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The hurricane that is coming. Our Homeland Security editor mark white is at a major source of the influx and has a special report from the italian island of lampedusa to the Prime Minister will be making his own speech later in manchester. And our Political Correspondent Catherine Forster will be telling us what to expect. Expect. Yes , its rishi sunaks big yes, its rishi sunaks big moment in manchester this lunchtime with his speech where we do expect him to say that the leg of hs2 from birmingham to manchester has been axed. We expect him also to say that the political system feels broken to many people and that he is the change candidate. And alex burkill will have your latest forecast. Your latest forecast. Whilst there will be a lot of dry weather across southern parts, its a wetter picture further north with some heavy rain for parts of scotland. Ill have more shortly. Have more shortly. Sport the cant get it right in var var paul coyte here to get it right with Everything Else. Good morning paul. Ill try my best. Thanks, eamonn. Not a good night in the Champions League as arsenal manchester arsenal and Manchester United lose. Say, i think lose. But as you say, i think id rather supporter of id rather be a supporter of those than a member of the those clubs than a member of the var from that liverpool var team from that liverpool spurs game at the weekend. Well talk well be talk about that and well be talking about that when pauls back 6 20. Back at 6 20. As always, you can and as always, you can join in discussions by in any of our discussions by emailing gb views gb news. Emailing us gb views gb news. Com or tweet us at. Emailing us gb views gb news. Com or tweet us at. Gb emailing us gb views gb news. Com or tweet us at. Gb news. Com or tweet us at. Gb news. Okay. Well, here is the top story this morning. The home secretary has accused her own party of being squeamish over deaung party of being squeamish over dealing with immigration, adding that smears of being racist wont work with her. In a reference to Harold Macmillans winds of change speech, Suella Braverman warned attendees at the Tory Party Conference of a hurricane of mass migration. Lets have mass migration. Lets have a listen. The wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared made to the hurricane that is coming. The hurricane that is coming. Let me tell you, our country has become enmeshed in a dense net of International Rules that were designed for another era. Were designed for another era. And it is labour that turbo charged their impact by passing the misnamed human rights act. Im surprised that they didnt call it the criminal rights act. Strong stuff there. Your views. Very welcome. Get your views. Very welcome. Get those views coming into us. But the home secretary will know only too well that whatever the reason, migrants continue to flee their own countries and head europe. There no head to europe. There are no quick fixes. Quick fixes. Many are arriving via the small italia island of lampedusa, has become the lampedusa, which has become the frontline of the migrant crisis. And thats where our home and security editor mark white has sent this report from. A week after more than 11,000 migrants arrived on this tiny italian island , we watched as italian island, we watched as the final batch of 101 mainly young men from sub Saharan Africa left to board a ferry to the italian mainland. The italian mainland. Authorities here took advantage of several days of bad weather in the med to clear the decks ahead of the next surge of migrant arrivals. It is ahead of the next surge of migrant arrivals. It is a seemingly never ending cycle in the Mass Movement of people across this sea. Lampedusas across this sea. Lampedusas geographical location closer to north africa than italy. Put it on the front line of europes growing migrant crisis. But many growing migrant crisis. But many of the 6000 residents here say they feel forgotten, ovennhelmed by the constant arrivals with little concrete action from europes politicians. The europes politicians. The italian red cross run the main Migrant Reception Centre on lampedusa. Theyve been drafting lampedusa. Theyve been drafting in Additional Support to deal with the next surge in arrival calls. The chaos of the last calls. The chaos of the last surge still fresh in their minds, where at 1. 7 thousand people were crammed into this compound. Men clashing with police as they tried to leave. Sir serena cornelia said the volunteer here felt powerless to help. More difficult to give the support. But we try to give food, give kit, give psychological support and help support. So we psychological support and help support. So we try to psychological support and help support. So we try to take care support. So we try to take care of all the people inside the centre. There are real concerns here on lampedusa that the tourists trade the lifeblood of this island community. Could begin to dry p island community. Could begin to dry up if a solution isnt found to the crisis. You dont have to to the crisis. You dont have to look far for evidence of its impact here. Near the entrance to the port, a migrant boat lies beached on the rocks. A gaping hole in its hull. The personal belongings of its human cargo hanging over the sides. Inside hanging over the sides. Inside the harbour, dozens of other migrant boats that made it here in recent days lie tied up, awaiting removal. Many still full of tyre inner tubes used by the migrants as makeshift life jackets. Further along the jackets. Further along the quayside fish , men unload the quayside fish, men unload the last of their catch for local restaurants. As the winds that restaurants. As the winds that have kept the migrant boats away for several days have also forced these fishermen back to port. Giacomo minio says the migrant boats are severely impacting their lives. Impacting their lives. Good to. See good to. See good to. See so when we encounter a migrant boat, we call the authorities. They tell us to wait, not to do anything. Then the coastguard arrives or the police patrol. But it means were financially ruined. Its a mess. Our work is badly affected. Its too much. The affected. Its too much. The unlike the vast majority of african migrants who want to head to mainland europe , tala head to mainland europe, tala diouf has made a life for himself here. The Senegalese National says the huge flow of fellow migrants onto this island is simply unsustainable. Unsustainable. With for, say the government must find a solution as quickly as possible because the island has 6300 inhabitants, then if 11,000 of my brothers come, its a big problem. We have to find a solution quickly because nothing will be done until next summer. For quickly because nothing will be done until next summer. For now, done until next summer. For now, these migrants are headed for these migrants are headed for the mainland, but this is not just an italian problem. Its a europe wide crisis. Many here will eventually head north, some to the coast of north west france and on to another boat , north west france and on to another boat, this time across the english channel. Mark white gb news on lampedusa. Gb news on lampedusa. So a europe wide problem. Lets go to conference. Catherine foster there for us this morning. Are we to going hear anything more about this today . Today . Well, this is rishi sunak big moment. Bits well, this is rishi sunak big moment. Bits of well, this is rishi sunak big moment. Bits of the speech have moment. Bits of the speech have already been trailed. So lets see. But basically were here in what was a Railway Station taking trains from london to manchester. Slightly ironic because, first of all, theres no trains from london to manchester or in lots of the country today because of the train strikes and also because the centrepiece piece of rishi sunaks speech seems set to be the announcement that, yes, indeed , the northern leg, the indeed, the northern leg, the remaining northern leg, there used to be one to leeds, but that was axed a couple of years ago from birmingham to manchester is indeed being scrapped now. I was told by an extremely good source two days ago that this was happening. But the government have spent days saying that no decision had been made. Well, clearly a decision has been made now , apparently has been made now, apparently theyre going to promise that all the money saved estimated to be about 36 billion, will be spent on improving transport in the north and the midlands. So on roads, on buses , on potholes, on roads, on buses, on potholes, on roads, on buses, on potholes, on rail. We dont know whether theres going to be improved links the whole of the east to west from liverpool through to hull and up to newcastle , or hull and up to newcastle, or whether it might be simply leads to manchester. So lets see other announcements were expecting is reform of a levels also a big crackdown on smoking and trying to stop young people smoking and he is going to pave it himself as the change candidate. Now thats easier candidate. Now thats easier said than done, given that the conservative government in various iterations have been in power for 13 years. But hes going to say that lots of people feel that the political system based in westminster is not working for them, and particularly say its an exhaustion with politics in particular, politicians saying things and then nothing ever changing. And you know what . People are right it. So lets see. Its his big moment. Theres quite a few people left yesterday to get trains back because everyones going to be going back on the roads. Its not going to be easy. But rishi sunak will be trying to get his narrative back on track because all the speculation about hs2, they havent been pleased about that. And also , of course, that. And also, of course, theres been lots of positioning by people like the home secretary Suella Braverman, business secretary Kemi Badenoch priti patel and many others. People who think rishi sunak is going to lose the next election and they would really rather like his job as leader of the conservative party in interesting. Yeah, be very interesting to see how many people are there and if it compares in any way to the audience that Suella Braverman or indeed liz truss attracted for now. Catherine thank you very much indeed. So heres what i do to understand. I thought the whole argument cut that music. Thank you. Dont need that. Cut that you. Dont need that. Cut that music. You. Dont need that. Cut that music. Right. You. Dont need that. Cut that music. Right. Heres what music. Right. Heres what i dont understand. The whole dont understand. The whole argument was about saving money and the countries broke and we havent got money, but theyre not saving money. Theyre going to spend money. Its a fraction of what the total cost of 36 billion. Yeah i think well, i think theyre saying that if they carried on with hs2, it would be astronomical. And theyre spending billion other spending 36 billion and other infrastructure packages. Spending 36 billion and other inero ructure packages. Spending 36 billion and other inero youve packages. Spending 36 billion and other inero youve eitherges. Spending 36 billion and other inero youve either got the so youve either got the money or you havent got the money. The daily mirror have a very interesting headline today. Today, the Prime Minister will blame our countrys problems on the political system. But remind us, rishi, how many years have the conservatives had to fix britain . And there is the answer is 13. So whose fault is all of this . Weve either got the money or were going to save the money. And the countrys broke andits money. And the countrys broke and its going to go elsewhere. And its going to go elsewhere. Do you think its interesting positioning himself as the change as well when change candidate as well when actually look back actually when people look back on record will be, its on what his record will be, its more axing and scrapping, you know, zero, axing know, scrapping that zero, axing hs2. Whats he actually come up hs2. Whats he actually come up with besides maths a levels . Hes going to have a hard sell, i think, to his own faithful today and well be right across it throughout the course of the day. What were getting at your what were getting at is your views, your views, your views, your comments, and many ways we comments, and in many ways we play comments, and in many ways we play advocate here and play devils advocate here and we just see what you we try and just see what you think about this. I mean, personally, a levels , what personally, a levels, what a waste of time putting maths into the curriculum, whatever. For my the curriculum, whatever. For my personal view and im totally convinced about it, that it is, it wont do anybody any good having insisting that they do maths right up till theyre 18 years of age. But anyway , thats years of age. But anyway, thats what mr roll up the sleeves rishi wants to do. So well we run the music now. Well thats a nice. Lets do that. Lets run the music. This time and well take a look at some of the other stories that are coming into the newsroom here. And all eyes on the covid inquiry yesterday, the governments former chief scientific described governments former chief scienijohnsons described governments former chief scienijohnsons decision ed governments former chief scienijohnsons Decision Making Boris Johnsons Decision Making dunng Boris Johnsons Decision Making during as bipolar during the pandemic as bipolar and completely inconsistent. The and completely inconsistent. The pubuc and completely inconsistent. The Public Inquiry has heard diary entries from sir Patrick Vallance, who wrote of chaos as usualin vallance, who wrote of chaos as usual in number 10 after a meeting on social distancing. The government says it acted to save lives and to protect the nafion save lives and to protect the nation. Nation. At least 21 people have died after a bus carrying tourists to after a bus carrying tourists to a campground crashed near venice. Local media is reporting that the coach came off an overpass and landed near Railway Lines. The cause of the accident is still unclear. Is still unclear. The interest the government pays on National Debts reached a 20 year high as current borrowing climbs to 2. 59 trillion. This comes as the chancellor, jeremy hunt, faces mounting pressure to make tax cuts. In his autumn statement, the current level of Government Debtis the current level of Government Debt is double what it was in the 80s through to the financial crisis of 2008. In the United States, after leading a successful bypass in an effort to avoid Government Shutdown. In other words, shutdown. In other words, cooperation with the democrats, republican Kevin Mccarthy has been voted out of his role as House Speaker this is the first time in history that a speaker of the house has been removed from office as a group of eight republicans defied party lines and voted to remove him. And voted to remove him. And Victoria Beckham has opened up on what she describes as the hardest period of her marriage to the famous footballer husband david. Speaking in a new Netflix Documentary series named beckham, the designer addressed the speculation that he allegedly had an affair whilst he was playing for real madrid in 2003. The couple, as well as their children, attended the premiere last night. Their children, attended the premiere last night. Were premiere last night. Were watching it. I will. Yeah, i was watching it. I will. Yeah, i was watching some of the sort of red carpet stuff last night and i thought, oh, sweet, theyve got the kids there. And then obviously the headlines this morning. Havent seen any of morning. I havent seen any of it yet, but obviously they went into the rebecca loos debacle, it yet, but obviously they went into ttwillebecca loos debacle, it yet, but obviously they went into ttwill remembers debacle, it yet, but obviously they went into ttwill remembers deb from if you will remember that from 2003 allegedly had 2003 when he allegedly had an affair nanny. Imagine affair with the nanny. Imagine the all watching that. You the kids all watching that. You know, is still quite the kids all watching that. You know, is is still quite the kids all watching that. You know, is she is still quite the kids all watching that. You know, is she 11 still quite the kids all watching that. You know, is she 11 or ll quite the kids all watching that. You know, is she 11 or something young. Is she 11 or something awkward little davids skills on the red carpet. I think hes really a good speaker now. Very, very good. Really improved. Yeah. Yeah really improved. And his voice is less squeaky. He seems a bit is less squeaky. He seems a bit hes just into it hasnt hes just matured into it hasnt hes just matured into it hasnt hes grown in confidence and ill be looking fonnard to watching show. Watching that show. Weather update. I okay. The weather update. I think youre going to look fonnard watching as fonnard to watching this as well. Heres alex. Hello. Good morning. We have a south split in our a north south split in our weather heres weather today. Heres your latest news bulletin latest gb news weather bulletin. Im alex burkill. We are going to see some wet weather already across western of scotland across western parts of scotland feeding further across feeding further eastwards across many as we go through the many parts as we go through the day. But the heaviest rain will always be across Western Areas where were likely see totals where were likely to see totals building some localised building up some localised flooding disruption flooding and disruption to travel elsewhere across travel here. Elsewhere across many parts of the uk, there will be some showers around, perhaps not as we saw yesterday not as many as we saw yesterday and wont be quite and they probably wont be quite as theres lower as intense and theres a lower chance seeing some thunder chance of seeing some thunder too. The winds will be slightly less strong and with temperatures reaching highs around possibly celsius, around 19, possibly 20 celsius, it relatively warm it should feel relatively warm in sunny breaks through the in any sunny breaks through the end the day, we are going to end of the day, we are going to see any showers out, but see any showers dying out, but there still be some there will still be some outbreaks of rain around. You can see some rain across parts of into of Northern England into northern some rain Northern Ireland and some rain pushing parts of wales and pushing into parts of wales and the south west then another the south west and then another swathe wet weather feeding the south west and then another swathe scotland ieather feeding the south west and then another swathescotland asther feeding the south west and then another swathe scotland as we feeding the south west and then another swathe scotland as we fetthrough across scotland as we go through the of thursday. But the early hours of thursday. But because of the and rain, because of the cloud and rain, it is likely be milder it is likely to be a milder night than has been recently night than it has been recently for many places, at least as we go thursday. Then quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, thursday. Then quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, dampsday. Then quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, damp picture1en quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, damp picture across te a cloudy, damp picture across particularly north particularly Western North western parts, brighter towards the east. But even here i am expecting the cloud to fill in a little bit as we go into the afternoon. More wet weather then pushing from the west pushing its way in from the west and north west. Is and the north west. And so it is going to turn increasingly wet, particularly western particularly across western parts we parts of scotland as we go through and into through thursday and into friday. Temperatures for many similar today. Silicone on similar to today. Silicone on this morning, a disappointing evening for the english sides and the Champion League man. United and arsenal both suffered defeats. Unfortunately. Suffered defeats. Unfortunately. Well talk about that. N ext next back it is 619. You are tuned into breakfast on gb news with eamonn and isabel this morning. And lets go through whats happening sports wise. Weve got paul coyte here today. Nothing paul coyte here today. Nothing good report from champions good to report from Champions League for the english sides. Not really know. Should we get manchester one get the Manchester United one out of the way . Weve done quickly as quickly as quickly or go as quickly as i can. Twice through the game. Can. Led twice through the game. Couldnt home. Couldnt hold on at home. Remind know. Remind i know. Remind i know. And second loss on the bounce at home. Loss on the at home. Second loss on the bounce the champions bounce in the Champions League. Thats to thats never happened to manchester before. And Manchester United before. And andre nana again, the goalkeeper, another wicket , goalkeeper, is another wicket, another a lot of another coming under a lot of critics ism. I mean, people said at the start that he would cost us as many points he would say of many points as he would say of us. And you know, you look at the david de gea situation and you think, rid of this you think, why get rid of this crazy because guy cant crazy because this guy cant play crazy because this guy cant play feet and play out play with his feet and play out from back. But we need him from the back. But we need him to a few goals. Well, this to save a few goals. Well, this is the irony. Youve a goalkeeper like youve got a goalkeeper like an and people would say, an ana, and people would say, oh, we a goalkeeper. Oh, but we need a goalkeeper. Thats great. With feet. Thats great. With his feet. Maybe should their maybe you should look at their hands first. You know what i mean, though . Its like, that would thing. Would be the first thing. But anyway, a ricky anyway, an ana, a ricky gives the ball away and that was was with his feet. Then the ball comes the area. Comes back into the area. Casimiro down the striker casimiro brings down the striker and its a penalty. So we and then its a penalty. So we think, oh no, this is a disaster for equity. Puts the puts the penalty wide crowd goes wild. A couple of minutes later , guess couple of minutes later, guess what he goes through and scores. So not good. Not looking good at all. Arsenal at least lost away from home. Well, they did, but it was lawns of france. And you would have expected that they would have expected that they would have won. They went one up as well. So a bit of a disaster for them. To gabriel hayes, who scores first 14 minutes and scores first in 14 minutes and thinking, okay, well, this should easy, then should be very easy, but then lance and also so the lance came back and also so the worries that bukayo saka came off injured and theyve off injured as well. And theyve got city at the got Manchester City at the weekend. You know looking weekend. So you know not looking good, not looking good. So not a good, not looking good. So not a good night. Celtic have got lazio tonight man city are away at leipzig newcastle all their first Champions League game after many years at saint jamess park. Theyve got psg you know i mean i mean nothing like an easy one. Yeah but i know but what an exciting night its going to be. I mean, you can imagine what the noise is going to be like and yeah, its going to be its going to be terrific. Youve got, you know, Kylian Mbappe coming back or coming to newcastle the first time. Newcastle for the first time. Who the future who knows, maybe in the future as well. Paul referee decision paul the referee var decision in the arsenal spurs. Who was it . Yeah , no, it was liverpool yeah, no, it was liverpool spurs. Liverpool spurs. Spurs. Liverpool spurs. Liverpool. Sorry. Spurs. Liverpool. Yeah game at the weekend. The transcripts all over the back of the newspapers, the audio is available on the internet as well. What do you make of what youve seen here . Well, from what ive seen and what ive heard, i firstly, i theres a theres part of me that feels sorry for them. I dont know whether youve heard it and listened to it cut a very long story short, Liverpool Score a goal which was perfectly legal and was called offside by the assistant referee. So then var check it. So var have a check, which is always what would happen. And then what would happen. And then what should have happened is that they drew the lines. They have a look see that is onside and look see that diaz is onside and go no, give a goal now somewhere in the middle of this it all got very confused. Theyre checking it. Theyve got theyve got the person drawing. The line is Darren England is the var chap called dan cook is the assistant. So they should. It was decision. Do was a really easy decision. Do you the player they put the you see the player they put the still they draw a little line across pitch. You see across the pitch. You can see now okay i can see now he said okay i can see there. I can see the foot out. Yeah. At the toe. Yeah. Okay now, i dont know whether theyve got confused, thinking wrong is that the whites going fonnard or the reds going fonnard. Its just trying to make sense of it. But they give the wrong decision and it was the wrong decision and it was the var hub operator. Young fella, thats actually come through and said, listen, you need check again. It need to check that again. But it was too late. So meanwhile referee had so meanwhile the referee had given on the pitch it was given it on the pitch and it was play given it on the pitch and it was play play had resumed. Play on play had resumed. Theyd said referee yeah, theyd said the referee had offside because that had said offside because that was was given the replay. Was what was given the replay. Heres script. The replay heres the script. The replay operator wait, wait, wait operator here. Wait, wait, wait , wait. The field decision , wait. The on field decision was offside. The assistant var well, thats wrong. Does what on field decision was offside . Its on side then theres an expletive. Yeah. And the replay operator says delay the game. Stop the game and var then say cant do anything, cant do anything. Another expletive. Anything. Another expletive. The reason they cant do anything is because when play continues according to the rules and var if the play is restarted , you cant go back. So that was the moment there was a var operator or he was one of the videos of assistants that was drawing the lines and saying, listen, you know, you need to stop it. And then its the officials that are saying we cant stop it because its against rules. If the if against the rules. So if the if the continues , no matter the game continues, no matter whats the you whats happened in the past, you cant then it back again. Cant then pull it back again. So the referee on the pitch at the he wasnt told. And so the time, he wasnt told. And so you just imagine what it was you can just imagine what it was like room. Like in that room. Liverpool threatening to liverpool are threatening to sue over this. You know but the thing you know what . But the thing is, you theres so many is, if you theres so many mistakes have been made with var and there was even the talk abouti and there was even the talk about i know lets replay we had keith the other Keith Hackett the other day, former chief saying that former chief referee saying that theyre want that you theyre going to want that you cannot replay a game because then teams are then in how many other teams are going go . Well, there was going to go . Well, there was a bad decision made with us, what happens thats happens with us . So thats nonsense. Absolutely. Cant do that. But that. Terrible mistake. But theyve move and maybe theyve got to move on and maybe learn because a lot of learn from it because a lot of drama, friend. Drama, my friend. Weve got to move on as well. Lovely talking to you. Thank you. You in an hours you. See you again in an hours time. Yep us. Coming up after stay with us. Coming up after the the beckhams finally the break, the beckhams finally break their on rebecca break their silence on rebecca loos. Ill never think of her again that whole farming again after that whole farming show. She did. Do remember show. She did. Do you remember that . Anyway well be talking about the rest of the about that and the rest of the days in headline makers days papers in headline makers n ext next 628 if you just tuned in, you are tuned into breakfast on gb news and dont forget, if youre heading out the door, wherever youre going, you can take us with you. Were on tv online and on your radio. And if youve got an all to do is an alexa, all you have to do is say, play gb news up we pop. Say, play gb news and up we pop. Goodness what pops them goodness knows what pops them off. The country now. Yeah remind you of the top stories on wednesday morning. On this wednesday morning. Britain a migrant britain faces a migrant hurricane, the home hurricane, says the home secretary in speech at tory secretary in her speech at Tory Party Conference yesterday, Suella Braverman warns of millions migrants arriving millions more migrants arriving on britains shores unless her own government takes decisive action. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister will be making his own speech later in manchester. Rishi sunak is expected to promise an end to 30 years of the status quo in politics and what could be his last conference before a general election. Election. Grant shapps his week started with his announcement that british troops would be heading to ukraine. The Prime Minister immediately pushed back on that. So whats happening . Well be speaking to the defence secretary just after 22 720. Two secretary just after 22 720. Two faces smiling out from the newspapers this morning. Its pretty much Victoria Beckham or Suella Braverman. So lets take a little look at the front pages and how theyre lining morning. The lining up this morning. The express. You go. Weve got express. There you go. Weve got kate as well on there, but theyre leading with rishi sunak and he vows repair and how he vows to repair britains political britains broken political system. System. Im guardian pm says voters are exhausted amid tory amid chaos of tory in house fighting i the sun meanwhile leading with the beckhams. Netflix documentary victoria has opened up for the first about her up for the first time about her husbands affair and in the star. Finally, some good news about that evil computer pals. A psycho chat box. I dont know what even that it means, but anyway, its psycho chat bots arent bad anyway. We have got Scarlett Mccgwire former labour adviser david miller, former chief secretary to the treasury and privy council member. Good morning, guys. Good to see you. Morning, guys. Good to see you. Now scarlett , youve started now scarlett, youve started with a story that ive already pointed out today, which is the mirror. Ask quite an obvious mirror. Ask quite an obvious question today. Sunak is talking about the countrys problems broken political system. Their question basically is, but remind us, rishi, how many years have the tories had to fix britain . Britain . 13 being the i find it absolutely amazing that hes going to tell us that britain is broken when weve had the conservatives for the last 13 years and rishi was chancellor and is now Prime Minister. I mean, surely what is he saying that all the rest of them were terrible. I mean, i cant think of a better reason to have a general election and get rid of them all than than than for him coming and telling us that weve got a broken britain. Got a broken britain. Except he would say, hang on, i inherited a terrible inbox from liz truss and Kwasi Kwarteng and say what you like. He steadied the ship. You can also point to the fact that whilst he was chancellor, there was a pandemic. Weve all was a pandemic. Weve had all the, know, change the, you know, change surrounding brexit. Weve had the ukraine, it has been the war in ukraine, it has been unlucky. 13 whether or not you see whatever colour and you see it, whatever colour and you know theres i mean i personally think that hes not easy to suggest these problems have emerged without the tories falling into the blame for this because of 13 years. So but what i dont like as a believer in a free press is i dont like news papers becoming nothing more than Party Political propaganda sheets. I mean, thats just labour proper. Ganda i think. I think i know there are, there are we have had conservative papers going for the labour party , but im not the labour party, but im not decades of course, and then you can. I dont approve of that either. No, but i dont approve of that either. I think newspapers when you were culture, media and sport abouti were culture, media and sport about i said lots of things i just didnt wouldnt expect you to ruin your breakfast reading them. Its still a legitimate question ask. Who are you question to ask. Who are you pointing the finger at . Because its your that has been in its your party that has been in power for 13 years. Of course, an and im not defending that principle. And i think, you know, im really not looking to the next looking fonnard to the next several because i feel several months because i feel new lows will be trawled in the kind of arguments that we put fonnard at the forthcoming general election. And some of them are an insult to the intelligence of voters. Whatever their political stripe, with one of those arguments, david, its the front of the times. And, you know, Suella Braverman using ever more colourful , evocative language in colourful, evocative language in her speeches. Every time she comes out with another phrase that sort of delights one half of society and devon states another half yesterday talking about this hurricane of migration, you know, is this where the election is going to be fought, do you think . Yeah. But then you know, i personally consider myself to fastidious to talk about hurricanes. And i did when i was actually holding an office in the home office and stuff like that. But, you know, the reality is that there is a grotesque abuse of the legislation that its supposed to protect people who are have immediate threat to their safety. Now you can travel across the continents going through lots of safe places. You through lots of safe places. You can end up in the uk and claim asylum. I think thats an outrage. But do you think all Asylum Seekers then should only stay in italy or greece . No, but i. But i. But. Well, i dont think i dont i think that its a very difficult problem for the italians, but the reality is that Asylum Seekers who are merely coming to grab a place by getting on a boat and pre empting all these other decisions and i just dont think theyre worthy of a great deal of sympathy. I think i think Suella Braverman really, really doesnt help because if youre talking about a hurricane , then youre about a hurricane, then youre talking about greece and italy actually where where, where theyre coming through. And i was in greece last last week and i was talking to a woman who was deaung i was talking to a woman who was dealing with the refugees and she said, yeah, i mean, most of them dont want to stay in greece. You know, we process them. They want to go north. I have to say, most of them do not go to the uk. Germany that go to the uk. Its germany that takes in masses and masses of them. And actually its a its a european problem that can be dealt with by europe. We take we have very few actually of the people who cross over from north africa to and get to us most most of them go else go elsewhere on the way i mean and as long as we just use this ridiculous rhetoric like about hurricane and millions i mean, actually, you know, Britain Britain does not take very many refugees compared to the rest. But, i mean, do you think they should take more . I think we should have a european system, and i think we should do it properly. It certainly sounds like labours position as well on all of whether not theyll of this, whether or not theyll overtly say that. But they seem to heading towards those to be heading back towards those quotas decided by quotas that are decided by by brussels reflect the brussels just to reflect the audience on of this, jeff audience on all of this, jeff says, i love the home secretarys speech. However, i do agree with nigel farage. There Firm Solutions there was no Firm Solutions about andy about migration, and andy endorsed it, saying the home secretary tough is fine, secretary talking tough is fine, but action is what need. But action is what we need. Exactly. Theres lots exactly. You know, theres lots of theres of of bluster. Theres lots of phrases. Seeing policies . Phrases. Are we seeing policies . You the moment bibby you know, at the moment bibby stockholm whats happened with that . Rwanda that . Weve got the rwanda decision that decision coming soon that doesnt seem to be an awful lot changing despite the rhetoric. No, youre absolutely right. No, youre absolutely right. And know, its her and i mean, you know, its her Department Agent who managed to get old boat and get some ropey old boat and stick people in it while there was as legionella legion as disease. And you think come on, guys, you can surely do better than that. But also, its her department that isnt processing people so that isnt processing people so that you know that if you get to britain, youre going to be here for a few years and you can probably sort of quietly escape from the hotel , all because from the hotel, all because actually what we should be doing is people who come is processing people who come through thats through the department thats causing or is causing those delays or is it the legal claims that are being made by these . Because there a long because there is a long process. If you arrive without because there is a long proc documentationie without because there is a long proc documentation and thout because there is a long proc documentation and youre any documentation and youre making an asylum claim, you therefore go through therefore have to go through lots in to order be lots of loopholes in to order be granted asylum. Its about granted asylum. Its not about people in the home office necessarily sitting twiddling their thumbs. Necessarily sitting twiddling the theyre s. Necessarily sitting twiddling the theyre not theyre not theyre not theyre not twiddling thumbs. Mean, twiddling their thumbs. I mean, there arent enough of them. I mean, of spending money mean, instead of spending money on should spending on hotels, we should be spending money people who money on on hiring people who can do this. I mean, most most people who who have no claim to asylum can be sent back very fast. I mean, there can be, but theyre not. Well, they would be sent back very fast if there was a proper process. But i do think for years the parties should be more grown up and recognised that this is not and recognised that this is not a for matter party politics. Its one on which the major parties in this country should try agree because actually try and agree because actually when at those figures when you look at those figures that they finally publish about the population in the the growth in population in the uk, you find its around half a million. I mean, how many more half a million of people who have no previous connection with this country are we prepared to receive and take in . I mean, look, if i was thinking about this for an article i was writing about my 50 years in london and in my time, london has changed from an international city, which it always should be, to a foreign city, which it shouldnt be. Well, not where i live. Its. Its. Its lovely. Its. Its international. Its not foreign. And i its international. And foreign at the same thing. No. Well he says that that its not i mean so, so im sure like you that in my street an awful lot of people have their parents were born in other in other places is there not english. Engush places is there not english. English right. I mean even you know the i mean, my daughters father, i mean, you know, russian russia , swedish. I mean, russian russia, swedish. I mean, but hes as British International same as boris. The rest of it. Im an irish. Im sort of bi, im bisexual. I can be i can be irish or british. Yeah. So precisely, precisely. Two passports. I want to ask you about. Its an image i wont be able to put out of my mind. David, can i ask you. David, can i ask you. And being bisexual, im sorry that. And ive got to eat my breakfast later on, too, right . So the Prime Minister will say today , you know, were going say today, you know, were going to see a £36 billion from not exit in the northern leg and theyre going to reinvest that in some sort of train infrastructure. We are led to infrastructure. We are led to believe in the north east and north west of england and i thought we were axing it because we were broke. We were broke. Well, i mean, hes going to spend the money. I cannot understand this whole thing. Understand this whole thing. Theyve spent all that money building a railway line from just outside london to birmingham. Just outside london to birmingham. I just outside london to birmingham. I mean, this brings birmingham. I mean, this brings pubuc birmingham. I mean, this brings Public Policy in this country into disrepute and shows, of course , what has been a major course, what has been a major british problem for several decades. And that is that people cant do big projects. We cant do big projects in this country. And i personally think its ludicrous. I mean, okay, maybe we shouldnt have started the wretched thing. But having started it , we wretched thing. But having started it, we should jolly well finish it. If i lived in the north, i wouldnt believe a word that theyre saying. I mean. I mean connecting City Transport in the north is so terrible. And you just know. I mean, you know, for a lot of people , hs2 wasnt a lot of people, hs2 wasnt going to wasnt to going deal with anything anyway because because theres no i mean, this makes this country look a shambles and its the only thing ijust shambles and its the only thing i just see this as a way, a patronising way of buying votes. Right . So theyre saying, right, where can we see . Right. Well scrap this big project, which wont affect too many people in terms of votes. But if we spread the money out in leeds and liverpool and hull and newcastle and whatever, this will buy us some sort of vote. Buy them some leeway for some tax breaks before. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah, same thing. Its thing. Yeah, same thing. Its interesting. I think the most senior conservative outside of london, street , he said london, andy street, he said that its axed , he says this that if its axed, he says this is turning rishi sunak turning his back on the north. And for a conservative mayor to say that i know and also a good one. I mean, you know, i dont have lot time for a lot of have a lot of time for a lot of these people who become mayors because they have because usually they have no background makes background that makes them qualified the of qualified to make the kind of big decision have make. Big decision they have to make. But was executive of but he was chief executive of john lewis, and i know him and i think first class man. Think hes a first class man. And hes not someone who just shouts lot of empty party shouts a lot of empty Party Propaganda and i think those are the intelligent voices that are beginning to become appalled by the way this whole debate is going and what were going to end up having is a railway line that has cost us billions and billions of pounds that goes from somewhere in birmingham, not new street. They have find it to so they have to find it to acton. I mean, you know, what is going on. Its preposterous. It is. We its preposterous. It is. We can all agree on that. Yeah even eamonn agrees about that. I agree an expert on agree with an expert on preposterousness in all its many forms. Should we go to holiday homes . This is norfolks picturesque village, this dubbed chelsea on sea. And the locals are fighting back. David, what are fighting back. David, what are they saying . Are they saying . Well, i think what theyre saying is that they dont think its there should be its right, that there should be a lot of work done converting places that local people could live in into holiday homes. And theres some figures about houday theres some figures about holiday lettings that are quite depressing. I have a sort of an interesting view on this least i flatter myself. I think it is because i have recently returned turned to the part of the world, dorset, where i was born and bought a house there. Now am i a houday bought a house there. Now am i a holiday maker . Am i a weekender . I object. You know, people with i object. You know, people with accents. You could cut with a knife from somewhere in other parts of the country, or indeed even Northern Ireland. And you know, theyre trying to say to me i shouldnt come back to dorset, where i was born, with my family was born. And i think theres its a very thin line between, on the one hand, wanting protect your local wanting to protect your local community another. To go back community in another. To go back to the famous old phrase, im all right, jack, pull up the ladden all right, jack, pull up the ladder. Got ladder. You know, ive got a nice house in in in the country. Why should other people have the right to it . Im all right. David is a problem, right . I mean, there is no question that in an awful lot of places, people are being priced out because you can airbnb, you can you can sell holiday homes to rich londoners and i and i think that actually that in the end, the locals have to have a say. I couldnt agree more and that they do have in the planning process ways of stopping the conversion into houday stopping the conversion into holiday homes and things like that. Holiday homes and things like that. And they should exercise that. And they should exercise those rights. But lets be quite clear in almost every debate that one ever sees on the radio or hears on the radio or sees on the television about this, most of the people who are trying to defend a status quo, they dont say, ah , i dont want i dont say, ah, i dont want i dont these people down here in dorset. No they speak like theyve come from somewhere up north and now they think were were down from up north to hell with rest you , dear. With the rest of you, dear. So londons full of foreigners and we dont like anyone with an accent in dorset. But lets move to space. Would you be upset by junk from. From you be upset by junk from. From earth up there . Got are weve got enough junk . Got enough junk . We dont need any more junk. Im against junk. I im againstjunk. I mean, this, this this actually is a really important story is there are thousands and thousands of satellites going round around and they come to the end of their lives and nothing happens. And they are going to start crashing into each other. But and so what nasa in the states has done is to find a particular Company Company for not doing it. But but actually, the fine is so low that its worth not going to make any difference. Yeah, make any difference. Yeah, absolutely. Is that they go so you price that in and actually we and it is something we have to take seriously. I mean when they start crashing it because of all i mean an awful lot of our communications are now Satellite Communications when they start going into that it is real trouble. So actually we have now got a problem with junk in space. Okay. And weve got a problem okay. And weve got a problem with space on the program. So weve got to go to the break and weve got to go to the break and weve got to go to the break and weve got the defence secretary standing by when we come back. See you then 15 minutes before 7 00. A very good morning to you. If youve just joined us, this is breakfast on gb news keeping you updated on your tv online and on your radio. And heres a reminder of our top stories this morning. Top stories this morning. Britain faces a migrant hurricane, says the home secretary in her keynote speech at Tory Party Conference, Suella Braverman warns of millions more migrants arriving on britains shores unless her own government takes decisive action. In his keynote speech today, the Prime Minister will shed more light on his plans for hs2 and promise an end to 30 years of the status quo in politics. Live coverage of that here on. Live coverage of that here on. Gb news from 11 am. And what do you make of government proposals to ban transgenders from female hospital wards will be debating that issue at around 7 20. And as always, your views. Very welcome. Very welcome. In transgender orders from female hospital wards. I think its very confusing. A lot of people sort of miss the point of the argument or to other people, the argument or to other people, the argument or to other people, the argument is just quite obvious as to what it is about. Do you find it is it insulting . Do you find it is it insulting . Is it a an awkward conversation to have with. Well, i mean, i think for years, i mean , weve weve had years, i mean, weve weve had were supposed to have female wards and actually theyve been mixed. Thats true. Ive always. Ive always. Yeah. They make all this fuss. Yeah. The thing about transgender it isnt so much about womens safety, its that if you are born a woman, you know, you do have a cervix and youre going to have , youre youre going to have, youre going to have womens problems. But i think, i mean, i mean, this is more red meat right to the tory party because. No i dont. I think its silly to make it into a Party Political issue. Youre disappointing me today, david. I came in with hope in my heart. This is an intelligent conversation. This has been made i someone, someone pretending to be you or what . Well, so you dont think that this is trying to appeal to people sort of culture wars rather than address issues like the strikes in the health service, the waiting list crisis, all those issues crisis, all those other issues that, you know, arguably the Health Secretary could be focusing. Long have got . Focusing. How long have you got . But very long. But no, but not very long. Secretary. But the defence secretary. But the one thing that do think is one thing that i do think is important is that, you know, all this transgender i feel this transgender stuff, i feel sorry someone who sorry for someone who is so distressed by their that distressed by their state that they have to go through painful procedures it procedures or these days it seems call yourself seems you can call yourself a woman without having an unnecessary procedures unnecessary surgical procedures carried it . Carried out, isnt it . , but what . How did we but, but what . How did we survive before . Because im not going to accuse you of being old because youre not. But eamonn and i are old guys. When did you i mean , we we grew up i mean, we never. We grew up without any transgender stuff and all the rest of it. Where has it all come from . Because they the closet. Eamonn is not saying anything. That is a huge debate which we dont have time get into, we dont have time to get into, unfortunately, because the defence standing defence secretary is standing by. Have more from by. Right. Well have more from david shortly david and scarlett very shortly. So lets cross then to manchester. Secretary of state for grant shapps joining for defence grant shapps joining us. Good morning to you. Look, us. Good morning to you. Look, train strikes today , i gather train strikes today, i gather lots of people left conference last night to get back to london or wherever theyve come from before all of the disruption. Do before all of the disruption. Do you think theres going to be much of a crowd for the Prime Minister today . Yes, im pretty confident therell be a crowd. Theres actually of anticipation actually a lot of anticipation up here. The Prime Minister is looking fonnard to coming on, describing the kind of some of the difficult long term. But necessary decisions for this country. So. You can sort of country. So. You can sort of plot out his route to a Brighter Future. So hes hes hes pleased to be here. And i think the hall will be very full to answer your question, do you believe there is a hurricane coming . I think youre probably referring to the home secretarys speech yesterday where she makes the very sensible point that actually the world is a dangerous place. Weve seen whats happening in europe. Weve seen a lot of people move from europe, from ukraine as a result of that. And coming to the uk, including to my house as it happens, when i had three ukrainian come and live with us for a year. What shes talking about is there is a danger that the world has become more disruptive and more people are therefore forced to up and move as defence secretary. One of the things that im focussed on is of course trying to keep us safe in the world and try to calm down some those trouble as some of those trouble spots as well, why the defence well, which is why the defence of the realm is so important. But i think thats what she was referring to in her speech and she makes a very good point. Say she makes a very good you say she makes a very good point. There some point. You know, there were some suggesting she was, you suggesting that she was, you know, critical of the know, pretty critical of the cabinet of the government. How comfortable are you with those sort of criticisms being levelled eve the prime levelled on the eve of the Prime Ministers big Conference Speech . I . I absolutely, genuinely didnt see it or hear it that way at all. Look, here is a government that has fought tooth and nail against the opposition, against the labour party. Sir keir starmer, to pass legislation to, for example, stop the illegal migration through small boats that illegal people trafficked through small boats. And weve done that against all the votes in the commons and the house of lords, where labour have been trying to stop us from passing laws to stop us from passing laws to stop people from coming here illegally. Has got illegally. This country has got a open and warm welcome for a big open and warm welcome for people who are genuinely coming here through the points based system to improve our society. What is not right is people being people smuggled to this country, and that is what were determined to stop. And by the way, weve actually got the figures down 20. Weve got fewer crossings this year. Again, as i say, fighting tooth and nail against an opposition who dont seem have a plan all for this. You briefly alluded to the problems in the countries that a lot of these people are fleeing from and ive got a comment from a viewer and listener, margaret , who says, why dont the people who criticise us on the migrant issue have a go at the countries that they originally fled from for their failure of care for their own people . Why is it always our fault . So can you always our fault . So can you tell me , secretary of state, tell me, secretary of state, what britain is trying to do in any of those countries and what sort of money are they using to do it with . Is that for the do it with . Is that for the foreign aid budget . Is that what thats used for . Well, i think both the foreign aid budget where we try to resolve problems so people dont end up migrating in the first place, but also from a Defence Point of view , i spent Defence Point of view, i spent all of my time looking at situations around the world and trying to assist to make sure we dont get mass migrations of people. A very good example on people. A very good example on sunday i sent battalion to kosovo , our British Armed forces kosovo, our British Armed forces assigned over to nato because weve seen the cost of serbian border potential problems and we all know what happens if these things spark up in places like the balkans from the history in the balkans from the history in the past. So were trying to the past. So were trying to calm things down. Meanwhile while we saw migration , for while we saw migration, for example, coming from places like albania to where theres absolutely no reason for people to be coming here from an asylum perspective from albania to we did a deal with albania so we can return people. And this year weve seen a huge drop in the number of people coming from albania. So this conservative government is gripping this issue. Weve fall in the issue. Weve seen a fall in the number people coming here number of people coming here illegally. Afraid the same illegally. Im afraid the same cant be said for keir starmer , cant be said for keir starmer, who votes against every single message. Every single measure we message. Every single measure we take to stop people from illegally travelling. Illegally travelling. Ive got to ask you about hs2. We expect Prime Minister. We expect the Prime Minister to it as former to scrap it today. As a former transport secretary, are you satisfied that this isnt turning your back on levelling up as the conservative mayor, andy street says it will be if it happens , it absolutely is not it happens, it absolutely is not turning our back at all. In fact, of course, we need to wait for the Prime Ministers speech. If he were to scrap and its the second leg of hs2 were talking about and take that money, really judge it money, you cant really judge it without out that without finding out where that money to spent money is going to be spent because that actually have because that could actually have a fantastic levelling up opportunity. Billions of pounds, opportunity. Billions of pounds, tens of billions pounds. So tens of billions of pounds. So what could that be spent on . And perhaps there are things which are worthwhile than are worthwhile doing more than building a high speed rail line given covid given whats happened since , given the change happened since, given the change in travel patterns. So here in travel patterns. So here youve got a Prime Minister as say, prepare to look at very, very difficult things. Lot very difficult things. So a lot of people away from these of people shy away from these difficult term decisions. Difficult long term decisions. He make he thinks that we can make better term decisions, have better long term decisions, have a future by doing that. A Brighter Future by doing that. Not afraid to sometimes take the difficult decisions have as difficult decisions that have as chancellor cosy consensus as chancellor a cosy consensus as he could have called for it. When Boris Johnson. The difference in so i think difference in office. So i think the big difference and i think your viewers will your your viewers will appreciate as covid i was appreciate this as covid i was just saying , my son, who is 19, just saying, my son, who is 19, has taken up a job, a new job where they only expect him to be in the office three days a week. The world has fundamentally changed now. Now, we didnt know changed now. Now, we didnt know that until covid and no one was really sure what the travel patterns would return to. But patterns would return to. But now we know that. Why would you not think about whether you can take that money and use it on something which levels up even better . Those are the sort of difficult decisions this pms prepared to make. I think actually deserves credit. Prepared to make. I think act|so. Y deserves credit. Prepared to make. I think act|so what deserves credit. Prepared to make. I think act|so what would as credit. Prepared to make. I think act|so what would you edit. Prepared to make. I think act|so what would you edit to so what would you say to people who say hes taking that money to use it on Something Different that something money to use it on Something Different is that something money to use it on Something Different is ibuy something money to use it on Something Different is ibuy votes. Hing money to use it on Something Different is ibuy votes inlg money to use it on Something Different is ibuy votes in the different is to buy votes in the north of england . Well, i dont think theres anything wrong by the way, with providing the things that people want, whether that a new more localised transport rail or road connections, surely thats the job of politicians. Thats a good thing to be doing. Well have to see. Well have to wait. First of all, well have to wait for his speech. Secondly, we need to hear the other half of this. All weve heard is this. So far, all weve heard is about hs2 two and whether that second might not go ahead. Second leg might not go ahead. We still have much further, faster journeys, by the way , faster journeys, by the way, between london manchester between london and Manchester City , significantly faster. City, significantly faster. Theyre upgrading of theyre still upgrading of railway that can also Railway Lines that can also digital signalling, modern techniques speed up techniques which can speed up those given what we those journeys. Given what we know travel patterns, why know about travel patterns, why not money and spend it not take that money and spend it on things . Difficult on other things . Difficult decision make. Not going to decision to make. Not going to be thats be popular with everyone. Thats the this prime the sort of thing this Prime Minister is prepared to do. Unlike mike. I would suggest keir starmer, will say or do keir starmer, who will say or do whatever he thinks is popular in the not for the long the moment, not for the long term. The moment, not for the long terr secretary state. Secretary of state. Secretary of state. Very much indeed thank you very much indeed for time this morning. Have for your time this morning. Have a of conference. A good rest of conference. Appreciate to you. Thank a good rest of conference. App veryte to you. Thank a good rest of conference. App very much to you. Thank a good rest of conference. App very much indeed. Ou. Thank you very much indeed. Im interested know and im interested to know what home think about what people at home think about all that, whether or not they all of that, whether or not they think that actually this could be way be actually better way of levelling country as they levelling up the country as they will try to persuade you to vote. What theyre doing. What theyre doing. What theyre doing. Hes just admitted it. Theyre buying your vote. And he says good use of money. Says thats a good use of money. Gb views a gb news dot com. In meantime, though, lets in the meantime, though, lets take at your take a little look at your forecast. Heres alex barker. Hello good morning. We have a north south split in our weather today. Heres your latest gb news weather bulletin. Im alex burkill. We are going see burkill. We are going to see some already across some wet weather already across western parts of scotland feeding further eastwards across many we go through the many parts as we go through the day. But the heaviest rain will always be across Western Areas where likely to see totals where were likely to see totals building localised building up some localised flooding disruption to flooding and disruption to travel elsewhere across travel here. Elsewhere across many parts the uk, there will many parts of the uk, there will be around, perhaps be some showers around, perhaps not as we yesterday not as many as we saw yesterday and probably wont be quite and they probably wont be quite as intense. And theres a lower chance some thunder to chance of seeing some thunder to. The will be slightly. So the winds will be slightly less and the temperatures less strong and the temperatures reaching highs around 19, possibly celsius. Should possibly 20 celsius. It should feel in any feel relatively warm in any sunny breaks. Through the end of sunny breaks. Through the end of the are going see any the day, we are going to see any showers out. But there showers dying out. But there will some outbreaks of will still be some outbreaks of rain around. See some rain around. You can see some rain around. You can see some rain parts northern rain across parts of Northern England Northern Ireland england into Northern Ireland and some rain pushing into parts of wales and the south west and then another swathe of wet weather scotland weather feeding across scotland as the early hours as we go through the early hours of but of the of thursday. But because of the cloud it is likely to cloud and rain, it is likely to be milder night than it has be a milder night than it has been recently for many places, at least go through at least as we go through thursday. Quite a cloudy, thursday. Then quite a cloudy, damp across particularly damp picture across particularly Western Northwestern parts brighter towards the east. But even here i expecting the even here i am expecting the cloud fill in a little bit as cloud to fill in a little bit as we go into the afternoon. More wet weather then pushing its way in the west and the in from the west and the northwest. Is going to northwest. And so it is going to turn increasing wet, particularly western particularly across western parts as we go parts of scotland as we go through and through thursday. And into friday. For many friday. Temperatures for many similar today. Similar to today. Good morning. Its just turned 7 00 on wednesday, the 4th of october. Youre tuned into breakfast on gb news with eamonn and isabel. Thank you very much indeed for your company. And leading the news on this wednesday morning. Britain faces a migrant hurricane , so the a migrant hurricane, so says the home secretary. In her speech at home secretary. In her speech at Party Conference yesterday , Party Conference yesterday, Suella Braverman of Suella Braverman warns of millions more migrants arriving on britains shores unless her own government takes decisive action. The wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the Hurricane Ian that is coming. Hurricane ian that is coming. Well, our Home Affairs Correspondent mark white went to the italian island of lampedusa, which has been ovennhelmed by migrants. And hell be bringing us his report on that in a few moments time. The Prime Minister, hell be making his own speech later at conference in manchester today. Conference in manchester today. Our deputy Political Editor, tom hannood, will be telling you what to expect. Tom its a make or break moment for the Prime Minister, perhaps his only Conference Speech before the next general election. Much has been trailed, much still to be decided. But might there be some rabbits out of the hat . Ill have the latest. Hat . Ill have the latest. Well, those leaving the conference this evening might have a hard time getting home as a National Strike by train drivers across 16 companies is taking place today. Our reporter jack has more on the jack carson has more on the disruption as the unions , of disruption as the unions, of course, continue to fight for better pay and working conditions. Train services across the country come a standstill country come to a standstill still. Ill have the latest here in manchester. And pulling out on time throughout the program this morning. Alex burkill with the weather forecast. Weather forecast. Whilst there will be lot of whilst there will be a lot of dry across southern dry weather across southern parts, a picture parts, its a wetter picture further some heavy further north with some heavy rain for parts of scotland. Ill have shortly and paul coyte have more shortly and paul coyte will have all the latest from the world of sport. I will. Ill tell you, im full of the joys of spring bad Champions League for Champions League night for Manchester United and arsenal or full time if youre a var operator. Worse, if operator. And even worse, if youre a south korean roller skater. Oh, okay. Do you know whats a very interesting piece of video yesterday of the dancer fred astaire . Yeah, dancing with fred astaire . Yeah, dancing with Ginger Rogers on roller skates. Oh, really . Wow. Thats an oh, really . Wow. Thats an extra layer to this. Extra layer to this. Hes also did one playing golf. Did you see where he hit golf. Did you see where he hit golf balls . Unbelievable talent. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, hes got a future there. Fred astaire. Fred astaire. I think. Yes. I think. Yes. Got a future in this business. You can join in with your discussion, show your movie moments with or anything moments with us or anything else. Views to gbnews. Com. Else. Gb views to gbnews. Com. Youve just the defence youve just heard the defence secretary the secretary say that the conservatives are happy to buy your vote by scrapping hs2 and reinvest in the money in other areas that are more us you think than spending it on a train line thatis than spending it on a train line that is no gb views or gbnews. Com or tweet gb news is. Gbnews. Com or tweet gb news is. To our top story. Then this morning and the home secretary accused her own party of being squeamish over deaung party of being squeamish over dealing with immigration, adding that smears of being racist will not work with her. So this was a reference to Harold Macmillans winds of change speech Suella Braverman warned attendees of the conference of hurricane of mass migration. Migration. Yes, she is the wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane that is coming. Is coming. Let me tell you, our country has become enmeshed in a dense net of International Rules that were designed for another era. Were designed for another era. And it is labour that turbo charged their impact by passing the misnamed human rights act. I am surprised they didnt call it the criminal rights act. Well, strong words from the home secretary there who will no only too well that whatever the reason , migrants continue to reason, migrants continue to flee their own country and head to europe. There are no quick fixes now. Many of them arrive via the small italian island of lampedusa, which has become the frontline of the migrant crisis. And its from there. Our Homeland Security editor mark white sends this report. White sends this report. A week after more than 11,000 migrants arrived on this tiny italian island , we watched as italian island, we watched as the final batch of 101 mainly young men from sub Saharan Africa left to board a ferry to the italian mainland. The italian mainland. Authorities here took advantage of several days of bad weather in the med to clear the decks ahead of the next surge of migrant arrivals. It is migrant arrivals. It is a seemingly never ending cycle in the Mass Movement of people across this sea. Lampedusas across this sea. Lampedusas geography. Physical location geography. Physical location closer to north africa than italy puts it on the front line of europes growing migrant crisis. S but of europes growing migrant crisis. S but many of the of europes growing migrant crisis. S but many of the 6000 crisis. S but many of the 6000 residents here say they feel forgotten, ovennhelmed by the constant arrivals with little concrete action from europes politicians , the italian red politicians, the italian red cross run the main Migrant Reception Centre on lampedusa. Reception centre on lampedusa. Theyve been drafting in Additional Support to deal with the next surge in arrivals as the next surge in arrivals as the chaos of the last surge still fresh in their minds, where at 1. 7 thousand people were crammed into this compound, many clashing with police as they tried to leave. Sir cornelia said the volunteers here felt powerless to help keep more difficult to give the support. But we try to give food, give kit, give psychological support and help support. So we have tried to take care of all the people inside the centre there are real concerns here on lampedusa that the tourist trade , the lifeblood of this island community, could begin to dry up if a solution isnt found to the crisis. Crisis. If you dont have to look far for evidence of its impact here near the entrance to the port, a migrant boat lies beached on the rocks , a gaping hole in its hull rocks, a gaping hole in its hull. All the personal belongings of its human cargo hang over the sides inside the harbour , dozens sides inside the harbour, dozens of other migrant boats that made it here in recent days lie tied up, awaiting removal. Many still full of tire inner tubes use by the migrants as makeshift life jackets further along the quay side, fishermen unload the last of their catch for local restaurants. The winds that have restaurants. The winds that have kept the migrant boats away for several days have also forced these fishermen back to port giacomo. Mino says as the migrant boats are severely impacting their livelihood. Impacting their livelihood. So when we encounter a migrant boat, we call the authorities , they tell us to authorities, they tell us to wait to not do anything. Then the coastguard arrives or the police patrol. But it means were financially ruined. Its a mess. Our work is badly affected. Its too much without. Unlike the vast majority of african migrants who want to head to mainland europe, talaja has made a life for himself here. The Senegalese National says the huge flow of fellow migrants onto this island is simply unsustainable. With rac for, say, milan , the with rac for, say, milan, the government must find a solution as quickly as possible because the island has 6300 inhabited. Then if 11,000 of my brothers come, its a big problem. We have to find a solution quickly because nothing will be done until next summer. For now, these migrants are headed for the mainland. But headed for the mainland. But this is not just an italian problem. Its a europe wide crisis. Many here will crisis. Many here will eventually head north. Some to the coast of northwest france and on to another boat, this time across the english channel. Mark white gb news on lampedusa. So why do millions continue to head to europe despite clear signals that we are ovennhelmed . Well, were about to speak to a 14 year old syrian refugee called bana alabed. She came to the worlds attention when she posted cries for help on social media as her city was bombed and went on to become one of the worlds youngest refugee campaigners and now a Nobel Peace Prize nominee. Well before we hear burnas views, lets see more of her story. More of her story. Ill admit i am eight years old. I live in aleppo. I was old. I live in aleppo. I was scared for a long time. I thought if i could tell people what was happening, i could i thought if i could tell people what was happening , i could help what was happening, i could help the others killed children and some thing amazing started to happen. Some thing amazing started to happen. People started to listen happen. People started to listen. The bombs took away so many things. I loved. I lost my things. I loved. I lost my school , my home, my. School, my home, my. My best friend , my am. I am my best friend, my am. I am of. But i never lost my hope for of. But i never lost my hope for a better tomorrow. A better tomorrow. And bana and her family were eventually able to escape the war and they now live safely in turkey. And im pleased to say barnett joins us this morning. Very morning to you. I have very good morning to you. I have to say, my career, some of the hardest reporting ive ever done was on the attacks in aleppo , was on the attacks in aleppo, particularly the gassing of children there. I remember finding it very, very hard to cover that. Youve lived through the tragedies that we saw in syria. You are now safe, but syria. You are now safe, but youve taken it upon yourself to speak up for people trying to flee from war. Yes of course i do, because no child deserves to be a refugee and no child deserves to be under siege. Deserves to be under siege. And you know, every child deserves to have the right to be educated and live in a Better Future. And in a safe place. Well bannau, its a new life for you now in turkey. You now in turkey. I dont know if turkey will become your permanent home or not, but what is that new life like . Youve just been uprooted from where you were born. Where you lived, what you knew , how you lived, what you knew, how difficult or not difficult has it been to adapt . Its the life here is very nice and im going to school, so its very like im happy. I have friends now and my life is amazing. Of course i do miss my home. I miss my country and i miss every single bit of it. I still remember that. I forgot some dolls of mine when my home was destroyed before we came to turkey. I started to cry because i wanted to go back there because i wanted to stay there because i wanted to stay there in my home. But as i looked at like as i looked, i saw that i needed a Better Future and i needed to be educated. And so i chose to came here, although no refugee deserves to leave their country, just because of war or anything. So i hope the war stops and life will become better for them. Will become better for them. Do you think . And its hard to ask a 14 year old, sometimes very adult issues, but i want to ask you how where you are of this. Do you think that the plight of a genuine refugee like you and your family is sometimes hampered by those people who are just trying to get a better life moving, perhaps to europe . Because, you know, they want a Safer Community or a better job. Doesit Safer Community or a better job. Does it make it harder , do you does it make it harder, do you think, for your families to be able to find help because of those people . Those people . Um , sometimes, yes. Because um, sometimes, yes. Because many people dont like refugees. They think that, you know, we come here because we like just we want to, like, do nothing. But we are actually refugees. We come from a place that is horrible. We when i was in syria, we couldnt eat anything. So we were always so hungry and always sick. So when we come to always sick. So when we come to always sick. So when we come to a new country and we want help because we dont know the language and we dont know any of the traditions or cultures or anything, and for example, you have kids, right . And you need to get them to go to school. Your kids have to start from the beginning from scratch. You have to the language and to teach them the language and everything , and you have to tell everything, and you have to tell them, for example, not to do this, do that. So its very hard. And then these people come and they are like, we dont want you because refugees you here because youre refugees and theyre like, were going to send to another so, and theyre like, were going to smean, to another so, and theyre like, were going to s mean, what nother so, and theyre like, were going to s mean, what will er so, and theyre like, were going to s mean, what will the so, and theyre like, were going to s mean, what will the refugees , i mean, what will the refugees do . Will they just like say yes and then go to another country and then go to another country and redo the same thing . They have to study the language again and a new job. Its just and find a new job. Its just very hard for us. I mean, no refugee, no refugee wants this life. They just want to go to a place where they feel they are wanted and they just want to make a new home for their family and just to live a peaceful life. You just want to be safe. You just want to be safe. I think its very hard for anyone who hasnt come through a threat earning situation as you have done or lived in a threatening situation. To understand and what refuge, what sanction jury actually means , sanction jury actually means, because thats what youre looking for. Youre looking for sanctuary, isnt it . And hopefully youve youve found it there. What would your plea to there. What would your plea to be those of us in europe and beyond and the European Union and the uk government . What would you say to them in terms of understanding the plight of refugees actually , actually, my refugees actually, actually, my brother is doing a speech tomorrow in the assembly. Tomorrow in the assembly. Hes going to be talking about kindness. So he wanted my help and he was like , youre help and he was like, youre good at, you know, writing speeches. So i want to do to fix my word. He just ten years old and then he gave me the paper and then he gave me the paper and it was amazing seeing how he wrote it. It was like i was just wrote it. It was like i was just shocked what he was saying that kindness is all about patience and understanding. And he just and understanding. And he just went and straight up said in his like how he wrote it. Hes like , if you are not kind to people , the harsh truth, the harsh truth is that no one will like you. I was shocked. And then he was like, um, helping people that are in need is actually really nice. He will be kind to them and you will receive kindness to yourself because you will think, you know, ive done such a great thing and i gave them hope. So how can i ask you, do you think that the uk, where were speaking to you from, is the uk seen around the world as a kind country to refugees . A kind country to refugees . Um , in my opinion, uk is um, in my opinion, uk is really nice. I visited many times and i love it. Im actually planning to be like to enter a university in the uk because me and my mum love it so much. Yes some people in the uk are very kind to the refugees and some of them may not be kind, which is its their opinion. Im not going to be like, oh, why are you not kind to them . Everyone has an opinion, right . But sometimes, you know, we should be all understanding. And even though understanding. And even though we hate a person or anything, we should be kind to them. After all. And we should understand that the refugees are actually going through a lot of pain and suffering. And its just very hard for them. And does that pain and suffering stay with you . Do you have dreams . Do you have nightmares . Do you have worries about what went through . Or about what you went through . Or are just thankful that are you just thankful that youre longer there . Youre no longer there . Indeed thankful im no i am indeed thankful im no longer there, but its still it is very traumatising since i still dream of being in syria and under the bombing. And i still recall how my house was destroyed and everything was just black and till today, my brothers are afraid to sleep alone. So they have to like stay in me in one room because im the oldest. So theyre like, no, please, were so scared. Stay with us. We want you to be with us. And i recall when we were younger , we didnt want to go younger, we didnt want to go out from the room, from our parents room when we were young. So it was very, very scary. Um we also like when the when we hear any aeroplanes and hear like when theres a celebration , we actually think its like a real plane thats to going bomb us. So one time we literally, we went and under the table and we start to cry and my parents just came and they were like, its okay. Its just a celebration and there is nothing. So these and there is nothing. So these like , memories is still are like, memories is still are stuck with us because we went through a lot. I still stuck with us because we went through a lot. I still remember through a lot. I still remember that. I used to take my like brothers to a room when we were in syria when we heard a bomb. And i was just hug them and i was like singing a song and alibi to them just so that they couldnt hear it. So so its very not nice thing to live under. Unden of course its not. And thank you so much for recounting that story and maybe giving people a perspective of what its like to flee from violence and war. And just final point, banner, what do you want to be in 6 or 7 years from now . Youll enter into a career . What is it when you come to university in britain that you you want to be . I really hope that i can be a doctor since i love helping people a lot. And then maybe people a lot. And then maybe i can be something even greater so i can help more people. I im i love helping people. Its like one of the things that i knew since i was like a child and yeah. And when , yeah, when we, yeah. And when, yeah, when we, when i go to school and i see someone crying, i just go and just go near them and be like, whats wrong . You can tell me. And you know, people love to talk to me because im an understanding person. So i love to become a doctor. And then maybe hopefully we love talking to you this morning. Doctors as well. Doctors as well. Good luck with your Nobel Peace Prize nomination as well. Ihave peace prize nomination as well. I have a feeling you might do very well. Thanks for talking to us this morning on gb news. Thanks for telling us your story. Bannau makes a very good point. You know, im doing an audience with toure in glasgow and huddersfield in the next few weeks, and one of the big aspect of what im going to talk about are the troubles in Northern Ireland and banner knows what a bomb sounds like. She knows what bomb sounds like. She knows what a bullet sounds like. She knows what aircraft attack aircraft what an aircraft attack aircraft sounds like. And unless youve sort of grown up in those situations and those things stay with you in life as to how they affect you and whether you sleep or not or how you dealt with them as a as a child, i tell the story of how i was on a bus going to school one morning and i ran up the driveway at school. The bus blows up, literally blows up. And i says to i said blows up. And i says to i said to my head, master, father, its okay. Its okay. Im all right. Im okay. Everythings okay. And he gave me the very caring word , really gave me his blessing. , really gave me his blessing. And he just said detention , son. And he just said detention, son. And he just said detention, son. And that was it. Nowadays id have a counsellor for six years and go through trauma guidance and go through trauma guidance and whatever, but thats the way it was in 1974. Same age as banner was when i went through that. Let us know your thoughts on what she had to say and were going to now reflect on what we can expect. The Prime Minister to say today. Rishi sunak expected to take the floor and announce that the northern leg of between birmingham of hs2 between birmingham and manchester scrapped manchester will be scrapped dunng manchester will be scrapped during well during his speech today. Well joining us now is our deputy Political Editor, tom hannood. Lots anticipation about this lots of anticipation about this. A bit testy. Frankly, he was a bit testy when was being asked about when he was being asked about this by journalists yesterday, say to on his say he wants to do this on his own terms and hell try and persuade us that, you know, hes not the cash for hs2, but he not got the cash for hs2, but he can still level up. Will he be can still level up. Will he be able to convince us . Well its a ploy, an election ploy, perhaps a revenue neutral idea that getting rid of the northern leg of hs2 between birmingham and manchester, although still getting those hs2 trains running on existing lines, if were to believe all of the speculation on that leaves 30 billion or so to invest in other projects. Now, the great irony of this conference is , of course, the conference is, of course, the slogan is a long term decisions for a Brighter Future. Some might argue that this is an intensely short term decision , intensely short term decision, ditching a project that could take up to decades to complete in favour of perhaps faster projects that might be delivered in time for the next election. In time for the next election. No doubt the Prime Minister will speak about extra investment in buses and indeed on road quality. And i think were going to hear a lot from the Prime Minister about drivers, not just just the changing things with regards to hs2 , but shifting regards to hs2, but shifting a focus towards the many millions of people who rely on cars. And i think the Prime Minister will be leaning in to this idea that theres been a war on cars, a war on the motorist, something he wants to change, and that is the theme of the speech change, which is peculiar for a Prime Minister who is the incoming tonight. But what will be attempted to take place later on today here in manchester is a bit of a switcheroo. The Prime Minister painting sir keir starmer and the labour party as the agent of continuity and rishi sunaks conservative party as the agents of change. Hell talk about a 30 year consensus in terms of how things have been done and points to different ways that he is changing things. Its very clear that the Prime Minister has decided that he needs to be the change candidate at this next election and weve seen 11 months or so of rishi sunakin seen 11 months or so of rishi sunak in the job steady ing the markets, getting everything calms down. And clearly weve now seen a turn in the corner, a change in that strategy delivered thing for the Prime Minister. Something rather more radical. Thank you, tom. Thank you very much indeed. Time now for your latest weather update. We your latest weather update. We think its going to be a good rest of week. Alex burkill will tell you more. Hello. Good morning. We have a north south split in our weather. Heres your weather today. Heres your latest news weather bulletin. Latest gb news weather bulletin. Im alex burkill. We are going to see some wet weather already across western parts of scotland feeding eastwards across feeding further eastwards across many parts we go through the many parts as we go through the day. Rain will day. But the heaviest rain will always across Western Areas always be across Western Areas where likely to see totals where were likely to see totals building some localised building up some localised flooding to flooding and disruption to travel here. Elsewhere across many parts the uk , there will many parts of the uk, there will be some showers around, perhaps not as many as we saw yesterday and probably be quite and they probably wont be quite as theres a lower as intense and theres a lower chance of seeing some thunder too. Be slightly too. The winds will be slightly less and with less strong and with temperatures highs less strong and with temper19ires highs less strong and with temper19 possibly highs less strong and with temper19 possibly 20 highs less strong and with temper19 possibly 20 celsius, around 19 possibly 20 celsius, it should feel relatively warm in sunny breaks the in any sunny breaks through the end of the day, we are going to see any showers dying out, but there will still be some outbreaks rain around. You outbreaks of rain around. You can across parts can see some rain across parts of england into of Northern England into Northern Ireland and some rain pushing parts of wales and pushing into parts of wales and the then another the south west and then another swathe weather feeding swathe of wet weather feeding across scotland through across scotland as we go through the of thursday. But the early hours of thursday. But because the cloud rain, because of the cloud and rain, it is likely to be a milder night it been recently night than it has been recently for places, at least we for many places, at least as we go thursday. Then quite go through thursday. Then quite a picture across a cloudy, damp picture across particularly Western Northwestern parts brighter towards east. But even here towards the east. But even here i am expecting the cloud to fill in a little bit as we go into the afternoon. More wet weather than pushing its way in from the west and northwest. And so than pushing its way in from the wnis. And northwest. And so than pushing its way in from the wnis going northwest. And so than pushing its way in from the wnis going to northwest. And so than pushing its way in from the wnis going to turmwest. And so than pushing its way in from the wnis going to turn increasinglyo it is going to turn increasingly wet, particularly western wet, particularly across western parts we go parts of scotland as we go through into through thursday and into friday. Temperatures many friday. Temperatures for many similar today. Similar to today. Good. Coming up next on the good. Coming up next on the programme , what do you think of programme, what do you think of government proposals to ban transgender women from female hospital wards . Well be debating that in the next few moments as. We re were going to take a look now as the time strikes 7 30 at some of the other stories coming into the newsroom this morning, at least 21 people have died after a carrying tourists a a bus carrying tourists to a campground crashed near venice. Local media is reporting that the coach came an overpass the coach came off an overpass and landed near Railway Lines. But the cause of the accident remains. Remains unclear. The governments former chief scientific adviser has described bofis scientific adviser has described Boris Johnsons Decision Making dunng Boris Johnsons Decision Making during the coronavirus pandemic as completely inconsistent. The covid 19 Public Inquiry heard diary entries from sir Patrick Vallance, who said experts were used as human shields for the government. Number 10 says it government. Number 10 says it acted to save lives and protect the nation in the United States i and after leading a successful bypass Design Effort to avoid Government Shutdown , to avoid Government Shutdown, republican Kevin Mccarthy has been voted out of his role as House Speaker. This is the first time in us history that a speaker of the house has been removed from office. And Victoria Beckham has opened up on what she describes as the hardest period of her marriage to famous footballer husband david. Speaking in a new Netflix Documentary series named beckham, the designer addressed the speculation that david had an affair whilst he was playing for real madrid in 2003. Do you know these documentaries that we get on the streaming services . They are very, very good. They are. They they give you an insight because i mean, people often dont sort of sit down in the studio and confess all of this. But if theyve got the footage, theyve got the stories, it to stories, they relate it to historical matters. They do concern me sometimes because how much control do the people actually have that are actually featuring in the documentary . Fair point. You know, weve seen it with football documentaries. Weve seen theres some things with lance armstrong, which is one thing which only go one way with which could only go one way with David Beckham. Havent seen which could only go one way with daviyet,ckham. Havent seen which could only go one way with daviyet, butam. Havent seen which could only go one way with daviyet, but id havent seen which could only go one way with daviyet, but id beiavent seen which could only go one way with daviyet, but id be yoult seen this yet, but id be you basically two of basically thinking two hours of an or so for, you know an advert or so for, you know what . I know they they have to an advert or so for, you know wh very know they they have to an advert or so for, you know wh very careful1ey they have to an advert or so for, you know wh very careful aboutzy have to an advert or so for, you know wh very careful about the ave to an advert or so for, you know wh very careful about the way o be very careful about the way they do because they have to they do it because they have to give something. But do they give everything the truth, the whole truth nothing but the truth . Truth and nothing but the truth . Thats the i like to live my thats the way i like to live my life. You know that you i mean, you know that you always get the truth from me. The truth is. What chance to manchester and arsenal of progressing in arsenal have of progressing in the in the Champions League are doing well. Do want the truth, the do you want the truth, the whole and but the whole truth and nothing but the truth . No chance truth . Absolutely no chance whatsoever. A disaster. Whatsoever. Its a disaster. You think i dont. Do you think so . No i dont. Do you think so . No i dont. I think its early days. The first games, theres still first two games, theres still plenty of games to go. But at the moment, youre manchester the moment, if youre Manchester United, to lose united, you dont want to lose the two. Thats never the first two. Thats never happened to them in the Champions League. But then again, munich was again, its bayern. Munich was the yeah. So you the first one. Yeah. So you could call it a free hit could almost call it a free hit away in munich. This one should really have won. Yeah against galatasaray defender wasnt good. Wasnt good, good. Goalkeeping wasnt good, made mistakes and erik ten hag has got to do something or else hes going to be in trouble. So things need turn around things need to turn around quickly. Arsenal. Quickly. Same arsenal. I wouldnt for arsenal wouldnt be worried for arsenal , again, it wasnt a great , but again, it wasnt a great result for them. Im in result for them. Im away in france lons. Thats something france in lons. Thats something that they should have won as well. Early if i was well. So early days if i was netflix, making a netflix, id be making a documentary var , i have to documentary on var, i have to say, because you could make documentary on var, i have to say, bstories you could make documentary on var, i have to say, bstories up. Could make these stories up. Script for this is the script for this is absolutely incredible. Really absolutely incredible. It really the transcript what went on the transcript of what went on between liverpool and spurs at the weekend and is playing out in all the papers today and indeed the video. Absolutely i mean to cut a very long story shorter where there were problems because the goal there was a goal that should have been allowed and very simple. They draw the little lines and say, okay, and because it was called offside by the linesman, but then var checked it and they agreed it was offside, it was nowhere near offside. We got a little bit of the transcript. Do you want to hear some of this . We can hear this. Think this is theres so this. I think this is theres so many people involved. Theres this. I think this is theres so ma|operators, involved. Theres this. I think this is theres so ma|operators,invo|ofd. Theres this. I think this is theres so ma|operators, invo|of them,es this. I think this is theres so ma|operators,invo|of them, and var operators, two of them, and then the hub operators. Then theres the hub operators. Theyre that the theyre the ones that draw the lines. You wouldnt lines. So normally you wouldnt hear being spoken to by the hear them being spoken to by the referees. Theyre just doing theyre the that spotted theyre the ones that spotted there a problem. So have there was a problem. So have a listen this. We can hear listen to this. And we can hear them to say delay the game to complete the decision is also. Complete the decision is also. All only saying to delay, only saying to delay all. Yeah. Delay the game to delay yeah. Delay the game to delay the game. Stop the game. The game. Stop the game. The restart the game. Yeah theyve restarted. Yeah. Cant do anything. No i cant do anything. I cant do anything. Anything. I cant do anything. Translate that for its under like a Foreign Language but basically ollie, ollie saying stop the game and they cant do anything. Why couldnt they do anything . Ollie is the senior hub operator and it was mo ollie is the senior hub operator and it was m0 was the fella thats also one of the operators. Hes not one of the var, hes not one of the referees. Hes theyre the ones that are spotted it and saying stop the game. But in the laws of the game. But in the laws of the game once its restarted, you cant stop it. So theyre saying surely youve got to stop this because youve made a mistake. And think and in the background, i think the telling thing is that the most telling thing is that the most telling thing is that the you the breathing thing. So you start hearing this, it was like, stop, right, exactly. Stop, right, exactly. Thank you very much. We have thank you very much. We have to say that to you. That was very nicely done. That was very nicely done. That was by the we need some buddy with you. I know that one. I know that one. Yeah. Yeah. But i thought i thought you said she was a designer, not a singer. Thats in the. Isnt that in the isnt that in the documentary designer Victoria Beckham vocalist. Documentary designer Victoria Beckham thank vocalist. Documentary designer Victoria Beckham thank you vocalist. Documentary designer Victoria Beckham thank you. Vocalist. Documentary designer Victoria Beckham thank you. Thank alist. Documentary designer Victoria Beckham thank you. Thank you . Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very indeed. Very much indeed. Coyte. Paul coyte. Paul coyte. The health okay. Now the Health Secretary during his at secretary during his speech at conference said hell conference yesterday said hell ban from being ban transgender women from being treated in female hospital wards in england. In england. Well, he announced this in a speech at Party Conference. Speech at the Party Conference. Doesnt come the doesnt everything come from the party is Party Conference saying he is pushing against what he called wokery the nhs . Wokery in the nhs . Well , is it wokery in the nhs . Well, is it a good idea to ban trans women from womens wards . Joining us now are debbie hayton, transgender teacher and activist. Good morning to you. Activist. Good morning to you. And nicole turner, author and amy nicole turner, author and broadcaster. Good morning. And broadcaster. Good morning. Lets start with you. If i may, amy. What did you make of what you heard from the Health Secretary yesterday . I dont know. I think they get very overexcited at Tory Party Conference. Dont they . Maybe its because theyre among like minded people. They just let it all out. But i think this is deflection politics, guys, because transgender people make up less than 1 of the population , whereas the more population, whereas the more multiple problems facing the nhs affect 100 of the population , affect 100 of the population, huge waiting lists cant get a gp appointment, people dying , gp appointment, people dying, not being able to get ambulances. And yet lets focus on this. Oh, but also on day two of historical industrial action of consultants and doctors going on strike at the same time. Yet strike at the same time. Yet lets attack some trans people who would probably make up about 7000 patients in a year, which would mean they could probably have a private room anyway. This is also never been complained about across the nhs. No patient has complained. No doctor has complained. This has come out of populist politics and its extremely ugly and its extremely ugly and its extremely worrying really, and pointless. Pointless. Okay, debbie, what would you say to what youre hearing from from amy . Well, there have been problems and people have complained and as a transgender person, i was quite encouraged that the government is actually talking about how to best to include transgender people. This word banning. I think, is unhelpful, actually, what we should be looking at is what is the best way of accommodating transgender people like me in hospital. Whats been shown in the past is treating us in exactly the same way as women and putting us with women is not necessarily the best course of action. And it has caused problems. The idea that to make problems. The idea that to make separate provision elsewhere , separate provision elsewhere, thats fine. Lets look at building those ideas and building those ideas and building and building policy that works , not policy. That works, not policy. What would you be comfortable with if you had to be admitted to hospital . What would you be comfortable with . Comfortable with . Well, whats happened before when ive been in hospital since the transition was i was found at bear by myself or a or a nurse by myself. Thats whats nurse by myself. Thats whats happened and thats whats worked. Worked. Amy, can i ask you i know youre a mum. Im one of the things that Steve Barclay talked about was the language that has sort of started come out of sort of started to come out of the things like the nhs. Things like chestfeeding the removal of chestfeeding and the removal of women womens health. Women from womens health. There have been the removal of references to women in advice on the menopause issues around cervical Ovarian Cancer , cervical and Ovarian Cancer, where the reference to pregnant people instead of women. I mean , it makes sense, doesnt it, for this to be sorted out and the Health Secretary does have a point. Point. Well, trans men are at higher risk of suffering from Cervical Cancer because of not being included. Ed, in some of the included. Ed, in some of the literature and some of the calls to get a cervical screening. So thats kind of where that came from. Its also really normal, these language inclusions, and theyre really overexaggerate. Theyre really overexaggerate. What is affecting mothers at the moment is the horror that is the maternity services, which is actually putting a lot of women off, having children within the nhs at the moment. Thats a conversation that needs to be had, not put some language in some pamphlets for lgbtq parents, like were just distracting from the real problems within the nhs and actually its not a political priority for most people in the top political priorities of the voters are cost of living and health. The inclusion of trans people does not come even in the top five priorities of voters. And the fact that steve, is that something, debbie, that youre in agreement with that that you two end up agreeing with . Two end up agreeing with . Well, i think what what i would like is a government that that bases its policies in reality and not in a fantasy. And governments Start Talking about the reality of human bodies and our sex. Thats what we need to hear. We need to hear. Thank you both very much indeed. Debbie hayton, amy nicholl turner, thank you both very much indeed. Very much indeed. Still to come, the beckhams finally breaking their silence on rebecca loos in their tell all Netflix Documentary. Thats next in headline makers. Theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Occupy bipolar. Boris bannau and the company of david mellor and Scarlett Mccgwire. Very nice to see you , mccgwire. Very nice to see you, david. So these reports are coming out today and were covering this as well, that dunng covering this as well, that during the covid vaccine, the what we call hearing here. Yes that Boris Johnsons decision Decision Making was bipolar. Yes. I think its interesting in good old days, if Civil Servants and people like that would just do their job and it was a code of honour that you didnt then. But verbal about it. But violence is plainly not in that. I it. But violence is plainly not in that. I mean, i dont mind what he says about boris because it confirms everything i thought about. Well, hang on a minute. Its not like hes gone to the papers and done a tell all. He kept a diary of events and the purpose of this inquiry is to try and learn lessons to prevent suffering and mistakes again in learn lessons to prevent sufffuture. Nd mistakes again in learn lessons to prevent sufffuture. Butnistakes again in learn lessons to prevent sufffuture. But somehowgain in learn lessons to prevent sufffuture. But somehow the in the future. But somehow the chief officer chief scientific officer has opinions the decisions opinions on the way decisions were thats important. Were made. Thats important. Its gone and its not like hes gone and gossiped a tabloid. Gossiped to a tabloid. I mean, theres a bit of a point. Othennise theres bit point. Othennise theres a bit of a point but its of a point there, but its getting of publicity. Getting a lot of publicity. Look, sorry, i anyway. Look, sorry, i shouldnt have wound up these women. To eat. Theyre oh, going to eat. Theyre going eat alive. Yes we are. There has been a big rally, so can i start again in a more. Lets accommodate one. Lets accommodate one. Me 30s. Theres been give me 30s. Theres been a big row about Whatsapp Message is so we have to know is right. So we have to know everything that boris was sort of sending to people rishi was sending to people. And of course, of course vallance. His course, of course vallance. His diary was called for the for the inquiry. I think, i think that that we dont talk about he doesnt have to write a diary, but however try again having having god. Yes. Okay. Okay. Im going to try and be uncontroversial. Try and be uncontroversial. Theres a man called vallance. Okay. Okay. Am i doing so far . And he how am i doing so far . And he was scientific adviser was the chief scientific adviser to boris. Am i all right . Yeah. Yeah ill let you know. Dont anyway the reality dont worry. Anyway the reality is hes kept quite is that hes kept quite a careful diary. Careful diary. But what hes particularly careful about is the things he says about boris suggesting theres a hint of being bipolar because boris will say one thing in the morning and something completely different in the evening. Now that is boris, as i have always thought of him. So im not really against it. What vallance is saying , but i do vallance is saying, but i do think its quite damaging for the status and stands of politicians that there their chief advisers keep these kind of notes. These notes enter the pubuc of notes. These notes enter the Public Domain because while its certainly true that a lot of todays politicians dont deserve a great deal of respect , im not sure that yesterdays politician did. You just never either. But you just never read either. But you just never read about all that stuff. I mean, its all i mean, you read at what what vallance is saying bipolar. Boris its quite near the knuckle, you know. But its history. Hes documents history, is he not . If, if we were saying the same things about churchill, whatever youd want an understanding and a how he reached his decisions in the life that he led. Oh, i dont i dont i dont disagree with any of that. One of the great joys of my life when i was a young man at the bar, i worked with a lot bar, chap i worked with a lot was called dennis kelly and he was called dennis kelly and he was on was the researcher for on a couple of churchills books. But i to dennis, right about i said to dennis, right about it, he said, no, no, that would be wrong. I said, it would be wrong churchill wrong because you saw churchill close thought about close up what you thought about churchill. Thought of churchill. You thought highly of him. Owe it to people who him. You owe it to people who will be belittling churchill to write it down. But he never did i but actually, david, this is for the covid inquiry. And we want to know what happened and why decisions, what decisions were taken and why they were taken. I mean, im not sure that taken. I mean, im not sure that calling boris bipolar in this just because he changes his mind all the time. Actually is a tall, accurate and i think probably vallance regrets using using that terminology. But but using that terminology. But but but but i think if youre doing an inquiry as to what happened and why the decisions were taken, you need to know. And frankly, i mean, you know , i frankly, i mean, you know, i mean, ive read Anthony Seldons biography for ten complete vicious and hes not a vicious man. I know him quite well. I know him quite well. Precisely. Precisely. Boris, obviously has the ability to make people feel think terrible things about him and this was hands up those who do this was incredibly well researched. So, i mean, if we want to know what really happened, which people do want to know and why decisions were taken , i think decisions were taken, i think that you do need balance. That you do need balance. Its also. Go on, eamonn. Yes you called me a disrupter. Do you regret that . I will stick to that to the end of time. Eamonn, you are the disrupter of all time , but you must show of all time, but you must show him respect. But age deserves respect. But age deserves respect. But age deserves respect. Blonde bombshell is stealing the headlines as in all of this. I think to be honest, if i had been Prime Minister during the pandemic, id probably have made some flip flop bipolar types of decisions. Stress, the decisions. The stress, the pressure, of pressure, the difficulty of locking the country, how on locking up the country, how on earth anyone made those decisions is not to be sympathetic to him in particular. But what i found more interesting than this bipolar which bipolar line, which all the papers up on, was papers have picked up on, was this the Sage Committee this use of the Sage Committee as human shields. And i thought as human shields. And i thought that particularly that was particularly interesting. The role of scientists protect the scientists to protect the politicians when they had to make difficult make unpopular and difficult decisions. Were cherry decisions. But they were cherry picking the advice and rewriting it tailor their own policies. It to tailor their own policies. Lets now talk about difficult decisions for the rest of his members of the public. Scarlet this is this is a story from the mail and the advice this is arrest thieves yourself if you see them stealing food in supermarkets. I mean this is incredible. All it is the over and over again in the past few months, as weve seen people having to do things because the police dont. And in in in then when you arrest them, there be no police to process the whole situation after that as well. So these people are dangerous. I mean yes people are dangerous. I mean yes ive listened to interviews with shopkeepers , shoppers. I mean, shopkeepers, shoppers. I mean, notjust shopkeepers, shoppers. I mean, not just saying , you know, that not just saying, you know, that actually they watch them walk in with knives and just clear whole shelves. Of course. Of course, shelves. Of course. Of course, you dont. Its incredibly dangerous. Its and you dont. Its incredibly dangerous. Its and in you dont. Its incredibly dangerous. Its and in fact, you dont. Its incredibly dangerous. Its and in fact, in the good old days, when i was young, we were told that was a robert peel was himself. We were robert peel was himself. We were told to not do that very specifically , that actually they specifically, that actually they have a go. Heroes put themselves in danger. Soto have a go. Heroes put themselves in danger. So to say. I mean, in danger. Soto say. I mean, you know, maybe we could just have a decent police service. Have a decent police service. Well just make the point. Alex chalk made this suggestion, didnt he . Was this this . No, it was chris. No, it was chris. Chris phelps. Phelps who is the policing minister, right. This was not somebody freelancing. This was the policing minister saying maybe you could help out to me. But i bet he wasnt briefed to say that. I think he sort of just went off, came into his head and went off on a frolic of his own, as we used to say. Well, speaking of frolics of their own, a small group, eight or so republicans have taken drastic action with significant consequences in the states. Tell consequences in the states. Tell us more, david. Well , Kevin Mccarthy , is the well, Kevin Mccarthy, is the leader effective bully of the house of represents gives the house of represents gives the house of represents gives the house of representatives is quite narrowly balanced between the party is and has developed in the house of representatives a bunch of really i mean were talking about seriously right wing republicans whose like a lot of people do factional in parties. They dislike the people on their own side more than they dislike the they dont like cooperation side. They dont like. So like cooperation. So essentially, mccarthy has essentially, Kevin Mccarthy has been voted out of office. Now, does that matter . I think it does that matter . I think it does for this for this reason, Kevin Mccarthy is a basically sensible chap. The people who voted him out are not very sensible. They are isolationist. S they are people who do not think america has any business doing things in ukraine. An and so on. And, and i mean, if you really want to have a nightmare, you think heres old trump facing however many thousand charges hes facing who could be president. His biden who doesnt know whether its christmas or easter and a congress thats out of control and yet these are supposedly the saviours of the world. I mean, america considers itself to be the worlds policeman. And i just worry policeman. And i just worry about it, actually, in the time ive got from not fretting about David Beckham story and all the rest of it or bipolar. Boris, im quite worried about wheres all this going to end up. Well, for David Beckham. Well, for David Beckham. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry. I just think i think its really frightening what is going on in the United States. Hell be irish that Kevin Mccarthy that him like that um David Beckham. So hes ended up on the big screen this is our Sports Correspondent paul coyte david was saying that hes a bit suspicious of these type of sports tacos because they can be just adverts really at the end of the day. But i reckon itll be a very, very good watch. And this is on netflix , the premiere this is on netflix, the premiere last night in london. Did you see it . Did you see it . No, no, no. No, no, no. I mean, ijust no, no, no. I mean, i just wonder what what line will they be taking . Will it be about his footballing career or his private life . Its bit of both, its a bit of both, i believe. And they talked about an interview with sir Alex Ferguson said that ferguson where he said that celebrity changed and celebrity had changed him. And then david saying, then they cut to david saying, i totally disagree. And then they cut to people oh, cut to other people saying, oh, it him. Yes. So it did change him. Yes. So theres a bit of both. Well wonder. It must have changed him. I mean, this this is a man who cant walk down. But did it change speech . Oh, on the change my speech . Oh, on the pitch. Well i dont know. Pitch. Well well, i dont know. I mean, actually, always i mean, actually, i was always a fan David Beckham because fan of David Beckham because ive never forgotten that wonderful goal when he did bend it like beckham. But actually , it like beckham. But actually, the other thing thats in this is, is his affair with or alleged affair with rebecca, with rebecca loos and why does she want to bring that up . Well, obviously, that was the deal. Obviously, that was the deal. Therell be enough money to pay therell be enough money to pay david. That was the deal, wasnt it . That was the deal, wasnt it . Have enough money already . Yeah thats why i never understand the super rich who have be the super rich who have to be ncher the super rich who have to be richer 12 year old richer and richer 12 year old daughter watch this daughter to watch this documentary, which talks about you her mother. You cheating on her mother. I personally dont understand that. I mean, no, i completely agree with you. And victoria apparently, i mean, talks about how painful it was. And i think i mean, i have grown up children. The thought grown up children. The thought of them having to talk about my sex life or think about it or your mum being upset, but. Oh, yeah , no, just awful, oh, yeah, no, just awful, actually. Actually. And you just think, yeah , why and you just think, yeah, why do you why do you need the money . And he doesnt need the profile, so can i just ask question . And im serious about this to, to these wise women that we have in our present. To, to these wise women that we have in our present. Okay. Now, have in our present. Okay. Now, if beckham had known how famous he was going to be and how rich and also the fact he became a member of the establishment would he have had all those ruddy tattoos or not . Yes you think its part of his image . Yes. Yes. Thats all hes about. His image. Image. Or it could be Something Different than image. It can be an addiction. A lot of people, an addiction. A lot of people, including women, have a lot of footballers have body tattoos all over them. Now, you must all over them. Now, you must nofice all over them. Now, you must notice it with the players. All notice it with the players. All there was the one who had like a sort of huge animal on his back and a chelsea one. Yes. And im thinking, why, when i interviewed beckham in the most beautiful suit. The most beautiful suit. But then you could just see the tattoos in his hand and all around his neck. So it didnt matter what your tailoring was, you still see also a few you could still see also a few people think that tattoos are common. You see now, not any more. You see now, not any more. Not any. Not any more. I mean. I not any. Not any more. I mean. I mean, my daughter got got a tattoo on the back of her neck because her dog died. And of his paws. And i said, darling, paws. And i said, darling, youll never be able to go to a proper dress. Okay guys, ill tell you what well do. We will take a break now so that i we will take a break now so thati can we will take a break now so that i can disrobe and show you my tattoos. Oh, yes. Id love to have there. So ill be doing that and isabel webster. Heres whats leading the news this morning. Britain faces a migrant hurricane , says the a migrant hurricane, says the home secretary in her keynote speech at Tory Party Conference, Suella Braverman warns of millions more migrants arriving on britains shores unless her own government takes decisive action. The wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane that is coming. Hurricane that is coming. Butjust hurricane that is coming. But just how ovennhelming is the flow of migrants into europe . Special report from the italian island of lampedusa , italian island of lampedusa, where there are often more migrants than locals. Migrants than locals. The Prime Minister is to take to the podium later for his keynote speech. What can we expect . Gb news is there in manchester and well bring you the latest throughout the day. The latest throughout the day. Its super strike wednesday by train drivers, Junior Doctors and consulting. Theyre all on and consulting. Theyre all on picket lines demanding better pay picket lines demanding better pay and conditions as and alex burkill will have your latest weather forecast. But whilst there will be a lot of dry weather across southern parts, its a wetter picture. Further north with some heavy rain for parts of scotland. Ill have more shortly and paul has more with whats happening in sport. I do bad Champions League night for Manchester United and for arsenal. Its bad for var operators, an awful for me because ive just had to look at david millers chelsea tattoo on his back. And quite frankly, i cant unsee it. I cant unsee it. Oh, ihave unsee it. I cant unsee it. Oh, i have to go and see something. What have you seen that you cant unsee . Gb views the gb news dot com. Or you can tweet at gb news. Id love to hear from you. So the home secretary from you. So the home secretary has warned of a hurricane of mass migration and she accused her own party of being squeamish over immigration. The wind of change, change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane one that is coming. Let to the hurricane one that is coming. Let me to the hurricane one that is coming. Let me tell you, our coming. Let me tell you, our country has become enmeshed in a dense net of International Rules that were designed for another era. And it is labour that turbo era. And it is labour that turbo charged their impact by passing the misnamed human rights act. Im surprised they didnt call it the criminal rights act. Well, conservative mp for Bracknell James Sunderland , who Bracknell James Sunderland, who helped the home secretary to write that speech, joins us now from manchester. Good morning to you. Do you come up with that line, the criminal rights act . No, it was her team that wrote the speech, her spat. Wrote the speech, her spat. Clearly it was rehearsed yesterday. It was refined yesterday. It was refined yesterday. It was refined yesterday. But the final words are very much hers. Are very much hers. The danger is, i suppose, as james, when you put together a speech and it has to be crafted and you have to know what your audience is of which between you, very well. But you, you all do very well. But is the danger that the hurricane thats coming , the winds have thats coming, the winds have changed all that they those words get the headline lines and maybe there are other messages that you didnt quite get out there. Is there anything that you would wish that we were concentrate on today as opposed to that line . To that line . Eamonn, its a very fair point. Of course, she spoke for about 20 minutes yesterday. It was a very good speech. Shes a conviction politician , an her conviction politician, an her team are very supportive of her and her style is her style. But and her style is her style. But there is, of course, a danger that that the media will pick up on elements speech. But on elements of that speech. But what i would say to you is that her style and her language is her style and her language is her own. And as the home secretary, shes very well informed on these issues and shes right bring shes absolutely right to bring them fore of public opinion. I mean, she was trying to sort of conjure the winds of change, but lots people change, but lots of people saying a bit more rivers saying it was a bit more rivers of blood and taking offence, that wasnt radical, it was that this wasnt radical, it was racist. No that this wasnt radical, it was racist. No i think the that this wasnt radical, it was racist. No i think the whole racist. No i think the whole point was that , you know, things point was that, you know, things are racist against her. She made it quite clear that shes been attacked and demonised in the media. She does speak for a section of the party. She speaks for many people in the uk and, and her views are her own and actually what i would say to you is that shes right to bring those views to the fore because shes very, very well informed. Shes briefed by her team all the time. She meets chief constable, she meets and crime she meets police and crime commissioners. Shes border commissioners. Shes with border force. And you only force all the time. And you only have to look at whats happening in southern italy right now to realise some truth realise that there is some truth in shes saying. Realise that there is some truth in swould|ying. Realise that there is some truth in swould youj. Realise that there is some truth in swould you say to munira what would you say to Munira Wilson . Liberal democrat wilson . Shes a liberal democrat member parliament. Says wilson . Shes a liberal democrat mealber parliament. Says wilson . Shes a liberal democrat mea daughterrliament. Says wilson . Shes a liberal democrat mea daughter ofiment. Says wilson . Shes a liberal democrat mea daughter of immigrantssays as a daughter of immigrants myself, if i cant tell you how deeply offensive despicable deeply offensive and despicable all powell all i find bravermans powell esque rhetoric, parents and esque rhetoric, her parents and mine benefited from the generosity of this country. Not only is she bolting shut the drawbridge, but also stoking hatred. Dangerous. You only have to look on twitter to see multiple posts like this. It isnt just as you say, the media that are going for these headlines. Lucas, headlines. Caroline lucas, another prominent politician, utterly repulsive and dehumanising language. Well, dehumanising language. Well, suella speaks truth to power. She sees it as she sees it. She calls it as she sees it. And shes also the daughter of immigrants. I mean, she is a brown lady of asian descent. We know that shes married to a jewish chap. She she will tell you that she knows all there is to know about the abuse that she suffers. And i think what i would say to you is that she is not wrong in bringing this to the public fore. And my job is not to endorse it or criticise it. Im a pr, my role is to it. Im a pr, so my role is to serve her objectively, professionally and in a very upbeat manner. And what i would say you is that is the say to you is that she is the home secretary. She has an opinion that opinion matters i james, what do you want to hear your Prime Minister hear from your Prime Minister today what language , how today . And in what language, how how firm should he be there . There is a danger that he keeps talking about. He wants to fix britain. And critics are saying britain. And critics are saying , yeah, but your party has been in charge for 13 years. Youre only fixing things that you yourselves have put wrong. Yourselves have put wrong. Well, i think the Prime Minister today will articulate his priorities for the next 12 months. We dont know when the election is going to be. It could be october , it could be could be october, it could be december, it could be may. We just dont know. But i he just dont know. But i think he will simply it as he sees will simply call it as he sees it. My view is that hell reflect on the past 12 months as an mp. Inbox is quieter. My an mp. My inbox is quieter. My postbag is not as full. Weve got calm and stable government and i really welcome that. And he is getting with those he is getting on with those priorities. Getting on with priorities. Hes getting on with achieving thinks the achieving what he thinks the people need and im people of britain need and im right behind him. Okay, james sunderland, mp for bracknell from manchester, thank much indeed. Just thank you very much indeed. Just to reflect some of views to reflect some of the views from home Suella Braverman from home about Suella Braverman speech, bobby suella for speech, bobby saying suella for Prime Minister, we need a conservative pm who is conservative. Roger, the home secretary is 100 correct in what she said. Jeff i did like the home secretary speech. However i agree with nigel farage that there were no Firm Solutions about about migration. Keep your thoughts coming in. The home secretary will know only too well that whatever the reason, migrants continue to flee their countries. For europe and there are no quick fixes , and there are no quick fixes, many arrive via the small italian island of lampedusa, which has become the frontline of the migrant crisis from where our home and security editor mark white sent this special report. Report. A week after more than 11,000 migrants arrived on this tiny italian island , we watched as italian island, we watched as the final batch of 101, mainly young men from sub Saharan Africa left to board a ferry to the italian mainland. Authorities here took advantage of several days of bad weather in the med to clear the decks ahead of the next surge of migrants arrivals. It is a migrants arrivals. It is a seemingly never ending cycle , seemingly never ending cycle, all in the Mass Movement of people across this sea. People across this sea. Lampedusas geographical location. Closer to north africa than italy puts it on the front line of europes growing migrant crisis. But many of the 6000 residents here say they feel forgotten over whelmed by the constant arrivals with little concrete action from europes politicians. As the italian red politicians. As the italian red cross run the main Migrant Reception Centre on lampedusa. Reception centre on lampedusa. Theyve been drafting in Additional Support to deal with the next surge in arrivals. The the next surge in arrivals. The chaos of the last surge still fresh in their minds, where at 1. 7 thousand people were crammed into this compound , many into this compound, many clashing with police as they tried to leave serena, cornelia said that the volunteers here felt power less to help, more difficult to give the support. But we try to give food, give kids, give psychological support and health support. So we have tried to take care of all the people inside the centre. People inside the centre. There are real concerns here on lampedusa that the tourist trade, the lifeblood of this island community, could begin to dry p island community, could begin to dry up if a solution isnt found to the crisis. You dont have to to the crisis. You dont have to look far for evidence of its impact here near the entrance to the port, a migrant boat lies beached on the rocks , a gaping beached on the rocks, a gaping hole in its hull. The beached on the rocks, a gaping hole in its hull. The personal hole in its hull. The personal belongings of its human cargo hanging over the sides. Inside hanging over the sides. Inside the harbour, dozens of other migrant boats that made it here in recent days lie tied up, awaiting removal. Many still full of tire inner tubes used by the migrants as makeshift life jackets further along the quay side, fishermen unload the last of their catch for local restaurants. The winds that have restaurants. The winds that have kept the migrant boats away for several days have also forced these fishermen back to port giacomo. Mino says the migrant giacomo. Mino says the migrant boats are severely impacting their livelihood. Their livelihood. So when we encounter a migrant boat, we call the authorities, they tell us to wait, not to do anything. Then wait, not to do anything. Then the coastguard arrives or the police patrol. But it means were financially ruined. Its a mess. Our work is badly affected. Its too much. For affected. Its too much. For unlike the vast majority of african migrants who want to head to mainland europe , talaat head to mainland europe, talaat diouf has made a life for himself here. The Senegalese National says the huge flow of fellow migrants onto this island is simply unsustainable. Basis for, say , unsustainable. Basis for, say, the government must find a solution as quickly as possible because the island has 6300 inhabitants. Then if 11,000 of my brothers come, its a big problem. We have to find a solution quickly because nothing will be done until next summer. For now, these migrants are headed for the mainland. But headed for the mainland. But this is not just an italian problem. Its a europe wide crisis. Many here will crisis. Many here will eventually head north. Some to the coast of northwest france and on to another boat, this time across the english channel. Mark white gb news views on lampedusa. So why do millions of lampedusa. So why do millions of people continue to head to europe despite signals and signs and the obvious that we are are and the obvious that we are are a bit ovennhelmed . Well , early in the a bit ovennhelmed . Well, early in the program we spoke to a 14 year old syrian refugee called bana al abed and before we hear banas views, lets see more of her story. Lets see more of her story. Opinion is really nice. I visited many times and i love it. Im actually planning to be like to enter a university in the uk because me and my mom love it so much. Yeah for some people the uk are very kind to the refugees and some of them may not be kind, which is its their opinion. Im not going to be like, oh, why are you not kind to them . Everyone has an opinion, right . But sometimes , opinion, right . But sometimes, you know, we should be all understanding. And even though understanding. And even though we hate a person or anything , we we hate a person or anything, we should be kind to them after all. And we should understand that the refugees are actually going through a lot of pain and suffer caring. And its just very hard for them. Very hard for them. Now, trust me , not keir now, trust me, not keir starmer. Thats what the Prime Minister told our Political Editor Christopher Hope in an interview ahead of his keynote speech at conference today. Rishi sunak outlined his plans for a transparent government. For a transparent government. Prime minister, what do you for . Stand for . Stand i stand for doing the right thing for the country in the long term, not taking the easy way think thats the way out. I think thats the change that people want to see in their politics. Thats the change bring. Change that im going to bring. And with my and you saw that with my decision net zero. I did decision on net zero. I did something that i thought was right. You know, it was a big decision. And look, people are going criticise me for going to criticise me for that. But thought were doing, but i thought what were doing, the on is going to the path were on is going to cost ordinary families 5 10, cost ordinary families 5 to 10, £15,000. Was £15,000. I didnt think that was right. We can hit our targets without doing those things. So i went set out a new went out and set out a new realistic approach and thats what to from what youre going to see from me. Thats the type of leadership youre going to get from thats from me, because thats how were to not just were going to change, not just politics. Were going were going to change, not just pochange were going were going to change, not just po change our were going were going to change, not just po change our countryzre going were going to change, not just po change our countryzre the 1g to change our country for the better. When first became pm, better. When i first became pm, i out five immediate i set out five immediate priorities focus halving priorities to focus on halving inflation. Inflation is coming down. Boats really down. Stopping the boats really important. Numbers this important. And the numbers this year a fifth. First year are down by a fifth. First time happened that time thats happened that someones the numbers someones brought the numbers down. Plans working down. So those plans are working and responding well down. So those plans are working anwhat responding well down. So those plans are working anwhat doing. Inding well down. So those plans are working anwhat doing. New; well to what were doing. New approach on net zero increase in the National Living for the National Living wage for 2 million paid people today. Million low paid people today. Jades that jades law making sure that awful who murder their awful criminals who murder their partners have any rights partners dont have any rights over their children. That obviously common sense. Obviously is not common sense. Were and were changing that and crucially, supporting people in towns. More people live towns towns. More people live in towns in our country and they live in big all the big cities to get all the attention from westminster politicians. Im changing that because bunch of because were doing a bunch of things albania things and you deal with albania tackling in upstate tackling crime gangs in upstate Team Different parts of team in different parts of europe. View this is europe. Look, my view on this is simple. Should be the british simple. It should be the british people who decide who comes to our and not criminal our country and not criminal gangs. What . I talk our country and not criminal ga other what . I talk our country and not criminal ga other european what . I talk our country and not criminal ga other european leaderst . I talk our country and not criminal ga other european leaders a i talk our country and not criminal ga other european leaders a lotilk to other european leaders a lot when im out and about. They increasingly seeing to increasingly seeing that to the conversation on this europe conversation on this in europe has changed. When i out my has changed. When i set out my stall on this eight months ago, again, people criticised again, lots of people criticised me. But youre seeing now me. But what youre seeing now from other european from lots of other european leaders is the acknowledgement that is right. They that what i said is right. They are all recognising that it needs to be our countries that are control of who comes to are in control of who comes to us, and we need to us, not gangs. And we need to have make that have systems that make that possible. I said then, possible. So as i said then, where britain leads, others will follow. Youre that follow. And youre seeing that that happening follow. And youre seeing that tha and happening follow. And youre seeing that tha and h. Lets1ing follow. And youre seeing that tha and h. Lets speak to our and well, lets speak to our Political Editor, Christopher Hope, who joins from hope, who joins us from manchester. Dont manchester. Christopher, i dont know you thought of the know what you thought of the prime yesterday. He Prime Minister yesterday. He seemed a testy in that seemed a bit testy in that interview. In other interviews that saw him doing, hes been that i saw him doing, hes been accused of losing the narrative of control of conference. And there are lots of questions about whether this is make or break this speech for him. Break this speech for him. It certainly is. But it could be the last speech he gives before the election. Expected in may or june, next year or october and november next year. So it could be if an early election, the last speech he gives, there is a disconnect. No question here between the people around mr sunak , mps, ministers around mr sunak, mps, ministers and the grass roots. Weve seen those images, havent we, of the adulation for liz truss, the former Prime Minister just over the road from where im sitting in the Midlands Hotel at her fringe meeting, calling for to make britain grow again in a trumpian way. We saw yesterday, didnt we, at the Suella Braverman right braverman speech, how the right the right, the members went for what she said about on the issue of right wing politics of concern about being too easy on criminals and immigration. I think thats so important. I think thats so important. I think thats so important. I think that thats almost many are saying here there seeing the party lurch or move more to the right even nigel farage i asked the pm yesterday would he allow would mr sunak allow nigel farage back into the into the party . He didnt rule it out. He said were a broad church and thatis said were a broad church and that is really the theme of this conference. The fact that these strikes have targeted conference really embarrassing for the pm. Word is lots of people leaving last night to try and catch the last trains. Is night to try and catch the last trains. Is that night to try and catch the last trains. Is that true . What sort trains. Is that true . What sort of crowd do you think the pm will be able to draw today . Will be able to draw today . It is true. I think the leader of the Train Drivers Union did say they have targeted today. Has been the day when they knew that people will be trying to get back quickly. Trying to get back quickly. Early afternoon from the pm speech and now they cant. So i was at a dinner last night when people had to walk out, not in protest at the speeches, but as much have to get a train much as we have to get a train home. So that will be a problem. Im a minibus in case im were on a minibus in case youre what youre wondering what the gb news were fine, but its news crew were fine, but its difficult. Its not convenient. And think thats thats and i think thats thats a reminder really, of issue reminder really, of the issue the government has with with with and public with train strikes and Public Sector havent even sector pay. We havent even talked about hs2. Do expect the axe to be do we expect the axe to be wielded today . Do , yeah. We do expect the we do, yeah. We do expect the axe to be wielded today. The line between birmingham and manchester ahead. Manchester will not go ahead. Its going to be very awkward. Hes to sugar the pill hes going to sugar the pill with i understand, £10 billion spent on 50. Thats five zero different transport projects around the north of england. Theres an issue here because mps have already voted for the line to go from birmingham to euston to birmingham to crewe, birmingham to crewe. Euston to birmingham to crewe, birmingham to crewe. And so in birmingham to crewe. And so in order to make this happen, mps may well have to vote to reverse that. So you could have a very difficult situation in parliament in a few weeks time of being told to axe of tory mps being told to axe half of hs2 between birmingham and manchester. There is also a rearguard action to connect Old Oak Common six miles out of Central London with euston. We understand thats what jeremy hunt, the chancellor, has been pushing for. But if you cant imagine a more symbolic condemnation really of the governments levelling up policy to have all this money spent on tunnelling under southern england, run out of money, get to birmingham, and then pull up the drawbridge the north, the drawbridge to the north, its disaster. Its a disaster. It is. Okay, it really is. Okay, christopher, thank you. Christopher, thank you. Look at some of the other stories coming into the newsroom. With the time approaching 8 20, at least 21 people have died after a bus carrying tourists to a campground crashed near venice. Its been reported that the coach came off an overpass and landed near Railway Lines. But the cause of the accident, it remains unclear. Remains unclear. The governments former chief scientific advisor has described bons scientific advisor has described Boris Johnsons Decision Making dunng Boris Johnsons Decision Making during the coronavirus pandemic as complete inconsistent. The covid 19 Public Inquiry heard diary entries from sir Patrick Vallance , who said experts were vallance, who said experts were used as human shields for the government. Number 10 says it acted to save lives and protect the nation. In the usa. The nation. In the usa. And after leading a successful bipartisan effort to avoid Government Shutdown, republican Kevin Mccarthy has been voted out of his role as House Speaker. This is the first time in American History that a speaker of the house has been removed from office, and Victoria Beckham has opened up on what shes called the hardest penod on what shes called the hardest period of her marriage to the famous footballer David Beckham. Speaking in a new Netflix Documentary, the designer addressed the speculation that he allegedly had an affair whilst playing for real madrid. Whilst playing for real madrid. Time now for your latest weather update. Alex burkill. Weather update. Alex burkill. Hello. Good morning. We have hello. Good morning. We have a north south split in our weather today. Heres your latest gb news weather bulletin. Im alex burkill. We are going im alex burkill. We are going to see some wet weather already across western parts of scotland feeding further eastwards across many parts as we go through the day. But the heaviest rain will always be across Western Areas where likely totals where were likely to see totals building up some localised flooding disruption to flooding and disruption to travel elsewhere travel here. Elsewhere across many the uk, there will many parts of the uk, there will be showers around, perhaps be some showers around, perhaps not many as we saw yesterday not as many as we saw yesterday and they probably wont quite and they probably wont be quite as intense theres a lower as intense and theres a lower chance seeing some thunder chance of seeing some thunder too. Will slightly too. The winds will be slightly less with less strong and with temperatures reaching highs around celsius, around 19, possibly 20 celsius, it should feel relatively warm in any sunny breaks through the end of day , we are going to end of the day, we are going to see showers dying but see any showers dying out, but there still some there will still be some outbreaks of around. You outbreaks of rain around. You can some rain across parts outbreaks of rain around. You ca northern ne rain across parts outbreaks of rain around. You ca Northern England cross parts outbreaks of rain around. You ca Northern England into parts of Northern England into Northern Ireland and some rain pushing into of wales and pushing into parts of wales and the south west and another the south west and then another swathe wet weather feeding swathe of wet weather feeding across go through across scotland as we go through the of thursday. But the early hours of thursday. But because of the and rain, because of the cloud and rain, it likely to be a milder it is likely to be a milder night than it has been recently for many places, at least as we go through thursday. Quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, h thursday. Quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, dampsday. Quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, damp picture quite for many places, at least as we gncloudy, damp picture across te a cloudy, damp picture across particularly north particularly Western North western brighter towards western parts, brighter towards the east. But even here i am expecting to fill in a expecting the cloud to fill in a little as go into the little bit as we go into the afternoon. More wet weather then pushing its in from the west pushing its way in from the west and north west. And so it is and the north west. And so it is going increasingly wet, going to turn increasingly wet, particularly across western parts as go parts of scotland as we go through thursday and into friday. Temperatures for many similar to today. Still to come, its another Champions League night tonight, paul coyte will join us for a preview n ext next right. Weve got weve got paul coyte. Hes got the sport and a few issues to go through. Their Champions League action last night not good for manchester. Not good. Ive got quite a lot to get through. So Manchester United to galatasaray of turkey, 3 3 and its not looking good for Manchester United at the moment. Im worried about erik ten hag. Youre worried . I do. I worry for him. You know, at the start for him. You know, at the start he looked like, oh, this guy is not very good. And then everything fabulous. Everything was fabulous. It almost its two almost seems you know, its two steps back every time. Every time i make one fonnard. A lot injuries. Bad a lot of injuries. Bad signings the transfer market signings in the transfer market and what could go on and on. It doesnt seem to be a settled team. It could be injuries. Owners problems with discipline goes on and on. But anyway , not good to and on. But anyway, not good to lost their first two Champions League games. And theres no league games. And theres no striker. Theres no i mean, they can talk what they want about that young year old. Hes not young 19 year old. Hes not a proven striker. Hoyland. He scored yesterday. But to arsenal but i agree. Loans to arsenal one not good for arsenal either. And it looks like bukayo saka is also injured, which is bad for them because they play Manchester City at the weekend which between us, if arsenal draw with Manchester City. Yes. Draw with Manchester City. Yes. And spurs beat luton. And spurs beat luton. What does that mean . Do you what does that mean . Do you know what i saw yesterday . I saw know what i saw yesterday . I saw the luton team bus. Did you . The luton team bus. Did you . Yeah, just. It was empty , you yeah, just. It was empty, you know. But it was. It was. It lost . It was white with bits of orange around it. But i do want to go to the luton, grind. Yeah. To go to the luton, grind. Yeah. Because i think its i mean it should be preserved. Absolutely. Well, and i think you have to go through someones bathroom to actually to the man. Its incredible. Folks, if you think were joking about this, actually kind of this, it is actually kind of worth and its a row of worth road and its a row of terraced houses. And then theres archway between some theres an archway between some of terraced houses. And you of the terraced houses. And you walk Football Ground walk into the Football Ground and its amazing. I went years ago and i drove there, couldnt find the ground. Im going driving around all over place and then itjust over the place and then it just appeared disguised, camouflage. It know what . Like it is. But you know what . I like that. Old throwback that. I like the old throwback to the old days. Thats pretty exciting. Tonight, celtic play lazio. Be lazio. Thats going to be tricky. Manchester away tricky. Manchester city away at leipzig. Are at leipzig. But newcastle are at home to paris saint germain. So home to paris saint germain. So thats a big game. Well i wouldnt say that you dont know. You know, with the crowd behind them. Yeah theyve got the theyve got these drones for this amazing show beforehand. This amazing show beforehand. Its just what the show on the pitch is going to be like. So well champions well see Champions League tonight, well see Champions League tonigmean, thats why youre i mean, thats why youre there the Champions League. There in the Champions League. Youre there to play the psgs of of course you of this world. Of course you are. The first time in 20 and its the first time in 20 years that newcastle have been there. We do little bit there. Shall we do a little bit of var chat. You know, its. Of the var chat. You know, its. Yeah, its long and convoluted. Its a movie script. Its a movie script. Its a movie script. It really to cut a very it really is. To cut a very long story short, this was from the liverpool spurs game and then scored a goal then louis diaz scored a goal which been allowed. Which should have been allowed. And were problems and then there were problems that didnt spot it. The that the var didnt spot it. The video referees as they video system referees as they released and released the audio of this and its just of them going, its just a mess of them going, okay, yeah, okay, we can see that. Yeah, weve drawn the line. But drew line line. But they drew the line against the defenders foot instead strikers foot. Instead of the strikers foot. And when you, when you and then when you, when you hear the actual audio, it sounds as if its in a Foreign Language. Bit disjointed. Language. Its a bit disjointed. Lets. Listen to that. Have we got that . Do we have that . I dont know whether we still. You had it an hour ago. We did. Maybe we maybe we still do all have to re enact it for you. Yes. Yes. So apparently its not slotted. Its so long. Its so long. But but most that we hear on there the people that are there are the people that are actually the video, not actually running the video, not the actual referees. Theyre the ones saying, you know ones that are saying, you know what, thats got to tell what, thats ive got to tell you, thats onside. And you you, thats onside. And then you hear beep , which is obviously hear a beep, which is obviously someone cursing and then thinking, what are we going to do . And the panic. You can hear the heavy breathing. Here it is. Lets some here it is. Lets hear some heavy breathing. Go. Heavy breathing. Here we go. We need to say delay the game to complete the decision is also no , only saying to delay, only no, only saying to delay, only saying to delay only. Yeah. Saying to delay only. Yeah. Yeah. Delay the game to delay the game. Stop the game. The restart. The game. Yeah theyve restarted. Yeah. Cant do anything. No i cant do anything. I cant do anything. Anything. I cant do anything. The man voice was a chap called mo abby. Nobodys mentioned mo. Now, mo nobodys mentioned mo. Now, m0 is one of the people that actually working on putting the line. So hes not a referee and ollie is his boss. So thats ollie is his boss. So thats ollie cole. His name is. And so hes the one there saying, weve got to stop the game. But what they dont realise is that in they dont realise is that in the laws the game, you cant the laws of the game, you cant stop the game once its restart started. So they couldnt actually look , referee, weve started. So they couldnt actltoly look , referee, weve started. So they couldnt actlto stop look , referee, weve started. So they couldnt actlto stop this , referee, weve started. So they couldnt actlto stop this and feree, weve started. So they couldnt actlto stop this and youveveve started. So they couldnt actlto stop this and youve gote got to stop this and youve got to give the goal because the game restarted. They game have restarted. They realise mistake. Realise the mistake. Surely thats more important than that the game has than the fact that the game has restarted. Absolutely be down theyve so this would be down theyve then told fourth official then told the fourth official this. Got a decision to this. So hes got a decision to make now. Do i tell the referee and we stop the game, which is actually officially against the var laws or do we let it continue when a goal has been disallowed, when it and this whole system was supposed to do away with any decision and any problems its supposed to make it so much easier. Var would you ditch it or would you stick with it as this . I would stick with would you . I would stick with it, but make sure its run properly. Its as simple as that. Its just evidence. So itjust needs simple as that. Its just evidence. So it just needs to simple as that. Its just evidence. So itjust needs to be evidence. So it just needs to be run the run properly and restart the game. Absolutely. Restart the game. Okay friend. Is the okay my friend. 831 is the time say goodbye to you. Time we say goodbye to you. Still to come, should britain raise state pension age to 75 . Thats next on headline makers. Scarlett mccgwire. Yeah our favourite time in the show really, isnt it . Well, it is to the chief disrupter to chief david mellor Scarlett Mccgwire and amateur david mellor here to go through the papers. Were going to talk scarlett about banaa nanos. First of all, right, this is really funny. Is that the conservatives have been making these speeches that actually have untruths in them. I dont mean exaggerate things. So Therese Coffey has assured us that were going to be allowed to go on having bendy banana honours because, of course we were in great danger. The of the eu. What the eu has the of the eu. What the eu has to do with our bananas is beyond me. But anyway , they i mean, me. But anyway, they i mean, this was a boris lie decades ago that he said that the eu were to going ban bananas and another one is, is Claire Coutinho in a speech. Right. And any speech has to go through quite a lot of people to be okay so that that that she was opposed to labours tax on meat. There has never been anybody talking about a tax on meat. I mean and you just think get at least lets you know, we all know that politics is a bit of a sort of a gaming thing, but lets tell the truth i was it ever thus, david, or are we living in a new post truth era . Post truth era . No, i think it was always like this. You know, its just variations on a theme. Okay , well, im trying to see okay, well, im trying to see what other bananas you get if theyre not bendy well, straight ones. Is there such a thing as a straight banana . I think you of you. I think you of you. I think you of you. Yeah. Bananas. Yeah. Bananas. Ive eaten a straight banana i i i mean, there are certain. Some bananas are straight. I hardly ever touch a banana. I feel much better for theyre very good. Theyre very good for you. Lots of potassium. Lots of potassium. Thats what i was going to say. Magnesium ill bear that in mind next time i reject one a banana before bed would be good for you. Then. Then. Then. I dont want to hear this. This conversation is going in a bad direction. All right. Well, lets raise the okay. Well, lets raise the tone, shall we . Its rishi sunak. Good for us. Going be to us. Hes going to be trying to convince us when he makes his keynote speech today. What do the it all, the telegraph say about it all, david . Theres two david . Well theres two interesting the telegraph. First of all, the front page sunak. Ill change the status quo. Pm promises to tackle broken political system in series of big calls before election. I mean, there is a hint of desperation about all of this which can be summed up as we already have. So i wont spend a lot of time on this. Spend a lot of time on this. What have they been doing for 13 years . I hate to sound like a mirror headline. That is very depressing for me, but i actually think they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and removing part of it. Now almost more interesting is the centre page, of which relates to this story and youre advised to go to a centre page column by philip johnson, who always writes sensibly stuff a sensible stuff, saying who can blame the pubuc stuff, saying who can blame the public for being cynical when for decades empty promises have defined our politics and he the headune defined our politics and he the headline to this piece is the challenging one. Weve blown mrs. Thatchers legacy. Now mrs. Thatchers legacy. Now rishi must confront the truth. Now, you know , im a sad old. I now, you know, im a sad old. I can remember Margaret Thatcher very well. I was a member of her government for nine of her 11 years as Prime Minister but think about Margaret Thatcher, though shed incredibly though shed be incredibly difficult. She always difficult. Woman she always realised that in making the announcements that she made about policy, she had to try and link them to some kind of underlying philosophy of what the conservative party was all about. And she did her best to do that. And of course successfully. What worries me about the present situation is what youre getting is a lot of desperate risk assistants scrabbling around. Try and give scrabbling around. Try and give rishi something to say and what and what theyre failing to do is to if you cant get beyond the always used to be said as a minister, youve got to get beyond the first supplement question, you know, and he cant get beyond the first mention. Why now . Why now . He wasnt planning on having to address hs2 in this speech. I dont think i think theres been a complete rewrite over the weekend because it just seems unavoidable now that he has to address wanted to address it. I think he wanted to kick down the road till the kick it down the road till the autumn statement, and that means that else he that Everything Else he announces that will announces in that speech will almost completely irrelevant. Announces in that speech will alrcourse completely irrelevant. Announces in that speech will alrcourse ,completely irrelevant. Announces in that speech will alrcourse , butpletely irrelevant. Announces in that speech will alrcourse , but also ly irrelevant. Of course, but also the Communications Management is amazing. So about two weeks ago, the first briefings and they came from the government came that that hs2 was going to be abandoned and instead of actually saying yes , were going actually saying yes, were going to stop it, its gone on and on and on. I mean, the whole of this conference has been overshadowed by hs2. We cant think of anything else. But actually, i mean, going back to what david was saying, i mean, there is a real problem in 2019, there is a real problem in 2019, the red wall, the people who turned from labour to tory in the north were promised an awful lot of things. These didnt. They just havent happened. Its not just that there isnt a narrative. I mean, its just sort of stuff thrown at them. I mean people are very, very angry. Well, boris promised the red wall brexit, which he delivered. He would say , and rishi would he would say, and rishi would try to say that as well. And fair enough. No because because it its all a question of what you know. It depends what you mean by delivered. They passed a bill through parliament. But did they then go on and deliver brexit in any meaningful sense . No, they any meaningful sense . No, they didnt. And so lots of legislation was just lost in the backwash of a whole lot of windy speeches which never amount to giving this country a good chance of doing well because all the statutory restrictions that have made our life in the eu so difficult, were not were not changed by the hard work wasnt donein changed by the hard work wasnt done in lets lets go back in time. Lee anderson tory deputy chairman and he hes saying that as nonsense to claim there is real poverty in in the uk at the moment because it was much worse in the 70s and we didnt moan about it. So scarlett, david and about it. So scarlett, david and myself have lived through the 70s seconds unlike young isabel long, isabel. What what do you long, isabel. What what do you think . Is there any truth in think . Is there any truth in what hes saying . I think this is absolute nonsense, and i think i think people go on and on and on every time. I mean, when i was young, theyd go, oh, you dont know how it was, you know, how awful it was, you know, straight after the war or during the war. But it was no, i think the war. But it was no, i think the 70s. I think there is real poverty here, right . In the 70s, there were no food banks. Right . There were no food banks. Right . I mean, why have we got food banks in every single borough in britain . I mean, and more than britain . I mean, and more than one, theyve become a bit of a propaganda thing. No, it isnt. You dont get to a food bank unless youre desperate, right . I mean, you have to be referenced. Cant go to a food referenced. I cant go to a food bank because im hungry. I have to have a social worker to say, yes, you you have to give the money. And friends of mine who volunteer bank i volunteer at food bank say, i mean, terrible. I mean, mean, it is terrible. I mean, really , really awful question. Really, really awful question. Not more how did people get through the without food through the 70s without food banks opposed to there were banks as opposed to there were no banks the 70s . No food banks in the 70s . Well , perhaps, perhaps the well, perhaps, perhaps the welfare state was better in those days. I mean i mean the cost of rent, mortgages as a proportion of peoples incomes is now so significant that there was more social housing there was more social housing there was nothing left for people. Was nothing left for people. I think also peoples spending habits were different. Spending habits were different. They didnt have the same amount of cars. They cooked their own meals. There was no such thing meals. There was no such thing as takeaways and whatever. And i think the spending the Household Budget was, was different. But it was tough in the 70s. It was tough in the 70s, but its tough now. I mean, to its tough now. I mean, to pretend that its not tough now. I mean, it is tough. So that as in the 70s, mothers would have to decide how much they could eat to make sure their children can eat , that eat to make sure their children can eat, that children were going to School Without breakfast, that children on free school meals, that the first meal of the day would be in the 70s would be lunch. And its the 70s would be lunch. And its the same here. I mean , to pretend same here. I mean, to pretend there isnt poverty now , now is there isnt poverty now, now is absolutely wrong. And what lee absolutely wrong. And what lee anderson knows about it on £186,000 a year is pathetic. £186,000 a year is pathetic. But what he says, david, is we didnt moan about it, which is a slightly different thing. Well , no, i is a slightly different thing. Well, no, i think is a slightly different thing. Well , no, i think theres no well, no, i think theres no doubt all of this has become headune doubt all of this has become headline news. I mean, i can still remember, for instance, the 50s, which were not beer and skittles for a lot of people and where, you know, you you i mean, i always ate very well at home, but you would have things i mean, have you ever had a braised heart . For instance, a braised heart . For instance, a braised lambs heart . Well, we used to be served that fairly regularly. There was a breast of lamb boned and rolled breast of lamb. These are cuts of meat that people dont touch these days, but they were commonplace place in those days because rather than moan about their poverty , you know, a good a good poverty, you know, a good a good housewife like my mother would just get on with cooking what they had. They had. You know, you need two incomes to be able to afford your mortgage or your rent and yeah, thats the thing. I mean, the only person i knew had a mortgage or owned their own house was my uncle gus and aunt phyllis. They they had their but nobody else their own house, but nobody else in our Family Circle owned their own so people werent own house. So people werent paying own house. So people werent paying mortgages and whatever like that. But, and as for the diet, the diet was an awful lot of awful. There was tripe and there was awful, awful and kidneys and liver and all sorts of things. Ive always liked offal, havent you . Im. Maybe im. Maybe im. Also, i mean, in the 70s but also, i mean, in the 70s because people were worried about welfare payments being paid to the father , they were paid to the father, they were actually and then being drunk down the pub they were actually changed, changed to the mum. I mean, it was from the wallet to the purse. And i think, i mean, actually i think isabel, you got it right. A lot of its about housing. Is, is there is so little social housing now, theres so little Affordable Housing in the big cities that it is incredibly difficult. And so people go into the private rented sector and some some of which is really good. I mean, my daughter rents a very a very nice flat for well, for a london reasonable rent. I mean, its appalling, but its okay. But i mean, actually particularly one income families with children it sucks up terrible. Yeah. So that brings us to yeah. So that brings us to the pension david that at lord frost wants to raise the state pension to 75 years of age . Pension to 75 years of age . Well, i dont know. Quite why. His argumentation , how his why. His argumentation, how his argumentation is on that, but one of the things that i find depressing is that there is no recognition of the state we are in, in terms of Public Expenditure. I in, in terms of Public Expenditure. I mean, i meaning that this is a good idea. That this is a good idea. Well, or a necessity. Well, or a necessity. It may not be a good idea as against other ideas, but something somethings got to be done. You see, i was looking at some figures the other day when i secretary of the i was chief secretary of the treasury and the early 90s, the the Gross National product of the Gross National product of this country , the wealth of this country, the wealth created in this country that went to the taxman, was 28. You know, its going to be next yean know, its going to be next year, 38. Now thats pretty horrendous and pretty horrendous that its being done by a conservative government. I mean. Conservative government. I mean , you the only way at the end of the day, control Public Expenditure seems to this government to be optional. Its government to be optional. Its not optional. Its essential. Not optional. Its essential. Well, but if we go back to lord frost, i mean, only somebody who has a nice job can actually say we should. We should stop at 75 because is anybody in manual labour cannot possibly do the job. Im not endorsing what he says. No, i know youre not, because i was just taking us back to. But frost is like a number of people, you know, they have other careers and they come into politics and its like they suddenly become politicians as well. It takes actually proper politicians some to become politicians some years to become proper politicians. Proper politicians. David frost is your i mean, david frost is your typical person in the saloon bar. That of just sounds off. That sort of just sounds off without thinking about it. He thinks a lot about but he thinks a lot about i mean, he seems pretty true to his hard sort of brexit views and, and you know, at least hes consistent. Consistent. Its consistent. Yeah. Yeah. But i mean. But i mean. 75. Do you want a teacher teaching your children whos 75 and whos exhaust did or whatever. I mean its , its just whatever. I mean its, its just mad but leading the free world in the United States. Yeah. Yeah. Well we could say things about that too, but. But i know youre anxious to move on, and quite rightly so. But but the issue is how are we to going live within our means without impose going further debt on . You know, i look at my grandchildren and think, oh, youre going to youre going to wonder in 50 years time what your grand dad and parents did. All you all they did was saddled with a lot of. Were out of time. David no, were out of time. David mellor Scarlett Mccgwire preciate of that. Thanks preciate all of that. Thanks for your contributions morning your contributions this morning. Thank. Thank you. Were going focus on and were going to focus on the strikes now. Train drivers and doctors back taking and doctors are back taking industrial action, taking industrial action, many taking their better their demands for better salaries to the salaries directly to the gathering at the conservative Party Conference in manchester. And our Political Correspondent catherine this Catherine Forster has this report. Report. Today, the conservative conference in manchester began with no trains, no trains at all between manchester and london or indeed on the west coast line as the Train Drivers Union aslef make their point, the Prime Minister had come by car on saturday. The chancellor by plane to a Conference Held in a hall which itself was a train station until 1969, to a city where all the talk is of trains. As the Manchester Branch of hs2 seems set to be scrapped. Like the leeds leg before it. Meanwhile. 15 months into the meanwhile. 15 months into the First National rail strike since the 1980s, the unions blame the Government Train drivers in the uk havent had a pay rise for five years. Our employers have made £500 million during the pandemic thats signed contracts with the government not to give a pay government not to give us a pay rise. Weve targeted the Tory Party Conference, the start date and finish date of it, not and the finish date of it, not for being little reasons but for industrial reasons. For being little reasons but for ind to rial reasons. For being little reasons but for ind to rial to mm. For being little reasons but for ind to rial to mrs. For being little reasons but for ind to rial to mr harper, we to say to mr harper, we havent seen you since last december. Wheres harper . Wheres december. Wheres harper . Ththe. December. Wheres harper . Ththe government the the government blames the unions, the union barons at unions, but the union barons at the rmt and aslef have since refused to let their members on train operators have a say on the fair. The fair. Offers on the table. They offers on the table. They dont care how many thousands of pounds their members lose in pay as long as mick whelan still sits on labours National Executive committee , pulling sir executive committee, pulling sir keirs strings and passengers suffer more. I usually take the train to uni so for the past few days i have had to get lifts from my mum or take the car with her or my dad. Its put them obviously out because they need to take the time out of work. Meanwhile, more Junior Doctors and consultants are striking together till 7 am. Tomorrow, offering only Christmas Day levels of care when people go on strike, its for a need. For a need. I fully support all that so it didnt really bother me in that respect. Um okay. Youve just got to do Something Different on the day the strike is weve got to get round it in a different way. I think they should end now. Theyve made their point. Its up to the government or whoever it is, the companies to sort it out. But the public are suffering. Weve had enough of it, really. Now the government and the rail and Doctors Union are all talking tough. Theres no sign talking tough. Theres no sign of compromise , though. Of compromise, though. Consultants have suspended further strikes, means while getting a train or hospital treatment is no longer a given in. As ever, ordinary people pay the price. Catherine force gb news. Well, lets focus on those rail strikes now. Joining us is our West Midlands reporter jack carson, whos in manchester and yorkshire and humber reporter anna riley joins us from leeds. To you first of all, jack, whats happening at manchester piccadilly , not a million miles piccadilly, not a million miles away from Tory Party Conference . Yeah, im a short walk, of course, from from manchester central, that Conference Centre where the Tory Party Conference is taking place. But here at manchester piccadilly , its manchester piccadilly, its a very eerily quiet morning. The very eerily quiet morning. The only trains running from this station. This morning are transport wales , back of transport for wales, back of course wales. So maybe for course into wales. So maybe for those welsh conservatives trying to conference today, to leave the conference today, they able make their they might be able to make their way home on the railways. Way back home on the railways. But course everyone else but of course for everyone else its be by and of its going to be by car and of course will cause some course that will cause some disruption the roads later disruption on the roads later today once the conference officially finishes. But you officially finishes. But as you heard from catherine, heard there from from catherine, that sides talking that both all sides are talking tough, none of them are tough, but none of them are talking together. Of course , we talking together. Of course, we know theres been no know that theres been no meetings months between meetings for months between the train driving unions and the department for transport of course, mick whelan saying wheres wally . Where is harper saying that he needs to come back to the table because the time after time , of course, the time after time, of course, the unions and their members keep voting to continue the strikes. Of course were in now in the penod of course were in now in the period where strikes have been were extended in may for another six months. So of course , these six months. So of course, these look set to continue for a long while. But mark harper says that footfall within and using of the trains since the pandemic is down by 50 and revenue down by 30. And so what needs to happen, of course, is end these strikes. Of course, is end these strikes , get people back on to the railways, because othennise , railways, because othennise, guys, youre going to have eerily quiet stations like here in manchester, piccadilly. But of course, its not just here, of course, its not just here, of course, its not just here, of course, in manchester that theres problems. Its also in leeds, well. And anna riley, leeds, as well. And anna riley, our yorkshire reporter, has the latest. Latest there. Thank you, jack. Yes, much the same picture here at leeds train station. Youll be able to see behind me the aslef picket line, aslef. The Train Drivers Union. Weve got workers here on the picket line. Theyve got signs saying unity is strength. One gentlemans wearing a top saying , see it, say it, pick it. Saying, see it, say it, pick it. So these workers are still feeling very strongly about continuing this strike action. And its all about pay and conditions. They say that they havent had a pay rise since 2019. And with the cost of living and inflation rising, theyre in fact saying that theyre in fact saying that theyre out of pocket with their salary not reflect ing the increase in bills, energy and Everything Else. That the cost of living crisis has brought. And theyre saying that they dont want to accept the offer thats been made. That was 4 thats been made. That was 4 backdated next year. And 4 pay rise for this year. The department of transport have said that they feel that is a fair and reasonable and credible offer and that it amounts to a train driver being on an average salary of 60,000 being increased to 65,000, and they feel that thats a fair deal. Obviously, aslef the Train Drivers Union doesnt feel that and thats why theyre striking on days like today. Its been 16 months now of strike action from aslef with 12 consecutive days of strike action. And of course passengers. Action. And of course passengers , theyre the ones that are caught up in it all. Theres a very limited number of trains running today. Very limited number of trains running today. And of course, running today. And of course, the overtime ban is in place as well. So train drivers from monday to friday have refused to work overtime, which is also severely impacted services. So the advice on strike days like today from National Rail is to check before you travel because your train may well be cancelled. Okay. Anna riley , thank you okay. Anna riley, thank you very much indeed in leeds. And thanks to you as well. Jack carson at manchester piccadilly. I wonder if in all of this there is a role for acas that are arbitration service. Who knows . But with us. Coming up at but stay with us. Coming up at 9 00, something 9 00, were doing something a bit were going bit different. Were going to be speaking of first speaking to our panel of first time voters. Well be asking them what theyve made of this weeks party weeks conservative Party Conference not conference and whether or not crucially, sunak would get crucially, rishi sunak would get their vote. Stay with us for theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Hello there. Very good morning. Youre joining us now for a different approach. This for a different approach. This at 9 00 on the 4th of october breakfast on gb news with eamonn and isabel and very, very shortly were going to introduce you to our five panellists. If young people who are sitting alongside us, youll have to take my word for it. There we go. There they are. There they are. Squeeze them in. Yeah. Here we are languishing on our sofa. Theyve a little sardine theyve got a little sardine look there. Anyway, we get to but anyway, before we get to that, are the stories that that, here are the stories that weve been covering so far this morning. Well, britains a well, britains facing a migrant according to migrant hurricane, according to the secretary in her the home secretary in her keynote speech at Tory Party Conference, braverman keynote speech at Tory Party Co nfere| of e, b raverm an keynote speech at Tory Party Confere|of millions braverman keynote speech at Tory Party Confere|of millions morerman keynote speech at Tory Party Confere|of millions more migrants warned of millions more migrants arriving on britains shores unless her own government takes decisive action. The wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane one that is coming all right. Right. But just how ovennhelming is the flow of migrants into europe . We have a special report from the italian island of lampedusa where there often more migrants than locals and you can catch that report gbnews. Com. Well, earlier , the defence well, earlier, the defence secretary, grant shapps, blamed labour for the crisis , but the labour for the crisis, but the government is gripping this issue. Weve seen a fall in the number of people coming here illegally. Number of people coming here illegally. Im afraid number of people coming here illegally. Im afraid the same illegally. Im afraid the same cant be said for keir starmer, who votes against every single message, every single measure we take to stop people from illegally travelling. Illegally travelling. The Prime Minister is to take to the podium later today. This is his big day. Keynote speech. What can you expect . Well, were what can you expect . Well, were there in manchester and we bring you the latest throughout the program from 11 00 live. And its super strike wednesday by train drivers , wednesday by train drivers, Junior Doctors and consulting. Junior doctors and consulting. Theyre all on picket lines demanding better pay and conditions. Conditions. And outside , if youre going and outside, if youre going out and about, will you need a brolly . Dont think so. Heres alex burkill. Whilst there will be a lot of dry weather across southern parts, its a wetter picture further north some heavy further north with some heavy rain scotland , rain for parts of scotland, right . So we are handing over camera there. See that . Just get me it always at the wrong time. Boom there we are. We are handing over the last half hour of the programme. Tell us more. Oh, okay. Tell us more. Oh, okay. We are handing over the views of young people and they will all voting for the first time all be voting for the first time at the next general election. And we towards that and as we head towards that election, be getting their election, well be getting their views think the main views on how they think the main parties doing. Parties are doing. Theyve all been so theyve all been monitoring big announcements from conservative party from the conservative Party Conference and as we have introduced you already to our young peoples panel, lets remind you of what we have heard and well get you to discuss from manchester. So far this week , labour will continue with week, labour will continue with their same failed approach taxing the poorest motorist political speed limits banning road Building Labour would put Just Stop Oil in the driving seat. Theyd fix a camera on every lamppost, put a hand in every pocket instead. We stand for pocket instead. We stand for freedom to travel. How you want a sensible approach to protecting our environment. We need businesses to be able to expand, to grow, and to create new jobs, to create new ideas. Create new jobs, to create new ideas. Thats why im calling ideas. Thats why im calling upon the chancellor at the autumn statement to put Corporation Tax back down to 19. And frankly , if we can get it and frankly, if we can get it lower, the better. So today were recognising the amazing work that many schools have done in banning mobile phones , and were mobile phones, and were announcing that we will change guidance so that all schools will follow their lead. Will follow their lead. Conservatives will always protect public services, but we also honest about the taxes that pay also honest about the taxes that pay for them after a once in a century pandemic and the Biggest Energy crisis in a generation, the level of tax is too high. We were right to protect jobs and families. And thanks to rishis families. And thanks to rishis furlough scheme , we recovered furlough scheme, we recovered faster from the pandemic than others. But with an ageing population and a war in europe, pubuc population and a war in europe, public spending is still growing faster than the economy. I stand for doing the right thing for the country in the long term, not taking the easy way out. I think thats the change that people want to see in their politics. Thats the change that im going bring. You saw im going to bring. And you saw that my decision on net that with my decision on net zero. Came into office, zero. When i came into office, inflation was at but are inflation was at 11. But we are getting it the last few getting it down. The last few numbers show that plan is numbers show that the plan is working and just as Margaret Thatcher did Nigel Thatcher did just as nigel lawson proud lawson did, those are proud conservatives im following in their tradition get inflation down because inflation the down because inflation is the evil we must defeat. And evil that we must defeat. And weve almost 3000 weve returned almost 3000 illegal to albania and Illegal Migrants to albania and you know what . Theyve stopped coming thats need to coming. Thats why we need to get rwanda up and running now. I am confident that the plans weve in place will work. Weve got in place will work. They theyve got they will deliver a theyve got a to do. Course, weve a lot to do. Of course, weve got to do. But this is got a lot to do. But this is a huge priority for me and were making a difference. My view on this is simple. It should be the british people who decide who comes country not comes to our country and not criminal gangs. Lets introduce you now to our panel we say hello, our panel and we say hello, first of to Ricardo Ricardo first of all, to Ricardo Ricardo is 17. Hes from buckinghamshire. And hes an a level student. Beside ricardo a level student. Beside ricardo is savannah , and savannah is 17 is savannah, and savannah is 17 as well. And shes from isleworth in west london, and shes a part Time Employee at mcdonalds. And you train people there. Youre a crew trainer. Then we have jane , and jane is then we have jane, and jane is from the university of cambridge. And youre from buckinghamshire, although youre obviously in accommodation in cambridge and Carmen Carmen is 21 years of age from egham and surrey. But so were you. Were you born in egham in surrey and lived a lot of your time in gibraltar, is that. Yeah. So im from gibraltar. My familys from gibraltar, but i in for university. I live in egham for university. I live in egham for university. I go to royal holloway. I i go to royal holloway. Yes, i understand that. Finally, weve sam and finally, weve got sam white, 19, also from white, whos 19, also from egham, but originally egham, surrey, but originally your university egham. Your university in egham. Yeah, but originally from but youre originally from witney in oxfordshire. Youre an witney in oxfordshire. Youre an undergraduate in drama and acting at royal holloway. Acting at royal holloway. So ricardo, lets start with you. A little bit of a sort of you. A little bit of a sort of flavour of you then. How closely are you following politics . How close are you following the conference in particular, and how much of what youre seeing interests you . Well, ive always really been interested in politics. Yes. I think it can be a force for good. And if the right policies are in place, that there can be great things that happen. The great things that happen. The conference is being very interesting. Theres been some interesting. Theres been some interesting points that have been brought up. Whats been interesting for you . I you . I think the some of the ideas that have been brought up in terms of the nhs and what they plan to do with hs2 , thats been plan to do with hs2, thats been very interesting. Well, why is that . Very interesting. Theyre going to scrap hs2, the northern leg. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, thats exactly. Well, thats, it. I yeah, thats exactly. Well, thats, it. I think that thats, thats it. I think that ijust thats, thats it. I think that i just cant get my head round that we want to rely on a victorian rail structure and not invest in the future. Me neither. I thought it would have been great for it to go all the way to manchester, but unfortunately not. How do the trains compare in spain, you were born . Spain, where you were born . I think theres some great transportation in spain. Weve got the av, which is the High Speed Rail Network. So how long have you had a High Speed Rail Network for . Im not sure. Im not sure. Its been a long time. Its been a long time. Its been a long time, but it goes through the whole of spain. Obviously much obviously spains got much larger seems to work well. Thats the trains in spain. You know, the rain in spain is mostly on the plain as well. Savannah, okay, so youre a crew trainer at mcdonalds . I am, yes. Why did you quit college . I finished my First College . I finished my first yearin college . I finished my first year in college and school. Im really not a School Person to be honest, so i just decided thats interesting because, you know, one of the big pushes for government now is to backtrack. And whereas under tony blair, it was education. Education education. This government are now invest in now saying invest in apprenticeships. Yeah. And youd apprenticeships. Yeah. And youd obviously be in agreement with that. That would suit you. Yeah. Yeah. Like i did think about going down the route of an apprenticeship , but also sports apprenticeship, but also sports did then. So did interest me back then. So i did interest me back then. So i did do a sports course and then decided after the year it wasnt for me. When you say sport interest to you, what to be an athlete or to you, what to be an athlete or to teach. To teach. To teach. To teach sports. Yeah to teach sports. Yeah yeah. So what interests yeah. So what what interests you . Are you passionate you . What are you passionate about politics . You look about in politics . When you look at conference, what is the at that conference, what is the message that comes across . Is there affecting there anything that is affecting you or interesting you . Im not too interested into politics. I never really was taught about it unless, you know, in school, unless you go down the business route, you dont really hear much about it. But watching the conference and stuff, they never really bring up young the conference and stuff, they never nunlessing up young the conference and stuff, they never nunless its up young the conference and stuff, they never nunless its something bad people unless its something bad like knife crime or drugs or, you know, interesting point. Yeah, they have no good points about us youth. So tell us a little bit about you then. Jane i understand youre studying law at cambridge so incredibly difficult to get in to study that and just tell us a little bit about what interests you, whether youre someone whos passionate about politics and how you think you might be voting come the election next year. Yeah. So i would say i am yeah. So i would say i am quite passionate about politics. I did a politics a level and so ive i think ive got quite ive got i think ive got quite good all the good knowledge of all the structural and sort how the structural and sort of how the inner workings of stuff works as well. But at this conference has been interesting to watch been really interesting to watch and with because is it and keep up with because is it just seem like its all a bit of a shambles, honestly , especially a shambles, honestly, especially theres pretty battelle and other people sort of talking about them being the next leader of the conservative party before the election even happened. So the election even happened. So i think it sounds like theyre almost admitting theyre already going to lose the election. And i think also whats really interesting, i think the slogan was sort of long term decisions for a Brighter Future or whatever. But at this conference, theyve already backtracked on to long term decisions which are hs2 and net zero policy. So i believe like i dont think we can really trust these long term decisions that theyre going to implement. Now if theyre already backtracking on theyve although if theyre already backtracking on would theyve although if theyre already backtracking on would argue, ve although if theyre already backtracking on would argue, wouldntgh if theyre already backtracking on would argue, wouldnt they, they would argue, wouldnt they, that their net target net zero targets still met. Targets will still be met. This might yeah, but this might just. Yeah, its the pace. Yeah. Its just slow the pace. Yeah. They were already ahead of they said were already ahead of our neighbouring countries and also trying also on hs2, theyre trying to persuade or at least were persuade us or at least were led to believe that rishi sunak will use some will say that theyll use some of to try and level of that money to try and level up and improve infrastructure in the carmen, what gets me is but carmen, what gets me is they keep blaming all the mess that in someone else. That were in on someone else. But conservative government but the conservative government have been solely power for 13 years. Yeah , yeah, they have. Yeah, yeah, they have. I mean, its quite interesting thing. When i was thinking about this and coming on here, i was trying to rack brain about trying to rack my brain about like, what are the great things that have happened in the past 13 years . And as someone whos not majorly , you know, im not not majorly, you know, im not majorly educated on politics, i couldnt think of one thing and i think thats interesting, right . Theyve been in power for a very long time. And as a 21 year old, i cant think of one major thing that has positively impacted my life as a young person. So i think that kind of person. So i think that kind of speaks for itself in its own way. Im certainly thinking, too, think anything too, i cant think of anything either. Either. Would that be any different under any government, given a lot circumstances weve lot of the circumstances weve all through . Lot of the circumstances weve all ithrough . Lot of the circumstances weve all i asngh . Lot of the circumstances weve all i ask that to you, sam, and i ask that to you, sam, you know, its been a difficult 13 years and youre, what, 19 now . You probably cant remember life before the conservatives. How do you feel about what youve seen this week . Ive just found it quite interesting seeing all the different perspectives about all the different sectors , something the different sectors, something thats really stuck out to me is just kind of like the talks about the immigration and how they want to reinforce that. Um, they want to reinforce that. Um, you know , i dont necessarily you know, i dont necessarily agree with those opinions because i just believe that as long as were treating people respectfully and with compassion and just understanding the perspective of many different people, that will like bring the nafion people, that will like bring the nation together, so do you like or loathe Suella Braverman mean, isuppose or loathe Suella Braverman mean, i suppose show of hands, is anyone this group of young people like what youve been heanng people like what youve been hearing from the home secretary . If you do put your hand up. Thats interesting, isnt it . Yeah , i think its just some yeah, i think its just some of the language thats used. It doesnt seem compassionate at all. I think like obviously all. Like i think like obviously theres massive talks on immigration at the moment. And to use the language to kind of like remove them and start pain. Exactly. And also , like when exactly. And also, like when talking about the Just Stop Oil protests, which are also massive right now to call clowns on right now to call them clowns on the streets and stuff. I dont think its kind like were think its very kind like were talking about people. Right. Well, could say to you, the well, could i say to you, the audience watch and listen audience that watch and listen to almost entirely to us will be almost entirely in complete what complete agreement with what Suella Braverman is saying. And i i could describe i think the way i could describe it is people are fearful, particularly maybe particularly people who maybe have worked their lives and have worked all their lives and theyre thinking, my theyre thinking, well, my pension be pension is going to be undermined. Theres going to undermined. Theres not going to be me in care home. Be room for me in a care home. Theres not going to housing, theres not going to be housing, whatever. Out there. And thats fair enough. I think , you know, its that think, you know, its that unknowingness though, like we should know whats happening. I dont think people should have to feel scared for their pension. Right . They should be able to say, oh, no, i know. I know whats going to happen. Um, but i just i feel like whether you agree with what she says or not, i feel like theres just you can go about it in a compassionate way. I want to ask you a question. As a drama student. Right . So you about acting . Yeah, i you know about acting . Yeah, i think personally, the performance of most senior performance level of most senior politicians in this country is horrendous. Its in front of horrendous. Its in front of camera keir starmer is horrendous in front of camera. Rishi sunak is horrendous in front of camera. People talk about , oh, front of camera. People talk about, oh, hes natural. And you know, Boris Johnson was all a big a big act like this. The only one i thought was half decent at the Party Conference is ed davey. I thought, you know, theyve got to act. Sunak will be acting today. What do will be acting today. What do you think of performance levels . Is there anybody you see in terms of a performance that you think, yeah, i would think, wow, wow, yeah, i would agree you there ed agree with you there with ed davey because he has very davey because he has a very naturalist way of delivering his speeches. Is that a bit of like a heightened level to where hes like bringing his presence and a bit more of a character rather than just like this completely , than just like this completely, as you said, like Boris Johnson with a almost wacky sort of character. Yeah, he seems a bit character. Yeah, he seems a bit more of a relatable figure, almost at bannau. Can i ask you because you talk about not really being , you talk about not really being, you know, taught about politics and perhaps like a lot of people, not that interested in it. Do you think that lowering the voting age, which is something labour have talked about, is a good idea, or do think that good idea, or do you think that actually 17, 18, maybe even good idea, or do you think that act maybe 17, 18, maybe even good idea, or do you think that act maybe many8, maybe even good idea, or do you think that act maybe many ofnaybe even good idea, or do you think that act maybe many of youre even good idea, or do you think that act maybe many of your peers| 19, maybe many of your peers arent that interested . Whats your sort of view on that . Well, growing up i know that a lot like friends that a lot of like my friends that ive grown up with and stuff, no. One, were all not really into politics. None of us have really much about it really learnt much about it unless again , you take the unless again, you take the business route in or you business route in school or you know, obviously there are know, but obviously there are people my age who are still interested and are really wanting to get involved. So i do wanting to get involved. So i do think 18 is the right age for, you know, to be able to vote. You know, to be able to vote. Do you broadly agree with that . Yeah, i mean, i think that maybe if it was like the voting age brought down, maybe that would encourage young people to become more interested, though, because if you cant vote at 16, why would you necessarily take interest . Nothing you interest . Theres nothing you can thought because we can hold that thought because we have right there. Have got janes right in there. Weve to hit a commercial weve got to hit a commercial break and well be back. More from young panel right after from our young panel right after this. Youre before the break, our young peoples panel, jane lee was about to make a point about the 14 age. Yes so we were talking about potentially lowering the voting age. And i think just just by doing that, that would force us political, Political Parties to make policies and actually focus more on younger people because we did say earlier that there isnt really much of a focus on younger people, especially from the conservatives. And part of those policies might also tend to include Climate Change and climate which i know climate activism, which i know they say is not a massive thing. And especially with conservative voters , as you were conservative voters, as you were saying, older conservative voters dont really see it as an issue. Im to going tell you something really scary now. Okay but when you all all work for many years and pay lots of tax and have children , your opinions and have children, your opinions may change. Does that horrify you at all . Maybe a little bit. I mean, i feel like also like my opinion from when i was 16 to now being 21 has changed. So much as well. So it is a bit scary. I do think like, oh, what am i going to become like . But its exciting as well. Ricardo tell us a little bit about your mothers experience as an immigrant in this country. Did she find it welcoming . Does the about does she find the chat about where the right level of migration is offensive, or does she understand that, you know, resources are finite . Resources are finite . Well, she initially came well, when she initially came here, i think she found it quite welcoming because they shes been working here and shes trying to kind of benefit the country. Shes a civil servant. Shes a civil servant. Yes, shes a civil servant. So i think thats been good. And i think immigration as a whole can be very positive if you look throughout history , britain has throughout history, britain has relied on immigration, even through the romans, all sorts. So yeah, i think we should focus on immigration and trying to bnngin on immigration and trying to bring in people to help and support the uk. How much does the law and your law degree at cambridge , your law degree at cambridge, how much does the echr this European Convention on human rights come up . Because, you know, we heard the home secretary again yesterday talking about how you cant talk about it without being accused of being a racist. But we need to rewrite it. It is that talked about your friends. About amongst your uni friends. Just got well, i have only just got there week ago, so im one there a week ago, so im one week in. Its basically just been freshers. Okay, fair enough. Okay, fair enough. But but think it is really but but i think it is really interesting that shes called it the criminal act instead the criminal rights act instead of human rights act. And of the human rights act. And i personally think that its a really important part of the constitution part of our constitution and part of our laws. I think its also laws. And i think its also a really interesting see. Really interesting to see. I think was Tom Tugendhat was think it was Tom Tugendhat was who disagreed with her as well. So theres that divide within the conservative party itself. And personally, i think that we should we need the human rights act and the European Convention of human rights and are there other things we need the tricky, sensitive subjects. Sam, im thinking of the pronouncement from the pronouncement today from the Health Secretary about having how did you describe it about female only wards , spaces, trans female only wards, spaces, trans genden female only wards, spaces, trans gender, people not being allowed in these same wards and things . Were not sure how many people that affects, how many people are interested with, with that sort of thing. But are these issues important in the greater scheme . Scheme . I believe that the rights of trans people is very important because as trans women are women i because as trans women are women , you know, they say that men men cant be women. In one of the speeches that they made up for debate because as you can transition , people have the transition, people have the freedom to do that. And they freedom to do that. And they should also be allowed the freedom to be on that big question. Some people wholl be watching and listening are genuinely confused. Can you define a woman in can you know . Define a woman in can you know . I dont know. I find it very, very difficult as a woman when someone asks me like, what is a woman . Im not sure i can answer that. I think theres obviously the simple answer, which is like biologically dont think biologically, but i dont think i think gender these days is such a Broad Spectrum i such a Broad Spectrum and i dont think it needs to be so simple and black and white. I think there can be a spectrum to it. Can we end by asking you guys to let us know how you would vote if an election was called today . Would you vote conservative based on what youve at tory party youve heard at Tory Party Conference, if you would raise your hand. Your hand. There we go. There we go. It doesnt look good for next yean it doesnt look good for next year. The conservatives would be saying were definitely not giving them vote. Yeah. Giving them the vote. Yeah. Thank you very much indeed. Really joy talking to you all really a joy talking to you all and to you. Thanks and listening to you. Thanks for coming you. And thank coming in. Thank you. And thank you watching and listening. You for watching and listening. Yeah. You for watching and listening. We h. You for watching and listening. We will be back bright and early up next, its early from 6 00. Up next, its britains newsroom with andrew and bev manchester. But and bev up in manchester. But first, the weather first, its the weather with alex burkill. Good morning. We have hello. Good morning. We have a north split in our a north south split in our weather heres your weather today. Heres your latest gb news bulletin. Latest gb news weather bulletin. Im alex burkill. We are going to see some wet weather already across parts scotland across western parts of scotland and further eastwards and feeding further eastwards across many parts as we go through day. The through the day. But the heaviest will always be heaviest rain will always be across Western Areas where were likely totals building up likely to see totals building up some flooding and some localised flooding and disruption travel here. Disruption to travel here. Elsewhere across many parts of the there be some the uk, there will be some showers around, not as the uk, there will be some showe as around, not as the uk, there will be some showe as wejnd, not as the uk, there will be some showe as we saw not as the uk, there will be some showe as we saw yesterday ot as the uk, there will be some showe as we saw yesterday and; many as we saw yesterday and they probably wont be quite as intense and theres a lower chance of seeing thunder intense and theres a lower charthenf seeing thunder intense and theres a lower charthe winds1g thunder intense and theres a lower charthe winds will thunder intense and theres a lower charthe winds will be thunder intense and theres a lower charthe winds will be slightlyr too. The winds will be slightly less with less strong and with temperatures highs temperatures reaching highs around possibly celsius, around 19, possibly 20 celsius, it should feel relatively warm in any sunny breaks through the end the day , we are going to end of the day, we are going to see dying out, but see any showers dying out, but there will still be some outbreaks around. You outbreaks of rain around. You can rain across parts can see some rain across parts of Northern England into Northern Ireland rain Northern Ireland and some rain pushing parts wales and pushing into parts of wales and the then another the south west and then another swathe weather feeding swathe of wet weather feeding across scotland as we go through the of thursday. But the early hours of thursday. But because the and rain, because of the cloud and rain, it likely to be a mild night it is likely to be a mild night than it has been recently for many places, as we go many places, at least as we go through thursday. Then quite a cloudy, picture across cloudy, damp picture across particularly Western North western brighter towards western parts, brighter towards the even here i am the east. But even here i am expecting the cloud to fill in a little bit as into the little bit as we go into the afternoon. More wet weather then pushing in from the west pushing its way in from the west and northwest. It is and the northwest. And so it is going to turn increasingly wet, particularly across western parts go parts of scotland as we go through thursday into through thursday and into friday. Many friday. Temperatures for many similar today. Similar to today. Very good morning. Here we very good morning. Here we are in manchester, the conservative Party Conference a little quieter. Little quieter. It is often happens with the leaders speech. So a lot of people think id rather watch it on listen to watch it on the tv, listen to on the radio. Well be here. Shes what youll be doing. But hes got a big, big act to follow because the home secretary good away. Away. Good morning to you. Its 9. 30 on wednesday, the 4th of october. This is britains newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson. Bev turner live in manchester on final day. You manchester on the final day. You might thank god for that. Might say. Thank god for that. I a conservative Party Conference. Faces a hurricane of britain faces a hurricane of mass migration. Thats the warning from home secretary Suella Braverman, who says that her illegal migration act will help to protect our borders. Those arriving illegally will be detained and removed back to their home country. Possible or to a safe third country. She, like rwanda