from the israelis on the ground and contact the Foreign Office. If you have any concerns or need any assistance. Any assistance. And what of material and what kind of material assistance is the government providing to israel or is willing to provide the uk for a long time has been one of israels strongest allies in supporting its right to self defence and indeed providing the kinds of equipment that israel has used to defend itself from these appalling attacks over the past 36 hours. We will continue to do everything that we to can help. When i spoke to Prime Minister netanyahu recently this afternoon, i assured him of that support and said that uk support and said that the uk stood ready provide that stood ready to provide that support. Thats support. Whether thats Diplomatic Security support. Diplomatic or security support. And he knows we are here and he knows that we are here and help. And ready to help. Are you and how concerned are you that the conflict could descend into a wider regional war . You know, of course, no one wants to see regional escalation and both the uk and allies have urged everyone in the region not to use this as an opportunity to incite further violence or hatred. And in the meantime, we hatred. And in the meantime, we will continue to provide israel with every support that it needs. We stand steadfast needs. As we stand steadfast with israel, including its right to self defence, to ensure that these attacks do not happen and we will continue to support israel in that. Israel in that. Thank you very much. Thank. Thank you very much. Thank. You very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Right. That is rishi sunak speaking with atrocities in with regard to the atrocities in israel its though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe its though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe great ts though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe Great British though, with regard to the atrocities in isrethe Great British debate h, for the Great British debate this hour. If youve just tuned in, its coming to 27 in, its just coming up to 27 minutes after 5 00. We gb minutes after 5 00. We are gb news. The debate , im news. And in the debate, im asking, you trust to fix asking, who do you trust to fix the education whilst sir the Education System whilst sir keir starmer proposed to impose that on private schools on their fees immediately upon winning the next general election. So hes going do that that hes going to do that and that caused amongst caused a lot of concerns amongst many and parents. Labour many schools and parents. Labour argues that removing the charitable status from independent schools could generate 1. 6 billion to invest in state schools for hiring staff, Mental Health and counsellors and career advisers. However a lot of critics, including rishi sunak, view this move as detrimental, potentially forcing many students out of private schools. So for the private schools. So for the great debate, this hour, Great British debate, this hour, im asking you trust to im asking who do you trust to fix system . Im fix the Education System . So im joined now by former labour mp Stephen Pound, online editor of the milbank the critique. Sebastian milbank and former labour adviser Matthew Lazar. Im going to start with you, Matthew Lazar oh, ive missed somebody. I oh, ive missed somebody. I missed. Oh, in the corner there missed. Oh, in the corner there. I didnt did i not say yes. Oh is it not . Shall i introduce myself . Oh, im sorry about that. Well, ill come to you in a moment. Sorry about that. Ill start with matthew, but ill come to you. Apologies. Matthew lazan so, i mean , i think that so, i mean, i think that we need in education need a reset in education policy, and i think well get there starmer. There with keir starmer. And putting vat on and i think putting vat on pubuc and i think putting vat on Public PrivatePublic School fees, private school and school fees is absolutely and totally acceptable because, you know, working parents pay know, hard working parents pay out on everything. Bar childrens clothes and food that out on everything. Bar childbuy; clothes and food that out on everything. Bar childbuy forothes and food that out on everything. Bar childbuy for their and food that out on everything. Bar childbuy for their kids, food that they buy for their kids, including computer that including the computer that every needs achieve every kid needs now to achieve at so why shouldnt at school. So why shouldnt there be a level Playing Field . There be a level Playing Field . Hardly. I dont think. Well, hardly. I dont think. Lets an sorry, lets go to an nadler sorry, ann, what earlier i and its fine. Its joanne, by the way. Its joanne. Its joanne. Oh, yeah. I mean, im actually going to address your your bigger issue here, which is who do we trust with our Education System . Education system . And i have to say regretfully , certainly not any politicians. What weve seen over the last 30 or 40 years is just constant reform. And i think, you know, whether youre a teacher or whether youre a teacher or whether youre a parent or whether youre a parent or whether indeed you are a student at school, this is just a kind of technocratic focus which isnt helping to concentrate on the real sort of philosophical issues of what we want from education. Now, im not in favour of the reforms that youve discussed that the Labour Party Want to bring in and im not particularly impressed by what rishi sunak had to offer last week either because i think in cases these are kind of in both cases these are kind of theyre kind of tinkering around theyre kind of tinkering around the edges and theyre not looking at the really serious issues children should issues of what children should be taught, what the underlying values should be, and whether we want to kind of concentrate on the things that traditionally weve been very good at in this country, which is a sort of Knowledge Based curriculum based on empirical sources and kind of take it from there rather than didnt need to sort of reform andindeed didnt need to sort of reform and indeed revolutionise the system. System. All right. Well, im going to go to sebastian milbank. Sebastian. The fact the vat sebastian. The fact the vat policy is simply a half measure. As weve said, many of these things. So on the one hand, youre punishing parents who are already paying into the tax system in school that system for places in school that their children are not using. Their children are not using. So that but on the so think that but on the other hand, you are talking about , you know, other hand, you are talking about, you know, an average school fee of 15,000 or something year. So this is not something a year. So this is not you know, this not sort of you know, this is not sort of people minor institutions. These are elite schools and they do you know, you are looking at situation where Something Like two thirds of our judges went Public School. Judges went to Public School. Even stars and even now, pop stars and entertainers sportsmen are entertainers and sportsmen are increasingly people who went to elite Public Schools. You know, i think that a far better policy would be rather than removing the charitable status of these schools or taxing around the margins , we taxing around the margins, we should simply say, if you want, you can have a charitable status for private institution, for a for a private institution, for a private but it has to private school. But it has to actually charitable. You actually be charitable. You actually be charitable. You actually teach the actually have to teach the children you have children of the poor. You have to have something more than to have Something Like more than 50 to be 50 of the students need to be on know, on scholarships. You know, something that will make Something Like that will make a meaningful so the meaningful difference. So the sebastian, are very charitable. I mean, the private school i went to a very charitable. So a lot of them do that. And lot of them do do that. And i and that stephen and i hear that Stephen Pound good anna. Good afternoon, anna. Look, i support anybody with the right to spend the money. Spend how they wish to spend it within reason. How they wish to spend it witiwhatason. How they wish to spend it witiwhat lion. How they wish to spend it witiwhat i dont support the what i dont support is the idea that we should give them a discount we should discount on that. We should actually a, you know, actually give them a, you know, actually give them a, you know, a simply a vat discount. Thats simply not look, we cant not right. Look, we cant aboush not right. Look, we cant abolish charitable abolish the charitable status for most for schools because most of these go back these charitable status go back to edward the fifth. Know , to impossible. But you know, to impossible. But look, think the person i trust look, i think the person i trust is Bridget Phillipson , whos the is Bridget Phillipson, whos the labour on education. And i think the important thing here that if you thing here is that if you actually teachers, you actually talk to teachers, you know, get past the know, once you get past the obviously money, know, once you get past the obviknow money, know, once you get past the obviknow who money, know, once you get past the obviknow who doesnt . Money, you know who doesnt . Condition, but its the condition, the physical of the physical condition of the classrooms and schools in this country. Country. And its not just the situation. It just have a look at the schools weve around us and schools weve got around us and i teachers and what i think what teachers and what pupils teachers support pupils and what teachers support staff all, staff want is, first of all, a penod staff want is, first of all, a period of stability. Them period of stability. Leave them alone. Dont set up another whole range of exams. So to create a further divide between commercial sector between the commercial sector and the state sector, where pubuc and the state sector, where public have their own Public Schools have their own exams have exams and state schools have theirs, forget that. Lets give schools warm words. Them warm lets give them warm classrooms , make decent, safe classrooms, make decent, safe classrooms, make decent, safe classrooms. Let the teachers get classrooms. Let the teachers get on teach and by all means on and teach and by all means remove vat because thats a ridiculous perk. But dont change the charitable status because we cant do it. Matthew, im give matthew, im going to give you another briefly to. You another 10s just briefly to. Stephen you another 10s just briefly to. absolutely stephen you another 10s just briefly to. absolutely right. Stephen is absolutely right. Mean, the rishi sunak i mean, the rishi sunak proposals this will just proposals this week will just are just nonsense because we dont maths teachers are just nonsense because we do teach maths teachers are just nonsense because we do teach the maths teachers are just nonsense because we doteach the currentnaths teachers are just nonsense because we doteach the current curriculum ers to teach the current curriculum , everybody to teach the current curriculum , to everybody to teach the current curriculum , to hes everybody to teach the current curriculum , to hes livingybody to teach the current curriculum , to hes living in dy maths to 18. Hes living in cloud land and we a cloud cuckoo land and we need a fresh start for our schools. So lets ask all right, so lets ill ask you all then. You trust you all then. Who do you trust then . Trust labour with then . Do you trust labour with education . Stephen pound, bridget labour Bridget Phillipson and labour Jo Anne Nadler do you trust them . I no, i absolutely dont because they want to instrumentalize schools. Instrumentalize schools. They want to make schools, engines of critical social justice. They dont really want to educate people in the sense that we understand in this country or we done country or we have done traditionally. But as i said at country or we have done tradbeginninqut as i said at country or we have done tradbeginning of as i said at country or we have done tradbeginning of myi said at country or we have done tradbeginning of my comments, the beginning of my comments, im taken im not particularly taken with the agenda either. The conservatives agenda either. So say youve got to so i would say youve got to trust parents. Youve got to trust parents. Youve got to trust so you dont give trust teachers so you dont give them far more control. Yeah. Them far more control. Yeah. Okay, great. And also sebastian , who do you sebastian millbank, who do you trust . Trust yes trust . Do you trust labour . Yes or . Or no . Beholden to unions, labour is beholden to unions, not parents. Dont trust them. And Matthew Lawson i trust labour as long as it puts peoples first and delivers a decent at end in Decent School at the end of in everybodys and everybodys community up and down. Right, down the country. All right, thank much, stephen down the country. All right, thank sebastian|uch, stephen down the country. All right, thank sebastian milbank,|hen pound, sebastian milbank, Matthew Lawson and also Jo Anne Nadler , thank you for nadler, thank you so much for your thoughts. Their your thoughts. Thats their thoughts. What yours . This thoughts. What are yours . This is , online and on is gb news on tv, online and on digital with is gb news on tv, online and on digigreat with is gb news on tv, online and on digiGreat British with is gb news on tv, online and on digiGreat British debate with is gb news on tv, online and on digiGreat British debate thisth the Great British debate this houn the Great British debate this hour. Im asking who do you trust fix Education Trust to fix the Education System country . System in this country . Youll hear of my panel hear the thoughts of my panel broadcast journalist broadcast from journalist danny kelly author and kelly and also author and journalist Christine Hamilton. But get your latest but first, lets get your latest News Headlines with ray addison i thanks, nana. Its 5 33. Our top story this hour, the Prime Minister, rishi sunak , has told minister, rishi sunak, has told israels Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu the uk is ready to provide support after it was attacked by the terrorist organisation hamas. Now, those of you watching on television can see live footage of gaza where israel says 800 hamas targets have been hit, killing hundreds of fighters with dozens more captured. Earlier, mr netanyahu said they will turn anywhere Hamas Terrorists are hiding into an island of ruins and urged the people of gaza to leave those areas immediately. More than 500 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterdays surprise attack. At least 313 palestinians also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets while gunmen stormed the border. Litvinenko Lieutenant ColonelRichard Hecht is the idfs international spokesperson. International spokesperson. The visuals are isil visuals in a way , this is our 9 11. In a way, this is our 9 11. This is our 9 11. And you know, even more than that. I mean , it wasnt crashing into a mean, it wasnt crashing into a building. Its also mutilating and attacking a party that was happening around the gaza strip, nature party, attacking civilians. Is nature party, attacking civilians. Is kidnapping a grandmother. The 20 year old british man serving in the israeli army has been killed in an attack by hamas militants. Thats been hamas militants. Thats been confirmed by his family. Nathaniel young was serving with the Israeli Defence services when he was killed on the gaza border yesterday. He was a student at jfs Jewish School in north london and had recently been living in central israel. Been living in central israel. Well, police in london are stepping up reassurance patrols after several reports of people gathering to celebrate the violence in israel. Videos have violence in israel. Videos have emerged online, appearing to show people in various parts of london, some holding flags while clapping and cheering. The met police say the situation in israel may lead to protests here over the coming days. A well, over the coming days. A well, a protester briefly interrupted speeches at the labour conference this morning. He was quickly removed from the stage before Angela Rayner took to the podium to officially open the event. Labours deputy leader took the opportunity to present the party as a contrast to over a decade of tory rule. A decade of tory rule. There has never been so unified, so focussed around one aim to give britain its future back. But the tories also have one singular focus is to desperately cling on to power. Thats why the tories levelling up project was dead on arrival. You cannot level up from the top down and the tories only know how to centralise power and hold wealth where it benefits them. Wealth where it benefits them. 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Now, before the break, i was asking who do you trust Education Trust to fix the Education System in this country . And of course, lots of you been getting in touch. Do think its the in touch. Do you think its the case, proposal case, starmer, with his proposal to private to impose vat on private schools and his other proposal to and also his other proposal to sort charge private sort of charge private University Students more so that other people who are poorer can go to university . I mean, or lots people are concerned lots of people are concerned about this. Or what about the charitable status, the removal of that . Is that a good idea of that . Is that a good idea will 1. 7 billion to will generate 1. 7 billion to invest schools. But do invest in state schools. But do we need to complete overhaul of the system or do you trust the conservative party whove come up with different policies like get rid of a level system get rid of the a level system and, you know, change it all again . Lets see what my panel make that. Joining make of that. Joining me now, broadcaster columnist broadcaster and columnist at no, youre youre an youre not columnist. Youre an author, Christine Hamilton, whatever. Whatever. Housewife. Im a housewife. Im a housewife. Danny kelly all right. Danny kelly all right. Well, ill also authored a book, as know, did book, as you know, i did a cookbook about 15 years ago. Ive told you this before. No, you have told us because im only. Im an author only. Many pages was it was it how many pages was it was it was more of a pamphlet. Was to with just a it it was to do with just a it still has to be authored. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah. Yeah, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah. How yeah. Yeah, but yeah. How pages yeah. Yeah, but yeah. How pages ineah. Yeah, but yeah. How pages in the how many pages in the pamphlet about 16. Pamphlet was about 16. Ive been pamphlet was about 16. Author ive been pamphlet was about 16. Author as ive been pamphlet was about 16. Author as well. Ive been an author as well. Ive written two books then ive written two books on to education. Yeah, lets on. Yeah, lets move on. Yeah, lets move on. Not . Yeah, lets move on. Lets not . Yeah, lets move on. Lets not with nothing ive lets go with nothing ive done for myself done all right for myself and for there who for kids out there who are struggling education, you struggling with education, you can life. Can make something of your life. Of course. You can. Of course you can. One of your commentators that the lady, commentators said that the lady, joanne, said she doesnt trust labour because shes worried about the saturation of social justice ideology. I think that its already saturated. Im im not convinced it could be any more exacerbated and maybe it could be. And maybe thats a valid sunak valid concern. Rishi sunak focusing on on core maths, was it an and english maths till the age of 18 . You carry on with that . You carry on with that . Yeah. I mean, english is a great one. I dont get maths, im not sure what the benefit of maths is. People can youve got to calculate. Calculate. I maths more i know maths is more sophisticated more complex i know maths is more sophjustited more complex i know maths is more sophjust multiple more complex i know maths is more sophjust multiple and complex than just multiple and divisions. I get all of that. I think you might be talking mortgages and like that. I think you might be talking mortgagimlnd like that. I think you might be talking mortgagim hoping like that. I think you might be talking mortgagim hoping liithats . I mean, im hoping that thats kind talking about. So trying to instil so hes trying to instil a basic sense about how basic common sense about how to use money wisely. Think. Think so. But he i think. I think so. But he hasnt you know, theres hasnt been, you know, theres a lot just know how lot of classes just to know how to though, isnt it . To budget, though, isnt it . Only it seemed to me hes only threw it out the other day. I havent seen much detail. It seems to absolute madness to seems to me absolute madness to think that everybody should do maths english until theyre think that everybody should do ma yes, english until theyre think that everybody should do ma yes, everybody until theyre think that everybody should do ma yes, everybody should 1eyre think that everybody should do ma yes, everybody should dore 18. Yes, everybody should do maths and english until theyre say 16. But to continue to it to 80 and a lot of people just just 80 and a lot of people justjust dont head dont do maths, their head doesnt work properly to do maths is absurd to waste maths and it is absurd to waste a amount of money i think a vast amount of money i think in taking people on to 18. What is the point . Yes, people. Is the point . Yes, people. Enough teachers there arent enough teachers. So hadnt his own. So he hadnt done his own. There arent yeah, exactly. There arent enough i what i would do enough do what i what i would do either party should do is they should teachers in the should pay the teachers in the scarce more money, get scarce subjects more money, get more teachers in, use the market economy to pay maths teachers because apparently theyre very, very scarce. Pay more very scarce. Pay them more money. The market economy work. Okay. So what about this idea . Because labour are actually mulling over an to actually mulling over an idea to return student grants. Have return student grants. So have student grants which would fund poorer , but it would poorer students, but it would actually paid for the actually be paid for by the richest students. Thats of richest students. Thats one of the plans. The labour partys plans. Well, the first thing i would do number do is i would cut the number of university utterly university places. It is utterly , utterly absurd that that everybody should go to university. They then end up university. They then end up with a degree in a pretty useless subject dont useless subject and they dont get they get anything back from it. They dont enhanced income dont get any enhanced income from it they wonder what the from it and they wonder what the hell, okay, theyve lovely hell, okay, theyve had a lovely three thats not three years, but thats not really point. Far really the point. Theyd be far better lot. But what about better off a lot. But what about the getting a job the specific getting a job or doing course . Well, doing a technical course . Well, that would be a very socialist policy, wouldnt it . Personally, i cant see why all students shouldnt be equal the shouldnt be equal at the moment. More when moment. If you earn more when you nearly said retire, when you leave university, if you earn more, you dont start paying back until youve earned a fairly reasonable amount anyway. So people who go into lower paid jobs, whether theyre vocational jobs or whatever, they pay back. So they dont have to pay back. So in event, richest in any event, the richest students, hes underestimating the sacrifices of working class families as well who who go without summer holidays, who go. Youre talking about keir youre talking about sir keir starmer talking about sir keir were talking about sir keir starmer punitive starmer in a punitive way, punishing wealthier kids, supporting and compensating for less wealthy. I have yet to see less wealthy. I have yet to see the complete detail in his policy. But but i have a good feeling that hell be punishing hard working class mums hard working working class mums and who are sacrificing and dads who are sacrificing everyday that they can everyday things that they can put children into private put their children into private school. And just more thing school. And just one more thing he that his aspiration he did say that his aspiration is to every state school he did say that his aspiration is to playingery state school he did say that his aspiration is to Playing Field ate school he did say that his aspiration is to Playing Field with chool he did say that his aspiration is to Playing Field with public level Playing Field with Public Schools. Thats just an ideological pipe dream because you need to understand that there in certain there are schools in certain areas city centres areas of towns and city centres everywhere in the United Kingdom and they will never have that level of educational attainment. Its not an equitable system. Its not an equitable system. Unfortunately, its not. Theyll be lucky to have a Playing Field at all, never mind a level field, know. A level Playing Field, you know. Matter how much exactly. No matter how much money from wealthy money he takes from wealthy people this people or presumably this business charging wealthier business of charging wealthier students more, theyll have to be some sort of means test for families. They will have to. Thats what they used to be. When i went to university. You what . You tested and you were means tested and everybody minimum grant everybody got a minimum grant of £50. Everybody literally £50. £50. So everybody literally £50. You got £50. However rich you were othennise you. But means testing doesnt doesnt necessarily take into account the sacrifices of families means testing. You cant put on a means test. Im not going on holiday to the price. No, youre right. When i was at university, i didnt get money because my dad earned more money. But that didnt he money because my dad earned more monemeyut that didnt he money because my dad earned more monemeyut tmoney. 1t he money because my dad earned more monemeyut tmoney. 1didnt. He gave me his money. I didnt. I had dancing had to work in clubs, dancing clubs security , you know. Were you a female bouncer . Were you a female bouncer . Were you a female bouncer . A female bouncer. I i was a female bouncer. I would been more frightened would have been more frightened of annabels i any male counterpart of yours . Exactly. The mind boggles , exactly. The mind boggles, but yeah, so. So my dad didnt but yeah, so. So my dad didnt necessarily pass enough money over to me, and i had to take a loan out and stuff. Yes, he did what he could, but you know. What he could, but you know. But it wasnt that a yeah, but it wasnt that a very about very good lesson for you about i might have got a better grade. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But youve done for yourself. Youve done all right, nana. Youve right. Youve done all right. What . I want is striking out want to see is striking out of all this woke in all this woke business in education. Teachers education. Stop teachers undermining parents. Okay, well, let just let me see what the let me just let me see what the viewers of because i. Well, lets find out what they because this show they think, because this show is nothing without them. Lets welcome voices welcome our Great British voices their opportunity on the their opportunity to be on the show think show and tell us what they think about were about the topics were discussing. Ive got three of them. With them. Im going to start with leigh webb in bedfordshire. Do you labour or you trust the labour party or even the party who you even the tory party who do you trust the broken trust . Trust to fix the broken trust . Them . Any of them . Any of them . Listened to their soundbites. I just dont trust any of them. What we need doing is what we need to be doing is bringing education back to its basics, making the cses really good, making a levels really good, making a levels really good gnvqs good because a lot of the colleges dont go up to nvq three. No more and the btec is really good. We need to be improving all of qualifications rather of those qualifications rather than new than bringing in new qualifications and making sound bites were going shift bites that were going to shift money from education money from private education right to state education. Right over to state education. To , going you know, its not to, going you know, sound what weve got. Yeah, robbing peter to pay paul yeah, robbing peter to pay paul. Elizabeth elizabeth in cheshire. Cheshire. Well, its clear that the government, like many in politics, have little idea on whats going on in the countries they govern. Proposals with recent proposals of scrapping a levels and making maths the english compulsory maths and the english compulsory till 18, we have to till the age of 18, we have to ask ourselves, is that ask ourselves, why is it that older generations , evans, were older generations, evans, were far better educated, despite leaving school earlier compared to generations . Idea to younger generations . The idea that the longer one stays in school, the better educated they will be is simply buffoonery. So will be is simply buffoonery. So then control the then who should control the Education System . Well, Education System . Well, certainly not any of the mainstream Political Parties in power right now. I like that word buffoonery that describes them all quite nicely, actually. And brian duganin nicely, actually. And brian dugan in solihull. Dugan in solihull. Hi, nana. Um, yeah , i think hi, nana. Um, yeah, i think it was. I think it was the mail actually a few weeks ago that wrote in an Opinion Column that that if there was a metaphor that if there was a metaphor that summed up the shambolic state of britain under this tory government more than more than anything, its the its the crumbling schools crisis. So crumbling schools crisis. So i cant say that you can trust the tory government in terms of education. I agree with lee. I education. I agree with lee. I agree with the previous speaker there. In terms of , um, agree with the previous speaker there. In terms of, um, i dont see what rishi sunak is talking aboutin see what rishi sunak is talking about in terms of maths and english, in terms of its another ill thought through slogan and policy punt in terms of theres not enough teachers for, for, for doing what hes proposing. So again, its just its running out of sorry you were on a roll. Thank you so much. To the thank you so much. To the fabulous brian doogan in solihull, elizabeth. And also to lee webb. Thank you so much. Great to speak to you. Those are my great voices. Quickly my Great British voices. Quickly a story caught eye, a story that caught my eye, football keegan. Football legend kevin keegan. Got about a minute. Daddy expressed about expressed his reservation about female mens female pundits discussing mens football. Well, what do you think . Because columnist on the daily mail, amanda patel, whos been , a dedicated been dedicated, a dedicated spurs shes followed since spurs fan, shes followed since her childhood, has enjoyed the success game, but success of the womens game, but acknowledges the differences while she recognised talents while she recognised the talents of commentators , she of female commentators, she believes fans believes many football fans prefer analysis from men. So danny, i agree. Shes hit the nail on the head and a woman has finally said blokes prefer head and a woman has finally said talkingykes prefer head and a woman has finally said talking aboutefer head and a woman has finally said talking about blokes blokes talking about blokes playing football. Its not Rocket Science football focus back in. I think three years ago, the bbc are thinking about panning it because a woman footballer and its footballer took over and its just dramatically its just deteriorated dramatically. Deteriorated dramatically. Christine hamilton i agree. Good amanda. She has exactly good for amanda. She has exactly hit head. Hit the nail on the head. Sort of agree as yeah, i sort of agree as well. Sorry i know. Yeah, i sort of agree as welits sorry i know. Yeah, i sort of agree as wel its terrifying, know. Yeah, i sort of agree as wel its terrifying, isnt . Yeah, i sort of agree as welits terrifying, isnt it . Its terrifying, isnt it . All most women agree. Weve just all most women agree. Weve just said it. Oh, we have. We have. Some people said it. Oh, we have. Welike� e. Some people said it. Oh, we have. Welike it, some people said it. Oh, we have. Welike it, so, some people said it. Oh, we have. Welike it, so, you ne people said it. Oh, we have. Welike it, so, you knowyple said it. Oh, we have. Welike it, so, you know ,yle said it. Oh, we have. Welike it, so, you know , ia might like it, so, you know, i want them to be knowledgeable about the game. But right now its supplements its time for supplements sunday. This where the panel sunday. This is where the panel and stories that and i discuss some stories that caught danny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start danny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start with danny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start with you anny, going and i discuss some stories that ca start with you strictly. Going to start with you strictly. Youve got about minute. Youve got about a minute. Strictly favourite mine. My not a favourite of mine. My wife you will love wife loves it. You will love it, no youre sporty no doubt, because youre sporty and and oh, youre and you dance and oh, youre looking at me as if you dont like it. I love it. Oh, you do like it. I love it. Oh, you do like it . Guess how much the contestants theres contestants are paid . Theres a flat is it . Is it . Flat fee. Is it . What is it . £25,000. The weather, whether you the first round or you go out the first round or not, the dancers get between 30. Yeah, get yeah, 25 grand. The dancers get between 35 and £50,000. If you make it to blackpool , youll you make it to blackpool, youll you get £75,000. If you win, you get a £100,000 bounty. But and i have to ask, is this coming from the bbc licence fee . Because im assuming it is. Of course it is. And could the bbc pay something . Yes, but its such its such a big show. Would people do it for big show. Would people do it for the 25 grand . Thats all im saying. The 25 grand . Thats all im say but. Have to pay the but you have to pay the further they get, further through. They get, the more pay i more you have to pay them. I did masterchef was exactly masterchef. It was exactly the same. You the first one. Got same. You the first one. You got x you through to the next x if you got through to the next round, you got x plus, etcetera, etcetera. Okay. So because you have at it, have to spend more time at it, you to talk about you want to talk about your supplement talk me. Supplement or not talk to me. Yes. Left mine behind, so yes. Ive left mine behind, so im having to look on my im having to look at it on my phone. King charles used talk phone. King charles used to talk to we know to his plants. Okay. We all know that. And that. I talk to my plants and they respond beautifully. But they respond beautifully. But now, have sing now, apparently you have to sing to your and research has to your plants and research has been done that if you play a play to the plants for five hours a day at 60 to 70db, which is apparently normal conversation. Thats us. You conversation. So thats us. You get after five days, you get get a after five days, you get 10 greater leaf growth rate. I slightly wondered if this was an april fool. Its come from chinas tianjin normal university. So well see. But apparently if you sing to your plants and play music, you get when to people say its the Carbon Dioxide coming from your mouth that helps when chatting to theres no mouth. To them, theres no mouth. Youre playing electronic music i do they . Do you find them wilting with boredom whenever you talk to them . Be all in your legs. Lets move on to oh, my oh, i beg your pardon. Well, listen, im off. What do you think . I love her. I love her. Right i love her. Right well, did you know that apparently drinking a matched match her on match . Match matched her on match . I cant even say it. Matcha latte or tea effectively or green tea could effectively inactivate covid. Thats just new research that suggests that the omicron variant makes covid fighting molecules in tea even more powerful. Did you know about that . Well, ive never heard of matcha latte, for one. Youve heard of green tea, though . I dont. I dont trust these funny drinks. Stick to alcohol. Drinks. I stick to alcohol. So whats wrong with you on about . But what that does demonstrate that does demonstrate that does demonstra of many in properties of so many things in the where we the in the wild. Look where we get from, for example. Get aspirin from, for example. Im sure is. Get aspirin from, for example. Im sure is. Im not sure im sure it is. Im not sure i knew it. No, im sure it is. Im not sure i knew it. No, im not im sure it is. Im not sure i knew it. No, im not sure. Im sure it is. Im not sure i knew it. No, im not sure. I think we get it from a laboratory. Well theres a derivative of a tree that is some sort of painkiller honey, for example, if you cut your leg. Well, opium is a painkiller. Opium, poppy. Opium. There you go. From opium. There you go. From a tree thats good for you. Take opiates every day from plants. But what this but what this illustrates is a reminder that it could well be possible. Well, it could well be possible. Well, that actually theres a very simplistic potential remedies in the everyday things that we have. And its not necessarily big pharma there to big pharma who are out there to make that you keep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. That you keep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. Honeynu keep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. Honey onzeep buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. Honey on on buying big pharma who are out there to makestuff. Honey on on grazesg their stuff. Honey on on grazes and wounds. Well, lot of these things, well, a lot of these things, they wives they are thought to be old wives tales, but theres a reason why theyre because theyre old wives tales, because theyre old wives tales, because theyre exist as theyre true and they exist as well. Be right. Im not well. So may be right. Im not to going try it, though. It doesnt. My boat. Doesnt. Doesnt rock my boat. No, no. Just have cup of tea no, no. Just have a cup of tea if covid. If youve got covid. Just in case. Just in case. A good cup coffee. Thought saying a tea i thought youre saying a tea or like well, it or Something Like that. Well, it depends on the of day. Depends on the time of day. But, you covid is coming. But, you know, more and more know, i know more and more people. Friends whove got covid, it seems to be rampant. This like a cold now was this like a cold now these hopefully these days . So hopefully for most say first most anyway. But lets say first of on todays show of all, though, on todays show , asking, do you , weve been asking, who do you trust Education Trust to fix the Education System . Our twitter system . According to our twitter poll, you say labour , 26 poll, 71 of you say labour, 26 of you say conservative. 57 of you say reform uk. Wow. Wow. A lot of people go for reform. Well, listen, thank you so much to my fabulous panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. Thank you, danny. Author and author, best and author and author, best selling of a pamphlet and broadcast and author Christine Hampton joining me. Hampton for joining me. And thank you to you at home for your company. Fonnard for your company. I look fonnard to week, same to seeing you next week, same time, on saturday at time, same place on saturday at 3 00. Enjoy the week. 3 00. Enjoy the week. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here with your gb news Weather Forecast provided by the met office. This weekends heavy rain across scotland is slowly beginning to ease off. It will beginning to ease off. It will be turning patchier and lighter throughout the rest of this afternoon into this evening afternoon and into this evening as overnight as well into the overnight period, actually pushing it southwards. Starting to see southwards. So starting to see some rain move into northern parts of Northern Ireland and eventually galloway eventually dumfries and galloway , region as , the Scottish Borders region as well elsewhere. A drier night, but cloud pushing but quite a lot of cloud pushing into western coastal areas could turn murky here. Turn quite foggy and murky here. But all that cloud but underneath all that cloud will relatively mild for most will be relatively mild for most of dropping of us. Temperatures not dropping much below 11 to 15 c as we start off monday. Then there will be this thick band of cloud for Northern Ireland, southern scotland into Northern Areas of england light england could bring some light outbreaks of rain drizzle outbreaks of rain and drizzle in places. Of the cloud across places. Some of the cloud across the will back to the the west will burn back to the coastal but it could coastal areas, but it could unger coastal areas, but it could linger places throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the places throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. Aces throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. The throughout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. The besthhout coastal areas, but it could linger the day. The best partst much of the day. The best parts of sunshine central of the sunshine will be central areas wales into central areas of wales into central southern of england southern areas of england as well. Temperatures 5 to 6 degrees where wed degrees above where wed normally at normally expect them at this point generally point in october, generally ranging 17 and 24 c. Ranging between 17 and 24 c. There will be changes afoot there as we head into tuesday. There as we head into tuesday. And this frontal system going and this frontal system is going to its in to start pushing its way in from the north west slowly moving its way south eastwards. So rain initially across northwestern areas scotland will be not as areas of scotland will be not as heavy as what weve seen over the falling the weekend, but its falling oven the weekend, but its falling over, ground. So over, very saturated ground. So there possibility of some there is the possibility of some further impacts here. Well eventually arrive into southeastern head southeastern areas as we head towards and thursday towards wednesday and thursday with conditions with some cooler conditions following as well. Following on behind as well. Enjoy the rest of your day. Bye bye of fighters with dozens more captured, we could see flames there in the distance on the gaza skyline. Now, earlier on, israels Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu said they will turn anywhere Hamas Terrorists are hiding into, quote, an island of ruins. And he urged the people of gaza to leave those areas. Now, more leave those areas. Now, more than 700 israelis were killed and more than 1500 injured in yesterdays surprise attack by hamas. At least 313 palestinians also died after hamas fired thousands of rockets and gunmen stormed the border. Lieutenant stormed the border. Lieutenant colonel Richard Hecht is the idfs international spokesperson. He described the scene on the ground, the visuals are isil visual