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Leave for the male menopause. You heard me right. So with almost 8 million brits languishing on a waiting list, has the countrys Health Service completely lost the plot . Completely lost the plot . Standing by to give their unfiltered views are my panel. Tonight Carol Mcgiffin. Suzanne evans and rebecca reid. In the evans and rebecca reid. In the clash is Kemi Badenoch right that britain is the best place in the world to be a black person . We will debate that with, among others , gb news with, among others, gb news superstar nana akua. Plus as shocking footage emerges of the have a go heroes intervening in an alleged shoplifting incident. Are the public right to step in . And does the rise of vigilantes reveal how powerless our police have become . Well, well speak have become . Well, well speak to former top cop harry miller , to former top cop harry miller, who lays down the law shortly. And also a first look at tomorrows newspaper front pages. And we will crown a new greatest briton and Union Jackass before the night is out. So buckle up for two hours of big opinion. Big debates and a splash of entertainment along the way. Lots to get through. But first, the news with polly middlehurst. Middlehurst. Mark, thank you and good evening to you. Well, the home secretary has warned of a future hurricane of mass migration into the uk in her speech to the Tory Party Conference in manchester today. Braverman said that as well as stopping illegal migration from coming to the uk , shell also make sure that legal migration is held at reasonable levels. Gb news presenter nigel farage criticised the speech , saying criticised the speech, saying the government was out of touch with ordinary voters. But ms braverman said the only way into the uk is via legal routes. Illegal migration act, which will come into force in the coming months, now means that the only route to asylum in the uk is a legal route. The act means that those arriving illegally will be detained and removed back to their home country if possible , or to a country if possible, or to a safe third country like rwanda. Well, the Prime Minister told gb news today hes the person to deliver change to britain. Rishi deliver change to britain. Rishi sunak defended his record on ilLegal Immigration, saying for the first time ever, the number of small boats crossing the engush of small boats crossing the English Channel from france was down by a fifth. He also reiterated his plan to halve inflation and accused the labour leader of being light on policy i youve got cost farmer who no one knows what he stands for. Flip flops left and right. The country can see through that. Thats not leadership. What im offering is different. I know people want change. Im the person to deliver it because were going to politics were going to do politics differently. Saw that on net differently. You saw that on net zero. That this week. Zero. Youll see that this week. Thats what you get from a conservative government and away from tory conference. From the Tory Party Conference. Minister, the former Prime Minister, bofis the former Prime Minister, boris was dismissive of boris johnson, was dismissive of disaster. The uk covid 19 inquiry has been hearing today on the bereaved families for Justice Group says there was a Leadership Void in the early days of the crisis and they went on to accuse mrjohnson of on to accuse mr johnson of cavalier public messaging just weeks before the first lockdown. The inquiry also heard that key whatsapp messages by the then Prime Minister are on recoverable. A 17 year old boy recoverable. A 17 year old boy who stabbed a 15 Year Old Girl to death in croydon last week will face a murder trial in the spring. The youth, who cant be identified due to his age, allegedly repeated he stabbed euanne allegedly repeated he stabbed elianne arade dam while she was on her way to school. The boy who knew the victim fled the scene but was arrested in south london just over an hour after the took. And lastly, the the attack took. And lastly, the prince and princess of wales were in cardiff today to meet members of the windrush generation. Prince william and kate greeting windrush veterans and their descendants during their visit marking the start of black history month, the met with organisations at the grange pavilion and Community Centre to hear about their contribution to the Welsh Community and the well known compare positive royal couple also joined in with a quick game of table tennis at the forum as well. Thats it on the forum as well. Thats it on tv , online dab radio and the tv, online dab radio and the tune in app. This is gb news. This is britains news channel. This is britains news channel. Well, this story raised my temperature tonight and gave me clammy hands. A trust within the nhs which claims, of course, that its a funding crisis. Is set to give male staff up to 12 months of paid leave if theyve got. Wait for it. Months of paid leave if theyve got. Wait for it. The male got. Wait for it. The male menopause. Local ambulance menopause. Local ambulance chiefs have reportedly been told to give consideration to men who experience the change. At this point in their lives. Managers at the trust have been told they should provide additional uniforms portable fans change shift patterns and give time off for sick leave for male Staff Members experiencing these problems. The justification for problems. The justification for this insanity is that men suffer menopause symptoms because of a drop in testosterone levels. Well theyve got some balls wasting taxpayers money like this. Yes, apparently when men reach their 50s, they get a whole host of symptoms, including erectile dysfunction and weight gain. No, sherlock. And weight gain. No, sherlock. You dont need a years paid leave or a special uniform. You need to give up the doughnuts and the pints of lager and go to the gym. The male menopause. Do the gym. The male menopause. Do me a favour. This story would be funny if it wasnt so serious. Funny if it wasnt so serious. The nhs has stressed that this is not a National Policy , but it is not a National Policy, but it reflects the culture of our Health Service now, which is separate covid from reality, steeped in gender ideology, which ignores the basic facts of human biology , which is a bit human biology, which is a bit worrying within a health system. Nhs leaflet is now talk about birthing humans as chest feeders and people who menstruate. Its and people who menstruate. Its a Health Service on its knees financially with a waiting list of almost 8 Million People employing an army of diversity officers , not a role that will officers, not a role that will cure your cancer hour or fix your back pain. The nhs has huge your back pain. The nhs has huge organised National Problems too. Far too many middle managers on six figure salaries. They pay too much for drugs. They pay too much for freelance workers and they pay too much for someone to install a light bulb. When a contractor does a job for the nhs. They add an extra zero. Who nhs. They add an extra zero. Who cares when its not your money . The philosophy and the values by which the service is now run is deeply flawed. Its a National Sickness Service Seeking to hand out medication rather than prevent illness. More money than ever goes into the nhs and yet we are sicker than ever. We should be asking for our money back. Should be asking for our money back. Now i love the nurses and back. Now i love the nurses and the doctors. The system is the doctors. The system is flawed, but the individuals are world class. But the decision by consultants on six figure salaries to go on strike is another reputation blow to our Health Service and a demonstration of its failing culture. Now the nurses in particular deserve a pay rise. Particular deserve a pay rise. But for anyone in the Health Care Profession to withdraw , care profession to withdraw, their labour is, in my opinion , their labour is, in my opinion, an egregious betrayal of what they signed up for. People boast that the nhs is the largest employer in the world. Thats not a boast. That is proof of its wild inefficiency. I love its wild inefficiency. I love the nhs and i want it to prevail. But its got to shrink, be more efficient and focus on illness prevention rather than the management of disease. But of course theyre more worried about sweaty middle aged men getting hot at work with half a Million People going private in the last year alone. The nhs risks becoming like the bbc pay for by everyone, but only used by some. At which point it has a crisis of credibility and a crisis of credibility and a crisis of credibility and a crisis of authority. Its not helped by stories like this one. Grown men being paid for a year off for their so called male menopause, whatever that is. Menopause, whatever that is. Ill be honest. This story gave me a hot flush and swollen ankles as the nhs has lost the plot. Its enough to make you sick. And is itjust me or is it sick. And is it just me or is it quite hot in here . Okay lets get reaction from my top Superstar Panel tonight. Columnist and media personality Carol Mcgiffin, political commentator Suzanne Evans, and author and journalist rebecca reid. Carol, male menopause. Do reid. Carol, male menopause. Do me a favour. Me a favour. It just gets more ludicrous every day, doesnt it . I mean, you only have to look through one of the papers that you wouldnt normally read to see vacancies. Yeah. See how many vacancies. Yeah. How many vacancies there are for people for non jobs with huge salaries. It really is. Its pathetic. Its almost like forget about the patients. Its forget about the patients. Its got nothing to do with you. This is just a giant, horrible , is just a giant, horrible, monstrous building of bureaucracy. And i think that bureaucracy. And i think that the rot set in, especially with what you mentioned there, with changing a light bulb, cost like £1,000 or, you know , they pay £1,000 or, you know, they pay too much for stupid bits of equipment, £5 for a packet of paracetamol that you can get for £0. 50 at morrisons. 30 9 pm. Boots. There you go. Boots. There you go. Didnt realise you were such a fan. Well, were giving you headache. The supermarkets you might do, but i do think that that the rot set in there with the pfi obsession and the thing is quite a lot of the time the maintenance contracts are tied in with the loans for the buildings, arent they . So they dont have a choice but to pay that. And its like its crippling, but nobody in the nhs seems to care too much. The only other thing is, does it not dilute notion of the it not dilute the notion of the female menopause, which is a very real hormonal change . I think it trivialises it. I think this is an insult to women. Yeah, but you know what, mark . I mean , you know, not every i mean, you know, not every single woman has to make a big, big meal out of it. Do that. And i know that thats not a thing when it happens, when ive got all women on the panel, when it happens to you, you will change your happens to you, you will change you no, its happened to me. No, its happened to me. No, its happened to me. Ive had it. Well its happened me. Happened to me. To say, i was and i have to say, i was working so hard, i didnt notice it. So theres lots of stuff out there at the moment. Women about menopause being it menopause being awful. It doesnt be that. I doesnt have to be like that. I really didnt. Are you must but there are women. You must know, who go through hell. Know, women who go through hell. Ive and listeners know, women who go through hell. Ive went and listeners know, women who go through hell. Ive went through 1d listeners know, women who go through hell. Ive went through1d lisright. Who went through hell. Right. Yeah absolutely. Ive got friends who went through hot flushes friends who went through hot flux i ies friends who went through hot flusl think youre right. I think youre right. I think youre right. This idea of a male menopause, which, lets face it, is not something thats medically is not something thats me and ly can have 12 and yet they can have 12 months it is nonsense. And months off. It is nonsense. And it only happen, afraid it could only happen, im afraid thats what thats what marks 12 months. And also extra uniforms and fans and all the rest of it. This only happen, this could only happen, im afraid, public afraid, in a Public Sector organisation has just got organisation that has just got so bloated and so woke and so overfunded as opposed to being super efficient. This couldnt happen in a in a private business. They go bust within a month. They go bust within a month. I mean, what man wouldnt like 12 months off go like to take 12 months off to go and buy motorbike, have them and buy a motorbike, have them ride sports car or find ride their sports car or find a new mistress or whatever it might be. All is. All it is. All it is. I think midlife crisis. I think the midlife crisis. I think think midlife crisis think i think the midlife crisis thing point, thing is possibly a good point, but i think that if this the but i think that if this is the way that open up to way that we can open up to talking about the difficulties that experience in talking about the difficulties that 50s, experience in talking about the difficulties that 50s, ex may nce in talking about the difficulties that 50s, ex may be in talking about the difficulties that 50s, ex may be a in talking about the difficulties that 50s, ex may be a goodn their 50s, it may be a good thing because is a sort thing because it is a sort of mid 40s mid 50s is a very mid 40s to mid 50s is a very difficult time in terms of Mens Mental Health Mens Mental Health and mens behaviour. We behaviour. And i think we sometimes off the fact behaviour. And i think we somnweies off the fact behaviour. And i think we somnweies women the fact behaviour. And i think we somnweies women are fact behaviour. And i think we somnweies women are very good that we talk women are very good about each and about supporting each other and about supporting each other and about looking to our about sort of looking to our mental and we have much about sort of looking to our ment. Of and we have much about sort of looking to our ment. Of. Group have much about sort of looking to our ment. Of. Group system. Iuch about sort of looking to our ment. Of. Group system. Men more of a peer group system. Men dont have that amongst more of a peer group system. Men dontfriends have that amongst more of a peer group system. Men dontfriends ande that amongst more of a peer group system. Men dontfriends and itthat amongst more of a peer group system. Men dontfriends and it isntamongst more of a peer group system. Men dontfriends and it isnt asongst their friends and it isnt as medically recognised either. We all less likely to all know men are less likely to go doctor, less likely to go to the doctor, less likely to seek support. Seek Mental Health support. I think trying to think what theyre trying to do here say sometimes men really here is say sometimes men really lose this point and lose their way at this point and they supported they should be supported by their they should be supported by the indeed. But i think indeed. But but i think calling the menopause is an calling it the menopause is an insult to i mean, why insult to women. I mean, why have muscle in all have men got to muscle in on all of the female things . Now, you know, participating in know, men are participating in womens be womens sport. They want to be arrested i mean, arrested and go to i mean, i would if men would like to would say if men would like to do the parenting and do more of the parenting and domestic im very happy do more of the parenting and domnthat. Im very happy with that. If any want to come and if any men want to come and do washing im very do my washing up, im very comfortable that call it comfortable with that call it sort middle aged health sort of a middle aged health issues, but calling it a i think i think i honestly 12 months i think. Thats to be think. But thats got to be really rare, right . Get 12 months off you dont get 12 months off with well, actually, with menopause. Well, actually, we might need 3 or 4. We need we might need 3 or 4. Some private sector well, so some private sector employees, now, employees, employers now, for instance, i think channel 4 are very menopause very good about having menopause leave in the same way that you very good about having menopause leavtake the same way that you very good about having menopause leavtake menstrualvay that you very good about having menopause leavtake menstrual leave it you very good about having menopause leavtake menstrual leave ifyou can take menstrual leave if youre significant youre having really significant problems. The problems. But it should be the exception, and the exception, not the rule and the other thing i would do other thing i would say, why do we menstrual or we need menstrual leave or menopause we need menstrual leave or me why . Se why . Why . Have good old well, if you have good Old Fashioned leave, im not fashioned sick leave, im not well, reason it well, for whatever reason it might mental and might be physical or mental and call it and call it sick. Well, the big problem is that kind of, you every thing you know, put every little thing into little. Into its own tiny little. We also we shouldnt accept that menstrual that crippling menstrual problems or crippling menstruation, problems or crippling me|normal. N, are normal. Its not should be its not you should be getting should getting mental. You should be getting support for that. It shouldnt life getting support for that. It sh have t life getting support for that. It sh have your life getting support for that. It sh have your period life getting support for that. It sh have your period or life getting support for that. It sh have your period or havefe to have your period or have menopause. We dont menopause. And i think we dont do to look after those things. The other tell your employer that, oh, ive got crippling menstrual cramps. Need time off thats why i need time off as opposed saying opposed to just saying im sorry, opposed to just saying im sor|i, opposed to just saying im sor|i mean, i honestly, i think i mean, i honestly, i think you take time off when you have menstrual cramps. You take time off when you have me milk. L cramps. Milk. Milk. Know, im well, i you know, im cramping as we speak. They sympathy cramps . Are they sympathy cramps . Are they sympathy cramps . Very excited because im very excited to be all three of you. The be around all three of you. The bottom that, you know, bottom line is that, you know, the a real the menopause is a very real condition and millions condition for women and millions of around world. Of women around the world. I mean, know, stories, mean, you know, the stories, its natural as well, its a natural thing as well, for sure. Forget that. Its a natural. Right. Is male right. But what is the male menopause this menopause every single this feels, like the feels, carol, this is like the man which, of course, is man flu, which, of course, is far than that far worse than the flu that women get. Technically, of women get. But technically, of course, it is. Men are the worst i mean, men are the worst hypochondriacs. Think the. Hypochondriacs. I think the. I cant believe im defending men. Know . Men. What do you know . Do know anything listen, do you know anything about these men in their 50s going symptoms . Any going through symptoms . Any any personal experience of that . Have man . Have you met a menopausal man . Menopausal, no. But well, not menopausal, no. But just, you know, people whove gone. My friends have gone. A lot of my friends have gone. A lot of my friends have gone completely crackers for a few mean, know, few years. I mean, you know, literally they literally changing what they wear, what what they wear, what they do, what they look. They all go look. I think they all go through a midlife crisis. It is a crisis. Through a midlife crisis. It is a c|ive got a lot friends who ive got a lot of friends who are getting sick. Im are suddenly getting sick. Im 31. Lot of friends who 31. Ive got lot of friends who are suddenly getting siblings from have left from their dads who have left their started again. Their mums and started again. And is a terrifying thing and that is a terrifying thing to do your and i think to do to your life and i think you be quite unhappy. You must be quite unhappy. And i think supported think maybe if we supported people might have think maybe if we supported penmuch might have think maybe if we supported penmuch of might have think maybe if we supported penmuch of that might have think maybe if we supported penmuch of that happening. Have so much of that happening. Brilliant look brilliant stuff. Well, look what think about this . What do you think about this . How you feel about your tax how do you feel about your tax payer being used, being payer cash being used, being funnelled the support funnelled into the support of people menopause . People with the male menopause . This mark, this from alan who says, mark, this this will bleed this is madness. This will bleed the. Lee says, i think the nhs dry. Lee says, i think the nhs dry. Lee says, i think theissue the nhs dry. Lee says, i think the issue here lies in what theyre calling it because it relates to what women get out. If they called it something different, maybe it wouldnt be frowned upon as much as it is being. Listen ill get more emails on that shortly. Can i emails on that shortly. Can i get your quick immediate snapshot . Not response to suella snapshot . Not response to Suella Braverman speech . Its the big braverman speech . Its the big political story of the day. Do you the what she has said you think the what she has said today, suzanne, will chime with British Public opinion. She British Public opinion. She talked about a hurricane, a potential hurricane of immigration into country. Immigration into the country. It will certainly i think it will certainly chime that significant chime with that significant percentage the population percentage of the population that want to see that actually dont want to see open , that want to see open borders, that want to see immigration controlled and absolutely death of the absolutely sick to death of the tories decades to tories, promising for decades to get to the tens of get it down to the tens of thousands. Her thousands. Yeah, i thought her speech was fantastic. Well, well debating speech was fantastic. with well, well debating speech was fantastic. with welfarage debating speech was fantastic. with welfarage in debating speech was fantastic. with welfarage in justjating speech was fantastic. with welfarage in just ating it with nigel farage in just a few minutes. Is Suella Braverman really serious about stopping the boats . Nigel is up very shortly. Live from manchester. Plus, by the way, ill be asking him, is he going to save the tories . But coming up as shocking footage emerges of the have a go heroes intervening in an alleged shoplifting incident, are the public right to step in . And does the rise of vigilante ortiz reveal how powerless our police have become . Well debate that from three on gb news choose. An from three on gb news choose. An nhs trust is paying male workers hours to stay at home if theyve got symptoms of male menopause . Got symptoms of male menopause . Thats right. Your reaction . Well very strong on email, richard says this is just another reason to reform the out of control , bloated tax rinsing of control, bloated tax rinsing nhs. Keith says. Mark strange how its taken the world until 2023 to discover that men go through the menopause. Could that be because it doesnt exist . And yvonne says, mark, im listening and looking like something that sits on the back shelf of a cortina, shaking my headin shelf of a cortina, shaking my head in disbelief. Shelf of a cortina, shaking my head in disbelief. Ill shelf of a cortina, shaking my head in disbelief. Ill get to head in disbelief. Ill get to more of your emails shortly. Mark at gbnews. Com now with policing in a perilous state, groups of brits who have been coined the have a go heroes have begun taking the law into their own hands. Take a look at this dramatic moment when alleged shoplifters tried to make a quick getaway. Only to be stopped in their tracks. Stopped in their tracks. A british. Whats my seat . Resisting whats he whats he . Please . You are release your release from now. Release from now. Now for clarity. That is members of the public taking charge. It then reportedly took charge. It then reportedly took more than half an hour for the Actual Police to arrive. Im joined by former Police Officer harry miller. Harry, two of the men have been arrested and released on conditional bail. So well avoid getting into the specifics this case. But what specifics of this case. But what do you think about this story . What does it say about the state of law and order in this country that the public are stepping that the public are now stepping in . Well, i. I watched that that footage. And i suspect, like footage. And i suspect, like most of your viewers , i was most of your viewers, i was absolutely overjoyed to see it. Its about time that sort of thing happened because we have a real problem in this country at the moment. Real problem in this country at the moment. We have we have police not turning up unless its something incredibly important, like organised crime gangs like county lines or like misgendering, for instance. But when it comes to things like shoplifting , you cannot rely on shoplifting, you cannot rely on the police arriving. Now, the pubuc the police arriving. Now, the public knows this, but more to the point the criminal also knows this. There is no expectation of being caught shoplifting is 1 billion industry in this country , around industry in this country, around about £950 million. Thats more than the max robbery. Way, way than the max robbery. Way, way more, way, way more , because it more, way, way more, because it comes in dribs and drabs. Its not given the serious attention that it should be given. So its that it should be given. So its no wonder, really, that the pubuc no wonder, really, that the public are doing the job that the police are paid to do. The police are paid to do. Yes. The Co Op Supermarket , yes. The Co Op Supermarket, we have talked about a thousand incidents a day. Do the public incidents a day. Do the public who step in deserve more Legal Protection . Because, harry, as protection . Because, harry, as you know , quite often, if you you know, quite often, if you apprehend somebody thats breaking the law, youre the one that could get in trouble. That could get in trouble. No, not really, because weve always had the right as the pubuc always had the right as the public to make an arrest when there is a crime taking place. There is a crime taking place. Were allowed to do that. Now, are you sure . Yes. 100 certain. Yes. This is something that is misunderstood. The police operate, for the most part on common law powers of arrest. So common law powers of arrest. So when a theft is taking place, the police operate under the same power that the general pubuc same power that the general public operates under. That, for instance, dodi detectives operate under , we are allowed to operate under, we are allowed to make these arrests, providing that we have reasonable suspicion that a crime is taken place. If it is suspicion that a crime is taken place. If it is taking suspicion that a crime is taken place. If it is taking place, we place. If it is taking place, we can make the arrest. Now, the worrying thing here is that with the increase in knife crime and Violent Crime up. According to Violent Crime up. According to some 25 in the year , we have to some 25 in the year, we have to be a little bit careful. We have be a little bit careful. We have to do an on the spot Risk Assessment whether or not we, as the members of the public, we dont carry tasers, we dont have radio communications, we dont have a baton or anything like that. We dont have any body to make body protection. We have to make a assessment. Should we get a Risk Assessment. Should we get involved. Now, that is something that you have to do on an incident by incident basis. But incident by incident basis. But incident by incident basis. But in principle, i think its absolutely right that the member that members of the public step in and collar these theyve every right to do so. And i think absent of the police doing it, the public should consider doing it. I mean , i had the coronation i mean, i had the coronation street actor Charlie Lawson on my show a few days ago, and he said, if you see someone shoplifting, you should beat the crap out of them. I said that thats not a good idea. Yeah, thats not a good idea. Yeah, that would against law. That would be against the law. Surely encourage surely you wouldnt encourage that . That . No, of course you dont. You beat out them. What beat the crap out of them. What youre to do, are youre allowed to do, you are allowed reasonable force allowed to use reasonable force. Force stop the. Reasonable force to stop the theft taking place. And to detain the miscreant until the police arrive. You are allowed to do that now. The force will always be relative to the amount of force, the amount of resistance that the shoplifter is exerting on you to get away. Is exerting on you to get away. But in principle , you are but in principle, you are absolutely right. You can use whatever force, whatever reasonable force is necessary to stop the theft and detain the person until the police arrive. But and again, this is the word of caution. We have to be of caution. We have to be careful because knife crime is on the increase. I mean , if you had a loved i mean, if you had a loved one that was witnessing a shoplifting incident, would you want them to act . What if they got stabbed to death . Well exactly. Thats why i say you have to do a Risk Assessment. Well, how do you do that, harry . You havent got x ray specs, have you . No. You dont. You dont. You dont x ray specs. No, but dont have x ray specs. No, but youve make a judgement. Youve got to make a judgement. Youve got to make a judgement if, its somebody whos if, if its somebody whos tooled going step tooled up, im going to step back take notes about back and simply take notes about who they are. Somebody who they are. If its somebody that be an that i consider to be an opportunity thief, i will consider whether im able to physically overpower them and stop them every body has to make that Risk Assessment. Im not that Risk Assessment. Im not advising members of the public to go racing in where angels fear tread. Not at but fear to tread. Not at all. But but we have the right to do that. And the other thing is this where are our police . I remember where are our police . I remember when i was a Police Officer , you when i was a Police Officer, you had done a shift unless youd nabbed unless youd collared a shoplifter. Now, in effect, shoplifting has been decriminalised. And lord rose, decriminalised. And lord rose, the chairman of asda, has said precisely that, that shoplifting is so far down the list of whats important to the police that in effect, its become decriminalised. And now that decriminalised. And now that pride season is over , thank pride season is over, thank goodness. So hopefully the police may be able to turn their attention to solving and preventing crime. But i dont hold out too much hope. Yeah i mean, where are the police going wrong . Is it resource . Is it the culture . Is it policy . Culture . Is it policy . All of that . All all of that . I mean, the police are under resourced. Theyre over papennork. Theyre expected to papennork. Theyre expected to do a Mental Health analysis. Theyre expected to babysit people whove injured themselves whilst theyve been committing a crime. Entire shifts are lost crime. Entire shifts are lost where Police Officers are babysitting, you know, criminals at hospitals because all you need to do is say, oh, ive hurt my head , i bang my head and then my head, i bang my head and then the police are obliged to look after the welfare of that person , take them to hospital. And before you know it, an entire shift has disappeared. So we shift has disappeared. So we have a systemic problem. We also have a systemic problem. We also have a systemic problem. We also have a political problem because there doesnt appear to be the political will to police and prosecute these so called minor crimes. Well, theyre not minor crimes. Well, theyre not minor crimes. If youre a shopkeeper and you are having your stock taken away from you on a daily basis , its not a minor crime. Basis, its not a minor crime. Its a major crime. Its the threat to your livelihood. So the police need to reprioritize on this. Suella braverman is absolutely 100 correct. The police need to turn up to thefts. They need to turn up to burglaries. They need to turn up to all of the so called small crimes in order to free up crimes now in order to free up a little bit of time, they need to stop policing pronouns. They stop policing pronouns. They need to stop ringing up members of the public because they rejected a transfer ride shopping bag, is what shopping bag, which is what happened the day in happened just the other day in nottingham. They to stop nottingham. They need to stop going marches. They going on pride marches. They need attending black need to stop attending black lives matter, Critical Race Theory conferences, and they need to get out onto the street and doing the job that a Police Officer is paid to do that is collaring criminals. Harry last but not least, i ask you about the met police who many years ago were described as institutionally racist, which is of course, an enormous shame on that resource, an absolute disgrace. Do you think that british policing is now institutionally woke . Institutionally woke . Yes, its absolutely institutional. He woke 100 and institutional. He woke 100 and they tell us this. They fly the they tell us this. They fly the flags, they go on the conferences. They do absolutely everything within their power to turn our police force. Our turn our police force. Our average british bobby, into a woke member of the stasi. Thats what that is what thats whats happening. There are so many conferences. There are so many conferences. There are so many marches and police. Whatsapp groups are being policed by, by, by, by one of the colleagues. If you tell an off colour joke, for instance, theres a positive obugafion instance, theres a positive obligation for you to be reported. You you cant exercise reported. You you cant exercise black humour. I dont know whether im supposed to say the you use the phrase black humour. By you use the phrase black humour. By the way, thats a thats where were at, unfortunately. So yes, we have a ideological police need to get rid of that. Start again and have the Police Policing crime. Thats what we harry miller for home secretary Suella Braverman eat your heart out, harry. Thanks for your time. Well catch up soon in the clashes. Kemi badenoch right that britain is the best place in the world to black will debate to be a black person will debate that gb news superstar nana that with gb news superstar nana akua at and a writer and anti racist Campaign Owner femi nylander. But first it was the big speech of conference so far from Suella Braverman. But is she really serious about stopping the boats . The one and only nigel farage joins me live from manchester to discuss that isabel monday to thursdays from. Six till 930. Six till 930. So the public are taking the law into their own hands and tackling shoplifting. Wheres tackling shoplifting. Wheres this from . Class . Who says hi, mark. Finally, the public are stepping in on criminals like shoplifters, and it is fantastic. Well done to these brave people. Meanwhile, lulu says , people. Meanwhile, lulu says, mark, im surprised they havent nicked the blokes who apprehended the thieves. Our apprehended the thieves. Our police are too preoccupied with kneeling at the altar of woke. They have become a complete laughing stock. Ill get two more of your emails shortly , but more of your emails shortly, but of course it was the big speech of course it was the big speech of the day. Suella braverman talking tough on ilLegal Immigration and levels of net migration. But is she serious about stopping the boats . Wheres the substance . Lets go to manchester now and gb news very own nigel farage. Nigel, were you convinced by what you heard . Heard . No, weve heard it all before. All the right analysis . Before. All the right analysis . Yes, all the right rhetoric. Maybe Even Stronger than priti patel. But no Solutions Offered whatsoever. And mark, unbelievably, the whole conference was waiting to hear about the echr. And do you know about the echr. And do you know what she didnt even mention it. She talked about the human rights act, but didnt mention echr withdrawal. Now, some say rishi will spring this on us tomorrow. No, rishi will spring this on us tomorrow. No, im not so rishi will spring this on us tomorrow. No, im not so sure rishi will spring this on us tomorrow. No, im not so sure. Tomorrow. No, im not so sure. Indeed. And of course, the echr. That would be the tangible echr. That would be the tangible message that this government is serious about stopping the boats. Do they have any credibility if taking the echr off the table . Is an option. In off the table . Is an option. In my view, absolutely none. My view, absolutely none. Unless you can deport people you cannot stop the criminal traffickers from collecting their ,5,000 a time as i say, maybe rishi sunak ill speak about it tomorrow. But so far from this conference, theres not one big, strong, positive message. I thought her speech message. I thought her speech today. Oh shes better at speaking in public and all the rest of it. But in terms of what shes actually going to do, she was like a toothless puppy. Was like a toothless puppy. So youre not convinced, nigel, why did you go up to conference this year . Conference this year . Well, two reasons, really , well, two reasons, really, mark. One, of course, to cover stuff for gb news. The second to assess the mood and maybe cause assess the mood and maybe cause a bit of mischief and what ive found is ovennhelming. Only the found is ovennhelming. Only the delegates believe in the things im saying. Believe in the im saying. Believe in the campaigns. Ive been pushing. And you know, much of it, you know, we are hearing, arent we, liz truss . We are hearing politicians in the conservative party now saying things that ive been saying for the best part of 20 years. So i like to think my presence here gives some influence. Well indeed. And your rapturous reception often tells us that the movement itself, the grass roots conservatives, want to have a conservatives, want to have a conservative party again, but they dont have one. No. No. No. And you know, the funny thing is this. The centre of gravity where the mps are is just a mile away from where the activists and where the voters are. This party has now become a social democrat , big state, big democrat, big state, big surveillance , big tax, mass mass surveillance, big tax, mass mass Legal Immigration policy. Theyre nowhere. Theyre nowhere. Sunak theyre nowhere. Theyre nowhere. Sunak has one chance. We saw a couple of weeks ago on net zero some sensible moves, but tomorrow is his one big chance tomorrow is his one big chance to put out a message , which i to put out a message, which i just dont know, though , whether just dont know, though, whether hes really got it in him. Hes really got it in him. Indeed, this could be rhetoric and of course they will pay rhetoric and of course they will pay the price that the at the ballot box but would not labour be in terms of stopping be worse in terms of stopping the controlling levels the boats and controlling levels of legal migration as well. Of legal migration as well. Nigel, do you do you have to be careful what you wish for . How could they be worse . How how could they be worse . How could it possibly be worse . If could it possibly be worse . If id said to you in 2010, over 100,000 young men would cross the English Channel in dinghies, you wouldnt have believed me if id said to you in 2010, when cameron took power, that legal net migration would be running at 600,000 a year. You wouldnt have believed me. Can labour really be worse than that now . Of course, the conservative party is the most established and Oldest Political Party in european political history. Therefore its an impressive platform. They may well lose the next election, nigel, but dont you think you could revive their fortunes . I mean, rishi sunak has said in an interview that he wouldnt rule out welcoming you into the party. He hes shown you a bit of leg as well. I guess he has in a way, although had he rejected it, i think half the Conference Hall would have walked out when he spoke yesterday. So he didnt have option on that, have much option on that, really. I mean, look, wouldnt really. I mean, look, i wouldnt join party its join the party now as its currently constructed, but whats really been happening here over the course of the last few forget whats few days, forget whats happening the hall. Its on happening in the hall. Its on the and thats the the fringe. And thats where the energy youve one energy is. Youve got the one nafion energy is. Youve got the one nation there are 80 nation lot saying there are 80 of us. Nothing must change. And then youve got the truss wing saying, got to become a saying, weve got to become a party tax, of party of low tax, a party of entrepreneurs. Whats really entrepreneurs. Whats really happening theyre happening here . Theyre jockeying for which wing wins is after they lose the next election. If the right wing were to win, well, then you know what i think about it. Indeed. Would you include Suella Braverman in that sort of truss site group . Yes truss site group . Yes yes. Yes. Oh, yes. I mean, look, she look, she talks the talk of many of these things. Shes a genuine brexiteer. Shes the only member brexiteer. Shes the only member of the cabinet that went all the way and voted three times against liz trusss appalling deal. Against liz trusss appalling deal. No, she is genuine in her deal. No, she is genuine in her convictions. But what tends to happenis convictions. But what tends to happen is these mps get Senior Office and somehow now they seem to change. Today was from her. I thought, a very big disappointment. Interesting stuff, words. Interesting stuff, words. Nigel, lets take a look at a little bit of dance floor action. Last night at conference. I think you might be involved. Take a look. La la la involved. Take a look. La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la. Forget about sleeping with the enemy. Dancing with the enemy, nigel. Its a love in. It was just a normal night out for me. Mark. I do this sort of thing every evening. Nothing very exceptional about it at all. But i tell you what, the Gb News Party was the social event of this conference and well done to everybody at our channel for making it such a great fun and i mean fun event. Mean fun event. Yes, nigel, we havent spoken. Ill let you go in a second and thank you so much for all of your brilliant on air contributions today. But we havent spoken since. A lot of drama that befell this channel in recent days. Of course, we wont get into the details, but the establishment that have seized upon this opportunity to try to shut us down, will they succeed . Succeed . I mean. Adam boulton god help i mean. Adam boulton god help us. Adam boulton saying we should be closed down because there is an ecology in broadcasting. Ive been here before, ive been here before , before, ive been here before, you know, they wanted ukip closed down because they couldnt bear us. There no couldnt bear us. There is no way theyre going to close gb news make last week news down. We did make last week some very bad mistakes as a channel, but hey , we havent channel, but hey, we havent hosted Russell Brand or jimmy saville. We havent suggested that acid be thrown over public figures. It wasnt good. But were not only survive it, well thrive from it. And i tell you what, when youre here at this conference, you realise this channel now has serious influence in public life in britain, and we should all yourself included, be very proud of that. Amen to that. Nigel id love to buy you a pint. Have a brilliant evening and well catch up soon. Gb news star nigel farage. Fascinating stuff. Your reaction. Mark at gbnews. Com nigel not happy with Suella Bravermans speech. She said. He said shes talking the talk, but theres no substance. No content. Exactly what Ann Widdecombe told me a couple of nights ago on my show while ann is back with her verdict before 11 00. So folks, lots to get through. Coming up as policing minister chris philp reveals plans for police to check all thieves caught on cctv against the countrys passport database. Is this kind of intrusion a necessary step to tackle lawlessness and take back control of our country or is it onnellian overreach . My panel onnellian overreach . My panel debate that shortly, but next, as shocking footage emerges of the have a go heroes invading intervening in alleged incident , what do you think about the pubuc , what do you think about the public stepping in . Mark gbnews. Com. So much to get through. Next up , we will be through. Next up, we will be debating something very fascinating, which is britain in the best place in the world for a black person to reside . Well debate that with gb news superstar akua in the clash n ext next the nhs finally loses the plot thatis the nhs finally loses the plot that is the topic of my big opinion, which you can catch on twitter shortly. Wendy bravo twitter shortly. Wendy bravo mark. I agree with you wholeheartedly on your monologue about giving male staff half a year off for menopause symptoms instead of ploughing more money into a bottomless pit. The nhs needs to be overhaul old. It would be laughable if not worryingly possible. How about this from rudy who says hi mark. Men do get a type of menopause, but its unhelpful to call it mens menopause. Thank you for that. And ill get to more of your emails shortly. But its time now for the clash. And in time now for the clash. And in a punchy speech at the Tory Party Conference in manchester, the Kemi Badenoch was sticking the boot into labour for its position on trans rights and for peddung position on trans rights and for peddling a quote, narrative of hopelessness for young black brits. She also made this brits. She also made this headune brits. She also made this headline grabbing claim. Take a listen. Listen. I tell my children that this is the best country in the world to be black because it is a country that sees people not labels. Labels. We believe, as Martin Luther king once said, people should be judged by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin. Their skin. So is Kemi Badenoch right . Is britain the best country in the world to be a black person . Let me know your thoughts. Mark at gbnews. Com or on twitter at to gbnews. Com or on twitter at to gb news debate this, im delighted to welcome jeb news superstar presenter nana akua and Brilliant Writer and and the Brilliant Writer and anti racism campaigner femi nylander. Femi let me start with you. Do you agree with Kemi Badenoch . Badenoch . I mean, not really. Theres plenty of countries in the world. Theres a large number of countries in the in the planet, and i dont see any reason to say that britain is the best country in the world to be black. I mean, it depends on who you i will say this, that you are. I will say this, that that britain generally compared to other countries, is a very wealthy country. And therefore, in terms of many of the metrics by measure life by which we measure life satisfaction, such as life expected nc such as General Household wealth, access to access to kind of basic fundamentals such as food, water, its quite high up. But at the same time, part of the reason that its high up is because of its history of exploiting black people in other parts of the world. Um, and so its a bit like, its a bit like if i was in a field, if i was a rabbit in a field and there were white rabbits and black rabbits and green rabbits and one of the groups of rabbits went and took all the carrots, brought them over here and then said, well, this corner of the field is the best corner and want to live best corner and you want to live in, it is. But we in, then . Yeah, it is. But we have to ask why it is briefly before i come to nana. Surely britain is a femi surely britain is a better of better place for people of colour france , italy. Most colour than france, italy. Most of Eastern Europe and the united states. States. Um, so france, italy, most of Eastern Europe and the united states. I would definitely say in france, for example, one of the things that we recognise in the things that we recognise in the uk that people dont recognise in france is race. So in france you have this , this in france you have this, this idea that you cannot be black or white or arab, at least in terms of a national sense. Theres no census which actually measures this stuff your french and thats it. And thats why they dont have data which tells them the percentage of black people that are stopped and searched compared to white people or the percentage of black people in the criminal Justice System. Something have here is so something we do have here is so statistics. We have those statistics. We have those statistics , we that statistics, we have that information. Would say information. And i would say that uk does that is something the uk does better would better than france. But i would also say that one of the things that came was trying push that came was trying to push with her speech the idea that with her speech is the idea that we necessarily have we shouldnt necessarily have that we should just see that and we should just see people race people and we shouldnt see race even if race is a reality in society and there are many inequalities in society which are based upon race. So i will i will concede that , for example, will concede that, for example, in america, they have guns , in america, they have guns, which means that their racism can lot more violent can get a lot more violent sometimes with police brutality. I will concede that , um, that in i will concede that, um, that in Eastern Europe , in some parts of Eastern Europe, in some parts of Eastern Europe, in some parts of Eastern Europe, in some parts of Eastern Europe, you have, you have some very, very intense racism against migrants and the rest. But i racism against migrants and the rest. But i dont think that absolves the uk of also being a place that has a lot of issues with race. What do you think . Nana does Kemi Badenoch have a point . Kemi badenoch have a point . Well, in my experience i think she does. Yes, it is literally the best country that ive been to as a black person. Ive been to as a black person. Um, ive been to ive been all across europe. I faced a lot of racism there. I lived in america for some time. That was incredibly segregated and quite racist. But, uh, australia , racist. But, uh, australia, there are very few people of colour there. They have their issues to this country. Definitely rates as one of the top. I mean, it actually sounds like femi is agreeing with kenny with what hes saying there, because obviously , i mean, femi, because obviously, i mean, femi, youve got you you youve got you know, you graduated from oxford university, the best university, one of the best universities if universities in the world, if not many would say possibly the best. Has a best. So this country has a lot to offer. And although there may be some barriers to entry in terms of colour, if you see it that way, there certainly werent you werent that many for you because youre the top teeny, because youre in the top teeny, teeny tiny of people teeny, tiny percentile of people that went to that university. So i think you are an example of, you know, how being black in this country doesnt necessarily only become a hindrance. And i absolutely agree with femi. When kemi , when she talks about the kemi, when she talks about the fact that often we are doing down black people in terms of our narrative, even putting us in bame and stuff like that, putting these little categories in in the way that kind of marginalised black people. And what shes saying. And i used to lecture in schools is that there is this narrative that kind of allows black people to accept that they will know, that they will be, you know, prejudiced against and its going to terrible. And going to be terrible. And whereas my dad always used to say no word as say theres no such word as cant , its and would cant, its wont. And he would say , there sometimes is a glass say, there sometimes is a glass ceiling, its made of glass ceiling, but its made of glass break. It used to tell that break. It used to tell me that forget colour, get on with forget colour, just get on with the job. However, nana are you not gaslighting of racism in gaslighting victims of racism in this country by saying it is the best place in the world to be of colour . Yeah, well, not really , yeah, well, not really, because ive been a victim of racism myself, but ive been a victim of racism in ghana. When i went to ghana , i was told to i went to ghana, i was told to go back to where i came from. So. And thats so they were looking the i was looking at the way i was dressed, at and dressed, looking at me and telling i didnt telling me that i didnt belong there. So no, im not gaslighting. I accept theres racism, but thats not going to stop soon. People are stop anytime soon. People are racist even to black people get more racism from black people towards me than i do from white. Also, to be honest , racism also, to be honest, racism exists and we accept that in any walk of life, wherever you are. But i would say that this country is one of the least racist, if not the least racist that i have been to. Well indeed. I mean, dont you think for me, the narrative that britain is a country riven with racism is a country riven with racism is being deployed and leveraged by political figures to divide. Us no, certainly not. I think that i no, certainly not. I think thati do no, certainly not. I think that i do have to say that i do disagree with kemi. And i mean disagree with kemi. And i mean in america , theres black people in america, theres black people that go to harvard in france, as black people that go to top universities. Of course, youre always going to some always going to have some exceptions the rule. But when exceptions to the rule. But when you education this you look at education in this country, segregated country, it is quite segregated nonetheless. No i think that when we look at the criminal Justice System, when we look at housing, we look at the housing, when we look at the imbalances of between imbalances of wealth between black people and pakistani people and white people , when we people and white people, when we look at, um, any of these metric books or we look at things like the windrush scandal or even if we look at some of the rhetoric which is thrown around on issues of migration, um , we can still of migration, um, we can still see that the uk has a long way to go with race in a structural level as well as a level of rhetoric. And thats something which, which is just in the data , which is clear. Okay. Okay femi, sorry to interrupt you. Final thoughts because the clock is against us. Nana there are lots of lefty progressives in this country who get furious when data emerges that britain isnt as racist as they claim. They claim. Yeah, well, thats thats the point, isnt it . I mean, i get bored of these words Structural Racism and all that kind of thing that then absolves thing because that then absolves people, individuals of being racists a of palms off racists and a sort of palms off the responsibility of the racism to some sort of structure thats been place, thats been put in place, thats not enabled look, been put in place, thats not enaiknow, look, been put in place, thats not enaiknow, historically, look, been put in place, thats not enaiknow, historically, because you know, historically, because more white people have lived in this than black, as far this country than black, as far as we know, as we can as we know, as far as we can see, youre going to find see, then youre going to find that more white people will be wealthier sense because wealthier in a sense because theyre owners theyre the land owners initially. Thats it initially. So that thats how it thats that about. And thats how that comes about. And i mentioned the i know femi also mentioned the slave its got slave trade, and thats its got a history and all of a terrible history and all of that. But i think once again, lets forget black lets not forget that black people people to people did sell their people to become british become slaves and the british people were the first to people did. Were the first to try and abolish the trade try and abolish the slave trade and off slave owners so and also pay off slave owners so that they wouldnt be out of pocket and allow them to pocket to try and allow them to finish properly. Finish the trade properly. So you know, to be you know, we have to be realistic. And were realistic. And when were talking about these things and acknowledge britain acknowledge that, yes, britain played in but played a big part in it, but britain also did people britain also so did the people in and also so did in africa, and also so did britain play a big part in stopping it . Fascinating debate. My thanks fascinating debate. My thanks to nana akua, who is back on saturday on gb news and writer and anti racist campaigner femi nylander. Thank you both. Your nylander. Thank you both. Your reaction . Market gb news dot com is Kemi Badenoch right that britain is the best place in the world for somebody of colour to reside. Now coming up as trans women are banned from female hospital wards and the government commit to restoring biological fact in science, is the woke tide turning wrong . Ill be speaking to professor karol sikora, the top doctor whose cries for common sense in the Health Service saw him targeted in a cancellation campaign. But next is Suella Braverman right to blame the failure to control ilLegal Immigration on fears of being called racist. My superstar called racist. My Superstar Panel debate that next. Dont go anywhere. Anywhere. Hello again. Im alex burkill and heres your latest gb news weather bulletin. We have some pretty wet weather to come across northern parts through the next 24 hours. But further south it is a drier picture and thats because of this area of high thats to going thats because of this area of high leadhats to going thats because of this area of high lead to. s to going thats because of this area of high lead to a to going thats because of this area of high lead to a quieterg build and lead to a quieter spell as we go through the rest of the week. For southern areas further north and tightly packed isobars its isobars does show that its blustery. The blustery. And we have the weather system thats going to push tonight push in as we go through tonight and wednesday heavy and into wednesday. Some heavy rain affecting particularly west and through and parts of scotland through the or so. But the next 24 hours or so. But even some of that spreading further eastwards. We are going to increasing of to see increasing amounts of cloud parts england cloud across parts of england and the east, and wales. But in the east, where have some clear skies, where we have some clear skies, rural could just about dip rural spots could just about dip into figures we go into single figures as we go through wednesday. Then a north through wednesday. Then a north south cloudy and south split, quite cloudy and wet across many northern areas, particularly south particularly west and south western scotland. Here, western parts of scotland. Here, rainfall build up. Rainfall totals could build up. There a little bit of there could be a little bit of localised and some localised flooding and also some disruption to travel further north across scotland. Its going showery and going to be a showery day and also showers across parts also a few showers across parts of england and wales, also of england and wales, but also some bright, sunny spells and with a little lighter with winds, a little bit lighter than recently and than they have been recently and temperatures getting highs temperatures getting to highs around should feel around 1920, it should feel relatively warm as we go through thursday. Then staying largely dry across more south eastern parts of the uk. But notice some wet that will push in wet weather that will push in across northern across parts of Northern Ireland into Northern England and into wales, Northern England and also across much of scotland. Also across much of scotland. Further weather come, further wet weather to come, particularly across scotland as we thursday into we go through thursday into friday, the weekend , friday, but into the weekend, were going see temperatures its 10 00. Im its10 00. Im mark dolan and this is gb news. Now Suella Braverman was bold once again at conference saying that the fear of being called racist has hindered efforts to control immigration. But is she right . Ill be debating that with my panel next. But also tonight, well get reaction from the big stories of the day. Tomorrows papers in the company of Carol Mcgiffin, Suzanne Evans and rebecca reid. Plus, former and rebecca reid. Plus, former Home Office Minister and whittaker and made an early appearance. She came early. She has her say on Suella Bravermans speech and whether the migrant crisis would indeed get worse under labour. Get worse under labour. Elsewhere as the policing minister chris philp turns to ai minister chris philp turns to al to tackle crime , our facial to tackle crime, our facial recognition cameras are price worth paying to stop the shoplifting epidemic. Well thrash that out later in the hour. Thrash that out later in the hour. And as thrash that out later in the hour. And as trans women are finally banned from female hospital wards and the government commits to restoring biological fact in science , is biological fact in science, is the woke tide turning . Ill be speaking to the top doctor whos cries for common sense in the Health Service saw him targeted in a cancellation campaign and was heckled during the home secretarys speech. Were worthy of getting the heavies in. Well debate that when i crown tonights greatest britain and Union Jackass. Tomorrows front pages on the way to lots to get through. But first the news with polly middlehurst. Mark thank you. Good evening. Well, we start this bulletin with some breaking news and some rather bad news as well, coming to us from northern italy. Understand at least 20 italy. We understand at least 20 people their lives people have lost their lives after a carrying passengers after a bus carrying passengers back to a campsite crashed off an overpass near venice in northern italy. Thats to according the citys mayor. Local media is reporting the coach veered off the road and fell close to Railway Lines in the district of maestri, which is connected to venice by a bndge. Is connected to venice by a bridge. The cause of the bridge. The cause of the accident still unclear. And the mayor of venice, mayor Luigi Brugnaro , saying a huge tragedy brugnaro, saying a huge tragedy had taken place. That happening a short time ago at about a 7 45 uk time. The news just reaching us now in terms of the number of dead. And it is expected that the number of dead is expected to rise as now the home secretary has warned of a future hurricane of mass migration to the uk. In her speech to the conservative Party Conference in manchester today, Suella Braverman said that as well as stopping Illegal Migrants from coming to the uk, shes also going to make sure that legal migration is held at what she called reasonable levels. Ms braverman says the only way into the uk is via legal routes , not the uk is via legal routes, not legal migration act, which will come into force in the coming months. Now means that the only route to asylum in the uk is a legal route. The act means that those route. The act means that those arriving illegally will be detained and removed back to their home country if possible, or to a safe third country like rwanda. Will the Prime Minister has told gb news hes the person to deliver to change britain. Rishi sunak defended his record on illegal migration, saying for the first time ever, the number of small boats crossing the engush of small boats crossing the English Channel from france is down by a fifth. He also read iterated his plan to halve inflation in and accused the labour leader of being light on real policy. Youve got keir starmer who no one knows what he stands for, flip flops left and right. The country can see through that. Thats not leadership. What im offering is different. I know people want change. Im the person to deliver because person to deliver it because were politics were going to do politics differently. You that net differently. You saw that on net zero. That this week. Zero. Youll see that this week. Thats get a thats what you get from a conservative government well, the former Prime Minister, boris johnson, was dismissive of disaster. The uk covid 19 inquirys been hearing the bereaved families for Justice Group says there was a Leadership Void in the early days of the crisis. They went on to accuse mr johnson days of the crisis. They went on to accuse mrjohnson of days of the crisis. They went on to accuse mr johnson of cavalier pubuc to accuse mr johnson of cavalier public messaging just weeks before the lockdown, when the governments choice is between january 2020 and february 2022 will be scrutinised as part of the inquiry. A17 year old boy the inquiry. A 17 year old boy who stabbed a 15 Year Old Girl to death in south london last week will face a murder trial in the spring. The youth, who cant be identified due to his age, allegedly repeatedly stabbed euanne allegedly repeatedly stabbed elianne arade dam while she was on her way to school in croydon. The boy who knew the victim fled the scene but was arrested over an hour later after the attack. An hour later after the attack. Now the prince and princess of wales were in cardiff today to meet members of the windrush generation. Prince william and kate , greeting windrush veterans kate, greeting windrush veterans and descendants during their visit marking the start of black history month. They met with organisations at the Grange Pavilion Community Centre to hear about their contribution to the Welsh Community and to the competitive royal couple. Joined members of the youth forum for a game of table tennis as well. Game of table tennis as well. Youre with gb news across the uk on in your car on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news this is britains news channel. Britains news channel. Thanks polly. Tomorrows news tonight now in our media buzz. Lets kick off with a first look at tomorrows front pages and the metro lead with it is justice for jade. Parents who murder a partner will have rights over their children taken away in a victory for the family of jade ward , the justice of jade ward, the justice secretary has announced the 27 year old was stabbed and strangled by controlling russell marsh in 2021 as their four sons slept. He got 25 years in jail. Let yet still yet still has a say in whether the boys can go on holiday. And he sees School Reports and medical records. Some comments there. Common some comments there. Common sense in the criminal Justice System now reacting to the big stories of the day. My superstar stories of the day. My Superstar Panel stories of the day. My Superstar Panel, we have columnist and media personality Carol Mcgiffin , political commentator Suzanne Evans, and author and journalist rebecca reid. Now Suella Braverman delivered an explosive speech at the Tory Party Conference earlier today and offered a very specific reason for the failure of past governments to control our borders. Take a look. Borders. Take a look. Now, i cant pretend that politicians have done a great job of managing immigration for the last 30 years. We were too slow to recognise the scale of the problem , too unwilling to the problem, too unwilling to accept that our Legal Framework work needed to be updated. And work needed to be updated. And lets be honest , far too lets be honest, far too squeamish about being smeared as racist to properly bring order to the chaos. To the chaos. Suella braverman right that the fear of being called racist has hindered efforts to control immigration. What do you think, carol . Oh how many times have we heard all of this . Heard all of this . I know you know. I know it was a barnes storming speech today, but its i dont think anybodys convinced that nigel farage was right earlier on. We have heard it all before. And so have heard it all before. And so it just washes over you and you think, look, okay. Yeah, shes right. Yes. Maybe people are worried about being labelled a racist, but what are you going to do about it . What are you actually going to do about it . Youve got the problem of legal migration as well as illegal migration, and the country cant manage it anymore. But its just like theres so much election earring going on at that conference. Theyre just all saying the right things. And thats they know people want to hear them. But i dont think anyone believes anything they say anymore. Well, suella say anymore. Well, suella i mean, its interesting, isnt it . Because rebecca, the policing of our borders didnt used to be so political. And the idea of being racist was not connected to the idea that countries have national boundaries. I think theres always been a sense that people on the left are more open to the idea of people coming here who werent born here, people on the born here, and people on the right are, generally speaking, less think less into that, and i think thats existed. But thats always existed. But i definitely think all of politics has nastier. I think brexit has got nastier. I think brexit was point. It was a real turning point. It became it became became more partisan, it became more if you disagree with me, you and both you were a bad person and both sides very bad that. But sides are very bad for that. But what suella do is that what suella seems to do is that the well she does her job the less well she does her job and the she achieves and the less she achieves anything, more turns anything, the more she turns up the and so the dial on the rhetoric. And so she bigger, heavier. I she just says bigger, heavier. I would say nastier, though other people things people would disagree. Things and achieves nothing. So and still achieves nothing. So she everybody she is now making everybody cross. If you were big cross. Because if you were a big border person, not doing border person, shes not doing her job. And if you like me, find things like calling people hurricanes youre hurricanes distasteful, youre also cross. So shes not making anybody happy yet somehow anybody happy and yet somehow seems continually seems to continually hold on to her job. The problem with the what is the problem with the language of hurricane . Because shes metaphor to shes using a metaphor to suggest its net migration suggest that its net migration legally of 600,000. It could be a more than that in years to come. It could be. But this is a bit like saying labour could have tax. Its like have a meat tax. Its like saying could job. Saying i could get a job. Surely you dont challenge saying i could get a job. Idea. Y you dont challenge saying i could get a job. Idea. Y y01theret challenge saying i could get a job. Idea. Y y01there are allenge saying i could get a job. Idea. Y y01there are to enge saying i could get a job. Idea. Y y01there are to going the idea that there are to going be more people seeking asylum around the years ahead. But the numbers are a complete hypothetical. Absolutely theyre not because theyve been exponentially rising last years. Rising for the last ten years. Yeah, we dont know how yeah, but we dont know how to use the word hurricane in is to use the word hurricane in is to invoke deliberately or use language. Happening or language. Its not happening or do regret the language . Do you just regret the language . That its i think i think that its i think its a deliberately provocative statement. I think she is deliberately that deliberately trying to tear that line where shes not saying rivers and rivers because those rivers and the the whole. The whole the whole. Enoch could she just say lots of people or something . I mean, whats word . Of people or something . I mean, what large word . Of people or something . I mean, what large numberrd . People , a large number of people, even too many, would be less. Hurricane deliberately so as hurricane is deliberately so as a writer, im saying that every single word in that speech has been thought and been thought about. And hurricane deliberately hurricane is a deliberately nasty, word to use. Nasty, frightening word to use. Absolutely typical. This is absolutely typical. This is absolutely typical. Talk about the language lets talk about the language and ignore issue. And ignore the issue. Issue is that in two the issue is that in two years, we will have had 1 Million People come here legally. That is a city the size of which government doesnt matter which government doesnt matter which government. Its the same under all of the government, is it . Not. Its not. Its not. Not about that. Its not about that. Its not about that. About the labour having its about the labour having beenin its about the labour having been in power 13 years. Been in power for 13 years. Honestly tell me that do you honestly tell me that if keir starmer was Prime Minister, be minister, these numbers would be lower . That . Could lower . Would you say that . Could you say that with a straight face . Pathetic its complete. It . Yes. Why dont you answer it . Yes. I think they might well be because plenty because there are plenty of labour are big labour voters who are very big on but the idea that labour voters who are very big on can but the idea that labour voters who are very big on can sit but the idea that labour voters who are very big on can sit there 1e idea that labour voters who are very big on can sit there beinga that labour voters who are very big on can sit there being like, you can sit there being like, were going to blame somebody else, right. Else, youre quite right. You much. I mean else, youre quite right. Say you much. I mean else, youre quite right. Say its you much. I mean else, youre quite right. Say its hypotheticalch. I mean else, youre quite right. Say its hypothetical does nean to say its hypothetical does not question not not mean this question does not need answer. Dont think it need an answer. I dont think it would any better under would be any better under keir starmer, said to a million starmer, as i said to a Million People the of people city the size of birmingham, a city, birmingham, two years or a city, the size manchester every the size of manchester every yean the size of manchester every year, ever governments year, which ever governments in power, partys power, whichever partys in power, whichever partys in power is in sustainable , it power that is in sustainable, it puts on the puts enormous pressure on the country and its got to stop. Carol, i have a lot of sympathy with youre saying. Weve with what youre saying. Weve all of rhetoric. All heard a lot of rhetoric. Weve heard lot of talk. Weve all heard a lot of talk. Where the action youre where is the action and youre right, had a lot of right, so far weve had a lot of strong words. Weve lot of strong words. Weve had a lot of strong words. Weve had a lot of strong words. Weve had a lot of strong words from conservatives. I agree with you, too, rebecca, over the 2010, has over the since 2010, nothing has happened. Changed. Over the since 2010, nothing has hap|situation changed. Over the since 2010, nothing has hap|situation has changed. Over the since 2010, nothing has hap|situation has just changed. Over the since 2010, nothing has hap|situation has just got anged. Worse. What about that language . Hurricane weve heard the home secretary about an invasion previously. I dont think thats inappropriate. I think it is. If you talking a city the you are talking about a city the size manchester coming here size of manchester coming here every year. Addition to other every year. In addition to other people who are already leaving the net the country, this is net migration about. Migration were talking about. Remember, pretty remember, that is pretty frightening. Where are those people going to live . Where are their children to going go to school . How going to school . How are they going to get gp appointments . How are they hospital they going to get hospital appointments . Up to they going to get hospital ap| neck nents . Up to they going to get hospital ap|neck with i . Up to they going to get hospital ap|neck with the up to they going to get hospital ap|neck with the people up to they going to get hospital ap|neck with the people thatw to its neck with the people that a Million People in two years. Frightening . Rebecca is that frightening . Rebecca it terrifies me. It doesnt terrify me personally because i havent felt any particular difficulty with. I live a very with it. I live in a very diverse area and very diverse area and i feel very comfortable with it. I understand it does terrify understand why it does terrify people, but i think the real question is how you reduce question is how do you reduce that if feel it that number if you feel it should reduced in sensible should be reduced in sensible ways, means people should be reduced in sensible waysare means people should be reduced in sensible waysare genuinely; people should be reduced in sensible waysare genuinely in people should be reduced in sensible waysare genuinely in dangeryle should be reduced in sensible waysare genuinely in danger in who are genuinely in danger in other countries still come other countries still can come here and the idea here for safety. And the idea that like, that we should somehow be like, but come on, all the but rebecca, come on, all the people in those boats , the people in those boats, the majority of them, and you know this are not seeking safety. Theyve come from france, for crying out. Yeah, well, they have. Well they have is with that. Thats what frightens me. It actually when it terrifies me actually when you boatloads you see these boatloads of people lampedusa people going into lampedusa and into the into and all into the into the uk and all over europe, nobody knows who they are. They do not carry identity papers. Theyre told to throw them away. You cant check who they are. You dont know where theyre from, what will they be doing . They could be a terrible danger to the people. I dont think anybody thinks Suella Braverman and Suella Braverman is raising the alarm. Perhaps thats why shes braverman is raising the alarm. Pesuch; thats why shes braverman is raising the alarm. Pesuch incendiary shes braverman is raising the alarm. Pesuch incendiary language. Using such incendiary language. How long has she been in this job . She hasnt done anything about how long has she been about it. How long has she been in this job . If you are really stop they stop the boats tomorrow, if they wanted to. Youre really, really if youre really, really frightened is frightened about it and this is your fix it. Your job, then fix it. But dont just stand there deliberately up culture deliberately stirring up culture wars word wars and using the word woke 15 times. Fix fix it. Times. Fix it. Fix it. Option is to take britain one option is to take britain out of the European Convention on human rights. Still wont anything i if that were to happen, there would uproar from left would be uproar from the left and wont it. And they wont do it. They wont do the reason they wont do it is because they echr as is because they love the echr as a hook to hang all problems. A hook to hang all the problems. Oh, echr. Its oh, its just the echr. Its just the echr. There are plenty of they out of other reasons they come out of other reasons they come out of it. They will. They will. Thought it was going if they thought it was going to work, would it keir to work, they would do it keir starmer would be condemned starmer they would be condemned by lot of by me because there are a lot of very things in there very sensible things in there and condemned of it. And theyll be condemned of it. Rebecca theyll be condemned for something rebecca theyll be condemned for said something rebecca theyll be condemned for said sbraverman is youve said Suella Braverman is not you cant not doing. It wont. You cant have ways. Have it both ways. In action. That not result in action. That is not only theyre not not the only reason theyre not doing there is no doing anything. There is no reason they couldnt have a safe, processing place in safe, humane processing place in the around echr. The uk around the echr. Phrase. No they do hate this phrase. No safe routes there are then safe legal routes there are then they them back. They they cant send them back. Who enters then anyone who enters this country leave. Country never has to leave. And its the with i its the same with europe. I think we can. We can all be immigrants. Okay if you get here, thats it. Here, thats it. All agree that the can we all agree that the boats crisis, the small boats crisis is a humanitarian economic and National Security disaster for the country . Can we all agree on that . I think we all i would certainly say that the people trafficking aspect of it is unforgivable and not so. Therefore, im taking part in if them we can. But then what else do you do . Just leave drowning in just leave people drowning in the sea . If we can establish the idea that boats need to be that the boats need to be stopped, which even keir starmer is at net is saying, lets look at net migration think that migration because i think that the boat crossings are the illegal boat crossings are something of a distraction. Its a bigger a big problem. But the bigger issue legal net migration issue is the legal net migration of last as you said, of 600 k last year, as you said, a million in in two years. What is the correct legal is the correct level of legal migration in this country . One at a time. What do you think, cameron . Can me can you give can you give me can you give me a number . Because ive said last night me a number . My cause ive said last night me a number . My manifesto said last night me a number . My manifesto ford last night me a number . My manifesto for the;t night me a number . My manifesto for the country, in my manifesto for the country, 200,000 think thats much. I personally theres one net zero policy. I support it would be a net zero migration policy for the next five years. Wouldnt that cripple the economy . It would be economy . No, because it would be net. So youd still have people leaving. Would a sort of leaving. It would be a sort of one one out policy. And id one in, one out policy. And id also say that coming here also say that anyone coming here should own private should have their own private health should health insurance. They should not have any benefits until theyve at least theyve been here for at least five years and paying into the system. And we shouldnt take any unskilled migrants at all because are people in because there are people in this country do that work. Country that could do that work. I appreciate i absolutely appreciate theres got immigration. Got to be some immigration. Weve skilled weve got to have some skilled migration. Never be against migration. Id never be against that. But way in which that. But the way in which unskilled coming in, unskilled people are coming in, basically taking jobs from british wrong. British people is wrong. Rebecca, briefly, a rebecca, briefly, whats a good the right good number for you . The right number that come into this country legally every year . I would be pulling a number out of the pick any number. The air to pick any number. I understand why i think i can understand why people idea of people grasp on to the idea of 600,000 too many. I honestly do not know. Have no idea what not know. I have no idea what the number is. I would the correct number is. I would say thing as a say the important thing as a parent that wants to their parent that wants to get their child into the local school, i can my somebody that wants can get my somebody that wants to drive in roads are to drive in roads that are not traffic driving traffic jam. Id like a driving licence and i really would licence first and i really would like driving like a driving licence gp appointments all the gp gps appointments all the rest of it. The real implications, the real world implications, none things. Maybe im none of those things. Maybe im biased experience of biased and not experience any of these not these things, but im not a middle class privileged woman who using state who doesnt have using state healthcare state schools and healthcare and state schools and all and all state provision. All and all state provision. So youre if your child, so if youre if your child, if your child i want to make want make personal any want to make a personal as any of our right. But if a of our kids. Right. But if a relative yours travel relative of yours has to travel ten, to go to school ten, 15 miles to go to School Every Day because local ten, 15 miles to go to school every d. Are ecause local ten, 15 miles to go to school every d. Are oversubscribed,l schools are oversubscribed, doesnt but clearly doesnt happen. But clearly thats happen. Thats going to happen. The three with the three schools with these numbers thats numbers surely thats inevitable. But okay, so two things. Of wheres things. First of all, wheres everyone going wheres everyone going to go . Wheres the theory theory, the in theory in theory, if you have people, have more have more people, you have more infrastructure. I was infrastructure. What i was trying that happen . The infrastructure. What i was trying numbers . That happen . The infrastructure. What i was trying numbers . Because en . The infrastructure. What i was trying numbers . Because because magic numbers . Because because if you bring the right blend of people over, already people over, then you already have mix. The issue here people over, then you already hethat mix. The issue here people over, then you already hethat you mix. The issue here people over, then you already hethat you need. The issue here people over, then you already hethat you need to he issue here people over, then you already hethat you need to bringue here people over, then you already hethat you need to bring theiere is that you need to bring the right you need doing the right people. You need doing the right people. You need doing the right carol im going to right things. Carol im going to get the team. Get in trouble with the team. Against the clock, but we are against the clock, but what good number you . What is a good number for you . Legal per year . Legal net migration per year . With cameron, well, im with david cameron, although achieved that although he never achieved that either, down to the tens of thousands. Going thousands. But if they are going to improve to keep the numbers up, improve the infrastructure you the infrastructure before you do anything because everybody anything else, because everybody suffers, you think . Suffers, what do you think . Its all about your opinions. So let me know what you think. The level legal net the correct level of legal net migration into country is. Migration into the country is. Market gbnews. Com ill read out the numbers shortly, but coming up, as the policing minister chris turns to ai up, as the policing minister chris turns to al to chris philp turns to al to tackle crime, our facial recognition prize recognition cameras a prize worth stop the worth paying to stop the shoplifting epidemic. My panel will that out later will thrash that out later tonight. And i think you can see there on fire this evening. Next up, as trans women are banned from female hospital wards and the to the government commits to restoring biological fact in science, the woke tide science, is the woke tide turning . Ill be speaking to professor karol sikora , the top professor karol sikora, the top doctor whose cries for common sense in the Health Service saw him targeted in a cancellation campaign. You wont believe his story. Thats weekdays from three on gb news choose. Weekdays from three on gb news choose. Well what is the correct choose. Well what is the correct number of legal net migration into the country from your point of view . Mark gbnews. Com. How about this the number for net migration should be zero, says mark. A 1 in 1 migration should be zero, says mark. A1 in 1 out policy is required and those allowed in must have a trade. A couple of must have a trade. A couple of other emails before we crack on, alan says mark ban all immigration for five years, possibly ten until the country has stabilised. How about this from malcolm mark gbnews. Com malcolm says hi mark 46 countries in the echr the European Convention on human rights, 149 countries independent of it. Mark there suggesting that hed like to be on that latter list. Jackie says hi mark. The problem is the people who live in nice areas and dont feel there is a problem are fine with mass immigration. Try and think of the Bigger Picture , says jackie. The Bigger Picture, says jackie. Meanwhile margaret, yes, we have a lot of rhetoric, but its the law stopping the government from carrying out their plans , says carrying out their plans, says margaret. Carrying out their plans, says margaret. Now, carrying out their plans, says margaret. Now, matthew, do margaret. Now, matthew, do i have time for a couple more emails . Lets have a look. Okay. First of all, peter has said , first of all, peter has said, uh, mark, industry presses for open doors because doors this depresses wages. Industry has no depresses wages. Industry has no interest in the cost of excessive low skill economic immigration. But floods of car washers is the result. Look, this show is all about opinions. Let me know what your view is. Of course, theres plenty of research that suggests that there is a direct link between immigrate creation into the country and economic growth. And its certainly true that businesses over the years have benefited from the cheap labour and sometimes the skills and expertise that migrants bring to the country. So it is all about the country. So it is all about opinions. Let me know what you think. Keep those views coming. Think. Keep those views coming. Okay. Shall we crack on speaking at the Tory Party Conference today, secretary steve today, Health Secretary Steve Barclay ban on trans barclay announced a ban on trans patients in female hospital wards. But esteemed former nhs wards. But esteemed former nhs consultant professor karol sikora called for exactly that long before barclay came to his senses and sikoras outspoken criticism of the nhs has made him a few enemies. Even this him a few enemies. Even this week, an nhs supplier threatened to pull their sponsorship of a spectator magazine event unless sakura was removed from the panel sakura was removed from the panel. But in a brave stand against cancel culture, the spectator refused to give in and the event went ahead without a sponson the event went ahead without a sponsor. Well, im delighted to say that professor karol sikora joins me now. And carol, great to see you again. Youll youll never be cancelled on my watch. Never be cancelled on my watch. They were very generous. They were very generous. Mark. No, it was a bit of a shock to see that people really thought about seven years ago. I said on newsnight the nhs was the last bastion of communism and i was never forgiven for that. Forgiven for that. And the people that dont forgive you are not the doctors , the professionals, the health care people. Its the management. Care people. Its the management. They its the management. They dont like criticism. And my dont like criticism. And my point at the conservative conference in the talk today was that the first thing to improve was about cancer services, how we can improve britains cancer service. The first thing you have to do is admit theres a problem. And thats what nhs england, the management will never do. They come out with very good crafted pr to imply there is no real problem. Were there is no real problem. Were putting money on it and its all going to be solved very quickly. I think that is the issue. If you dont admit theres a problem, you cant fonnard problem, you cant move fonnard and know there is a backlog and you know there is a backlog for cancer. We all know it. Theres trouble getting to theres a trouble getting to see your the troubles getting your gp. The troubles getting scans x rays. So lets admit scans and x rays. So lets admit it and see what we can do about it. We did it so well for covid mark. I mean, we did it really with the vaccination programme, you know, on my, my mobile phone here. Ive got all the batch numbers of my vaccines that i had. What else . Where else are had. What else . Where else are the nhs . Can you get any the nhs . Can you get any information on your phone . Information on your phone . Almost well, that was almost nowhere. Well, that was the trial ive looking the trial ive been looking looking into your attempted cancellation by this nhs suppuen and carol, i understand that your great crime was to be critical of lockdowns. And what critical of lockdowns. And what is your appraisal of how lockdowns have impacted Public Health in this country . Were health in this country . Were they worth it . They worth it . Its huge impact on everything. Heart disease , everything. Heart disease, cancen everything. Heart disease, cancer, stroke. I mean, the one i know most about, obviously, is cancer because im an oncologist and when you look at it, the number of people that will die from cancer over the next three years because of spread of the cancer beyond the primary organ is going to be massive. Much greater than covid, for example, where the average age was 83. So i really think we have to take a change in policy. I really think we have to take a change in policy. And what change in policy. And what i dont like is the inquiry doesnt seem to be investigating this. Its trying to almost cover up what went wrong. So ive been branded as a heretic about the lockdown policy. But for cancer i was certainly right. And i suspect my cardiology friends heart specialist friend tells me for cardiology, its the same. The number of deaths from heart attacks will be much greater over the last few years. And for the next few years. Then it would have been without lockdown i well, look, i think youve been very courageous. Youve also pointed out the realities of biological sex without being in any way transphobic. Carol the government are now going to ban trans women in female hospital wards and will protect basic biological principles , as basic biological principles, as in science, about time. In science, about time. Yeah, about time. I think theres no doubt that. I think Steve Barclay made the announcement yesterday. Theres no doubt that weve got to be logical about it. You know , the logical about it. You know, the ultimate , of course, is not to ultimate, of course, is not to have mixed wards, so you just have mixed wards, so you just have single rooms , as you do in have single rooms, as you do in private hospitals , and the nhs private hospitals, and the nhs is gradually getting there. It will take another decade probably to get there completely. You know, the reason for having these open plan wards when i was a medical student where the nurses all sit around , theyre called nightingale wards, everybodys in rows is because the nurses could see the patient from the end of the ward. Now we have all sorts of technology, electronic wearables and gizmos. You know , every and gizmos. You know, every orifice can have a gizmo in it. You can measure anything in real time and it can be displayed on a computer at the end of the war. You dont need to see the patients quite as you used to. And may i congratulate you for your timely use of the word orifice. Can carol. Well catch up soon. To great see you in such fine fettle. The brilliant oncologist, professor carol sikora, brilliant stuff. Well, sikora, brilliant stuff. Well, look, folks, lots more to get through. But can i just give you a statement from professor Phil Banfield , Council Chair of the banfield, Council Chair of the british medical association, who said all patients deserve dignity and access to health care, which includes having their identity respected. Its beyond belief that on day two of the biggest industrial action, the biggest industrial action, the nhs has ever seen, the Health Secretary has chosen to make a call that would require trusts follow guidance , which trusts to follow guidance, which is in breach of the equality act. This will amount to nothing except more hurt and harm to trans patients. Whats your trans patients. Whats your view . Mark gibb news. Com no trans women. That is a trans women. That is a biological male identifying as female in womens wards. Let me know your thoughts. But coming know your thoughts. But coming up in uncancelled is Suella Braverman right that the migrant crisis would be worse under labour . Former Home Office Labour . Former Home Office Minister Ann Widdecombe has her say on suella speech later on. But next in the media buzz, as the policing minister chris philp turns to ai the policing minister chris philp turns to al to tackle crime. Are facial recognition cameras a price worth paying to stop the shoplifting epidemic . My panel will thrash that out youre listening to gb news radio. Well lets return now to radio. Well lets return now to tomorrows news tonight in our media buzz, more front pages have arrived. Have arrived. The eye newspaper braverman hard line job application to become tory leader, home secretary claims that a hurricane of migrants is coming to britain amid outcry from labour and some in her own party. She argues a privileged woke minority with luxury beliefs is damaging britain. The beliefs is damaging britain. The daily mail what a wig lifter this was the first properly spellbinding, dramatic , assured spellbinding, dramatic, assured speech seen at a conference for years. That is a diary sketch by Quentin Letts at the mail predicts all voices will hate it , but even they must admit that sylvester, as he calls her suella, was one heck of a blow. What a wig lifter of a speech. If Michael Fabricant was there , if Michael Fabricant was there, his top knot must have been blown all the way to bolton. I got to say , Quentin Letts knows got to say, Quentin Letts knows how to write. So there you go. Giving his plaudits to suella speech, ill be debating speech, which ill be debating shortly with the fearless Ann Widdecombe , the daily mirror. Widdecombe, the daily mirror. Another day of excuses is 13 unlucky for us today the pm will blame our countrys problems on the political system. But remind us, rishi, how many years have the tories had to fix britain . The tories had to fix britain . Daily telegraph last but not least, sunak ill change the status quo. Rishi sunak will tomorrow vow to end 30 years of the status quo in politics as he tries to position himself as the change candidate for the next general election. In his first general election. In his first speech to the Tory Party Conference as leader, mr sunak will seek paint keir starmer will seek to paint keir starmer as the continuity choice for voters. The pm is set to announce that the second leg of hs2 from birmingham to manchester will be scrapped, ending weeks of speculation and scaling back flagship tory scaling back a flagship tory building project. Johnsons covid decisions were bipolar , covid decisions were bipolar, reveals sir patrick vallance. Reveals sir patrick vallance. Diary is the other story. And diary is the other story. And what about this from allison pearson, good friend of the show. Regular pundits at im a tory and i want them to lose the next election. Wow well, look, she knows how to drop a few truth bombs. I believe shes back on monday. Now lets get reaction to the big stories of the day. Columnist and media personality Carol Mcgiffin , a personality Carol Mcgiffin, a very old and good friend of mine. Me you. Mine. Let me tell you. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. You forget , you oh, you dont forget, you were 12 when i first met you. Walk straight into that one, mark. I bounced you on my knee. I bounced you on my knee. Lets not go into the details. In the current climate , get both in the current climate, get both of us in trouble and what about political commentator Suzanne Evans, who i didnt know when she was a little girl, but what i wish i had, she was a little girl, but what iwish i had, how she was a little girl, but what i wish i had, how wrong did that sound . Author journalist, sound . An author and journalist, rebecca reads who still a no. Okay. All right. Now, with the shoplifting, suddenly got shoplifting, weve suddenly got to go serious, folks, because were they shoplifting . Epidemic to go serious, folks, because were they thewplifting . Epidemic to go serious, folks, because were theythe nation. . Epidemic to go serious, folks, because were theythe nation. Britain mic to go serious, folks, because were theythe nation. Britain has sweeping the nation. Britain has been sliding slowly into a lawless state. But in what he has hailed as a game changer, policing minister chris philp announced yesterday that officers will check every thief caught on cctv against all official database sources, including passport and immigration records. The policy immigration records. The policy will be part of the polices new zero tolerance approach, which will see them investigate every crime where there is reasonable line of inquiry. So what do we think about this . Is this a good way, rebecca, to tackle crime or onnellian overreach . I hate surveillance. It makes me feel really uncomfortable. I think its really a slippery slope to people being overly surveilled. And what always worries me is that this kind of thing often seems like it could lead to id cards, which is my worst fear. I really , really, really dont really, really, really dont like it. Were very libertarian person. Low intervention person. I like low intervention from. I also would from my government. I also would point majority of point out that the majority of people who proper, proper point out that the majority of peoplecrime, proper, proper point out that the majority of peoplecrime, crime er, proper point out that the majority of peoplecrime, crime lordsoper point out that the majority of peoplecrime, crime lords dont crime, crime, crime lords dont have passports. Thats not its have passports. Thats not its not not like going on not people are not like going on houday not people are not like going on holiday once a year to the dordogne and being fully registered who are registered people who are dangerous systems dangerous avoid systems like this for a reason. Okay. What do you think about this, suzanne . Is the answer. Yeah. Im not so sure about this. Im not so sure about this. Im actually pretty anti surveillance and big brother and all that of brother and all that sort of stuff as well. But were talking about here. Were about criminals here. Were talking were talking about burglary. Were talking about burglary. Were talking shoplifting talking about theft, shoplifting is a crime thats actually, i think, terribly underrated. Is a crime thats actually, i thincosting terribly underrated. Is a crime thats actually, i thincosting retailersmderrated. Is a crime thats actually, i thincosting retailers £1ierrated. Its costing retailers £1 billion a year plus. Theyre having to spend another 700 million on security issues. Its million on security issues. Its gone off the scale weve had people like the co op talking about no go areas, crime in their shops is so bad. Tesco and sainsburys staff having to wear body cams to get evidence, Video Surveillance evidence. John lewis inviting the police to come into their cafes for a free coffee in the hope that the presence deter shoplifters. Presence will deter shoplifters. Weve got to do something about this and actually it means this and actually if it means protecting those retail staff, im of for this. And i im kind of all for this. And i also weve got catch also think weve got to catch these criminals. Weve got to deal with them. Think deal with them. And i think also we there are people we know that there are people who are avoiding immigration who are here illegally. Theyre also committing crimes as well. And i think this kind of initiative will root those out as will help root those out as well. Carol, the idea is well. So, carol, the idea is that when you go into tesco, youre on the Self Checkout and its got an image of your face. And then if you steal something , then the authorities something, then the authorities can link that to your passport, image and arrest you. Whats not to like . To like . Whats not to like . Whats not to like . Whats not to like . By the way, for you, its waitrose, i should add. Oh, no, no. I never go in waitrose, i never go in tesco, i never go in those shops and i will not use the Self Checkout even will not use the Self Checkout ever, ever, ever. I will stand there wait for the there for hours and wait for the one man to checkout because i just absolutely hate them. So where do you go for your groceries then . Like the corner shop or something . Well, im not advertising, am i . Yeah. Yeah all got facial but theyve all got facial recognition havent they. Now theyve automated. Theyve all got the automated. No they havent. Actually they have no, no actually they have not. No. But what i was going to say was this is i think this is a classic case of problem reaction, solution , action. Now, reaction, solution, action. Now, the government started this problem when it when it basically said, look, you know, if under £200 that you nick if its under £200 that you nick it youre of good to go it and youre kind of good to go so they stopped prosecute people for and it is created for it and it is created a horrible epidemic of crime in supermarkets. My sister works in supermarkets. My sister works in a supermarket and shell tell you how bad it is. Its serious and you can have security on the door. And you can have security on the door. They cant do anything door. They cant do anything about it. They dont do anything about it. They dont do anything about it. They dont do anything about it. Everyone knows you cant do anything about it because they wont get prosecuted suited. So, yes, those need to be those people need to be prosecuted. The way that prosecuted. But the way that theyve this problem theyve reacted to this problem that created is to say, that they created is to say, okay, well, lets use a ai facial recognition , which is facial recognition, which is which is rebecca says, and i cant believe im agreeing with you so much tonight that it happens. Im sorry. Im sorry. Im sorry. This is this is the path to digital id this is what they want to have everywhere. Facial want to have everywhere. Facial recognition and facial recognition, cameras everywhere. Thats what the whole 5g thing is about because they need it for all of that. And that will all be linked to digital id, which is terrifying. There are which is terrifying. There are loads of other things being unked loads of other things being linked to that as well, like the digital currency. So, you know, people need to rebel against it. You think folks . Are what do you think folks . Are you to give up of you willing to give up some of your Civil Liberties order your Civil Liberties in order for crime to tackled . Do you for crime to be tackled . Do you like of your face being like the idea of your face being scanned when youre buying a shepherds sainsburys shepherds pie from sainsburys or or the co op . Let or morrisons or the co op . Let me know. Market gbnews. Com coming up was heckling during the home secretarys speech worthy of getting the heavies in . That when i in . Well debate that when i crown greatest crown tonights greatest britain and jackass. But next in and Union Jackass. But next in uncanceled braverman uncanceled is Suella Braverman right that the migrant crisis would be worse under labour . Would be worse under labour . Former Home Office Minister Ann Widdecombe has her say on suella speech. And let me tell you, there will be fireworks and widdecombe is n ext next okay, folks, lots to get through. I shall respond to some of your excellent emails very shortly , but its time now for shortly, but its time now for uncanceled. And this evening, uncanceled. And this evening, former conservative minister, bestselling author and Television Personality Ann Widdecombe. Now, ann suella widdecombe. Now, ann Suella Braverman warned about the dangers of a Labour Government opening our borders to more migrants. Today at the conference. Take a listen. Conference. Take a listen. The wind of change bridge that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared had to the hurricane that is coming. We are the party to confront the challenge of global migration in the years ahead. Migration in the years ahead. Not a labour party that will open the borders and then cry racism to anyone who objects. Racism to anyone who objects. Well, powerful words. But well, powerful words. But ann, you told me on sunday that Suella Braverman is just that its talk, talk, talk. Did you hear anything convincing today . Did you hear anything of substance . No no. Substance . No no. And i think that is my principal objection. I think she is quite right that there is an awful lot more immigration to come. Theres enormous movements come. Theres enormous movements across the world. I think shes right on that score. But my right on that score. But my problem with suella is that she can talk and she can analyse, but she doesnt actually do anything. So my question to suella is very simple what are you going to do . Not say do do you going to do . Not say do do you think that the Prime Minister will announce that hes willing to exit the echr in his keynote speech tomorrow . Is that the rabbit in the hat and is it going to come out of that hat . That hat . Well, he might well be tempted to announce it, butjust tempted to announce it, but just think whats happened with the rwanda mess, you know , that was rwanda mess, you know, that was announced and were still waiting. And the problem with coming out of echr is its highly complex. There are lots of interlocking treaties. It wont interlocking treaties. It wont be easy and i do not, but its possible , but not easy. I dont possible, but not easy. I dont believe on showing so far that this government, believe on showing so far that this government , let believe on showing so far that this government, let alone the labour party , have got any any labour party, have got any any grasp of it at all. We well, an in my big opinion on sunday i said that the tories are terrible , but labour are worse. Terrible, but labour are worse. Yes. Do you think thats true for these issues around illegal and legal migration . And legal migration . Yes, i do. I think that is quite true. And with regard to many other issues as well , i many other issues as well, i mean, not just immigration, but mean, notjust immigration, but labouris mean, notjust immigration, but labour is a much worse option. We all know that at least those of us who study these things know it. But but that doesnt mean that the tory party is delivering. It isnt. And they mustnt be let off the hook. And theres Something Else as well. They seem to be adopting , doing they seem to be adopting, doing piecemeal, but adopting policies advocated by reform uk. Now when advocated by reform uk. Now when a major party starts copying a minor party, then you know that that major party is running out of steam. And it really is copying us. It copied us over at ulez. It copying us. It copied us over at ulez. It copied us copying us. It copied us over at ulez. It copied us over many ulez. It copied us over many things and im sure that on saturday when the reform conference takes place, im sure that all that will be pointed out indeed. Now, ann, what is the key difference between lets say, the conservatives and labours policy on stopping the boats and reform uk . What what was so reform uk . What what was so compelling about richard tice plan that that encouraged you to join the party . A very straightfonnard outwardly that he has modelled it on a plan that was already successful elsewhere, i. E. Australia, now australia has got a vast coastline, but its still manages to turn back the boats. Manages to turn back the boats. Why cant we . Why are we so afraid of turning back the boats . Because that is the key to all of this. There are two keys. One is deterrent and ive said is the deterrent and ive said this before, you know, routinely detain everybody and secure accommodation. Thats a deterrent. The other key is deterrent. But the other key is simply not to let them get here in the first place. What is the difference, though, between the between australia and the United Kingdom . Do we not face more legal and logistical barriers the logistical barriers than the australia owns . Well only because we are too feeble to take the necessary steps. Yes. I mean we face echr for a start. I yes. I mean we face echr for a start. I mean, you know , just a start. I mean, you know, just as a legal barrier, thats an obvious one. And look what theyve done to us over rwanda. So so we do face legal barriers logistically. Um, we havent logistically. Um, we havent tried so we dont really know. We havent tried. We havent tried. But an arent you up a gumtree with this idea that we can somehow unilaterally stop the boats in the way that the australians did . After all, we would face the mother of all lawsuits , wouldnt we . Probably lawsuits, wouldnt we . Probably trade sanctions and much beyond i oh, im sure we would face the mother of all lawsuits. I the mother of all lawsuits. I dont know that we would face trade sanctions because actually we wouldnt be doing anything that was unlawful. So i dont that was unlawful. So i dont think that but i do think that there would be an awful lot of legal action, which is why i say that, saying were coming out of echr is grand. Its fine, and itll get applause, you know, standing ovation probably from the party, but it aint going to happen. Is richard tice plan but but is richard tice plan a real world plan . I mean , isnt a real world plan . I mean, isnt this just Wishful Thinking that somehow the boats will be turned away . People arrested away . People will be arrested and will stop . And it will all stop . No, no, its certainly not Wishful Thinking, which is why weve come up with the plan. If weve come up with the plan. If it was just Wishful Thinking, it would be a very waffly plan. But its not. Weve set out exactly what we want to do. And we are what we want to do. And we are basing it. Yes. On the success that theyve had in australia. And theres nothing wrong. And what about what about sorry to interrupt you and what about keir starmer . I mean, he has argued that hes going to smash those criminal gangs. That of course , traffic people around of course, traffic people around the world and hes also going to go into partnership with the eu to tackle the problem. His argument is it is it is europe wide. So hes going to negotiate a better deal. A better deal. Well, yeah, like we did with france, presumably , you know, france, presumably, you know, when we paid them an awful lot of money to stop people leaving their coastline. And what did they do . Ushered them over. So they do . Ushered them over. So i dont put any store over the store at all on in cooperation with the with any of the eu. I just dont weve got to solve our own problems. Weve just got to do that. And we dont do it. We sit back and we wait for somebody else to do it and nobody else. Im so grateful that youve joined us tonight. Its always the of the show when the highlight of the show when youre understand that youre on, and i understand that youre on, and i understand that youre a cold. So thank youre nursing a cold. So thank youre nursing a cold. So thank you much for bearing with us you so much for bearing with us and tonights and appearing on tonights program. Wanted have and appearing on tonights proemergency wanted have and appearing on tonights proemergency cobra ed have and appearing on tonights proemergency cobra meeting ve and appearing on tonights proemergency cobra meeting with and appearing on tonights proebecausey cobra meeting with and appearing on tonights proebecause itcobra meeting with and appearing on tonights proebecause it hasia meeting with you because it has been such a big day for the home secretary and you are a former Home Office Minister. Of minister. And quick preview of rishi sunaks speech tomorrow. Do you think that it. Well, how important is the speech and is there anything that he might say that could really change the game for him setting aside stopping the boats , is it . Stopping the boats, is it . It is a crucial speech which if anything goes wrong with that speech tomorrow, thats the next election. Pretty well written off. You can never be 100 certain, but pretty well. So certain, but pretty well. So this speech is crucial and he will be an lot of will be under an awful lot of stress as he owns it and delivers it. But is there a rabbit in the hat . Well, there is echr, but as i say, i dont believe its going to happen. If its Something Like the cancellation of hs2, well , we cancellation of hs2, well, we all know there are divided opinions on that. So coming up with some thing that is going to have everybody in the Conference Hall going, yay, yay, yay is going be quite a challenge going to be quite a challenge for him. And sadly , and ive for him. And sadly, and ive observed this many times , the observed this many times, the old traditions of loyalty no longer apply. And if he starts longer apply. And if he starts to make a mess of it, they wont be gentle and an the cancellation of the northern leg of hs2 , yes or no . Of hs2, yes or no . For you, is it the right move to cancel it . I dont believe it is. Ive long believed that we should be competitive with europe , which competitive with europe, which have high speed links. All over, and we shouldnt get into a situation where if you arrive in london or maybe even birmingham , everything just stops. So i do , everything just stops. So i do believe that its a worthwhile and worthwhile investment, but mishandled my mishandled the understatement of the century. I mean, it is unbelievable that not just one minister, but successive ministers and successive ministers and successive governments have just made an almighty hash of it and speedy recovery and i look fonnard to seeing you on sunday for mark dolan tonight. Its time now to reveal todays greatest britain and Union Jackass. And lets start Union Jackass. And lets start with Carol Mcgiffin, who is your your hero today . Your hero today . My greatest britain today is a young man called kieran shapps man. Now, i dont know if you heard about the Sycamore Tree that was ruthless. He destroyed that was ruthless. He destroyed on Hadrians Wall at the weekend. He took his tools and a little tree that he bought in a Garden Centre went down to that gap and replanted a new tree for everyone to cheer them up because it was such a loved tree. Everyone loved it. And its heartbreaking to see it felled like that. So i hope they find the culprits. Thats a brilliant nomination. Suzanne, how about you . Your greatest britain. You . Your greatest britain. So mines home secretary, Suella Braverman, not just because of what she said about immigration her speech, immigration today in her speech, but she about but because what she said about gender ideology and about woke luxury beliefs and about stopping just stop oil. I hope she does it. There you go. Well, of course , thats thats to be discovered. Ed, how about you, rebecca, your your greatest britain mine safety bedroom sky who politely but very firmly grilled claire cottineau on this claim that there was going to be a meat tax which is never going is not happening it was never suggested it made up. It was completely made up. Was beautiful journalism. It was beautiful journalism. It was beautiful journalism. And ive got to say, it was. And ive got to say, sophy a brilliant sophy ridge is a brilliant broadcaster. Give broadcaster. Im going to give it to carol and Kieran Chapman because i like a good news story , is good news. It was such nice one. It was such a nice one. It was such a nice one. How about union . Jack has now how about union . Jack has carol, whos caught your eye today . Carol, whos caught your eye tod well, union jack tonight well, my union jack tonight is the National Trust for tearing kierans tree down and saying you cant plant a tree. There yeah, they did happen. They did . Yes, they did. So they are my union killjoys. Oh , the least of their oh, the least of their crimes. Okay apparently its a unesco World Heritage site, so they are perhaps bound by some rules. But look. How about you, rules. But look. How about you, suzanne . Union jack as well. Suzanne . Union jack as well. I dont think i can beat that, but ill try. Its good to be heckler andrew boff be suella heckler andrew boff because im sorry. Andrew there is thing gender is such a thing as gender ideology and it is destroying childrens lives as succinct as even ever. Even how about you . Last but not least, rebecca. Mine was going to be Robert Jenrick for his surveillance plan. On plan. But im with. Im on the tree now as a National Tree hike now as a National Trust member, i am furious. Yes, im changing my im im changing my vote. Im on nationalthere you go. Well, now there you go. Well, thats got to be the one. Listen, we will absolutely give it to andrew boff because let me tell you, there is such a thing as gender ideology. Suzanne is so thank you to my so right. Thank you to my Brilliant Panel tonight, carol, suzanne and rebecca. Listen, patrick is looking after the shop tomorrow and thursday. Im back for mark dolan tonight, friday, saturday and sunday. Look fonnard to seeing you then. Thanks for your company. Its been really busy five or 6 or been a really busy five or 6 or 7 shows a row. Thanks for 7 shows in a row. Thanks for making me feel welcome. Well making me feel so welcome. Well catch me tell you catch you soon. Let me tell you that is this well that headline is this next well done team. The other side done to the team. The other side of the glass. Again. Im alex burkill hello again. Im alex burkill and heres your latest gb news weather bulletin. We have some pretty wet weather to come across parts through pretty wet weather to come acrc next parts through pretty wet weather to come acrcnext hours. Rtsthrough pretty wet weather to come acrcnext hours. Buthrough pretty wet weather to come acrc next hours. But further the next 24 hours. But further south it is a drier picture and thats because of this area of high thats going to High Pressure thats going to build lead to a quieter build and lead to a quieter spell through the rest spell as we go through the rest of week. For southern areas of the week. For southern areas further north tightly packed further north and tightly packed isobars blustery. Further north and tightly packed isob we blustery. Further north and tightly packed isob we have blustery. Further north and tightly packed isob we have the blustery. Further north and tightly packed isob we have the weatherstery. Further north and tightly packed isob we have the weather system and we have the weather system thats push in as thats going to push in as we go through tonight and into wednesday. Rain wednesday. Some heavy rain affecting particularly western parts through the parts of scotland through the next 24 hours or so. But even some that spreading further some of that spreading further eastwards as going to see eastwards as we are going to see increasing of cloud increasing amounts of cloud across england across parts of england and wales. In the east, where we wales. But in the east, where we have some clear rural have some clear skies, rural spots into spots could just about dip into single figures as we go through wednesday north south wednesday. Then a north south split, cloudy and wet split, quite cloudy and wet across northern areas, across many northern areas, particularly west and southwestern scotland. Southwestern parts of scotland. Here, rainfall totals could build. There could build up. There could be a little bit of localised flooding and also some disruption to travel. Further north across travel. And further north across scotland, going to be scotland, its going to be a showery and a few showery day and also a few showers across parts of england and also some bright, and wales, but also some bright, sunny and with winds a sunny spells and with winds a little bit lighter than they have recently and have been recently and temperatures highs temperatures getting to highs around 9020, it should feel relatively as we go through relatively warm as we go through thursday. Staying largely thursday. Then staying largely dry across more southeastern parts uk. But dry across more southeastern parts uk. But notice some parts of the uk. But notice some wet that will push in wet weather that will push in across parts of Northern Ireland into Northern England and into wales, Northern England and also of scotland. Also across much of scotland. Further wet weather to come, particularly across as particularly across scotland, as we into we go through thursday into friday, but into the south good evening. Youre with gb news. And the top story, the home secretary has warned of a future hurricane of mass migration into the uk. In her speech to the Tory Party Conference in manchester today, Suella Braverman says that as well as stopping Illegal Migrants from coming to the uk , migrants from coming to the uk, she will also make sure that legal migration is held at what she calls reasonable levels. Ms braverman says the only way into the uk is via legal routes. This migration act, which will come into force in the coming months, now means that