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Conference this week. Well, the conference this week. Well, the chancellor today announced plans to freeze the expansion of the Civil Service and reduce its numbers to pre pandemic levels. Numbers to pre pandemic levels. Dufing numbers to pre pandemic levels. During a speech at conservative Party Conference in manchester today , jeremy hunt said it would today, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next year. Meanwhile he also announced tougher benefit sanctions on those who are capable of working but choose not to. And a National Living wage rise to £11 an hour for and liz truss called on the chancellor to cut Corporation Tax from 25 to 19 in his next autumn statement. Speaking at a autumn statement. Speaking at a fringe rally at conference earlier on today, the former Prime Minister urged the tory leadership to axe the tax cut bills and build homes. Her comments came after jeremy hunt told gb news recently no substantial tax cuts were possible. This year. Ms truss said businesses are now choosing not to locate in the uk and they shouldnt be treated like a cash cow. Now a news away from cow. Now a news away from politics for a second. Police force is investigating allegations against the comedian Russell Brand. In a statement, Russell Brand. In a statement, Thames Valley police said its received new information relating to harassment and stalking allegations dating back to 2018. They added it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation. It ongoing investigation. It follows a joint investigation by the sunday times and channel 4 for Russell Brand denies all accusations of criminality. Accusations of criminality. Pretty bad weather tonight. Thunderstorms set to batter the country throughout the evening as well. The met office issuing as well. The met office issuing as well. The met office issuing a yellow weather warning for areas right across the uk, particularly in southern and Central Eastern parts. There are Central Eastern parts. There are currently two dozen flood warnings in place in east anglia and the met office has warned of intense downpours, lightning and gusty winds, downpours expected as well for the rest of the week with yellow storm warnings over parts of the uk until friday. And because of that bad weather, saw a huge fireball was seen in the skies over oxfordshire after a large explosion. If youre watching on television, take a look at this video which has been searching, circulating on social media of the fire lighting up, the night sky erupting after lightning struck a bio gas tank at a Processing Plant north of the city during a storm this evening. Emergency services were immediately deployed to the scene. No reports of any injuries. You reports of any injuries. You with gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on Digital Radio and on your Smart Speaker by saying play gb news. This is britains news channel. Britains news channel. Hello and welcome to headliners. Headliners. Im simon evans joining me tonight to wax lyrical on tuesdays news papers, we have news rappers dj paul cox and mixmaster nick. Nick mc mixmaster, nick dixon. That was tough. They put that into the first passage. Did you write that yourself . Write that yourself . No, i did not. No, i did not. Never seen that before. Never seen that before. Give myself yeah, i dont give myself lots of xs and speak os. Yeah, i wouldnt want to misspeak on the tv. That can go wrong. Wrong. Lets have a look at tuesdays front pages. We have the daily mail to kick us off. Britain is the best country to be black in says kemi. Thats worth an option worth considering. The Guardian Sunak accused of cancelling the future with climbdown over hs2. That is not him pictured there. The sun. Shirley im afraid to leave the house. Dont know which shirley that is. Maybe well come to on that telegraph transgender women to be banned from female wards and liz truss, pictured there laughing as well she might the wounds have healed. The express rishis path to victory by delivering whats best for britain and the daily star skunks done a bunk as usual , an outlier. Those were your front pages as. So firstly, front pages as. S0 firstly, bizarrely , were going to the bizarrely, were going to the guardian rather than the skunk story. Paul i hope theyve got it lined up later. We are. Im not laughing at anything im about to say. Okay. So accused of cancelling so sunak accused of cancelling the cancelling the future with climbdown on hs2. Now this is not something hes actually said yet. This is something that most people, commentators believe that hes going to say within his keynote speech later in the week. And from my perspective, my gut feel has always been on this that a Great Britain would maintain its commitment to deliver hs2. The reason i say thatis deliver hs2. The reason i say that is because im acutely aware that it costs a tremendous amount of money and that its probably not particularly affordable for any government at any point. But ultimately i think that we would we should deliver this in order to connect britain in the best way possible , even for future generations, even if we dont see this ourselves. Simon thats quite interesting , paul, because interesting, paul, because almost panellist and almost every other panellist and every discussion ive had every other discussion ive had about since ive been about hs2 since ive been on this people have been this show, people have been sceptical it. People have sceptical about it. People have joked, why you joked, obviously, why would you want to birmingham in want to get to birmingham in five of five minutes faster . And of course that is a slightly mean spirited joke in many other respects. Birmingham has a history been squished history of having been squished deliberately by westminster over , especially in the 1950s and 60s. I think its economic and Industrial Development was deliberately restrained for the benefit north rather than benefit of the north rather than for the benefit of westminster. So know, so there is a lot of you know, theres generally a of theres generally a lot of cynicism whole cynicism about the whole thing, but equally i also notice people sharing statistics. Now you might have seen these nick suggesting more suggesting just how much more quickly in quickly and efficiently and in expensive that they can build 800 miles of high speed rail in china for instance. And we have to why it expensive here . Yeah, feel like were not yeah, i feel like were not keeping up with china in so ways. Did you see thing the did you see that thing the other chinese other day where the chinese delegate he delegate was just saying he doesnt see britain like doesnt even see britain as like a a serious a serious threat or a serious country . Were in many country . Well, were not in many regards, have regards, although we do have some centres excellence. And regards, although we do have so course tres excellence. And regards, although we do have so course ,es excellence. And regards, although we do have so course , financial. Llence. And regards, although we do have so course , financial. Thece. And of course, financial. The trouble when youre a stand trouble is when youre a stand up tend to end up up comedian, you tend to end up arriving you after arriving places, you know, after dark you get the dark and, you know, you get the worst of it, dont you . Walk worst of it, dont you . You walk from station through from the train station through the precinct, the if i were shopping precinct, you selfishly. I the if i were shopping precinct, you still selfishly. I the if i were shopping precinct, you still sgigs1ly. I the if i were shopping precinct, you still sgigs1ly. Around was still doing gigs all around the like, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 like, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 because like, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 because you, we was still doing gigs all around the hs2 because you cannot get need hs2 because you cannot get anywhere around country. Anywhere around this country. Its thats one its a nightmare. Thats one reason like, im with reason i was like, im done with doing gigs i just doing all those gigs and i just doing all those gigs and i just do in london, so now i do this now in london, so now i dont and selfishly, dont care. And selfishly, i want the 100 billion. A lot want the 100 billion. But a lot of have for of people have said, for instance, tiny instance, you could spend a tiny fraction vastly fraction of that and vastly improve the networks across improve the 5g networks across all the rail lines in the country. And for people who are travelling for business, that would actually make train journeys , you know, journeys, you know, moot. Really . Yeah i think the really . Yeah. Yeah i think the trouble with this is theres there will always be some whataboutery you can take that is an incredible amount of money and you can up and you can, you can come up with amount with an infinite amount of things spend it on. We can things to spend it on. We can clone for instance. We could, we could, we could know could, we could you know we could, we could you know we could to be could just if you wanted to be like in manchester and london, you clone yourself. Thats you could clone yourself. Thats a point. We just infinite. A great point. We just infinite. Simon across the country simon evans across the country which who wouldnt want that but we keep we i think we need to look at britain as a whole rather than britain as a north and south. Do agree with rather than britain as a north and smoving do agree with rather than britain as a north and smoving on, do agree with rather than britain as a north and smoving on, somebody with rather than britain as a north and smoving on, somebody told that. Moving on, somebody told me about the harrowing of the north recently. I hadnt heard about it before. Did you know about it before. Did you know about that . Sounds like of about that . Sounds like game of thrones. William the conqueror is really is terrible. They never really recovered. Is terrible. They never really recov moving to the daily that. Moving on to the daily mail are leading mail. What are they leading with . Theyve got. With . Nick what theyve got. The best country britain is the best country to black says to be black in, says kemi. Is, course, kemi and this is, of course, kemi badenoch, business secretary and weve lot of chat and weve had a lot of chat about race of late because of suella speech, Suella Braverman speech, where she multiculturalism she suggested multiculturalism has although she has failed, although i think she was merkel but was quoting Angela Merkel but theres massive theres been this massive misunderstanding about what multiculturalism and multiculturalism is. And of course its the course, she meant its the failure to integrate. Yes. So failure to integrate. Yes. So you argue theres a pedantic you can argue theres a pedantic point if is it point that if why is it a failure , if its already about failure, if its already about the lack integration . But the lack of integration . But theres misunderstanding theres been a misunderstanding. When she failed, she. When she said failed, she meant not led to any good meant its not led to any good outcomes thats outcomes for society. Thats what i obviously mean. Ideological its a sort of ideological position that if ethnicities are siloed to an extent unnecessarily, instead of assimilating. So theres constant so theres this constant misunderstanding. Kemi here misunderstanding. So kemi here is no, look, this is saying, no, look, this is a conservative. You should be proud of the country rather than ashamed. And thats what conservatives its conservatives want and that its a great place be black and so a great place to be black and so on, people people on, and that people see people not obviously , shes not labels. And obviously, shes done shes and done very well. So shes and lets two things. Lets be honest, two things. One, thats obviously a more positive outlook than i cant achieve anything. So aside from what the facts are for a second, its obviously much better its obviously a much better even if its delusion, lets say its to its a much better delusion to have. Idea of have. And secondly, this idea of multiculturalism,. Multiculturalism, peston says. He quotes this i tell my children, is the best children, this is the best country world to Black Country in the world to be black because see people not because people see people not labelled, said, some labelled, he said, which some will see as a statement that multiculturalism will see as a statement that multiculturalthe failure triumph, not the failure asserted braverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once braverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once again raverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once again isverman, triumph, not the failure asserted once again is arman, and that once again is a complete misunderstanding that braverman said we should be assimilating and kemi saying the same thing. The risks it is to be fair, the risks associated with soundbites, isnt it . Its very hard to use a people might a single word that people might understand and understand differently. And if you the to you dont get the space to explain exactly youre explain exactly what youre trying even sunak trying to say, well, even sunak got a different interpretation of i of it. Absolutely i do know. I want its a good want to know whether its a good country in, country to be black in, regardless youre in regardless of whether youre in manchester, birmingham or london, of course, because that might to be might be maybe you have to be the business secretary. Dont might be maybe you have to be the blweess secretary. Dont might be maybe you have to be the blwe sorry, retary. Dont might be maybe you have to be the blwe sorry, sorry. �. Dont might be maybe you have to be the blwe sorry, sorry. Butont know. We sorry, sorry. But i feel , as youre saying feel like, as youre saying this, often just adding to this, we often just adding to what we often what nick was saying, we often get culture get colour and culture mixed up terribly you can be of terribly because you can be of a culture and be any colour. Yeah. You know, and, and i think thats the point. Birds of a feather will together and feather will flock together and im not sure were essentially kicking ourselves for human nature. Well, its not even just nature. Well, its not even just colour is it . Lot of people colour is it . A lot of people have, that have, for instance, noticed that you get different you get very different educational outcomes at the moment caribbean moment from between caribbean people of caribbean. Recent immigration and nigerian, for instance. You know , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked ou know , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye now , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye t01w , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye to a , so like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye to a lot like to immigration and nigerian, for instnaked eye to a lot of ke to the naked eye to a lot of people, they would be exposed to exactly the same of racism exactly the same level of racism and different and have different outcomes. I think obviously always think there is obviously always that thing we assume that that thing of we assume that its so much better in europe, but really isnt. Mean, but it really isnt. I mean, thats off because but it really isnt. I mean, thats what off because but it really isnt. I mean, thats what were off because but it really isnt. I mean, thats what were told. Jecause but it really isnt. I mean, thats what were told. Yeah,;e thats what were told. Yeah, but but, all thats what were told. Yeah, but but , all of but but, but all kinds of surveys that actually surveys suggest that actually this is, you know, if youre going like this is, you know, if youre goingyou like this is, you know, if youre goingyou seen like this is, you know, if youre goingyou seen sweden like this is, you know, if youre goingyou seen sweden lately {e this is, you know, if youre goingyou seen sweden lately. � this is, you know, if youre goingyou seen sweden lately. I have you seen sweden lately. I havent, and multiculture havent, no. And multiculture nightmare. And thats not just me. Thats. Thats you know, me. Thats. Thats you know, thats not an overexaggeration. They are having tremendous problems there. Yeah. Yeah did you write suella speech . Did you write suella speech . Did you that you wrote Donald Trumps speech in 2016 . Here we see what happened on sweden last night. What is on tuesday night. What is on tuesday telegraph nick oh, the telegraph i oh times the times with paul havent we . Id hate to usurp him. Sorry. Lets go to the times. Thanks for this one. Apologise. Yeah for this one. I apologise. Yeah no apology, simon. No need for the apology, simon. No need for the apology, simon. No pope no problem whatsoever. Pope backs the blessing same sex backs the blessing of same sex marriage. So the pope has given a to the a cautious backing to the blessing of gay unions here for the first time, which i guess is nice. I mean, it doesnt seem it doesnt particularly in doesnt seem particularly in keeping with his religion and his beliefs. But you know, for me, thats not important. I me, thats not important. I think what hes trying is not so important for me. What does stand out for me is it should probably be more important to him. However, you know, i mean , him. However, you know, i mean, what am i to say . I have what am i going to say . I have no gay no problem with gay relationships so relationships and gay unions. So good. Yeah, well, nick, nick is a christian. Lets see he says. Well, the quote that bothered me is apparently said, am well, the quote that bothered ml is apparently said, am well, the quote that bothered m i judge . Rently said, am well, the quote that bothered m i judge . To tly said, am well, the quote that bothered m i judge . To which said, am well, the quote that bothered m i judge . To which s. Reply, am to i judge . To which i reply, the pope. Is that the pope. I mean, is that churlish . Isnt this churlish . I mean, isnt this largely job . Who am i to largely your job . Who am i to speak headlines in speak about the headlines in a light way . Light hearted way . The show i mean, well, thats the show i mean, you had one job pope. You know , you had one job pope. You know, they have been i mean, caught between a rock and a hard place, i guess, for some years now. Overnight the catholic church, obviously, they want to remain relevant. To continue relevant. They want to continue to grow or at least maintain the size of ministry. They are size of their ministry. They are still emerging from one of the worst scandals. It was only worst scandals. It was only about or 15 years wasnt about 10 or 15 years ago, wasnt it, that it finally emerged and they and look as if they have to try and look as if theyre not just like kind of antiquated and hypocritical, the baby the same time, if they baby at the same time, if they if get rid everything , if they get rid of everything, if they get rid of everything, if if wash themselves, if they if they wash themselves, all out, then then people will just say, whats the point at all . Exactly. Point when you have at that point when you have no no to no boundaries and no rules to uphold, point, what uphold, at a certain point, what is of the religion . Is the point of the religion . Thats with thats whats happened with christianity general. The christianity in general. The church of england as well, of course, has watered itself down to nothingness. And to the point of nothingness. And someone think james all someone i think james all described it to me as the labour party so a party at prayer. So thats a good example. Similar good example. And its similar with church. I will with the catholic church. I will also give another point. Peter hitchens also give another point. Peter higay1s also give another point. Peter higay marriage is a kind of of gay marriage is a kind of trap for conservative us because really its a issue really its a minor issue compared decline really its a minor issue co marriage decline really its a minor issue co marriage and decline really its a minor issue co marriage and its decline really its a minor issue co marriage and its used decline really its a minor issue co marriage and its used to line of marriage and its used to trap and make them trap conservatives and make them look and bigoted. Look fusty and bigoted. Remember andrew, you do you remember andrew, you probably andrew probably aware of andrew sullivan, a conservative gay american , and he was pro gay american, and he was pro gay marriage, right. And i think he not initially and but came around and ive been quite interested his of interested to read his sort of commentary. And it has commentary on it. And it has been ovennhelmingly successful for hoped it for the reasons he hoped it would be, that it has brought most i mean, the general trend is that it has brought more conservative, it has brought more homosexual men into the potentially , you know, potentially, you know, conservative flock generally. We all know. I mean, this isnt a catholic thing. But its interesting. I mean, although he always seems like a liberal to me. But i mean, although he always seenis like a liberal to me. But i mean, although he always seenis an a liberal to me. But i mean, although he always seenis an interesting o me. But i mean, although he always seenis an interesting i me. But i mean, although he always seenis an interesting i havebut that is an interesting i have noficed that is an interesting i have noticed and is may be on noticed and this is i may be on very ice here. Very thin ice here. Standby so, you know, standby for cancellation. Noticed cancellation. But i have noticed in from like when in my lifetime from like when i was university, i shared a was left university, i shared a flat in the late 80s, early 90s, which was with a friend ive been with at university who came out as gay about 1989. There were 4 or 5 of us lived there, he started getting out on the gay scene and there it was gay scene and there was it was very obviously gay, do you know what i mean . Like friends what i mean . It was like friends of his would arrive, like to go out wearing silver hot out clubbing wearing silver hot pants or whatever. And it was pretty youd kind of go, wow, you of us had you know, none of us had encountered before. It it encountered that before. It it feels its so much feels to me like its so much less i could be just less like that. I could be just missing it now, just missing it now, but it just feels me like so much of the feels to me like so much of the heat much of the heat has been so much of the kind almost like aggressive, kind of almost like aggressive, you know, are you going to you know, what are you going to do about it . This has been taken out by marriage, by gay out of it by marriage, by gay marriage, made it so marriage, has just made it so much. Much more. Unless youre on a pride march, smooth elision between. March, a smooth elision between. Well, simon, you live in brighton, so ill take word brighton, so ill take your word for it. Yeah. Yeah. And|. Stay yeah. And |. Stay of yeah. And|. Stay of it. And ill stay out of it. And ill stay out of it. Ironically, its a lot more acceptable to come out as homosexual than it is as a conservative or a catholic or a catholic. Yeah what is in tuesdays , nick . Tuesdays telegraph, nick . Oh, the telegraph now. Yeah. Well its transgender women to be banned from female wards, so this is a it sounds like it always sounds like a weird sentence, it . Because sentence, doesnt it . Because transgender famously, transgender women are famously, actually so its health actually men. So its Health Secretary Steve Barclay is pushing against wokery pushing back against wokery as the have started the conservatives have started threatening to do finally and its good though, hes going to bnng its good though, hes going to bring back sex specific language. So the horrors of things like chestfeeding will be replaced the far more replaced with the far more normal breastfeeding , which we normal breastfeeding, which we all carry on. Doctor will be a watchable film yes, exactly. We film again. Yes, exactly. We have to we have to clip it short, im afraid, because its a welcome towards sanity. Short, im afraid, because its a wilcome towards sanity. Short, im afraid, because its a wi agree towards sanity. Short, im afraid, because its a wi agree. Towards sanity. I agree. I agree. Thats the front page. Taken care of. Join us in a moment for care of. Join us in a moment for hs2 , h two h20. See you radio. And welcome back to headliners. So weve looked at the front pages. Lets take a look inside. Further grubbiness ahead. Nick, further grubbiness ahead. Nick, as according to the mirror, we wont be able to afford to wash. Yeah, water bills could rise by huge £150 a year as companies demand more to fix demand more money to fix problems. So the average water problems. So the average water bill will be £7 per month higher rising to £13 per month more by 2030. Not great news there, but Water Companies want to invest around 96 billion between 2025 and 2030 to build ten new reservoirs, cut leaks and my favourite bit stop the equivalent of 6800 olympic swimming of sewage swimming pools worth of sewage spills. Imagine that. Maybe. Maybe. Leah thomas could swim in them, but thats quite a nice butterfly pool. Yeah, but anyway. But at least we have water. Simon i mean, were all struggling with cost of living, but ive heard all sorts of things wars in the things about water wars in the future know, the future and, you know, the resource. So at resource based economy. So at least some water apparently. Our water generally apparently. Mean, our water generally apparently. Mean, drinking er generally apparently. Mean, drinking wise,]enerally apparently. Mean, drinking wise, itserally i mean, drinking wise, its occasionally rivers occasionally swimming in rivers and all that sort of thing would be add on. But be a luxury. And add on. But yeah, we should never forget be a luxury. And add on. But yeahthereshould never forget be a luxury. And add on. But yeahthere areild never forget be a luxury. And add on. But yeahthere are stillzver forget be a luxury. And add on. But yeahthere are stillzver forgin that there are still people in the and the world who have to go and collect big jug on their heads. Yeah, you cant drink it in london because its hard to water fluoride. The you know this. Put it this. Simon you have to put it through and the filters. Get that out, can filters. The get that out, can filters. The hormones. |t out, can filters. The hormones. You t, can filters. The hormones. You can|n filters. The hormones. You can get you . The hormones. You can get fluoride you can fluoride out and you can get 1 or 2 nasties but the or 2 nasties out. But the hormones, youre right. Hormones, i think youre right. I serious issue i mean, it is a serious issue that. You know, i dont that. But, you know, i dont know solution is. Know what the solution is. Quite niche. So lets its quite niche. So lets i will say im not will say i mean, im not belittling for some people that im sure for some people that is like the is a £7 a month is not like the worst shot going be worst shot were going to be experiencing its experiencing in the next. Its not been like by standards not been like by the standards of last year. No, its very of the last year. No, its very difficult. I mean, you know, thats a leading thats a bit of a leading question. And you know, i dont want undermine want to undermine anyones financial predicament, particularly in this in this climate. Not unusual for climate. Its not unusual for bills to go up. Im pretty proficient and experienced proficient and well experienced at. And at no point at paying bills. And at no point have they ever gone down. No. In the 20 odd ive been the 20 odd years ive been paying the 20 odd years ive been paying. What id like to paying them. What id like to see i theres a bit of paying them. What id like to sfmisnomer theres a bit of paying them. What id like to sfmisnomer that eres a bit of paying them. What id like to sfmisnomer that water] bit of paying them. What id like to sfmisnomer that Water Companies a misnomer that Water Companies make a lot of profit. They dont. A huge dont. They have a huge amount of and not of revenue and theres not always deal of profit. I always a great deal of profit. I think was only southern water think it was only southern water last that actually made last year that actually made any profit. Is the profit. I think thames is the biggest they made very biggest and they made very little. However, what id like to reinvestment to see is the reinvestment measured better because what we dont take is dont seem to do is take is measure the benefits that are delivered from the reinvest moment because theyre private companies, i have issue companies, which i have no issue with. To just look at with. We tend to just look at profit a good thing. We profit as a good thing. But we need to reinvest that in a way because leaking more because we are leaking more water than lot because we are leaking more wa countries than lot because we are leaking more wacountries and than lot because we are leaking more wacountries and a than lot because we are leaking more wacountries and a lothan lot because we are leaking more wacountries and a lot of1 lot because we are leaking more wacountries and a lot of sortot of countries and a lot of sort of countries and a lot of sort of poorer countries have actually got. And well always be i mean, i live in i live in southern hampshire and it basically a lot of our water so much water collects there that we just pump it out to other counties because weve got loads. Most of its going into your lush garden. Ive seen it. Yeah. But the water bill is annoying because its lump sum. Its like a largest lump sum. Whatever basically whatever it is, you basically have because have to pay it because its water. Tv water. Its not like the tv licence throw it licence where you just throw it away, right . Its just kidding. Guys, the bbc. Guys, we love the bbc. I had a picture of you doing a bit of trout fishing in that southern hampshire. Ive never or dont live southern hampshire. Ive never or far dont live southern hampshire. Ive never or far there dont live southern hampshire. Ive never or far there. Dont live southern hampshire. Ive never or far there. Idiont live southern hampshire. Ive never or far there. Id lovelive southern hampshire. Ive never or far there. Id love toe too far from there. Id love to do i dont, unfortunately. Do that. I dont, unfortunately. No one do that. I dont, unfortunately. Ncyour one do that. I dont, unfortunately. Ncyour legacies one do that. I dont, unfortunately. Ncyour legacies is one do that. I dont, unfortunately. Ncyour legacies is a one of your great legacies is a river runs through it guardian now paul they are like a pig in muck stuff. Preventative muck on this stuff. Preventative policies aka shaming, scolding a nanny knows best. Yeah im going to read the story and ive got so many views. Ive made so many notes on this. Calls for big increase in i did. Im ridiculously. I know i know ridiculously. I know i know exactly but calls for big increase in uk spending on preventative policies so this is demos which is a think tank. Yeah. A cross party think tank. Um, i hasten to add says that the treasury should create separate spending category to help prioritise measures and prevent problems from arising. And this largely focuses on the covid 19 pandemic and underlined the critical importance of prevention. Now, the best way to prevention. Now, the best way to prevent anything is to understand what caused it in the first place and what caused covid 19 in the first place seems be worlds biggest seems to be the worlds biggest secret moment. We secret at the moment. I mean, we were wet markets. So if were told wet markets. So if its wet markets that caused were told wet markets. So if itsjust wet markets that caused were told wet markets. So if itsjust wet makets that caused were told wet markets. So if itsjust wet ma coupleat caused were told wet markets. So if itsjust wet ma couple of aused were told wet markets. So if itsjust wet ma couple of quid d it, just spend a couple of quid and bloke to clean up and tell the bloke to clean up his its clearly his act. But its clearly it clearly wasnt. Clearly wasnt. It bill gates. No, it was bill gates. No, it was bill gates. Gates. Isnt it it was bill gates. Isnt it something with 5g . Yes something to do with the 5g . Yes yeah, absolutely yeah, youre absolutely right, matthew sweets hand moving towards receiver. But one towards the receiver. But one thing i would say because i dont want to i dont want to i dont want to i dont want to i dont want to of tread into dont want to sort of tread into some sort massive conspiracy some sort of massive conspiracy theory, but theres no point just chucking money at something. To identify something. We have to identify what the root was. Youre what the root cause was. Youre exactly i was annoyed exactly right. And i was annoyed when that when she when i read that when she said the vaccines when i read that when she said the demonstrated vaccines when i read that when she said the demonstrated the vaccines when i read that when she said the demonstrated the efficacy; when i read that when she said the demonstrated the efficacy of had demonstrated the efficacy of and wasnt preventative at and it wasnt preventative at all, we all locked down. We all, we all got locked down. We didnt prevent anything, prevent measures might have been closed. Closed. Im not saying they should, but they could have included closing the airports, closing. Could closing the ports. They could have like not, you have included like not, you know, allowing the as you say, the chinese to you know. But arent they. Yeah sorry. Arent they saying that its because people were obese and so on and their health was already bad . Well, they didnt seem to be. They em ma emu they seem to be talking about the vaccines, which is not preventative. The vaccines, which is not preven had 3. The vaccines, which is not prevenhad e. Vaccine, if shes youve had a vaccine, if shes saying but if saying that. But thats if youre i dont know. Maybe. No, youre right. Think no, youre right. I think i think i she was claiming no, youre right. I think i thas. I she was claiming no, youre right. I think i th as. I vaccine. E was claiming no, youre right. I think i th as. I vaccine. Wow. Claiming no, youre right. I think i thas. I vaccine. Wow. Ilaiming no, youre right. I think i th as. I vaccine. Wow. I justing it as a vaccine. Wow. I just read how i wanted but read it how i wanted to, but i was completely wrong. No, would good well, no, that would be good if you were right. Bring down the yeah because if you were right. Bring down the how yeah because if you were right. Bring down the how preventionecause if you were right. Bring down the how prevention asuse if you were right. Bring down the how prevention as ae thats how i see prevention as a somewhat idea. Thats how i see prevention as a sonitshat idea. Thats how i see prevention as a sonits about idea. Thats how i see prevention as a sonits about personal idea. Its about personal responsibility. Its complex. S responsibility. Its complex. S whereas the top down approach , whereas the top down approach, the big state top down approach much harder prevention. Much harder for prevention. And again, for the and again, going for the smokers thats she smokers. Thats what she also mentions, stop mentions, that we can stop debate. Im sorry, but you debate. Well, im sorry, but you know, done a lot to stop know, theyve done a lot to stop tobacco smoking short of actually making it illegal. Now, there is great more. There is not a great deal more. You do some poor people who you can do some poor people who would. Im sure , would. Absolutely. Im sure, love but find it love to give up, but find it unable, know, perhaps love to give up, but find it unable, them now, perhaps love to give up, but find it unable, them becausehaps love to give up, but find it unable, them because lips love to give up, but find it unable, them because i hate smoking. But then tolkien loved it so it good. It sort of must be good. Make them smoke pipes. Exactly contemplatively talking of shaming, nick, we have jeremy hunt. He wants the work show to reconsider a life spent in a state funded cocoon. Thats one way of looking at it, he says. Mentally ill people could be given stay in work given treatment to stay in work before paid. Thats before benefits are paid. Thats from so hes done from jeremy hunt. So hes done this speech about this at the conservative Party Conference, and some reasonable and he makes some reasonable points. You know, it fair to points. You know, it is fair to make between those make a distinction between those who actively trying to work make a distinction between those who those tively trying to work make a distinction between those who those who y trying to work make a distinction between those who those who arent. | to work make a distinction between those who those who arent. Thatsrk and those who arent. Thats reasonable, but its also and its also true that the definition of Mental Health and Mental Illness has radically expanded. But expanded. Im sure. Yeah, but im this will lead to some im sure this will lead to some inhuman examples that will be found by the media. Theres always there that always examples out there that slip cracks. So slip through the cracks. So there well. And there is that as well. And theres the, theres the vacancies point he makes that we have a million vacancies, but a hundred thousand people on benefits, to set benefits, then you have to set that against of that against the sort of byzantine complexity of the benefits system and the way that it he it doesnt make work pay. He says need society says. Here we need a society where pays , but no ones where work pays, but no ones actually crack to actually managed to crack how to do are. I mean , seemingly there are. I mean, theres the fine grain, theres always the fine grain, isnt it, when you get into it. But there will be, i think a lot of people probably in their 50s or 60s who stopped working dunng or 60s who stopped working during pandemic dont feel during the pandemic dont feel like robust like really that robust mentally. But, you know, might have bit. But theres have been a bit. But theres probably lot of probably like a lot of incentives for to just go, incentives for them to just go, do might do you know what i might just see coast here. Of see if i can coast from here. Of course. Mean, theres course. And i mean, theres a couple here. I think couple of things here. I think whichever way you vote, whichever way you vote, whichever i think whichever way you lean, i think the welfare state is the idea of a welfare state is an and were an important one. And were always and always going to need it. And these welfare these people are on the welfare state, them. And you state, a lot of them. And you can the cows come can argue till the cows come home, nuance is of who home, the nuance is of who should shouldnt work. Should and who shouldnt work. The people simply the facts are some people simply cant. However, one thing that strikes me with these stories is whilst you know , i completely whilst you know, i completely understand and the emphasis behind it, but the way that they go about it, the way that they communicate it, the winning of the hearts and minds goes out the hearts and minds goes out the just open the window. It just leaves open like nick said, youd be able to, know, be able to to, you know, youd be able to pick out something go, well, to, you know, youd be able to pick naboutnething go, well, to, you know, youd be able to pick naboutneth person, go, well, to, you know, youd be able to pick naboutneth person, this well, to, you know, youd be able to pick npoortneth person, this well, to, you know, youd be able to pick npoor person . Rson, this well, to, you know, youd be able to pick npoor person . Here this well, to, you know, youd be able to pick npoor person . Here we;well, poor, poor person . Here we what we need to i think we just need to little more cosy to be a little bit more cosy about we chat about about the way we chat about this. But this is obviously you know, election know, were all in election mode now, theyre now, arent we . And theyre deciding, to sell deciding, are we trying to sell our party to those people who feel that their taxes have gone up, because are up, partly because there are other are just taking other people who are just taking advantage . I think thats what theyre it . Theyre theyre doing, isnt it . Theyre playing the numbers you playing the numbers game. You know, guardian now, paul and the unmistakeable whiff of alt right undertones as government ministers suggest people should. I can barely myself to say i can barely bring myself to say it, more children. Thats it, have more children. Thats a really interesting way. Do you really interesting way. Do you know what didnt strike me straight away . Family we should have children to care for. Have more children to care for. Ageing population minister ageing uk population minister said minister being Robert Jenrick, who is the immigration minister and i dont think Robert Jenrick should be telling many people what to do and i dont think he should telling dont think he should be telling people to have sex essentially and i dont see it was asked. He and i dont see it was asked. He was to be fair. He was asked, wasnt he, by matt goodwin, who wasnt he, by matt goodwin, who was fringe was hosting one of these fringe meetings, like meetings, who is kind of like he understands channel understands populism channel yes, absolutely. I mean, it is a yes, absolutely. I mean, it is a thing. Its like we all know that theres a massive shortfall , all essentially the infertility across the whole of the west. No i mean, sorry, yeah. No i mean, sorry, paul, but to me, he is right. Its just when he says in order to care for the ageing population, its not the greatest enticement , it, have more children , is it, to have more children so after some old so you can look after some old people. Hes right people. But hes right that he says need to encourage people says we need to encourage people domestically to have children, reduce domestically to have children, r i iuce domestically to have children, nliuce with those. And. I agree with all of those. And orban who had ideas about this is becoming more mainstream. It was seen vaguely far was sort of seen as vaguely far right. Peyton right. But now jordan Peyton Stearns talking him, an stearns talking to him, not an extreme the question extreme figure. The question remains you know , remains how to do it. You know, its not quite clear that orban had massive tax breaks, didnt he . I mean, i think if you had five you didnt have to five kids, you didnt have to pay five kids, you didnt have to pay tax ever again or pay income tax ever again or something. Yeah, theres tax something. Yeah, theres tax breaks of doing it. Breaks is one way of doing it. And you come back and but and you come back again that the again to the thing that the tories have been the ones in power at power failing to do this, but at least is acknowledging now that we it well, we do need to do it well, this is i think this is quite interesting, although i we interesting, although i dont we can do it justice. Started but i mean, probably started with idea that on but i mean, probably started witione idea that on but i mean, probably started witione yes, idea that on but i mean, probably started witione yes, thei that on but i mean, probably started witione yes, the tories,n the one hand, yes, the tories, the one hand, yes, the tories, the conservative party, you know, is the party of the family supports traditional infrastructures and the idea that you have a responsibility and thats passed down from father and mother to children and so on. But at the same time, theyre also the party of economic growth, arent they, in the they try the free market . And they try and get everyone to be as economic. Cannot have economic. And you cannot have both. Well, that is a battle emerging conservatism. Both. Well, that is a battle emerging got nservatism. Both. Well, that is a battle emerging got nsefree;m. Both. Well, that is a battle emerging got nsefree market, youve got the free market, the frost, truss the law of frost, the truss thatcherites other thatcherites and the other economic. Yeah, economic nationalists. Yeah, absolutely. Pulling apart. Two things pulling apart. Yeah. Mean , we built an annexe yeah. I mean, we built an annexe in house and moved my in our house and moved my parents in they are feral, parents in and they are feral, so im not going to save our kids in there and thats and thats how we managed to both work. Thats it for part two. Work. Thats it for part two. Join us after the break. We have nobel prizes. We have no phone classes. We have tesla fights. Classes. We have tesla fights. See you in theres help for households. Are you over state pension age . If your weekly income is below £201. 05, or £306. 85 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. Its worth, on average, £3,500 a year, and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus cost of living payments. Listening to news radio. And welcome back to headliner. So the guardian now, to nick, start this half, we have controversial subject mind. Controversial subject mind. There you go. Matthew sweet will be watching very closely to see people in the midlands get that. Thats such an online joke. Hope gets but yeah hope anyone gets that. But yeah , this is scientists work , this is scientists whose work enabled Maher Maaroufe tried three times to say this mrna Covid Vaccine when medicine nobel prize. So this is katalin kanko nobel prize. So this is katalin kariko and professor drew weissman. Actually theyre both professors. Lets get that right. And they share the 11 million swedish chroma prize. Thats £823,000. Wow. And do you know what . I dont know what i can say about this, but its the Actual Technology im sure has potential. But its a pity that potential. But its a pity that it was executed so poorly by governments and big pharma. And so now, as associated with so much misery. But when im not necessarily blaming them and her story karikos catholic caitlin professor caitlin kariko is really interesting. Its growing up in a small town in hungary, having no running water, no refrigerator, television. Refrigerator, no television. Its definitely an oscar winning movie, because they its definitely an oscar winning movithe because they its definitely an oscar winning movithe vaccine. Because they love the vaccine. Great. Know, thats great. And you know, its. Do you its quite interesting. Do you remember the oppenheimer movie, which as which everyone watched as a double with the barbie . But double bill with the barbie . But i this anyway because im i knew this anyway because im slightly like slightly interested in it. Like something half the Something Like half of the Manhattan Project came from poor jewish families in hungary. Many of them went to the same quite small school. Hungary used to have this kind of capacity for somehow turning out extraordinary. Well some people say its hungary. Some people would say would would say it would be the population within hungary. But whatever, good to see them whatever, its good to see them back on the map anyway. Dont back on the map anyway. I dont know whether maybe theyve been quietly doing that, but you know, there is a sort of i mean, youre what youre right. Its what you would it, like an would call it, like an inspirational story. But the fact is, it often is the case that people who make the that the people who make the greatest breakthroughs dont come from particularly wealthy families. Theyre not necessarily legacy scholars at harvard. I thought you were going to say theyre inventions get say that theyre inventions get so badly used. Its like mrna atomic bomb. There is a similarity, not their fault. Yeah, well , what do you yeah, well, what do you think . Sorry, i was going. Oh, theyre going to move on now. Im brilliant. I mean, itd be remiss of me not to say actually, know who actually, as i know someone who has vaccine related has a vaccine related injury that , you know, there are has a vaccine related injury that, you know, there are a growing or a rising number of people that do have these vaccine related injuries. And vaccine related injuries. And im not saying that there isnt damage , collateral damage. Damage, collateral damage. Whenever something whenever you create Something Like this, however, would be like this, however, it would be remiss to them. It remiss not to mention them. It could have been handled better. Again, think that side of it, could have been handled better. Athink think that side of it, could have been handled better. Athink on|ink that side of it, could have been handled better. Athink on balance,side of it, could have been handled better. Athink on balance, probably, i think on balance, probably theyre still a good thing. Son now, paul and eve charges are sparking. Get it sparking rows between drivers should they get the eve . Oh thats the question the eve . Oh thats the question because that sounds a bit like eve as well. Got it. Absolutely lovely punch there. Thank you. Huge weight for ev chargers is sparking furious rows between angry drivers with marshals forced to keep the peace. So forced to keep the peace. So i mean this is just what we call in the profession a little bit of a balls up here. I think whats happened is theres a couple of things going on. There are growing number of people are a growing number of people who electric electric who are buying electric electric vehicles there enough vehicles and there arent enough charging up. In charging points to keep up. In fact, cities and big towns fact, some cities and big towns around the country have zero. I know we a lot of them living know we see a lot of them living in, living in the in, you know, living in the south. Do see a lot, south. We do see a lot, particularly london. I dont particularly in london. I dont see lot live its not see a lot i live in its not nearly i keep nearly enough. No. And i keep saying thinks saying this, brighton thinks its green and yet of its so green and yet loads of people driveways. So, people dont have driveways. So, you it. But the you know, thats it. But the fascinating thing me is that fascinating thing for me is that the grid doesnt have sufficient sufficient capacity to maintain it at the moment to deliver the power we need at the time we need it. Power we need at the time we needit. So power we need at the time we need it. So we are not infrastructurally ready this infrastructurally ready for this. No. Right. I know. And its a big problem. Firstly, cumbria is a complete spot. Could complete black spot. I could have you growing have told you that growing up there, terms of there, but they mean in terms of this. Thats terrible. There, but they mean in terms of this. At thats terrible. There, but they mean in terms of this. At thiup terrible. There, but they mean in terms of this. At thiup tergood old nothing at all. Up in good old cumbria, yorkshire. Cumbria, somerset, yorkshire. And is a rather and then also this is a rather engush and then also this is a rather english sentence. Theres a view in government that rather than provide guarantee provide the power to guarantee sufficient provide the power to guarantee suf should thinking provide the power to guarantee sufshould thinking about provide the power to guarantee suf should thinking about how we should be thinking about how we should be thinking about how we queues. Its just so we manage queues. Its just so ignorant. Ignorant. Managing disappointment since 1947. Talk about prevention. Why talk about prevention. Why not . Why not prevent the thing rather than anyway . I mean, you know, maybe the maybe they need this amount of pressure dam of opinion pressure like a dam of opinion almost like hydroelectric almost like a hydroelectric dam of angriness. It what was wrong with petrol . I liked it. I liked it. It works. It works. Yeah its so phenomenally useful. Petrol, so phenomenally useful. Petrol, isnt it . People have no idea. They have no idea. Ive got hybrid. Petrol and meat. Thats what i had. Yummy you are the clarkson of gb news daily mail. Now, nick and we have to remember to address this story to an audience that might not have memorised every word of mans over already. Word of this mans over already. I have. So word of this mans over already. I have. So this is so. But i have. So this is a University Professor cancelled by p University Professor cancelled by up a faculty of by student sets up a faculty of a common sense rival a common sense at rival institution fightwokeness. Institution to fight wokeness. And is professor eric and this is professor Eric Kaufmann he the channel kaufmann. He was on the channel earlier. On my earlier. Hes also been on my podcast, so podcast, the current thing. So i should an interest. And should declare an interest. And he very smart guy and he is a very smart guy and a good and has left the good guy and he has left the university of politics. He was head of politics at birkbeck and hes now gone to university of birmingham and hes done that in order more free to order to be more free to criticise ideas and criticise progressive ideas and wokeness and so on, because buckingham did you say is it its university of buckingham . Yeah. Which is a buckingham yeah. Which is a private isnt it . Private university, isnt it . Its an unusual one. Its not part same system. Part of the same system. Me tonight, and he said to me tonight, its one of the only in the sort of apparently that there of 181 apparently that there are. The that are. Its the only one that would this. So would be prepared to do this. So its run keep its shocking and is run by keep interrupting interested this its shocking and is run by keep interrujanthonyterested this its shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon this its shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon , this its shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon , who is its shocking and is run by keep interrujanthony seldon , who used run by anthony seldon, who used to be the headmaster of brighton college, school college, famous private school in in brighton, was also tony blairs great biographer and a very sort of strong blairite. But anyway, yeah, well , yeah, but anyway, yeah, well, yeah, you wonder mean is hes you wonder what i mean is hes not institution i university of buckingham. Its not some weird far right like that one in texas, but theyre the only that are theyre the only ones that are prepared countenance prepared to even countenance a different. Different attitude. Felt he was getting so he felt he was getting well. In the article says well. In the article it says cancelled by a thousand he cancelled by a thousand cuts, he had reviews , he had had internal reviews, he had twitter open twitter pylons. He had open letters for having his own letters just for having his own views they and views. One thing they try and get nonsense about get him on is nonsense about identity, some identity, as if hes like some sort of white supremacist. Hes just he just pointed out things like, i apparently the identity in Group Preference has no psychological relation to the outgroup so you can say, outgroup hatred. So you can say, im proud to be irish or something. It doesnt mean you hate something. So hate the welsh or something. So he its like thats hate the welsh or something. So hnkind its like thats hate the welsh or something. So hnkind of its like thats hate the welsh or something. So hnkind of nuanced; like thats hate the welsh or something. So hnkind of nuanced point. Hats hate the welsh or something. So hnkind of nuanced point. Itss a kind of nuanced point. Its quite to get across these quite hard to get across these days, also that. Theres also that. I know whether its one theres also that. His, know whether its one theres also that. His, but know whether its one theres also that. His, but theresrhether its one theres also that. His, but theresrhetitable; one of his, but theres the table which that white which demonstrates that white people least in group people have the least in Group Preference of any race, right . Certainly america and like certainly in america and like most other , like they break them most other, like they break them down or black or asian or down latin or black or asian or whatever , all think of their whatever, all think of their group as best white, white people think that group is not best. But he called i mean, on my podcast he called wokeness an iron radioactive iron fist in a radioactive velvet glove. So you can see why hes hes not you hes not a fan of hes not you know, doesnt on well know, he doesnt get on so well with a like with the woven into a glove like that. I know university of buckingham called false. No, i mean , superb. Just no, i mean, superb. Just listening to you guys talk about this. And ive not listened to the podcast, but i will do on my way home to recommend it, because having read this , it because having read this, it sounds very, very sounds like a very, very sensible mean, know, sensible idea. I mean, you know, it be taken wrong way. It could be taken the wrong way. Faculty sense could faculty for common sense could be some, i dont know. But you could just imagine this environment. At the moment people common sense, people will say common sense, thats bit right wing, but thats a bit right wing, but its well, its not. Is it . You know. Well, his white shift i, i his book, white shift i, i havent it, but i look at his book, white shift i, i heoccasionally, but i look at his book, white shift i, i heoccasionally, blamazon at his book, white shift i, i heoccasionally, blamazon people his book, white shift i, i heotdavidially, blamazon people his book, white shift i, i heotDavid Aaronovitch zon people his book, white shift i, i heotDavid Aaronovitch you people like David Aaronovitch you know, say reading. Its say its essential reading. Its not its not some kind of weird track. Yeah , good luck to track. So yeah, good luck to him. Paul, him. Telegraph now, paul, it sounds last thing sounds like hes the last thing that want is kids that that Teachers Want is kids that are forced notice how good are forced to notice how good they their yes this they are at their jobs. Yes this is a weird one actually, because , ovennhelmingly. Let me , um, ovennhelmingly. Let me read the headline first. We know exactly what talking exactly what im talking about. School will will make School Phone Ban will will make classroom. Claim classroom behaviour worse. Claim teaching unions are Union Leaders have attacked the person. The proposal sorry of claiming could create claiming it could create problems for teachers trying to enforce enforce discipline now enforcing discipline is kind of part of the job as a teacher, but lets park that for a moment because i think we probably all understand, though nick understand, even though nick hasnt not hasnt got children, its not the easiest thing to do. You were a child once that we know of we know of the old of that we know of the old classic. You. But my gut classic. Thank you. But my gut feel that there is a good feel is that there is a good idea to have these idea not to have these distractions within the classroom. Now now i sort of rack my brains on this and say, am i saying that because i didnt and im Old Fashioned in some but no, course not. Some way. But no, of course not. Any distraction of any kind, whether whatever whether that, you know, whatever that be. I agree. It has that might be. I agree. It has to be a bad idea. It seems to me like theyve framed in like theyve framed it in this way, theyre saying way, that theyre saying it will make rather make it worse rather than letting i letting them kids have phones. I think theyre really saying letting them kids have phones. I think needsieyre really saying letting them kids have phones. I think needs to� re really saying letting them kids have phones. I think needs to bereally saying letting them kids have phones. I think needs to be party saying letting them kids have phones. I think needs to be party seanlg is this needs to be part of an integrated that integrated program so that parent s have integrated program so that parents have some more support. There needs to be more help in the to remove and enforce the school to remove and enforce the school to remove and enforce the discipline of them not having you just say having phones. If you just say no phones, but you leave that up to enforce it, to the teachers to enforce it, then theyve got theyve got an extra thats extra job. I think thats roughly going on. Roughly whats going on. Thats more i just thats more generous. I just thought of a wet thought it was a bit of a wet piece. My take is just do whatever birbalsingh whatever Katharine Birbalsingh does at the michaela school. Just i she just copy her. I think she doesnt let them have phones. I could wrong. Her could be wrong. Just copy her because discipline, could be wrong. Just copy her bec less. Discipline, not less. Correct. Need absolutely correct. You need just would do. Just do whatever she would do. She in charge of she should be in charge of everything nick. And everything times now, nick. And the wouldnt let you the reason they wouldnt let you wear your wear that hoodie in your passport picture . Is passport yeah, this is passport database will be used to catch shoplifters burglars. So shoplifters and burglars. So britains passport database of 45 Million People used to catch shoplifters. Burglars car and bike its etcetera. And bike thieves. Its etcetera. And theyre going to put it together with footage. And all with cctv footage. And its all a bit sort of worrying. One a bit sort of worrying. No one loves shoplifters , but its one loves shoplifters, but its one of these things starts with a pack cnsps of these things starts with a pack crisps stolen, pack of crisps being stolen, ends demolition, ends up with demolition, man. You know what i mean . Little bit yeah, its a little bit Chinese State surveillance kind of doesnt remember of doesnt it . I remember when we watched the chinese we when we watched the Chinese State surveillance thing and they cameras could they had the cameras that could identify from their gate, identify people from their gate, like in which they like the manner in which they walk. And that was only 3 or 4 years ago. And we were all going, wow, thats terrifying. Imagine that here. Imagine if they did that here. They that. Well, they could never do that. Well, you we you know, when you say we were watching, it like watching, you make it sound like we out at your got we hung out at your house, got it it was one of the it was when it was one of the first did here. First stories we did here. Anyway come end of anyway weve come to the end of this after the break and this section after the break and the a high male the day on a high male menopause. Male men stop and smaller men sumo those are your three men. Stories coming up after break and welcome back to headliners for the final section telegraph pool for the final section telegraph pool. And hows your male endocrine disruption. Well, endocrine disruption. Well, i appreciate you asking, simon. When are we coming up . When do we be coming . Obscure youtube channel, mens issues. Sorry. Feel i want sorry. I feel like i want to do 90 minute straight do like a 90 minute straight to camera now nhs trust camera lecture. Now nhs trust staff given paid leave for male menopause. So the andropause is menopause. So the andropause is characterised by symptoms of anxiety , depression and weight anxiety, depression and weight gain. They need. They need gain. They need. They need a little golden retriever puppy, dont they . The andropause puppy . Yeah the puns. Youre absolutely smashing in tonight. I mean, i think ive been in the andropause for some time. I mean, i didnt like to say i well, im surprised no one else has reports. I mean, it else has reports. I mean, it says things. I mean, not all this applies me, hasten to this applies to me, i hasten to add, anxiety , depression, add, but anxiety, depression, weight arguably weight gain. I mean, arguably all serious cases, all those do in serious cases, it can lead to erectile dysfunction in man boobs. You dysfunction in man boobs. You know, hot flushes as well as drops in libido and energy levels. This just feels like a direct hit at me. Its middle aged, basically, but you know my story. I found i had that i had i had low testosterone and i now get supplements. Well, no, i get supplements. Well, no, i dont know your story, but i think nick knows. Discussed the we discussed it on the covid thing simon evans thing podcast with simon evans strongly recommend. About 50, i think i was about 50, i think 52, something and was Something Like that. And i was feeling low, know, feeling pretty low, you know, and i got blood test and my and i got a blood test and my testosterone was very low. I had noidea testosterone was very low. I had no idea how long it had been that but i had noticed that low, but i had noticed that id worse for about id been getting worse for about six months. Got medication and well, you got medication and now beat to death with now you beat foxes to death with baseball bats. Its everything. Its growl muggers. Baseball bats. Its everything. They ts growl muggers. Baseball bats. Its everything. They back wl muggers. Baseball bats. Its everything. They back away. Muggers. And they back away. They see Jack Nicholson in wolf. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, wolf. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, its a serious problem. I mean, and men do that if they and men do need that if they have they have that, they need trt, they need strict of need to get on a strict diet of trt andrew videos and trt and andrew tate videos and just pick that testosterone back up you enough tate well, if you get enough tate videos, dont need dont videos, you dont need you dont even kitchen. Videos, you dont need you dont eveyeah, kitchen. Videos, you dont need you dont eveyeah, iwhatn. Videos, you dont need you dont eveyeah, iwhat thats yeah, thats what thats what i it a serious i recommend. But it is a serious thing because it has all those effects and you know, people joke mock it, but joke about it and mock it, but it destroys mens and it it destroys mens mood and it creates health problems. Its usually the irony is its usually caused by domestic its caused by domestic life. Its caused by domestic life. Its caused children, caused once you have children, for , that nature for instance, that nature wants your testosterone to lower so your testosterone to lower so you dont go off and cheat and everything. Then people you dont go off and cheat and ev youring. Then people you dont go off and cheat and ev your family, then people you dont go off and cheat and ev your family, the know, eople in your family, you know, its nice goes down a bit, nice that it goes down a bit, but it goes too far, youre but if it goes too far, youre not there for them. You cant do what not there for them. You cant do whithe other thing is, its just not there for them. You cant do whitijusther thing is, its just not there for them. You cant do whitijust in thing is, its just not there for them. You cant do whitijust in ahing is, its just not there for them. You cant do whitijust in a completelyjust were just in a completely wrong culture just culture for men. Men are just neutered by the entire western society. Physical society. They need more physical threats society. They need more physical thkiits society. They need more physical thr | mean, know, really i mean, you know, a really good a good way of getting a testosterone boost is actually to its weird you to get hit. Its weird you recommended this before. Get a good a slap around the chops. You need to break you dont need to break anything. Yeah , make your anything. But yeah, make your ears ring. I was wondering did i was wondering why you did that just by that to me earlier. Just by anyone. Own good. Anyone. It was for my own good. Amazingly rejuvenate its amazingly rejuvenate thing. Independent now. Thing. Nick. Independent now. And young. None and theyre saying young. None and done. Although i prefer whip it and it. A and done. Although i prefer whip it and it. A great it snippet and tip it. A great band so its vasectomy and british men in their 20s young none and done stop coughing up my punchlines im so sorry that was more of headline than a punchline. But you know, its the same point anyway. And men are getting mean, getting vasectomies. I mean, some people are saying its because of the overturning of roe versus wade would be a bit excessive if got one this excessive if you got one in this country that. Country just because of that. In america, like america, itd be like a solidarity, this america, itd be like a soa iarity, this america, itd be like a soa strange this america, itd be like a soa strange thing this america, itd be like a soa strange thing going this america, itd be like a soa strange thing going around is a strange thing going around on the internet. I dont want to alienate our normal viewers in the country who arent terminally but terminally online like me. But theres of red theres this debate of the red pill world versus the trad con world. These pill men world. And these red pill men are and women actually world. And these red pill men are pearl and women actually world. And these red pill men are pearl antsaying,n actually world. And these red pill men are pearl antsaying, gettually like pearl are saying, get a vasectomy. You know, its just vasectomy. You know, its just foolish to get trapped in sort of child custody battles and alimony. The smart alimony. Just do the smart thing, get a vasectomy. And its kind a weird subculture kind of quite a weird subculture thats emerged. But i would say get some sperm. Mean , thats thats a i mean, thats thats a pretty affordable option. And that a perfectly that really is a perfectly reasonable solution. The question is, are they they , question is, are they are they, though, they say . Because sometimes theyre not reversible . I would the frozen reversible . I would the frozen sperm , frozen sperm, and ideally sperm, frozen sperm, and ideally reversible. Reversible. And then i honestly think its idea because and then i honestly think its right, idea because and then i honestly think its right, dont because and then i honestly think its right, dont want|se and then i honestly think its right, dont want to and then i honestly think its trapped. Dont want to and then i honestly think its trapped. Dont want to and then i honestly think its trapped. Andiont want to and then i honestly think its trapped. Andiont wa even get trapped. And its not even a question of like, maybe theres 1 in 100, maybe 1 in 1000 women would do or just would actually do that. Or just be it just you be careless. But it just you just relax as well , you know . Just relax as well, you know . You know what i mean . Youre not thinking that, which thinking about that, which i thinking about that, which i think make most relations think would make most relations better, think. Better, wouldnt it . I think. Surprise. You were surprise. I didnt know you were going advocate on. Going to advocate full on. , and heres im simon evans, and heres why you should. Because i dont it has because i dont think it has an impact your testosterone an impact on your testosterone right. Still right. Because youre Still Producing yeah producing arent. No. No. Yeah its yeah. Pulls out too. Yeah. Yeah. Pulls out too. Yeah. But where does it go . Where does it when its if where does it go when its if you snipped it doesnt on my medical. Where does it medical expertise. Where does it go if you know. Go in if you know. Have you had one of these. Have you had one of these. I havent had a vasectomy no. At all. No and it feels like a reaction to a problem that only exists for a for a small number of people. I mean , im a big fan of people. I mean, im a big fan of people. I mean, im a big fan of pearl, but when she says like, yeah, she is great. I am pearl, call but pearl, call me. But but when she says things like, you know, get the vasectomy, dont get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap,|y, dont get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap, it dont get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap, it justt get caught in like, you know, get the vasttrap, it just seems aught in the trap, it just seems so cynical me because you can cynical to me because you can still have a happy you can still have happy life, you still have a happy life, you can still there are still out there there are still people out there that life happy that can make your life happy and you can have children. I remember but we you know, i remember our relationship. Wife our early relationship. My wife and i before we decided we did want to have children, then everything, everything changes and its fantastic. But honestly, is quite difficult honestly, it is quite difficult to find. You know, its one of to find. You know, its one of those negotiations because as a couple of people say in there, very interventions very few of the interventions that can use come with, that women can use come with, you know , completely without you know, completely without cost or the pill really can mess with a lot of womens. You know, moods and so on. So i think it i mean, i have no idea how painful and risky it is , but but youre and risky it is, but but youre advocating it to the nation anyway. Dont do it yourself. The symptom is for the telegraph. Now it looks like relaxed rules might put one off your great sporting ambitions within your reach. After. All this was your reach. After. All this was the one i was going to run past. Ill be guessing all evening. Japans sumo wrestlers can now be shorter and skinnier. Get in there short ditches, short ditches. She has sport ditches , ditches. She has sport ditches, strict physical requirements in a bid to reverse lower participation, participation rates. I had a real trouble, but theyre not that tall, are they . Theyre only supposed to be five foot five at the moment, which i suppose japanese maybe is a lot shorter. Still big shorter. I still think the big fat win. Yeah, fat lads are going to win. Yeah, but think the, the point but i think the, the whole point of that there just of this is that there just arent enough people that are interested in sumo interested in doing sumo wrestling. A really wrestling. Its a really rigorous, torturous sport, disciplined sport to get into. Obviously it comes with great prestige in japan , but they go prestige in japan, but they go through an awful lot and you have to drink. A lot of you have to eat stew and drink a lot of beer apparently. Is apparently. And eat rice. It is sad, isnt its a decline of sad, isnt it . Its a decline of everything. Like the one everything. Its like the one group people you actually group of people you actually want fat longer want to be fat no longer will be, everyone is getting be, and everyone else is getting fatter, but very fatter, but its very ritualistic. Ritualistic. Am right . Seem to am i right . I seem to remember was it brian . Remember there was was it brian . Blessed to commentate on blessed used to commentate on it. Or it. Maybe in the 90s or something. Late night on something. I think late night on channel or something. Channel 4 or something. Recollection channel 4 or something. Rec it ection channel 4 or something. Rec it was n channel 4 or something. Rec it was just became it was a and it was just became it was a sort of ironic thing to watch after the pub but there was quite yeah after the pub but there was quitewatched yeah after the pub but there was quitewatched it. Yeah after the pub but there was quitewatched it. Seriously. I watched it. Seriously. Yeah. No ironically, yeah. Lot of talk, there was a lot of talk, isnt there . A big clouds of talc and its amazing. Its beautiful. Well, not its beautiful. Well, not beautiful. Ive to take that back, but you know, you had the honda as well street fighter back, but you know, you had the hi nda as well street fighter back, but you know, you had the hi rememberl street fighter back, but you know, you had the hi rememberl street figwrong. I remember probably the wrong reference. I remember probably the wrong refe maybe could combine it maybe they could combine it with. Maybe we could maybe they could combine it with kind. Maybe we could maybe they could combine it with kind of. Maybe we could maybe they could combine it with kind of. I. Maybe we could maybe they could combine it with kind of. I i. Maybe we could maybe they could combine it with kind of. I i sumo be we could maybe they could combine it with kind of. I i sumo robots. Ould have kind of. I i sumo robots. That could be. And then you could just bulk those without them having to be put in their hearts news hearts at risk. Nick us news in the this woman had an the metro. This woman had an absolute nightmare disney absolute nightmare at disney world, which i to say is world, which i have to say is kind id expect at kind of what id expect at disney world. Know you didnt but yeah, i know you didnt enjoy woman enjoy it. Well, its woman sues disney wedgie enjoy it. Well, its woman sues diswaterslide wedgie enjoy it. Well, its woman sues diswaterslide. Wedgie enjoy it. Well, its woman sues diswaterslide. And wedgie enjoy it. Well, its woman sues diswaterslide. And it wedgie enjoy it. Well, its woman sues diswaterslide. And it feelsedgie enjoy it. Well, its woman sues diswaterslide. And it feels like� on waterslide. And it feels like a story cover in the a tough story to cover in the current but im going a tough story to cover in the cu have but im going a tough story to cover in the cu have crack but im going a tough story to cover in the cu have crack but imcaused to have a crack at it. It caused a it caused it really is. You a it caused it really is. You see the problem already. It caused vaginal lacerations , caused vaginal lacerations, which arent. I know that is the correct that again, i know i didnt really want to do this one. I mean, like carrie or one. I mean, its like carrie or something. Its unbelievably this is she became airborne which she became airborne briefly. Sounds like a good thing, right . Yeah, its thing for yeah, its a good thing for the but, its the paratrooper, but, yeah, its not good. They say the only not so good. They say the only it was very painful anyway. And shes suing for 50,000, and it does sound very bad. And it does does sound very bad. And it does actually sound quite dangerous. Normally health and safety oh, whatever. Health and Safety Culture gone this one does culture gone mad, this one does sound whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her i whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her i dont whether culture gone mad, this one does sound her i dont knowther culture gone mad, this one does sound her i dont know. |er it was her fault, i dont know. But this part take slight but this part i take slight issue because of issue with because because of a womans the of womans anatomy, the risk of a painful wedgie is more common and serious for and more serious than it is for and more serious than it is for a man. Question there, ive a man. Question mark there, ive goti yeah, it could i mean, yeah, it could be quite a man, quite serious for a man, couldnt i dont like couldnt it . But i dont like those things, those massive. Couldnt it . But i dont like tho on. Hings, those massive. Couldnt it . But i dont like tho on hing plus ose massive. Couldnt it . But i dont like tho on. Hingplus side,|assive. Couldnt it . But i dont like tho on. Hingplus side, you ve. Couldnt it . But i dont like tho on. Hingplus side, you you on the plus side, you you might the vasectomy. Might not need the vasectomy. No. But anyway. Sorry, no. Anymore but anyway. Sorry, paul no. Anymore but anyway. Sorry, paul. I know wanted to talk paul. I know you wanted to talk about this one. I absolutely yeah, go on. I absolutely wasnt. I mean , its wasnt. But i mean, its essentially an essentially youre giving an enema arent the is enema, arent you . The water is rushing so fast that it rushing at you, so fast that it disappears up into all the space it can find. Where can i have to do one . Very quickly it can find. Where can i have to do paul. One . Very quickly it can find. Where can i have to do paul. Sorry, very quickly it can find. Where can i have to do paul. Sorry, but quickly it can find. Where can i have to do paul. Sorry, but wevezly it can find. Where can i have to do paul. Sorry, but weve got now, paul. Sorry, but weve got one story. Apologise one more story. Never apologise for just an for that. Its just an opportunity me to say uranus opportunity for me to say uranus is a jumbo. Is is nearly as big as a jumbo. Is it . It . Youve been on the after youve been on the waterslide . Yeah. Yeah. Discovery of jumbos may herald new astronomer an astronomical category, so i nearly fell asleep reading that then. I mean, this is this may appeal to you , simon. I dont appeal to you, simon. I dont know but space for me theres a new category of free floating heavenly object. There is within whats not to love in the orion nebula. Its a long way away. Nebula. Its a long way away. Yeah. Its not going to clash into us. Well, i mean, its. Into us. Well, i mean, its. They say physics says that, you know, these things shouldnt exist. And they do, apparently. Exist. And they do, apparently. But if anyone wants to check them out, they called jupiter. Them out, they called jupiter. Jupiter, mass binary objects and they shorten that to jumbo. So at least theyre not non binary. Thats all ive got. Thats all ive got. Right, lets have a look all right, lets have a look at last time. The at the papers one last time. The show nearly last show is nearly over. One last look tuesdays front pages look at tuesdays front pages before theyre delivered your before theyre delivered to your front britain front door. Daily mail. Britain is country to be black is the best country to be black in, says kemi, and she should know sunak accused know the Guardian Sunak accused of cancelling the future with climbdown over hs2. The sun. Climbdown over hs2. The sun. Shirley im afraid to leave the house. The telegraph transgender women in to be banned from female wards. Liz truss finds that very amusing. The express rishis path to victory by delivering whats best for britain and the daily star skunks done a bunk. We still skunks done a bunk. We still dont know what that means. Those were your front pages. Thats all we have time for. Thank you to guest, paul cox thats all we have time for. Tharnicku to guest, paul cox thats all we have time for. Tharnicku to leo est, paul cox thats all we have time for. Tharnicku to leo kearseul cox thats all we have time for. Tharnicku to leo kearse willyx and nick dixon, leo kearse will be here tomorrow at 11 pm. With josh marks. Ill josh howie and kerry marks. Ill be back on wednesday youre be back on wednesday if youre watching at 5 stay tuned be back on wednesday if youre waibreakfast. 5 stay tuned be back on wednesday if youre waibreakfast. Othennise, tuned for breakfast. Othennise, thank you. Well. Well. Good evening. Im live here in manchester from the conservative Party Conference where it seemed to me what was happening off the main stage on the fringe was even more exciting than what happened on got a great line up on it. Ive got a great line up of guests. Ill be asking the question can the conservatives come back from this and win the next many of their next election . Many of their activists think its activists still think its possible myself. But possible not so sure myself. But before of that, lets before all of that, lets get the news Polly Middlehurst the news with Polly Middlehurst. At nigel. Thank you. Well, the top story tonight is that the Greater Manchester mayor has said axing the northern section of hs2 would be the desperate act of a dying government. That as a number 10 source told gb news that no decisions have as yet been taken. But andy burnham has called on the Prime Minister to end the shambles on hs2 and it follows increased speculation about the rail project future, with a number of government ministers calling for the project to be reviewed due to spiralling costs. The spiralling costs. The chancellor, jeremy hunt, said it shouldnt cost ten times more to build a railway in the uk than it does just across the channel in france. Well, the chancellor in france. Well, the chancellor announced plans to freeze the expansion of the Civil Service today and reduce its numbers to pre pandemic levels. During his speech at the conservative Party Conference in manchester, jeremy hunt said it would save the government £1 billion next year