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Emily. Are alongside me as usual. And we also welcome back the self titled wokeist man in Great Britain , benjamin Great Britain, benjamin buttennorth. And our special guest tonight is definitely not the wokeist man in britain. Hello. Leo kearse. Hello. Leo kearse. Hello. Hes definitely not now , as usual, in the first hour now, as usual, in the first hour tonight, each of us gets about a minute to outline our argument about whatever our chosen topic is. Then the rest of us tell them what utter rubbish theyre talking. Then weve got lots more fun in the second hour, including the five of us revealing our very, very unpopular opinions. And weve unpopular opinions. And weve got new for lummox, got a new feature for lummox, the five. Yes. Our producer came up with that one. And as well as your views on all of our topics tonight, we also want your questions, will all be questions, which will all be read and on filtered read out live and on filtered later on show. On later on the show. Later on in the show. Now, do you want to the show. Now, do you want to know if Albie Amankona his middle also starts with an middle name also starts with an a . Does Darren Grimes think about other than about anything other than immigration and the bbc and has benjamin buttennorth ever offered a sensible opinion . You can ask us anything, however outrageous. Do get in touch with us emailing gbviews gbnews. Com. Well get to the best, but before we start tearing each other apart and before we get into all our new features, it is time for your saturday night news with ray addison. News with ray addison. Thanks, emily, and good evening. Our top story tonight , evening. Our top story tonight, nearly 200 palestinians and at least 200 israelis have been killed with more than 1100 injured. This after the hamas terrorist Organisation Launched a surprise attack on israel. For a surprise attack on israel. For those of you watching on tv can see live footage now of the gaza skyline after thousands of rockets were fired and gunmen crossed the border in a deadly assault. Local news reporting that civilians in border towns barricade themselves in their homes and were pleading for help. Hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places, including tunnels. Israels Energy Minister said they would cut off the Energy Supply to gaza for an secretary. James cleverly says the uk will not tolerate terrorism. The uk completely condemns these terrorist acts against israel and we support israels right to self defence. And of course we will be working closely with the israeli government. Were already contacting with them and well continue to do so both to protect british nationals in israel and to try and bring peace as quickly as possible. Peace as quickly as possible. Well , dozens of hamas well, dozens of Hamas Terrorists have been stopped by Israeli Naval personnel, according to israels defence forces. A warning for those of you watching on tv, you may find the following footage distressing. Now, earlier on distressing. Now, earlier on this morning, the idf pursued dozens of terrorists along the southern maritime area as they tried to enter israeli territory via the water. Soldiers opened fire on the militants successfully destroying four vessels. Hamas terrorists were also stopped as they tried to cross into israel along the southern border. Well, back southern border. Well, back here, 260 suspected rapist have been labelled as females by police over the last four years. Thats according to data from the crown prosecution service, which was obtained by the daily telegraph. The classification comes despite the home secretary urging police not to label rape suspects as women as by law it can only be committed by a biological male. The figures show a further 209 suspects were recorded with sex unknown. And recorded with sex unknown. And finally , the british film finally, the british film director, Terence Davies has died aged 77, following a short illness. He came to prominence in the 1970s and 80s with a string of successful films, including distant voices and still lives. Much of his work was drawn from his own experiences growing up as a working class boy in liverpool. More recently, he wrote and directed a quiet passion in which he dramatised the life of american poet emily dickinson. American poet emily dickinson. In this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. Now lets get back to the. Saturday five. Thanks ray. Its saturday night and you are with the saturday five tonight. Im emily carver. Its been pretty hot carver. Its been pretty hot outside today and things are about to get similarly heated in here as we debate some of the biggest topics of the week. And some might have missed. Some that you might have missed. So lets crack with tonights so lets crack on with tonights first hot topic. Now then, darren is going to tell us why he is distinctly unimpressed by the bbcs new jimmy savile drama. Yes its grim time indeed i well go back to 2012. First of all, the year that the bbc decided to throw its own integrity under the bus faster than you can say, like fee robbery. Shortly after glowing eulogies for jimmy savile, the bbcs powerful presenter , pedoe bbcs powerful presenter, pedoe swiftly followed by a domino effect of resignations and accusations. The kicker , though, accusations. The kicker, though, was that newsnight had the ammo it needed for a savile expose, an expose that would have been the journalistic equivalent of a nuclear bomb. But what happened . Nuclear bomb. But what happened . Well, the bbc chickened out faster than a vegan at a butcher shop. Faster than a vegan at a butcher shop. Now here we are with the shop. Now here we are with the beeb, serving us a helpline of historical revisionism. Star and steve coogan, no less , as the steve coogan, no less, as the monster himself. A fascinating monster himself. A fascinating choice, but hey , wheres the choice, but hey, wheres the missing chapter . Beeb wheres missing chapter . Beeb wheres the newsnight probe that got shelved like last years Christmas Decorations . Theyd Christmas Decorations . Theyd rather do the cha cha with their own shame than admit that they let a predator off the hook. Could you imagine being one of those poor souls whod bared their agony to newsnights investigators, only to be told, im sorry, love, but weve decided not to go ahead with the piece. Would you like a cuppa . Talk about adding salt to an already festering wound. Former tory bigwig Iain Duncan Smith has rightly insisted that if the bbc is going to revisit this cesspool , it should be an cesspool, it should be an unfiltered plunge, showing a whole new generation how awful it was by spilling, these are his words, the true story and i say here, here too, that if anti beebs going to give us a rerun of this tawdry tale, its high time that they own up to their partner. It no more sugar coating , no partner. It no more sugar coating, no more partner. It no more sugar coating , no more convenient coating, no more convenient omissions , and certainly no more omissions, and certainly no more pretending that theyre the moral compass of the nation. So bbc, if youre going to make us relive the savile years all over again , then dont dare edit out again, then dont dare edit out your own incompetence and moral failure. Were all footing the bill for this soap opera , so at bill for this soap opera, so at least the very least that you can do is give us the directors cut. The ugly, the uglier, and the downright grotesque. Now, the downright grotesque. Now, benjamin buttennorth , i know benjamin buttennorth, i know youre all for this documentary. You were very pleased with the bbc for doing it, for one. But surely even you can recommend and recommend lies that your beloved, beloved bbc has got it wrong here by not showing that the fact that newsnight had it rare and ready to go. I mean, look, this starts on monday night and well see exactly what they do reveal. Im sure that given that he worked at the bbc for decades, his bbc career and the bbc behaviour is a big part of the story line because thats unavoidable. And i know the papers have said that this is a very well done drama, those who have seen it already, but the idea that you could say that that was the only mistake when charles friends when Prince Charles was friends with Margaret Thatcher was with him, Margaret Thatcher was said one of his biggest said to be one of his biggest fans. Letters fans. And you have letters between both those people between both of those people adonng between both of those people adoring savile. It was the adoring jimmy savile. It was the institutions that protected jimmy savile and protect did his evil. Louis theroux , who made evil. Louis theroux, who made a bbc documentary, got closer than anybody else. And that was aired in the noughties. And hes spoken about his regret about being hoodwinked out of it. But ijust being hoodwinked out of it. But i just quickly make one other point that there will be a lot of people watching who of people watching this who think that because behaviour think that because his behaviour was that was clearly so abhorrent that they make a drama and they shouldnt make a drama and that would be a mistake. By that argument, have argument, we would never have extraordinary films like schindlers. I think schindlers list. I think showing and how it was showing the evil and how it was made possible is a way to try and stop these things happening in future. Well, i mean, leo, i dont think anyone watching this bbc drama on jimmy savile, who potentially may have been a, is going to watch it and think, well, im not going to be a anymore. In the same way that watching schindlers list, you wouldnt think, well, cant wouldnt think, well, we cant make mistakes of the past. Sorry, i dont think anyone thought im going to be a jew murdering and then watch schindlers change schindlers list and change their point is that their mind. The point is that you to not make you see, to not make the mistakes the no ones mistakes of the past, no ones going watch the bbc be going to watch the bbc and be like, oh, well, actually i wont be a anymore. Dory happy days. Jimmy hunky dory happy days. Jimmy savile they might see ways in but they might see ways in which could prevented, but which it could be prevented, but i that we already know i dont see that we already know the up and the the full cover up and the protection of, of man. But protection of, of the man. But as i said, theyre not as i just said, theyre not theyre not airing completely with. I completely agree with you. I completely agree with you. I completely agree with bbc should with you that the bbc should very be shining light on very much be shining a light on their failings when it comes their own failings when it comes to savile. Like when their own failings when it comes to have savile. Like when their own failings when it comes to have othere. Like when their own failings when it comes to have other broadcasters1en their own failings when it comes to have other broadcasters that you have other broadcasters that have similar things going on, they should also too. I think thats fair enough to say. They should also too. I think thats fair enough to say. But we have to see the we will have to see the documents itself, the series, the drama series, sorry. I think weve also got to remember jimmy may remember that jimmy savile may have some terrible things, have done some terrible things, but of best but he made some of the best saturday night tv that has ever been on british terrestrial broadcasting. And i think we broadcasting. And i think we have to we have to remember that. So it was it was it was you cannot miss a jimll fix it know my mother my mother told me that she used to write in every week asking jim to fix it. And do you know what i thank god that he never did, frankly. But it just showed the cultural phenomenon that he was. I was very that leo has come dressed as a 1970s entertainer. As a 1970s entertainer. For those listening on radio benjamins come dressed as one of the victims, ive come as a cabbie, actually, leo got it. So good to have you two back together, going for each other. But on jimmy savile, i think im actually with both emily and ben on one. Darren i do think on this one. Darren i do think its right that the has its right that the bbc has made this a drama. I know there this into a drama. I know there was some controversy about whether or not should be whether or not it should be a drama a document tree, and drama or a document tree, and i wasnt sure about it. But but after giving it some thought, i think theres just something about which allow about drama us which allow people understand exactly about drama us which allow peop|happened stand exactly about drama us which allow peop|happenedstandthan tly what happened more than documents. And actually, there are be some scenes in are meant to be some scenes in this documentary which are pretty actually. Pretty awful to watch, actually. And things that and theyre not things that people normally see. And i think it sometimes it is important sometimes to be able dramatise that so people able to dramatise that so people actually understand the hardship that people went accurate. Do you think should is a do you think it should is a drama series, not a documentary . Do you think there should therefore be creative licence . Or when it comes to something as important as this and what jimmy savile, the crimes that he committed , do you think that it committed, do you think that it should they should stick to exactly what happened . Because exactly what happened . Because people often talk about this when theres royal drama. Yeah. Like the crown. Yeah. Like the crown. Yeah. About licence. They talk about licence. Yeah. Of creative yeah. What level of creative licence is there . , i think ultimately with look, i think ultimately with any drama, theres going to be some licence some creative licence because its creative process. Its a creative process. When you something. And you make something. And of course only people course the only people that actually know exactly what happened jimmy happened might have been jimmy savile people who were savile and the people who were involved. There will some involved. So there will be some level licence and level of dramatic licence and that allowed, but it that should be allowed, but it should something which is should not be something which is a. We should be a total fantasy. We should be trying the facts and trying to stick to the facts and making it as realistic as possible being possible without it being inappropriate for bbc. Bbc has got a pretty good the bbc has got a pretty good track this with track record of doing this with dramas like with three girls, which dealt with the which which dealt with the grooming issue. They grooming gang issue. So they dealt sensitively but dealt with that sensitively but also shy away from some also didnt shy away from some of the worst crimes of the worst at the worst crimes that they committed. Darren, do you actually and darren, do you actually think they shouldnt be think that they shouldnt be doing this, this at all . Doing this, this drama at all . Im on fence that. Im on the fence about that. I do think theres something to be about the bbc marking be said about the bbc marking its failures here. Its own past failures here. Yeah, and actually, perhaps it would have been better for a different broadcast master to have produced Something Like this. Personally, i dont think im going to be able to watch it because i find whole because i just find the whole tale. Utterly gruesome and tale. So utterly gruesome and the there was so much the fact that there was so much establishment collusion and turning a blind what this turning a blind eye to what this man did, but maybe thats why we should be glad that that this drama has made. Drama has been made. And actually, think it and actually, i think it speaks about the bbc speaks volumes about the bbc that to that theyve been willing to take on. That theyve been willing to taknbuton. That theyve been willing to taknbut benjamin, i mean, after but benjamin, i mean, after there was briefly theres an incident on gb news where somebody something somebody said something inappropriate about a woman. People bbc were calling people on the bbc were calling for gb news actually be shut for gb news to actually be shut down. Why is the bbc not down. Why why is the bbc not calling for itself to be shut down . Mean, what jimmy savile down . I mean, what jimmy savile did you know, forgive me, did is, you know, forgive me, but slightly worse. Well, therell be lots of views coming and fast views coming in thick and fast on email about that one. But were to go to albie now were going to go to albie now because albie is going to be asking why minority right wing voters for bigotry. Take voters suffer for bigotry. Take it away, albie. It away, albie. Bigotry is never acceptable. Bigotry is never acceptable. Well, except if you are a right wing ethnic minority or indeed religious minority or lgbt. Q if you are gay and black, well , you you are gay and black, well, you must be self hating or confused or a labour mp like rupert. Hark will say that youre not really black gay and right wing. Youre a self hating transphobe or if youre a hindu and right wing and you dont believe in open borders, the guardian will draw a caricature sure of you, of a of a cow, which is a sacred animal in the hindu faith. Now i believe that bigotry and discrimination are unacceptable. All but its very clear from information that i find found out at the conservative Party Conference earlier on this week that that is not the opinion of many on the left, far from it. In fact, i was told many stories about conservative Party Members who were discriminate against in manchester just for being conservatives. I heard a story conservatives. I heard a story about a young gay man who was ambushed at 3 00 in the morning by a group of five. He was told that he was tories scum and that he should go and f himself off. Thanks for that, Angela Rayner i was told about a group of gay conservatives who were out in the village who were the gay village who were enjoying a drink, quietly getting their own getting on with their own business, then he were getting on with their own businesout then he were getting on with their own businesout of then he were getting on with their own businesout of the bar� were getting on with their own businesout of the bar juste getting on with their own businesout of the bar just for thrown out of the bar just for being conservatives, though it has to my attention has been brought to my attention that a drink may have been thrown as the as the group of people were being thrown out. Some might, some might say good on them. The simple fact of the on them. The simple fact of the matter is bigotry and discrimination are not acceptable. So why is it that left wingers want people like me to submit to the woke dogma . Im to submit to the woke dogma . Im not going anywhere. And to those not going anywhere. And to those people at home who are from ethnic minority backgrounds or gay or from a religious minority who dont submit to the woke dogma , im right behind you to dogma, im right behind you to those to those of you who hate us, were not going anywhere. We us, were not going anywhere. We wont shut up. We wont go away. And well never be left wing. And well never be left wing. Benjamin you must consort with these types of people quite a lot who seem to be very able people. You do . Youre not one people. You do . Youre not one of them yourself. Who seem to be very confused by people like me who will say things like, ill be youre a self hating gay or ill be youre an do you ever tell them to . Not well, i mean, i wouldnt use those words, the latter being racist, in my opinion. But look, frankly, i listened to that monologue and i thought, get over yourself. Actually over yourself. I actually i think is a special place think there is a special place in hell reserved for people from minority pull the minority groups who pull the ladder up after them. When you have has benefited have someone who has benefited from the people that fought racism and let this country be welcoming to immigrants, then making other immigrants and racial minority is be on the receiving end of abuse and empower racists. I think empower the racists. I think theyre be out. Theyre right to be called out. When you people like you when you have people like you who run the lgbt wing of the tories and then watch and clap along as the home secretary targets and abuses trans people whove got nothing to do with her failed policies in government. I think you are a hypocrite. Hypocrite. It what was the abuse of transgender people . Transgender people . By mocking and ridiculing them in the way that when rishi sunak gets up there and essentially says that trans people dont exist , that is not people dont exist, that is not because its didnt say great intellectual remark. He did. He said a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Now what that means is a woman. Now what that means is that you cant change a trans woman. He didnt say a trans woman, but you know full well the only reason says that to appeal reason he says that is to appeal to bigots. To the bigots. Now, thats fine. Hang on. Now, thats fine. Hang on. Hang on to that appeal to people who believe in biological reality, which is the vast majority. M ajority. Majority. Argument but that is the argument im making saying that making that thats saying that transgender people and people that exist know that gender dont exist know they that gender dont exist know the� benjamin, cant. Benjamin, i cant. Benjamin, i cant. Transgender moral superiority here, i think. Albee maybe he needs to get over himself, but i think he makes a good point. I think he makes a good point. I think he makes a good point. I think he makes a very good point that it very that the left find it very uncomfortable to see minorities not support left wing ideology and i think its simple case of bullying. Theyre trying to bullying. Theyre trying to bully them into some kind of submission or to just at least stay quiet. But when he when you have people that support Government Policies that i consider to be bullying, think consider to be bullying, i think rishi bullied transgender rishi sunak bullied transgender people this country with his people in this country with his speech Party Conference. Speech at Party Conference. And i dont know how you, as someone who claims to be a trans ally lgbt group that you ally in an lgbt group that you run, can support that. Im actually interested well, im actually interested in thinks about in what darren thinks about bullying, because i think you are the most are possibly one of the most targeted gay men in targeted right wing gay men in social media, in media in general, because of your political views, how do you feel when you are personally targeted and people like ben say and when people like ben say that you should get over yourself . Benjamin well, i have asked him tweeting me, but you him to stop tweeting me, but you know, does anyway. Know, he does it anyway. And, you know, i actually and, you know, i was actually ive thrown gay bars ive been thrown out of gay bars in newcastle and told that actually its because of my view on the trans debate , which my on the trans debate, which my view putting it plainly and simply, is wear what you want call yourself whatever you like, but man is a man and a woman but a man is a man and a woman is a woman. You are a trans person and therefore know person and therefore you know your biological sex is immutable and cant be changed. Thats my view. Its a Pretty Simple view, but gets you thrown out and but that gets you thrown out and cast by the people that cast out by the people that accuse us of being bigoted and small minded and not diverse enough and all the rest of it. But when it comes to inclusion, you people want to narrow down and have a very small and increasingly narrow world view allowed into establishments that you say are inclusive of people come in here because i, Benjamin Darrow is pitch there of what he believes is that not quite a liberal view. He says biological sex is immutable , but he doesnt care immutable, but he doesnt care if someone wants to present themselves as another gender. Whats the problem with. But he does care because if you support someone like Suella Braverman, who basically constantly tries to paint transgender people as being a threat to biological women, as being a threat to the social fabric as that country thatis social fabric as that country that is bullying and that is unfair , but thats unfair, but thats a misrepresentation. Weve seen biological males exploit gender ideology to get into womens spaces. Nobodys got an issue with genuine trans women in. Its the a lot of people do. And this government empowers those people and, you know, this policy was you couldnt policy was that you couldnt have trans woman in a womens have a trans woman in a womens ward. No one had ever complained about that. Woman who was raped foi the woman who was raped by transgender by a transgender woman complained by a transgender woman con there ed by a transgender woman conthere have been no cases in there have been no cases in 102 nhs trusts and of course someone who is a rapist is the lowest of the low. I dont think every other trans person should live like that. And to come back to point, you know, when to albees point, you know, when people of people talk about sections of the a the black community, a disproportionate number to disproportionate number go to prison. If they were to talk prison. But if they were to talk about your and your about your rights and your quality based on people quality of life based on people that done reprehensible that have done reprehensible things that things and are also black, that would racist, do you would clearly be racist, do you not that these other things not see that these other things supported party you supported by the party you advocate in a advocate for, behave in a similar a similar way . Similar in a similar way . Party that benjamin the party that i advocate introduced same sex advocate for introduced same sex marriage, that marriage, the party that i advocate for voted against advocate for mps voted against party in Northern Ireland in 2019, where was 2019, where there was a conservative for the conservative majority for the policy. The party that i advocate for introduced lgbt relationships, Sex Education in schools , the party that schools, the party that i advocate for. Benjamin every time you go to the clinic and pick up your prep, which i hope you do, by the way, you can thank jeremy hunt and matt hancock for that. Introducing a strategy which is to going reduce, fact, eliminate hiv reduce, in fact, eliminate hiv transmissions by 2030. That is what the party i advocate for and not just words, you know, and notjust words, you know, i mean, youre so sensitive. People are allowed to have different opinions on things. Different opinions on things. Im not sensitive. Im willing to stand opinions on turning up as one the turning up as one of the teletubbies, but i dont go on about it, do i . Well, glad took the joke. I gave ten minutes ago, but look, ben, the flowerpot, man, i dont need medicines dont need those medicines because i dont have a sex life, so doesnt affect me. So it doesnt affect me. Of that. We thats enough of that. We dont to know, do we . Dont want to know, do we . Right. Okay, well, still to come, still to come tonight on that yes. And think that bombshell. Yes. And i think benjamin nice in benjamin looks rather nice in his outfit. Still his orange outfit. Anyway. Still to dale , vince is going to to come, dale, vince is going to stop funding , Just Stop Oil. So stop funding, Just Stop Oil. So well see what leo thinks about that. He reckons there is more than meets the eye to all this. And benjamin will tell what and benjamin will tell us what he labours plans to he makes of labours plans to solve the housing crisis. But next, Angela Rayner wants the hatred to be a hate hatred of women to be a hate crime. Should it be . Its almost time for the carver palaver. Time for the carver palaver. Youre the saturday five live on gb news. Stay with. Theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Gb news radio. Gb news radio. Welcome back to the saturday five cheers. Very much for your emails and your company. On your emails. Maria has written in and maria says thank goodness benjamin has changed out of his deck chair shirt, which she says is just as bad as his jumble sale. Jersey liz well, there we are. Liz well, there we are. Liz well, there we are. Fashion critique on the bbc. Richard has written in and he says the bbc is a hypocritical airbrushing temple of woke. What else do you expect . Adam says, im completely shocked that the bbc thought that a savile drama was the right move. I think a drama could potentially glamorise it. A documentary would provide the proper tone. Would provide the proper tone. Yeah, thats an interesting point. It is, isnt it . And on right wing bigotry, christians written in to say, ill be as right this country has such a serious problem. Anybody who thinks an open borders is not a goodideais thinks an open borders is not a good idea is branded as a racist. Its absolutely stupid and is crippling progress of discussion, which is a good point. On free speech, is it not, albie . Now its time, though , for our next debate. Up though, for our next debate. Up next, its emily. And emily is to going tell us whether labour are getting it right with their plans to make misogyny a hate crime. So shes here. Shes fresh from the kitchen. Its emily with her carver palava. Palava. I was about to say, i dont want misogyny to be a hate crime, but maybe after that one, we should get him banged up anyway. Angela rayner the lovely Angela Rayner has announced that misogyny will be a hate crime under is this what under labour. So is this what women want . But i think its safe to say we certainly dont want rampant, unchecked misogyny, do we . Darren so whats the problem with making misogyny a crime . Why not make it illegal . Surely thats the only way to stop this horrible misogyny and hatred of women. In her speech , rayner gave no real her speech, rayner gave no real explanation as to why. Its a brilliant idea, though. Lets bnanntidea,though. Lets have brilliant idea, though. Lets have a look next. Labour government will amend the equality act to introduce a legal duty for employers to take all reasonable steps to stop Sexual Harassment before it starts. But thats not all we will make misogyny a hate crime i well, there you go. Rapturous applause. But rape is already a crime. Sexual assault is already a crime. Persistent Sexual Harassment is already a crime. Last time i looked. Now the Law Commission looked into this. Commission looked into this. They had an intensive consultation and they came to the conclusion that making misogyny a specific hate crime would not be effective in countering the very real problem of violence, abuse and harassment of females. And it may actually be counterproductive. So what i think we need is better policing, better enforcement of the law and a better resourced just system not piling ever more laws on top of laws. A top on top of other laws now full disclosure, i have a problem, i think, with hate crimes as a concept. If you punch someone in the face and its deemed to have have have had a sexist motive, should it be punished more severely, just by severely, severely, just by virtue that . And who decides virtue of that . And who decides the definition of the Legal Definition of misogyny . Do we then need misogyny . And do we then need misandry to be on the statute books . Im not so sure. But as the great claire fox said in the house of lords, its tokenistic , avoids the real problems that face women and is in like unlikely to help us at all. So there we go. Now hate crimes. Its quite a controversial topic. Darren do you think we need misogyny to be a hate crime . Well, im the proud owner of a non crime hate crime. So which was one of those things that they got rid of hate incident, hate incident . Yes. Hate incident. Thats thats the title of it. Look, i think that this is the infantilization of people, right. Where do we then have a Chilling Effect on comedy . For example . I mean, you comedy . For example . I mean, you might not like a comedy. Im trying to think of a sketch of maybe a roy chubby brown of this world or mother law or a world or mother in law or a mother in law joke anything. Mother in law joke or anything. Misogyny is that misogyny . Misogyny is that misogyny . I just said at the start what i just said at the start there about you being in the kitchen . Joke. You kitchen . Obviously a joke. You werent the kitchen. Youre werent in the kitchen. Youre not good in it. Not very good in it. She is, actually. She is, actually. Ive had her food very, very good. And the point is, does this have a Chilling Effect on speech . Does this have a Chilling Effect where people feel so scared, terrified to say anything that slightly risky for being accused of one of these new words . New words . Ive got to be honest. I am more interested in the fact that the Law Commission actually looked into this very policy and made a recommendation to dominic raab, who was the minister in charge of this issue at the time, which was not to make not to misogyny hate crime. To make misogyny hate crime. Now, this was an independent commission commissioned by the government into this government to look into this very issue and that commission said, not going to said, no, this is not going to help the situation at all. And if look at all the if we look at all the legislation that has been put in place, put crime place, lets put hate crime legislation in first legislation in in the first place, has actually stopped place, has it actually stopped hate no we have actually hate crime . No we have actually seen hate crime in some groups. Lets take against transgender brits, for example , most brits, for example, most recently year in some data recently this year in some data which out transgender hate which came out transgender hate crime 11. The point is, crime is up 11. So the point is, when we legislate against something, it doesnt always end. Problem were end. The problem that were trying and maybe we trying to solve. And maybe we should find means should try and find other means of the problem other of solving the problem other than legislation. Hate dont end in very hate crimes dont end in very many convictions either because. I think albys made made but i think albys made made the complete wrong point because as as a gay person , as you know, as a gay person, the numbers of hate the reason the numbers of hate crimes hate crimes have reported, hate crimes have reported, hate crimes has a lot to crimes have risen, has a lot to do, actually, with people feeling able to report and to pursue some of the things that theyve been on the receiving end you know, im a gay man. End of. You know, im a gay man. Im a practising homosexual male, i empowered by male, and i feel empowered by you practising my i feel empowered by that law. If somebody is abusive to me in the street and i managed to get a hate crime conviction. No, but what about a man who threatened to stab and so let me say to stab me . And so let me say this. We had Wayne Couzens that monster who murdered sarah everard. And from that everard. And we know from that trial all trial that he had written all sorts horrendous messages. Sorts of horrendous messages. What people would call what some people would call jokes, werent funny jokes, but clearly werent funny in whatsapp i think if in Whatsapp Groups. I think if you had a law that said that that kind of behaviour could be confront covid, then you might stop some those monsters stop some of those monsters before they go. Do you think everybody that makes joke at womens expense makes a joke at womens expense is a monster is going to go on to kill someone . Thats the most ridiculous, asinine thing that ive ever heard in my life. I mean, instead of adding more recognise when are behaving in when people are behaving in those ways. Nonsense. And this is a nonsense. And this is a nonsense. Danger of this this is the danger of this kind of we should be scrapping hate laws instead of hate crime laws instead of adding categories them adding more categories to them because abused by the because it can be abused by the state persecute whoever they state to persecute whoever they want. You say , oh look, want. So you can say, oh look, this person made joke in this person made a joke in a whatsapp, even though its a joke know, 80 joke that perhaps, you know, 80 of make or of the population might make or might at this person made might laugh at this person made that it gives the state that joke. So it gives the state an excuse to persecute that person also. I mean, you make a good point. Someone assaults point. If someone assaults someone, as said in my someone, as i said in my monologue, you monologue, there, if i punch you on nose and its because on the nose and its because i you perceive that its because im a homophobe, should i get a longer sentence . Yes. I dont longer sentence . Yes. I dont know. What do you think . Know. What do you think . I dont care why youre punching me in the face. I care that youve punched me in the face. Yes. You know, i want you to go to prison for punching me in the face. I dont want people to prison hurty. Words to go to prison for hurty. Words were concerned were getting too concerned about this country about offence in this country and taken offence. But, darren, there are are criminals and taken offence. But, darren, ther are are criminals and taken offence. But, darren, ther are violentare criminals and taken offence. But, darren, ther are violent towards nals and taken offence. But, darren, ther are violent towards people who are violent towards people because they are gay or because they black or because of they are black or because of their religion. Weve spoken about it on this show before. Exactly. I dont show before. Exactly. So i dont like it when make you like it when people make you make that, oh, make the argument that, oh, its about hurty words. Its not about hurty words. Its not about hurty words. Its not about hurty people are about hurty words. People are im leo. Its not is im sorry, leo. Its not is people are just. Thats not that is not but thats not that is not what are talking about what we are talking about lecture isnt it. Lecture on isnt it. Oh, since we what can straight white be added to straight white men be added to this categories hate crimes . Just you just minimise me you just you just minimise me because im a straight white man, which hate crime. So man, which is a hate crime. So you be in jail because you should be in jail because you should be in jail because you institutional power you have institutional power over someone like me in that case, thats why hate fire exists. Youre im my youre fired. Im using my power. Power. Benjamin should misandry be a hate crime . But the truth, hatred of society isnt structured in that way. Structured in that way. Yes, men have that ability to overpower women in day to day lives. Know, a man lives. You know, find me a man who been wolf, whistled by who has been wolf, whistled by a woman in the street. It who has been wolf, whistled by a woman in the street. It aint happened. What about a man that had been wolf whistle by a man . Well, if you wolf whistle never happened. Never wolf i have never been wolf whistled. Therefore, whistled. And therefore, it clearly your breath, clearly dont hold your breath, love. Clearly dont hold your breath, lowanyway, moving on. Anyway, moving. Moving on. Anyway, moving. Moving on. Vince, hes. Stop dale. Vince, hes. Stop funding. Just stop. Oil and leo kearse thinks that actually theres more to it than meets theres more to it than meets the eye. Find out what that is in a and forget to in a mo. And dont forget to keep your questions coming in for flummox five on for flummox the five later on tonight. Nothing off the tonight. Nothing is off the agenda. Tonight. Nothing is off the agenda. God help us. But next, agenda. God help us. But next, benjamin is going to be talking about labours housing plans. He wants to destroy our green and pleasant land here with the saturday five live on. News newsradio. Welcome back to the saturday five. Welcome back to the saturday five. Thank welcome back to the saturday five. Thank you for your emails to susan. Theres a lot of to susan. Theres a lot of bullying going on for benjamin and his outfit choices. Yes, and his outfit choices. Yes, benjamin benjamins outfit actually looks like hes a Just Stop Oil protester. Oh, there we go. That is quite accurate, to be fair, susan. And terry says leo was dressed like a 70s clown. So there you go. Equal opportunities for you to. Theres no hierarchy here. And on misogyny, says hatred se on misogyny, mike says hatred se should never be a crime in itself. Hatred is normal human itself. Hatred is a normal Human Emotion that should be taken into account a court. But into account by a court. But thatis into account by a court. But that is all. And alistair says if were going to make misogyny that is all. And alistair says if crime, going to make misogyny that is all. And alistair says if crime, then to make misogyny that is all. And alistair says if crime, then we make misogyny that is all. And alistair says if crime, then we need misogyny that is all. And alistair says if crime, then we need toisogyny that is all. And alistair says if crime, then we need to makey a crime, then we need to make misandry crime too. Well, misandry a crime too. Well, thank you much for your thank you very much for your emails. Them coming emails. Keep them coming through. Also, give us your question to question because were going to get very shortly as get to those very shortly as well. Up next, yes , yes, well. But up next, yes, yes, its benjamin and benjamins to going tell us why the time has apparently to goodbye apparently come to wave goodbye to our beautiful countryside. Wait. Hes going to cant wait. How hes going to justify this one . Away you go, benjamin. Yes thats right. I agree with Angela Rayner. The shadow and future housing secretary, who says we need to build new towns and new houses right across britain. Britain doesnt have anything like enough homes for millions of people under the age of 40. The chance of getting on the housing ladder and fulfilling the dream. Thatcher spoke of being a home owner is over. Even really quite owner is over. Even really quite well paid. People if they live in the south east, if they live in the south east, if they live in city like london, cant get on the housing ladder. And i think a lot of boomers dont recognise the damage theyve done. You go back to the 1970s and the average house price was £5,000. The average salary was £1,000. Well, ill tell you what, now its a quarter of £1 million for the average house. If you live in london, youre looking at 6 or 700,000 for a little flat. And that is completely unfair. Now, look, if completely unfair. Now, look, if those rich pensioners who are living in those houses had the decency to let building go ahead, then maybe things would be all right. But the people who got rich living in their big houses are blocking people building. Thats why we need to rip up planning laws. We need to stop caring about the greenbelt. You people that think the view of the golf course is more important my right to important than my right to have a house. Your days are numbered. And lets drown out those and so lets drown out those people moaning house people moaning about House Building sound of building with the sound of diggers britain. Lets diggers across britain. Lets get building. Gosh you sound obnoxious and entitled. No , he sounds like a supply no, he sounds like a supply side reformer. And that is what did you see the hatred . I sound like that exactly. I sound like that exactly. Precise. Only this is exactly what liz truss wanted to do, by the way. Its what theresa may tried to do. They wanted to reform planning regulations to allow more homes and more development to happen in britain. So benjamin, im right behind on this. You sound behind you on this. You sound like thatcherite like a right wing thatcherite and congratulations on coming over the side talking over to the dark side talking about sounds like. About what it sounds like. Sound like someone with you sound like someone with a vehement hatred of old people. Oh, like someone with oh, you sound like someone with a vehement hatred of who a vehement hatred of those who actually nation into actually built this nation into what is today. They didnt what it is today. They didnt sit on their behinds writing for a paper or coming on a newspaper paper or coming on a tv show. They actually put the tv show. They actually put the work in. They sat in their homes. They sat in their homes. Sat in their homes they sat in their homes whilst quantitative went whilst quantitative easing went on saw asset on and they saw their asset pnces on and they saw their asset prices up and they and that prices go up and they and that is how paid. Is how they paid. That is how that is how than what were paying. That is how house prices have risen. People havent worked these people havent worked for houses to up. These for their houses to go up. These people 20, 30 in value. Are you suggesting that im talking about once theyre living the house, the prices living in the house, the prices of houses going up since the year by ten, 20, 30, 40, 50 . Its not. Its not gone up in value because of peoples hard work. What else . What im saying what has happened since the work. What else . What im saying whathats has happened since the work. What else . What im saying whathats caused pened since the work. What else . What im saying whathats caused house since the work. What else . What im saying whathats caused house prices the work. What else . What im saying wigo hats caused house prices the work. What else . What im saying wigo up . S caused house prices the to go up . Weve had mass immigration, immigration to be quite immigration used to be quite a sustainable level in the uk. Come we had over a million come on. We had over a million visas issued last you visas issued last year. You think, everybody just nobody think, oh, everybody just nobody needs to live in house when needs to live in a house when they here. I think i think they come here. I think i think they come here. I think i think they bring a semi detached house with them. Its an absolute nonsense. Coming nonsense. All the people coming into are pushing up into the country are pushing up pnces into the country are pushing up prices for everybody. Think britain is rich i, i think britain is rich because of immigrants. But if you have a problem with that ficher you have a problem with that richer and richer in terms of gdp but not richer in terms of do you have a problem housing with all the greedy landlords who bought houses to rent . Who bought ten houses to rent . And why others cant get and thats why others cant get landlords landlords landlords should and landlords should landlords should and landlords shoand if there were if we had a and if there were if we had a sense able immigration policy, there be masses there wouldnt be the masses clamouring to get into. I can just quote suella so if i can just quote Suella Braverman from her speech at the un, Housing Demand comes un, 45 of Housing Demand comes from immigration. Un, 45 of Housing Demand comes frorthatnigration. Un, 45 of Housing Demand comes frorthatnigratic55 itjust that means 55 of it just comes from the native, from the native. Population im not native. So population im not im not saying 45. Im not saying 45 isnt a large amount. But the majority of Housing Demand. Leo comes from the nafive demand. Leo comes from the native native population and weve not been doing weve not been doing enough to cater for that might come from people who are actually already in the country. Yes. Yes. So nearly half. So nearly half. So nearly half. So lets not just talk about immigration. Immigration, no, immigration is clearly the main driver of housing. You 45 of it, 45. Its not the major thing. Its not the majority are you are you nuts . So, like weve got weve got the people, all the people in the people, all the people in the country, all the people in the country, all the people in the country, all the people in the country that are already here are just driving 55 of Housing Demand. So thats i mean, to me, thats thats an insane amount for just the small proportion that are coming into the country driving 45. I did my degree is actually i think albie did the London School of economics, place school of economics, a place that has overseas students that has 70 overseas students close that down and turn it into flats. It has it has it has the highest graduate income of any university in the country. Produces that it produces people that create businesses billions create businesses worth billions of pounds some cases, and of pounds in some cases, and that immigrants do. That is what immigrants do. Yeah, i, i pay a lot of tax and happily so. But i tell you what, its still hard to get on the housing ladder because youve got houses. Got people hoarding houses. Youve people who dont have youve got people who dont have a Family Living in a five bed house. Up and downsize. God. Mean god. Mean god. Well, a big reason why people dont sell when they want to dont sell up when they want to is because stamp duty, which is because of stamp duty, which is because of stamp duty, which is punitive and other is hugely punitive and other reasons to also because dont reasons to also because we dont have supply of the right have enough supply of the right types of homes for older people when they do want to leave. But there is no point denying that despite the great things that come with immigration, that it has had an absolutely huge impact on housing. Its as simple as supply and demand. Simple as supply and demand. Its economics 101. But i imagine you didnt study economics at the lse. So no, its just ludicrous to deny that thats an issue. And the problem is successive governments have seemed to think that they can have record levels of immigration only build a immigration and only build a couple of hundred thousand houses each year. Its absolutely absurd. Sorry absolutely absurd. And im sorry governments that. Governments didnt believe that. Its hang let its young people. Hang on, let me its young people who me finish. Its young people who are so pro almost open borders. And think need to and i think they need to actually think about what actually have a think about what theyre saying because its pushing up prices. Look at rental prices. Its not governments. Youve got people lining their pockets with werthers originals, blocking being blocking new houses from being built. But built. And im sorry, but i think they should be confronted on. On. I agree with nimbyism is wrong and agree that planning wrong and i agree that planning regulations to be looked regulations need to be looked at. Think youre in denial. I think you need to leave in any river alone. There we are. Right . Still ahead tonight, very good. Were going to be revealing our most controversial opinions in answering in the truth hurts and answering viewer questions the viewer questions in flummox. The five. Next its leos five. But next up, its leos lament he has dale vince lament and he has dale vince firmly in his sights. Youre with the saturday five live on gb news. Welcome back to the saturday five. Ive got some more emails from you on misogyny which was what my palava was about, anthony says. I grew up with the expression sticks and stones may break my bones. Words cannot hurt me. What has happened to create this ever so Sensitive Society . I guess you can put that one to benjamin buttennorth. Sensitive, isnt. Hes awfully sensitive, isnt he labour doesnt he . Alan says labour doesnt even know what a woman is, so how can they make a how can they make misogyny a hate crime . Yes this could open a barrel a can of worms, not a barrel of a can of worms, not a barrel of a can of worms, not a barrel of worms. A can of worms. I think with the whole trans debate, green belt trans gender debate, green belt says we must never, ever , says an we must never, ever, ever build on the green belt. There are plenty of brownfield sites that need to be redeveloped current redeveloped within current villages, and very villages, towns and cities. Very good point. Rosie says we good point. And rosie says we should exploring we should be exploring how we can build underground. Oh, lots of innovative projects. Benjamin wood looking at what we can do there, should we send benjamin with a digger . Wont. So i wont. So i wont. I wont bully you anymore, but send leo underground. But lets send leo underground. Then at least cant do well, then at least youll be able to see me in this outfit. Well, yeah, right. But it is time for debate. Time for our next debate. Indeed. Indeed. Up next, kearse with up next, its leo kearse with his on dale. Vinces his take on dale. Vinces decision stop funding. Decision to stop funding. Just stop oil. Away you go, leo. So dale vince is the millionaire finance backer of Just Stop Oil i at least he was until recently. Hes decided that hes recently. Hes decided that hes going to get more impact in green policy if he funds labour instead and directs his resources there. And everybodys like, oh, dale vince. Oh, hes such a good guy. He just wants everything. Everything. He wants to save the environment. Thats nonsense. Dale vince is just worried about the bottom line. Hes a business man. Hes worth over £100 million under the last labour government. He donated £1. 5 million to them and got £36 million in subsidies in return. Million in subsidies in return. Thatis million in subsidies in return. That is the best investment. A businessman could possibly make. Hes not trying to save the environment. Hes trying to line his pockets. And even funding his pockets. And even funding just stop. Oil was just was was a way to try and make it seem as if the public theres this pubuc if the public theres this public surge of support for green policies the that was so strong that people were throwing themselves into the roads. No, hes paying them. Hes paying them to do that. And what i dont understand is when some people are being arrested for saying they want to encourage or want to fund criminal anality, for example, cutting down ulez cameras, theyre apprehended by the police. Why is dale vince not being apprehended by the police as well for funding Just Stop Oil. So dale, vince i think hes a fraud and a phoney and hes a fraud and a phoney and hes just out for himself. Hes just out for himself. Did he really get £36 million, what, directly to his business for subsidies . Ecotricity yeah. And then he got subsidies from the tory government as well because obviously theyre just like these days. Like labour these days. You think hes a grifter basically. See all this . All the green energy stuff is supported by subsidies. While i think subsidies. And while i think its were its great that were transitioning to oil and gas sales, sustainable renewable energy, because i dont want to give to the give to money russia or to the middle east oil. I mean, middle for east oil. I mean, i think its ridiculous to be to be handing money hand over fist to to these people. And to these to these people. And its mean, is like its its i mean, it is like its sheer graft at this point when somebody is enriching themselves to point. To that point. Mean, leo, if you were in i mean, leo, if you were in charge of sunak campaign, charge of rishi sunak campaign, would now be saying on dale . Would you now be saying on dale . Vince, look, this proves. Vince, look, what this proves. Just stop oil labour party, theyre both the same thing. Yeah, exactly , exactly. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And if youre worried about corruption, i mean, heres heres a prime example of buying government influence. I mean, i think thats highly dubious. And completely untrue. And im sure dale , vince would and im sure dale, vince would would aggressively disagree with that refute it. And that and refute it. And the truth is that actually, you know, the idea youre trying to paint stop as some paint Just Stop Oil as some establishment organisation is clearly absurd. Well, theyre richer than i am. This is someone whos put his money where his mouth is to fund this is someone whos put his mgroupnhere his mouth is to fund this is someone whos put his mgroup thatshis mouth is to fund this is someone whos put his mgroup thats trying uth is to fund this is someone whos put his mgroup thats trying t01 is to fund this is someone whos put his mgroup thats trying to take fund this is someone whos put his mgroup thats trying to take on|nd a group thats trying to take on the quo. The the status quo. The establishment is the massive Oil Companies fund the tory party. Theyre committing crimes , theyre committing crimes, final acts to pursue their agenda. Final acts to pursue their agenda. Theyre not just, you agenda. Theyre not just, you know, people in the know, stopping people in the street asking take street and asking them to take a leaflet. Theyre just stop. Oil does a lot of things and theyve clearly worked because everyone now theyve clearly worked because everyo what now theyve clearly worked because everyo what just now theyve clearly worked because everyo what just stop now theyve clearly worked because everyo what Just Stop Oil now theyve clearly worked because everyo what Just Stop Oil is now knows what Just Stop Oil is theyve highlighted the campaign. It hasnt worked hang on. It hasnt worked because weve got licences because weve got new licences in well thats in the north sea. Well thats because got party because youve got a tory party who funded, paid and funded who is funded, paid and funded by the oil industry. Sorry, benjamin, have you got gas boiler . Benjamin gas boiler. How you do. So you also make how would you, how would you take your 18 flights or how many flights a year or how many flights a year or how many flights taken this year flights youve taken this year if stopped oil . If we Just Stopped Oil . Look, i get it. You are pro net zero. You support Just Stop Oil. But youre not actually youre youre not actually youre not youre not actually doing whatever doing anything. Well, whatever you do, you defend your defending. Youre defending net zero, you at the zero, benjamin. But you at the same time took 18 flights. So you boasted in the green room, youre not doing anything to get to net zero. Youve got worse Carbon Footprint than emma thompson. Hang on. Well, hang on. Well, hang on. Just lived. Ive just ive just lived. Ive just lived with a tribe in the ocean, so i achieve for so i achieve net zero for a week. I lived off trees a week. You a bike too hard. But you ride a bike too hard. But look, you know, the serious point that we need to point here is that we need to develop technologies that point here is that we need to devel that technologies that point here is that we need to devel that techrlikejies that point here is that we need to devel that techrlike flightst point here is that we need to devel that techrlike flights or mean that things like flights or cars have the damage that cars dont have the damage that they do. Right now. Now, vince is right now. Now, dale vince is a who runs companies. A man who runs companies. You named ecotricity, runs named ecotricity, who runs companies us do that. Companies that help us do that. We be supporting him. We should be supporting him. Governments should be giving we should be supporting him. Govern to nts should be giving we should be supporting him. Govern to companies be giving we should be supporting him. Govern to Companies Like iving we should be supporting him. Govern to Companies Like that. Money to Companies Like that. Do think that the do you think that the government should be subsidising companies because his Company Companies because if his company had decent Business Model and had a decent Business Model and there was demand, why would they need subsidies . Didnt say subsidies. Well, i didnt say subsidies. Well, i didnt say subsidies. I said thats funding. I said thats funding. Well, because first of well, no, because first of all, might in ideas all, you might invest in ideas such as research and development that do this. And, you know, that do this. And, you know, government has Big Government obviously has a big sway in lots of contracts. And the is that the idea that the truth is that the idea that you think that that the you think that that is the corruption and the dodgy part of british politics is complete nonsense. That is corruption , that is that is corruption, that is money flowing, that is money, government influence being political influence being bought, somebody receiving bought, and somebody receiving huge amounts of largesse in return. Return. Leo might be a surprise leo this might be a surprise to you, but some people actually believe in things. Interested in the emily im interested in the point you were just making. Are you government you anti the government subsidies using Innovative Companies . Um, i think its very companies . Um, i think its very difficult because the government will choose often those with the loudest voices or those who already have the most influence. So its unlikely that theyre going to be giving subsidies to a lot of newcomers and start ups that dont happen to have whatever power this guy has , whatever power this guy has, whatever power this guy has, whatever del vince has, or in other areas. So i worry that they pick winners and they dont always get it right when it comes subsidies. But no, im comes to subsidies. But no, im not against the government investing research and investing in research and development and giving Companies Investing in research and dev chancent and giving Companies Investing in research and dev chance to and giving Companies Investing in research and dev chance to sortgiving Companies Investing in research and dev chance to sort ofing Companies Investing in research and dev chance to sort of putCompanies Investing in research and dev chance to sort of put theiranies the chance to sort of put their hat in the ring when it comes to some funding. But i do worry about the broad scale subsidies i im against it. Governments are terrible at allocating money. Thats why the soviet union failed. Well, america , union failed. Well, america, becca rose is ridiculous. And becca rose is ridiculous. And from my experience seeing the Arts Council Funding comedy, they always pick the absolute worst comedians. If theyre doing that across the science and technology sectors, then theyll picking the worst theyll be picking the Worst Companies in the world. Theres the argument theres also the argument that companies that cant that Bad Companies that cant sustain on own sustain themselves on their own should it makes way should die because it makes way for companies to grow in for other companies to grow in their place. And also , how can their place. And also, how can they decide which technology is going to be the future winner . They cant really, but if you are, i mean, its really that difficult to groups of difficult to when groups of entrepreneurs pitch to entrepreneurs go and pitch to venture capitalists, for example, theres a scheme called innovate example, theres a scheme called inn they know what theyre they know what theyre talking no, but but talking about. Well, no, but but they with their own money. So theyre doing theyve so theyre doing it. Theyve got skin in the game. Got some skin in the game. Governments dont allocate money like that. No government is somebody spending somebody else spending somebody elses money on stuff they have no and thats why no clue about. And thats why governments terrible governments are terrible at spending money. Gone off on a but youve gone off on a tangent because solar power and those what we need, right . Well, yeah. Well, yeah. Good with your flight, good luck with your flight, with the solar power. Well, thats it for our first hour tonight. But theres plenty more to come. Saturday five, come. On the saturday five, were answering were going to be answering all of questions flummox the of your questions in flummox the five. Keep emailing five. So do keep emailing in gbviews gbnews. Com. A gbviews gbnews. Com. Well have a great guest tell us how great guest along to tell us how you make over 100 grand by you can make over 100 grand by being left a whatsapp being left out of a Whatsapp Group. Its coming up and more. Youre watching the saturday five on gb news. Well. Its saturday night. Welcome. Back to the saturday welcome. Back to the saturday five cheers. Very much for your company. Im Darren Grimes, along with Albie Amankona emily carver , benjamin buttennorth and carver, benjamin buttennorth and lucas lords. More on the show coming up. What have we got for you . Well, were going to you . Well, were going to discuss the plumber who got a 130 grand payout forjust being 130 grand payout for just being left out of a work Whatsapp Group, not bad work. If you get it. Were to going reveal our unpopular opinions in a brand new feature. Cant wait to see benjamin struggle with that one. Now and dont forget that weve also got flummox the five. Im excited for this one. We want your questions tonight. Theyre flying in already and we will be answering them live and on scripted later on this hour. Possible questions could be anything from should hs2 be extended to scotland so we can send leo kearse back home and please, has anyone out there got anything positive to say about benjamins top . Nothing is off limits tonight. Get in touch by emailing gbviews gbnews. Com. You can also tweet us as well at gb news. Facebook us whatever it is. Your social media of choice. But before we start another hour of chaos, it is your saturday night news with ray addison. Night news with ray addison. Our top story tonight, 200 palestinians and at least 200 israelis have been killed with more than 1100 injured after the hamas terrorist Organisation Launched a surprise attack on israel. Israel. Those of you watching on television can see live footage of the gaza skyline soon after thousands of rockets were fired and gunmen crossed the border in and gunmen crossed the border in a deadly assault. Local news reported. Civilians in border towns barricading themselves in their homes and pleading for help. Hamas says israeli help. Hamas says israeli captives are being held in secure places , including secure places, including tunnels. Israels Energy Minister said they would cut off the Energy Supply to gaza. The Energy Supply to gaza. Foreign secretary James Cleverly says the uk will not tolerate terrorism. The uk completely condemns these terrorist acts against israel and we support israels right to self defence and of course we will be working closely with the israeli government. Were already contact with them and will continue to do so , both to continue to do so, both to protect british nationals in israel and to try and bring peace as quickly as possible. Peace as quickly as possible. Dozens of Hamas Terrorists have been stopped by Israeli Naval personnel, according to israels defence forces. The warning for those watching on television, you may find the following footage distressing. Earlier this morning, the idf pursued dozens of terrorists along the southern maritime area as they tried to enter israeli territory via the water. Soldiers opened fire on the militants, successfully destroying four vessels. Hamas terrorists were also stopped as they tried to cross into israel along the southern border. Well, along the southern border. Well, its a breaking news this evening. A significant quantity of what is thought to be cocaine has been discovered off the coast of dorset and hampshire. The National Crime agency is investigating after a fisherman discovered holdalls containing hundreds of kilos of powder in the sea off saint aldhelms point and durdle door in purbeck more washed up on a beach on the isle of wight. The nca says the class a drugs would have originated in south america. Originated in south america. Theyre urging the public to report any similar packages to their local police force. 260 their local police force. 260 suspected rapists have been labelled as females by police over the last four years. Thats to according data from the crown prosecution service, which was obtained by the daily telegraph. The classified action comes despite the home secretary urging police not to label rape suspects as women as by law it can only be committed by a biological male. The figures show a further 209 suspects were recorded as sex unknown. And recorded as sex unknown. And finally, the british film director, Terence Davies has died aged 77, following a short illness. He came to prominence in the 1970s and 80s with a string of successful films, including distant voices and still lives. Much of his work was drawn from his own experiences growing up as a working class boy in liverpool. More recently, he wrote and directed a quiet passion in which he dramatised the life of american poet emily dickinson. American poet emily dickinson. This is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying, play gb news. Now lets get back to all five of them. Get back to all five of them. Cheers. Welcome back to the saturday five. Now were going to tackle the thorny issue of work Whatsapp Groups. So stay tuned for that. But first, its time for the truth hurts. Its the part of the show where we all reveal our most unpopular opinions. Yes , the time has come to yes, the time has come to think the unthinkable and say the unsayable. The unsayable. Were going out of our comfort zone to those dark places in our psyche. We only normally visit after a particularly painful keir starmer speech who could possibly lead the way as we embark on this journey into the unknown . Ben buttennorth what is your unpopular opinion tonight . Your unpopular opinion tonight . Well, as you observe, i think ive had six months of unpopular opinions on this show. But look, i not going to sound i know im not going to sound like i old people and like i hate old people and i dont. But you aint going dont. Okay . But you aint going to a bus pass at 60 if im to get a bus pass at 60 if im running the country right. Who cares that youre its not cares that youre 60 . Its not the retirement age. Youre not so old that you cant sort of walk and mobilise. In most peoples idea that peoples cases, the idea that youre getting free travel in london the tube, discounts on london on the tube, discounts on the trains, free bus pass. The trains, a free bus pass. I think theres gravy bus of free travel needs do know what travel needs to do you know what my just texted me saying my mum just texted me saying justin my mum just texted me saying just in the break saying bitter bean really hates old people because this is the thing you make sometimes make very sensible points because i dont think all over 60 need free bus passes , but you make them in passes, but you make them in such a bitter and twisted way. Well, i dont think 60 year olds are old. Im sure theyll be pleased to get to hear that. Thats why they shouldnt. Thats why they shouldnt. You know whats to but you know whats going to happen as he gets to 60, happen as soon as he gets to 60, hell be making all the demands that criticises. That he criticises. Now, ill to make now, ill be lucky to make it, but yeah, youll get all the freebies. Think that is one freebie i think that is one freebie that we need to act. And know thats unpopular and i know thats unpopular because they all like the free travel. All right, thats enough of you, for your you, leo. Its time for your unpopular opinion. Unpopular opinion is oh, my unpopular opinion is that basically we people, people always say hunting, always come in and say hunting, shooting, shooting, shooting, grouse, shooting, things the things like that are bad for the environment, animals. Environment, bad for animals. Actually, and shooters environment, bad for animals. Act|fantastic. And shooters environment, bad for animals. Act| fantastic. Conservationists; are fantastic. Conservationists the steward, the land. And make the steward, the land. And make sure it can be where these animals can live and thrive. And animals can live and thrive. And it provides a great environment for various other rare flora and fauna. And with the grouse moors in particular, if they werent being used for grouse shooting , being used for grouse shooting, the next most lucrative use for the next most lucrative use for the land usually blanket the land is usually blanket coniferous which coniferous forestry, which poisons acidifies poisons the soil acidifies watercourses downstream affects the ecosystem far away from. Youve looked into this, leo would you approve of trophy hunting then . Of course. Yeah. Trophy hunting in africa sustains the environment in that area and puts a lot of money into into the local economy and i think its an absolute nonsense that you take that you take that economy away and take that environment away. People have to make a living and people have to make a return off the land. Sorry for killing endangered species like the white rhino and elephants in south africa and botswana, you think is a good thing . Ill be. How do you think youre going to stop them from being endangered and youre going to by shooting them to create habitat. Create habitat where they can live and where they can breathe and where they can thrive we are they can thrive anyway, we are on darrens. On to darrens. We havent got for we havent got all day for these. These to be these. These have got to be quick and snappy. Thats the name of the game. Darren, whats your know what i want your do you know what i want emily raise the voting age. Emily to raise the voting age. Dont people like i dont want people like benjamin and include myself in benjamin and i include myself in that i think that because actually i think im him. That because actually i think im i, him. That because actually i think im i, i him. That because actually i think im i, i would him. That because actually i think im i, i would givelim. That because actually i think im i, i would give up. I, i would give up. I, i would give up. I, i would give up. I would give up my right to vote to ensure that people like him who hate old people cant get way because old get their own way because old people sensible decisions. People make sensible decisions. How are talking . How old are we talking . I think we should like 60 . No i think we should make it 50. Like 60 . No i think we should ma and 50. Like 60 . No i think we should ma and at. Like 60 . No i think we should ma and at a property and at a property qualification stop people qualification to stop people like having the vote. Like you from having the vote. There we go. The truth well, there we go. The truth about Darren Grimes free speech credentials. Speech. Speech. Speech. Say what you want. I give you free licence this show, but free licence on this show, but i dont think you should be able to vote no. I agree with benjamin here. Youre i mean, thats destroyed my of you. The state. My opinion of you. The state. And it was already bad. An evil dictator would just in dictator would just come in and abuse law to stop people voting. Well, sir keir starmer being one of them, he wants to lower it to 16. That is gerrymandering, well, that is gerrymandering, in yeah, well , people in my view. Yeah, well, people with benjamin with worse opinions and benjamin buttennorth are going to get a c. Buttennorth are going to get a c, i do. Well he said the unthinkable. He the unthinkable. He said the unsayable so going to unsayable. So im going to ask myself unpopular opinion myself what my unpopular opinion is. Look, we dont is. And i think, look, we dont say you enough to all the say thank you enough to all the rich people in this country who fund right. We need Fund Everything right. We need to say thank you for paying all your tax bill. Thank you and keeps us nhs going. It keeps our roads relatively be surfaced in a nice way, you know. I mean the potholes probably need some work, but you know, it keeps the teachers going and you know what . They pay a lot of tax. Are you thanking your parents in particular . Emily no , im in particular . Emily no, im thanking every person who has paid, you know, the top 1 of pay paid, you know, the top 1 of pay Something Like a third of all income tax , we should say. All income tax, we should say. Thank you. Thank you. Im sorry. Thank you. Im sorry. Thank you. Thank you. I will not be grateful to the greedy. I think its the poorest. We should be saying thank you to. Because the fact saying thank you to. Because the facioh, do you enjoy a payslip, benjamin . The fact they havent had an uprising try and get some of uprising to try and get some of the money back, thats miracle. But emily is right that about 30 of all tax revenue is 30 of all tax revenue taken is from band of tax, at from the top band of tax, at least income tax. Income tax . Well, i think emilys been unpopular enough after that one. Benjamin, the yes. Benjamin, you see, the poor to the poor should uprise to take the money as if its their money. Do you not believe in Property Rights . Individual Property Rights . You think all property is that why is communal . I mean, is that why youre like that . So youre dressed like that . So nobody steals your clothes. Youre dressed like that . So noi its steals your clothes. Youre dressed like that . So noi its richrls your clothes. Youre dressed like that . So noi its rich coming clothes. Youre dressed like that . So noi its rich coming from as. Youre dressed like that . So noi its rich coming from you. Youre dressed like that . So noi those h coming from you. Youre dressed like that . So noi those listening from you. Youre dressed like that . So noi those listening onym you. Youre dressed like that . So noi those listening on radio,|. For those listening on radio, believe me, hes not going to leg stand on. Leg to stand on. Can probably hear this they can probably hear this on fair. On radio, to be fair. I its no wonder you i mean, its no wonder you support trophy hunting because its lucky no one wants to chop that and it on the wall. All right, thats enough of that. Lets sorry. Its really funny. Okay. Alvy, what is your on . Ive got ive got an unpopular about victoria beckham. She David Beckham have she and David Beckham have got Netflix Documentary got a new Netflix Documentary out where basically she claims to working class even though to be working class even though that her class, even though her grand grandfather, even though her father drove her to school in a rolls think we can in a rolls royce. I think we can get funny clip of that video. Get a funny clip of that video. But im arguing that victoria is right. You can drive to school in royce. We in a rolls royce. Should we watch class . Lets watch the working class . Lets watch the clip. A very working working class. A very working working class. Honest. Be honest. Be honest. I am being honest. I am being honest. Honest. Did your dad drive you to school . School . So my dad. No, my dad was it. So my dad. No, my dad was it. Its not a simple answer because did you get your dad to drive . It depends. It depends. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. In the 80s, my dad had a rolls royce , but its true. Rolls royce, but its true. Because if you are. If youre because if you are. If youre working class done good. You are someone thats born into a working class household. And then start a business, you then you start a business, you earn money be able to earn enough money to be able to drive to school in drive your daughter to school in a royce. Course, youre a rolls royce. Of course, youre still working class. Dont still working class. You dont suddenly class suddenly become upper class because started company because you started a company and money to buy and have enough money to buy a nice car. How does does this last how long does does this last for . How many generations . I mean, i still a miner . Mean, am i still a coal miner . This absolute nonsense. This is an absolute nonsense. Yeah, its elon musk still working class. Yes. Yes. I mean, thats good i mean, thats a good question. I suppose the argument that making that you that im making is that if you are born into a certain class, just because you earn a certain amount money. Benjamin all of amount of money. Benjamin all of amount of money. Benjamin all of a sudden you dont jump up to a sudden you dontjump up to being. You saying if you being. Are you saying if you happen to have a cockney accent, youll always be working class . Sorry, if you because im sorry, but if you look generations of most look at generations of most peoples who have ended peoples family who have ended up class couple up middle class only a couple of generations back, you know, there grandparents there are their grandparents were stairs and were working under stairs and benjamins a good example of this because he started off really class and now he really working class and now he directs tribes in some jungles. Now hes snoozeville, arizona. I was born into a councillor state in macclesfield, then state in macclesfield, and then i a place called i moved to a place called alderley with Alderley Edge and grew up with the beckhams as my neighbours. So that class is complicated. Anyone can make but anyone can make it, but i think theres something to be said there are lots of said that there are lots of middle class people who like to cosplay as working class because its yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah. Well true. Well yeah. Well thats true. But youre evidence anyone but youre evidence that anyone can make in this country. Can make it in this country. Okay its time for our first guest of this evening. And for some reason, darren, a story about being left out of Whatsapp Groups has caught your attention. Why has it indeed . Why has it indeed . Because anyone who doesnt recognise the cold, lonely feeling you get when you think youve been left out of a thriving Whatsapp Group, which of course benjamin can identify, he still doesnt know that weve actually got saturday five actually got a saturday five whatsapp. Whatsapp group. But anyway, now it turns out you can make money out of it. So benjamin is going to be in the plumber mark the money after plumber mark brosnan more than brosnan was awarded more than £130,000 in compensation in having not been included in a group which contained important safety information. Well with me now to discuss this is the barrister and Employment Law specialist astra amir astra. Thank you very much for your time. Can you tell us briefly a little bit about this case and what the background was to it . Hello. Yes. So mr brosnan, as you said, was a plumber , and he you said, was a plumber, and he had he had a work injury. He injured his back. And as injured his back. And as a result , had a injured his back. And as a result, had a disability and he was off sick. And what his was off sick. And what his employer decided to do was to make a Whatsapp Group for all the employees and to impart Important Information on that. And part of it, which was health and safety information. And they decided to leave him out because he was off sick. And now so he brought a claim and it wasnt just because he was left out of the Whatsapp Group. He brought a claim for constructive dismissal and loads of other things. But the employer didnt turn up to court and they could have tried to justify leaving him out. They to justify leaving him out. They didnt dispute the evidence and he won his case. And as you said , for the overall case, he was awarded £130,000. So there are a couple of things that we can take from that case. First of all, its not everybody who is going to be left out of a Whatsapp Group is going to be able to get £130,000 from it. Its very much on its own facts. Its very much on its own facts. It was just one small element of his claim and the employer didnt dispute it. He didnt they didnt try to defend it. They didnt try to defend it. The other thing that we should take away from it is that its not binding on other courts. So just because this person was just because this person was just because this person was found to have been discriminated against, because he was left out , that doesnt mean that every other court has to make the same decision. It was only an employment tribunal. What does this mean then . So what does this mean then . So what does this mean then . Have you had businesses getting in touch with you saying, oh my goodness , im saying, oh my goodness, im worried now that i havent got all of my staff in a single Whatsapp Group and theyre worried about extra additional cost all the rest of cost burdens and all the rest of it. Is this something that businesses should be concerned about . This , you know, fear about . Is this, you know, fear of missing out being a problem that actually impacts the balances of Company Books . Balances of Company Books . Absolutely. Thats a really good question. It does raise a lot of wider issues of having Whatsapp Groups. And i think since the pandemic and since people started working from home, there have been theres been an exponential rise in Whatsapp Groups for employees because people need to keep in touch , etcetera. And the touch, etcetera. And the difficulty for employers with Whatsapp Groups is that there unlike work emails or internet usage, they cant really control them and they cant monitor them because theyre on peoples private phones. So the employer private phones. So the employer might not necessarily know that there is a Whatsapp Group until something goes wrong. Yeah. And something goes wrong. Yeah. And something goes wrong. Yeah. And so they have they have less control over that. And if somebodys left out , if the somebodys left out, if the reason theyre left out is one of the protected reasons in the equality act. So for example, if theyre left out because of their race or their gender, then that could be discrimination. But theres also the issue that there could be bullying or there could be harassment. So, for could be harassment. So, for example, there was there was another case in 2019 and somebody set up a Whatsapp Group and they they decided it was somebody called mr case , set up somebody called mr case, set up a Whatsapp Group, and he decided there was one employee he didnt like. So he left her out, right. And then he started making some comments about her when the employer found out they sacked mr case and the employment tribunal found that they were right to do that because what mr case had done was bullying behaviour. So what the employer really has to do is make sure that they have a policy in place , a whatsapp policy and they have to say what is and what isnt acceptable. Another thing to think about, you know, businesses have got a lot on their plate, havent they . But strohmier, thank you very much for your time and your explanation there that was the astro me, the barrister and employment on Employment Law specialist on whatsapp. Now this is quite worrying, is it not . Well, im worried to find out. Theres a Whatsapp Group and im not in it. Darren thats whats. Well i havent got £130,000 to im afraid. To give you, im afraid. Am but i mean, do you think this is fair . Because actually this is about a health issue that he wasnt aware of because it was shared in that way. And you know what . Employers have a responsibility to give out the same everyone same information to everyone that them. That works with them. Guess in that context yes. I guess in that context , its fair. But i mean, the idea, though, that businesses , its fair. But i mean, the ide. Going|gh, that businesses , its fair. But i mean, the ide. Going |gh, thathaving sses , its fair. But i mean, the ide. Going|gh, thathaving to as are going to start having to say, oh, dear, i dont think linda from accounts is in this whatsapp. I mean, why told Whatsapp Group. I mean, why told her why . Well i have why i sent out, thankfully we havent got a linda an account but why would actually we add additional burdens onto employers is this not all getting a bit silly . There is so many hoops that employers have to go through and so many potential legal cases that can be brought for discrimination. And its they end up paying these big payouts to just not go through the rigmarole of the court process. Often in. But i will say that these groups not whatsapp, but groups that Companies Use like team games and slack and various others can be hotbeds of nastiness. Do you remember the monzo story this was with the whole de banking scandal of nigel farage, monzo, which is a digital bank. Fantastic bank. But they were found to have had all of these awful conversations going on on, i think teams or slack it was reported anyway and this is what happens you can have bullying through the digital. You know, through the digital. You know, your boss can be slagging you off to someone else and its not monitored. But this is this is well, this is the thing with with whatsapp and with other Digital Media you can you can see things you can make comments about people that you make about people that you maybe make in in the past. In the pub in the past. Now youre putting them in whatsapp there is a whatsapp and then if there is a legal during disclosure legal case during the disclosure part of when the legal teams part of the when the legal teams are gathering all the data, they can request all the logs from all these things and then, you know, stuff can be revealed that can get you into trouble. Can really get you into trouble. I think whats interesting is where the digital and the where does the digital and the physical physical end and where does life and personal life does work life and personal life end , you know, slack and teams, end, you know, slack and teams, they are they business chat they are they are business chat functions. Whereas whatsapp, yes, some people might have a Whatsapp Group for work, but they also have a Whatsapp Group for their friends. And there might be a group of people who Work Together who also Work Together who are also friends, a whatsapp friends, who make a Whatsapp Group. How do decide group. So how do you decide whether its an appropriate group. So how do you decide whether it grouprppropriate group. So how do you decide whether it grouprppinappropriate . Whatsapp group or inappropriate . Go. These well, there you go. These tribunals clearly decide. Still to tonight , tribunals clearly decide. Still to tonight, dont miss your to come tonight, dont miss your chance to flummox the five. Were questions were taking your questions unfiltered the end of the unfiltered at the end of the show. Were going to show. But next, were going to tackle five topics in bunch of five. Include bedbugs five. And they include bedbugs invading france, pets being invading from france, pets being urged to go vegan and people getting charged just for sitting in deck chairs. This is britain. This is saturday, five live on gb news. Stay with gb news radio. Gb news radio. Welcome back to the saturday five. Plenty of emails as always. Barbara says. This is on our unpopular opinions, which were quite unpopular. Some of them, barbara says. Obviously benjamin buttennorth is so london centric , he doesnt london centric, he doesnt realise only londoners get free travel. At 60, the rest of us in more rural areas have to wait until were 66 years old to get free travel on a service that barely exists. So how good. Barely exists. So how good. There you go. There you go. Theres your response. Barbara joe, as benjamin keeps saying, im picking on you. Sorry. As benjamin keeps pointing everything towards our Elderly Population, how best can we can we actually deal with this section in our society . Are you talking about how we deal with the benjamin buttennorth section or the or the Elderly Population . Not and on population . Im not sure. And on the whatsapp issue, lionel says, gosh , we never to deal with gosh, we never had to deal with Whatsapp Groups working Whatsapp Groups in my working day. Happened to day. What ever happened to people just talking one people just talking to one another and getting along well . This the thing. Whatsapp this is the thing. Whatsapp groups catty indeed, groups can be very catty indeed, but its time now for bunch of five where we spin through five of the weeks biggest stories and give our always welcome , and give our always welcome, considered and thoroughly thoughtful. All opinions. Thoughtful. All opinions. Yes and where better to start than with labours plan for children to brush their teeth under supervision in schools. The scheme has been derided in some quarters, but you cant get a dental appointment for love nor money. These days our teeth are rotting away faster than you can say milk and two sugars, please. And some are please. And some people are resorting using their pliers. Resorting to using their pliers. Gosh to pull out their teeth. Is gosh to pull out their teeth. Is this a sensible attempt to tackle a National Crisis . Leo . Leo . Well, why dont they sell the pliers and go to the dentist with the money they got from selling the pliers . I mean, thats nothing. Thats a bit dramatic, isnt it . And also im worried the state. The worried about the state. The state to encroaching on state seems to be encroaching on territory traditionally territory that has traditionally been of parents. Been the preserve of parents. Parents be teaching parents should be teaching their kids brush teeth. Where kids to brush their teeth. Where is end . Are we is this going to end . Are we going to have parents . Going to have official are we going to have official government stasi officers coming are we going to have official governrand. Stasi officers coming are we going to have official governrand teaching icers coming are we going to have official governrand teaching usrs coming are we going to have official governrand teaching us howning are we going to have official governrand teaching us how totg around and teaching us how to wipe our bums . I mean, youre not doing i mean, if youre not doing that, shouldnt a parent. That, you shouldnt be a parent. But not actually but if youre not actually telling your kid how to brush their have their teeth, britons have historically had bad teeth. Clearly a nation which we are clearly a nation which doesnt dental hygiene doesnt take dental hygiene seriously. How many of you floss . Yeah. I dont floss very okay. I dont floss very often. Okay. I dont floss very oft i |. Okay. I dont floss very oft | thought france was dance i thought france was a dance move. I thought france was a dance mowell, and this is my well, exactly. And this is my point. People need to be taught good hygiene from young good dental hygiene from a young age arent doing it. So unfortunately, the schools have to. Are true. You are true. You are true. Are pretty bad when it we are pretty bad when it comes to our teeth. If you look at the us, for example, they take much more care over their their gnashers. Their pegs, over their gnashers. I a difficult one i think its a difficult one because actually speaking because actually i was speaking to people who know more about this do, they said this than i do, and they said that actually been that this has actually been quite the past. In quite common in the past. In previous decades, dentists or nurses checked nurses came in and checked teeth. We really need teeth. But do we really need that in this in this day and age . Its not that hard age . Surely its not that hard to get a toothbrush to your kid. Yeah but the thing is, there are some are some families that are dysfunctional they dysfunctional and maybe they shouldnt but they are. And those kids should be able to get into that routine. I think Public Health in doncaster already a scheme like this, already has a scheme like this, and the you talk and apparently the kids you talk about olds they about five year olds here, they loved come in and loved having them come in and teach how to brush their teach them how to brush their teeth. I think setting this routine not very expensive. Itll a good way. Itll get them in a good way. Though, that if do you worry, though, that if we aggregate more more we aggregate more and more responsible they responsible to parents, they will actually will feel like they actually dont be responsible parents . So you add thing on top so you add one thing on top of another. And also, should we make blanket policies based on a small of poor parents small proportion of poor parents as in poor as in not good as in poor as in not very good parents, very responsible parents, not very responsible parents . I think parents . Im not sure. I think its difficult one we its a difficult one because we also want peoples teeth also dont want peoples teeth falling out. But if one out of five but if only one out of five people on this panel flosses, clearly the problem clearly the scale of the problem is i and we all find two out of i and we all find two out of five floss oh, come on. Teachers arent going. The teachers arent going. We all be. All need to be. Well, im im just well, im just im just making point that we dont making the point that we dont take dental hygiene take our dental hygiene seriously. Use interdental sticks . Well, no, i floss. Well, there you go. Only one of us is into dental sticks, right . Right, well, well, right, well, well, well. Enough of that. Let well. Thats enough of that. Let us know what you think at home about toothbrushing supervision us know what you think at home ab schools. |brushing supervision us know what you think at home abschools. Butshing supervision us know what you think at home ab schools. Butshing turnervision us know what you think at home ab schools. Butshing turn ourion in schools. But lets turn our attention to the conservative, shall theyve been shall we . Because theyve been holding their conference this week. Of the news week. And one of the big news stories has been the announcement that far from going stories has been the an leedsement that far from going stories has been the an leeds orent that far from going stories has been the an leeds or evenlat far from going stories has been the an leeds or even manchester,]oing stories has been the an leeds or even manchester, theg to leeds or even manchester, the hs2 project be hs2 rail project will be stopping at birmingham. Dont stopping at birmingham. We dont even its going even know where its going to land so ill be ill land in london. So ill be ill ask you , the money be going ask you, the money will be going to transport projects to other transport projects around thats what the around britain. Thats what the Prime Minister insists. Its Prime Minister insists. Its others have sort of been pulling pulling at these plans and actually revealing that theyre not that fantastic. But do you not that fantastic. But do you think sensible move or no . I think its absolutely appalling. And i think i think history will judge rishi sunak very not only very poorly for not only cancelling the manchester leg of hs2 , but cancelling the leeds hs2, but cancelling the leeds leg of hs2 for cutting Northern Powerhouse rail. What the conservatives had a plan for at the 2019 general election was a new 21st century rail network for britain , which was going to for britain, which was going to take trains off local Rail Networks to allow for more commuter trains, allow for more freight on the rails and get people around this country more quickly. And it wasnt just quickly. And it wasnt just about london. It was about bradford. It was about leeds. It was about doncaster, it was about sheffield, it was about manchester. Was about manchester. It was about liverpool. About and liverpool. It was about hull and rishi sunak has, has, has destroyed this project and history will not judge him well for it. Is it him thats destroyed it or have management and successive governments destroyed it . Leo yeah, i think the ballooning cost because the original cost was billion, original cost was 38 billion, which like lot , but it which sounds like a lot, but it ballooned 100 billion. But ballooned to 100 billion. But what mistake i think rishi what the mistake i think rishi has is hes, hes closing has made is hes, hes closing down bits that would be the down the bits that would be the cheapest to and bring the cheapest to build and bring the most benefit. Routes the most benefit. The routes in the south east and route between south east and the route between london birmingham, theyre london and birmingham, theyre pretty well served. Theyre not too but its when you too expensive, but its when you get up to manchester and when you get up to glasgow, thats when when train trains when thats when train trains are slower. Yeah, we could be going to scotland in 2 hours or 2 hours. Not not a lot of people would want to, but. But its good to get out of scotland because we did. Yeah. People could live in glasgow and commute to london. Rather be scotland id rather be in scotland than birmingham, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. How many people are we gosh, how many people are we going who are watching going to insult who are watching from in scotland . From birmingham in scotland . I love and have lovely love scotland and i have lovely family up there. Suella braverman benjamin Suella Braverman spent the last year shouting stop the boats. I think rishi sunak the sunak misheard and stopped the trains thats what trains instead. Thats what weve here. Weve got here. Doesnt sound like boats. Yeah, it doesnt really work with. Right. Next topic. Bedbugs paris is apparently awash with the Little Critters and bedbugs and there are concerns they could hop across the channel and start plaguing us over here. Some experts are even saying the problem is already just as bad in london, but a stiff upper lip. Brits are not talking about it much. Well, here we are talking about it, giving it some air time. Abby, have you ever had time. Abby, have you ever had any strange creatures in your bed . No no comment . No comment at all. But look, on the issue on theissue all. But look, on the issue on the issue of bedbugs, which is actually quite a serious issue. If we are expecting a swarm of bedbugs to be crossing the channel of bedbugs to be crossing the channel, hopefully Suella Braverman can stop them. What would give you that idea . She isnt able to stop anything coming across the channel ive actually had bedbugs before when i lived on edgware road and. Oh my god, theyre. Theyre horrific. Theyre not like Little Things that just bite you or whatever. And i didnt even know i was. I was bitten. Then my was being bitten. But then my girlfriend stay and she was being bitten. But then my girlfall|d stay and she was being bitten. But then my girlfall these, stay and she was being bitten. But then my girlfall these, like, itay and she was being bitten. But then my girlfall these, like, welts1d she was being bitten. But then my girlfall these, like, welts all he had all these, like, welts all over her body. And we were like, whats going on . And then we turned over. We thought there might turned over the might be bugs turned over the mattress and things mattress and these things are biblical. A bush mattress and these things are biblicatrial a bush mattress and these things are biblicatrial in a bush mattress and these things are biblica trial in your bush mattress and these things are biblica trial in your own bed. Tucker trial in your own bed. They horrific. They taste horrific. They taste horrific. You put your how did you put your girlfriend through that . Didnt mean to wash well, it didnt mean to wash your your ex girlfriend your wash your ex girlfriend about. About washing. Get rid of that. You could just wash them. You just, like wash under your pits with a bit of soap. And the bedbugs disappear. So what you have to do, do you have to throw out your m attress . You mattress . You basically have to burn your house to the ground. Its insane. I had to get diatomaceous dust. I had to get all these chemicals. Think all these chemicals. I think youve everybody youve just offended everybody in okay, when in france, but okay, just when we thought measures to protect in france, but okay, just when we planett measures to protect in france, but okay, just when we planet couldntes to protect in france, but okay, just when we planet couldntes t more5ct the planet couldnt get more ridiculous, come up with ridiculous, theyve come up with something else. That pets should a study says that pets should be vegan diets order to be fed vegan diets in order to reduce Greenhouse Gas emissions from industry. From the meat industry. Incredibly, case be incredibly, theres a case to be made apparently as it made for this. Apparently as it turns out, that the production of dog food generates of meat based dog food generates more greenhouse than the more Greenhouse Gases than the whole output of the uk. Or so whole output of the uk. Or so this study claims. Whole output of the uk. Or so this study claims. Ipp. Whole output of the uk. Or so this study claims. Ipp. Should this study claims. Ipp. Should we make our pooches go veggie . Well, look, im more of a cat person than a dog person, and i know that cats have to eat meat, so this wouldnt work for cats, but it might work for dogs because they can have because they can actually have these vegetarian diets. Emily these vegetarian diets. Emily you a dog. Would your you have a dog. So would your dog. Your parents dog dog. Would your parents dog rather like being on a vegan diet . Absolutely not. Loves cheese and he loves he loves cheese and he loves his. Do you know what he really loves . Christmas time, he loves . At christmas time, he gets special tin and is gets a special tin and it is a christmas dinner in a tin. So its got everything in there, you know, a bit of what do you have turkey . Turkey stuffing have on turkey . Turkey stuffing , a bit of potato. Are there and blankets . Are there pigs and blankets . Are there pigs and blankets . Blankets , those as pigs in blankets, those as well. Well. But even you must admit that this is all going a bit mad. I mean, the gases that come from your mouth are probably, you know, more of a threat to britain than our dogs. And cats. This time last year. Exactly. This time last went this time last year, i went vegan for about two months. It was partly for a project i was working wouldnt have done working on. I wouldnt have done it othennise. You know what it othennise. But you know what i felt so better. I felt so much better. I thought me that i thought you told me that you really tired and you got really tired and i fainted. Couldnt get off. Say i was so skinny. He was so skinny. Was so skinny. He was so skinny. Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. Thats benjamins motto. But last and definitely least, how much would you pay to sit on a deck chair in a public park . Absolutely nothing. I hear you absolutely nothing. I hear you cry. And thats why social media users have been outraged to see chairs cropping up in public spaces which can be rented for guess what, £3 an hour for £11 for a day. And you can even get your hands on a season ticket for a whopping £150. Pounds is that a snip . Leo i think. That a snip . Leo i think. Why cant people just sit in the grass if you dont want to . I mean, im a capitalist if you dont want to vote entirely, pay for a deck chair, dont pay for a deck chair. The deck chair wouldnt there unless people wouldnt be there unless people were paying for it. You think is a you so you think this is a you know, its probably the local authority, council, a authority, the local council, a little why not little money maker. Why not charge . Things are charge . And these things are usually central london, usually in central london, arent they . So theyre charging tourists mainly. Green and yeah. Green park. And theres not get for £3 not much you can get for £3 in central know, central london. So you know, that even get you a bit that wouldnt even get you a bit of a bit of lettuce on an m s sandwich. But let us know at home, are these cropping all over the these cropping up all over the country . Ive seen country . Because ive only seen them green park by them in in green park by buckingham palace. Be found one that and if ill be found one that was had the was blue and had the conservative party logo on it and it said safe seat across it, youd be than happy pay youd be more than happy to pay and down that one, and sit down in that one, wouldnt you . Nothing i wouldnt theres nothing i wouldnt pay theres nothing i wouldnt pay seat. Pay for a seat. Darren. But i actually agree with with darren on this. Darren with on this point. Look, at with leo on this point. Look, at the end of the day, it is a capitalist world and if a council or a or a businessman is going to say, could make some going to say, i could make some money of selling deckchair money out of selling deckchair time , then good on them. Well, time, then good on them. Well, you know what happens. Have people sneaking you have people sneaking and seeing how they can sit on seeing how long they can sit on the chair without getting the deck chair without getting in trouble. Theyve had in trouble. I think theyve had to putting them in chains. To start putting them in chains. Wonder if i if so i just wonder if i if i havent paid my £3 chair fee and i go sit down, what are they i go and sit down, what are they going to physically drag me off . Yeah, they do. How they do that . How do they do that . How do they do that . They do it. If but they cant do it. If youre woman because that youre a woman because that would a hate crime. Would be a hate crime. Anyway, look, still well, anyway, look, still ahead, all to going ahead, were all to going be answering questions answering your questions in flummox in one more flummox the five and in one more thing, give our final thing, well give our final thoughts tonightstopics. Thoughts on tonights topics. But coming up, business secretary Kemi Badenoch says theres no place in the world better to be black. And modern britain. Was she right . Well be britain. Was she right . Well be joined another great guest. Joined by another great guest. Youre the saturday five youre with the saturday five live on. Radio. Welcome back to the saturday five cheers for your company. Now i want you to keep your questions coming in for flummox the five thats going to be coming up before the end of the show. Though, time for show. Now though, its time for our of this evening. Our next guest of this evening. Some talking points some interesting talking points coming of the tory party coming out of the tory Party Conference, sarah and emily. Yeah, i think youre right. There certainly are amongst all of noise around bans of the noise around smoking bans and Kemi Badenoch knox said and hs2 Kemi Badenoch knox said in her speech that britain is the best country in the world to be black. Now this comes after home secretary Suella Braverman said only a couple of weeks ago that multiculturalism has failed. And once again appears to be some disagreement within the tory party, although im not sure that is direct disagreement, but well find out from our next guest who is raqeeb ahsan , dr. Raqeeb ahsan, raqeeb ahsan, dr. Raqeeb ahsan, who is the author of beyond grievance what the left gets wrong ethnic minorities. Wrong about ethnic minorities. So he is extremely well placed to talk on this point. Ken, we got hierarchy. Ken we got a lot of pushback on this, but is britain the best place to be a black person . Well , those who oppose kemi well, those who oppose Kemi Badenoch views , id ask them, badenoch views, id ask them, name one country where a black person would enjoy a Greater National package of demographic demographic , democratic freedoms demographic, democratic freedoms , legal protections, social stability and economic opportunities. I think what she opportunities. I think what she said was largely correct. I think in the western european context post brexit, britain comfortable , she outperforms comfortable, she outperforms other countries such as germany. Other countries such as germany , the netherlands, france, spain and italy when it comes to providing anti discrimination protections on the grounds of race, ethnicity and religion. Race, ethnicity and religion. And now ill be here, whos very interested in Race Relations in this country, i think has a question for you. Raqeeb raqeeb another thing which happened in the news of course, was a controversy which has fiona bruce for has surrounds fiona bruce for identifying one of the people who was asking a question on question time as that black guy over there. Do you think that controversy was justified if someone described you as that asian guy , would find that asian guy, would you find that offensive . Offensive . Well, im asian , and i think well, im asian, and i think that if that was a useful way to point me out in the crowd, then im very proud of my asian identity. So it takes a lot to identity. So it takes a lot to offend me. And that wouldnt offend me. And that wouldnt offend me. And that wouldnt offend me if truth be told, is it a case of political correct gone mad . Gone mad . And why is it that people do find it offensive just to be described as asian or black . Even though i am black and you are asian . And if emily was to describe me as that black guy, i wouldnt be offended. Why do you think people are offended by it . Well , its quite often the well, its quite often the people are offended are people who are offended are those emphasise those who usually emphasise their identity. And i their minority identity. And i think that if youre so incredibly proud of your minority identity, then why all of a sudden , if someone refers of a sudden, if someone refers to you to that particular element of your personal identity . So i think theres somewhat of a contradiction there. There. Thank you very much indeed , thank you very much indeed, dr. Rakib ehsan thank you very much indeed for your time. Interesting one that, isnt it . Alvi the fiona bruce insult, isnt that black guy . Because maybe it does sound a bit abrupt in this day and age. What do you think . Darren well, in that i agree with what raqib said in the context of the crowd , the guy, context of the crowd, the guy, what could she have said . What could she have said . The guy with the blue t shirt on . It wouldnt have been a very good way of pinpointing who she was talking about. But i assume i didnt watch it. I dont watch the bbc, assume he was. He the bbc, but i assume he was. He was the only black guy. Wasnt. Well, maybe the only well, maybe not the only black but i guess well, maybe not the only black buti guess does black guy, but i guess it does feel a bit politically incorrect to say that black guy over there when wouldnt say it to you when you wouldnt say it to you or leo. You would though, to or to benjamin. Imagine if someone said that gay guy over there, would that be offensive . I think, you know, fiona bruce that would bruce said that she would usually someones usually refer to someones clothing. Might say for clothing. So i might say for leo, know, person leo, you know, the person wearing curtains over wearing my nans curtains over there clearly identify who there would clearly identify who i give your nan my i meant and give your nan my regards. But look, you know , regards. But look, you know, this person didnt say they were offended. She volunteered to offended. She volunteered to ring him personally to ring him up personally to apologise apologise publicly apologise and apologise publicly. And maybe theres sometimes an anxiety about this that isnt really there. Thats really nice. From you, benjamin, because you often see, you know, oppression and offence where it doesnt necessary exist. And to your point, if i was in a crowd of mostly asian or mostly black people, they might be, say, the white woman with the ginger hair. I dont know. I dont know. I dont know. Lets see what people at home think. I think it would draw more attention to the fact if you tiptoe around the fact that, you know, is the thing that know, this is the thing that would quickly easily would quickly and easily identify i think you identify that man, i think you even why isnt it even said, man, why isnt it offensive thats offensive to say, man, thats a thats gender classification. Thats a gender classification. Badenoch just very Kemi Badenoch just very quickly , i surprised that quickly, i was surprised that she said that britain was the best country in the world to be black. But last week we were talking about the black British Voices survey that found over 50 of black arent proud voices survey that found over 50 be f black arent proud voices survey that found over 50 be british. Arent proud to be british. Stuff. Okay. Right. Sad stuff. Okay. Right. Sad stuff. Okay. Right. Ahead, roll up. Roll still ahead, roll up. Roll up. Were about to answer questions from you. Our wonderful in flummox, wonderful viewers in flummox, the plus our final thoughts the five plus our final thoughts in youre with in one more thing. Youre with the saturday live on gb news on mark dolan tonight. Well bring you the latest on the tragic scenes playing out in israel with voices in the field and top analysis closer to home. In my big opinion , as the police in my big opinion, as the police give into gender madness. Lets be clear there is no such thing as a female rapist, and it might take a ten irish premier, leo varadkar says britain is disengaging from the world. Rubbish. Hes disengaged from reality. Were live from. Reality. Were live from. Nine welcome back to the saturday five. Now then it is finally time for flummox the five where you wonderful viewers set the agenda. Thanks very much for sending in all your questions. We havent seen them in advance, so goodness knows what you have written im to get the written in. Im going to get the ball this question ball rolling with this question from sandra. Sandra says , from, um, sandra. Sandra says, if you could choose any politician to be the new government leader to get things done, who would it be . Benjamin. For me, this is easy because i think a new tony blair is in parliament right now, and thats wes streeting, the Shadow Health secretary i think he should be Prime Minister. Leo i think Suella Braverman should be Prime Minister. I like the cut of her jib. I i like the cut of herjib. I think she talks a lot of sense and she can make things happen. Darren Suella Braverman i think shes the voice of a nafion think shes the voice of a nation to Suella Bravermans im going say myself because going to say myself because i think be fantastic Prime Minister. Im not yet the you know, im not yet on the you know, im yet on that track, but im not yet on that track, but ill be. What do you think . I think it would have to be either badenoch or penny either Kemi Badenoch or penny mordaunt. Excellent mordaunt. Who are excellent conservatives in the conservative and should conservative party and should have final ballot. Have been on the final ballot. Members last year. Yeah, members put out last year. Yeah, liz rishi, wouldnt mind liz and rishi, i wouldnt mind kemi to be fair. Now our next question comes from malcolm. Says, from malcolm. Malcolm says, what is of the five on kevin is the view of the five on Kevin Keegans comments about female pundits, women pundits . Oh, pundits, women pundits . Oh, thats a tricky one. Abby what do you think . Well, i think that you dont have to be from a Certain Group of people in order to comment on that group of people. I think anyone can talk about anything. So i dont necessarily think male pundits can think only male pundits can comment sports. Yeah but comment on male sports. Yeah but former footballers , former male former footballers, former male footballers whove played for england have probably got a better idea of what its like to play better idea of what its like to play for england as a male footballer than the womens team. I just just different women are different than men. I mean, as a woman, as a woman, i dont really find it offensive. Like hes entitled to his own opinion and it is his opinion. I think its quite opinion. I think its quite remarkable that it became such a talking point. But that is the world we live in, isnt it . Leah yeah, and if you look at the whole interview, the context, what he said, he was actually some very actually saying some very progressive wasnt progressive things. He wasnt being sort of , progressive things. He wasnt being sort of, you progressive things. He wasnt being sort of , you know, being the sort of, you know, throwback dinosaur misogynist dinosaur that hes being painted as. Ridiculous. As. Its ridiculous. The more you have i think the more you have alex scott, the former womens football think she football player, i think she could commentate on any football game, female. Shes well game, male or female. Shes well , going to Say Something , im going to Say Something controversial because watching the sports the what used to be bt sports these is like watching an these days is like watching an episode loose women. Episode of loose women. But never mind. Episode of loose women. Another er mind. Episode of loose women. Another question here from now we should make misogyny a hate crime. Hate crime. So here we go. Here we go. So here we go. Here we go. Ian asks, why do the tories insist on making up stuff like the meat tax . Do they think the pubuc the meat tax . Do they think the public are actually that stupid . Yes, they do. Yes, they do. Yes, they do. You think they think the public . I think our politicians think were stupid. They dont think were stupid. They dont think we can see through what they say. They dont think we can see through their propaganda and they dont think that we can see through their their spin. But what i will say the meat what i will say about the meat tax the meat tax has been tax is the meat tax has been proposed by Public Health lobbyists. Has been something lobbyists. It has been something that has been discussed , at that has been discussed, at least among politicians, even if it actually a yes. It wasnt actually a yes. The threat apparently the threat that labour will bring threat is that labour will bring in a meat tax right. But then you know how vegan food is always disguised to look like you could get like burgers . You could just get sirloin disguise it to sirloin steak and disguise it to look cauliflower. Well is look like cauliflower. Well is that what youre going to ben . Thats thats the kind well, thats thats the kind of insight we pay for. Leo look, you know, i think emilys right. Take the emilys right. They take the pubuc emilys right. They take the public idiots, it kind emilys right. They take the puworks idiots, it kind emilys right. They take the puworks because it kind emilys right. They take the puworks because then. Kind emilys right. They take the puworks because then everyone of works because then everyone sits programs this and sits on programs like this and other a meat tax other ones debating a meat tax and whether labour would do it. It never suggested. It was never suggested. Think it might be coming i think it might be coming though think it might though about i think it might be coming. Though about i think it might be conand from george. And finally from george. George asks what with the by election scotland, george asks what with the by thinkon scotland, george asks what with the by think labour scotland, george asks what with the by think labour ston and, george asks what with the by think labour ston course you think labour are on course to the next general to win the next general election . It does seem like its going that way unless you know, the Party Conference is the labour Party Conference is an absolute stinker here. I cant tories winning. Cant see the tories winning. Look, it was a very, very low turnout, right . Its lower than a buttennorth birthday a benjamin buttennorth birthday party. Dont we can party. So i dont think we can i dont think we can take this too serious. Serious. Darren will turn up to the opening of an envelope by birthday. Look, i think that the labour is going to win an extra 30 seats in scotland and a lot of people in westminster havent realised that rewrites the road to downing street favour of to downing street in favour of keir starmer. To downing street in favour of keiiimrrmer. To downing street in favour of keiiimrrmesure im to going be im not sure im to going be invited benjamin invited to benjamin buttennorths night buttennorths Election Night party, left party, but anyway, not long left on show thank you for on the show now. Thank you for your by the way. I your questions, by the way. I really enjoyed those. They were great. Not long left the show great. Not long left on the show now, has any now, so if anyone has any burning they still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring they still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up they still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speakey still want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speak now ill want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speak now or want now, so if anyone has any bu bring up speak now or forever to bring up speak now or forever hold your peace. It is time for one thing. This is where we one more thing. This is where we briefly have our final say. Now, benjamin , i feel weve probably benjamin, i feel weve probably heard enough from you already, benjamin, i feel weve probably hea what ugh from you already, benjamin, i feel weve probably hea what else from you already, benjamin, i feel weve probably hea what else don you already, benjamin, i feel weve probably hea what else do you u already, benjamin, i feel weve probably hea what else do you havezady, benjamin, i feel weve probably hea what else do you have on y, but what else do you have on your mind . But what else do you have on youwell,d . But what else do you have on youwell, i but what else do you have on youwell, i have to confess, well, i have to confess, someone emailed in saying that you bus pass at you dont get your bus pass at 60 in england. And so ive learned that i apologise to them. Think that them. I just think that everywhere else should be as old as is in the english as it is in the english counties. As it is in the english cou leo s. As it is in the english cou leo youre one more thing. Leo youre one more thing. Leo youre one more thing. I was actually shocked by albee saying that 45 of the demand for housing comes from immigration. He was trying to make the point that its not that much. Thats a huge amount like to considering that last year we issued a million visas in a country of what, 65 million people. And thats still almost half of the Housing Demand came from those people. I think that really shows the impact that that, you know, our sort of unfettered immigration policy has on peoples standard of living in the uk. Well, there you go. Final word, leo um. Darren. Well, ive learned that albee thinks were all scruffy beggars for not flossing our teeth on a night. You are. And im going to night. You are. And im going to go home tonight and make a pledge. I will. I will floss my teeth. And thats all. Floss our teeth. Tonight i mean, hes got nothing else to do, so im not. I know, i know. I know, i know. I know, i know. I said i would make a great leader of this country. I didnt really mean it, but my one more thing tonight that i have sayis my one more thing tonight that i have say is that i am, in have to say is that i am, in fact, sleeping in the studio tonight because tomorrow am tonight because tomorrow i am back till three for gb news back one till three for gb news sunday the very sunday to bring you the very latest and lots of serious and light hearted journalism for you. Do in you. So please do tune in tomorrow. Tomorrow. Ill be shameless plug there. Emily. My one more thing would be that all dogs should go vegan. Because if all the meat which is produced for dogs is the same the uks emissions, the same as the uks emissions, it means we wouldnt have to get to well i mean, the to net zero. Well i mean, the poor dogs. The dogs, the poor dogs. No christmas vegan christmas dinner for bob, but no net zero. We could stay with our boilers, but the dogs might die and also, what about what about the emissions from the dog . The dogs going to be if the dogs are going to be if they feed beans, they just feed them beans, theyre going be farting all theyre going to be farting all night long. Know, actually, pip do you know, actually, pip tomson, who presents this tomson, who presents on this channel, she actually wrote something this. Dog something about this. Her dog has to vegan for health reasons. Oh, well, there we are on that well leave that bombshell. Well leave it there. Our special there. Thanks to our special guest the brilliant leo guest tonight, the brilliant leo kearse. Up, its the kearse. Next up, its the brilliant mark dolan, sir. Dont miss that. Cheers very much for watching well see you next watching us. Well see you next week. First up, lets get week. But first up, lets get your latest from your latest weather from jonathan. Jonathan. Hello there. Im jonathan vautrey. Who is your gb news . Weather forecast provided by the met office. Todays weather was a contrast from north to south and that will be continuing into sunday as well. And High Pressure is situated close towards southern areas of the uk, allowing things be uk, allowing things to be relatively and also relatively settled and also importing rather warm air. Importing some rather warm air. But its this trailing frontal system across areas of scotland thatis system across areas of scotland that is continuing bring that is continuing to bring outbreaks heavy and outbreaks of heavy and persistent and amber persistent rain and amber warning is still in force until the early hours of sunday morning. Do continue to take care if you are travelling here as there be further as there will be further disruption times elsewhere, disruption at times elsewhere, it be a relatively mild it will be a relatively mild night underneath clouds night underneath all the clouds and temperatures generally around 12 14 c might drop around 12 to 14 c might drop into figures in some into single figures in some valleys sheltered areas. The valleys and sheltered areas. The rain across scotland will spread from the outer hebrides, then into of highlands. Into parts of the highlands. Aberdeenshire, murray over towards the northern isles. A little on in the day well little later on in the day well be cloudy to start off be quite cloudy to start off sunday across eastern areas of england, a few brighter england, but a few brighter spells and england, but a few brighter spellthe and england, but a few brighter spellthe clears and england, but a few brighter spellthe clears across and once the mist clears across southern areas of england and wales as well, we will see some sunshine in sunshine and temperatures in that climb towards that sunshine will climb towards 24 c, above where we 24 c, notably above where we should time of year. Should be for the time of year. Looking fonnard to monday then and a relatively and it will be a relatively cloudy particularly and it will be a relatively cloudywestern particularly and it will be a relatively cloudywestern particwhere well across Western Areas where well see some cloud pushing in across coastal its way coastal areas might make its way further as well, further inland as well, providing outbreaks providing some drizzly outbreaks at times the best of the sunshine further towards the south and where again, it south and east, where again, it will quite warm for the time will be quite warm for the time of year. Temperatures though, will the way as we will be on the way down as we head throughout the next week by late. Good evening one and all. Its 9 00 on television and on radio and online in the United Kingdom and across the world. This is mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, as the police give to in gender madness, lets be clear. There is no such thing as clear. 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