Arrests. Would you do that . Oh, arrests. Would you do that . Oh, i really want to get into that. Im fascinated to hear whether or not you actually would intervene and whether or not you would even know how to do a citizens arrest. And if youre citizens arrest. And if youre wondering where are the police, why cant they get involved . Well, to be at well, half of them seem to be at lauren foxs house. Lauren laurence foxs house. Anyway, going to get anyway, were going to get into all that. I also want to all of that. And i also want to know from tonight, rishi know from you tonight, rishi sunak introduced to the sunak was introduced to the stage the at the conference stage at the at the Conference Today by his wife. What about that . It great teamwork or that . Was it great teamwork or just bit weird . Weve just a little bit weird . Weve got all to come. But before got it all to come. But before we do that, lets grab tonights latest News Headlines as. Michelle thank you and good evening to you. Well, as youve been hearing, the Prime Minister has confirmed the northern leg of hs2 is being scrapped. Speaking hs2 is being scrapped. Speaking after weeks of speculation , after weeks of speculation, rishi sunak told the conservative Party Conference in manchester that hes ready to make tough decisions for the country and hes defended the move, saying the money will be better spent developing projects in the north and the midlands. Hs2 will still run from london. Euston but current management will no longer be responsible, he said. He said. We will reinvest it every single penny. £36 billion in hundreds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. Midlands across the country. This means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nation. Across our nation. Well, the former Prime Minister, David Cameron , has minister, David Cameron, has criticised that announcement, saying that a once in a lifetime opportunity has been lost and the mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, has also said the new Investment Plan doesnt create a coherent network when money is given to projects. You want to support those projects , but the question is do projects, but the question is do they form a coherent intl transport plan . Because if you to make the most out of investment, youve got to make sure it all it all knits together and it makes a coherent network. And i dont think this plan does that. Theyve plan does that. Theyve localised what was a coherent plan and weve now got to try and kind of make sense of the good bits and Work Together with other mayors and leaders across the north to turn it into something will actually the north to turn it into somefong will actually the north to turn it into somefor us. Will actually the north to turn it into somefor us. Well ill actually the north to turn it into somefor us. Well the ctually the north to turn it into somefor us. Well the mayor of work for us. Well the mayor of the west midlands, andy street, says the new plan is a great compromise. Compromise. So obviously im very disappointed that he announced that today. As you know, i fought for it to be maintained. I think fought hard valiantly on behalf of my region. So, of course, disappointed. But course, disappointed. But remember, the line is going to run from euston to handsacre, where it will join the west coast main line. So compared to what could have happened, this is a good compromise position well away from hs2. In his speech , the prime in his speech, the Prime Minister also reaffirmed his commitment to stop small boats crossing the english channel. Our new law will ensure that if you come here illegally , you if you come here illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed. Now, i am confident that once flights start going regularly to rwanda, the boats will stop coming. Just look at will stop coming. Just look at how our returns agreement with albania has seen the numbers coming from there. Fall by 90. I am confident that our approach complies with our international obugafions complies with our International Obligations , but know this obligations, but know this i will do whatever is necessary to stop the boats. Well a raft of other policies were also announced in rishi sunaks keynote speech, which lasted nearly an hour. Nearly an hour. More on education. He said hed bring together a levels and t levels to create a new advance British Standard with students studying five separate subjects. He also said hes going to bnng. He also said hes going to bring fonnard measures to restrict the available of vapes to children. An ad he proposed raising the smoking age now away from the tory Party Conference. The countess of Chester Hospital is under investigation for corporate manslaughter. It corporate manslaughter. It follows lucy letby murder convictions. The former nurse jailed for life after killing seven babies and attempting to murder six others at the hospitals neonatal unit. Cheshire constabulary has confirmed it will be focusing on the period between june 2015 and 2016, when it says its considering investigating areas , including Senior Leadership , including Senior Leadership, to determine whether or not any criminal had taken place. A criminal had taken place. A british Army Investigation believes a 19 year old soldier who took her own life after relentless Sexual Harassment by one of her bosses , royal one of her bosses, Royal Artillery gunner james beck was found dead at larkhill camp in wiltshire in december 2021. A report describes an intense penod report describes an intense period of unwelcome behaviour and says its almost certain this was a causal factor in her death. 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Thanks for that, polly and Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight alongside me. Richard tice the leader of the reform party and Peter Edwards, a former editor of labourlist. Good evening to both of you gentlemen. An you know the drill gentlemen. An you know the drill as well, dont you . Its not just about us three. It is very much about you guys at home as well. So whats on your mind tonight . You can get in touch with all usual ways. With me all the usual ways. Vaiews gbnews. Com is how your email you tweet at email me or you can tweet me at gb of course, the gb news. Now of course, the story again dominating the headunes story again dominating the headlines , the ainnaves, of headlines, the ainnaves, of course, the tory Party Conference over in manchester, its final day today and rishi sunak, of course, dom donating the stages. Weve just been heanng the stages. Weve just been hearing his speech for about an hour. Hearing his speech for about an hour. Many hearing his speech for about an hour. Many people are making lots of kind of noise about how how his speech was actually introduced. Ill show you who introduced. Ill show you who introduced him. Introduced him. She and i are each others best friends. Were one team and best friends. Were one team and i could not imagine being anywhere else but here today. Anywhere else but here today. Yeah, there you go. Very sweet. That was his wife. She took to the stage. She gave quite the performance, actually saying about, as you just said, her friend and talking her best friend and talking about how theyve met and their daughters and their and daughters and their family and the teamwork all the rest of the teamwork and all the rest of it. Fascinating stuff. But it. Very fascinating stuff. But has got any place on a has it got any place on a political stage . You tell me, richard, did you make to richard, what did you make to that . Actually, i thought it was great. That great. I thought it shows that theyre a strong team. And look, being politics really being in politics is really difficult. Its brutal. Its tough. And someone , you tough. And having someone, you know, a close partner by your side, i thought it was it showed real strength and all credit to us. Not easy going up on a stage like that. I thought it was i thought it was a good opener. Good intro for him. And yeah, all credit to him. Warm words from richard. Peter, do you agree with that . I quite like it because all politicians are human beings and we argue about policy we can argue about the policy and substance were and the substance that were going to do in a moment. But to just remind everyone, listening there is listening at home, if there is anyone listening at home that these human what these are human beings, what do you theres anyone listening if theres anyone listening thats tory thats outrageous. Tory conference. Are one the conference. We are one of the fastest growing. A fastest growing. Thats a reference tory conference. Was a reference tory that was a reference to tory conference with head. Conference with his head. Go on. Go on. That was a reference tory conference, not to your show. So i think its a good thing because it shows the human side of know, well of anyone and you know, well argue policies, but argue about the policies, but politicians terrible politicians do get terrible abuse. But the id make is abuse. But the point id make is actually whether actually the spouse, whether male female , tends to come on male or female, tends to come on stage leader is losing stage when the leader is losing or in polls. Or behind in the polls. I think that Gordon Browns wife, and she wife, she did the same and she did great. She did great. And i think theresa mays husband, philip may , made 1 or 2 interventions. May, made 1 or 2 interventions. I cant remember were at i cant remember if they were at party but its Party Conference, but its generally a sign when a leader is the back foot. Is on the back foot. Well, again, i am a lone voice on this panel because i thought very sweet and thought it was very sweet and its to have its wonderful to have a supportive partner. And yes, if youre in a team and all the rest of it, but i personally thought it was a little bit weird. Your of having weird. Your wife kind of having to talk for you. I just to do this talk for you. I just thought like, its like thought it was like, its like your mum going into school and like, dont know, sticking up like, i dont know, sticking up for you because youre not doing a good job something. A good job or something. I personally thought it was a little you can be little bit odd, but you can be the final judge of that. Lets get into the main thrust of it, though, of the though, because one of the key things found fascinating things that i found fascinating today speech today from rishis actual speech was of the political was the state of the political system in this country. Lets listen system in this country. Lets list the feeling that westminster system in this country. Lets lisa the feeling that westminster system in this country. Lets lisa broken. Ing that westminster system in this country. Lets lisa broken systemt westminster system in this country. Lets lisa broken system and stminster system in this country. Lets lisa broken system and stmisame is a broken system and the same goes for holyrood cardiff bay and stormont. It is an anger , and stormont. It is an anger, its an exhaustion with politics in particular politicians saying things and then nothing ever changing. And you know what . Changing. And you know what . People are right again , i have people are right again, i have a puzzled look on my face because sometimes when im listening to the stages today and previous days on the tory Party Conference, i do find myself asking the same question. Asking the same question. But youve been in power for the last, what is it, 13 years . And some people on these stages over the last couple of days have been talking as though theyve literally only just walk and walked to that stage and grasp power for the first time. And know rishi has only and yes, i know rishi has only just become Prime Minister, but notwithstanding that the tories have control for have had the control for a decade plus anyway. Think decade plus anyway. Do you think the political is broken . The political system is broken . Yeah, do. Yeah, i do. And think but it is and i think but it is laughable that it comes from a conservative native leader. There partys been in charge for 13 years. Hes been in the cabinet for about three and a half years. And being responsible for much of the catastrophe that we face. Catastrophe that we now face. What we need actually is proportional representation so what we need actually is prop everyal representation so what we need actually is prop every vote resentation so what we need actually is prop every vote counts rtion so what we need actually is prop every vote counts ,ion so what we need actually is prop every vote counts , every that every vote counts, every vote is equal, and then you get far democratic engagement. Far more democratic engagement. Thats the real reason that politics is broken this politics is so broken in this country, because too many country, because for too many people, their vote doesnt count. They dont get listened to. This two to. Youve got to in this two party system , youve too party system, youve got too many seats and theres many safe seats and theres a lack of competition, lack of lack of competition, a lack of new entrants. And i think thats what the majority of the country wants. I think we should wants. And i think we should have referendum pr as soon have a referendum on pr as soon as which combat as possible, which shall combat you but peter, do you agree . But peter, do you agree . But peter, do you agree . I it shows the i think it shows the difficulties of running as a change candidate youve change candidate when youve beenin change candidate when youve been in government so long change candidate when youve beerrishiovernment so long change candidate when youve beerrishi sunak|ent so long change candidate when youve beerrishi sunak is|t so long change candidate when youve beerrishi sunak is very so long change candidate when youve beerrishi sunak is very young,| and rishi sunak is very young, hes very energetic hes hes very energetic and hes quite its the quite intelligent, but its the buy in that will be above and beyond conference in the beyond Party Conference in the year election where year before the election where hes about hes saying, im all about changing the country. But every time he mentions that a journalist someone on journalist or someone on doorstep say here are the doorstep will say here are the things that your government has done. Agree with. And done. I dont agree with. And thats with thats why hes ended up with the policies today, which are the policies of today, which are kind their tweaks or kind of their tweaks or cancellations hs2 and cancellations around hs2 and a levels not radical a levels. Theyre not radical reforming said reforming gestures. And he said politics broken. Well, i politics is broken. Well, i mean, a bit of an empty mean, thats a bit of an empty statement. He didnt how statement. But he didnt say how hed it. Hed fix it. This pr thing. Hed fix it. This pr thing. I mean, we had this pr thing. I mean, we had a referendum in 2011 and it was i think ive got the stats here, actually, in terms of who voted and the outcome. The final result was yes to pr, we only got 32. It was no to pr, so it was to keep keep the same. Yes, same system. Yeah. Yeah. The yes vote was 32 and the no vote was 67. 9. So people ovennhelmingly rejected proportional representation. Representation. But that was a long time ago. Michelle politics and the country was in a very different place then and it was a it was a pr system, frankly , i dont pr system, frankly, i dont think people wanted either. And think people wanted either. And i think, frankly, if youve got a big question like that every 15 years, you should re ask the question. And i think that more and people recognise that and more people recognise that this party system is this two party system that is supposed bring us a strong, supposed to bring us a strong, stable government actually stable government has actually brought exactly the opposite. Brought us exactly the opposite. Its brought us chaos in competent government and what we needis competent government and what we need is we need new entrants, we need is we need new entrants, we need more people to get need far more people to get involved in the democratic debate. Heres key thing. Debate. Heres the key thing. But pr, the pr, the but the pr, the pr, the pushback people will be pushback to that, people will be saying, talking saying, well, youre talking about chaos. Youre going to probably coalitions. Probably see more coalitions. Theres probably more chaos under pr system almost every under a pr system almost every developed nation has some form of pr. The only other country in europe that has first past the post, bella is not Great Company and the average turnout under pr is 10 higher. Thats another 3 Million People in the uk that would feel its worth getting involved in the democratic process. And i think all of us who support and treasure democracy , we should we should democracy, we should we should absolutely enhance that. And it encourages new ideas, new people, disruptors. And thats a good thing for democracy. Good thing for democracy. And so im sure at the last labour Party Conference, correct me if im wrong, there was a motion put there and ovennhelmingly, as i understand it, labour members voted in favour of having pr would be one of would you support that . Of them. Would you support that . Its a bit of a i think its a bit of a quagmire. I see a labour leaderships generally not leaderships have generally not been pr and been in favour of pr and obviously if youre one of the two parties, youre two biggest parties, youre running you wouldnt two biggest parties, youre runnito you wouldnt two biggest parties, youre runnito let you wouldnt two biggest parties, youre runnito let in you wouldnt two biggest parties, youre runnito let in without| wouldnt two biggest parties, youre runnito let in without wishing t want to let in without wishing to be rude. The smaller guys over fringe parties. Over here, the fringe parties. But members are but yeah, labour members are increasingly of pr increasingly in favour of pr but bear mind, when we had the bear in mind, when we had the referendum which was think referendum which was i think 11 or years that was not or 12 years ago, that was not for pr, that was for for pure pr, that was for a particular strand. And without getting down that now getting bogged down in that now the alternative alternative vote. Exactly. It wasnt for pure but i think its worth pure pr, but i think its worth having debate, but not having that debate, but not right now. Now, because weve right now. Now, because weve got cost living crisis. We got cost of living crisis. We got cost of living crisis. We got a war in europe record nhs. Never a good time. Theres never a good time. Youve got to challenge this stuff. And the thing stuff. And heres the thing about always lead about this. I will always lead to devolved to coalition wales devolved assembly pr assembly is elected under pr scotland. Holyrood is elected under pr, youve had the snp dominating for a decade. Youve had labour dominating for 20 years in labour. So it doesnt necessarily need you if thats what the people want, thats what the people want, thats what theyll get. So actually that completely trashes the idea that completely trashes the idea that it will always lead to coalition. Not quite right. Very briefly, in scotland, right. Snp briefly, in scotland, right. Snp rely ily, in scotland, right. Snp rely on in scotland, right. Snp rely on the cotland, right. Snp rely on the support of the snp rely on the support of the snp rely on the support of the greens to a tiny degree, but theyve controlled holyrood for at least ten years, if not 15. So i think actually sort so i think that actually sort of completely kibosh his of just completely kibosh his the that it always leads to the idea that it always leads to a coalition but is it ever really going happen . Really going to happen . Say i dont because say like i dont know, labour win well before know, say labour win well before youve your youve even won in your manifesto, if you put pr labour surely not benefit from surely would not benefit from that. If you have a pr referendum erm at the next election. So not the first one, youre going to get elected in the next one, labour would lose seats to that and so would the tories. Well id be really surprised if it was in a labour manifesto this time around. Say labour did get elected as you mentioned, the Party Members seem to be turning a bit more in favour of pr, dont rely purely on conference because thats the system of delegates. Its not hundreds thousands of labour hundreds of thousands of labour members. Into members. But if labour got into power thered be big power i think thered be a big internal debate and internal debate about pr and its possible it might four its possible that it might four years down the track, pop up in the but dont, the manifesto. But, but dont, dont movement dont expect to see a movement in next 12 months. Id be in the next 12 months. Id be amazed wasnt. Amazed if there wasnt. Thats what i mean. So then how would that proposition . Because quite easily because if labour have a very small working majority they have majority or if they have some form another form of coalition with another party, say, for example, party, lets say, for example, the it will in the the lib dems, it will be in the lib dems manifesto and the same way itll be in our manifesto and, then its part of the and, and then its part of the negotiating thats negotiating leverage and thats how came about negotiating leverage and thats how time came about negotiating leverage and thats how time because came about negotiating leverage and thats how time because theame about negotiating leverage and thats how time because the lib about negotiating leverage and thats how time because the lib dems. Last time because the lib dems demanded it as part of the coalition with the conservatives back 2010. Back in 2010. Optimistic youre very optimistic because you have to be because i just you have to be optimistic in politics. Optimistic to be in politics. Im not sure that can ever im not sure that i can ever imagine because the imagine a scenario because the two people that could put two main people that could put that referendum is that referendum to us, it is literally against best literally against their best interests that. I just interests to do that. So i just i know youre saying about i know what youre saying about oh, you can have this oh, yeah, you can have this coalition and all the rest of it, i just maybe im being it, but i just maybe im being pessimistic also as well. He was not talking about potential not just talking about potential. Well, he talking about. Well, he wasnt talking about pr actually, as i was pr at all, actually, as i was talking and if we talking about that. And if we didnt go down the pr route, how else you political else could you fix the political system country . System in this country . Its a really good question. And think people are sick and i think what people are sick and of actually is and tired of actually is politicians saying politicians standing up saying theyre something theyre going to do something and then not doing it. So the tories have every manifesto. For the 13 years theyve said the last 13 years theyve said theyre going to reduce immigration done immigration and theyve done exactly so exactly the opposite. And so people and more people get more and more disheartened. Thats disaster disheartened. Thats a disaster for because people for democracy because people either voting, say its either give up voting, say its not worthwhile. And thats thats an absolute tragedy. So and take today hes talked about changing the a level system and t levels. Look at the detail ten years down the track. Hes going to be long gone. Not i mean , to be long gone. Not i mean, theres abandonment theres a complete abandonment of ambition. You want to of any ambition. If you want to do get on it. Do something, get on with it. Dont wait ten years to change something. You agree with that . A level reform is only for part of the united kingdom, i. E. England only. I dont think will make much difference on the doorstep. Its baffling why its ten years time and im not sure its going to change educational standards. And it goes back to my know want to wrap up, my i know you want to wrap up, but first which is but my first point, which is wheres story from rishi wheres the story from rishi sunak speech . Its bits and bobs here there that dont add up here and there that dont add up to very much. Here and there that dont add up to \well,|uch. My viewers, well, one of my viewers, james, said, please, can you james, has said, please, can you ask the following ask richard the following question . If he thinks we should re ask questions pr re ask the Big Questions like pr every also every 15 years, does he also apply that to eu membership . Does think we should does he think we should have another on another referendum on eu membership in 2031 . Have problem. I would have no problem. After 15 and 20 years. And as long jobs been done long as the jobs been done properly the interim, we properly in the interim, we would win absolute would win it by an absolute landslide. No doubt at all. So if you do indeed get elected, then you will be campaigning for a second referendum. First of all, well do brexit properly and the country properly and then the country will grateful and it will be hugely grateful and it just be an issue. Will be hugely grateful and it jusithey be an issue. Will be hugely grateful and it jusithey go, an issue. Will be hugely grateful and it jusithey go, james, ue. That they go, james, did that answer your question . Get in touch. After the break. Touch. Tell me after the break. Weve been speculating for weve been speculating now for some about hs2. Some weeks probably about hs2. We the answer , the we finally know the answer, the northern to manchester has northern leg to manchester has indeed been scrapped. The indeed been scrapped. The Northern Network will take its place. What do you make to that . Get in touch. You tell me this is gb news radio. This is gb news radio. Hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry till 7 00 richard tice a leader of the reform party alongside me, as is Peter Edwards , a former editor of the edwards, a former editor of the labourlist. You guys have been labourlist. You guys have been getting in touch. Debbie says. Getting in touch. Debbie says. Oh, come on, michelle, whats the matter with rishis the matter with you . Rishis wife did a fabulous job introducing her husband. It was not weird at all, she says. In fact , actually it was a not weird at all, she says. In fact, actually it was a nice personal insight to rishi, and its made debbie warm to rishi even more than he did. Richard said, michelle, can you stop being so cold and so cynical, please . It was a lovely human touch for rishis wife to introduce him. Barbara says yes, rishis wife was great. Gordon brown. Gordon browns wife. Did the same, but that didnt end well at all. And joe says, michelle, im with you. Yes, michelle, im with you. Yes, i am a conservative, but i found sunaks wifes appearance odd and a little bit weird. Well that one divides opinion. Its weird, isnt it . The things that get people talking. Lots of responses. Well, on that pr one, and ill bring you into that conversation in a couple of minutes. Now, listen, we minutes. But for now, listen, we finally the answer we finally got the answer that we were wondering about the hs2 and whether not northern leg whether or not that northern leg up would be up to manchester would be scrapped. Have to scrapped. Lets have a listen to what to say. What he had to say. Reinvest every single we will reinvest every single penny. £36 billion in hundred pounds of new transport projects in the north and the midlands across the country. We this across the country. We this means £36 billion of investment in the projects that will make a real difference across our nafion real difference across our nation. Nation. See hs2 really does divide a lot of people and hes come in. Its like hes if he does and if he doesnt really, because theres some people that just youve said youre going to do it, so stick to what youre doing and just do it, whatever the cost and all the rest of it. Then the side of people then the flip side of people will be like, look, if it doesnt make sense, then just get of my viewers is get rid. One of my viewers is asking, can you ask peter if labour the next election, labour win the next election, would they reinstate that northern would they reinstate that nor i |ern would they reinstate that nori believe labour i believe not. And labour leadership relatively mixed leadership had relatively mixed messages till today. Messages on that up till today. Personally i was agnostic. Theres no way. I believe theyve not said theres only been a few hours, but theres no way id be amazed, ed, if labour came out tomorrow and said theyd bring back hs2 to manchester because its a massive spending massive Infrastructure Spending commitment. The moneys been reallocated. And remember, labour biggest labour is labours biggest commitment up to the commitment is to work up to the 28 a year green 28 billion a year on green spending. So labour arent going to tomorrow to contradict this tomorrow morning, come theyve not morning, so how come theyve not come championing what come out then championing what he celebrating and he said and celebrating it and high his policy . High fiving his new policy . Well, its interesting. Well, its interesting. Talk for a minute can we talk for a minute about the Media Management of this . Traditionally the other this . So traditionally the other party your party goes quiet when your rivals having party rivals are having their Party Conference for exactly that reason. Whatever you reason. You think whatever you say be drowned out by say will just be drowned out by the Prime Minister the noise of the Prime Minister or leader of the opposition. Or the leader of the opposition. My is this that my other puzzle is this that rishi sunak it could be his only conference as party leader, depending election depending on when the election is later and tories is it later lose and the tories have been slick in terms of have been very slick in terms of the back but they go the back office, but they go into week with their into this week with their number one in manchester about one story in manchester about scrapping a railway to manchester and that was leaked out last week. So the top line of his speech today was something that upsets the north and weve known about for a week. I mean, you have to be highly questioning how that ends up being top story today, were in manchester scrapping a scheme to manchester and its a week old. Lets listen to andy burnham. Burnham. His response, does this country have the will within it to actually prioritise the north of england and sort out its transport problems . Does this country have it within it to stop treating people here in the north as second class citizens when it comes to transport and put them at the front of the queue rather than the back of the queue when it comes to investment, these are still open questions and theyve been answered by the theyve not been answered by the Prime Minister today. I and i would answer see, i and i would answer andys question by saying no, actually i dont think the government are up in government are headed up in westminster. Does have the will to prioritise these the north. And i know by the way, therell be loads of at home be loads of people at home saying calling manchester saying stop calling manchester the north. Because the north. Michelle because to them i hear them its the midlands. I hear you. Actually think you. But do you actually think this billion, theyre going this £56 billion, theyre going to what they they will to do what they say they will and actually hundreds these and actually hundreds of these wonderful going wonderful new projects are going to speed up, quicken up, to kind of speed up, quicken up, connect north. Connect the north. Look once again. Actually, the copying the tories are copying half of a reform policy because we said in june 2019, as the brexit party, you should scrap the whole of hs2 and spend £50 million now listed out. Even the london birmingham. Absolutely. And i listed out dozens of projects in the midlands and the north. That should be done. They should have listened to me rather than listened to me then rather than waste tens billions of waste tens of billions of pounds, scrap the pounds, you should scrap the existing poor good existing one. Never. Poor good money. The money. After the bad. The existing from to existing scheme from houston to a suburb of birmingham that no ones ever heard of. Frankly is useless. Itll be far too expensive. Achieve expensive. It wont achieve whats necessary. And i still think that they will delay and prevaricate on these projects in the north. And theyve got to accelerate that and properly go for it. Do you think theres enough political kind workings political kind of workings together . Of the together . Because one of the things worries me is that things that worries me is that youll hear about like youll hear about people like andy stuff saying andy burnham and stuff saying were in this, were barely consulted in this, of because hes the of course, because hes in the opposition. And kind of think opposition. And i kind of think theres a of me and yes, i theres a part of me and yes, i understand how politics works and understand government and yes, i understand government versus opposition. But on some versus opposition. But on some of these things really are of these things that really are going to impact peoples lives for and decades to come, for decades and decades to come, i there was a lot more i wish that there was a lot more cross party working. Do you think thats really stick . Do you just think im away with the fairies wanting . No, no, i dont think well have the fairies too. I think its a very good question. I mean, in leeds and mean, ive lived in leeds and york carlisle, englands york and carlisle, englands most northerly town, and transport infrastructure is a real and its worse. Real problem and its worse. Further north you get in cumbria, particularly George Osbornes was this kind osbornes big idea was this kind of alliance, this of northern alliance, this northern partnership. And after northern partnership. And after leaving up leaving office, he set up a think tank. But that was 6 or 7 years ago. And since then there seems decelerate seems to have been a decelerate of progress and fallings out among borough leaders in the north. And then between people like andy burnham, whos a regional mayor with greater powers because of osborne having a fall out with central government. And not all of this is about left right dividing lines. Its about the detail of execution in and delivery and infrastructure commitments, allen says. Allen says. I live in the north of england and i think scrapping hs2 is a sound idea. The opportunities to improve transport in the north now will be much more benefit able, tyron says. Im glad its been scrapped. One of the single best improvements to the Rail Infrastructure in the north would be to electrify and increase capacity on the transpennine line and increase capacity. The whole way. Thats what a lot of people in the north think. Electrification from the east all the way across to manchester, that is hugely popular. But then i thought, popular. But then i thought , no, popular. But then i thought, no, this is when labour was in power. They didnt do that they didnt do much of that electric. Electric electrification. They did do one. I think it might have been in yorkshire or the north east. Im someone the north east. Im sure someone will in and tell us, but i will write in and tell us, but i think Electrification Technology has in the has moved on enormously in the 15 years since. Yeah, the 15 years since. Yeah, its the greatest thing. 15 years since. Yeah, its the gre holding1g. The is the holding back the north is the lack infrastructure from east lack of infrastructure from east to and up to newcastle and to west and up to newcastle and carlisle and places. Its carlisle and places. Its a disaster. Anybody commuting up there knows just how bad getting a train from scarborough to manchester and many of these fun, these projects are fun, many of these projects are semi and should get semi oven ready and should get on them hard and fast. On with them hard and fast. Whos this . Ollie says. What about, do you reckon the government will tram government will build a tram line the river humber line across the river humber that and that links east yorkshire and lincolnshire . He quite rightly. Lincolnshire . He quite rightly. Obviously youve got the humber bridge, quite rightly bridge, but he quite rightly points out its a nightmare to even get from a to b there and i would completely back you on that. But i ask you again, are you manchester when you you north of manchester when you hear us talking about the north . Do you sit there screaming at your saying, what about your screen saying, what about us . Your transport . How us . How is your transport . How do you think anyone actually takes you guys seriously . Do you think need a little bit think you need a little bit more . Touch and tell me. More . Get in touch and tell me. Vaiews gbnews. Com. After the break, talk to you break, i want to talk to you about cigarettes. Do you think its right that rishi sunak is basically phase them basically trying to phase them out . Year old today will out . A 14 year old today will not ever be able to legally buy cigarettes. Its good Health Policy or nanny state gone mad. You tell me. Theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Believer that local live across the uk. This is gb news radio. This is gb news radio. This is gb news radio. Hi there, im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 tonight. Alongside me richard tice the leader of the reform party and Peter Edwards , a party and Peter Edwards, a former editor of labourlist. And former editor of labourlist. And lots of you guys getting in touch again. Youre really quite divided on this. Whos to situation . Sylvie says , can situation . Sylvie says, can everyone who moans about hs2 being cancelled . Can you tell them all to not worry . Because apparently there are some people will say that conservatives are not get elected next not going to get elected next yean not going to get elected next year. So can leave it for year. So you can leave it for the labour party reintroduce the labour party to reintroduce use it. But as weve just been hearing, that hearing, i suspect that that will not be the case. Neil says again, im a northerner and i see this as a win win situation. Ian, you do believe that rishi and the rest of them will follow up with what theyre saying and spend what . £36 billion on transport in the north . Youre a trusting man. Ill give you that. Now lets talk cigarettes, shall we . Because is the age at which people can buy cigarettes and tobacco in england is basically only looking likely to be risen by one year every year they follow me. The essence will be that ultimately save your 14 year old kid. Now, you would never be able to legally buy cigarettes. I think hes nicked cigarettes. I think hes nicked this policy. Rishi from new zealand, Jacinda Ardern that was something that they were into over there. But lets have a listen to what he had to say. Listen to what he had to say. Smoking places huge pressures on the nhs and costs our country. £17 billion a year. We have a chance to cut cancer deaths by a quarter since significantly ease those pressures and protect our children. And we should take it i see the number of people smoking is actually massively. I mean, when you look at any graph, its such a stark decline in 20, 22, 13 there or thereabouts of people over the age of 18 smoked. Its rapidly declining. Do we need this policy . Of course not. I mean, this is this is sort of nanny state, not essence that people just dont dont need. It really is. And do you know what itll do is itll drive it underground. Guess whatll happen if youre a 15 year old now and you cant buy cigarettes in 3 or 4 years time, then youll either pretend youre of a different age or youll get your mates to buy it or maybe itll increase the likelihood that go and smoke likelihood that you go and smoke drugs something else. Thats drugs or something else. Thats what happens and bury what happens if you try and bury something stop it. Itll go something and stop it. Itll go underground better to keep underground much better to keep banging the health message. Its banging the health message. Its bad for you, but actually, do you know what individual responsibility good thing responsibility is a good thing used a conservative thing, used to be a conservative thing, but now apparently nanny but now apparently not. No nanny knows but now apparently not. No nanny knolvs but now apparently not. No nanny knoi dont why anyone i dont know why anyone smokes. I think its absolutely gross. Ive lost my sense of smell. So ive not ive not been able to smell for a couple of years for a couple of years now. But i can always remember you smell great. Dont worry. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Good. I take your word for it, but i can always remember a particularly before in before they banned smoking in pubs, home from pubs, you would come home from a night out. Youd take your clothes next morning night out. Youd take your clotheyou next morning night out. Youd take your clotheyou pick next morning night out. Youd take your clotheyou pick your morning night out. Youd take your clotheyou pick your clothesg night out. Youd take your clotheyou pick your clothes up. When you pick your clothes up. They absolutely stank. And ive never anyone never understood why anyone would to would voluntarily choose to inhale smell like inhale this stuff. Smell like that Richards Point, that. But to Richards Point, isnt it just a free choice . I think its a good policy actually. By rishi sunak today, because ijust by rishi sunak today, because i just think there isnt a case for allowing or even encouraging people to smoke. You know, i smoked a bit as a teenager at university and its kind of a social thing. You pick it up, its on around you, you its going on around you, you join in. But i dont think this the policy announcement today, i dont think will be seen as contentious in ten years time. And your minds back about and cast your minds back about 15, 16 years to when labour banished smoking indoors in england and the Scottish Administration did the same. There was a big debate about that in the country and internally within the labour party, john said something party, john reid said something about it was a pleasure for working class folk. Not working class folk. Its not contentious accepted. A retailer going to hows a retailer going to enforce . Someone who walks in enforce it . Someone who walks in their 23, another person walks in their 25 and he has to say, can isee in their 25 and he has to say, can i see your id please, to check whether the 25 year old can a pack of and you, the can buy a pack of and you, the 23 old. No, you cant. Its ludicrous. Thats what they now with thats what they do now with booze. Exactly. Thats what they do now with boo there actly. Thats what they do now with boo there are y. Thats what they do now with boothere are lots of age there are lots of age restricted products youre restricted products when youre in 20s. In your mid 20s. Yeah, but they do. Yeah, but they do. So for example, i tried to buy, i dont know, paracetamol or to or whatever today the guy had to come over and check the contents that i had made sure i didnt have than two bags or have more than two bags or whatever was at my age whatever it was looked at my age when you buy knives a shop, when you buy knives in a shop, when you buy knives in a shop, when you buy knives in a shop, when you shouldnt be to when you shouldnt be able to buy knives a shop. But buy any knives in a shop. But people kitchen you people buy kitchen knives, you buy need a knife. Buy knives if you need a knife. Im not saying a zombie knife just a normal kitchen knife. Theres on age wise theres restrictions on age wise on loads of products. But just think youre yeah, but i just think youre just increasing that role of just increasing that role of. Of nanny state. You make it harder for the retailers and i just think drive it think youre going to drive it underground. If someone wants to smoke when theyre in mid smoke when theyre in the mid 20s their 30s in half a dozen 20s or their 30s in half a dozen years time, will find a years time, they will find a way. Doing just way. All youre doing is just driving stuff underground. And i dont this stuff about dont buy all this stuff about itll save the this and itll save the nhs. This and that. The tax that. Youve got the tax revenues it. Yeah. If you revenues from it. Yeah. If you want really brutal about want to be really brutal about it on the side of the it on the other side of the argument, youre foolish argument, if youre foolish enough all life, enough to smoke all your life, yes. Know well that yes. You know full well that youre probably going to die early. What about vaping . Because in 2023, so far, 20. 5 2023, apparently so far, 20. 5 of have vaping. Of children have tried vaping. How focusing on that . Its a really good question and i do think there are real issues about vaping. But again, if of this stuff, if you ban all of this stuff, itll underground. Itll just go underground. Youve it more open, youve got to keep it more open, more aware. And with education more aware. And with education i think thing, as think thats the thing, as opposed just saying, nah, he opposed to just saying, nah, he knows about that and knows best about this, that and the other thing. I think Richards Point is much more conceptual and ideological. I think richards someone from the libertarian side who doesnt banning side who doesnt like banning things. I think on the specifics of this, theres no evidence that smoking will go underground. And think the underground. And i think the declining revenue of cigarette manufacturing will decline a much quicker rate. As any much quicker rate. As any economist will tell you, supply will go down, consumption will go down, demand will go down. I dont think well be driven underground. And i think richards entitled to his view. But i its much more just but i think its much more just ideological. The libertarian side banning side doesnt like banning things, like me things, whereas people like me would trade off would say its a trade off between our own liberty and government intervention. Im government intervention. And im happy with this trade off because will save us. It will because it will save us. It will save our relatives. Perhaps if smoking is pretty ghastly and it will save the state money, where do you draw the line in terms of not stuff that would you not banning stuff that would you sit and right, well, sit there and say, right, well, heroin should legal heroin should be legal then . I think you have to you no, i think you have to you have to have an open, genuine debate about this stuff. But what know is the more you what you know is the more you ban, stuff goes ban, the more stuff goes underground. Know how underground. You know how easy it for example, to get it is, for example, to get cannabis, and all the cannabis, marijuana and all the stuff yet can get stuff is banned. Yet you can get it within. That do hasten it within. Not that i do hasten to you sound very to add, but you sound very knowledgeable this im told, michelle, you can get it michelle, that you can get it very and very easy very quickly and exactly the same will happen with people with cigarettes if people want to theyre their to smoke and theyre in their 20s theyre not allowed to, 20s and theyre not allowed to, thats what theyll do. So i just think, yeah, ideologically im reduce the amount im trying to reduce the amount of that you ban. I think of things that you ban. I think its wrong. But nevertheless, youve with education and youve got to with education and youve got to with education and youve to say, drugs youve got to say, look, drugs are youre much are bad for you. Youre much more likely to get addicted and frankly up dead way early frankly end up dead way early with with drugs and people. With with hard drugs and people. I think no, the same with cigarettes. Its a its a serious personal choice. Would you legalise cannabis in . I think the country should have a open debate about have a proper open debate about that. Have a proper open debate about that. There problems that. There are huge problems with drugs , but weve got at the with drugs, but weve got at the moment weve got the weve got weve got your position in a debate. Got worst of debate. Weve got the worst of all worlds at the moment, which is 40 years were fighting is for 40 years were fighting a drugs and Everybody Knows drugs war and Everybody Knows were so cant were losing it. So you cant keep on something that you keep on doing something that you know failing. Your know is failing. What would your position be if you having position be if you was having that position be if you was having tha where you sit on it . Where would you sit on it . Where would you sit on it . Im actually at the moment, im im still quite im still im still quite undecided was quite undecided and i was quite thoughtful now thoughtful about it. Im now very anxious it. But thoughtful about it. Im now very anxious it. But i very anxious about it. But i think got to have think youve got to have a proper grown up National Debate and let and actually maybe let the people rather than people decide rather than politicians ones. But mean, would but i mean, you would spend your having never ending referendum. I love referendums. Were quite them. Michelle. We quite good at them. Michelle. We tend them, but thats why tend to win them, but thats why they a referendum on they dont want a referendum on net its why dont net zero. Its why they dont want a referendum on other stuff because once get there, because once they get there, they of things done in they get lots of things done in sweden in states in america sweden and in states in america where lots and lots of where they have lots and lots of referendums. Where they have lots and lots of referen then isnt it your job as but then isnt it your job as the politicians to actually make decisions for us rather than getting youve just youve just said and the said at the beginning and the prime said politics is broken. Why is it broken . Because the politicians, politicians so politicians, politicians are so out touch people, out of touch with the people, trust more. Ask them trust the people more. Ask them more, them involved. Trust the people more. Ask them mo is them involved. Trust the people more. Ask them mo is thatthem involved. Trust the people more. Ask them mo is that what involved. Trust the people more. Ask them mo is that what you lved. Trust the people more. Ask them mo is that what you want you is that what you want you guys at home . How politically engaged sitting engaged are you . Are you sitting there sign me up. There going, yes, sign me up. I want to the referendums. Want to do all the referendums. You for will at me or do you sit there going, pack it in politicians. You you make the decisions. Decide lots of decisions. You decide lots of youre in touch asking youre getting in touch asking a question. Michelle, youre question. Michelle, if youre going why dont going to ban smoking, why dont you alcohol as well . You ban alcohol as well . Whoa there, whoa, thats what there, whoa, there. Thats what i on, steady on. You i say. Steady on, steady on. You cant my away from me, cant take my tea away from me, right . I can tell you theres a very interesting topic. Up next, you, the public. You, me, members of the public. Do we should be do you think we should be getting involved more in fighting crime . Would you make a citizens if you saw citizens arrest if you saw something unfolding in front something bad unfolding in front of is suggestion of you . That is the suggestion from the policing minister. Well into that after break hi there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till seven richard tice. Peter edwards still alongside me. Stewart says , alongside me. Stewart says, michelle, just because you enjoyed a crafty behind the bike sheds doesnt mean that you should be encouraging todays youth to smoke. Its like the planet of the apes out there as it well first and foremost, it is. Well first and foremost, i think ever had i dont think ive ever had a crafty behind the bike sheds, and i dont think im encouraging anyone to smoke, helen says. Im 21, and i would say that 90 my friends vape say that 90 of my friends vape but of have ever tried but none of them have ever tried smoking. You think that the policy is ridiculous . Simon says peter is a hypocrite. How come peter is a hypocrite. How come he was allowed to try smoking before he opted out . But if he had way, the youth would not had his way, the youth would not be even allowed to try it. And make own decisions. As make their own decisions. As michael michelle, you michael says. Michelle, will you stop smokers . Ive stop attacking smokers . Ive smoked since i was 14 years old and ive had no problems at all. Its not my policy. And ive had no problems at all. Its not my policy. Im and ive had no problems at all. Its not my policy. Im merely and ive had no problems at all. Its rjust1y policy. Im merely and ive had no problems at all. Its rjust to policy. Im merely and ive had no problems at all. Its rjust to debate im merely and ive had no problems at all. Its rjust to debate it] merely and ive had no problems at all. Its rjust to debate it. Itserely and ive had no problems at all. Its rjust to debate it. Its not here just to debate it. Its not me up with these ideas. Me coming up with these ideas. Anyway, referendum anyway, on this referendum situation , paul said, what are situation, paul said, what are you going do next . A you going to do next . Have a referendum having referendum about having referendums. Dont put ideas into his head. Thats what i would say to you. Whos this . Would say to you. Whos this . Martin says , michelle, please, martin says, michelle, please, can you just let the politicians decide on our behalf . We dont need ongoing referendums. Well again, that one is dividing opinions because. Whos this phil . He says, yes, yes, yes. In phil . He says, yes, yes, yes. In capital letters, he says, we could have. We could have a monthly referendum and we could all vote by app. Cor blimey, can you imagine the states our country would be in then. I dont know if some of you might say being an even better state. Keep your thoughts coming in now let me ask you this. If you saw a, i dont know, a shoplifter, something going on that shouldnt would in shouldnt be, would you step in and intervene, do a citizens arrest . Chris arrest . Perhaps, because chris philip, the policing minister, he is basically called on retailers to ask people to get their Security Guards to intervene where safe as possible, as members of the public. Perhaps we could be chipping in and doing citizens arrests as well. What do you make to it . Yeah, actually, do you know what i think . If i saw a shoplifter, id like i would intervene like to think i would intervene and thats. Youre breaking and say thats. Youre breaking the no and stop it. I mean, the law. No and stop it. I mean, in an ideal world, that would tell richard you tell them richard tice you with your your family pack of cheddan youre breaking the law. Stop it. Okay . No, its not that. When. No, its not that. Its when. Its when you know, its when theyre, you know, taking loads taking off shelves, loads of stuff. Feral gangs stuff. And these feral gangs have used. I think weve got to stop now in ideal world, stop it now in an ideal world, the would be there, the police would be there, would be and would be a be there and there would be a proper deterrent and people would illegal. But would know its illegal. But heres the thing, michelle. Its because of police because the lack of police presence, lack the presence, complete lack of the justice away justice system, putting away shoplifters. People shoplifters. If people trusted the real the fact there was a real deterrent, then lot of this deterrent, then a lot of this nonsense, the shoplifting, the knife disappear knife crime would disappear should policing priority . Should there be in shock, broken windows . Absolutely should absolutely. You should have police the high streets, not police on the high streets, not behind desks , because behind their desks, because youve to have the of youve got to have the sort of new york broken window style policy where you have zero tolerance shoplifting , for tolerance for shoplifting, for graffiti, for antisocial behaviour. Graffiti, for antisocial behaviour. Yeah. And then that actually if you deal with that, then you get a sense of respect and know if youre caught and people know if youre caught shoplifting, youre taken away, youre streets , youre youre off the streets, youre out, youre gone. And your mates too. You get respect too. Then you get some respect and your mates to see and your mates. Then your mates know that theres proper deterrent , theres a proper deterrent, theres a proper deterrent, theres a proper consequence to your illegal action. Look at this. What im showing you on the screen. Everyone, if youre listening, not my word for not watching, take my word for it. Youre seeing it. Right. What youre seeing is absolutely these absolutely disgusting. These are young people. Sorry to young people. They are sorry to be rude, but they are like animals. Of you animals. And then some of you will in touch saying dont will get in touch saying dont install animals. But dont install animals. But i dont know think you are. Know who you think you are. Theyre into this shop. Theyre going into this shop. Theyre going into this shop. Theyre around on theyre jumping around on whatever unit is whatever display unit is thinking they can nick whatever it is that they feel like grabbing and off they running grabbing and off they go running off guard there. I off the Security Guard there. I mean , you know, i dont mean to mean, you know, i dont mean to be him, hes not be rude to him, but hes not really doing much stopping of the people there. What do you make of it all . Well, people of all ages commit crime. I wouldnt single out one Demographic Group like young people. I think my young people. But i think my worry is a couple of things. First, the pensioners are going display going out and jumping on display units and trying to nick plasma screens. I agree its unlikely, but but but one video doesnt amount to a whole. Thats not. To a whole. Oh, thats not. On, come on, peter. Oh, come on, come on, peter. Oh, come on, come on, peter. Its all over the place. Everybodys seeing it in every high in the country. Its high street in the country. Its a disaster for. High street in the country. Its a dyeah,� for. High street in the country. Its a dyeah, shoplifting is yeah, shoplifting is increased. But increased. Thats a fact. But im ive idea which im saying ive no idea which demographic carries out most. Anyway, about what . Demographic carries out most. Anywe actually about what . Demographic carries out most. Anywe actually a about what . Demographic carries out most. Anywe actually a bottom what . Were actually a bottom dollar. Not pensioners. Its not the pensioners. Its not the pensioners. Oh, of course not. Oh, well, of course not. Anyway, lets talk about what were going to about it. So i were going to do about it. So i think wed like to be have think wed all like to be have a go. Heroes and if we see someone breaking the law, wed all like to intervene. Thats perfectly reasonable. Clip reasonable. But as your clip showed well. Reasonable. But as your clip sho oh, well. Reasonable. But as your clip shooh, do well. Reasonable. But as your clip shooh, do you well. Reasonable. But as your clip shooh, do you think you are hes oh, do you think you are hes opening bag. Everyone, if opening a bag. Everyone, if youre watching, youre listening, not watching, hes hold old thing. Hes got like a hold old thing. My eyesight. Ive got four eyes. Im looking at and i cant im looking at this and i cant see what those items are, but its in fridge and its in a fridge picking and choosing whatever he wants, filling with look at him. But michelle, would it be fair to say that shoplifting, which is often covert, is kind of within i would of over within seconds . I would imagine quietly in imagine if youre quietly in a supermarket shopping supermarket doing your shopping and kerfuffle and and theres a kerfuffle and someone the whole someone running off, the whole incident be over 30 or incident could be over in 30 or 60s i suspect people are going incident could be over in 30 or 6c be suspect people are going incident could be over in 30 or 6cbe preoccupied. |le are going incident could be over in 30 or 6cbe preoccupied. But re going incident could be over in 30 or 6cbe preoccupied. But takening incident could be over in 30 or 6c be preoccupied. But take a g to be preoccupied. But take a step back to the actual politics. Know, david politics. You know, David Cameron, if in 2010 he said, oh, were having austerity, we were cutting closing cutting spending, were closing police its police stations, but its all right you can the right because you can do the arresting yourselves. I think wed our head off wed have laughed our head off that , wouldnt we . That that, wouldnt we . Well, i bet you know, i bet theres a segment of society out theres a segment of society out there that quite like to there that would quite like to get involved, actually, that would joining would quite like joining the police, it yourself. No, actually, no. No, actually, no. But this has been you can have citizens arrest. Its have a citizens arrest. Its been the law since, i think, 1967, actually. Know 1967, actually. Do you know what . Its a bit of a what . I think its a bit of a sort of a social community thing. You want your community, your high street, your local folk you want folk to feel safe. You want these that are doing these scumbags that are doing this, and want them this, stealing and you want them actually the actually to feel the consequences actions. Consequences of their actions. What weve got weve got, again, nanny state. If you touch someone no, someone thats an assault. No, if youre breaking the law, if youre stealing, youre thieving, feel thieving, someone might feel your you your shoulder and, you know, frankly, have to frankly, people have got to understand that communities up and country are sick and down this country are sick and down this country are sick and tired of it. We dont want it. And we want it sorted. But would you sort it . That is Million Dollar question is the Million Dollar question that like that im asking, because i like to i mean, i put to think that i mean, i put myself in the way of stuff that i perhaps shouldnt do, but since become mum, i do since ive become a mum, i do sit now and i think sit there now and i think because a very a strong because ive got a very a strong sense of right and wrong and i dont like to see people doing whats, you know, criminally wrong rest of it. Wrong and all the rest of it. But there a small part but then there is a small part of me now that actually, of me now that goes, actually, michel, got a little boy, of me now that goes, actually, micyes, got a little boy, of me now that goes, actually, micyes, you got a little boy, of me now that goes, actually, micyes, you can ot a little boy, of me now that goes, actually, micyes, you can rescue tle boy, of me now that goes, actually, micyes, you can rescue thatoy, so, yes, you can rescue that pack cathedrals sitting in pack of cathedrals sitting in your tesco, but might your local tesco, but you might not home your son as a not get home to your son as a result. If you get stabbed. And i that this is in peoples i think that this is in peoples minds now because people seem to be getting more be anyway getting more and more violent. To be, you. Violent. They seem to be, you. No at all pulling no qualms at all about pulling out knife and stabbing you. Out a knife and stabbing you. And on the flip side, you do and if on the flip side, you do decide, actually, im not having this, im going get hold of this, im going to get hold of him. If you dare somebody him. If you dare touch somebody in wrong way, within two in the wrong way, within two minutes, theyre running off to whoever that whoever it is saying that theyve been assaulted by you. Exactly. And so those sort of what assault what i call pathetic assault laws, need reassessing, laws, frankly, need reassessing, because you committing because if you are committing a crime, if its on video, its clear as day. And then frankly, youre suffer the youre going to suffer the consequences. The consequences. And heres the point crime. Again point about knife crime. Again one you should be one strike and you should be taken away for 4 or 5 years, locked up. And guess what . Knife crime, are full. Build crime, prisons are full. Build some more detention centres. The people knife crime stopped. People want knife crime stopped. And a thats a frankly a and thats a thats a frankly a feeble excuse for not getting people who carry knives off the streets. Well, thats the point. Mels making as well, that prisons are indeed full. Mark says again, michelle, you would interrupt someone , youd hurt someone, someone, youd hurt someone, youd stop them, and then you yourself would end up in prison again. I hear you lots of people again. I hear you lots of people saying that if they were Security Guards, would they want to get involved . Because ultimately you could then lose your you would then lose your your you would then lose your you wouldnt if youre doing it under the powers of a citizens arrest, which youre allowed to do under i think its Section Three of the 1967 criminal law act. Frankly, that should be broadened. Why not make it broadened. Why not make it a positive part of Community Action . Youre going to stop these toerags ruining peoples societies, causing antisocial behaviour. I think the country would love it, frankly. Do you do you share that enthusiasm . No. And i think youve really answered why, which is the public, which are ordinary folk like us, not always trained like us, are not always trained to judge were certainly to judge risk. Were certainly not trained in how to kind of wrestle someone to the ground. And as you said, anyone whos got we love, is, got someone we love, which is, you know, all of us, theyd think, want put think, would we want to put ourselves in harms way. So i would to think id do would like to think id do something about it. But its entirely reasonable. People do have that moment hesitation have that moment of hesitation saying, single saying, you know, im a single parent. A knife parent. What if i get a knife somewhere nasty . Do you know what . But then do you know what . There is something to said there is something to be said about together about coming together as a collective because these collective because some of these people, around thinking people, they run around thinking they could do whatever it is that they like doing. And that they feel like doing. And actually, if there was a collective people that collective of people that said, you know what, a community, you know what, as a community, as unit, were going to stand as a unit, were going to stand and to say, no, and were going to say, no, were having well were not having that. Well stand there a stand together. There is a collection of us. Then some of these people are behaving in this way. Might just might this way. They might just might think you think twice. And ill tell you what would to do. Id what i would love to do. Id like to be the cctv operator in a because you can spot some a shop because you can spot some of a mile off. And of these people a mile off. And i there going right. I would be there going right. You aisle two with your grey you on aisle two with your grey tracksuits and your brown hair. Put pack of bacon back. Put that pack of bacon back. Ive were not having ive seen you. Were not having it. Humiliate shame it. And humiliate them and shame them bacon back. And frankly, michel, theres no reason to have a hood up or a mask on in shops. No hoods, no masks. The cctv can see you. The evidence there. Evidence is there. You go. Were watching there you go. Were watching you, certainly you, richard tice certainly is. Anyway edwards, anyway look, Peter Edwards, thank for your company. Thank you for your company. Richard you for richard tice. Thank you for yours we will this yours as well. We will keep this conversation going again tomorrow. Time is tomorrow. But for now, time is up. Nigel farage up next. Have a good night. Night. Hello there. Im Jonathan Vautrey here of your gb news Weather Forecast provided by met a provided by the met office a bit of picture as we end off of a mixed picture as we end off the day weve got rain lingering across parts of Northern Ireland, will ireland, southern scotland will just sink its way southwards into of Northern England into parts of Northern England as before generally as well before generally petering off into second petering off into the second half the night, some half of the night, though some other just other areas of rain just beginning way into beginning to push their way into parts Northern Ireland parts of Northern Ireland throughout as throughout the early hours as well. Good amount of cloud well. A good amount of cloud around hold the around will hold up the temperatures places temperatures for most places around but parts around 11, 13 c. But parts of northern scotland will off northern scotland will drop off a touch more down into those single figure values under the clearer here, this clearer skies we have here, this rain then spread its way in rain will then spread its way in as we throughout thursday. As we head throughout thursday. Quite to day quite a damp start to the day for Northern Ireland, then into western western western scotland. Western england and wales also seeing a fair throughout fair amount of rain throughout the day past southeastern areas of england, staying of england, though staying largelyhere. So a relatively spells here. So a relatively fine day across the board. Well be quite for most of us, be quite breezy for most of us, taking the off some of taking the edge off some of those a touch, but those temperatures a touch, but 19 c possible in the south, generally to generally more around 16 to 17 c. Further north into friday. This mixture of low pressure and High Pressure continues. Generally High Pressure stuck towards helping towards the south, helping to keep fine and keep things relatively fine and dry. Trailing frontal dry. But this trailing frontal system across areas system across Northern Areas will continue outbreaks will continue to bring outbreaks of times could turn of rain at times could turn quite persistent into quite persistent really into areas of scotland, particularly once this next pulse moves in later on in the day. But further towards the south, again, a good amount of sunshine as by while it was the big rishi sunak speech at manchester today where he decided to scrap the hs2 extension to bring in a smoking ban to make it illegal for anybody born after 2009 to smoke anybody born after 2009 to smoke a cigarette and hes going to change a levels. But was it enough . Did it inspire . And were you at home inspire . And were you at home satisfied . Ill be discussing all of that in detail with a great panel after the news with polly middlehurst. Nigel thank you. Good evening to you. Well, as youve been hearing, the prime